Mockumentaries & Waiting for Guffman (1996) featuring Arden Myrin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Casey, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hi, Millie. I'm doing good. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really?

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Good?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Things?

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Lots lots of stuff happening. The Atlanta Film Festival is
happening this week, yes, and I'm doing a couple events
for it, so and I've thrilling. Yeah, just a lot
a lot of film stuff happening. The spring is a
big time for it always has been actually for me
for like film festivals, because I used to do the
TCM Film Festival in La every year.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes, famously, the only time we've ever seen each other
in person was at the TCM Film Felt. Oh yeah,
that's right, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well I'm not going this year because I just got
back from Japan and I just was like not wanting
to go on another trip because you know how it is.
Although I'm sure it's great and everyone's having a blast.
But the Atlanta Film Festival is happening, and that's exciting
because it's over the course, it's like longer. I think
it's actually a couple of weeks. Have you ever like,

(00:58):
have you do? You got a lot of film?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You know? I feel like I should I've been. The
Minneapolis Saint Paul Film Festival is to like just this
past week, and I just didn't go, and I wish
I had because it looked like really cool and really
fun and I'd love to have a film play there sometime.
But no, I can't say I have been doing that
a lot lately. I've been to Fantastic Fest a few times,

(01:22):
which is the Alamo draft House Film Festival. I have
kind of an insane sun Dance Film Festival story that
maybe I'll tell on the podcast sometime, oh sure, but
which has like very little to do at the film
festival and just the journey of getting there. But I haven't.
I wish they're so exciting film festivals. Yeah, you know, yeah,

(01:44):
I'd gone to more.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
The TCM festival is small. It's over the course of
a weekend. But then if you go to like some
of the bigger film festivals like I went, you know,
I went to Toronto one year and that's like again,
over the course of two weeks. I think Fantastic Fest
is like two weeks. I for some reason, I think
I like the smaller ones. They just seem a little
bit more manageable.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Because if I go to it can be overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, because if I go to a longer film festival,
I start kind of getting lonely. I don't know if
that's a weird thing to say, but I'm like interesting,
I'm just like always in the movies alone and I'm
just like, man, I've been here for like two weeks,
so I'm like just going and hanging out with myself
all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Know, I just I thinking more good.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Maybe you can like if the smaller ones you can
kind of like see the same people and it feels
more like, oh, we're like a group together, but like,
you know, the bigger ones, it's like a larger university.
You just kind of get lost in the mob.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, I think so. And then there's also like people
like coming in and out of it like at different times,
so you can't really connect. Like you have to just
like make sure that you're there when other people are there,
which may not even happen. But that's what I loved
about Tcmfest is that it was like everybody had to
be there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and it was great.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So anyway, very cool. Well, we got a lot going
on with this episode too. Do you want to tell
the people what we're discussing.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going to talk about mockumentaries.
Ooh yes, and I think you know an obvious big
player in the mockumentary world as Christopher Guest, who you
know is probably like the first person most people think
of when they think about mockumentaries fake documentaries. Right, So
we're gonna talk about Waiting for Guffman, which is I

(03:33):
feel like his big breakout like that kind of really
like set the table for the rest of his career
in terms of.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Making these types of movies. Right, totally, totally, We'll get
into all of that. Very exciting. I'm also very excited
because we have a wonderful guest today, the amazing Arden Marine,
who is on the most recent season of The Righteous Gemstones,
but she was also on at mad TV show Insatiable.

(04:01):
She's got a great bachelor podcast on the iHeart Network,
a fellow iHeart Network podcast called Will You Accept This Rose,
and she's coming on to talk about Dirty Dan, saying
a fave. Oh, I would say, what a loved film.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
You have completely understated that, you know, I don't even
think you know me well enough to know my history,
my love, my this this movie changed my life to
be cool.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, I feel like there have been illusions. There have
been illusions. I'm not totally surprised by this, so I'm
excited to get into it with Arden. I think that'll
be a fun convo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And if it's just her and I talking and you
have to leave, that's.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Cool that I that I would like to stay and
listen even if I'm not talking. If that's possible, you.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Can put the baby down for a nap, Well, we'll
just be talking about the minuscule details of this movie
that we love. Well, listen, stay tuned, everybody, you are
listening to Deer Movies.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
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to know you love me to check the books.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
That's right, everybody, Welcome to Deer Movies.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I Love you. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm
Casey O'Brien, and this is.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
A film podcast about loving film and being obsessed with
film and you know, really just wanted to cuddle with
film all night. Maybe having cuddling be the best part
of the relationship merely.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I don't know why this just popped into my head,
but what's your favorite breakfast meat? Meat? Breakfast meat yes.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm not trying to be obscure here right off the bat,
but it's this is something that I absolutely love and
I don't get to have it super often unfortunately, unless
I either buy it at a specialty food store. But
have you ever had a Filipino like the breakfast sausage Longanisa?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I have, Yes, I mean delish, the best, probably the best,
most favorite of the breakfast meats for me, what about you.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Grows great with rice and eggs. Well, the reason I
asked this is that I was eating spam this morning.
What speaking of Filipino, I thought this might be my favorite,
my favorite breakfast meat and so huge a huge declaration
for me to make. It was previously bacon, and now

(06:40):
it's spam. I think it's taken it over.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So but okay, let me okay, let me, let me
go back. So spam is not just breakfast.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Meat, right? Correct?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Do you only eat it as breakfast? Is?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I guess maybe? My Generally I would say only eat
it as breakfast, yes, but I will eat it for
lunch and dinner too, But how I feel like predominantly
I have it with breakfast.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Have you or Tricia ever made like spam?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Masubi. Yes, we have absolutely that is that's that's so good,
best dude, Like it's so good. Spam is delicious, and
it's from Minnesota. It is it is Austin Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
I should know the history of spam because you know,
everybody knows, as everybody knows, Filipinos and Hawaiians love spam.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
They do. And I'm married to the phone women of
Filipino descent.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yes, exactly. So what did you eat spam before you
met her?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yes? I did, okay, but I feel like it really
came into focus when Tricia and I started dating in
a big way.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So my favorite thing is when you I love to
make spam masubi, which is basically like it's kind of
like you know one ghiri, which is the rice ball?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, like it's it's ace. You have a plastic toy
keychain version of.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yes, remember if you if you listen to our or
tuned into our Instagram alive, I showed off some of
the wares that I got from Japan, and one of
them was bought a bunch of fake food and one
of them is a keychain that's a one gary or
a rice ball with a little piece of seaweed. Wrapped
around it. But my favorite part is when you make spam.
So it's basically like.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Putting a spam on the rice.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Ball, right, And usually you have you can you can
get molds of it, you know, and I won't tell
you where.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Probably get it on.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
A giant online retailer if you really want one. I
get them because I think they're cool. But basically they
make the little molds for it where you just like
form and then and like the spam slice fits perfectly
in there. But then what you do is you put
it on the pan and you grill it so it
kind of caramelizes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh my god, it's great, a.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Little caramelized spam slice on top of it.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
So wondrous meat. And I'm I'm just tired of being
embarrassed about my love for it, and so's it's creeped
up to number one for me on my breakfast meat chain.
But we got to get into our film diary. And
this is the diary with which we write our most

(09:19):
intimate desires and also talk about the movies we've watched
most recently. And Millie, what have you been watching?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I watched a shit ton of movie this week.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Oh wow, let's hear it.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I did so. I watched three movies by the director
Alan Rudolph, which if you've been following my social media realized,
I just recently did an event with him in Atlanta.
He is an incredible director and completely underrated in like

(09:56):
and just like. I mean, he worked most famously with
Robert Alton, and he was like the ad On like
The Long Goodbye and Nashville. He worked on California Split.
I mean, he just had when we did the Q
and A together here Atlanta, he had so many Robert
Altman stories.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
But he's just like that. Like Robert Altman himself is
an incredible director and like also but also kind of like,
I still think Robert Altman is underrated, even though he's
kind of not underrated. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, well, I think Alan Rudolph and Robert Altman kind
of make I won't say similar movies, but they're very
human movies. And they aren't big and explosive, like laugh
out loud comedies necessarily. They're just these like beautiful human

(10:49):
I think they would be more to be more respected
if they were from like France or something, you know
what I mean, Like I feel like they're just so
there's just such elegant, wonderful films, and maybe those kind
of movies don't, you know, grab the attention of mainstream
film goers as much. But yeah, just I totally agree

(11:11):
with you that Robert Altman, even though he's like so lauded,
is also underrated.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, and I think that's really what it is is
that it just feels like I don't understand why these
directors are still kind of seen in a lot of
ways as like indie directors, because their movies, I feel like,
are so good and not like super weird esoteric in
that way. They're not like genre movies. They're basically like

(11:41):
American films with like pretty famous actors, and but yet
I don't know their narrative structure is maybe like what
not like Jurassic Park or something, and that's why.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
People don't watch them. I don't get it. I don't
get it. Well, like even like I feel like this
is maybe not comparable, but someone like Noah bomb Bock
is making sort of these types of movies. Not they're
not similar movies, but they are just more like human movies.
I don't know, I can't think of a better way
to describe them. But like, I think he's a thought

(12:13):
of more now than like someone like Alan Rudolph, who
Alan Rudolph's movies were so hard to find for the longest,
like that's the time.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So yeah, I think that's that's a huge part of it,
and that's I mean, that's something that we certainly talked about.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I think.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But after after hanging out with him and his wife
here in Atlanta, his wife, Joyce, who was a on
set photographer still photographer, did you realize that his wife
shot the cover of the first Nightmare on Elm Street film.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I had no idea. That's so wild until you posted it. Yeah,
so crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
She was also she also shot photography for the first
Terminator movie, and she's like she's been working, like she's
worked on so many movie sets and has shot so
much onset photography. She's like a legend in her own right.
And they're the best people, like truly the best people.
But I I just had such a blast with them,
and it made me realize, like, oh my god, like

(13:08):
he's one of my favorite directors, like and he's so
I feel like he's so underrated. I feel like the
whole reason why he might be underrated, at least for
a lot of like film people, even is because of access.
It was they just released Choose Me, his movie Choose
Me on Criterion Collection. But beyond that, I mean, that's
like the first one that's made it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And so I watched.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Three of his films kind of to prep to prep
for the weekend that we spent together.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Amazing. We will be doing an Alan and Rudolph episode
in the near near future, so we're gonna go ham
on this subject even more so in a couple episodes.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Right, But just for you know, film diary purposes, for
you know, for record keeping purposes, very important. This week,
I watched Remember My Name from nineteen seventy eight, which
I've talked about on I saw she did.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's one of my favorite movies all the time.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I watched Choose Me nineteen eighty four, like I just mentioned,
and then I watched Trouble in Mind from nineteen eighty five,
starring Chris Christofferson and who I thought for a long
time was Daryl Hannah, but it isn't. It's Lori Singer,
which is embarrassing but true. And they're great soup.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I could see how you would get those two confused.
I mean looking in that they look incredibly similar.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
She's got blonde hair in the thing, like she's like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Mean honestly, am I wrong? Am I wrong? H Oh,
You're not wrong. I also I watched those three films.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Then I watched this movie because I was watching our
movie for the episode Waiting for Gunman, and it kind
of rolled into another movie which I've talked about before,
Party Girl from nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh my god, I love Party Girl so much.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's I just realized it is such I think it's
a comfort film for me.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I have to say, it's interesting. This is not really
connective at all. But like when I first saw it
Choose Me and Party Girl, the streaming version of both
those movies was so bad for so long. Yeah, and
I believe Party Girl has had a revamped version that's
out there now, and then so has Choose Me. So

(15:28):
this is fabulous. These movies are getting like appreciated.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, and fun City additions.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Did the Party Girl DVD by the way, very good?
Very good? But yeah, party Girl from nineteen ninety five
was that Parker Posi's kind of breakout film.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
It was Yep, it definitely was, and it's just it's
a comfort film for me. I like no every line.
I love the era. It's the era that I grew
up in, and I just.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
There's not too much conflict in that movie either. It's
just kind of like fun well, and it's it.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Was, you know, based on the I mean, the infrastructure
of it is a screwball comedy.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And it's because the director of Party Girl, Daisy von
Schuler Mayor, that's right, she her.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think her father was like used to write screwball
comedies or her grandfather did, and so she's got it
in the blood. And I guess she made that kind
of an updated version.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Anyway. I love Party Girl. It was easy watch.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
And then the final movie that I saw this week,
which is quite a topic right now. I don't know
if you've heard about any of this, but I saw
the Minecraft movie.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Oh really, there's a movie theater a few blocks from
my house and it's playing the Minecraft movie. And the
flocks of tweens that are just in these streets going
to that movie, I heard it was actually better than
I heard positive things about Minecraft. Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Number one, it made me realize that Jack Black still
fucking funny and like, I will laugh at his stupid
ass all the time.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
He's a hero.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
He's great. Like, even him just doing his Jack Black
thing is funny to me. And I don't care what
property it's in, I don't care what IP it's in.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's just him. There's something about him too that he
kind of has like punk roots. I feel like he
comes from very alternative comedy roots. So even if he's
in like the most mainstream movie like the Minecraft movie
for example, it's kind of like, oh, we got one
of our own in there. It kind of feels that
way a little, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
And it's like everything that he does is kind of
like a variation on like Tenacious D or whatever. Or
maybe it was just what I was thinking when I
watched the Minecraft he was like, I love it. I
fucking love Tenacious D. So I will also say this
before I say this. Uh, I was a huge Minecraft player.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Did you know that? Whoa millie? You are so full
of surprise? You really just that's so incredible. I love this.
So I discovered new things about you all the time.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Okay, I'm glad that I can keep you guessing, because
that's what keeps the relationship fresh.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
So when when I was during during the pandemic, when
I was living essentially living in my parents' guest room
for like nine months right after I left LA. After
my escape from LA, Yeah, I was hanging out with
my nephews and I just started kind of showing them Minecraft.

(18:26):
And I wasn't before then. I knew what Minecraft was
because actually some other friend of mine's kid told me
about Minecraft a long time ago, and then I kind
of forgot about it. And then I was like, oh,
we should play Minecraft together. So I just like downloaded
it on my computer and then we got completely obsessed.
And when I tell you obsessed, it's that I was
literally on my own, by the way, not without I

(18:47):
was without children. I don't have children, and I was
not even around my nephews when this was happening. But
I was watching other people, grown men play Minecraft, like
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Wow, the pandemic was a dark time for us.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
All I think, Well, I got into Animal Crossing and
Minecraft during the that was my love it my big
video gamer days.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you know, I have never, for something, I've never
been able to get into video games, and I've tried.
I just it's just it's not there for me, But
I'm excited. I love that you have a history with this.
You had a you know, a language with which to
go into the Minecraft movie. Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I was like when I watched the I was like,
my I went with my friend Vanessa and her child,
who is probably like six five or six, and I
don't think he's played Minecraft yet. And like when the
Enderman come on, I was like screaming, oh my god,
it's Enderman and he was like what. And I'm like,
I was like, well, come on, kid, you gotta get in.

(19:52):
You got to get in and know all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
That's the one thing that I want to say. And
I don't want to make this film diary super long,
but I am so if. I don't know if you've
been on TikTok or have you seen the screenings of
Minecraft movie.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
No I haven't.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
People are going insane, like you've not seen the trashed
movie theaters like after the Minecraft movies, Like.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
People are growing food.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
There's there's one TikTok that I saw where somebody brought
a live chicken to this shit. I mean it's unprecedented.
I feel like it's unprecedented. Here's the thing. I'm gonna
say this right now, because A I had to be
knowing what I know. I was like, I'll be goddamned
if i go to my local multiplex, the one that

(20:42):
I've always had problems in.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I was like, people are gonna get you. Some sort
of live poultry is going to show up in that theater.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I was like, there's no fucking way I'm going to
that one. So we went to another one in the chain,
let's just say that. But it was in a much
like nicer location. It's in like a nicer neighborhood. There's
like rich people around. It's in a rich people's mall.
So I was like, okay, so they're not gonna, you know,
kill animals or what.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
They're not killing animals, but they're not you know, it's
not gonna be as chaotic. And it wasn't as chaotic,
thank god, because I was like, I don't want any
food or drinks thrown at me.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I don't want any of it. Firecrackers, yeah, no firecrackers.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
But I will say that it is like I think
it's user engineered. I think that all these people are
going to the screening is now knowing that they get
they got to create a little chaos because there were
people like filming the entire thing screaming.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, it's become the room. It's basically the room. Yeah.
It kind of reminds me of like when people started
wearing pink to Barbie a couple of years ago, and
then it was like everybody, it's like now, we gotta now.
It's it's like a snowball effect here. It sounds like and.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Listen, I've never been a fan of participatory movie shit
like that. Like it's one thing if something gets accidentally rowdy,
but it is a whole other thing when it's like
people come to the theater knowing that they're gonna like
act up and do their improv routines and fucking film things.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I was so annoyed.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I was so fucking annoyed because it was just basically
like all these like I don't know, people in their
twenties that were like, you know, yeah, there's like Rocky horror,
and I'm just like, fuck you, dude, Like there's like
little kids here, like yeah, chill the fuck out, Okay,
Like it's one pm on a Sunday, by the way,

(22:31):
you don't need to create your fucking jovial disturbances right now,
like totally go to the midnight.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Show, assholes.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I was so annoyed, and it made me realize, like, man,
I can't stan shit like this. I'm just I just can't.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I can't do it. Sorry, I hear you, I hear I.
Like it's a sacred space. And I feel like when
you start going to Alamo draft houses where there's like
a protocol for like if someone's talking, you can tattle
on them and have them shipped out of the movie theater,
it's hard to go back to the regular movie theaters
after that without that security blanket. Well, it's like at.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Least the draft house is rowdy screenings where they're telling
you this is a rowdy screening. You can opt in
if you want to. Because I saw a rowdy screening
of Cats.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did too, I saw I've been to I went
to two rowdy screenings of Cats.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
But it's like you have the expectation of going in
if you know what's going on, and then they have
other screenings of the movie that are not rowdy, and
you can just go and be silent and a law
biting movie. Citizen yeah, I just I can't. I can't
get behind it. Have fun, I guess, but not for me.
I'm not coming to this shit.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It feels like a film grape. Probably anyway that's actually
evolved into a film grape, which is you know that's
not on this show anyway. That's my long winded film diary.
I love it. I love it. Now I have kind
of uninteresting film diary. I have two movies here, Okay.

(24:00):
I watched Wonkar Wise twenty forty six. I'd never seen
it on two thousand and four, which you think. I
watched this because I bought the box set with money
that you and Danielle gave me for like my birthday
on the Criterion collection, and I bought the and I
never watched twenty forty six. And then my dang Blu
ray disc didn't work. Oh that specific one.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I've heard that actually with some of the walcar Wi
box sets.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Really yeah, okay, I need to report this. I think
when they.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
First came out, they were kind of Walston.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Right interesting, Wonky Wonkar Wonky Uh yeah, I uh so.
But I got to watch it and it was amazing,
and I'm such a dumb ass. I was like Wow,
this character is very similar to the one in the
Mood for Love. And then it was like, this is
a sequel to in the Mood for Love and I
was like, I'm so stupid. I didn't know that. And
I was like, Oh, this doesn't all take place in

(24:52):
the future. I really thought this all took place in
the future.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But what was it twenty forty six gave it away?

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah. So anyways, obviously beautiful film. And then I watched
Kyle Mooney's move directorial debut. I believe y two K.
It was an AH twenty four film that came out
like last.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Year I remember, and it's uh came.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Out, Yeah, came out in twenty twenty four. It's about
one y two K and all the robots start attacking
people and it's really funny. It kind of reminded me
of it is it puppet Master with the little creatures
that like come after It kind of has like that
vibe or like a Goolies vibe with like little but
they're robots, you know, like little eh. And it's incredibly violent.

(25:35):
It's so insanely violent in a fun way, and it's
kind of nostalgic for that time you know I was
a teen around then, and uh, it was fun to
revisit the limbiscuits and uh the AOL instant messengers when
what have you? So are you nervous about Y two? K?
Get real? My mom had some uh we had some

(25:59):
non perishable food items and water prepared in case something happened.
But I didn't really think about it too much. I
wasn't too worried. I think my mom was mildly worried.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
You didn't take out all your cash and put it
in a mattress.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
No, I didn't take out my fourteen dollars and put
it somewhere so those times. But yeah, so that is
my food diary and we can close gently close the
book on that one. All right, everybody, we are back

(26:47):
for our main discussion topic today, which is mockumentaries and
waiting for Guffman. Millie, I think, did you come up
with the idea for this episode? I don't remember. I
feel like I don't know. But what's your opinion about
monumentaries and is why is it such a fertile ground

(27:10):
to discuss?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, it's a fertile ground because obviously it's a kind
of I mean, it's basically like a genre, but it's
really more of like a narrative structure, right, So it's like,
you know, essentially it's become a genre, I think at
this point because there's been so many especially now when
you add all of the TV that we experience that

(27:34):
is in this style, which we'll get to i'm sure
in a second, but I have to say I feel
like over the years, I think entertainment has sort of
leaned on this style a little bit more generally, I
feel like advertising has leaned on this style. Like I
feel like every commercial is a fake documentary.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Now that's interesting. I hadn't even thought about, but you're
so and I think I know what it is.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I won't say it yet because again, we'll get to it,
i'm sure, but I feel like now that I've seen
kind of like a full trajectory of what this whatever
convention narrative convention slash genre is, I feel like there
are certainly bad ones and there's good ones. Like I
feel like, now to get it right, to make it

(28:27):
really funny and interesting, because it has to be interesting
because you have to basically you have to basically be sad.
It has to be satire, right, and whatever you're satirizing
has to be interesting enough, or you have to get
the joke enough. I guess that's maybe what it is, right.

(28:47):
You have to make the right references, you have to
make the right jokes in order for it to like
really hit. And I feel like that's gotten real sloppy.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And so because of that, I go back and I
see some of these more classic ones and I'm like, oh, yeah,
these are fucking great. They're not all great, they're not
all funny, but some of them are like really really good.
And I feel like it depends on who's doing it.
I just feel like it's now become it's not just
like this, Oh, everything is gonna be funny. I'm very

(29:20):
particular about mockumentaries now, if.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
You know me, it is interesting. It has totally taken
over the sitcom space on television, Like even once, it's
so widespread. There are ones I'm like, oh, I forgot
that that's technically a mockumentary. You know, It's like it's
almost become the go to. It's like as common as
like a three camera sitcom type of thing, like Abbott

(29:47):
Elementary that's a mockumentary. You know, there's a hospital one
that just came out, Saint Dennis Medical just came out
like this year, and that's like a mockumentary. And I
do think think the sloppiness comes from a lot of
the same type of joke, you know. I think the
Jim Helper from The Office joke of him kind of

(30:10):
looking at the camera like I don't know, like that
joke is done over and over and over again in
these documentaries where it's gotten kind of slappy.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Listen, that's I think. I think you've just burst the
bubble of what I wanted to talk about, which is
the Office. I feel like the Office is for me,
the thing that changed it. I think that's the Office
is what made the proliferation happen in everything else in
TV and film and in advertising especially, And I'm just like,

(30:42):
I feel like that's when it started getting bad, like
really bad. Not to say that there weren't bad documentaries before,
but like now it's like everything's like this, And the
problem is is when you go back and you watch
something that's actually genius, like Waiting for Guffman or like,
I mean, any of these mackamataries. I just want to

(31:02):
list a couple of my favorites. If you don't want,
if you don't mind, so well, I have to say this.
I won't say it's necessarily a fave, but it was
for me, like one of the very first that I've
ever seen, which is David Holsman's Diary from nineteen sixty seven.
To me, that was one of the very first kind
of I don't know, like I don't know if you

(31:23):
call it like metacinema or whatever, but it was basically
like kind of a fake documentary, kind of a slog
I watched it.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's kind of boring, yeah, kind.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Of boring, but I will I just have to say
it because it's it's very influential. But you know, some
of my favorites are I mean, obviously you've got this
spinal tap, you know, the whole, I guess, the whole
Christopher Guest philosophy. Really, I'm just saying all that generally
because I know we're going to talk about it more.
The movie Smile, which got remade into Drop Dead Gorgeous.

(31:54):
The Michael Richie movie Smile fantastically not seen. I've seen
Drop Dead Gorgeous off, but you gotta see Smile. It's
it's amazing. One of my favorites. I also love the
whole I kind of I don't know why I categorized
these together, but the Robert Altman Gary Trudeau series Tanner

(32:17):
eighty eight, which was Michael Murphy playing Tanner basically, and
then Like the Bo and Bob Roberts, which was directed
by Tim Robbins. I don't know if those came out
around the same time, but they're both basically like political mockumentaries.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, I love Albert Brooks's Real Life.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's a great I haven't seen that. That's a great
one that just came out in Criterion. I think, yes,
Criterion very easy to watch. And then I got to
be honest my favorites. So there's actually two that I
love that I grew up with. There was Rusty Kunduff's
Fear of a Black Hat, which I think came out
in nineteen ninety four or nineteenny three, and then there

(33:01):
was of course c Before with Chris Rock and they
were both like mockumentaries.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
About gangster wrap like NWA, but it was very like
referential to like the whole scene. I thought they were
fucking hilarious when I saw those, Like to this day,
I still quote like straight out of low Cash, a
crazy motherfucker named Gusto from CB four. I mean it's
like I loved those those fake kind of band documentaries.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah those did you ever see pop Star Never Stop,
Never Stopping?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yes? Are you talking about the Lonely Island Guys?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yes, I thought that was a very I love that.
That was like a very funny pseudo mockumentary. Well, and
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is that those guys do it really well, like because
they did those what is it the one about the
tennis player.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Seven Days in Hell?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Like, I gotta say, so, the Lonely Island guys do
it really well. And then I think personally that documentary
now love documentary now so good so and that's actually
even more meta if you think about it, because it's
basically like redoing, like doing fake homages to documentaries.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
The quality of that show is so high that I
have seen the mockumentary version on that and then been like, oh,
I should watch the real version because this seems interesting,
Like that's how good they are?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
You know, So like Bill Hayter play like doing the
fake Gray Gardens, Yes, incredible, He's like a national treasure
in that in that alone.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
It just him being.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
That character of the little eaedy character but fake national
treasure as far as I'm concerned, so well, and like, okay,
so remind me of the timing on this, because I'm
actually not sure. So I feel like, like like right
before the Office was arrested development, yes, which I loved

(35:01):
arrested Development, and I felt like, like the Office, and
I'm talking about the US Office because as we know,
the UK Office and the and the US Office are
two completely different juggernauts. Maybe one's a juggernaut and the
other one isn't as much the cool one. Maybe I'm

(35:22):
just talking about the Office. Sorry, I'm gonna get a
lot of hate mail because every all the Office so.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Much, so many I have heard so many people complain
about Tinder and Bumble and dating websites that so many
people have The Office as their favorite show or like
quotes of the Office. It is. It has become this
sort of signal of blandness, you know. And so I
don't think you're you're out of school talking shit about

(35:49):
the American Office. Well, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
There's so many, like.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
There's just so.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I personally, I don't know why I can't understand how
it became so popular.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Does that you liked it when it came out, but
I did stop watching it.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
But to the point where you can go to like
the drug store and get like Office pair, Like you
can go and get like a mug that has a
fucking Office quote on it at like Walgreens. Like it's
not even like you don't even need to go to
Spencer's Gifts you have to. You can just go down
to CBS and get something.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
It is sort of like our national show.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I yes, and like I've because I work in entertainment
and digital entertainment and TV like the everyone makes Everyone
talks about The Office being like the show that if
you have it on your streaming channel, like you'll be
successful because just people just watch it constantly and there's like, no,

(36:50):
it's like full proof money making syndicated shit. Like they're
just like, oh, everyone's gonna love The Office and watch
every episode all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
They're not even gonna think about it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
And it's just fascinating to me that that show became
as popular as it did because there's just other people
kind of doing these things that I like. I said,
I think that I like better. So even around the
same time period. I mean I loved the rest of development.
You know Chris Lily, he's Australian.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, I love him, love him too.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Those shows are so fucking funny to me, Like anything
that he does, you know, you have to like look
it up to a lot of them are on Max,
HBO Max, Like Summer Heights High.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
I think it's on Max. And yes, and I mean
he he is a bit controversial because he has done
like black and brown face before and some of his
stuff so like and he hasn't really apologized for that stuff.
But his like Summer Heights High, Jamie Private Skill Gale
stuff is like so fucking funny and he's like and

(37:49):
that is sort of yeah, like fake do mockumentary type stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
There's other things that, like other films if we're gonna
get away from TV, Like there's other Montcoinery films that
were big like that I didn't see which was the
one the Joaquin Phoenix one I'm Still here that came
out talk about problematic. I mean that was like a
whole other thing, right, there was like drama with the
shoot and then there was also just his weirdness, like

(38:21):
nobody could understand if he was actually being legit or
if this was real.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
That was kind of like it was kind of hard
to know if it was a joke or not, and
like that was sort of an enjoyable experience I think
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I never I never saw it, but I remember
people talking about that when it came out. But there's
just like so much, so many movies now. I think again,
Like I want to say, this style of humor is
now even in like Marvel movies. It's like the humor
of a mockumentary. The device, the comedic device is now

(38:58):
everywhere in everything. It's in Marvel, it's in you know,
regular non mockumentary stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
How it became. I guess that's my point. I don't know.
I mean, like I said, here's the thing we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Technically.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Technically, this episode is about Waiting for Government, right, which
is the Christopher Guest documentary came out in nineteen ninety six.
Do you want to give a synopsis of it?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I will give a quick synopsis. This is a mockumentary, obviously.
Film takes place in the small city of Blaine, Missouri.
They are celebrating the town's Sessicas Centennial aka the one
hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the city the founding of
the city. A huge part of this celebration is centered
around an original musical, written, directed, and eventually starring Quirky

(39:47):
Saint Clair played by Christopher Guest. He's an aspiring theater
director who has come back to Blaine. I guess did
he grow up there or did he just like end
up in I think he.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I think he was like originally from there, went to
try the big city to try to make it, and
then ended up back there or something.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah. He wrote an original musical called Red White and Blaine,
which is a history of the small town. He cobbles
together a small cast of non professional actors. And this
is all kind of in the hopes because he wrote
to this Broadway producer who named mort Guffman, and he
says he's gonna come to the show to see if
he'll put this musical on Broadway. And so it's all

(40:25):
leading to this, and will Gufman come to the show
and be so moved that he wants to bring the
play to Broadway? Well, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, so here's the thing. I rewatched this again. Obviously
for the podcast, and I don't know about you. I'm
a huge fan of Christopher Guest, I think as a
person and as a filmmaker, because as a person he's
kind of like weirdly mysterious.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know if he Yes, he is. He's like
he seems like really cool and like aloof and it's
like you know him, and he was like on SNL
for a little bit, and he's like connected to all
these comedic people, but it's like he only kind of
like he's like an inactive volcano. He comes out, you
know once in a while.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah you did, Jamie Lee Curis, Yes, I he Okay,
this is gonna have the.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Terrence Malick of the comedy world.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I know, follow me if you will down this.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Road, I always will.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
He seems like the type.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Of guy.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
That you you want him to like you so bad
because he's so cool and elusive, and he's just like
really relaxed in himself, like he's just like I do
what I do and take or leave it. I don't
come around, I don't do interviews, I don't fucking I
don't got any smoke. I just show up, do my thing,

(41:55):
and then I nail it. Every time, and you're always like, God,
I want to like no him. I want him to
like me, to think I'm cool, because he's so effortlessly cool.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I think. Yeah, And it seems like he doesn't need
anyone's approval. He's like, Okay, I'm doing this, yes, Kenny.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
And he's created this like little you know, gang of
people that he works with all the time, and you're like, God,
I wish I could be in that gang.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
They seems like they're having fun. They're so smart, it's
so interesting. I wouldn't say Christopher Guest. You know, he
didn't invent the medium or the format of the mockumentary,
but I do think he created what it is today, yes,
or like what it I feel like he solidified it,

(42:41):
you know, because he is responsible for Spinal Tap. This
is Spinal Tap, which came out in nineteen eighty five.
He wrote that he didn't direct it, but he wrote
that and was in it, and then he directed these
subsequent mockumentaries, which include Waiting for Guffman, Best in Show
and A Mighty Wind And yeah, he just and it's

(43:01):
like he hasn't made a movie since two thousand and six. Yeah,
and he doesn't you know, he must just not need to.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, And it's like, I think this is my I
might be re establishing the point that I made when
we first started this conversation, is that I feel like,
in order to make a good documentary, you have to
be really really smart about human behavior and humanisms, right, Like, yeah,

(43:32):
you have to be very observant in order to be
able to get the references.

Speaker 6 (43:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Like, the reason why Best in Show is so goddamn
funny is because they've created these archetypes of these people
that would show up to a dog show, right. And
maybe you don't go to dog shows and you don't
know who the fuck these people are, but the minute
you sit in front of this movie, you're like, oh,
I know these people, Like these are the type of

(44:01):
people who would come to a dog show. Like there's
the like rich woman and her like you know, potentially
lesbian partner. You know, like they're having this like crazy
interaction and you never know where it's gonna go.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
But then you've got the like mobile.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Home couple, you know who are it's always Katherine O'Hara
and someone. She's always like playing the wife, the crazy
wife of this like maniac guy or whatever. You know,
and then you've got you know, obviously the Parker Posy
character and her husband, who are these like, yeah, totally
insane like type a personality New York people with their

(44:39):
like bespoke dog. You know, it's like, uh huh, you
don't even have to like be in the world of
the Dog Show to know that these people exist. And
the fact that it's like so you're able to really
like pinpoint, Like that's what makes Christopher Guests great is
that he gets the very subtle behaviors and mannerisms of

(45:00):
people that you're just like you automatically know the joke,
and I just feel like he is the best at it,
Like he is really really good at it. Where yeah,
some of these others that are out here in these streets,
these mockumentary streets not as good, not as good.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I think you tapped into something where it's like they're
instantly recognizable. But also we've never seen them in a
movie before, right, you know, they've never They're completely original,
but like I know that person instantaneously.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh, you know, like with Waiting for Guffman, Corky, Saint
Claire who is played by you know, Christopher Guests are.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
There are so many people who I know in my life.
I shouldn't say so many, but there are people in
my life where I was like, that's so and so,
oh I know this man.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Do you think I not know a fucking older gay guy.
I mean, I'm like, come on, we know this guy.
We know the guy that Judy Tanuda shirt, who's like.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
You know basically that When I rewatched it and I
saw the new Toasure, I was like, oh my god.
I was like this this is operating on levels I
can't even understand. I couldn't even understand before.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yes, he's like trying to put on a big show.
He creates the hometown Hollywood Memorabilia Museum with his remains
of the day lunchboxes, and like he's like, you know
this person like this in Georgia. In Atlanta, that person
owns an antiques booth and is like you know somebody

(46:33):
that like goes to the Colonnade with his friends every
Sunday night for supper.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Like oh, but but it's also a guy who is
prominent in the community, and there are allusions to a
wife or you know, there's still a closeted sense it
like yes, not out, but like very prominent in the community. Yeah,

(46:58):
he's that's sort of a like non I feel like
you find that not in the coastal elite places in
this country.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
So that's what it really is. And that's the thing
is that his characters are all these people, they're all
they all have like nuances. I mean, let's get serious.
Jennifer Coolidge really wouldn't be who she is. I think
without her work in some of these movies, like.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
A hundred, she would just be Stiffler's mom.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Right, Like the fact that she was in Best in
Show playing that character that she's always like she she
kind of has this you know, it's like her White
Load's character essentially.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, that to me is like she wouldn't exist.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Like to me, I feel like she's the best in
these movies because she's playing a type of person and
all these people are playing a type. And I feel
like you don't get there unless you really understand and
know people, and like it's a really hard balance. And
I feel like that's why there's so many bad It's
because people are doing it. Like I look at stuff
on TV all the time. I mean, you don't even

(48:03):
know so many shows we haven't even talked about like
Modern Family.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I forgot that's a dockument Modern Family. Yes, I completely
forget that that's like a mockumentary, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Because everyone's playing real fast and loose with the.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Four they really are. Wait, can I just can I
give some love to It's very fun to play a
character like quirky Saint Clair that's big and outrageous. Yes,
but I feel like Fred Willard King King. I just
feel like the type of care he he is so

(48:37):
locked into this specific type of guy that you do
know that is so original and kind of like it's
it's like traditional male, you know, because you need you
can't have all. He's like much more of a like
normal guy in a way, but it's like a heightened

(48:59):
normal guy. I don't know. I think what the work
he does, I think he's brilliant, and I think he
is so good in this movie as like the travel
agent who is like arrogant and like kind of cocky
and probably thinks of himself like as like a movie
star type, you know, and like I don't know, he's

(49:20):
just does he ri I p King?

Speaker 4 (49:22):
You know?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
He was just if you do.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Not drop in the hey what happened?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Line?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
From a mighty wind here, I'm gonna scream I will
I will have you fired if you don't do that.
It's so he's so funny because again.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
He's like, like I said, he's really really subtle.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I think Eugene Levy is the same way in a
different way, but he is also very subtly like a character.
Like it's not over the top unless he has to be.
He can be over the top front. But they're like
so they both ride this line. They're not really like
in the world that they exist in, no one would

(50:03):
describe them as a character, you know what I mean, Like,
whereas like a quirky Saint Clair. It's like in the
world of that movie, he is outrageous in that world also,
but these are like two normal men.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
But I don't know, it's they they're both brilliant, and
uh doesn't it make you kind of like doesn't it
kind of like tug at your heart strings that like
Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara are like still working together.
I mean I don't I have like sort of mixed
emotions about Shit's Creek, But it like warms my heart

(50:34):
that they like are still working so much and still
working together all these years later.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
You know, yeah, I think so too. I Mean, the
only thing I will say about that is that I
fucking wish that. I fucking wish that John Michael Higgins
and Michael McKean from Best in Show. I wish that
they had.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
To spit off.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh my god, those like two gay guy with like
how many kimoos are you gonna pack? Like I that
needed to be a fully like that should.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Have been Modern Family, What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, that should have went on for like ten seasons,
just those two characters being.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Together there for thirty six hours.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I swear, like, I feel like that's the biggest joy
of the Christopher Guest universe with these actors, Like everybody
loves these people. This this I mean, it's kind of like,
I mean, I kind of liken it to like a
John Waters Dreamlanders type of scenario totally, you know, where

(51:40):
it's just like a gang of like super funny, smart
people who just are in the same movies. They're always
they're always nailing it, and then they continue to work
even outside of him, which is what happened with Eugene
Levy and KAVINR.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Harris.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
So and that goes back to SCTV. I mean it
goes even so much further back, but it's like, I
don't know, you talk about creative collaborators and how you
wanted your like little gang, and this is like the
ultimate of.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
That, right. Even even actors who like play smaller roles
in these movies, like Bob Balaban or like Don Lake,
the actor Don Lake who plays the town historian in this,
he's the one that's like, well, that's that's when we
had the stool boom. You know that guy. But he
like they all pop up in the Christopher Guest movies

(52:29):
but just you know, like they might not be the bit,
but it's like they just create this world. Yeah, in
all these movies that just is so god, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's really great, and I'm so glad that I got
to watch Waiting for Guffman again. I mean, like, honestly,
I come back around on these movies often because they're
always like once in a while I'll just get on
a tear of them again, Like I really really want
to watch a Mighty Wind again, speaking of the phone.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Mighty Wind is great. Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
It's actually I remember like getting a emotional.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It is I would say it is the most emotional
guess of his movies.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, I got really emotional at the end. I mean,
I won't give it away, But.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Did you ever see so Christopher Guest made these mockumentaries
and then he made an actual, just straight narrative movie
called For Your Consideration? Did you ever see that movie
from two thousand and six?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
No, I don't think I ever saw it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
It is a little disappointing. I think these mocumentaries are
just like it, like you you always say bpm, it's going,
you know, like beats per minute. It's like the best
comedies out there, and I just feel like For Your
Consideration doesn't quite have that.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, I didn't see. I haven't really seen any of
the like newer stuff. Like I know, he did this
thing called Mascots, which.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Is on that's the last thing he's done.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, and they do the spinal tap thing. It feels
like a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Oh that's right, there's a new spinal tap coming yeah,
next which I'm like, that'll be interesting.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I'm a little scared, a little scared.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Those men are old.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Oh they're old, but they're you know, I just feel
like they're the fans.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
It's always the fans.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Be careful, be careful out there with those fans.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Well, Millie, was there anything else you wanted to cover
before we move on from our mockumentary conversation?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
No, but I'm glad we did this topic because I
feel like I think I initially had just been like,
let's just do it, and then it became a much
more interesting conversation. I think I thought it was going
to be like I think we got down. We actually
solved the problem of comedy, which I really we solved it.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
We're just solving so many problems.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I think it's that we don't want any more. Can
we not have any more.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Of this style?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
We could have one one once in a while, but
we don't need every show.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I think we need to retire the television, the mockumentary
television show. I think if you're gonna put in the
effort to make a feature film, go ahead, you know,
you know, I kind of like in mockumentaries to found
footage movies, uh huh, because those got really out of
control too, like found footage horrors. But I still like

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the format.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I like.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I don't think I think there's good things you can
do with it, but just you know, don't get sloppy. Yeah,
is what I'm saying. All Right, everybody, we're back with
another installment of our segment, my area of Expertise, and boy,

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howd eat do we have an expert on the show today.
You may have seen her on Mad TV Insatiable. You
can hear her on Fellow iHeart podcast Will You Accept
This Rose. She's the author of the memoir little Miss
Little Compton. Yeah, and you can see her on the
most recent season of The Righteous gem Stones as Jenna

(56:17):
Millsap they need to be nicer to Jen No, I
think I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
I mean, she's so sweet and Corey just hates her
so much, no matter what, so hard he's like, she tries.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
It's like being mean to a bunny.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Like, she's so sweet and she tries so hard. I
like that she just takes swings and makes jokes in
front of the Gemstone.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
She's trying, She's trying, And yeah, they need to be
nicer to her. But we have the wonderful Arden Marine.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
For being here. Oh my God, my true honor mine.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Honey.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So, like we said at the top, you're an expert. Yeah,
the area of xise that you are an expert in
is dirty dancing.

Speaker 6 (57:04):
Yeah, you know, as you were saying, as you were
talking earlier, the other area I could have picked would be.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Steve Martin movies. But but this is it's dirty, dirty dancing.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I am the right choice.

Speaker 5 (57:15):
I am an expert.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
In dirty dancing. I love dirty dancing.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Do you remember seeing it? Yeah, for the first time.
Oh yeah, what was that emotional experience you're thing?

Speaker 5 (57:26):
It was my one of my mom's favorite movies. She
loved it. And you know, you want to go in.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
I feel like I was maybe like thirteen, and you
want to go in like too cool for school of
like this is going to be like so like okay dirty,
like it does. Everything about it felt like not cool
when you're thirteen. And I gotta tell you, I just
rewatched it last night because I'm a good little pupil.
Everything from the opening sound like it never has be.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
My Baby sounded hotter.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
I mean, I want to just say it. I felt
I really related. I was a late bloomer and the
fact that Baby gets the guy and not the older
sister incredible storyline. And we all know that Patrick Swayzey
is hot but rewatching Jennifer Gray is the hottest personal life.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Oh my god, I couldn't agree more. Her body is.

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Her body, and looking at her when she's like kind
of like starting to come into her like like sexuality,
and when I remember when she runs down the steps
in that little like body suit and jean shorts.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
You could wear that today.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Like I'm watching Summerhouse right now and one of the
characters is wearing that.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Not many people can pull that off.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
No one is hotter her her and the lake doing
the lifts sits just as hot as Patrick Swayzey.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
It was the hottest.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
And I love the fact that in theory for Hollywood
version of like the sort of quirky duckling, like they
called her like you could be pretty, so we'll call
her the ugly duckling even though she's the ugly duckling
got just sex on feet and they had like a
charming connection.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
I really was like, I want to be baby. I don't
want to be baby.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
I want to go to Kellerman's. I want to take
I want to go take Chashaw lessons. I want to
crawl around on the ground and talk about spaghetti arms.
I want to go to adult camp with my family. Yes,
I love this movie. It holds up I'm going to
say maybe my favorite movie of all time.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I mean it's I mean we talked about this briefly
before we did the microphone, but like we were like,
it's got to be top three. I mean, I have
the amount of times they've seen this movie me too,
is insane. I watched it as part So you know,
a lot of people maybe don't know this, or maybe
they don't even really think about it, but this movie
is takes place at like a Jewish yes camp. Yes, yeah,

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so it played as part of the Jewish Film Festival
here in Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
And of course when I when I when they played it,
I was like, oh, of course, because that's the whole
conceit of the movie is that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It's like Porschpelt, like yes, you know I did.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
I didn't add that up as a child maybe, And
then like even reading about it, it's like he's not Jewish,
she's Jewish, like just the whole.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
I'm like, ah, I'm I. I want to convert and
I want to go to Killman's with my Jewish family.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
By get me out of New England seven, Like I'm
here for it, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
That camp is so fascinating, and like, do they have
things like I used to?

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
They used to It was like a time and place.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
It was like, as they were saying the era opening lines,
it was before Kennedy was shot.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
It was before the Beatles had invaded.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
It was like coming out of the fifties going into
the sixties before it got starting to get a little
more dangerous, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I mean it's the I feel like
the first time I loved, Like the sex of this
movie is fabulous, Like when you see Patrick Swayze for
the first time and he's like dancing with this woman
and is like throwing her around. I mean, it's so hot.
It's like it is like face meltingly hot. It's insane.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
Can I just say I did a lot of research
for this, Yes, thank you, because I already knew this already,
so like honestly the star, I already knew this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
It was just like.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
I again, I wanted to come right for your listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Sure, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Billy Zane allegedly was initially cast as Johnny Castle. But
here comes Patrick Swayzee, who was a trained dancer, and
he went to I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna
lie about what it's like the Joffree Ballet or something like.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
He went to like the he was like actually trained dancer, Yeah,
but he had.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
An injury and he said on his resume, can't dance,
Like can dance but not allowed to And so he
was like concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
This king.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
All of his own stunts, there was never a body double.
And he fell off the log when they were doing
the like rehurt his knee and kept going. Now, Sarah
Tisica Parker also auditioned. Ironically, Jennifer Gray was dating Matthew
Broderick at the time of filming this, so he was
and he came in. Apparently he's in the audience when

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they filmed the Talent Show.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
He's there in the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Really, I have been.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
I was dating somebody who has parents lived in North Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
So I went to One of the sets was in
near Back.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Cave, North Carolina, and I went a lot of his
burned down were gone, and then there was the other
one was in Virginia. Now, they filmed all this in
the fall, and it was really cold and they had
to spray paint a lot. They were turning colors. They
dispray paint the leaves green. This to keep it the lake.
Seen the lift scene they were freezing. It was like

(01:02:58):
sub like like free Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray had
electric chemistry in the audition. They'd done a movie together
and didn't like each other before read Dawn. Then they
but they had this great screen test. Then they got
there and they fucking hated each other. They hated each other.
He was very sort of by the book, right, I mean,

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you don't become that good of a dancer and have
a body like that if you're not a little regimented. Right,
Barly the scene where he's dragging his hand down and
she's giggling, that was not like in that, Like that
was them rehearsing and she's ticklish, and his look of annoyance,
Oh of course that was Jennifer Gray giggling.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
That was him being pissed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
They didn't even remember they did that, and they were
going through the dance rehearsal. They were just watching dance rehearsals.
That wasn't like filming. And they found that footage and
nobody wrote like that wasn't part of it, and they edited.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
It in interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Because and he was like he thought she was like
unprofessional because she would get giggly, but like that's her charm, Like, yeah,
she was so good in the first scene when they
go up, but she carries the watermelon.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
I carry a watermelon? How hot I'm dancing to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
Like fifties music to look like the horniness and the musk,
but like pheromones of that room and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Those people in the background, the background dancers are hot
as fucking hell. Like they're all like grinding on each other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I watched them all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
When I watch the movie, I'm just like, who was
the Like little she's got she's got like really really
short hair, I know what you mean.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
She's so sassy, she's got a little like Maria. She's
got like Anita from West Side Story energy. And then
when he comes over and he does the finger crook out,
Oh my god, that's who hated each other. She's so
poised and grounded too like and her little like kind
of perm not perm like. And she didn't look fifties

(01:04:55):
or sixties. She looked kind of eighties, of course, and
like his finger cur I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Mean, there's several moments where I'm absolutely like, she's the
hottest woman ever hundred and not just me when I
was like nine, but like even to day as a
grown woman. Like there's two scenes. One is during the
Hungry Eyes sequence waist, I waste.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
The waist heard by her hands on Hungry Eyes. I've
never wanted giant hands on my waist. I want the
proportions that they had with her waist in his hands.
I need tod somebody like a meathand a stick and
we can read.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Guess, so hold you like backwards like almost the fingertips
are going down.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Holding the hips also okay the way, okay, sorry I
cut you off.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Second scene when she was a HoTT.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
The second scene is during again it's like another like
one of the like uh montage sequences, And this was
the one where they were like lip syncing to Mickey
and Sylvia strange.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
But the second one when they're like fully together hot
and like he's on the floor and he's just like
kind of like bang is like buying floor and then
they do this crazy I don't know if they did
it with like a steady cam or like some kind
of crane, but they like focusing on her and she's
like behind that little petition and she's like, come in

(01:06:21):
love a boy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And I'm like, the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Girl, you are doing that shit like you was doing
that shit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
She was so hot and she.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Dated all the hottest guys, and you see gause.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Someone is confident, she knows she's got it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
She's like and this I called bullshit on because they
claimed that that was like, oh, they just rehearsed like that.
You don't have a city cam for rehearsal. That was
like planned.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
That was bullshit. That was not like found.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
Footage like you like, you don't like push in like
a creeper with the city cam.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
It's not happening. And again I'm not trying to be problematic.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
I'm not trying to like like all inclusive, all of
all sizes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
It's not I've never wanted a body.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
I was like, I just want to I just want
if I could have anyone's body on Earth, I want
to be I want to be baby.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
I want that body.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
I want to just wear that leotard and jean shorts
and I want those hands on. So also allegedly they
never successfully did the lift until the finale, and that
was the first and only time they did it, and
so their joy was like real love of that they
were coming together. Apparently they had to reshow them their
chemistry test to show so they could get but they

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were worried they weren't going to be able to get
through the filming because they hated each other so much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Oh, they were trying to like make them fall back
in love with them.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Then they fell again with and so that they their
joy of like her laughing and kissing him is like
that's Patrick and Jennifer had never actually executed the lift.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
When you look at his hands and her little hips.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
And that dress, that dress, they listen, they must have
figured it out, because I'm telling you right now, dude,
if you play.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Me the final sne I cannot like but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Literally the like last minute of the film where he
looks said her with like the most yearning I've ever
seen in a man in my life in movies screen Otherwise,
I'm like, I fucking want some guy to look at
me in the way that he looks at her. But
he looks like he's about to cry or something. I

(01:08:17):
just he looks like and I'm like, how did they
figure this out? This is so genius, Like this is everything.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
For us, honestly, think Patrick, it makes me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
I feel like Patrick Sweezey kind of became a joke
after this for a little bit. I was like, Oh,
Pat for us so good. I read Roblow his book
when it came out, and they were saying at the
audition for The Outsiders that Patrick Swayzey everyone on the
set he was the cool guy. Everyone wanted to be

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Patrick Swayzey, that he was the coolest one on the set,
Like that was the guy for like Matt Dylan, like
all the guys wanted to be Patrick Swayzey.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Did you see the documentary about him that that came out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I guess it was a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
It's fantastic, and it was like the documentary really nailed
what I think I loved about him, which is that
he's this like rugged masculine guy, but he dances and
he's sensitive and he's not afraid to look feminine in
his like body and his.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Life so good and he's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
And Ghost. I just recently rewatched Ghost. That's another one
where you could like kind of like make fun of
him for that movie, but he plays it. He's he
is so intensely dedicated to his performance in these movies
that he totally like raises the profile of these films.

Speaker 6 (01:09:41):
And he just I wonder if because he was too
handsome or pretty, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Like masculine, he's too beautiful.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Pretty but masculine, but he's pretty.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
And I wonder if I wonder I actually felt like
with his Johnny.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Speeches, I bet people.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
Did dismiss I mean, you can tell this guy to
work out it so like I wonder if his beauty
got him dismissed many times, probably, like you know, it's
not something that most regular people have to deal with,
but I would imagine I bet people belittled his talent
or his efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You know, it's like he's a reason like sorry, Casey,
I mean to cut no, no, no, please.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I feel I feel very passionate about the subject. I'm
going insane right now. But you know that's like, Casey,
why don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Just go away? Millie did say before this interview that
she might ask me to leave the interview she needs
to do.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
I'm super fans.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
I have so many more facts, but I feel like
I need to get Casey what Millie's done.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I know I know, sorry, Casey, I'm gonna say this
and then I'm gonna let you speak. But like, the
thing is, I feel like, for some reason, the movie
going audiences all right, like primarily men, let's get serious straight,
guys can't accept a leading guy who like knows how
to dance.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I don't know why they don't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
I watch Tavana knight Side not okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Exactly, And because I feel like Channing Tatum is probably
the most similar compy. He's like a more He's probably
the most modern day Patrick Swayzer we have right now. Yes,
the thing that Channing Tatum has done that Patrick did
not do was that Channing Tatum basically realized his own

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like he almost said to himself, I know people think
I'm gonna be corny, so I need to get on
top of it, get ahead of the curve and like
be funny and like start doing comedies and.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Making fun of hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yes, exactly. And he's great in Magic Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
But see, Patrick was more earnest, he was really serious
and so and he did not allow himself necessarily to
become like the caricature of who he was. I mean,
he did it on like SNL maybe once or twice,
But he wasn't like Channing Tatum where he just like
completely like was like I'm self aware of who I am.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Maybe he wasn't funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Yeah, I mean I could.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I mean that could totally. I think. Yeah, like you're saying, really,
there's always a little bit of like wink to the
camera with Channing, Like even in the magic mic stuff,
it's kind of like, isn't this funny that I'm doing this?
You know? But like Patrick Swayzey was like just such
an artist. He was just so committed to it. Yeah,
and I think arden to your previous point about him
being too beautiful, I think that's right. But I also

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think he is such a man, oh my god, you know,
like and like he can't be he so like maybe
he can't get in these like teen romances as much
because he is so man.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
He's not he's a mad He's a man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I mean, can you imagine if you were Jerry Orbach
and you're like, I'm I'm the man who's like wooing
your daughter, it would be sort of frightening.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
No.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
No, As a person who hosts a bachelor podcast, ABC
often picks a male lead that feels like like kind
of neutered.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
That's a little bit like yeah, story, they're not.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
Really gonna fuck your daughter like this last Bachelor was hot,
but like they kind of put Patrick Swayze is gonna
like bang your daughter like like fifty eight times all weekend,
Like what.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
Your daughter is going to get just like banged? Okay,
I have a few things to say. Okay, here's other facts.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Apparently, the woman who played the mom was initially cast
as the woman who is sleeping with him, who then
sleeps with Robbie, who is a rich lady.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
He was Vivian Vivian.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
She was initially Vivian, but the woman playing the the
initially playing the mom had like an accident or got
sick or something happened or she couldn't do it. So
at the last minute she got bumped up to the
mom and then they brought in the different actress to
play Vivian, the sister, who I think is incredible and
I can't believe she didn't work more.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
I thought she was hilarious. She wrote her own song
that was in the talent show.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
No Away Away.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
She was so good, incredible, and I also want to
give a shout.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Out for how hot Jennifer Gray is and how good
she is at.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
Being that first time when she's learning when she carries
the watermelon, to be.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
Able to like thrust your hips.

Speaker 6 (01:14:19):
Badly but believably badly, not overdoing it like right, and
then to then start to get it in the dance there,
to go from being like awkward but not over awkward,
and then I'm starting to get into it, and then
she spins around and he's gone, like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
See, I think she got her flowers. And I don't
know if you read her autobiography. It came out like
not too long ago. I got it on audio because
I was like, I want to hear her say her
own words, but like it's she's great. First of all,
she's a legend because of everything. Like first of all,
she like dated every hot guy in Hollywood. Her dad
was obviously Joel Gray. She came from one of those

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like performance dance families.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
That was her dad. I forgot, yeah, and it's it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Sounded like she grew up in New York with like
really artsy parents, like seventies actor parents, where like everybody
was having like key parties and smoking cigarettes and she
was just like a child on the periphery, like learning
about like life and going to the museums and stuff
I'm gonna download.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
I'm gonna have her, I'm gonna listen to her do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, but she's but I feel like she really got
her flowers in terms of like how good she is
in Dirty Dancing because obviously when this movie came out,
I mean you and I remember this, it was all
about Patrick Swayze. Everybody was obsessed with Patrick swayzey and
like obsessed with dirty Dancing as a concept. By the way,
that was a huge It was like the Macarena or something. Yeah,

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people were like going to dirty dancing class. Yes, obsessed
with the album, but like it was a movement. Like
people were like, oh, I can't wait, me and my
husband are gonna go to like dirty dancing class or
whatever the fuck. It was like a thing. But like
she and she was obviously a part of this movie
and a but I think it's also like in a
more she is now Finally, I think people were being like, oh,

(01:16:02):
she's the best, Like in this movie, she's like the
most beautiful, she's she can.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Dance rewatching it. I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
I mean that always happens though, even on like Twilight,
because it's the females that are the ticket buyers, like
the street girls, right, and they're like, I want you know, Edward,
I want whatever, like like it's like they you know,
I want Robert Pattinson, like you know, like like they're
the ones.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
That go crazy. Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
Apparently the song She's Like the Wind, which he wrote
and performed, he had tried to jam it into like
three movies that he'd already been in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
And so it's great and apparently at the script got
denied like by like forty five places, and this little
studio was like, okay, we'll make it. They made it
for six million dollars and at that time it made
like two hundred and forty million dollars, and apparently it
tested terribly. People were making fun of Some people were

(01:16:56):
saying you should just burn it and try to get
the insurance money. Also, Patrick Swayzey hated and tried it
was like being a brat about He hated the line
nobody puts baby in the corner. He thought it was
really corny and he didn't want to say it, so
he gave him like one take and then he said
a pound watching it, he realized that they were right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
And it was a female producer who had the vision
and a female writer, and it was about her time growing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Up exactly, which I think is so key.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
I see that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Like a woman wrote it, because it really could have been.
I think it's a better movie that it was written
by a woman because it's more textured. It comes from
the female perspective. It's like, it's not about like, oh,
this is just like some teeny bopper fantasy shit. It's
like us coming of age story. It makes it more
of a coming of age story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
It's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
It is like such an interesting movie because before I
had seen it, I knew, like I knew of Dirty
Dancing obviously, when did you know when I watched it
for this, No, i'd seen it before. I'd seen it before.
But when the first time I watched it, I remember
being like, oh, this is like set in the fifties
or like the early sixties or whatever it is. And
I was like, oh, because like the music, it's sort
of like anachronistic, a little bit like it takes place

(01:18:09):
in the past with the present. I mean, it is
sort of a it has sort of a surreal feeling.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
It's weird that, like there's nothing fifties about it. They
made it very well. Also, like give the apparently the
abortion storyline. They were trying to get sponsors or things.
People kept trying to make them take out the abortion storyline.
It's like, well then you don't have a story. You
need the abortion otherwise that generates the whole I didn't understand,
like she can't get the abortion because they lose this
season's salary.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
I'm like at the shell Drake, like, I don't know
what do you mean for the at.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
The at Kellerman's or the show, Like I don't understand
and next year's gig anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
But I was like, I just go with it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Yeah, when I was young, I had zero idea it
was about abortion. I thought it was just like she
has a mad stomach ache. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
Said whatever, let's just get back to the dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yeah, is there any dance moves you do from this movie?
Like you try to recreate at all your own personal life.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
I would want the left, I want the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Left, the lift. Yeah, when when Patrick Swayze is so
like the end scene.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Coming up on the Yes, when those fuckers when his
crew come down. Behind of the crew, those fuckers come
through and they're all dancing in sync. I like, I
can't stop shivering. It's the most amazing feeling in the world. Also, like,
I think she gets this from me.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
And when the when the wife stands up to Jerry
orr Box, she's like, sit down, Frank.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
And then he's like when when I'm wrong, I say
I'm wrong, I'm like.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
Okay, well you can still give him a handshake because
you eat it, you know what I mean that you're
sitting like, but everyone's a good actress.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Well, I'm like and two, speaking of you know the
abortion sequence, I mean the woman Cynthia Rhodes who played
that actress. She's hot as hell too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
How about like kind of the like one guy to
girls of when Cynthia is behind her and her hope,
she just starts like basically she's in like a bra
a sweaty like tank top tied up to her titties,
like cute little like this could be a today, you know,
you get it up skims, you know, like high racing
under rear and then like a heel and then and

(01:20:22):
then Cynthia's hands are on her little hips and then
she's between she and Patrick Swazy. It's like full threesome
sex party, Like good for them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
That throuple is so like in that scene is so hot.
It's like they knew they whoever filmed it, whoever wrote it,
whoever fucking lit it. Yeah, exactly what was going on.
They were like, here's the hottest people. Got to get
in there, get them bellies, get the pans.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Like get everything.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
I swear I could talk about this movie literally for
years and years and years obsessed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Well, Arden, thank you, this was so.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
My cells are fine firing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I should just like start dirty dancing podcasts have the.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
Same talk every day literally just bringing up I remember
back in the day, but I couldn't find it. I
couldn't find it verified. I remember, now this makes sense
now you would have a pasty. But apparently she wore
band aids. Allegedly she were band aids on her nipples
during the sex syne.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
But it's like, great, I don't blame her, I don't
blame her.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
Like, but that was like, oh band aids on the
like at the time, that was pre pasty.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Interesting, interesting, so many wonderful bits and fact you're truly
an expert, like I've never met another person who knew
as much about this movie.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
So well, thank you so much again.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
I also like doing podcasts, and so the ones, the
ones I say yes to, I'm gonna come and give
it my all, so that the assignment you call yourself
an expert.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Why don't you glance at the textbook before the quiz, bitch?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Oh my god? Well, Arden, you're on the most recent
season of the Righteous Gemstones and anything else happenings show.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
You get my book, little miss little Compton anywhere. I
have a very fun, exciting secret thing coming up that
I'll be in Atlanta filled me all summer, and then
my podcast is on hiatus right now because it's in
between seasons. But I have a FAMEDI podcast about the
Bachelor franchise that honestly mostly talks about everything else.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
But it's colled except this rose. That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
You can find me on Instagram. Arda Marine looks like Myron.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
M y are I am?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Well, thank you so much, Arden, this was this is
an electric conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Well, I'm feeling excited.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
I feel excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Okay, so I guess it is now time for the end.
Of the show where we always do employee picks, meaning
Casey and I pick a film that we'd like to
recommend for you. All that is related to our episode
to day, and I guess our episode is about documentaries,
So yeah, we have any documentary that you want to recommend.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Wow, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
I'm a bit of a homer. And I love the
movie Drop Dead Gorgeous from We had already mentioned it
in the show, but it is from nineteen ninety nine.
It takes place in Minnesota, and I know a lot
of people who are like extras in it or like
in crowd scenes. It was a very big deal when

(01:23:43):
it was shot here. It's a fake beauty it's a
beauty pageant, and it's got Alison Janny Churse, Reality, Kirsten Dunst,
Britney Murphy, Amy Adams, which Amy Adams was actual. She's
not from Minnesota, but she got her she was acting
in Minnesota. She got her start at the chan Hassen

(01:24:04):
Dinner Theater in Minnesota and this was hand of her
big break and allowed Amy Adams to Catapultan to start him.
But I love this movie. It is really over the
top and very silly and it takes a big swing
and I just I love this. I don't know, I
just love this movie so dearly. It was really hard

(01:24:27):
to find for a long time, and now you can
stream it. Yeah, check out dropped at Gorges.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Well, that's a good one, obviously, love that one. Love
Smile nineteen seventy five. What you have to see now
that you've seen it, I know I've dropped out gorgeous
so much, but a great one. So mine is a
little bit. I actually haven't seen this in a very
long time, but I fucking loved it when it came out.

(01:24:56):
So there was a mockumentary that was it's technically a film,
I believe, it was also a TV show and it
was called Together two the number two and Together the
rest of it Together, it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Was Together you yes, yes, I know Together.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
So it was an MTV show and film about this
fake boy band. It came out in two thousands, so
you know that the time is right. And it was
basically a mockumentary about a band called Together that was
like based on very like Backstreet Boys in Sync adjacent.
I didn't know this, but the creators are Brian Gunn

(01:25:40):
and Mark Gunn and they were related to James.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Gunn, oh, which I was like, I didn't realize that,
but I guess it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
But they created this fake universe of this like fake
boy band. I when I tell you, I was obsessed
with this when it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I Oh, I was too. I loved this. Say it
don't spray it. I want the news, not the weather.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Do you remember they had that like rival band which
I feel like was just called Whoa and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
They had a song called rub one Out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
I could not get over. I thought it was so
fucking funny that they were like all these young teeny
bopper guys and then one of the guys is Kevin Farley,
Chris Farley's brother, This like bald old guy in there,
and it was just so fucking funny. Oh my god,
he is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
The show is incredible, Like I gotta find it all,
it's gotta be online. I feel like it. To me,
it was like one of these things where it's like
MTV is really bad at entertainment a lot of times,
like they just throw shit up and see they don't
even give a fuck. They're like it doesn't even matter.
This was one of the things where I felt like

(01:26:56):
they it almost felt like they were just like, hey,
here's this like funny thing we can do that turned
out to be actually funny and good.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yeah, totally. I mean during this time too, like MTV
was much better than it is now, which it's not
really anything now, but they would like, you know, try
something weird out once in a while, and this is
like one of them that like actually hit you know,
something of quality.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Yeah, but it was so it's so funny and good
and like I just remember cracking up. So anyway, that's
my recommendation, either the movie or the TV show together.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
That is so I'm I'm so interested. So it's Brian
and Mark Gunn, whose brother is James Gunn, who like
did like Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy movies and stuff.
And then Sean Gunn who is an actor who is
on The Gilmore Girls and was also in a TikTok

(01:27:51):
recent like the audio from The Gilmore Girls of his
voice went very viral and it's like, I love your daughter.
Oh have you heard that one? That's that's Sean Gunn. Oh,
I didn't know that. That's crazy, Yeah, that's audio from
Gilmore Girls. Anyways, very interesting talented family. Wow, wonderful. That's

(01:28:12):
such a good one, Millie. I'm jealous of your pick.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much. No, listen,
I I'm glad we did this episode. I love I
mean obviously talking to Arden Marine, I you saw me
at my most feral, Okay, I was. It was a
goddamn runaway train just then, like you really saw me

(01:28:39):
in a space that I hold very near and dear
to my heart. I don't show this often, but when
I when it comes out, it comes out, you know
what I mean. And I just feel like she brought
it out in me. She brought out the feralness so well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
It was that was a you know, I said that
this word before. It was an electric conversation. And you know,
if I had been standing in front of Millie, I
think she would have done one of those things where
you know, you take you put your hand on someone's
forehead to push them out of the way. I think
that's that was metaphorically what was going on in that conversation.
But I needed it. I need to get out of

(01:29:14):
the way of the freight train. I had. You had
to get out of the way for my own safety.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Listen, sometimes it's like when it comes out of me,
it comes out like love. I can't stop it. And
I felt like, yeah, I feel so bad that you
were a little sidelined there. But when you get two sidelines,
two fucking girls going hand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
No, let's go. It was a blast. And Arden is great.
Check her out the Righteous Gemstones. Her outfits are really
great on that too. I should have her, but she
was wonderful to have on the show. But yeah, if
you in the future, we can't skip our film advice
section today because we want to go a little bit
longer with Arden and our main convo. So but if

(01:29:55):
you need our advice, you know in the future, if
you need a specific recommend you need help navigating a
director's filmography, you need a film gripe resolved right in
to Deer Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com. Or you
can leave us a voicemail by recording it on your
phone and sending it to that same email address. Please
record it in a quiet place, keep it under sixty seconds,

(01:30:18):
please please, please please.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
And then also we're on social media Deer Movies, I
Love you on Instagram and Facebook. Casey and I are
individually on Letterbox and Our handles are at Casey Leo
O'Brien at Mdchericho.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
That's right, and follow us on Instagram because we just
did an Instagram live and it was very fun and
I feel like people really liked it. And next, if
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So check that out and listen to Deer Movies I
Love You on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever
you get your podcasts. Also rate and review our show

(01:30:58):
positive wing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
U.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
It helps get the word out there if you review
the show, so yeah, please do so if you're able to,
we'd love that. It would mean the world.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
So let's talk about next week.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Please.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
We are going to talk a little bit about a
filmmaker named Barry Jenkins. I think you all know who
he is, director of Moonlight and if Beale Street could talk,
But we want to talk about his films and then
his like one of his very early movies, if not
his first movie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Right, yeah, Medicine for Melancholy. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
I feel like again we're talking about underrated films. I
feel like it's very underrated.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
I haven't seen it, Millie, Well you're going to watch it.
I am going to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
I'm thrilled you're going to give your opinion, all right,
Oh man, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
I'm emotionally exhausted by all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Of our topics. We laid it all out. We were
like Lebron James on the court, leaving it all out there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I know. I feel like I'm at the bottom of
the staircase with the watermelon smash. Like I didn't carry
a watermelon. I just am sitting in the juices.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Well, thank you so much, Milly for another fantastic episode
of Dear Movies. I love you. It was a real treat.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Yep you too. Thanks everybody, see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfolk. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho, we love you, Goodbye

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
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