Hellraiser (1987)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Halloween, Casey. How's it going?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Happy Halloween? Millie? How's it going so far this month?
This Halloween month for you?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Pretty good. I've got a lot of things going on
in my personal life, so it's kind of been a
weird year. I'm trying to get into the spooky season,
for sure. I'm like watching some horror movies. I've been
doing like events with friends of mine, but I'm also
kind of distracted by, you know, like life stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it takes work, yeah, to really get into the
spooky season and a lot of that. You know, you
just if you have real things going on, you can't
really dive into that zone, you know. Well, Millie, do
you have any costume ideas for Halloween this year? Are
you dressing up as anything? Oh? Gosh, I don't know, dude.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
It just feels like every year I forget all of
the ideas is that i'd had.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
This is the other thing. You got to come up
with your costume idea in like May, Yeah, to properly
get ready for it. But I've done that in.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
The past, and then I've completely forgotten that I bought
wigs and so.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I was gonna show you this. Yeah, So like I
guess it was a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I was like, wouldn't it be funny if I dressed
like Nancy the cartoon Nancy?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Nancy? You know who Nancy is? Yes, I know Nancy.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
She's got like short, black, little curly hair, and she
wears red shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Funny who's her pal that she's like slug o slug o. Yeah, yes,
I know Nancy.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So I was like, you know, I always thought I
kind of resembled a little bit. I was like, I
was like, I was, I got had kind of a
Nancy vibe. Sure, she likes horror movies and snacks me too.
And I was like, oh, I'm going to go through
the process of finding putting together a Nancy outfit. Sure,

(02:07):
And I collected all of these little garments and then
bought a black wig and then completely forgot about it,
like one hundred percent forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And this costume.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Was in parts in my closet for like three years,
and then eventually I decided, you know what, I'm actually
gonna wear it. And not only am I going to
wear it, I'm going to wear it out to an
event in Atlanta that happens every year where people are
encouraged to dress up in costume, and I think most
people who live here know exactly what I'm talking about.

(02:44):
But then I was like, I'm just going to put
this on, do a lap, and then go home. And
so this was my little Nancy outfit.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Whoah, it looks good. I would have been able to
recognize that immediately. Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Nobody said shit to me, unfortunately, but.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You did a lap and left. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Wow, was because I was like, I'm not catching any vibes.
Nobody's really like, yeah, it's Nancy. I think people were just.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Like there was no slugo there for you. I know
that's for shame. Is Nancy actually old timey or is
it just drawn old timey?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
No, I think Nancy's been around since the twenties or something.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Wow like that. The twenties were in the old the
nineteen twenties.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
The nineteen twenties, I forgot, not the twenty twenties, the
nineteen twenties. But I feel like now, like you know,
the comic ship or the comic has been you know,
kind of taken over by people over the years, and
I feel like the person who does it now is
really cool or something.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean it feels really modern. Yeah, that's what
I think. It's funny. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, but
she's cool.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
But I always liked Nancy because she was kind of
a little firecracker.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah. She liked horror.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Movies and ice cream and our little pal Slugo was
super cute and they just hung out all the time
and went on adventures. And yeah, so that was my
costume idea, the last costume idea I had, and that
was many years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And we don't have and so you have nothing for
this Halloween. No, not at all. Well, I mean my
daughter's going as a teletubby, oh, the smallest teletubby. Yeah,
and so I got some teletubby antenna. Then I'm going
to put on my head and so does Tricia, so
that'll be kind of fun. I'm going to be Tinky Winky.
I believe Tricia is going to be La La. And uh,

(04:35):
we don't have a Dipsy. If anybody wants to dress
up as Dipsy and join her, your mom should be tipsy. Wait,
what did you say you'd be our dipsy?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I said your mom should be dipsy.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh, my mom should be Dipsy. My mom emailed our
email account and I forgot to write her back. She
yelled at me, I can't believe you did that. I
know bad Son, Uh, but you know, Halloween costumes, this
is what I've done for the past several years. I
kind of like the archetypical costumes, you know. I like
ones that are like, you're a witch, You're a skeleton, Yes,

(05:08):
you're a mummy. Yes, so I've just been a skeleton
for like past several years, and I like that. It's
so hard to get a My worst nightmares is that
I put a lot of effort into a costume and
people are like, who are you? Yes, you know so yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I had a lot of great costumes in my twenties,
some would call iconic.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
To be honest, what were some of the highlights.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
One year I was Slash from Guns and Roses. That
was very popular.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
My most popular, though, was I was Gallagher for Halloween
for like one year and I was DJA at Mary's
and I actually smashed fruit in the back of the
parking lot and there was everybody came outside of the
bar and I actually I bought a sledgehammer from home
depot and returned it. I returned the sledgehammer, which was amazing.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
That Wow, what an incredible costume. I like almost want
to steal that because it's so good.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It was fun of shit, and I bought like mangoes
and like, you know, I didn't do a watermelon because
I don't know what happened. For some reason the watermelon
that I bought leaked or it was like some weird scenario.
But I definitely smashed like melons, and.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And then people were just like, yo, smash this or
what hurt me? Like a full beer. I'd be like, oh, sure,
sick and you got to return the sledgehammer. What a win?
I know.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It was really kind of a magical time of my life.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I wish I had, Like I don't have a good
there's no costume in my history where I was like,
that was a good one. Yeah. The Gallagher was probably
the highlight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And then for a long time as a as a kid,
I dressed like Wayne Campbell from Wayne's World, like four
or five years.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Ago, Millie. That is blowing my mind right now. I
went as Garth and I didn't even have a Wayne.
I didn't even have a Wayne.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
If only we known each other, we could have gone together.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
We need to get both the picks of this and
we can splice them together for socials. I gotta find
the picture of me as Garth. I was obsessed with
Wayne's world. That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
So next year I say that I come up to
Minnesota and we actually go trick or treating as Wayne
and Garth.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh that's tight. Like, I'm like not joking. I don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I'm sorry. I know that candy is typically not given
to people in their late forties and costume, but it's happening.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, maybe we can go with my daughter, or maybe
we could go separately. Yes, we gotta go with your kid.
She's gonna get all the candy. She's slowing us down.
She can barely walk. I love that we're gonna go
without your kid. That would be so funny if we
were without your kid, and especially if I went to
my neighbors. Hey, where's patience?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
I don't know if I know, could treat somewhere else.
This is our this is our street.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Who's our turf? Oh? Fuck, that's good. I really like
this idea. Okay, great, this is great. We got Halloween
plans next year. Great, that's fabulous. Let's do it. Well, Millie,
we got a big episode today. We are talking about
a movie that I really like. I would say I
love it, Hell Raiser from nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I feel like this episode's gonna get a little naughty, naughty,
cheeky monkey.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah it might, although, well we'll get I'll get into it.
But I would I do. I did write in the notes,
I am not an expert in BDS.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Who dressed like a Bible salesman right now. You're like,
I don't really know anything about beds.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
For those who can't see, I am really dressed like
a Mormon missionary right now. I couldn't I literally couldn't
be more dressed as a Mormon missionary. I'm wearing a tie,
I have a short button up, a short sleeve button
up white shirt, and just my general genetic makeup makes
me look very Mormon.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I think it's really great. Like he looks like a
nineteen fifties dad, which.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is yeah, perfect, that's great. Well, uh so, yeah, we'll
get into we'll get into some of that with Hell Raiser,
and then we also have some film advice, slash some grits,
gropes and gripes consensual groups, So lots to do on
this episode.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Very exciting.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
It's gonna be great, So stay tuned. You're listening to
Dear Movies.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
I love you, dear, and I've got to.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Check the books.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Hello, everybody, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love you.
This is a podcast for those who are in a
relationship with movies. Sometimes that relationship, you know, might be
a little uh sato masochistic. If you will maybe light
bondage some role play.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Mm hmmm, you.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Know what I'm saying. Yes, Yes, that's this. Yeah, that's
exactly what this podcast is. Uh, it's all about that's right.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
My name is Millie to Cherco aka Chile to Jericho.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
My name is Casey O'Brien ak a Casi o Brains.
For this month, we're.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Very close to Halloween. We've already talked about our Halloween
costume for next year, and we're also in the middle
of our Halloween month where we've done Halloween movies every
week we've done so far Midsummer. Last week was Jennifer's Body,
and this week is Hell Raiser, which I haven't seen

(11:24):
since middle school, and I can confidently say I completely.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Don't remember anything about it.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I thought the end was the beginning, Like it's all
melding together.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So yeah, I you know, do you feel any pressure
with October to be like I need to do more?
Like I feel kind of a pressure to be like
I have to put more work in to celebrate this month.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, of course, because there's so much going on. One
of my friends has a calendar of events that he
is a Google caliber of Halloween events that he sends
to all of his friends, and it's like there's shit
up all week long, like not he puts in that
calendar his own personal events like parties.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
That he's having at his own house.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, but then all of the dates for the haunted houses,
all of the dates for all of the horror movies
that are playing in town, and then also just sort
of like bars that have Halloween parties and stuff like public.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's crazy. Like I'm just sure I'm jealous of your friends.
I'm jealous of the friends.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
You have, Mellie.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I wish I had that social network here in Minneapolis.
Maybe they're out there. I don't know, Maybe I have
to create it. But I think the key.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Is to I think that he has to know people
that don't have kids and maybe aren't married.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I'm gotta really go into the deviant circles to
find these people. Yeah that are opening, you know, opening
puzzle boxes to release the cenobites. That's the type of
people I need to start hanging out with. But I
think you're right. I think people without kids they are
the gateway too fun. Should we get into our film diary? Yeah,

(13:11):
and here's a ta I'm a film diary.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
We actually watched. The past couple of film diaries have
been extremely light, and I.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Think we've made embarrassed honestly to talk about it. Is
that so hard? Is that why we went so hard?
Because we were Maybe I was embarrassed. I felt humiliated, shamed.
I didn't find it kinky at all. And uh, but
now we're back with a vengeance. This week, I was
gonna I think we both watched at least five movies. Yeah, yeah,

(13:41):
that's great. So, I mean I watched five movies in
addition to watching hell Raisers, so it's pretty good for
ext one week. So I watched a bunch of movies
this week. And let me know, I'm not going to
go in depth into all of them, but if any
of them like you know, strike a chord with you
let me know. First, we watched the Adventures of Buckeroo
Bonds from nineteen eighty four. This is a screening at

(14:03):
the Trylon Theater in Minneapolis. Now. It was at this
event called tape Freaks where you don't know what the
movie is before you get there. So I was like, Oh,
it's October, it'll be a horror movie.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
And it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So I was a little like peeved. I guess I
was like annoyed. I was like, what the fuck are
we doing? And it usually is always a horror movie,
so I was like extra peeved. But I'd seen that
movie before. Tons of fun, lots of ideas, zany good time.
Then I watched Silver Bullet from nineteen eighty five, Werewolf

(14:35):
movie with Corey Haym and Gary Busey. Uh it is
a Stephen King. Yes, Werewolf terrorizes a small town. Gary
Busey terrorizes the audience because he is so crazy. I
just feel like he is. His energy is so intense
and frightening.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
So that was a hoot. Then I watched Brian Palma's
The Fury from nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, kind of like
Scanners or like X Men. It's like a school for
kids with psychic abilities Telekinesis. Telekinesis was really in at
this time, you know, with like Carrie, which Brianda Palmer

(15:17):
also did, Scanners. There's a bunch of other movies from
that time about people who could blow shit up with
their mind. The Dead Zone. Uh, have you seen The Fury? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I haven't seen it in probably like twenty years.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Mmm. And we also saw Let Scare Jessica to Death
from nineteen seventy one. Have you seen this?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yes, I've talked about it like three times on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh have you oo? Oops? Yeah, yeah, I really loved it.
I thought it was great, a really kind of spooky
hippie movie, full core. That's when I brought it up,
I think the last time.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh okay, yeah, although actually I think we cut that.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
No, maybe we didn't. I don't know. Whenever I think
you have brought it up though, Yeah, on this show.
A great movie. I love this. It was very effective, spooky, viby,
viby movie. Yeah. It's kind of like in the you know,
like Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a very viby seventies movie.
This is also a very viby seventies movie about a

(16:20):
woman who like has recently checked out of like a
mental institution and moves to the countryside of with her husband.
And there's a woman at the house where they're moving
into and they let her stay. Yeah, I would have
never but it's it was good, it was effective. Then

(16:42):
I saw a really silly movie from Yugoslav Czech Republic
from nineteen eighty one called Visitors from the Arcana Galaxy.
This is like a really zany, fun practical effects movie
about a science fiction author whose ideas all of a
sudden start coming to life, and particularly one he's writing
about these visitors from outer space and these like goofy

(17:04):
ass like puppet monsters start popping people's heads off, And
it was a hoot. I had a great time. And
that's it. That's my film diary. I'm surprised, Like I'm again.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I'm just like happy that we went from watching zero
movie is for like two weeks to watching five movies
in a week.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I feel like that's I know. I'd get back in
the gym, you know, the mental the movie gym and start.
I was out of shape and so I'm back. What
did you watch Millie.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Oh god, dude, my shit was so intense this week.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I watched a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Of intense films, and not I mean even the last
film that I watched was intense in its own way,
intense unlike the others. But so I rewatched movies and
then I this, I watch a brand new watch for
one and my first time watch this week was a

(18:08):
little movie called Emmanuel from nineteen seventy four, a French
erotic film classic, a absolute classic. Sylvia cristelle Is plays Emmanuel,
and it's like, I mean, honestly, like, for all that
I'd heard about it over the years, I was kind

(18:30):
of like, yeah, I mean, a horny European guy definitely
directed this movie. Sure, it's a little bit like a
it's kind of this weird like it's a kind of
an erotic fantasy because it's basically like this young beautiful
model who's married to this guy. She wants to explore
herself sexually, and he's like, go forth and do these

(18:51):
crazy things. And it's kind of these series of weird
like vignettes where she like, you know, does these little
kind of there's like these little scenes in the movie
where she's like doing something sexual. The thing about Emmanuel
that's interesting from a twenty twenty five perspective is that
it was definitely directed by horny French guy, meaning like

(19:15):
it's a lot of male fantasy bullshit. But then also
it is extremely viby, like the clothes, the like it's
like basically call Me by Your Name meets a Eric
Romere film. It's very like French people playing squash and like,

(19:37):
you know, wearing like no bras underneath sun dresses and
going to you know, cocktail parties and shit.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's you know, kind of fabulous in that way.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
But then also the sex of it too is sort
of like it's not it's like softcore, it's not you know,
from a twenty twenty five perspective, you're like, oh, I've
seen worse on HBO at this point.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
But it's yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I appreciate it being kind of you know, I wanted
to watch it because I know, I knew it was
sort of a big one.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, excellent.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Then I went and in the theater we watched the
original Nightmare on Elm Street from nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
A classic, one of my faves.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
A classic, so funny though great, like so funny and
kind of bad in parts, Like it's just it is
like Freddy is terrifying in this movie. That's the one
thing that I will say about the original Nightmare is
that it's like he hadn't developed his stand up routine yet,
so he's kind of just legit scary in the first

(20:37):
night Mare on Elm Street. But there's also just like,
you know, it's like watching the first iteration of something
that you've gone on to see like hundreds of times.
You're just like, man, this is like such a funny
kind of bad film, but it's really really fun.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So those movies, Yeah, I feel like, not a spoiler,
I feel like that movie ended very like I was
very disturbed by the ending of the movie.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, yeah, because there's no like real resolution.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
You're like, Okay, oh he's not He's still here, I guess.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, with his lady Freddy drop top converted.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, that's right. So rewatched that in the theater. It
was great.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Uh, then I rewatched I think it was man I
must have been a maniac going to videodrome because I
rented three of these movies from video Drome and they
were probably like what is wrong with her? She's so depraved.
But I rewatched a movie from nineteen seventy five which

(21:43):
is called Ilsa She Wolf of the SS And this
is and again another one of these like infamous sort
of like exploitation sex point tis Haitian nazisploitation films. Yes,

(22:04):
there is a microdrama called Nazi'sploitation. But it was basically
like when I was in high school and in college,
I had heard that this movie existed and was like,
this has got to be the most fucked up depraved
film I've ever seen in my life. Like I heard

(22:24):
about it and it was actually kind of scared to
wash it. But then I eventually rented it. When I
and I was probably like, I don't know, a freshman
in college, maybe a sophomore in college, and I was
at the time I had never seen I hadn't seen
much sexploitation before, and so I was like, wow, this

(22:45):
is like so intense and it's like really violent and
kind of gnarly, and it stars you know, Diane Thorne,
who was this actress who was known for her giant boobs.
You know, I'm saying it was like this, it's like this,
you know, and it's giving like you know, this kind

(23:08):
of like I mean, I know, it's like really problematic
in terms of like what it's sort of talking about,
but it's like there's like this campy Hogan's hero'sness to it,
mixture like inglorious bastard's kind of vibe. So it's like,
I don't know, like it's in context with everything else.

(23:29):
I was basically like, you know what, I'm going to
rewatch this movie and see, like if it's still hits,
And weirdly enough, I was like, it's kind of boring.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Like.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
You've become such a pervert over time. These are like
Child's plate.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I was bored to tears by Ilsa Apparently. No, I
like boring in the sense that the pacing of the
movie is kind of fucked up. It's like not, it's
not very salacious like I thought it was so like,
well like crazy, but it's not. It's really mostly just
violent and unpleasant, even though I will say the blood

(24:10):
and all of the guts, all this stuff is very
cartoonish and over the top.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Kind of like I don't know, just sort of like
too much. But also we've moved the marker. Yeah, for
what fuck? Quote unquote, what is fucked up? We've moved
the marker that it almost feels like it's this like
relic of another time.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
But anyway, so I did rewatch that I won't have
to see it again. How about that I won't have
to say it? But uh, then I had to watch
this movie again because we've talked about it. I rewatched
Derfan nineteen eighty two. Whoo what it's great.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It's about It's about a teenage girl who's obsessed with
the lead singer of this like new wave German new
wave band. And the music's good too. I thought, I
was like, I like the vibe.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Oh yeah, music is fantastic. Momdo Macabro that they're the
ones that put out the Blu ray? Because you know,
this was pretty hard to watch for a very long time.
I think I had like a bootleg copy of it.
There was a couple of interviews that they did with
the director, and he's a really interesting person, like he's

(25:29):
like kind of this punk rock he comes from, like
punk rock Eckhart Schmidt is his name, and you know,
there was he tells the story about you know, just
sort of the production, and then there was also kind
of drama between him and Desiree nose Bush, who played
you know, the teen girl in the film. Yeah, but god,

(25:52):
god damn, it is so good. Like it is so
good and it's really like I mean talk about pacing.
It is like a ya galacially paced.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It is. It's so slow, sparse, but then you have
got this like like throbbing electro music and it's like
very German.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
It's very like you know, electro early electronic music.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
It's so good. I love it. I love the music
performances on like they have like the what is it
the top of the pop style show that the like
band is playing on, and those performances are really funny
and good.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, it's kind of like imagine if like a teenage
girl was obsessed with Gary Newman or something.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I just kept imagining that. But like here in my car,
it's very Gary Newman. Yes, he looks like.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
He is either It's like it's like the guy that
is the R is his name, his mysterious R. He's
kind of like Gary Newman meets a guy from Craftwork
meets you know, like a guy from OMD or something.
It's like very very cool. And I had seen like
a lot of it. I hadn't seen the whole thing,

(27:08):
but the parts that I remember were the important parts,
and when they hit I was like, fuck, yeah, that
is insane.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Like I was like, that's insane.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
And so good, so yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And then the last one I'll mention again, probably a
lot different from any of the movies I just mentioned,
but insane in its own way, is that I rewatched
All That Jazz from nineteen seventy nine, and uh.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
In some ways a horror movie about aging. I think
it is sure. There's boobs in it too. Hell, I mean,
here we go. How did it make you want to
smoke eight hundred cigarettes?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
My god? I mean I can't. You could smell Roy Scheider.
You could smell his leathery skin in this movie.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I mean, I say this on I saw what you did.
But I was basically like, you know, he's our great.
I think he's the finest actor cigarette smoking actor that
we've ever had in Hollywood because he manages to be
able to speak completely perfectly with a cigarette in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
He's not doing the thing where.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's like doest where he's like holding down, you know,
he can enunciate perfectly with a cigarette dangling out of
his mouth.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, so great movie. What a movie, What a fantastic
fabulous Let's close up that diary. Who all right, Milly, ooh,

(28:44):
we're getting into our main topic today, which is hell
Raiser from nineteen eighty seven, directed by Clive Barker, written
by Clive Barker, based off his book The hell Bound Heart.
And just to do a little you know, cataloging, I
suppose this is a horror movie. The themes BDSM demons,

(29:12):
insert I'm a demon quote here, I'm a demon, I'm
a demon, Satanism, evil step moms. I would say, is
a theme. Yeah, some of the standout actors. Now, I
put deug Bradley as Pinhead because it was the first
time he played Pinhead. And then I also put Ashley
Lawrence as Kirsty, which Milly wrote, law really well, I

(29:34):
just think she's good. I think she's a good final
girl in this all right. Famous quotes from this movie
will tell your soul about I can't really think of
any other famous quotes for that come from this movie,
can you? Actually?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I would say, come to Daddy.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Come to daddy. Yes, uh that is yeah. Milly sent
me a picture of a bloodied Frank from this movie,
a skinless Frank saying come to Daddy, and it was
sort of scary to Sayah personal connections to Millian Casey. Now,
I guess my personal connection to this movie is that

(30:13):
it's an absolute VHS classic. The cover scared me so
much as a kid. I was like really intrigued and
horrified by this movie. It just felt so adult and
like foreign and frightening to me. And I feel like
I was scared to see it. I didn't see it

(30:34):
until I was thirty one years old. That's how frightened
I was of it. I had to be in my thirties.
I had to be married to protect myself from this movie.
So that's But now I'm like a huge Clive Barker fan.
I just purchased his Books of Blood Volumes one through
three and I can't wait to read them. But I
love Clive Barker now, and so that's my only personal

(30:56):
connection to it. Really, Mellly, what about you?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, okay, straight up, I remember in high school,
like or when I was high school age, teenaged, it
seemed like the only people that liked Teleraiser were like
goth industrial kids.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Absolutely, you know, what I'm saying, and I feel like
it was a signifier of a real like punk rock
or not even punk, but like a person who like
was cool and intense.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And yes, it was like the archetype was somebody who
was into gothic or industrial music. You know, maybe a
little light fetish where like you know, leather pants or
like a little boostias or like you know, would wear
like definitely like boots and like leather, you know, dabbled

(31:51):
in that world of like fantasy, the Renaissance Festival, sci fi,
like the whole like that whole universe. And there was
a store that it still exists in downtown Atlanta called
junk Man's Daughter, and it was like if you were

(32:11):
an alternative kid in the nineties, this was like where
you got all your shit. They sold Doc Martin because
they sold all all kinds of like horror movie and
rock and roll t shirts, posters, you could get like
you know, I don't know, like you could get like
you know, weird tapestries for your bedroom and incense. It

(32:32):
was kind of a catch all for alternative culture.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
And it's still They sell like boxes that would open
a portal to hell at this at Junkman's daughter.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm sure, because they would sell like you know anything,
a cult which stuff, you know, terrots like all of
this stuff. I mean, it was kind of like again
just like for people who were not normal, you know
what I'm saying, dude. And I was fascinated by the
kids that were into hell Raiser because they junk We

(33:02):
had his daughters like front and center. They had had
the hell Raiser T shirts with Pinhead on them, and
straight up Pinhead terrified me like I was. And I
remember seeing this movie in middle school again, didn't remember
shit about it, And now part of me wonders if
I had actually seen one of the sequels instead of
the original, because I kind of barely remembered the plot.

(33:24):
But I did remember Pinhead, and I remember the other
his little gang, let's just say, and the Centbytes, the Centabites, right,
And I remember being terrified of him particularly and I
couldn't understand why he had pins in his head and
he was just was like, had that deep British voice.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Just demon, I'm a demon, yeah, scary. I feel like
like I think at the college radio station where I
went to college, there was like a Pinhead sticker and
I was just like, oh cool, Like it was just
like kind of a signific signified, like we don't give
a book. Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
There's a difference, though, I will say, because you know,
of course, now Pinhead is one of the kind of
classic figures of horror, like Freddy Krueger and Jason and
Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
And you know, people like that.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
But I feel like Pinhead is sort of an off
ramp from those guys. He's a little bit more Clive Barkery.
I mean, he's kind of a little bit more because
that's the thing that I think I really remember about
kids that liked hell Raisers, that they were really into
Clive Barker. They were into like gothic ye, you know,

(34:36):
fetishy BDSMI type of stuff. And I feel like, you know,
Clive Barker has talked about how he's been in those
communities over the years, so it all kind of melded together.
I guess, I would say, like, you know, versus like
somebody who was an adjacent voorhees, maybe not as in
and not as kinky perhaps, who knows, but you know

(34:57):
what I mean, like comparatively speaking.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, uh, let's get into the plot a little bit
of this movie, so people know what the frick is
going on. Frank. We start with Frank. Frank's a freak.
He's a little freak. He can never get enough pleasure.
He's a hedonist, and so he seeks out this puzzle

(35:23):
box in Morocco, and once it's opened, it unleashes a
new dimension of carnal pleasures unlike anything available on Earth.
But when he does it, what it does is it
unleashes a gang of leather clad demons. I'm a demon
named the Cenobites. Their leader is Pinhead, played by Doug Bradley.

(35:43):
And as soon as he opens his box, Frank's flesh
gets ripped from his body by hooks and he is
subjected to in like a hellish world of pleasure and
pain unimaginable to humans. So that kind of is the beginning.
That's that's sort of the world we're entering into. Now.
I knew Frank was bad, a bad dude because his

(36:07):
fingernails were dirty as hell. Did you notice that, I
guess I did.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I was like, I guess he is a hell
razor because he's out there like living live in real
dirty like. So at the beginning of the film, it's
he's sort of you kind of see his living conditions,
which is that he sleeps on a mattress on the floor.
He's got a suitcase that I guess he's using as

(36:33):
like a nightstand that has like, you know, pictures of
like naked ladies.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes, can I be really just a sidebar?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Were you a guy, a teenage boy that had like
posters of hot ladies.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
On his wall? Millie? Do you think I was? Do
you think I had like I can't even think of
the stereotypical ones like like Pamela Anderson or like you know,
like yeah, like yas mean Bleeth, like anybody from Baywatch,

(37:12):
or like I didn't have Carmen Electra up on my wall,
or even.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Like what's the classic poster Farah Fawcet or something.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Like that where there's like the pink Floyd covers with
the women's butts, or even just.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Simply generic eighties hot ladies like lying on Ferraris and
stuff like can you imagine that?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Millie?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Get real here? You know me? Okay, you think I
didn't have a Garden State poster on my wall? Because
I did. I just like.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I cannot believe the idea that like boys that I
like went to middle school at high school with Wherever
guys that would have like you know, David Lee Wroth
looking model chicks, yeah, and high high waist bikini briefs
like just lying on cars or like you know, I mean,

(38:16):
it's just like they used to make posters like this
and sell them at Spencer's Gifts.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You could buy them, oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean
I went Spencer's Gifts was like my centebite realm. That's
where I like, I would go in there and like
look around and look at the devious pleasures of oh course,
I don't know. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
You could get like a postcard to send to your
friend at camp that was like a naked ninety year
old woman with her tits hang into her stomach. You'd
be like, miss you or whatever. It was just always
like sex humor.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And just a bunch of like shit humor. There's a
lot of South Park stuff you could buy there.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
A lot of horny horny things, horny gifts. H And
that's the thing that I was like noticing about Frank
in the way that he lived was just like, yo,
he's gross, and he's got maggots covering literally everything and
he's got naked ladies on the inside of a suitcase
to look at when he sleeps.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But you know, like, obviously Frank is a deviant, but
I also was like Frank is interesting. He seems very cultured.
He feels very worldly. You think he's very worldly. He
goes to Morocco to buy this fuck puzzle box. Yes,
you know, because normal sex, you know, on this plane

(39:36):
of existence is just so vanilla that he needs to
level up. He needs to go to an alternate dimension.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh, he's a classic sex tourist. Let's get serious. He
would you know, like, first of all, like looks wise,
he's very intimidating. He kind of looks like if Eli
Roth and Bobby Connivale had a baby. Like he's got
like dark features, and he's been and tall, and he's
a motherfucker. He's like tattoos, he carries around a switchblade.

(40:05):
He's like at one point at the beginning of the film,
it's revealed that, yeah, he's had a lot of you know,
interesting sex in his life.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
There's like pictures of.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Him like with behind ladies with like ball gags in
their mouths and things. He's he's a wild man. He's
a he's a sex tourist, though, which is why he
goes to Morocco to buy this. It's almost like the
concept of the movie really is the idea that here's
a guy that's had so much kinky sex in his

(40:40):
life that he's like, I gotta level up.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Time to go to Morocco.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Morocco is Morocco is the land of hedonistic pleasures, and
I will go and buy some weird relic from another
time and hopefully that'll just help me be.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Like find work clean the pipes, like have even weirder sex.
I don't know. It was kind of a question. Well,
that's the thing I wanted to ask, is like did
the box work in the way that he wanted it to?
Because his like flesh and soul are torn apart and
pleasure and pain come into one being. But it seems

(41:21):
like it worked the way it Actually he actually accomplished
what he wanted, even though he's in some like hellish dimension,
you know, But.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Was that Okay? I guess maybe I don't know enough
about the story. Did he know that when he bought
the box?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, he said, he goes. I knew I was either
calling upon angels or demon hell or heaven, and I
didn't care which came because he just needed He had
this desire for some type of pleasure beyond our earthly realm,
you know. Yeah, so he was trying to have an idea.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
He was trying to get juiced. Yeah, I gets trying
to get juiced.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
He didn't care. He just wanted to He needed to
know the other side. So I do feel like it
did work in the way that he sort of won
cut to.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
So he was kind of game for whatever was going
to happen, whether or not he was going to have
the greatest orgasm of his life or he was going
to have his flesh ripped apart.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
He didn't care. In retrospect, I think he would say
it was a regret, but but I do think he
knew kind of what was coming. So uh, Okay, moving
on to the so we know about Frank. We got Frank. Okay,
So now we meet Larry played by Andrew Robinson, who

(42:39):
you may know is Garrick from Deep Space nine star
Trek fans out there. He's Frank's dorky ass brother, and
he moves into their childhood home where Frank was living
and is disgusting and totally like nasty. All the stuff
that Frank left behind is nasty, so Larry moves in
there with his second wife, Julie played by Claire Higgins,

(43:02):
and Julia seems to hate Larry and Larry's oblivious to this,
but Larry assumes Frank, his brother, is either off looking
for pleasure somewhere in the world, or is in jail
or maybe Dad. He doesn't really know, but he's not there.
And this is also where we meet Kirsty played by
Ashley Lawrence, the girl that Millie hates and I think
did a really good job in this movie, please, and

(43:24):
she's also there. It's sort of hard to tell where
they're telling you this movie takes place, which maybe we'll
get into later, but it's England essentially, So they've all
moved to England, and she's gotten a job there too,
and her own apartment. She's not living at the house
with them. She hates Julia, her stepmom, and we learned

(43:47):
Julia is actually obsessed with Frank and was lovers with
Frank and I don't know why they split up, but
she's upset with Frank and she finds a picture of
him in the house and wants him back, and doesn't
like Larry, But we don't know where Frank is at
this time. I mean we kind of do. But yeah,

(44:10):
now this house is nasty.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I Okay, maybe it's because I'm in the process of
buying a house for the first time. I'm like, there's
just so many things wrong with this little transaction, because
like it's apparently a house that belonged to the family into.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Like yeah, I think it was our childhood home.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
The childhood home of Frank and handle Larry and Larry
and you know, again, Frank's been kind of squatting in
it weirdly for many years. And then they just kind
of show up and they're like, yeah, it's our house.
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, let's just move in on Sunday. And they don't
know if they They're like Frank might be there, Like
they don't. They're like, oh, he was here. They didn't
even know.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, but I mean they already made the decision to
move and they hadn't even gone up the stairs all
the way, uh, because there's definitely a room up there
that it was not passing any kind of inspection or appraisal.
Like it's disgusting. I mean, it feels like it had
been firebombed and not cleaned up. And that's the other
thing too, is that, like the house is disgusting. They
did not do a deep clean when they moved in.

(45:17):
They're already trying to bring a mattress up the stairs
and there's fucking nails coming out of the wall.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm like, come on, guys, maybe feels are different in England.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I would just say if I'm going to move into
a house with someone and it's like, oh, it's our
old house, We're not going to clean it before we
move in. We're actually not even going to look through it.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
And we also we also learn that Julia, like you said,
is obsessed with Frank and they have these flashbacks to
when they first met and first fucked, which actually happened
within ten minutes of each other. Because in this flashback,
she like meets the brother of her husband for the
first time and he seduces her immediately and he's like,

(46:00):
he's basically like, would you do anything for me? And
she's like, yes, I would do anything for you. And
I mean, he's got that mojo.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I actually love this for Julia, to be honest, because okay, honestly,
like Larry is a fucking nerd.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Like he's a nerd, He's a fucking door.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
He's like, I mean, speaking of the stepfather, dare I
say he's dork here than Terry O'Quinn and the stepfather
like he's just kind.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of but he but terryo quinn the stepfather was like,
you know, deviously dorky. That was like a kind of
a facade he put on. But Larry is truly dorky.
He would have had a Garden State poster in his
high school bedroom. Probably he would have ran in the
same circles.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Come on, listen and I and I know if I
know a middle aged woman, I mean, you got like
some hot dude standing on your doorstep.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That's like, what's up?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
You can invite me in in the rain. In the rain,
he's got like a five o'clock shadow. When he shows up,
he's a real domb and you're like, fuck okay, and
like it's funny because they like fuck on her wedding dress,
which I think is so hilarious. Yes, and she's she's
immediately turned up by him. I mean basically he like
takes a knife and cuts her rash Strap and I'm like,

(47:15):
sadly that would work on me though, I mean, that's
the thingk God, but you don't know, you don't know
a woman in her forties, Casey, please.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
I guess I'm worried that. I'm worried that some Frank
is going to come to my door and take Trisha away.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I'm not saying shit, I'm not saying a goddamn thing,
but uh, you know, you just might need to go
and you know, look up BDSM on Wikipedia. Maybe it
can help you, yeah, in your situation.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Back to BDSM, I said, I am no expert in this,
but this is a world that is very much explored
in this movie. And I think, you know, I am
tantalized by it. I'm intrigued by it because it does
seem so off limits and kind of scary. And so
maybe that's what that's my attraction to this movie as well,

(48:01):
in that it's like a tantalizing world that I'm not
familiar with.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I mean, case, let's put it, let's let's put the
facts down, shall we grew up Catholic. That's a huge
that opens a portal to this world just by nature.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yes, I'm just throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
You also are a huge fan of like David Cronenberg
and like all these like David Lynch, all these like
fucked up dudes. I'm like, come on, it's not gonna
take for the road is very short to this salacious environment.
And when it comes down to it, I don't listen.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
There is no way in hell I'm going to prepert
that I know find details about this world. I won't
tell you about it about my personal life, but I
will say that it is a catch all. I mean honestly,
like at this point, BDS, I'm the term itself, which
of course you know what it stands for. But it's like,
you know, it's kind of a catch all for just

(48:57):
like I would say, kind of non normative erotic interests, Yeah,
which can be anywhere from having your balls tied up
to thinking that you might want to get squished by
a fifty foot woman in your dreams and that might

(49:18):
be a fantasy. Like it's just wide ranging things like
it's I feel like and there's a.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Lot of branches on the tree.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
And that's what I do think about the world of
Clive Barker is that it does feel like it sits
in that world.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I mean, even candy Man.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
There's moments of candy Man where I feel like that
it kind of goes into that realm, I mean bare minimum.
His shit is kind of sexy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And not but not like.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Kind of sexy horror dangerous.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Does that make sense and not like totally And you
know you brought up David Cronenberg because there's a lot
of that in his stuff too. I'm thinking of like
the movie Crash, you know, willingly being a victim of
a car crash. And in candy Man, which is written
by Clive Barker, you know, the candy Man is always
like be my victim. And I don't remember the name

(50:16):
of the main character in candy Man, but she is
very tantalized and it's like tempted to be his victim,
it seems in that movie. So there is sort of
this play of you know, doms and subs and willingly
being sub you know, subjected to torture and being the

(50:36):
victim willingly you know.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Because like Frank is like I mean, he is a
he is a master of the masters, right. He's very aggressive,
very you know, like very much like giving off that
extreme masculine dominating.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Energy, and she's just just kind of like.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Okay, I'm down. My husban is so vanilla and boring
that I'm kind of into this. And then she immediately
becomes I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
She is okie doked by this guy.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Like she's basically like, oh yeah, I'll keep waked. I'll
do anything for you and include it, which includes like
this craziness that the unfolds as the movie goes on.
But it's it starts very quickly to your original point, It.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Starts very He is the key. I mean, he really
unlocks her immediately. And I'll get into actually, i'll get
into this next part of the movie. So while they're moving,
Milly referred to this already, but there's like a a
nail that's stuck out from the wall and Larry really
cuts his hand and it is goopy and gloppy blood
and it is all over the place and it's gross.

(51:47):
But he drops some in that nasty firebombed room that
Milly referred to, which is like this disgusting, dirty room
that they never clean up and it's just empty up there.
And that was like Frank's little pleasure room. That's where
like the cenobytes came and tore him apart in but

(52:08):
Larry's blood mixes with like some remnants of Frank's body
that we're in there, and that brings Frank back from
like this hell dimension and he comes back as this
like goopy skeleton, fleshy blob kind of guy. He's not
even like fully back. But Julia finds him and he's like,

(52:32):
you need to kill You need to bring back people
to this place so you can kill them and I
will drink their blood and that will heal me and
bring me back to this earthly realm because I've escaped
the cenobytes and you need to help me. And she
does willingly, and she starts seducing men and bringing them

(52:55):
back to her house, killing them and feeding them to Frank.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
So this is the part of the Babe that gets
a little sort of the details get a little confusing
because I'm like, he's basically like I'm this pile of
goo that starts forming back into a skeletal, muscular human shape.

(53:18):
The more blood I come in contact with, it feels
very like and it's like the blood feels like it
kind of starts like getting absorbed. It sort of reminds
me a little bit of the like terminator to liquid
cop thing or the droplets just kind of come together.
I'm like, I guess I don't understand how it works.

(53:38):
And then it's real. It's real, Gray, It's just kind
of like blood. There was blood dropped in the room
where Frank was destroyed by the sento bites, and that
brought him back, but it's not really explained why that happened.
Frank I just kept thinking the entire time of Janel

(54:01):
Day Lewis and there'll be blood where he's like.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Give me the blood, give me the blood, Lord, give
me the blood Lord, give me the blood.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's what Frank is basically telling Julia give me the
blood so he can and he's like, don't look at me,
don't look at me, don't look at me.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I was like, too late, guy, Like well, it's just funny.
It's like you're not really in a position to be
making a lot of demands.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Goofy.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I mean, it is surprising that she but he's got
that hold on her, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Would you say, I mean, speaking of gooby god, this
movie is ooey gooey dude.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, it really is, like it's like nasty. I tried
to eat lunch. While I was watching it, I was
eating a turkey sandwich and I had to pause the
movie because I was so grossed out.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah, it's like a tool video. It's very like it's
like maggoty rat infested pieces of like flesh hanging on hooks.
But then there's blood, there's puss, there's shit, there's every
and I'm like, why is this gotta be so oopy
goopy gross?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, doesn't she like doesn't she like put Frank's like fleshy,
bloody fingers in her mouth while they're like like he's
not even fully back yet, and he's.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Like, let me touch you, and it's like, oh, you.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Know, he like traces her lips with his like nasty.
You know, it's like his skin hasn't formed yet, so
he's still got like, you know, tendons exposed and shit,
and you're like, eh, pussy lived dirty.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
To begin with, I know, So I know. Yeah, it
is funny when he's like putting on dress shirts and
they're just completely soaked with blood. It's like, where are you?

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Why are you getting dressed?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Uh? Something that needs to be sort of understood in
this movie too, is that Julia the played by Claire Higgins,
is like in the world of this movie, and she's
a beautiful woman, but she's like the hottest woman of
all time, like every man who sees her as like
like the movers, and she like so easily seduces men

(56:06):
and brings them to this strange house. I mean, maybe
it just goes to show what like dogs men are
that they'll just like follow a woman into the most
horrifying situation. But it is sort of funny the ease
with which she just brings these dufices back to the house.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Well, I saw that in her notes, and I will
say maybe perhaps at her defense. And I'm not saying
this because in the movie, she's effectively like a middle
aged woman. She's like this guy's second wife, and you
know he has a daughter who's an adult. So it's
kind of like, yeah, she's probably like a middle aged woman.

(56:47):
But here's the tea about the eighties, right, and we're
talking about nineteen eighty seven. This was like the Melanie
Griffith and working girl.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
This is she has very Melanie Griffith hair in this movie.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, And that's the thing is that she has a
real kind of like no nonsense business lady look about her.
She's also British, and she kind of reminds me, like
I think because I remember this from being a kid.
There was this kind of weird goth like hot lady

(57:20):
archetype that was this. She kind of has this like
Susan Sarandon from The Hunger Vibe.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
That redhead, like short kind of curly hair, you know, British,
very important, but kind of had this like I don't know,
this weird kind of business lady look, but it was
also kind of.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Like business lady vampire. Yes, kind of.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Business vampire from nineteen eighty seven. This is like exactly
what I'm talking about, you clocked.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Do you know what I'm saying? Though, it's like know
what you're talking about? Yes, where I'm like eyeshadow.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, she's got like her little black lace, you know,
boostier underneath her like sensible work clothes, and she's got
she'll take her pumps off and it'll be like she
kind of goes from like day to night very easily.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
But she's got she's.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Definitely like a redhead or maybe even a platinum blonde,
but then it's kind of short hair and then like British. Yeah,
that's a that's a goth girlfriend or wife, I think.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah in this era, absolutely absolutely. And it is interesting
because her character is very dominating, Like I just feel
like she is like taking these men home like just
by her sheer will. And she's obviously the more dominant
one in the relationship with Larry, you know, and so
maybe that's why she's attracted to Frank, because she actually

(58:51):
wants to be a sub, you know, she wants to
be told what to do and not be the boss
all the time.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
You know, Listen, I.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Don't I think you know more more about BDSM than
you think.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Hmm interesting, Uh okay. So Kirsty gets involved. She discovers
what's going on with Julia and Frank, which it is
funny that like there's just like a skinless man living
in their house and they don't notice that he's there.
But Kirsty discovers what's going on, sees skinless Frank and

(59:26):
he it seems like he tries to kind of kill her,
but she steals his little pleasure puzzle box and she
opens it and guess what, those damn cinnabytes come and
they're like, Hi, we're gonna like take you to pleasure,
to mension and torture you for a million years. But

(59:46):
she's like, Frank escaped you, guys, and he's like they're like, no, no,
he didn't. And she's like, yeah, he did, and like
in exchange for him, can you give me my freedom?
And they're kind of like maybe so, but it is funny.
I thought it was funny when she was like, Frank

(01:00:07):
escaped you and they're like uh uh. She's like, no,
he did, and he's like, well, let's say that he did.
And I don't know. I just thought that was like,
it's funny that the cenobytes made him a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
To me, well, okay, let me ask you this first
of all again, like in nineteen eighty seven, in the
years after what I had seen this movie, I was
obviously like my brain was so little that I was
not processing any of the fine details about Hell Raiser. Okay,
I was like, I don't know. I thought Pinhead, first

(01:00:39):
of all, was in the movie a lot more than
he actually was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
No, he's not in it very much. I would say,
like less than ten minutes of screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Oh yeah, and I you know, from if you would
have asked me in middle school, I would have said, oh,
he's the entire movie, but I didn't know. Yeah, so
I don't remember any of that, and I also don't
remember what he was. I didn't realize that he came
from the Pleasure Dome or the Pleasure Center of Hell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
It's like another dimension, sure, And.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
So that I guess my question because that's a set
of bite is essentially people from his land, right, And
they're all like dressed like what you would call probably
like matrix.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
The Matrix look industrial goth y, cyberpunk like goth full leather.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Or vinyl outfits and capes and whatnot. And then they
all kind of look like Pulverhoven total recall character aliens,
like they've got weird faces. There's a kind of a
pig one that looks kind of like a pig.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
So that's butter Ball. He's like a big fat guy
and he does look like a like kind of like
a human pig. And then there's the Chatterer, which is
like he's got a lot of teeth and he's going
with his teeth. And then there's the girl, the girl
cenobite and she's bald. And then there's Pinhead, who's got

(01:02:13):
pins all over his head, right, and those are the
cenobytes that we've met from this land, right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
So I'm like, I guess my question is they're like,
if you open the portal for us, we have to
bring someone back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
That's what it seems like. Yeah, okay, And I'm curious if, like,
does Frank become a cenobyte at a certain point? Is
that like a promotion? How do you become a cenobite? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
That's and that's what I again, many questions, some of
which don't get resolved for me in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
But I think that in the sequel, which I have seen,
the second one, they get more into Pinhead's background, which
I don't really want to know. I don't want to.
I don't really want like him humanized that much. I guess,
you know, I don't want to like like, no, he
was like an accountant from Omaha or something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I guess that was my other question about the sequels,
because I've not seen any of the sequels. I wonder
because obviously Pinhead became the star of the franchise. I mean,
he like became you know, It's like I completely thought
the first hell Raiser was about him so did he
develop his own little stand up routine like Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Over the course of the question, I hope not. Okay,
he scays it would take some of the bite out
of him as an evil character.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
He's not making like sex puns or whatever. Like when
he meets up with people, he's like, you know, saying
some crazy shit, like you know, like coming up with
his own like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
To yeah, his hot, his uh tight five yeah whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Well, yeah, I guess, Yeah, that's a little curious because
I'm like, well, why does it matter. I guess they
do have to bring someone they like, you open the door.
We got to bring someone back. And yeah, you can
look fucked up like we are. So it's either got
to be you or it's got to be Frank.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah. And so Kirsty she runs back to the house
to protect her father from Julia cenobites Frank, you know,
once she's sort of made this deal with the Cenobytes
and she's discovered that Frank has killed her dad, Larry
and taking his skin. And how she finds out that
it's Frank is because he uses his famous phrase, come

(01:04:36):
to daddy. That's something that Larry would never say. Uh,
Frank kills Julia accidentally because he's trying to stab Kirsty.
He didn't seem too disappointed. He's like Surrey, babe. And
then the Cenobytes come, they grab Frank. Frank doesn't seem
too displeased to go back to the pain dimension. He's

(01:05:00):
kind of smiling. He seems okay. Uh, And then you know,
the Cenobites they go back on their word. They try
to bring Kirsty back, and she foils them by simply
closing the puzzle box, which is a little I guess
anti climactic. Sure, it's kind of like, oh, that was
it the thing? Yeah, and it's funny when it's like,

(01:05:26):
don't do that, well, actually, don't do that. But yeah.
And so that is hell Reiser.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
What a thrill.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
So you were extremely excited to be doing this movie
this week, So tell me why, like what you were just?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I just think Clive Barker. He the world of Clive Barker.
And I've only seen Hell Raiser and Night Breed, which
I also love. But it's so specific and unique and
scary and gross, and it feels very eighties in a way.

(01:06:12):
It just feels it feels like nothing that's out right
now and it's so gloomy, and I don't know, it's
got this specific feel, and Cronenberg has sort of a
similar feel to his movies sometimes. But there's just something
about his stuff I find totally intriguing. It feels like

(01:06:34):
it's based in like old mythology, all of his stuff,
but I don't even know quite what it's referencing, but
it just feels like, well, it just feels like it's
a part of a greater myth or something. And yeah,
I'm just sort of captivated by him. And like you said,
you know, I'm a good Catholic boy, and this is

(01:06:57):
the other side of know, this is this is the
stuff I'm not supposed to be watching, you know. It
was supposed to be at church, not watching Clive Barker movies.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
So well, it's funny because I like he To me,
I think it's just because I I went in the
specific era that I was a teenager. He just kind
of his stuff, I would say, even more than like
Stephen King or something. He just had this like goth
fantasy element to him. But I feel like a lot
of like other horror writers maybe didn't have as much

(01:07:31):
like you know, he he to me, like Clive Barker
was to me, seemed real goth industrial, you know, like
I said, dabbled into like the BDSM kink world. There
was always like people that loved him and were kind
of like him. I mean, if you look at pictures
of him from the back in the day, he doesn't
look particularly like a demon from seems.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Kind of like a cool hang. He seems like a
cool dude, Like he cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Dude, like he kind of like, you know, probably an
intense boyfriend, but not like the dark lord that we.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
All thought it was. And I just, you know, I
think that there was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
A long time where I had put those people like
I was like, oh, hey, the Clive Barker kids are
like the kids that were into goth industrial, even though
I messed around with those kids all the time, and
especially now, I told you, I told everybody in the
last podcast I was going goth if Trump got reelected,
and that is fully true.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
So I'm like bring it, you know, like yeah, yeah,
it just feels really it feels really underground, It feels
really countercultural in a really cool way. It feels very queer.
I know, Clive Barker is queer, and so it just
feels like I'm really attracted to things that are like
counter cultural right now, especially as things are becoming more Christian,

(01:08:52):
more conservative, more return to family values stuff. This type
of stuff I kind of see out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
And I'm much more interested in now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Listen, it's the way of the world. I mean, you know,
like what I do think is interesting. I mean, just
as broadly speaking, and we could cut this if we
want to, is that the line between counterculture and actual
culture has been so blurred for so long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I mean, it used to be.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Pretty distinct, and now everything is everything, and you know,
like capitalism in this late iteration has made it really
hard to distinguish between posers and not posers, if you will.
But I think it's a I think that you're right though,

(01:09:42):
the instinct to return to like underground art and even
just like a cult stuff and things that are like
moving away from the kind of hegemonic normative like state
of the world right now of like trad wives and

(01:10:02):
fucking like yeah, rules of fascism and things like that
are I don't know, I think it's important to kind
of dig back into that stuff because totally give me
a release, you know, totally totally Yeah, Well that was
hell raiser.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
This was fun. I really liked being able to watch
this and talk to you about it, Millie. Thank you
for being willing to talk about on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Give Me the Blood.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
All right, moving on, we've got film advice. It's been
a little bit since we've read some film advice. I'm
excited to get into and we have a gripe in here.
There's a gripe, Give me the gripe. Now we got
a gripe, give me the blood. Uh Okay, I'm gonna
read this one. It's from Amber, and I think you

(01:11:02):
know who this person is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I do, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I'm the mother of a five year old boy and
aunt to some amazing teens and young adults. As Casey
has been sharing the TV movie slash movies he's intro
introducing to patients, it led me to hit this question.
What are your favorite movies and TV shows from your
childhood and adolescents that should be passed on to the
next generation of Cinophiles. We've hit most of the classics,

(01:11:27):
but I'd love to hear yours. We've seen Disney Standards,
the Goonies, Willy Wonka both Old and New, Willow Never
Ending Story, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Labyrinth, The Secret of
Nim Miyazaki's For the teams, this is what I recommended,
True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Becky Boy Kills World, all

(01:11:48):
of Tarantino. I don't know what else to say by
Taser all over the Place, Amber. Amber also gave me
a bunch of suggestions on good shows for patients to watch,
but I won't include those because this is a movie
by Mellly. What are your favorite movies and TV shows
from your childhood and adolescens that should be passed on

(01:12:08):
to the next generation of Cinophiles.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
You know, I was really thinking about this because I
just don't think I have a tidy answer. That's okay,
I really don't, because here's the truth. I was always
watching things that were not geared for my age group
as a kid. I was always trying to watch things
for older people, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I have said this a million times on every podcast
that has asked me this question, But like, you know,
I watched a Clockwork Orange when I was like eight
nine years old, and I think that just broke something
in my brain that I just was like maybe I'm
a bit of frank.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Maybe I'm trying to get juice in my own way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
And when it came down to it, there wasn't a
lot of kid entertainment that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
I was like really interested in. I remember loving.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
The cartoon Gem like when I was, you know, in
elementary school a lot, there was a few little cartoons,
but it wasn't like I was really into kids stuff.
I was like trying to go much older. I was
watching you know, like Dynasty with my mom and like
General Hospital with my mom and like soap operas. That

(01:13:24):
cod was kind of early days for me. And then
I moved into like, you know, I was still I
wasn't a teenager yet, but I was obsessed with like
teen stuff, so like Nino two and zero and you know,
Melrose Place, like all these things. You know, So it
was kind of like I was always kind of like
at least five to ten years ahead of my actual age.

(01:13:47):
So for me, it's really hard to suggest like things
from my teen years because I was like they wouldn't
be for kids that age. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you want you want the children watching
Cannibal Holocaust, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Because I was like in a shithead phase earlier than
I think a lot of other people would be, and
so yeah, i'd be like, I don't know if I
would recommend watching Ilse's She Wolf of the SS to
anyone who was a teenager, Like, I just feel so
fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
And so yeah, I don't know, I don't know what
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I mean, honestly, like things like natural Born Killers and
all that stuff that was pretty like most of the
teens want my generation watched all that, like The Reservoir Dogs,
natural Born Killers, like David Lynch, Twin Peaks, like this
kind of stuff. Actually, I think Twin Peaks should probably

(01:14:51):
be up there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I mean I think that I feel like David
Lynch is still so in the culture now that I
have less fear of that getting passed on, you know,
to the young generation, so I feel like it will
I guess. The first thing I came to mind for

(01:15:13):
me was like, I think The Wizard of Oz is
really great, and that is a really old movie at
this point, and so I'm just kind of like, that's
old to a degree that I don't know if kids
are gonna go back and watch that, even though I
think it's great and I guess I was thinking more
of like, are kids now gonna go back and watch

(01:15:39):
French new wave movies right and think that's cool in
the way that I thought that was cool when I
was a teenager. Or is that just so old to
these kids now that it's like this isn't even enjoyable,
you know, same with like even like the film Brat
movies of the nineteen seventies. You know, it's like a
kid's gonna go back and watch five easy pieces now

(01:16:01):
or is it like too antiquated?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
So I mean I feel like if we're gonna move
a bit forward, I think PTA movies are gonna be
that they're just Pta, Christopher Nolan, you know, like Darren Aronofsky,
like all those generation guys are probably gonna be the
new Scorsese DiPalma, you know, Coppola. Sure, I mean, based

(01:16:24):
on the dude profest it was when I went and
saw one battle after another, I would say that that
is gonna happen. It's an inevitability.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
More like one dad'll after another.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
That is incredible, dude, which I would have thought about
that one damn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
And they Yeah. So I mean I think that kind
of answered the question. I don't know if I have
like kids movies. I yeah, like that, I hold as
near and dear that I like. I have stupid ones
like Steven Spielberg's Hook, but I'm not going to be
like that. That needs to be passed down to the
young generation, you know. But thank you, Amber, really appreciate
you writing in Wait at Amber.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
By the way, she's my coworker. So we can go
just go to lunch talk about this more if you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Want to, Yes, please, and I'll FaceTime in. Yes. Just
put me on a little put me on a phone
on the table and I can chime in. Okay, moving on.
This is a question. We get a lot some version
of this question, so I think it's good to talk
about it. Hi, Million Casey. I am seeking your advice

(01:17:39):
regarding my husband and is vastly differing movie tastes. While
I enjoy dark dramas, any and all oscar hopefuls and horror,
my lovely husband favors romantic comedies and fantasy. We rarely
find a movie that we can both enjoy on an
at home date. He prefers to disassociate from reality when
watching and get completely lost in the universe of the story,

(01:18:00):
while I am usually taken out of films that I
can easily predict outcomes or feel that the characters emotionally
operate in a way I find unrealistic. Thank you so much, Mary.
Number one, I've found it very hard to pick movies
to watch with family, and now I'm kind of like,
I don't think you should watch movies with your family.

(01:18:23):
That's my first takeaway. Number two, I have somewhat of
a similar problem with my wife and I, except I
relate to both of you. I like to disassociate a
lot and just watch zombie movies where I don't have
to totally pay attention. I like that type of stuff,
but I also like my broccoli movies. I want to

(01:18:45):
watch The Decalogue by Christoph Kislowski, you know, and Tricia
doesn't really like watching that stuff as much. So I
have what has been titled my Star Trek nights, where
I well watch an episode of Star Trek or I'll
watch some art house bullshit movie by myself, because I
know Trisha doesn't want to watch those types of movies

(01:19:08):
all the time. So I do think you need if
you want to watch your broccoli movies. I think you
know your Oscar movies. You might just have to have
a special night once a week where you do that
on your own. That's my advice.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Well, I'm gladuate in because obviously you're married and you
have this conundrum, whereas yea, I live alone and I
don't even watch movies. As representative of the last couple
weeks of the film Diary, Yeah, a lot of times
I will watch movies for the podcast, and if I
have this like tickle in my throat about a specific genre,

(01:19:47):
Like I said, I went to Video Drum and rented
like three depraved films and was like, I'm gonna watch
all of these movies. But normally it's really not like
what I've been with people, Like if I've been dating people,
I never care. I'm just like, I don't give a
shit about the movie we watch. You have watch whatever
you want to watch. If I don't like it, I'll

(01:20:09):
just look at my phone and just look up once
in a while, try to get the general beats of
the story. Yeah, I mean, my my thing is that
I just hate I think it's because my whole life
is deciding on movies to watch and talking about movies
that if I'm in, if I'm on a date. If

(01:20:29):
I'm hanging out with friends, I just don't want to choose.
I don't want to choose. I'll watch whatever you want
to watch. I mean the other night, when I brought
over der Fan to like my friend's house, I was like,
I could watch this or not, Like it doesn't matter,
Like even though I brought a DVD over, I could

(01:20:50):
easily not watch it. I am not passionate about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, so I think watching a movie with another person
is a social activity, and even though it's your partner,
it is sort of a social thing. So if one
of your I feel like both have to be at
least kind of okay with watching the movie that you're watching.
You know, I don't know. It's it's a tough thing

(01:21:13):
to navigate. And like I said, maybe family members should
never watch movies with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
It's either that you don't watch movies at all, or
one of you has to completely capitulate, like one of
you is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Just gonna it has to not care. One of you
has to be the Frank, and one of you has.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
To be the Julia in this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Oh, I'll be your movie sub how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Okay, very good?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Thank you? So much for that, Mary all Right, Moving
on to a film gripe from Mollie, I have an
admittedly silly film grip to write about. What is it
with that scene that's in every other movie where we
where we are showing a character from above laying in
a bath, looking up, often into the camera. Then they

(01:21:58):
submerge themselves under the water, while keeping their eyes open
and continuing to look into the camera. No one has
ever done this in real life, or at least I
and the people I've spoken with this about have never
done it. I think it's generally meant to symbolize being
overwhelmed in the face of a struggle, but I just
find it hacky and annoying. What confuses me most is
that it's often in otherwise high quality, unconventional, non trophy things.

(01:22:22):
The most recent example I come across was watching twenty
eleven's The Hunter with Willem Dafoe a couple of weeks ago,
and it inspired me to write in Mollie, this is funny.
I haven't really thought about this, but this does happen
in movies a lot. I think it happened in the
movie Jacob's Ladder. I remember that where it's someone submerged
into bath looking up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Okay, because I was like, did this happen in a
nightmare on ELM Street? I don't remember, Like, so okay,
essentially what Molly is saying as a person is being
shot from above on their back dipping into a bathtub.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah, and then they open their eyes underwater and look up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Okay, So this is not somebody taking like a relaxing bath.
This is like a stress bath. Okay, got it. Okay,
no one has ever done this real life. Have you
ever taken a stress bath?

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Casey, I've taken it a bath if I've been stressed out,
not often, but it's happened. But I don't open my
eyes underwater because if I'm having a stress bath, there's
gonna be some fun bubbles in there, maybe a bath bomb.
I don't want that getting into my eyes, so I'm
not opening my eyes underwater. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I very rarely take baths, and they're definitely not stressful.
So I've never done this. I've never done it in
real life. To Molly's point, I've never done this in
real life, so I think it would drive me crazy
if I had seen it over and over.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
It's always like the bath water is like crystal clear too,
which is sort of funny in these situations. This is
sort of the cousin of the splashing water in your
face when at the sink in a public bathroom when
you're stressed out. You know, you see that in movies
a lot to see. Have you ever done that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Have I ever splashed water in a public sink? Is
that what we're saying?

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Like, you go into a bathroom, you're stressed out at work,
You turn on the sink and you like start splashing
water in your face to try to cool yourself down.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Yeah, I've done it because I've cried at work several
times and I have to okay, wash the tears away,
I see have you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
I'm sure I have. Have I cried in a bathroom,
a public bathroom?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
One of the best pleasures of life, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
To let to cry in a pub in a bathroom,
oh yeah, at work? Yeah, and in the stall in
a stall. Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Fee? Yeah? When I worked at Max Fun, they only
had one bathroom in the office, and so if you
wanted to cry, I had to go to your car.
Oh that's even better.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So have you ever cried in a parking deck in
the car.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Oh oh, yeah, I do that like maybe once a week, wow,
because of work or just like life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Yeah, I think it's hormonal, to be honest, because I
have a bit of a commute now, and I noticed
that when I listen to music in the morning, I
usually end up crying. And then I'm like parking my
car in the parking deck and then I just like
have my cry and then I go into work.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
My favorite current place to cry is staring out the
window when I'm washing dishes at the side. That's a
good cry actually, And it's the same reason. I'll listen
to music in the morning and I'm like I am affected.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Yes, oh it's like and it's like the song that
will play like if I'm in the car, it's not
necessarily a sad song.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
It's it doesn't even have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Sometimes I can be like joyous and then I get
caught up in the moment of like the joyousness of
the song, and I'm like, yeah, I should be having
this much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Why am I not?

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I'm crying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Sometimes I can't go on TikTok because I just for
some there's some tiktoks that just make me weep, oh
much like sometimes they have like beautiful cinematic compilations from
movies that I'm just like, oh, oh, I know, or
it's like moments of true grace and sincerity, like in
a video on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Yeah, there was one that I reposted. It was a
Filipino grandma who had her own restaurant, and she was like,
thank you for coming to my restaurant.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, have we lost
the plot of this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
We have lost the plot a little bit. And we're
both crying thank you to everybody who wrote in thank
you Mollie for that gripe. I hear you, and I'm
gonna look for that now. Mollie also had a question
about picking movies to watch with her family, but we
just you know, covered that. Millie. Wow, what a great episode.

(01:27:15):
We really got kinky on this one. Now it's time
for employees picks. I'm recommending the movie Clive Barker made
after Hell Raiser called Night Breed from nineteen ninety. It's
sort of a similar vibe of Hell Raiser. It's kind

(01:27:38):
of also sort of confusing. There's like this ancient civilization
that lives under a cemetery and they are called the
night Breed, and they are monsters. They are like monster
people and they're dead kind of. It's the name of
this land is called Midian, and the main character played

(01:28:03):
by Craig Scheffer is sort of called by this place Midian,
and he's connected to it somehow and he becomes one
of these creatures eventually. And it's really a fascinating movie.
It's great character design, it's creepy, it's sexual. David Cronenberg

(01:28:28):
plays a very evil doctor in it, and he plays
like a very good villain in this movie. And it
has a very similar vibe to Hell Raiser. So if
you like Hell Raiser, you would like Nightbreed. Nightbreed nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
I have a friend Elrick Kine, who is the co
host of the Pure CENTERMA podcast. He's a horror director
himself in LA and this is one of his favorite
movies Night Read It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
A lot of Clive Barker movies. He had a hard
time with studio interference, and I think this had some
studio interference issues because it's so bizarre, I guess, and
but check out, So maybe you should watch the director's cut.

(01:29:25):
I don't always recommend the director's cut, but for this
I think I would. But yeah, so check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
So my field recommendation for this week is kind of
it's a it's a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
I guess we're gonna since we are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Talking about BDSM and kink and fetish stuff slightly with
hill Raiser, I wanted to recommend maybe one of the
ogs of horror that sort of dabbles in the kind
of fetish ish world, the kink world, the BDSM world,

(01:30:02):
which is Peeping Tom from nineteen sixty directed by Michael Powell.
Of course, of the archers Powell and Pressburger, they made
some of the most beautiful movies of all time. But
this is a movie that you know, has been studied
and talked about for decades, and it's basically a psychological

(01:30:26):
horror film about a serial killer who murders women and
records them with his camera as he's killing them, and
then he kind of puts it together and makes his
own little porno snuff film. And I mean, this was

(01:30:48):
hugely controversial when it came out, like in nineteen sixty, right,
and we did have things like Psycho and there was
a lot of kind of horror that was kind of
moving into this like psychological realm of like what would
be called like kind of deviant sexual behaviors kind of thing.

(01:31:11):
But I mean, I recently we saw there was the
restoration of Peeping Tom that came out probably like a
year ago in theaters and the colors are fucking amazing.
It looked incredible, The restoration looked incredible. But I was like,
you know, for nineteen sixty, this, uh, this is still

(01:31:33):
pretty you know, pretty effective.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Like it is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Not like, you know, a horror movie that's really tame tame.
It still hits pretty hard. And I mean this movie
was all has talked been talked about, you know, by
like Laurel Moulvie and all these film scholars. It's like,
you know, a lot of film theory was centered in
a movie like Peeping Tom. But I just figured since
we're on the topic of Weird six, that we were

(01:32:03):
gonna have to bring up Peeping Tom nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
I've never seen it. It's on my list. I gotta
check it out. Do it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I think you'll love it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Millie. We're talking about a movie that's been on my
list for a long time. Next week, and I'm excited
to talk about it. Did you recommend this one or
did I? I think I did? Maybe I think you did.
We're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Watch a movie from nineteen eighty nine next week called
and this is again probably is this the last of
our horror month?

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
It is?

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Yeah, So we're going out with a bag. We're going
to talk about the nineteen eighty nine film Tetsu the
Iron Man, which is quite a film if you've not
heard of it. It is a Japanese kind of science
fiction horror film. And I mean there's you can see it,
like I think it's on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
On slings on canopy for firm so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Canopy, that's perfect you can watch it for if you
have a library subscription. Anyway, Yeah, we're gonna be talking
about that. That is gonna be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
So this movie is only sixty four minutes long, So
I like that too. Wow? Wow? Wait did it? We
sure certainly did, Millie. Thank you for another great show.
This was really fun for me. To all our listeners
out there. If you'd like to write in to get
film advice, to express a gripe, a grit or consensual group,

(01:33:33):
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spooky week.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Thank you so much, and I hope you do too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Thank you, Bye bye, see ya.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Kasey O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
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Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
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