PTA and One Battle After Another (2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Casey, how's it going this week? Millie? Pretty good? Now,
I wanted to talk about something at the top of
the show because we are you know, we're a podcast,
but we're also a news service. And there's some Bradley
Cooper news coming in.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
The BCNN, Bradley Cooper News Network.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
The lights are lighting up in the control room.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Feels like we've got breaking news. And I don't know
how breaking this is since it's been out for a
little bit. But he has a new movie coming out,
and it's called Is This Thing On? And it's about
stand up comedy and it stars Will Arnett and it
was co written with Will Arnett and Bradley Cooper and

(00:52):
Mark Chappel and Will Anett plays a stand up edian.
And we just watched the trailer together. Did you have
any thing that jumped out at you when we watched
it together?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Are?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
What are your thoughts on Will Arnett? He's he's a
smoker or former smoker. He has to be. From the
voice and the complexion and the general his hair and
his open shirts, you can tell he's a he's a smoker.
He is a craggy hotty. I would say, I mean

(01:26):
I like Will Arnett. I'm a fan. I think he
hasn't done anything that I've loved as much as arrested development.
When he was doing that show Flake on Netflix. Do
you remember that show? I think he created that show,
but he was in it and it was set in
Venice Beach. I was working in Venice at the time,

(01:47):
so I would see him out and about all the time.
But I like him in general. I'm a fan. Yeah,
how about you. I think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I don't think it's fair that he has an extremely
successful podcast with two other extreme my famous people.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, Like that's not there. I mean that does get
into a bigger conversation about celebrities and podcasts and if
that is okay, And.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I feel like they were the kind of first really
that I noticed anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, like they were very Yeah, they were one of
the more public, big famous people podcasts coming out. I
mean there are peers, you know, a podcast or so
he's there, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I sometimes we'll see clips from is there like a
documentary about It's like.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think there was. The podcast is called SmartLess, I believe,
and I've I think I've listened to one or two
episodes but there was like an HBO doc that was
like in black and white with them on tour. I
think it was like.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I see clips of it and I'm like, what is
this Like Depeche Mode one.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
On one with their this what is this Madonna truth?
Darek you know, Da Petta Baker's.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Doing this shit, and I feel like it's just not fair.
It's simply I think it's I love.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I do like the podcast format because it is a
democratic art form in that you can compete at the
same level as a Will Ernet and Jason Bateman podcast
with just the microphone in your little office, kind of
like what we're doing. Yeah, I probably have more thoughts
about that, but I'll just keep them to myself. Yeah,

(03:34):
I also have more thoughts. But so, we watched the
trailer for Is This Thing On? And I must say
Bradley Cooper is not the star of this one. He
appears to be in it, though, and I don't know it.
It seems to lack that passionate mania that Bradley Cooper's
first two movies, A Star Is Born and Maestro had.

(03:58):
That was just my opinion from the trailer.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I feel like there is Yeah, You're right.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I feel like there's not.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
A crazy accent from Bradley Coop's in this one, which
bums me out, or like you.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
You know that you should. It really is lacking a
crazy accent, and both the first two movies did have that.
It is there is a through line of it being
about a performer, you know. So I think that every
movie about stand up comedy, with the exception of I
would say of the King of Comedy, but a lot

(04:33):
of them have a scene where this person is failing
and they just start are failing on stage and then
they start getting real and talking about their life, and
that's when the crowd buys in, you know. And I
just don't know if stand up really works that way
where you can be that off the cuff and it

(04:54):
work that well, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, because there's never a moment where this like drunk
dude from Cincinnati or something like screams in the middle
of it and.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Like yeah, shut up, yeah, stop talking, dude.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I am.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I do not gravitate towards movies about stand up comedy,
do you me neither?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I would say I'm gravitating away from them. I'm flying
out into powder space away from.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Has there ever been a movie like an introspective, soul
searching movie about improv.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You know, there's the Mike Birbiglia movie Don't Think Twice,
which I actually thought was pretty good, and it is
about improv. So but to your point, there there aren't
many that's not a genre of movie that there's a
lot of entries into it, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Interesting. Well, I listen, I am probably gonna see this movie. Yeah,
got it a little bummed that you know, Bradley Coops
isn't in front with a strange fake nose or you know,
some kind of weird beard. But yeah, I mean, go ahead, Doude,

(06:16):
do your thing. I mean, you just get to do
things when you want to at this point. And I
guess it's kind of interesting the kinds of things that
you decided to do given all your power.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
So I don't know, we'll see. Well that was our
trailer review for Is This Thing On? So watch this
space for any further developments on that story. With regards
to Bradley Cooper and his new movie, Millie, we got
a big show today. We're talking about a big movie

(06:52):
that came out this year.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
We are and you know I am, I am just
over the Halloween season right now. It was I've got
such a hangover from it. I have to say, there's
just a.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Lot going on.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But this is an episode that we've been wanting to
do for a couple of weeks now, and we had to.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Kind of hold on to this one to get through
the Halloween season, which.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Is good because it feels like maybe it gave people
enough time to watch it.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, so, and I hope that's the case. I hope
that people were able to watch it and will join,
like get to enjoy this conversation a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
We are going to get into the new Paul Thomas
Anderson movie, One Battle after Another, made in twenty twenty five.
That's right, released in twenty twenty five, and it's a
three hour long political polemic meets family story meets kind

(07:52):
of I don't know, like horror.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
There's horror elements to it.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
There's I was scared, yeah, or bare minimum thriller elements,
but it's it's quite an undertaking and I feel like
both of us are big PTA fans, and I think
we're going to have our own entry points into it
based on, you know, what we've enjoyed by him in
the past. And yeah, she's been pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
So this is a big This is a big one.
He's a big, big, one of the big guys directors. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm excited, well very excited.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, so stay tuned. It's gonna be an interesting episode
for sure. And you're listening to dear movies.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
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know you love me too.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Check the books.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Hello, everybody, you are listening to the podcast your movies,
I love you. This is a little thing we do
for those who are in a relationship with movies.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's just a little thing we do. Nobody knows this
butou me and Casey.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
But I'm very close to having a mental breakdown right now,
So maybe this is gonna get weird. It's gonna actually
kind of feel a little bit like Leo in this movie.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was gonna say, you're kind of going through one
battle after another.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You know, I do feel like a pinchon, stoned, desperate
pinchon character who's on the fritz emotionally. My name is
Millie de Chericho.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
My name is Casey O'Brien. And yeah, we just alluded
to We're.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Gonna do a little movie called one battle after another,
directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, and we're probably gonna go
a little bit longer than usual on this just because
there's a lot of meat on this bone.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Oh it's three hours long, Juicy one. Yeah, it's a
long movie, and it's a long He has a pretty
like packed career and he's not even done yet, you know,
he just has a there's a lot of movies in there, yeah,
like consequential movies so well.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
And I already like a couple was it a couple
of episodes ago. I talked about how I went to
the screening here in Atlanta. It was in seventy milimeter,
and how it was just filled with men, filled with
a lot of like I'm assuming straight white guys. I
assume that they're straight. They were definitely white, and they

(10:54):
were definitely guys, and uh, some of some of them
smelled and that was distracting. But then I started, you know,
thinking about I think we brought it up the idea
that this movie is sort of about fatherhood, and then
a lot of his movies are about fatherhood.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And I think I said one daddle after another, yeah,
which was very funny.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's very good, but that you had mentioned that you
kind of didn't clock that about him, and I was
like stunned because I just feel like that's so obvious.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh I'm an idiot. I don't know what do you
want from me?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I know, but I but then I feel like, now
that you know that, we can get into it because
your dad and maybe this.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Movie will resonate on that tip a little bit. So yeah,
oh it certainly. I mean it certainly did. So we'll
get into that. Well. Okay, so let me ask you this, Yeah,
did you watch any movies this week? Because I didn't.
Did I watched you know, we're rounding out, you know,

(11:58):
finishing up Halloween stuff, so there's a few more horror
movies that I had to check out, and so I've
got quite a few. And let me know if you've
seen any of these, Millie Okay, Okay, I watched a lot.
I'm only going to highlight a few, Okay, Okay. So
one movie that we watched that Tricia thought was really

(12:20):
bad I thought was okay was two thousand and seven's
fourteen oh eight with John Cusack. Okay, where he's a writer.
He's like a guy who stays in haunted hotels and
he stays in the room fourteen oh eight at the
Dolphin Hotel in New York and it's haunted. It's kind
of like the Shining Ex that it all takes place
in one room. Have you seen that movie? No? I

(12:41):
have not. It was okay, it's based on a Stephen
King short story, but it made me think about, like
what happened to John Cusack?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Actually saw him on Instagram or TikTok or something at
the No Kings protest.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
He's a big activists. I mean, I do kind of
know what happened to him. He's like a big activist.
He lives in Chicago, and that's fine, Like that's great,
and I like agree with him politically, and it's like
really cool that he's outspoken about that stuff. But he
is still making movies to this day, and he's in
a lot of movies that were like made in China
or kind of those like geezer teaser type movies, like

(13:21):
direct to video style movies that you've never heard of.
And I guess I'm just kind of like, why aren't
you in a prestige television show or like why why
do they just not make John Cusack type movies anymore?
I really love him. He's in some movies I really
love and I love him as an actor. So it's

(13:41):
just sort of made me think about that. When we
watched fourteen oh eight, well cool, interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, it is interesting how he has kind of peeled
off the movies a little bit and is sort of
now just doing his life.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
But he's still making as many movies. Yeah, he's making
a movie a year, but they're just you've never heard
of them, you know. Yeah, But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I feel like he was he was a child actor,
and I'm like, oh right, yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
He's just like fucking over it. He just wants to
do easy stuff that'll make money. Yeah, he's gonna get
the sac insurance and the paycheck and then just move on.
So this isn't a criticism of him. I really like him.
I just would like to see him in more I
guess high quality stuff that I want to go see,
but you know whatever. Then we watched Wes Craven's New

(14:29):
Nightmare from nineteen ninety four, which is kind of the
meta Freddy Krueger movie. It was good, scary. It stars
the original Nancy and she's like playing herself as an
actress who is haunted by Freddy. Who's cool. You're talking
about Heather Langan Camp. Yeah, she plays herself but is
like hunted by Freddie and like Robert England is in

(14:53):
the movie too, as himself, but Freddie is this like
demonic creature that is like outside of the movie and
is haunting people, killing them, slicing them up. It was good.
I liked it. Then I watched this movie called The
Church from nineteen eighty nine. This is not directed by

(15:16):
Dario Argento, but it was like produced by Dario Gento
and I think it was written by him, and it's
got his daughter Asia Argento in it. And it's about
a church built upon kind of like a graveyard, so
it's like there's some demonic presence underneath this church and

(15:38):
it's pretty goofy. But it was fun. So that's about
it for the movies I saw this week.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, you did better than me, that's for dam sure.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's okay. You know sometimes movies, you know, watching movies
can be tough. It's a large chunk of time. If
you don't have like two hours at a side, you
can't do it, you know. And he've had a crazy week,
so how can you incorporate that into your life. I know.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Plus I've been watching a lot of Dodgers baseball, so
I can't you know, that's almost like a movie three hours.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah. Have you ever dreamt about Shoo Tani? Has he
like Freddy Krueger? Has he entered your dreams?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I wish. I very rarely have dreams.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I think it's because I'm just tense and I don't
sleep very well. But I dream about him in my
waking life all the time.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Uh huh, I do.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I mean, I'm very happy that he is married with
a child, of course, and his wife seems cool. She's
a basketball player. Yeah, and they seem like they have
a really great life. But he's extremely attractive. He's both
like hot and cute. Have I talked about this where
it's like, yes, it's very rare to be hot and

(16:54):
cute at the same time.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
He's very gentle too. People have point I'm not the
first one to point this out, but his batting stance
when he's up at the plate. You know, some guys
look like mean and are grimacing up there, but he's
just kind of like nothing like He's just kind of
like curious and like kind of wistfully smiling up there
as he like hits a ball eight thousand feet in

(17:18):
the air out.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Of the stadium, actually out of the stad Yeah, and
he also I love when it interviews and people are like, are.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
You nervous at all about it? And he's like no,
but he's like no, why would why would a person
be like that?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I know, I mean this is the kind of this
is the kind of relationship I needed my life as
I need this like steady oak tree that he is
a tree tree, like yes, well, just but just like
real even killed. You know, I'm right now, I'm on
the fritz. I mean, look at me. Yeah, I'm losing

(17:53):
my fucking mind right now. It would be great to
have this like calm presence, just be like sure, it's
gonna be fine, Like I will hit three home runs
in one game and it's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah. You know, we all need a show hey in
our lives. Unfortunately, neither Millie nor I are show hey
o Tani like in our calmness.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
So but let me let me tell you though, I mean,
I don't want this to be about Dodgers talk necessarily,
although the World Series is happening, right now, right, yes,
Roki Sazaki, that's my guy. Oh he's I love that kid.
Are you Kiddingdemption redemption. All these fucking assholes that made
fun of him for crying, I'm like, you're a fucking monster.

(18:37):
If you made fun of Roki Suzaki for crying because
he was upset at his performance, you're a monster.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
But then look at him now, he's doing great and
he's again another like sweet Japanese man.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, I do like that. The Dodgers, they have all
these Japanese players on there. It's like the go to
destination for Japanese baseball players.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Listen, they got three Japanese guys, they got a Korean guy,
that got a half Korean guy, that got plenty of
you know, Spanish speaking players.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, dude, they're the best. They're the best. So fun.
Gotta get Craig Calctera back on the show. I know,
it's almost like we're baseball doing a baseball podcast with Craig. Anyway, AnyWho,
let's close it up.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Let's close this diary up, Bye bye diary.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
All right, everybody, we are back for a main discussion.
We're talking about one battle after another from twenty twenty five,
directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, written by Paul Thomas Anderson,
and it's based on the Thomas Pinchone novel Vineland. Just
for some cataloging purposes, the genre of this movie, I
would say it's a comedy slash slash action and some

(20:03):
of the themes include immigration, terrorism, militarization, paranoia, the stoner movie, racism,
family dynamics. Stand Out actors Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Tianna Taylor,
and introducing Chase Infinity, She's good her. Do you know

(20:23):
how she got her name? She was named after Nicole
Kidman's character in Batman Forever, Chase Meridian, and Buzz light
Year's line to Infinity and Beyond. So that's how she
got her name, which if that feels like a name
in this movie actually, but anyways, you're telling me that

(20:47):
she was named after buzz light Year. Yeah, her middle
name was named after the slogan that Buzz light Year says.
Wow that is deep, dude. Yeah, And she was good.
She was good in this Famous quotes are were there
any quotes that came to mind that you think will

(21:07):
be famous? I have one? Maybe spill what is it
when the cops asked Benicio del Toro if he's been drinking,
and he's like, I've had a few small beers.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, that's that's the quote that I've seen online of
people just quoting things. I got so much to say
about Benicio. We might I can tell we might have
to start another podcast on top of the baseball one.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
He has inspired my whole my life since watching Personal
Connections to Millie or Casey, I'll start go ahead. PTA
was and is one of the foundational filmmakers for me
when I was kind of entering film fandom. You know,

(21:55):
the three movies in a row, Boogie Knights, Magnolia, and
Punch Drunk Love, those are like some of my fate.
When those came out, those totally blew my mind. Some
of my absolute favorite movies I'd ever seen. After I
watched Magnolia, I was like, I should go to film school.
That was kind of the movie that made me want
to go to film school. Yeah, and I have to

(22:17):
say those you know, Hard Eight his first movie, and
then Boogie Knights, Magnolia and Punch Drunk Love, those all
kind of have a similar vibe to them. They feel
like they're made by the same director, because they are
and there's kind of a poetry to them. There's a
lot of needle drops, and they're beautiful and sensitive and emotional.

(22:43):
And then he made There Will Be Blood in two
thousand and seven, and everyone was obsessed with it, and
I was kind of like, what is this movie? Wow?
I know I'm in the minority here, and I know
they're going to take away my cinophile car, but I've
had at It felt more soulless to me, and I've

(23:05):
sort of felt that way about all of his movies
since then, including The Master and Phantom Thread, movies I
like a lot, but they feel like they're made by
a different director than his first four movies, and so
I've had a hard time loving his movies since Punch
Drunk Love until this one.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, I was gonna say, it seems like you had
a little bit of a renaissance with him.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I did. Are you done? I'm done?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah? Sorry, because I'm about to blow your fucking mind.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah. I have the exact opposite opinion of you about
Paul Thomerson. I think a lot of people do.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I have got on record about this. Even though we
did Magnolia on I Saw What You Did. That is
my least favorite Paul Thomas Anderson movie, and it's like
everyone's favorite. I'm not trying to be contrarian. I'm not
trying to be, you know, an edge lord or something.
I just simply don't like it as much as the

(24:05):
other stuff. And I rewatched Punch Drunk Glove fairly recently.
I didn't log it because I didn't finish it. I
watched probably like the first three fourths of it, and
it was kind of like, yeah, not feeling this one
as much as as much either.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I mean, I think pretty much those.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Two Magnolia and Punch Drunk Glove are like my least favorite.
And then because I like the beginning, I like Hard Eight,
I like Boogie Nights, I don't like those.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Two as much.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And then for the rest of them, hell yeah, I
mean maybe with a slight you know, I don't know,
I should watch Licorice Pizza again. But I was living
in LA when that movie came out, so I felt
like it was such an LA movie or like a
Valet movie. So it's it felt something, you know, it
felt something different for me because I'm not from La.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
But yeah, can I just say I don't think you're wrong.
I actually don't think even though like Magnolia, I haven't
seen it in like twenty years too, I think I
probably wouldn't like it as much. I think I would
probably think it's like two Saccherin or something. And I
think movies like There Will Be Blood than The Master.

(25:16):
I can look at those and be like, these are excellent,
and I actually think that you could say they're better
than Punch Drunk Glove or Magnolia, but I just didn't
connect with them as much.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
But there's also two those two movies, Magnolia and Punch
Drunk Glove feel more set in the present, yeah, which
is also something that one Battle Left after another is like,
is that it feels more set in contemporary times. But
I feel like the rest of his movies are pretty
much like definitely Boogie Nights. But then you know, of course,

(25:49):
like There will be Blood, The Master, Inherent Vice, Phantom Threat,
all these movies Liquor Schweitza take place in the past.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So that's interesting. Yeah, well, and I also.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Like that about those movies too. I like the construction
of the world that happens when it's a period piece,
you know.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
But I also think actually Boogie Nights, which came out
in the nineties but was set in the seventies, there's
an argument to be made that that is a contemporary
movie of the nineties because the nineties were so obsessed
with the seventies that it actually felt very of the time.
It didn't feel as much of a period piece as

(26:30):
like there will be Blood coming out in two thousand
and seven, when it's set in like, I don't know,
the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, sure, I mean there were actual girls on roller
skates wearing hotpants from American Apparel in nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Sure, yeah, But I mean for the moment. But it
was a period piece, I mean, because oh yeah it was.
But I'm just saying it wasn't as disconnected from the
time that it came out as other ones are.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, and anyway, just to sum up, like anyone needs
any more of my personal takes on Paul Thomas Anderson,
because like, who gives a shit, But it's really like,
I do like him as a filmmaker, obviously.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I think I think that he likes.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Directors that I like, right, Robert Altman and Jonathan Demi
and ill like that to me makes me like him
because he likes good shit, right, and he makes movies
that are interesting to me. I think Phantom Thread is
a masterpiece. I'm just gonna throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I agree. I mean, it is.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
One of my favorite movies of all time. And it's
it's crazy to think that a movie that came out
in the two thousands could ever be with my track
record of watching movies made in the new millennium. But
I also feel like it's it's undeniably great to me
for so many different reasons. And I also think too

(27:51):
that like he's got good people in his movies.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
They're all they all have.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's all about like dynamics, interpersonal dynamics between people, a
lot of Dad's stuff, which we'll talk about later. And yeah,
and I think that's why I like his his movies
so much.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
So I think, and I just want to be clear,
I think these movies are great, like I think Phantom
Thread the master that these are like great movies. But
when I saw I just and maybe this is I
think people have talked about this with Wes Anderson not
connecting with his movies more recently. Maybe it is just
like his early movies really hit me at a time
that like, really honestly changed my life. And maybe I'm

(28:32):
just holding his movies too high of a standard. Now,
Does that make sense? Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
I feel like they have similarities, I feel like, but
I feel like Wes Anderson has moved way way more
into the precious there's an artifice to his movies now
that I don't. I think Paul Thomas anderson movies still
feel pretty like real and not a spy tale.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think Paul Thomas Anderson is pushing artistic limits with
every movie he makes, and he's exploring something new every
single time, which I don't necessarily think Wes Anderson is
doing right now, even though I still like his movies
a lot. Let's get into the synopsis a little bit now.

(29:16):
I'm sorry for those who haven't seen this movie. I
think we'll try to maybe not spoil the climax. Does
that sound okay? Or do you want to get into that, Millie,
What do you think Let's just let's not try to
spoil it.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I suppose yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
So, okay, Like we were saying, this is sort of
set in contemporary times, but it also feels a little dystopian.
It feels a little bit outside of our world. So
the French seventy five, this is a revolutionary militant group
that is carrying out bombings and bringing immigrants from detention centers.
There could be described as terrorists, but they're kind of

(29:53):
a military group, kind of like the Weather Underground. And
two of its members Ghedo Pat Calhoun played by Leonardo
DiCaprio and Perfidia Beverly Hills Tianna Taylor. They are central
members of this group and they are in love. While
they are freeing some immigrants in a detention center near
the Mexican border, Perfidia encounters and sexually humiliates Colonel Stephen J.

(30:21):
Lockjaw played by Sean Penn. Now this makes Lockjaw become
obsessed with Perfidia and she kind of is interested in
him too, even though he is a bizarre man. But
they start a sexual relationship and Perfidia has a baby,

(30:45):
but she's still with Pat played by Leonardo DiCaprio. So
she has a baby, and we're not sure if it's
lock Jaws or Ghetto Pats, but Perfidia has a difficult
time with motherhood and she's a revolutionary. She'd can't be
a stay at home mom, you know. So she kind
of abandons Pat and her daughter Charlene. During a bank

(31:09):
robbery gone wrong. She kills a security guard and she
is captured. Now she's looking at like forty years in prison,
so she rats out her entire crew two Lockjaw, and
Lockjaw goes ahead and hunts down everybody from the front
seventy five and during this time, ghetto Pat and his

(31:31):
daughter Charlene, who gets a new name. We'll go into
that later, but they go into hiding in the sanctuary
city of Backton Cross. So that's kind of the setup
of the whole There's a very intense the beginning of this.
This movie really starts off with a bang and doesn't
really stop. So this is like the whole beginning chunk

(31:52):
of the movie. How are you feeling, I'm feeling good.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
That was an incredible synopsis, even though I mean you
really like because there was so many moving parts.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Did you not feel like this was the case?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh yeah, I mean this was very difficult for me
to write all this time, but not quite as bad
as Tetsu the Iron Man, But there was no transformation
into uh, you know an octopus slash metal human going
on in this, but it was almost as confusing.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
All right, well now that we know what the movie
is about, Yeah, what were what's your life general vibe
like when you when you finished it three hours later?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, Well, like at the beginning part, I was like
freaking out. I was having a hard time watching this.
I was so anxious. Yes, I could not sit still
and it was like a pretty much empty theater and
I was standing up and I was walking around because
I was really having a hard time. Like I was like,
I want to get out of here. Yeah, I want
to leave even though it's good obviously, but I was like,

(32:54):
I want to get out of here so bad. This
is like anxiety inducing. It is kind of scary. Yeah,
it felt kind of scary. I don't know how to
It felt like any violent thing could happen.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, I can see why you thought that it was
loud when I saw the screening. I mentioned that when
when we were when we were talking about it before
when I logged it in my film diary, but we
didn't really mention much.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was really loud.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
There's like a lot of gunfire obviously, and like a
lot of you know, bombs and things going off, and
I just was like, Yo, this has stressing me out
based on the boise level. Yeah, but there was actually
a lot going on in the movie that was actually
distressing to me, which we'll probably talk about later involving

(33:44):
Sean Penn's character.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Sure, his character, I will just.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Say this before we get into the fine particulates the
granular details. Yeah, there hasn't been a movie character that
has terrified me more than this, and damn near thirty
years or something like his character. And he's really good
at it, by the way, Yes, Sean Pan's a great actor.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Is he amazing at.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Playing a hyper militaristic, crazy racist, like politically charged psychopath. Extremely,
he's amazing at it. Like, he's extremely amazing at playing
this character.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
And this is like, this is part of like what
I admire about.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Certain filmmakers who are like going for like contemporary characterizations
of people or like they're going for like contemporary political conversations,
right is that they're drilling down into archetypes, you know,
of like people in the world right now. And this

(35:00):
this one was so fucking triggering and good Yeah that
I was like I'm terrified of him, Like He's like
he this guy Lockjaw exists, yeah, right now, is existing.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
In our world right now.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And I was like, I was like, couldn't get my
fucking brain out of that. Like I was just like, yeah,
he is scarier than Freddie Jason, Michael Meyer's Pinhead and
Jigsaw from Saul like put together in my mind.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Honestly, I well, I think what makes him scary is,
you know, the way you're describing him as like this
militaristic racist guy, and you kind of think it's like, oh,
is he like a smooth, elegant killing machine. He's like
a fucking goofball idiot. Yeah, And I think that's what's scarier.

(35:55):
He walks like a dufist, He has a stupid three
student his haircut. He kind of walks like the three Stooges.
And yet this is the type of guy in our
world that has a lot of power and is the
one that will kill you. Yes, you know, And I
think that's what's scary about it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And as much as there's all this other sort of
actually joyous, funny, warm hearted, inspirational at times moments of
this film, the idea that he was this like metronome
of like misery and fear and fucked upness. I just
was like, I'm getting stressed. I'm getting fucking stressed because

(36:36):
he's like hunting them, right, and it feels that way.
It feels like a hunt, and Sean Power was really
good at it.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean, he's probably gonna win another one. Yeah, he's
probably gonna win another Academy or Okay, I'm gonna go
a little bit more into the synopsis. Sure, flash forward
sixteen years. Willa, who is you know, Pat's daughter, is
thriving a high school student now, and Pat that's Leonardo
DiCaprio's character. He goes by Bob now, but he is

(37:09):
an absolute stoner, miserable guy, and they seem to be
doing okay in hiding. Now things kind of get back
into motion again because Lockjaw, the Sean Penn character. He
is invited to join an elite, secret white supremacist society
called the Christmas Adventurers Club. Now, he knows he won't

(37:36):
be let in or won't be allowed to stay in
the club if they find out he had relationship with
black women, or one black woman in particular, Perfidia, and
he thinks that maybe Willa is his daughter and she's
out there in the world somehow, So in order to

(37:59):
stay in the club, he basically has to find this
girl and deal with it and find out if she's
his daughter. So he finds out where Pat and Willa
live and under the guise of basically an ice raid
on the whole city where he lives, the city of
Backed and Cross, they go to find Willa and Pat

(38:23):
and determine whether she is his child or not. In
the meantime, people find out that Lockjaw is coming will
It gets rescued by a former French seventy five member Deandra,
played by Regina Hall, the Great Regina Hall, and Pat
is on the run. He's trying to find there's a
rendezvous point where they're bringing Willa, but he can't remember
any of the goddamn old passwords because it's been sixteen

(38:46):
years and he's basically smoked weed and done drugs the
past sixteen years. So things are in chaos right now,
and that's where we're left off. Now, what do you
think about Leonardo? Do you like Leonardo?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I feel like I talk about this like every six
months on a podcast because I went through this whole
thing on I saw what you did about my Leo journey,
which is that I did not like him at all
until pretty much like his like when he turned forty,

(39:25):
Like I pretty much only like him now that he's
in his forties and older. Yeah, it really kind of
started with the Tarantino movies, to be completely.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Honest with you.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well, i'd also Wolf of Wall Street, which is I
think that was the actual movie that we did on
I saw what you did that kind of made me
have to state my case for Leo finally. But I mean,
this is like this character to me. First of all,
I have to say I when I saw his character

(39:55):
in this movie, I sort of it felt very much
like walking character and inherent Vice. And maybe it's because
they're both like Pinchon novels or they're tied to Pinchon properties,
but it's like that kind of like hilarious, like fumbly
bumbly stoner guy, which is extremely amusing to me, not

(40:17):
gonna lie, And I love that about his character for sure.
But also like Leo, I think in his older age,
I think he's just been going for it in a
way that I feel like, I mean, he's always been
kind of like a little over the top, even as
a child like even as in his younger days he
was a little over the top, but I feel like
in his old age it's getting real good.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Like his face.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Turns completely red and you can see like veins popping
out of his fucking neck and stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
And you know, like I.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Think about you know, one of my favorite roles of his,
which was in Once upon a Time in Hollywood. You know,
when he's just like making Margarita's and drink I'm in
the pool, just being a drysky sour yeah, or like
when he's cussed out himself for being drunk and his
trailer and shit like that whole, like those like little
ticks about his characters that are based on like being

(41:11):
too fucked up to like get your shit together, but
still try to make it work in his life. Like
those characters that he plays are so good and he
plays them so good. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I one hundred percent agree. I thought nothing of him. Honestly,
I thought I kind of was anti Leo when he
was doing Titanic, Show Me and Juliet Yep, Catch Me
if you can, Gangs of New York, all of these,
like when he's still kind of this fresh faced cutie,
his acting was very I don't know, he just wasn't

(41:46):
doing very much and he was just like, aren't they beautiful?
You know? But since Wolf of Wall Street, I feel
like he's realized, you know what, I'm actually a very
good comedic actor. I'm a very good physical comedic actor
in kind of the way that Jack Nicholson was. Yeah,

(42:07):
I feel like and since Wolf of Wall Street, I
think he's become one of my favorite actors. I love
him in Once upon a Time in Hollywood. I loved
him in I Mean, everyone hates this movie, but he's
really good and don't look up and he's doing like
that's like overwhelmed dad thing in that movie. And I
thought he was incredible in this movie. And I just

(42:29):
have to say, this movie is all about being a dad, obviously,
and I related to the movie in that regard. But
also I related to this movie physically in a way,
Like every scene Leo is having to grab several bags

(42:52):
and run out the door. He's always late, he's always harried,
he's always disheveled, and honestly, that's how I feel all
the time as a especially I'm always carrying like nineteen things.
I'm late, i have something spilled on me. I look
like shit, I'm like screaming on the phone. And then
I'm also taking care of my daughter. You know. So

(43:13):
I felt like I really related to the physicality of
this movie as well.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, I ah, that makes me laugh.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I mean to get back to this larger point about
PTA's movies being about dads.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yes, let's get into it. Let's just lay it on
the table.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
A lot of his movies are about dad issues, right,
I think we can obviously, and even if they're not directly,
like in a Magnolia kind of way. I mean, there's
always characters that have a father and son type relationship.
I mean, that's the way it was in Boogie Nights
with Mark Wahlberg and Burt Reynolds. That's the way it
is in The Master with Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman.

(44:02):
I mean a lot like There'll be Blood obviously another
movie about fatherhood, and so it's kind of like it
is sort of a well that he returns to. I
think what's really interesting about one battle after another, and
a lot of people have said this is that you
know his he he married. He's married Maya Rudolph, who

(44:22):
herself is bi Rachel and is mixed race children, and
that is a huge theme of this movie, right, is
the idea of you know, a child being potentially, you know,
the daughter of this crazy psycho, but that also her

(44:44):
actual dad, I mean, the dad that's in her life,
Bob aka Leo.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Is also white.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
And so I mean, I don't know if it's because
I'm biracial myself, and I always gravitate towards characters that
have that about them or like have our processing it.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But it's interesting because.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
It's like, I don't know, I mean, it feels like,
obviously he has a direct connection to you know, the
character of Willa and kind of her struggle with not
just her who her dad is or who her dad
could potentially be, but also her mom being this like

(45:25):
revolutionary black woman who's now in hiding and that potentially
she rated out her people, and like how does she
feel about that? Because Willa is obviously the daughter of
a revolutionary, she's a revolutionary herself. She's got that fire,
you know, and so it's like this whole to me,
it feels like not only is this movie about dads,

(45:47):
but it's also about their kids and about Yeah, I
feel like this, This movie is the most that that
has happened in versus like some of the other movies
where it feels like maybe Pta was writing from the

(46:11):
child's perspective. In that way, it feels like now he's
writing from the dad's perspective, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, No, I think that makes total sense. And I
think you're right. I think that this feels more about being, yeah,
the inverse of that relationship. It's not being a dad
rather than being the son.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Being the son of like a mysterious kind of enigmatic
father figure, right, Yeah, which I think is aging and
growth and things like that. Sure, But I also like
that for him, if that makes sense, Like, I like
that he's kind of moved into like you know, and

(46:53):
I don't know stone or Dad's territory like that shit
makes me laugh, Like you know, it's like, I don't know.
It felt very like it did feel like it was
coming from the dad's perspective at this point and not
the sung.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah you know what I mean. So yeah, And I
think in that way, you know, I kind of talked
about not feeling as connected to his movies with since
Punch Drunk Love, I felt totally connected to this one,
and I think partly it is because I'm not gonna
say this is his most personal movie, but it seems

(47:27):
like there's a lot of him in this movie where
you couldn't see that as much in other movies, or
at least I couldn't. And I think that really had
an effect on me. When I was watching this. It
just felt much more personal. And maybe I'm just more

(47:48):
bought into this type of movie because I also have
a you know, a biracial daughter. Yes, you do, and
you do. Yeah, I was pretty bought in immediately with
this one. Can I take a hard left? Yes? Heard eight?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
If you will, Let's talk about this Christmas Adventurers Club.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yes. I don't even know what to This feels like
very Thomas Pinchone, even though I have never really read
anything by Thomas Pinchon. It felt very silly. But I
think in your notes you said you feel like this
something like this totally exists, and I agree. I mean,
it's like this over the top white supremacist organization that

(48:34):
uses all of this Christmas lingo, like Hail Saint Nick
and other things, right, I mean, listen I this.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I think I'm so happy at the end of the
day that this movie had the silliness to it in
the same way that your advice did. Like because it
really if if it was really down the line, Seriah,
I probably would have had a panic attack. I mean
it's very well.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Rob thinks that silliness actually makes it scarier, oh, because
it makes it much more in a way realistic, because
I feel like things being kind of silly and goofy
and tragic and scary together is actually closer to real life.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Sure, yeah, yeah, now that you've said it, that makes sense,
that tracks for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Yeah, we are at it. That's just my viewpoint. We're
at an all time.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
High of why I can't believe that this is actually happening.
It feels like it's from a fucking movie and like
ridiculous comedy farce at that. But to me, like I think,
just tempo wise, I was glad that it was silly,
but I absolutely think that there are white people are

(49:57):
doing this, like old white people are congregating in this
very ridiculous way, celebrating their whiteness basically and their purity
and their Christianity and a scary, clandestine, fucking skull and
bones kind away. I mean, it was like you know,

(50:18):
and it to me, I thought it was funny because
there's that shot of like one of the guys that
are kind of coming into the like there's like an
underground bunker or something that I yes, and it's almost
kind of like a behind the shoulder shot of him

(50:38):
like moving through all the different you know, ways to
get down into this little layer where there's a bunch
of fucking dudes sitting around it.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
And it's but it's like this huge underground compound, and
it just go. I feel like that was like really
a good way of illustrating like how powerful and wealthy
this organization is to just have this random un like
huge underground compound under like a random house like that
they're able to have something like that.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, it kind of the shot and the sequence kind
of reminded me a little of Boogie Nights when Bert
Reynolds is kind of moving through the house kind of
establishing the world and like you know, he's kind of
moving around his place.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
That was kind of how it felt.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
But when he actually got down there and he saw
his brothers, his Christmas brothers around the table, did you
notice that one of them was Kevin Tige?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yes? I did, Yes, so.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I've been reading a lot about him because I mean
I personally have not seen him in a long time.
And you know, I think a lot of people if
you if you don't know him by name, you'll know
him in you'll recognize him. To me, he's he's most
famous for being in Roadhouse with Patrick Swayzee.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
That's what I first think of.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, me too, And he's like if you look at
his face or look him up, you'll definitely know he
is because he's a great character actor. He's been in
several things, but apparently he's been in like not so
great health over the years and was sort of like
not wanting to do movies.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
But then I guess PTA.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Like convinced him to do it, and like, I don't know,
it kind of made me happy that he was in
the movie at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Yeah, I think he telegraphed something like this is the
Old Boys Club, Like it just you just like and
the way he talks, he just it's like menacing in
the way that he's like a normal guy. Yes, Oh, he.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Was like the scariest white supremacist vampire of our nightmares.
Like he was that character like almost kind of like
just like the final boss of like.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Old white dudes who are racist. I remember him. He
played Jason Siegel's dad, Ons and Geeks, and he was
like this hard ass, mean dad. That is where it
kind of like it got bored into my head. Yeah,
kind of his scary quality, so it was it was

(53:12):
kind of thrilling to see him there. Yeah. No, he is.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Extremely good at being a scary dad.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Like he kind of reminds me. I think. I don't
think he's from the South. I think he's actually from
la but he talks slowly.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Oh, he is like a scary like his kid.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
He's like you go to dinner at your friend's house
in high school or middle school and the dad is
the only one talking and he's at the head of
the table and he's like everyone's scared of him. That's
kind of how he reminds me.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But he's really great at playing that, and he played
it in spades in this movie.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
For damn sure. I think he might only have like
two lines. I don't think he even says that much,
but it's just his You feel his presence at that table.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Well then and then another person around the table was
Tony Goldwyn who you know is a another famous actor
from Scandal. He was the President of the United States
in Scandal Come Home.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Have I talked about my Tony Goldwyn story?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
No, you have a Tony Goldwyn story?

Speaker 1 (54:13):
What is it? I used to work at a few
restaurants in Venice owned by the same group. One was
called Jelina and the other was justa They're owned by
this Jelina restaurant group. I don't know if they're all
open still, but anyways, he would come into those restaurants
all the time, so nice, the nicest guy. Working at
these places was very stressful. It was very hip, and

(54:35):
it was always so busy, and some days it would
just be a living nightmare working in there, because it
would just be so out of control and like things
were going wrong in the kitchen and like customers were
screaming at you. I mean, I got a guy like
grabbed my collar and called me a cocksucker one time
I was working like that's that's like the level of intensity.

(54:55):
Sometimes it was like working there and we're having one
of those data and I'm gonna get like emotional time.
Oh no, and Tony Goldwyn looks at me and he
goes can I talk to you for a second, and
I was like, am I gonna get fucking reamed? Like
yelled at by Tony Goldwin? And I'm like, Hi, what's

(55:17):
going on? And He's like, I just want to say
you and your entire staff are doing an incredible job
here and I just want you to know that. And
I was like, thank you, Tony Goldwin. And I've never
forgot that. And so I'm a fan for life and
I love seeing him in anything.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Hell, yeah, I'm glad you said that because I'm I've
always liked him even though he played the evil guy
from Ghosts and shit, but.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
He played he can play a good bad guy. Yeah,
but he's a bad guy in this. But I was
I was thrilled he was being inside. I feel like
he's in a lot of procedurals and he was in
scandal and stuff. Yeah, I think he's in Lonard s
f you organized crime are He's in something like that?
But I want I was like, I'm glad to see
him in like an elevated Oscar Worthy movie, you know.

(56:08):
So I was like glad to see him in it.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, Wow, good for him for him making you feel good.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Love him And I could tell he had a good
relationship with his kids. They were like teasing him and
like giving him a hard time. And you know, good good,
good man good. I mean, I don't know him at all,
but he gets the Casey's Seal of approval. There are
a lot of celebrities that I would not give that
seal of approval. But we won't go in that go
into that today, but that's another podcast. That's another podcast altogether.

(56:38):
Did you have anything else you wanted to say about
Dad's No, I was gonna say, you can Christmas.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You can move on to the next part because.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I have more to say about this than anything. Okay, So, okay,
we're getting into the Benicio so which is I know,
the section that Millie is excited about. So, okay, Pat
needs help. He's not He's high as hell, he can't
remember the past. He's having a hard time backed and
Cross is under siege by these military this military group

(57:06):
doing these like immigration raids, but really is looking for
him and his daughter. So he seeks out the help
of Willa's karate instructor, Sergio Saint Carlos played by Benicio
del Toro. Now, this is very funny because he's like
I need your help. I need a gun. But it
doesn't seem like they had like a relationship necessarily before this.

(57:28):
But it turns out that Sergio Saint Carlos is a
bit of a revolutionary himself. He's like the man in
charge of the entire undocumented community in Backton Cross, And
as soon as the ice raid comes in, the military
comes in, he's like, all right, it's go time. And
he has this whole team organize all these undocumented people

(57:52):
into kind of an underground railroad situation, and it's like
he was ready for this to happen. And he's a
total calming force in the movie for the undocumented community,
but also for Leo's character Pat, who needs some calming down.
So we get to spend a lot of time with
Sergio aka sense and Uh, it's a delight, It's really

(58:17):
a delight. What were you feeling, Millie? What are you
feeling right now?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So many things, so many things. I'll scope out and be.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
A bit a bit of a shithead. Uh, here we
go before I we're putting on our shad on the
shithad head.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I've always loved Benisio, always, always, since the moment I
saw him, I was on board.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Love at first sight.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, I feel like it might have been usual Suspects
or fear and loathing or something like it was.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I mean, he was in Big Top Hwie. I barely
remember him in that. You know where I doing, Top Peeley.
I forgot he was in that. Yeah, you remember?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
You know what I was really I really noticed him
is he was in a Madonna video. He was in
the video for la Isla. I don't know if you remember,
but I do. I actually do remember him from that
video because I was obsessed with Madonna as a kid,
and I I watched her videos constantly on MTV, and

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so I I would notice everything about every video and
I would.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Notice that's where the seed was planted the Benicio scene.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
But I am so fucking on board for Benicioltro like always.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Always, he was like my the father figure in this movie.
To me the viewer, I was like, take care of me, please,
things are going badly. I love him too much, I think,
I feel.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Actually it's it's funny because I he's like one of
my celebrity crushes.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, and I have a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Friend of mine who fucking photoshopped the poster of that
movie Romancing the stone and put me in Benicio del
Tour's faces on it, and it used to be my
screensaver at TCM.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And like people would walk by and be like, is
that romantic? Wait? Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Are you and Bonizio del Toro in Romancing the Stone?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I was like, Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. You need
to put together like a coffee table book of all
the bad photoshops of your face on stone or a
zine of some kind.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I love it. There's also much There's also one my
friend just did of me and my dog Sophie on
the cover as the cover of True Romance, which I love.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Well, that's yeah. I feel like Bensio is one of
those actors. There's a few actors like this where I
feel like, currently they could still play every character they've
ever played. Like, I feel like you could cast present
day Benicio in Usual Suspects in the same character as

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the same character.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Oh absolutely, And if present day Benissa Altaro was single
and wanted a wife, I would definitely be his wife.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Okay, I would run you would cast him in the
role of husband. I've loved him for so long, casey,
you don't know. I've loved him for so long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
But so this is the thing about seeing him in
this movie, was I his character feels very like again,
like one of these kind of Paul Thomas Anderson characters
in some of his movies, and like the funnier parts, right,
always wearing like a swishy suit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
You know, is he looks exactly like my uncle Craig.
I mean they dressed the exact same. Yeah, he's a
sense you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
It's like, you know, he loves like Marshall arts and spirituality,
but he also loves drinking beers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
There's a lot of drinking while driving, which I don't condone,
but there is a lot of it, and it did
look kind of fun. But you know, these like I
don't drunk driving is very bad, very bad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
But these guys are old pros And that's like kind
of the funniness of it where it's like he just
doesn't give a shit about it. But here's what I
will say. I'm going to try not to like go
down this rabbit hole too much because I can get
like really keyed up about it. But the whole thing
about what he does for the undocumented community, right, we're

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like going through this shit right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, that that was hard to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I'm extremely distressed about what's happening right now. I think
everybody knows. I think it's because I just have personal stakes,
Like my both my parents are immigrants, right, you know,
whether or not they're undocumented or naturalized or whatever. I

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think the immigration factor is what makes it hard for
me to like process the absolutely crazy shit that's happening
right now. And this is the part of the movie
that was I felt like the most current hard to

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watch in a lot of places. But also what made
his character and what he and his family do in
these situations like it made me, like I feel like
crying right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Just talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Like I was so emotional when I was watching. It's
almost like to me, when you have to like live
this type of life, when you're like constantly under surveillance
and in constant fear, the idea that there are good
people that are willing to help you and that are

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like actively working behind the scenes to like make that
burden in that stress better.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Just really makes me emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Like I just was like and like just the idea
that in the movie, it was just like almost kind
of like I wanted to call it like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
A rude Goldberg Machine where it was like do you
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Like where it was basically like, Okay, cops are here,
ping ping, ping, ping ping. This is how ever to
do yep, like they had been they knew the drill,
they knew exactly how to get out of it, they knew.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
No one's panicking. Yeah, it's just like I like that
there's a lot of like women that work with him
that are like, all right, here we go, like they're moving,
like let's go, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Everybody that that to me, it was like weirdly hopeful
in a way totally does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Where I was like, yeah, every feels so chaotic and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Every nobody knows what the fuck is going on, But
the idea that there is maybe something that is going
to help is the burden of this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Insane shit right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, made me feel good and made me feel like, wow,
there are and I know that there are, and every
fucking thing that is trying to be dismantled, whether it's
like women's healthcare, LGBTQ writes, like anything, there are people

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behind the scenes that help, and it's almost like you
don't see them because they're kind of working like underground
in a way. And then this this movie was was
basically taking that concept in like making it kind of
like a like I said, it was like a domino
effect or like a rude Goldberg thing where it's like, well,

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we know this is happening, so now it starts the
chain of every And.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think no that I mean, I think
you're totally right. I think that was the most hopeful, beautiful,
heartwarming part of the entire movie. And it kind of
comes down to a fundamental human thing where it's like,
why do we help other people? And sometimes we help

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other people because it's the right thing we do and
we have to we have to do it. It's just
a part of us, you know. It's not all evil
up there, some of us. There are people can help
each other with no concept of getting something in return,
you know, And that's like such a that's such a
basic thing. But I think it's easy to lose sight

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of that. And I think it was really it was just, yeah,
a very beautiful part in this movie. Yeah, and and
like and such a you kind of like didn't realize
it was happening because you're kind of you get so
caught up in all this action of what's going on,
but it's really just this basic thing of people helping
other people.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, and like and again, like I think it. I
think it just rattled me for so obviously for several
different reasons, because the topic is personal to me, the
fact that my man Benicio was at the head of
it being his like calm, collected self, but also the
idea that because I think ultimately and we'll talk about this,

(01:07:25):
I guess maybe at some point when we wrap up.
But you know, this movie is definitely about sides, right.
It's about like, I don't know, us versus them, kind
of feeling whatever side you're on, right, and just about
the ways in which either side sort of operates in
they're weird worlds and their ass and their beliefs, but

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also in their.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
The day to days. Right. Yeah, and yeah, you know,
I you know, this is getting a lot of criticism
from conservatives because they're like, oh, it's all conservative, pro
woke whatever. But I felt like this was kind of
making fun of like wo politics. Oh, I feel like

(01:08:10):
it was like Wokeness Will Not Save You was kind
of like what I felt like at the end of
the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Right, I mean, this is I mean, I wrote this
down in the notes, but it's like, you know, part
of what it is hilarious about this movie for me
personally is that there's this like ideological bureaucracy that exists
with the left sometimes where they just like constantly like
step it on their own fucking toes about things. And
like the best way in the movie that gets talked

(01:08:39):
about is the whole password thing. You know, there's this
whole running This is this runner about how Leo's character
Bob cannot figure out where will it is because they've
established that there's this like password or system to get
through before they reveal, you know, his former group the

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French seventy five reveals the drop points or whatever the
info that he needs, and like they're so completely stuck
on him knowing it that he's losing his shit. Like
he's just like, I am who I am? Tell me
where my fucking daughter is? And they're like, I'm sorry,
you need to answer this, and I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
You know, you should have read the manual more closely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, Like his revolutionaries have a manual that they're hereing
to and that there's this like you know, person on
the phone that's like going to prevent you from you know,
doing your revolutionary activities because of some bureaucracy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yeah, because he can't remember a password and he was
supposed to remember sixteen years ago and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Been like stoned every day since. But it's like, you
know that that is what I'm totally in agreement with you.
I was like, no, I don't think this is like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
A pro woke and I didn't get that at all.
So yeah, I I think at the end of the day,
it's like, you know who side this movie is on
the one that's willing to help the most vulnerable vulnerable people,
and that's that's it, you know, So well, well, there's

(01:10:15):
a there's courage. Courage Millie. One more point to what
you're talking about of being, you know, making fun of wokeness.
I think it's very easy for the left, especially to
kind of get worried about like the optics of is
this cool. Like, I think it's very important to be
kind of like considered cool while being politically involved and

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not being dorky. And I think at the end of
the day, when you're helping people, it's kind of an
awkward it can be kind of like an awkward, dorky
sincere thing and you can't really get too caught up
in that, do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, of course, And like, and there's so much like
social media allows for just those perform remative of shit.
Like it's like, you there's one hundred thousand tiktoks right
now going on where it's like these like curated like
videos of people like saving animals from you know, highways,

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and there's this like fucking music behind it, and you're
just like, oh, like, aren't they so great because they
rescued a baby chick from the freeway or whatever. And
it's like you're sitting here going like, that's all social
media is right now, is performing help, performing good nature
and like. But then you realize hopefully that there are

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so many people doing it without any notice, without any care,
and I don't know, just warms my heart and it,
you know, And that's why this whole part of the
movie really established for me was I was just like, yeah, like,
some people are just good people and they don't want credit,
they don't want to they don't feel cringey about it,
and they're just fucking doing it. And that's like what

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actually helps at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
So yeah, okay, so kind of to start wrapping things up,
we're kind of in the last the final confrontation Lockjaw.
So Willa has been hidden within this nunnery with these
kind of like revolutionary nuns in the hills. Lockjaw and
his military crew find her, and also at the same time,

(01:12:25):
the Christmas Adventurers find out that Lockjaw might have a
biracial baby and was in interracial relationships, so they send
somebody after him as well, and Pat is close on
everyone's tail. He's right behind, he's close. He's looking for Willa.

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But I think one of the scary things about this
is these people are off the map. These people like
don't have a phone number or an address or like
a place to find to track people down. So I
was worried aboiut watching this, Like if Will and Pat
gets separated, I don't know if they have a way

(01:13:06):
of finding each other. Again, did you have that fear
at all? Yeah, I mean there's that whole They have
a device, right, Yeah, but you have to be within
one hundred feet of them to know they're there, and
it doesn't seem like it works all the time. That's
what That's what Pat slash Bob Slash. Leonardo DiCaprio said, yeah,

(01:13:31):
but yeah, this is there's kind of a final showdown. Yeah,
And I don't know if I want to give away
exactly the results of everything that happens here, But I
don't know, what do you think, Can I talk about
the DNA simple thing? Absolutely? So, Lockjaw gets Willa and

(01:13:53):
he has this like DNA tester computer device to find
out if she is in fact his daughter, Go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Milly, Well, it's this very it feels so macabre in
a way where he's got her kind of cornered, right,
and he's basically like, first of all, this psycho, Lockjawn,

(01:14:21):
this fucking utter psycho is is somehow carrying around a
DNA test machine like this little suitcase. I mean, this
shit is like this is no like CBS DNA test kit.
This is like an actual machine that has a centrifuge,
which I'm like, what a fucking absolute psycho.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
That he's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
He's carrying around this like medical grade DNA test and
he's like intent on trying to figure out if he's
the father of this mixed raced child. Okay, And that
to me was like I felt like I was gonna
puke the entire time the sequence was happening, because it
was like he basically establishes that it's either going to

(01:15:10):
be this or that, and it's either going to be
good for you or bad for you, and you don't
actually know what it is until it happens, and maybe
I won't reveal that, right, but it's basically like he's like,
you're either going to be alive or dead depending on
this test, depending on your DNA, which you had nothing,

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no control over, and that I'm going to decide, like you,
if i'm your actual father or not. I'm still deciding
your fate in a weird way. And I was just like,
this is hard. This is hard for me to like
process mentally. And it was like like Sean Penn's character

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Lockjaw in his absolutely most desperate, frenetic crazy like loot,
like an inch away from like completely blowing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
His yeah artural vein or his art like that, Like, man,
you know, teenagers they can really cut you down. I
love that. She was like why is your T shirt
so tight? And he's like, I'm not gay. I'm not gay?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Is that what you're saying? I'm not gay? Set him
off just with one little question. Yeah, he's got one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Of those like tight shirts where he's like biceps are
being hugged by the little seed or whatever, and you
are like, yeah, why.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Is that shirt so tight? And he's just like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And then of course his like resistance to anything that
isn't like white heteronormative culture is like kicks it, and
he's just like fuck you, I'm straight and like I
don't like black people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
What are you talking about? And they're just like, oh
my god, like this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And again, like as over the top as this whole
thing feels like, I'm like, no, there are people right.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Now who are this guy. This guy exists in our
world right now. Absolutely, and it's a stressing It is distressing. No,
I mean it felt very.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Real. I mean I feel like we see these characters
on the news right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Absolutely, And again like just to pull it back to
sort of the authorship or the pta part of it,
you know, it's like yeah, I mean you know, like
I said, he has children who are multiracial, right, he
has a biracial wife, like these are this to me
felt very personal, like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Totally you no, so absolutely, I mean I think as
a white man who has, you know, multiracial children. He
has to start seeing the world in a way. And
I'm speaking for myself as well. You have to start
seeing the world in a way that you didn't as

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just a white guy walking around the streets. You know,
like as a white man, you don't have to worry
about certain things. But now that you know that I
have a daughter, and that PTA has a multiracial daughter,
you are confronted with thinking about the world in a
way that you never had to. And I mean, obviously

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I thought about these things in sort of a hypothetical
or you know, as an intellectual exercise or like empathetic
way for other people, but it is a much more visceral,
real emotion when it's your children, you know. And I
think that came across in the movie, and that was

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something that affected me watching the movie. Yeah, I mean,
I feel like there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Disconnection happening with a lot of people who have people
in their family that are affected by current politics and
they just don't get it, Like they're just like it
doesn't make any sense to me, Like people who are
just like I have a you know, trans daughter, but
I completely go against her life in every political moment

(01:19:25):
that I have, and I'm just like, this is so
fucking crazy. Like I'm just like, we're in a weird mode.
I mean, there's some people that don't care, but then
there are people who do care and people who do
show up for their for their people, and I love
that and I feel like, you know, in a way,
I mean, I don't know, like it's hard to like

(01:19:45):
really pin down. I mean, some some directors are really
really autobiographical where you could really clock things pretty accurately.
Then there's others that are sort of like pulling from
different things. And I haven't seen any interviews with Paul
tam miss Anderson talking about the racial component of this
film or like the you know, the idea of like
what's happening here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I don't know if there are any if.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
You want to send it to us to your movies
exactly rightmedia dot com, But I don't know. It felt
to me like it was a moment where I think
he was like, yeah, this is affecting my family and
affecting my life and I want to talk about it,
which I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, so yeah, you know, what more can you ask
for from an artist? I mean, really to like express
something that they are personally going through.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah, and you know, I don't know, I mean, to me,
it felt like this is like this movie felt like
one of his most more personal movies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
I mean, I think I like it. It's like as
personal as Phantom Thread.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Like there are there are movies where you're like, oh,
he's talking about something real. Maybe it's not directly directly
in your face, but it is something real. But this
felt like it was pretty direct like it it felt
kind of personal.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
I to me, you know, I appreciated the idea that
I don't know if there is a message of it,
but that black women save everyone as they always do,
like they're always in the position of saving people, like

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helping other people in the times that we live in,
like they vote the best, they're constantly taking care of others.
And it was like this movie was saying like to
that effect, like yeah, Willa, you know, has no mother
right now in her life because she's in hiding or
is you know something, and she has to take care

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of herself, but she also has to take care of
her fucking dumbass dad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Who's too stoned to you know, get a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Shit together and you know that to me, I think
is an interesting point to make, and even like not
just Tianna Taylor's character, but Regina Hall her care the
women that work at the nunnery or.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
The nuns, the nuns. So it's like, yeah, I mean
I think that that is a message that he put
in there. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think, you know, back
to the more hopeful side of the movie, I think
it's very in to be very cynical about things, but
I think it is actually unrealistic to think that there's

(01:22:25):
no hope, because there is. And I thought that that's
sort of what I took away, Yeah, from this movie. Well,
I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
I'm glad you thought you think that there's hope I
do in spite of the darkness that I feel. Yes,
so I'm it's getting harder, but it's yeah, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I'm trying. I'm trying very hard.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
So. Well, I think it's like you have to look
to people for hope. You can't to it as sort
of a concept. You know. It's like there are people
who are doing good things out there, and there are
people who are doing very bad things, and a lot
of people who are doing bad things, but there are
still people who want and do good things. Yes, you know, yes?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Boy, Well really this was a really great I really
loved talking about this movie with you too. This was
really good and I really this movie really kind of
really affected me. And I'm back on the PTA train.
I got off, but I'm back on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Can I can I give you a compliment? This is
maybe it's a little bit of a backhanded compliment. I
don't mean this backhand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I don't mean this back handedly. I mean this earnestly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
You are the first and maybe the only white guy
I want to talk to about this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Oh well, thank you. I appreciate it. I have had
several approach me. I'll just say this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I've had several white guys in my life being like, hey,
did you see one battle after another? And I'm like, yes,
I did, and I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
And I knew we were going to do this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
That's why I was like, because I already have a
guy that I want to talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
But I've got a white guy. Thank you, I got
a white guy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
No. I was like, you know what, I want to
save my juice to talk to Casey about it because
It's like, that's the thing is that everybody wants to,
you know, a movie like this comes out and everyone's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Like, what's up, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
You see it?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
What you think? What you think?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
And I'm like, I got no time for you. I
got I only have Casey O'Brien, So.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Get out of here. Oh that's very sweet, Milly. I
appreciate you're welcome. I mean, honestly, it's not a backhanded compliment.
I'm just so I didn't I didn't even take it
as a backhand. Okay, I took it as a front handed.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Oh boy, all right, that was great.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Talk about one battle after another. And now it is
time for employees Picks, which is our film recommendation based
on the theme of the discussion. Millie, what's your employee
pick today?

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Okay, so my employee pick for this week is also
about revolution. Basically, I would say maybe in a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Sci fi.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
Alternate reality dystopia world, I guess. And it is a
movie called Born in Flames from nineteen eighty three, directed
by Lizzie Borden, who I feel like is now getting
the Criterion Collection treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
I feel like there's like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Two of her movies on Criterion now. Working Girls and
Born in Flames. Born in Flames was like, this is
a movie that I remember seeing a long time ago
when I was younger, and I was like, this is
one of the most punk rock movies I've ever seen,
and it was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
It had cool music.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
It is basically a movie about you know, black feminism
and socialist feminism, and it's takes place in New York
City and it's basically like about you know, they use
like they have like a pirate radio station and they're
you know, basically like you know, in the streets, like

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calling out men for being you know, committing assaults, and
you know, it's kind of like, I don't know, it
just sort of like an interesting like it's like people
call it a sci fi movie because I guess it
is taking place in like an alternate timeline where like
a revolution has already happened in America and so this

(01:26:54):
is just kind of like what happens in the aftermath
of that, and this is how these like radical feminists
are sort of handling it. But it's I don't know,
I mean, it's it's a cool movie. Like I said,
I feel like I think Catherine Bigelow, the director, Katherine
Bigelow is in.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
It, oh briefly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Also Florence Kennedy Flo Kennedy, the amazing like radical feminist
civil rights advocate, She's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
In the film. You know, there's just like a lot
of like cool people. Eric Bogosian is in the movie. Briefly.
He was, I don't know, he's kind of got like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
A little interesting downtown New York past. Yeah, And I
don't know. It's kind of like a really cool, interesting,
revolutionary gorilla home home filmmaking kind of type of movie.
And like I said, it's all Criterion Collection now, so
you guys can watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Uh, very good. I haven't seen it. I wrote about it.
I think this is right up my alley. Yeah. I
wrote about it in the Underground Book, I think so. Yeah,
I'll have to look that up because obviously I own
that book. Okay, all right, uh okay. I am going
to recommend a movie from twenty eighteen called Support the Girls,

(01:28:23):
which takes place at like a Hooter's knockoff restaurant, a restaurant,
if you will, and it's a really good encapsulation of
what it's like working at a restaurant, what it feels
like working a dead end job, what it feels like
managing a restaurant, working with shitty customers and having to
work with different personalities at a restaurant. I've never worked

(01:28:47):
at a restaurant, but I, as I mentioned, when you know,
Tony Goldwin complimented me, I have worked in food service before.
But this is a great movie written and directed by
Andrew Bujalski, who did a movie called Computer Chess if
you've ever seen that one. He also did Funny hahah
And it stars Regina Hall. She's the main character in

(01:29:11):
the movie. She plays the manager of the restaurant. And
it also stars an actress named Jungle Pussy who both
of these people are in one battle after another. And
this is Jungle Pussy's first movie and she's great in it.
And yeah, it's just kind of a little slice of

(01:29:32):
life comedy drama. I highly recommend it. It's really good.
I really liked it when it came out, and yeah,
check it out. Amazing rick employee, thank you, thank you
fellow co worker. Uh Millie, Wow, what a great app
Thanks for going deep on one battle after another. Thank

(01:29:54):
you we did it. Oh, thank you. Well. If in
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Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
To we need you to you. We need to feel you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
We need to be in your sauce, in your essence,
in your vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
So we need to feel you exactly. Uh. Next week,
we got a big one Oh boy, oh boy. This
movie also could be called one Battle after another.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
My life could be called one battle after another obviously.
Oh man, I'm excited about this one. So next week
we are going to watch and talk about Predator from
nineteen eighty seven. Damn Predator was nineteen eighty seven. Huh
yes that tracks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Yeah. My former governor, actually two of my former governors
are in this movie. Is Jesse venturing this movie? I
ain't got time to believe. Yes, we got shit. This
is good. That's cool. There's a new Predator movie coming out,
so this is sort of in celebration of that. I'm excited.

(01:31:55):
This is good. This will be a good palate cleanse.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
It will be for sure. Case again, had a great
time talking with you this week. Thank you for going deep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Thank you Millie. All right, see you later, Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
Daniel Kramer and Milli. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye Beer,

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