The Coppola Kids & The Virgin Suicides (2000) featuring Eric Edelstein

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Casey O'Brien, Hi Milie to Jericho. How are you awful?
I just went to the dentist, not but an hour ago.
My novacane is all over my face. I feel like shit.
Three cavities. It's just a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
So three cavities. Would they they tell you need to
do anything special?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
No, they're just I hadn't been to the dentist in
like three years. They didn't really say it was doing
anything bad. I have my wisdom teeth in still, and
they were on my wisdom teeth.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
So you have you have your wisdom teeth.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes, I'm very wise. I the they came in perfectly straight,
and they all came in and so the doctor, the
dentist is like, you can keep these in. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
See I thought that they crowd They crowd the rest
of the teeth, which is why.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
They ain't crowded, perfectly spaced grease. I don't know. I
don't know what's on there. I just I don't feel
like myself. I'm sorry listening audience, if you feel like
this is like the novacane episode, but That's where I'm
at emotionally right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Anyways, Yeah, I'm telling you I'm still like trying to
get adjusted from my trip to Japan, which is so
crazy because I got back like a while ago and
I'm just uh huh, I can't like get the fucking
sleep right and it's driving me crazy. And then all
on top of that, the pollen is so bad in
Atlanta right now that I just feel I feel like

(01:24):
I'm on Nova Kane, even though I'm so We're just
full of like ailments and complaints.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
This is such a good way to start the episode,
just such a lovely positive note to start on. But
merely we have so much exciting things to talk about
this episode. We truly do. I'm thrilled for this episode.
We are talking about those damn Copula kids Sophia Gia Roman. Yeah,

(01:50):
and in particular we're talking about the Virgin suicides from
the year two thousand, which came out twenty five years ago.
Just crazy, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
We keep doing these like little anniversaries, and it's interesting
because these are like I haven't, like, I haven't seen
these movies since they came out. I haven't seen the
Virsion of Suicide since it came out. I have more
to say. Obviously, we might actually dip into because the
Coppola family, as you know, many branches.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Many branches. There's the cousin branch.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, there's the you know, the Schwartzman's, the Nicholas Cage's,
I guess, the Schwartzman's mom, Talia Shire. Yeah. But then also, yeah,
the filmmakers of the family, Roman, Sophia, Gia. Probably there's
probably more people.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Make Francis Ford.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, I feel like we don't have to talk
about him as much.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Do you know? We don't have to talk about that
at all?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But okay, he's there, no disrespect sir, but you know
we know who you are already, Yes, okay, but yeah,
we also have an incredible guest for our area of
expertise this week. Yes, you and I kind of both
fell in love with him.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I was already in love with him. You felt in
love with the conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You knew before me.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But we have the amazing character actor Eric Edelstein on
the episode today, and he wanted to talk about something
that's very very current and I think mirr and dear
to both of our hearts. Baseball.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, he wants to talk a lot about baseball movies,
but specifically we also talk about baseball a lot, which
was really fun to chat with him, especially because you
just were in Japan talking about Show Hey Otani, and
that was that was fun.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
We talked about Show Hey, because we talked about the Dodgers,
because the three of us we all lived or have
lived in la And then we also, you know, he
is part of the David Lynch universe. So yes, again,
I think we you were already in love with him.
I fell in love with him, and now we're in
a throuple. Yeah, and I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yes, unbeknownst to him, maybe we're all in a throuble.
But you know what, he'll find out when he listens
to the podcast. But it was really a fun conversation.
He's just such a delightful person.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So listen, stay tuned, everybody, it's going to be a
fun episode. You're listening to Dear Movies, I Love You,
Dear I Love You, and I've got to know if
you love me to check the boox. Hey, everybody, you're

(04:27):
listening to Dear Movies, I Love You, which is a
podcast all about our love of film, and hey, you
know what, the other day, I was thinking of like
taglines for this section because I was like on the
plane going let me think about my podcast as I'm
sitting here for fourteen hours doing nothing, and I had
a good one. I had a good one cooked up
and now I don't know what it was. Oh no, Yeah,

(04:51):
So anyway.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Bottom line does to get back on a flight to
recall that idea.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Do a lot of thinking on flights.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I am a very emotional place on planes, I feel
like and so I have I do have different types
of thoughts, inspirational thoughts. I don't know, it's a it's
an interesting I'm in an interesting headspace.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm also very emotional on plants. I cry a lot
on plants, especially during movies, but then also when I'm
just like listening to music. Yes, and I heard it's
because we're not getting oxygen sure or something. Right, Isn't
that part of it is that there's some kind of
like oxygen component.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, But Millie, we got to get down to business here, Okay,
grass tacks, Okay, we got to open up the film diary.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Creepy uh.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
This is where we talk about the movies that we
watched most recently and what we think about them. Millie,
do you have any ones that maybe you watched on
a plane ride or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Here's okay, here's what's kind of crazy. I knew this
was coming up, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna
have like a ton of shit to like talk about.
I didn't really watch movies on the plane this time.
I don't know why. I only watched one one movie
and that is fourteen hours going and twelve hours coming back.

(06:22):
I don't know how I avoided this. I know, I
think it's because I slept a lot. But I watched
the film soundtrack to a Coup Destas. Have you heard
of this movie? No, It's a documentary that came out
last year. It was nominated for an Academy Award in

(06:43):
the most recent Academy Awards ceremony, and it was directed
by a Belgian director named Johann Grimanpre And it's it's
actually really interesting because I personally did not know much
about the story. It's essentially about the goings on in

(07:08):
the Congo in the sixties when they were basically breaking
off to form their own like independence from Belgium, right
because they were colonized by Belgium.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And there was a.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I guess a protest at the UN after the Prime Minister,
Patrice Lumumba was essentially assassinated, right and it was Max Roach,
the famous American jazz drummer, and Abby Lincoln, who was
a jazz singer from America. They basically broke into this

(07:48):
council meeting, this un security council meeting, and you know,
basically protested, you know, on behalf of the murder of
this minister of the Congo. And the way that the
film is made is sort of like it feels very jazzy.

(08:10):
It feels like jazz music. It's kind of like moving
through time. It's very like well designed, it feels very sixties,
kind of cool jazz Like there's a lot of like
interesting you know, sort of transitions from scene to scene,
and like a lot of different you know, like Louis
Armstrong was a part of the story, the jazz musician,

(08:33):
American jazz musician, Louis Armstrong, he was part of the story.
At one point, I got to say, it is very complicated.
The story seems very complicated. There's a lot of moving parts,
and I'm not sure if the style of the film
was like the best choice to communicate that sort of

(08:57):
convoluted story that makes sense, Like it's kind of like, really,
I mean, as somebody who didn't really know much about
this at all, I was kind of having a hard
time trying to figure out what was going on because
of the jazziness of it, because it was kind of
moving from thing to thing, and it was like, you know,
but it's fascinating, Like it's a fascinating documentary. I do

(09:18):
like the style of it. I think it's really interesting
to make a documentary like that. And if you knew
about this and if you were really well read, I'm
sure it was an amazing way to tell that story.
But yeah, I think for me, just being a newbie,
I was a little like, I like, I kept having
to rewind parts and I was like, oh, I want
to go back over that again because I'm kind of
not processing what was being communicated. But honestly, it's like

(09:40):
it's a fascinating story, and now I'm just like more
I don't know, I'm just more interested in reading more
about it because it was like, again, like it features
so many like famous American jazz musicians and that whole
component is really interesting to me. Cool so that I
watched on the.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Plane and this is just you were watching on the
back of a somebody's head an airplane.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, and then I also watched rewatched a little movie
called April fools Day from nineteen eighty six, a classic,
an absolutely April. I haven't seen it in a long
long time. I mean, it's so hilarious and many parts

(10:23):
of it cracked me up. I love what's his name?
The first of all, there's so many like good people
in it from other eighties movies. I mean, besides like
deporh Foreman obviously from like Balley Girl, but like there's
like the guy from Just one of the Guys that
plays the love interest in Just one of the Guys.
There's also the girl from Summer School, who's who played

(10:46):
the exotic dancer from Summer School. And then also my favorite,
who is Biff from Back to the Future, who I
gotta say I have a little crush on him in
this movie. I was like, I don't know if his
character is supposed to be gay coded or what, but
I was like, I love this guy.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I believe what Thomas Wilson.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, Yes, And there was like a part of me
that was like, I wonder if he's cool in real life.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
He seems he seems cool. I know, he was like
a stand up and like he's interviews, he seemed cool.
And he was on Freaks and Geeks as the gym teacher,
great on that.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
He's so great on that. Yeah, I'm like, he's gotta
be cool, right, he has like a good energy. He
kind of reminds me of a guy that I mean,
I'm and I'm saying this as you know, as somebody
who was like a back of the classroom, fucking angry,
pissed off like bitch in high school. But he seems

(11:44):
like one of the guys that was like kind of
a jock, but was like friendly and nice and like
was it like he was like cool and like didn't
make you feel like shit, Like he just felt you know,
he felt like that.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I think he famously shared an apartment with Andrew Dice
Clay and Yakov Smirno. God damn, So he's cool.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
What a what a trio can you imagine? So anyway, Yeah,
those are the only two movies that I saw.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It almost April Fool's Day. Just not not to spoil
the movie, but the end of that movie's like so silly.
I see that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You rated in two stars on Wow two stars.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, my turn, Oh yeah, your turn, all right? So, uh,
I watched a little movie for the first time from
nineteen eighty five called to Live and Die in La.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh, Come Home.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Come incredible. I loved it. I loved it too because
it felt very LA But it didn't go to like
the it's out like we're on the Santa Monica Pier.
Now we're in outside of canters. You know. They didn't
go to like the regular places. It felt like a
very specific part of LA, like downtown industrial kind of

(13:14):
areas and stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Bring that up when we did our little uh, I
don't know, just coughing you.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I'm just coughing you. I'm just regurgitating your your takes.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's what happens when you're friends.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, hoping, hoping that you like me more as a
result of it. So, I mean fabulous. It was so dark,
so dark. I was surprised at how dark it was,
but it was great. Maybe you want to watch The
French Connection again?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Have you? Did you watch the special features on that disc?
I don't know how you watched it.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
No, I watched it streaming, so I haven't watched the
special features.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You gotta get try to get a blu ray of it.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
At least.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I love William friedkan.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, but the whole thing with like William Peterson and
John Pankow, like in the car in the Basin is
like the whole conversation that happened. Actually, that guy John
Panco had a lot of great stuff to say about
filming that movie and.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
How I've never seen him before in anything.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, he's awesome.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
He was good.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, But I love William Peterson so much, like just
his whole Like I mean, between To Live and Die
in La and Manhunter, I'm just like, what a fuck
I audition?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Like, why isn't he bigger? He was leading these amazing
movies in the eighties. I feel like I don't know
what happened to his career. Maybe he continued to do
things that I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
But feeling like he was on one of the csis.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, he was, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I mean, to be quite honest with you, if you're
an actor and you can get on a show like that,
fucking stay there. Of course, I'll make the money for
the rest of your life if you're.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
On a show, absolutely absolutely So that was great. Loved it. Yeah,
I loved it. Then okay, a little bit of story
time here. Okay, my daughter Patience has started daycare last
week and everyone was like, you're gonna get sick yep,
And I was like, hau hauh sure. In the first

(15:15):
two weeks, I got neurovirus wow, and patients got double
ear infections and strip throat and got dehydrated. So we
had to go to the emergency room for her to
get an IV.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
So we're in the emergency room at ten o'clock at
night and they're like, do you want to watch a movie?
And I was like, yeah, she's having a horrible time.
I'm having a horrible time. They put on Molana from
twenty sixteen. I'd never seen it. Fabulous, it was great.
It's a great movie.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I loved it. Yeah, the music was good, the story
was good, it was funny. I loved it and so
did Patience, and it saved us. So that was the
other movie I watched this week.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was like when I saw that you were sick,
mm hmm. I was like, oh, yeah, this is like
this this happened to me, even though I don't have children,
but I was I remember when my first nephew. So,
long story short, my sister and her husband went out
of town and they decided to go on a vacation

(16:25):
that I was watching. I decided that I was going
to watch Henry, and Henry had just started daycare. While
they were gone, he got hand, foot in mouth.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah that's a common one.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Right, And I was like, I didn't even know what
the fuck that was and I had to take him.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
It's like, first of all, every disease that you're getting
right now is shit related. By the way, It's like
kids touching poop and then touching other kids. So that's
like the worst part of it is you're like, oh,
it's like a poop, it's a poop disease. So he
looked he was he had the highest favor He looked
like shit. I felt so terrible for him. And then yeah,
I had like a I was sick while he was

(17:03):
also sick, and I'm like, oh, this is being a
parent in a nutshell. Is your kid, you know, goes
to daycare all of a sudden, you're sick forever. But yeah,
the good thing is you're getting immunity, right.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's the thing. There's a steep learning curve, but it
does even out. Yes, so hard hanging a hard two
weeks though, that was a tough time for all of us.
So we're doing better. She's back at daycare right now
and thriving. Anyways, those are the movies I watched this week.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
That's it, Freak don't good bye.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
All Right, we are back for our main discussion today.
We're talking about those damn Copola kids, but we're also
specifically talking about the virgin suicides from the year two
thousand directions by Sophia Coppola. Now mainly the Copola kids.
There's Roman Gia who just last year directed The Last

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Show Girl.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
She's technically a grand kid.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
She's a grand kid. Yeah, so I thought she was
a direct kid. No, no, no, she's she's a grandkid.
She's counted though, we count her and.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
We count her yeah her Okay. So basically her father
was John Carlo Coppola, who passed away, okay, and he
was the oldest ub of Sophia Roman, and that's.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
The okay, thank you. Yeah, there's Roman, there's Ga, and
then there's Sophia, who's probably the biggest one. Yes, And
Roman has helped out in a lot of Wes Anderson
movies m M and yeah, what is your what do
you think? I mean, these are like the ultimate NEPO babies,
But what do you think about them as directors and

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filmmakers in general?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Well, you know what thing is really interesting about this family?
And I think now I can run the through line
after having seen the last Showgirl, right, because here's the thing.
I feel like Sophia has a very distinct style.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, and you know.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
She has a vibe. I mean she's like one of
the ultimate kind of vibey directors, I will say, right,
And you know the thing about her films is that
you know she's obviously got a point of view she
I mean, we could We're going to discuss that in
a minute when we talk about the Virgin Suicides. But Roman,

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who has only made two feature films, I believe I
think he's only directed too. He directed c Q obviously,
which I just resaw because we were going to record
this episode. I have a lot to say about that movie.
And that was from two thousand and one. And then
he directed a movie called A Glimpse Inside the Mind

(20:12):
of Charles Swan IID, and that was in twenty twelve.
Now I haven't seen that one. I've read not good
things about it. It features people that I'm not really
super interested in, but you know whatever, but I haven't
seen it. I just rewatched CQ that was it. But

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the thing that is interesting about both the Roman movies,
Sophia's movies and then now Gia's movies meaning Gia the
daughter of their older brother who has directed things like
Palo Alto, and then obviously the last Showgirl, that was
my favorite movie of last year, is that they all

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have this like very interesting visual style that seems to
be very informed by, like, I don't know, this sort
of like old school. I hate to say the word
retro because retro is such a cornball term, but they're
obviously influenced by sort of like sixties and seventies culture.

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I mean, they all seem like they grew up kind
of interesting like music adjacent, movie adjacent people. They're very stylish.
They all have like a great look to their films,
and I feel like it's a generational thing. I mean,
I feel like I think Roman is a couple years

(21:38):
older than Sofia, and I mean I think she is
way younger. I mean she's like, yeah, she was born
in the late eighties, but somehow still also has a
kind of sensibility towards I don't know, like Americana, but
also just like style, culture, visuals, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I'm just curious about all that because I'm just like,
how an entire family has the best taste in things ever, Yeah,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Like it is interesting too because obviously their dad is
like are they're the patriarch of the family, Francis Ford Coppola.
I would say that their movies don't look or remind
me of his movies, yes at all too, So like
that's sort of interesting that they have their own unique
style outside of their very famous filmmaker father.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, they're like cool, like they're kids.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
They're very cool.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
They're very cool. They have cool references, cool style. I mean,
Sophia Coppola I think is one. I think she's so
beautiful and so stylish, Like she has a great personal style. Yeah,
she kind of reminds me of like a French girl
from the sixties. She's got kind of this like very
effortless beauty, and she dresses very like I mean she's

(23:03):
not I mean she looks great and everything, but her
wardrobe is very basic. I would say, like, you know,
she wears like blazers and like white shirts and like slacks.
I mean, she's very stylish in a way that I
love that style, like I love kind of like sort
of female men's wear adjacent kind of looks right.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
But it's like it's interesting because we're talking about the
version Suicides that being I don't know, would you say
that's kind of her breakout film?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh, it is her breakout film, absolutely, I would say.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Had you did you see it when it came out?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
No, I saw. I think the first Sofia Coppola movie
I saw was Lost in Translation, which is her second movie,
and then I saw this right after. But Sofia Coppola
is interesting because you know, like you said, she's the
ultimate NEPO baby. Her dad she wants to be filmmaker.
Her dad is like one of the most famous filmmakers.

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But she's so cool and independently stylish that no one
seems to have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And also I feel like the things she's exploring are
like interesting because she's always exploring like kind of these privileged,
bored women, you know, who are like imprisoned by their circumstances,
and that sort of seems like something that you would

(24:33):
feel as the child of a famous director, you know.
And so she's making art that is true to herself,
and so I find her stuff endlessly fascinating. I'm always
interested in her movies, yea, you know, even though she
comes from this incredibly privileged background, you know, I think
she has something to say.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So, I mean a lot of times I will just
to extend your sort of analysis about like her films,
which again I think it really crystallized for me after
seeing Priscilla, which is the movie she made in twenty
twenty three about Priscilla Presley, you know, based on the autobiography.

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That was the moment when I realized, oh, she does
have this theme running through her films, and it is
about women who are basically like not you know, trapped.
I guess it's the best trapped or at least like
but they all seem to be like waiting for men.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Where they're and this is the way it isn't lost
in translation. It's obviously this way for the virgin suicides Priscilla, Yeah,
where it's basically women who are being trapped or put
away by the men in their lives. Yes, and that
is an interesting concept I think, obviously coming from her background,

(25:56):
her perspective, like when you think about like the way
she grew up, you know, I don't know. To me,
I feel like as a woman, that really resonates with me.
And I'm like, yeah, you know, as much as like,
I don't know, it would be really easy for a
person who is like a film bro or whoever to
be like, oh, she makes the same movie all the time,
so I can know the trupped woman will get whatever.

(26:18):
To me, I'm like, wow, that's an interesting topic to
just keep coming back to over and over again because
I think that, you know, in some ways it is
maybe a metaphor for her experience, but also the experience
of women, right, of women who are maybe even trying
to work in film, trying to create their own lives,
but are always like.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I mean, it's a rich, you know, ground to keep
coming back, it's a fertile ground to keep coming back to,
Like there's a lot to be explored. I love all
of those movies. Another one, The Bling Ring, which I
haven't actually seen. I've seen it, but that sort of
seems to be dealing with similar themes too, bored women.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well and like and the use of music and her
films is so important. I mean, she's you know. I
talked about this a couple episodes ago when I talked
about the Jesus and Mary Chain in Loss and Translation,
which I also rewatched, So I rewatched, Okay, when we
were preparing for this episode, I obviously rewatch The Virgin Suicides.
I rewatched Lost in Translation, and I did that obviously

(27:25):
because I just got back from Japan as well. But
then I rewatched CQ. And I will talk about Roman
in a second, but the Yeah, so the interesting thing
about The Virgin Suicides to me is that I remember
when it came out because I was in college when
it came out, and I saw it when it came
out at my college movie theater. It is very to me,

(27:51):
and this is the thing that I think about with
her specifically, but also Romans CQ. These are movies that
were basically made in and around like the two K era,
so like late nineties, early two thousands, right, And because
I was alive and I was an adult and I

(28:13):
was participating in this, I like the version Suicides and
CQ specifically made me extremely nostalgic for the late nineties
and early two thousands, sort of its own nostalgia for

(28:34):
the sixties and seventies totally. And I talked about this
on a substack a long time ago. I had a
substack post a long time ago talking about this was
my era, late nineties, early two thousands. I was in college,
I was in film school. I was like obsessed with
foreign directors, going out to like britpop night listening to

(28:58):
you know, like French yee music and Japanese like bands
like the Pizocado Five, and you know, I was like
obsessed with kind of this like international kind of like
jet set culture that was informed by like sixties and
seventies movies essentially, and sixties and seventies culture, right, Yeah,

(29:21):
And that's what The Virgin Suicides really feels like now,
is like, oh, I remember in ninety nine being obsessed
with like ten CC's I'm Not in Love and like
the Hollies, the air that I breathed like this kind
of like seventies.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
AM radio totally, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Like hazy, beautiful, like Laura Ashley looking girls in their
like beautiful feathered hair.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, it is funny to like look back on that
time and think about how they were obsessed with a
previous generation. And this happens all the time, Like the
nineties are obsessed with the seventies, even down to like
when it got to more mainstream fair like that seventies
show coming out, you know, like this obsession with the seventies.
But then in this if you look back in the seventies,

(30:12):
they were obsessed with the fifties yep, you know, like
Happy Days and all that. So it is funny to
like look back on like past generations nostalgia for past generations.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I know, it's like it's weird to have a
nostalgia for a nostalgia, you know, but that's how I
felt when I rewatched The Virgin Suicides. And it's funny
because I remember when, like I think the Freaks and
Geeks was happening around the same time as this film,
like early two thousands. And they also there's an episode
of Freaks Sinks where they also use come sail away

(30:45):
by six.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes, I was thinking about that in the dance scene
in Virgin Suicide, right.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And I was like, oh yeah, so like this is
no surprise to me that these two different bodies of
work would be like at assessing the same memory in
a way. But for this song, and that was kind
of like, Yeah, I think it's totally age related. I think,
you know, I think Sophia was.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
God.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I think she was born in the like early seventies.
Think she's a seventy She was born seventy one, so
you know, obviously like she was a child of this
era of like the late seventies, early eighties, she probably
has a lot of nostalgia for this look this vibe,
you know, and I think when you filter that nostalgia

(31:34):
through sort of the way that she makes movies which
are very like dream like and very beautiful featuring like
beautiful women, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, this
is a total like this movie is probably the best
representation of her style.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
And totally I think that's true. Yeah, totally. Do you
mind if I do a quick synopsis?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
For this he tell the people what virtually tell the people.
So we're in suburban Michigan, baby, outside of Detroit. It's
nineteen seventy five, and the five Lisbon sisters are these
mysterious beautiful blonde girls who are the fascination of a
group of boys in the neighborhood. The story is sort
of told from these boys perspective. The girls are very

(32:17):
sheltered by their strict parents, their strict Catholic parents, but
things really rip wide open when the youngest sister, Cecilia,
attempts suicide. The parents they're played by James Woods and
Kathleen Turner, and they're told by a therapist to let
the girls lead a more social, normal social life, so
as a result, they invite boys over to their place
for a party, and the girls even eventually get to

(32:37):
go to a dance. But when the sister Lucks played
by Kirsten Dunst, stays out all night after the dance,
the parents clamp down and imprison the girls. Things go
from bad to very bad, very very bad. All the
while the neighborhood boys fascination with these girls continues to grow.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That was lovely, then, thank.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
You for thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So speaking of these boys.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
The boys, these sensitive boys.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Ah, this is like one of the best parts of
this rewatch for me.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
But the boys, well, just.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
The idea of male longing.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, you a man who yearns.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
A man who earns. It's the topic right now. It's
a topic. You know, being on these social media streets
as often as I am, you do notice, like especially
on TikTok, I would say, you do notice, like you know,
there's sort of trends of things.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
There's like.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Certain topics that get brought up over and over and
over again by certain TikTok creators. And I'm just also
fascinated by the way, you know, young people are emoting
and expressing themselves and trying to figure out like what
are they into, what are they not into? And it
seems to me that there is this like fascination with
male yearning male longing, and I think it's because you know,

(33:58):
I think we all want men to be softer and
more emotional and more evolved, and part of it is
that they have to experience what it's like to long
and to yearn in the ways that you know we've
experienced it as not men, let's just say that, or

(34:18):
at least not a straight guy men.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
It is interesting. I mean, the boys in this are
sort of revolutionary in terms of like representation on screen,
because yes, they like want to like hook up with
these girls. That's certainly a part of it. I'm not
going to pringtend that's like not a part of it,
but they also like more than that, it feels like
they want to know who they are. They want to
understand them, and they're like stealing when they stole Cecilia's

(34:46):
diary and read it, and there's a part where they're
like we were beginning to understand how hard it is
to be a girl, they say something like that, or
like what it's like to be a girl. Yeah, And
like I'm not going to go as far as to
say as it's like a trans storyline, but it is
a like really interesting depiction of men being like we

(35:08):
want to know these women, not just to like have
sex with them, but we want we like want to
know them. We don't understand them, and we need like
we want to know why they are the way they
are and like who they are in like a really sincere,
non predatory way, you know. And it was like it

(35:30):
was that that was a big joy for me as
well watching it on this rewatch.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean, like the bar is so low for
men at this point, right that the idea that they
would be even curious about us, right is lovely to me.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yes, it is. It's it's very lovely you know in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, because so so much of like patriarchy and the
culture that is being run by these fucking terrible men
right now is that they don't get us. They don't
understand our bodies, they don't care about our rights.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
They don't care, they don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
They don't want to know, and they think it's like
fucked up or like you know, So I think that
like my heart responds so positively to like any man
who wants to like know, like where I'm just like,
holy shit, like you want to know about our emotions
and our interior lives and our bodies and the way
it works. Like it's not like you're not like too

(36:37):
macho or too cool to know And I don't know.
To me, that just it really like especially I think now,
I mean, I think it obviously is related to sort
of geopolitical events that are happening in our world right now,
but also just as I'm getting older as a woman,
I'm just like, yeah, I'm processing so much more about

(37:00):
my womanhood and maleness in regards to my womanhood and
the ways in which, like I don't know, like men
have responded to me and to women like throughout my
life and just observing it, and I'm just sort of like, yeah,
I don't know it really like it really like affected

(37:20):
me this time when I rewatched it, you know, and
it did, like I think when I first watched The
Virgin Suicides, obviously it was in my twenties, and I
did kind of see it as a like, oh, it's
like some horny guys like and not to say that
the girls aren't horny. The girls are horny too, Let's
get serious. They want to know about boys. They especially
lux the Kirsten Dunn's character. She obviously knows her own

(37:47):
sexual power and she knows what she brings to the table,
and she like wants to be free to explore her sexuality.
But obviously she comes from this like crazy family that
doesn't allow for that, and you know it frustrates all
of them, not just her, but you know, like the
rest of the sisters too. I think they want boyfriends,
They want to experience sex and love and everything. And

(38:12):
it's I think when I first saw the movie that
was really the story for me, is like, oh, it's
just like teenagers who want to like make out to
like playground love by error or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, well, I think it's it's really well represented in
that scene where they are calling each other the boys,
the group of boys. I mean, this is like one
of the all time scenes, I feel like, where like
these boys and the Lisbon sisters are just playing records
for each other over the phone. Yeah, you know, and

(38:45):
they're just sort of sharing this space in this moment together.
They're not even talking, but they're like sharing sharing with
each other, and it's like it's so beautiful to see
and so gentle and so sensitive.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, and they have to be that way. It's like
it's almost like they're sending like secret codes to each
other because of the circumstance of the parents. And I
did not grow up in a religious household. Okay, I
don't know. I mean, I grew up Catholic, but I
didn't grow up that Catholic. Let's just say I.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Grew up pretty Catholic. But you know, my my parents
are very liberal, pro choice people. They're not like these parents,
you know.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Well, and like that to me was sort of the Yeah,
I did not read the original book, the Jeffrey Eugenity's
book neither. Okay, I kind of want to now I'm
not so stupid. I'm like, oh, I've had a long
time to actually read that book. I should have just
read it already, because I obviously think part of like

(39:49):
the story of this it's so tragic and it's so like,
oh my god. I mean, an entire group of sisters
on a lives themselves essentially is the very, very very
basic storyline. And it's because they just are trapped and

(40:13):
they don't feel like they're able to really live. And
I'm like, to me, and it all comes back to
sort of religion and sort of the purity of girls
and like what like people trying to control these things,
which is like it's impossible. Sorry, people like I know
that you're a parent, you're about you're you have a daughter,

(40:36):
you have a daughter, Casey, I'm telling you right now,
it's going to be impossible to predict or control the
ways in which you know your child or your children
are going to like exist as they are aging. Like,

(40:56):
I was so curious as a girl. I was so curious.
I'm saying. I'm not saying I acted upon every impulse
that I had, and thank fucking God, because you know,
i'd be a disaster. But I was so curious about everything.
I wanted to know everything, I wanted to read everything,
I wanted to experience things. I mean, this is like

(41:17):
the thing of my entire life. I mean, I'm still
this way obviously, I'm I'm flying to Japan alone to
go experience things. It's like, I don't have kids, I'm
not married, I'm like out here in the world, like
just wanting to absorb every fucking thing I can. And
that was like watching this film again and just feeling

(41:42):
the feeling the effects or the idea of just trying
to prevent women or especially young women from wanting things
and from wanting to know things. I mean, and that's
the heartbreak of the story.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Obviously, you know it is. You're totally right, it is.
Watching it again, I was like I was taken with
I'm like, this is so unbelievably tragic and dark. Yes,
like on the face of it, in different hands, this

(42:22):
could be a really wretched experience watching this movie. But
I think that's what makes this movie so special and
why Sophia Coppola is such a good filmmaker, is this
balancing act of this movie feels so dreamy. It's almost
as if it's not real or it's like there's a

(42:45):
quality to it that is softened, and I think that's
necessary as a viewer to feel that dreaminess or like
because if this was like, if this felt a little
more realistic or a little bit more I don't know, grounded,
or like in a way that like punched you in

(43:06):
the gut more, I don't know if I could rewatch
this movie. Yeah, you know, do you understand what I'm saying.
It's like the way this is handled, it's like a
magic trick. It's really a wonderful balancing act that she
does in order to make this movie not the most
crippling film watching experience of your life, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Well, And I agree, And I think it goes back
to something that I said in previous episodes about this era,
this two K era, which generally was gross. Like if
you remember back, it was like all these guys that
were like, you know, making music and making movies, and
there was the milk culture, the virgin culture.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
We talked about this with Maxim.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, Maxim Magazine, Girls gone wild like you know, Woodstuck
ninety nine. Need I say more? But it's like there
was I think I do sense that there was like
sexuality was on the table in such a big way
in this era. Ye, And I feel like the In

(44:13):
the Hands of the Men, we saw obviously what happened there,
the idea that Sofia Coppola made this movie about teenage
girls and sort of made it sexy and made it
like she made it sexy, but also made it about
sexuality in a way that was like not sleazy and
but sort of winking at it in a way, because

(44:37):
you know, seventies sexuality has its own It's just got
its own world right totally, the whole like, yeah, low
rise pants with the halter tops and the like, you know,
and there's a lot of like visual nostalgia for that era.
And somehow she was able to make this movie and

(44:59):
make it good and interesting and not shitty and exploitative,
and you know, like I said, like you just said,
in different hands, it would have been an unpleasant watch
for so many reasons. Right now, I want to talk
about CQ a little bit because I also rewatched that.
Have you seen CQ before? No? I haven't, No, Casey,

(45:22):
I think you would actually really like it.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
It's I know I would. I remember in high school
people really liked it, and I just never got a
chance to check it out.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, let me just tell you right now, CQ came
out again. This era, this era came It came out
in two thousand and one. I remember the soundtrack before
I remember the movie because they fund that soundtrack was
hitten like it was at all of these moves, all
these movie soundtracks were hidden. The version of Suicide soundtrack

(45:51):
again still classic. There's a lot of like old school
songs on there, like the ten sc stuff, but also
the band Air the Frenchman era was one of my
favorite bands ever. They do a lot of songs and
they had a very legendary I think they released their
own soundtrack to the film. It's like kind of a score, ok.

(46:12):
But anyway, it's like it came out as an album
of theirs. But CQ is like again, you want to
talk about a movie that is completely nostalgic for the
late sixties maybe early seventies era of filmmaking, especially international filmmaking.
I mean, it's basically a movie starring Jeremy Davies, who

(46:35):
was one of my brown hair cutie boy Kings twenty boys.
Always loved Jeremy Davies. Speaking of Justified, he's incredible and justified.
I love Jeremy Davies and he's the lead of this
movie CQ. And this movie is absolutely it's just like
a vibe movie that's based on late sixties Italian French film.

(47:02):
I mean, there's a movie. It's a movie about a movie. Essentially,
it's a movie about a Barbarrella esque film that's being
made in the late sixties in France in Italy, and
Jeremy Davies's character is the editor on the film and
then I guess throughout the movie he's also making his

(47:24):
own film, which feels very like French new wave you know,
guitar Truffau, but the style of it is so sixties,
it's very I mean, it's just basically like an ode
to this era, right, and like the woman who plays

(47:44):
the Barberrella character is very like Jane Fonda adjacent. And
it's just I think you would love it.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It really is. I gotta check it out.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, it's a snapshot of a time. But again, like
going back to what we were saying earlier about sort
of the fascination in the nostalge for this era, this
is this movie in general, Like yeah, you know, it's
basically an homage to all these great filmmakers, and you know,
this great kind of continental European style, and I was

(48:15):
obsessed with it. I was like, I remember when they
were bumping the CQ soundtrack at Britpop Night in Atlanta,
and I was like, oh, yeah, every person had a
flight bag, a sixties flight bag. Everybody had the swoopy bangs.
The boys had the swoopy bangs, and they were all
wearing they're like three button mod suits. Oh yeah, And
I was like, Damn, c Q couldn't have hit at

(48:37):
a more perfect time for that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Well, this was a great combo about those damn couple
of kids and virgin suicides. I loved watching this movie
again and loved talking about all this stuff. Thank you Millan.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh of course, so we didn't even get to talk
about Gea, but but I've talked about her before in
the last show. Well, that movie is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
So there's just too this was too rich of a top.
There's just we could go on forever, but let's move
on to our fabulous conversation with the wonderful Eric Edelstein.

(49:17):
All Right, everybody, we're back with another segment of our
My area of expertise, and we have a true expert
on the show today. He's a actor, he's a voice
over artist. He's one of the best character actors working
right now. I'm always elated when I see him in something.
Eric Edelstein, thank you so much for being on the

(49:41):
show today. We're thrilled to have you here. You know,
this is a show about kind of our relationship with movies.
What's your kind of relationship with movies? How do you
watch them, how do you kind of absorb them, what's
your sort of process and relationship with the beautiful art
form of film.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I mean, I think for me, it's going to the
theater as a kid and just seeing this other world.
Like I remember seeing Star Wars when it was reissued,
I believe in nineteen eighty one. But I just wanted
to be Han solo and I wanted to do that.
And then I remember, you know, watching Ghostbusters over and
over and over again, and it just solidified this love

(50:27):
for it. Yeah, and my grandparents were super into cool movies,
so I would watch like older stuff with my grandfather
and older TV stuff, and it's just it was always
my dream and my favorite thing. And now I love
going to like the New BEV and seeing their stuff.
I wanted to go last night to them Semi Tough

(50:48):
with Burt Reynolds and Chris Christophers.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Oh I love that movie.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Oh I haven't seen in years. Is it great?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
It's so weird and great and I actually love it.
I saw it for the first time out the New
Beverly like a couple of years ago when Burt Reynolds
died and they did a tribute and it was I'd
never I actually never even heard of it, and I
was like wandering and blind, which is like, that's what
The New Beverly is really good at. Is playing that
second feature and you're like, I don't even know what

(51:14):
this is, but you stay and you're like, holy shit,
like this just blew my mind.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Oh I love it.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I know, it's so so interesting, it's so seventies, it's
so like I mean, it's just awesome.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
It's awesome. So well and those two together. Did you
go to that run of like Q and A's and
screenings with Bert It was maybe eight months before he died.
Oh wow, No, it was out here at Bertlemania. I
definitely got busted trying to get his book signed by
like someone fancy, but yet if Burt's there, you got
you gotta try. I remember our friend of the program,
Josh Fadim, asked a really great question that like engage

(51:48):
Bert because you're talking before it is like the last
thing you want is to piss off Bert Reynolds.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
No, And it seems sort of easy to Yeah. And
he's a god.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
He's a god here at Georgia because you know, he
filmed all these movies here and I mean he's like
the king around here. So I have a lot of
love for him so well.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
And I also love how much like the Burt Reynolds
Town lead Him stuff I think seeped into Months upon
a Time in Hollywood. Oh totally, Oh totally, yeah right,
it's so cool and like how lead Him did so
much cool stuff, like what a fun path the directing
of like stuntman to director.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Oh, I know, I mean honestly, like Smoking the bandit
is one of my like top five. I feel like
it's it's just like a Southern classic. It's just so
fun and they're like everyone's having a blast and it's
just such a good movie.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I love it the best, the best.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
So Eric, when you were kind of getting like, you know,
like discovering movies when when you want to did that
inspire you? Did you want to be an actor in
movies specifically or were you just like acting in general?
Like how did that kind of Was it movies that
you originally were sort of interested in being in or
was it another sort of artful Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I was always real into the character actors. That's always
thought they were so cool. And then you'd watch them
from thing to thing. And this was pre internet, so
it wasn't easily accessible, but you do the research you could,
and I think even at that age, I kind of
knew that that was the path forward.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Then I started acting in theater as a kid, and
you know, it was the even what I do now,
either the bad idea buddy or the.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Bad guy, it's just an idea.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
It's so and you know, if you're acting, it should
still be like how you feel when you're a kid,
should still be like playing.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, it's so really well the area of expertise that
you have brought to us. We were both pretty excited
about it because the baseball season is just starting and
you wanted to talk about baseball movies. So the timing
of this is just perfect. What what? What is it
about baseball as a sport that you feel like makes

(53:58):
a good movie because.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Because it's so the game lends itself to cinema in
such a cool way. And you know, it used to
be the game could go on for an infinite amount
of time. Yeah, now they have a pitchclock, which I
actually don't mind. It's nice to be able to like
like and I was a purist and railed against it
and I was wrong. I was wrong, And it's always
nice to hear somebody say that I feel like these days,

(54:21):
but there's just something that lends itself to it so well.
And I am one of those. Baseball is a metaphor
for America guys. And that's where baseball movies really can
dig in if you look deeper, because it's not you know,
a lot of them are sunshine and optimism, but there's
also some stuff that really does kind of reflect what's
wild in America as well.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Where did you grow up? Did you like your hometown
baseball team? You said, is that.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Where you grew up?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I grew up in Vancouver, Washington, which is a suburb
of Portland, Oregon. And they didn't have a team, so
a lot of people were either Mariners fans or didn't
like the Mariners because Seattle is a rival city. So
I grew up a White Sox fan. Oh, my dad
lite Sox fans. We'd go to like White Sox series
and it was a fun time with like Frank Thomas
and po Jack. Yeah, it was. It was a blast,

(55:12):
and the you know, the Big Hurt was my favorite player.
But as a kid, I got super into old baseball
and I like traded all my modern baseball cards and
got like guys from the Black Sox era because I
got obsessed with the nineteen nineteen White Sox after watching
eight Man Out in Field of Dreams. Oh yeah, because yeah,

(55:33):
poor little kid already into it and that comes out
at the same time it's going to be this massive thing.
And I just got obsessed with the Black Sox scandal.
I remember I traded all my modern cards and I
got this beat up, shoeless Joe Jackson card in poor condition,
but I just it's and I'm still still a nerd
for baseball cards. My poor wife, there's nothing talking about

(55:56):
coming home and seeing a stack of envelopes with your
husband's baseball cards. Oh is it?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Are you still a White Sox fan? Is that your
main team?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I it was very easy for me to come down here,
and I remember working in bars, but all the everyone
that worked in a bar would have a Dodger hat on.
It was such a great way to talk to people.
So I started going to Dodger games down here. It's
very easy to fall in love with the Dodgers and
Dodgers stadium.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Your stadium is seductive, man, it is. I mean, it
really brings you right in. It's hard not to become
a fan when you go to a game.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh it's well, it's that. It's the greatest mid century
modern And I love the top deck because you're up high,
you watch that sunset, you're watching the hills, and it's
just legends up there. It's pure Los Angeles because it's
a bunch of folks from everywhere whose families came from everywhere.
And then they're the best, hysterically funny. You know the

(57:00):
game and it's just a joy. And then I'm a
nerd for sho he Otani. Well it's deep level again,
my poor wife, because I got super into him and
I dragged my buddy to see his first ever pitching
start at Angel Stadium. Wow. And then I started buying

(57:24):
up his Japanese baseball cards. Oh wow, because of like, well,
hold on his rookie card. That's worth a ton of money,
isn't twenty eighteen. It's these ones nobody knows about from
twenty twenty thirteen, and they come and like Colby chip wrappers,
they're so fun, so I'd get the I started getting

(57:44):
those of like, oh, Tani coming to the Dodgers with
something I dreamed about because I've gone down there consistently
taken the train down much as many of his pitching
starts as I could, and it was so sad and
so depressing because he had the worst players around him. Yeah,
and you cry. I had one time just out of sheer.
He wants to win so bad and he is this
joyous guy. Yeah, so it's fun. And everybody, since we're

(58:07):
talking baseball movies, should watch the documentary that came out
on him last year. I think Beyond the Dream enough.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, I just I just got back from Japan and
they he is like Michael Jordan on steroids there, like
he is everywhere, Like it's like they'll photoshop his face
onto like every you know freaking flyer that is on
a you know, wherever, a in a coffee shop, like

(58:37):
he's he's a god there, and it's it was so
awesome because I was just like, I love the Dodgers
just like you. I I grew up loving the Braves,
obviously because I'm from Atlanta. But then when I moved
to LA, and I'd always like the Dodgers because I'm
an ANL girl, so I was like, you know, you
just know your teams in your league or whatever. But

(58:57):
then it was like when I moved to LA, like
Matt Kemp was still playing, I think, and I was
obsessed with Matt Kemp, and then it's like I love
you know, Key K and like all the like even
Freddy Freddy Freeman came over from the Braves and it
became this like huge deal for me to watch the Dodgers,
and it was like and they all are like so

(59:18):
funny and like there it's such a diverse team, which
is the reason why I think I love show Hay
so much, because you know, the Braves don't have like
three Japanese guys on their team, you know what I mean.
It's just like an amazing and like they're fans like
seeing the Japanese fans, seeing the Latino fans like come
out and they have their like jerseys in Spanish, and

(59:39):
I mean it's just so heartwarming. I'm just like, I
couldn't love the Dodgers more honestly, and I love show
Hay so much. He's so great.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Fred's next time we hear we should all rally again.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Oh my god, we got it.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
It's also ridiculous because for some reason, tickets have not
gone crazy. Yeah, so I will drive there, park my
car up in the hill above like a crazy person.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That's what I did to that was I just refused
to park in that giant parking lot was so expensive.
You could walk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, Will there's the one street. I will not name
the street now. I guess perhaps it's Gate, but there's
one street and you can get like you know, an
hour before and yeah, beat the system, every character, actor, behavior,
you figure it out. No, you have to be that way,
you have to. And then you know every city I go,
I go to baseball revolves around as much of it

(01:00:30):
as it can. Baseball, live music. Yeah, so I just
got to work in Tulsa for a bunch and that's
a dream because you know the character actors scheduled gloriously,
you're only working two or three days a week. Sure
that has to watch you come until stories. I'd seen
the Tulsa sound music every night and multiple Tulsa Thrillers games,
but it is so fun and minor league baseball is

(01:00:52):
above and beyond. That's where we get into Bull Durham,
which has to be in any discussion. I think three
baseball movies, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, yeah, we wanted to talk to you about base
movies and we were I was actually really curious. I
was just like there because there's so many baseball movies,
and I'm like, I wonder what Eric's gonna pick is
his like top faves?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
So what are some of your top faves?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Number one will always be still to this day eight
Men out yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And that's John Sales, who I just love. Yep. And
he's another one where he's he is always doing Q
and as around town and is really accessible and really
cool and I love everything. I was just watching Lone
Star a bunch after Chris chrostofts and passed away because
that was really his giant comeback movie. But I think
eight Man out if we're talking about also the undercurrent

(01:01:42):
of America, because you know they were originally called the
Black Sox because their owner wouldn't watch their uniforms and
it was so cheap, and they see these, you know,
he won't pay them more than like thirty five hundred
a year. There's the famous story that's in the movie
David Strathorn is Eddie Secatt, Like are you kidding? Like
just that cast and a cast alone, you just go around.

(01:02:04):
You've got David Stratharn, You've got early Charlie Sheen, who's incredible,
Bill Irwin, the America's greatest clown, like truely amazing, and
then like mister Neutracle and Ring Lardner as journalists like
and a great performance from Stud's Tircle. And I always
love non actors or non traditional actors and stuff like

(01:02:27):
I thought Gorevidal was awesome in that movie Bob Roberts,
which is completely underrated. Yeah, oh yeah, right, that one
should be talked about more, like you know, facing the
crowds prophetic, but Bob Roberts evemore. That's what a nerd
I was is. I was going as like a twelve
year old watch Bob Roberts over and over and over
again in a theater. One of us, Tim Roberts wouldn't

(01:02:48):
release the soundtrack, so I brought it because the songs
are kind of could be used for evil, so I
brought in a micro cassette recorder to listen to these. Yeah,
oh yeah, I'd say Out is the peak baseball movie.
It's my greatest baseball movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yeah, that's fairly good. What other what other baseball movies
are in? You are in your like top three, top
five baseball movies.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Well, it may be the easy pick, but every single
time I watch Field of Dreams, it gets me. I
just love it so much. I love everything about it.
But the performance of James Earl Jones. He's just one
of my all time favorites. And think of the range
to be able to go to play Terrence Mann at

(01:03:34):
Darth Vader and and everything in between, Yes, and just
the whole. I love the moment of him of like
when they're at the ballpark he successfully kidnapped him and
he's like, what do you want? Want? People leave me
a load, asked me to speak again, to write again.
I just want to do my job in privacy. Want

(01:03:57):
dog and a B Eric, that's good move, like Graham,
you saw it, saw what Ray. But it's just one
of those where the movie is just it's so completely illogical.
It is a really movie that the movie got made
with that there's a wonderful podcast series on it now

(01:04:20):
that's absolutely phenomenal. But think about that pitch and I'd
love to think a movie like that could get made today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I mean despite you know, like obviously there's like
an element of fantasy to that movie where they're like
these ballplayers are coming back, these ghosts of ballplayers are
coming back. But there's also this stuff where it's like
they're traveling through time at like too it is quite
it's wacky. It's a wacky movie.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Oh yeah, he goes for a walk and he runs
into Burt Lancaster in nineteen seventy two. Yeah, just an
all time powerhouse scene. Well I better be going, Alicia'll
think I gotta go. And it's just incredible. But the
whole thing is so are so weird. You know, you
have Rayle Lioda and people, you know, it's one of

(01:05:06):
the people love to pick on him for not batting
left handed, but like think about that casting of like
Ray Liota as Shoulis Joe Jackson, and I think that
that's probably, you know, maybe even closer in casting than
dB Sweeney in because yeah, Shuless Joe was a sharp guy.
I think he also had that undercurrent of a little

(01:05:28):
bit of mischief, a little bit of danger, like Rayleoda had.
dB Sweeney also nailed it. We all love him. I
saw him at an La Kings game as completely starstrug.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Let me let me tell you, I gotta I got
a little story about dB because you know, I was
a huge I was a big fan of his speaking
of character actors, I loved him and well, I saw him,
to be completely honest with you, the first time I
saw him was in The Cutting Edge, which is that
of course skate that's skating movie. But then the reason
why I watched eight Man Out was because he was
in it, and I watched you know, Memphis Bell. I

(01:05:59):
watched everything, and I talked about him so much on
my prior podcast that he somebody like uh snitch tagged
him or on Twitter and told him about it. I
talked to I talked about him about Memphis Bell, and
he actually sent an email to the podcast and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
He did I don't know if I knew this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I got this shit printed out. It's printed out and
it's hanging on my wall in front of me because
I was so fucking thrilled that he actually listened to
it and he was just like he was so nice.
He was like, thank you for talking about me, and
I was talking about it like I was like, oh,
I had a crush on him when I was like,
you know, a kid or whatever, and he was really
really really funny and sweet about it. And ever since then,

(01:06:40):
I'm like, that's the that's the dude. I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
So that's so great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I love him. And I also feel like we are
due very soon for a massive dB Sweeney comeback.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Oh god, yes, let's write ready.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
It's gonna happen. He's so great and a lot a
lot of actors like him are like a fine wine
only getting better, and he'll I think he's one of
those other massive resurgence. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I think he's only in his early sixties. I mean
he's good to go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah. And I think also too, like to your profession specifically,
I think fans of character actors are special, Like we're
a special type, right because you it's like we love
you know, who's like not in the you know, foreground
for the majority of the movie. We like the people
who are in the back. And so I feel like
it's this like specific type of fandom. I don't know

(01:07:25):
if you've experienced that's been your work, if people have
come up to you and been like, oh my god,
I loved you as this like person, I'm obsessed with
this character. You're the best.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I live for it. I love it. And there's also
a weird, wonderful pocket of kids that love for some reason,
my character in Jurassic World is their favorite real l
spoiler alert. I didn't last long in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I didn't even have a name.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
But for some reason, these kids, you know, because I
went out whimpering and crying, and I think they feel
sorry for me. So so when the kids, when the
kids from that come up, it's always very cool. And yeah,
there's just and then you know, I can also kind
of tell sometimes what people know me from based on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I was going to ask you, like, what can you
tell when someone's approaching you, like, oh, they're this fan.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
I could tell lynch heads, so I am one and
I am them. But I can usually tell a twin
peaks person as supposed to as opposed to like a
shameless person. Yeah, sure, yeah, you can just kind of tell.
And then also, so much of my life is just
walking people through where they know me from, like a
hilarious amount of it, And I don't mind at all.

(01:08:36):
I'm happy to help work it out because it'll keep
it'll drive them crazy, sure, and now it's at least
a point. For a long time, it was they thought
I worked in a bar, they thought it was Ronnie's cousin.
It was, I think. And so now now we're just
baby steps. They do know they know me from TV somewhere,
but they're not sure where. So I'll just walk them

(01:08:58):
through it. But it's also people love saying no, like
curb your enthusiasm, no parts of Wreck, No, I didn't
watch that shameless. No, it's really funny, Like there's this
Glee they have like no, no, Like it's funny with
people like will hang out with me one night. It'll
happen three or four times, and it's I do not
mind at all, and I feel like it just gets

(01:09:19):
I'll do a rapid fire until they help figure it out.
I'm thrilled they're coming up to figure it out because
it means, you know, at least they've seen me in
something that's cool. So I'm happy to help them. But
it does drive some some character actors a little crazy.
Oh yeah, And I'm like, I think, I think the
ways you just do rapid fire with the credits help
them figure it out, because it's not gonna stop driving

(01:09:41):
them crazy, and they'll see they will circle back trying
to figure it out, trying to figure it out, or
if they think they know you from a bar or
high school, trying to figure it out. So I think
you just help everybody through it, and it's a great
problem to have. Yeah, you know you from some aren't
sure what that's awesome? I'm playing with house money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah great, Well I want to Shed's obviously here, David Lynchd's.
So can I ask you what it was like to
work on Twin Peaks. I mean, like, that's the thing
is that he has such a world that he built
over the course of his career that it feels like
if you're in it, like if you're acting in one
of his movies, you're like part of his club or something.
You're like part of this crew.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
So yeah, I mean He's reason number one why don't
don't meet your heroes as total bullshit. Wow, he's thet
And I was the biggest Lynch fan ever from you know,
watching every episode of Twin Peaks with my mom at
age twelve. And that was how it all happened. Was
you auditioned for the show and it's Joanna Ray deep

(01:10:40):
in the valley and the waiting room looks like a
Lynch waiting room, like what you'd expect, and there's no
sides to prepare, so they just ask you questions and
I'm like, I got to just try to be myself
that this is a total challenge and I don't know
what they'll bring up. So she's like, and that they
start filming you the second you walk in the room
because he really wants to sense to you and he'll

(01:11:01):
write this stuff to the actor that comes in there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
So she went, hello, do you know why you're here
Twin Peaks? And she went, and what do you think
of that? I'm like, just trying to keep a casual
and then I blurted out a giggle and thank god
I did, because you can see him on the DVD
when he decides to hire me he's like going like this,
and he's like, could there be three detectives? And thankfully,

(01:11:25):
immediately Mark Frost and Sabrina Southerle went yes. He's like, okay,
I want to hire that big guy with that laugh
so much kind of like that laugh burrowed in wow,
And that's what he did, and he would direct me
like a musical instrument, like it was beautiful. I say, okay,
can you just kind of do two? And then she
pressed a third. I go, yep, that's it, and then

(01:11:50):
he give me little lines to add. Just on the day,
it was all just a joy. And so one day
he's like, okay, I want you to go up to
your brother and just say, boy, you can't believe he
paid two hundred and sixty eight bucks for that tail light, Like, boy,
that might be a lot. And meanwhile, we're supposed to
be on the case of figuring out Dougie and Agent

(01:12:14):
Cooper and this murder and Don Murray and instead it's
mundane shit. So the first time I did, he's like, no, no, no,
we gotta really feel that tail light buco like you
can't can't believe it. And so then I did again,
and he came in yeah, yeah, Now, mindy, we were
already very quickly supposed to move on to another shot

(01:12:36):
into a wardrobe change, and he's shaking his head and
he's like, yeah, you know what, I think we got
to go see that tail light. So he has added
a shot now, and we walk out to the parking
lot while he's looking at a proper tail light, and meanwhile,
Costumes is a little nervous because they already had a
wardrobe change, now we're adding something else. So we get done.

(01:12:57):
He's like, okay, walk by and just kind of give
a look like, boy, you can't believe that's kind of
a lot for a tail light. So we do it,
and then he has this lineup and Costumes is nervously
there and I'm like, I don't know if he's seen
them or if he's aware of it. And then he goes, okay,
fushcot number one, two and three, take off your ties,
fush go one hand you're tied to the fush go

(01:13:19):
to your right, fush go two, fush go two to three,
Fushco three to fosco one. So we're all carrying each
other's ties and then he just smiles and goes, okay,
Costume change is done. Here we go and like everybody
just starts laughing, and like he had the same crew
that he had for thirty years. Yeah, and also everyone's

(01:13:42):
meditating at once. So it is the happiest, the happiest
darn set in the in the world. And every day
it was like a day at the spa, and like
he was as great as it gets and just the best.
And then we were all like his characters that he
and so sometimes we go to like a TM event

(01:14:02):
and he would just be detective, how's your mother? Like
we're supposed to do a big dinner on Sunday? Would
you believe what happened? Oh, my goodness, what happened? Another murder?
Oh my gosh? Really yeah? No dinner again? Yeah? Yeah,
the absolute greatest there ever was god.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yea special Yeah, Oh thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Oh no, there's so many, but he's the He's Yeah,
I still can't believe. But I still think I'm gonna
I'm gonna wake up and yeah, and it was all
a dream totally.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Oh my god. I have another random question for you.
I love the movie green Room and a spoiler a
little bit for green Room. I mean I think this
is in your Instagram bio you die in movies or
something like that. You're like, I'm dying in movies and
TV shows.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Oh yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Anyways, you don't make it in Green Room either, But
your death in that movie was pretty gnarly.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Oh and I think about that a lot because it's
kind of slow and uh was that? Is it bizarre
for you to watch a movie like that where it's
like a graphic death, where it's like you are watching
yourself die on screen, or even for your family members?
Is there any sort of weird feeling about that at all?

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I think it's mostly weird for my mom, okay, and
for probably my wife of having me watch over and
over again. For me, it's just what I always just say,
no one will be more prepared for the real thing
than me, because I've ever heard a lot and like,
you know, when people come up and they're like, oh,
we're surprised to see you die early? Really, you know,

(01:15:42):
I think I think you know, you can identify me
onto your Yeah, that guy's gonna get eaten by a
dinosaur and quickly. And I think I think with Green Room,
it was just so fun because we're just so elevated
by all those other actors, and I'll tell you what.
Jeremy Sonnier, he's a big old sweetie. I found the
ones that do the darkest stuff are just the sweetest,

(01:16:05):
and so he created this totally fun filled as much
as you could set. But also Green Room is one
of those where I'm full disclosure, I am very squeamish.
I can't do it's super It is brutal, graphic jump scare.
I'm I'm watching Field of Dreams. You know, I'm going

(01:16:27):
to see old hippies live and music. So when I
went to the premiere, I had the most nervous laughter.
I couldn't believe it. And this stuff was and maybe
potentially I didn't read in as much detail after I died,
because what would you really But then the stuff with
the dogs and my wife and I are sitting there

(01:16:47):
covering our faces, and I do this nervous laughter so
much so that Doug Benson tweeted about me. It's like
the I saw this movie green Room. It was great.
Only drawback. The bouncer from the movie was goffawing in
front of me, and I reaped out. I also, I
think in this era and apology goes a long way
or many wrong, and I'm like, I am so sorry.

(01:17:10):
I have a nervous laugh. I do not watch Gore.
Oh my god. So then I went on a show
and I go on all the time. Now we're friends, but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Oh that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Yeah, so that was me. I couldn't even handle my
own death and other stuff. And it's just how quickly
she does it with a box cutter. Yeah, Like you
just see the detachment in her, the way she does it.
It's it's really amazing, Jeremy, just a quick boom.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Yeah, it's really unexpected and horrifying and realistic. The violence
in that movie felt very realistic, and uh, it's fucked up.
It's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Well, is there anything you got coming up soon, Eric
that you want to plug? People can check you out in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Yeah. I will be with friend of the show Josh Fadim.
He and I both showing up in the new Sterlin
har Joe ethan Hawk series The Sensitive Kind, which will
be on FS Sterlin. Har Joe now has the mantle
for the happiest, most joyous set in the world. There's
something real special happening in Tulsa.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
It's the only one I would compare it to is
Lynch in terms of happiness and a crew and everybody
hanging out together, and it's a beautiful thing. So watch that.
And then in uh next year, I'll be in a
new show called The Burrows on Netflix from the great
Jeff Addis and Will Matthews partnering with the Duffer brothers
and it is a whole bunch of fun. I can't

(01:18:35):
wait for people to see it. Amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Oh yeah, well, thank you so much for spending some
time with us today, Eric, We really appreciate it was
so fun talking.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
You're such a joy. You should come back to any time,
any time, please.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
I just want to nerd on talk character actors.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Oh come on, yeah, We'll have to bring you on
again to talk specifically about characters.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, because that's I have nerdy level knowledge.
And then also I'm trying to push Josh Fatum to
watch me TV because I'm like, this is where all
your noir character actors ended up, because that's all those
old detective shows I watched, Mannix, Ironside, Cannon, Hawaii, I Oh,
gun Smoke. Gun Smoke is great for a reason. Friends,

(01:19:18):
But I'm like, Josh, you are made for me TV
because he laughed because I'd be my tolso to him, like,
oh my god, this guy's on MANNIX. He was in
this memir like me TV is where all those character
actors went meant to want to glorious. I don't want
to say out to pasture, but the grass was good
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah, sure, awesome. Well, thank you, Eric, we really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
So fun thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Oh what a wonderful man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
I love him. He's so funny. He does an amazing
impression of David Lynch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Were you shocked by his James Earl Jones impression too?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Everybody? He everybody he did was great.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I'm so impressed by him. And he pops it up
in a lot of stuff. If you look for him
and it's a he's a delight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Ah. He can come back literally at any time. He's
the best.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Love love for him to come back. Well, Milly, let's
move on to our film advice segment. This is where
people write in call in with their asking for our advice,
where film experts we're trying to help people. And yeah,
let me read this email we got if you don't mind, Hey,
Millian Casey, I am loving the pod. I'm emailing specifically

(01:20:45):
after listening to the episode Irish Cinema and the Banchies
of an Asuran. I have broken up with a friend
as an adult in the last few years, going off
of what Casey mentioned, reflecting on the relationship, it caused
me hurt that I do not think my friend was
exactly aware of. Some things escalated in the last year
of the relationship and I was just done. We got
into an argument and I explained some things, but at

(01:21:07):
the end, my last text to her simply said, I
don't really have anything else to say about it, and
that was the end emailing about it. Now, I think
she was probably extremely shocked and confused, but if she
reflected on herself, she would be mature enough to realize
the things she did were hurtful. I actually do not
miss this relationship at all. I've never heard of this movie,
and now it's on my watch list. What other movies

(01:21:29):
can you suggest that explore the end of friendships or
even unique takes on relationships in general, like the theme
of this movie. Can't wait to keep listening with all
the love, Kaylee from Indiana, Thank you, Kaylee.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Kayley Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
First of all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
We actually got a lot of feedback about that Banshee's
of an Assured episode and like we actually got an
email from somebody that was talking about how the movie
was actually about the Irish Civil War, which obviously yes,
and that it you know, obviously there's more political messaging
happening than this the sheer end of a friendship. I

(01:22:08):
just wanted to say that, but I think that for
you and I's purposes, Like when we talked about it
in that episode, we were talking about the friendship ending
and how upsetting it is for both people involved, and
I even started thinking about it after we recorded it,

(01:22:28):
and I was like, you know, what's even more painful
than a friendship ending is when you ended as an adult,
and I mean you when you end a friendship in
your teens and twenties, right, there's usually, I mean a
lot of times there is drama behind it, like it
could be like you slept with my boyfriend, or you
ripped me off, or you did something like there's some
kind of event or something that. But when you're as

(01:22:51):
an adult and you've been friends with somebody for so
long and like so many things have happened and then
you break it up, you're like, damn, that's a that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Hard hurt, you know, yeah, because it is sort of
an analysis of like there's probably not a super instigating event,
but one of you just gets to a point where
you're like I don't like you as a person, or
there's something about you as a person that is I
don't want you a part of my life. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah. To answer Kayley's question a bit, So this was
a topic that I was obsessed with when we did
I saw what you did, And we used to have
this recurring theme called changing female friendships, right, And these
were movies about women's friendships and how they change over
the years and sort of like you know again, maybe

(01:23:45):
like what we've just talked about, like what are the
conditions that create like, you know, strife between women, especially
as they get older. Because I feel like there's a
lot of there's a lot of movies about women's friendships obviously,
and I think people are also fascinated by it in

(01:24:05):
that way where it's like they feel like female friendships
are like it's kind of goes back to the like
parenting maternal model of like women's friendships are so enriching
and deep and they don't end and they take care
of each other and this and that, like no, sometimes
they end and sometimes it's like not good. And so
I was just obsessed with that topic and Danielle was too.

(01:24:27):
We did it many times. But there was a movie
that I talked about on one of those episodes. It
was very very early on. It's this movie from two
thousand and one. It's called Me Without You and it
stars Michelle Williams at Annafriil, and it takes place in

(01:24:47):
the UK between these two girls who are neighbors. Obviously,
Michelle Williams and Annafreil are neighbors, and they're completely different.
Like Anafriil is this beautiful, vivacious, like stylish, kind of
up for anything girl, and the Michelle Williams character is
the more kind of sensitive, thoughtful, like you know, I

(01:25:09):
would say, like a introverted type, right, And so much
of their friendship, I mean, and this movie really spans
the course of their entire lives. It starts when they
were like young girls, and it kind of moves through
adulthood and there and you start to kind of understand
the relationship between the two of them. The dynamic is
that basically the Anafreal character runs the whole apparatus like

(01:25:34):
she is. Basically like she makes the Michelle Williams character
feel guilty for being boring quote unquote mousey, introverted, Like
she's just constantly trying to get her to like open
up more, and it's really because she wants that partner
in crime. But she's also very jealous of her so

(01:25:56):
and like and again, the Michelle Williams character, being the
kind of more the one with more depth, has a
jealousy in her friend too and wishes that she could
be more dynamic and outgoing. So it's kind of this
like weird like thing where they're both kind of jealous
about each other. But then it becomes apparent. I think
for Michelle Williams's character that she's got to end it

(01:26:16):
because it's not serving her. She feels like shit every
time she's around her friend, and it's just like this
feeling of like it's so heartbreaking because you're like, you
know it as a viewer, you're like, oh, this can't
last the way it is, like there's just no way
because one person is getting nothing and the other person
is getting everything, and there's a lot of guilt involved

(01:26:39):
in their friendship, and a lot of like you know,
sort of like codependency. And to me, it's one of
the best movies that I've seen that touches upon the
complexity of all of that, just the emotional component of
like friendship, ending friendships, knowing when you should end it,
knowing when it's time, trying to end it and maybe

(01:27:00):
not being able to that's another component to it too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
So that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
My recommendation to you, Kelly, is that movie Me Without
You two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
That's great, great answer, Millie. I think I'm going to
take the more like unique takes on relationships aspect of
that question. You know, I think movies about male friendship
are an interesting topic. There are It's hard for me
to think of even that many movies about male friendship.

(01:27:32):
And I think male friendship is sort of a difficult
thing in real life too, Like men don't want to
get too close to each other, and there's sort of
a lack of gentleness and sensitivity a lot of times
with like male friendships. And there's a movie from the
year twenty nineteen by Kelly Reikert called First Cow, which

(01:27:55):
is a very gentle male Friendship takes place in the
Pacific Northwest in the eighteen twenties, and it's about these
two guys kind of trying to make it in this
the frontier land of Oregon, I think, and they sort
of start a little business together making little cakes, but

(01:28:16):
they rely on each other in a very beautiful way.
And I'd never seen like a movie kind of showing
sensitive male friendship in that way. And that's just a
really beautiful movie that I love and is great, and yeah,
you should definitely check out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
I was gonna say, like, I I feel like it's
gotten better, like because honestly, like there's been so many
movies about male bonding, like just like men being around
each other. I mean, there's so many movies about that,
But is there a movie that really gets into the
weeds about being friends with god like guys being friends

(01:28:58):
with guys. I mean, honestly, I think Banches to Share
It is a great take on it, because it really
is the like it didn't feel like it was like, oh, here,
here's a movie about two men who are in a friendship. Theoretically,
I mean, we don't know how deep it was beyond
going to the pub and that kind of thing, but
then the ending of it is so painful and you're

(01:29:20):
kind of like, wow, it must have been really affecting,
Like their friendship must have been really affecting to have
this much pain happen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Yeah, but totally.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I love Kelly roy Kirk. She's like one of my
favorite directors. I saw a First Cat when it came out,
and I want to watch it again, So thank you
for reminding me of that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yes, absolutely, but yeah, great question. If you want to
write in and ask for our advice on things, please
do so at dear Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com,
or you can leave us a voicemail and just email
it to dear Movies at exactly right media dot com.

(01:29:58):
Please leave make your voice mail under sixty seconds and
please record it in a quiet place. And yeah, we'd
love more questions. We're getting so many great ones, but
keep them coming. Now it is time for employee picks. Millie,
do you have an employee pick a recommendation for the

(01:30:20):
people out there?

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yeah, I was thinking about this because if we're going
to just be able to if we can make a
recommendation that involves any member of the Koppola family, including
the actors, not just the directors. I would like to
recommend a movie from nineteen seventy nine, and it was
a movie called Old Boyfriends. It was directed by Joan Tewksbury.

(01:30:44):
To direct the she wrote the screenplays for Nashville and
Thieves Like Us and she was very uh worked a
lot with Robert Altman, obviously, But it stars Talia Shier, who,
as you know, is the sister of Francis for Coppola
and is the mother of Jason and Robert Schwortzman. And

(01:31:05):
of course you know probably know her as Adrian from
the Rocky movies. But she made this little movie called
Old Boyfriends in the late seventies. But it's this like
little movie about a woman who basically goes back and
like visits her old boyfriends. It's kind of like a
female version of high fidelity the Cusack movie. And it's

(01:31:27):
really interesting because she's basically just like going back and
visiting all these guys she dated. And I feel like
there's a scene that happens in Minneapolis by the way,
ooh yeah, I feel like it features John Belushi And
there is a moment of the movie which we talked
about this movie and I saw what you did fair

(01:31:48):
warning where I believe you see John Belushi's dick.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Wow, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Yeah, I think it's like a two second moment, And
honestly it's probably because of like digital restoration in four
K where you're like, I think we just saw a
pop out of John. It's insane. Like when I first
like noticed it, I was like, holy fucking shit, did

(01:32:19):
I just see what I thought I saw? But anyway,
my god, that's just a little notable moment of that movie.
But otherwise it's a it's a really interesting film and
I think Talia Shire is really great at it, And
so that would be my employee pick for this week.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Wow, fabulous, I have not seen that. I need to
check that out. Sounds great, sounds right at my alley. Yes,
I love John Belushi. I would love to see that.
You want to see his you know what's a little Peter,
Let's keep moving here and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
The movie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
This is maybe not an original recommendation, but it's kind
of a cool one, I think. Sofia Coppola directed a
short film in nineteen ninety eight called Lick the Star,
and it's about a group of girls who like want
to poison boys. Yes, and uh, it is a good

(01:33:19):
indicator of her style. But it's cool to see this
short film and know who she kind of became as
a director and see sort of like where she went.
And it's on YouTube. You can watch it right now,
So Lick Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Says it's also part of the bonus features on that
Criterion version of Virgin Suicides.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Oh is that right? I didn't know that, but yeah,
Licked the Star. I was really kind of captivated by
it when I saw it, And yeah, it's a great
short film and you should check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Do you remember the show that she did with Zoe
Cassii Octane? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
High Octane? Very cool show obsessed. She's so cool. She
really I feel like Sophia coppel like really understood her time. Yeah,
in a way that most people don't. And yeah, I'm
so impressed by her. Did you see the What We

(01:34:12):
Do in the Shadows episode where she and Jim Jarmush
get their heads ripped off?

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
No, Oh my god, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
It's really funny to see Sophia Coppola in a show
like that, like very unexpected.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Listen, I remember watching High Octane. It used to come
on in the middle of the night on one of
Coral on Comedy Central and just seeing Sophia Coppola and
Zoe Cassavetti's bopping around wearing their ex girl clothing. Do
you remember ex girl? Kim Gordon's ex girl, and you know,
just the whole vibe of like their thing, which felt

(01:34:49):
very like again like beastie boys adjacent, very like cool
la people adjacent Kim Gordon like, oh my god, I
was obsessed. Who didn't want to be those girls in
a late nineties So.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
I know, all right, yeah, that's it. Anyways, that's it.
What a show. This is so fun. Thank you Millie
for talking to me about all this great stuff. I
was just so captivated watching Virgin Suicides again and kind
of entering this world was really enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yeah, thank you for talking to me about it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
It's interesting to be able to go back to something
that was twenty five years old and rewatch it with
virgin eyes almost wow.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Oh it's so much more to say, but we'll have
to keep it. I'll have to shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I know, I know. I felt like we could have
gone so long on the rest of the family. We
didn't apologize, but to write to us if you want
to get some film advice for the end of our show.
If you just want a recommendation, if you want a
film gripe resolved. We haven't gotten a film grape in
a while. You should.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah, send some film grapes. Yeah, yeah, I let me.
I need ponder because I have so many film gripes
that I just need to synthesize them into something I
can say in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
I feel like I've done the last couple of gripes,
so I need to I need to take it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I need to Okay, I need to pull my weight.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, let's go. But yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Oofah, I know, and it doesn't mean I didn't like
April Fools. I just gave it two stars. That's just
the rating.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Listen, if if they had if there was a star
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You're right, you know, be be honest, but also listen
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(01:37:00):
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bast just don't leave it in public. Come on, like yes,
please be nice, five stars, nice review, It would be great.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
If you made it to the end of the episode.
How can you not make it a positive review? That's
my opinion. But anyways, uh, anyways, Millie, Wow, thank you.
What a show.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
So great to see you. And I'm glad you didn't
stay in Japan forever I know, because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Then otherwise we wouldn't have had next week's episode, which
I don't even know what about.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
That's right, we're doing that now. I forgot so next
week's episode. Okay, So here's the thing. We have a
hiatus week next week, so you will not hear us
next week, folks. There will be no episode next week.
But after that we're coming back with style and we're
gonna be talking about mockumentaries. Yes, and a little movie

(01:38:00):
called Waiting for Guffman. Yes, exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
There's an anniversary involved with that maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
No, I don't think so, we just want to talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
That's fine. Yeah, yeah, that'll be a fun episode for sure.
But anyway, thanks everybody for listening. We'll see you in
two weeks and uh yeah, have a good break case.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Yeah you too, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Milli to Chercho and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Our incredible theme music is by the best band in
the entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho.

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