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But tell me what is it. This is how we grow,
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patterns of what the world is coming to out there
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in the paranormal world. Okay, I'm here, you're there, and
uh we make this bridge. You know, you guys are
in for a fabulous show today, because who do I
have as my guests Morgan Knutson, who is phenomenal. She's
the host of a couple of cool programs that you
will recognize. O gee, what and i'd be speaking of? Well. Uh,
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the programs that she hose includes Hold onto your Chairs yep,
Haunted Hospitals and Paranormal nine one one. Yeah, really cool shows.
I know you must have seen them. I have enjoyed them,
and uh, you know, I love these shows that kind
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of show the perspective of the experiencer and researchers and
get the expert's opinions on these things, and it really
helps to give a well balanced view. So you gotta
stick around for that because that interview is going to
shock you. I can't sing, um, but do you know
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for this first segment, I want to get to an
email that was sent to me. Um. I haven't read
this thing. I just I grabbed it. It It looked like
a decent sized one. Uh huh yeah, and um this
one is you know, by the way, I have to
stick with my name the outlandish corner. That's what I'm
calling this part of my shell. What I do my emails.
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I used to call it that before, and then I
came over here and I just kind of dropped the name.
But you know, it kind of fits and the outlandish
corners decorating purple and and all this stuff. And and
this is where I read off your emails unless a
person cares to join me here on the program and
actually talk about what it is that they've experienced or
researched or whatever. But nine times out of ten people
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prefer to send me the email. So I'm just reading them. Okay,
that's all right, I don't mind. All right. So this
one says, Hi, Heidi, I'm just watching the TV show
Ancient Aliens, Season eighteen, episode eight, The Shadow People. Yep,
that's me. I'm in there. Um yeah. I introduced that
topic to them to make an episode and they did so.
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They say, I had to deal with that situation from
my early teens three to four years ago. Huh, I'm
forty three, right, I'm the numbers. Okay, I'm listening. I
couldn't say it was really traumatic, and until a few
years back, I always thought it was quote sleep paralysis.
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Oh gosh, don't get me started about that. Um oh.
For those of you who haven't heard me um ranting
stuff about the sleep paralysis. That was not a thing
that was spoken of on the air waves until I
came out and started talking about shadow people, and the
science community was like, oh no, we have to find
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a word for this, to stop all this forward thinking
on people seeing these things and what's behind it, you know,
like all over the world and the millions. Now that's
being acknowledged, Thank goodness. Yeah. So now that it's like
sleep paralysis must be that, well, I'm here to say
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my personal opinion, personal not clinical, personal opinion. We can't
all be imagining the same exact scenario and the same
exact things. No, no, okay, alright, continuing, I always felt
those shadows around me at night. I couldn't move at
all until I found out as soon as you provoke
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pressure in your auditory canal, that's it. You can move
again and that shadow will disappear. What as soon as
you invoke pressure in your in your ear? What? Who
can move to do that? I don't know. Okay, So
the shadows I saw while a teenager always looked black
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and not good. That's what I felt. But within the
years and after beat that, Okay, I think you meant
after I beat that sleep paralysis. I had to deal
with other types of shadows, not all black, even at daylight.
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They were and are like the film Predator when the
alien camouflages with the environment. Just like that. Okay, that
distortion field. This sounds familiar, like an email that I've
had or you know, they all start to sound similar
to me, and it's just through. Sometimes people will send
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me an email another time and it might get a repeat. Um,
you're on the airwave, and other times these emails do
blend in the topics that they cover and the things
that get mentioned. So I don't know which one this is.
Apologies if there's a repeat, I don't. I don't know. Okay,
it's still interesting though, right, So I know what you're saying,
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that distorting thing. If you guys haven't seen the movie Predator,
you kind of see somebody, uh something walking by and
you're wondering, oh, is that something there, and it's kind
of has this technology that blends with the background. So
I know what you're talking about. Um, I have seen
that camouflages with the background. Okay, just like that. I
always felt them in the moment. I'm not awake, but
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neither asleep. What I can't tell you is that those
shadows do not suddenly disintegrate but go away through walls
and ceilings. Okay, the ones that you've seen probably. Um
even once I felt like an invisible door, like an
invisible shadow door appeared and opened itself in the middle
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of my effing room. Yeah, they put that and one
shadow entered my room just like that. Okay, I know
what you're talking about, like a portal of sorts. I've
felt and seeing those myself. Um, yeah, really really disturbing.
This thing used to poke its head around the corner
at me, and I knew there was a portal thing
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like right around this door, and it just would try
to chance it to poke its head out for me.
I'm I'm just saying, Okay, the door it's elf closed.
The shadow was close to me, but I threw a
punch which impacted on the wall. What the shadow went
through the ceiling. It was my reaction at the time. Okay.
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On another occasion, I woke up and I saw a
shadow just levitating a couple of inches on top of me.
Oh yeah, okay, that shadow just disappeared through the wall
closest to me. To me, those shadows are part of
my life. Oh sorry, I don't think there are bad
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at least since I'm capable to move myself in those situations.
Hold on, you're hitting them. You don't think they're bad.
You've been swinging at these things. Um, it feels kind
of bad to me. But uh yeah, that's that's pretty awful.
I really believe they try to tell us some stuff.
Don't know what yet, okay, but I can tell you
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that I dreamed with machines that do not exist yet,
at least in this world. And I dreamed with other worlds,
mostly Mars and other sunny worlds. I've never seen the
hat man. Oh count yourself lucky. I guess those shadows
are different entities, the good and bad ones. No, no, no, no,
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shadows are not good, not good. While a teenager, I
was scared as heck. I had to deal with that
a ton of times until I discovered how to move myself.
It's like you add pressure to your head, but to
your ears. I don't know how to explain it. That's
that's interesting. Um, But if you can't move, I don't
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know what you're doing. But I've had people just make
the sign of the cross on the roof of their
mouth and it worked. Or people just try to wiggle
their pinky and it worked. So you've got your own thing.
I don't know. If you're holding your breath to your
ears pop type of thing. I don't know, but that's
that's interesting. One last thing. A few months back, I
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felt a shadow again, but I had to deal with
a lot of stuff, so I didn't give it any attention.
The same night, I had a dream and the message
was clear. Quote Oh, I didn't have much time end quote.
I was suspicious since that dream. You could say, I'm
a paranoid, always an alert person. A few weeks after that, oh,
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someone attacked with an iron spade. He went from my
head literally, and since I was suspicious already, I reversed
the situation in that moment, and I thank the dream
for that. Again, you never know if we're talking about
shadows and or spirits. I live in a really old
house where people have been born and died inside of it.
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I just wanted to tell someone about this, in fact,
a part of my life. Wow. Thank you, John um.
While John, you have lived an interesting life and interesting tactic,
I appreciate you sharing the tactic because that is something
that uh, you know, might help somebody that's dealing with
this that here's this. You have no idea where your
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story might lend and lend a hand. So that's why
I always encourage people, please tell me what's going on
out there, because we need these stories to help enlighten others.
And this is this is really a well thought out thing.
And you know what I gotta tell you to John
so to have like dreams that help prepare you and
you feel that like premonition type dream that helps me
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why these shadow things were coming your way. They're kind
of the minions to happen me be glad they're bossed
in the show us. But these things, uh and take
their commands from him. And uh they see that you're
able to see things and sense other things, and uh,
you're kind of evolving human and so they want to
stop out that light. But I want to thank you
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so much for sharing your perspective and your stories. Wow,
Morgan's to newts and guys, we're gonna have a good
time is coming here after the break. You are listening
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as promised, I have a fabulous guest co founding and
leading Entity Seeker Paranormal Research and Teachings in two thousand
and three. Award winning researcher Morgan Knutson's experiences and knowledge
has led to researching and co creating a unique investigative
program called Teaching the Living. I like that title, and
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subsequently has been featured on and hosted numerous specials and
television shows, including Haunted Hospitals and Paranormal nine one one.
So I'd like to give a warm welcome and round
of a plus who a very kind and generous lady,
Morgan Knutson. So how are you doing there today? Morgan?
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I'm doing awesome. It's really good to be here, too
good to talk to you. My goodness, you are a
busy lady. I am always impressed when I see lady
is making waves out there in the paranormal world. And waves.
I mean, you're just like the queen surfer out there.
So it's where I'm like, Okay, tell us, how on
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earth did you get involved into looking into the paranormal?
Oh gosh, you know, it's it's been such a long journey,
and it started with me as a kid, which I
think most people start there. You know, it's it's very
I think it's it's pretty rare nowadays. I think that
the you know, the fascination starts as an adult. But
for me, it was definitely as a kid, and you know,
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having experiences and living in a few haunted places, um,
and just having these sort of one on one experiences
with things that I couldn't explain. And I was fortunate
to grow up in a in an era where the
the main investigators that the public was exposed to were
really legitimate people like Lloyd Arbach and Carry Gainer and
people like that. And uh, once I started to delve
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into this a little bit further, Uh, it just there
was a magic about it for me that just captured
something that I'd been taught all my life, you know
doesn't exist, you know, the paranormal ghosts, all of these things.
So um, it wasn't until a little bit later, it
was about six years uh into forming Entity Seeker research
and teachings where I had discovered my great great grandfather
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was the president of one of the one of the
first paranormal associations here in Canada in the nine So um,
it was pretty cool. Yeah amongus. I have to totally
dive in on that with with your grandpa. But you
having experienced things as a kid, what kinds of things
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were you witnessing? And we lived in a couple of
haunted places when I was nine, pan eleven twelve in
the in there and uh it was it was really
interesting because the first house we lived in this was
in British Columbia. Both of us are the family. We
were experiencing every think from the classic haunting to uh
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you know, things moving where they shouldn't be, uh be,
seeing apparitions and and stuff like that. The second place
that we lived in was it was a rental home
and uh, nothing really seemed out of place about about it,
but it was absolutely full of activity, including a lot
of residual energy where we were hearing sort of the
replays of of past events in the home um to
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an actual intelligent thinking entity that seemed to be in
the house that was really couldn't stand our talg and uh,
we just we we kind of lived through these different places,
and I think I used them as a bit of
a learning ground for myself. Uh you know, the stuff
never had a never gripped me with fear. It was
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always something where I was absolutely fascinated and curious. So um, yeah,
both both places. We're just a mixed bag of some
of the neatest stuff I've I've ever seen. Even to
this day, it probably goes down to my list is
one of the neatest, needest places and needest things I've experienced.
I'm always mused by residual occurrences like and you said
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that you saw something like that, you experienced something like that?
What what did it look like? What was going on? Yeah,
so it was it was quite strange because we weren't
sure whether there had been uh some sort of abusive
relationship or something in the house in the past, but
that's what it pointed to. It sounded often like you'd
hear uh. We had a walk in basement, so you'd
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hear a. Um. The patio door, which was like a
sliding patio door, just slam shut, like swing open and
slam shut as hard as you could slam it. You
go downstairs. No course there's nothing there. Um. You know,
the door hadn't moved, The door hadn't even been unlocked. Um,
everything from all just all sorts of various uh weird smells,
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um sounds that you'd you'd be listening and you'd hear
something that was completely out of play. You go and
take a look, and of course nothing had moved. Um.
It was he just bizarre. My my dad at one
point I heard um crying from the basement and my
my bedroom was right next to the basement door, and
I remember him coming in and saying, hey, you know,
are you you know, are you okay? And yeah, what's
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going on? And he turned around and said, well, you know,
we were crying And I said, no, I didn't hear it.
I hadn't heard it at all, but he heard it,
and he he said, you know, is it that's really
interesting because I'm hearing a girl or a woman, a
female crying and uh lo and behold it was coming
from the basement. So there was there was a lot
of stuff like that where we kind of wondered if
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there had been some sort of an abusive history in
that house. Wow, that's a that's really kind of freaky.
Nobody went down and poked it with a stick, did they.
I mean, like you guys, you want to live peacefully
in there, right? Well, yeah, I mean, I mean with
residual I mean, it's always just a sort of a memory,
a replay of of the stuff that's going on. So
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I mean, in that regard, you know, there was nothing
that was volatile, but there was an entity that was
there that I think had been had been birth from
that that thought that that negative thought that was it
was intimidating, Like we would, uh you'd be coming back
up the stairs and you knew something was like hot
on your heels up the steps. Um, we would hear
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weird sort of animal noises from the basement. Uh, really
strange strange things that you knew weren't right. You just
you knew that there was something there that you wouldn't
want to, wouldn't want to mess with. But I think
everybody kind of just respected what was going on, and uh,
and both my parents because both of them are you know,
firm believers in this as well. They I mean they
were they handled it really really well. So it was
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but it was really interesting place to live. So nobody
casually walked back up the stairs. Is that what you're
telling me? It was? I'm telling you, I'm telling you
it was just the craziest thing, because yeah, you knew,
like it wasn't it wasn't you know, I'm paranoid of
a dark basement. Our basement was was very nice. It
was completely finished and it was, you know, a very
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nice basement. Um, but there was absolutely no doubt that
whatever was down there like did not want you down there,
and you'd you'd come back up the steps and you
would you'd feel this thing on your heels and just
boom boom boom boom boom up the up the steps
and it was, yeah, I know those runs. So that's
why I think it's hilarious. Oh yeah, like it's you
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can't mistake it, you know, you can't mistake it. And
even as I say, even my parents were just like, like,
you do not just sit and wait on those steps.
Everybody knew Yeah, it's like, sure, you could casually walk down,
but you tore those stairs on your way up. That's
that's hilarious. But yeah, that's that's wild. So what do
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you think that is? Do you think when we pour
our emotions in a certain spot that it just so
happens to tear a hole and allow something in to
just feed on that residual inner gear. What is that? Well,
I think what happens and what the parasychology is leaning
to at this point is that when we're dealing with
something like that, that that oftentimes, you know, our thoughts
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are focus create create consciousness. And when we've seen this
again and again in experiments like the Philip experiment, um,
where you've got this this sort of psychokinetic response to
our thinking, where thought and focus will actually create the thinker,
and um, it's a really interesting concept and it's it's
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gaining a lot more traction in the last while because
of our our understanding of of the mind and what
focus is capable of doing, and that consciousness is not emergent,
that it's actually fundamental to the universe. So, UM, I
think that that's gaining a lot more traction in the
field that that these things are a projection of thought
that has become a thinker. And so when you get
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these high levels of emotion in a house, whether it
be you know, super super negative or even even something
that's you know, really positive, it can come out and
reflect itself back in in these these these really bizarre
energy energy fields. So I think that's what had gone
on here where you know, whatever I think had gone
on in the house before um with these with these people,
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there was obviously a pretty heavy negativity that had gone
on prior because we were getting all these like echoes
of it's just abuse that was going on, and I
think whatever that was had you know, been been sort
of focused into uh, something that was that had manifested there.
But yeah, really, but as it's a really interesting place
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to live, and I I learned a ton. Yeah, I
like that calling it a thinker. Can we make humans thinkers?
I mean we need more of that, dude, that's a
tall order. How can we manifest that? That's what I
want to know. Well, you know, I think I think
we can manifest that, But I think it's a fortunately
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we can't manifest for other people. You know. It's I
think in that in that regard I think are I
think a huge chunk of the problem that people are
seeing nowadays within others and within themselves is a lack
of consciousness, a lack of awareness, and that lack of
being able to to be the observer of our emotions,
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be more conscious in the moment um. Everything has really
become a means to an end, and we don't really
go into anything anymore with with presence or being present.
And because of that, we've now we're I think we're
losing the ability to critically think through things sometimes, and
I think we also lose the humanity in other people
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because we're not being present and conscious of the of
the consciousness that's in front of us. Unfortunately, that is
a big problem, and that's very, very deep to even
think about. I'm a big believer personally that we can
influence our environment. We can influence the cup of water
to be more nature chanel for ourselves before we drink it.
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We can lighten up a room, we can change the
mood um be that brighter light at you know. And
if we do that, maybe we could teach our neighbors
to do the same and change this world that we
live in. So I'm on with you on that. I
think that there's a lot of room for a progress.
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All Right, we're gonna get to our next break. You guys,
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Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Holli on the I Heart Radio and Coach
to Coach. They am paranormal podcast network. So we are
having a grand chat with Morgan commitson and uh, wow,
you have done so much, so much, and uh, you know,
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there's a lot of people who are just finding the
paranormal to be cool and just diving in like yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna get a show, I'm gonna do this. But
when you live and breathe this, like you were saying
that you know your family was very open to this.
That lucky you. That's not really common. Um. But you
were mentioning how your grandfather has quite the history though
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too so kind of in your book. Can you tell
us a little bit about your grandpa. Yeah, so, my
my great great grandfather's name was Albert Derrn Watson, and
he was astronomer, he was a poet, He was a
very famous physician in Ontario, and really amazing man and
known throughout Canadian history as a really notable figure. His
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his home as a historical home now in in Ontario
and whatnot. But he started out and interestingly you said skeptic,
because he actually started out as a very heavy duty skeptic.
This was a guy in the medical field in the
so he you know, any any sort of mention of
you know, the paranormal or anything like that. I mean,
you know, the the universities hadn't grabbed it in the
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way they've they've grabbed it now. And so he he
was he was completely on the not even on the fence,
I mean he was. He was on the other side
of the fence. And he had a group of friends
that worked they were extremely open to this stuff, and
they had come across this guy by the name of
Louis Benjamin and they said, this guy is a channel.
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He's a channel for for a consciousness that is imparting
this some amazing information. And can we use your back
sitting room as a place to meet and talk to
this this this consciousness. So my great great grandfather. He's
looking at this, going, you guys are insane, but yeah,
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I mean you you guys go ahead, you know, have
your little party back there and I'll see in an
hour kind of thing. So they started to meet there,
and he was he sat in on a couple of
them because he was he was curious. He was like,
you know, one of my friends got themselves into now,
and so he's listening to this and he's hearing this
stuff come out of this guy who was really poorly educated.
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I think he had like a grade six education. Um,
kind of a simple dude, and he's he's coming out
with this information that was so positive and so enlightened,
and his cadence changed. As soon as he would go
into these these this sort of trance medium ship and
these other personalities would come out, everything about him started
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to change and his depth of information was phenomenal. So
Albert was really curious. And when he started communicating and
asking questions, what came through was his mom, and his
mom had passed away, uh, not long before that, and
he had no idea. Louis Benjamin had no clue, Like,
he didn't even know who Elvert was. And his mom
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starts to come through and starts to say stuff that
she like she would have known, and he began to
take some serious interest. He was like, something's going on here.
And so he ended up writing and transcribing these sessions
and and it turned into two books which he ended
up publishing, The twentie Plane and Birth through Death, The
Ethics of the twenty Plane, and uh, it was it
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was really really phenomenal settings and his career. He took
a massive, massive hit for this because his his colleagues
at the universities and stuff like this, we're going you know,
you are out of your damn mind and you have
you know you shouldn't be into this. You know you've
lost it. You use your career would be ruined. That's
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the end of it. And he said, okay, you know
that that might be the case. But he's like, you know,
regardless of what I think or my doubts or anything
like that, this is what I heard. And you can
either take it or leave it. But this is what
I heard. And he's like, I believe, And he writes
this in the intro of his book, Um twenty Plane,
He's like, you know, regardless of what you think something
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happened here, and it was. The books are so full
of positivity, of joy, just imparting this message of incredible
connection that even today, I mean, they really are a
jam that I think everybody in this field should have
on their shelves. Wow, that's that's fascinating that he went
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that route. I mean, whatever. But but wasn't that during
the time when a lot of people were starting to
open their minds to such possibilities too though they were,
but a lot of them were still back on this
stuff has to be scary. We have to be sitting
around and doing a seance um. And the academic side
was going it was still pretty much, you know, you're
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all looney tune. You know, you had the you had
certain societies of course that we're coming up, the Society
of Psychical Research and and things like that, but it
was still considered sort of this fringe thing. And this
the SPR was originally founded to kind of you know,
debunk the scammers. So it was it was it was
a tricky time to be in especially as a as
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somebody who's a really famous medical professional and you're kind
of leaning into this this area as well. I can't
even imagine right, that's that's what what a cool legacy.
But you didn't know this when you know to this field.
So wow, it was a family secret. Do you think
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it was? It was weird because I I sure never
knew about it. My mom and dad never knew about it. Uh.
There are certain people in the family that seemed to
have known about it, but nobody ever imparted this to me,
and they knew what I was doing, which was so strange. Um,
nobody ever said anything to me. It was so I
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don't know. Um, I mean not that Uh, the immediate family,
they're not very connected anyway in terms of talking to
each other. But um, it was. It was odd that
it never that it never came up. I ended up
finding out about it, Uh in some some very old
paperwork when um, I think it was when my my
grandfather passed away or something. Anyway, my mom ended up
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inheriting a bunch of old papers and that's where I
found it. But yeah, it was. It blew my mind
and I realized, like, what I'm doing is this this
This was an instinct, this was a calling, this is
what I had to do. My goodness, And and he's
written a couple of books and so have you. What
are these books and what did you write about? What
are they based on? Yeah, so my my first book
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that I that I wrote, which was now in the
second edition, is called Teaching the Living from Heartbreak to
Happiness and I'll haunt at home and I thank you
well and because that really my the co founder of
Entity Seeker and my best friends Stephanie Wortz, she and
I really really early on wanted to impart this knowledge
and this information that we we manifest things, we we
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create things. We are not sitting on the sidelines when
it comes to paranormal events and occurrences. This isn't something
that happens to us. And we really wanted to give
people their power back because so many of the TV
shows and pop culture and things like that kind of
have painted this as a picture that is terrifying and
frightening and it asserts itself on you and you have
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no control whatsoever. And what we found was just the
complete opposite, and statistically that it it backs it up
as well that most people have these profoundly wonderful experience
and are are deeply connected and find it something where
they can become deeply connected with uh non physical and
and something that's this greater than them and their loved
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ones and things like that. So we really wanted to
to back it up with science that in our program,
because we ended up creating a program called Teaching the
Living and then that went on to be taught in
in colleges and stuff like that here in Canada. But
we we really wanted to impart the fact that we
really do, our minds, our focus, our state of being
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all has a role in what we're creating in the world,
and when we apply this to the paranormal, things become
a lot less messy. So Teaching the Living was was
designed as kind of a guide book for people to go, Okay,
wait a minute, this is here's what I was experiencing.
Here's where some of these old beliefs have come from
that are are skewing my perception maybe of what of
what the paranormal is. You know, here's some of the
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science behind it, and here's the science of joy and
how that applies to what you're creating in your experience
with non physical energy. So that was what Teaching the
Living was really about. The second book was was birthed
from that, which was the Gift of instinct paranormal Lessons
for an Extraordinary World. And when I was asked to
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write that one, it was really I wasn't sure what
I was going to touch on because so much of
it was covered in Teaching the Living. But I realized
that underneath all of this people that get into this
myself included, UM, I'm sure you've had this as well,
and and every parapsychologists, neurologist, scientist, every everybody that I've
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talked to in this field has had this instinct that
not only that there is something more that we are
supposed to be connected with, UM, but the instinct to
follow that calling. And so I bring up in the
book a number of these different individuals who felt that way,
people like J. B Ryan, Ailean Garrett, people throughout parasychology's history,
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uh that, and and philosophy's history that have had this,
this calling and this instinct to pursue this in a
way where some of them you know, dropped their jobs,
they quit their jobs, they you know, moved moved across
the country, They've done all of these different things because
it drove them so much to be able to say, Okay,
I want to know, I want to know what this
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is and and that calling and following that calling ended
up opening doors for them. So that was what the
gift of instinct is about. And and the idea that everybody,
uh you know has has a calling that they can follow. Oh,
most definitely. I think that's probably one of the greatest
tragedies around today, is that people don't listen to their
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inner selves and ego gets in the way instead. Absolutely,
you know, it's like, how can we get people to
look within instead of looking out all the time and
trying to find something to keep them entertained. You know, it's, ah, yeah,
I don't know, but well we we've got this. We
got this issue now too. I think where and because
I don't think social media helps with this at all,
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where a lot of the things that we interact with
now Because you brought up ego, and I think that's
spot on, is that the ego has so much now
to identify with. It identifies with your either left or
your right, or you're this or you're that, and if
you're not this and you're not that, And the ego
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really likes to label and it likes to identify with
form right. So you've that has not helped at all.
Where now we've got your either this or your that
or your this, because you're not that. And I think
that's part of what we're seeing is that, you know, people,
people are creating a divide or the ego is creating
a divide, and our our ability to sit and just
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be still and be be with ourselves and and feel
that presence you know, has has been lost on a
lot of people. Wow, that is so very true, and
you know, people like yourself, You're coming at it from
such a different angle and it's so very needed. So
I appod your efforts on that. Let's uh just hope
that we could share that element with the world, right
(37:46):
you know. Um So anyways, you guys, we're gonna get
to our next break. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio
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We'll be right back with more Morgan Canoes, Welcome back.
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Life with Me Heidi
Hollis on my Heart Radio and Coast to Coast There
Young Paranormal podcast Network. I have Morgan Knudson and while Morgan, Like,
you couldn't just stick with one television show. Huh, you
have to have specials and a couple of series. I mean,
(38:48):
my goodness, you really like to keep busy. So would
you tell us a little bit about what you have
been working on. Yeah, so we we just wrapped up
Season four Wanted to Hospitals earlier this year, and it's gonna, Oh,
it's gonna be a great season. I'm excited for everybody
to see it. Some really different different stories this year, um,
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which I'm really o'b stoked about because I love when
the producers really mix it up and they bring in
some very unique things. So, um, you know, we're touching
on everything from like the folklore of the hag and
things like that to uh, you know, just some really
bizarre experiences in in hospital tunnels and just really just
(39:32):
really out of the out of the box stuff this year.
So this should be really fun. Nice. I've worked in
several hospitals as an occupational therapist and oh, we just horrifying,
horrifying stuff so much we want to talk about high emotions,
I mean absolutely, and it's the people who work there,
the people who are sick there, and you hear patterns.
(39:53):
You see patterns and hear the rumors, and you're like,
avoid this room, avoid, do not get on that elevator
after midnight. Okay, got it, Thank you appreciate it. Wow.
So that's wild. So how on earth did that come
about to get onto that program? Well, it was actually,
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uh the producer when they when they started the first season,
they were looking for for people to come and I
guess be the resident expert on the on the shows
and things like that, and uh so I got contacted
by a producer who's now a good friend of mine,
Tobin Long, and uh he he was happy that he
found somebody in Canada. I think they could come and
(40:38):
do this because it's Canadian show, and uh he was
really excited. So we got on the phone and you know,
within the day, uh they said, yeah, we really want
you to come and be a part of this, and uh,
you know it was It was great for me because
I really loved the concept. I loved the idea that
we could be a voice and uh uh serve as
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a platform for medical professionals who wanted to tell their story.
So many in so many of my live shows over
the years, you know, I've had so many medical professionals
come and attend and say, you know, I would tell
this story, but I can't because you know, I'm gonna
get fired, or I'm gonna get a stigma, or something's
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gonna happen. And the bravery of these people that are
coming forward and speaking on national television and and the interviews,
you know, when they happen, these people are are still
emotional even years and years later, there's still emotional over
the events that occurred. It touched them so deeply. So,
you know, I turned down a lot of TV show
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offers because I'm not you know, I'm not a ghost hunter.
I don't don't you know, I don't go and you know,
fake stuff for the sake of ratings, and I don't.
I just don't believe in any of that. So there's
a lot of shows over the years that that I've
turned down. But the work that BJM has put into
this and too, to bolster the people and put this
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on a on a on a different level, it is
it's really it's really an honor to be a part
of it. Yeah, I'm glad that you stick to your
guns on what it is that works for you too.
You're not just going to jump in for the ratings.
It's all about research and helping people to have better
insight correct. Yeah, and and it's a it's about integrity.
You know, there there comes a point and I mean
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and in this industry, we all we both know. I mean,
it's it's easy to get swept I think one way
or the other. If if you know you're you know, well,
well we'll do this or you know, you'll promise this
or or whatever. But one of the things for me,
because I'm carrying on only not only representing my my
great great grandfather, but also my my business partner and
best friend Stephanie Works because she she passed away years ago,
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and you know, this was this has always been something
for me that is about so much more than you
know being on television, and television is great because it's
a great platform. And if you if you can view
it as a platform for what you do, how you
do it and reaching out to others and and bringing
that connection a little bit closer for people, then it's
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and then it's great. Then you then you don't get
swept up in the in the crazy, but you know,
it's it's I'm very aware, like it's not just me
when I'm when I'm speaking on behalf of Entity Seeker
and things like that is there. There's there's a legacy there,
and there's an integrity there that that has to be
upheld and and it means a lot to me. That's awesome,
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you know, and I totally understand, uh, you know, people
why they need that medium to get out onto television.
I do. I do, And it's it's brought a lot
of people to the edge to look out and to uh,
you know, wonder what could be. And maybe my eyes
weren't playing tricks on me. Maybe Grandpa was telling the truth,
you know. So it's like, I understand, and there are
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people who serve those purposes, but then there's others who
are teaching. And in fact, you're talking about your live shows.
Tell us a little bit more about those. Yeah, So
early on when when Steph and I were we're beginning
all of this, that was one of the things that
we really wanted to make sure that we were doing,
which was sharing the information that we were getting with
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with the general public. And we were trying to figure
out how to do that and do it in a
way that was that was going to reach people and
and be something that was personal. So very early on
we started holding these little workshops and uh they were
just at the time, they were out of her her
condo and we would just kind of go back and
forth and we'd hold these little gatherings very similar to
(44:31):
a A. D. Wattson actually in his place, and they
were responded to very very well. They had a great response,
and it wasn't long after that that, uh, other other
platforms started to become very interested in what we were saying,
because I think nobody was talking about it in the
way that we were talking about it. So the the
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workshops just naturally began to grow. And now I do
full blown theatrical shows where people come and it's it's
so much more than just being lectured at there's you know,
visuals and video and uh, this really immersive experience. And
my my background is very much in theater and performing
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and stuff like that, so so I like to be
able to bring those elements to my shows and to
what I'm doing so that people are having fun, they're
getting really good quality information, but they walk away feeling
like they've been a part of something that's really special.
So uh, all the all the shows that I do,
all the ones that I you know, no matter where
they are, whether they're at a comic expo or whether
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they're you know, at a convention or you know whatever,
I always try to or a theater. I always try
to make sure that that people are walking away going, man,
I learned a lot. But holy hell, that was really fun.
I love that. I love that. That's so cool. I
didn't know you had that big performance element that that
does add more attractiveness to you know, people are visual.
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They want totally part. They want to they want to
feel what you're talking about, so that that's amazing well,
and people want to have they learned when they're enjoying themselves,
you know, that's when you pick up the most. And
if people are falling asleep in the seats and I
mean you're going, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work.
And that's one thing that the academic side of parasychology
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has always struggled with is that they have some of
the most magical and creative and incredible information that you're
ever going to hear, but the presentation side of it
is so brutally lacking, and mainly because that's just not
their area. That's just not what they do. You know.
They they the their academics, they want to sit down
and write and you know, publish their papers and things
(46:42):
like that, which is great and we need it. But
when it comes to then translating that information to the
general public, people would rather sit down and watch a
show of people running around screaming with cameras because at
least it holds their attention. And yeah, you know, most
people will not sit down and read pile of white papers.
That's it's just reality. And it's not that they're doing,
(47:03):
you know, a bad job or anything. It's nothing about that.
It's just the medium in which people receive information has
to be something that's entertaining and engaging. And so that's
what I'm trying to do, is that, you know, if
we can make it entertaining and fun and engaging, then
that information it doesn't have to be campy. It doesn't
have to be you know, silly, or you know, it
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can be something that is just really genuinely touching and
and fun to watch and and still have the information
that will just completely blow your mind. I love that. Yeah,
I've sat in like you know, I've anticipated seeing somebody
lecturing and I go there and the lights turn off
and I'm like, oh no, oh yeah, listen, your eyes
(47:45):
does automatically start to get hazy and and it's like
and I got coffee in my hands, and it's like, gosh,
I hate that it happens, but it just does. So
it does well, even I struggle with it, Like you knows,
as much as I love this information, I mean there's
been stuff that I've sat through that I really struggle
to hold my focus. I really struggle, and it's you know,
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and as I say, it's it's not it's not about
the information. It's just about you know, how do we
deliver this in a way where like the majority of
people can can really grasp it. I love this, So
how can people get a hold of you? Like you
have a website and what eventually got going on? Absolutely
so the best place to find everything about me is
entity Seeker dot c A and so it's entity Seeker,
(48:30):
not plural dot c A and uh, it's just the
one stop shop. You can find out books, classes, events, um,
you can find out how to book me there, um,
send me a message whatever you know, whatever is up
and uh, and all my social media links everything is
is there as well, so that's the best place to
to to find out more about me. I love it.
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Morgan Knutson. I want to thank you so much for
coming on the show today. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,
sure was, Thank you so much. All Right, you guys,
we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program.
I want to remind you to go to my main website,
which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow folks dot com.
Tell me your stories, the more details of the better.
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If you have photos, if you have video, don't tease me,
just send it on over. Don't tease me with a
one liner saying I've got a great story and nothing
put there. Okay, tell me what's going on. This is
how we learn, This is how we see the patterns,
this is how we grow. And I'm telling you, I'm
telling you it's a learning curve. A lot of people
(49:34):
think they could just jump onto this and be like, well, yes,
you know, I've got a degree and this and oh
oh I can do this, or I could do that,
and I'm going to tell you a story. Uh, you know,
it's all in it together, Okay. I don't have the
ego to say I got all these answers. I know
exactly what that's about. I could quote anything anywhere, never
(49:56):
not me. I'm human, I'm I'm figuring this stuff out
as we go along, and I'm growing. I've been doing
this for a long time and it's all about connecting.
So connect with me. Let's do this and uh, you know,
we could, we could, we could, we could tackle it.
I'm swear, I swear we can't. And be sure. Also
(50:17):
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(02:38):
in the paranormal world. Okay, I'm here, you're there, and
uh we make this bridge. You know, you guys are
in for a fabulous show today, because who do I
have as my guests Morgan Knutson, who is phenomenal. She's
the host of a couple of cool programs that you
will recognize. O gee, what and i'd be speaking of? Well. Uh,
(03:02):
the programs that she hose includes Hold onto your Chairs yep,
Haunted Hospitals and Paranormal nine one one. Yeah, really cool shows.
I know you must have seen them. I have enjoyed them,
and uh, you know, I love these shows that kind
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of show the perspective of the experiencer and researchers and
get the expert's opinions on these things, and it really
helps to give a well balanced view. So you gotta
stick around for that because that interview is going to
shock you. I can't sing, um, but do you know
(03:44):
for this first segment, I want to get to an
email that was sent to me. Um. I haven't read
this thing. I just I grabbed it. It It looked like
a decent sized one. Uh huh yeah, and um this
one is you know, by the way, I have to
stick with my name the outlandish corner. That's what I'm
calling this part of my shell. What I do my emails.
(04:06):
I used to call it that before, and then I
came over here and I just kind of dropped the name.
But you know, it kind of fits and the outlandish
corners decorating purple and and all this stuff. And and
this is where I read off your emails unless a
person cares to join me here on the program and
actually talk about what it is that they've experienced or
researched or whatever. But nine times out of ten people
(04:28):
prefer to send me the email. So I'm just reading them. Okay,
that's all right, I don't mind. All right. So this
one says, Hi, Heidi, I'm just watching the TV show
Ancient Aliens, Season eighteen, episode eight, The Shadow People. Yep,
that's me. I'm in there. Um yeah. I introduced that
topic to them to make an episode and they did so.
(04:51):
They say, I had to deal with that situation from
my early teens three to four years ago. Huh, I'm
forty three, right, I'm the numbers. Okay, I'm listening. I
couldn't say it was really traumatic, and until a few
years back, I always thought it was quote sleep paralysis.
(05:15):
Oh gosh, don't get me started about that. Um oh.
For those of you who haven't heard me um ranting
stuff about the sleep paralysis. That was not a thing
that was spoken of on the air waves until I
came out and started talking about shadow people, and the
science community was like, oh no, we have to find
(05:37):
a word for this, to stop all this forward thinking
on people seeing these things and what's behind it, you know,
like all over the world and the millions. Now that's
being acknowledged, Thank goodness. Yeah. So now that it's like
sleep paralysis must be that, well, I'm here to say
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my personal opinion, personal not clinical, personal opinion. We can't
all be imagining the same exact scenario and the same
exact things. No, no, okay, alright, continuing, I always felt
those shadows around me at night. I couldn't move at
all until I found out as soon as you provoke
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pressure in your auditory canal, that's it. You can move
again and that shadow will disappear. What as soon as
you invoke pressure in your in your ear? What? Who
can move to do that? I don't know. Okay, So
the shadows I saw while a teenager always looked black
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and not good. That's what I felt. But within the
years and after beat that, Okay, I think you meant
after I beat that sleep paralysis. I had to deal
with other types of shadows, not all black, even at daylight.
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They were and are like the film Predator when the
alien camouflages with the environment. Just like that. Okay, that
distortion field. This sounds familiar, like an email that I've
had or you know, they all start to sound similar
to me, and it's just through. Sometimes people will send
(07:25):
me an email another time and it might get a repeat. Um,
you're on the airwave, and other times these emails do
blend in the topics that they cover and the things
that get mentioned. So I don't know which one this is.
Apologies if there's a repeat, I don't. I don't know. Okay,
it's still interesting though, right, So I know what you're saying,
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that distorting thing. If you guys haven't seen the movie Predator,
you kind of see somebody, uh something walking by and
you're wondering, oh, is that something there, and it's kind
of has this technology that blends with the background. So
I know what you're talking about. Um, I have seen
that camouflages with the background. Okay, just like that. I
always felt them in the moment. I'm not awake, but
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neither asleep. What I can't tell you is that those
shadows do not suddenly disintegrate but go away through walls
and ceilings. Okay, the ones that you've seen probably. Um
even once I felt like an invisible door, like an
invisible shadow door appeared and opened itself in the middle
(08:29):
of my effing room. Yeah, they put that and one
shadow entered my room just like that. Okay, I know
what you're talking about, like a portal of sorts. I've
felt and seeing those myself. Um, yeah, really really disturbing.
This thing used to poke its head around the corner
at me, and I knew there was a portal thing
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like right around this door, and it just would try
to chance it to poke its head out for me.
I'm I'm just saying, Okay, the door it's elf closed.
The shadow was close to me, but I threw a
punch which impacted on the wall. What the shadow went
through the ceiling. It was my reaction at the time. Okay.
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On another occasion, I woke up and I saw a
shadow just levitating a couple of inches on top of me.
Oh yeah, okay, that shadow just disappeared through the wall
closest to me. To me, those shadows are part of
my life. Oh sorry, I don't think there are bad
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at least since I'm capable to move myself in those situations.
Hold on, you're hitting them. You don't think they're bad.
You've been swinging at these things. Um, it feels kind
of bad to me. But uh yeah, that's that's pretty awful.
I really believe they try to tell us some stuff.
Don't know what yet, okay, but I can tell you
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that I dreamed with machines that do not exist yet,
at least in this world. And I dreamed with other worlds,
mostly Mars and other sunny worlds. I've never seen the
hat man. Oh count yourself lucky. I guess those shadows
are different entities, the good and bad ones. No, no, no, no,
(10:20):
shadows are not good, not good. While a teenager, I
was scared as heck. I had to deal with that
a ton of times until I discovered how to move myself.
It's like you add pressure to your head, but to
your ears. I don't know how to explain it. That's
that's interesting. Um, But if you can't move, I don't
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know what you're doing. But I've had people just make
the sign of the cross on the roof of their
mouth and it worked. Or people just try to wiggle
their pinky and it worked. So you've got your own thing.
I don't know. If you're holding your breath to your
ears pop type of thing. I don't know, but that's
that's interesting. One last thing. A few months back, I
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felt a shadow again, but I had to deal with
a lot of stuff, so I didn't give it any attention.
The same night, I had a dream and the message
was clear. Quote Oh, I didn't have much time end quote.
I was suspicious since that dream. You could say, I'm
a paranoid, always an alert person. A few weeks after that, oh,
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someone attacked with an iron spade. He went from my
head literally, and since I was suspicious already, I reversed
the situation in that moment, and I thank the dream
for that. Again, you never know if we're talking about
shadows and or spirits. I live in a really old
house where people have been born and died inside of it.
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I just wanted to tell someone about this, in fact,
a part of my life. Wow. Thank you, John um.
While John, you have lived an interesting life and interesting tactic,
I appreciate you sharing the tactic because that is something
that uh, you know, might help somebody that's dealing with
this that here's this. You have no idea where your
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story might lend and lend a hand. So that's why
I always encourage people, please tell me what's going on
out there, because we need these stories to help enlighten others.
And this is this is really a well thought out thing.
And you know what I gotta tell you to John
so to have like dreams that help prepare you and
you feel that like premonition type dream that helps me
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why these shadow things were coming your way. They're kind
of the minions to happen me be glad they're bossed
in the show us. But these things, uh and take
their commands from him. And uh they see that you're
able to see things and sense other things, and uh,
you're kind of evolving human and so they want to
stop out that light. But I want to thank you
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so much for sharing your perspective and your stories. Wow,
Morgan's to newts and guys, we're gonna have a good
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as promised, I have a fabulous guest co founding and
leading Entity Seeker Paranormal Research and Teachings in two thousand
and three. Award winning researcher Morgan Knutson's experiences and knowledge
has led to researching and co creating a unique investigative
program called Teaching the Living. I like that title, and
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subsequently has been featured on and hosted numerous specials and
television shows, including Haunted Hospitals and Paranormal nine one one.
So I'd like to give a warm welcome and round
of a plus who a very kind and generous lady,
Morgan Knutson. So how are you doing there today? Morgan?
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I'm doing awesome. It's really good to be here, too
good to talk to you. My goodness, you are a
busy lady. I am always impressed when I see lady
is making waves out there in the paranormal world. And waves.
I mean, you're just like the queen surfer out there.
So it's where I'm like, Okay, tell us, how on
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earth did you get involved into looking into the paranormal?
Oh gosh, you know, it's it's been such a long journey,
and it started with me as a kid, which I
think most people start there. You know, it's it's very
I think it's it's pretty rare nowadays. I think that
the you know, the fascination starts as an adult. But
for me, it was definitely as a kid, and you know,
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having experiences and living in a few haunted places, um,
and just having these sort of one on one experiences
with things that I couldn't explain. And I was fortunate
to grow up in a in an era where the
the main investigators that the public was exposed to were
really legitimate people like Lloyd Arbach and Carry Gainer and
people like that. And uh, once I started to delve
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into this a little bit further, Uh, it just there
was a magic about it for me that just captured
something that I'd been taught all my life, you know
doesn't exist, you know, the paranormal ghosts, all of these things.
So um, it wasn't until a little bit later, it
was about six years uh into forming Entity Seeker research
and teachings where I had discovered my great great grandfather
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was the president of one of the one of the
first paranormal associations here in Canada in the nine So um,
it was pretty cool. Yeah amongus. I have to totally
dive in on that with with your grandpa. But you
having experienced things as a kid, what kinds of things
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were you witnessing? And we lived in a couple of
haunted places when I was nine, pan eleven twelve in
the in there and uh it was it was really
interesting because the first house we lived in this was
in British Columbia. Both of us are the family. We
were experiencing every think from the classic haunting to uh
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you know, things moving where they shouldn't be, uh be,
seeing apparitions and and stuff like that. The second place
that we lived in was it was a rental home
and uh, nothing really seemed out of place about about it,
but it was absolutely full of activity, including a lot
of residual energy where we were hearing sort of the
replays of of past events in the home um to
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an actual intelligent thinking entity that seemed to be in
the house that was really couldn't stand our talg and uh,
we just we we kind of lived through these different places,
and I think I used them as a bit of
a learning ground for myself. Uh you know, the stuff
never had a never gripped me with fear. It was
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always something where I was absolutely fascinated and curious. So um, yeah,
both both places. We're just a mixed bag of some
of the neatest stuff I've I've ever seen. Even to
this day, it probably goes down to my list is
one of the neatest, needest places and needest things I've experienced.
I'm always mused by residual occurrences like and you said
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that you saw something like that, you experienced something like that?
What what did it look like? What was going on? Yeah,
so it was it was quite strange because we weren't
sure whether there had been uh some sort of abusive
relationship or something in the house in the past, but
that's what it pointed to. It sounded often like you'd
hear uh. We had a walk in basement, so you'd
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hear a. Um. The patio door, which was like a
sliding patio door, just slam shut, like swing open and
slam shut as hard as you could slam it. You
go downstairs. No course there's nothing there. Um. You know,
the door hadn't moved, The door hadn't even been unlocked. Um,
everything from all just all sorts of various uh weird smells,
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um sounds that you'd you'd be listening and you'd hear
something that was completely out of play. You go and
take a look, and of course nothing had moved. Um.
It was he just bizarre. My my dad at one
point I heard um crying from the basement and my
my bedroom was right next to the basement door, and
I remember him coming in and saying, hey, you know,
are you you know, are you okay? And yeah, what's
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going on? And he turned around and said, well, you know,
we were crying And I said, no, I didn't hear it.
I hadn't heard it at all, but he heard it,
and he he said, you know, is it that's really
interesting because I'm hearing a girl or a woman, a
female crying and uh lo and behold it was coming
from the basement. So there was there was a lot
of stuff like that where we kind of wondered if
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there had been some sort of an abusive history in
that house. Wow, that's a that's really kind of freaky.
Nobody went down and poked it with a stick, did they.
I mean, like you guys, you want to live peacefully
in there, right? Well, yeah, I mean, I mean with
residual I mean, it's always just a sort of a memory,
a replay of of the stuff that's going on. So
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I mean, in that regard, you know, there was nothing
that was volatile, but there was an entity that was
there that I think had been had been birth from
that that thought that that negative thought that was it
was intimidating, Like we would, uh you'd be coming back
up the stairs and you knew something was like hot
on your heels up the steps. Um, we would hear
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weird sort of animal noises from the basement. Uh, really
strange strange things that you knew weren't right. You just
you knew that there was something there that you wouldn't
want to, wouldn't want to mess with. But I think
everybody kind of just respected what was going on, and uh,
and both my parents because both of them are you know,
firm believers in this as well. They I mean they
were they handled it really really well. So it was
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but it was really interesting place to live. So nobody
casually walked back up the stairs. Is that what you're
telling me? It was? I'm telling you, I'm telling you
it was just the craziest thing, because yeah, you knew,
like it wasn't it wasn't you know, I'm paranoid of
a dark basement. Our basement was was very nice. It
was completely finished and it was, you know, a very
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nice basement. Um, but there was absolutely no doubt that
whatever was down there like did not want you down there,
and you'd you'd come back up the steps and you
would you'd feel this thing on your heels and just
boom boom boom boom boom up the up the steps
and it was, yeah, I know those runs. So that's
why I think it's hilarious. Oh yeah, like it's you
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can't mistake it, you know, you can't mistake it. And
even as I say, even my parents were just like, like,
you do not just sit and wait on those steps.
Everybody knew Yeah, it's like, sure, you could casually walk down,
but you tore those stairs on your way up. That's
that's hilarious. But yeah, that's that's wild. So what do
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you think that is? Do you think when we pour
our emotions in a certain spot that it just so
happens to tear a hole and allow something in to
just feed on that residual inner gear. What is that? Well,
I think what happens and what the parasychology is leaning
to at this point is that when we're dealing with
something like that, that that oftentimes, you know, our thoughts
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are focus create create consciousness. And when we've seen this
again and again in experiments like the Philip experiment, um,
where you've got this this sort of psychokinetic response to
our thinking, where thought and focus will actually create the thinker,
and um, it's a really interesting concept and it's it's
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gaining a lot more traction in the last while because
of our our understanding of of the mind and what
focus is capable of doing, and that consciousness is not emergent,
that it's actually fundamental to the universe. So, UM, I
think that that's gaining a lot more traction in the
field that that these things are a projection of thought
that has become a thinker. And so when you get
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these high levels of emotion in a house, whether it
be you know, super super negative or even even something
that's you know, really positive, it can come out and
reflect itself back in in these these these really bizarre
energy energy fields. So I think that's what had gone
on here where you know, whatever I think had gone
on in the house before um with these with these people,
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there was obviously a pretty heavy negativity that had gone
on prior because we were getting all these like echoes
of it's just abuse that was going on, and I
think whatever that was had you know, been been sort
of focused into uh, something that was that had manifested there.
But yeah, really, but as it's a really interesting place
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to live, and I I learned a ton. Yeah, I
like that calling it a thinker. Can we make humans thinkers?
I mean we need more of that, dude, that's a
tall order. How can we manifest that? That's what I
want to know. Well, you know, I think I think
we can manifest that, But I think it's a fortunately
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we can't manifest for other people. You know. It's I
think in that in that regard I think are I
think a huge chunk of the problem that people are
seeing nowadays within others and within themselves is a lack
of consciousness, a lack of awareness, and that lack of
being able to to be the observer of our emotions,
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be more conscious in the moment um. Everything has really
become a means to an end, and we don't really
go into anything anymore with with presence or being present.
And because of that, we've now we're I think we're
losing the ability to critically think through things sometimes, and
I think we also lose the humanity in other people
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because we're not being present and conscious of the of
the consciousness that's in front of us. Unfortunately, that is
a big problem, and that's very, very deep to even
think about. I'm a big believer personally that we can
influence our environment. We can influence the cup of water
to be more nature chanel for ourselves before we drink it.
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We can lighten up a room, we can change the
mood um be that brighter light at you know. And
if we do that, maybe we could teach our neighbors
to do the same and change this world that we
live in. So I'm on with you on that. I
think that there's a lot of room for a progress.
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Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
me Heidi Holli on the I Heart Radio and Coach
to Coach. They am paranormal podcast network. So we are
having a grand chat with Morgan commitson and uh, wow,
you have done so much, so much, and uh, you know,
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there's a lot of people who are just finding the
paranormal to be cool and just diving in like yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna get a show, I'm gonna do this. But
when you live and breathe this, like you were saying
that you know your family was very open to this.
That lucky you. That's not really common. Um. But you
were mentioning how your grandfather has quite the history though
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too so kind of in your book. Can you tell
us a little bit about your grandpa. Yeah, so, my
my great great grandfather's name was Albert Derrn Watson, and
he was astronomer, he was a poet, He was a
very famous physician in Ontario, and really amazing man and
known throughout Canadian history as a really notable figure. His
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his home as a historical home now in in Ontario
and whatnot. But he started out and interestingly you said skeptic,
because he actually started out as a very heavy duty skeptic.
This was a guy in the medical field in the
so he you know, any any sort of mention of
you know, the paranormal or anything like that. I mean,
you know, the the universities hadn't grabbed it in the
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way they've they've grabbed it now. And so he he
was he was completely on the not even on the fence,
I mean he was. He was on the other side
of the fence. And he had a group of friends
that worked they were extremely open to this stuff, and
they had come across this guy by the name of
Louis Benjamin and they said, this guy is a channel.
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He's a channel for for a consciousness that is imparting
this some amazing information. And can we use your back
sitting room as a place to meet and talk to
this this this consciousness. So my great great grandfather. He's
looking at this, going, you guys are insane, but yeah,
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I mean you you guys go ahead, you know, have
your little party back there and I'll see in an
hour kind of thing. So they started to meet there,
and he was he sat in on a couple of
them because he was he was curious. He was like,
you know, one of my friends got themselves into now,
and so he's listening to this and he's hearing this
stuff come out of this guy who was really poorly educated.
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I think he had like a grade six education. Um,
kind of a simple dude, and he's he's coming out
with this information that was so positive and so enlightened,
and his cadence changed. As soon as he would go
into these these this sort of trance medium ship and
these other personalities would come out, everything about him started
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to change and his depth of information was phenomenal. So
Albert was really curious. And when he started communicating and
asking questions, what came through was his mom, and his
mom had passed away, uh, not long before that, and
he had no idea. Louis Benjamin had no clue, Like,
he didn't even know who Elvert was. And his mom
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starts to come through and starts to say stuff that
she like she would have known, and he began to
take some serious interest. He was like, something's going on here.
And so he ended up writing and transcribing these sessions
and and it turned into two books which he ended
up publishing, The twentie Plane and Birth through Death, The
Ethics of the twenty Plane, and uh, it was it
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was really really phenomenal settings and his career. He took
a massive, massive hit for this because his his colleagues
at the universities and stuff like this, we're going you know,
you are out of your damn mind and you have
you know you shouldn't be into this. You know you've
lost it. You use your career would be ruined. That's
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the end of it. And he said, okay, you know
that that might be the case. But he's like, you know,
regardless of what I think or my doubts or anything
like that, this is what I heard. And you can
either take it or leave it. But this is what
I heard. And he's like, I believe, And he writes
this in the intro of his book, Um twenty Plane,
He's like, you know, regardless of what you think something
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happened here, and it was. The books are so full
of positivity, of joy, just imparting this message of incredible
connection that even today, I mean, they really are a
jam that I think everybody in this field should have
on their shelves. Wow, that's that's fascinating that he went
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that route. I mean, whatever. But but wasn't that during
the time when a lot of people were starting to
open their minds to such possibilities too though they were,
but a lot of them were still back on this
stuff has to be scary. We have to be sitting
around and doing a seance um. And the academic side
was going it was still pretty much, you know, you're
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all looney tune. You know, you had the you had
certain societies of course that we're coming up, the Society
of Psychical Research and and things like that, but it
was still considered sort of this fringe thing. And this
the SPR was originally founded to kind of you know,
debunk the scammers. So it was it was it was
a tricky time to be in especially as a as
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somebody who's a really famous medical professional and you're kind
of leaning into this this area as well. I can't
even imagine right, that's that's what what a cool legacy.
But you didn't know this when you know to this field.
So wow, it was a family secret. Do you think
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it was? It was weird because I I sure never
knew about it. My mom and dad never knew about it. Uh.
There are certain people in the family that seemed to
have known about it, but nobody ever imparted this to me,
and they knew what I was doing, which was so strange. Um,
nobody ever said anything to me. It was so I
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don't know. Um, I mean not that Uh, the immediate family,
they're not very connected anyway in terms of talking to
each other. But um, it was. It was odd that
it never that it never came up. I ended up
finding out about it, Uh in some some very old
paperwork when um, I think it was when my my
grandfather passed away or something. Anyway, my mom ended up
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inheriting a bunch of old papers and that's where I
found it. But yeah, it was. It blew my mind
and I realized, like, what I'm doing is this this
This was an instinct, this was a calling, this is
what I had to do. My goodness, And and he's
written a couple of books and so have you. What
are these books and what did you write about? What
are they based on? Yeah, so my my first book
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that I that I wrote, which was now in the
second edition, is called Teaching the Living from Heartbreak to
Happiness and I'll haunt at home and I thank you
well and because that really my the co founder of
Entity Seeker and my best friends Stephanie Wortz, she and
I really really early on wanted to impart this knowledge
and this information that we we manifest things, we we
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create things. We are not sitting on the sidelines when
it comes to paranormal events and occurrences. This isn't something
that happens to us. And we really wanted to give
people their power back because so many of the TV
shows and pop culture and things like that kind of
have painted this as a picture that is terrifying and
frightening and it asserts itself on you and you have
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no control whatsoever. And what we found was just the
complete opposite, and statistically that it it backs it up
as well that most people have these profoundly wonderful experience
and are are deeply connected and find it something where
they can become deeply connected with uh non physical and
and something that's this greater than them and their loved
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ones and things like that. So we really wanted to
to back it up with science that in our program,
because we ended up creating a program called Teaching the
Living and then that went on to be taught in
in colleges and stuff like that here in Canada. But
we we really wanted to impart the fact that we
really do, our minds, our focus, our state of being
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all has a role in what we're creating in the world,
and when we apply this to the paranormal, things become
a lot less messy. So Teaching the Living was was
designed as kind of a guide book for people to go, Okay,
wait a minute, this is here's what I was experiencing.
Here's where some of these old beliefs have come from
that are are skewing my perception maybe of what of
what the paranormal is. You know, here's some of the
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science behind it, and here's the science of joy and
how that applies to what you're creating in your experience
with non physical energy. So that was what Teaching the
Living was really about. The second book was was birthed
from that, which was the Gift of instinct paranormal Lessons
for an Extraordinary World. And when I was asked to
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write that one, it was really I wasn't sure what
I was going to touch on because so much of
it was covered in Teaching the Living. But I realized
that underneath all of this people that get into this
myself included, UM, I'm sure you've had this as well,
and and every parapsychologists, neurologist, scientist, every everybody that I've
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talked to in this field has had this instinct that
not only that there is something more that we are
supposed to be connected with, UM, but the instinct to
follow that calling. And so I bring up in the
book a number of these different individuals who felt that way,
people like J. B Ryan, Ailean Garrett, people throughout parasychology's history,
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uh that, and and philosophy's history that have had this,
this calling and this instinct to pursue this in a
way where some of them you know, dropped their jobs,
they quit their jobs, they you know, moved moved across
the country, They've done all of these different things because
it drove them so much to be able to say, Okay,
I want to know, I want to know what this
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is and and that calling and following that calling ended
up opening doors for them. So that was what the
gift of instinct is about. And and the idea that everybody,
uh you know has has a calling that they can follow. Oh,
most definitely. I think that's probably one of the greatest
tragedies around today, is that people don't listen to their
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inner selves and ego gets in the way instead. Absolutely,
you know, it's like, how can we get people to
look within instead of looking out all the time and
trying to find something to keep them entertained. You know, it's, ah, yeah,
I don't know, but well we we've got this. We
got this issue now too. I think where and because
I don't think social media helps with this at all,
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where a lot of the things that we interact with
now Because you brought up ego, and I think that's
spot on, is that the ego has so much now
to identify with. It identifies with your either left or
your right, or you're this or you're that, and if
you're not this and you're not that, And the ego
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really likes to label and it likes to identify with
form right. So you've that has not helped at all.
Where now we've got your either this or your that
or your this, because you're not that. And I think
that's part of what we're seeing is that, you know, people,
people are creating a divide or the ego is creating
a divide, and our our ability to sit and just
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be still and be be with ourselves and and feel
that presence you know, has has been lost on a
lot of people. Wow, that is so very true, and
you know, people like yourself, You're coming at it from
such a different angle and it's so very needed. So
I appod your efforts on that. Let's uh just hope
that we could share that element with the world, right
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you know. Um So anyways, you guys, we're gonna get
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Life with Me Heidi
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Young Paranormal podcast Network. I have Morgan Knudson and while Morgan, Like,
you couldn't just stick with one television show. Huh, you
have to have specials and a couple of series. I mean,
(38:48):
my goodness, you really like to keep busy. So would
you tell us a little bit about what you have
been working on. Yeah, so we we just wrapped up
Season four Wanted to Hospitals earlier this year, and it's gonna, Oh,
it's gonna be a great season. I'm excited for everybody
to see it. Some really different different stories this year, um,
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which I'm really o'b stoked about because I love when
the producers really mix it up and they bring in
some very unique things. So, um, you know, we're touching
on everything from like the folklore of the hag and
things like that to uh, you know, just some really
bizarre experiences in in hospital tunnels and just really just
(39:32):
really out of the out of the box stuff this year.
So this should be really fun. Nice. I've worked in
several hospitals as an occupational therapist and oh, we just horrifying,
horrifying stuff so much we want to talk about high emotions,
I mean absolutely, and it's the people who work there,
the people who are sick there, and you hear patterns.
(39:53):
You see patterns and hear the rumors, and you're like,
avoid this room, avoid, do not get on that elevator
after midnight. Okay, got it, Thank you appreciate it. Wow.
So that's wild. So how on earth did that come
about to get onto that program? Well, it was actually,
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uh the producer when they when they started the first season,
they were looking for for people to come and I
guess be the resident expert on the on the shows
and things like that, and uh so I got contacted
by a producer who's now a good friend of mine,
Tobin Long, and uh he he was happy that he
found somebody in Canada. I think they could come and
(40:38):
do this because it's Canadian show, and uh he was
really excited. So we got on the phone and you know,
within the day, uh they said, yeah, we really want
you to come and be a part of this, and uh,
you know it was It was great for me because
I really loved the concept. I loved the idea that
we could be a voice and uh uh serve as
(40:59):
a platform for medical professionals who wanted to tell their story.
So many in so many of my live shows over
the years, you know, I've had so many medical professionals
come and attend and say, you know, I would tell
this story, but I can't because you know, I'm gonna
get fired, or I'm gonna get a stigma, or something's
(41:19):
gonna happen. And the bravery of these people that are
coming forward and speaking on national television and and the interviews,
you know, when they happen, these people are are still
emotional even years and years later, there's still emotional over
the events that occurred. It touched them so deeply. So,
you know, I turned down a lot of TV show
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offers because I'm not you know, I'm not a ghost hunter.
I don't don't you know, I don't go and you know,
fake stuff for the sake of ratings, and I don't.
I just don't believe in any of that. So there's
a lot of shows over the years that that I've
turned down. But the work that BJM has put into
this and too, to bolster the people and put this
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on a on a on a different level, it is
it's really it's really an honor to be a part
of it. Yeah, I'm glad that you stick to your
guns on what it is that works for you too.
You're not just going to jump in for the ratings.
It's all about research and helping people to have better
insight correct. Yeah, and and it's a it's about integrity.
You know, there there comes a point and I mean
(42:22):
and in this industry, we all we both know. I mean,
it's it's easy to get swept I think one way
or the other. If if you know you're you know, well,
well we'll do this or you know, you'll promise this
or or whatever. But one of the things for me,
because I'm carrying on only not only representing my my
great great grandfather, but also my my business partner and
best friend Stephanie Works because she she passed away years ago,
(42:45):
and you know, this was this has always been something
for me that is about so much more than you
know being on television, and television is great because it's
a great platform. And if you if you can view
it as a platform for what you do, how you
do it and reaching out to others and and bringing
that connection a little bit closer for people, then it's
(43:07):
and then it's great. Then you then you don't get
swept up in the in the crazy, but you know,
it's it's I'm very aware, like it's not just me
when I'm when I'm speaking on behalf of Entity Seeker
and things like that is there. There's there's a legacy there,
and there's an integrity there that that has to be
upheld and and it means a lot to me. That's awesome,
(43:29):
you know, and I totally understand, uh, you know, people
why they need that medium to get out onto television.
I do. I do, And it's it's brought a lot
of people to the edge to look out and to uh,
you know, wonder what could be. And maybe my eyes
weren't playing tricks on me. Maybe Grandpa was telling the truth,
you know. So it's like, I understand, and there are
(43:49):
people who serve those purposes, but then there's others who
are teaching. And in fact, you're talking about your live shows.
Tell us a little bit more about those. Yeah, So
early on when when Steph and I were we're beginning
all of this, that was one of the things that
we really wanted to make sure that we were doing,
which was sharing the information that we were getting with
(44:09):
with the general public. And we were trying to figure
out how to do that and do it in a
way that was that was going to reach people and
and be something that was personal. So very early on
we started holding these little workshops and uh they were
just at the time, they were out of her her
condo and we would just kind of go back and
forth and we'd hold these little gatherings very similar to
(44:31):
a A. D. Wattson actually in his place, and they
were responded to very very well. They had a great response,
and it wasn't long after that that, uh, other other
platforms started to become very interested in what we were saying,
because I think nobody was talking about it in the
way that we were talking about it. So the the
(44:52):
workshops just naturally began to grow. And now I do
full blown theatrical shows where people come and it's it's
so much more than just being lectured at there's you know,
visuals and video and uh, this really immersive experience. And
my my background is very much in theater and performing
(45:15):
and stuff like that, so so I like to be
able to bring those elements to my shows and to
what I'm doing so that people are having fun, they're
getting really good quality information, but they walk away feeling
like they've been a part of something that's really special.
So uh, all the all the shows that I do,
all the ones that I you know, no matter where
they are, whether they're at a comic expo or whether
(45:36):
they're you know, at a convention or you know whatever,
I always try to or a theater. I always try
to make sure that that people are walking away going, man,
I learned a lot. But holy hell, that was really fun.
I love that. I love that. That's so cool. I
didn't know you had that big performance element that that
does add more attractiveness to you know, people are visual.
(46:00):
They want totally part. They want to they want to
feel what you're talking about, so that that's amazing well,
and people want to have they learned when they're enjoying themselves,
you know, that's when you pick up the most. And
if people are falling asleep in the seats and I
mean you're going, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work.
And that's one thing that the academic side of parasychology
(46:20):
has always struggled with is that they have some of
the most magical and creative and incredible information that you're
ever going to hear, but the presentation side of it
is so brutally lacking, and mainly because that's just not
their area. That's just not what they do. You know.
They they the their academics, they want to sit down
and write and you know, publish their papers and things
(46:42):
like that, which is great and we need it. But
when it comes to then translating that information to the
general public, people would rather sit down and watch a
show of people running around screaming with cameras because at
least it holds their attention. And yeah, you know, most
people will not sit down and read pile of white papers.
That's it's just reality. And it's not that they're doing,
(47:03):
you know, a bad job or anything. It's nothing about that.
It's just the medium in which people receive information has
to be something that's entertaining and engaging. And so that's
what I'm trying to do, is that, you know, if
we can make it entertaining and fun and engaging, then
that information it doesn't have to be campy. It doesn't
have to be you know, silly, or you know, it
(47:24):
can be something that is just really genuinely touching and
and fun to watch and and still have the information
that will just completely blow your mind. I love that. Yeah,
I've sat in like you know, I've anticipated seeing somebody
lecturing and I go there and the lights turn off
and I'm like, oh no, oh yeah, listen, your eyes
(47:45):
does automatically start to get hazy and and it's like
and I got coffee in my hands, and it's like, gosh,
I hate that it happens, but it just does. So
it does well, even I struggle with it, Like you knows,
as much as I love this information, I mean there's
been stuff that I've sat through that I really struggle
to hold my focus. I really struggle, and it's you know,
(48:08):
and as I say, it's it's not it's not about
the information. It's just about you know, how do we
deliver this in a way where like the majority of
people can can really grasp it. I love this, So
how can people get a hold of you? Like you
have a website and what eventually got going on? Absolutely
so the best place to find everything about me is
entity Seeker dot c A and so it's entity Seeker,
(48:30):
not plural dot c A and uh, it's just the
one stop shop. You can find out books, classes, events, um,
you can find out how to book me there, um,
send me a message whatever you know, whatever is up
and uh, and all my social media links everything is
is there as well, so that's the best place to
to to find out more about me. I love it.
(48:52):
Morgan Knutson. I want to thank you so much for
coming on the show today. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,
sure was, Thank you so much. All Right, you guys,
we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program.
I want to remind you to go to my main website,
which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow folks dot com.
Tell me your stories, the more details of the better.
(49:12):
If you have photos, if you have video, don't tease me,
just send it on over. Don't tease me with a
one liner saying I've got a great story and nothing
put there. Okay, tell me what's going on. This is
how we learn, This is how we see the patterns,
this is how we grow. And I'm telling you, I'm
telling you it's a learning curve. A lot of people
(49:34):
think they could just jump onto this and be like, well, yes,
you know, I've got a degree and this and oh
oh I can do this, or I could do that,
and I'm going to tell you a story. Uh, you know,
it's all in it together, Okay. I don't have the
ego to say I got all these answers. I know
exactly what that's about. I could quote anything anywhere, never
(49:56):
not me. I'm human, I'm I'm figuring this stuff out
as we go along, and I'm growing. I've been doing
this for a long time and it's all about connecting.
So connect with me. Let's do this and uh, you know,
we could, we could, we could, we could tackle it.
I'm swear, I swear we can't. And be sure. Also
(50:17):
go to the Outlanders comic, follow me at one Heidi
host on all my social media, and reach out to me.
I will respond. All right, you guys, you have been
listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on
the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M
paranormal podcast network. We'll see you next time. Stay safe,
(50:39):
everybody sip up well. If you like this edition of
Dark Becomes Light, wait till you hear the next one.
You've been listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast
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