I Saw What You Did - The Bouncer at the Pumpkin Patch

Danielle and Millie discuss I LOVE YOU TO DEATH (1990) and RIVER'S EDGE (1986), sexual awakenings, appreciation for nunchakus, and how sometimes it just ain't that deep.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What
You Did.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
My name is Millie to Jericho.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Daniel Henderson.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hey and uh hey, we're doing another podcast about movies.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Danielle, what's up?

Speaker 4 (00:23):
Not much is up? Yeah, I feel like I don't
have much to report.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
I had a.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Journey to find coffee on Sunday morning, which was I
only mentioned because it's like it was shockingly it took
a shockingly terrific amount of time for me to get
a cup of coffee on Sunday morning.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Okay, well do this for me because I always feel
like I can visualize where you're at, right, But you
say you're like an hour from New York City, so
you're but you're in a very rural area.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Right, yes, very rural. Okay, So is there there have
to be coffee shops though, right? Or are there or not?
I could be wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Yeah, Okay, Well this is the thing, Like, there's there's
if you want your chain coffee, You've got dunkin Donuts
in my town. But there are lots of like several
you know, several small small owned businesses you know, in
the downtown main street area. One of those is completely
off limits because the owner was at the insurrection and

(01:26):
like possibly took part in it.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh so I don't go there.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
God, yeah, okay, understood.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
So my option is then limited to three places, Dunkin
Donuts and two local. One is a restaurant that serves coffee.
One is a coffee shop that serves like dessert. It's Sunday,
and again, all of us would be solved if I
had a kitchen and could make my own fucking coffee
in my house. Right I cannot do that right now,

(01:57):
So I have to go out for coffee. So it's Sunday.
I figure I'm gonna get a nice coffee. It was
a beautiful day, could not be more gorgeous. And I
drive to dunkin Donuts. I'm like, you know what, that's
going to hit the spot. I want a dunkin Donuts
iced coffee, milk and sugar. It's gonna be like my
treat for the whole day.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
When I tell you that dunkin Donuts was closed, and
this is like eleven o'clock on a Sunday morning, they
were so closed that they had signs up that were
like we're hiring, but not until next week. He could say,
you were a fully running, years long operation that just
closed for a week for no reason.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
And I didn't know that. I don't know if they
were cleaning.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I don't know if they were reorgan I have no
idea what they were doing while they were closed. But
they were just closed and I could not recover. Let
me just say that.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, I have to admit something to you right now.
I'm not saying that this is the reason why they
were closed. But I used to work at Dunkin Donuts.
I don't know if I told you that. No, that
was my very first job ever when I was fifteen.
It was literally like the weekend after I turned fifteen.

(03:16):
My dad was like, all right, you ready to go
start applying for jobs. I was like, damn, I just
fucking turned fifteen, Okay, So we drove around my town.
I probably like within the twenty minutes of us leaving
the house, I ended up with an application at Dunkin Donuts.
I was hired like two hours later, And the next

(03:38):
weekend I started working at Duncan Donuts. So I've effectively
been employed like a week after, you know, I turned
fifteen or whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So holy shit.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
When I was working at Duncan Donuts. I worked myself
up to the manager.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was a key holder. I was a key holder.
I don't know if it was a manager, but I
definitely owned keys. That's still a lot of respont damn.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It is a responsibility, yes, and I uh normally took
it pretty seriously. But uh, there was a couple times
where I was working with my friend Mikey and we
were like, hey, what do you say we closed down
the restaurant, go to the mall, Millie and we did that, Like, yeah,

(04:22):
we did it a couple times.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Ah ah.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And it was literally like a Sunday at eleven thirty
or two pm.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
It was like in the middle of the day.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
To be fair, you were teenagery. What do I always say?
What do I always say? You leave a teenager in charge?
You get what you get exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
It in retrospect, it's totally not whoever hired me shouldn't
have hired me in my fifteen year old friends obviously,
But I want to offer that as a possible explanation
as to why the fucking Duncan Donuts was closed at
a very crucial moment of a Sunday where people need
coffee I.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Would accept that, except it was literally closed for a week.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh okay, a week straight. And I'm like, unless.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
They fucked off for the whole week, which is possible.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
A somebody really had a Ferris Bueller's day off. They
had like a Ferris Bueller's week off. They were like,
fuck it, we're not open this place. And they took
every single employee with them.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yes, like they were rolling so deep in Duncan Donuts
money that they took every employee with them on their
rum springer, which.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I would love. I would love to hear that story.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yes, yes, But there's so I'm like, all right, no
Dunkin Donuts here, There's a Dunkin Donuts six miles away
in the next town over, okay, because that's what I
was craving for that day. I'm like, I'm going to
get that particular kind of ice coffee. Go over to
the next town. Guess what is also closed for no
fucking reason.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Two Duncan Donuts closed. What dose Dunkin Donuts closed?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
And then I was like, well, I could drive to
the big town, which is thirty minutes away, where like
the Target and all that shit is. But I'm not
gonna do that at this point, I cannot drive thirty
minutes without coffee, like I can't.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm I'm malfunctioning at this point.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
So I decide to go back to town, towards my
town and I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna
get dunkin Donuts today, and it's fine. I'm going to
get a regular coffee from my little local place. Can't
go to the Insurrection place, wow. So I go to
the rest. I looked to the restaurant that I like.
It's you know, I don't want to sit down and eat,
but I always love their coffee. I can go grab

(06:38):
it and go. I go in, or I try to
go in and there is no parking anywhere because it's Sunday.
So it's the Farmer's market in the parking lot. That
is where they put the Farmer's market in the town
parking lot off of Main Street, and every other space
is taken because people are driving up here in droves

(07:02):
to pick fucking apples.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh no, the apple pickers.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
The streets are teeming with families and double wide strollers
and fucking nanas and like people I've never seen before
in my fucking life. And I was like Oh my god,
it fucking hit me like I live in a tourist town.
I cannot leave my house or enjoy my own town
on the weekends anymore.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
That's not how it works anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
So I couldn't stop at the two spots in town,
and I couldn't stop at the Insurrection Place, and I
refuse to go to Burger King for coffee.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
True, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Desperation not that deep.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
So then I thought, all right, I'm gonna drive out
towards town the I'm gonna drive out of town the
other way, and I'm gonna hit up my favorite farm stand.
Farm stand will have me covered. I try to go
to the farm stand. And if you thought town was Mayhem,
it was like Death Race five that Like it was
like I can't even tell you how many fights I

(08:01):
saw just driving by the parking lot, like people just
yelling about like I was going to park and then
there's like kids throwing pumpkins in the air and like
fucking apples whizzen by, like it was chaos. And I
was like, Nope, not doing that. Can't go to the
farm stand for coffee. When I tell you that, I
had to drive to New Jersey for coffee on Sunday morning.

(08:24):
It sounds incredibly dramatic, but I real live right. I
live right on the New Jersey border, so it's truly
only fifteen minutes away. Yeah, but I enjoy saying I
had to drive to New Jersey for coffee.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I mean, I mean, first of all, that story gave
me anxiety many times. Okay, like after the second Dunkin
Donuts being closed, I was like, oh shit, like strap
the fucking this is gonna be a fucking trial.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'm nervous for her.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, But then you add all of the fucking the
fall merriment aspects of it, being like, oh I can't
access this essential good that I need to start my day. Yes,
because of like fall fucking festival antics. Yeah, I'm like,

(09:16):
oh my god, this kid, this is potentially infesting everywhere
you live, Like it could be thirty miles north, thirty
miles south in every direction where you're not gonna find
a place to get coffee.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm getting I was getting roll nervous. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I now have to basically on Friday nights, get large
iced coffees without ice for the weekend because I cannot
leave my house on the weekends.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I totally forgot.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
When I lived here and I was growing up here,
it wasn't as bad as it is now, but we
had some of this. Like I was like, all right,
apple picking seasons just sucks. Get out of town when
you can, like whatever. But now that I am an
adult who has like errands to run, yeah, I can't
with these apple folks. I can't with the apple folks.
CA I can't do it. Go to a grocery store.

(10:03):
Just go to shop, right, They've got bags of fresh
apples there from the orchard down the road.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Like, just go to shopright.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I have to be able to like get medicine if
I need it instead of going through the throngs of
you and all your children and your merriment and looking
at the leaves and the trees. I'm just I'm a grouchy,
scroogy bitch all throughout the fall. And I know I'm
going to be this way because I cannot get simple,
basic life sustaining coffee because everyone wants to come up

(10:34):
here and look at a goddamn tree.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Like, here's what I'll say about this type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
When I see my own nephews at a fucking pumpkin farm.
I'm like, oh my god, this is the cutest thing
in the world. Okay, beyond that, I'm like, y'all can
keep that shit right, because it's like, if it doesn't
involve my blood relatives, then I kind of don't care
about a pumpkin farm slash apple orchard slash fall festival.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, because you're right, it does create a lot of
chaos for people. And really, it's like.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Most people go because they want to take fucking pictures
for Instagram. But does anybody really be like, oh my god,
these apples are so incredible.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
You can only get them at this one.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Place that has fucking head cut out boards where you
can have your children put their heads in the fucking
farmer's tractor or whatever.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I guarantee those apples are rotting on somebody's table right now,
And I couldn't get coffee so you could go get
those apples that are rotting in your goddamn fruit bowl
right now.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Nobody's like I need that apple from that one place
an hour from here, And they should treat this shit
like they do at Christmas.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
You line up, you take your fucking picture, you get
in your car, and you go home.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yes, it should definitely be like a fucking Christmas story
scenario where there's like grumpy elves, like grumpy scarecrows that
are like, all right, who's next, get the kid on
the pumpkin, let's go.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Sign me the fuck. I'll be the grumpiest elf of
all time. I'd be like, you don't even like pumpkins.
This kid doesn't even get him out of here. Like
I'd be like a bouncer, the bouncer at the pumpkin patch.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
A bouncer at a pumpkin patch.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I good bye, but yeah, I'm totally grouchy. And I'm like, oh,
I understand why people want to come here.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's why I bought a fucking house and moved here.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, what the fuck dude.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Well, and that's the thing about tourist towns. Full time
residents are like, fuck this shit. Like we're just trying
to like do our fucking errands, right, and now we
got all this other shit to contend with. And honestly,
your situation was trying to find a coffee ooh.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
It was. It was a very precarious situation. I did
have to drive to another state to get coffee. I
cannot wait for my fucking kitchen to be done. And
now I know that I have to plan on being
housebound and shut in every weekend until people get this
apple shit out of their system. And it's not even
like it used to be, where like, oh, apples are

(13:19):
only available this time of year. No, we're monsters. We
made everything available all year round, all the time. Now
you can get a fucking lime in the middle of January.
You can get a pineapple in in April, like nothing
matters anymore. You have apples all year round. I'm livid.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you, like, you
need a plan B Like I'm thinking, dude, is it Wait,
does your refrigerator work?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Is your refrigerator running?

Speaker 4 (13:48):
My refrigerator is running, okay, And I'm getting ice coffee
from the local place without ice, and I'm gonna get
two big ones and just put them in my fridge.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, every Friday.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I was gonna say, in a pinch, like I think
a lot of gas stations now sell like gross like
pre made iced coffee jugs that you know you can
put in your refrigerator. You'd have to probably dilute it
with a lot of water. It's not great, but in
a pinch. How dare you?

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I know?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
How dare you?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I know?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm just saying, Hey, emergency situation.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I have one single more joy in my life on
a day to day basis, and it's fucking coffee. I
refuse to treat my guts to gas stations.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Swill you don't want.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Pre creamed vanilla hazelnut ice coffee mixes?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Wait, make my carrot pukes down. Listen, you're talking to
a no bigger coffee stop.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
That's one of the things that I think bonds us
together is the fact that we are fucking into coffee
big time, and we're snobs about it.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's what I love about you.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I love it. I fucking love it.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
If it pays me to have suggested that, however, trade
this as if it was a natural disaster. The natural
disaster is people's fucking families.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
And their Instagram accounts and prepare you know you're being rational,
and I appreciate it. I shouldn't have been so hasty
to turn down your gas station option, but I get it.
I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it, but I
appreciate how rational you are. I did drive by a
gas station that was like any size coffee ninety nine cents,
and I just like spit out the window, like I

(15:30):
would rather drive to another fucking state to get coffee.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
This question, legit, what is the worst coffee you've ever had?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I do? Yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
And it has to be cross country? Okay, what's that big?
It's like a huge the Ta centers.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh yeah, the travel I know exactly what you're talking about.
They have them in Florida.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Yep. When I was driving out to All THEA and
just thought, i'll drive through the night, I'll save some time,
I'll drink some coffee. And I got a coffee from
the Ta rest stop place, and I basically would have
been better off, just like renting a toilet.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, that shit ran through me.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
So it was so bitter to taste. I could not
put enough milk or sugar in it. Too bitter and
just genuinely ran through me. I was like this twenty something,
you're like early twenties, young woman on her own in
the dark at like two am, driving looking for a
bathroom and being like, if I stop, I'll get murdered.
But if I don't stop, I'm shitting my pants in

(16:39):
my car. So the worst cup of coffee for taste,
but also for the situation to put me in.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, oh yeah, that sounds terrible. What about you.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I can remember it like it was fucking yesterday, man,
Like I was in Ashville, North Carolina with my two friends.
I was in my twenties. We decided to go up
to Ashville and just kind of like go hiking and
do some shit. And we stayed at this extremely cheap motel.
It wasn't like it wasn't like a Laura Palmer situation,

(17:13):
but it was, you know, it was.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It was sort of clean.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It was like a little bit better than you know,
a Twin Peaks motel. But it's again sounds a little
bit like your situation where it was like a Sunday,
it was pasted a certain time, so nothing is open
and everything is like super far away, and so I
was like, well, I really want some coffee. I guess

(17:36):
I'm gonna have to make the coffee that's in the
motel room.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh and Lord have mercy.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I was like, that thing has probably been sitting there
since nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I try to put that powdered creamer in.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It comes with the napkin and the stir in that
plastic wrap thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Brutal and single use plastic no thing.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh yes, it was, and I barely it was barely enough.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean I would say it was probably eight ounces.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
It didn't give me much, and I was like, I
don't even know if I could drink this.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Like I'm desperate for coffee.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm in my twenties, so I have no taste, but
I'm like, even now, I don't think it was. It
was awful, and I'll remember like always because it was
truly the grossest cup of coffee I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
That is oh god.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, I could feel so many parts of that story
in my body as you were saying, yes.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, hopefully you will not have to deal with something
like that.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Now you know you have to be prepared. Now you
know the.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Orchards are on fire, oh my gosh, and got you
gotta come up with a plan. B.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
So the orchards are too hot, and it's I'm gonna
get myself through orchard season. But then I know that
fucking Christmas is right around the corner, and that shit
doesn't need any better because people are all like.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh my god, look at the little church with the lights.
It's I live in. It's too quaint where I live.
It's too quaint.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yes, we need to dial down the quaint factor by
a lot so that I can move around.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I'm wiley. I like to bob and weave.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I'm shifty, and I can't be shifty here because everyone
wants to stop and talk about the fucking sign post and.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I can't help it. I'm like, I don't want to
do this.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
You're gonna have to start spreading rumors that like there's
ghosts or some shit, or like there's like hauntings or
oh yeah you know which activity or heavy metal kids
like burden.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Fucking bonfires or something. This is gonna be some sleepy
hollow shit. It's gonna be some sleepy hollow level ghost stories.
Or I don't come here.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
But hey know in those assholes they will be like, hell, yeah,
let's go bring it.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I love a ghost.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, more people will come for the ghost stories. They'll
be like I can eat an apple and see a ghost.
Fucking great weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh my god. I have to get over it.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I won't.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
You cannot win. It's my own fault. I did it
to myself. It's my own fault.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Here we are.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
But you know what I loved about this weekend, aside
from not being able to get any coffee on Sunday
until almost one o'clock in the afternoon, I loved the
movies we watched this week for this episode.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh my god, I did too. I have to.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Say, just for the record, I'm starting to get self
conscious about all of the Well, I'll let you say
that the theme first, and then I'll tell my story.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
What's our theme this week?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh my god, it gives me such great pleasure to
tell you all. The theme for this week is hoarty
for None John Wick Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
See.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
That's so, That's what I want to say.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
I'm starting to get a little self conscious about the
level the amount of horny material we have on the
show because I am not a horny person in real life,
like I will. I do not want to date. I
don't want any of this shit, and I know horny
this doesn't always relate to relationships, but I'm just just
putting it out there. I'm starting to get self conscious
about the amount of horny material because I can see

(21:18):
it now in our comments. Someone's gonna say, oh, I
thought this theme was, you know, crime crimes against women
that are unfounded, and we're gonna be like, no, it's horny.
And they're gonna be like, you guys are fucking dumb.
We just guessed like some academic, like dissertation level theme
and you're like, no, it's horny again.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I know.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
It always pays me with somebody like either on Instagram
or Twitter is like really thinking about it. They're like,
oh my god, I'm like really really like trying to
connect the dots, and they come up with this like
incredible you know, through line between the two movies, and
it's something that like is really interesting and complex.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
And then it's like, not, ain't that deep, Like when
the two of us are like that deep, Like you're like,
oh God, Like, it pays me to say that it
ain't that deep. Sometimes. Oh no.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
But here's the thing I will say at our defense. Okay,
a lot of people think horniness can't exist with that
great art. Obviously we prove that beyond the shadow of
a doubt with our bracket from earlier this year. But
I argue that horniness is inherent to cinema. That's what
I say, I say that the screen and watching things

(22:34):
on the screen, Like, you can't sit in a movie
theater and watch Keanu Reeves be like twenty feet tall
and not feel a little something. I don't care who
you are. Yeah, this is true, and that is what
the cinema does. It causes us to desire things.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Okay, you know what, I'm fine to blame it on cinema.
I'm good with that.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I'm back.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yes, I'm ready to He's made us horny. It's not
our fault.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I'm sitting here in my non horny life. And then
I have to do homework for this podcast, and all
of a sudden, I'm like, oh oops, haha, it's the movies.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
They do it to us.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
But I also, I'm really excited about how dirt baggy
Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Is in both of these films.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh my god, this is what I love. This is
like what I was really interested in this week. Because Okay,
we're saying it's non john Wick because that's an inside
joke obviously between Danielle and I, because we bring up
john Wick like every fucking week. The john Wick trilogy
is essentially pornography to the both of.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Us, and your mom, like, we talk about it a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, and we talk about Keanu Reeves a lot. I
think you know this about us. So we were like, okay,
let's talk about Kanu Reeves, but we're not allowed to
talk about John Wick. And then we both came to
the table with two movies where he's basically the same dude,
ah good, Like, he's definitely on the dirt bag scale

(23:55):
on both movies.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
There we was so he has done so many movies,
we had so much to pick from, and we both
were like, how about this movie where he's as gross
as possible?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, I have to say I know you're going first
this week. Your movie brought me so much fucking joy
that I just I don't even know where to put
these feelings because I don't think i've seen it since
it came out, which meant that when I did see it,
I was really young. I was probably about ten or eleven,

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and it brought back so many feelings of like my
parents and being Italian and like all this shit.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I mean, it's like, I loved.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Your movie so much and I just cannot wait to
hear about it from you.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
I just cannot Well, let's not wait let's get into
it because my movie for this week for the theme
of Horny four, non John Wick Keanu Reeves is released
in nineteen ninety was directed by Lawrence Casten, was written
by John Costmeyer, and it's I Love You to.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Death Divorce never first good for you to die, Rosalie.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh my god, this movie.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I swear I love that you picked it. I love
that you picked it.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I have such fond memories of this movie being just
as bonkers as it actually is. Yeah, first and foremost,
you're gonna have to suspend disbelief a little bit because
Kevin Klein is playing a very Italian man named Joey Boca.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yes, Kevin Klein is that good?

Speaker 4 (25:38):
He can play Cole Porter and Joey Boca.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah. I was like, oh, he is got that a
talent accent, which is I gotta say, It's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Sometimes but very interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I want to say this for the record too, just
like right off the back, because I knew we were
going to talk about him as an Italian guy in
this movie. Honestly, I don't know if anybody out there
is a fan of like sixties Italian film, Like there
is a film from the early sixties called Mafioso, and

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it's this Italian comedy and it was directed by this
Italian filmmaker named Alberto Latuada. And Alberto Sorti, who's the
actor that is in that movie, looks exactly like Kevin
Klein and.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I Love You to Death, or I should say Kevin
Klein and I.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Love You to Death looks exactly like Alberto Sorti in Mafioso.
And it's also a comedy about families and about you know,
the mafia or whatever. And so there's a moment where
I thought, I wonder if this is what he's channeling
as he's channeling this like sixties Italian.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Comedic nic or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
And the minute I made that connection, I was like,
this is so awesome.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Even if it's not intentional, the fact that he looks
exactly like him is great.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
I absolutely love that connection, and I would not put
it past someone as studied as Kevin Klein. Yes to
do that, Yes, I really, and I'm saying that with
all seriousness.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
The man is a gem.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I had my sexual awakening watching this movie when he
was tossing pizza in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
He is in my heart forever.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
They filmed some scenes of In and Out, another movie
that he was in with Joan Cusack and a bunch
of other people. They filmed some scenes at a church
in my town when I was in high school, and
I knew even then, like, I can't get anywhere near
this man.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
I'm too young to go to jail for the rest
of my life.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
You had your sexual awakening to Kevin Kline as an
Italian guy flipping pizzas.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Possibly this movie or The January Man, but he was
definitely involved.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Let's just say that.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I saw him in one of those films and I
was like.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yes, men are okay.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Wow, I love it. I love to hear it.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
So this film, I'll give you my little one sentence
synopsis before we get into the plot and talking about
this film. So this is a movie based on a
true story of a woman who, after catching her philandering
husband in the act, commits herself to trying to kill him.

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And it takes nearly five times. Just again, run through
this incredible cast. Yes, Kevin Klein's playing Joey. Tracy Ullman
plays Rosalie, his wife. Joan Plowwright plays Mama Naja, her mother.

(28:58):
Joan Plowwright is a dream of vision, stunning, hilarious, river.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Phoenix, rest in Peace.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
King plays Devo, who is an employee of the pizza
shop that Joey owns. William Hurt and Keanu Reeves play
Harlan and Marlin, two guys who are hired to kill Joey. God.
And when I tell you that William Hurt Academy Award
winning actor William Hurt, children of a Lesser God, William

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Hurt has never been better, I am not exaggerating, has
never been big chill.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
William Hurt has never been better.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Than he was as Harlan and I Love you to death.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
So this film is really interested in the beginning, in
setting up the comic tragedy that is about to follow.
So for a long time you see Joey's life, like
you see the pizza place where his kids come after school,
and they sit at the counter and they eat lunch,
and you know, have a sight sent a coke and

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there's a there's pictures on the wall that made me
laugh instantly. I was laughing from the minute this fucking
movie started. You've got a picture of JFK, the Pope,
Jesus and Mary and Frank Sinatra. Yes, just like the
Holy there's a Holy Trinity plus Sinatra. But I love it,
and you know, and Rosalie works there, and Divo is like,

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this really kind of hippie, chill guy, but his brother
knows a bunch of people who have been imprisoned, and
it's just kind of a little family, family business. And
Divo also really loves Rosalie, like he's into her, but
she loves she loves Joey, and he asks her one
day they're sitting down and he's like, what would you

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do if you found out he was cheating on you?
Because he knows he's seen this guy in action. And
she says, I'd kill myself and if that didn't work,
I'd kill him. So going back for a moment to
the real life story of this movie, the real life
couple were named Tony and Francis Toto and they lived

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in Allentown, Pennsylvania, and this is where the movie takes place.
So yes, so it's like a Pennsylvania East Coast family.
At the time of the article I read in the
Chicago Tribune in nineteen ninety, when the movie came out,
they were still married and they'd been married for twenty
four years. They had four kids two grandchildren. But she,

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the real life woman Francis went to jail. She had
to plead guilty to two felonies and went to prison
for four years. And this article, again, this is a
direct quote from the Chicago Tribune. Tony sold the pizza
restaurant they owned and found a forty hour a week
job as a printer at a substantial cut in income
so he could spend more time with the children while

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she was away. They were reunited when she was released
from prison two years ago.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
End quote.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
So she really went to prison, He really waited for her,
she really came out and they really stayed together.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wow, that is insane.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Yeah, so that is the real life couple behind this film.
But what happens it's so unbelievable that it makes it
funnier somehow. So essentially you get this really cute scene
of Kevin Klein dancing with his real life wife Phoebe
Kate's and Mama and Naja is like at home soldering

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because she can fix anything. And Rosalie has gone to
this library and seen Joey cheating, so she comes home
and she's upset and Mama Naja, Mama Na just trying
to like console her, but you know, she takes a
bunch of Bayar aspirin and tries to kill herself.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
That doesn't work, so.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
She sets out.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
She goes forward with her plan of trying to kill him,
and her mother is part of the plot to kill
this man.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh god, I have to say so this this film
was actually really heartwarming in so many ways for me,
even though I mean it's a black comedy obviously, and
there's attempted murder happening, But the relationship between Rosalie and
her mother, I was like, literally like this is the
best mother daughter relationship I've ever seen on screen. Part

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of me is like, you know what, I think if
I was in this situation, my mom would pull some
shit like this. My own mother, I think, would actually
be like, yeah, let's fucking.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Get this guy who broke your heart.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
You know that moment of like where the mother's like, hell, yeah,
let's go. I got you know, I don't want to
fix shit. I'm like, I'm a guyver type and I
can really get this done for you.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Was like, oh my god. It made me miss my mom.
Like I was like, oh, I missed my mom.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
The mom starts singing, I got five on it.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Ah so good, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Your mom would totally do.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I can see your mom like soldering together a car
engine and then like taking a bat and trying to
kill someone. And that is my highest compliment, I mean
met with all of the complimentary juice I can muster.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
She's got the prison tattoo.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
She might as well, you're gonna be uninvited from Christmas
if we keep talking about.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh good, But so she does. So they try. They
try to kill him five times.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
So the first time, Mom and Naja hires someone one
of her friend's grandsons to swing a bat, like, try
to hit him with a bat, and he's wearing a
Lincoln mask and it's kind of funny because the guy
messes up, and when Joey comes inside, she's like, what
did he look like?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
And he's like, he looked like a blinking coming.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Up to bat.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Then Joey gets a gun for his own protection that
ends up backfiring. The second time they try to kill him,
Mama Naja basically fucks with his car, tries to blow
up his car. Doesn't work, thankfully because Rosalie's in the
car with him. The third time, Rosalie decides to spike

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the tomato sauce that she's making for dinner with two
bottles of sleeping pills.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, just in the.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Tomato sauce, melt him in there. He gets tired, he
doesn't die. He gets back on his feet when he
like after he takes a dump and he's like, I'm
good to go, and she's like he is inhuman, Like
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
How is this possible? I'm not how is this possible?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
And the kids are away for the weekend, like she
thought enough ahead, but she's basically has to give him
like four bowls of pasta and then she calls Divo
and she's like, Divo, I need you to shoot him
because he won't he won't die.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
So Divo comes over.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
And he's like this is possibly my favorite.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
River Phoenix scene in this movie, where he's like, I
have to get myself together, give me a minute, and
he like closes the door and goes into the den.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And he's like, all right, get your shit together, and
then he comes back.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
That's all it takes, like all right, get your shit together,
get your shit together, and he comes back out, but
Divo does. Divo shoots him in the head, and he's
still alive. He's still walking around. He's still saying like,
I'm sleepy, I've got a virus. I don't know what
happened to me. So then here come the warm jets,
Here comes my favorite bar.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
So Divo decides to hire Harlan and Marlin to kill Joey.
So he goes down to this bar again, William Hurt
and Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves look is so feral in
this film.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
But dare I say we are horny?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Four? Four?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Of course I'm terrible taste. This is noted.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I love.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I love a guy that has like his the sides
of his head shaved like indiscriminately.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Just it looked like it looked like that, remember that
mister bucket toy, or like what was the the water wiggle?
It looks like a water wiggle was holding onto a razor.
That was That's how I can how it described that haircut. Ah, well,
he just laid down on the grass under a fucking
water wiggle and let that razor go to town. But he's

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so funny because they're basically playing like these incredibly drugged out,
like really really really drugged out dudes who are very
slow moving. They take a taxi to the scene of
the crime. They jump at the slightest provocation. Everything freaks

(37:56):
them out. They are the one of the greatest tag
team do in the in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
For sure. For this movie alone.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Even though I know that River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves
have done more movies together, this is my favorite pairing.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Oh my gosh, totally. And they have such different energies.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I mean, it's like the thing where they're like, you know,
obviously they're somehow connected. I mean, he, you know, Devo
knows these two fucking chuckle heads. But the fact that
they're both in the same movie and they're both kind
of like like, Keanu is definitely more of like he's
definitely a groder, as I would call them. I don't
know if anybody listen to the heavy Metal episode, but
he was like a classic groter, and uh, River Phoenix

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was more of like kind of a hippie spiritual guy.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
It was so great, Oh god, it's beautiful. And of
course they all get caught. Of course they all get
caught because as soon as they shoot him again, but
Harlan and Marlon don't know what side of the body
the heart is on. Oh my god, So they shoot
him in the wrong They shoot him in the wrong side.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
The part where they try to figure it out is
so good.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Is so good God, And they shoot him on the
wrong side and he just comes like stumbling downstairs. And
so they get paid for half the job because they
didn't kill him. They just woke him up, is what
River fixs. What Devo said, Oh no, it was Mama Naja.
Mama Naja, is like, you just woke him up. So
they get paid for half the job. But then they

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go to the bar and they start bragging about how
they killed Joey Bocha for five thousand dollars, which is
not true. None of it is true. So of course
the cops come. All hell breaks loose from that point forward.
But it is this movie is just so funny, and
it's such a weird karmic movie because like, he gets
what's coming to him, but then you also don't want

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him to get what's coming to him, Like this is
like it's such an extreme reaction. But it's just so
interesting to see see her kind of have a plan,
use her mother as her partner, and.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Cry to go through with it on the screen. I think.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I don't think she used her mother in real life,
but on the screen and then to just go for
it like she tried it. And I love that they're
still together. I love that that they worked it out. Yeah,
made it through the wilderness. But this movie is just
a delight. It's really a good movie to put on
if you just want to laugh. There's so many parts
that are so funny.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I truly feel like this is a type of movie
that I just don't see very much anymore, and it
just made me nostalgic for that, for these comedies that
like this is something that we would have definitely rented
at the video store. I know for a fact my
dad would have loved to see it because he loves
people doing imitations of Italian guys.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
It's just like un he loves.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I almost called him after I watched the movie today
because I was basically like, Dad, do you remember that
Kevin Kleinde movie where he plays the Italian guy?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
And he'd be like, oh, yeah, we gotta put that
on again. Whoo. Yeah, this was a that was a classic.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
The next time you go to visit, you should change
his ring tone to Kevin Klined from this movie going.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Oh, Sally, Yes and rad Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
It just reminded me of when of the high Tracy
Oleman era and when she was in movies and she
was on TV all the time.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Oh so wonderful, a classic A banger.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yes, and Keanu in this film, you know, despite the
fact that he looks fucked up, still horny for right.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He's so cute, so cute, so cute.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I don't that's the man has a charm a power
about him because he could not look worse.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
But you know what I mean, I love that Kevin
Kleine like it's coming around the back gate, kind of
like yo, sneaking into you know, sneaking into your brain
and your heart, like Kevin Clyde with a mustache.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Oh just took up residence in my heart, has been
renting space for free since nineteen eighty nine eighty eight,
like ready to go with Kevin Klein at all times.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
I just love that this might have been to the
movie that exploded your loins as a as a young person.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
So also, I love pizza. I love pizza. What's better
Kevin Kline and pizza Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Hello, I am so glad you picked this movie. It
was truly a joy to watch.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Again, I loved it. I loved being in the world.
It was so cozy and wonderful and reminded me of
being a kid.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
It was great. Oh that's the fastest I love that. Well.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I felt similarly about yours been in a very weird way.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Reminded me of being a kid in a very weird way.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I mean, yeah, maybe a few years go by and
you're like, Oh, I'm no longer hanging out with my
mom and dad on a Friday night. Now I'm hanging
out with like the people that smoke cigarettes in my
high school.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Quite a different feeling.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
But this sault shack nonetheless, As Danielle just pointed out,
Oh my goodness. So my movie for the theme Horny
four non Joan wick keaner Reeves is a movie that
was released in nineteen eighty six. It was written by
Neil jim Andez directed by Tim Hunter, and it's called

(43:45):
River's Edge.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
You don't understand a goddamn thing, do you.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Jamie is bad.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Damn it, and there's nothing that we can do to
save now what happens to like.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
But John is still alive. Don't you see that? All right?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
So I'm gonna do the one sentence synopsis right now,
go for it, am I get it out of the way.
A group of high school age thrash metal stoners living
in California are rocked to the core after fighting out
one of their friends has murdered his girlfriend, and each
have their own disturbing ways of processing it.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Solid Yep, just had to say.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
It on top because everything that I just said is
going to inform the rest of what I'm.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
About to say. It's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
So I will say upfront that River's Edge is a
fictionalized account of an actual murder that happened in the
early eighties. But I want to say I think the
one of the most interesting things about River's Edge is
the idea that this movie was out in a time
nineteen eighty six nineteen eighty seven that was absolutely the

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height of the teen movie craze, like the John Hughes era.
I mean, it's like you had pretty and Pink, Ferris
Bueller's day off in eighty six, some kind of wonderful
was in eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I mean, I don't need to go on.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
But also, weirdly enough, You also had stand By Me
that came out in eighty six, which is another movie
about kids who are going to look at a dead body.
Weirdly enough, but even still, I will argue that stand
By Me is not even as dark as River's Edge. Okay, No,
I feel like River's Edge is still a really disturbing
movie to me to this day, and I think part

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of that is because of the type of kids this
movie is about, which yes, obviously you're definitely.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Not like a Molly Ringwald than her Friend's type of vibe.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Right, The kids in this movie are legit scary, very authentic.
They were like the burnouts, the pill heads, like the
heavy metal punk kids, and you just did not see
a lot of that in this era.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Well, these kids hung out with adults, like when teens
hang out with adults, I'm always freaked out, Oh my god,
like that teen is is too much for me already.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
They know some shit that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah, and it wasn't like even I mean, there are
some characters in the John Hughes universe that are that type,
you know, like the kind of like you know, heavy
metal guy or you know, like I think of you know,
Charlie Sheen in Ferris Bueller or some of the kids
and some kind of wonderful that is not even them.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Like, these kids go way harder than any of those characters.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Even so, like I said, this film takes place in California.
It's about a group of high school kids. There's a
kid named Matt who is played by Arbois Keanu Reeves.
His younger brother Tim, who's played by Joshua John Miller.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Tim who was also in Teen Witch.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Yes, he's the one that says you're a dog, Louise
a dog.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
He was in the Halloween franchise. I mean, Joshua John
Miller is a king. He's a cult lady king. We
love him. You got Matt's friend Lane, who was played
by Crispin Glover.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Definitely more about him in just a moment. There's not
enough tape, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
We don't even have enough time to cover the full
scope of Lane in this film. Then you've got the
two girls that hang out with the guys. So there's
Clarissa who's played by Ione Sky, Maggie who is played
by Roxanna Zol And finally you have Samson John Samson
who is played by Daniel Roebuck and he is the

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friend that has committed the murder of his girlfriend. Okay,
and by large, the actors who are in this movie
were pretty much unknown at the time or we're just
starting their careers. I mean, Crispin Glover would probably have
been the most famous one. He had just been in
Back to the Future like a year or two prior.
Is probably the most famous one out of the kids. Really,

(48:02):
but definitely an early Keana Roll for sure. Definitely an
early Ione sky Roll. And you know, I think that's
part of why this movie seems pretty authentic, is because
you just have all these new faces and they seem
to be kind of of age.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, you don't have like forty year olds playing
high school students.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
You have like young people playing these burnouts, and they
seem very authentic. Yeah, But essentially what happens is that
at the beginning of River's Edge, Samson is standing next
to the dead body of his girlfriend near the river
in this town that they live in. It's actually Tim,
the younger brother of Matt, who sees it all first.
And I think Tim is, like, his character is really

(48:45):
interesting in this movie because he sees a lot of
things that nobody else is seeing because he's younger. I mean,
I would say he's probably like in middle school, right,
And he's not friends with his brother and his crew,
although he would love to be. He just kind of
follows them around, and so a lot of like what
we end up viewing while watching the movie is kind

(49:07):
of through him, through his kind of observations, right. But
eventually everyone figures out that Samson has killed his girlfriend
and Lane, who, like I said, he kind of fancies
himself the leader of the crew. I guess he's kind
of the first one on the ground assessing the situation.

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But I got to talk about Crisp and Glover in
this movie because he is the character I think that
everyone talks about when they.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
See River's Edge, right, right, because he's so over the top.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yes, and from what I've read about the movie, like
he essentially came to the audition with this whole vibe
and they were like, Okay, like, I guess you're in
this movie because you're so extremely weird. But like, first
of all, there's the accent, like it's like this very extreme,
like Calum Stoner thing, which is so outrageous.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
But for me, it's the fucking wig.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Okay, thank Lord, Like, thank you for mentioning the wig.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I swear to God every time I see this movie,
I'm like, who let him wear that wig?

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
My?

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Like, did he come to set with that? And did
he pull it off of a mannequin in a river
before he did? Dude?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
There's this moment in the movie where his he wears
this like mit cap right that's like on top of
the wig, And there's this moment where he's in a
scuffle and the cap comes off and you could really
see how jacked up this wig is.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
And I'm like, what the fuck this wig is insane?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
The bangs start from like back in the middle of
his head.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Ah, it is so outrageous, And I mean, when it
comes down to it, like we all know Crispin is
one of LA's finest professional weirdos, but this whole performance
truly underscores it. It's just like here it is in
plain view. Here's here's your boy, Crispin Glover in this
crazy ass wig.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Okay, And I.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Will say this is all very appropriate for what happens
next because Lane essentially consults the town drug dealer about
the situation with his friend Samson. As you do right.
The drug dealer is named Beck and is played by
another Hollywood wild man, Dennis Hopper, And honestly, I'll just

(51:38):
say this, Dennis Hopper playing both Frank Booth in Blue
Velvet and Bech in River's Edge around the same fucking
time absolutely influenced my perception of him when I was younger,
which is that I was terrified of.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Dennis Hopper, same, same, same, across the board.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
I swear like I had to go back as an
adult and see Rebel without a Cause and like Night
Tide to just remember that he was actually a professional actor.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I couldn't believe it when I saw him in Rebel Ladlac.
I watched it with my grandma one weekend, and I'm like,
that cannot be the same guy that I saw last
weekend dancing around with a blow up doll.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yes, Like, we have to remember that he was like
a legit theatrical trained actor and not like some weirdo
that was hired off of Hollywood Boulevard to be in
a bunch of eighties movies like you just based off
of River's Edge and Blue Velvet. I was terrified of him,
terrified but completely. But Peck is actually a perfect person

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to consult because he is a drug dealer, he owns
a gun, and he also murdered his girlfriend once and
as Danielle said, now he shacks up with a blow
up doll named Ellie. And to me, it's this moment
where I'm like, this is outrageous. But also there was
always a weird older person in town like this, like

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somebody who's like getting beer or weed for kids, Like
I remember a guy like this in my town.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I'm sure you do. I'm sure everybody does, right.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Absolutely, And just a terrifying component to all this because
all these kids are definitely like, you know, interacting with him,
and he seems very dangerous, but you know, they're all
freaked out about what Samson did, even as they're all
going to see the body of their friends.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I mean, this woman who died is their friend.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Well That's what I find really interesting is at one point,
Clarissa ione Skuy's character says, what makes John more important
than Jamie? Wasn't she our friend too? And Lane keeps
comparing it to being in a movie where he's like,
you know, it's exciting and you know interesting, and it's
just such a disconnect to what's actually happening in reality

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and how Jamie in her death is being treated. And
it's really that's one of the things that's turning everyone
on their head a little bit, is they don't know
how to respond, seemingly because they knew both parties involved.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, and and that there's a lot to this too,
because you're right about lame. It's almost like he dissociates
from it by saying, like, oh, I feel like Chuck Norris.
There's a line where he says, oh, I feel like
Chuck Norris right now, which is that he's like that
this isn't happening in real life, that he's just like
participating in like a drama that's not actually happening or something.

(54:34):
And there's a moment where I do think that young
people don't have the tools to deal with stressful situations.
You know, yes, and you know this is I'm not
saying that that is exactly what is happening, both you know,
in the movie and perhaps in the real crime that

(54:54):
it's based off of.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
But that's what makes the.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Movie dark certainly, is this that these kids, kids are
kind of like numb to the situation and that like
I said, nobody really has the emotional tools to handle it,
and they just really get high and drink and have
sex to sort of avoid everything, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah, there's a really deep sadness in them that just
permeates this this whole movie, and it's sadness that was
there before the murder. You know, it's like they don't
have the tools to communicate their feelings and they don't
have the tools to deal with the violence in their life,
which is plentiful.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
There's so much violence in their lives. Yeah, I mean
both like at home.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I mean I think with you know, the Matt and
Tim character, like his mom is works at night and
she kind of has this boyfriend that's sort of in
and out, and so everybody seems to kind of have,
you know, these fairly fucked up home lives. And obviously
they do a lot of drugs, they do a lot
of drinking. But then also it's just sort of like, yeah,
just being in high school and sort of being like, well,

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we don't want to snitch on our friend, but then
also he killed somebody that we were friends with, and
we don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
We feel kind of like, you know, stuck with our feelings.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And you know, I think honestly, at this point in culture,
like I don't know if we necessarily saw a movie
like this. I mean, we have certainly seen dark. There
have always been dark teen films, and there was a
lot in the eighties, but like River's Edge somehow like
really stuck out to me as a movie that was
just very disturbingly about kids. And yeah, of course later

(56:37):
like in the nineties, you had really dark teen films
like kids and you know, like the Gregor Rocky movies
and stuff. But honestly, River's Edge is very grim. It's
very much of a time. You know, I would be
I would be lying if I said that these kids
didn't remind me of people that I knew from high

(56:59):
school a little bit, right, That's the plane ass truth.
I'm like, oh, I remember guys. I mean maybe not Lane, no,
but I certainly remember guys like Matt.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Actually we we had a Leane now that imber we
did have a Leene.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
No, no, go ahead, no, no, that's all I'm just I
was like, yeah, no, no, no Lane that I'm like, no, wait,
we did have a Leene.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I feel like I feel like there.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Was probably a Lane too.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Maybe not, maybe without the crazy wig and the crazy accent,
but there was definitely kind of like the leader of
the Freaks type of person. Right. Yeah, But you know,
the I keep going back to the Joshua John Miller
character because that's the the character that really actually disturbs
through the most, because he's like in middle school and

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there are moments of the of the movie where he's
basically like, oh man, I need a joint somebody. You know,
he breaks him and his friend break in effect's house,
which is terrifying.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Like okay, but the setup to that scene was fucking
hilariou is. He sneaks over to this kid's house, knocks
on his window, and says, go get your nunchucks and
your dad's car, which to me is a marriage proposal.

(58:17):
Go get your nunchucks in your dad's car. We're gonna
cost some trouble be Like, yes, I am. There.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Have we ever talked about kids in the eighties that
were into the martial arts and how that.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Was such a thing. We haven't, and we need to.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
We need to dedicate entire episode to it.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Like a kid with nunchucks is the coolest kid on
the block as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
To this date.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
If I see a kid with nunchucks, I'm like, you
canna have my car?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I'll just throw the keys at him. You're working on
another level.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
But all in all, I mean, when it comes down
to it, Keanu in this film, okay, pretty much the
same look as I Love You to Death.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I mean, maybe not the crazy shaved head, but like, he's.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Definitely the guy wearing a hoodie underneath a flannel you
know what I mean, over a over a tia. You know,
it wouldn't be that long after that he would appear
as you know, Ted Theodore Logan in Bill and Ted's
Excellent Adventure. And I just felt like, wow, okay, is

(59:30):
this the origin story for all of these subsequent roles
that he was in.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
It's like, if you need a stoner, yes, here's your man.
And we love him for that.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
We love him for that absolutely. I mean, is he
a podhead in this movie?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Will this character also go to a funeral for a
doll without missing a beat?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Also? Yes?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Oh my god, he is a total sweetheart in this movie.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That was What I will say to close this out
is that Matt's character seems to be the one that
has He seems to be the only one out of
his friends that has a conscience, right, Yeah, And he
ends up kind of with Clarissa at a certain point
of the film. I think they're kind of like, I
don't know, trauma bonding in a way. But also, you know,

(01:00:21):
they're just sort of like teenagers and they're just trying
to like know each other and date each other. But
it's that thing where you're like, oh, well, if he
is the one, If there is a moral metronome character,
it's probably Matt. It's probably Keanu's character, which yeah, I
mean you sort of need because otherwise everybody else in
this movie is really fucked up, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
So bleak, yeah, so bleak. But I love that you
picked this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
It's it's such a good movie and it took me
back to a time that I maybe didn't want to go,
but I but I was glad I went yes. And
they have There's so many good lines in this movie
that I'd kind of forgotten as well, like when Lee says,
you think this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Car runs on God's own methane. I used to stand
it to my.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Friends all the time when I started driving, And when
the little sister comes back and like basically desecrates the
grave of the doll he.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Threw in the river, and his little sister says he's
still killing her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Honestly, I could go so long on this movie because
it does there's so many, so many things going on.
It really is like, to me, it's a great nowar
film when.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It comes down to it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Yeah, it is so a part of that era of
the eighties where people were legit afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Of like heavy metal kids.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I mean, he had the PRMC, you had like all
this stuff going on where guys and girls like this
were terrifying in this era. And I think it's what
makes the movie so powerful still to this day. And
I love it. And Keanu, we salute you in this film.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
We salute your dirt bag phase. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
And also this was a nice reminder of the fact
that Ione Sky either made out with on film, dated
or married every single guy ever had a crush on. Yes,
like I bowed down to an indie queen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Oh, don't even get me started on Clarissa's look. I mean,
it's just like, I love it, such an iconic eighties
girl look that I wanted so badly. I wanted that
like cascade of like curly hair with like a flannel
over like a little you know, white undershirt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I just she was everything to me in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I swear, so good, truly incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I'm so glad you picked it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
So such a good time to go back to such
a weird, weird movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yes, and I gotta tell you, like, as a horny
four episode, we did a pretty good job.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I mean we weren't, like, you know, too crazy, but
I think we both we talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
The movie, he talks about the movies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Hey, we're still intelligent women, Like we can still process
thoughts that aren't laden with sexual power.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Well, let's see if that's true when you give them
the movies for next week. We can test this theory
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
So next week's movies are in the Mouth of Madness
from nineteen ninety four and The Evil Dead nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
So good, very spooky. What's the theme? Ugh, I cannot wait.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Yes, yes, Yes, Danielle. It was inevitable that we were
going to do this theme. I'm so glad we finally
tackled it. It was such a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
I'm embarrassed and honored simultaneously. I've revealed so much, so much,
but I'm honored.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Listen, if we see a theme in the future that
is Kevin Klein has Italian guys with mustaches.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Now we know the origin story, right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
I don't think I can take it again. I don't
think my heart could take it again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
You're gonna be like the Chicken Lady, just exploding feathers everywhere.

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