Predator (1987)! Plus, Vera Drew!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, well, well, Casey O'Brien, I haven't seen you since
those days in Cambodia.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
A million of Jericho her there. Oh, how the hell
are you? Casey?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Fuck, never thought i'd see your fucking ass out here again.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Back at you, brother, Listen, I got a mission for you,
and I know that you're the only man in the
world who can tackle it.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
What do you say? Well, you know, I'm inn I
got my guys and we're ready to go. All right.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
The mission is very simple. It's gonna use all of
your strength, all of your resources, and all of your weapons, but.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I know you can do it.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
We're gonna jump out of this helicopter down into the
jungles and I need you to rescue these four hostages
for me, bring them back to America where they could
be free.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
As good as done, my man, Let's go, go, go, go, go,
go go go go go. Get your men over here.
Let's go and go. H what MILLI? What is this?
What are you? What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
You just you just let us to a room looks
like kind of like a podcast studio with like a
zoom call and like a podcast micro what's going on? Listen?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
My friend, my brother in arms. I couldn't just you know,
tell you. I had to come up with the circumstance
that would entice you down here to this. You know,
we're very boring studio with very little on the walls
and just a bunch of computer equipment, because the actual

(02:00):
mission is that you're gonna have to record a podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Dear Movies. I love you, oh man Millie. I was
all excited about the hostage thing. I got all these guys,
these big muscle guys, and I got a bunch of
grenades and stuff, and you want me to record a podcast. Listen.
I'm a bummer.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm not telling you you can't use the grenades. I
do think though, that you're gonna have to put the
rocket launcher out in the parking lot. We can't have
that kind of weaponry in the building.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
They're gonna be the guys are gonna be so disappointed.
They're really looking forward to this. It's listen, It's beyond me.
It's a cod thing. Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I know I can't help it, but I mean, what
was I supposed to do? You were chopping your cigar.
You had guys in the in the helicopter that were
carving things into their leg with bowie knives. I mean,
I couldn't just be like, hey, you want to record
a film podcast with me?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh, you could have just asked me up front. I
would have done it. I do these every week. It's fine.
I just was excited about like going into the jungle
and stuff. I don't know, I just thought you saw
me as more of a you know, a manly man
than just a you know, a stupid pathetic podcaster. But
I hated lying to you. But well it didn't feel
good being lied to, really frankly. So well, I mean,

(03:21):
we have a good show, I guess. You know, let's
go to say.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now that you're here, do you want to you know,
maybe talk about about an incredible eighties action movie.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, yeah, let's do it. I'm excited. I'm back in.
I'm excited to record.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
So okay, well you can hopefully your guys will understand
they can go get something to eat while in record.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Hey, guys, you can you can head out where you
can listen to subscribe. You can listen to this later,
but we don't need you right now.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, well, you and I are going to talk a
little bit about a classic film from the nineteen eighties.
The name of it is Predator nineteen eighty seven, and
we're both completely strapped strapped.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have seen every Predator movie, have you, So I'm
gonna rank them.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's fantastic because I have not seen every Predator movie,
so I can school you on that. No, I'm excited
by that because I have an interest after rewatching this.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And then we have a very exciting guest for my
area of expertise. It is the writer, director, editor, and
actor of the People's Joker, Vera Drew, and she's on
to talk about her area of expertise, which is the archetype,
the character of quote the woman with no name. We'll
get into that more when we talk to her, but

(04:48):
I will say she does talk about Predator in the conversation.
And we didn't even know she was going to be
on the Predator episode. That was just that was just
lucky podcast magic. That's right.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
That was Oh man, she's so cool. It's gonna be
a treat for you guys. So listen, stay tuned. It's
gonna be a meaty episode. You're listening to. Dear Movies,
I Love you.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Whoops, dearvies, I Love you, and I've got to know
you love me too. Check the books.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Hey, y'all, this is Dear Movies, I Love You. It's
a podcast for those who are in a relationship with movies.
My name is Millie to Jericho.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
And my name is Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
And yes, we are in the throes of November. We're
recording this what like a week before it airs. Can
I just tell you that I am exhausted. The World
Series is over by now we have a winner. And
I will say, though about the Dodgers. First of all,

(06:10):
like they were maligned a lot this year, and I
don't know why. I think maybe because of the salary
cap conversation stuff, and then just general hate for teams
that have a lot of great players and have a
vibe right. And I'm a fan, but I'm also a

(06:30):
critical fan, and so I listened to those criticisms from
people saying that the Dodgers are they spend too much money,
they're too powerful, and gotta get got to get rid
of them.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I will say, though, they're a spreed. Decorps is so good.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
And when Freddy did that walk off Homer in the
eighteenth and ay, they had played for so long and
he was being hugged by his manager, Dave Roberts, full body,
not at like one of these like two straight guys
that don't know how to hug. They were like, it
was a very warm embrace. And that's the thing about

(07:08):
their team that I love is that they celebrate each other.
They're friendly, they're funny, they care about each other. They're
tender as straight guys that play sports. And I just
said it out. I was like, you know what, it
was a good.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
There's an undeniable team vibe that goes beyond the money.
I agree, you know, And also other teams have just
as much money, but the Dodgers organization is just the
smartest organization and they have the most money, or a
lot of money, I should say, so I kind of
don't buy those arguments. And also I will say the

(07:45):
Toronto Blue Jays they have like the third or fourth
most highest payroll. Let me look that up real quick,
but they have they have a really high payroll too.
They're not like it's not like the day of Minnesota
Twins up there. Yes, you know, the Blue Jays have
the fifth highest payroll. The Dodgers have the second highest payroll.
So yeah, well, there you go, there you go anyway, Well,

(08:08):
way to defend your boys.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I just wanted to say it, and that's why. If
I'm a little loopy during this Predator episode, it's because
I'm extremely tired.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And we're being hunted by the predator. That too. Duh, Millie.
Let's open up our film diary and read our passages
from the last week. Cut chunk, cut chunk. Indeed, do
you want to go first? Sure? I think I watched

(08:39):
like eight movies Chasus, so I'm not going to go
through all of them, but I'm going to point out
a few that excited me. Sure. Number one, I want
to talk about Ken Russell. Do you know that director
Ken Russell gave me a break? She's rolling her? Who

(09:01):
doesn't know Ken Russell? Come on, he did movies like
what are some of his big hits, Layer of the
White Worm.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, I mean, There's Devils, the Devil's Letstomania.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Actually that is not a big wist Tomania.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
That is not a big Ken Russell movie at all.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think he did Tommy the Who's Tommy? Anyways? He's great.
I saw a movie called Altered States from nineteen eighty.
This is on the Criterion Channel. Man William Hurt plays
a scientist who's trying to get to the depths of
human consciousness and he goes so far that he begins
to mutate and it's cool. I liked it a lot.

(09:43):
Are think you're going to remake that movie or have
they remade? I don't know. I don't know. It could
be good. It's sexy too.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Speaking of sexy, have you seen Ken Russell's Crimes of
Passion with h No, I haven't. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Liked Alter States a lot. Then I watched a movie
almost as good, lawnmower Man Too Beyond cyber Space. Now.
My wife Tricia has gotten really into lawnmower Man for
some reason, and we watched the first one and I
thought it was good. It's like a good cyberpunk movie.

(10:17):
That's what we watched the second one. This one isn't
as good, but it's fun. It's like a it feels
like a Disney version of Blade Runner, kind of dystopian
cyberspace cyberpunk kind of stuff. But I enjoyed it. Okay, okay.
Then I watched the John Carpenter two thousand and one

(10:39):
movie Ghosts of Mars with Natasha Henstridge, Pam Grier, your boy,
Jason Statham. Yeah, and this was everything I wanted in
more was it. I've never seen it. It's goofy as
hell it is. I thought it was. If I saw

(11:00):
this when I was a kid, I would have been scared.
It's the future. People are living on Mars and they're
transporting a criminal, which is ice Cube, and they get
to this like small town that's been totally slaughtered and
it's because there was this ancient civilization that used to
live on Mars, and the ghosts of that civilization had
started taking over people's bodies and making them go loco. Okay,

(11:24):
I thought this was fun. It was violent, it was
kind of scary. It's goofy. It's everything you want from
a John Carpenter movie. Fantastic. And then last night we
watched Megan two point zero. I liked the first Meghan
and you did not. No, I didn't. Okay, that's fun. Well, okay,

(11:45):
let me let me rewind. I feel like.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I'm glad it exists. A lot of people had a
lot of fun with it. It was fun. I, you know,
was annoyed that.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It was PG.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thirteen, but I get what it's PG thirteen at the
same time, so I thought it was going to be
a lot more violent, and I wanted it to be.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I wanted it to be very violent. But I get it.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You want to bring those kiddies in, and.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
These teens they I feel like that that trend is
actually ending where people were like, make a horror movie
and make it PG thirteen so that the teens will
go see it. I just feel like the movies that
do well, the R rated horrors, like Your Weapons and Sinners,
those are doing so much better than those kind of
teeny bopper horrible But like.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Get real, when I was thirteen, I didn't want to
see a thirteen year old's movie.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I wanted to see.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Goddamn cannibal Apocalypse or whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, cannibal Holocaust. Well, an apocalypse. There's actually I
wasn't familiar with the Apocalypse.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Listen, there's I could I could lay in all that
Cannibal fair Ox. There's also Cannibal fair Ox. It's a
lot of cannibal blank.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Movies out there, by the way.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But it's like, I part of the joy of being
a teenager is getting, you know, sneaking into like adult
movies and watching some shit that isn't for me.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
And again, maybe.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's just a generational thing, to be honest, because you know,
my generation, the chan exers, we were constantly trying to,
you know, do things that we weren't allowed to do
now and knowing this era of I don't know, you
can speak to it parenthood. They're a lot more involved
in their kids' lives and they don't want them to see,

(13:33):
you know, a Joe Demato movie or whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I think parents now are like, they're too friendly
with their children. They've become too like their pals.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I was never pals with my parents. That's why I
would sneak R rated movies and watch Starship Troopers at
my friend's house, you know. So, I don't know. Yeah,
it's a different it's a different thing. It's like Johnny
Pemberton said, people who want approval of their parents. It's
a disease.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
That was literally one of the greatest h takes I
think we've ever had on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But yeah, anyway, I hear you, I hear you. This
is a larger conversation. I know, my dear friend Patrick Mallin,
he hates when a movie isn't violent enough and he
wants it to be more. So I understand that, but
I would say, Megan two point zero is actually more
of a action movie and so it kind of it's

(14:28):
not a horror movie. I would say, okay, okay, And
there's a lot more Brian Jordan Alvarez, which I love.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, he's great, and I maybe I'll take it again
if you ask me to come over to your house
and we just want to have a chill movie night
and you're like, let's watch Megan two point Oh, I'm
gonna do it. I'm never gonna I'm never gonna not
sit in front of a movie. But you know, I
generally the whole I guess I'm talking really about the
Megan fanfair. Just generally, I thought, yeah, what a great

(14:56):
opportunity to go like really hardcore. But yeah, you do
want it to be like Child's play, Yeah, but it's not.
Yeah anyway, Okay, what else?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
That's all I got. That's it. No, I don't I
have other ones, but I don't want to go into them.
They're not worth your time. Millie. Wow, I can't believe
you or our listeners time. Well did you log them
on letterbox? They're on there. Follow me, Yeah, Casey Leo Brown.
I was gonna say, go to our letterbox.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
It's usually like if we don't talk about them, at
least you know that we logged them.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I only watched two movies this week, hit me.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
One of them was basically cleared up some paperwork from
a couple episodes ago when I recommended this movie but
didn't recommend this movie.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Do you know what I'm saying? Hmm, uh so I did.
I don't remember that what this was, but.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Well, I told people to watch the two thousand movie
Almost Famous. We were talking about fans, fan films or
movies about fans, and I was like, don't watch this
movie because this movie has been seen enough. It's been
it seemed into the culture enough. And then it was
on TCM one night very recently, and I was like,

(16:07):
fuck it, I'm just gonna sit in front of Almost Famous.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I just talked about it, man, I don't like that movie.
Who sorry? And this is shots fired.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I know because I actually talked to a good friend
of mine, Patrick, not the Patrick that you know, another
Patrick that I'm friends with, who's also a huge movie
fan here on the East Coast and he's younger than me,
and this was such a like flashpoint movie for a
certain generation. And I talked to him about it because
I was like, oh, I know, people your age like

(16:44):
really love this movie.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And I and I remember when it came out.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I watched it and was like, Okay, cool, you know,
being that I'm a big fan of Cameron Crowe. But
I was like, man, this movie kind of sucks.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Like it wow.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I thought most characters were annoying, although I will say
that I actually thought Kate Hudson was great okay, and
she for her like, for her whole role which sort
of gets tucked into like the mannic Pixie dreamgirl trope
a little bit, she was surprisingly not annoying and believable

(17:22):
and great, and she wasn't like too you know, like
sparkly darkly like.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
She was very like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Know, believable in that kind of role that she was playing.
And she's very cute and I loved it. And I
will say there was a couple of other like God,
I was like, Francis McDorman, this must be my age,
because now I'm like, poor Francis McDormand stressed out that
her sons on the Road with rock Stars, but I

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love her, and every time they cut to her freaking
out on the phone, I was like, I see you,
I understand.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And then I generally.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Think that like I don't know, I don't know what
they were evoking with the Billy Crudup character. He kind
of reminded me of a seventies James Taylor during you know,
two Lane Blacktop, which I appreciated. I thought he looked great,
but like everybody else, that movie annoyed the shit out
of me. Jason Lee just drove me fucking really.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
You know, God, I haven't seen this movie in so long.
It's it was such a cultural thing. It was such
a big movement.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yes, and I don't I get listen. I get why,
but I also am like, ugh, anyway, now sorry.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I get it. I get it. I I think it
might it's definitely worth revisiting, but I haven't seen it since,
like I want to say, came out in two thousand.
I think I don't think i've seen it since Then's.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
To be honest, exactly when the last time I saw it,
And that's why I was like, I gotta watch it again.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
And that's so you're officially revoked. That was it your
actual staff pick?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
It was my staff pick.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Okay, So is it is that being revoked or like,
are you no? Because I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I want people to form their own opinions about it, obviously,
I'll better recommend that people see it.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm just saying I sort of liked it when it
came out, and now I just don't like it.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's my revision. I think I related to it because
it was like about a square, non free spirit having
to hang out with a bunch of free spirited, annoying people,
and I related to the boy. Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I wanted to be able to do that, but I
just it was just too corny for me.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I hear you, I hear you. What else?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Well?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
The only the only other movie I saw drastically different
than the one I just mentioned is that. So over
the weekend, I was in Washington.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
D C.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
And the district the district correct, And I was invited
to Washington, D C. By Actually, I want to shut
them out. I want to shut them out by name?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Is that? Okay? Ye? Names Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I was invited by Steven Miller. He really wanted to
talk about almost famous with me.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
So I was invited to the George Washington University. Uh,
I was invited by I know, I was fantastic. I
was invited by Ivy and Menley, who were part of
the Visiting Artists and Scholars Committee, which is basically a
group at g DUB that brings people in to speak

(20:35):
to students about, you know, stuff. And they asked me
to come and speak to a group of art history
students about my career and my podcast and my work.
And it was very flattering, and of course I said yes.
So I did a little presentation. I swear I bored
them to tears. But they were very nice and said

(20:55):
it was very enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's great. Yeah, gets new podcast listeners, you think, I hope.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
So they were really sweet. They took me to dinner afterwards.
I got to talk to them about their So a
lot of them were in grad school, so I got
to talk to them about grad school. We all talked
about they a lot of them because there aren't history
majors want to work in the museum world. And I
talked to them about my two failed attempts at joining

(21:22):
the museum world myself.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And that they laughed about it.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So Yeah, it was a great time, and they were
so nice. They took such good care of me. They
sent me a note when I got back to be like, hey,
hope your trip went well and you know, thank you
so much.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Like it was so sweet. They were so great. That's
so cool. So that's awesome. Yeah, they're so lucky to
have you.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Million.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh you're sweet.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I felt like I I was like I should not
be here. I was having a poster syndrome. But they
were really really kind. But while I was in DC,
I spent an extra day hanging out with friends and
I went to see so they were doing Noir City, which,
if you don't know, Noar City, it's an annual festival

(22:07):
that's put on by my old coworker, Eddie Muller, who's
the Tzar of Noir, and it's basically like a little
mini film festival. It's all noir films. And my friends
and I went to see Detour from nineteen forty five
at Noir City at the AFI Silver Springs Theater and

(22:27):
it is a short movie, which is fantastic. I mean
it's like Tetsu of.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
The Iron Man length. It's like an hour and eight
minutes or something, and it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I haven't seen Detour in a long time, and it's,
you know, like a noir about a guy who was
trying to travel across country to get to his girlfriend
but then gets caught up in all these like weird
strangers who you know, basically at some point try to
blackmail him.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So it's very it's very fun. Cool. Yeah, amazing. I
gotta check that out. Yeah, that's it. That's my film diary.
All right, let's close it up.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Get out of here, Get the fuck out, all right, everybody,
we are back to talk about Predator from nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Hoo boy. This is directed by John McTiernan and it
was written by Little Jim and John Thomas Little Brother
screenwriting duo Little. It's kind of fun. Some cataloging. This
is an action science fiction horror movie. Some of the themes
are military stuff, aliens, cold War, maybe even a little

(23:51):
some standout actors. Well, we got our man, Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Carl Weathers, Bill Duke, see the body Ventura, my former
governor fellow Minnesota. Hey, we're good at that. I've had
to hear him talk a lot in my life. Famous
quotes I ain't got kind to bleed get to the Choppa,

(24:16):
You're one ugly motherfucker. Any others stand out to you?
I mean there's so many, you know what, there's so many. Well,
maybe we'll get you know what.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I realized Rewatching Creditor after a very long time. This
is such a memorable movie.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Don't you think is such a memorable movie? Has been mean?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I mean the handshake of Arnold and Carl Weathers that
was memed so much.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh yeah, I even memed it like at one point,
wow in my own life, but I I but also
just like the phrases and everything. It's like like if
you if you haven't seen it at all and you
watch it, you're gonna be like, oh fuck, everybody says
like this.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, which maybe we'll get to this later made the
Shane Black character so annoying because I feel like his
character was like trying to get in on the fun,
but he couldn't keep up, and I find him kind
of annoying in general. Shane Black, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, you wrote in your notes that you don't like him,
and I was like, wow, how I guess I never
really think about him, but I do like his the
movies that he wrote, and.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I like Lethal Weapon. I do not like kiss Kiss
Bang Bang. I did not like his Predator movie that
he wrote and directed. I didn't really like the nice guys.
There's probably some more I should see. Have you never
seen the Long Kiss at Night? I've never seen that one.
That shit is fucking I just think he thinks he's

(25:51):
so funny, he's so clever. I don't know. He just
bugs me.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Damn, dude like Shane Blacks are gonna chomp cigars in
each other's faces and start cussing each other out.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
At some point, I'll meet him out in them film streets.
Is that just too hot of a take? I don't know. No,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Listen, nothing shocks me anymore, literally nothing.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I don't want him. I don't want him to send
the Predator after me. Millie, what's your personal connection to
this movie? Do you have one?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Go?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
There? You go with that contay, Tell me about your
personal connection to this movie.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Nobody knows this, but before we started the episode, Casey
made me laugh in such a deep, fucked up way
that I was crying.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I had to get up. I had to get up
and walk in the other road. She was gone for
like fifteen minutes. I was worried.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I was I felt like, basically to put my guts
back in my body. I was laughing so hard. But
like today, I don't know what it is. You're doing
your thing.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
You're doing that accent.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Every time you asked me that question like that, I
always always think Jimmy Click.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Always. I love Jimmy Click so much. My personal connection,
that's what your personal connection.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I just found that I really gravitated towards arnoldchwartznigger, and
I just like, and I know again, I always had
to covey on it because it's like, I don't know, he's.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
A Republican and people like hate him or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
But I'm just like, and that's fine. I mean, that
is a totally rational argument. But it's like as a
as somebody who kind of came late to the action game.
But I was still kind of a college person, college
age person.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I don't know. I was like, yo, that guy's a star,
and he was a star. I mean you you say,
you say gravitating towards him as something unusual. I mean
all of America in the world did, yeah, And I
don't know why. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I feel compelled to like sort of say, oh, sorry, everybody,
but I love fucking Arnold in the eighties in nineties,
and again it was also part and party of just
everything that else that he's done that I absolutely love,
like total recall and especially you know, my one of
my top movies of all time Terminator to Judgment Day.
So it's funny because even though that stuff, he was

(28:13):
an actual huge world movie star at that time, but
then these movies that he did in the eighties were
kind of the ramp up to all that, right, So
like Commando, which is I think is fantastic one of
my favorite eighties action movies, and then Predator, which I
feel like is I don't know what you would think,
like his one of his other big movies besides the

(28:34):
first Terminator. Like, like, if you were going to rank
eighties Arnold.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Movies, what would it be? Yeah, I was gonna ask, Yeah,
I was going to talk to you about your kind
of favorite Arnold performances. But I think in terms of
ranking eighties Arnold movies, now, did T two come out
in the eighties or is that a ninety?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
That do you count that?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
No?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Because I feel like that to me and I think
it's because I saw it in the nineties. It feels
like an absolute nineties movie. But let me level check.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Judgment day was ninety one and total recall was ninety.
I guess the only Eighties Arnold movies I've seen are
the First Terminator, Predator, and Commando. So you didn't see
the Conan movies at all. I didn't see the Conan movies.
Now I thought Cony. But I love all three of
those movies. I think those are all three great movies

(29:24):
that have stood the test of time. And I feel
like there was sort of this rivalry between Sylvester Stallone
and Arnold in the eighties where they kind of went
back and forth. But if you look at like the
Sylvester Stallone movies, I think those have not stood the
test of time in the way that Arnold's movies have.
I think he had higher highs than Stallone too. Maybe

(29:46):
that is tiring to a person and they don't want
to pursue it as much. Yeah, and well, and.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I definitely think that the Sylvester thing is going to
come back up when we talk about Predator, because obviously
I feel like we're eighties action movies have kind of
a connection to the Vietnam era, which we'll talk about later.
But yeah, I mean, I will say that like Predator
is one of, if not one of the best Arnold
movies in his filmography. It's definitely one of the best

(30:12):
eighties action movies he did. And I don't know so
and I just love like his shit. I just love
the vibe of like his tough guy shit. It's somehow
like not as aggressive as like other action stars are.
It doesn't feel as oppressively. He has kind of an
undercurrent of I don't know, like there's.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Something about him that's like I wish I didn't have
to be violent. Yeah, you know, there's like a peacefulnes
He's like, I don't like this.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, and I just I you don't know, it's like
when you I watched the Artold documentary when it came
out not too long ago, And yeah, maybe it is
because he's European. There's something different about him. But anyway,
that's that's my personal connection to Predator. And I haven't
seen Predator in a really long time.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
So my personal connection. I have recently watched every Predator
movie prior to us deciding to even do this episode.
Oh fantastic, like I would say, maybe two years ago. Wow,
I watched all of them. Yeah, I don't know why,
I just did. And I had a great time. And

(31:18):
listen to the end of our conversation to hear my
definitive rank. Should I get into the synopsis, yes, of
course of this movie. Okay, So Alan dutch Schaeffer played
by Arnold Swarzenegger. He goes by Dutch. He runs an
elite military rescue team and they don't do assassinations. They

(31:40):
are hired by an old pal al Dylon played by
Carl Weathers. They're hired by him to rescue a local
cabinet minister. I'm not sure what that means, but they
refer to that in the movie a few times. A
local cabinet minister whose helicopter was shot down in a
Central American jungle and he's now hostage to gorillas. So
they go in. They absolutely blow up this gorilla encampment.

(32:05):
And his team is great. It's got Jesse Ventura, Bill Duke,
Shane Black, like we mentioned, all these manly men, and
they're great and they're funny. But they blow up this
gorilla encampment and they find out there's no cabinet minister
that was all a ruse and a lie. This is

(32:27):
like a Soviet sponsored group that was going to take
over this area, and Carl Weather's tricked Arnold into taking
it out to prevent this invasion because Arnold would not
have said yes otherwise. Arnold is pissed. They end up
taking one of the surviving gorillas, Anna is her name,

(32:49):
played by Elpdia Carrillo. But also they discover while they're
doing this that there were like other people who were
going to go take out this gorilla encampment but were killed,
skinned and hung upside down, but by whom they don't know.
So that's kind of the beginning of the movie is

(33:11):
a little confusing with the deception with Carl Weathers.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I thought, yeah, which we try to replicate it and
are open to yes, questionable success, but so okay. Part
of what I love about these types of like action
movies that feature like groups of guys, yes, is the
kind of cataloging I guess if you will, of like

(33:38):
the different personality types in the group. And it cracks
me up because it's like, you you know, there's like
such tropes in some of these things, like for example,
one of the guys is Little Cadre or whatever. Is
this guy Billy who is played by the actor Sonny Lanham,
and he's like two me. It's clear that he's like

(34:01):
the indigenous character that has like spiritual powers, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's he's a tracker.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, he's you know, Native American, I believe, I'm not
actually sure actually is it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yes, he is one eighth Seminole descent and half Cherokee descent.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
But then they use him in that way where it's
basically he's like able to like track spirits and things,
and it's just kind of like I don't.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Know, like in a way kind of like okay, we
get it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
And then well then you have so then you have Rick, right,
which is the Shane Black character your faith, who is
like the guy making the pussy jokes and he's a
real you know, funny guy with glasses and you know,
no everybody blows him off because he's a dork. Right.
And then yeah, I mean you've got on the other

(34:52):
side of the equation the body Jesse right mm hm,
who is all testosterone aggression, you know, dropping like f bombs,
like chewing tobacco, you know, talking about is big dick
type of thing, right, Yeah, and it's just as funny

(35:15):
because he's like, Oh, what a bunch of guys and
a helicopter about to be dropped in Central America. But yeah,
so you're like world building, right, and then you're.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Like, oh, Dutch aka Arnold is like their leader, and.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
You know, like they've managed to stick together all throughout
the years and they've got.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Like they're the best brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
They're not expendable, right, which is something that is a
runner through the film. But I want to know what
it feels like because I mean, I certainly as a woman,
are like looking at this like laughing, But what is
it like for maybe you as a guy, and maybe
even when you were a younger guy to see this

(35:57):
type of masculinity.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, it's interesting. I am such a different I wrote
in my notes, I don't think I'd fit in with
this group if they're all attle lunch table. I don't
know if I'd be sitting at that table.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
You're trying, You're trying to tell me that none of
these guys had Garden Stay posters up in their bedrooms.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
If they did, they would you know, hopefully confide in
me and feel safe telling me that secret. But you
know it's I am just like a different species. I
am like a smaller guy. I'm five seven, so I've
always been like small and I've had to I've never
had any chance of like squaring up physically with another guy.

(36:36):
You know, I've certainly been in situations where I've almost
gotten into a fight and I've had to escape because
it would be bad, like for me, what do you
mean escape? Like?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Because you remember you told the story at the restaurant
where the guy grabbed.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Bike and call me a cocksucker. Yes, it's a lot
of people grab my call. That happens a lot. So
I was at a bar one time and the Daily
Pint in Santa Monica, and I was closing on my check.
I not had a few, but this guy was like
move over and I was like closing on my check.
I'm standing like shoulders shoulder with people at the bar
and then he goes fucking move over and he grabs me,

(37:14):
and I was like ah, And so I like ran
away from him back to my group of friends, and
I was like, this fucking guy over here was telling
me to move over, and he heard that, and as
I was leaving, he grabbed me again. He goes, I
heard what you were saying, you motherfucker, But then my
bigger friends grabbed him, So I was lucky in that situation.

(37:37):
So I mean, it's a lot of things like that
where I'm like a cowardly So that is.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So insane to hear somebody say that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, but I think, you know, being a man is
a little bit different you do. When you walk around
in the world, you do feel a little more like
you have to be. Men can be kind of like
more aggressive towards you, like whether they like she'll hit
you with their shoulder, just like walking down the street

(38:06):
to kind of just be like what's up. You know,
Like stuff like that happens a lot as a man
out in the world, and I've always had to I
can't fight someone. I just can't. It can't happen, you know,
and because I would be killed. So I've always been
felt like an other to that type of masculinity, you know.

(38:29):
So it just it does. It feels foreign to me too,
I guess, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, let me tell you, Casey, I think it's time
if you ever found yourself in another situation where you
got grabbed by some drunk dude at a bar. I
think the time will come when me and Tony Goldwin
will show up to wherever you're at. I will grow
my nails out super long, just because it feels like

(38:55):
I should do that, and we'll just fight these motherfuckers
at the bar.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
We'll throw them. I think guy big. There's a certain
type of guy that doesn't like a small little guy
and they want to beat him up when they see him.
Like I remember one time I was walking a Echo
park and a guy just came out of a bar
and just ran up to me and was like boom
and punched me right in the stomach and was kind
of like what's up. And I was like, oh my god,

(39:22):
So wow, I don't know. Well, you can imagine what
they think about women, Yes, I can very easily. Well
I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
And but that is an interesting thing for me because
it's it does feel like, I don't know, it feels
like either like in my experience with like my guy friends,
either that they run away from movies like this, or
they kind of like weirdly embrace them in a kind
of like ironic way, or something like.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's kind of like they know.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
The masculinity is over the top and it's kind of
like cartoonish in a way, and that's kind of what
Predator feels like to me. It feels like these like
guys are just hyper mass hyper like I mean, kind
of just ridiculous at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
But that's what makes everyone's everyone muscles look incredible. Like
Carl Weathers's arms and chest. I was like, oh my god,
he looks like a cartoon he Man character, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And I want to talk about the meme, the famous
meme of the two of the Like, because it happens
very early on in the film where it's basically like
Carl Weathers meets Arnold in the office or whatever, and
they're like, what's up, brother, and like the two they
look like two.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Pigs on a spit, like just these.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Two arms come into the frame and like their shirts,
their tighters are like hooking the curves of their muscles,
and it's just you just see these two guys, like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
What a great directing choice we needed actually a two
shot of just their arms.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But it's like, to me, I love that that became
memes because it just was like it was a ridiculous shot,
like in a moment where you're like, oh fuck, that
is crazy how it's focused on their arms. It's so
weird to say, but funny and funny is what.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I kind of mean by that. But yeah, anyway, it's
cartoonish for that reason. But it's also cartoonish like when
they go into like quote unquote save these hostages, they
blow this place up to like I'm like, I can't
believe this scene is still going on, Like how much,
how many explosions, how many people are being shot with
like machine guns. I was like, how would any hostage

(41:32):
survive this situation?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
We got to talk about this because I actually did
a little bit of research on this. So in the
film Jesse, the body right has what they nicknamed old
Painless Okay, which is what like and I don't know
if I'm actually saying this right, but it's it's a
weapon that is called the M one thirty four mini gun.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Now, from what I've read, this gun, it was typically
on airplanes, Like this was like a thing that you
know because basically if you see it, you know what
I'm talking about. It's basically like a huge gun that
has you know, this like rotating chamber that has like

(42:19):
a bunch of holes in it, and it's like they
used it in Terminator too as well.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, it's like it would be on the back of
a plane, someone holding it with two hands, like shooting
down planes that kind of thing. That's what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, and it's basically like shoots like twenty thousand rounds
per second or something.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's like just.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
An absolute killing, destroying machine. And according to what I
read too, it's actually impossible to carry this gun as
a human being, Like it's only meant for uh, further machines, right,
but that they changed it for the film or something
that he was able to carry it because think about

(42:58):
this or like trapes think through the jungle, covering a
lot of ground, and this guy's carrying this humongous mini
gun as if he's you know, it's just kind of
like a little baby rifle or something. And listen, I
am no authority on guns, but I always think whenever
I see something like this, because now these this gone

(43:20):
has been in other films, I'm like, it's just so
unbelievably ridiculous that it gets used in movies. Like I'm
just like, this is so fucking ridiculously cartoonishly stupid. And
the minute I saw him take that shit out, I
was like, there's no way any of these, any of
these hostages are alive.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
They killed they just decimated the entire forest.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
The forest has blown to smithereens.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Dude, Yeah, I mean it is like laughable. I mean,
we haven't invoked this name yet, but the beginning of
Magruber is essentially very similar to this movie. The beginning
of this movie, like the way they'mble the team and
the amount of guns and stuff they have. But the
Grouper is brilliant. As we've got up both on a record. Okay,

(44:10):
I'm gonna keep moving on here with the plot. So
they've taken out this gorilla encampment, but they don't know
that they are being hunted by an alien. The titular
predator is following them. Now he has a cloaking device,
so he's invisible, you can't see him, but he's been

(44:31):
watching them the whole time, and he starts kind of
picking guys off as they're sort of escaping through the jungle.
They kill Hawkins played by Shane Black. I add parenthetically,
thank god he kills Jesse Ventura and now they're like, oh, fuck,
there's something out there. That's what Bill Duke is like, Oh,

(44:53):
there's like an alien out there. I saw some weird
thing kill Jesse Ventura and and uh, we got to
figure out what's going on with this fucker. You know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Bill Duke is my favorite character in this movie, by
the way.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yes, and now you said you asked the question, why
is Bill Duke shaving? Yeah? Do you know? No, that's
kind of his tick. This is a very sweaty movie.
Everyone is like so wet, it is so unbelievable. He
just has a little plastic bick shaver and it's just
sort of constantly shaving. I was like, is he microblading?

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Like you remember in vander Pump Rules where everybody used
to make fun of Tom Sandible for shaving his forehead.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
I don't remember that, but oh my god, so basically
every for years when that show was kicking, you know,
Tom Sandivil, one of the characters in Vander Peppers Rules,
used to shave basically do what Bill Duke's doing. And
he takes a razor and he just starts shaving his forehead.
Everybody's like, what is he doing that? For and it's
really like micro blading, which is a you know, kind

(46:01):
of popular thing to do. It wasn't popular, I don't
think of the eighties.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I think you could only really do it at like
if you were going to go get facials or something.
But it was like it's basically kind of peeling away.
It's it's basically taking blade and kind of peeling away
all the little baby hairs, but also like kind of
like the dead.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Skin off the surface of your.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Face, and so when you're done, you look all fresh
faced and gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And so there's this.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Moment where I was like, is Bill Duke just you know,
trying to keep his skin looking good out here?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
And I don't know what's he's shaving for. It doesn't
make sense out in the jungle. Yeah, that's a great question. Uh,
seemed just kind of like a little character tip. I
don't know, what do you think what Millie, what do
you think of the Predator as a villain? He doesn't
come into the movie to like it feels like a
third of the way in the movie. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
This is the thing about all these movies that we've
done recently, is that the ones that the ones that
I haven't seen in a really long time.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Like I always assume that the lead character, the villain,
comes in a lot earlier. I thought that with Hell
Raiser two, you know, it's like that whole like, oh,
I thought Pinhead was in the movie. No, I thought
that Predator would have showed up way earlier, but didn't.
And it's like not even like he shows up, but
it's not his full reveal yet. It's like his little glob,

(47:24):
his little glob.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
So you want to know what I think about Predator
as an alien? Yeah? Like I guess would you compare
him to like others like killers like Michael Myers or
Freddy or is he like more like the alien what
the zen?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
You know? Yeah, like a he's more of a creature
and not a human.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, I guess it's.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
More of a Actually I don't know, because here's the
thing about Predator that I always always used to throw
me off.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Dreadlock Right, pre has dreads. He doesn't, which I'm kind
of like.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Somebody had to do those dreads, right, That's true, I
mean that's what I assumed. So I'm like, is he human?
Like he's getting his.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Hair done right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
But Also he's from space. He's obviously hiding himself. And yeah,
to that point, this is the thing that I always
thought was so fucked up about Pretter is that, in
a very baseline way, he would be impossible to kill,
right under normal circumstances, if.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
You were not inexpendable, if you were not.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Arnold in his cadre of hyper macho dudes, right, he
could never be killed.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
No one would ever know he was there.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And he's just like shooting rounds in your fucking chest
and you're dead and you don't even know where he is.
I mean, like, I took Arnold a millionaires to fight
out that he had to just cover himself with mud.
More on that later, But I'm just saying, like, it's
kind of this weird improbability where I'm like, oh, these
guys would be dead in five seconds. How did this
even go past the first ten minutes? Yeah, there is

(49:15):
something like a little like unbelieving.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I mean, this whole movie's unbelievable, but it kind of
takes you out of it a little bit when this
kind of cup becomes more clear. At the end, he's
doing this all for sport, and the only reason he
gets defeated is because he's like, oh, this isn't a
fair fight. I should get rid of my weapons or something,

(49:38):
you know. So it's like the Predator is the one
who is saying is like giving in and making it
easier for his opponents to kill him, and so it
makes it like a little less exciting. They're not exciting,
but like a little less You're like less interested in
how this is going to get. Yeah, because I think
that's like.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
The unfortunate bridge that you have to gap if you're
like a screenwriter or like somebody who's making concepts for
like science fiction.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Movies, is that you have to, like to me, in
order for.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Just my brain to be able to process the world
that you build, you can't have it be so completely
stacked that you know, you can't imagine, like you can't
make the villains so powerful that you just we're all
just like, well that would kill everyone within seconds. Like
there has to be some you know, level of playing

(50:36):
field in that way. Yeah, And so I always feel
with Predator, I'm like, oh, he's like a fucking indestructible,
like really like, so I don't know, but we have
to have the rest of the movie and we have
to have a franchise, so like, I guess it gets
rolled out eventually, but yeah, at that jump at very first,
I'm like, oh, they're dead period.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, yeah, and a lot of them are dead. Did
you have anything you wanted to say about Anna Elpdia Carrillo,
who is the only woman in this movie and is
kind of their hostage. Of course, of course, I do.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
You know, this is the interesting thing about this movie
is that for all this mantoism, it's like, of course
they had to bring a woman with them who was
a hostage at some point. But then Carl Weathers is like, I.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Think she was a gorilla. Oh I see, I think
she was working with the gorillas. She's just but she
becomes their hostage. Because basically she does become their hostage.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Carl Weathers is like, she has to come with us
because she knows too much or whatever. So then she's
just sort of toted along with these fucking dudes. And
I was like, the entire time she's around, I'm like,
she's hot, Like I think Arl kind of wants to.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Get with it, but there's no you know, there's no
even a whiff of romance. I felt like, no, Now
when you're carrying old paintless or whatever painless. You can't.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
There's no tough for love at all. But I will
say she's gorgeous. Like I was, like, she's gorgeous, and
there was this is neither here nor there, but there
was like a moment where they like, she's just like
in a scene and she like flashes this very elegant
side boob in her like little take Tom and I'm like, damn,

(52:14):
I wish I had. I'd kill for that side boob.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
It's so elegant inside boob elegant. So well, she doesn't
provide much to this. They didn't. They didn't make her
a very fully formed character. I will say, uh. And
I think I mentioned this on another other episode. I
do have a Carl Weather's story. He came into our restaurant.

(52:38):
He stole a pie pan. He was supposed to return it.
He returned it several weeks later, and we were all
very mad at him. So I won't get into that.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
But why don't you all give a shit about a
pie pan?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
It was an expensive black crusette pie thing. It was
our It was a restaurant pie pie. Man. Do you
say that like it wasn't a pie tin. It was yeah,
it was black glass. Yeah. Anyways, uh, okay, we're moving

(53:11):
forward now to kill the predator. They said a bunch
of movie traps, but it out maneuvers them because he's
smart and he's invisible. Dylan, Carl Weathers is killed, mac
Bill Duke is killed. Arnold is left alone, but he
makes a discovery that if he covers his entire body

(53:33):
in mud, the predator cannot see him because he only
has like thermal vision. So he covers his body and
mud and he's entirely invisible to the predator. Now I
want to point out, you know, the predator has like
laser eyes, and he lasers Carl Weathers, and Carl Weathers
fucking arm blows off. But there's like he does the

(53:56):
exact same thing to Arnold, and Arnold's like ah, and
Arnold just gets like a little scratch and you never
see him tend to that wound again later. So I
thought that was kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Well, that's because in the when you see the arm
contrast at the beginning of the movie, Arnold's again is
the bigger, the bigger pig, Like, yeah, his pig on
a spit is hues.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Pig, and I do I do appreciate that they don't.
They always do this with movies with like The Rock,
and they do do this with Arnold too, But it's like,
I'm glad they didn't give Arnold like a storyline where
he's like, I get back, I gotta get back to
my daughter who I love, or like some weird backstory

(54:40):
that like makes us sensitive to him. You know. Yeah,
I hate when people do that, like or like when
movies do that to like be like he's got more
going on below the surface. They don't do any of that.
They don't have any of that pretense in this movie.
They don't have time. Yeah, you don't want you don't
want the whole uh.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Reason for him to be out there to be like
the Alissa Milano character from Commando or something, right, Yes,
just let him just be an enigma, a military enigma.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
He doesn't do assassinations though, so that means he yeah,
he's got a soul. Well, and I want to.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Talk to you a little bit about the predator tech,
which in twenty twenty five looks like shit, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I mean that's heass thermal seeking. The fact that he
can only see like thermally. I'm like, that seems like
a big hindrance for all of his tools and stuff.
I know, I mean, here's how was that.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
It's actually kind of surprising that he doesn't have more
to do in that way. Like I'm like, he should
be a little bit more sophisticated. He's from space, like
come on, and then you get this like little blurry,
little uh infrared bull I mean it's like, I mean,
I know at the time that tech was probably like eight.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
K or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, but I was like, man, this is when you
look through his perspective, You're like, I can't see shit
out here?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Really? Yeah. So yeah, what was the last thing that
John McTiernan directed, Because he directed die Hard obviously and Predator.
But see he's only seventy four. You think he would
still does he makeing anything? Let me see? He directed

(56:33):
a movie in two thousand and three. That was the
last movie. He directed, a movie called Basic in Chill.
Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 (56:40):
He was played guilty in two thousand six. The line
to an FBI investigator incarcerated.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
John McTiernan, am I wrong with He had legal trouble.
Oh my god? He was in jail. He directed.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
In twenty seventeen, he directed a video game ad or something.
But yeah, it seems like he had legal trouble. Seems
like he had bankruptcy and maybe.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
That's mcierney pleaded guilty to line to an FBI investigator
in regard to hiring a private investigator in two thousand
to illegally wiretap the phone calls of two people, one
of whom was Charles Roven, a co producer on his
movie Rollerball. That's insane. They hired Anthony Pelicano, right, that

(57:21):
was like the Yeah, don't you find that insane? I
didn't know anything, Yes, crazy, Well there, okay, so he
was busy. It's not making movies. Yeah, I'd say, Oh,
he was hanging around with these musclemen too much. Kind

(57:43):
of corrupted his brain, I guess. Okay. Anyways, let's get
to the end of the movie. Arnold's covered in mud.
He injures the predator, destroying his cloaking device. Arnold. They
set some more booby traps, but smarter ones this time,
and the predator this is the predators, like, I see
you as a worthy adversary. Let me throw away all

(58:03):
my weapons and we'll just fight each other. Hand to
hand wow, and then he gets killed by Arnold. What
a dumb ass. I don't like that. That happens all
the time, where Like I don't like when the villain
gets kind of like tricked, or like I don't like
that kind of stuff. You don't like.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
You don't like it when uh and Ningo Mantoya from
The Princess Bride is like here's a sword fight me Like,
it's like he gives up his advantage to be fair.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
You don't like that. I don't because I'm like I
don't know, Yeah, I don't like that. Well, and is
not even a villain, but like villains do that. It's like,
let's make things a little more interesting. It's like, get
out do it.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
That's because they they are all I mean, they're all
about the pageant and honestly, like for me, like no,
it's it's survival in these streets. If I have an
advantage somehow, which I never have, I'm using that shit.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
But also it begs the question.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
About Predator as an alien where it makes me think, well,
then what's his motivation? Like why does he give a
fuck about being fair at all?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
What about his race of beings on his planet?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Or whatever are they. Maybe he's not as as evil
of a baddie as Yeah. Maybe he comes from you know,
a society where they believe in the sportsmanship.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, he has a code of ethics. I don't know.
You remember in Austin Powers when Doctor Evil has Austin
Powers and he's like, puts him on that table to
get killed by a laser, and Seth Green's like, why
don't you just shoot him? Yes, exactly, And Doctor Evil's like,
you just you don't get it, do you you really,
you really don't.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's the drama of it.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
It's the drama. I guess, oh, oh golly. And then
the Predator sets off a bomb, but Arnold he gets
away the end the end, well, because predator believes in
palm circumstance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, Arnold gets away and gets Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
As much as I do love this movie, I thought
this entire last third was so long, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
It is unlike the rest of the movie because it's
it's like dialogue less. It's like a Kelly Reikert movie
out there, you know, we're watching Old Joy or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I was like, what is this la Samurai? Why isn't
he speaking?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
This is crazy and it is long. Yeah. Yeah, And
I think that that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I think that that notion is completely underscored by the
very the first two thirds of the movie, where it's
just a lot of fucking gunfire and loud mouths and
crazy shit and ship and then it turns into this
like extremely you know, this like meditation piece about warfare

(01:01:13):
with no talking. It's like again Le Samurai or something
like that. And I'm like, god, damn, this ship is long.
And I kept looking. I kept looking at the Do
we ever do this, by the way, when you're watching
a movie and you're like, man, this is taken forever,
you like click on the little menu and then you
look at the bar and be like, oh, the bar
is so long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Until the end of the movie, I ever do that
every movie I've ever watched at home. I pressed the
button and then what Okay, I like, damn, man, this bar,
there's half the bar's not been filled in. Yeah, I
mean the last I mean, the end of the movie
did feel like Uncle Boone me who can recall those

(01:01:56):
path lives? You know, It's like wandering in the jungle.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Like I was like, I don't remember Predator being this
for it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
What the hell is going on. Shit. Let me just
rank my Predator movies real quick, unless you do you
have anything else, Millie? What else can I say? I've
said everything, so okay, okay, this is worst to best,
and I haven't there's one that actually there's an animated
one that came out this year that I haven't seen.

(01:02:34):
And there's a brand new one with El Fanning. I
also haven't seen that one. That one's not out yet though. Okay.
Number seven, the worst one the Predator twenty eighteen. That
was Shane Black's movie. It's just so bad. It thinks
it's so funny and it's just so irritating. And also
Olivia Munn was really upset working on that movie because

(01:02:56):
she discovered that they hired a sexual ups a sexual,
a convicted sexual predator was working on that movie because
he was friends with the director. Oh dude. Uh. Then
number six Aliens Versus Predator Requiem, This was just bad

(01:03:18):
two thousand and seven, it's bad. Then Predators from twenty ten.
This is the Adrian Brodie Predator movie where they go
back to the Predators like or it's like a different planet.
They bring all these like convicts, the Predator Alien Race
kidnaps a bunch of humans, like the best, most devious
evil ones, and then hunts them. I don't know, it

(01:03:40):
was kind of stupid. Then I would put Prey, which
came out in twenty twenty two. That's like the one
that's like set like hundreds of years ago and includes
like a bunch of like a native population that's getting
attacked by the predator. This was pretty good. It's not Hulu.
This is the latest one that was pretty good. I'm
writing it down. Then I liked Alien Versus Predator, the

(01:04:04):
first one from two thousand and four. Yeah, it's like
an antarctical movie and it actually like follows the mythology
of the alien movies. So I thought it was pretty good. Yeah,
this was like I remember when this came out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
It was like like Freddy versus Jason had just come out. Yeah,
and I felt like this like kind of cool, you know,
melding of sort of two ips together to like fight
each other. So I was like kind of excited by it.
I was like, oh, man, Alien Versus Predator must be
so fun. And then I just forgot to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah, wow, so it's pretty fun. I'm gonna do it
as my third best Predator movie. All right, I'm gonna
gonna watch it. Then I put this Predator Predator nineteen
eighty seven as my number two favorite. Ooh, because I
really like Predator too, which is from nineteen ninety with
Danny Glover, because it takes place in La Predator in La, Yeah, La,

(01:05:08):
and he's really rock and shit in Los Angeles and
what neighborhood. It's a good time. What neighborhood It seemed
like Korea Town and downtown seemed very urban, MacArthur Park
maybe okay, well cool. Anyways, that's my definitive list. If

(01:05:30):
you disagree, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Please do dear movies at exactly right media dot com
and tell Casey his taste is shit or it's good,
shove it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Well listen, what a what a great movie. I'm so
glad I got to see it again. To me, one
of the most definitive action movies of the eighties. It's
definitely like like a lot of nineteen eighties action movies.
It's like very feels very tied to the Vietnam era
with like soldiers kind of remind me of Rambo in

(01:06:02):
that way, right, speaking of Sylvester but honestly, like predator
as a creature or human or hybrid, whatever you want
to call him is uh seems unkillable, I guess until
he's not, which is in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Until Arnold gets his meaty pause on him his ham arms. Yes,
I yeah, this is like it's so pulpy, and it's
like it's kind of what you want from like a
mustly action movie, sci fi action movie. It's kind of
the prototype of like that type of movie. And it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I enjoyed watching it again, me too, me too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Next up, we're gonna be talking to Vera Drew about
her area of expertise, the woman with no name. I
just have to say I messed up her recording a
little bit very at the very beginning, so her audio
will sound a little different right away and then and
it'll sound good for the rest of it. So that
was my fault. I'm sorry, Vera, and I'm sorry audience

(01:07:06):
that you have to listen to that. But it only
is just right at the beginning. So here's our conversation
with Vera Drew. All right, everybody, it is another installment
of our segment my area of expertise, and I am

(01:07:28):
very excited to have our guest on today. I'm a
huge fan. She is a writer, director, actor, and editor
and the creative force behind The People's Joker. We have Vera,
Drew Vera, thank you so much for joining us today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Thanks so much, all, my Hysen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Absolutely, before we get into your area of expertise, I
just wanted to ask you about your movie, The People's Joker.
The screening I went to. I live in Minneapolis now.
Milly and I both lived in LA for a long time,
but I live in Minneapolis now and the screening I
went to here was like electric, it was insane. I mean,

(01:08:13):
people were really like hooting and hollering during the whole screening.
And I think it's a testament to how much your
movie has connected with people. What is it like as
an artist and as a person to have something that
you've made that's so you know, hyper personal to you

(01:08:36):
connect with so many people and have it like understood
and accepted and celebrated in that way. What is that
like for you, just sort of like on a personal
emotional level.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Well, I really wasn't prepared for it in any any way.
I mean like it's obviously I think all you could want,
like especially from the first view you make, you know,
but but kind of never in my wildest dreams, uh

(01:09:06):
what I have imagined that that like the first thing
that I would ever make, you know, the first like
feature film I'd ever make, like would would have that
kind of response. I think I feel very emboldened by it, Yeah,
because it was a movie that really was like, yeah,

(01:09:28):
it was the I needed to make for myself to
sort of like understand my life and and and you know,
the fact that I kind of consciously tried to break
every single rule I was taught, like uh as like
a like gun for hire like editor and writer and

(01:09:51):
producer and stuff like it really kind of validated the
fact that like, Okay, like I guess I know what
I'm doing, and like I guess the this sort of
like assignment for like what the kind of stuff I'm
going to make going forward are going to be like
pretty personal personal project.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Well let's move on. You know, we brought you here
to talk about your area of expertise, and you pitched.
I got me my brain buzzing. The area of expertise
you pitched is what you called the woman with no name?
Can you kind of elaborate on what that means to you?

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
So, yeah, I don't. I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
I want to qualify all this is like I don't
think this is like a film RKT type that I've discovered.
I'm sure somebody way smarter than me has like written
about this or like noticed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
This the idea.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
The idea came to me like the last time I
was watching show Girls, which is like really like one
of my favorite movies of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Is like we've discussed it very recently on this show,
so it's very fresh in our minds.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
It's like it's it's so good, right, Like it's it's
it's it is crazy that like people ever thought it
was like bad, like because like it's it's clear that
it's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I don't know it just there was nothing like it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Like culture was just so horrible at the time that
like you watch a movie like that, But like I
remember like watching it this last time and having a
really emotional experience watching it because it kind of clicked
in a place for me that like know me is
just like one of the most sympathetic characters like film history,

(01:11:42):
and like the reason she is is because she actually
like kind of follows this like Clint Eastwood like anti
hero archetype yes, where she's like a chaotic, like you know,
protagonist in like the heaviest quotes, like she is like
a crackhead.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
In it, like literally like a crackhead in it. And like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
But we you know, when we meet her, we get
this sense that it's like there's this whole story we're
not seen, and even by the end, we don't really
know what happened to her. So like the idea is
almost like the Woman with No Name is sort of
that like it's it's borrowed from like the Dollar's trilogy,
like Man with No Name, where it's like it's this

(01:12:28):
character that feels like an anthologized character that we'd see
in in some sort of like series, but there is
no additional prequel material that like paints their lower or
mythology or backstory like it's it's it's literally just like
we just feel that like like shit went down, and
you know, like I think for me, like it was

(01:12:50):
kind of the thing I kept thinking about, like I'm
watching revisiting that movie and then that coming up was
like it's it's basically like if like Clint Eastwood like
wandered into like a star is Born instead of a saloon,
or like if Dutch from Predator was a sex worker
instead of a Vietnam that like, it kind of follows

(01:13:13):
these like same like hyper mass, hyper violent tropes that
you'd see and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
When you brought this up, the first thing I kind
of thought of. And I know that this has changed
because there's been subsequent films, but when I first watched
Mad Max Fury Road and Furiosa kind of shows up
and you're like, what is the story here? And you know,
she kind of embodies that sort of Western archetype in

(01:13:44):
that way. I mean obviously it's in the desert too,
which helps, but then you're just sort of wondering like
where she comes from and like what her story is.
And then you know, obviously they made Furiosa the next
movie and they kind of tied up some loose loose sense,
but she definitely dropped in feeling like she was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
An anthologized character.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
To me, Yeah, I don't know if you thought that
if you'd seen it, but I had.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I had.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
I mean, like I don't I think like that's like
a perfect example because like and I think like that
it's a perfect example too, because like it's like it
colors the whole movie ultimately, like like that like we
have this like pathway in like you know, the character,
the characters sort of being this like comic book like Oh,

(01:14:33):
there's like all this lore here that we're not really
seeing immediately like makes the entire reop. Like I mean,
I remember when I saw Mad Max, when I saw
Fury wrote the first time, just like the the it
feels feeling like a lightning storm in my head or something,
just this like world of like oh my god, like

(01:14:56):
waters being rationed and there's like these like women like
kept in this like vault that are like forced birthers,
like yeah, just being like and she's like she's like
the link the link into that. And like also I
think because I mean I qualified all of this as
like I don't know that this is necessarily like a

(01:15:17):
trope that I've noticed, because like I do think to
some degree like this is like a femme fatale type,
but like it's not necessarily I think the thing that like,
like I think the Woman with No Name can be
a femme fatale. But I also think like the thing
that like makes her distinct from just being that is

(01:15:40):
like it's it's kind of a main character. It's kind
of a character. It's it's a character that's sort of
propelling the story forward and and also like is kind
of the most compelling character in the film. There's no
they're not like outside of the moral center of the

(01:16:00):
movie either, Like because.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Another one that comes to mind is uh.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
It's another movie that I hadn't seen until like very recently,
Like I was always a big fan of Texas Chainsaw
Masacer like the first one, but the UH. I recently
like worked my way through all of the sequels, which
are amazing, Like I don't know about the reboot ones

(01:16:28):
like that that happened in like the two thousands, but
like those like that og like you know, seventies through
nineties Texas Chainsaw sequels are like they're all good, and
I think my favorite one is the one with Matthew
McConaughey the Next Generation, and the final girl in it
is this girl Jenny, and it's like she's just bonkers,

(01:16:51):
Like there's there's just no understanding her motivation at all,
Like she seems like kind of like outside she's like
operating outside of like the tropes of like a Final Girl,
and like is also just like propelling the story forward
in this way where like she.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
You know because by the end of that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
Movie, like you basically find out that like the family
from Texas Chainsaw Massacre is like some sort of syop
that the literal illuminati is like wow in charge of
and shit, Like it's so and I think like that's
the thing with with with with.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
This kind of trope.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
It's like it like it allows you to like kind
of like move through this like this crazy uh, this
crazy reality of that that like is ever unraveling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Another character that I was thinking about was Trinity from
The Matrix because it feels like she has like this
whole other story before The Matrix begins, Like there could
be a whole other movie about that, and she's just
sort of dropped into the Matrix fully formed.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Yeah. I hadn't even thought of her, but that is
such a good one because yeah, it's like she's she's
just totally dropped in and also is like there's no
questioning that, like she's good at what she does. There's
no like, yeah, it doesn't need to like I actually,
I mean speaking of the Wachowskis.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I just rewatched Bound a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, I think they both.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
They both are actually because like to some degree too,
it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
It's so it's so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Like, god, what a fucking good movie, like and what
a like so good just speaking of like anomalies, like
it's crazy that that movie existed what it did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
But yeah, absolutely, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Like when we meet when we meet Jranick gersha or
we quirky, uh, I gotta say her name. Of course,
she just got out of jail. We don't know any
reason why. We just know that she like stole some
stuff like and that's kind of it. She's also playing
like a jaw harp the entire time, which I think,

(01:19:18):
like I don't know, that kind of counts as part
of the trope for me because it's like, I don't know,
it's it's not quite a cigarette, it's not quite like
a like a cowboy with a cigarette or whatever. But
Violet's character, like her character too, like it's just has
that like full of secrets thing like and even by

(01:19:42):
the end of the movie, you know, there's an interpretation
of that movie that is just like this is pure
like romance Love Story, but you could watch it and
walk away from it going like Violet played everybody like
she literally was like manipulating the entire situation. I have

(01:20:04):
no idea if she's actually a lesbian or if she's
just like kind of using all these people to get
out of the mom Yeah, and I don't know, And
I don't like fault her for it, Like I you could.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
See her popping up in another movie completely without you know, like, yeah,
a quirky. We were talking about David Lynch a lot
before we started recording, but I do feel like he
employs that for a lot of maybe not his like
Protect I mean I think you mentioned moholland Drive in
your email, and but also I was just sort of

(01:20:38):
like thinking through his other movies. I mean, like you
brought up Inland Empire, but also like Joan Chen and
Twin Peaks, her character is very like where is she from?
Who what she? You kind of learned about her past,
but there's like it feels like there's a lot more there.
And also Dorothy Vallen's from Blue Velvet, it feels like
there's a lot happening. You could see a whole other

(01:21:03):
movie made before that movie about her.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Yeah, Oh I love that. Yeah. No, I mean like
it's it's it's got to be, it's got to be.
I also.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I want to come back to that, but before I forget,
just because like it keeps like it keeps leaving my
mind and then coming back. But I almost think for me,
like I said, like this idea crystallized for me the
most recent time I watched Showgirls, but like if I
trace it back even further, like I the first time

(01:21:38):
I hadn't I The first Terminator I ever saw was
Terminator too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Me too, And like it's like, yes, I think that's
a lot of people, but it's it's crazy because like
that's a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
And when you think about it, it's like you're having
the experience of like you're meeting Linda hammil You're meeting
Sarah Connor while she's doing pull ups a mental institution.
I know, like that is so fucking awesome, and it
just being like it doesn't matter, It doesn't matter that
like we don't know that she was a waitress or

(01:22:11):
who the hell Kyle Reese is or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Like I think like the like tendrils of like whatever,
this this this like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Obsession because I'm so hesitant to call it an expertise.
I've I've seen so many movies and I'm so self
haty that I'm always like but I think it's just
because like I don't I don't always like know all
the deep cuts and like you know, I've I've brought
up like a tech a late Texas Chainsaw sequel here,
But like I think, like I think like that is

(01:22:44):
like I just love, I just I love this idea
of like you can meet a female character who like
is like just completely as flawed as a male kid,
because that's what character is. Like I think that's the
other piece of all this. It's like and not to

(01:23:07):
bring it back to like a plug or whatever, but
I mean, I mean one of the things that was, like,
you know, when I first started screening my movie occasionally
and it stopped happening pretty quick, but like occasionally I
would get asked this question of like, like why would
you make a trans character like a villain? And for me,
it was always this thing of like it's it's like

(01:23:28):
what am I supposed to like what kind of character?
Like what kind of trans character am I supposed to make?
Like I want to make a trans character that's flawed.
Like characters are flawed. Like we come into a movie
watching a character that requires some sort of change or
some sort of journey. And I think so often like
women characters and like queer characters and things like that,

(01:23:51):
like they're not allowed to they're not allowed to like
start from this like flawed, imperfect place. I mean, like
like jo John Sheen's character in Twin Peaks is a
perfect example that I hadn't bought him because like we
know instantly that like there's something up.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
We don't know if like she killed Laura Palmer.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
But like like it's and by the end of it
being like, oh, she's like a girl who was like
literally stuck in this pattern of like forced sex work
and like and like then like just just became this
like fucking badass like manipulator and then she became like
a doorknob or something.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Insane, insane. That's my favorite part of her story is
I think she's the first I could be wrong about this,
but I think she's the first character we see in
twin Peaks. She is the show. Yeah, she is absolutely interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
It's crazy too, because like.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
I mean, I'll be this is a movie podcast but
like Twin Peaks counts as movies, like especially the oh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Yeah, we talk about it that all the time, so
I feel like it counts.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
The the like the way she does end up showing
up in the Return, I wish Joan I have a
few like criticisms of the Return, ultimately one of them
being like I wish I wish they found more of
a role for Ray Wise, and like I also really
wish like Joan Chen could have been it, just because

(01:25:27):
I think she's fucking brilliant. But like they do show
her again, they show like old footage of her, like
from the series, and like it's it's such a crazy
reminder that like when that show starts, like you're introduced,
you're introduced to Josie and then like there's just a
dead girl washed up on the shore, Like there's an

(01:25:50):
interiortation where it's like she's one of the main characters
of the show. Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
But yeah, I also another one that I had, This
is like a super problematic one, but like I don't
really care as kind of my shit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Like the.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Inn Escape from La Pam Greer plays a trans a
trans woman, and it's like I mean, like if if you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Just got it not I've seen this movie within the
last two years. I did not remember that. It's it's so.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
It's like a block out of your memory situation, because
like it's not handled in a way that's like tasteful
at all, and like it does like like Snake does
not like her either, like he keeps misgendering or he keeps.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Like being like whatever, pal like I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
About this, but like he it's it's kind of it
kind of like works because like you really just like
get the sense that like because like the in the
in the story, they they were partners, like they were
partners in Detroit and like they were on some job
and Pam Greer's character like fucked it all up or whatever.

(01:27:08):
I'm like, it's like you just get the sense that
like these two like had a really bad history.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Like I mean, like it's not cool.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
For Snake Flaskin to be like misgendering a trans woman,
but maybe we should like listen to his feelings because
clearly this was not a good this is not a
good life partner in crime for him. That's one where
it's like I would give anything to see like some
sort of like spin off of of that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I mean now they would never do it and oh
my god, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yeah, oh my god. Well, Vera, this has been wonderful.
Thank you so much for coming on the show to
talk about your area of expertise and your movie. Is
there anything else you know besides The People's Joker that
you want people to to check out right now?

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
I do, I have some plugs.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
The People's Joker is on movie, but you know you
you can also find it in other legally precarious ways
if that's more your jam, or if you're you know,
don't want to don't want to shell out subscription fee.
It also is available on physical media at our physical

(01:28:21):
media run of it is so good, Like we have
it on VHS. I panned and scanned it on VHS myself. Uh.
It also is on Blu Ray. It's loaded with special features.
Highly recommend you check that out if you if you're
into the movie, or if you like haven't seen it
seen it before, Like that's the perfect perfect way to

(01:28:42):
watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
And we still screen it all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
If you want to screen it, uh somewhere in your area,
just hit me up on Instagram or blue Sky or Twitter.
I still go on there sometimes ve're Drew twenty two.
I also want to plug two movies that I worked on.
I just edited Alice Mayo McKay's new movie, which is

(01:29:07):
called The Serpent's Skin, and uh, it is so good.
It is her best movie. It's like a psycho, witchy, lesbian,
toxic romance movie and is a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
It was a lot of fun to put together.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
And I'm also in a movie that Josh Fatum started, and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Nick end of the Show's on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Josh fu love Josh Fatum so much, like Josh Fatum
is is one of the best we have. Like he's pure,
just so pure, and like his best work is ahead
of him. But we're in a movie together called Every
Heavy Thing that's premiering at Beyond Fest next month.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Amazing. Yeah, so check that out if.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Credible. I missed Beyond Fest me too. Well, Vara, thank
you so much, and yeah, good luck with everything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Thanks thanks for having me. This was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
All right. We're back for employees picks film recommendations based
on the theme of our discussion, Millie, what is your pick,
fellow employee, Well, because we.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Just talked about Arnold and because you had mentioned that
you did not see any of the Conan movies from
the early eighties. I have to recommend Conan the Destroyer
from nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
You know, people have their opinions or their tolerance levels
for what they call sword and sandal movies, which is
basically like just what you imagine guys that were sandals,
that wieled swords, and there's kind of this like sorcery
or fantasy element to it or whatever. It's a sequel

(01:31:07):
to Conan the Barbarian, which came out a couple of
years before. And you know, it's kind of like, man,
it is like a display of Arnold's body in a
way that you just like cannot fathom.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Like he just looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
He looks like a goddamn Hercules, and you know, he's
got like a little he's got his hair long, and
he's got you know, his little headband on or whatever.
But it's great, uh. And I love Coda the Destroyer
more than The Barbarian.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I just think it's just too is red Sonia part
of it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
I feel like red Sonia was directed by the same guy,
Richard Fleischer who did The destroy ConA and the Destroyer,
so maybe that's the tie. But and it's also, you know,
again a sort of Sandal movie. But Coding the Detroyer
are super fun. Uh over the top. Grace Jones is
in it. That's probably the most memorable character besides Wilt Chamberlain.

(01:32:04):
But I know it's fantastic though, Like it is so
much fun. I can Arnold in his prime, in his
prime eighty four that's when Terminator came out, like he
is ready to go. So I don't know if you're
gonna enter the world of these movies, I would say, just.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Just go to codin the Destroyer share I One thing
I really appreciate about Arnold is that I actually feel
like he sought out good directors on occasion. And also
I liked that he made sci fi movies, like he
really did move towards sci fi and including Predator, I suppose.

(01:32:46):
But one of my favorites of his sci fi movies
is Total Recall by Paul Verhoven. I mean, we're we
we've gone on a record on this podcast. We love
Paul Verhoven and Total Recall is great set on Mars.
It's kind of a trippy, real sci fi movie, and
I don't think a movie would like that would get

(01:33:07):
made if unless Arnold attached himself to that movie, you
know what I mean. So I think it's really cool
that he did that and made that movie, and it's great.
It's just like very imaginative and weird and dark and
set on Mars, and I love total recall. I want
to watch it again. I know that's my wreck, so

(01:33:29):
super fun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I think the most iconic thing I've ever seen in
an Arl movie is when he comes into the little
airport as the lady and then his face disassembles it
it's him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Uh huh. I thought you were going to say the
three boobed woman because that was very enticing. Yeah, I
love a three boob woman. She's super hot.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Have you ever heard the expression Martini's are like boobs
on a woman. One's not enough and three's too many?
Have you ever heard that? No, I've never heard.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
That in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
I think I heard. I think that line is in
the movie Parallax View. I don't know why I remember that,
but it isn't there. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
I don't even really drink martinis unless they have twenty
olives in them, So okay, there you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Go uh, Millie, thank you for talking about Predator with me. Yeah,
the light. Thank you Vera Drew for coming on and
talking about the woman with no namely. That was a
fun conversation. That was awesome, which is so cool. We
want to talk about next week. Maybe I would love
to touch upon next week. We've got a big holiday

(01:34:45):
coming up. Huh my least favorite holiday. Same here. Yes, uh,
we're going to talk. Glad we're in agreeance. That's fun.
I feel like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
We don't have to agree on everything, but the most
important things are that Halloween is great, Christmas is great,
and thanks Giving.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Should go to hell. Hell yeah. And we're gonna be talking.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
About Thanksgiving movies or you know, movies that are set
around or in Thanksgiving. And so we're gonna talk about
On Lee's nineteen ninety seven movie The Ice Storm. Gonna
have a lot to say about that movie. It's a
it's a favorite of mine.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
So it's good. Can't wait to watch it again. It's
been a few years. Yeah. My friend and co worker
Kara Klank, the comedian Kara Clank, host of co host
of That's Messed Up. This movie was shot in her hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Oh wow, Is it new Haven, Connecticut?

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
I believe so. Yeah. I've never been to Connecticut me neither.
I was afraid that they wouldn't like let me in
or something I would be. I was afraid they were
gonna be too excited to have me there, enthusiastic. We
love we love this guy. Okay, Well, you know that's
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Listen to Deer Movies I Love You on the iHeartRadio app,
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last thing I want to plug plug it. So in
twenty twelve, I started working on a feature film with
my friends. It's called Pockets, and we finished filming in

(01:37:39):
like twenty fourteen. We did it like on weekends, and
I just finished it last year and you can watch
it on Vimeo right now. I did the whole score,
I shot it, I edited it, I directed it, and
it's kind of a fun time capsule of twenty twelve.
But it's sort of a spooky movie in black and white.

(01:38:01):
There's no dialogue, but it is about a girl who
goes back to her room in her apartment and everything
is missing and she doesn't know why. And it's sort
of nourish, little Lyncheon. Check it out on my Instagram
page at Casey le O'Brien and watch it. It's kind

(01:38:22):
of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Check it out, intriguing. I want to have more congratulations
on finishing. By the way, I know how hard thank
you to finish creative projects.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
So yeah, it was hard because there was no I
had to redo the sound and the entire score myself. Wow,
and that took a really long time. But I did
it well and it's I think it's pretty good. I
think it's kind of a fun little it's like an
hour sixteen minutes. Oh, that's good. That's good. Anyways, check
it out. Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Well, on that note, thanks everybody for listening. You're the best.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Bye bye everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
This has been and exactly right production hosted by me
Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfolgal. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
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