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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
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episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome to
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with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and
Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show.
Remember each week this is the place you go to
when you want to learn about what's going on out
there in the paranormal world, or u apology or cryptozoology,
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or any other mysterious topic where we are experiencing these
things on the real level. We're living and breathing witnesses
to some extraordinary events, and it's time that we start
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you want to be a guest on this show and
share your experiences, you are more than welcome. We are
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all learning and growing in this world, and this is
how we lift each other up, right, That's what we do,
and that's where we're going. Today's show is going to
be super special because I've mentioned on a few episodes
here about a topic I'm just stunned to even know exists,
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the theosophy to anthroposophy studies. I had no idea that's
such a thing existed. And a lot of you are going, well, Heidi,
come on now. I mean, I've had my head down.
I've been working on so many different things, and uh,
you know, I had some understandings of a lot of
similar things that are connected to this anthroposophy in particular,
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that has just floored me in recent months. I don't
even know how to express that. Like I've seen an experience.
It's a lot of strange things in this life, and
not many things leave me speechless. And I could tell
you I was pretty speechless and just in a weird
state when I realized this kind of stuff and knowledge
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was out there, and it was it was more it's
just the wording. It was a relief. It was a
relief that it existed because I have been trying to
launch and put out new information on things that a
lot of people just couldn't relate to. I mean, shadow
people hat man like what is that? And It's like, no,
this is a real thing, really honestly, and going around
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and talking to people and put it out there, write
some books, get on some shows, I mean everything I
could possibly do, and it's like, well, what drove you
to keep going? It's like because I knew the reality
and because of what I remember from outside of this place,
outside of this life. You know, a lot of people
say they remember choosing their parents or something. I don't
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remember that, but I haven't under standing memory, if you will.
That is a bit different than a lot of people.
And uh, you know, and it's like people like, well
just say it. I know how strange some of this
stuff can sound. And it's like, you know, I like
the fact that I'm able to relate to people more
than not. And sometimes people look for those things that
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they may consider to be a flag. No, that's too far.
It turned and back around and it's okay. But you know,
I relate to U having the the faith perspective that
a lot of people do, the faith based and that's uh.
I think that's more important looking at what we have
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in common more than differences. And you know, a lot
of people have experienced a lot of strange things, but
they just don't talk about it. They just don't and
then it sits there and festers, and they do deathbed
confessions about UFOs crashing, say, for instance, or having out
of body experience inces and seeing ghosts or demons. I
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was raising a haunted house. My dad did not ever
admit to have dealt with anything. Nothing. He made it
seem like we're all just nuts. But we knew we weren't.
I mean, yeah, we had our ourselves to support myself,
my siblings, my stepbrother, my stepmother. We experienced things, but
my dad, he wasn't budging. Turns out he had some
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of the worst experiences, but it just didn't want to
scare us because if he was scared, then we wouldn't
be able to tolerate it. And he was absolutely terrified.
So you see how these things happen. You know, I say,
I was an only child and I didn't have anybody
to bounce these ideas off from that I was experiencing,
and I would be alone. I would like been depressed,
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oppressed and maybe got puzz as for all I know.
I mean, because these things break you down, and when
they break you down, they gain access. Not cool. So
my dad did we felt he should do. And you know,
people in abert things differently for themselves and that's okay.
I mean, it happens, um, But yeah, so you know,
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I am hoping by sharing some things on this program
that it helps open up some ears, some eyes, souls, minds,
all that good stuff to try to grow, just just
in case, just in case, you just so happened to
come across anything I'm talking about here and would be like,
I remember that lady talking about that on that show,
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and I know what to do in this instance. So
that's all just planning the seed and don't worry, it's
positive seeds and yeah, it's all good. Um, I think
they're positive trying to um. So yeah, and UM, I
think it's important. So this show today is really really
special because dancing on the topic of anthroposophy. I had
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mentioned in a prior show that my friend had introduced
me to the topic and was just videos, you know,
and I'm like, anthroposophy. I can't even say the word,
and like the you know, theosophy? What is all this stuff?
You know? And um, And then got shown by Maureen
Sieberg this, um, this image is sculpture and it's like,
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what do you think of this? And it's like, oh, oh,
look at that. That's uh, that's hat Man. It's like,
what did you say? Like, that's hat Man, That's a
sculpture of hat Man? Who did hat Man? That's pretty
cool rendition of him. And to find out it was
a hundred year old sculpture from Rudolf Steiner and he
called it Ariman. Yeah, so essentially the devil and that's
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what hat Man is. The devil limiting human potential, creativity,
all these different things to try to hold down a
person's soul essentially. And so I reached out to the
Anthroposophy Society of Folks UM to try to learn some
of this stuff, like what what is this about? And
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I've had a few conversations and uh, and I was
really fortunate to meet a very nice gentleman that I'm
going to have on the show here today that took
the time to explain a little bit about it. And uh,
because again I'm I was floored. I don't even want
to tell you how long I was floored for, but
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it was a while that, uh, there was a relation
out there to something so similar, so close, and it said,
you know, it's one thing to be this individual going, uh,
that's hat Man. You know, that's hat Man right there, Raman,
whatever you want to call them, that's hat Man. And
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then to learn these things that tie and bind to
being the actual phenomenon's going on today, and then get
some clarification with Andrew Lynnell, who's coming on the program here.
I mean, wow, just wow, I'm just yeah, I was
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told from the powers that be. I guess you could
say that there were others who had an understanding about
what it was I was working on, but I didn't
know it was somebody from a hundred years ago. I
didn't know that. Um, so I really shook up my
world that way too. But you know, more than anything.
As soon as I learned about the connection with hat
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Man and this Araman is um, I jumped up and
down for joy. I'm not kidding, and I said, I
found you. I found you. I found you, I found you,
I found you. I know who you are. And to
think that there's something written yea even better. This is
awesome to the degree. So um yeah, So I'm I'm
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still I'm still just letting it sink in and uh.
And it's so weird. It's like I'm so much a
part of what's happening today and people ask me, you know,
what's the history of this or history of that, and
it's like, you know, history is backstory, that's interesting, but
what's going on today is so important. It takes too
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much energy to dig up bones, you know. Um, But
I get it. I get it, and there's people who
really dig into that. And I have such a drive
that's going forward because I'm worried for what hat Man
or Ariman is up to today shadow people and the
whole agenda and why it's increasing and why it's a
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widespread and why people are still every day going, oh
my goodness. I thought I was the only one dealing
with these things, why this is going on right now.
So I am so overly anxious to keep going forward
and not wasting time. As neat as it is, I'm
learning some things for sure. It's thrilling. And so we're
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going to touch a little bit on the historical elements
of Ariman Rudolf Steiner anthroposophy and what is going on
with these different angles, and and something called the A
sphere as well, and I did do a program talking
about the A sphere and and how I'm pretty certain
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that is the understanding I have is that it's right
here kind of looping into our world today. That's why
ghosts aren't always seen touching the floor, because they're kind
of all already stuck in this A sphere. Trapping of
souls and and trapping of souls is what hat Man
does and shadow people work for so um it's just
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so wild to have all these things pulled together. But again,
it's like the historical elements, I get it, it's important.
I'm not I'm not a person that specializes in such
a thing, but it's always neat to learn, and this
is a place to learn. And you're going to really
really enjoy the conversation we're going to have here next
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because Andrew Lynnell has a very unique organization because there's
something going on. Okay, so imagine this when humans are
not creative and not building and looking and innovating and
doing things, and we put all of our energy into
like all watching the same TV show or something like
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I don't know, Brazilian gazillion people. You're not getting really
creative during those moments. Are you looking at somebody else's creation.
You're not doing a whole heck of a lot. And
that is a problem. So our energy is getting absorbed
into this one thing. And this is why hat Man
goes after the creatives, the artists. And something that Andrew
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told me after this interview was that it makes sense
because artists, they actually interpret the spiritual realm. They create
art here for us all to enjoy. And I always thought,
you know, us artists, we just pay attention more. We
do interpret the creation that's around us, and we create
as well. So very very very very fascinating. So you
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Just before the break, I mentioned we have a great guest.
I have Andrew Lennell, who is a co founder of Mystic,
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relationship of mankind two machine which is supportive of our
evolutionary goals. Andrew's career in the computer field led to
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He is president of the Boston branch of the Anthroposophical Society,
author of several books, father of three, and an Avid Gardner.
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So everybody please welcome Andrew Lynne now, and you know, Andrew,
I have to say it has been an absolute pleasure
getting to know you. I more recently got introduced to
the topic of anthroposophy started by Rudolf Steiner, and I
know my audience is a bit new to the topic,
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so I think it would be kind of net to
uh kind of. I don't know, how can you how
can you put that into a nice little box? And
I know it's a big one, but how do you
how do you tell people what anthroposophy is about? Oh? Boy,
I guess I probably should have prepare it even more.
But one phrase it often works is spiritual science. What
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anthroposophy wants to try to do is extend the sciences
beyond what science has self limited itself to, which is
the world of what is dead. And so when they
study something, they take it apart, they kill it. What
the anthroposophy want wishes to do is extend that as
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a science into what we will call the living element.
Some people call it chi or prana an anthroposophy, it's
often called the etheric realm. So uh, And you can
see that as a science, one needs to develop capacities
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to be able to experience this further realm that is
not one that you can perceive with the physical senses.
So to develop those organs of perception is something that's
been around for time memorial. It's a meditative practice as well.
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Then to develop those senses of perception. Wow, that's that's it.
But I like that spiritual science though, that that's something
that you don't hear every day. That's for certain, that's true.
And although I think there are a number of spiritual
groups that have liked that and want to associate themselves
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with that, and that's fine. UM, you know it, I
would say, yes, the possibly does not say that they
are the exclusive owner of spiritual truth by any means.
But there's shall we say, a kind of reticent to
go to UM, a kind of spirituality that is all
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in the feeling realm and cannot be brought down into
a science. For example, anything that is done through UH
drug enhancement, it would not be considered part of a
spiritual science because it would be very difficult to have
repeatable experiments and to be able to use scientific methods
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in that kind of research. Interesting, I have heard of
people using various drugs to have these out of body
experiences and try to gain knowledge from those other levels
as well, So I think that's cheating but UM, but
you're also saying that it's not measurable. But are they
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actually retrieving the right information when they're doing that? You know?
That's one of the questions. And what Rudolf Steiner would
have said is that UM this is something that can
maybe awaken people two things, but then they need to
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leave it behind in order to really develop the the
spiritual science. Um, what you experience in the spiritual world, Uh,
you know, it's going to be all the spiritual beings
that are there. So some of the beings that are
there are going to try to deceive you because they
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have their purpose for doing that, and other beings are
going to try to be helpful to human evolution and
to assist you in your quest for a spiritual science.
And so one has to be able to really discern
when they're there, what's what that makes sense? How can
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you tell us a bit about it? Off Steiner. I mean,
I feel like I've been like having my head in
the in the sand or something. I'm like, Oh, is
this person? What has he done? He sounds like he
was way ahead of his time. Well, it's hard to say, um,
I had of one's time. In some respects, you could
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say he was kind of late showing up. But there's
uh a lot of what he brought there at the
turn of the century. So let me back up. He
was born in eighteen sixty one and died in nineteen
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and in his death has been by many accounts attributed
to an attempt to poison him. And there were a
number of occasions where uh, he was given poison, and
there were a number of occasions where people did try
to um take his life. So uh, and I don't
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know if you know this, but um In at some
point in his career he had enough support to build
a building which was to be a kind of temple
in which people who came in and experienced the forms
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in the in these spaces within it and the art
would have an opening of their spiritual organs of perception,
maybe not two to full consciousness, but enough so so
that they would want to pursue that. And this building
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soon after it was finished and arsonists slipped in burn
it down. And it's uh, there's a number of people
that have written about it. There's one of the spear
of destiny. So I say these things because it's almost
impossible to prove it. There was no investigation, and Strainer
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himself wanted people to essentially not forget it, but to
move on, to focus on rebuilding. And I think he
knew he was going to die soon because of all
of this attempt to bring an end to his life.
And all of the attempts at poisoning him. So that
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building was rebuilt and unfortunately not out of wood. And
as something Steiner said, with the money from the insurance
companies that they were, um, you know, wishing they didn't
have to give it away. So but he was, he was,
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so he wasn't. Uh. He designed this building. He taught
different things, like tell us that I know that he's
got like a whole like resume of different hats than
he wore. Can you tell us some of them? Yes, heide, definitely,
he was the architect. He founded a whole new school
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of architecture. UH. In the arts, a new form of
human movement called you rhythmic, which tries to make speech
and music visible. And this also works into the sciences
of trying to make certain qualities in matter in in
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uh the subject of investigation to be able to determine qualities,
so you would have to find ways to make those visible.
So there's a lot of new scientific techniques that others
have tried to copy or come through their own methods
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to trying to also make visible things that are otherwise invisible. Um,
you know, just what makes a food equality And this
gets into one of the other areas that he founded
called biodynamics. There's a wonderful book by a professor at
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Harvard Divinity School called eco Alchemy, which is about the
biodynamic movement. And many people don't know this, but Silent Spring,
written by Rachel Carson, was based on a biodynamic farm
on Long Island run by the sister of Benjamin Spock,
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who was the famous baby doctor, Marjorie Spock, and she
sued her town to tell them to not spray D
D T on her property that she was trying to
build a farm out of wholeness and wanted the insects there.
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So uh, Rachel, in covering the trial, came up with
the idea for Silent Spring, and so that started the
whole ecological movement and environmental movements fascinating, so many different
arms to hit his work. It just blows my mind.
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Like these uh Waldorf schools, am I saying that, right?
Those are very popular all over the world. Correct, Yes,
they are there. They are indeed all over the world,
and they they've had a lot of very interesting graduates.
I have, um my own my own kids went to
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a Waldor school, and that's in a way what brought
me to Anthon possibly was Waldor schools. I had been
introduced to it before, but it was really through experiencing
wald Work education, wishing I had had at my education,
but just seeing what it did for my three kids.
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I was so impressed. I then went and studied a
lot more and a lot more seriously fascinating. Well, we've
got to get to our first break. Um, so wow,
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waiting for you now dot Com welcome back. You are
listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m
pro normal podcast network, And I have Andrew Linnell. He
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is from miss Tech and uh we're talking a bit
about something called anthroposophy that was essentially came out of
theosophy by Rudolf Steiner. And Wow, what an amazing man.
And I've literally more recently started to learn about his
work and uh, there's something I wanted to get into
with you, uh, Andrew, because this really just kind of
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jarred my world. So I have certain understandings coming from
a whole different perspective. I have memories of other things
that outside of this life, if that makes sense. But
I've talked to you before, so you know what I'm
speaking of. Um, and uh, you know. So I have
a good friend Maureen Seabrook. She uh, I was trying
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to get me to listen to this anthroposophy line of
knowledge and uh on some videos and I'm like, I
can't even say that word right, And I don't you know,
it's just hurting my head, and so I tried to
listen and then she's like, hey, what do you think
of this this image the sculpture here, and and I'm like, well,
who did a sculpture of hat Man? And she's like
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what did she say? I'm like, well, that's hat Man,
that's what he looks like. And she's like, this is
a hundred years old and Rudolf Steiner did it, Ariman,
and everything just shook for me, like what you know,
Like I was literally instructed from this other time as
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other life about warning people about this thing to come
um and the shadow people hat Man and the downfall
that it was going to do to mankind. And I
knew there were others here, but I surely didn't know
word look because you know, here I am sitting as
having introduced two whole paranormal phenomena and nobody ever heard of.
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And so it's been just one level after another trying
to peel the layers and try to explain these things
to people. So it's been a lonely battle. And then
I get this and I'm like, and I get introduced
to you through the ant anthroposophy society. I reached out
and you are kind enough to take the time to go, oh, okay,
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So I'm curious what your thoughts are on Batman being Ariman,
because everything is so parallel from what I'm seeing. Yeah,
you even have a very interesting name for the radio
show of Dark Becomes Light, right, So, and and what's
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interesting is you can almost say that's in this sculpture
by Rudel Steiner and um Edith Marian was an assistant
for that. Um And what Steiner was trying to show
is that in our Western culture we have called a
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being by the name of Lucifer. You all know this name.
That name means the bear of light. We've made this
into the being of darkness. So we've gone from the
light into the dark and our thinking and made one being.
Steiner said, no, no, no, it's not one thing. Lucifer
still exists. He's still the light there, and he leads
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us astray when we try to leave the earth before
our time and try to enter the spiritual world as
angelic beings without finishing our work as human beings. And so,
as you know, Lucifer, well, sorry, as you know, most
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people are somewhat familiar with the Biblical passages in Genesis
that talk about how humanity once existed in a different
state called Eden. This was before we had physical bodies.
And at that time Lucifer was successful and bringing his
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influence into human evolution. That caused humanity to have to
change its course of evolution, the so called fall. And
in order for this fall to have some place to
fall to, Araman or hat Man was brought into human
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evolution as the balance to what Lucifer had already brought
into our human evolution as it had been intended. And
so there are periods, and you've probably heard of kine
enable they represent this transition period from Eden to Earth.
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And during this period of time Ariman is able and
this was allowed Um to have his own beings become
part of the making of this human physical body. So
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the human physical body is something that we exist within
through incarnation after incarnation only for a temporary period of thousands,
tens of thousands of years UM. But still it's temporary,
and this will eventually come to an end. Uh. And
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during this whole period of time, an aromanic being joins
us in the body but or birth and leaves us
just before death. We carry that being within us, but
you have to see that Um. You, each each individual
is the one sitting on the throne. You're the king
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or queen of your being, and Lucifer and are amand
are like the two advisors whispering in our ears all
the time. But when we're in our daytime consciousness, we're
the ones that sit on the throne and make the decision.
But people abdicate this all the time. And this is
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we were talking about taking drugs and so on. It
becomes very easy with alcohol and drugs to abdicate that
role and allow the drugs or the alcohol to take
over that role. And when you do, then Lucifer and
armand either one of them can then start being there. Now,
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Lucifer had an incarnation about five thousand years ago in
this being, what we will call the balancer or the
Christ consciousness that can be in us, had his incarnation
at where Christianity places it, um And and I would
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just add Christ entered the body of Jesus at the baptism,
So Christ was here for just three years. And our
amand has an incarnation coming up any day now, so
to speak. And in this movement you can see Lucifer's
incarnation was in China, Christ in the Middle East, so
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our Amand's will be in the West. And what our Amandum,
what he brings is this quality of the physical world
that is lifeless, and he tries to bring everything down
to the lifeless tremendous intelligence. And so you can see
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Araman at work and all the mechanical all the computers,
all the Internet and that sort of stuff as a
preparation for his coming incarnation. And what you mentioned this
tech that organization is trying to do is to overcome
the fear, because when you learn this kind of stuff,
it can become very fearful, and people want to withdraw
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and become neo amish, which isn't what Straina wanted. Strainer
would call that spiritual cowardice. But so it does raise questions,
how do we protect ourselves? How do you know five
g and and other sorts of things. Are they affecting
us in? The answer is yes, they do affect us.
But can you be healthy in this? Can you rise
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up in a certain sense to a higher awakening because
of all that's going on? So ill And I asked,
can I ask you that? Um? Okay, So some of
the stuff that you're mentioning I mean, I'm still learning,
you know, this perspective of the anthroposophy and uh Rudolf
Steiner and what he taught. Um. But it's it's interesting.
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I mean, it's like whoa stuff I've never heard of?
But um, I'm I'm curious about this element of the technology.
One thing that I know about the Hatman phenomenon is
that he tries to get people, especially who are gifted,
who has certain insight, uh, those who are creative, and
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he really hones in on those people and really goes
after them. And people are like, I must have done
something horrible in a past life, or maybe I'm doing
something horrible now that Why is he so attracted to me?
Why is he wreaking havoc on my life? And I'm like, well,
you know, what do you do? You know? Are you
able to see certain things outside of what others could see?
You know? So it seems like he's limited ing the
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human potential is what I feel and what I was
told this is what hat Man will do. And he's
trapping souls, He's trapping them. And then I learned of
this thing called the Eighth Sphere and I almost fell
off my chair. I'm like, this is so him. This
is so exactly what I was told to know and
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teach and tell people about. So tell us a little
bit about the eighth sphere, like, what is that about? So? Um?
There are seven spears of existence in which humanity will
participate and an eighth sphere that will take us out
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of that seven sphere evolutionary path. Um. This sounds complicated,
and it sounds kind of weird, but I will point
your listeners to a branch of astrophysics called metalists tea
that says the solar system, in order to have the
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heavy metals, must have had three prior incarnations, if you
call a solar system having an incarnation, and so this
would be the fourth. That agrees totally. And the Steiner
was way before this metalist city came into being, saying
that there this is the fourth. There are names to them,
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and they follow the names of the days of the week.
So Saturn, Sun, Moon, and Earth is encompassing Mars in mercury,
and then we go to Jupiter Venus, and then the
octave for Saturn has a name called Vulcan, which is
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the Latin name of Feiastus is the Greek name which
is interestingly the god of technology. It's also one of
the sons of zeus Um, and so we're in a
sense inherit the spiritual world from Zoos. When the time
comes around, we will hold it right there. You guys
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Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast am Ternimo podcast network. And I have Andrew
Lynn now and he was just chatting with us about
the Eighth Sphere and giving some details on what that
all means. And uh, I'll let you continue to take
it from there. And okay, Well, so this hat man
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or Armand wants to thwart That's why he's brought in
in a sense to be the obstacle for humanity to
become angelic like beings. And so in bringing that opposition
or this hindrance, his goal, you could say, is to
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make us like machines, to be intelligent automatons. And oh,
by the way, Lucifer would like for us to be
moral automatons. And the balance in between that is to
be free, moral and wisdom filled beings. Now that aid
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sphere would come about in the future, and in some
respects it's already beginning through our adherence to materialism. Materialism
materialism played a part in the development of our freedom.
We needed to become separated from the spiritual world or
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we could not have developed freedom. So that occurred back
in the thirteenth century um and but carryovers from that
continued right up until about the middle of the nineteenth century.
And so finally we've attained this freedom. And so now
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is the time when armand can start using our freedom
and have us choose a path which says mockingly, oh,
that spiritual world, what a bunch of malarkey. That is,
the only reality is physical reality. And so as people
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then say, I'm not going to do anything towards my development.
I'm just going to be fat, dumb and happy here
in the physical world, they are making a choice. Sorry,
maybe I use some long good effecurean approach to things,
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but so they would. They are choosing to follow the
path that is one whispered in their ear by the
aromanic being that exists within them. And so that will
lead them to going out of human evolution by their
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own free will. It's their own free choice to do so.
And so you know what's interesting to me too. You
know so many people I've met even that are addicted
to video games as virtual reality, and it's I keep
telling people, I'm like, imagine it was a team of
people who created that, and you all are just fixated
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on their creation instead of living your own creation, you know,
And it's it's a shame. It's like a waste of soul,
energy and mind and body. People just waste away into this.
So I could see that fear. And I've known people
that have gone through addiction withdrawal from video games and
their technology. There's a whole field of psychology on this
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now too, and places like in Koreans, in South Korean,
it's in soul. There's you know, it's it's rampant in
the world. And I know several um friends of um,
children of my acquaintances who, like you said, have become addicted.
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They cannot live their lives and they can't. They can't,
so in my stick, so tell us a bit of
about that. So you said that, and this is your
your your organization, and so you're trying to find a
healthy balance. So people are not doing these things. So
tell us the website and tell us about what you're doing.
The website you mentioned miss text, so it's M Y
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A S T E c h dot org and that
stands for the Mysteries of Technology. The goal is to
bring about an ability for a machine to operate when
it's operator, as a human being, has a moral impulse,
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and so it will operate in a what's called a
mechanical occultism. Um, you won't the person won't actually have
to go to the machine to turn it on. It
is their impulse that comes. Sorry. The anthroposophy has a
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fourfold model of the human being. Something called the I
am as our center, something that is like a sheath
around that called our astral body, where all our emotions
are housed. And then our life body, where the physical
body blueprint is, and then the physical body where we
(50:25):
take on mineral substance and become visible in the physical
All four of these have roles in our development. In
this tech is trying to find a way that this
moral impulse comes through the astral and then resonates in
the etheric, such that a machine will resonate inside with
(50:46):
that resident frequency such that it knows this is a
moral impulse in what to do. So that's a major
undertaking as we try to get there. We are trying
to bring about an education in humanity about spiritual science,
about man machine inter you know, interactions and relationships. So
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we do that through study groups and an annual conference.
This year, our annual conferences the twelfth and the fifteenth
of August, and the mystech dot org website has plenty
of information for people. We try to make it as
inexpensive as possible so anybody can come to that. So
this will be our worth year doing it. It's organization
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really interesting, it's fascinating. I mean, I'm it's so it's
got so many different layers, like it's just things that
you know, I think a lot of us that, you know,
I've been looking into these more interesting topics for a
long time and I don't know how I skipped this.
I just it's it's something that's been there. It's so
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widespread and there's so many different, uh individual study groups
and UM It's it's just mind blowing. Now what you
said something about Ariman about to um reincarnate soon. Was
there there was something that Rudolf Steiner had said a
hundred years from his time is when he would surface.
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I just can't think it's a coincidence that hat Man
connecting the two. I'm like, my, I mean, I think
I twice fell off a chair when I heard that.
You know, I'm like, you have got to be kidding me,
you know, I'm just knocked me over with a feather.
This is a lot to take in, Um, I mean,
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what do you think people should be doing right now?
Knowing that? Uh? Well, and it's also important to note
that I'm Christian and you're this is also kind of
a Christian um perspective to that the anthroposophy has so um,
I mean, what do you think people should be doing
if we're to be facing good versus evil pretty much
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any day now, or good versus two evils and that
but the two evils can be balanced out. Uh. There's
so much that could be said. And I'm so thankful
to you that you didn't go crazy over what you
had found in yourself about hat Man, because many people
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do begin to lose themselves and go crazy when they
are having spiritual experiences because the world tells them they're crazy.
They're having these spiritual experiences. And you know, I was
in the computer field forty two years. I'm retired now
from it, and I couldn't speak about these things there
(53:47):
because they would you know, would have ruined my career.
They would have thought always crazy. I had to wait
till I've retired to start bringing this stuff out. But
that these times are changing. And as you said, it
won't be a reincarnation. It will be his first and only,
just as Christ had one and only and Lucifer have
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one and only. Humans have lots of them. But uh,
and and that will be in America, he said early
in the third millennium, but didn't tie it down much
more than that. Um, I have through a number of
things put uh an approximate date around thirty three. I
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think there's going to be a lot more preparation. So
what you're seeing now is the preparation for this incarnation.
And you know, things like neural link um other sorts
of brain computer interfaces. I think those will be in
existence by the time he incarnates, as well as UH,
(54:53):
prosthetic limbs, where people will say, you know, that's a
lot better than have me to go and work out
ninety minutes every day in the gym. I'm just gonna
jump off my arms and get those process. That's really scary, Andrew,
that's really scary. I'm just I don't know. I mean,
(55:14):
it's a it's a fascinating, uh future that we're about
to step into, and a scary one. But there's always hope.
I always say, you know, good wins in the end.
So wow. They also the challenges, so yes, and you
mentioned being Christian. I can't say that we're Christian in
the way that a Christian church could accept us because
(55:39):
reincarnation isn't accepted in Christianity. But it's so interesting, isn't
it id today that so many people who believe in
Christianity also believe in reincarnation and in this case, you
know this would fit right. Oh my goodness. Well, Andrew Lynnelle,
I have to thank you so much for coming on
the program. This was really deep. I might have to
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have you come back on just to like explain it again.
But thank you so much, Andrew lynnell And uh, everybody
go to miss tech dot org and that's M Y
S T. E. C. H. Wow. You guys remember to
go to shadow folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com.
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Send over your comments, your experiences, anything and everything out
of the ordinary, and I will definitely address it here
on the show. Don't forget make it as long as
you want. This has been a really fascinating conversation. I
am always open to learning about new things, and I
hope you are too. We don't have to make it
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a certain religious belief or anything like that, but just
be open and prepared just in case you come across
something like these things. All right, you've been listening to
Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I
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all learning and growing in this world, and this is
how we lift each other up, right, That's what we do,
and that's where we're going. Today's show is going to
be super special because I've mentioned on a few episodes
here about a topic I'm just stunned to even know exists,
(02:27):
the theosophy to anthroposophy studies. I had no idea that's
such a thing existed. And a lot of you are going, well, Heidi,
come on now. I mean, I've had my head down.
I've been working on so many different things, and uh,
you know, I had some understandings of a lot of
similar things that are connected to this anthroposophy in particular,
(02:52):
that has just floored me in recent months. I don't
even know how to express that. Like I've seen an experience.
It's a lot of strange things in this life, and
not many things leave me speechless. And I could tell
you I was pretty speechless and just in a weird
state when I realized this kind of stuff and knowledge
(03:15):
was out there, and it was it was more it's
just the wording. It was a relief. It was a
relief that it existed because I have been trying to
launch and put out new information on things that a
lot of people just couldn't relate to. I mean, shadow
people hat man like what is that? And It's like, no,
this is a real thing, really honestly, and going around
(03:36):
and talking to people and put it out there, write
some books, get on some shows, I mean everything I
could possibly do, and it's like, well, what drove you
to keep going? It's like because I knew the reality
and because of what I remember from outside of this place,
outside of this life. You know, a lot of people
say they remember choosing their parents or something. I don't
(03:57):
remember that, but I haven't under standing memory, if you will.
That is a bit different than a lot of people.
And uh, you know, and it's like people like, well
just say it. I know how strange some of this
stuff can sound. And it's like, you know, I like
the fact that I'm able to relate to people more
than not. And sometimes people look for those things that
(04:21):
they may consider to be a flag. No, that's too far.
It turned and back around and it's okay. But you know,
I relate to U having the the faith perspective that
a lot of people do, the faith based and that's uh.
I think that's more important looking at what we have
(04:41):
in common more than differences. And you know, a lot
of people have experienced a lot of strange things, but
they just don't talk about it. They just don't and
then it sits there and festers, and they do deathbed
confessions about UFOs crashing, say, for instance, or having out
of body experience inces and seeing ghosts or demons. I
(05:03):
was raising a haunted house. My dad did not ever
admit to have dealt with anything. Nothing. He made it
seem like we're all just nuts. But we knew we weren't.
I mean, yeah, we had our ourselves to support myself,
my siblings, my stepbrother, my stepmother. We experienced things, but
my dad, he wasn't budging. Turns out he had some
(05:25):
of the worst experiences, but it just didn't want to
scare us because if he was scared, then we wouldn't
be able to tolerate it. And he was absolutely terrified.
So you see how these things happen. You know, I say,
I was an only child and I didn't have anybody
to bounce these ideas off from that I was experiencing,
and I would be alone. I would like been depressed,
(05:47):
oppressed and maybe got puzz as for all I know.
I mean, because these things break you down, and when
they break you down, they gain access. Not cool. So
my dad did we felt he should do. And you know,
people in abert things differently for themselves and that's okay.
I mean, it happens, um, But yeah, so you know,
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I am hoping by sharing some things on this program
that it helps open up some ears, some eyes, souls, minds,
all that good stuff to try to grow, just just
in case, just in case, you just so happened to
come across anything I'm talking about here and would be like,
I remember that lady talking about that on that show,
(06:29):
and I know what to do in this instance. So
that's all just planning the seed and don't worry, it's
positive seeds and yeah, it's all good. Um, I think
they're positive trying to um. So yeah, and UM, I
think it's important. So this show today is really really
special because dancing on the topic of anthroposophy. I had
(06:54):
mentioned in a prior show that my friend had introduced
me to the topic and was just videos, you know,
and I'm like, anthroposophy. I can't even say the word,
and like the you know, theosophy? What is all this stuff?
You know? And um, And then got shown by Maureen
Sieberg this, um, this image is sculpture and it's like,
(07:15):
what do you think of this? And it's like, oh, oh,
look at that. That's uh, that's hat Man. It's like,
what did you say? Like, that's hat Man, That's a
sculpture of hat Man? Who did hat Man? That's pretty
cool rendition of him. And to find out it was
a hundred year old sculpture from Rudolf Steiner and he
called it Ariman. Yeah, so essentially the devil and that's
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what hat Man is. The devil limiting human potential, creativity,
all these different things to try to hold down a
person's soul essentially. And so I reached out to the
Anthroposophy Society of Folks UM to try to learn some
of this stuff, like what what is this about? And
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I've had a few conversations and uh, and I was
really fortunate to meet a very nice gentleman that I'm
going to have on the show here today that took
the time to explain a little bit about it. And uh,
because again I'm I was floored. I don't even want
to tell you how long I was floored for, but
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it was a while that, uh, there was a relation
out there to something so similar, so close, and it said,
you know, it's one thing to be this individual going, uh,
that's hat Man. You know, that's hat Man right there, Raman,
whatever you want to call them, that's hat Man. And
(08:38):
then to learn these things that tie and bind to
being the actual phenomenon's going on today, and then get
some clarification with Andrew Lynnell, who's coming on the program here.
I mean, wow, just wow, I'm just yeah, I was
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told from the powers that be. I guess you could
say that there were others who had an understanding about
what it was I was working on, but I didn't
know it was somebody from a hundred years ago. I
didn't know that. Um, so I really shook up my
world that way too. But you know, more than anything.
As soon as I learned about the connection with hat
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Man and this Araman is um, I jumped up and
down for joy. I'm not kidding, and I said, I
found you. I found you. I found you, I found you,
I found you. I know who you are. And to
think that there's something written yea even better. This is
awesome to the degree. So um yeah, So I'm I'm
(09:44):
still I'm still just letting it sink in and uh.
And it's so weird. It's like I'm so much a
part of what's happening today and people ask me, you know,
what's the history of this or history of that, and
it's like, you know, history is backstory, that's interesting, but
what's going on today is so important. It takes too
(10:05):
much energy to dig up bones, you know. Um, But
I get it. I get it, and there's people who
really dig into that. And I have such a drive
that's going forward because I'm worried for what hat Man
or Ariman is up to today shadow people and the
whole agenda and why it's increasing and why it's a
(10:26):
widespread and why people are still every day going, oh
my goodness. I thought I was the only one dealing
with these things, why this is going on right now.
So I am so overly anxious to keep going forward
and not wasting time. As neat as it is, I'm
learning some things for sure. It's thrilling. And so we're
(10:51):
going to touch a little bit on the historical elements
of Ariman Rudolf Steiner anthroposophy and what is going on
with these different angles, and and something called the A
sphere as well, and I did do a program talking
about the A sphere and and how I'm pretty certain
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that is the understanding I have is that it's right
here kind of looping into our world today. That's why
ghosts aren't always seen touching the floor, because they're kind
of all already stuck in this A sphere. Trapping of
souls and and trapping of souls is what hat Man
does and shadow people work for so um it's just
(11:34):
so wild to have all these things pulled together. But again,
it's like the historical elements, I get it, it's important.
I'm not I'm not a person that specializes in such
a thing, but it's always neat to learn, and this
is a place to learn. And you're going to really
really enjoy the conversation we're going to have here next
(11:54):
because Andrew Lynnell has a very unique organization because there's
something going on. Okay, so imagine this when humans are
not creative and not building and looking and innovating and
doing things, and we put all of our energy into
like all watching the same TV show or something like
(12:16):
I don't know, Brazilian gazillion people. You're not getting really
creative during those moments. Are you looking at somebody else's creation.
You're not doing a whole heck of a lot. And
that is a problem. So our energy is getting absorbed
into this one thing. And this is why hat Man
goes after the creatives, the artists. And something that Andrew
(12:38):
told me after this interview was that it makes sense
because artists, they actually interpret the spiritual realm. They create
art here for us all to enjoy. And I always thought,
you know, us artists, we just pay attention more. We
do interpret the creation that's around us, and we create
as well. So very very very very fascinating. So you
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Just before the break, I mentioned we have a great guest.
I have Andrew Lennell, who is a co founder of Mystic,
a nonprofit anthroposophical organization devoted to the cultivation of a
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relationship of mankind two machine which is supportive of our
evolutionary goals. Andrew's career in the computer field led to
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He is president of the Boston branch of the Anthroposophical Society,
author of several books, father of three, and an Avid Gardner.
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So everybody please welcome Andrew Lynne now, and you know, Andrew,
I have to say it has been an absolute pleasure
getting to know you. I more recently got introduced to
the topic of anthroposophy started by Rudolf Steiner, and I
know my audience is a bit new to the topic,
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so I think it would be kind of net to
uh kind of. I don't know, how can you how
can you put that into a nice little box? And
I know it's a big one, but how do you
how do you tell people what anthroposophy is about? Oh? Boy,
I guess I probably should have prepare it even more.
But one phrase it often works is spiritual science. What
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anthroposophy wants to try to do is extend the sciences
beyond what science has self limited itself to, which is
the world of what is dead. And so when they
study something, they take it apart, they kill it. What
the anthroposophy want wishes to do is extend that as
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a science into what we will call the living element.
Some people call it chi or prana an anthroposophy, it's
often called the etheric realm. So uh, And you can
see that as a science, one needs to develop capacities
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to be able to experience this further realm that is
not one that you can perceive with the physical senses.
So to develop those organs of perception is something that's
been around for time memorial. It's a meditative practice as well.
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Then to develop those senses of perception. Wow, that's that's it.
But I like that spiritual science though, that that's something
that you don't hear every day. That's for certain, that's true.
And although I think there are a number of spiritual
groups that have liked that and want to associate themselves
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with that, and that's fine. UM, you know it, I
would say, yes, the possibly does not say that they
are the exclusive owner of spiritual truth by any means.
But there's shall we say, a kind of reticent to
go to UM, a kind of spirituality that is all
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in the feeling realm and cannot be brought down into
a science. For example, anything that is done through UH
drug enhancement, it would not be considered part of a
spiritual science because it would be very difficult to have
repeatable experiments and to be able to use scientific methods
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in that kind of research. Interesting, I have heard of
people using various drugs to have these out of body
experiences and try to gain knowledge from those other levels
as well, So I think that's cheating but UM, but
you're also saying that it's not measurable. But are they
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actually retrieving the right information when they're doing that? You know?
That's one of the questions. And what Rudolf Steiner would
have said is that UM this is something that can
maybe awaken people two things, but then they need to
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leave it behind in order to really develop the the
spiritual science. Um, what you experience in the spiritual world, Uh,
you know, it's going to be all the spiritual beings
that are there. So some of the beings that are
there are going to try to deceive you because they
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have their purpose for doing that, and other beings are
going to try to be helpful to human evolution and
to assist you in your quest for a spiritual science.
And so one has to be able to really discern
when they're there, what's what that makes sense? How can
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you tell us a bit about it? Off Steiner. I mean,
I feel like I've been like having my head in
the in the sand or something. I'm like, Oh, is
this person? What has he done? He sounds like he
was way ahead of his time. Well, it's hard to say, um,
I had of one's time. In some respects, you could
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say he was kind of late showing up. But there's
uh a lot of what he brought there at the
turn of the century. So let me back up. He
was born in eighteen sixty one and died in nineteen
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and in his death has been by many accounts attributed
to an attempt to poison him. And there were a
number of occasions where uh, he was given poison, and
there were a number of occasions where people did try
to um take his life. So uh, and I don't
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know if you know this, but um In at some
point in his career he had enough support to build
a building which was to be a kind of temple
in which people who came in and experienced the forms
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in the in these spaces within it and the art
would have an opening of their spiritual organs of perception,
maybe not two to full consciousness, but enough so so
that they would want to pursue that. And this building
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soon after it was finished and arsonists slipped in burn
it down. And it's uh, there's a number of people
that have written about it. There's one of the spear
of destiny. So I say these things because it's almost
impossible to prove it. There was no investigation, and Strainer
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himself wanted people to essentially not forget it, but to
move on, to focus on rebuilding. And I think he
knew he was going to die soon because of all
of this attempt to bring an end to his life.
And all of the attempts at poisoning him. So that
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building was rebuilt and unfortunately not out of wood. And
as something Steiner said, with the money from the insurance
companies that they were, um, you know, wishing they didn't
have to give it away. So but he was, he was,
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so he wasn't. Uh. He designed this building. He taught
different things, like tell us that I know that he's
got like a whole like resume of different hats than
he wore. Can you tell us some of them? Yes, heide, definitely,
he was the architect. He founded a whole new school
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of architecture. UH. In the arts, a new form of
human movement called you rhythmic, which tries to make speech
and music visible. And this also works into the sciences
of trying to make certain qualities in matter in in
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uh the subject of investigation to be able to determine qualities,
so you would have to find ways to make those visible.
So there's a lot of new scientific techniques that others
have tried to copy or come through their own methods
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to trying to also make visible things that are otherwise invisible. Um,
you know, just what makes a food equality And this
gets into one of the other areas that he founded
called biodynamics. There's a wonderful book by a professor at
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Harvard Divinity School called eco Alchemy, which is about the
biodynamic movement. And many people don't know this, but Silent Spring,
written by Rachel Carson, was based on a biodynamic farm
on Long Island run by the sister of Benjamin Spock,
(25:51):
who was the famous baby doctor, Marjorie Spock, and she
sued her town to tell them to not spray D
D T on her property that she was trying to
build a farm out of wholeness and wanted the insects there.
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So uh, Rachel, in covering the trial, came up with
the idea for Silent Spring, and so that started the
whole ecological movement and environmental movements fascinating, so many different
arms to hit his work. It just blows my mind.
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Like these uh Waldorf schools, am I saying that, right?
Those are very popular all over the world. Correct, Yes,
they are there. They are indeed all over the world,
and they they've had a lot of very interesting graduates.
I have, um my own my own kids went to
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a Waldor school, and that's in a way what brought
me to Anthon possibly was Waldor schools. I had been
introduced to it before, but it was really through experiencing
wald Work education, wishing I had had at my education,
but just seeing what it did for my three kids.
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I was so impressed. I then went and studied a
lot more and a lot more seriously fascinating. Well, we've
got to get to our first break. Um, so wow,
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waiting for you now dot Com welcome back. You are
listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m
pro normal podcast network, And I have Andrew Linnell. He
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is from miss Tech and uh we're talking a bit
about something called anthroposophy that was essentially came out of
theosophy by Rudolf Steiner. And Wow, what an amazing man.
And I've literally more recently started to learn about his
work and uh, there's something I wanted to get into
with you, uh, Andrew, because this really just kind of
(30:38):
jarred my world. So I have certain understandings coming from
a whole different perspective. I have memories of other things
that outside of this life, if that makes sense. But
I've talked to you before, so you know what I'm
speaking of. Um, and uh, you know. So I have
a good friend Maureen Seabrook. She uh, I was trying
(30:59):
to get me to listen to this anthroposophy line of
knowledge and uh on some videos and I'm like, I
can't even say that word right, And I don't you know,
it's just hurting my head, and so I tried to
listen and then she's like, hey, what do you think
of this this image the sculpture here, and and I'm like, well,
who did a sculpture of hat Man? And she's like
(31:22):
what did she say? I'm like, well, that's hat Man,
that's what he looks like. And she's like, this is
a hundred years old and Rudolf Steiner did it, Ariman,
and everything just shook for me, like what you know,
Like I was literally instructed from this other time as
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other life about warning people about this thing to come
um and the shadow people hat Man and the downfall
that it was going to do to mankind. And I
knew there were others here, but I surely didn't know
word look because you know, here I am sitting as
having introduced two whole paranormal phenomena and nobody ever heard of.
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And so it's been just one level after another trying
to peel the layers and try to explain these things
to people. So it's been a lonely battle. And then
I get this and I'm like, and I get introduced
to you through the ant anthroposophy society. I reached out
and you are kind enough to take the time to go, oh, okay,
(32:32):
So I'm curious what your thoughts are on Batman being Ariman,
because everything is so parallel from what I'm seeing. Yeah,
you even have a very interesting name for the radio
show of Dark Becomes Light, right, So, and and what's
(32:53):
interesting is you can almost say that's in this sculpture
by Rudel Steiner and um Edith Marian was an assistant
for that. Um And what Steiner was trying to show
is that in our Western culture we have called a
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being by the name of Lucifer. You all know this name.
That name means the bear of light. We've made this
into the being of darkness. So we've gone from the
light into the dark and our thinking and made one being.
Steiner said, no, no, no, it's not one thing. Lucifer
still exists. He's still the light there, and he leads
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us astray when we try to leave the earth before
our time and try to enter the spiritual world as
angelic beings without finishing our work as human beings. And so,
as you know, Lucifer, well, sorry, as you know, most
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people are somewhat familiar with the Biblical passages in Genesis
that talk about how humanity once existed in a different
state called Eden. This was before we had physical bodies.
And at that time Lucifer was successful and bringing his
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influence into human evolution. That caused humanity to have to
change its course of evolution, the so called fall. And
in order for this fall to have some place to
fall to, Araman or hat Man was brought into human
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evolution as the balance to what Lucifer had already brought
into our human evolution as it had been intended. And
so there are periods, and you've probably heard of kine
enable they represent this transition period from Eden to Earth.
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And during this period of time Ariman is able and
this was allowed Um to have his own beings become
part of the making of this human physical body. So
(35:32):
the human physical body is something that we exist within
through incarnation after incarnation only for a temporary period of thousands,
tens of thousands of years UM. But still it's temporary,
and this will eventually come to an end. Uh. And
(35:53):
during this whole period of time, an aromanic being joins
us in the body but or birth and leaves us
just before death. We carry that being within us, but
you have to see that Um. You, each each individual
is the one sitting on the throne. You're the king
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or queen of your being, and Lucifer and are amand
are like the two advisors whispering in our ears all
the time. But when we're in our daytime consciousness, we're
the ones that sit on the throne and make the decision.
But people abdicate this all the time. And this is
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we were talking about taking drugs and so on. It
becomes very easy with alcohol and drugs to abdicate that
role and allow the drugs or the alcohol to take
over that role. And when you do, then Lucifer and
armand either one of them can then start being there. Now,
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Lucifer had an incarnation about five thousand years ago in
this being, what we will call the balancer or the
Christ consciousness that can be in us, had his incarnation
at where Christianity places it, um And and I would
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just add Christ entered the body of Jesus at the baptism,
So Christ was here for just three years. And our
amand has an incarnation coming up any day now, so
to speak. And in this movement you can see Lucifer's
incarnation was in China, Christ in the Middle East, so
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our Amand's will be in the West. And what our Amandum,
what he brings is this quality of the physical world
that is lifeless, and he tries to bring everything down
to the lifeless tremendous intelligence. And so you can see
(38:07):
Araman at work and all the mechanical all the computers,
all the Internet and that sort of stuff as a
preparation for his coming incarnation. And what you mentioned this
tech that organization is trying to do is to overcome
the fear, because when you learn this kind of stuff,
it can become very fearful, and people want to withdraw
(38:30):
and become neo amish, which isn't what Straina wanted. Strainer
would call that spiritual cowardice. But so it does raise questions,
how do we protect ourselves? How do you know five
g and and other sorts of things. Are they affecting
us in? The answer is yes, they do affect us.
But can you be healthy in this? Can you rise
(38:53):
up in a certain sense to a higher awakening because
of all that's going on? So ill And I asked,
can I ask you that? Um? Okay, So some of
the stuff that you're mentioning I mean, I'm still learning,
you know, this perspective of the anthroposophy and uh Rudolf
Steiner and what he taught. Um. But it's it's interesting.
(39:14):
I mean, it's like whoa stuff I've never heard of?
But um, I'm I'm curious about this element of the technology.
One thing that I know about the Hatman phenomenon is
that he tries to get people, especially who are gifted,
who has certain insight, uh, those who are creative, and
(39:38):
he really hones in on those people and really goes
after them. And people are like, I must have done
something horrible in a past life, or maybe I'm doing
something horrible now that Why is he so attracted to me?
Why is he wreaking havoc on my life? And I'm like, well,
you know, what do you do? You know? Are you
able to see certain things outside of what others could see?
You know? So it seems like he's limited ing the
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human potential is what I feel and what I was
told this is what hat Man will do. And he's
trapping souls, He's trapping them. And then I learned of
this thing called the Eighth Sphere and I almost fell
off my chair. I'm like, this is so him. This
is so exactly what I was told to know and
(40:21):
teach and tell people about. So tell us a little
bit about the eighth sphere, like, what is that about? So? Um?
There are seven spears of existence in which humanity will
participate and an eighth sphere that will take us out
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of that seven sphere evolutionary path. Um. This sounds complicated,
and it sounds kind of weird, but I will point
your listeners to a branch of astrophysics called metalists tea
that says the solar system, in order to have the
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heavy metals, must have had three prior incarnations, if you
call a solar system having an incarnation, and so this
would be the fourth. That agrees totally. And the Steiner
was way before this metalist city came into being, saying
that there this is the fourth. There are names to them,
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and they follow the names of the days of the week.
So Saturn, Sun, Moon, and Earth is encompassing Mars in mercury,
and then we go to Jupiter Venus, and then the
octave for Saturn has a name called Vulcan, which is
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the Latin name of Feiastus is the Greek name which
is interestingly the god of technology. It's also one of
the sons of zeus Um, and so we're in a
sense inherit the spiritual world from Zoos. When the time
comes around, we will hold it right there. You guys
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Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast am Ternimo podcast network. And I have Andrew
Lynn now and he was just chatting with us about
the Eighth Sphere and giving some details on what that
all means. And uh, I'll let you continue to take
it from there. And okay, Well, so this hat man
(45:09):
or Armand wants to thwart That's why he's brought in
in a sense to be the obstacle for humanity to
become angelic like beings. And so in bringing that opposition
or this hindrance, his goal, you could say, is to
(45:34):
make us like machines, to be intelligent automatons. And oh,
by the way, Lucifer would like for us to be
moral automatons. And the balance in between that is to
be free, moral and wisdom filled beings. Now that aid
(45:56):
sphere would come about in the future, and in some
respects it's already beginning through our adherence to materialism. Materialism
materialism played a part in the development of our freedom.
We needed to become separated from the spiritual world or
(46:19):
we could not have developed freedom. So that occurred back
in the thirteenth century um and but carryovers from that
continued right up until about the middle of the nineteenth century.
And so finally we've attained this freedom. And so now
(46:41):
is the time when armand can start using our freedom
and have us choose a path which says mockingly, oh,
that spiritual world, what a bunch of malarkey. That is,
the only reality is physical reality. And so as people
(47:02):
then say, I'm not going to do anything towards my development.
I'm just going to be fat, dumb and happy here
in the physical world, they are making a choice. Sorry,
maybe I use some long good effecurean approach to things,
(47:23):
but so they would. They are choosing to follow the
path that is one whispered in their ear by the
aromanic being that exists within them. And so that will
lead them to going out of human evolution by their
(47:46):
own free will. It's their own free choice to do so.
And so you know what's interesting to me too. You
know so many people I've met even that are addicted
to video games as virtual reality, and it's I keep
telling people, I'm like, imagine it was a team of
people who created that, and you all are just fixated
(48:07):
on their creation instead of living your own creation, you know,
And it's it's a shame. It's like a waste of soul,
energy and mind and body. People just waste away into this.
So I could see that fear. And I've known people
that have gone through addiction withdrawal from video games and
their technology. There's a whole field of psychology on this
(48:31):
now too, and places like in Koreans, in South Korean,
it's in soul. There's you know, it's it's rampant in
the world. And I know several um friends of um,
children of my acquaintances who, like you said, have become addicted.
(48:54):
They cannot live their lives and they can't. They can't,
so in my stick, so tell us a bit of
about that. So you said that, and this is your
your your organization, and so you're trying to find a
healthy balance. So people are not doing these things. So
tell us the website and tell us about what you're doing.
The website you mentioned miss text, so it's M Y
(49:17):
A S T E c h dot org and that
stands for the Mysteries of Technology. The goal is to
bring about an ability for a machine to operate when
it's operator, as a human being, has a moral impulse,
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and so it will operate in a what's called a
mechanical occultism. Um, you won't the person won't actually have
to go to the machine to turn it on. It
is their impulse that comes. Sorry. The anthroposophy has a
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fourfold model of the human being. Something called the I
am as our center, something that is like a sheath
around that called our astral body, where all our emotions
are housed. And then our life body, where the physical
body blueprint is, and then the physical body where we
(50:25):
take on mineral substance and become visible in the physical
All four of these have roles in our development. In
this tech is trying to find a way that this
moral impulse comes through the astral and then resonates in
the etheric, such that a machine will resonate inside with
(50:46):
that resident frequency such that it knows this is a
moral impulse in what to do. So that's a major
undertaking as we try to get there. We are trying
to bring about an education in humanity about spiritual science,
about man machine inter you know, interactions and relationships. So
(51:11):
we do that through study groups and an annual conference.
This year, our annual conferences the twelfth and the fifteenth
of August, and the mystech dot org website has plenty
of information for people. We try to make it as
inexpensive as possible so anybody can come to that. So
this will be our worth year doing it. It's organization
(51:36):
really interesting, it's fascinating. I mean, I'm it's so it's
got so many different layers, like it's just things that
you know, I think a lot of us that, you know,
I've been looking into these more interesting topics for a
long time and I don't know how I skipped this.
I just it's it's something that's been there. It's so
(51:56):
widespread and there's so many different, uh individual study groups
and UM It's it's just mind blowing. Now what you
said something about Ariman about to um reincarnate soon. Was
there there was something that Rudolf Steiner had said a
hundred years from his time is when he would surface.
(52:19):
I just can't think it's a coincidence that hat Man
connecting the two. I'm like, my, I mean, I think
I twice fell off a chair when I heard that.
You know, I'm like, you have got to be kidding me,
you know, I'm just knocked me over with a feather.
This is a lot to take in, Um, I mean,
(52:40):
what do you think people should be doing right now?
Knowing that? Uh? Well, and it's also important to note
that I'm Christian and you're this is also kind of
a Christian um perspective to that the anthroposophy has so um,
I mean, what do you think people should be doing
if we're to be facing good versus evil pretty much
(53:03):
any day now, or good versus two evils and that
but the two evils can be balanced out. Uh. There's
so much that could be said. And I'm so thankful
to you that you didn't go crazy over what you
had found in yourself about hat Man, because many people
(53:26):
do begin to lose themselves and go crazy when they
are having spiritual experiences because the world tells them they're crazy.
They're having these spiritual experiences. And you know, I was
in the computer field forty two years. I'm retired now
from it, and I couldn't speak about these things there
(53:47):
because they would you know, would have ruined my career.
They would have thought always crazy. I had to wait
till I've retired to start bringing this stuff out. But
that these times are changing. And as you said, it
won't be a reincarnation. It will be his first and only,
just as Christ had one and only and Lucifer have
(54:09):
one and only. Humans have lots of them. But uh,
and and that will be in America, he said early
in the third millennium, but didn't tie it down much
more than that. Um, I have through a number of
things put uh an approximate date around thirty three. I
(54:30):
think there's going to be a lot more preparation. So
what you're seeing now is the preparation for this incarnation.
And you know, things like neural link um other sorts
of brain computer interfaces. I think those will be in
existence by the time he incarnates, as well as UH,
(54:53):
prosthetic limbs, where people will say, you know, that's a
lot better than have me to go and work out
ninety minutes every day in the gym. I'm just gonna
jump off my arms and get those process. That's really scary, Andrew,
that's really scary. I'm just I don't know. I mean,
(55:14):
it's a it's a fascinating, uh future that we're about
to step into, and a scary one. But there's always hope.
I always say, you know, good wins in the end.
So wow. They also the challenges, so yes, and you
mentioned being Christian. I can't say that we're Christian in
the way that a Christian church could accept us because
(55:39):
reincarnation isn't accepted in Christianity. But it's so interesting, isn't
it id today that so many people who believe in
Christianity also believe in reincarnation and in this case, you
know this would fit right. Oh my goodness. Well, Andrew Lynnelle,
I have to thank you so much for coming on
the program. This was really deep. I might have to
(56:00):
have you come back on just to like explain it again.
But thank you so much, Andrew lynnell And uh, everybody
go to miss tech dot org and that's M Y
S T. E. C. H. Wow. You guys remember to
go to shadow folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com.
(56:21):
Send over your comments, your experiences, anything and everything out
of the ordinary, and I will definitely address it here
on the show. Don't forget make it as long as
you want. This has been a really fascinating conversation. I
am always open to learning about new things, and I
hope you are too. We don't have to make it
(56:42):
a certain religious belief or anything like that, but just
be open and prepared just in case you come across
something like these things. All right, you've been listening to
Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I
Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network,
and we will catch you next time. Stay safe for everybody. Goodbye. Well,
(57:08):
if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait
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