Obsessed Fans & The King of Comedy (1982)

On this week’s obsessive episode of Dear Movies, I Love You, Millie and Casey discuss fan culture and the Martin Scorsese masterpiece THE KING OF COMEDY (1982). Plus, our hosts tackle some of society’s greatest quandaries in another installment of ‘Film Etiquette.’

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, No, I hear you. I hear you, and I
appreciate the offer, but I just can't do it. Mister,
mister Scorsese. Please, I okay, I'll call you, Marty. Gohu, Marty, Marty.
You want me to take over for Leonardo DiCaprio in
your next feature film. That's insanity, that's crazy. I mean

(00:23):
for your next two movies. You want me in the
next two movies? Marty?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
What what do you?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
What do you?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
What are you saying to me? What are you saying
to me? Right now? I've got you know, I've got
my podcast, I got you know, a young daughter. I
just it's not the money. It's not the money, it's
the time. And I want to do a good job
for you, so I could do better than Leo in
my sleep. Okay that you're going You're going too far now, Marty, Marty, God,

(00:50):
oh what am I going to do with you? God? Fine,
I'll do it. I'll do it. You owe me one man?
You okay? See are you okay? Yeah? How long were
you there? Did you hear any of that? Literally the
entire time I was reading a script that I'm working

(01:12):
on right now. Wow, that was like a screenplay.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, is that script include an entire fake conversation that
you've had with the director Martin Scorsese about being the
star of his next two films?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So you heard that part too? Okay? Yes? Can we
just like move on from this and pretend you didn't
hear any of that?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'll try to move on, but that was that was
quite something, dude. Are you able to participate in the
rest of the episode that we have?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, I mean it's a yes, I am. I'm okay,
I'm okay. I mean, we've got a great episode, so
I wouldn't want to miss out on it because we're
talking about the King of Comedy from nineteen eighty two,
and we're going to talk about some of sessed fan movies.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yes, well, yes, we are some of our favorites in
the micro genre of crazy fans loving crazy celebrities, and
we might talk a little bit about modern fandom too.
We've been kind of dangling this topic over the past
couple episodes, so I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
We talked about it during the K Pop Demon Hunter
episode a little bit. So I'm excited to and we've
talked about it. I feel like off mic too. Oh
of course, and then I have a film etiquette question
for you. So that'll be all really good moving forward
if we can just kind of forget everything that happened
leading up to this point.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So on that note, let's get this going before you
change your freaking weird mind.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
You are listening to Dear Movies, I Love.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
You, and I've got to know you love me to
check the books.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
All right.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
This is Dear Movies, I Love You, the podcast for
those who are in a relationship with movies. Maybe it's
one sided. Maybe it's you tying somebody up and pretending
to be on a fancy dinner date with them, but hey,

(03:37):
that is what love is sometimes, wouldn't she say?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Sure? Yes, I don't know if it's a healthy love,
but that is that is a type of love.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, I'm definitely breaking into the office of my favorite
films and pretending that I have meetings with people.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
So my name is Millie. To Jericho, my name is
See O'Brien, And yeah, this episode's gonna be real fun.
I think, Yeah, this is a big this is a
big boy movie. I feel like this is a important film.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think it's important in that sense, in the traditional
big boy sense. But I also think it's a big
boy movie, meaning it's a little bit to me of
a little elevated comedy.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Does that make sense, Yeah, yes, it's I.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Always find that there are certain movies that are like comedies,
but they're four smart people.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Sure. Does that make sense? Yeah? I mean there aren't
any haha moments really in this movie, so like.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
You have to be aware of cringe in a sum
regard to get this.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Movie, and this movie really acquaints to you with cringe
if you weren't really aware of it beforehand.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Well, I'm excited to talk about it. I feel like
me too. When we were actually talking about doing a
week on Obsessed Fan Movies, it was when we were
talking about Bona, which is the Leno Broken movie. We
talked about it during the episode about Manila in the
Closet Light, and we were kind of like rattling a
bunch of different potential anchor films, and when we said

(05:16):
King of Comedy, we're both.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like, yes, that's it, that is it's it. Oh goodness. Well,
before we get to that, Millie, we have to.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Open up the film diary and inscribe our latest the
movies we've watched from the last week and oh, it
looks like this diary entry is pretty short.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I was gonna say I can actually lift the cover
of the film Diary with one finger this week. It's
not quite as heavy as it's been, more of a
little pamphlet.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Than a tome. Yes, what do you got, Millie anything?
The problem is I.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Saw zero films this week. The only thing that I
did watch, and I'm talking about like no movies whatsoever,
not even close.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Is that we're human. We can't be watching movie. Sometimes
we go a few days without watching a movie. Yeah,
I will say.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
The only way this is at all related to a
could be put in a film diary maybe is that
it is a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
It is dark, it is tragic. It is tragic.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
And what I'm speaking of is that I'm I decided
that I was going to restart the Bravo reality television
show The Valley, which, as you know, is the spinoff
show from our beloved vander Pump Rules, also a reality
show on Bravo. Yes, and you know, The Valley was

(06:56):
kind of positive as this. Okay, there's the general fuck
ups from vander Pump Rules who are now married and
have kids and they've moved out to the Valley of
Los Angeles, which is like Studio City, Burbank, Valley Village,

(07:18):
North Hollywood. Would you say, I don't know, like that
whole area. So now you know some of these fuckers
from vander Pump Rules now live out in the valley
and it's this whole like the premise is like literally
like adulting question Mark.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right, it's that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
When I first came out a couple of years ago,
I was kind of like, do I really want this
for myself? And then Danielle Henderson in fact and cait
and Mark Gardner, who was a previous guest on her podcast,
they were both like, you gotta watch it. It is
so the it is like.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Greek tragedy, that's how tragic it is. Have you seen
it at all? You know what? No, I haven't. I've
watched every second of vander Pump Rules, same same. But
Jack's is a very evil and dark figure and I
think there's something deeply wrong with him and I'm afraid

(08:16):
of him. And I'm not the one who has said this.
I didn't start this, but there's somebody online and this
was kind of going around online that was saying he
kind of checks a lot of the boxes for Family Annihilator.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yes, absolutely, this is actually verbatim what Danielle and Caden
said to me.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, that is interesting.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Words Family Annihilator.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's see, that's scary and weird that we all three
said that. Yes, and so it has. Tricia has been
watching it, and I'll like kind of peek from the
background and watch a little bit. But I'm I like
it's it's too dark, where it's like unpleasant, where like
vander pump was kind of like and funny and joyful.

(09:03):
It just feels like there's a lack of that Yes
on the Valley so.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, and like for those people who like know absolutely
nothing about what we're talking about, Jack's Taylor is essentially
like the male lead, I guess you would say of
this reality show and subsequent spin off. And it's like, imagine,
like this dude from your high school moved to la
and he just has not stopped partying, and he's forty

(09:29):
five years old and now has a wife and a
kid and a house in the valley. And that's I
think what makes it scarier is the fact that he
just has more at stake, right, Yeah, And that's this
thing that keeps getting brought up over and over and
over again. Is the idea that he has a child
and like the child should not be around his manic,
coke head, narcissist energy. And he's been has rolled out

(09:54):
in some of the episodes that he's acted violently out
of anger, which we've actually seen on vander Pump before.
So it but it is like upped. It is the
stakes are uped. It's very uncomfortable. He actually goes into
a rehab program, but he's still allowed to use the phone,
which I thought was kind of strange. But then the
other thing, and this is the thing about.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Vander Pump too, that was really I know why.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
They don't do this, but I also think it misses
a huge opportunity to explain a lot of this behavior
is that they're all drug addicts.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
They don't talk about alcohol and absolutely alcoholics. I mean
every scene on that show, like the daytime scene they're
going and getting lunched, They're they're drinking like vodka, Sota's
and chardonnay, just non stop.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, there was a moment where Brittany had brought up
at one of the episodes about how he was taking
xanax or something. But it's like we all know that
he does a lot of drugs. We all know that
all of those people have done drugs, and I feel
like that's what explains the erratic behavior and the the
manickness and the violence. Like beyond the fact that he's

(11:03):
just mentally disturbed according to what he showed on the show,
let's just say that. But it's like it's just this
thing where I'm like, nobody wants to talk about how
these people are like raging coke heads and you know,
really into pills, and.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know, I think that is a thing that it's
like there are children involved now, and it's like, Okay,
this is actually not funny anymore. Yeah. So I think
that's why it's like I'm a little less enticed to
watch it. But I'm also like not really interested if
they do another season of vander Pump Rules. I think
that they can be done.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, they can be done, and that's fine. I really
really had a hard time with the last season of
vander Pum I actually wrote about it on my soapstack.
I did like a who yeah, but it was like, man,
towards the end, I was like really struggling to write
any Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
But anyway, man, we had some good times. We had
some good times with the those crazy kids. But I
think it's time to say goodbye. Yeah, I mean, these
were the best days of our lives, but now not so.
Oh goodness. Well, vander Pump cinema in a certain sense,
I would say it's very cinematic. Yeah, yeah, very good. Well.

(12:17):
I have a similar problem. I didn't watch any movies either. So,
but you know, I've been watching a lot of what Teletubbies.
I've been watching a lot of the Teletubbies. I find
it very relaxing. It's very strange. Is it old to
Teletubbies or is there something watch? We watched the new
one and the old one. Patients really likes it and

(12:39):
it's kind of I find it very creative. It's like
these big, kind of alien blobs in a futuristic, weird society.
I don't know, I like it.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
What about the baby? Is the baby still in the sun?
Oh yeah, well that was so cute to me.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Every time the baby comes on the screen, Patients goes, baby.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Oh what about pingu?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Is she in a pingo at all? Pingo? I don't
know what that is?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh my god, it's like a little penguin that makes
little weird minions noises.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Oh, yes, pingo, I remember pingo. No, we haven't gotten
into that, but we're not opposed to it. I'm kind
of getting into weird children's television. I find it calming
and creative and interesting.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, but there's also like baby television and then like
you know, children's television, and I think baby television is real,
it can get real psychedelic.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, I think I would put Teletubbies in that camp.
I feel like it's very baby. Yeah, because it's like
it's very surreal and just a lot of sound effects and.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Right, because it's basically like it banks on the idea
that babies have, like you know, they're cognitive functioning, is
it like at a high level yet, So it's a
lot of just shapes and colors and sounds.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's just very like.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I don't know, kind of again like psychedelic or something.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah. I mean we put on like Arthur, you know
that cartoon, Arthur the Anteater, But I was like, Okay,
this is actually a kids show and she doesn't really know,
like this isn't like this has a shot, this has
a st Yeah exactly, So did you ever did you.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Ever watch dog TV back in the day. No, so
back in the day, I would say probably like ten
fifteen years ago, there was like this weird kind of
like YouTube channel, kind of a streaming little streaming platform
called dog TV and it was essentially television for dogs.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
And he would interesting.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Put it on your TV and then like go to work.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And it was this it.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Was supposed to be like specifically created for dogs, where
the colors were like dog colors and or the you know,
the visuals were all like first person uh, you know,
like giving treat like a person giving a treat to
a dog in front of the camera as your dog
could identify with.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
It was wild.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Stuff, so very psychond elic as well.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
But anyway, yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if my baby
would enjoy the same things that a little dog would
think about try it out, think about well, I think
that's it. Let's close up the little diary not so heavy,
the lightest touch, the lightest touch. Here we are in

(15:42):
our main discussion today, the King of comedy and obsessed
fan movies, Millie. Can you would all relate to the
obsessive nature of Rupert Pupkin and Masha and would you
kidnap somebody? Was there any part of you that was, like,
I understand, would you kidnap a member of BTS for example?

(16:07):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Okay, good, And I'm not saying that to you know,
appear to be of rational mind.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm just saying that I literally.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Have not enjoyed anything enough to warrant that level of
dedication and passion.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Does that make sense? One hundred and twenty five percent?
That makes sense because I'm the same way. I see
these people who are obsessed with things, including podcasts. I'll
say it, not our I mean not our listeners. Our
listeners they should be obsessed with They hate us, but
they hate us the shitheads. They can't stand us, but

(16:52):
they listen. I have never liked anything enough to the
point where I'm like, I want to make this a
part of my self identity. Do you know what I'm saying?
Whereas a lot of people now and I think this
is this isn't a new concept, but there are a
lot of people who their fandom of something is a

(17:17):
part of who they are as a person. Yes, and
I can't relate to that. I have a friend who
her favorite band in middle school was Blinking eighty two
and it's still her favorite band, and like she has
been obsessed with them for like decades. You know, now,

(17:38):
if you ask me my favorite band, even a couple
of years ago, I would say something different than what
I would say now, like I don't have like they aren't.
I can't commit to anything that hard.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Here's what I want to say, really, and I don't
know if this is your experience. Again, this is my
own personality.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
At work here. We're on similar trajectories. So I'm in
sync with you.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
In my lifetime, okay, I especially as a teenager, I
developed this huge fear of being rejected, right because that's
the thing is that it's like life is pain and
rejection is terrible, and you don't want to be rejected
from people. Right when I was moving into like my

(18:27):
college radio days, and you know, when I was working
in media, I started being in a world where I
was having to interview famous people or people in bands
that I liked and stuff like that, and it was
terrifying for me because I I never once was like,

(18:48):
oh my god, I cannot wait to interview or meet
Elvis Costello or something. I was always scared to meet
him because my brain was always working like two steps ahead,
being like, well, what if he doesn't like me and
he's mean to me, and then I'll I'll not be
able to enjoy his work anymore.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean, we just had this conversation because we're
interviewing somebody for the show that we both love, and
we are both afraid and scared.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, and I think that that ultimately is the reason
why I just don't become obsessed with celebrities.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Sure in that you know way.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
That I think we're talking about with King of Comedy
or kind of modern fandom.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I think this is warranted because you and I have
both talked about recently off Mike, I think how we
have met people in the past that we admired and
loved and they were kind of mean or like they
were kind of like ah, and it's hard to enjoy
their stuff after that happens.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yes, because I feel that I think I grew up
with the like internalizing celebrity as celebrities were always like
attention seeking and not friendly and not real people, that

(20:08):
they were like glamorous, that they separated themselves from quote
unquote normal people because they were so elevated and they
were like worshiped. Like it's almost like I think I
certainly saw celebrities like that, like when I was growing
up in like the eighties and nineties, where I was like,
Luke Perry is not like me at all. Luke Perry

(20:30):
is this gorgeous star that rests in the sky, or
you know, whoever magnum Pi is not one of us,
or you know or whoever like or I would you know,
even people like musicians, like I was like Jana Jackson
probably sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber with like diamond sheets,

(20:54):
Like there's no way she would ever like me because
I'm not of her ilk. And like, I don't know
if you feel this, but after living in LA, it's not.
It's not as if that worldview was entirely shattered at all.
Like there are people in LA that act like that,
and they have nowhere at all the level of fame

(21:17):
that Jana Jackson like. People that I sort of know
who like sort of have a stand up routine are
like too good to you know, hang out with people
from their high school.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I mean I Trisian and I talk about that
all the time, that there are people waiting for the
smallest crumb of success or fame, the smallest crumb, and
then all of a sudden they have evolved into full
celebrity asshole mode. They are like launched. They are primed
and ready for just the smallest morsel of fame, and

(21:54):
then they are all of a sudden too good for
everyone they used to know. It's crazy. That is a
true thing that happens in La.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yes, And so I think, like I said, I guess,
going back to my original point, I always assumed that all.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Celebrities felt that way.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
So I'm like, well, I certainly don't want to be there,
like piece of shit that follows them around being like, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
You like me? Will you be friends with me?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
You're so cool? It just felt humiliating.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
So anyway, Yeah, it's it's a it's I totally get that.
It's you don't want to be It's there's such an
earnestness there. You feel so vulnerable. Being a fan of
something is very vulnerable in some ways, and to tell
that person that you're a fan of them is very
vulnerable and you don't want to get hurt. And I
do get that.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I mean, there are celebrities that I think now especially
and maybe this is my fandom has changed a lot
is because we are seeing celebrities in their more everyday
lives and some of them are of the people like
some of them are, which is really refreshing. But I

(23:06):
also think that created another problem, which maybe we'll talk about.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, I think that did create another problem. But maybe
I should do a quick synopsis of the King of Comedy.
Let's go, would that be okay? Uh huh? King of
Comedy from nineteen eighty two. Would you say this is
like Martin Scorsese's first quote unquote comedy, So yeah, this
is sort of a different type of This was like
I feel like Martin Scisse's first like foray into something

(23:32):
a little different than when he was doing before. But
it is about Rupert Popkin played by Robert de Niro.
He is a weirdo, struggling comedian. He's an obsessed fan,
he's an autograph hound, and he's particularly obsessed with the
late night talk show host Jerry Langford played by Jerry Lewis.

(23:54):
After jumping into Langford's limousine and accosting him about being
like he really wants to be on Langford's show, but
it sort of seems that like Pupkin hasn't really been
doing that much stand up comedy, so it seems odd.
He thinks he should be on TV. But Langford's like,
send your tape to my producer and we'll we'll talk

(24:16):
about it. Then he sends the tape to the producer.
The producer's like, you're not quite ready, but thank you.
Pupkin doesn't like this. He does not handle this rejection well.
He becomes more unhinged, more delusional, and he eventually enlists
the help of another stalker weirdo, Masha played by Sandra Bernhardt.
He enlists her into kidnapping Langford and it's for the ransom.

(24:40):
He asks to be on Langford's show to do stand
up on his show? So, uh, will Rupert get away
with it? Will he succeed? Will he become the king
of comedy? Well, we'll find out that is the king
of comedy? Very good.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I think he did an excellent job.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
So let's talk about Rupert Pupkin.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Which Rupert Pupkin, Uh, my favorite.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
One of my favorite running jokes in the movie is
that people call him Rupert Pumpkin. Yes, which cracks me up,
Like that name Rupert Pupkin is such a terribly choppy
name to have to say, But then the idea that
it just gets misheard and it's like Rupert Pumpkin's here.

(25:32):
So I'm curious what you think about the idea of
a comedy fan.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I feel like that's a very specific type of fan,
it is, And it's it's interesting because I know this
kind of guy who's like, I'm a comedy fan. He
like knows the history of comedy, he knows all the
facts and figures of comedy. He's obsessed with every little
detail about it. But just because you're obsessed with comedy

(26:05):
doesn't make you funny, you know, one hundred percent? I
think I think I think that's the that that's we
sort of run into that a little bit in this movie,
you know, and it is, but it is there is
something kind of particularly tragic about someone who is like
obsessed with funniness but doesn't understand comedy. You know. Well, yes,

(26:31):
that's exactly I think what I wanted to bring up.
And I'm glad that you see eye to eye with me.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
There's something like extra delulu about somebody.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Who thinks they're super funny, yes.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Like believes it enough to like push the agenda onto
people and like want to have a career. Uh, and
and going going to the links that Rupert Pupkin does
in King of Comedy, which is that he thinks he's
like the funniest stand up of all time and wants
to have a set on Jerry's show.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Right. He wants to be the.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
King of Comedy, the King.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah. But and it's interesting because it doesn't seem like
he particularly works, Like we don't see him like really
working on his act or even ever performing his act. Sure,
so he wants to be the King of Comedy without
really like doing any of the steps he thinks he is.
He is the King of Comedy, yes, and so he
should just be put on TV, right, And like.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
That to me is a darker delusion than somebody who
thinks that they're just like really nice, because in a
weird way, I think everybody wants to be funny? Am
I right about this? Not everybody wants to be nice?
And a lot of people would classify themselves as an
asshole or a bitch or whatever as part of a

(27:48):
personality trait, like I'm a bitch.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, but no, you're so right. Everybody thinks they are
funny or they want to be. I think everyone thinks
they're funny.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Actually, that's what I'm saying, is that I think that
that's what to me makes Rupert Pupkin scary. Is the
idea that he like, he's just obsessed with this idea
that he's hilarious. Yeah, which which is what makes and
this is again spoiler alerts for anybody who hasn't seen
this movie from nineteen eighty two. I'm just gonna throw

(28:21):
out that and we're gonna spoil it a little bit,
but it's sort of what makes the scene towards the
end where he actually does a routine.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now, whether or not.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
The routine is actually happening or is in his own frickin'
head is another story. But the idea that his routine
is so not funny, like it's.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Just sort of like, well, that's what I wanted to
actually ask you, because it is sort of confusing when
you're watching him do his routine, yeah, because they're not
like funny jokes, but you're like, Okay, I can see
this is structurally a joke, but then some of them
are kind of darker and like you're kind of like, eh,
but in the world of the movie, people are laughing

(29:06):
really hard. So I guess my question is is that
do you think that is supposed to be actually funny
or is it supposed to be sort of unclear if
this is really funny or not? Do you know what
I'm saying? And then also inherently it's kind of a
bigger question. Being funny is sort of a uh, you know,

(29:30):
a subjective thing too, But what do you think, well,
what do you think that it's trying? There? They're saying
that that performance is so.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Via the movie plot, I feel like the stand up
performance is a way to show you a It gives
you every all the reasons as to why he's so
fucked up, right because he kind of goes into that
dark family history alcoholism rant and you're like, Okay, this

(30:02):
is the tragedy behind the clown. I think we know
that now, and maybe that's why he's so obsessive and
so unaware of how he annoys people is because he
just had bad socialization and bad family stuff. Right, So
I think that's the device that they use to explain
him a little bit sure, But I also think too

(30:24):
that the idea, I think it's almost perfect because it's
like you see this person throughout the course of this
movie being so confident in his comedy chops and then
his set is so milk toast. But yet there's this
like overblown reaction via like this late night crowd, and

(30:46):
I think it does make you wonder.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I think the brilliant in it is that it's bullshit.
It's still bullshit, like he's not super funny. But also
the idea that people are canned laughing at him is
kind of humiliating in a weird, roundabout way.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Does that make sense? Yeah? And that but that and
that he's taking it as like, see, I am the
King of Comedy. They're laughing at me, but it's like
they're in a studio audience where there's probably a laugh
sign or applause sign and yeah, and from that point,
but you're also kind of like is this happening right?
And that's that's again that.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
This kind of like extra layer of brilliance because you're
almost like is this in his mind? Because there's so
many The thing I love about the King of Comedy
is that it doesn't really give you a lot of
like temporal cues as to like what's happening, Like you're like,
is this happening in real time or is this like
his delusion? It only is like until you scope out

(31:49):
over the minutes of the scene that you're like, oh,
he's talking to himself because then his mom inserts herself
in the conversation or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, because they have these like it's actually really confusing.
When you watch it for the first time, you're like, oh, wow,
Jerry Langford like is meeting with him and like really
likes him. They don't really telegraph immediately that this is
a fantasy sequence. It is completely shown the same way
as reality. But they're like these outrageous scenes where like
Jerry Langford is like you've got it, You've got it,

(32:22):
and you couldn't get rid of it if you wanted to.
They're so talented, you're the guy, you know, and and
at first you're watching it and you're like, oh, he's
doing well. He's like that's great, Like it feels like reality,
but it takes a minute for you to be like, oh,
this isn't reality. So the end, it's sort of the
same way. You're kind of but it never comes back
to reality.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Right, you know, you know, like you're wondering whether or
not he actually went into the bar to like turn
the TV on. I mean it becomes this whole like
did this actually happen or not. I Mean, the thing
that's really interesting to me about watching The King of Comedy.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well several things.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Number One, I actually did an event with Jerry Lewis,
like right before he died.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
It was on the TCM Classic Cruise, and it was
a huge deal that he was there because he wasn't
really like showing his face much at that time.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know. And I mean he's known for not being
the most friendly in real life.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yes, I can say confidently that I didn't want to
be anywhere near him. I was scared because of what
I said earlier is that I was I was afraid
he was just going to decimate me, Like he was
just gonna take a look at me and be like,
who the fuck is this bitch? Get the fuck out
of here. I'm like, here's your water, sir. Like I

(33:49):
didn't want to be I didn't want to interact with
him because I was terrified that he was going to
be mean to me. But he is a fucking star.
I mean my parents went on that cruise. I like
brought my parents on that crew, and when they found
out that he was going to be there, my dad
was like, holy fucking shit, Jerry Lewis is on the boat.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
And I'm like, yeah, like he's he's on the boat.
He's on the boat.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
And he was like you know, from all accounts, and
this is again like I did not have I did
not have extended periods of interaction with him. I was
like in like green rooms with him and like backstage
with him at certain points and you know, like give
him nods, but I wasn't like having a full on

(34:33):
conversation with him. Sure, he was like a star. I
mean he was Jerry Lewis, the star, and he held
court like.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
That you know, that's what you want, That's that's what
you want.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
And he was hard to work with from some accounts
from people that I worked, sure, hard interviews. I think
the interviews were.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Hard from what I heard.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
But it's it's crazy because I do think that that type,
like that type of celebrity, the old school entertainer celebrity.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I feel like that shit is going, that's that's that's
going going, if not completely gone by this point.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
The yeah, you know, and part of what I love
about the King of Comedy is watching Jerry Lewis.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
To me, this was the first time when I first.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Watched this movie that I saw Jerry Lewis as not
like the fucking nutty professor or whatever. He was like, yeah,
kind of like a gangster. Like he was very serious,
and I love his like the way that he kind
of walks through the scenes, like with his rings and
a cigarette and is like, you know, his suits and everything,

(35:42):
his slick back hair. I was like, man, what a
fucking badass. He looks like he should be in a
Mafia movie or something.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
He really, I mean, he is a presence in that
movie though. I mean, he feels like a movie star,
and he is playing like a star in the movie.
But he really does carry himself with such a GRAVI
toss that it's kind of amazing. You're kind of like,
I can't believe Jerry Lewis is in this movie. Like
while I was watching, I was like, I can't believe

(36:10):
they got him to do this. Yeah, I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
It's such a like being somebody who has worked in
the kind of classic Hollywood world for so long and
seeing these types of old school Hollywood celebrities like the
old school Hollywood stars are just of a different ilk.
These are people that are not trying to give you

(36:36):
a glimpse of their true selves on TikTok or something.
These are people who absolutely are trying to breathe a
rarefied air.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Like this is just it's just the nature of the
way that Hollywood used to be. It was all about
like fantasy worlds and you know, dream building. It wasn't
about being of the people necessarily.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
So I do feel like I feel like there are
very few movie stars who are like that now. Yes,
Like I do kind of consider my dear friend Leonardo
DiCaprio as like we don't really get a peek in
to hit who he is as a human. Yes, in
the way that he's not on social media, he's not
doing TikTok dances exactly. He's he's just kind of up

(37:24):
in the in the hills, you know, away from us
normal people, exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
And I think that that, I mean, there have been
articles that I've read that have said something very similar
to that, which is that Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt or
something like that kind of era of are the last
quote unquote movie stars. Like now, to be a movie star,
you're really just kind of put into like a social

(37:51):
media machine and you're required to do viral TikTok dances
and make like, you know, weird mema chunke it quotes
and that kind of stuff. But it's like you're not
allowed to be mysterious, you know, yeah, like it doesn't
help your career to be mysterious, Like you have to

(38:11):
be out there and you.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Know, well, and you were kind of alluding to this earlier,
how this now being you're now exposed as like a
human more on social media. You're putting forth this image
of humanity on social media, but that also is a construct,
you know, And it would almost be more heartbreaking if

(38:35):
you're like, oh, I follow this celebrity I love on
Instagram and they're so funny and personal on the Instagram,
and then I encountered them in real life and they
were awful. It's kind of like what is real? You know,
It's like, oh, maybe I suck. You know. It's a
different type of obfuscation between you know, celebrities and regular people.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Now, well, right, and like I think most I'm just
I'm going to speak to you know what I've seen
in the kind of like fandom that I've seen online
specifically for like K pop stars. Right, it's like these
K pop fans want to know like where these celebrities,

(39:18):
like how they feel on politics and how where they
where they choose to you know, donate money, and it
becomes like a huge issue for them and you know,
the brands that they interact with, and also like the
way they like will take videos of interviews and like
break them down to like molecular you know, it's like

(39:39):
Zapruder film type of analysis where you're just like did
he say.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
That he was pan sexual? I don't know if he said.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
That in that, but you're taking it and you're like,
you know, basically trying to prove points with this, like
you know these interview the interview footage or whatever. And
I feel like that is the cost of revealing yourself,
Like in order to like come off that like Hollywood
cloud of being unknown and unknowable, you have to create

(40:10):
content which will now be sort of used to valuate
you in some weird way. And you don't have privacy anymore.
You certainly don't have anything that allows you to escape
it unless you just simply don't have social media, but
people still find ways to like figure you out, you know,

(40:34):
and so.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
It's very like it's I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I mean, it's again, I feel like you and I
perhaps are like opted out of it because we're not.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Strong fans of things, I guess.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
But if I was really, really, really into something, I
don't know what I would expect. I don't know if
I would expect that they would give me the time
of day if I saw them public or like, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It becomes so complicated now too, because I think about
during like the George Floyd stuff, it's like every celebrity
felt the need to say black Lives matter or post
about comment on it, you know. And on one hand,
I'm like, oh, it's nice to know where they stand.

(41:25):
If they don't say anything, I feel like they don't
support black lives matter. But at the same time, is
it some sitcom actor's job to be telling telegraphing to
the world. They're personal and political beliefs at all times,

(41:47):
you know. It's like these aren't elected officials, right, you know.
So I don't know, it's a complicated thing, right, And
it's I.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Guess it's just that people want to feel good about
out standing celebrities. Yeah, wish, I think. Never, It just
didn't occur to me to even feel that way. Like
I again, I think I just came from this like
very old school interpretation of what I thought celebrity was,
which is that these are people who.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Are again rarefied. They're in la la land.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
They're probably doing and saying and thinking things that have
nothing to do with me, and.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I just had to take what they do at that
kind of face value.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
But there was never a moment where I was like,
I wonder if Jordan Knight from the Nukaus on the
Block feels similarly about you know whatever, Jerrymander, you know whatever,
game errors, jerrymandering, fill in the blank. Like it just
never occurred to me, and I was and you know, now,

(42:55):
I just think that thing has become so bust wide
open that I think that people want to be they
want their celebrities to be like them, which is yeah, very.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Seems very strange to me personally, but me too, me too,
I have Can I go back to the movie real quick?
What we're talking about a movie? Huh? I want to
talk about Masha Helly Sander Bernhard's character. Yes, she's very
interesting to me because we meet her where she like

(43:28):
throws herself in the back of Jerry Langford blimusy and
it's like carry out, Like I'm not even entrely sure
what she's trying to accomplish. It almost seems like she's
trying to bite him, and you know, and she agrees
to kidnap Jerry Langford, but it's kind of unclear what
she gets out of this. She just wants to have
dinner with him, she wants to have sex with him.

(43:51):
I don't know. I just I don't know what she wants.
What do you think Masha wants.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I think she wants to definitely have sex with him.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yes, I think she wants to like and.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You know, what's really what's really interesting too about the
uh Jerry Lewis character Jerry Langford, is that his character
is set up to effectively be kind of a lonely guy.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, he's eating dinner alone, he's walking around the city alone.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, he puts his little Pomeranian or whatever, the silky
terrier dog on the dinner chair.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
It's like his only meal companion.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
So it kind of in that way sets up this
interesting dynamic between him and some way like Masha, who
is like this person is just like completely obsessed with
him and wants to like you know, date him and
be with him, devour him perhaps, and perhaps you know,
there's this moment where you're like, what does he think

(44:50):
about this? Is this? Like I mean, he's scared obviously,
but there's a moment where it is like the.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Feeling of.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Would would he in another circumstance want to date somebody
like her? Like what does she think that he needs her?
Like she's projecting all these feelings on him, like, oh
my god, he's so lonely and he's not married or something.
Maybe I need to like be his wife or something.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I don't know where she's like.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
You know, I think like Rupert, on the other hand,
is not in love with Jerry. I think he wants
his place in the sun and Jerry is going to
give it to him.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
He almost wants to eat Jerry too, in a different
way that he like wants to consume him and become him. Yes,
Like he feels like he is kind of in his
almost like he's in his spot. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well, I will say that Samcha Birdheart in this movie
is so good and I can't believe she.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Didn't win an oscar for it. She's great, She's really great.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I love when she like runs out of his apartment
in her underwear, just like chasing him down the block.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Jay, Let's do something crazy, Let's do something. IM feeling
so impulsive to that. Let's crazy. She's so iconic, man,
I love you. It's great. I know I wanted more
of her in the movie, and I just love that.
It's funny too. Rupert and her and all these losers
that are waiting outside. Now that everybody who's uh wants
an autograph is a loser, but these loser weirdos who

(46:16):
are hanging outside of Jerry Langford studio to try to
get an autograph to see Jerry. He walks up. Everybody
knows him because he's like an autograph hawk, and they're like, hey, Rupert,
how are you And He's like, I'm not I'm not here.
I'm just passing through. He doesn't want to be associated
with these people, you know, but he is one of
those people you know. And it's like, oh my god,

(46:37):
they're both because both he and Mash are both like
I'm not like you, I'm not pathetic like you you're pathetic.
I'm not pathetic. Like they're doing that the whole time.
It's so funn Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
That is such a fucking dark world. Is like the
fandom world where they the fan the fans that create
hierarchies between them and other fans.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Like when you hear about.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Like people who will go to like concerts and then
start cutting or like you know, they take it upon
themselves that they're all.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Like moderator types.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
They're all like, well, I'm a better fan than you,
so I'm going to organize this little scenario. And I've
seen that at concerts where people will go and see
a band and then like get there super early to
run to the front of the barrier and then they're
like policing other people behind um.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And I love that they like speak on behalf of
the artists. They're like, you know, Jerry wouldn't want that.
Jerry lightly like know his personality and his desires, like
let's do this, Like Jerry wouldn't appreciate that, so like
cut it out. Let me let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Working at TCM for nineteen years, I saw this shit constantly.
And I'm not just saying with celebrities but also with
the channel, like people love TCM so badly that they're
doing this type of stuff and you're just sort of like,
I don't know, like this is kind of nutty to me,

(48:07):
and I don't think it's because I worked there, but
it was also like just kind of like it's it's
just like again the raw passion of people who.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Likes weird shit. I mean, the thing about.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Liking old celebrities and old movies. I mean, this is
not an everyday thing. And I used to tell people
that at my job. I used to be like, we
are in a bubble and when the minute you walk
out of this bubble, you will realize that nobody likes
black and white movies, Like we are the only nerds

(48:39):
that like this shit, and like, just be aware, be
aware of this because.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
It can get dark real fast. And oh my god,
that's so funny. I was thinking maybe we could end
this combo with just talking about a few other obsessed
fan movies.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Sure, some of the ones that were coming to mind.
And you know, I've talked about some of these movies
on I saw what you did.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Some of them, I have it.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I wish that we maybe will talk about them one day,
but I think, you know, one of the biggest ones
is probably Misery from nineteen ninety. We talked about Dr Fan,
which is the West German film from nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I feel like we should watch that. I only want
to watch, I know, but it's impossible to find. I mean,
it's not streaming anywhere. But we should do it. We
should do it. Actually, we should do it for a show.
We should. Yeah, I like that movie a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I used to like love this movie when I was
in college because I was a radio DJ. But Play
Misty for Me from nineteen seventy one with Clint Eastwood.
That's a that's a good one, kind of scary. Now
we've talked about Bona from nineteen eighty already. We brought
up Ingrid Goes West from twenty seventeen, which.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
That's a really good one because that's particular fandom on
social that's like being a fan of an influencer, which
I feel like is a different category altogether. Yes, for sure.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
And then I don't know if you remember Big Fan
from two thousand and nine with Pat and OLL's Oh yeah, yeah,
that's like a sports thing that's really interesting as well.
But I gotta tell you, I think my favorite is
the documentary I Think We're Alone Now from two thousand
and eight that featured the people that were obsessed with
Tiffany the sayer Tiffany.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Oh, I'm not familiar with this one.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Oh my god, you must watch It is fantastic. And
I'm not saying this because I was a huge Tiffany
fan when I was in elementary school, so it made
a little easier for me to digest because I was like, oh,
I loved Tiffany when I was sure, you know, in
fourth grade. But then you watch these This documentary is

(50:42):
so brilliant because it kind of allows the people that
are obsessed with her or just sort of like breathe,
like they give it a wide berth. So it's really
like they're putting themselves out there and they're showing you
who the how they love.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Who they love in a way that feels very dark.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
I will say, oh God, But if anybody who wanted
to become obsessed with our show us as individuals, you know,
we welcome it.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
You want to I want to be.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
What's your level? Okasey, what do you what do you want?
What do you want from your fans?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I want someone to come up and cut some of
my hair off. No, I'm joking. I don't want any
of this. Yes you do.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
You're like one of these like you would be like
sitting there like Jerry Langford being like, huh, candles. You
lit all these candles from me.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Interesting. You must really love me. Unless, Wow, this is
really strong duct tape. You really did a number here.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Oh my god. All right, Well, Game a comedy, fantastic film.
I'm glad we got to chop it up meet too.

(52:20):
All right, we have another segment that I like to
call film etiquette. Millie. We've talked about movie theater etiquette,
film watching etiquette in the past, and I feel like
people like talking about that stuff because it affects everyone.
Now I have a question for you. Okay. Now, imagine
you're in the theater and you're with someone. You're seeing

(52:42):
a movie with somebody, okay, and they go to the bathroom.
And this person you're with does not need to be romantic.
It can be a friend too. So this person goes
to the bathroom and then they come back. My question
to you is do you automatically tell them like, hey,

(53:05):
Tom cruise, he he got the bomb and he and
now he's bringing it to the FBI or whatever, Like
do you do you bring them up to speed immediately
or do you wait for them to say something to you? No,
I'm like, you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I don't want to talk to you. Like if you
ask me what happened, I might be like, I give
you like a couple of words, but I'm not going
to give you a beat by beat synopsis of the
things you missed.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
You aren't okay, So what if you're on a date
and you wouldn't do that to be like, hey, you
just missed this little part. I just wanted to want
to catch up to speed.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
No, I mean, listen, you and I are going to
have to deal with our own incontinence together for the
rest of our lives. Like you know, at the end
of the day, it's like you gotta like figure out
your peace schedule lest you miss a big part part

(54:09):
of the movie. And I would never ask you to catch.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Me, So you never ask when you come back from
the bathroom. You're not like, what happened?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Really, I'll maybe ask after the film. Listen, Casey, I'm
old school. I ain't trying to have a conversation in
a movie period.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
It's not a conversation. It's just like it's like ten seconds.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Because no, because it's so it's like you can't just
be like he died or whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Know something, if something important happened while the person you're with,
your friend, your lover is gone in the bathroom, don't
you want to be like, oh, by the way, this
person's evil. No, I'm gonna be no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I don't think that that is a requirement in a
relationship or other I really don't think that.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Would you be irritated if you were with someone and
they're like, what happened? Who's that? Guy? Depends on dude.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
If you were gone for a while and you miss
like entire sequences, there's no fucking way I'm catching you up.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
So if someone's taking a shit during a movie, you'll
catch him up. You're not going to catch him up.
But if it's just a pee break, you'll catch him up.
Is that what you're saying? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Perhaps, I mean I feel like if you're taking a dump,
you might as well just stay out.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I do feel like taking a dump during a movie,
you're you must be in bad shape because it does
really torpedo the movie going experience. You know, yeah, I'm
being gone for like seven to nineteen minutes depending I'm.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Telling you, like it's I don't feel like it's a
requirement to catch you up. I personally would never ask
you unless I mean, I guess.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It would be different. I don't know. I think it
is also conditional too, because what if you walk in
to a murder, Like what if you like walk into
the seat and you're like, somebody's getting stabbed in the
eyeball and you're like, holy fuck, when did that happen?
Like how did that happen? And then somebody was like
he died.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I'd be like, okay, fair enough, but I don't expect
you to be like, Okay, here's what happened. The minute
you left. This guy, you know, put on his trench
coat and he walked down the street and then he
turned a corner, and you know, I'm like, I don't
need all that, and I'm not giving you all that either,
but maybe like a word.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Or two in the.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Event of very extreme circumstance. But normally I usually ask
after the film, So what happened when I was in
the bathroom. Oh, there was like this whole thing where basically,
you know, there was a fantasy sequence that how came space.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
You know whatever. Like, I don't know what it feels
like you have an angle. It feels like you. I
don't have an angle. I have no angle. I'm just curious, right.
I Always when Tricia goes to the bathroom comes back, I'll.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Be like, this happened you say that without her asking you? Yes,
and that makes you a good partner or something.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
That's I don't think that's for me to decide. I
think that's what you're setting up.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Dog.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Well, I mean I think a good partner would do something.
So I'm just a selfish horrible wife. Yes, selfish horrible wife.
Oh my god. All right, well I think that answers
my question, my film medica question. Thank you for chatting
with me about that.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Well, now I want to know, like what our listeners think, yeah,
right in, I want to hear what you guys think
about that.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
What is your opinion if you have an opinion about it?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
All?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Right, now it is time for employees picks where we
talk about a movie. Let me take that again. Now
it's time for employees picks where we recommend a movie
based on what we talked about this week, and this
week I'm recommending a movie we've actually kind of discussed
at length on the show before, with The Softies, Remember Them,

(58:25):
Remember Them, The Wonderful The Softies, we talked about Rock
and Roll High School from nineteen seventy nine. I love
this movie so much, and it is you know, it's
about fandom. They're obsessed with the Ramones. But you know PJ.
Soul's character, Riff Randall, she is obsessed with the Ramones,

(58:46):
but you know what, she's also a songwriter. She's writing
her own lyrics, She's writing her own songs, and you
know she doesn't let being a fan of the Ramones
be her whole identity, you know. So I think that's
a really good lesson to learn. And I really love
in that movie that Clint Howard has an office in
a bathroom stall in the high school bathroom. I think

(59:09):
that's really funny. And I love this movie, rock and
Roll High School.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I love it too, Riferindal real rock and Roller PJ Souls?
Are you a fan of PJ Souls?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Come on? How could I not be? Love? PJ Souls?
Halloweens General high school.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
She's kind of like the prototype for my obsession with.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Women in ball caps. Have I talked about this? Oh yeah,
I could see that in meeting. See that my personal obsession.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I have a problem, dude, with hats, A problem with hats.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Period. You're addicted to hats or.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
As in I'm addicted to buying hats, Like, oh, I see,
I don't have like a ton of collections in my life,
Like I'm not, you know what I mean? Like you
know how some people collect like some people are like
collectors of a ton of stuff physical media, uh, you know,
like sneakers like.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Whatever, Like our friend Paul Rubins was an insane collector. Yeah,
if you saw the documentary, Yes, of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Course I have a problem with hats, Like I don't
know where it started, but it like I actually recently
purchased a hat that was extremely expensive that it made
me question my whole life, Like I was like, why

(01:00:46):
did I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Buy this hat?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
What's the most you pay for a hat? By the way,
I just want to throw those.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
The most I would pay for a hat seventy five bucks. Okay,
I paid seventy five bucks exactly. Wow, I got it exactly. Yeah, Wow,
I remember you know, my dear friend Patrick Mallin, co
host of the fart House podcast. He's a big collector,
and we were at tam o' shanter and he spent

(01:01:13):
a sizeable amount of money on a like collector goblet
because it was like their one hundredth anniversary at the
restaurant tam o Shanter in Los Angeles. And he I
saw in real time him question his his life, and
I think he was like, oh my god, I can't

(01:01:34):
believe I spent all this money on this goblet. He
was like, he kept saying, I want to lay down
on the freeway and stuff. Anyways, Oh yeah, I hate

(01:01:55):
okay collections. What's your employees pick? Oh god, dude, I
hate okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I'm gonna this is gonna be a roundabout employee pick
because I don't actually I don't know if I'm actually
recommending people watch this movie because this movie has.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Been watched much before. It's like I'm backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I'm recommending that you not watch this movie, but I
am recommending it still, I don't know how this works.
I actually think this that too many people have watched
this movie, if you know what I mean. And the
minute I say it you're gonna be like, of course.
So I recently heard the filmmaker writer Cameron Crow on

(01:02:42):
an episode of The Daily, which is the New York
Times podcast. It's like, I guess they did like a
weekend special where they bring in people and interview them
at length. And it's actually really interesting because I'm not
even sure if I've ever heard an extended audio interview
with Cameron Crow before, but it's like it was interesting

(01:03:03):
because he's extreme, he seemed extremely nice, and also he
seems like a journalist because it's like he almost like
knew how to be interviewed and knew how to be
a good interview subject because he had done interviews in
his life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Does that make sense he's a former journalist. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah, it's almost kind of like, you know, it's like
he he recognizes the game of the sure the patterer
and the you know, the tempo of an interview, and
he was a great interview because of that. He like
knows he doesn't just sit there and like not respond.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
He gets in there with you, right totally.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
So he was talking about his movies and then I
was like, you know what, this is a movie that's
sort of about fandom in a weird way. But Almost
Famous from two thousand?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Is that right? Sounds right? Come on, hold on, yeah two.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Thousand okay, And like I said, a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Of people have seen Almost Famous.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I mean, this is why we have an entire wing
of the vander Pump universe that has a fucking tattoo
on their bodies because of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I was gonna say, this is the movie that what
is it? The Sale a thousand Ships? I feel like
it really like, uh, it changed an entire generation of people.
It's all happening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Okay, sheenache, It's all happening. So yes, I feel like,
please don't watch this movie because so many people love
it too much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
It's kind of like Infinite Jest where it will kill
you if you watch it, or it's kind of like
The Ring Vha you will be changed if you watch it.
But it is a movie about fandom at the end
of the day, and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
It's about like basically it kind of are in a
weird way, like our little Glimpse into fandom, which is
that sometimes it's not good to be around the artists
that you like because it you will start seeing things
you don't want to see and you're going to start
like basically, once you go down the road of like

(01:05:14):
knowing how the sausage is made about bands or artists
or celebrities, you like, you can't put the sausage back
in the thing, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
The sausage casing, yeah, or the machine, the grinding machine. Yeah,
well I do think there's like, yeah, there's like kind
of an inherent power dynamic that gives one party a
lot more power over the other, and that's never good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Plus there's also you know, we haven't even talked about this,
but sort of the like groupie arm of fandom, which
that's a whole other podcast. Baby, we would have to
really go hard on that one and another time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, that's a different that's a different issue.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, But anyway, I recommended it because it's on the
for our episode and already listen to Cameron Crowe on
the Daily.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
It was interesting. I haven't seen almost Famous and so long.
I haven't seen a Cameron Crowe movie and so long.
Maybe I should go watch Jerry Maguire. I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Right now, Cameron Crowe, you know how I feel about
Tom Cruise. Camen Crowe almost possibly sold me on Tom
Cruise in that simple interview. The way that he spoke
about Tom Cruise was very interesting, and I was like,
you know what, maybe he's fucking right. Maybe he's not

(01:06:35):
a ridiculous person. Maybe he's uh, he's got more depth
than I ever thought.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Very good, Melly, I think that was a great that's
a great pick for this topic. You really did it.
Thank you. Kind of surprised me. I didn't think about
that one, but you got me. You did it well well,
so well, Nelly, that's our show. I can't believe it.
Another one in the books. If you'd like to send

(01:07:02):
us a film gripe, or if you'd like to tell
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Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
I will honestly comment on every review like you dropped
your crown, King, you know that sort of thing like
our life. Beef me up in the comments. Get them juice,
you know, make them feel like god.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Casey four and a half stars, what a wreck?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I mean, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I gotta put everything on my watch list, thank you, King.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Yeah, I mean, we did an episode a few episodes
back where we basically asked people to tell us nice,
nice things about us, and it really worked, so we
might do that again. Feature. Anyways, Millie, we're doing something.
I guess we can kind of announce this. We're doing

(01:08:34):
for all of October. We're doing all horror movies. Duh,
of course, No, Luke, I'm excited. I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I know you're a horror guy, so nice, right, Yeah,
so each week it's gonna everything's horror obviously for October
and then, but each week is kind of gonna be
like a different subsect of horror. Yeah, and so the
we're gonna kick it off next week with I think
you might have guessed it a twenty four horror.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Wow right on the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Pulse, the beating pulse of modern conversations. Yes, film, and
we are specifically going to talk about a movie called
Midsommer from twenty nineteen, and guess what, it's gonna be
a first time watch for your old girl, Millie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
This is huge news because I've actually seen this movie
three or four times. Yeah. I figured because I'm Swedishly,
you look the type to have seen Midsommer three or
four times.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, but I'm excited it's going to be great. I'm
excited too. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about a twenty
four because I know you have some opinions about a
twenty four and maybe the kind of people who like
a twenty four movies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
I would love to meet somebody who has no opinion
of a twenty four Where are you dear movie?

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Is that exactly right? Media talk. Where are you show yourself?
Marry me? You know this is gonna be a fun
month because I can kind of talk about my horror journey.
I'm a huge horror guy. We know this. But guess
what ten years ago I would have said, I actively

(01:10:17):
dislike horror. I've changed in the last ten years. I
know he was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
This is back when he was a Christian fundamentalist, and
he was part of that group that didn't allow its
members to watch anything other than the Teletubbies.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
That's right, didn't let We didn't celebrate Halloween. You couldn't
read Harry Potter. Uh, I don't know. Yeah, but anyways,
only Takink, only Tinky Winky. Actually Tinky Winky was the
gay one. So we didn't like. He carried a purse.
No man should carry a person. Way, no way, Lindsey
Graham would say, no. All right. On that note, we

(01:10:54):
did it. Bye Millie, Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by Me
Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye
Beker