KPop Demon Hunters (2025)! Plus, ‘What Went Wrong’ Hosts Chris Winterbauer and Lizzie Bassett!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all, So I just wanted to say that if
you hear a dog collar jangly danglely all around in
this episode, it is because my dog was going crazy
while we were recording and I didn't have time to
take her caller off, unfortunately, So try to mind that
when you listen to the episode. And again, apologies, Hi Casey,

(00:20):
how are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh Millie, there's I'm okay, there's a lot happening right now. Well,
I you know, let me just tell everybody the situation.
You know, you and I have spoken previously about how
we're worried Annabelle is because we've spoken about her on
the podcast, that she's going to come and curse our podcast, yes, unfortunately.

(00:43):
And you know the new Conjuring movie just came out, yes,
so you know, we want to be preventive here and
make sure that annabel doesn't seek revenge on us or
hurt us in any way. So we I thought it
would be a good idea to bring on the most
Catholic person I know to help bless the podcast, and

(01:06):
that's my mom, Sandra O'Brien. Hi Mom, Well, Hi Casey,
Hi Billy, Hi, happy to be here. Thank you. So
much for taking time out of your busy schedule to
be here, Mom. I really appreciate it. My mom gave

(01:26):
our house a blessing as well when we moved into
our house, so she has some experiencing, you know, warding
off evil spirits, and so yeah, thank you so much
Mom for being here. You and I spoke before you've
prepared something to you know, just sort of protect us
and keep Annabelle away and to keep any sort of

(01:48):
dark spirits away. Can you kind of take us through
what we're going to be doing here today? Absolutely? Okay,
First of all, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
My understanding is that Anna Bill is still on tour
the doll right, and her handler mysteriously died in a
hotel room.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Correct. Did you know about this, Millie?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yes I did.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, So that just adds to the creepy character.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, yeah, I mean you can. You can understand why
MILLI and I are frankly afreight for our lives.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I did hear you discussing annabel and you felt that
you somehow brought her attention, that somehow she was going
to come into the podcast and haunt you.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, right, yes, So I do have some questions. First,
of all, did either of you have actual any contact
with the Annabelle doll.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Millie, You didn't, did you.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I didn't, although I do feel I do. You know,
she was very close to where I'm located in Atlanta,
and she was in New Orleans, which is like eight
hours away, and I don't know if that is going
to be a factor in this. I mean, I you know,
eight hours is eight hours, but it's I just feel

(03:05):
like she was in my region of the world, and
I don't know. I just I'm not feeling right about it, So.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Right right, Okay?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Also, did either of you ask for any spiritual help
for the podcast from demons or otherwise other spiritual beings
for help to invite for help with the podcast?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Millie, I certainly didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I know, I neither never. I would never do that.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, Well, that that's all good news, but but I
want you to know there's more information that I did learn. Actually,
I read an article in the Catholic Register and they
interviewed an actual exorcist priest about the Annabelle Creation movie,
and he said it was fairly factual, shockingly to Catholic faith.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
But there are good news in this that the aurious.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
The Annabel doll is not actually the problem. It's the
demon that that uses the doll as a tool or
a conduit to actually possess another human. So if you
don't have any interaction with the actual doll, you know,
it's probably safer for you. And the good really good

(04:29):
news is that demons are only in goal where they
are invited. Evil spirits will only go where they're invited, So.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's good news.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But then you also kind of have to ask the question,
can you accidentally invite evil spirits?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's what I'm freaking out about.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Really. Yeah, So I mean this is a public service
announcement when asking for help from spirits may share asking
from for help from good spirits, and there is an
actual Catholic prayer that is come Holy Spirit, and then
that Holy Spirit will come and help you, and then
the demons don't accidentally come and help you.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Then Okay, good, I'm racking my brain. Yeah that's good
to know. Wow, thank you. Yeah, I'm just like racking
my brain if like we you know, it's freaky too.
Where the episode we're doing today is on the movie
K Pop Demon Hunters. So this is all very this
is all very connected.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I certainly don't want to open a portal for
accidental summoning or anything like.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Just you know, I'm just so glad you're here. I'm
just so glad to thank God.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, it's important, and I do want to say as importantly,
perhaps as your podcast, Dear Movies, I Love You is
a podcast for good, right you spread love, Joe, try, humor, entertainment, educationation,
even fellowship among film lovers. So it's not a podcast

(06:05):
where an evil demon would feel very welcome.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So that's good news too.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yes, I think there are film podcasts that are evil.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yes, I agree, that are trying to summon evil and
are trying to conjure demons and spread misinformation and hatred.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I'm just glad we're not one of those.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I'm glad not yet. Anyway, we want to keep it
that way.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So we're thinking, just you know, that being said, just
in case, if you are up for it, I think
maybe we still should do a little podcast exorcism slash blessing.
Does that sound like a good plan? Okay, So there
are steps to be taken. The first thing is I
will be taking on the responsibility of the spiritual cleansing

(06:55):
and any spiritual risk for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So I didn't. I didn't. I didn't realize you were
taking risk on for this. Well, I would feel horrible
if something happened.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I'm feel very spiritual protected, but thank you. But number
one is to protect yourself with religious or spiritual talismans.
They help will help protect me, and it's best to
have them be authentic and like things you believe in.
So I just grabbed everything I had in the house
and we have pulling out all the stops. I have

(07:27):
them all here. Great, we're going to start.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Do you want to see them all? Or should I
just listen to.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Holy Bible perfect?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Number one? Need it?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Two?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Christophix?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Oh, I feel like I have that? Had that.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
What's familiar?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Rosary?

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Perfect? You know a crucifix Jesus has to be on it.
I don't know if you know there's a difference.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Oh, Protestants have crosses, but Catholics have crucifixes and Jesus
is on the crucifix. Right. I even have a little
Pope new Pope card, the new.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Leo that came to your house fast. That's great.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, I don't know what I went to A little angel? Sure, Okay,
and Mother Teresa for good measure.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I already did.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I actually already lit a candle and Millie, you're gonna
be so happy.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
We have sage.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Look, I know you mentioned sage and then holy water, yes,
salt and rice, which is part of the visual. We
have all that and then that's gathered. It's all protecting us.
It's protecting me and the whole podcast and you guys.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So the first thing, are listeners too, right, if they're
listening to.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
This, you're right, and they can get out their own
little talismans if they want. But yes, this to the airwaves,
and everyone's protected.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
So the second thing we do is we kindly ask
the spirit to leave, avoiding anger or fear. But if
we could be kind, but if we think it's evil,
which is the big concern, right, then we can actually
if you want to banish it in Latin.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh, okay, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I say we go for broke.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I mean, let's get our bases coverage.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yes, okay, So maybe I'll hold the crucifix.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, that's good, that's good.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Okay, So I'll say two Latin words at a time,
and then you say after.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Me, okay, sounds Goodka crusus c crusus, signum fujiant sigmum, fantasmata, count.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Hasta, and that means behold the emblem of the cross.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Let all specters flee. Oh my god. And now if.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
We want to be really thorough, then we can also
say what they said in the Exorcist, which is I'll
say it, and then we can all shout it.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Sure that sounds great.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
The power of Christ compels you.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Compels you, Okay, very good, desolutely good.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And then I got to relight. These are steps I'm following,
as you know. So relight the smudge I hadn't gone before.
And then and then I got to do it in
a circular a clockwise motion.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Got that.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
And then we're supposed to spread around a little holy water,
So that's podcast yes. And then we can recite an
actual prayer against spirits.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
So one little simple one is we can all say, spirit,
this is not your home.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay, Spirit, Spirit, this this is not your home.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And then a stronger one is a prayer by Saint Michael,
the Archangel.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Do you know who he is?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
He's an angel that fights Lucifer and demons and stuff.
And if you recall in nineteen ninety six, he was
famously portrayed by John Travolta and Michael.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wow, this is incredible.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Do you remember he was saying he wasn't Andy McDonald
was like, I thought angels were sweet, and he says,
I'm not that kind of angel.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh my gods, do you remember that movie.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's been a while, but I do remember anyone, you
know the movie?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Thing even fits in.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Okay, maybe I'll just read this one and then i'll
do it because that's kind of long. But I did
modify it because these prayers are kind of scary.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
They're waiting.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Okay, Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be
our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Annabelle Demon.
May God rebuke it. We humbly pray and do thou, o,
Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God,
thrust away all the evil spirits who prowl about the

(12:33):
world seeking the ruin of souls and podcasts. Amen, Amen, man, man, man, right?
And then can I do a final blessing? Is there
anything else you want? Okay, so a little final blessing
which will use holy water for this and this is

(12:55):
kind of similar to the house blessing we did, but
we only have to be one because there's one podcast.
Oh God, give your blessings to all who share and
recording this. Dear Movies, I love you podcast, especially Million Casey.
Help them continue to spread love and joy to their listeners.
Keep them free from evil spirits, especially the Annabelle demon.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
In the name of the.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Amen. Amen, Amen, Wow wow, I feel so much safer
for me. I do too, proceeding I mean this podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I cannot thank you enough for coming to do this.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You are very welcome. It's my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
And let's of thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Mom.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You bet now when we were talking. This is a
complete aside, but you said you had a film area
of expertise. If you were to come on the show
to pitch. I don't know if you if you feel
comfortable talking about please, I.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Feel guilty because I think it's kind of mean. But
it's all men who insist on taking their shirts off
in movies. That shouldn't that should not, you know, I
guess it started with Clint Eastwood and Bridges of Madison
Colony and Merle step Is looking off the window lusting

(14:14):
after him, and I'm just like, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I couldn't make that jump. I couldn't make that jump.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
That's just me though. You know, you must come in podcast.
And I'm saying this as somebody who has already, you know,
considered you a legend for your chicks Picks, yes, which
we talked about. We talk about it almost every episode
chicks Picks comes into the conversation. But we have to

(14:42):
get your hairy of expertise that is incredible.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Oh my gosh, well, I'll have to do more research,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Oh my god. Well, thank you so much. Mom, really
appreciate you coming on the podcast and you know, exposing
yourself to become vulnerable spiritually to be our you know,
protector and guide through all this. So well, I appreciate it. Well,

(15:11):
thank you so much, Mom for being on the show
and helping and protecting us. We're talking about a movie
today that's sort of in line with what we just
talked about, and that's K Pop Demon Hunters. This wasn't
even really plan now. I knew we were gonna do
it on this episode, and it just happened to be
the K Pop Demon Hunters episode that just came out

(15:31):
this year. We're also going to be talking with the
What Went Wrong Podcast. We've got Chris Winterbauer and Lizzie
Bassett on the show for my area of expertise, and
they're gonna be talking about their area of expertise, which
is movies where things went really wrong. So that's a
really fun conversation. But uh, yeah, that's that's all we do.

(15:52):
This is a packed episode, Millie.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, it's good. I already feel blessed obviously, and I
think it's going to be incredible and smooth sailing from
here on out. We do not have the Annabel demon
cursing this podcast at all, and I'm very excited about that.
But yeah, I would love for missus O'Brien if you
would to introduce the podcast and get us going. Would

(16:16):
you do that for us?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Of course, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love you, Dear.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I love you, and I've got to know you love
me too. Check the books.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, howdy, folks, this is Dear Movies, I Love You.
This is the podcast for those who are in a
relationship with movies. My name is Millie.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
To Jericho, my name is Casey O'Brien and oh gosh,
I am feeling free as a bird.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
How do you feel?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Me too? I feel cleansed, I feel blessed, I feel
spiritually clean. I feel great for the first time in
a long time.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Got your mom is so awesome. She like she's she
is a film fan, like she is. I should have
clocked that with the Chicks Picks things. We talk about
it so often, But like her dropping in that knowledge
about Michael about you know, the Exorcist, I'm like, wow.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, she's I mean, I feel like I got my
love for film from my mom and dad, who are
big you know, they're big time film fans.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
So you're so lucky I and also too, I was
I felt like such a lapsed Catholic when she was like,
oh my gosh, I haven't been to church in a
hundred million years. But it was lovely of her to
have done that. I mean, quite honestly, I was like, Wow,
the Holy Water's out, the Bible's.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Out, the Mother Teresa action figure years out. Yeah, the
Pope Leo baseball card is out. It was, Yeah, she's
got it all.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, Oh my goodness. But now that we're blessed, yes,
we have such a show.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Don't you think we have such a huge show? So
we have to get moving here and how we start
every episode as we open up that ancient film diary.
Oh gosh, can we talk about the movies we watched
in the past week now? It's actually been a couple
weeks since we last recorded, so we might have a
little bit of build up. Yeah, well then we need
to says you, Well, would you like to go first? Sure?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
So for this I don't know, past week or two,
I watched three movies which I think, wow for me
is good. I watched nineteen eighty two's Fitzcoralto, directed by
Verner Herzog.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I also watched this one I.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Figured you did.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I thought that. This is insane as pretty sure. I
haven't seen it a long time actually, So.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
The reason we both watched it is we will be
on an upcoming episode of the What Went Wrong podcast,
So make sure you tune in to that and subscribe
to that podcast because we actually and we actually have
the hosts of that show on our show today. Yeah,
so this is all synergy working towards each other.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Correct. And on that note, I actually also watched the
corresponding less blank documentary from nineteen eighty two, Burden of Dreams,
which is an incredible doc. If you haven't seen it,
I personally don't thank you. I don't know if you
feel this, but I personally do not think you need

(19:50):
to see FITZGERALDO to enjoy Burden of Dreams.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I think that's probably true. I also would say
to see FITZGERALDO without Burden of Dreams feels incomplete a
little bit. I think you kind of need to see
either both or just Burden of Dreams.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yes, I kind of feel that too, Okay. And So
the last movie that I will log this week from
my film diary was an absolute treat for me. I
have never seen this movie before. I have always wanted
to see this movie before, and it's been recently restored
by I think it's Keno Larber. I think they've done

(20:29):
the restoration. Nineteen eighties Night of the Juggler direct of
the Juggler, directed by Robert Butler. This movie is an
absolute fucking ride, dude. Like I loved every second of it.
It was awesome. Oh my god, it's effectively and I

(20:52):
didn't know this until actually when the screening happened here
at the Plaza in Atlanta. There was a filmmaker, Mike Malloy.
He's a filmmaker and a writer, and he's really kind
of an expert on he calls it like tough guy movies.
He's written a book or has done a documentary about

(21:12):
the kind of European crime movies, especially the Italian ones,
the like Fernando de Lo movies. But he's he's, you know,
one of like talking head. He like talks and writes
and he's kind of in a historian in that very
specific genre. But he was basically like, this is a
remake of Kirosawa's High and Low, which is essentially just

(21:33):
a movie about a guy, a single father whose young
daughter is kidnapped for ransom, and the kidnapper is a
psycho and has accidentally kidnapped his daughter because she looks
and is dressed exactly like this rich guy's daughter. And
so it's basically this kind of like chase through New York.

(21:55):
And this is like late seventies, early eighties New York,
forty Second Street Pumpin', just like beautiful, old school, grimy
New York. James Brolin is very he's got like four
buttons down on his button up shirt, so you're just
saying chest hair. He's an ex cop. He's racing through

(22:19):
the streets like looking for his daughter who was kidnapped
by Cliff Gorman, who is an actual perfect psycho by
the way, Like he he plays the part so well,
not that he's an actual psycho, but you know what
I mean, like he's he's perfect for it. And there
are so many good dudes in here. I mean, you

(22:41):
got Richard Castelano from the Godfather movies, like the best.
I mean, Mandy Pittankin's in the movie playing this crazy
cab driver. The best, though, hands barn On, hands down
is Dan Hydea her suit Dan Hydea.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
We love Dan Hedea on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Absolutely, we love him so much. He plays this like
cop character that is absolutely insane, Like just his performance
is insane. There's like an entire incredible sequence to the
movie where he's literally like running through the streets of
Manhattan chasing James Brolin, shooting a shotgun just indiscriminately people everywhere.

(23:24):
I mean, this movie is kind of that feeling. It's
like the feeling of like how dangerous it was almost
to make movies in the seventies where it was like,
and I'm sure this was shot in the seventies, even
though it came out in I guess eighty. But it
was like just grimy, like people just like I was like,
do they even have permits for this? I mean, I

(23:45):
don't even I don't see how they were able to
run through the streets and do any of this stuff.
It feels so grimy, dangerous, I mean, crazy story. There's
a lot of like kind of crazy parts that happened
in the movie. But I loved it. I was literally
on the edge of my seat the entire movie. I
was laughing. I was freaked out. It was awesome. It

(24:09):
was awesome. Everybody. You have to watch that. Out of
the Juggler.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
What an insane title of a movie. Night of the Juggler. Yeah,
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I gotta say, like it barely ties in, but yeah,
who cares? What a great name.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I have a bunch of movies. Yes, I won't spend
too much time on these, but I do want to
say I saw weapons.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Oh God, I gotta see it. I gotta see it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I really liked it. It was really I was you know,
it kind of got under my skin in the way
that Jordan Peel's horror movies do. I thought it was
really good and unique, and you know, I'm very sensitive
to things happening to little kids. Obviously, yes, I mean
everyone is. But now that I have a daughter, I am,

(24:55):
I am more affected by it. Yeah, unfortunately. But it
was very imaginative and yet very simple. I just thought
it was a really great movie. Everyone likes that movie.
So I'm not here here they shot, oh they did.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
They actually shot that in Atlanta, and I know people
that worked on it, so I got to see it.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Got yeah, you should see it. I thought it was great.
Then I saw Sam raimis The Quick and the Dead
from nineteen ninety five. It was fine. I've never seen
it before. Yeah, I's fun, zoom in's on people's faces,
and yeah, it's fun, fun western. Then maybe you'll know
this movie, Millie. This might be right up your alley.

(25:36):
I saw this at a special screening at the Trylon
Theater in Minneapolis. It was actually screened at someone's backyard
on sixteen millimeter film. It's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's a nineteen fifty five movie starring Victor Mature. You
know him, Oh I do. It's called Violent Saturday. Have
you ever seen this movie?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
This is such a kooky Lee Lee Marvin's in it. Yeah,
it's sort of like half melodrama, half incredibly violent movie.
It's filmed entirely in Bisbee, Arizona, so it has sort
of an interesting kind of desert feel to it. And
essentially Victor Mature is he works for this like mining

(26:23):
company and he had to work there during the World
War because they needed like iron ore for the war effort,
and he had to stay there working. But all the
other dads in town they went to war and like
killed Nazis and stuff and could tell their sons they
fought in the war. And basically his son is ashamed
of him because he didn't like kill people in the war.

(26:45):
And he's like, you can tell, he's kind of like
itch into like I gotta, I gotta, I gotta do
something to, you know, win back my son, and he
does and it does involve killing a bunch of so
but it was, Yeah, it was fun. It was a
good It was a good movie. I enjoyed watching it.
Kind of outrageous. Yeah, then I watched Okay, I guess

(27:10):
I didn't watch that many movies. But then I watched
The lawnmower Man from nineteen ninety two, and you know what,
I liked The lawnmower Man. I thought it was good.
I like cyberpunk stuff, and I mean, this is like outrageous,
an outrageous movie, but like there's like a young younger
Pierce Brosnan in it as a scientist who's like basically

(27:32):
making a simple Jack character like smarter by infusing his
brain with like like manipulating it with virtual reality. It's outrageous,
but I had a great time this has enjoyed it.
Stephen King thing right, So I looked it up. Stephen
King wrote a short story called The lawnmower Man, and
they had the rights to it, but the director of

(27:53):
the movie had this completely different idea about virtual reality,
and they basically made that virtual reality movie. But the
guy who is the test subject is a lawnmower guy,
and they call it The lawnmower Man, but it has
nothing to do with Stephen King's story The lawnmower Man.
So Stephen King sued them and was like, you gotta

(28:13):
take my name because they it was billed as Stephen
King's the lawnmower man, and he's like, this is like
not my story at all, so he successfully sued. But
then in the home video release, the filmmakers were like,
I just slapped that Stephen King right back on there again,
and they got in trouble for that, so he's not
really related to this.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Okay, okay, got it, all right, let's close it up.
All right, close that shit.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
All right, we're back for our main discussion. K Pop
Demon Hunters. My goodness, this movie has taken over.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, what a juggeror not? I so full disclosure, this
is the first time I've seen it, even though literally
everybody in my life has asked me if I've seen it,
and I at first I thought it was because they
were like, well, I know one weird adult, like one freak, yeah,
who likes K pop. But then I realized that everybody's

(29:23):
just watching it because it's popular. I mean, my nephews
who are young, who are like ten and seven, have
seen it dozens of times. I think they they're in
the double digits at this point.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And I mean that makes sense to me because I
when I watched this, I feel like it tapped into
something childlike within me, and I was like, if I
saw this when I was a kid, it would have
made me go insane, like with excitement.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Oh, of course, because it has action, there's music. It's
like boy groups versus girl groups. I mean, it's giving
Powerpuff Girls if you want to go down that road.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Absolutely and wait versus Girl World Series of Love Frank
of course.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Of course, who doesn't like a boy versus girl World
series of Love? But it's also and this is crazy
because I feel like most of the kids that I
know have seen it, and most of their parents have
seen it. But then there's also just a bunch of
like random adults that love it. Like somebody sent me

(30:32):
there was a K pop demon Hunter's like club night
the other night in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Wow with liked would be so fun, Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Wouldn't it? But there was like DJ's and it was
at a bar. So I'm like, Okay, I guess adults
love this too, which is cool. I mean, I'm like,
I don't know what you think about this, but like
the thing that I love about something like this. And
by the way, there's gonna be spoilers for people who
haven't seen it, yes, just prepared as if we didn't

(31:02):
know that. But the one thing that I really love
about something like this is that and this did not
really happen much in my childhood. I don't know about yours,
but like this type of movie I think would have
been seen as like a girls movie in my childhood.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, do you know what I'm saying? Because the protagonist girls,
that's really the only protagonists are girls and the I mean,
the men in this are hunky, sensitive.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Boys who show their apps.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And there's there's a character named what's It's something about it?
It's like a play on words for a with abs
in it.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
It is abs sogia.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Oh my god, I like that abs. Like when they
see like our horny for abs in the movies, their
eyes turned to like emoji corn cobs because that the
corn kind of looks like abs.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
And then they pop into pop pop, which is so cute.
But the idea that my nephews have seen this movie,
like they told my sister told me they watched it
five times in one day. That's crazy, which is if
you do the math on that ten hours. They watched

(32:18):
this movie for ten hours in a row. And I'm like, yeah,
the idea though, that everybody loves it like regardless of gender,
that this isn't just like a girl thing is so
awesome to me.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
And I'm like, it feels very progressive. Yeah, I agree,
because even like when the Powerpuff Girls came out, you know,
that was the time where like Dexter's Lab and Johnny
Bravo came out and it was kind of like, oh,
boys don't watch Powerpuff Girls. They watched Dexter's Laboratory and
Johnny Bravo. But that's so or like Sailor Moon for example, too,
that was like, no, boys watch Dragon ball Z, they

(32:52):
don't watch Sailor Moon. Yeah. So yeah, it does feel
like progressive and revolutionary and it's like exciting and awesome.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think I.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Did too, And I want to talk about a little
about this because like when I was down my research hole,
I just knew that it was going to be like
the number one. I was like, oh, it'll be number
one this week, And apparently all the songs from the
show are like number one on the Billboard chart as well. Sure,

(33:21):
but I have read that not only is this the
biggest hit on Netflix currently, but it's the most popular
movie in Netflix history.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
That's not surprising.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
And I'm just curious like your thoughts about well, I
guess maybe to scope out a tiny bit, there's like
the concept of the Netflix movie at this point, right
because obviously Netflix has come into the film business and
has been a disruptor, as they call it, a disruptor

(33:55):
and pretty much like changed everything, whether or not we
all want to admit that or not. And to me,
you know, there there was this whole back and forth about,
you know, the distribution model of somebody like Netflix, meaning
that they own a film studio and they make films,
but yet will they be theatrical or are they just

(34:15):
going to be on their platform, like what's the vibe?
And we see now that they do release things theatrically.
They have their own movie theater right in la or
at least it's kind of their movie theater to play
with type of thing, and that's the Cinematech or the
Egyptian in Hollywood. But I'm curious as to like, what
do you think right now in like twenty twenty five

(34:39):
about the idea of there being a movie that you
can instantly, almost visually comprehend as a Netflix movie, Like
is there something about a movie that is made by
Netflix that feels different or just looks different or something.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
First of all, Netflix's movie strategy has gone through like
a few iterations, because I feel like when they were
like really hitting it hard several years ago, right around
the time when like Roma was released, they were very
much like, we're doing movies that we want to win
Academy Awards. These are high end, prestige pictures, you know,

(35:20):
and those looked like films that would be in the
movie theater. Yeah. Then they're like kind of like round
two of that was sort of the Netflix movie which
you're kind of referring to, which I think, which was
more like movies like to All the Boys I loved before, Yeah,
which are like brightly lit almost kind of like wb

(35:42):
Old style wb shows that are kind of like movies
now like more teen movies, and those yet had a
very specific, brightly lit, not as cinematic look to them.
This is a bad thing to say about them, but
they look like TV movies almost. Yeah. But now I

(36:02):
feel like those movies aren't even getting made by Netflix
as much anymore. Now they're doing reality TV shows and
true crime documentaries.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
They do so many like true crime.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I like really know where they're at in their kind
of movie journey, like what movies they're making. So it's
interesting that this animated movie is now the most popular
movie of all time. It's like, maybe this will be
their strategy moving forward, just animation movies, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I mean we're looking at this top ten and this
is just for English language, Like this doesn't count you know,
Korea or any of the other countries that would enjoy
a movie like this, do you know what I'm saying.
So I think this is probably a good jumping off
point to talking about like the cultural references for something
like kpop Team in Hunters, because and I will admit

(36:52):
I don't know half of what people know about K
pop or what they call the Korean Wave, which is
basically just the proliferation of culture that has come out
of South Korea, you know, in the past, like what
twenty thirty years. So it's like I'm talking about not
just K pop music, but like squid Game, the K

(37:14):
drama world, you know, parason, you know exactly. And I've
joked about this before about how I feel like Asians
are having a moment and I like to you know,
sort of milk that being and that I'm half Asian,
I'm like, oh, you know, we're having a moment. You know,
I'm my kind is a little bit more out there

(37:38):
and people are loving us. But it is interesting the
idea that Americans have gotten so into Korean product, like
just generally. When I say product, I mean like not
just cultural ephemera, but like food and music and like
that kind of stuff. So I don't know, it's it's

(38:01):
interesting because I do feel I haven't watched K pop
Team and Hunters. It does it if there are definitely
specific references to the K pop world, which we'll talk
about in just a second, but it does feel a
lot more like less kind of in the weeds about
the details. It feels a lot more open so that

(38:22):
it's not like highly specific, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I don't really know anything about k pop. Yeah, and
I was able to jump right in yeah feet first,
that's great. Uh? Should I do a brief synopsis of
this movie is now? Would now be a good time
for them?

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I think it would be a perfect time.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You know, we didn't say size Gangdom style that was
big too. Oh that was kind of an entry point
for I had no.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Idea he was Koreat. I thought he was like I
don't know where I thought it was. I was like
I thought he'd say, from India. I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Okay, here we go. Kpop Demon Hunters from twenty twenty five.
The biggest K pop trio in the world is a
group called Huntricks. It's comprised of their leader Roomy voiced
by Ardent Show, the angsty Mira voiced by Mae Hong,
and Zoe voiced by g Jong Yu. She's the upbeat one.

(39:13):
Besides being the world's biggest pop stars, they are also
ancient demon Hunters and protect the world from the dark
forces controlled by the leader of the Demon World, Gimaw.
Now Hundricks is absolutely destroying all of Gimaw's minions until
a sexy demon named Ginu, who is voiced by Ayosyap,
has the idea to start a demon k pop group

(39:36):
and steal all of Huntrix's fans, which is kind of
sort of their source of power. And if they steal
all of their fans, then the demon world can take
over the regular world. I don't really want to explain
why that's the case, but just it will, okay, And
that's The sexy evil boy band named the Saja Boys

(39:58):
is born and they are a hit, and they are
stealing fans. Things are getting difficult for Hunterricks, not just
because they are hemorrhaging fans, but also because their leader,
Roomy has a few secrets, one of which she is
part demon and that's a big no no. And then
two she and Genu, the leader of the Saga Boys,

(40:21):
romance is happening. Something's happening there, something very sexy is happening.
So this is kind of sets the stage for K
pop demon Hunters.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'm a Demon? Do you remember that from Timid Eric?
Do you remember we Will Forte when he would be
on Timid Eric and he's screaming, like you know, he's
playing this like crazy white guy character like he always
says it that he just goes, I'm a demon.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I'm a demon. I did not remember that.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
You put it in the episode I Will.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Die I'm a Demon. I will put it in, Okay,
I must, I must.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
So what were your thoughts, Casey?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Well, like I said, I was getting like hyper, especially
the first couple songs because they are so electric and
like the song where they're like falling out of the plane.
I was hyped. I mean that really got me excited.
And also it seems like people are really people are
really juiced about the song Takedown too, even though in

(41:28):
the movie that's the mean one, you know, that's like
the naughty one. Yes, so like those harder, like more
aggressive pop songs really were thrilling for me. Yes, and
I had a good time. I really had a lot
of fun watching this. I thought the animation looked really
cool too. It almost had like a stop motion quality

(41:49):
to it. Yes, and it was I don't know, I
thought it was like artistic and thoughtful looking. And the
character designs are really cool, Like the Soga boy. His
hair alone is fantastic, Like it's like the guy who
has kind of like the I don't know if you
call it like.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
A wolf cut. Is it a wolf cut?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's the one that's kind of like a mushroom top
sort of where it's in his eyes, Like you don't
even see his eyes.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I don't think, Okay, I feel like you cannot see
several of their eyes. Let me a look at these
Soja boys one moment, please, because really the Soja boys,
I mean Gmu is the leader or you know, the
you know, I would say the leader of the band, which,
by the way, as we talk about k pop, that
is an actual role that's in a K pop group. Right,

(42:41):
there's a leader in every K pop group.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Would you want to be a leader or would you
want to be one of these like side people?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh no, I listen if I would be a rapper? Like,
let's establish this way up top. So in most K
pop groups there are roles, which we'll get to in
just a second. Because K pop is a factory I
hate to admit that. As much as I have enjoyed it,
over the past year and a half, I have really

(43:09):
started to understand the factory quality of this musical genre. Okay,
and and every K pop group and there's like raging
from three like the Hunter Tricks to like there's a
band called seventeen I swear to god, I think they
have like ten members. I don't know how many people
are allowed to lead. Yeah, but you have certain roles.

(43:32):
So you usually have like bear Men's you have a leader,
and he's usually the guy that can speak the best English.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I hate to say it, I see, yes.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Not one hundred percent of the time, but for the
most part, he's the guy that is like in front
of the you know, entertainment tonight talking about whomever, right,
and he can speak English. Then you have on the
opposite and you have what they call the mackne, which
is the youngest member. And in this in uh Hunter Tricks,

(44:04):
I think it's Zoe, right, the black haired one. She's
the MACI and she, like the Mackne, is kind of
like a prized uh A member of the group because
they're the youngest, the cutest, they're the ones that are
supposed to perform the most cuteness I see.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Are they usually the fan favorite too? I mean does
it depend?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah? I can depend. I mean I will say for BTS,
which is the one K pop band that I actually
know a little bit about. John Cook, who is the
Mackne of BTS, I would argue is the most popular member,
despite the fact that I like them all, but he's
got that special little something. And I also think sort

(44:48):
of generally like everybody loves a youngest kid. They're so cute, right,
And I say this as the oldest kid, I could
care less about young kids. Uh fuck you, You've got
everything you wanted, okay, Yeah, and the oldest kids had
to suffer alone.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I feel that.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, I'm sure you're the oldest too, right.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I am.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
And then you have most times there's what they call
the lines, which is basically like rappers versus singers. So
you have like a rap line or in a vocal line, right,
and that is exactly what that is. Like guys or
girls who can rap, and then those who primarily sing,

(45:31):
and then typically you would have another member with This
is insane to me. I don't know why, but they're
called the visual, which is the hottest member.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, that would probably be the ABS, that would probably
be as right.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, I would not be the visual at all, clearly,
I would be. I would want to be in the
rap line. I think I'd like to be a like
what about you, I.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Want to be the little baby one. Yeah, I want
to be the young one. It's hard to resist. It's
it seems like there's less pressure. You just have to
kind of like be cute and if you goof up
it's kind of in character, you know, But I would
there seems like there's so much pressure to be in
one of these being Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I was gonna say. Conversely, I would say being the
mock name means you get infantilized, and so you're gonna
have to have your like, you know, justin Bieber moment
where you get a bunch of tattoos and you kind
of like, I'm amazing flip.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, well I just sent you a picture of mystery
who is in the Saja Boys, and he's the one
whose hair is completely covering his eyes. That's the hair
of style I was talking.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yes, I would like to say that that's a wolf cut,
but I don't. Yeah, I the Saja Boys are interesting.
I think the leader, Janeu is I mean, this is
gonna sound weird as shit, but I'm gonna throw it
out there. He's so attractive for yeah, a cartoon character.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I mean he's hot. He's very hot. He reminds me
a little bit of show Atani, I know, Japanese, but
that tall, you know, tree of a man you could climb. Yeah,
Genu's got that. Yeah, he's And the guy who voices
Hi looks exactly like looks a lot like him. I
don't know if you've looked him up on Heosop. Yeah,

(47:24):
I believe his name is.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I know that he was kind of designed after Like really,
I don't watch k dramas, by the way, I feel
like that's a world that I should not get into you.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
You think you'd lose yourself in there. We wouldn't get
MILLI back.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Oh, I think I would fall so far into the
core of the earth that I would never come out.
I mean you thought TikTok was bad. If I got
the K dramas, it would be game over. But yeah,
but yeah, I feel like his character was based on
these famous K drama actors who are all like hunky.

(48:04):
But I mean there are moments in K Pop Team
and Hunters where I was like, wow, like he's really
given a romantic look.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
There, Yeah, what is up they? I was really impressed,
like with the animation, like the facial reactions they had down.
I mean I haven't watched that many K pop music videos,
but they really had the moves down, the facial expressions,
the little like snaps they do, you know, and I
so it was like it felt like accurate. Yeah, you know,

(48:35):
historically accurate.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I would say too. And I mean I would be
remiss if I did not mention that all the Hunter
tricks are batties of the nth degree.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, do you have a favorite.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Well, normally I gravitate towards and this is actual and factual.
Anytime there's a group of girls that are in a
property an ip like a movie or a TV show.
I'm always gravitating towards like the black haired one, who
is usually the goth.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Right, there's definitely a goth character, the angsty one. Yes,
but and that's a Mirah. But that's what I was
about to say.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I think spiritually I love Mira because she feels the
most angsty, the most sarcastic, although she is not the
dark haired character who is who I usually go for.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Spiritually though I feel like she is.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, spiritually she is so it's hard to resist this
like baby Banged Frickly, like Little Puff Pigtails, Zoe the Mockney.
I she's so cute to me, And I was like, oh,
but she's a little too happy for me. Yeah, what

(49:52):
about you?

Speaker 2 (49:53):
You know what? I would say, Mirror is my favorite.
She's like the most goth, yes, and uh, I like that.
There's a few things this whole movie is in some
ways propaganda for like big K pop.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Oh good like Jesuz.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
There, I mean the basic like they're the crux of
the movie. A lot of times is like the only
fuel these K pop artists needs need are their fans
to love them and that like keeps them going above
all else. Yes, And I just thought that was really
kind of funny. Like that's kind of like what the

(50:33):
plot's about too. It's like the love that their fans
give them is what propels them, and.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
That's who they want to save at the end of
the day, and that's who they want to save. Yeah, listen, Casey,
I've been in this. I've been in these streets for like,
I don't know, maybe like fourteen months, sixteen months, these
k pop streets. I am a total newbie. So please,
if you're out there and you're like I've been I'll
send a k pop since you know, two thousand and five. Okay,

(51:04):
I respect you, and you know what, if you want
to email me dear movies at exactly rightmedia dot com,
give me some education, but I will just speak on
my limited experience with the kpop world. You and I, Casey,
come from this completely other world, which is called indie rock.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Now, I'm not saying in the current iteration of indie
rock that there aren't more commercial interests at hand. I
think we know that now, Okay, but it's really hard
I think for people of our persuasion to understand the
hyper capitalism of kpop.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
It is something that I mean, I've just been listening
to Fugazi's in on the Kill Table. You think, you know,
it's like I'm not even I can't even like understand
what's going on with this, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
So this is something that I have thought about so
much in this world because, like I said, you and
I are we were raised on primarily American independent music, right,
where the narrative is that a bunch of people get together,

(52:20):
they maybe went to high school together, they gone to
a garage, they started strumming on instruments, and then they
just sort of figured out how to be in a band,
and then they went on tour and they slept on
people's couches and then they maybe got popular maybe, right,
it's not a guarantee, right, Yes, this world has the

(52:42):
opposite sort of origin story for musicians that and really
you know, you can say musicians, but really kind of performers. Right,
there's a when it comes down to it, I feel
like the fan dumb of K pop is essentially the

(53:04):
whole It's the engine that drives the boat. Yeah, and
it's because you know, this is like these are. You know,
this is another country. I'm not going to suggest that
I know a ton about you know, the cultural you know,

(53:25):
ins and outs of South Korea or Korea, and about
what their entertainment industry is like, and what their beauty
standards are like, or what they what they expect out
of their celebrities. Certainly America has that too, but like
I honestly feel that, like when we're going to Fugazi
shows and paying like five dollars, Fugazi is not even

(53:46):
looking at us in the crowd. They don't even give
a fuck. I mean, I'm sure they care, but they
don't care.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
There's actually some distinct.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Say they hate their fans. Any rockers hate their fans,
and they certainly feel like they don't owe anything to us.
Does that make sense really?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah? No, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Whereas I think in the k pop world, there's this
thing called fan service, which is this is an insane
concept to me because of what we've just talked about,
which is that it is part of the training of
k pop to give fan service, and that includes like
doing fan signings and going onto you know, like live

(54:33):
environments like a Facebook live or like an Instagram live
in that kind of world to speak directly to fans,
look at them in the eye, tell them that they
love them, tell them that that they're that they're their girlfriends.
Do things on stage that suggest like love and appreciation
and maybe even like sexual or romantic attraction. And to me,

(54:54):
that feels kind of underhanded and weird a little bit.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
It almost feels like a phone sex operator in a way.
Like it's like you almost like you're you're trying to
entice them to spend more money on you, you know,
by like by being like I love you, you know,
you're so beautiful. Like our fans keep us going like there,
I don't know. Yes, it's weird, Yeah, it is weird.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
And there's there's like things in place that energize that.
Like all kip hop groups have a fandom that they've
named right, So like for example, if you're into BTS,
you're called Army, Right, if you're into a band called eighties,
you're called a tiny or whatever. So they're named so

(55:45):
you have a name, so you're referenced by name.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Mainly, I have to ask you what are our what
are our small but powerful group of listeners? Are fans?
What are they called so they can have camaraderie with
each other and we can offer fans services.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh my god, that is an amazing question. Well, a
large part of me believes that we should not create
the name, that they should create the name, right, just
to be like a little bit more organic organic crock.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, and so and so we can be like, oh
my god, so they call themselves this, I would never
yes label than that. But but if.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Right off the top of my head, and this is
probably the worst name, but I can't help but think
it would be really funny if our fans call themselves
the shitheads.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah. I think this is actually good because it's more
descriptive of a type of film person. It's how we
use the term, you know, a type of person who
likes art house films and like difficult films, and so

(57:00):
it's also a type of person separate from like a
fan of our show. Yes, it's more like descriptive of
the type of person who would like our show.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Right. It's like we always talk about, for those not
in the know, being in your shithead phase when you're younger,
which is that you're pretty much exclusively into very esoteric
and hard to comprehend things. Because you want to be
seen as artsy or interesting or whatever. You know, you're
like in film school and you're like, Tartovsky is the

(57:29):
only director that I fuck with. Right, that's your shitheadphase.
And so we talk about it often. We both have
had one.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Haven't totally escaped it either, haven't.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I kind of love it. I still from time to
time go back. But yeah, I was like, wouldn't it
be hilarious for fans of a thing to be called
the shitheads? I don't know if that would legally work
in any kind of capacity, but I think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Sure, I don't know what the SEO on that is.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
But what about you, though? What is your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
God, I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I mean I don't. I think I think the Shitheads
is great. I think that's great. And if it's not shitheads,
then I think we I think you're right. I don't
know if we should be the ones to ascribe a
name to our listeners, you know that's on that Yeah, maybe, Hey,
that's I'll respect it.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
You should email us at Dear Movies at exactly right
me come come up with a fan name if you
want to. That's if we have fans.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
If anyone's actually listening to this anyway.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
So back to the K pop names, right, the fan
the names of the fans. One of the things that
comes out of naming a fan base, I feel like,
is just this sense of camaraderie. Right, It's kind of
like being a dead head. That's kind of what I
like in this too. It's being a deadhead or a
fish head or something. It's kind of a way for
people to affiliate, right. But it's also I feel like,

(58:54):
a way in two fans that makes them feel special
and makes them feel wanted and appreciated to the end
that you're talking about, which is you must buy all
ten versions of this album in every color that color
way that we've released it in, or else you're not

(59:15):
a good fan or something like. There's that kind of
vibe to it. And I mean it's not just albums
they are. It's like it's kind of the supremification of
things like limited edition merch day only merch, like tour
merch albums. You know, you're you're getting nickel and dimed
a lot by these companies. And these are huge companies,

(59:38):
by the way. These are like multinational, huge corporations pumping
out bands They're like, you're going to pay for English
translations to live videos, You're going to pay for access
to special merch, not just on top of the merch itself,
but this special merch requires a subscription, and if we

(01:00:00):
release a documentary or a live concert, you will have
to go onto our platform, pay for a membership, and
then pay for you know, as like you would pay
for Amazon you know, on Amazon Prime, but then you
pay for titles by title. It really feels like a
huge investment. And so that's why I kind of like

(01:00:24):
cringe about the fan service stuff because I'm just like,
what are we doing? Are you coursing me into are
you loving me so that I can you know, buy
your stuff? And so that I think is what to
get back to the original point of Kpop Team in Hunters.
I think that that is possibly why there is so
much talk about fandom in this movie, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
You know what you're touching upon these corporation, these like
musicians as corporations essentially trying to get people to buy
as much stuff as possible. I think and God helped
me by invoking this name. We might need my mom
to I'm back on to make sure we're not killed
for invoking this person's name on the podcast. But that's
sort of one of the things that makes me feel

(01:01:08):
a little bit iggy about Taylor Swift. Yeah, and how
much money people are spending on seeing her live, and
you know, there's like the friendship brace, there's so many
things that go into it. And it's not as bad
as K pop, it doesn't sound like, but there is
an element with her as well where I'm like, would
you even consider yourself an artist or you a performer? Yeah?

(01:01:31):
You know, and yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, it's like I said, I think it's because we're old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I mean the concept of selling out that like I
would be fascinated to, like hear K pop artists thoughts
on like the nineties idea of selling out like that's
not in the concept that anyone can even does not
exist nor have any understanding anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I would I would suggest, I would be I would
go so far as I suggest. I think most modern
musicians who are in that level of the game are like,
why would you deny yourself millions of dollars when you
can just make a million dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Why would you be withholding and have your hair in
your eyes and turn your back to your audience as
you noodle on your guitar, when you can just talk
to them over their iPhones and tell them that you love.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Them, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
I just I think it's like a philosophical change that's
happened in fandom in that way. And again, like I
have to catch myself because I'm so wary of it.
And I don't know if it's because I, like I said,
I came from punk rock, or like I came from
this other world. And trust me, like when I was
a kid, I loved big bands. I loved like Janet

(01:02:46):
Jackson and Paul Abdulla and mc hammer and all that stuff.
But it's like I just have this running I don't know,
mistrust of that in music and in movies and a
lot of things where I'm just like, what the money thing,
the capitalism thing is just always going to eat at
me a little bit, and so totally it feels a
little weird, I mean, quite honestly. And I won't say

(01:03:10):
I mean, I won't say that I've made significant financial
investments into this world. I mean I've obviously gotten to concerts,
most of which were free. By the way, I am
thankful that I've been able to go for free to
some of these K pop shows, but I've purchased a
couple of little figurines. Look at this fucking pillow I
got in front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
We've got Choky, You've got Chookie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So it's like I have dropped a couple of times
on this stuff. But it's like, I know there are
people out there who are spending significant amounts of money,
especially in the concerts. Yeah, I mean, paying like thousands
of dollars to see one concert and going to multiple dates, traveling.

(01:03:54):
You know, it emerged. I mean, it's just kind of insane,
and I just I don't know, at a certain point,
you're kind of like, wow, this is kind of nutty.
And but you know, to the point of the movie too.
Now I want to talk about this because you you
brought this up before I recorded, which is that there's
this runner, this kind of like running theme in the

(01:04:15):
movie about how hun Tricks never gets to take a vacation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
This, Yes, this like really bothered me because there is
sort of and I think this is sort of wrapped
up in what we're talking about in their like relationship
to work, and it's like well, we don't need rest
because we have work and we love work because we
love our fans. You know, it's like kind of like
all wrapped up in one thing. But basically the beginning

(01:04:44):
of the movie, they're like, we're taking two weeks off.
We can't wait to sit on the couch. And actually,
when you google this movie, this little banner runs across
the top of Google and it says couch, couch, couch, couch,
because that's what happens in the movie. They're excited to
take a vacation and they are like, we're just gonna
sit on the couch for two weeks. Meanwhile, Roomy, the leader,

(01:05:07):
right as they're about to start like the first second
of vacation, she presses the release button on their latest single,
and their latest single goes out, and before they're even
able to start vacation, they have to go back on
tour or like do press for this latest single. And
at first, you know, Zoe and Mira are like upset

(01:05:29):
that they don't have vacation, but then they see one
of their fans out in the world and they're like,
you know what, we don't need vacation, Let's go back
to work. But if someone had done that to me,
I would have literally like killed I would have like
murdered them. I can you imagine such a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Thing listen, especially now in my middle age, I'm like,
no one is going to stop me from that. PTL ever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
And then at that moment, I said she is a
demon for doing that. I wrote that in my notes
and guess what. It turns out she is part demon. Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
That's neither here now. I So I do, like you
believe it goes back to and again, this is a
based on things and that I've read and sort of
gleaned from listening to interviews with people who are in

(01:06:24):
the K pop world and stuff. So you know, very
generally there is a trainee system at work when it
comes to K pop, which is basically, like think about
it like this. It's basically like, imagine the music industry
in your country is essentially like camp, right, It's like
star search camp or American idol camp. And you know

(01:06:46):
you're a young kid, you're you know, maybe into singing
and dancing, and then you're like, I want to become
a K pop idol or something like that, so you
hope to get signed up with an agency, which is
like again one of these like big kind of corporations
that are pumping out these K pop bands. Once you
make it into that system, you're basically training every day,

(01:07:11):
pretty much all day and all night into things like dancing, singing,
fan service. They actually teach you fan service, They teach
my dog is walking around. They teach you how to
speak different languages because of course, like you should know
Japanese on top of Korean, on top of English, on whatever,

(01:07:33):
a little Spanish, perhaps a little French. You have to
learn how to pretend to not have girlfriends and boyfriends
and to not have a love life, and like you're
basically on diets and you're maybe getting a little plastic surgery,
and it's so it's this thing where you become and
this is a trainee, mind you, this is not you

(01:07:55):
haven't even made it in the band yet, Okay. So
then what happens is you get to a point where
you're maybe like I don't know, one of the best
people in the camp, and then they will stick you
or maybe like try you out with different people and
then they kind of create a band with you. So
you're like, hey, you know how to rap a little bit,
why don't you be in the wrap line of this band,

(01:08:16):
and then you're a team now, and then we're gonna
what they call debut you, and which is basically they
you know, it's basically like you're coming out into polite society.
It's your like Catillion or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, and then
from there it's like you get put into the system,
which is that you're releasing singles, releasing videos, releasing concept

(01:08:41):
photos and whatever the hell. And then it's like you're
doing live streams on your platform, you're doing you know,
fan signings, you're organizing shows. So you're just kind of
put into this assembly line of things. And pretty much
every band has it. Every band has it in their own,
you know, specific ways, but you know, it's pretty much

(01:09:03):
the same vibe throughout every band. So to me, the
idea that Hunterricks gets no time off seems accurate, Like
it actually seems pretty accurate based on what I've read
about K pop bands, which is that they're basically working
so hard that they're like not eating and they're like

(01:09:23):
crying because they don't have a day off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
And yeah, but like normally in the movies like this,
it's like some manager is putting the force on them
to make that happen. But in this movie, it's like, Oh,
we just can't help ourselves. We just have to worry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, And I do feel like maybe that is you
do get indoctrinated into that line of thinking at some ways, like, well,
if we're gonna make it, if we're gonna uh, what
is it? The han moon? So this concept the han moon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Is I didn't really want to get into this because
I found this a little Yeah, I did too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
I feel like the han moon is what the the
essence of goodness or something. I don't know. I don't
know what it is, to be honest, but yeah, no,
so you know, I guess what I'm What I mean
about it is that, you know, they're basically like they're
so dedicated to this task that they're like, I don't
even get to sit on a couch for more than

(01:10:19):
five minutes before we have to go back to work.
And I feel like that is actually happening in actual
game hop which is kind of kind of nutty, but
you know, it is what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
So can I talk about just a few just maybe
as we're sort of wrapping up this conversation, but just
a few things that bothered not bothered me, but we're
kind of interesting watching this from a movie point of view.
There has to be it. They have to be setting

(01:10:50):
up for a sequel, right, Oh, like that was very
clear in this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I mean I think the Sage Boys are its own.
They're gonna be like a Halloween costume, like you wouldn't
believe this year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Oh yeah, but the end of the movie spoilers. Basically,
Genu and the Saja Boys are sentenced to the Demon
Realm forever and they we like, don't get any resolution
on that. It's like, oh, by they're in They're in hell, okay,
and we don't like they don't escape that. But also,
so many people are killed in this movie. And I

(01:11:24):
was so certain at the end when Hundricks was victorious
that that would like release the souls of all these
people and they would come back. No, they don't. They're everyone.
All these people that died are trapped in hell. I guess.
So I found that kind of dark. And then apparently
Roomy is half demon because her dad is a demon.
We never find any information out about that whatsoever, Like

(01:11:49):
who is this guy? Yeah that must be a sequel.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah, yeah, her parents generally are not in it right, Like, yes,
because Celene. There's this character named Selene.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Okay, I yes, you want to talk about Selene. Well,
Selene is the one that took her in and trained
her to be a demon hunter and a pop star. Yeah.
But Selene is like, do not tell anyone you are
a part demon because you look like a freak. You
are a freak, and if you hide it, no one
will ever know. And I was so certain at the

(01:12:19):
end of the movie, because the message at the end
of the movie is like, be who you are, be vulnerable.
Your vulnerability is your strength. These are all great things.
These are all great things. But Selene never comes back
and is like I was wrong, you were right, which
I thought was sort of odd.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, because her character was sort of the like spiritual
guide guidance. I was just like, well, she sucks, what's all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
But it's like I thought for sure she'd be like,
I'm so sorry, you were right. I love you. No,
the last thing we hear from her is like, do
not tell people who you actually are, because you a
freak and our gross frankly, And I just thought that.
So there were some like weirdly dark kind of things
going on in this movie that I thought were kind

(01:13:11):
of unresolved, and like, ginuw who is our lead hunk,
our leader. He's in hell because he abandoned his sister
and his mother And I was like, yikes, I don't know.
I was like, that's that's a little bit of an
insurmountable sin for me to like forgive this guy. I know,

(01:13:32):
but yeah, I don't know. It was quickly forgiven by Rumy,
but I was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Like, you spoiler alert. I was like, he died, man,
he fucking died, like he or he said, set back
to help hell. I don't know where the hell he went.
He evaporated into nothing. And I was like, that's fucking crazy.
But also maybe he should have because that is pretty bad.

(01:13:58):
Your mom's a bad mama, and your sister while you're
in the palace eating fucking kimbop and being all fancy
while you're mom and sister get killed or dying in
the streets. Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
And like he's like I abandon them, and room, He's like,
that's okay, that's not you. Now. I was like, I
don't know about that. Girl.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
That's a red flag. That is a red flag girl.
Come on, what in the world, Oh my god, anything
else about K Pop Demon Hunters. I feel like this
was such an undertaking and I I just have to
thank you because I suggested it, and not just because
of the K pop thing, but just because it felt
like such a huge current thing to talk about, you

(01:14:46):
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
I was intimidated. Yeah, it felt like I was taking
a master's course or like there's a lot of study
that is required. But I really liked this movie, really
enjoyed it, and the songs are great. And you know,
if you're having to watch a movie eight hundred times

(01:15:08):
with your kids, there are worse movies. I will say that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Well, let me ask you this, and I will say
first off that Hunterricks. Some of those Hunterrix songs were
actually done by this K pop girl group named Twice,
who are an actual K pop group. Can you see
yourself enjoying K pop at all after watching K Pop
Demon Hunters?

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Yeah, I mean we were talking about Fugazi earlier, so
I have an affinity for that type of music. But
I also I love pop music yeah too. I saw
Carl re Jebson in concert. I've seen Ariana Grande in concert,
so I'm not I'm not immune pop. I could see
you being like a Black Pink fan, A Blink I

(01:15:54):
like Black Pink. Yeah, I could see that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
I got to say, now that I'm thinking about it,
I really do think if I were to prescribe you
a kpop group that's currently out there, I would say
you're a TXT guy, okay, and I'll tell you why.
Those are some sensitivos. There are some sweet little boys.
Their songs are really good. Like their songs are like

(01:16:19):
they kind of remind me of like eighties songs. There's
there's something to them. They're songs that feel and I
realize that one or several people are writing all the
songs for all these bands, but for some reason, their
vibe is a little bit more sensitive. They don't really
rap very much. They have great looks to them. They're

(01:16:41):
kind of like tall and lanky, and they kind of
have like a poetic looking vibe to them. And their
songs are awesome, like they're kind of okay. I think
they are as close to indie rock songs as we're
going to get in this world. I just have to say, Okay,
look them up tomorrow by together.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Oh my god, Millie, what a combo. Thank you for
guiding me. So welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Thanks for being so game for this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
All right, everybody, it's time for another installment of our
segment called my Area of Expertise, and we have two
experts on the show. Are our new best friends in
the entire world, Lizzie Bassett and Chris Winterbauer of the
What Went Wrong Podcast. Hi, guys, thanks for being here. Hi,

(01:17:39):
thank you for having us. Yes, it's our pleasure. So
we wanted to bring you guys on to talk about
an area of expertise, which is essentially your podcast. We
can give us a little description of your podcast and
what your area of expertise is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Sure, so as you may be able to tell by
the title of our podcast, What Went Wrong details everything
that canon does go wrong behind the scenes on movies,
and we cover everything from the biggest blockbusters to the
biggest box office bombs or big time floppers as we
like to call them. And it's really just it's we're

(01:18:24):
not here to shame any movies. We are here to
celebrate the fact that movies get made period, because it
is so incredibly difficult to make a movie and so
much can go wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
So that's what we explore. Where did this kind of
start from, did you guys both individually have kind of
interest in movies that were disasters in the production, or like,
how did that begin? Well?

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
I had Lizzie comes from an acting background initially, and
then she became a producer, and I think, Lizzy, you
can tell me if I'm wrong, but you could see
through your product producing just all the random crap that
could go wrong. And Lizzie worked for IMDb and doing
their interview junkets, et cetera. And I'm sure got stories
from folks that way. And then I was a film

(01:19:12):
school douchebag who then had the opportunity to make a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, and I are both film school douchebags to film
school shitheads as well, sometimes referring to each other. I'm
so jealous.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
I'm an acting school shithead, the worst one level below.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
And after I got my diploma, which has, you know,
the douchebag title on it, I did. I had the
opportunity to make a movie in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
and it was such a hard emotionally hard, logistically hard,
and it was a tiny movie. It was not hard
by the standard of so many of the movies that
we cover.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
On our show.

Speaker 6 (01:19:52):
It was minuscule, but I really quickly realized I didn't
know anything about making movie, about how hard it was
to make a movie, And the minute it was done,
I had such deep empathy for anybody who ever attempted
to make anything. And I really came to believe that
every movie, good and bad, it's a miracle anything ends
up on the screen. And so Lizzie and I were

(01:20:15):
along with David, her husband, my best friend, were sitting
outside the arc light at the Veggie Grill shout out
and I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Know that very well.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
Yeah, And so the idea was like, hey, could we
do a podcast that tries to impress upon listeners how
hard it is, how hard people work to even make
a bad movie.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Well, you're missing a key part of this story, which
is that I believe hadn't we just seen Cats.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Or we were going to see Cats? Cats?

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
Everybody was the entire world, but he was collectively crapping
on Cats. And I thought, I bet you Cats was
really hard to make and a lot of people worked
really hard to make it, and that was true, and
that became our first episode.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I will always like, remember this Cat was the last
movie I saw before Lockdown.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I think it was mine too, really, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Was terrified that I was, so I went to a
rowdy screening of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
So yeah, we were all in the same one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Honestly, at your rowdy screening, did they pass out bubbles?
So there was a point where there were bubbles? No,
I don't, I swear to you. I was convinced that
I was going to catch COVID. Like when COVID happened
like the next week, I was like, well, I was
in that bubble room at Cats at the the Alamo

(01:21:37):
Drafts House in downtown l A. I definitely have COVID.
There's no way I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Right, It's a perfect like COVID distribution weapon exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Somehow miraculously it did not have COVID. But I will
never forget Cats being that movie that I saw before Lockdown.
So but I have to say, I really like the
attitude that you guys have about the movies, because you know,
soone like other people or when you're dabbling in you know,
I don't know, cult cinema or like any kind of thing.

(01:22:06):
When you're talking about movies that are maybe like not
super successful, I guess is the better way to put it.
There's just such a like a braddy attitude towards like
making fun of it in that like you know, oh,
or like so high above this like piece of shit
or whatever. So I like the idea that you're like
coming at it from the angle of, well, you know

(01:22:27):
how hard it is to make a movie. It's like
impossible to get things done. So we're just talking about
it in that way. I don't know, I like the angle,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It's really nice, Chris as a filmmaker, does it make
you feel good every time you hear something bad happen
to these people making a movie, or like, do you
take comfort in the fact you're like it was so
hard for me, it's so nice that it's like that
was normal.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
I feel a camaraderie, and I don't want to overstate
that I do. I'm not saying Steven Spielberg's might peer
or anything, but I I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
You can say that on this part, I say, that's fun.
James Cameron is my peer.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
No, I do feel like when I've talked to a
number of other people from a former film school, classmates,
just other people I connect with, who have you know,
everybody they've all directed their first movie or maybe their
second movie, and we do kind of all feel like
we're part of this club where we can commiserate a
little bit and we're like, you made it, dude. Like
whenever we watch each other's first movie, the first thing

(01:23:25):
you say is just you did it, Like holy shit.
It's kind of like when someone finishes a marathon. You're
not gonna be like, here's your time. You're gonna give
them a hug, and you're gonna say, that was incredible.
You got to the finish line. Congratulations. And I definitely
feel that. And when I definitely I feel like when
I watch movies now, even if I don't like the movie,

(01:23:46):
I think, wow, how did they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
That is so cool?

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
Or that was a really interesting decision, or I wonder
if that was a compromise, and I wonder what drove
that compromise as opposed to this thing just didn't work
for me, and I'm gonna leave it at that. So
it's give me a deeper appreciation for movies, even the
ones that I don't love that we cover.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Well, let's get into this a little bit. You guys
have some examples of things that have gone wrong or
some rules based on like the craziest stories that you've
heard that are sort of like through lines for all
these movies. Why don't you uh let us know what
those are?

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Yeah, I thought, why don't we start in just really
the worst place possible on maybe one of the most
insane movies we've ever covered, which I unfortunately rewatched large
parts of prior to this, And the rule the movie,
if you've never seen it before, is Roar, and I
can tell you a little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
But if you haven't, have you seen that? Millie?

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Oh hell yes, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Did I program that on TCM. I have programmed you did.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
It was a classic what I thought. Other people may
not have felt that way, but.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
I'm just saying, well, I think the rule that we
are the lesson we can take from Ror is never
filmed with one hundred and fifty untrained lions and tigers.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
Which is like a subcategory under don't shoot with animals,
which is the world that you hear and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Don't shoot with animals, but really don't do what they did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
That's a good rule.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Let me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
It's not super widely seen or known for I think
obvious reasons. When you actually turn it on but the
tagline on it is a nineteen eighty one comedy. We'll
put that in air quotes, and the tagline on IMDb
is a naturalist living with big cats in East Africa
expects a visit by his family of four from Chicago.

(01:25:42):
A mix up leaves it searching for his family, who
have been left in the clutches of wild lions. However,
if you are listening to this, you could stop the podcast.
You can go to YouTube and you can watch literally
any five minutes of this movie. That's all you need
to see because the whole thing, I think Chris said
this when we covered it, it is just ninety minutes

(01:26:04):
of people actually being mauled by lions. There's no plot whatsoever.
It's just people moving from one room to the next,
trying to escape lions, tigers, elephants, people getting bitten on
their hands, on their heads. People are bleeding left and right.

(01:26:24):
I can use a little bit of background or yeah, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Really quickly before you do.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
It's you're under selling how many animals are in this,
because I think people are going to think, oh, one
hundred and fifty, that must be different scenes. If you've
ever lifted a rock, and seen like a swarm of
bugs underneath it looks like that, but with lions in
a room, it's actually like just it's horrified. It's actually
horrifying to think about. It's so terrifying when you actually

(01:26:48):
watch it. Excuse me for interrupting, but I actually think
you're under selling no, just how insane it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
There should never be this many lions in one room,
nor should the lions be in a room in the
first place. That's of the problem. But so it stars
Tippy Hedrin and her then husband Noel Marshall. Spoiler alert,
they do not stay married, and it doesn't have anything to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Do with a lion eating him.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
No, he did not.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
Die by being mauled by a lion, which honestly is
stunning when you watch this because he's just pissing these
lions off for ninety minutes straight. It also stars her
nineteen year old daughter, Melanie Griffith aka mother of Dakota Johnson,
and also Noel Marshall's two kids. One of his kids said,
fuck you, dad, I'm not filming with the lions, So
kudos to that kid. Written and directed by Noel Marshall,

(01:27:36):
and you guys will never guess this. This is his
only writing, directing, or acting credit. I don't know why,
and I'll read you this as well. When it was
re released by draft House Films, the tagline it earned
was no animals were harmed in the making of this film.
Seventy cast and crew members were. However, that appears to
be an understatement. It is likely closer to one hundred

(01:27:59):
casting injured.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
I said, Okay, So, am I remembering this wrong? Or
was this movie either inspired by or inspired the uh
Tippy Hedgron family to own their own lions? Isn't this
like their passion was owning lions or something.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Yes, so there's an interesting background on this, and you
might be referring to there's a very famous Life magazine
photoshoot that shows Tippy Hedron and a very young Melanie
Griffith with a full size lion. You can look this up.
It is wild. At the time, it was purported that
that was like their family pet who lived with them.
That's not actually true. It was kind of a staged

(01:28:42):
photoshoot to try and drum up support for this movie. Oh,
I see they did so. Basically what happened was she
made the birds with Alfred Hitchcock, had a horrible time.
He was extremely like a nice a.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Movie where she's being attacked by animals.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
She has a bad time with animals and she really
loved them, had a horrible time on that, and so
she was really like coming out of a place of trauma.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Basically.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
When she and her at this point husband Noel Marshall,
go to Africa while she's filming another movie, they see
a plantation overrun by lions. He remembers that Born Free,
which is a movie about one lion, had come out recently,
and so he's like, I can make a bajillion dollars
if I do a movie with one hundred lions. And

(01:29:27):
so they talk to a bunch of trainers. The trainers
are like, you cannot do this, and then one trainer
is like, well, you could do it if you raise
a couple of lion cubs together. That's the only way
you can do this many in one scene. So Millie,
to your point, they did start taking in I think
babies at the house. They did not have a full
size lion there, and she actually regrets staging it that

(01:29:51):
way because it makes it look like, oh, you could
have a full sized lion as a pet. You absolutely cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
Yeah, no matter what people tell you, I swear every
time I'm going to reference TikTok a lot because it's
the only place I get my news. When people on
TikTok will show you that it's possible for you to
like just bring wild animals into your home and like
raise these pets as babies. Oh we found this baby
rhino or whatever, and then you're just like, well, now

(01:30:19):
they're a part of the family. And I'm sitting here
going have none of you seen Roar. I mean, this
is insane, Like you can't just do this and promote
that it is a thing you can do to.

Speaker 5 (01:30:29):
Other for other people do, right, Although if you watch ror,
it is not going to make you want any of
these animals as pets.

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
Yeah, I'm surprised Roar, like one minute roar clips haven't
become a viral TikTok trend because they I think if
people saw them now they would actually think they're ai
because yeah, it doesn't look real, too unreasonable.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Yeah, Well, so when they began filming, they had one
hundred and thirty two big cats excuse me, one elephant,
three sheep, as well as ostriches, flamingos, marraboo, storks, black
swan and many many. Moore, I have a tallly of
the injuries on set. If you would like to hear them,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
All right, I'm ready. It's gnarly, it's bad.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
So Noel Marshall he developed Gangreen and he was bitten
over eleven times, several of which you can see on screen.
There's a part early on where the lion just fully
bites through his hand and his hand is bleeding, and
he's like, you know, he's a horrible actor, but give
him credit for standing character.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
The whole time. He just doesn't stop. It's really it's
really strange. Tippy Hedron did not make it out unscathed.
She was picked up and had her leg crushed by
the elephant, which she also developed Gangreen from that. She
was scratched on the arm by a leopard, bitten on
the chest by a cougar, and in footage they were

(01:31:51):
trying to shoot to actually promote the movie, a lion
named Cherries bit her head and she said she could
hear the sound of its teeth scraping her skull. Wow, golly,
I still made the money. Yeah, he reminds me of
Tiger King. Shit. Yeah, well you got to get to
yondubont I will.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
He's coming later, So Melanie Griffith as a reminder, Tippy
Hedrons at this point, I believe nineteen year old daughter,
who had a burgeoning acting career for which I think
you might need your face and both of your eyeballs,
was attacked in the face by a lioness, which resulted
in fifty stitches. They thought she was going to lose
an eye and be permanently disfigured. She had to have

(01:32:32):
reconstructive surgery after this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
My god.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
Both of his kids were also attacked. One of them
was bitten on the back of the head by a lion,
the other one was bitten in the thigh by a lion. However,
as Chris pointed out, the most upsetting injuries belonged to
Yon Debant, who you may know would go on to
be the director of Twister, Speed, many more things. At
this point, he was a cinematographer and he got scalped

(01:32:58):
by Cherry's literally ripped a scalp off two hundred and
twenty stitches. Yeah, and then the worst one, the poor
assistant director suppared bites in the face, throat, chest, thigh,
and almost had his ear ripped off. He needed four
and a half hours of surgery after an attack.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Oh my god, we're just talking about ads.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Casey r was one of our most recent episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
Poor ab Yeah, the most thankless job. And then also
you're getting mauled by a lion during it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Have you guys done twister on the podcast too? Yeah? Okay, cool,
I know that. I know Yonder Bant was sort of
responsible for some behind the scenes made Well, if you've.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
Been scalped by a lion, maybe you have a higher
threshold for.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
I think, yeah, I think that speaks to Lizzie kind
of like the rule that kind of the problem that
extends from this rule that we've seen a lot on
the podcast is when you there's a temptation to want
to be the good soldier on any movie set because
there's so much money being spent. You know, you're spending
even on an independent film, you know, one hundred thousand
dollars a day. That would could be a completely reasonable

(01:34:03):
amount of money if you just amortize the budget across
the shooting schedule. And so if you miss an hour, right,
that could be ten thousand dollars, and so there can
be a temptation or a pressure if you're an actor
you know, or really anybody director or below, to just
want to go with whatever suggested, no matter what the
safety precautions or lack thereof are. And if you are

(01:34:25):
somebody who's shot with one hundred and thirty two big
cats and been scalped and lived to tell the tale,
you may have a different threshold for what you're comfortable
with on set then a young actress like you know,
excuse me, Helen Hunt in Twister, or Bill Paxton for
that matter. And so there were injuries on the Twister set,
and they were also dropping things from helicopters near the car,

(01:34:48):
and the crew felt that the cast felt they were
getting a little too close, and John's like, okay, let's
all calm down. I got scalped by a lion. We
don't need to worry about what's falling out of the helicopter.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
And Undebon is a bit of a mad man.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
And I think you would, yeah, gladly take that title
or descriptor, and that it's important on all of these
film sets to have independent bodies who are responsible for
the safety of all of your performers and all of
your crew because people have died on these movies, and
no movie is worth somebody's life.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
You're so right, Chris, with like the kind of like
good soldier attitude on a film set that sort of ingrained,
you know, back on our shithead film school days. That
was like a very much a big thing where it's
like it's a point of pride if you worked on
a set for like twenty hours straight or you like
haven't slept in four days or like, which is so dangerous.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
I mean people are killing people, falling asleep at the wheel,
leaving movie sets. Like it's not it's not a cool thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yes, it's not a badge of honor. It really is
one of those things that I feel like needs to
become disentangled from making movie the movie making process, because
it doesn't need to be that way. It doesn't don't
need to like die for your art, and it doesn't
mean you're not a real filmmaker if you're not like

(01:36:09):
near death making it, you know, even though it always
feels like that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:12):
But yeah, if you guys want to read a great
book from a director who I think really understood that,
Sidney Lumetz, making movies is Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I have read that book, and I love how there's
so much about his lunch routine.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Yeah, and just driving to set, you know, and speaking
with the actors. And they worked, They worked hard. It
was a hard you know. I don't think he was
an easy director. He worked people hard, but it was
reasonable and there were expectations, there was an understanding that
it's a collaborative medium and he I admire him greatly
as a director. And it's a wonderful book. If you
guys are interested in movies, in the process of making

(01:36:46):
movies and what it is to be a director.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Yeah, absolutely great book. Do you guys want to move
on to another this is fascinating about roor I feel
like we could if you guys are interested in more
animal nonsense.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
Doctor Doolittle, The Rex Hair and One is another great example.
The Favorite also a terrible movie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
That is a bad movie. I have seen that. Yeah,
it's it's not the greatest. No, it's not great.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
It's pretty slow, No it's yeah, but a draft did
step on its own penis and they had to shut
down production as a result. They and again they used
like twelve hundred a animals in that movie, not all
big cats much better, it seems like in terms of safety.
But it's just shooting with animals is such a nightmare.
They had to build all the sets on a slight

(01:37:32):
slant so that the pee and the Pooh would just
run off the set. By the end of the day,
like the trainers were getting hepatitis. All the goats were
kicking holes in the walls.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Just don't shoot with.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Animals if you can avoid it, you know, or CGI
them if possible. Yeah, but Lizzy, Lizzie, please.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
This is a good one. So never try to change
your whole movie in the edit.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
There's always the common adage of we'll fix it in post,
but there are some things you cannot fix simpost. And
the example I would like to bring to you today
is Jeelie, which is widely regarded, as you know, allegedly
one of the worst movies ever made. I we don't agree.
It's not good. It's certainly not the worst movie I've
we've ever seen for the podcast, As we just mentioned,

(01:38:16):
Doctor Doolittle with Rex Harrison is way worse than Sheilie.
There's many more, but for anybody who doesn't know, this
came out in two thousand and three. It starred famously
Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. This was the inception of Benefer,
which we'll see was actually the demise of Jeelie. It
also has Justin Bartha, Christopher walk In, and al Pacino.

(01:38:39):
Have you guys ever seen this?

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Neither have I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Oh, I sh shit. I feel like we're still feeling
the reverberations of Benefer to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
You are, yeah, And I the only reason why I
actually want to see it, well, I mean just because
it's a I always want to watch anything that is
going to like is a topic of conversation amongst like
film people. But you know, I kept. I we did
an episode of my last podcast about Midnight Run, and
I did a lot of research on Martin Brust, who

(01:39:11):
directed Jilie, and basically like he had had this amazing career.
I mean he did like Beverly Hills cop and Midnight Run,
which is a masterpiece, and then he did Gelie and
then basically it was like, oh, I guess I'm gonna
have to leave Hollywood and be a hermit, Like it
drove him away from movies, and I was like, really,
is it that bad? Like do we overblow this thing.

(01:39:32):
It's like, this guy's like JD. Souinger now because of
this thing. So I don't know. I want to see
it because I want to be like, was it enough
to make a man like disappear? Or or could we
have les?

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Did somebody need to cease to exist because of this movie?

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
He's an amazing writer and director to Midnight Run is wonderful. Also,
you messed a woman, of course, and.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
As Lizzie knows, my secret favorite movie You Meet Joe Black,
which nobody agrees with me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
I'm the only one.

Speaker 6 (01:40:04):
And I can watch Brett Pitt do a bad pets
wax and all day long. I love that movie. But
he's a wonderful director.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I know, I really wish he would come back.
But so to your point, like, does this movie deserve
the derision that it has gotten? Maybe not, but it's not.
It is a mess. It's not good. And so what
happened was you may remember the trailers for this movie
they were pitching it. Well, what do you remember about
seeing any trailers for this movie? What did it look

(01:40:33):
like to you?

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
See?

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I kind of get this one intertwined with like Jersey Girl. Yeah, okay,
but that's a good point. That's a good point. So
what genre would you qualify those as? I thought they
were both sort of romantic comedy.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Yeah, bingo, bingo. Okay, there you go. So absolutely it
was marketed as a rom com. However, it was written, shot,
and originally edited as a gritty mob drama. Adam Brody
actually auditioned for the part that Justin Bartha eventually got,
and he said he remembered really liking the script. He
didn't understand when the movie came out and it had

(01:41:07):
done so badly, and he really liked the ending where
the main character dies. That does not happen in the
movie that was released. So what happened was as soon
as Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez met each other on set,
they fell in love. Sparks were a fly in, can't
keep their hands off of each other. She just married

(01:41:29):
her second husband. Don't worry about that. They're going to
get divorced, not a big deal. But they get together
essentially right away, And to be fair to her, I
think she did separate from her husband it basically immediately.
But so principal photography on the film as shot, remember
not a rom com, wrapped in March of two thousand
and two, and by June of two thousand and two,

(01:41:51):
she has officially filed for divorce from her husband and
she has gone public with Ben Affleck. And what do
you remember about them getting together?

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
I remember the uh, Don't be Fools by the Rock
Jenny from the Block video. Yes do you remember that? MILLI?

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Yes, I did. Hazy damn. You got a razor sharp
memory for Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I was very locked into pop culture at the time.
I mean, this was my peak MTV and VH one consumption.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
True, anybody that doesn't remember this video. After they come
out together, it's like a huge deal. Everybody's like, oh
my god, this is Hollywood's biggest power couple. And then
they appear together in the video for Jenny from the Block,
and I don't know if you watched this in years,
it is wild. It is like it's it's cringe city,
and you know, God bless them to do whatever you
want to do. But it's sort of too much. And

(01:42:44):
I think that's kind of what starts to happen is
they're way over exposed. So the budget for Julie was
massive to begin with because of the cost of Jennifer
Lopez and Ben Affleck. It was over fifty million dollars
and early test screenings they're not great, they're not horrible,
but people didn't really get it. So the producer gets

(01:43:05):
really nervous. There is a guy named Joe Roth, and
he's like, I know what I'm gonna do to make
this money, make this movie, make all the money in
the world. I'm going to make it a rom com
about Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. And of course the
problem was that it was not written or shot as
a rom com. Also, her character is a lesbian. I

(01:43:27):
didn't know that she's gay. She's gay, so they had
to like retcon the whole movie around the fact that
she's still a lesbian in the movie. But somehow she
falls in love with and literally drives off into the
sunset with Ben Affleck by the end of She and there's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:46):
Like sex scenes written as like a joke on the
fact that, like in the original movie, she she sleeps
with Ben Affleck not because she's attracted to him, but
because she's performing a role. Right, she's effectively taken on
a different identity, and so she does it to stay
in this identity and it's like, so the way she
just seduces him is written comedically like he's really into her,

(01:44:09):
and she says gobble gobble as like a way to
get him to come and perform, uh kind of lingus
sorry for any younger listeners on her, and it's hilarious.
But then it's supposed to be like this transformative experience
and they actually fall in love, which makes no sense
at all, Like because she che what you're saying exactly,

(01:44:30):
that's what they're trying to suggest, so they like kind
of maybe suggests that she's I feel like they tried
to retcon she's bisexual Lizzy, if I'm remembering correctly.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
A little bit in there, and she horned that in there,
but very much this is like this is a and
I turned her situation, which is like.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Which afflic is now two for two after what chasing Amy?
Like you're just gonna just say that. There's another film
that comes to mind.

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
This one was not his fault. No, it's totally not
Afflex's fault. I don't think he wanted to do any
of this.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
No, I don't think either of them did. And so
the producer basically, even though Martin Brest had final cut.
He forced them to do like weeks of reshoots that
ballooned the budget up to seventy five million dollars because
he's like, it's fine, I'm going to get my return
on investment. They're the hottest thing ever. But then by
the time Jelie came out, the worm had really turned

(01:45:20):
on Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. They were so overexposed.
So when this comes out, it was a certified stinker.
It made seven million dollars worldwide. It's one of the
lellion seven million, yeah against seventy against seventy with two
of the biggest young stars, and Pacino has the cameo.
As you mentioned, Lizzie, yes for Walkin.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
Yeah, and Walkin's role got cut really short because of
the rework just to die I think, yeah, and he's
like a buch bigger part and they just kind of
trimmed him out entirely. And of course what we learned recently, Lizzie,
did you see this seth Rogan also auditioned for the
role that went to Justin Bartha and he basically said,
if anybody has that videotape, pleased, you know, burn it
because he's doing it. He's doing a disabled person like

(01:46:03):
he's doing a mentally handicapped person impression as the role.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
And he really was great in the movie either.

Speaker 6 (01:46:10):
No, and he said like at the time, it was
like this is Oscar bait, Like I'm going to win
an Oscar for this, this is my rain Man, Like
that's really what everybody thought auditioning for this movie. Sure,
and I think this is around the time of I
Am Sam. Also, I think we'd finally started to see like, hey,
maybe we shouldn't have like actors Chase Glory and then
we get the simple Jack in Trauma Thunder a few

(01:46:31):
years later.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
Yes, what's really crazy timing wise is that one month
after this movie came out, and I believe three days
before their wedding, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez broke up
citing excessive media attention. And obviously, of course that happens
again history.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
I didn't know that was a box you could check
on a divorce form.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
I was gonna say, that's that's the reason why I
left my last husband is ox sensive media attention.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
I will say, when I was researching this, when we
did the episode on it, when I went back and
actually looked at, like the headlines and the way that
they were being treated. It was bad, Like in particular Jennifer.
The jokes at Jennifer Lopez's expense about like her ethnicity,
among other things, were terrible at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Yeah, what is it two thousand and three? Is that
in the two thousand and three I always say the
early two thousands was a low point for feminism and
for a lot of things, but especially if you were
a woman in media, it was terrible for you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
So makes well, that's that's Jilie for you. Amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
I'm watching it. Fuck you should we should do an
episode about it, case.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
About it, and I think you should.

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
Yeah, there are some other ones we haven't gotten to.
Like World War Z has like a famous reshoot, very
drastic reshoot. The entire third act is completely replaced, and
the director and and Brad Pitt and the you know
studio were kind of all at odds. And Jade excuse me, uh,
one of the creator of Loss not Abrams, the right,

(01:48:00):
Damon Lindeloff was brought in, Thank you, Lizzy to do
like the big third actory. Right, So that's another one.
And there are all these examples of like you kind
of end the day with the movie that you have,
and it can be tempting to think, oh, but there's
this other version that's right there. It's a lot further
than it looks. I think is the thing that we've learned,
and it's it's really hard to uh, you know, it's

(01:48:22):
that Jack Donnegie thirty thirty Rock, he's trying to create
a new microwave oven technology and then he's reinvented the
Ford Pinto by the end of the night, like you
kind of end with the Frankenstein no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
So that I think it's really hard to church to
like a just tone too. Like you might be able
to like cut things out or like streamline things, but
it still needs to stay in the same genre. It
seems like Jeee was trying to like genre jump, which
feels like that feels impossible.

Speaker 5 (01:48:53):
Yeah, there's no way it was gonna work. It didn't
make any sense. And you know, I feel horrible from
Martin Brest to your point, Millie, like he this was
his nightmare and it literally made him stop making movies.
And that's an incredibly talented person who did not deserve
the title of director of the worst movie ever made.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
It's not, but Lizzie, you made this point in the episode.
It made Ben Affleck make movies.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
That's true. It made him become a director, and I
think he's a really good director.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
He decided to become a director, or he decided to
start directing because he realized, the only way I'm going
to be able to have any control in this business
is if I direct and I control the material that
I direct. And part of that was he really admired
Martin Brest. He's talked about it a lot, and he
saw what he was what was done to him, and
he said, you know, as an actor, I couldn't do
anything and I can't do anything with how my performance

(01:49:42):
has changed or how the movie around me has changed.
And I think that's something that people should always remember
too when thinking about somebody's performance, is at the end
of the day, the takes that are selected and the
direction that was given on the day, those were not
up to that actor. You know, so much is out,
you know, beyond the actor's control. And like I've had,
you know, on set, hat actors question, you know, hey,

(01:50:03):
what do you you know? Are you sure about this?
And is this going to fit in with the broader story?
And I said, shut up, shut up to reference to
Michael Baylay video. But no, it's it's a leap of
faith that actors have to do interesting that the people
around them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
We just talked about show Girls. Elizabeth Berkeley's performance is
so wild, but you know, for Hoven wanted and Paul
for Hooven said, like I asked for that, it's my fault. Like,
if you're gonna blame somebody, blame me, you know nobody does.
This is sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
I guess we can then Julie on this. I'm I'm
pretty sure Ben Affleck thanked Martin Brest in the when
Argo won the Academy Award.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Oh that's all really, Oh that is nice, I think
so yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure you played that clip when
we were doing very Sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Well, thank you guys so much for coming on our
show and talking about what went wrong on all these
movies those fabulous wrong that's the real lesson, everything goes wrong. Well,
where can they find your podcast? Where can they find
you guys? Anything else you want to plug?

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Lidy, No, you can find our podcast really anywhere you
listen to podcasts. Give us a follow. You can find
us on Instagram at What Went Wrong Pod? Chris What
One Wrong Podcast Wrong Pod? Ye at What Went Wrong Pod?
You can follow us there. We post, we post little
reels so you can see snippets of these, and we
also have our first live show coming up on October eighth,

(01:51:32):
so you can also buy a ticket to that. We
have no idea what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
In New York, to be clear. In New York.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Yeah, yeah, cool, it'll be Who's what's the venue? The
caveat Manhattan. It is a small theater just inside Manhattan
by the Brooklyn Bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
So cool. Come check us out us amazing, Well, thank
you guys so much. This is great, Thank you all
for having us. Oh my gosh, it was great talking
to our new friends Chris and Lidsey the things that

(01:52:14):
went wrong in the movies. Check out What Went Wrong Podcast.
We'll be on there talking about fitzgeraldo Ah, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
It was fun. It's fun to think about these types
of movies and the way that they think about them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Right, Yeah, I find it inspiring to as a filmmaker. Yes,
two just think how things really do go wrong on
every movie, and so I don't feel as bad when
things went wrong on my movies. Yeah, and of course
or any creative pursuit. Really like this podcast, things have

(01:52:52):
gone wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
I would say every episode, and I would say, it's
my fun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Things have gone really wrong every It's been a disaster
every episode, and yet one gets published every week. So uh, really,
it's time for employees Picks, where we recommend a movie
kind of based on the theme of what we talked
about us this episode. And there's a lot of different directions.

(01:53:20):
Let a demon stuff, you know, we could cover uh
K pop pop artists, you know. Uh, but do you
have a do you have a staff wreck employees Picks?

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
I do, in fact, and I'm and I have to
I have to put this out there. I have not
actually seen it, so I would recommend it for both
myself and everybody else to watch together. Perhaps, So I
was thinking about, you know, what branch off this tree
we could climb onto, you know, and what I saw

(01:53:54):
K Pop Demon Hunters like For the first like five
ten minutes, I was making all these like actions in
my head. I was like, Oh, this feels very Powerpuff Girls.
It also feels very much like an animated series that
I enjoyed so much when I was a child that
was called Gem it was made in like nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
This was And the Holograms.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
You're talking about, Oh and the Holograms. Yeah, this show
was formative for me. I was obsessed with it. I
used to get into fights about it in my elementary school.
I made a girl miss the bus because she was
crying so hard that because I was like, we had

(01:54:41):
to like say, hey, what Gem in the Holograms character
are you going to be today? And I insisted that
I was Kimber that day, and she wanted to be
Kimber and I told her. I told her no, I said, no,
you can't be Kimber because I'm Kimber today. And she
cried so hard that she missed the bus and my
mom had a driver to school and yelled at me
when I got home. So this is the reason why

(01:55:03):
it reminds me of Jem a little bit, is because,
like K pop Demon Hunters, the lead singer of Gem
and the Holograms, Gem has this double identity. She's Jerika Benton,
who is like, you know, a rich, a rich lady
that owns an orphanage at a record label. But it's
kind of that whole like she has a secret and

(01:55:26):
she's kind of going back and forth between her two identities,
which feels very much like K pop Demon Hunters. Right,
So I won't suggest the show because it's a cartoon
from the eighties. I will suggest that we all watch
the twenty fifteen film, which I believe is live action,
called Gem and the Holograms, and it was directed by

(01:55:49):
John m Chu who, by the way, has made some
of the most famous movies of all time. At this point,
I knew John m Cho because he made the Step
Up movies, made a couple of step Up, Step Up
Move but he directed wicked, crazy Rich Asians. I mean,
he is poppin' at this point. Yeah, but yeah, So

(01:56:09):
I don't think Gem in the Holograms from twenty fifteen
was warmly received by audiences or critics, but hey, who knows,
who knows? Maybe we should watch it together. It's fun
see and see what's up. So sure, that's my wreck.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Cool. So my mom was on this episode if you remember,
at the top of the show. And also it was
just Labor Day, and so I'm recommending my mom's favorite movie.
She takes place Labor Day weekend. It's called Picnic from
nineteen fifty five. That's your mom's favorite. That's my mom's

(01:56:49):
favorite movie of all time?

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Is?

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Is that why she Her area of expertise is older
actors that should not have their shirts off? Because I
feel like William Holden has a shirt off in that
entire movie.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Yeah, and William Holden is supposed to play like a
twenty five year old and he looks conservatively fifty two
years old in that movie. And I believe Kim Novak
is actually like a teenager while making it, so I
will say that the you know, the age differences is noticeable. Yes,

(01:57:23):
But it's a steamy, sexy movie and it takes place
at a labor day carnival in a small town in Kansas,
I believe. And it's just a really good melodrama and
it looks great and uh yeah, that's a picnic.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Oh wow, your mom is awesome, dude, your mom is
so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
I feel like she should host this podcast with you
instead of me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Kick you out right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Is there a mother and son podcast out there that
would be okay, a mother and son phil podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
That would be cute?

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Yeah, so cute?

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
I don't. Yeah. Well, let's let's offline. I we'll discuss more.
Thank you to my mom for coming on the show.
Thank you to Chris and Lizzy for coming on the show.
Thank you to Millie for guiding us through the K
pop jungle, and and thank.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
You to Casey for not stopping midway and being like
this sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
I'm sorry, this sucks. No, I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Well, on that note, if you and I only mean,
if you want to email us for pretty much any
reason at all, you can email us at Deer Rubies
at exactlyrightmedia dot com. Usually we do stuff like film advice,

(01:58:55):
We do film gripes, consensual film gropes, film regrets. If
you have any of those things, or if you want
to talk about anything that we talked about today on
our episode, you can email us and here's the t
If you want to, you could leave us a voicemail too.
All you have to do is record it on your phone,

(01:59:15):
make sure it's under a minute, and email it too
to your movies at exactly rightmedia dot come.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Yeah. Recently Million and I were complaining about how much
we hate ourselves and how much we suck and wish
we had different voices, personalities, hair, you know, all sorts
of things, and we got a lot of nice compliments
from people that really guessed us up, and it felt great.
So if you want to send any more of those
to the email Phil, we.

Speaker 1 (01:59:41):
Are asking you for compliments. We were asking for you
to call us hot and attractive.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Wasn't it nice? Though? Million It made me feel really good.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
I was like, cool, maybe I won't be alone forever.
I'll just sure make our fans date us and follow
in love with.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
Yeah, I mean yeah, the pop artists do have maybe
the right idea. We need to change our relationship with
our listeners. We need to like have fans.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
So, my god, Casey, you would be so good at
fans service. You'd be like, hi, baby, I love you, fingerheart. Yes,
you're my wife, You're my darling. Oh my god, you'd
be so good.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
It's sickening. It's sickening Jesus. So if you are, like
we said earlier, a shithead and fault when unlike our show,
follow us on our socials at Deer Movies, I Love you,
on Instagram and Facebook. Our letterbox handles are Casey le
O'Brien and at M de Jericho. I've been getting a

(02:00:44):
lot of letterbox followers like, oh, I wonder if it's
because of the show. I like when people follow me.
I like when people leave little comments on my little
reviews on letterbox makes me happy. So listen to Deer Movies,
I Love You on the iHeartRadio app, app podcasts or
wherever you get your podcasts, and hey, rate and review
our show positively preferred. If you hear this or like

(02:01:07):
I should go rate and review the show and then
leave a negative review. I don't understand you as a person,
but you know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
I don't even want the word negative reviews in the
conversation whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
I shouldn't have even brought it into this spo. Don't
invoke it. Really, I shouldn't evoked. I should get my
mom to come back and to bless the podcast again.
Really huge episode. Our next episode is one I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Oh me too. This is one of my favorite movies
and I'm glad that we're going to talk about it.
We're going to talk about a movie that was directed
by a Filipino director named Aleno Broco, and it's a
movie from nineteen seventy five called Manila in the Clause
of Lights, and it's a little intense. It's on Criterion Channel.

(02:01:54):
If anybody wants to watch it, but it's uh, yeah,
I think it's a really interesting movie. I like to
talk about Leno Brooke as a directory because we don't
really talk much about Filipino cinema really and no.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
I'm I'm really excited to talk about this movie. I mean,
I have a very deep connection to people who are Filipino.
You are Filipino. Yes, my wife is Filipino, that's right,
and my my daughter is Filipino.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
That's so.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
I'm really and I don't feel like Filipino cinema gets
there's not much conversation around that's right. And so I'm
I'm I'm really excited to dive into this movie. I've
never seen this, I've never seen anything by him, so
I'm thrilled. I'm really I think this is great.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, well again, great week. Thanks to
everybody who's listened, who has been blessed by Casey's mom,
go forth for free, Yes, go forth in the world,
knowing that the animal doll will not haunt you in
any way, and we'll see you next week. Alrighty bye,
bye bye. This has been an exactly right production hosted

(02:03:08):
by me Milli to Cherico and produced by my co
host Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfocal. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Goodbye, Beker

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