Episode 122: In Between Spaces!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:47):
your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
You are listening to Dark Becomes Life with Me Heidi Hollis, iHeartRadio, Hey,
Coast to Coast, I am Sarah Normal Podcast Network. Welcome
to my show. Remember each week this is the place
you go see when you want to learn the latest
about what's happening in upology, for googleology, parapsychology, you name it,

(01:28):
it is here. So from Bigfoot to Ailien, Shadow People
to hat Man, tune in and also go to my
main website, which is Shadowfolks dot com or Heidiholis dot
com and tell me your stories, because your stories are
what hit the waves, what really pushes that thumbnail in,

(01:50):
Because how else are we going to learn about what's
going on out there if we're not sharing, if we're
not talking. And in fact, today the program we're going
to be having is all about sharing. I met somebody
named Shane man Corella and Wow, just really got his
stuff together, learning and growing and you know, just somebody

(02:13):
who experienced something and got involved. You know, a lot
of times people feel like not enough people are really
getting into this. You know, they look online and they
find an answer and they're like, oh, well, I'm glad
I got that answer. You know, we used to have
these things called meetings where we'd physically have to drive
and go and sit in a room if we want

(02:34):
to learn about what was going on with the UFOs,
what was going on with the paranormal. But yeah, you
can't sit there and google and find some stuff. So
we're gonna dive into the conversation with Shane and see
see what it is that he found out and why
he got involved the way that he did, got off
of his seat and took a step. That's incredible, and

(02:55):
he's pretty darn cool. So I think you're gonna really
enjoy his conversation. And then some of the things that
he's experienced as well, so that pushed him over the edge. Now. Also,
I want to tell you, guys, don't forget to go
to the outlanderscomic dot com. Follow me at the Outlanders
Comic and also at one Heidi Hollis. You can find

(03:16):
that on Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, I mean, you name it, Instagram.
You will find me there and a lot of people
are always surprised, you know, my goodness, she answered her
her messages there. I do my best, I really do,
and I do my best to answer all the emails
as they come in and put them here on the program,
because again, it's all about growing, learning, sharing, caring, right,

(03:40):
So yeah, do that, do that. And also I have
another website theother F word dot com. It's not a
bad word. It's faith. Faith, that is it, because finding
a lot of people are so bashful to say that
they have any kind of belief in anything. But I
think we all kind of yearn for something, don't we.

(04:01):
I think we all kind of go, gosh, there's gotta
be something more to this this bag of water I am,
and gosh, why do we have that pull? You know?
What's this thing?

Speaker 4 (04:11):
What? You know?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
So I wanted to help people kind of get to
closer understanding that, yeah, we have souls and yeah there
are some negative things out there trying to take advantage
of us, and you know, we got to push back.
We got to get our faith back, not just in
a in God, but in ourselves because there's something to
be said about the human potential. I always say that,

(04:34):
and uh yeah, so check it out, tell me your
thoughts and we'll circle back. Right, we'll circle back. So
you know what, you guys, I wanted to discuss the
UAP Senate hearing that just occurred recently, and boy, oh boy,
you know I heard conversations people were like, oh my gosh,

(04:55):
you know, let's have faith in them because they're they're
saying something. You know, they're the government and it's taking
a step forward and they're actually putting this conversation out there.
I have to tell you, I'm excited that they're having
the conversation as well that they're addressing it in a
public way that they're saying they've dedicated money and effort
and a team to these things. But you know, I'm

(05:18):
just like, if you're going to do this, please please
let's be fully forward and honest about what's coming. I mean,
I know the whole definition UAP, why is that definition
instead of UFO. Well, UAP used to be aero phenomena.
Now it's a nomalist phenomena. And they're saying it's not

(05:40):
necessarily you know, it's not something we've made that the
government has made. It's not something alien either. It's that
in between. It's that private company that somehow made some
kind of technology out there is flying it around and
we're trying to identify who that is. But during the
Senate hearing, doctor Kirkpatrick said, you know, we're there's some details.

(06:05):
There's oh gosh, you had a certain word for it.
There's a hint to some of these things having a
signature that's had a signature of being one of our adversaries,
you know, another a foreign government that might not play nice.
And it's like, okay, i'll give you that. But the
images they showed looked very much like the circular kind

(06:27):
of orb like metallic elements that a lot of people
say there was a probe going by. And you know,
I've known people who have witnessed these things and they
they thought there's a couple of them. Actually they thought
somebody threw a ball through their backyard and it just
zipped by in a perfect line, and it wasn't natural,

(06:49):
wasn't normal. Its about the size of a basketball. These
things have also been seen around crop circles and all
sorts of situations. But the thing that man, I just
I have to take a deep breath on this because
I was really I was disappointed in some things. I
was disappointed because one statement that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick said was,

(07:18):
oh boy, Arrow has found no credible evidence thus far
of extraterrestrial activity off world technology or objects that defy
the known laws of physics. So a lot of people

(07:39):
are like, well, we don't have to worry anymore because
our government's gonna take on all these tasks and we'll
just sit back and wait for them to disseminate. While
I'm like, I think we even have to step harder
forward on these things because I don't think we can
trust the process. I really don't, because this is just

(08:01):
not it's not true. It's not true, and nothing. There's
nothing that's showing alien right, nothing. Okay, so we'll just
drop the whole UFO title and all the people that
have dedicated to their lives. We're standing on the shoulders
of legends who have put everything on the line to

(08:21):
do what they do. And I just I can't I
can't rest knowing that that's it. This is what we
have to depend on. This is it. I've known people
who are threatened by obvious government people or men in
black which don't seem very human beings, to not speak

(08:42):
about their UFO encounters, and then to have these things
called military abductions. Right, I've had them to be interrogated
and questioned about alien beings. Okay, one thing I want
to be clear to For some reason, there's a couple
of people say, oh, oh, you're a part of those

(09:02):
one of those those programs that parents that were in
the military and they volunteered their children to participate in
different studies and whatnot. No, no, no, no, I wasn't
part of that. Even I've heard I've heard about crispers,
you know, also being created in that form, you know,
some some form of manipulation on the DNA genetic level

(09:25):
to perform or be something different than others. No, I
don't have any memories or anything like that either, But
I know there's a lot of people. I've heard there's
thousands of people who recall being dropped off at testing
sites and whatnot, and apparently some of this is searchable online.
Little did I know. But yeah, so I'm not one

(09:46):
of those people. I had my first military abductions or
better yet, they're called my labs am I la bs Okay,
you could google it military abductions. I believe there's a
couple of books on there that out there as well.
Mine started in college. You know, I had a few
of them, and they were not I wasn't tortured, but

(10:12):
there it was a form of torture, I guess you
could say, because I saw what they did with some
beings at one of them, and I'm like, what was
what was that? You know, it's upsetting to this day
to know what they've done to some beings, and I
mean beings that are not grays, reptilians, you know, your
your typical alien beings. I'm talking about a whole slew

(10:32):
of different alien beings. That have a whole different agenda
than experimenting on people. Okay, so maybe a more positive
group of beings, you know. So it's just if our
government is capable of doing these things to people, and
they are and they have and it's on going. If

(10:53):
they're doing this and we're trusting them to come forward
about a move being object in the sky, I just no,
I don't. I don't think that we can fully rely
upon that, we can fully trust that whole conversation, because
if they're not going to come clean about all of it,

(11:15):
don't pretend to be so generous, you know. I'm just
gonna be keep it real, just keeping it real and
being honest because I've been victimized. I've been victimized. There's
many out there who say the same thing. Yeah, so
come forward all the way please, so I can see
in the light and me shine that in your eyes
and tell me your name rank, Yeah, I address phone number.

(11:38):
Let's let's hear it all. So yeah, I wasn't. Yeah,
everybody's always hopeful with these different hearings. And again, I
am glad we're having these conversations, but I'm not going
to put all my money on them being fully honest
and forthcoming. That's just Oh, they've done too much. They've
done too much damage. Guys. I'm I'm gonna keep saying

(12:01):
some prayers. How about that. I'll say some prayers and
we'll all put our good vibes forward that they eventually
will do the right thing, right, Okay, So we'll do that.
So anyways, once again, I mentioned we're gonna have a
fabulous guest coming here after the break, And don't forget
go to Heidihollis dot com or those who can't spell

(12:22):
my name shadow folks dot com. F ol Ks and
tell me your stories. The more details the better. Send
over your photos, send your video, your drawings of whatever
it is the experience, I mean, new death experiences, Jesus encounters,
angel encounters. We cover it all here. No, I am
not a guruin and know it all. No, No, this

(12:45):
is all about looking for patterns, sharing and knowing some
of the patterns and some of the things that I've
personally experienced and trying to shed some light.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
On these things.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
So you guys, I hope you stick around after the
break because it's gonna hit really interesting. You're going to
really enjoy this conversation. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Life with Me, Heidi Hollis on iHeartRadio and Coast to
co Dam Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowns be right back, Welcome back.

(13:31):
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast DAM
Paranormal Podcast Network. As promised, I have a great, great
guest coming to join me today, Shane man Carella. And
he likes to say he's just a guy who had

(13:51):
a crazy paranormal experience and he thought to seek some answers.
And he's using Twitter spaces, which I got to join
him the other day, which was a black asked and
he's also spreading awareness and he considers himself to be
a UFO personality, so he likes to joke a lot
while covering serious topics, which is something that I enjoyed

(14:11):
doing myself. So I'd like to welcome Shane man Corella.
How are you doing today, They're Shane.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'm doing pretty good. Heidi, how are you?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Oh my gosh. You know what, I just got to
know you from the Twitter spaces and I have to
say you've got quite the personality and I love your
gumption for all this. You know, it's like it's like
you're tapped in one hundred percent and it's like no, no,
no fluffy talk. You're just straight to it. So what

(14:39):
got you involved in looking into these things?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah? So, you know, I'm just a regular dude that
had an experience happened to him, Heidi, and I wanted
to find answers to those questions. And I kept watching
YouTube videos and YouTube videos and more YouTube videos, and
I went to the library and read every book I could,
and I wasn't getting any answers. I was just getting
telling me what they think is happening. And so I
figured I'll go on, you know, maybe there's somewhere I

(15:04):
could talk or do something like that. And I made
a Twitter account, found out about spaces, and I figured
and started joining like a UFO Twitter spaces. So wow,
how much I like.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
That, you know, because sometimes people just do what you did,
you know, sit back and look and read on stuff
and not get involved. But you took it upon yourself
to take it an extra step. And I have to
commend you for that because that's one thing that a
lot of people will say. You know, people are lazy
these days. They don't go out to the meetings and whatnot.

(15:34):
And you know, for people that are listening, Shane is
in the middle of a monster thunderstorm and I think
it's a great that's correct. I think it's awesome. I'm like, no,
let's roll with this. This is awesome.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
That's going down. It is like it is like apocalypse
now outside my house.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's so crazy. But yeah, I mean honestly, and I've
had a lot of people who like reach out and
they'll say, tell me everything you know about UFOs. I'm like,
how about googling, how about reading a book? How about
you know? They want me to literally, they'll wait, yeah,
try to explain it to me. It's like, you know,
if you're really passionate, if you really want to find answers,

(16:11):
you get off your duff and you do something about it.
And you you definitely did so I applaud you for that.
So tell me, tell me what was the experience that
you had that got you going.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah. So I've been reading paranormal books and things like
that for a long time. I've never had anything happen
to me. Though I've lived in I've lived in the
same house for twenty nine years. And I mean i'd left,
of course, but my mother had gotten sick and I
came back to my childhood home and her last year
of living. I stayed there with her the whole time
and took care of her, you know, like a good

(16:45):
son would do. And unfortunately she passed away. Yeah, and
that's terrible, my mom. Oh yeah, it was. You know,
it hit me really hard in ways that that it's
hard to talk about sometimes, but you know, it has
a big it's a it's a big deal. It's a
big part of my story. So the day of her funeral,
after I place my mother in the ground, I'm driving
home and my best friend, who doesn't like funerals and

(17:08):
stuff and really love my mom, he couldn't be agreer
to do it. So he stay at the house and
get the house ready for you know, the afterparty and everything.
He's walking down the road and I pull over. I'm like, hey,
what are you doing, man, what's going on? Why aren't
you at the house And he's like, there are red
streaks of light flying through your home. I'm like, like,
it's on fire or you know, what are you talking about.
He's like, no, red balls of light are luminescing around
your house. I'm like, okay, that's weird. Wow, I'll take

(17:31):
you home. Yeah, I was like, i'll take you home.
So I'll take him home and I come back and
then I have probably sixty ish people in my house
that day, just all high energy. Everyone's mixed up energy.
And the reason why I mentioned this is nothing happened then, right,
So everybody leaves and I'm sitting in the back room
of my house on my laptop playing up. I remember
what I was playing. I was on discord playing some
of my friends and I heard this just jingling noise,

(17:52):
just and I turn around and like three feet from
me is this big old curio cabinet and it has
four glass wind on it, this real and antique, and
it had this brass key that went in the lock.
And but it wasn't the right brass key because I
had broke to the original one and I switched it
out from the other carreo cab in the back of
the house. And my mom wouldn't notice. It doesn't matter
how old you are. You don't want to get you know,

(18:13):
you don't let your mom found out you broke her antiques. No, right,
and so I I'm sitting there watching this key just
with no explanation jiggle in this lock, and I'm like,
is there an earthquake? Nothing else is moving, and so
it since stops jiggling and starts turning. And remember this

(18:33):
wasn't the correct key for that lock at all, but
it turns and unlocks the door. But you and you could,
you could unlock it with that key, but you had
to really finangle with it. So the door opens catches
on these brass catches, and I'm sitting here like I'm
on discord with my friends. I'm like, you know, like, hey, guys,
this is I'm watching it. Something paranormal happen right now,
Like I straight up, this is what I said. And

(18:54):
they're like, no way, dude. I'm like yep. And I'm
just staring at it and looking at my dog, looking
at this lock. And the door just swings open. And
there were four glass shelves and on the third to
the top shelf, I had Dragon ball Z the action
figures and I'm a super nerd. I love anime, and
you know, I had the whole line up. There's these
big lead figurines and I had this toy Yarcy helicopter
my dad had given. My dad passed away when I

(19:16):
was thirteen, so I'd had this helicopter for a long time.
Never flew, the wires were cut on it and everything,
but it was something my dad gave me, so I
kept in this cabinet. I watched this helicopter lift up
and levitate out of this curio cabinet and then it
just levitates across this room.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
So I got good pumps. Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
And when I say slowly, I mean slowly, just like
it's so I don't say it. That's why I say.
It didn't fly like the blades. The blades weren't spinning nothing,
and it just ever so gently just sails across this room.
And then it just sat down, also ever so gently,
just on the ground up and I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
And then all of a sudden, I just see, you know,

(19:58):
like I'm just making the noise because it just happened
right in front of me, and these six red balls
of red light manifested into me in like a carousel.
And then I'm just at this point, I'm like whoa,
you know, like I don't know what to do, not moving,
and then they just spin in a circle and they disappear.
And the lights when they spun in a circle, they
did they didn't form into one light. They all stayed individual.

(20:21):
And then that was it. And after that werewolves are real,
vampires are real. It's all real. Man. After seeing that,
I can't write any of it off right.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
So when you talk about the balls of light, they
were in front of you or going around you.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
No, they were directly. They were like between me and
that cabinet, so like a foot and a half away.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Oh man, I mean that's like a whole combination of
things like I've never even quite heard of in one
story that the red balls. I mean, that's not common.
I mean, where have you ever heard of that?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I the only case I've ever heard of, and I've
looked at this extensively, and I've spoken with the person
in the case. It was Jackie Hernandez from the San
Pedro Haunting, and she has some of the best pictures
of balls of light or plasma balls that I've ever seen.
And I met her in a you just me watching
every video on YouTube. I met her in a chat
and she had just commented and I said, are you

(21:14):
the Jackie Hernandez and she said, yes, that's me. And
I met her up on a call like we're doing
right now and talk to her about it, and she
described the same gelatinous balls of light and they were
just like these jelly balls of plasmic light. I don't
really know how else to describe it. It was this
deep crimson red, but not like an angry red if

(21:35):
I guess. I didn't feel fear. I just felt like,
why is there floating balls of plasmic light in front
of my face?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, I'm trying to imagine it. Did they keep
like a perfectly spherical form, like solid or did it
kind of warp?

Speaker 4 (21:47):
They were? They were like the jelly oh like like
they were They looked like jelly, like slime monster things
but were But they were obviously light, So I just
assume they're plasma just because it was light.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And how many of we're there? Do you think?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Six? Six?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
What do you think? That is really odd? I'm like
searching my mind. I don't know of any story like that.
I really don't.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, So I always tell people that on a scale
of one to ten, I put it at like a
seven point five on the paranormal scale, like an eight
would be a full apparition, which I would have jumped
out the window and like a ten would be you
walked into a full on ghost ballroom dance. And you
know it was crazy, Holly. But I'm really thankful for
it because I know, no matter what anyone tells me.

(22:31):
You know, I talked to Mike West all the time.
I've told him my story, and you know, it doesn't
matter if you tell me that you know that this
stuff isn't real. Something's happening, something supernatural is occurring to
regular people like me.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Oh gosh. And you know I got to tell you too,
because he said, Holly, we were just talking about one
of your friends, Holly, and I get called that all
the time, so.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh my god, did again Heidi?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, it happens a lot.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
I mean it happens to her too.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Oh really they bled my firstes.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
She got called Heidi this morning.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Really, I love it. It's funny. It's like some people get,
you know, offended. I'm like, oh, that's hilarious. Whatever I
get into emails, even people are right it.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I get called Sean all the time in real life, so.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Ah, yeah, there you go. But you know what I'm like, wondering, Uh,
what's your like heart and soul?

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Man?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I love that thunder what's your heart and soul? Telling
you what that was all about? I mean, you had
to search your your mind on that one.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah. So I'm gonna be honest with you. As soon
as it happened, I stood up and I said, Mama,
go be with Daddy. I got this. It'll be okay
and beautiful. Yeah. Cool. And then but but then after
when I woke up, you know, and I really tried to,
like I try to do a systems check when I
wake up in the morning, and I've been doing that

(23:48):
for a long time. And and I thought, I need
to think about that because what I saw was not
something that should ever been seen by you know, I'm
not You're not told any of this is real. You're
told it's all just fake. And I told myself a
long time ago, if I ever saw anything paranormal, I
wouldn't run from it, and if I ever did, it's
all real. And so I sat there and I thought
to myself, I said, why would my mom come back
and do that? You know, like more or less, like

(24:09):
maybe something was feeding off the energy of all the
people in my house, the sad people, the happy people,
the really really angry people that the people who were
just like kind of numb. And I figure, if if
any house had no house in that and within fifty miles,
it probably had as much emotion going on in my house.
So I imagine if you were some type of transient being
or something that fed off of emotion. And I don't

(24:30):
know why, I think this was just how I placed
it together, my house would have lit up like fourth
of July, like if you looked at an aerial view,
you would have just my house would have been glowing, right. Yeah,
So I spent that morning, you know, cursing God in
the church, you know, just asking why did you take
my mom from me? Why? Like screaming. But they had
to pulled me out of there, and so it was
a I mean, honestly, it was a heavy emotional day.
I mean it was absolutely bonkers. So I've never felt

(24:53):
emotion like that again or since.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
So, Wow, you needed that, You needed that? Fine like that?
You know what, We're gonna get to our next break.
You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Tidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back.

(25:31):
Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to
Coast AM Perranormal Podcast Network. So I have Shane here
who is sharing one of the most incredible paranormal almost
sounding u AFO connected type of experience. But you absolutely

(25:53):
recognized it was your mom perhaps meeting with your father.
Is that what you were saying.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Honestly, Holly, uh to be to be real with you.
So there's some like misconceptions with it. I thought at
the time that it was my mother, but I think
afterwards it was some type of like force that was
feeding off of the of the emotion, like like shadow
people like something was there, and I think that it
it did something because like the house, This is the

(26:22):
part that gets weird is the house. Like people wouldn't
come and I would tell I told a lot of
people about this, like you know when you have something
you're screaming everybody like I saw this, I saw this.
They don't believe you, and I like people wouldn't come
inside the house anymore. They would like bring me something
to eat and they would not walk through that. They
would walk in the garage, but they would not come
in the door at all. And my aunt was really spiritual,
and she was like, it's just randomly and she didn't

(26:42):
even know about the story. She's like, I'm not coming
in there. Something's really weird about your house. And there
was this weird like like my really long hallway, and
it would give me like weird sketchy feelings and stuff.
But I never saw anything else in the house the
rest of the time I was there. Was in there
for about seven more months, but there was this weird
feeling of just it wasn't the same anymore. If that
makes sense, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
It does. You know, of course, when I hear red lights,
I think of the red eyes of shadow people, and
you know, I've not heard of six gelatinous balls of
light that are red like that spinning around. But what
made you say to your mom, you know, go be
with daddy. I mean, what was that trigger? What do

(27:23):
you think that was about?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
That? That's the weird part, because it just came right out.
I think it was just grief. And you know, I've
talked to a lot of people about this phenomenon that's occurring,
and unfortunately through my research since then, I've tried, I
tried and try every day to get less and less ignorant,
and I try to hear what other people have had
happened to them and as you in you, Holly, or
how do you get more than probably anybody when it
comes to shadow people phenomenon, and you hear from people

(27:45):
all the time and it's terrifying, right a lot of
the time. And I've talked to I've talked to a
lot like Stephen Mira, Carl the Crusher, Chris Bartel, Brain
and Fugel. I've talked to a lot of the guys
that are dealing with like transient phenomenon, and it's it
doesn't seem to be that it's going to do anything
for your benefit. It might trick you, in my opinion,
that's for your benefit. But so far, I haven't seen
any love and light. That's uh. You know a lot

(28:06):
of people preach this love and light stuff, but I'm
not seeing it. I'm seeing something that was feeding off
of me because I you know, this was weird. Yeah,
I think it was a reflex thing. It might eve
even like it might have even tricked me into thinking
it was my mom. Like I literally, I've seen nothing
that would convince me like I want to think that
when my mother left, When my sweet mother left this earth,
when I held her hand listening to Johnny Cash in
that hospital that night, when she left, I want to

(28:29):
I want to think to myself that she deserved to
just go on and be free from this planet. She
doesn't need to worry about me. I'm a grown man,
I'm her son. She raised me. Why would she need
to come back and show me anything? Like I would
hope that if there's a god or a force, that
it took her and let her be free and to
go on her next mission, whatever that is. That's what
I want for my mother to go and experience what

(28:49):
you can only experience after you leave this plane. She
doesn't need to come back and worry about me. So
that's my take on that.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, you know what I got. I got something to
share with you then too. Because my mother passed when
I was seven, and we didn't have any issues coming on.
I appreciate it. We didn't have any issues going on
or anything like that. As soon as she passed, our
house became haunted. But you know, I'm seven years old.
My sister's five. You know, she's got young kids in
the house. What why would she come and haunt us?

(29:18):
You know what mother would want to do such a thing,
and you know, people are like, well, And we also
had where my grandmother started to come to the house,
stopped at the threshold and said, I am not coming
in this house. Something's weird. So I mean, I'm getting
goosebumps while you're talking because it's like a flashback. And
that's when I didn't know it then, but shadow people

(29:40):
were absolutely the ones infiltrating and it took me such
a long time to know, you know, because I didn't
come up with shadow people as a seven year old.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
It was when I was in college and my stepbrother
got attacked by something black with glowing red eyes, and
I'm like, there's the sign.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know, And there it is, yep.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And I tell people, I'm like, look, when mom's protective
love left, something dark came to feed and take advantage.
And that's what you put that together. I mean, it's
brilliant because absolutely that's what it sounds like to me.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, I think that when you have an experience, you know,
it's really bad for kids because they don't have the
cognitive ability that the problem solving abilities. You're not old
enough yet. If they do, they're very ahead, right, And
I think it's important to when you see anything crazy
or weird and paranormal, right, you know, be a little
bit of Mick West, be a little bit of these guys,
sit back for a second and kind of think about

(30:34):
what happened and seek the answers, look at both sides
of the coin. It's you know, I think very rarely
it's going to be the first thing that comes into
your mind. That's just a rush decision. And so there's
nothing wrong with doing research and trying to figure out yourself.
I'll probably never know what happened. But through my talks
with with like Carl the Krusher for instance, Like he
talks about the Native American aspect a lot, know when

(30:56):
his YouTube channel is fantastic, and his videos got me
through a lot of hard times. And so I've been
studying that a lot lately. And when you talk when
you hear the Natives talk about this kind of stuff,
it's either it's really not even really that good either,
you know, it's either you know, it's some type of
transient like like force that it's like a vampire, like
like an emotional vampire. And I don't know how it

(31:17):
manifests itself for what it's doing, but I think a
lot of the answers lied with the Native people. So
that's my next thing that I'm going to be researching
as hard as I can is U is the Native people,
the natives of North America, and you know, show them respect.
I wasn't raised with any of that knowledge at all.
I never got to go to a reservation, never got
to do anything. So I figured, there's all these people
that have lived here for a thousands of years. I
live here. It happened to me here. Maybe ask them

(31:38):
about it, right, So that's that's my next mission.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
No, I like it. You know you're you go about
this methodically and sensibly too. You know, like a lot
of people, of course, when they lose somebody, they they
go through the knee jerk reaction of emotion. But you
did that, but then you took a step back as
I called on, hold on, there's other pieces going on here,
and you know you expect us yourself. So clearly I
find that rather unique, uh with you, And I'm glad,

(32:05):
glad to hear that you're you're joining in the the
research element because you know, this is how we find
answers that nobody has all of them all we can
do it. It's together, Yeah, and just work together and
respect each other and that's uh, that's half the battle
right there. And always keeping your ears the public. And
that's another cool aspect that I like about your your

(32:27):
your Twitter, your Twitter Extraterrestrial Explorers on clave. I mean,
that's that's awesome. I mean, so you have these these
conversations and tell us a little bit about how that
goes for you and anybody that'd be interested in go
and check it out.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yeah. So if you don't know about Twitter spaces, you should,
especially if you love youupology, if you want to come
talk to Heidi season there sometimes. Uh you know, uh,
they're they're great, They're so great. You I've met so
many wonderful people. And when it comes to UFOs, it
comes to UFO Twitter, you have different greens of people,
right but the people that come into the spaces and

(33:02):
especially the ones that talk and listen, they they are
there because they're either super super curious or there or
they've had something happen to them and I cannot tell
you how many times I've been hosting a room and
we've had I've had literally special guests in there and
like alien Girl won one one from YouTube or you know,
we try to boost up everybody, you know, get carry
everybody to the top together and uh, and then someone

(33:23):
will just come.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
In and be like hey, hey guys, and we're like, hey,
how you doing? Like I'm not doing verty good. I'm
my kids are terrified. I'm terrified. We don't know what's
going on. Is there any way can you tell me
what's happening? And it hurts my heart? Heidi, I say no,
I can't. I wish, I wish.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I wish so bad, every every part of me, which
is so bad, Like I get emotional about it because
you know, there's people out here just getting terrified. They
don't know what's happening to them. They're just trying to
live their lives, and they come in these rooms and
but what you can do is do solid, good research
and point them in that direction so they don't end up,
you know, in like the David Wilcoxes and things like that. Right,
So actual research and actual science and and actual like

(34:00):
teachings and you know, whatever it is, that's it's at
least helpful, you know, you know what I mean, Like,
I can't tell them what's happening. I can't tell them
why plates are lifting levitating across their room, or I
can't tell them while they're having this horrible dreams or
something's attacking them. But what I can do is try
to give them the sources that I've vetted myself and
if they trust me and maybe it'll help. Right, That's
that's like the best we can offer. And if anyone
says they can offer more than that, I think they're lying.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know what. I don't know what you're talking about.
You get those emails in the middle of the night,
as I do for myself, and I'm sitting there, you know,
tears come down. I'm like, you know, especially when it
comes to the kids that are experiencing things and oh yeah,
and it's like, man, you know, you just you wish
you could fully reach out and go sit down there
and have a cup of coffee or something with them
and say, look, I get it, you know, let's let's

(34:44):
try to put our heads together over.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You wish you could just bust into their house with
a proton pack from Ghostbusters and start firing it off.
But you can't, you know, like that's I have a
Ghostbuster's tattoo in my right arm. I've had it long
before any of this happened to me. I love that
I addressed with the Ghostbuster a kid. But if there was
a way that I could put on put on pro Compact,
kick the door, and I would. But unfortunately we're not
there yet. Hopefully one day, yeah, one day.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Well, you know what, I believe in the power of
prayer and you can send that anywhere.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
So that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
So you've had an interest in these topics for a
long time beyond or was it just for entertainment?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
It was just it was simply for entertainment. I you know,
I used to watch Ancient Aliens with a friend of
mine and I would just laugh and laugh and laugh.
Ancient Aliens is funny even to me now, especially now
that I know a lot more. But there's still a
lot of real stuff on there, you know, ancient archaeology.
It fascinates me. I have a big love for the
Arc of the Covenant. I think, you know, it's real.
I think it still exists, you know, it's just like
all things that this is like my side hobby from

(35:38):
Theuofology writers with the Arc Covenant. It's a big joke,
you know. Me, I have a Walrus profile picture and
I change it all the time. Yeah, and my friend
Official tyf Tastic, she makes my Walruses for me. And
there's always an ark of the Covenant in the background
every time. And I try to keep it funny. You
try to keep it light. But when people come in
or we start talking seriously, you know, I do like

(35:59):
I go for or I don't sugarcoat anything, tell you
how I think it, what I feel, how I feel
about it, and just try to steer people in a
direction of their own self research. Really, but I think
spaces offer that, you know, you can come in have
a conversation. Yes, someone's gonna come up and tell you
about the Anonachy or the Nephiline, which if you've been
in eupology forever and you've heard all of that one
hundred times over, and when it comes to the Antonochy,

(36:20):
I say, showed me what tablet their Antonochy you're on.
But that's a totally different argument. But but that being said,
you can still listen to them and try to grow.
There have been many, many times where I have been
off and someone has helped me find the right path
because you have to be open to that. You believe
in you in what your research, and put your foot down.
But don't be believed so hard that you can't grow.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of strange ego out
there in these odd fields. I mean, you would think that,
you know, and we got enough people against us, we'd
all shake hands across the board, you know, from paranormal, cryptozoological,
you know, upology. But no, no, no, there's a lot
of competition for some reason. I'm like, I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
It's like, let's see, yeah, you know, you got these
guys go into these conventions making you know, all this
money and stuff, and they're just they're rehashing stories from
people that are in my spaces. You know what I mean,
you know what you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I do, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
It's it's bull crap. You know, we have people coming
in here that have they'll tell you, like, you know,
you'll meet people in spaces that you know, people hold
up these heroes and upology, and there are a lot
of good heroes in there, Richard Dolan, like, Carl's a
big one of mine, Carl the Crusher, And they're great people.
But when you get to talk to the just regular people,
right so, it doesn't make them any different than the

(37:31):
people that join my spaces, right so, and especially when
they're seeking answers and you're like, okay, well, you know,
Stafe came around and learn and listen and talk and
you know, and it's great. I love it. I love
spaces so much.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Well, we got to get to our next break. You guys,
you are listening to Darkly Comes Late with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to dark

(38:06):
to Come Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart
Radio and Coast to Coast i AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
All right, well, we are having a good time here.
We're speaking with Shane Mancrella and you know, we just
had a recent UAP Senate hearing and I know that

(38:27):
you're absolutely got your thumb on it, and I want
to hear what your thoughts are and what they're discussing
out there in the.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Spaces yeah, so I'm getting a bit of So as
far as the spaces go, I'm getting a lot of
people that are upset. A lot of some people are
like apathetic about it. It's just a mixed bag and
everyone's like, yo. You know, they showed that that org video,
the bet sphere video or the Moses sphere, whatever we

(38:53):
want to call it, and it was cool. You know,
I didn't expect anything from it. I mean, they've been
doing this for what eighty years? They Georgia Damski went
before the Senate and you know, you got a dude
out here, like if you follow the dam damp skiin narrative,
he was literally talking to Venusians every day and nothing
happened then, So I mean, I don't know what's gonna
happen now. Honestly, I like the data that they came
out with where it showed where where the UAPs were

(39:15):
in the world. But then I questioned why the Panama
Canal wasn't on there, and I look at it, Hi,
I'm like, well, that's weird, you know, because all of
South America is supposedly just if you listen to Mulsan,
they're just filled with euphos, right, although Misson's a whole
different bag. But uh, it's that was kind of odd.
And I think if you know Kirkpatrick, you know, we
don't know a lot about him. I don't specifically because

(39:36):
the political side of it, I've just kind of given
up on. I love I like Stephen Bassett because he
gets mad about it. And there's you know, there's a
guy named Brian Johnson that does spaces and and he'll
go on and on politically, So if I need that fix,
I'll go listen to him and get caught up. But
for me personally, someone who has had an experience and
talks to people who've had experiences all day, I don't
think like the government, especially with the way the world.

(39:58):
The world is going now, so we could possibly go
be going to war with other countries, you know, China,
God forbid, God forbid. But why would you wheel out
like this extravagant technology when there's still all this war
going on. You're never going to pull that out because
then your your enemies are going to do that, and
there's no reason to do that, you know. And as
far as the United States is concerned, you know, we

(40:20):
had the SR seventy one Blackbird in nineteen sixty three.
In the sixties, it flew twenty two hundred miles an hour.
And then you know, the stuff that we see now,
I'm convinced is there's way more advanced craft that we've
made just from mankind. They're not going to show you
that either. So they're definitely not going to show you
the aliens, right.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Right, right right. You know, my father was in the
Air Force and he said, let me tell you anything
that you see the government or military has released that
it's at least twenty years old, at the minimum twenty
years old. He's like, they've got so much stuff you
just wouldn't believe it. But you know, at the hearing,
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick said, you know, has found no credible

(41:01):
evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity off world technology or
objects that defy the known laws of physics. And I
beg to differ. And you know, a lot of people
are putting a lot of stake and trust into our
government gonna do the right thing when it comes to this,
And I'm like, right there, that statement right there tells

(41:21):
you they are not going to come clean. I mean,
how'd you feel about that when he said.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
That, Yeah, so Kirkpatrick especially isn't going to tell you anything.
I mean, they're just not. They're just not. And you
know one day they're gonna get it for line under
oath so much. But a Liza lie whether you put
your hand on a book or not. You know, if
you don't care about that book, you're just gonna lie
thro your teeth anyway. If you know, if your bosses
are telling you, if you say one single thing, it's

(41:48):
over for you body, no pension, no nothing, You're not
going to say anything. You're gonna keep your mouth shut
and say we've had no signs of this. We need
more money. We always need more money. We need more money,
We need more money. You know, Bigelow needed more money
for skim Walker Ranch and Chris Bartel wandered out there
by himself half the time trying to you know, take
on the you know, twenty two million dollars and they

(42:08):
went straight to scientist's pockets. It didn't go any too
any research out there. And that's why Figel has inherited
such a nasty problem with that Ranch is you know,
he got no information from Bigelow at all, whatsoever. All
they got was Bartel and that's the whole thing about
this government aspect. Man, Like how put off Kit Green
and these guys. You know they did the remote viewing,
started remote viewing and all that. That's great, they also

(42:31):
did some really shady stuff behind the scenes, and the
government doesn't in my opinion, we're just the people that
are here. They think they're the ones doing everything they
are because we let them. I don't know what we're
gonna do, Heidi, I really don't, But what I think
at least should happen is people if you have something

(42:51):
happened to you, because it's hard if you don't. It's
hard if you don't have any skin in the game.
It really is. And God God bless the people that
haven't had any experience but still try to believe people
when they say they do, because we need more of that.
Not to believe everybody blindly, but at least to be open.
And you're gonna have to do your own research. And
you know, if you can say I get a vacation,
maybe go out for a weekend somewhere, you know, call

(43:13):
Carl the Crusher and go out on a trip with
him and see the native land and see see the
Petrick lifts, and and learn, or go to a reservation
and just learn from the elders and learn about their
aspect of the land. Right, So the government isn't gonna
tell you anything, especially on the brink of war. There's
no way there's already a war going on. So they're
not gonna they're not gonna sell it, they're not gonna
say anything. I just Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrick, especially because he's he's

(43:36):
so mixed into everything. He's mixed into skinwalk, a ranch,
he's mixed into everything. I just don't think he's gonna
say anything, you know. And he's got all these whistleblowers,
uh there, So you know, my friend Thomas Thompson. Uh,
Thomas Thompson said, uh, you know, the whistleblowers are coming in,
you know what, I hope, so we'll see.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, but you know, I've heard the other end of that.
It's like, yeah, whistle blowers come step forward all of
a sudden, they're going to lose all their credentials, of
their credibility, you know, and have a lot of unfortunate luck.
So there's a I don't know, it's like hard to
trust the whole thing. And I'm all about the people
the grassroots people that have been really sticking their necks

(44:15):
out there for so long. I trust them more than
I trust these former agents that are suddenly finding a
voice in this field that they poo pooed for so long.
So it's it's hard, it's really hard to trust. I'm
glad the conversation's happening, I can't say that I'm not.
I'm very glad about that. But you know, if you're
going to take a step forward, you know, put the

(44:36):
other foot next to it and stand strong.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yeah, and you afology if you have to put your
foot down. You have to put your foot down and
follow a path. A lot of people don't and they'll
they'll go wishy washy with it, and you got to
just stick to it. And if you get to the
end of that road and that truth isn't what she
wanted to be, that's okay. You still found the truth.
It may not be aliens, it may not be ultra terrestrials.
It may be something totally different that can manifest itself

(45:01):
in any way at once. It's outside of our comprehension,
whatever it is our current in my opinion, and there
may be alien craft, there may not be but we
just need to go and find the truth. I don't care.
I don't, I don't. I really, I'm getting really tired
of the drifting. I'm getting tired of just people steering
innocent humans who are looking for spiritual answers on these
wrong paths, like for personal gain. It's okay to make

(45:23):
money doing something you love, but it's something else to
make money doing something against regular humans, so you can
gain profit for no reason. Like sometime it has to
be enough, right, and that's when we need to come
together and start doing actual research and going out here,
and we'll have to find it ourselves. You know, everyone's
banking on another Phoenix Lights to happen. I probably you know,
we had Stevensville in two thousand and eight, but you
know that was basically the Phoenix Lights one hundred and

(45:44):
twenty one hundred and twenty people, right, and then one
hundred and twenty or it was one hundred and twenty
people saw it or were at the MOOF on event, right,
So that's pretty pretty awesome. But you know, it's just
ends up on UFO Hunters, the old TV show with
those guys. So I don't, I don't know. It's not
going to happen that way. We have to just start
looking into the sew and I think it's through consciousness,
through Native American teachings and things like that. And that's

(46:06):
why I'm focusing more on that now instead of so
much like hoping I get to see a UFO land
in my backyard and give me like a you know,
a saltless waffle cracker, like happened in the Citties.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Shane, you got away with words.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
I would sit UFO days in Wisconsin, said Dundee, Wisconsin.
And there's probably about fifty sixty of us out there
taking photos of a really unique craft I means like
diamond shape, and it tumbled through the sky right over
our heads, met with one of the typical like spirit
lights that are seen over there, and we called the news.

(46:38):
We called the news that do you think they responded?
Do you think they were nothing? You know, nothing? And
it's like, you know, how many times is this going
to happen? And it's like the real stuff is not
taken seriously, but these little fuzzy tic TACs, you know,
Oh that's something. I'm glad they put it out there,
but again, they should just raise the garage door and

(46:59):
what they've got, because they've got some major stuff already
that's been huddled in.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Your tax dollars are paying for something in a shed
somewhere that we don't know about exactly. That's the problem,
that's the core problem. I don't care where it's from.
It can be from Agartha, it can be from you know,
the monolith on Mars. It can be from underneath the
Speinkx and be edgucases, you know Atlantean craft. I don't care.
I would just want to know why my money's paying
for this, even though I mean literally, like they work

(47:24):
for us, but they quit working for us obviously a
long time ago, and money only exists for us. You know,
everyone's complaining about them firing aside one your missile for
four hune thousand, or they don't care. They'll fire missiles
at mountain sides all day long. It doesn't matter to them, no,
So you got to stop thinking of it like like
they're just like you. They're not. They're not like you.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
They are not. They've got a lot to lose. They're
loving living high in the hog and having the technology
and access to it and being the boss over somebody
else to say, don't you dare speak butt in your lip?
So yeah, it's it's crazy, you know. I want people
to have the opportunity to reach out to you, and
you know, sit in one of your spaces, so you
should your Twitter and where you're doing.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, I do. My Twitter handle is at Turtle of
Time one two, and then I also have at UFO
Intros and that's another show we do where we interview
like famous people or famous people like Kurt Jai Mungle
or you know those guys, you know the guys we
hold up in ufology. And then next week I'm gonna
be doing some stuff with Steven Cambian at True Seekers.

(48:23):
So I got a lot of stuff planned. And if
you you know, follow me. If you see my spaces
are random, they'll pop up and you can keep up
through my tweets and you can come in and have
a chat with me and all my friends anytime. And
if you disagree with me, even better come in and
tell me why.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I love it. I love it. Shane Mancrola, I want
to thank you so much for coming on. You are
a unique guy and I'm I'm so glad to know
you and know that you're out there. I mean it
gives me new hope.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
No, thank you, thank you so much, hottie.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Didn't I tell you isn't any fun? I mean, just
such good energy. Unfortunately we've come to the bottom of
another fabulous program. I hope you really enjoyed yourselves, because
I know I sure did. And don't forget to Go
and check out my main website, which is Heidihollis dot
com or Shadowfolks dot com. Go to the Outlanderscomic dot

(49:11):
com and you can follow me on social media at
one Heidi Hollis. Just put a one in front of
my name or the Outlanders Comic. I also have Bigfoot
Bits m You can follow that too, because I love
doing my paranormal comic strip and it highlights a lot
of silly stuff and a lot of true stuff that
goes on out there in this crazy world of ours. Man,

(49:33):
you know, I gotta I gotta hear more from you
guys out there that are experiencing things. Shane took a
step forward. If you want to come on this show
and share your stories, share your thoughts, your research, whatever
you're doing, just tell me about it. Go to my
main website. Give me as many details as you can,
because I love the details and drawings photos. Write me

(49:55):
Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com, Send it to me
H E I D I H O L L I
S and Wow, Okay, I guess we're gonna trail off.
I could talk forever on this stuff. I just love it.
You guys, you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light
with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll see you next time,

(50:17):
Stay safer, inviting goodbye.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
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