U.C.U (Usher Cinematic Universe) & She's All That (1999)! Plus, Film Critic Katie Walsh

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Millie Milli, it's gonna be okay. I know that you
and the prom King Zach broke up, but you're so popular.
Don't you understand You're so popular you're gonna win prom
Queen at the Exactly Right Podcast prom. You're the most
popular person at Exactly Right high casey. I know.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Okay, here's the thing. I have to win prom Queen
this year. I have everything going for me. I got
a twenty five hundred on my SATs, which I know
what you're thinking, it doesn't even go up that high.
But guess what. They made a special test just for me,
and I got every question right. And it doesn't matter

(00:44):
if we broke up. It doesn't matter if I went
and chased down Hunter Biden and tried to date him,
ed got dumped, and now I'm coming back to Zach.
It's going to happen. I'm going to win the most friends.
I'm the prettiest, I'm the smartest. We all agree, so

(01:06):
what other choice is there. I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, it's amazing that we're talking about, you know, because
the Exactly Right Podcast prom is impending, and it's just
it's really synergested, you know, there's a lot of synergy
here because we're talking about a movie that kind of
deals with some actually some similar themes to what we
were just talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh, interesting, what's that movie?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
That movie is She's All That from nineteen ninety nine,
and we're talking about that today because we're exploring I
don't know if it's the most popular cinematic universe out there,
but it is one that's important, and it is the
Usher cinematic universe because obviously Usher is a part of

(01:52):
this film. And yeah, so I'm excited to kind of
explore that with you. And I think you know, you
were saying, like there's a lot of personal things going
on in your life right now that kind of touch
upon the themes of this movie.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's right. I will say that Usher has been in
more movies than I actually thought he was.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, I think when we pitched this original idea, we
were like, oh, he's only been in two movies, but
he's been in more. But we're kind of we're.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Kind of honing in on one maybe his most his
one of his most iconic, if not his most iconic role,
which is that he kind of plays if She's all
that were the movie Cabaret, he would be like the
Emcy of the KitKat Club, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah? I would say that he's kind.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Of a whimsical narrator that pops through and kind of
sets up tense moments for the characters by explaining exactly
what's going on to the rest of the students of
the high school, which I think is wild and we'll
probably talk about that a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah. Well, I mean he's kind of like the radio
woman in The Warriors or like any other movie where
there's like kind of like a radio voice sort of
narrating what's going on. He does that.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
In this film, we also have a great little my
area of expertise with my friend Katie Walsh film critic
Katie Walsh, where we're talking about rich people on vacation.
So that'll be a fun combo. We had a great
time talking to Katie about that. So that's coming up
as well.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh, really, your friend Ham our friend?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now? She is your friend? Oh cool, she's our friend now.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I mean, of course she'd be my friend. I'm the
most popular girl at exactly right high.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, we're intimidated and frightened of you, but we are
your friends.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You're waiting for my downfall as basically what you're what
you're doing. Well, okay, on that note, you are listening
to Dear Movies, I Love You, Dear, and I've got
to love me.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Check the books.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Hey, everybody, this is the podcast Dear Movies, I Love You.
It is for those who are in a relationship with movies,
and we're talking about the ones where you know somebody
maybe tries to involve you in some kind of crazy bit,
but that they actually do care about you and fall
in love with you and want to be your boyfriend.

(04:36):
My name is Millie de Cherco.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
My name is Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And this episode is going to be kind of fun
I have It's so funny. When I was thinking about
this episode, I was like, Oh, I'm going to go
and rewatch She's all that because I haven't seen it
since it came out obviously, Oh really okay, And then
while I was watching it, I was like, have I

(05:02):
actually seen this movie or have I just watched the
trailer one hundred thousand times? I can't. I could remember
a lot really, but then I remembered a lot of it, so.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't know. Okay, it feels like one that was
on TV, like it was on the USA network or something,
so you might have just by osmosis sort of absorbed
it over time. I mainly I just really hope that
you didn't start hosting this podcast with me on a
bet that you could turn even the most untalented dipshit

(05:33):
into a you know, podcast king, and so I just
really hoped that that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Leading up to this, it feels more like Britney Murphy
and clueless, to be honest, because.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm like a reclamation project. Yeah, but there's hope there.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, Yeah, I've given you a makeover and now you
are just as popular, if not more popular than me.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
So okay, very good? More popular? Yeah sure, yes, sure,
yeah you're the most popular girl. Yeah right, we've established that, Milli.
We start every episode very similarly, I would say, and
this one is no different. We're going to open up
the film diary, the ancient text.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
The scrolls.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Ooh ooh, Millie, what have you watched? How has this
week been for you? Movie wise? I don't really want
to get into, like emotionally how it's been for you,
but movie wise, how has it been.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh surprising that you're a man you don't want to
talk about emotions. It's actually was pretty short. I gotta
say me too, I am short. That's a cool stature.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And in my movie list watching.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, but I actually have to say I was pretty
surprised by at least one of these movies. I really
really enjoyed. Actually I really enjoyed both. So first up
in my film diary, as I was, I was at
my friend's house. We had some friends in town and
we decided to have a movie night and one of
my friends, Janine, suggested we watch this movie from twenty
twenty four. It's called pony Boy.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Pony Boy bo I. I have not heard of this movie.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was directed by Esteban Orango. It is a it's
really good. It's basically a movie about an intersex sex
worker from New Jersey that gets involved with this. Basically,
they're pimp uh who is played by Chuck Yes, Dilan'

(07:40):
how do you know are you related to him?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm not related to you. Is that one of your brothers?
He's maybe a distant cousin. Wow, you spell it the
same way. So yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So River Gallo plays pony Boy and uh, it's just
like it's kind of a tense. It's like a thriller
but also kind of a love story.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
There's it.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Kind of the mood of it is very kind. It
kind of reminds me a little of like a David
Lynch meets Nicholas Winding Refin kind of feel. There's a
lot of neon, a lot of like sixty songs dream
sequences type thing. But it is really good. I had
never heard of it and went in totally blind and

(08:32):
really enjoyed it. And to the point of this maybe
distant relative of yours, Dylan O'Brien plays Vinny, who's kind
of the like bad guy pimp slash drug dealer of
the film. He's amazing, by the way, Like, he was
really good in it, and I was like, I have
never even heard of him. So I was surprised on

(08:52):
all friends by this movie.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's great, that's great to hear. It looks really good.
I want to check this out.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
And then I watched So I don't know if you've
done this or do this, but have you ever watched
the live stream on the Criterion channel before?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, I've been always interested in it. There's like a
twenty four to seven live stream, just like it's kind
of like a TV channel playing on the Criterion channel.
I'm not like, you know, I don't do things for
fun randomly. Ever, I'm not a very like what's the
word for that. I'm not a very spontaneous person. So

(09:37):
I don't know, you're not very joyful or full there. Yeah,
there's no curiosity. I just sort of sit in this
little box and talk to Millie sometimes.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Wow, dude, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Just not a spontan My movie viewing is very non spontaneous,
so it would be hard for me to be let
me throw this on. So I'm but I'm I'm jealous
of people who have that sort of joy in their hearts.
So continue and teach me.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, you have a child, which prevents you from doing
many spontaneous things.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Okay, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I that's that's not a knock. I mean, at the
end of the day, it's true, I know, But like
at the at the end of the day, you parents
who have no choices also have families and beautiful home
lives that we don't have. The childless do not have.
While we could watch Criterion twenty four to seven, you

(10:32):
will have somebody to take care of you when you're old.
I suppose that's the trade off God. Anyway, to that point,
I started watching it because honestly, I just kind of
like having it on. Yeah, and it's there. I don't
know what the programming rhyme and reason is. It just
seems random all the time, and there's really there's actually

(10:54):
no it's just really movies on movies, And in order
to even find out what you're watching have to go
to like a separate website which tells you, like what's
on the air right now, Like, for example, if I
were to put in I think it's what's on now
dot Criterion channel dot com. It is The Double Life
of Verronique.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Ooh, that's one of my favorite movies. I know.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I was gonna say, by maybe we.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Maybe we should stop recording. I can put that on
right now.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Krist Off Kislavsky, I know, he uh, we should stop
actually and watch this, but it's I don't know, it's
kind of cool. And so because of that, I was
just sitting in front of it, and I watched a
movie that I'd actually never seen before, and it's this
like late Robert Bresson movie called The Devil probably.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I believe I've seen this movie. Oh you have? Okay.
I went through a Robert Breson period when I was
like twenty three, and I like watched all of his movies,
and then I think the Arrow in Santa Monica had
lay screened all of his movies. Yeah, I've The Devil probably.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I have not obviously, And I was like, oh,
this feels like I mean, we kind of talked about
this in the Cronenberg episode. It feels like it's this
like late period meditation on something right, on life, on

(12:24):
something heavy. Not to say that Robert person movies aren't heavy,
but do you know what I'm saying. It's like he's
kind of like it's like, take the most like austere
director and then put him in a like a period
of life where he's like questioning maybe you know, after
life or current life or family or you know something

(12:46):
career or whatever. Put him in front of a big
life quandary, and then have him make a movie and
see what it's like.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
It was kind of fascinating.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, it it's an interesting one for those who don't
know who Robert Brosson is. He was a director a
French director from like the nineteen fifties and sixties predominantly,
but he worked until the seventies, which I think The
Devil probably came out in the seventies. And he's kind
of famous for his actors. Like the way he directed

(13:19):
his actors. He basically didn't want them to act. They're
like lifeless and like monotone and they're emoting very little.
And his movies are really interesting. He usually deals with
like religious themes. But he's an incredible filmmaker. I know
that wasn't like a good sell of Robert Broisson, but

(13:41):
like really interesting stuff and he's hugely influential.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
This movie is about basically just like a really disaffected
young man who wants to unlive himself. So it's like,
you know, okay, that's seems to be like a pretty
hardcore film. So yeah, The Devil probably great title. Also
a comma in there by the way, I don't I

(14:05):
would be REMISSI fight and say that it is the
Devil Commama.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Probably probably Probably that's kind of funny. It's sort of
a funny title. I like it. We should do a
game on every episode where we turn on that. Criterion
twenty four to seven stream and then we have to
guess what the movie is playing. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun,
that'd be kind of cool, right, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
A lot of obscure shit on that channel.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, and whoever gets it right gets a little treat,
like a little chocolate or something.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh, a little little chokl a little biscuit.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, okay, Millie. I have a bit of a short
list as well, and that list is one movie. So
there is a movie theater in Minneapolis that specializes in
art house movies. It's kind of similar to Sine Family
in Los Angeles, which no longer exists, but it is
a art house cinema that doesn't really play new movies.

(15:11):
I mean, Cina Family did play some new movies, but
like it specializes in like repertory screenings of like intensely
obscure art house movies. And that theater in Minneapolis is
called the Trylon and it's really close to my house
and it's amazing. And brett Berg knows the people who

(15:31):
our former guest. Rtt Berg shouts people who run that place,
and he's actually done his like fond footage shows there. AnyWho,
there is a night each month run by these two
cinephiles and it is called tape Freaks, And basically they
choose a movie and you don't know what it is

(15:53):
until you they You don't know what is until the
title of the movie comes up, so like you just
are kind of trusting to pick like an interesting movie,
and they're usually genre films. So I went in blindfolded.
I had no idea what I was seeing this week,
and I watched a movie. I wonder if you've heard
of this movie. It's called I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, never heard of it at all.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's from nineteen ninety and it's great. It's British and
it is very heavily influenced by Evil Dead. It is
like a big time horror comedy. But I was like
legitimately laughing. There was no one really of note in it.
But I thought it was like really well done and
silly and it is really creative, and I was lowlin

(16:44):
It reminded me of like Sean of the Dead. It
reminded me of Evil Dead. It's kind of like fast
and funny and there's a lot of goofy visuals and yeah,
I bought a Vampire Motorcycle. Check it out.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
All right, So you just mentioned about how you don't
do whimsical things. I would say walking in blind into
a movie theater and have somebody play something for you
is pretty whimsical.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well, yes, I would say so, but it's not spontaneous
because I like IM like, all right, at this time,
I'm scheduling spontaneity or like someone to pick something for me.
You know, it's kind of scheduled, so I don't really
count that.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Okay, tomato tomato is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I just feel like you're walking into life just doing
what you please. I need to have like a schedule.
I need things planned out. I just I my heart
is not free, it is in a cage. And I
just feel like you live life in a very fun
way and I'm jealous of you.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Well it's a lonely life. But also you're a Capricorn.
Do we have to like continue to underline this fact
in this sharpie marker? Like you are design the heavens
and the stars. You are by design a planner and
a meticulous list maker, and you know, like to keep

(18:09):
it a tight clock. So I'm on aries. I'm all
fire and pure energy and adrenaline. I have no thoughts
behind anything I do. I just fucking go for it
and worry about it later.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
So I mean, it's just I wish I could. I
wish I could live that way.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, I wish I could live your way. How about that?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Seems like we should have a freaky Friday situation.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Maybe maybe?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
All right, well, yeah, that's about it. I bought a
vampire motorcycle. I thought, if you're looking for like a Halloween,
if you're around Halloween, you're like, I want to watch
something that's like horror but is like not scary and
is silly. Check it out and British, very British.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
That sounds amazing. I'm putting it on my letter box list.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, and like no one has seen it, and it
was like no one saw when it came out either.
So uh yeah, that's about it. AnyWho should we move on?
We close the diary up.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Close close thing. Jeez?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right, we are here at the main discussion of
our episode, and we are talking about a movie called
Cheese all that, but we're also talking about a man
and his name is Usher. Usher. Usher.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Usher?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Now is Usher from Atlanta?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yes, dude, Usher, We see a.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Hero, a hometown hero.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
If you want to know a couple of quick demo
facts on Usher. Okay, he was born on Octo over fourteenth,
nineteen seventy in Dallas, Texas. Okay. He spent the majority
of his young life in Chattanooga, Tennessee, but then eventually
they moved the family moved to Atlanta, Georgia, because he

(20:15):
was starting to do the old song and dance stuff
as a kid.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I remember he was a young guy when he broke
onto the scene.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, and he I mean, basically, he moved to Atlanta
before high school and went to North Springs High School.
For anybody that I know, actually I do know people
went to North Springs, but so effectively, he's been in
Atlanta for his the majority of his life and he
I think he's more associated with Atlanta than any other

(20:45):
place hostally. But yeah, I you know, I think you
and I share a love for Usher.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Love Usher.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I loved discovering that by the way that.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I love Usher. Yeah, I mean, I know, I don't
even know if I own any of his albums, but
I just like there was a time where I just
feel like he had a hit on the radio and
I was delighted every time, Like there was always an
Usher song out for like a long period of time,
and I was delighted by everything he put out.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I have loved him for a very long time as well.
So yeah, I first got into Usher. Well, I had,
you know, heard him on the radio on like R
and B radio before My Way, but like My Way
felt like the the like album that I I mean,

(21:36):
I remember buying that on CD. Yeah, and my sister
and I used to listen to it in her car.
That's the one that had like nice and slow and
You Make Me Wanna, which was like my favorite to
this day. I fucking love You Make Me Wanna. Every
time it comes on, I go crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
The first time I ever was introduced to him was
the song My Way. Specifically, the music video takes place
in some kind of like almost like clockwork orange esque
yes future, Yes. Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Underneath a bridge or something like that or something.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
There's like he's like an industrial kind of areas and like, uh,
he's on some like compacted cars and stuff and I don't.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Know, but yeah, so I basically like loved My Way.
Then of course I rocked eighty seven oh one like
crazy because it was just like all the songs that
were on the radio you got it bad, you don't
have to call, which I love that video too. And then.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And then I feel like he got into more like
with like he had almost like had a reinvention with
like yeah yes, and Confessions like that felt like a
later Area era Usher, which I also loved.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Listen Confessions. It's a legendary album because it was basically
his confessions to his be throttled, who was of course,
as you know Chile from TLC, basically being like I
did something bad and now you're gonna leave me. Yeah,

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but I'm man enough to tell you this.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
That song is so funny when he's like things were
going great until my sideshit got pregnant, Like that's really
where things went wrong. It wasn't him cheating, like I
don't know. It's just very funny that it's like I
never thought this was gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Listen Confessions Part one and part two is fucking amazing,
Like they should have made a movie about that, showhow
absolutely were he. The Confession's part one was the one
where he talks about how he was like holding hands
in the Beverly Center not giving a damn who sees
him yeah, okay. And then Confessions Part two is where
he's basically like the Saint about my career, the Saint

(23:58):
about my life. It's like, tell you that I'm having
a baby.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Apparently, just when I thought I could say all that,
I could say, my chick on the side says she's
got one on the way.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, that ship to me is epic, and I
feel like it's just so dramatic.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So dramatic. Oh, I love burn too. That burns so good.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
He's like, you gonna learn, gotta let it burn. I
love it. But I think the thing about Usher that
I've always loved is that he like besides the fact
that he's definitely like an Atlanta guy. Uh, And I've
always I mean, I stand very hard for Atlanta, as
everybody knows, even though I did go to exactly right

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high school, I stand Atlanta for a forever. I love
Ato okay, But he also was like, I don't know,
He's like one of those like guys who was like
famous at a young age. He knew how to dance,
he knew how to saying like are you kidding? The
video for No Limit, which is if no one has
seen that video for No Limit it's incredible. You have

(25:13):
to watch it. It's really fun. It's like him and then
you know Young Thugs on it. This is like pre
Rico case. Young Thug was also from Atlanta and I
stand as well. But I I don't know. I've always
felt like he was kind of like a contemper because
he's not. I think we're like almost the same age.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
He might be like a face forty six. Yeah, yeah,
we're the same age, which is like crazy because it
feels like he's been around for eternity. Yes, and he's
only forty six years old.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, and that's I think the like he's because he
was so famous so young that it feels like, yeah,
he has been around. He's probably like, you know, he's
ancient in terms of, you know, the music industry, I suppose.
But it's like the funny thing about Usher is that
he wasn't movies too, which is always that thing of like, Okay,
of course, like famous musicians want to also act. A

(26:05):
lot of them do act. A lot of them are
actually kind of good.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Oh yeah, I actually feel like the batting average for
act or musician turned actor is pretty high.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, and this era of the she's all that era,
like the ninety nine ish, the ninety nine, two thousands.
I mean, Usher was at his absolute peak. So it's
so funny to be like put him in a movie
where he's like barely in it, and then he plays
this like whimsical pied piper DJ character that like kind

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of comes in. It seems like he was filmed completely
separately from like the entire the rest of the school.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like it's merely I was gonna ask, do you think
they shot all of his stuff in one day? And
like even for like the DJ when he's like DJing
the prom, I'm like, you could have just shot him
up against a wall and then like edited those like
close ups into the rest of the prom sequence.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, in my She's all that research, which I did,
I actually did a lot of She's all that research.
Someone had to They made him come back to film
the prom sequence because we'll talk about this in a
little bit, because there is a very famous dance sequence

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at the prom and She's all that that feels untethered
from the rest of the film, perhaps, but that it
was so untethered that they were like, we have to
bring Usher back to give it some context, and so
they reshot with him so he could do his little.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Arm wait to get into that. I mean, She's All
That sort of I don't know if it started this,
but it sort of kicked off a run of these
teen movies in the late nineties early aughts that you
don't see anymore. And this is so this is an

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important film in film history.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I believe, how old were you in ninety nine?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
You were? I was eleven years old. Woof?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Was it a kind of thing? Where would you watch
a movie like She's All That and be like, I
cannot wait to go to high school. It's going to
be so fun.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Absolutely, because like when you're eleven, you're like, well, a
junior in high school is essentially like an adult, Like
they seem so old. Yeah, And when this came out,
I don't even remember the first time I watched it,
but you know, I was such an avid viewer, even
at eleven years old, of MTV, MTV Spring Break, the

(28:37):
Real World, So, I mean I was totally entranced by
She's All That. I remember a kid in my class
asked a girl out and he asked her to go
see this movie. And in the note asking her out,
he said, do you want to go see she's all that,
because I think you're all that.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh my god, I'd marry who is he?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I don't know if she said yes.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I can't remember much, but that would have worked on me.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Also, And it was a big deal. Rachel Lee Cook
Minneapolis girl, I was gonna swamp too.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, So any stories of her in your hood from
back of the day.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Well, she went to South High School, which my daughter
could go to South High School. We're pretty close to there,
so that's kind of cool. And she and Josh Hartnett
were kind of coming up the ranks at the same time.
They went to the same high school and so they
were both kind of like blowing up at the same time.
So I kind of associate those two together. And but no,

(29:39):
I don't have anything else. Besides, it's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
We both have hometown ties. I know she's all that.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I have more to say about rachel Lee Cook and
her career. Sure, maybe I should do. Should I do
a synopsis for this? I was going to say a
good time.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You better? You better?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
This one is I found easier to do a synopsis
of than David cronenberus. Oh so you don't say, all right,
this movie is about Zach Seiler played by Freddy Prince Junior.
He's the most athletic, most popular, best looking, smartest, and
most dire to stay popular. He's the most popular person

(30:15):
in the school. Okay, he's class president. Also he's like
perfect Okay. After he returns home from spring break, his
girlfriend took a separate spring break to Mexico. I believe,
he finds out that his girlfriend, Taylor played by Jodie
Lynn O'Keeffe, kind of fell in with the MTV spring
Break crew and is now dating a former member of

(30:37):
the Real World played by Matthew Lillard. I think he
was supposed to be kind of like the Puck Carrock
you know, yes, analog for this. So you know, Zach's
down a little bit, but he needs to pump himself up,
so he starts walking around the school and talking shit
and he makes up bet with his pal Dean played
by Paul Walker Rip's. He makes a bet with him

(31:01):
that he's like, I'm so popular that I could take
any girl in this high school and make her prom queen.
And so Dean's like, is that a bet? I get
to pick the girl that you are going to turn
into a prom queen and he picks, Oh, my god,
he picks Laney Bogs played by Rachelie Cook. She's a grouchy, nerdy,

(31:23):
poor art freak and how could she ever become prom queen?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Uh? So Zach sets out to woo Laney, and uh,
she's not too keen on that, and so he's finding
it very challenging. But the thing that's most challenging, he's
developing feelings for Laney and she starts falling for him too.
But what will happen if she finds out out about
this little bet? I don't know that she's all that.

(31:50):
It is kind of Pigmlian slash my fair lady. Yes,
plot it is. That is the synopsis of the movie.
Did anything jump out to you?

Speaker 2 (32:08):
My god?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
What didn't jump out to me?

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Truly?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Like I said at the top, I was I was
convinced I'd seen this movie in full in ninety nine,
in somewhere in the region of ninety nine, maybe like
two thousand. But I was also a total shithead in
ninety nine because I was like twenty years old, So
I was basically watching early Robert Brasson movies and being

(32:39):
like very wax poetic about.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Them, sure, of course.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
But I was also the weirdest part about this too,
like because I actually see this happening. I see this
happening a lot, where when it comes to like teen stuff,
I always feel like college kids have this like weird
space to appreciate like teen.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Culture because they're I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
They're kind of doing it ironically, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, and it's kind of like, oh my god, we're
so much older than that. It's like kind of funny
that we like like this teen stuff even though they're
like essentially children as well.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, oh, I know. Because also in the early two thousands,
late nineties, early two thousands, when I was in college,
I was full fully into like in sync, and it
was weird. It was like I was into like there
was like two things that I was kind of into
when I was in my twenty early very early twenties
in college. I was sort of into like heavy metal

(33:38):
from the late eighties, so like that was stuff that
I remember from my early childhood. So and it was
they were having there was like a resurgence of it
kind of happening at the time. I think it was
because there was a lot of suddenly like a lot
of humor around mullets. Do you remember this at all?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, Okay, So mullets were kind of back and like
dirt bag culture, like Joe Dirt type of I say, Joe,
do you know what I mean? It was like kind
of this like weird and I don't know who ushered
it in. Maybe it was Kid Rock. I don't know
who fucking did it.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Unfortunately, I feel like it's still lingering to this day.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yes, So it was like the trucker hats with mullets.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Around Ashton kutcher trucker hat kind of thing, like kind
of costplaying trailer trash.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Trailer trash, like Joe Dirt, a lot of white men's
undershirts that are used to be called something terrible but
are not.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
And unfortunately I still automatically refer to them that way
because that was just what everybody called them.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's exactly what everybody called them. And yeah, I'm with you,
And so I was kind of into that scene. But
then I was also kind of weirdly into the whole
like Jive Records, Britney Spears, we talked about this when
we did talk about Crossroads. I went and saw in
Sync and the No Strings Attached tour. Even though I
was sort of like, oh, like, I'm too based whatever

(35:08):
to like pop music, but I was working in the
music industry. I was around all this music all the time,
and then I just sort of loved the whole like
fucking total Requests Live, MTV World.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Absolutely, Oh my god. I watched TRL every single day
and I would raise home to be like, Who's number one?
Who's the number one music video?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I have been to t L twice? Did I tell
you this? Who?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I was actually on an episode of Tarrell.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I got shut the fuck up? Did you touch Carson Daly?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Did I touch him? Yeah? I'm sure, I'm sure. I
was like he was holding my hand being like, what's
the number one video of the week? Millie to cherycho
from Atlanta, Georgia. Sure, but I did get to announce
the number one video of the week. And Nelly, I
can't believe.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
You've never told me this. I'm furious and I feel
lied to.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I know, this is amazing, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Is there video of this? Do you have it on
a VHS tape somewhere? See.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
The funny thing is is that somebody that we were
in the show with who I later ended up working
at TCM with. This is the craziest story we met
what I was with my friend April Richardson when we
were in line to get into TRL. We started talking
to this like brother and sister who were also from Atlanta,
and we were like, that's how fucking weird is that

(36:24):
you guys are from Atlanta. Anyway, it ended up being
this girl but I worked with at TCM many years
after the fact, which is so crazy. She apparently has
a copy of it on VHS.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Because my head is spinning. I don't need to get
that team.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I know. I got to ask her for the too.
I forgot to ask her for it for a long time,
even though that's kind of the weirdest way of knowing somebody.
But anyway, so there is video evidence of it. But
it was basically like I got to announce the number one.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Video for the week and it was wait, wait, can
you do you remember the date you were there?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I mean, I definitely know this song. I definitely know.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Well, yeah, I just wanted to kind of guess if
I like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
There was a band that I had I've just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Oh, so it was in sync? Yes, and what year
was this?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was two thousand two zero zero zero.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
That was so that that feels like I think that
was the no strings attached era.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It totally was.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
So I'm just trying to think of the title of
the song, It's got a It's gonna be Me, It's
gonna be me? Yeah, Yes, was that was that?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It? That was it?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Wa What a time to be there?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I know, it's it's pretty cool. It's a little a
little feather in my shitty little cap.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
But isn't it funny though? That it was like the
main bands that were like number one or were on
TRL were like the pop bands like backto Boys in Sync,
Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and then also new metal music
Limp Biscuit and Corn. It's so weird that those those

(38:01):
two like regimes are like fighting for the number one
spot on TRL. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And that's the thing is that That's why I always
say that this era was a low point for feminism
just generally because you had this kind of like aggressive
male contingent mixed.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
With you could almost put in there and kid rock
to rock, those horse girls.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Gone wild, like the sort of waiting days of the
like celebrity porns that were coming out, you know that
kind of thing. You got this kind of like aggress
a male aggression contingent mix with this teenage girl or
teeny bopper continent. It was so fucking fucked up. And
I've lived the tale, and I'm like, I'm telling you

(38:46):
it was terrible. And yeah, I mean I was in college.
I was a shithead. Everything I did was you know,
edge lordie, and you know, everything was done ironically for
a joke. So it was not a great time, but
it was also a fun time in terms of, yeah,
just the ridiculousness of everything. And so the thing about

(39:09):
watching She's All That is that that definitely felt like
it was part and part of this whole era this
movie is anyway. But then it was also like this,
this trailer played so much that it's almost like you've
probably not even seen the entire film, but you feel

(39:30):
like you've seen the entire movie because the trailer was
so out there, like I mean, I can't even tell
you except she didn't say the cuss word, But I
remember when the trailer played in it was like, am
I a bet? Am I a stupid?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Bet?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeh will play stupid? With cuss word.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
But it's like that thing of and we don't swear
on this podcast. Omeily would never say it, oh never.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
This is a very catholic, pure catholic. But I that's
the thing is that even though I hadn't seen it
and felt like I was like, oh you had, I
know all these beats of the film, which is to say,
maybe it isn't an amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Film, not a perfect film.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
It's that perfect. Actually, I think there's a lot the
pacing of it is interesting. It feels at times so
phoned in, but then there are these moments where it
feels kind of authentically sensitive.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I don't know if you fellow yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Well I wrote down I'm just looking over our kind
of joint notes here. Well, number one, there's this what
I wrote an interminable pube pizza scene. I was like,
this scene felt like it was twenty five minutes long.
I was like, it felt like a like the movie
had slowed to a crawl, and I was like, what

(40:49):
are we doing here? And so that felt very and
very you know that's the scene where yeah, explain Junior.
So you know, it's funny. Karen Culkins in this movie,
and he plays rachel Le Cook's little brother, and Freddy
Prince Junior is kind of looking out for him from bullies.
And these two bullies start like like showing him a

(41:13):
porno magazine. And then one of them, who is the
guy who played the Sherminator in American Pie Yes, reaches
into his pants, pulls out some pubes and puts it
on his pizza. And then Freddy Prince Junior sees all
this and he makes the two guys eat the pizza.
But the pacing of that scene is so slow. It's like, hey,

(41:35):
you you eat that pizza. No, I don't want to
eat it. He eats it. The other guy's like, oh
that sucks. He's like, okay, now your turn. You're gonna
eat the pizza. Oh I don't want to You're gonna
eat it. I'm like, this is so insane. This could
have been cut down. I don't know. It just felt
like so the pacing was weird there, and but then,

(41:56):
like you said, there were some like really emotional scenes.
I'm in the scene where rachel Lee Cook says like,
am I a fucking bet? I was like I was,
I was like taken aback. I was touched and I
was feeling things, you know, so well, it is a
bizarre movie and to that point, like.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I was reading in my research, my she's all that
search is in that scene in particular, apparently Freddie Prince
Junior was really emotional, like as an actor, he was
really in his feelings during that part, and how basically
everybody on set was like, holy shit, like he's amazing,

(42:36):
Like wow, they were like really blown away by I
guess his sensitivity in that moment, and then when you
watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, he's like really upset
by this, and it just really I think that was
the thing, is that it was like there'd be these
like tiny moments I think between him and Rachel Lee

(42:59):
Cook specifically, and I would say also Kevin Pollack, which
is this whole the story. Kevin Pollack plays her father.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
They were actually well acted and very I don't know,
very kind of tender and sensitive. It kind of reminded
me more of like an indie movie in some of
these performances. But for the most the rest of it though,
was so like hey, to say it a little phoned
in team comedy, you know, watching.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
This, I was like I feel like both Freddie Prince Junior.
I was impressed by him and Rachel Lee Cook. I
thought they were both really good leads of this movie,
and I kind of was like, why didn't they have
bigger careers? I don't know, are like more evolved careers.

(43:45):
I guess, like I just feel like Rachel Lee Cook,
we didn't see her in that much after Josie and
the Pussycats.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, maybe because they're too cool.
It's like sometimes I'm like, I don't know, maybe some
actors are just you know, like I know, I'm like
a fairly decent, down to earth person and I don't
need to be in a shit ton of movies and
I just kind of do what I want when I want,
type of shuit. I mean, Rachel Lee Cook was also

(44:14):
a model too, I think, so maybe she's just like, fucking,
I don't want to be in a movie. I just
want to do other things.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
But she I thought she was great. I mean, she
has kind of an edge to her that I liked,
and I kind of was like I could have seen
her in more like indie films. It felt like she
should have been in more like I don't know, better
arts to your films, but she never got there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I kind of feel that way about Freddy Prince Junior
as well. I feel like both of them, in some
strange parallel universe, their characters probably could have been in
an indie rom calm or something. Yeah, but that the
rest of the movie just happened. They were like placed
into like a dumber movie. Yeah, it's like they're like

(44:59):
she played is like the Rachel Lee Cook character Laney
Uh Laney Boggs, who apparently was named after Wanona Writer's
character in Reality Bites, which I think.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Is she was named after two wa Writer characters, Kim
Boggs from Edwards Her Hands and Laney Pierce from Reality Bites.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
So well, and it is a good comp I guess
like Wanona is probably like an inspiration for this type
of character for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Also born in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Hey look at you.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So she plays this, you know, like political artsy, intelligent
nerd in her high school right, she's kind of a
mix between like Jesse Spano. It's like Jesse Spano from
Say By the Bell meets.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
You know, Ali Sheedy from the Breakfast Club.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, and she has this little bff who is maybe
like a gay coded character.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I was sort of disappointed when it turned out he
was straight straight at the end, I know.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
But he had that was his little ducky moment with
him and Anna pac One, which I thought was great. Yeah,
he got to have a little little prom romance at
the end of the day. But you know, obviously she's
from a completely different universe than the Freddie Prinn's you know,
man on campus character, right, And there were times where

(46:36):
you know, she was just sort of really intense in
a way that felt like, hmm, maybe this is like
I'm glad you're bringing a little bit of gravitas to
this ridiculous teen movie, but you might be like too
good for the.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, I think you know, something I kind of wanted
to talk about. I'm going to touch upon that, But
something I wanted to this sort of leads into is
like the whole conceit of the movie, which is mocked
often that rache Lee Cook is supposed to be somehow
undesirable yes, prior to her transformation correct, which is like

(47:22):
ridiculous because like she's so stunning, yes and cute. So
I guess I was like, what did you think I mean,
not another t movie is basically making fun of that
whole concept. That whole movie is sort of structured around that,
like making fun of this movie. But what did you
think about, like watching it play out in the movie
despite it being ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Oh, I mean, I was like, if she went to
my high school, she'd be having sex before any of
these jocks period, because guess what, there was this whole
other like underworld of nerds like her that were getting
laid on the rags.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Sure, sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
She was hot, like and the bathing suit scene is
absolute proof of that. I was like, first of all,
the fact that she went to the beach with Zach
was already like a complete betrayal to that character. That
character would have never gone to the beach, probably would
have owned a bathing suit let alone, but she did.

(48:24):
And then, because you ultimately have to have a scene
where the nerd like Clark Kent becomes Superman, you gotta
like take the glasses off, you gotta like get her
in something skimpy and realize she has huge boobs.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, well they do say. This is a quote from
the movie check out the bobos on Super Freak.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I think that was was uttered by mister Paul Walker,
rest in peace. The bobos gotta love a teenage boy.
But that whole reveal to me was basically like, ain't
no way she would have been a virgin. Ain't no
way she would have been a nerd.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
She was hot.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
She was hot, and I mean I think there's actually
been interviews with you know, Rachel Lee Cook and some
of the people that made the film that was like,
we know she was too hot to be this character,
but that was the vibe in ninety nine, is that
you had to put a hot lady as a nerd
in a movie.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, But in defense slightly of the movie, okay, I
thought that it was smart that they made her kind
of a grouch, yes, and like a louder grouse. Like
she was not a she was not like meek at all.
She's like loud and in your face, and I feel

(49:49):
like they made her kind of unpleasant, which I was
kind of like in a good way. But I was like,
I feel like that was that made it work just enough.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
For me to like they made her intense, which is
like intense is scary to teenage boys. They don't want
to deal with any woman who has who isn't melting
as I just learned. There's actually like a weird little
speech that Freddy Prince Junior says to Paul Walker in

(50:23):
the movie when he's like, all right, let's pick out
the ugliest, nerdiest, bobolest fucking chick in this high school
for you to make into a swan. And here they're
like picking girls out and like everybody's and that whole
sequence is actually really fascinating to me. It's not that long,

(50:43):
but basically, Freddie Prince Junior is like, you know what,
listen fat, I can deal with I can deal with
like ugly, but if you're like unapproachable and intense, that's
too like a bridge too far. Yeah, yeah, And I
kind of thought about that a lot actually, and I
was like, is that true? Can you be extremely hot,

(51:08):
but if you're an intense and unapproachable is it a no?
I still think guys are trying to slide. I don't know,
that's just me.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I think so too. But if it's at like a
contained environment like a high school where they're like, oh
we tried, people have tried and it's a no go,
you could see how she could be maybe an outcast. Sure, sure,
kind of I mean I barely, barely barely, but like

(51:38):
it was like enough to make it not a problem
for me. I guess something I was like at the
end the thing I had more of a problem with.
At the end, I was like, this concept is so
mean that they would do this bet to like take
her to that she can win prom queen that I
just feel like she forgave too quickly at the end.

(52:02):
I guess that was my biggest problem. I was like,
this seems almost insurmountable to forgiveness, like for her to
forgive him.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I would move schools if somebody bet. If I was like,
if I was the victim of a bet between two
popular boys, I would probably be like an impatient therapy
somewhere for thirty days. Yeah, and then move schools.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I would like join a nunnery.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I think it's like it's like so awful, it's like
almost too awful to like come back from. So yeah,
that was that was my biggest My biggest issue with
the movie.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I agree, and I don't know. To me, there is
a lot of nineties coded things happening in this film.
Besides the fact that the real world slash road Roars,
slash MTV spring Break is a huge storyline in this film.

(53:16):
But just tew many how many famous people are in
this movie?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Did you realize crazy? It was really like so insane
and like we both wrote down Lil Kim as a note. Yes,
but she is like I was like, oh my god,
Lil Kim's in this movie, and I feel like I've
seen this movie recently. I didn't remember she was in it,
but she has like two lines and she's like in
the background of some scenes. But I was like, why
is she even in the It's like a thankless role.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah. I mean, you've got, of course, Freddy Prince Junior,
Rachel Lee Cook as the principles, but then you have
Matthew Lillard, Paul Walker, Karen Kolkott, as you mentioned, Kevin
Pollack plays Rachel Lee Cook's father, Usher. I obviously Usher, the.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Star of the show, Star of the show.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Lil Kim first movie role. I didn't even realize that
she had been again in more than one movie or
any movie. Then it's like Anna Paquin plays was Zack's sister,
Gabrielle Union Doulay Hill, I mean Clea Duval is in
this movie. Alexis Arquette is in this movie. Apparently Mile

(54:21):
of vent Emilia is in this movie, even though I
don't remember seeing him at all.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I saw him for like two seconds. He's one of
these soccer players that comes over to clean Rachel Lee
Cook's house.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Okay, and then it was like the craziest one, the
craziest kind of walk on cameo has no lines is
Sarah Michelle Geller, who's in the movie for like two seconds.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Did you know that's the same high school that they
shot Buffy the Vampire Slayer at. Oh?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Oh yeah, isn't like Torrence High School or something. Yeah,
And obviously she's married to Freddy Prince Junior now so
maybe they were dating at the time. I can't remember,
but yeah, very funny.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Well, I'm like it's crazy because there's just little people
peppered into this film all over the place. I mean,
one of the guys from Styles of Beyond This like
underground hip hop group, is in the film rapping.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I was gonna say he has to be an actual
rapper because he was good.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that they're the ones
that utter the titular phrase.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
She's all that wow. But that kind of speaks to
this time period of this huge group of young actors
that were really big at the time, that it's almost
like this is a universe where people are just kind
of like Sarah Michelle Geller is just like walking through
you know, is just and it just sort of speaks
to how many famous young people there were at the

(55:46):
time making movies. You know that in and of itself
is almost its own cinematic universe.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah. Absolutely, all right, let's discuss as we have to
discuss with these types of films, especially in this era.
The South on Track for all that this apparently was
the movie that made the song kiss Me by sixpence

(56:11):
none the richer, a chart topping bop. Yeah, what are
your thoughts about this tune?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
This tune. I started going to dances when this song
was big, so this was a big part of my
middle school slow dance experience. I remember slow dancing with
girls in like seventh grade to this song, So that's
sort of my main memory of it.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
So I will admit something I've never admitted to anybody before,
which is that when this song came on the scene,
I downloaded it from napster.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
It took seventeen hours probably, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
It really did. It took like a couple of days,
many many different seeds. I listen to it secretly on
my first no, I would say probably the second or
third generation iPod.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
This is again a time where I was listening ulternately
to in Sync and the Poison album Look what the
Cat tracked in mm hm, And then I was secretly
listening to sixpence None of the Richers kiss Me, so
that and I was doing in secrets so that none
of my roommates or my friends would make fun of me.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Yeah. Uh, and like if they like try to like
look at your screen, would you like switch to like
pavements like slanted and enchanted or something?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, of course, Like this is all so fucking stupid,
Like I'm like, why would I give a shit about
Eddie of this now, Like I'm looking at this as
a forty six year old woman being like, oh, I
was like secretly listening to sixpence None of the Richers
Kiss Me while telling people like while I was wearing
a Jade Tree Record shirt and fucking listening to like

(58:04):
Yola Tango, like I was like, oh, you know, like
I'm super cool. And then like the levels of hiding
that I was doing in this era, like pretending to
not like in sync, but she's really liking in sync
straight up telling lies about my investment in the sixpence

(58:25):
None the Richer song. It's just it feels freeing to
be old.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I'm so glad. Yeah, because you were probably like, no, no, no,
I was listening to butthole Surfers, Locust Abortion Technician. I
wasn't listening to sixpence No the Richer.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yeah, I was like, of course, I'll go with you
to see Luccio Folchi's The Beyond. Meanwhile, I'm like in
like my headphones and like that on the moon Flow,
even though the video was very Jean lou Gadar right

(59:07):
or like it was like a Trufau movie or something.
I don't know, something was.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It I see, I get, I get that video and
love me mix love fool, love Me, love me so
that you love me so kind of mixed up.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Well, there's a little bit. There's actually I think there's
more than one video. One of them seems very French
New Wave, and then there's another one that feels like
Midsummer Night's Dream, except Freddie Prince Junior's faces.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
And this is kind of floating around in there yet.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah, so that's yeah huge. That was a huge hit,
huge hit. You know, they don't really have one hit
wonders like they used to. This was sort of the
time of the one hit wonder. I feel like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
That's because they you know, we're promoting singles like this
on MTV and TRL on stuff. Speaking of which, now,
there was no bones about this at all. I will
tell you in ninety nine you might not have been
able to find a bigger fat Boy Slim fan than
your girl Millie to Jerkey.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Is that right? Did you have to hide that love
or were you comfortable sharing that with the public.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I mean I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I was, but for the most part, yes, I was
very much on board with fat Boy Slim, who he
had some great songs. Oh so funny to say I
was a fat Boy Slim fan, but I was. I mean,
first of all, a lot of people know this who

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are actually cool and actually in you know, like a
eighties music state of mind. But you know, fat Boy
Slim aka Norman Cook was the bass player for a
band called The House Martins, who are jangly pop eighties Royalty,
and I was obsessed with The House Martins when I
was in college, and so when I was like, holy

(01:01:08):
fucking shit, Norman Cook from The House Martins is fat
Boy Slim and now he's doing all these damn jams
going off played at parties. I mean, listen, I love
the first actually the first three. I would say, the
first three flat fat Boy Slim albums are really.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Good, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
And this was like a huge error for dance music anyway.
I mean, this is like the late nineties. It was like, yeah,
if you ain't fucking with Astra works in the late nineties,
then you were a problem. But there was the whole
dance sequence. Yes, yes, it was set to the Rockefeller
Skank by Fat Boy Slim. And immediately when I saw that,

(01:01:55):
I was like, oh, I remember this, like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Sure, yeah, it's well, like I think maybe you mentioned
this already, but the director of this movie is a
dance choreographer, and you kind of mentioned that the dance
sequence is a little separate stylistically maybe from the rest
of the movie. Because a bunch of high school students
break out into wonderfully choreographed dance to Rockefeller Skank.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I quote unquote high school students. What it really felt
like was that suddenly a bunch of people in their
twenties decided to crash a high school prom and start
doing a dance to to a fat boy Slim song.
That is what seemed like could happened in the film.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And you said they had to bring Usher back in
because Usher is like, all right, dance club, why don't
you do that dance that I taught you? And I
actually thought this is a pretty good fix, because you know,
I don't know that worked for me. I was fine
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, it was it listen. I thought that the actual
dance sequence was great me too. It didn't really feature
many of the principal actors in the film so much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Actually, I would say, Rachel y Cook, you see her
kind of dancing, sort of doing some of the dances
they are doing. But it's basically these yeah, other, these
other people coming in to do this qureaographed dance. But
there was a post fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
There was a part where Jody Litt O'Keefe, who plays
the Taylor Vaughan, the popular girl character, does this like
seductive finger licking down the cleavage move that I remember
from the trailer, like crazy, and so that came the
memories of her doing that came flooding back. But like, yeah,
it was. It did feel like it's like, oh, let's

(01:03:44):
tuck in this, you know, choreograph dance sequence, a lah
dirty dancing or something. We'll bring in a bunch of
professional dancers who will pretend are just the other students
in the high school, and then we'll throw Usher back
in there where he is doing a pop and lock
and basically like has taught all these people effectively how

(01:04:05):
to do this dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
But you know there's other like kind of like I
don't know if you'd say dream sequences, but sort of
like fantasy sequences. This is sort of stylistically not consistent
because there's like a part where like Freddie Prince Junior
imagines he's on the real world with Matthew Lillard. There's
like other sort of fantasy sequences, but they don't quite
work and they're not consistent, and then they had this

(01:04:33):
dance sequence at the end. So it is a little
bit of a miss of a movie, I suppose, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
A little messy, little chaotic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I didn't I didn't care though I was having fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
You were just kicking back being like this is cool.
This is cool for me. I'm not gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Also, a time where it wasn't really like thought of
as like a totally bad thing for a high school
student to be dating a grown man who was on
the real world. Sure that wasn't really like a scene?
Is that problematic again?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
The late nineties early two thousands. One fact, and maybe this,
I don't know if you have anything more substantial to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Say, nothing else to say.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Okay, One fact about this movie that I think is
actually kind of funny is that there was controversy for
a while much later, like many years after this movie
came out that m Night Shamla was the ghostwriter for
this film.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yes, he claims that at first they were like he
did touch ups, but then m Night Shyamalan is like,
actually I ghost wrote it, and then the screen the
credited screenwriters like, no, you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well, he did apparently write the am I a bet?
Am I a fucking bet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Line, And that's arguably the best line in the movie.
I mean, it was shocking to hear that f bomb
dropped in there for a PG thirteen movie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
You know, I think you're how many you're allowed a
couple f bombs at PG thirteen, Right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Think it's just one?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Oh really?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
And it was used very well in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah, very judiciously. What else to say about She's all
that from nineteen ninety nine? I mean again, I think
the comedy of calling this an usher film.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
It's a joke. People end up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Geez, what are you like taking this seriously? Or so
sweets not what she she keeps saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
They say it several times, Oh you really thought that?
That's so sweet? Like four different characters say that to
each other. It's a runner.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
It's a humiliating runner throughout this entire film.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I have one last question for you and we can
wrap this up. Have you ever been to an experimental
theater show?

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yes? Yes I have in La Actually yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
How have you? Yes? I have? And I think the
funny thing is, like I've been to a few, and like,
whenever you make fun of like experimental theater like they
do in this movie, I'm like, this is this is
exactly what it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
It's ridiculous. Well, actually, can I scope out a little
bit further and ask you did you go to your prom?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So? I was kind of hoping you wouldn't ask me
this question. No, because I'm embarrassed to say the answer.
And it's not the kind of embarrassed you think it is.
I went to prom all four years of high school.
I was asked to prom my freshman year by a
junior girl that had a crush on me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
And then my sophomore year, I was dating a girl
who was a junior, so she asked me. And then
my junior and senior year, I just went normally. So Wow,
I went to prom a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Wow, So you were kind of popular, and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
No, I was not. I it's it's these things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
What are these rules?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Well, anyone can go to prom, you know, like but
like the girl who invited me when I was a freshman,
I would not say we were in theater together, you know,
we were in same with my girlfriend. My sophomore year
of high school and then junior and senior year, I

(01:08:14):
did ask girls to go to the prom, But I
would not say I was popular. In fact, I would
say I had hardly any friends at all, but I was.
High school was challenging. So that's why it's weird to
say I went to prom all four years because I

(01:08:35):
don't feel like it is reflective of my actual high
school experience.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
See, I think when I was in high school, we
were more or less still operating under the John Hughesyan
rules of high school, which meant that if you were
a nerd or into art or into music, or so
basically were anything other than James Spader in Pretty and Pink,

(01:09:04):
you didn't date, You did not go to proms, you
did not go to football games, you did not play sports,
You did not like do any of the things that
all these other people did. And it was a very
like hard line in the sand. And I feel like
that started to get really fuzzy as the nineties rolled on,
because I would argue the proliferation of alternative music, which

(01:09:28):
made being an outcast now mean nothing. So all the
lines got all loosey goosey, and now effectively you could
be the biggest loser of her high school and get
asked to prom every single year by someone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, you just get asked by another loser, you know,
but you're allowed entry into the prom. Where it seems
like before there was an unspoken rule that you wouldn't
go to prom or something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Yeah, even though so there was also this In my scenario,
I did go to my senior prom. However, I went
with a bunch of like freaks, Like I went with
my punk rock friends and my gay friends who were
basically pretending to go with, you know, I don't know,

(01:10:20):
opposite gender people in order to be able to go
to prom with their you know whomever, the girlfriends or boyfriends.
It was a total like fuck you prom experience, and
we when we got to the prom, we stayed for
literally five minutes and then we just went back to
my parents' house and drank all night long. But it
was like that was the only way I would have

(01:10:43):
gone to prom, and when my high school years is
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Like anti prom, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah, But it's funny because I feel like now there
is none of that, Like I feel like this the
prom is available to all, which I suppose is progress, but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Back in the day, I don't even know if it's progress,
but it's it's available to you now or something. Sure
you can just be a fucking loser at prom instead
of at home.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Well anyway, I just had to ask those questions because
you know, we're talking about this movie, and I guess, yeah,
it's important.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, all right, everybody we're back for our Area of
Expertise segment, my area of expertise, and we've got a
wonderful guest today, an old friend, a dear friend of mine.

(01:11:46):
Film critic for the Tribune News Service, Katie Walsh. Hi, Katie,
thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
It's a thrill to be here and to be talking
movies with you on the mic once again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Once again. You were a guest on Farthouse I we're
a guest on Maximum Film, the show I used to produce,
and then also you took over hosting duties for a
period of time on a show I produced called Switchblade Sisters,
and that was when we first kind of got to
work together.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
And that was, Yeah, that was when we first worked
together back in the studio, when we were.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Like in the studio. It is funny, that was a
time you you would never you would never record a
podcast over zoom back then, that would be just a sin.
And now it's all that's ever done. So it's very funny. Yeah.
The first show I remember, the first episode you co
you you took over hosting duties on switch Lads Sisters
was Adrian Barbo. Yes, talking about is it three Days

(01:12:45):
of the Condor?

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
We did talk about Three Days of the Condor, Yeah,
and I was terrified.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
It was a great episode. And I remember Adrian Barbo
actually called my home phone and we chatted for a while,
so that was a thrill. Yeah. But anyway, we have
you on today. We could talk about so many things, right,
because we could talk about so many things. But one
of the areas of expertise that you brought up, which
I found very titillating, was unhappy rich people on vacation

(01:13:18):
And you even sent a letterbox list. Now is this
a public list? Can people find this on letterbox? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah, it is a public list.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
One of my passions is making really highly specific letterbox lists.
I haven't made one in a while, but I every
now and then, you know, inspiration strikes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
But this is just I would say, I don't know
if this is my area of expertise.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
It is an area of enthusiasm for me, that's all
we require. It is a subgenre of movies that just
it always hits for me. I also just think it's
like a cheat code for filmmakers because if they're rich
people and they're on vacation, you can be in a
beautiful location, and it's like, wouldn't you rather see someone

(01:14:07):
break up against like a stunning vista or like, you know,
it just like gives you like extra beauty and cinematic
qualities are like potential. And you also have like inherent
conflict because you have, you know, people who maybe are
you know, dealing with things prior to going on vacation,

(01:14:28):
and then suddenly they're in this new setting and so
it's like they're interacting with new people their real issues
are coming to light in a way that I think
just like it's like inherent conflict and like inherent beauty
are like baked into the subgenre. So like this is
just the kind of thing that I will always enjoy watching.

(01:14:49):
It's also basically just white lotus.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I was just gonna say, like, I think that's one
of the reasons that White Lotus works so well on
all of the points you're hitting upon, you know, just
like the inherent conflict, And I also think there's something
true to that in real life, like, oh, the fights
you get in with your partner and other family members
on vacation some of the worst fights you'll ever have

(01:15:12):
in your life. You know, it's interesting because it's a
wide ranging genre. It encapsulates, you know, silly comedies like
I would include Sex in the City too, which is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
That was so I requested. I did Solicitations on Blue Sky.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
The other day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I was like, what else would you put on this list?

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
And someone suggested sex in the City too, and I
was like, that's deranged and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
But I left it on there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
Because I do think it's Yeah, so you can have
like a silly comedy, you can have a horror movie,
like someone suggested Speak No Evil, which I don't know
if you've seen that film. There's two m I have not.
Have you seen that, Millie, I haven't. No, the original
is Danish or something. But then there's the remake that

(01:16:04):
is with James McAvoy. I knew it was a James
James mcoy. Yeah, that came out this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Year last year year. Yeah, I put the original on there.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
But the reason why this works is because, so I
think that they're the key quality to this is that
the people need to already have some problem going on
when they get.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
To the vacation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Yes, true, because like someone else had suggested the Julia
Roberts Netflix movie Leave the World Behind, which I was like,
I think they're like pretty okay, and then bad stuff
happens when they get there. It's like, yeah, so it's
like kind of hard to pin down a little bit.
But the reason why I put Speak No Evil on

(01:16:48):
is because the guy is like already unhappy and that
is what sparks him to like go on this absolutely
misguided trip to go of his at these random people
that he Basically it starts with that he's on vacation
with his wife and his child and in Italy or something,
and they meet this other couple and this other couple's like,

(01:17:09):
oh my god, we're so cool, like come hang out
with us, and then they invite them to come visit them.
And then the guy's like so unhappy and he has
no friends that he's like, oh yeah, let's go visit them.
And then they go visit them and horrible, horrible things happen.
So it is like a really terrifying horror film. But
like this what sparks him to go do this is
already his like inherent unhappiness.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Yeah, they have to carry there, there has to be
some baggage entering into the vacation. Yeah, I think a
lot of these too, even if they're not horror movies,
there is sort of a I don't know if scary
element because people are so out of their comfort zone.

(01:17:53):
They're not at home, there's someplace else where the rules
are different and they have no control over their surrendymore.
You know, like even like The Dar Deealing Limited, which
is on the list. That's not a scary movie obviously,
but there is some sort of level of like things
are out of control and something could go really wrong,

(01:18:15):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I think vacations are like that period. There's always an
element of like, I mean, have you ever gone on
a vacation with your parents before? Yes, yeah, that's like,
this is one of the scariest things that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
I have ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
And I went abroad with them. I went to like
Italy with them, and I was like terrified for all
of us at all times.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
See anything bad happen when you were Yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Blew out a tire on the autostrata and I was
absolutely terrified because everyone's going like one hundred and fifty
miles an hour. My dad speaks Italian because he's Italian,
thank god, because if he had it, we would be
in the middle of the Italian countryside with like no
way to communicate. They actually when they came to pick

(01:18:57):
us up, we had a rental, so I called the
run company. I was like, we blew out a tire.
They brought tow truck, and then the tow truck driver
made my mom and I sit in the car on
the flatbed, which is illegal in America.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Encouraged in Italy and illegal in America.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Oh my god, but oh I know it was We
were like, this is some final destination shit, Like if
we die in Italy on this flatbed, then that's what
that's what's gonna happen. But yeah, that's the thing is that,
like it's like so unpredictable, and so if you're already
unhappy and your marriage or your relationship is already like
tenuous to begin with, and then you end up in
a situation like something like that, that's a thriller bare minimum.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Yeah, totally. What movies would you say, you know kind
of you know, sparked this sort of connection where you're like, oh,
there might be a list, there might be a letterboxed
list I could put together based on these few you know,
because usually it kind of starts with like two or
three movies where you're like, oh, I'm making connections between

(01:19:58):
these two. What what were the kind of impetus movies
for this passion of yours.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
So the actual inspiration was this movie Frankie, which is
on the list. It's an iris Ax movie from twenty
nineteen starring Isabelle Hupeer and it's she plays a really
famous French actress who's gathered her whole family in Portugal
and she's got a secret and she's going to tell

(01:20:26):
them something and everyone can sort of feel the tension
and they don't know what's going on with her, and
there's like she invites Marissa Tomey, who she wants to
set up with her son, but then Marissa Tomey brings
Greg Kinnear because she's dating him. So there's these like
weird sort of relationship things going on, and no one
really knows why she's brought them all there, and it's

(01:20:49):
just this like very sort of like quiet, beautiful, you know,
sort of lightly simmering tension, and I just I remember
watching it and being like, oh, like I just love
this because they're in a beautiful location and there's all
this interfamilial drama going on and like it literally could
be like slowest vibe and I would I would just drink.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
It up absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
And then I think also, like I really do have
a passion for like New England wedding movies. Margo at
the Wedding is on this list. Oh, I need to
put Rachel getting Married on this list. And there's this
movie Ceremony. I don't know if you guys have ever
seen Ceremony. It's with Uma Thurman. Is Ceremony on here?

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Yes it is. It's directed by.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Max Winkler, who is Henry Winkler's son, and Uma Thurman
is like getting married to someone else, but Michael and
Gerano is like in love with her. So it's this
They're at this New England beach wedding and there's this
weird sort of unrequited crush tension happening, and I just
remember seeing it's like no one's seen this movie. I

(01:22:02):
think it's like so delightful. So yeah, I think it
was like the combo of Frankie. And then these like
weird wedding movies that I love watching.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
And so you just inspired me another one. Have you
ever seen the Celebration by Thomas Vinterbur Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Great, that's a good one. Actually, Okay, we're gonna put
that on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
It's a fucked up that's very fun up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I like this is like a working document. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
I know I'm loving this. I'm feeling I'm getting inspired
just like hearing all these movies and it's just like
you have so many on here, and there's like it
really is a fertile genre. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
I got so many from the My Blue Sky Friends.
One that I had overlooked but I was obsessed that
someone suggested was this movie Doddsworth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Have you guys seen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Dodds work love dods Worth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
I love Dodds or it's do you want to talk
about it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Millie? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I mean, for first of all, I have to say, like,
for the record, I love the spread of the like
the different movies on this list because you have like
older movies like Dodsworth on there. I mean, You've got like, uh,
Separate Tables, which is another like great great film about
rich people on happy occasion. And there's also like a

(01:23:22):
lot of these movies on your list now that I'm
going up and down it, a lot of them take
place on boats, which I think is actually like extra chic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Yeah, comes to you know, they're an island even, Yeah,
like the islands and boats.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Like being contained.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Like I think when you think about like like, uh,
these older films like Dodd's Worth, Like I love those
older classical Hollywood films where it's like, oh, I'm going
to take an ocean liner cruise and then you know,
every night they're getting super dressed up and then like
meeting some random man and the like drinks cocktail area,

(01:24:02):
and like I just those were That's such a glamorous
setting for me. But also like because they're confined on
this ocean liner, they are like they keep running into
the same people and they keep being stuck with each
other or something. So yeah, boats are a good setting
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I think a big part of this genre too, is
which is something I experienced on vacation every single time.
Every time I go on vacation, especially when I was
like a teenager, I would be like I have a
completely different personality. I am a different person, Like I
am going to like be a completely different person. Nobody
knows me here. I can kind of like be someone

(01:24:42):
new here, you know. And I don't know if there's
any movies on here that are specifically like about that concept.
But there is a little bit of that, like even
in like Lost in Translation, where it's like you're away
from who you are and so you can be whoever
you want to be, or like even Infinity Pool in

(01:25:05):
a darker sense, like these people are like like, oh,
I can be like a murderer, sex insane person right now, like.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Why not try the drug or g Yeah exactly, but yeah.
I also think there there's an element of like, yeah,
trying on something new, but also this idea of wherever
you go, there you are. I think that there's like
a lot of expectations that people have for trips or
vacations or trying something new, where it's like, oh, like

(01:25:40):
I have really high expectations for how this trip is
going to be and then it's like not that and
it's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I absolutely love that Sex and the City Too is
on here, and I'll tell you why because I I
don't know if you, if either of you have been
watching the new season of and just like that, I
have you watched it all?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Okay, I have been cursed by a witch to watch
all of it. Just like that, I am doing it
against my will. I do not enjoy the show, but
I can't stop watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Oh it's like smoking cigarettes. I'm like, I can't believe
I'm doing this. This is gross, but I kind of
enjoy it. I don't know, I'm I can't totally and
it's like, and now my favorite thing to do is
to go on TikTok and watch people make videos bashing
the new season of just that. I'm like, oh my god,
I'm obsessed, but you know, it's been on my brain

(01:26:37):
and now that I'm like, you've made the connection point
that Sex and the City two is an unhappy rich
people on vacation movie. And then also and just also
how ridiculous that movie is. The vacation on that in
that movie is ridiculous where it's complete wish fulfillment bullshit.
It's like, you know whatever, like walk into these like incredible,

(01:27:00):
you know, hotels and have people like wait on them
hand and foot, and then they just have all these
like stupid adventures that are like sort of racist, and
you're the fuck is going on? And I just I
love that that's on this list. I just love.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
A shout out to the person who suggested that, I
have to admit I've never seen this movie because I
hate but now I kind of want to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Oh you have to the rub On it was that
it was like this movie is racist, like you mentioned MILLI, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yeah, like and it has this it has a very
similar vibe to is it this what is the Bridget
Jones sequel? That it also has this weird moment of like,
oh edge of Reason, Yeah, Edge of Reason where like
white ladies are trying to bond with like the like
women of the country that they've they've gone to when

(01:27:55):
it's this weird like let me show you how American
women live, you know, when you're like, what the fuck
is going on?

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Doesn't she end up in like a tie prison in
that one?

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
And like I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Feel like, very similarly, there's a moment in Sex and
the City where the same thing is happening, like literally
and I just am like, what is this right now?

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
I need, I really need to watch it. It's like
the smoking cigarettes thing. But I like, I have such
a fraught relationship with this franchise. Oh me too, Like
I've I watched all of the series. I'm pretty sure
it gave me brain damage. I watched the first movie.
I hated the first movie so much, I refuse to
see the second movie, and now I have to watch
this goddamn series that makes no sense and listen, in the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Spirit of being a completist, you've got to choke down
that second movie just to do it, because you will,
like watch your sream, you will want to scream. And
I only watch it once. I only needed to watch
it the one time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
But yeah, yeah, I think I need to just you know,
really just take it in because the thing is, once
I realize that that Carrie Bradshaw is a villain and
a horrible friend, Like now that like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
It makes more sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Yeah, and like that's like the one thing that I
do anytime I get on TikTok and any there is
any sex the city discourse at all. It's like Carrie's
a villain and it is really the funnest way to
watch it now, Like when you watch everything, you're like, oh, yeah,
she's she's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
A monster, Like I want Miranda to free herself from
that friendship.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Oh my gosh, that is so fun. But actually, now
that I'm thinking about it, is Bridget shows The Edge
of Reason. Is that a vacation that's a vacation movie, right,
or maybe that's a work trip.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Maybe that's let's do some research. I can't. I can
barely remember that one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I know somebody, way, somebody wig in any als will
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
So, Katie, are there any directors that come to mind
that you feel like would really nail and unhappy rich
people on vacation movie?

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Well, I think like the two kings of this are
Ruben Ousland and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Luca Guadanino.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Well, Ruben Ausland did most recently did Triangle of Sadness,
which is like a perfect example of yes, things really
go wrong on that vacation, I would.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Say, and he did Force Majeure, which yes, I was
trying like there is like already marital tension, but it's
like the Avalanche like reveals the tension in that film.
But I think it counts. And I also put the
American remake Downhill.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I saw that I haven't seen the I had to.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I had to review it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Oh, and you said, Luca Guadadino is the king who
did like the Bigger, Bigger and also.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Probably my favorite Guadaniina movie.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
And Call Me by Your Name is kind of essentially
it's like a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
But you could even say Bones and All is a vacage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
It is tree road trip movie. That's type one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Hey, they're in Minnesota for a big part of them. Yeah,
and even like Challengers and I Am Love, they feel
so vacation. They they're they're like vacation coded movie. They
are vacation. I feel like there's a freedom to them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
But yeah, Queer, I think would really count because the
guy would Yeah, I haven't seen that. He well, he's
clearly like wealthy and just living off of his family
money in Mexico, just having a time tying one on.
But who could nail this? I need to think about this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
But I think Nicole Hall of Center, you can do
a really good rich people on vacation movie. That's a
great call. And I also think Bom june Ho would
do a good rich people on vacation movie, just because
he deals with class so much, and a lot of

(01:32:06):
these unhappy rich people on vacation movies. There's an undercurrent
of class commentary, you know, with all of this. So yeah,
oh for sure, I nominate those two.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
I feel like maybe this is a little bit of
a cheat because I just remembered another one to the list.
But Mia Hanson Love did you guys see Bergman Island.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
I did not see it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
It's like about this filmmaker couple who go to this
Swedish island where Ingmar Bergmann lived and they have this
whole festival and they're both trying to write something and
like they're kind of having deliances and various things. But yeah,
Mia Hanson Love, I think just because she kind of

(01:32:51):
really gets like a certain tone and vibe that I
think would really lend itself to this. I kind of
like the ones that are are you know, obviously I
love the high concept, crazy ones, but I do love
the ones that are kind of like slow and moody
and like a Frankie, you know, or like a Margo
at the wedding or something where it's not super high stakes.

(01:33:15):
But like I even think like Ruben Ausland and Luca
Guadanino's movies that like they're so atmospheric, but like something
crazy always happens, like an avalanche or like really someone
murders someone or something. But so I think Mia Hanson Love,
I think I just want her to like keep working
in that in that zone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
I was trying to think of a director I and
this actually in this movie is again maybe like having
to like really establish the ground rules or something. But
I would think Pigrol Malvavar is probably my pick for that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
But then also the last.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Movie, The Room next Door, that he did, or at
least the one I saw, was sort of kind of
like that. I mean, I know that it's a it's
very complicated story, but they I think, you like rent
a house in the country upstate New York or something,
and it's they're definitely rich. So I'm like, I wonder,
I wonder if that fits. But anyway, yeah, you know,

(01:34:10):
i'd probably do a good one. If you were to
do like a straight down the line, like going to
the south of France to make some you know, some crazy,
you know, tense relationship movie, it would be great. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Like I like these vacations. You're kind of like you said,
it's like there's problems before the movie has even started,
and so you're kind of entering in medias ray you're
kind of like in the middle of the action, and
a lot of times it's almost like these people should
not be going on vacation right now, but they're like,
we're going on vacation. We're gonna have fun. Yeah, Like

(01:34:47):
there's sort of like an obstinence to these types of
movies at very at the very beginning, you know, to
the characters.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Yeah, like they think it's gonna fix something, yes, exactly. Yeah,
and like maybe the maybe maybe it breaks something, maybe
they learn something about themselves, maybe they come to some
resolution or maybe everything's broken.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yes, well, Katie, I do you, uh, how do you
feel about going? Are you a good vacation taker?

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
I think I'm okay, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
I don't. I feel like I don't go on a
lot of vacations, Like every time I travel is like
for work or something. But it is funny because the
past couple years I've gone on group trips, which is
a really funny dynamic, like there's always one enemy. And
when you go on a group trip when it's like

(01:35:44):
six people, like there will be like factions of people
who turn on each other and like one person who
like ends up being like the group enemy because they
like don't get along.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah, and sometimes that's an unpredictable person you never friend.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Going to be you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
So I just I just read that New York Times article.
I think it's called how to Plan a vacation with
a group and stay friends.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
To read that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Yeah, yeah, I think it came out like a couple
of days ago, but it was basically like, here are
some ground rules if you want to still like your
friends when you come home. And I actually think it's
really practical advice. I mean, I think it's really more
about like where the like, because I've rented houses with friends,
like at the lake or like even on vacation, and
that has a little bit I mean that I feel

(01:36:34):
like you really need to set ground rules about like
who's going to do what type of thing. But a
lot of times when you're just like all going on
a trip and you're all staying at a hotel, it's
a little i don't know, not easier, but it's like
at least you have your own little space and you
you know what I mean. Whereas if you share a
house with people, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Learned a lot about them very quick. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Well, yeah, I shared a house with people last year
and it was like kind of a mixed group where
some of us hadn't met each other before, and so
there was definitely one person who sort of like ended
up on the outs and like it was, it was tough,
but it also like then like really bonds you with
the people that you're like, oh, we have a common enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Yes, that's an important thing to have at work, yes,
and and the vacation and on vacation and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Also you're just like more I don't know, I feel
like I always get kind of like trying to figure
out like what people want to eat and what they
don't want to eat and like what like that whole
thing gets.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Really when, Yeah, I feel like a big thing is
when like I feel like so often I'll be like
I'm starving to the point of death and people are like, oh,
I kind of eat lunch ly. I don't usually eat
a lot, like yeah, something like weird like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Yeah, a perfect example, not calling out anybody that I know, perhaps,
but like like being in the country with like nothing
around and people being like, if I don't have my
like single origin pour over espresso this morning, I'm gonna
fucking freak out. And you're like, we're in like rural Georgia.
There's like barely even Starbucks around here, you know what

(01:38:14):
I mean. And they were just like people who like
can't adapt to the environment and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
They spiritually like oh my god, or like my thing
is like like I need people to like know and
take care of their own needs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
So it's like, if.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
We stop at the grocery store, buy the coffee that
you need, because I don't want this to be.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
A problem in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Yes, So, like you know, the like there was a
lot of weird food stuff with like on the trip
last year where I was like, oh, I'm going to
like pop into the grocery store and this person would
be like, why are you going to the grocery store.
I'm like, I'm getting food for later. And then they'd
be like five hours later, it's like, hey, Katie, when's dinner?
And I'm like, you were yelling at me for going.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
To the grocery store. Well, Katie, thank you so much
for coming on the show to talk about this. This
is very fun.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Thank you guys having me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
I love diving in and like what what precisely makes
this work?

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
So yeah, no, it's it's fun to kind of hear
people like things. People kind of glant, like film fans
like what they kind of glom onto, like specific types
of movies that maybe aren't celebrated as a genre. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
I love hyper specific, Yeah, subgenres. That's something that I
really enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
So, Katie, where can people find you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
So I review every week for the Tribune. So all
my reviews are on Rotten Tomatoes. Just search Katie Walsh
Rotten Tomatoes, or I link all my reviews on my letterbox,
where I have a lot more hyper specific lists.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Can I point out some? By the way, Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Please do?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I was the trip you're about to do it?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
I would love you to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Expl likably large fireplaces. Yeah, genius women be talking to aliens. Yeah,
and one of them, this one is absolutely I am
literally about to watch like half of these movies.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Iconic Himbos, Yes, yes, yes, Iconic Kimbos is a really
fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Thirty films, I got thirty films. Oh I love that
Army of darkness. This is so good. I love it.
Oh he's so true Imbo, what the fuck? Especially in
the later Evil Dead movies, I'm like, Oh, he is
a he's a hot dummy and we love it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:45):
So follow me in letterbox. It's Katie Walsh st X.
All my all my hyper specific lists are there. I'll
try to come up with some more, and I'm on
Blue Sky at Katie Walsh STX as well.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Fabulous well, Katie's so good to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Great to see you, guys. This is so fun to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
All right, that was so great talking to Katie. I
love Katie. I miss her. Yeah, I'm sad I don't
live in the same city as her anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
She's so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
I'm glad we are able to explore her letterboxed playlists
or her like letterbox those are fun. Yeah, I enjoyed
that a lot. Nearly one point I was going to
bring up that I didn't bring up during our She's
all that conversation is there's a lot of movies with
dead moms or missing moms, like teen movies at that time.
Like I was, this is just off the top of

(01:41:39):
my head, but clueless. Ten things I hate about you.
She's all that crossroads. What was going on?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Actually, moms are out, single, dads are in. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Interesting, Well, somebody, I wonder if there's a there's like
an academic paper written about that. I should love.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Yeah, you should go back to school.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Listen. I would kill for that Jstore access. I wonder
if I still have it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
I don't know your what store access Jaystore.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Which is the big database of academic articles. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
They cut you off. They cut me off, Millie. This
is our employees Pick section where we recommend movies based
on the theme of the episode. Today's theme was the
Usher cinematic universe, which we did not touch upon at all,
and we just talked about She's All That. But we
did talk about Usher, so that's something. Yeah, but Milli,
what is your recommendation for today?

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Well, I was gonna say, I mean, this isn't technically
an Usher themed episode, and I would like to recommend
another Usher film. There's, like I said at the top,
there's more than I actually thought, some of which he
is playing a character and not just himself. Right, Sure,
but I obviously feel like I have to recommend nineteen

(01:42:55):
ninety eight's The Faculty, directed by Robert Rodriguez, which I
guess effectively the movie that he made before She's All That.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
In that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Less than that, I know, another ensemble cast of famous people.
Of course, you know Jordana Brewster and Josh Hartnett and
I mean John Stewart's in this movie, Elijah. But yeah,
it's kind of like a sci fi thriller horror about
high schoolers. So it doesn't it's fun. Yeah, it's fun fun.

(01:43:28):
It's actually we did it. We did an episode about
it on I Saw What You Did, And it's actually
not not that bad. And there was this like conceit
in the movie where Josh Hartnett was like selling drugs
and the way that they would distribute the drugs is
through pens, Like they would put it into like a pen,
and I was like, that's actually genius. Like if I

(01:43:52):
was selling drugs in high school, I would totally put
him in a pen.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
I mean, come on, lesson the lessons you learned from
going to the movies?

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
What's short? Pick this week?

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
The faculty also was cited recently by the director Ryan
Coogler as an influence on the movie Sinners that came
out this year. So I feel like it was like
in the news recently, Wow, that's crazy for that reason,
and you can kind of see how they're similar. Oh
for sure, I'm recommending. So I was sort of thinking
about She's all that, and I do. I'm such a

(01:44:26):
simp for these silly teen movies of the late nineties
because that was when I was like in middle school
and really looked up to teenagers, and so I'm recommending
a movie that an ensemble film that came out the
year before, which I actually think is pretty good, are
pretty fun, and that is called Can't Hardly Wait from

(01:44:48):
nineteen ninety eight. This all takes place at a party.
It's with Jennifer Love hewittt Ethan Embery, Lauren Ambrose, Seth Green.
It's like the night the last night of high school
before graduation, and there's like a big house party and
Ethan Embrey is going to confess his love to General Hewitt,
who he has been in love with since like freshman

(01:45:10):
year of high school. And there's like a million famous
people in this movie too, and it's fun. I like
an all in one night movie. I like it all
at one location movie. And yeah, I've always enjoyed this movie.
And I like the song Can't Hardly Wade by the Replacements.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Who doesn't Man.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
That's one of my favorite songs of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Yeah, they're one of my favorite bands of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Are they really? I don't know if I knew that? Well,
the more you know? Did you like the new We
didn't talk about this before, but did you like the
new version of the album Tim that came out the
remastered version did you listen to that at all?

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
A little bit, A little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Yeah, they're a good band. Man, they're good band They're good.
Ethan Ambry in this movie and in the nineties was
a huge crush of mine, very crushable, very crushable. And
in fact, I was watching an interview, so I saw

(01:46:11):
an interview with Dave Franco and Alison Bree, who were
in the new movie Together.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Looks Freaky, Does Look Freaky?

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
I watched an interview in which Alison Brie admitted that
her celebrity crush as a younger person was Ethan Embry. Hmmm,
And I was like, oh, yes, that's exactly who Mine was,
too great besides Edward Furlong of course from T two

(01:46:43):
Judgment Day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
But oh didn't know he was a crush of yours
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Bro. It's almost like you weren't present when we recorded
like two hundred episodes of I Saw what you did.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
I was listening to other podcasts while you were recording.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
I knew it. I knew you were off doing some
of or Fandango when we were chit chatting. Yeah, no,
I like, except for Empire Records. That's like the one,
the one movie of his that I cannot stand for him,
but even up until Sweet Home Alabama. Shit in Sweet
Home Alabama. Talk about a dream. He is a dream

(01:47:20):
in theaters, a closeted country boy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Please. Yeah, I love Ethan Embry. He was in like
all these movies I loved, Like that thing you do
Vegas vacation, Yes, can't hardly wait. Good choice, Thank you,
thank you. I hope I didn't recommend that one before.
I feel like I've talked about it before, but whatever,

(01:47:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
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So next week we are off. We're on a hya.
I'm not gonna be here next week, Are you kidding me? No?
The week after though, everyone buckle up. Ah, I'm afraid

(01:49:42):
Millie's taking me on a journey that I'm unprepared for.
I have a lot of questions, including when I google
this movie, the words couch, couch, couch, couch, couch scroll
across the screen. Oh what, I don't know what is
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I don't either. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen
this yet, so we're both going and blind.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Okay, what is this? Mainly tell the people?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
All I know is that next week or I'm sorry,
the week after, we're going to be talking about the
current Juggernauts on Netflix, which is K Pop Demon Hunters
from twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
I reckon another new movie.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Yeah, it's another new movie. I reckon. I have a
lot to say about it from a certain angle, But
I also would like to talk a little bit, if
he wouldn't mind, about Netflix movies in general and what
makes a Netflix juggernaut and maybe some animation stuff gets
peppered in there, you know, because it seems to me

(01:50:45):
this is a movie that is extremely popular on Netflix
right now. All of the songs from the movie, because
it's a musical, are like number one on the Billboard charts,
and it feels is that right, oh one hundred percent?
It's like, go look it up right now, and it
seems it's enjoyed by both adults and kids. And I'm
just curious, because you have a child, if you have

(01:51:08):
any insight on any of that stuff via Netflix, if
you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Saying, Okay, my child is unaware of culture. To call
her a child is even she's just a little meatball
that's running around our house.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
But you will be indoctrinated into the children's entertainment sphere.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Absolutely, we already are. Ok we already are. So I
have stuff to say about it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
I do, so we'll be tackling that. So everybody watch
K Pop demon Hunters. Also, I have to tell you
somebody wrote us and said you need to repeat the
employee's picks again.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
Yeah, I saw this email. You should follow us on Instagram.
They're all posted on there. We have a nice little
graphic that says them every week. But this week Millie
re commended the faculty and I recommended can't hardly wait.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
There you go in closing, we do for you. Okay,
so stop complaining.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
It wasn't a complaint. I mean there were a lot
of exclamation points in it though. Uh good, All right,
well Millie, what a treat this was. I love talking
about This is like a great episode of the show
because it's just an appreciation for movies that I don't
feel like get the appreciation they deserve. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Yeah, well, you're welcome and I'm glad we got to
dive into this film, so I guess you too. We'll
see you guys in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Sounds good bye, bye, oh bye.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
This has been an exactly right production hosted by me
Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer
is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and
our artwork is by Vanessa l Our.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Incredible theme music is by the best band in the
entire world, The Softies.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,
Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho, we love you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Goodbye Becer

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