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where'd that come from? It's like a year old. It's
so odd.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It is so odd.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
But you know, when you're getting filtered somehow, these things
can happen. Uh, you know what. And I also want
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wanted to be was a comic strip artist because it's
a lot more fun. And also I want to tell
you guys, this show for today is hot off the presses. Okay,
hot off the presses? What do I mean by that?
Did you hear the news? An intelligence official says the
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US has retrieved craft of non human origin. M yep,
I said it. I did. So we're gonna go over
that and a couple of other positions. When it comes
to the church and how they view these topics because
it's a crazy world out there, and how people can
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how can I say approach these things? Is anybody correct?
Is anybody right? Is everybody wrong? Who knows? But we're
gonna We're gonna go through this because it's kind of
important and since this is just being released today, I
think it's highly important. Okay, So I'm gonna read this
from Thebrief dot org. And oh first, I want to
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finish telling you guys, when you go to my main
website sending me your stories, tell me as many details
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have photos or drawings, send those to Heidihallis at gmail
dot com. All right, okay, okay, okay, now I'm back
on track. Say look, oh man, I swear to you.
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So okay, this comes to us from Thebrief dot org
And this was written by Leslie Keene met her Ralph
Blumenthal interviewed him on this program, and it says a
former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the
Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert
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programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact
craft of non human origin. Now we all I'm just
me talking. Now, we all know that this is not
brand new to the world because a lot of regular
folks have seen our government retrieve such things and also abroad.
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This is something that gets reported, So that part is
not new. What's new is having somebody in the ranks
say it happened, all right, So continuing, the information he
says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed
a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his
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confidential disclosures reported here for the first time. This is huge, guys,
this is huge. Absolutely. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired,
with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies,
have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off
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the record. The whistleblower, David Charles Groosch thirty six, a
decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of
the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NGA and the National Reconnaissance
Office NRO. He served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to
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the Sorry Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty one, so from late one to July
twenty twenty two he was the mnga's co lead for
UAP analysis and its representative to the task Force. So
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he's legit huge, very huge, all right. The task Force
was established to investigate what were once called unidentified flying
objects or UFOs. I prefer that term. My hand is raised, okay, guys,
and are now officially called officially unidentified anomalist phenomena. Used
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to be called aerial phenomena, but now it's anomalous or UAP.
The task Force was led by the Department of the
Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
for Intelligence and Security. Has since been reorganized and expanded
into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations
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of objects operating underwater.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
HMM.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Griff said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up
to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the
present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
To hear that for decades, they're acknowledging that. He's acknowledging
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it that they've been grabbing at these vehicles, all right.
People have written about these things forever. It's just amazing
to me. Okay analysis has determined that the objects retrieved
are of exotic origin, non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or
unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material science
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testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,
he said in file telling his complaint. Groosh is represented
by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community
Inspector General or ICIG. And this is a quote. We
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are not talking about prosaic origins or identities, Groosh said,
referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. The
material includes intact and partially intact vehicles in accordance with protocols,
Groosh provided the Defense Office of Pre Publication and Security
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Review at the Department of Defense with information he intended
to disclose to US. His on the record statements were
all cleared for open publication on April fourth and six,
twenty twenty three. In documents provided to US Grush's disclosures
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and those non public witnesses under new protective provisions of
the latest Defense Appropriations Bill signal a growing determination by
some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with
national security implications that has bedeviled the military, and tantalized
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the public going back to World War II and beyond
those are some fancy words people. I like these words. Colossal, enigma,
that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I like that, tantalized. You know, hey, we're all in there.
Yeah about that new protective witness provision thing. I have
heard that some of these people whistleblowers is supposed to
protect whistleblowers right, have stepped forward only to be harassed
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or killed. All right, that's sad, sad, and that that
was essentially created to you know, flush people out who
are willing to talk, just so they could point them out.
And that's coming from a friend of mine that's super
duper psychic who's mentioned that. It's like, oh that huh,
that's their way to find them. That's horrible, isn't it?
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Absolutely horrible? So yeah, let's give a round of applause
for this person stepping forward and the face of such
threat that definitely still exists. And I think I heard
doctor Greer speaking to that, with the many whistleblowers being
put at risk and harmed quite literally. All right, So, bedeviled, tantalized,
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and all these words, I'm digging here, all right, So continuing,
they say. For many bit for many decades, the Air
Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings
of unexplained objects. Now, with two public care and many
classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Carl E.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Nell, a recently retired Army colonel and current aerospace executive
who was the Army's liaison for the UAP Task Force
from twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two and worked
with Groosh there, characterizes Groosh as beyond reproach. Christopher Mellon,
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who spent nearly twenty years in the US intelligence community
and served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena. Well,
then that would make me think he sure does know
and hold the keys to some information. Nope, nope, I'm
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just reaching here. I'm just reaching you know, I'm gonna
stop here because we've got to get to our first break.
This is amazing, it's amazing, and I'm glad. I'm glad
somebody's talking, somebody's taking a step forward. But again, it
is it is hard for me somebody within the military
government being the one to disseminate information. So I always
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say be cautious. All right, you guys, you are listening
to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the
iHeart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are having a very
warm conversation about the whistle blower that has step forward
in regards to their being recovered craft and everybody knows
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it and they're not sharing and we have somebody that
has taken those steps forward and it is greatly appreciated.
And you know, my last comment just before the break
is telling about my position on some of these things
being that my reasons because you know, my own family
was involved in these things and I was none the wiser.
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I had no idea, that's the that's the words. I
didn't know, you know. So here it is in my
own family. I'm writing books on such things, and here
there was a keyholder under the same roof, you know.
So I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes
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to those who are owned by those that pull the
strings in the government. They held these things for decades.
I wonder what they had to do to keep that secret. Yeah,
what kind of threat is that?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
What could you dangle over someone's head to keep a
secret among thousands of military people for decades A bonus,
I don't think so. I think there was a whole
lot of heavy handed stuff, and I think there were
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a lot of people made examples of if they spoke,
you know. But I have to give it to our
servicemen and women who did their duty. They did, and
many have confessed and told their loved ones what they've experienced,
what they've done, And you know, that's how it's helped
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us to stand where we are today, those of us
in these fields that are uncovering so much out there.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Before I continue with the story, I'm reading from the
debrief dot org and speaking to what it is that
Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene have written in regards to
a whistleblower. But I want to remind you guys to
go to Heidihollis dot com or Shadowfolks dot com if
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you want to check out my various books I've got there.
On the introductory to Shadow People, that book is called
The Secret War, and the original subtitle was The Heaven
Speak of the Battle. Now it's about a real shadow
People battle between.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Aliens, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And then i have Jesus no Joke. And I've got
several other books there, and the hat Man book. Again. Yeah,
I'm that person that first named defined and told the
world and warned them about these beings for a very
very big reason that I hope to be speaking too
soon about because a lot of people take those bits
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of information that I put out there in regards to
these cree but they don't have the full story just yet.
And it's a coming. It's a coming, all right. To continue,
all right, it's a quote. It says a number of
well placed current and former officials have shared detailed information
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with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history,
governing documents, and the location where a craft was allegedly
abandoned and recovered. Mellon said, However, it is a delicate
matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands
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for validation. This is made harder by the fact that
rightly or wrongly. A number of potential sources do not
trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
established by Congress. What was I just talking about. Yeah,
there's some trust issues. So it's not just me. It's
not just me, you know. I hate to sound skeptical
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because I am very happy our government has taken a
step forward and it's discussing, at least discussing this instead
of pooh poohing making fun of, you know, little tongue
in cheek stuff as the president of the United States
isn't even allowed to know information. But one thing I
will tell you guys, though my father haven't been part
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of the military and part of what it is I
was discussing, he helped invent things, you know, for the government,
for military, and these things have never surfaced that he
helped create. So who's using it? You know, who's using it?
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I know that he said anything that you see our
government shows our technology to be like the latest craft
that they have or whatever. He's like, it's at least
a minimum of twenty years old, Heidi, twenty years So
that means there are people living way above where we're living,
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all right way above. They keep it to themselves. You know,
I get it. It's also to keep the country safe.
But also there are a lot of luxuries that go
into that, a lot of luxuries, and only those at
the top are enjoying those spoils. Where did they get
the technology from? Sometimes I think it's kind of obvious.
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It isn't always ours, right, Yeah, So there you have it. Okay,
I'm going to continue. But some insiders are now willing
to take the risk, and the risk is still there,
guys of coming forward for the first time with knowledge
of these recovery programs UFO recovery.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Somebody that I know spoke to that in her book
So American Cosmic. That would be Diana Pasolka. She spoke
of this in her book in Detailed Religion Scholar talking
on that right, Okay, So continuing. Jonathan Gray is a
generational officer of the United States intelligence community with a
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top secret clearance who currently works for the National Air
and Space Intelligence Center. So that's nasik NASIC where the
analysis of UAP has been his main focus. Previously, he
had experienced serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special
Directive task Forces. And this is the quote. The non
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human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone. Gray said,
Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States.
This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution
continues to elude us. So everybody's hiding it from us, Guys, everybody.
Everybody thought they were better and knew better for us
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and kept it to them. So now is it a
matter of national security if everybody's got one. I'm thinking no.
I think that somebody was really having a good old
time having this knowledge. A lot of somebody's just my point,
my opinion. That's that's all I'm just saying. Okay, all right.
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At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, Groos served as a
senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer. It's a lot of big titles,
cleared at the top secret forward slash secret compartmented information level,
and was the agency's senior Technical advisor for Unidentified aerial
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Phenomena analysis forward slash trans medium issues. What man, I
would have to like memorize what my title was if
that was me. It's just a lot, okay. From twenty
sixteen to twenty twenty one, he served with the National
Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence officer and led the production
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of the NRO Director's Daily Briefing. Grousch was a GS
fifteen civilian Wow, the military equivalent of a colonel. That's
a high rank. Grusche has served as an intelligence officer
for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force,
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he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in
covert and clandestine operations to advance American security. According to
a twenty twenty one NRO performance report, Grousche was an
intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena
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reports and boosted congressional leadership intel gaps in understanding. He
was assessed by the Reconnaissance Office's Operation City Deputy Director
as an adept staff officer and strategists and total force
integrator and innovative solutions and actionable results like all of
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these these these these titles, they're they're in quotes, lots
of quotes, lots of quotes. It's just amazing. But so
he analyzed unidentified aero phenomena, right, Yeah, that's what he did,
and he was in charge of a lot of it.
And I'll tell you right here, right now that I
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know that my father did something similar, and I believe
it's the first time I'm speaking to that is right
here on the air on my own show. Yeah, twenty
three years Air Force running a NORAD station. That was
my dad, yep, and didn't have a clue. Guys didn't
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have a clue. Wonder what they held over his head.
I don't know his family, you know, his security, his life.
I don't know, pension, all that stuff. Who knows? I
don't know because I didn't know. Okay, all right. Groosh
prepared many briefs on unidentified aero phenomena for Congress while
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in government and help draft the language on UAP for
the FY twenty twenty three National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded
by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Yeah, his name
is all over this stuff a lot, and signed it
to law by President Biden in December of twenty twenty two.
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The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information
can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non
disclosure agreements. A lot of people don't feel safe with that, still,
go figure, I don't know, because slip and falls happen right.
In a statement cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April,
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Grush asserted that UFO legacy programs have long been concealed
within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access
programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. Oh boy,
so a lot of stuff is just a ruse.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's what I'm reading into this. Okay, you guys, you
know what. We've got another break coming up here. This
is a nice lengthy article and it is greatly appreciated
because we're learning a lot, aren't we. And I'm confessing
all right, you guys. You are listening to Dark to
Complete with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast Dan Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
We see you at Welcome Back.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You are listening to doct Becomes Life with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coddam Paranormal Podcast Network. Well,
today it's been a fascinating today. I'm doing a little
confessing and somebody is whistleblowing on the whole UFO recovery
program that's been going on, and so we're just reading
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it from the source right here online from thedebrief dot org.
And I got to remind you guys to go to
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also hear the pulling back of the layers of the
onion that sometimes can be painful, sometimes very overwhelming, other
times enthralling, and we triumph in finding out some answers.
All right, you guys, let me get on back here
to this story, because this is amazing. Leslie Keene Ralph
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Blumenthal wrote this onthdebrief dot org and I'm blown away.
I'm blown away, And I'm also sharing about some of
the things that my own family, my father also was
involved with having been a senior noncommissioned officer for NORAD.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yep, didn't know, did not know, didn't stop me getting
military abductions because they figured, well, he must have told
her something. Here she is writing books on it, right. Well,
I didn't know, And no, I wasn't part of any
kind of what are those programs that a lot of
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people whose parents were part of the military and they
volunteered them to take part in these experiments like to
fly craft and to be tested on things. No, no, no, no,
I didn't have any of that. Wasn't a part of it,
but it was. That was a huge program. A lot
of people were involved. I have no memories of that.
Was I taken and interrogated about craft and beings?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
While I was in college military abductions yep, M yeah,
I had that. Lucky me.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
But there's a reason behind all of this, and gotta wonder.
Gott to wonder why our faces are in a certain
television series, my dad and myself and my sister in
season three of the television spinoff of X Files called Millennium.
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I'm just saying, all of our faces and names are there.
It's something else go ahead and google Agent Hollis Millennium
tell me what that is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, so any who, Continuing continuing with David Grusch, the
UFO whistleblower, His story is amazing, all right, this is
what it says. He said. He reported to Congress on
the existence of a decades long, publicly unknown Cold War
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for recovered and exploited physical material exploit it. Okay, that
means I used it for something, a competition with near
peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes and landings. Landings, guys.
So the craft landed and they charged it. Huh, and
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retrieved the material for exploitation reverse engineering to garner asymmetric
national defense advantages. Well that makes sense to do that,
but yeah. Beginning in twenty twenty two, Grooshe provided Congress
with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages,
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which included specific data about the material's recovery program. Congress
has not been provided with any physical materials related to
wreckage or other non human objects, now why not. Grush's
investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high level intelligence officials,
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some of whom are directly involved with the program. He
says the operation was illegally shielded from proper congression oversight
and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation. Hmm,
you know, guys, Arrow, okay, Arrow, that is a program
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that has been put on display to go through and
debrief everybody on their findings. And all they've been talking
about is how eh, yeah, we looked, but nothing's really alien.
You know, we're still talking about somebody's got some really
cool stuff out there, right for the most part, That's
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what I'm hearing. And it's been frustrating. And this is
what I mean. We're trusting the left hand while the
right hand is just going, yeehaw, boy, we got some
good stuff this time on this hall. We put our
trust into what I mean, why would they be honest
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all of a sudden? Why why would they take these
steps forward all of a sudden? Is to control the narrative. Right,
there's a lot of craft flying all over the place,
and they've been really good at keeping it hushed up.
But my goodness, enough is enough? Enough is enough. I'd
known too many people sacrifice too much, including myself, just
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to allow this to keep happening. Is it really always defense?
You know, I see how we could get a leg up,
but the other folks around the world are doing the
same thing. So I don't know. You know, I see
these old movies where people fall on the sword for
their country, right, and I'm surprised there haven't been a
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whole ton more that just stepped forward right away and
just said, hey, you know, we don't have to pay
electric bills anymore because there is like this technology. You know,
we don't have to have homeless because we can provide
because we got this new technology and this other technolog
she does this, and it does that, and it could
cover this for us. You know, I don't know. I'm
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just like, I think a lot of people have died
over this subject, that it's the number one thing that's
hidden in the world just so people can benefit secretly,
not greatly, not hugely, you know, just individuals, just so
they're okay, they're okay, what about the rest of us.
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We're paying the bills, right, Okay, all right, I'm gonna
I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I really am.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
There's so much of the story left yet I have
to read faster, all right. So Grooce said that the
craft or covery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity,
and that he knows the specific individuals current and former
who are involved. Individuals on these up programs is the
quote approached me in my official capacity and disclose their
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concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting
against the federal acquisitions regulations and their criminality and the
suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,
he stated, So that means like the professors and stuff,
they all got this and they're all drooling over it
and having a good old time with it, talking among
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their big heads. You know who, we know something the
rest of the world doesn't know because you know, we're underpaid.
So we're gonna just hold this over their heads. Ah,
this is just this is evil, guys, This is evil.
This is evil. We know this is going on though,
those of us in these fields. This is evil though.
How mean can it selfish?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Can you be?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So they were made to sign NDA's They were giving
all this information. Here's some cool toys. Show us what
you can do with it. Just keep it to yourself.
Make sure we got homeless people in the world, and
cancer still thrives because you know, pharmaceuticals got to make
their money. Oh okay, I'm just I'm just speculating, just speculating,
all right. Continuing, Chet, who vouch for Groose, said his
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information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects
of non human origins are in the possession of highly
secret black programs. I guess they're now selling drugs anymore.
It's just this, although locations, program names, and other specific
data remain classified. I'm sorry, I said that. The I'm
speaking from information that's been provided to the government, okay,
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about government selling drugs for black projects. That's been investigated
a gazillion times, hasn't it? All right? So continuing, All
though locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified,
the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with
these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke
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to the Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Groosh
had provided for the classified complaint. Grush left the government
on April seventh, twenty twenty three, in order, he said,
to advance government accountability. Well, all right, Grush through public awareness.
He remains well supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources
have vouched for his credibility. I'm liking this guy his assertion,
(36:09):
but again, it's government. I'm sorry. His assertion concerning the
existence of terrestrial arms race occurring subrosa over the past
eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin
is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at
least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from
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non human intelligence, said Carl Nell, the retired Army colonel
who worked with Groosh on the UAP task Force. In
the twenty twenty two performance evaluation, Laura Potter, Deputy Chief
of Staff for Intelligence Headquarters, Department of the Army, described
now as an officer with the strongest possible moral compass.
Groosh is represented by Charles mc mcgullough, the third senior
(36:53):
partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and
the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirm the
US Senate in twenty eleven. At that time, McCullough, I
hope I'm saying that right. Reported directly to the then
Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence
officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations. On May twenty
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twenty two, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concerns complaint
of reprisal on behalf of Groosh with the ICIG about
detailed information that Groosh had gathered beginning in twenty nineteen
while working for the UP Task Force. An unclassified version
of the complaint provided to US states at Groosh has
(37:37):
direct knowledge that uIP related classified information has been withheld
and or concealed from Congress by elements of the Intelligence Committee,
and we heard that part to purposely intentionally thwart legitimate
Congressional oversight of the UP program. All testimony Groosh provided
for the classified complaint has provided under both Wow, I
(38:02):
cannot believe how huge this article is. There's so much
more to read here, and I'm gonna kind of do
it in little divisions. Come about that because I want
to get some other comments in here. But you guys,
you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
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Speaker 4 (38:22):
We'll be right back, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are going through the debrief dot org.
We are going through this whistleblowing UFO David Gruch. He
is laying it down, absolutely, telling what he knows about
(39:00):
the truth and what has been hidden out there in
the world when it comes to retrieving craft and knowing
about them for decades people decades. So continuing this article
and then I'm going to go into some commentary on us,
because wow is a mouthful, all right. So, according to
the Unclassified Complaints, in July twenty twenty one, Brush had
confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector
(39:25):
General concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress.
He believed that his identity and the fact that he
had provided testimony were disclosed to individuals and or entities
within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside
the IG's office. You don't say, hmm, I can't understand
(39:50):
why they would do such a thing. They have protections
out there now, right, Yeah, he did not allege that
this information was improper disclosed by any member of that office,
but as a result Groosh suffered months of retaliation and
reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one.
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He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to
protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation. The Intelligence Community
Inspector General found this complaint credible and urgent in July
twenty twenty two. According to Grush, a summary was immediately
submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Hines or Haines,
(40:32):
the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent
Select Committee on Intelligence. The complaint was drafted and signed
by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grush's
signature attached to his statement that I do solemnly affirm,
under the policies of perjury, that the contents of the
foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of
(40:54):
my knowledge. A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Groosch
began his committeecation with the staff of the Congressional intelligence
committees in private, closed door sessions. According to Groosh, certain
information which he obtained in his investigation could not be
put before congressional staffer is because they did not have
the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I'm reading it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Fast, guys, the representative of the House Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence told us in March. Yet the committee members
are not able to comment on the content of a
complaint or confirm the identity of a complainant. And this
is the quote. When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP
activities in conventional SAPCAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation
(41:44):
related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to
various oversight authorities, you have a problem, Groosh said, referencing
the highly secret special access programs and controlled access programs.
Grush's willing us to take risks and speak appears to
be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency,
(42:06):
like myself, as I'm doing right now talking about my
father and his involvement with some things. But I can't
prove anything, right, all right, So Jonathan Gray, the intelligence
officer specializing UAP analysis at the National Air and Space
Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified
here under the identity he uses inside the agency. NASIK,
(42:28):
headquartered in Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is a Department
of Defence's primary Air Force source for foreign air and
space threat analysis. My dad was over there. Its mission
is to discover and characterize air, space, missile and cyber threats.
According to the agency's website, the center's team of trusted
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subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, analytic capabilities not
found elsewhere. Gray said that such immense capabilities are not
merely relegated to the study of the prosaic. This is
a quote. The existence of complex historical programs involving the
coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back to
(43:12):
the early twentieth century should no longer remain a secret.
What did he say that? That's amazing. The majority of
retrieved for ing exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation
and origin, but not all in any number higher than
zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage.
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It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward,
as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other
agencies with regard to UAP. And this is a quote.
A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space
based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically intriplicate
(43:58):
to observe the accurately identify the out of this world nature,
performance and design of these anomalous machines, which are then
determined not to be of earthly origin. It's not something Melon.
The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has
been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress
(44:20):
and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic
retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of
Unexplained Objects was provided to staff members of the Senate
Armed Services Committee on October twenty first, twenty nineteen, and
to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later,
(44:41):
as reported by The New York Times. We all remember that,
don't we. So Mellon says that once the members of
Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their
staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a
position to quickly determine the truth if they have the
will to do so. So they got to still determine
the truth. Huh wow. This is an unprecedented oversight challenge
(45:05):
for the committees. But I believe we have leaders in
Congress who are up to the task. Mellan said, whoo
oh boy. I really want to end it there, I do,
I really do, but I want to talk to one
part of this article. Doctor Gary Nolan, a professor in
the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and renowned inventor
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and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has
started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out
of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those
technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first
peer reviewed paper examining such materials. And this is the quote.
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Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as
a grain of silicon, creating the underpinning of the integrated
circuits that underlie computation and now even artificial intelligence. Nolan
said studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could
lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity. He said, this
(46:08):
is the quote. What might be represented here could be
hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be
more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine
what we could do with even a grain of knowledge
about how they operate. Well, I think it was already
stated in here that different universities and those within them
(46:31):
were given this material already, right, So probably hasn't Stanford
has to be up the top of the list with it. So,
but I don't think everybody's comfortable in speaking to all
that they know just yet, not naming any names, just
saying because somebody's got this, somebody has this information. I mean,
(46:55):
my own father did and didn't say a word, did
not say a word, and he wasn't believed or trusted either.
So hey, let's go interrogate her his daughter. Yeah, so
where are we going with this? This is the last
quote I want to read from here. I hope this
revelation serves as an ontological shock, sociologically and provides a
(47:19):
generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess
their priorities grushe said, And again this from Leslie Keane.
Ralph Bloomenthal with Helen Cooper co authored on this. You know,
there's so much, there's so much to unpack here, guys,
we all knew well I was talking about it. Anyways.
(47:40):
You can't fully trust if there is a government entity
controlling this message when they have harassed people in these
fields for decades, harassed guys, I mean, been all over
their lives saying, you know, I'm gonna burn down your
fields farm. You're going to speak to that crash over
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there in Roswell, I'm going to do this to you.
I'm going to do that to you. It's sad and terrific.
If they could do those things, there's an agenda and
there's a controlled message no matter what. So as our
governments tried to wrangle how to display the truth about
aliens and their existence and all that they have been
(48:22):
doing with them for so very long, let's look at
what the Church has said about this. So there was
a Time magazine article Elizabeth Dias wrote May fourteenth, twenty fourteen.
Pope Francis brought up Martians as he was preaching about
a specific New Testament story. Early Christians were wondering if
Jews and Gentiles could associate, and God gave the apostle
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Peter a vision that salvation extended beyond the deepest cultural divides.
It was a moment of internal crisis for the early church.
Quote that was unthinkable. Francis explained and to show just
how unthinkable it was. He added, if, for example, tomorrow
an expedition of Martians came and some of them came
(49:03):
to us. Here Martians right green with that long nose
and big ears, just like children paint them, and one says,
but I want to be baptized, what would happen? The
church today should learn from the early church. France has
explained that it cannot close its doors to anyone that
which God has purified, as a scripture says, no one
(49:24):
can call profane. It was never the ministry to close
the door.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Never.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Well, isn't that interesting, you guys? So you know the
churches will need to explain that God is able to
create even outside of this planet, because I believe that,
and I still believe in God, I still know that
Jesus is real and all the in betweens. But oh,
it's going to be interesting this year to watch how
this all plays out, because they really have a playbook.
(49:54):
It feels anymore. All right, you guys, We've come to
the bottom of another fabulous program. Don't forget to go
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(50:16):
to think about what is going on here? What is
the prize? What is it that people are aiming for?
God is good. God creates and aliens exist, and.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
So do we.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I haven't seen the ones with the big long nose
that Francis was speaking of, but hey, you know there
could be. I just hope that we learned to get
along better down here on this planet and create some balance.
All right, you guys, you have been listening to Dark
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We'll see you next time.
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It is so odd.
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But you know, when you're getting filtered somehow, these things
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wanted to be was a comic strip artist because it's
a lot more fun. And also I want to tell
you guys, this show for today is hot off the presses. Okay,
hot off the presses? What do I mean by that?
Did you hear the news? An intelligence official says the
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US has retrieved craft of non human origin. M yep,
I said it. I did. So we're gonna go over
that and a couple of other positions. When it comes
to the church and how they view these topics because
it's a crazy world out there, and how people can
(04:03):
how can I say approach these things? Is anybody correct?
Is anybody right? Is everybody wrong? Who knows? But we're
gonna We're gonna go through this because it's kind of
important and since this is just being released today, I
think it's highly important. Okay, So I'm gonna read this
from Thebrief dot org. And oh first, I want to
(04:28):
finish telling you guys, when you go to my main
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on track. Say look, oh man, I swear to you.
(04:48):
So okay, this comes to us from Thebrief dot org
And this was written by Leslie Keene met her Ralph
Blumenthal interviewed him on this program, and it says a
former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the
Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert
(05:15):
programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact
craft of non human origin. Now we all I'm just
me talking. Now, we all know that this is not
brand new to the world because a lot of regular
folks have seen our government retrieve such things and also abroad.
(05:38):
This is something that gets reported, So that part is
not new. What's new is having somebody in the ranks
say it happened, all right, So continuing, the information he
says has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed
a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his
(06:01):
confidential disclosures reported here for the first time. This is huge, guys,
this is huge. Absolutely. Other intelligence officials, both active and retired,
with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies,
have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off
(06:25):
the record. The whistleblower, David Charles Groosch thirty six, a
decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of
the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NGA and the National Reconnaissance
Office NRO. He served as the Reconnaissance Office's representative to
(06:50):
the Sorry Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty one, so from late one to July
twenty twenty two he was the mnga's co lead for
UAP analysis and its representative to the task Force. So
(07:13):
he's legit huge, very huge, all right. The task Force
was established to investigate what were once called unidentified flying
objects or UFOs. I prefer that term. My hand is raised, okay, guys,
and are now officially called officially unidentified anomalist phenomena. Used
(07:37):
to be called aerial phenomena, but now it's anomalous or UAP.
The task Force was led by the Department of the
Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense
for Intelligence and Security. Has since been reorganized and expanded
into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations
(08:01):
of objects operating underwater.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
HMM.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Griff said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up
to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the
present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.
To hear that for decades, they're acknowledging that. He's acknowledging
(08:27):
it that they've been grabbing at these vehicles, all right.
People have written about these things forever. It's just amazing
to me. Okay analysis has determined that the objects retrieved
are of exotic origin, non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or
unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material science
(08:51):
testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,
he said in file telling his complaint. Groosh is represented
by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community
Inspector General or ICIG. And this is a quote. We
(09:13):
are not talking about prosaic origins or identities, Groosh said,
referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. The
material includes intact and partially intact vehicles in accordance with protocols,
Groosh provided the Defense Office of Pre Publication and Security
(09:37):
Review at the Department of Defense with information he intended
to disclose to US. His on the record statements were
all cleared for open publication on April fourth and six,
twenty twenty three. In documents provided to US Grush's disclosures
(09:58):
and those non public witnesses under new protective provisions of
the latest Defense Appropriations Bill signal a growing determination by
some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with
national security implications that has bedeviled the military, and tantalized
(10:20):
the public going back to World War II and beyond
those are some fancy words people. I like these words. Colossal, enigma,
that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I like that, tantalized. You know, hey, we're all in there.
Yeah about that new protective witness provision thing. I have
heard that some of these people whistleblowers is supposed to
protect whistleblowers right, have stepped forward only to be harassed
(10:55):
or killed. All right, that's sad, sad, and that that
was essentially created to you know, flush people out who
are willing to talk, just so they could point them out.
And that's coming from a friend of mine that's super
duper psychic who's mentioned that. It's like, oh that huh,
that's their way to find them. That's horrible, isn't it?
(11:19):
Absolutely horrible? So yeah, let's give a round of applause
for this person stepping forward and the face of such
threat that definitely still exists. And I think I heard
doctor Greer speaking to that, with the many whistleblowers being
put at risk and harmed quite literally. All right, So, bedeviled, tantalized,
(11:43):
and all these words, I'm digging here, all right, So continuing,
they say. For many bit for many decades, the Air
Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings
of unexplained objects. Now, with two public care and many
classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Carl E.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Nell, a recently retired Army colonel and current aerospace executive
who was the Army's liaison for the UAP Task Force
from twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two and worked
with Groosh there, characterizes Groosh as beyond reproach. Christopher Mellon,
(12:29):
who spent nearly twenty years in the US intelligence community
and served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena. Well,
then that would make me think he sure does know
and hold the keys to some information. Nope, nope, I'm
(12:51):
just reaching here. I'm just reaching you know, I'm gonna
stop here because we've got to get to our first break.
This is amazing, it's amazing, and I'm glad. I'm glad
somebody's talking, somebody's taking a step forward. But again, it
is it is hard for me somebody within the military
government being the one to disseminate information. So I always
(13:13):
say be cautious. All right, you guys, you are listening
to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the
iHeart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(13:36):
Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio at Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We are having a very
warm conversation about the whistle blower that has step forward
in regards to their being recovered craft and everybody knows
(13:58):
it and they're not sharing and we have somebody that
has taken those steps forward and it is greatly appreciated.
And you know, my last comment just before the break
is telling about my position on some of these things
being that my reasons because you know, my own family
was involved in these things and I was none the wiser.
(14:22):
I had no idea, that's the that's the words. I
didn't know, you know. So here it is in my
own family. I'm writing books on such things, and here
there was a keyholder under the same roof, you know.
So I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes
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to those who are owned by those that pull the
strings in the government. They held these things for decades.
I wonder what they had to do to keep that secret. Yeah,
what kind of threat is that?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
What could you dangle over someone's head to keep a
secret among thousands of military people for decades A bonus,
I don't think so. I think there was a whole
lot of heavy handed stuff, and I think there were
(15:20):
a lot of people made examples of if they spoke,
you know. But I have to give it to our
servicemen and women who did their duty. They did, and
many have confessed and told their loved ones what they've experienced,
what they've done, And you know, that's how it's helped
(15:42):
us to stand where we are today, those of us
in these fields that are uncovering so much out there.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Before I continue with the story, I'm reading from the
debrief dot org and speaking to what it is that
Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene have written in regards to
a whistleblower. But I want to remind you guys to
go to Heidihollis dot com or Shadowfolks dot com if
(16:11):
you want to check out my various books I've got there.
On the introductory to Shadow People, that book is called
The Secret War, and the original subtitle was The Heaven
Speak of the Battle. Now it's about a real shadow
People battle between.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Aliens, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And then i have Jesus no Joke. And I've got
several other books there, and the hat Man book. Again. Yeah,
I'm that person that first named defined and told the
world and warned them about these beings for a very
very big reason that I hope to be speaking too
soon about because a lot of people take those bits
(16:56):
of information that I put out there in regards to
these cree but they don't have the full story just yet.
And it's a coming. It's a coming, all right. To continue,
all right, it's a quote. It says a number of
well placed current and former officials have shared detailed information
(17:16):
with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history,
governing documents, and the location where a craft was allegedly
abandoned and recovered. Mellon said, However, it is a delicate
matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands
(17:39):
for validation. This is made harder by the fact that
rightly or wrongly. A number of potential sources do not
trust the leadership of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office
established by Congress. What was I just talking about. Yeah,
there's some trust issues. So it's not just me. It's
not just me, you know. I hate to sound skeptical
(18:01):
because I am very happy our government has taken a
step forward and it's discussing, at least discussing this instead
of pooh poohing making fun of, you know, little tongue
in cheek stuff as the president of the United States
isn't even allowed to know information. But one thing I
will tell you guys, though my father haven't been part
(18:21):
of the military and part of what it is I
was discussing, he helped invent things, you know, for the government,
for military, and these things have never surfaced that he
helped create. So who's using it? You know, who's using it?
(18:42):
I know that he said anything that you see our
government shows our technology to be like the latest craft
that they have or whatever. He's like, it's at least
a minimum of twenty years old, Heidi, twenty years So
that means there are people living way above where we're living,
(19:02):
all right way above. They keep it to themselves. You know,
I get it. It's also to keep the country safe.
But also there are a lot of luxuries that go
into that, a lot of luxuries, and only those at
the top are enjoying those spoils. Where did they get
the technology from? Sometimes I think it's kind of obvious.
(19:25):
It isn't always ours, right, Yeah, So there you have it. Okay,
I'm going to continue. But some insiders are now willing
to take the risk, and the risk is still there,
guys of coming forward for the first time with knowledge
of these recovery programs UFO recovery.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Somebody that I know spoke to that in her book
So American Cosmic. That would be Diana Pasolka. She spoke
of this in her book in Detailed Religion Scholar talking
on that right, Okay, So continuing. Jonathan Gray is a
generational officer of the United States intelligence community with a
(20:12):
top secret clearance who currently works for the National Air
and Space Intelligence Center. So that's nasik NASIC where the
analysis of UAP has been his main focus. Previously, he
had experienced serving private aerospace and Department of Defense Special
Directive task Forces. And this is the quote. The non
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human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone. Gray said,
Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States.
This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution
continues to elude us. So everybody's hiding it from us, Guys, everybody.
Everybody thought they were better and knew better for us
(20:59):
and kept it to them. So now is it a
matter of national security if everybody's got one. I'm thinking no.
I think that somebody was really having a good old
time having this knowledge. A lot of somebody's just my point,
my opinion. That's that's all I'm just saying. Okay, all right.
(21:23):
At the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, Groos served as a
senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer. It's a lot of big titles,
cleared at the top secret forward slash secret compartmented information level,
and was the agency's senior Technical advisor for Unidentified aerial
(21:44):
Phenomena analysis forward slash trans medium issues. What man, I
would have to like memorize what my title was if
that was me. It's just a lot, okay. From twenty
sixteen to twenty twenty one, he served with the National
Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence officer and led the production
(22:05):
of the NRO Director's Daily Briefing. Grousch was a GS
fifteen civilian Wow, the military equivalent of a colonel. That's
a high rank. Grusche has served as an intelligence officer
for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force,
(22:26):
he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in
covert and clandestine operations to advance American security. According to
a twenty twenty one NRO performance report, Grousche was an
intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena
(22:49):
reports and boosted congressional leadership intel gaps in understanding. He
was assessed by the Reconnaissance Office's Operation City Deputy Director
as an adept staff officer and strategists and total force
integrator and innovative solutions and actionable results like all of
(23:14):
these these these these titles, they're they're in quotes, lots
of quotes, lots of quotes. It's just amazing. But so
he analyzed unidentified aero phenomena, right, Yeah, that's what he did,
and he was in charge of a lot of it.
And I'll tell you right here, right now that I
(23:36):
know that my father did something similar, and I believe
it's the first time I'm speaking to that is right
here on the air on my own show. Yeah, twenty
three years Air Force running a NORAD station. That was
my dad, yep, and didn't have a clue. Guys didn't
(24:00):
have a clue. Wonder what they held over his head.
I don't know his family, you know, his security, his life.
I don't know, pension, all that stuff. Who knows? I
don't know because I didn't know. Okay, all right. Groosh
prepared many briefs on unidentified aero phenomena for Congress while
(24:22):
in government and help draft the language on UAP for
the FY twenty twenty three National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded
by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Yeah, his name
is all over this stuff a lot, and signed it
to law by President Biden in December of twenty twenty two.
(24:44):
The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information
can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non
disclosure agreements. A lot of people don't feel safe with that, still,
go figure, I don't know, because slip and falls happen right.
In a statement cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April,
(25:06):
Grush asserted that UFO legacy programs have long been concealed
within multiple agencies, nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access
programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. Oh boy,
so a lot of stuff is just a ruse.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
That's what I'm reading into this. Okay, you guys, you
know what. We've got another break coming up here. This
is a nice lengthy article and it is greatly appreciated
because we're learning a lot, aren't we. And I'm confessing
all right, you guys. You are listening to Dark to
Complete with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast Dan Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
We see you at Welcome Back.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You are listening to doct Becomes Life with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coddam Paranormal Podcast Network. Well,
today it's been a fascinating today. I'm doing a little
confessing and somebody is whistleblowing on the whole UFO recovery
program that's been going on, and so we're just reading
(26:29):
it from the source right here online from thedebrief dot org.
And I got to remind you guys to go to
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(26:51):
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(27:12):
also hear the pulling back of the layers of the
onion that sometimes can be painful, sometimes very overwhelming, other
times enthralling, and we triumph in finding out some answers.
All right, you guys, let me get on back here
to this story, because this is amazing. Leslie Keene Ralph
(27:37):
Blumenthal wrote this onthdebrief dot org and I'm blown away.
I'm blown away, And I'm also sharing about some of
the things that my own family, my father also was
involved with having been a senior noncommissioned officer for NORAD.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yep, didn't know, did not know, didn't stop me getting
military abductions because they figured, well, he must have told
her something. Here she is writing books on it, right. Well,
I didn't know, And no, I wasn't part of any
kind of what are those programs that a lot of
(28:17):
people whose parents were part of the military and they
volunteered them to take part in these experiments like to
fly craft and to be tested on things. No, no, no, no,
I didn't have any of that. Wasn't a part of it,
but it was. That was a huge program. A lot
of people were involved. I have no memories of that.
Was I taken and interrogated about craft and beings?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
While I was in college military abductions yep, M yeah,
I had that. Lucky me.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
But there's a reason behind all of this, and gotta wonder.
Gott to wonder why our faces are in a certain
television series, my dad and myself and my sister in
season three of the television spinoff of X Files called Millennium.
(29:12):
I'm just saying, all of our faces and names are there.
It's something else go ahead and google Agent Hollis Millennium
tell me what that is.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, so any who, Continuing continuing with David Grusch, the
UFO whistleblower, His story is amazing, all right, this is
what it says. He said. He reported to Congress on
the existence of a decades long, publicly unknown Cold War
(29:47):
for recovered and exploited physical material exploit it. Okay, that
means I used it for something, a competition with near
peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes and landings. Landings, guys.
So the craft landed and they charged it. Huh, and
(30:08):
retrieved the material for exploitation reverse engineering to garner asymmetric
national defense advantages. Well that makes sense to do that,
but yeah. Beginning in twenty twenty two, Grooshe provided Congress
with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages,
(30:32):
which included specific data about the material's recovery program. Congress
has not been provided with any physical materials related to
wreckage or other non human objects, now why not. Grush's
investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high level intelligence officials,
(30:52):
some of whom are directly involved with the program. He
says the operation was illegally shielded from proper congression oversight
and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation. Hmm,
you know, guys, Arrow, okay, Arrow, that is a program
(31:13):
that has been put on display to go through and
debrief everybody on their findings. And all they've been talking
about is how eh, yeah, we looked, but nothing's really alien.
You know, we're still talking about somebody's got some really
cool stuff out there, right for the most part, That's
(31:34):
what I'm hearing. And it's been frustrating. And this is
what I mean. We're trusting the left hand while the
right hand is just going, yeehaw, boy, we got some
good stuff this time on this hall. We put our
trust into what I mean, why would they be honest
(31:54):
all of a sudden? Why why would they take these
steps forward all of a sudden? Is to control the narrative. Right,
there's a lot of craft flying all over the place,
and they've been really good at keeping it hushed up.
But my goodness, enough is enough? Enough is enough. I'd
known too many people sacrifice too much, including myself, just
(32:19):
to allow this to keep happening. Is it really always defense?
You know, I see how we could get a leg up,
but the other folks around the world are doing the
same thing. So I don't know. You know, I see
these old movies where people fall on the sword for
their country, right, and I'm surprised there haven't been a
(32:42):
whole ton more that just stepped forward right away and
just said, hey, you know, we don't have to pay
electric bills anymore because there is like this technology. You know,
we don't have to have homeless because we can provide
because we got this new technology and this other technolog
she does this, and it does that, and it could
cover this for us. You know, I don't know. I'm
(33:07):
just like, I think a lot of people have died
over this subject, that it's the number one thing that's
hidden in the world just so people can benefit secretly,
not greatly, not hugely, you know, just individuals, just so
they're okay, they're okay, what about the rest of us.
(33:28):
We're paying the bills, right, Okay, all right, I'm gonna
I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I really am.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
There's so much of the story left yet I have
to read faster, all right. So Grooce said that the
craft or covery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity,
and that he knows the specific individuals current and former
who are involved. Individuals on these up programs is the
quote approached me in my official capacity and disclose their
(33:56):
concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings such as illegal contracting
against the federal acquisitions regulations and their criminality and the
suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,
he stated, So that means like the professors and stuff,
they all got this and they're all drooling over it
and having a good old time with it, talking among
(34:18):
their big heads. You know who, we know something the
rest of the world doesn't know because you know, we're underpaid.
So we're gonna just hold this over their heads. Ah,
this is just this is evil, guys, This is evil.
This is evil. We know this is going on though,
those of us in these fields. This is evil though.
How mean can it selfish?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Can you be?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So they were made to sign NDA's They were giving
all this information. Here's some cool toys. Show us what
you can do with it. Just keep it to yourself.
Make sure we got homeless people in the world, and
cancer still thrives because you know, pharmaceuticals got to make
their money. Oh okay, I'm just I'm just speculating, just speculating,
all right. Continuing, Chet, who vouch for Groose, said his
(35:02):
information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects
of non human origins are in the possession of highly
secret black programs. I guess they're now selling drugs anymore.
It's just this, although locations, program names, and other specific
data remain classified. I'm sorry, I said that. The I'm
speaking from information that's been provided to the government, okay,
(35:24):
about government selling drugs for black projects. That's been investigated
a gazillion times, hasn't it? All right? So continuing, All
though locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified,
the Inspector General and Intelligence Committee staff were provided with
these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke
(35:44):
to the Inspector General's office and corroborated the information Groosh
had provided for the classified complaint. Grush left the government
on April seventh, twenty twenty three, in order, he said,
to advance government accountability. Well, all right, Grush through public awareness.
He remains well supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources
have vouched for his credibility. I'm liking this guy his assertion,
(36:09):
but again, it's government. I'm sorry. His assertion concerning the
existence of terrestrial arms race occurring subrosa over the past
eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin
is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at
least some of these technologies of unknown origin derived from
(36:30):
non human intelligence, said Carl Nell, the retired Army colonel
who worked with Groosh on the UAP task Force. In
the twenty twenty two performance evaluation, Laura Potter, Deputy Chief
of Staff for Intelligence Headquarters, Department of the Army, described
now as an officer with the strongest possible moral compass.
Groosh is represented by Charles mc mcgullough, the third senior
(36:53):
partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and
the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirm the
US Senate in twenty eleven. At that time, McCullough, I
hope I'm saying that right. Reported directly to the then
Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence
officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations. On May twenty
(37:17):
twenty two, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concerns complaint
of reprisal on behalf of Groosh with the ICIG about
detailed information that Groosh had gathered beginning in twenty nineteen
while working for the UP Task Force. An unclassified version
of the complaint provided to US states at Groosh has
(37:37):
direct knowledge that uIP related classified information has been withheld
and or concealed from Congress by elements of the Intelligence Committee,
and we heard that part to purposely intentionally thwart legitimate
Congressional oversight of the UP program. All testimony Groosh provided
for the classified complaint has provided under both Wow, I
(38:02):
cannot believe how huge this article is. There's so much
more to read here, and I'm gonna kind of do
it in little divisions. Come about that because I want
to get some other comments in here. But you guys,
you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
We'll be right back, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi
Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are going through the debrief dot org.
We are going through this whistleblowing UFO David Gruch. He
is laying it down, absolutely, telling what he knows about
(39:00):
the truth and what has been hidden out there in
the world when it comes to retrieving craft and knowing
about them for decades people decades. So continuing this article
and then I'm going to go into some commentary on us,
because wow is a mouthful, all right. So, according to
the Unclassified Complaints, in July twenty twenty one, Brush had
confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector
(39:25):
General concerning the withholding of UAP related information from Congress.
He believed that his identity and the fact that he
had provided testimony were disclosed to individuals and or entities
within the Department of Defense and the intelligence community outside
the IG's office. You don't say, hmm, I can't understand
(39:50):
why they would do such a thing. They have protections
out there now, right, Yeah, he did not allege that
this information was improper disclosed by any member of that office,
but as a result Groosh suffered months of retaliation and
reprisals related to these disclosures, beginning in twenty twenty one.
(40:12):
He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to
protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation. The Intelligence Community
Inspector General found this complaint credible and urgent in July
twenty twenty two. According to Grush, a summary was immediately
submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Hines or Haines,
(40:32):
the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and the House Permanent
Select Committee on Intelligence. The complaint was drafted and signed
by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grush's
signature attached to his statement that I do solemnly affirm,
under the policies of perjury, that the contents of the
foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of
(40:54):
my knowledge. A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Groosch
began his committeecation with the staff of the Congressional intelligence
committees in private, closed door sessions. According to Groosh, certain
information which he obtained in his investigation could not be
put before congressional staffer is because they did not have
the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
I'm reading it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Fast, guys, the representative of the House Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence told us in March. Yet the committee members
are not able to comment on the content of a
complaint or confirm the identity of a complainant. And this
is the quote. When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP
activities in conventional SAPCAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation
(41:44):
related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to
various oversight authorities, you have a problem, Groosh said, referencing
the highly secret special access programs and controlled access programs.
Grush's willing us to take risks and speak appears to
be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency,
(42:06):
like myself, as I'm doing right now talking about my
father and his involvement with some things. But I can't
prove anything, right, all right, So Jonathan Gray, the intelligence
officer specializing UAP analysis at the National Air and Space
Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified
here under the identity he uses inside the agency. NASIK,
(42:28):
headquartered in Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is a Department
of Defence's primary Air Force source for foreign air and
space threat analysis. My dad was over there. Its mission
is to discover and characterize air, space, missile and cyber threats.
According to the agency's website, the center's team of trusted
(42:49):
subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, analytic capabilities not
found elsewhere. Gray said that such immense capabilities are not
merely relegated to the study of the prosaic. This is
a quote. The existence of complex historical programs involving the
coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials dating back to
(43:12):
the early twentieth century should no longer remain a secret.
What did he say that? That's amazing. The majority of
retrieved for ing exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation
and origin, but not all in any number higher than
zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage.
(43:38):
It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward,
as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other
agencies with regard to UAP. And this is a quote.
A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space
based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically intriplicate
(43:58):
to observe the accurately identify the out of this world nature,
performance and design of these anomalous machines, which are then
determined not to be of earthly origin. It's not something Melon.
The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has
been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress
(44:20):
and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic
retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of
Unexplained Objects was provided to staff members of the Senate
Armed Services Committee on October twenty first, twenty nineteen, and
to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later,
(44:41):
as reported by The New York Times. We all remember that,
don't we. So Mellon says that once the members of
Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their
staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a
position to quickly determine the truth if they have the
will to do so. So they got to still determine
the truth. Huh wow. This is an unprecedented oversight challenge
(45:05):
for the committees. But I believe we have leaders in
Congress who are up to the task. Mellan said, whoo
oh boy. I really want to end it there, I do,
I really do, but I want to talk to one
part of this article. Doctor Gary Nolan, a professor in
the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and renowned inventor
(45:26):
and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has
started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out
of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those
technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first
peer reviewed paper examining such materials. And this is the quote.
(45:46):
Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as
a grain of silicon, creating the underpinning of the integrated
circuits that underlie computation and now even artificial intelligence. Nolan
said studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could
lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity. He said, this
(46:08):
is the quote. What might be represented here could be
hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be
more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine
what we could do with even a grain of knowledge
about how they operate. Well, I think it was already
stated in here that different universities and those within them
(46:31):
were given this material already, right, So probably hasn't Stanford
has to be up the top of the list with it. So,
but I don't think everybody's comfortable in speaking to all
that they know just yet, not naming any names, just
saying because somebody's got this, somebody has this information. I mean,
(46:55):
my own father did and didn't say a word, did
not say a word, and he wasn't believed or trusted either.
So hey, let's go interrogate her his daughter. Yeah, so
where are we going with this? This is the last
quote I want to read from here. I hope this
revelation serves as an ontological shock, sociologically and provides a
(47:19):
generally uniting issue for nations of the world to reassess
their priorities grushe said, And again this from Leslie Keane.
Ralph Bloomenthal with Helen Cooper co authored on this. You know,
there's so much, there's so much to unpack here, guys,
we all knew well I was talking about it. Anyways.
(47:40):
You can't fully trust if there is a government entity
controlling this message when they have harassed people in these
fields for decades, harassed guys, I mean, been all over
their lives saying, you know, I'm gonna burn down your
fields farm. You're going to speak to that crash over
(48:02):
there in Roswell, I'm going to do this to you.
I'm going to do that to you. It's sad and terrific.
If they could do those things, there's an agenda and
there's a controlled message no matter what. So as our
governments tried to wrangle how to display the truth about
aliens and their existence and all that they have been
(48:22):
doing with them for so very long, let's look at
what the Church has said about this. So there was
a Time magazine article Elizabeth Dias wrote May fourteenth, twenty fourteen.
Pope Francis brought up Martians as he was preaching about
a specific New Testament story. Early Christians were wondering if
Jews and Gentiles could associate, and God gave the apostle
(48:43):
Peter a vision that salvation extended beyond the deepest cultural divides.
It was a moment of internal crisis for the early church.
Quote that was unthinkable. Francis explained and to show just
how unthinkable it was. He added, if, for example, tomorrow
an expedition of Martians came and some of them came
(49:03):
to us. Here Martians right green with that long nose
and big ears, just like children paint them, and one says,
but I want to be baptized, what would happen? The
church today should learn from the early church. France has
explained that it cannot close its doors to anyone that
which God has purified, as a scripture says, no one
(49:24):
can call profane. It was never the ministry to close
the door.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Never.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Well, isn't that interesting, you guys? So you know the
churches will need to explain that God is able to
create even outside of this planet, because I believe that,
and I still believe in God, I still know that
Jesus is real and all the in betweens. But oh,
it's going to be interesting this year to watch how
this all plays out, because they really have a playbook.
(49:54):
It feels anymore. All right, you guys, We've come to
the bottom of another fabulous program. Don't forget to go
to Shadowfolks dot com and also check out the outlanderscomic
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at one Heidi Hollis and at the Outlanders comic. This
is this is thought provoking stuff. Guys. We really need
(50:16):
to think about what is going on here? What is
the prize? What is it that people are aiming for?
God is good. God creates and aliens exist, and.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
So do we.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I haven't seen the ones with the big long nose
that Francis was speaking of, but hey, you know there
could be. I just hope that we learned to get
along better down here on this planet and create some balance.
All right, you guys, you have been listening to Dark
Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and
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