May 30, 2022 • 71 mins
Blair welcomes Johnny Pemberton (Superstore, Conan) to the show. He comes on to profess his love to a tenacious do-gooder from the past.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, Welcome back and thanks everyone for listening. Uh,
this has been so fun. I'm loving all your feedback.
Do I have an episode today for you. So exciting
to have on one of my dearest friends. He's so
so funny. You might know him as Bo Thompson from
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Superstore and many other things. He has a very funny podcast,
live to tape, so check out that. It's my dear friend,
Johnny Pemberton, and I love him so much and he
has some upcoming live shows that you should definitely check out.
Tickets are available. Uh, Johnny Pemberton dot dog is his
web is his website. Yeah, he has shows in Houston,
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Philly and Nashville coming up, so check out that as
well as his podcast. And this is just such a
fun episode. I can't wait for you guys to hear.
And as for me, I want to let you guys
know again about my big show and l A on Monday,
June six, So coming right up at the Allegian Theater
in l A at seven pm. Ticket links will be
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have fun enjoyed this episode. Hello everyone, and welcome to
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Dearl and Wilson with your host Blair Saki. Wow, we're
just get in star arted with this podcast, rocking and
rolling after having a live show for five years. Again
based on a letter that I wrote to Owen Wilson.
If you could gather that from the title, this show
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allows your favorite comedians, actors, personalities to have a safe space,
a place to show their fandom of people, their fans of.
It's a lot of fun. Let's get started today on
the show. I have one of my dearest friends, one
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of my favorite people whom I actually sort of became
friends with because I originally had him on this show.
He's been on the show multiple times, a fan favorite,
so excited to have him. One of the funniest people
on the earth. Please welcome Johnny Pemberton. Everybody, Hi, how
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are you doing Johnny, Hi, I'm great Blair. Thank you
for that great introduction. That was just such a great introduction.
It's the truth I do. You are one of my
dearest friends. But I feel that you are a very unique,
funny and talented man. Also, you have many varied interests.
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One of the most uh, really learned people I've ever met,
especially about plants. You know so much about a little bit.
I know a little bit too. To people who actually
know about plants, I don't know ship, but the people who, uh,
people who don't know about plants, I know a lot.
To the layman like myself. I mean, we'll go for
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a hike and you'll be like that and this is
and I'm like, what, how do you know that? Why
do you know that? Well? You know it now too,
I guess if you no, no, if God, I couldn't
even think of one plant to use as an example. Tomato,
Oh yeah, that's not in Griffith's Park. Yeah, it could
be a sandwich or something. Well, I'm so excited to
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hear who you read your letter too, So now if
you want to get started, maybe pop off with that letter, John,
just start off. Yeah, just read it for sure, I'm
sure no, no preamble or anything, no or something. Well,
I guess you know, it's two people. I kind of
wrote it to there's a character and there's a guy.
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This character, there's a there's don't tell us yet. Okay, well,
what do you mean don't tell us anything? All I'm
saying is it's an actor. It's a character. But I
think I think it's more. It's kind of to both people.
That's fine. We just to start reading it. Yeah, read
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it part we go. Some of this is some of
this is actually untrue. I did some fact checking after
I wrote it from my heart and realized it's not
actually true what I wrote. But that's a lot of
things I say on this show aren't true. So you're
in welcome company, okay, Dear mgiver A K. Richard Dean Anderson,
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the original mcgiver, not the new mcgivers, and not the
other spinoffs. How is Canada that's where you live? I
really like your hair. Later on people would call the mullet,
but don't listen to them. It's something different and it's better.
I think you're a cool, friendly guy who is super
smart but also doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. I
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love that it's so cool when you're playing hockey without
a helmet and you skate up to the camera and smile,
it's a hot look. The only thing hotter is when
a guy has on shoes, pants and no shirt and
any kind of hat. I'm not sure why that looks
so cool. It was like a soldier in the military
in Vietnam, like Robert Duval in apoc ups Now, please,
says Charlie, don't serve. I think you maybe did this
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look on your show at some point, I don't really remember.
My favorite thing about you, about your life is all
your friends. This is mcgever. You have such an interesting
variety of friends. Pete Thornton, who works at the Phoenix Foundation,
is the best. You get the benefits of a dude
who has corporate connections without having to work there yourself.
I'm sure he feels the same way about you, but
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the other way around. And there's your buddy Jack Dalton,
who's a pilot and he has a mustache. He flies
planes and he has a mustache. You don't have to
do either of those. Also, he is okay with shooting guns,
so you can stay a pacifist. I want to thank
you mcgever. Thank you for being there for me as
a child, teaching me about the existing, the exciting ways
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of the pacifist. Even though I would eventually go on
to shoot guns at an outdoor range with a friend
in Texas a few times and really like it, but
I still feel like we should avoid violence at all costs.
How come you never had a girlfriend in the show,
or maybe I just don't remember. Your insistence on using
a Swiss army knife instead of a gun was super cool.
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I eventually got a Swiss army knife and cut my
hand open using it wrong, and I would eventually learn
that Swiss army knife is actually a kind of sucks
as a knife, and then as a fully independent adult
man that would go on to collect way too many knives.
I think this is probably some sort of a masculine
replacement for my narrow shoulders and voice that gets mistaken
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for a woman on literally every single phone call with
a stranger I've ever had. I'm sorry I stopped watching
your show once I became a teen, and sorry I
didn't seek it out when I was older, when the
Internet made pretty much any form of nostalgia immediately available.
I did, however, tell my friend in college who introduced
me to David Lynch. My friend Garrison that I loved
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your show, and he said that he hated that show
and it sucked, and that whenever that theme song came on,
it would pick him off. And I think maybe this
made me cry. Later on, I was by myself because
I was so offended. Uh, if you were here to
say this to me today, I definitely would not cry.
And that's probably because I've learned to accept others opinions
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and that when someone ships on something you love, it's
just because they hate themselves. Thank you mcgiver. And I'm
sorry you've gained so much weight, but you still look
the same as you did twenty years ago, just you know, puffier,
and maybe you've since lost weight. But I refused to
check up on you as I'm scared you may have
become under the influence of the former president or some
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other folks on that area of the right. And even
if you are, I mean you probably aren't. But even
if you are, understand it because you taught acceptance and
not condemnation of others. But who knows. Ship gets murky
and people get old. Love you, mcgever, Love Johnny Pemberton,
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Oh my god, Johnny. Wow, Wow, there was so much
in that letter. Wow, it was really heartfelt. You really
put a lot into it. It's important character. Well, fuck Garrison,
Hush on your guy. He's good. This is a long
time ago. You know, we're still friends. He also introduced
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me to so much good stuff. I owe him a
huge debt, right, but people change, people evolve. Yeah, he
probably wouldn't say that now, but it's still funny. Yeah,
um god, and I do like that. You're like afraid
maybe that he might have gone potentially right wing even
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though he was like the face of the anti gun movement. Yeah.
I think there's a lot of guys like that now.
Who you just it's tough because a lot of stuff
that they believed in is similar to the stuff that
some of those some of those guys believe in now.
It's that that weird thing where there's like, Sobo needs
to make like a big VENN diagram of this and sections,
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and maybe you, maybe you will be the guy to
make the big ven diagram. That's definitely what I should
do with my time and him the diagram of aging
political interests. When you're not um working extensively in your
impressive garden one of the most impressive gardens I've ever
seen than Yeah. Um, okay, Johnny, let's get into this
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hitting interview. Okay, ding ding ding ding, Okay, Johnny, if
you love mcgever so much, why don't you have a mullet? Um.
I kind of had a little bit of a moment
at one point, didn't really, Yeah, wasn't mcgever influence would
you say? Oh? Yeah, I mean all mullet influences directly
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from a dieiver for me, right for you, for you,
and not hockey players, just mcguiver. Well, I think that
actually mcgever was a hockey player. I don't think I
know you was. They show him in the pilot and
on the pilot, but in the intro of the show
he's on skates, as I mentioned in my letter, no helmet,
no helmet, and he has on he's got hockey here,
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And so I think the mullet he's Canadian, right, So
Canadians are all hockey players essentially by Brent. So I
think maybe the mullet is kind of like which came first,
the mullet or hockey here. I don't know, maybe it's
the same thing. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, you know you
said no helmet and remarkable. It made me think one
of my childhood friends I played volleyball with Ding Ding
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Um her father was Rond Gay is Rond Gay and
he was the famous for not wearing a helmet in
the NHL. That. Yeah, he had a sick mullet too.
I think he still probably has it. But um, yeah, okay,
so Canadian hockey player mg so mcgover just went by
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mc iver, which is like a pretty hardcore move. Have
you ever thought about just shortening your name to Johnny? Um? No,
but I thought about maybe going like totally different. It
seems to work for some people having the one name.
I think if I was just Johnny that would be
too There's too many other Johnnies out there. So you
have a pretty cool last name too. Yeah, it's I
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forget that it's like not a normal last name, but
in my mind it sounds like anything else, so it's
distinct as hell. What do you have to do? Do
you think to have a mononymous name? Mononymous besides you
the rock star prince and you have to have a
what's it called the stage mom or stage dad, stage parents?
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Who have you never had one of those? No? I
think you have to be like, like, Zendia probably has
a mom or dad who it's age six, was like,
we're going with Zandia hard. They just made a choice
like that when they were young. I saw her head
shot in a Jamaican restaurant I go to, and it
must be like a twenty year old head shot, Like
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really it's she's like she's a child, like a little baby,
and says to die on it. So her parents threw
it up. That's what made you think of it? Yeah,
they Well, they definitely did it because she was She
wasn't that by herself. It's so funny to think about
how head shops get up in restaurants because one time
in New York when I used to live there, Uh,
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we always used to go to this place in Chinatown
who that called WOA hop that stayed open super late.
And one time we went and Greta brought her own
head shot and put it up on the wall there,
and that was before she was even on TV. Sign it.
Yeah she did, and she had it framed and she
put it on the wall. There's a really cool move. Um.
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All right. Well, so in the last season of mg Iver,
it's revealed that mcgiver's real name is Angus. Uh do you, Johnny,
also have a secret name. I didn't know that. Yeah,
I did not know the Angus Angus name. Look, that's
all that Lucien Wiggles, my private detective told me. He
just said Angus. I don't have a secret name. I mean,
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I just like go by Kevin, or I'll go by
Jason just for fun. Oh yeah, I do know if
your alias Jason, No, not Jason, Kevin tip Corn. Kevin
tip Corn all say I'm Kevin tip Corn a lot
and Dicker Troy, Dicker Troy. But that's a whole other thing. Yeah,
well I love Decker Troy too. Dick Retroy is one
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of the first characters I ever saw of yours. Yeah,
it was good. It's a good character. The truck driver
he's not truck driver, he's a transpo captain. It's oh
my god. I always get that wrong. Okay, everybody does.
But Dicker loves to correct people, so it's okay, it
works true. I have to win win, Okay, Johnny, would
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you say that you are the mcgiver of Burbank? You
just docks me? Um, Yeah, that's one thing I love
to do on this show is docks. My guests, great,
I don't think I am. Now there's got to be
so many people here who are Willy more mcgiversh than me.
I real, Yeah, there's so many people who are like
used to work in a secret airplane projects and and
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Burbank like it's skunk works, like this top secret, top
secret air Force project. Oh my god, I love top
secret ship. There's in Burbank, California. To Burbank Airport. There
used to be this thing called skunk Works. It was
I think it was during World War two or something.
It was like this top secret lab that developed all
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kinds of kind of like what I don't know was weaponry.
I think it was a lot of airplane stuff. But
it's a tar nation. Yeah, just sitting So I think
a lot of people who live in Burbank are either
descending from or are old like, uh, you know rocket
scientists literally rocket scientists that are up to clandestine ship
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just over there in Burbank. Wow. At some point, I'm
not sure anymore if you're doing that. But you know
what's funny is that knowing you a little bit now
I can see am diver in and so for real,
like you do like doing ship with your hands. You
like to be out in the nature. You like a truck,
You like a yeah, yourr backyard. The type of thing
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mcgiver's whole thing was was taking something and making something
different out of it. Like if he has like a
a paper clip and a bottle of tail and all,
and like a rock, he would make like a some
sort of a trip wire explosion thing out of it.
He was like, that was his whole thing. It's like
taking stuff and making it useful. So I think that
to me is always interesting, like the idea you can
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you don't need anything, You just need what you have. Wow,
that is a sole lesson right there. It's all within us. Yeah,
we have everything we need. Lucien Wiggles told me that
mcgiver always had a roll of duct tape in his pocket.
And I said, Lucian, how did he have a roll
of duct tape in his pocket? And he said, Blair,
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it was a flattened roll of duct tape. I said,
how do you have a flattened roll of duct tape?
Lou Shin, you have the chorus cardboard and you can
squish it when it's thin enough. Wow, you know a
full size roll of duct tape is so heavy that
it has a really heavy weight to it. Like I
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think that you could cause a head trauma with a
full tape of duct tape. Yeah, or at least you
would get taken away. We're getting on an airplane, right, yes, okay,
I'm moving on the Lucian told me that after watching
mcgever you got so jacked up that you punched your
medical school teacher in the face in Minnesota. Is that true?
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I mean, I don't know if what's the statue of
limitations on this. I don't quite know. I could ask Lucian,
but if it's not up, but we shouldn't talk about it.
Ending case Becau's now it's gone to civil has a
civil case. Yeah, I don't know how that works exactly.
Not a lawyer, a man of many talents, but are
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not a man of the law. They say, Okay, well,
you know what, we don't need to answer that one,
because I'm not trying to get any of my dear
friends and guests of the Dear Own Wilson podcast in
any legal trouble. Thank you. I appreciate it very much, Yeah,
no problem. Appreciate Lucien can sometimes be a little thorough
and sometimes my guests are like a quit alucion, you know.
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But anyways, yeah, I guess I don't know if Lucien
fucking lied, Um, just digging away. You shouldn't be digging. Yeah,
but I was like, Lucien, did you fucking lie? Because
you know, uh, it would be weird if Johnny was
influenced by a mcgeiver, a man who choose guns and
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violence and then punched punches a middle school teacher in
the face. It didn't quite add up. So yeah, it doesn't.
It's not it's not true. So oh, okay, well that's
a dear own Wilson exclusive. Everybody, it's not true Wilson exclusive. Okay.
Mcgiver is considered an anti hero god knows why, I
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don't know. And he's also has a genius level i
Q And you know you you do like to talk
about i Q sometimes, But do you consider yourself the
anti hero of your family? And do you also have
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a genius level i Q? I don't know who my
que is. I know that, um, my sisters in mensa,
so I'm not as smart as her. Oh really, your
sister's in mensa? Yeah, what's her name? Her name's Lauren.
Shout out to Lauren Laura Wilson MENSA member. So I'm
I'm probably not smart as her. But also I've never
taken the MENSA test. But also I don't want to
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because if I don't get in, then I'll know, Oh sure, sure,
I don't. I don't know. What was the question about,
Are you the anti hero of your family? I guess so,
I don't know. A lot of comedians are the anti
heroes of their family. I think I guess I am.
But it's not like a thing where, you know, I
don't have one of those families that can't they can't
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believe I'm doing comedy or hates it. You know. It's
like my family, Yeah, well they they have just one
friend of mine. He told me something about what his mom.
He's a very successful comedian, writer and stuff. His mom
was like, how come you did this thing? It's so
it's so stupid, and it's she's she was talking about
something that was like a successful network product. It's like
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that ship's crazy. I don't have that going on, so right,
but they're all like, oh, that wildly Johnny. That's what
I guess. So I'm not even sure I don't think.
I don't think about it too much. I try to.
That's very healthy. I suppose maybe it's maybe it's not.
I don't know, it could be. It depends on how
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you look at it, right, and reason in life is
depends on how you look at it. It's all about perspective.
That's true. Okay. So Johnny mcgiver is known for his
preference for non lethal solutions to conflicts. Yeah, you can
tell this is in the past. Fox, don't see much
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of that culture today. If you were in a situation
that required a non lethal solution, such as being a
bystander during a hardcore robbery, what would you do? Please
describe in detail? And uh, I don't have any more
context for this situation. See, I was just about to
ask for some context because I know you. Okay, a
hardcore robbery. Let's just say it's a bank right, it's
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a bank robbery. Well, I'm not going to care about
that because they're insured. So the bankruppers, there's no reason
FRAMEWI get hurts, let him stick, steal the money. It
was like a mom and pop shop, which say it's
a mom and pop, right, a mom and pop. The
last mom and pop I'm in there buying a sixer
of something Canadian and old, and it's getting robbed at
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gunpoint by somebody. I think what I would do is
probably find a way to chew all the bubble gum.
It's bubble to me quietly and make a massive ball
of bubble gum and hurl it at the the robber
and get them all gummed up. Oh my god, you're
gonna gum their asses. Then you're gonna gum their asses
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and save the mom and pop shop and pop Yeah,
and you know, uh, well that's a genius answer. If
I ever heard like so Menta should be calling soon, folks.
But I would say, yeah, you know, we could also
have considered throwing the role of duct tape. But if
it's flat, I don't think it has the same um,
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the same heft density. Yeah, heft a theft um. Alright, Wow, okay,
you'd gun the robbers. I was pretty good. I wouldn't
have thought of that. I also think that gumming is
like using gum is the cheapest oldest trick in terms
of like, oh, let's use this or that or the
gum wrapper. Using the foil of a gum wrapper to
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make a circuit connect. That's the old classic one that
everyone does. WHOA, that's really good. That was that was
obvious though. Yeah, I I like that one. You know,
I like some classics though. I think the old banana
peel slip on the banana bill. Yeah, that's gonna that's
gonna light up if you a robber or two. That's
a classic eighties nineties trick. Do you do you want
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to tell the listeners what eighties nineties means to you?
Or do you want to keep that secret? I think
it should it as a double nice double on toon there. Okay,
all right, sure you know. Sorry audience, you are my family,
but you don't get to know everything. That's that's yeah.
Maybe we'll be able to use context clues to know
what Johnny means by eighties nineties. Okay, So mcgiver's first
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name actually originally intended to be Stacy according to Paramount. Yes, yes,
I know it was supposed to be Stacy. I just
want to know what did you name your firstborn Stacy
in tribute to mcgiver or are you not a real fan? Oh? Wow,
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I love that. I love to have to choose these
two options. This is like what's it called witness coercion
or something like that when you only have one answer
like did you did you did you love your son?
Or did you feel the need to murder him? Is there?
What do you mean? Can't I know you? Were you
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the perfect father? Or did you seek to murder? Yeah?
I actually hate those would you rather? They're really that
people ask They're like, uh, asking ways to die and
they're all wretched. But I am an extremely shrewd interviewer,
as everybody knows, so I do have to ask the
heart hitting questions because I have a responsibility to my
listeners worldwide. I would name Stacy. I think any kind
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of uh, one of those names like Joe or Kelly
that goes both ways. It's like a gender bender name.
I like those names gender benet like Blair. Blair's a
gender bender Stacy. What else is gender bender? I mean,
Joe is the fun one because that's like, yeah, from
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Little Women, Because I was like, whose name Joe Joey
Potter from Dawson's Creek. I thought that was the coolest name,
Joey Potter. It is a cool name. But names Kelly,
like I'm Kelly Slater. Oh yeah, Kelly Slater broke open
the name Kelly for men everywhere. Yeah, I don't look,
I don't know that Kelly can really work for everyone.
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Of course it works for him because he's the man.
I met him once and I was like the star
wattage was, Yeah, of course I did met every pro
surfer like, yeah, somebody tough birthday party just ran. I
wish he was at my twelfth birthday party. That was
when I still served, But no, he was like dear
friends with a friend of mine. So I did get
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to meet him. It was thrilling, thrilling, very tan Kelly Slater.
Oh yeah, he's like a butterball turkey. Yeah, he just
spends a lot of time out there in the waves.
Have you had the term sun fucked? No, but I
can use context clues. I think that's a surfer term.
They say people you know who are just like blasted.
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You say those old dudes and like their fifties or
sixties who are shirtless, wearing like the oldest pair of
cargo pants ever, sitting in a lawn chair, just soun
fucked all hell right, like red and brown. That's actually
I'm comfortable saying this because I know he's not listening.
But that is actually how Lucian looks, because well, you
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know the story about how I met him in the
current river. But he loves to sit out there on
his chair, just fishing, and he looks inclusively wears cargo shorts,
but he does get sun blasted. Really, he looks like
he spends a lot of time out there. And I
sometimes say, Lucien, Lucien wiggles, like, how about you try
on some sunscreen, it would be good for you, but
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he says, Nah, that's for knuckleheads. That's what he always says.
Ye do this part? Do I just make this podcast
explicit by saying all these F bombs? Oh? No, I
love f bombs. I love feel free. Sometimes people be like, oh,
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can you swear in the podcast? Yeah? I never asked that,
and I should, but I love to swear. It's one
of life's greatest pleasures. I hate when people try to
make it a moral issue. I feel like they're not fun.
I want to start a podcast called no Swearing. You're
a little contraryan Johnny Pemberg Johnny Stacy Pemberton is a
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little contrary and no swearing just as a fun challenge, right, alright,
Life is challenging enough, Okay. Mcgever is apparently an ally
for social and environmental causes. During some vineyard worker strikes,
he assisted the Latino protesters against the evil vineyard donors.
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He also filled in as a big brother for a
program that helped delinquent youths. Mcgever also conducted hearing research
at a school for deaf children. On top of that,
mcgever tries to protect endangered species like eagles, the black rhino,
and also wolves. Plus he's a vegetarian. What do you
consider mcgever a fucking snowflake? Oh, the opposite. Mcgever is
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the original. He's the proto, the progenitor of all. I
hate to say, I don't want to say it, but
social finding justice and social causes. That's real. Because he's
a badass. He used to do all concert ship. He
would he would it himself and so much danger all
the time to stand up for the people who are
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being exploited or taking advantage of. And pretty much every
episode was about some some type of exploitation, either by
the government or the man or trying to enterprise. And
uh yeah he was. I mean, I think that's probably
what got me into that stuff way back when was
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just being like, man, this is these people are all crooks, Like,
yeah he was what was what was the question? Oh?
Was he a fucking snowflake? But it is an impressive,
very impressive resume. If I've ever seen one hardcore do
good or I think he probably had something bad happened
when his past. You know how a lot of people
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like that, they had something crazy, funked up happening to them,
and so it's kind of realigned their moral compass in
a way where they felt like they had to be
self effacing and do stuff for others because of something
like something happened, what it was something? It was just
like comedians, except where they never get to the part
of doing stuff for others. It's just the opposite. It
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just so the distills their ego to this, this brilliant,
breakable crystal. Something terrible happened to them in their past,
and then they went on to do this to get
into this nightmare business, the thing that makes the least
sense of any job to ever exist. Do you like
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being a comedian, Johnny? I do when I do. M hmm, yeah,
I think it's I like it when I like it. Yeah,
I literally unique comedian. I've never seen a comedian like
you on stage. I always see pictures like still, because
you know, every comedy show now is photographed. It's like,
it's my living nightmare. If you're listening to this. No
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offense photographers, but it is my right. I reserve the
right to look like shit. Yeah, it's just I started
comedy before that was the thing before that was everyone
and their mother had a DSLR and showed up with
the telephoto lens to take pictures of something that's basically
not even an event. There's like twenty people there and
there's two D photos of what happened. But some of
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these pictures I see it myself. I think I don't
remember doing that. I don't remember I look like I'm
look I'm exhausted, right like I would be exhausted after
what I did. I'm making too many facial expressions. Um,
you know you can never make But you know, we
all are are so hard on ourselves, and it is because, um,
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we have been socialized to think that some sort of
hotness is the only currency in this world, when in reality,
we are all you know, worthy and enough just as
we are. Uh now yeah, but now we have built this.
We've been deeply poisoned to think that our worth comes
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from being hot, which is wildly uninteresting. You know. I
wonder who did that too. I wonder who's done that.
Who's responsible for that? I don't know, but they've ruined society.
I think it's some of the people who mcgiver has
rallied against. I bet mcgiver would have a campaign against
you know, social media for children. Oh yeah, absolutely hardcore
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hope and all those like filters, all the beauty filters
and stuff, those are those are bad? Do you ever
use a filter, Johnny Johnny Stacy? No, I mean, I
guess I have used Instagram filters, but I've never used
any of the ones that are Um, Like I said,
I'm just don't care that much and I think I'm
just old enough to where it's not interesting. I love
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a filter. I'll throw one on, no problem. Um what
kind of filter you talking about? Talking about? Like a
just to filter, like like a camera filter, or like
a thing that changes your appearance. Instagram filter. Some of them,
they're fun, They like make you look extremely hot, you know, Okay,
I'm talking more like the ones that give you, like, uh,
the change you know the ones that do stuff that's
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kind of unnatural. Oh yeah, stuff that adds stuff, not
just like a filter. What do they call that, the
one that like makes your face look um face tune, Yes, Sonny,
thinking of that stuff where it makes you look more
like a Kardashian. Sure, I don't even know how to
take Like a lot of my friends know all these
tricks for how to take hot picks, like angles and
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light and all the I have no idea any of it,
and it would be helpful for me to learn, but
I'm brain dead anyways. Okay, mcgiver seems to drive a
lot of jeeps, Pal, how do you Johnny feel about jeeps? Uh,
if you were mcgiver, won't would you be your preferred vehicle?
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Or what if you the Creed truck you have? Now? Well, um,
I think I like the jeep because the cheap. I
think mcgiver does that because it's easy to fix a jeep.
It's easy to repair, so like yeah, they're com oh yeah,
because they're like designed, like those old jeeps are designed
to be able to be fixed by like a mechanic
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who just is in the army, you know, like someone
who's not this person but someone who knows basic mechanical stuff,
so they can they can fix them in the fields
or maybe eighties nineties, maybe like a eighties nineties, No exactly.
I think they're designed to be you can get at
the engine easy, you can fix stuff with the parts.
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Are um just they're supposed to be easy to fix,
I think, so you can prepare them in the field,
whereas like you drive like a Lexus or a Maserati,
you can't fix it at all. Would you ever drive
a Maserati, Johnny, I would drive it into a pole? Yeah? Really, Yeah,
there you feel that much of a passion to I
think they're maybe the worst cars ever made. They they
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lose value faster than any car that's ever been made.
You when you drive them off the law, But Moserriti
loses it fastest and the most because there are pieces
of trash designed by idiots. Of how hard you go
on these arbitrary things. Well, I just I like cars
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a lot. I've always loved cars every since I was
a little kid. My dad was a big car guy, really,
and so was my mom's dad, my grandpa, my grandpa
was too. Yeah, So I just grew up around car
stuff and Uh, that's just something where people always talk
about if you see someone driving a Maserati there, it's
just like a new money status thing. It's like an
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actual decent car at all. It's a piece of trash,
new money statising. My grandpa also he used to restore
old cars, and he restored this vintage mint green Porsche.
It was really cool. Old old those are the best.
The Porsches are the ultimate. I mean, it really is
the ultimate car. Yeah. I think if I get rich,
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which I planned to God willing um if I was,
I'm not a car guy at all in any way,
shape or form. I do not care in any way,
but if I did, I would get a motherfucking Bush.
I would love to get an old one or one
of those. Like. I also love those convertible like eighties
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nineties Mercedes. Oh yeah, those are great though body style
before they came back, when they were still a true Mercedes.
You could drive him through. You could drive them through
like a a furniture warehouse. And they no dns really
because they look like little tin cans that was scrunched up.
Get pull over ice. Do you talking about like an
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s L those tiny little convertible ones that are so cute.
I mean, it depends what era I suppose. If I
mean a small car is a small car. But if
it's the older the Mercedes, the heavier they're built, I
think there's a lot more steel in the car. There's
a lot of stuff that they don't have now. Cars
of all cars are just I don't know, especially as well.
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One thing I never knew about you was your deep
disdain for Maserati's. So you do have a truck that
is very important to you and I want to know, well,
it's it brings you joy in your life. I think
that anyone who knows you would say that it does
bring you joy and it is also um, there is
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something you you like the band Creed. I have a
relationship with the band crea I wouldn't say I liked them.
I feel like there's like a sort of part of
my life in terms of a long running, like twenty
year old joke. Oh okay, So do you think that
McGivern would like the band Creed? Who? I bet he
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wouldn't because you're a little bit too new. He'd probably
more into like older stuff. Oh, probably stuff it's not
that great, probably like Moody Blues, and stuff like that,
moody blues, you know what I mean, just kind of
like generic state fair rock. Oh, I think I like that.
I like a lot of music that I think other
people do not. Is what's come to my attention, Like,
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what what do you think people don't like that you like? Well,
I really like pop music and I like, uh, but
you realize that pop music is literally what people like. Yeah, sure, no,
that's what Oh trust me pow. That's my main defense.
Anytimes one of my art art culture hipster friends tries
to shoot on it, I'm like, actually, you're the minority bitch.
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That's why I say you're the minority bitch. I always
said that to you too. Yeah, okay, anyway, So mcgeyther
is proficient in Russian, German, I forgot, Italian, Spanish, and
American sign language, knows how to use international maritime signal
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flags and Morse code. Oh my god, do you speak?
And do you think that mcgover was simply being hunted
down by the app dual lingo? Um? Okay, I'm gonna
start with the backside of that question. No, I don't
think he has been hunted down by due lingo. Why
don't you think that it makes a lot of sense.
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I thought that you are open to some sort of
some conspiracy theories, but not all well, Lucian thought that
maybe there could be a connection there, because it's his
job to put things together to make sense, like a puzzle.
So like they have like mc Iver in some sort
of saltwater tank at body temperature, harvesting his brain to
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teach people language something like that, or that he was
being forced to know every language, or like they would
kill him or something. I don't know. Um I can
either confirm nor deny. But as far as languages, I
know a little Italian, I know a little bit more French,
and I know a little Spanish. And that's about it.
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You know so much weird ship, it's crazy. I just
took French in school for like six years. I took
a semester of Italian in college. And Spanish I know
from just listening to Spanish music and trying to learn
Spanish on my own. Ha ha ha. That's the only
French Chinas from Keenan Thompson on all that. Do you
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remember that I thought Keenan Thompson when I was a
kid on all that, I was like, this is the
funniest man I've ever seen. I still think he's so funny.
He taught me French. Anyways. Okay, so mcgever is known
according to Lucian uh Lucian Wiggles, my private investigator, mcgever
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is known to show flashes of intense anger when his father,
who disappeared from his life at the age of ten,
is mentioned in your humble opinion? Should mcgiver have focused
more on dealing with his motherfucking daddy issues in therapy
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instead of learning seventy five languages? I think that he
probably did both, and that maybe where he was in life,
therapy wasn't available to him. And you know what, as
a person who's been to therapy enough for a long time,
I think that probably if I had done stuff like
mcgiver instead of going to therapy, I'd be better off.
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I think therapy is kind of a joke at some
point because there's only so much I can tell the
same person and have them help me. I mean, how
many times can you tell one person the same thing? Right? So,
I do know what you're saying about talk therapy, because
while some for some people therapy, especially when they first go,
if they're not you know well versed in this sort
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of thing. It's just like mind exploding and like the
most important thing they've ever done. But if you have
done a lot of therapy and you're interested in psychology
and you know uh self reflection and all of that,
like there is something to what you're saying about. You
can only intellectualize something so much. Like especially also, you
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can talk about something traumatic over and over without feeling
any of it, so you're not actually moving through the
trauma without actually because you have to feel all the
feelings to get it out of your body. I also
think that when you're talking, when you're talking to a therapist,
it's this thing where it's like a lot of times
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I prepare for a therapy and thinking like what am
I going to talk about, and in the preparation of it,
I solved the problem. Oh that's cool, Johns. I'm thinking about,
like why am I feeling this way? And I'm talking
it out to myself from writing about it, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
it's because of this, And it becomes so therapy session
a lot of times since I'd be being me telling
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the therapist what I figured out, and he just going
that makes sense. What they say. They say that like,
you know, because most of the therapists, especially the ones
that aren't that great, that don't like push you to
your edge, like they always say that you figure it
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out by listening to yourself talk. Yeah, it's that thing.
Someone I saw something recently about. Uh, this is interesting.
That goes to the language thing. How In a lot
of romance languages like Spanish and I think maybe German
or French. You know, we're gonna say I feel like
someone hates me, or I feel like they don't like
my car. But in those other languages like Spanish, I
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just was trying to trying to sew it all up here. Okay,
I feel like they don't like my mother, I feel
don't like my mass Erratic and Spanish and some other language,
I think, some other European language. Maybe it's German, maybe
it's a romance language. They the wording for it isn't feel,
it's I think. And so there's something about that that
changes the nature of the way you say the thing,
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because when we say I feel fal that that is uh,
it's not true because we don't we can't feel like
someone doesn't like us because we don't know that so
if you say I think they don't like me, you
have to provide evidence as to why, But you don't
have to provide evidence for how you feel because it's
a feeling. But really you have this thought that's definitely
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not true. Like I think that if I said, if
you said I think they don't like me, someone would say, well,
why do you think that, And you'd be like, well, um,
I guess you're right. They just weren't a hurry and
it wasn't because of what I did. But if you
say I feel that's you know, I mean, it's a
different things in the semantics of it. Sure, I go
back and forth with this because like a lot of
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ship we do just take personally inherently that is a
reactionary from our own wounds. And but you know, and
a lot of times it's like, oh, yeah, like that
person wasn't a hurry. It had nothing to do with me.
They weren't even thinking about me at all. But then,
on the other hand, most communication is non verbal, and
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a lot of times you can just feel energetically when
someone doesn't like you, like you know, you can feel that,
or you can feel when someone does like you also
like you feel at ease. But I guess it can
be circumstantial still, where like you can feel someone is disinterested,
but they could be just preoccupied or what. Yeah, then
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I guess it just goes back to the whole thing.
We have to just be Oh, it doesn't matter because
right that's what I'm really working on. And I think
you have to even develop it even more if you
plan to do anything in the public eye, because you
get you receive more criticism than the average person. Yeah,
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it's imp Yeah, we're all trying to develop inner safety.
Just like the diver protect the ego. M M. You
gotta protect it, right when really the ego is just
trying to protect dust. But you know, sometimes it needs
to shut his mouth. It does. You have to pick,
you have to pick your battles because you do have
to protect it to some extent. It's important to protect.
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Like I always think about that, always forget sometimes it's like, oh,
maybe I don't need to do this thing that's gonna
be injurious to me. Injurious you know what I mean.
It's gonna be a thing where it's gonna be I'm
gonna be thinking about it a bonch and feel weird
about the situation, like why do that when I can
just not do it and have enjoy everything so much more.
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It's like going it's like swimming up stream, Like why
would you swim up stream? There's no point, There is
no point. Okay, Uh, you're right, Johnny, Okay, so you
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you're ending. Conclusionary answer is that mcgiver did not need
to go to therapy to work on his daddy issues.
He did spend his time correctly by learning all those languages.
He also had a lot of good friends who helped
them significantly. Right, I think that's really good. And you know,
I think are the quality of our life is determined
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by the quality of our relationships. Yeah. His friend Pete
Thornton was someone who I always thought was such such
a great friend to him. Was so nice to watch
them be friends because they're very different people. That's the
thing I like the most about friendship stuff is having
I don't think I like to be friends with anyone
who's really similar to me. I feel like, I like,
uh that makes sense. Yeah, it's so boring. Yeah, we
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have I feel like we have like a lot of
character friends that are all well, really different, like a
little collect I got a collection. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
I like my collection. Yeah, I like it too. Um
good good friends, all very different people. Uh so Johnny mcgever.
According to Lucian Wiggles, mcgever is quoted as saying, it's
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no fun if it's too easy. Do you also prefer
a very difficult life? Yeah? Actually yeah, Holy sh it,
it's so funny. I didn't all this stuff. I totally forgot.
But it's crazy how much I agree with that. Yeah,
I fucking I totally agree with that, even though I
literally just said, what's the point of swimming upstream? But
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you can both ideas. Yeah, I think there's a I
think you gotta uh, there's no point in seeking confrontation
or just getting something because it's difficult to get. But
I also think that the idea of things being challenging
is so much more interesting. Like any time I've had
restrictions placed on me for something creative, it's I love.
It's so much more. It's just so much Yeah, I
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love it. That's so hard, but it's not hard. It's
like the opposite because it gives you. It's the whole
necessity is the mother of invention type thing where I
wouldn't do it if I didn't have a thing that
was Yeah, they have. The boundaries helped so significantly. I
think that's a big problem with a lot of Uh,
I mean, I don't know. For me, I have problems
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with that now. Is when you can do anything, it's
hard to do it. When you can do everything, it's
hard to do anything. Sure, sure that I get what
you're saying, especially like so much of our attention span
is so depleted with social media and all this stuff
instead of just being where we are, And like, that's
why I want my brain to go back to when
I was a kid and I would experience boredom because
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then you get ideas and it's supposed to be I mean,
we can talk with us forever. But there's so much,
so much information coming out now about how much boredom
helps you, helps your brain and how it's it's just
one of my new favorite words to say. I'll probably
say it wrong, but it's it's deleterious, exclusive, deleterious. I
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just love you when that word sounds. It's it's deleterious.
The amount of boredom that we are not subject to. Well,
also when you don't have any free time because it's
seemingly being taken up and by all this bullshit social media.
You don't even have the space to find the emptiness
that spurs on to drive to start some big creative project.
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Yeah what you said, the best is seems because it's
totally not real. It's all it's a manufactured It's like
a thing where I always think on their day, like,
I don't know how long it's been since I didn't
go a day without checking my email, right, wouldn't that
be great just to literally not check it for like
two days. I enjoy checking my email because I always think, oh, someone,
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some incredible like Martin Scorsese is going to email me
and be like, Blair, I just procured your email off
your website and I had to email you to ask
you personally myself if you a star in my next movie.
So I do like email because I always think there's
going to be like a miracle job show up in there.
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But the rest I don't like social media. Everybody knows
that I want to event really be off like Bill Murray,
Oh my god, yeah, I mean when I'm successful enough.
Well that that's a big question though, is what is
that line? I don't know it's different now. The line
is it's been, it's changed. Yeah, I mean there is
a thing in this business, especially where the goal post
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is always moving. Like I remember all these things when
I was younger, like that I now went on to
do that I thought were such a big deal. God, Like,
you do them and you don't feel any different the
next day. In fact, you like forget that even happened,
but depressed again because you just had this thing. It's
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like you've been the thing you were dreading or or
maybe looking forward to, or a combination of it happens
and then afterwards you have nothing to do or seeking
with desperation, like like you wanted it so bad, like
you wanted I don't want like that anymore, like, which
I think is very healthy, because it's like living in
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a constant state of lack, which is just not a
good use of our minutes being alive on earth. Now.
I want things, but like I want them like a
loose garment, you know, just I want them loosely. I
don't need them, you know, yeah, you definitely don't need them,
that's for sure. Yeah. Okay, So I want to know, Johnny,
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how do you feel about the after Richard Dean Anderson.
Do you think about him much? Like, did he go
on to do any other projects? Because Lucian didn't tell me.
I don't know. Actually, I think he's down up a
couple of things. But I looked up a picture. I
saw a paparazzi picture of him from like two thousand
and seventeen, and he's pretty chubby, and he's shopping at
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a grocery store in Malibu and he's kind of being
like nice to the camera, like, hey, you know what,
you guys could have just seen the face that Johnny made.
I'm happy he lives in Malibu because Malibu is a
truly dreamy place. Uh. You know, as many of you know,
I did grow up on some of the most fabulous
beaches of Orange County, California. But now that I live
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in Los Angeles, I live on the East Side. It
takes many hours to get to Malibu. But when I
get there, I think, Wow, this place is really beautiful.
It's really special. It's great. It's a great place to
wreck a Porsche. Yes to Caitlyn Jenner some ship over there. Yeah,
I don't know what Richard Tinason is up to. I'm
sure I don't know I have no idea. Really I
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should check in, but like I said, I'm a little scared.
But maybe after this I can ask Lucian to do
some research. Yeah, I mean, he's got to be doing something.
I don't know. It wouldn't take that much, but if
he's like really into painting in his retirement, like George Bush, god,
I could see that. I could see him doing just
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about anything right, because he feels even though it's a
character he played, he played it for so long. And
I always think that anyone who plays a character, that
you can't play a character well without having a big
piece of that being you. It's like the whole Kevin
Spacey thing. You know, Oh my god, that's the scariest
(54:08):
creepiest shot I've ever seen. When I saw those Kevin
Spacey videos, I was like, this man is not tied
to Earth. He is fully living in a different galaxy.
But he's he played that character so well because he's
like he's like a I mean, there's stories of him.
He used to impersonate Johnny Carson's son to get free
tickets places they do all the time. So he's like
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he's always been kind of a creepy scammer guy. And
the fact that he played that character on House of
Cards so well is because it's kind of in his nature.
I think, Yeah, and there's something where the discomfort of
being himself is just too deep that he can't even
not Yes, that's the nail on the head right there.
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Are you kidding me? That's like the that's like to
me is the most prime driver of any thing I
ever want to do as far as acting. It's just like,
please can not be myself? Can I take a break
from being myself? Yes? Nothing, Nothing feels better in this
entire world and taking a break from being yourself. You're
such a good actor, John, You've been in so much stuff.
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I mean, I have acted. I wouldn't say I'm like
a great actor anything. No, I think you're a really
good actor because I took an acting class with you
once and I was like blown away. I was like,
I have a lot of work to do. I have
a lot of work to do it too, but I
really I want to act so badly. I hope that
I book something this year. You have to be crazy,
I think I know. Well. All the parts that I
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do get are like cookie, cuckoo, cuckoo, girl, and I
love them. Yeah, you just do it. You don't have
to act, you just step into it. I know you're right.
I think I need to like let it rip more,
you know, let it rip, just go in there drunk.
I haven't just drink that much these days. Well, maybe
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just save it for auditions, right, um. I think I
told you about this already, But like, I think it
was like three weeks ago. I had two drinks and
I was blind blind drunk. I was hung over for
three days. I was like, how is this happened? Like
I used to be a fucking I used to drink
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like crazy when I was younger. I think those are
probably pretty strong drinks though. Yeah there were Cadillac marks right. Yeah.
Well I'll tell you this and I know that you
will shoot it. Um. I ever since I got my
Reiky attunements, here we go, Ever since I got my
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Reiky attunements, famously during quarantine, when I took my Reiky certifications,
I have I think that they made me become more sensitive.
Or I was going to say they funked up your lawrence,
That's what I'm saying. I'm so like, my sensitivity to
everything has been really heightened. Like even caffeine to like.
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I took a five hour energy the other day at
two thirty and I still felt it the next day
at twelve thirty. I was buzzing. Dude, damn, I haven't.
How did you do your reset? I think I need
to do a chemical detox. I'm doing a little. I'm
doing my vegan one right now. I just need to
do a stimulant and uh alcohol, just like general sort
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of not so much a detox, but just stripping down
having just a few different types of things to eat,
not like a little break, yeah, just like a break
or I haven't done a fast and for forever. Yeah,
I'm knee deep in my v I like to do
a couple of weeks vegan thing, and that's what I've
been on. It's no joke, Doug. But the problem with
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the vegan thing to me is there's still sugar. And
that's what I have a problem with. Sugar, not me.
I know. The way I do it, it's like vegetables
soup tofu, like there's no bullshit in there, there's nothing processed. Wow. Yeah,
but that's why I can only do it for two
weeks because it was but whatever, whatever, you know, what
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I mean. I'm talking. I'm talking. Uh, you're just having
KFC plant plant based bites. Yeah, like when people do,
know Johnny No, Like when people say they're vegan, but
they just eat like chips and mountain dew. Yeah, that's
why Lucien Wiggles loves mountain dew. But that's okay. He's old,
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He's allowed to drink it. It's good stuff. It tastes great.
Do you like mountain doo? For real? I haven't had
it in a long time, but the last time I
did have it, I remembered like, wow, this is this
is good man. I love soda. That's like my ship.
I love soda. So you're not having caffeine right now?
Oh no, I'm having caffeine. How much a little a
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cup of coffee in the morning? One cup? Yeah? Okay? Um,
But do you think that mcgiver what do you think he?
Do you think he drank soda? Did you have a
cold e ever once in a while, mcgiver? Or was
he too straight lace for that? He's got it. He's Canadian.
You can't. You can't not drink beer and be Canadian.
It's what those things where you can, but you have
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to be like, oh, I used to be a uh
you know, I used to be blackout twelve days of
the month. I don't I don't know. I feel like
he popped a cold one. Okay, everybody don't know about him.
I maybe I kind of think that maybe he um
likes to drink get t drunk, like a good good
what's it called sencha? Sen? I don't know. Essential just
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tap a green tea. I think you can get tea
drunk off it You heard of te drunk? No, no, no, no,
you're securely introducing me to tea drunk. I found out.
I've had it happened a couple of times, but only
by accident. There's a type of tea preparations and Japan
the style of preparation where you you like infuse the
tea for a certain amount of time, and a certain
type of tea where it bleeds off the caffeine. So
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you get these things called you get something called gabba,
and you get something called penine. So if you drink
enough tea, which you're drink a fucking shipload of tea,
you get drunk off. You get like really kind of
like that drunk drunk. They call it tea drunk. But um,
you feel very like a sense of overwhelming sense of
well being. Wow, I am aware of the Gabba and
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deenin as like supplements. Um, but that's really cool. But
you would have to drink so much tea. You have
to drink that much. You just have to prepare it
in a certain way. I think maybe you have to
have you have to not drink a ton of caffeine
because you are getting caffeine. But if you're if you
were like drinking a lot of caffeine every day, I
think you might be a sensitive to the Gabba and
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the fenin. Um. I don't know. It's some sort of
interplay with the chemicals my dream. I don't know that
it will happen in the lifetime for me. Maybe the next.
But I would love to be off caffeine completely, a
no caffeine. I don't know when I could do that.
Really you should just if you tried doing a month
no uh that. Michael Pollen he wrote a new book
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about drugs and stuff. He talks about how he did
a six week break. He says he had to do
at least six weeks and when he did it again
for the first time, it was he was just psycho
like how much he talks about it, just being and
in such an intense experience to have caffeine again for
the first time, and he was talking like no caffeine,
like none, that's what I mean. Yeah, I mean, your
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skin would look so incredible if you had no caffeine,
like Lucy Lou Like a lot of these famous actresses
do it. But I don't know how they do that
because they never sleep. They're always flying somewhere and ship.
But I would love to be off it. I actually
was unaware that I had an addiction to it, like
most people do. But I was unaware until I had
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to try and get off it for Ahuaska and um yeah,
I kept. I purposely ran out of coffee and didn't
buy more, and then I would walk to the coffee
shop every day because I was like, I'm losing my mind.
It makes you feel so I remember I did it.
I did a two day or three day break in college.
(01:02:19):
I remember being like I felt like I was in
a fog. I just so like I couldn't think. I
felt like I was two seconds behind everything right right. Yeah,
there is hardcore withdrawals with katheene Um. Well, wow, we
really did get into it with the Phoenix roundation and mcgever.
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I lastly, I want to say I never watched really
mcgever because I'm too extremely young, but I do remember
extremely I do remember. Okay, that doesn't make me super
extremely old, Johnny. You look, we both look really young.
It's crazy if there are any casting directors listening. Um.
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But I do remember Swiss Army Knives being like so
popular as a kid, and that's why, which is crazy.
I didn't know that I used to love my Swiss
Army knife until it cut the ship out at me. Yeah.
They I like that. They have like a nail, a
nail clipper, nail filing. They're hilarious. Okay, Well, the last
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thank you. I just want to thank you so much
for coming on this podcast because I know there's we
could go on for days blab and yap and yea.
We have blabbed and we will continue to blab. Yeah,
we love to blab. But I do have one little
segment left before you leave, and that is fan on
the Street Street, And I'm just wondering do you have
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because you are one of the very first episodes of
this podcast during its incubation, except in period, because you
have done the show multiple times close dear friend of mine.
So I had to get you know, the all stars
in on the ground. Um, And I'm just wondering. Normally
we're going to have fans call in right in with
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their celeb encounters, but for now, I'm asking my guests
until we get that set up, do you, I mean,
you've been working in the movies and TV biz for
a while. I'm wondering, do you have any cool celebrity
encounter story that you wanna you know, give us. God,
celebrity encounter story, I mean, God, I have the best
(01:04:42):
one I have. I can't tell it because it's too
it's kind of like not fair to tell, but I
I have told you about it. It's a I won't
even say. I mean, okay, I don't want to talk
about someone I've worked with because that's just like, yeah,
it's also like it's not really an encounter. That's r
and Cox. Shit. He every time I go on Twitter,
(01:05:03):
it's Brian Cox, you know, logan from Succession saying just
saying something so hardcore about someone you worked with, like
something mean, Yeah, I mean like he talks ship. Yeah,
he fully talks it. He goes, I'm I'm I'm old,
and I'm talented. I can say whatever the funk I want. Well,
(01:05:24):
when I get to that age, I will start. I
got a lot of ship to say, but I'm not
gonna say it now. I will say the first time
I had a celebrity encounter in Los Angeles when I
first moved here was when I went to some I
think it was called Room five. Was on the brain.
I was doing a show. I was going to see
a show, a comedy show, and in walks. Uh. I
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don't know who Teresa Strasser is. She used to be, uh,
the host of the show on TLC called While You
Were Out used to watch. I watched every episode during
one summer in college because it was super hot in Tallahassee, Florida.
And I watched and I saw her walk in, and
it was the first time in my life I was
fully like, oh fuck. Like I was like dumb struck.
(01:06:08):
You know, I couldn't believe that it was actually her,
maybe like less than ten feet away. Was she there
because it was like a restaurant down there. She wasn't
like a super all comedy fan or something. No, I
think she was like this is not an auld show.
This is just like a normal show show. Show is
not at a club, is what I mean. Yeah, this
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was like a little upstairs space. I think she was there.
I think she went on to be on the Adam
Corolla Show or something like that. I think she was
on the radio. This is a long time ago. She
was like the this is when he was on radio,
not podcast. But I saw her and I was just
fucking I couldn't believe it. Wow, that's pretty cool. And
ever since then, I've never been um anytime I meet us,
(01:06:52):
so I treat them like I treated dog. How is that?
Just a little boy? You just ign room until you
have a chance to uh calmly. Oh, I'm never in
my life. I I've always been reversed too cool because
it's crazy. I can't believe the way people act like
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they don't want to be bothered, you know, if they're
like really famous, dude. I was at Star Roast's birthday
last weekend and with Meg Stalter and me and Meg
we were like sitting at the bar having sort of
like a really we were like really into our conversation.
So many people came up and like literally would wedge
(01:07:39):
themselves in between us and be like, I know you
guys are talking, but like it was crazy. I was like,
this would be like if what it would be like
if I dated Chris Evans. I was like, yeah, it
was nuts because I mean, I guess people were We
were at a bar and people were wasted, so they
It's maybe different in the daytime in a more civilized
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depends on where you are, because like different fandoms are
different places sometimes, like some places and we were in
Highland Park, the Mecca Mecca that like some places. It's
you know, it just depends where you are, I supposed,
but yeah, you want to know one of mine, I
have a few good ones. Um, one of mine, I
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was in New York City. I had maybe just moved there,
maybe like a month or two, and my long distance
boyfriend had come to visit one that you know, and um,
we were fighting. We were in a big fight on
the street in front of the Stone Wall in We
(01:08:43):
were like fighting about some bullshit that people in their
early twenties fight about. And we see this guy stop
and get off his bike and look at us, and
he's literally just staring like he's not even trying to
hide it, but he was like studying like he was interested.
He didn't look concerned. He was just like and it
(01:09:05):
was Philip Seymour Hoffman. Wo. Yeah, that's you know what
that is right there? Yes, this is study watching. Yeah,
that's the kid. That's like the ultimate key is just
to watch people doing stuff. That's why New York is
so fucking great. People do ship in the streets all
the time. You love New York so much? I do.
I think it's like I couldn't. You were ready to
(01:09:27):
leave last time you were there? Um was I? Yeah?
Maybe I don't know, Maybe I was ready to leave
hotel life, but I definitely I like. I like it
a lot and I could never live there. I don't think.
When I went back this last time, I was like,
my soul, I mean, I love New York City, I
always will. And it's like it was the best, but
(01:09:48):
it's the best place for comedy in the world, a
million better than But I was like, holy sh it,
my soul has moved on from this place. Like I
need trees, I need sun I need wellness. I'm l
a bitch. Now it's a young person's game. Oh yeah,
or you have to be like some ruthless fashion person
who is just got sunglasses on all the time, walks
(01:10:10):
like they're gonna you know, like the smoke cigarettes, in
a lot of pain, but massive work, especially now too.
I mean there's partly the glory days of New York
that are they're definitely that's just not coming back right.
Oh my god. Well we really did something here, and
I just want to thank you so much for coming
on in the early days of this podcast because we
can't wait to have you back on Lucian and I.
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But I can't wait to see what Lucian digs up. Yeah,
I know, he's so sneaky. He's really good at his job.
It's crazy. I don't know how he finds time for
all the research between the fishing. But fishing, yeah, I
love fishing. He's always fishing, that guy. Um well, thank
you so much Johnny for having me. Blair was appreciated.
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I appreciate my time and enjoyed it. I loved it.
Super cool, super fun the ground floor. Johnny Pemberton, everybody,
thank you so much. Have a great week.
Hi everyone, Welcome back and thanks everyone for listening. Uh,
this has been so fun. I'm loving all your feedback.
Do I have an episode today for you. So exciting
to have on one of my dearest friends. He's so
so funny. You might know him as Bo Thompson from
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Superstore and many other things. He has a very funny podcast,
live to tape, so check out that. It's my dear friend,
Johnny Pemberton, and I love him so much and he
has some upcoming live shows that you should definitely check out.
Tickets are available. Uh, Johnny Pemberton dot dog is his
web is his website. Yeah, he has shows in Houston,
(00:45):
Philly and Nashville coming up, so check out that as
well as his podcast. And this is just such a
fun episode. I can't wait for you guys to hear.
And as for me, I want to let you guys
know again about my big show and l A on Monday,
June six, So coming right up at the Allegian Theater
in l A at seven pm. Ticket links will be
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Dearl and Wilson with your host Blair Saki. Wow, we're
just get in star arted with this podcast, rocking and
rolling after having a live show for five years. Again
based on a letter that I wrote to Owen Wilson.
If you could gather that from the title, this show
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allows your favorite comedians, actors, personalities to have a safe space,
a place to show their fandom of people, their fans of.
It's a lot of fun. Let's get started today on
the show. I have one of my dearest friends, one
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of my favorite people whom I actually sort of became
friends with because I originally had him on this show.
He's been on the show multiple times, a fan favorite,
so excited to have him. One of the funniest people
on the earth. Please welcome Johnny Pemberton. Everybody, Hi, how
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are you doing Johnny, Hi, I'm great Blair. Thank you
for that great introduction. That was just such a great introduction.
It's the truth I do. You are one of my
dearest friends. But I feel that you are a very unique,
funny and talented man. Also, you have many varied interests.
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One of the most uh, really learned people I've ever met,
especially about plants. You know so much about a little bit.
I know a little bit too. To people who actually
know about plants, I don't know ship, but the people who, uh,
people who don't know about plants, I know a lot.
To the layman like myself. I mean, we'll go for
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a hike and you'll be like that and this is
and I'm like, what, how do you know that? Why
do you know that? Well? You know it now too,
I guess if you no, no, if God, I couldn't
even think of one plant to use as an example. Tomato,
Oh yeah, that's not in Griffith's Park. Yeah, it could
be a sandwich or something. Well, I'm so excited to
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hear who you read your letter too, So now if
you want to get started, maybe pop off with that letter, John,
just start off. Yeah, just read it for sure, I'm
sure no, no preamble or anything, no or something. Well,
I guess you know, it's two people. I kind of
wrote it to there's a character and there's a guy.
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This character, there's a there's don't tell us yet. Okay, well,
what do you mean don't tell us anything? All I'm
saying is it's an actor. It's a character. But I
think I think it's more. It's kind of to both people.
That's fine. We just to start reading it. Yeah, read
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it part we go. Some of this is some of
this is actually untrue. I did some fact checking after
I wrote it from my heart and realized it's not
actually true what I wrote. But that's a lot of
things I say on this show aren't true. So you're
in welcome company, okay, Dear mgiver A K. Richard Dean Anderson,
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the original mcgiver, not the new mcgivers, and not the
other spinoffs. How is Canada that's where you live? I
really like your hair. Later on people would call the mullet,
but don't listen to them. It's something different and it's better.
I think you're a cool, friendly guy who is super
smart but also doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. I
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love that it's so cool when you're playing hockey without
a helmet and you skate up to the camera and smile,
it's a hot look. The only thing hotter is when
a guy has on shoes, pants and no shirt and
any kind of hat. I'm not sure why that looks
so cool. It was like a soldier in the military
in Vietnam, like Robert Duval in apoc ups Now, please,
says Charlie, don't serve. I think you maybe did this
(06:05):
look on your show at some point, I don't really remember.
My favorite thing about you, about your life is all
your friends. This is mcgever. You have such an interesting
variety of friends. Pete Thornton, who works at the Phoenix Foundation,
is the best. You get the benefits of a dude
who has corporate connections without having to work there yourself.
I'm sure he feels the same way about you, but
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the other way around. And there's your buddy Jack Dalton,
who's a pilot and he has a mustache. He flies
planes and he has a mustache. You don't have to
do either of those. Also, he is okay with shooting guns,
so you can stay a pacifist. I want to thank
you mcgever. Thank you for being there for me as
a child, teaching me about the existing, the exciting ways
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of the pacifist. Even though I would eventually go on
to shoot guns at an outdoor range with a friend
in Texas a few times and really like it, but
I still feel like we should avoid violence at all costs.
How come you never had a girlfriend in the show,
or maybe I just don't remember. Your insistence on using
a Swiss army knife instead of a gun was super cool.
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I eventually got a Swiss army knife and cut my
hand open using it wrong, and I would eventually learn
that Swiss army knife is actually a kind of sucks
as a knife, and then as a fully independent adult
man that would go on to collect way too many knives.
I think this is probably some sort of a masculine
replacement for my narrow shoulders and voice that gets mistaken
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for a woman on literally every single phone call with
a stranger I've ever had. I'm sorry I stopped watching
your show once I became a teen, and sorry I
didn't seek it out when I was older, when the
Internet made pretty much any form of nostalgia immediately available.
I did, however, tell my friend in college who introduced
me to David Lynch. My friend Garrison that I loved
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your show, and he said that he hated that show
and it sucked, and that whenever that theme song came on,
it would pick him off. And I think maybe this
made me cry. Later on, I was by myself because
I was so offended. Uh, if you were here to
say this to me today, I definitely would not cry.
And that's probably because I've learned to accept others opinions
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and that when someone ships on something you love, it's
just because they hate themselves. Thank you mcgiver. And I'm
sorry you've gained so much weight, but you still look
the same as you did twenty years ago, just you know, puffier,
and maybe you've since lost weight. But I refused to
check up on you as I'm scared you may have
become under the influence of the former president or some
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other folks on that area of the right. And even
if you are, I mean you probably aren't. But even
if you are, understand it because you taught acceptance and
not condemnation of others. But who knows. Ship gets murky
and people get old. Love you, mcgever, Love Johnny Pemberton,
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Oh my god, Johnny. Wow, Wow, there was so much
in that letter. Wow, it was really heartfelt. You really
put a lot into it. It's important character. Well, fuck Garrison,
Hush on your guy. He's good. This is a long
time ago. You know, we're still friends. He also introduced
(09:18):
me to so much good stuff. I owe him a
huge debt, right, but people change, people evolve. Yeah, he
probably wouldn't say that now, but it's still funny. Yeah,
um god, and I do like that. You're like afraid
maybe that he might have gone potentially right wing even
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though he was like the face of the anti gun movement. Yeah.
I think there's a lot of guys like that now.
Who you just it's tough because a lot of stuff
that they believed in is similar to the stuff that
some of those some of those guys believe in now.
It's that that weird thing where there's like, Sobo needs
to make like a big VENN diagram of this and sections,
(10:00):
and maybe you, maybe you will be the guy to
make the big ven diagram. That's definitely what I should
do with my time and him the diagram of aging
political interests. When you're not um working extensively in your
impressive garden one of the most impressive gardens I've ever
seen than Yeah. Um, okay, Johnny, let's get into this
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hitting interview. Okay, ding ding ding ding, Okay, Johnny, if
you love mcgever so much, why don't you have a mullet? Um.
I kind of had a little bit of a moment
at one point, didn't really, Yeah, wasn't mcgever influence would
you say? Oh? Yeah, I mean all mullet influences directly
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from a dieiver for me, right for you, for you,
and not hockey players, just mcguiver. Well, I think that
actually mcgever was a hockey player. I don't think I
know you was. They show him in the pilot and
on the pilot, but in the intro of the show
he's on skates, as I mentioned in my letter, no helmet,
no helmet, and he has on he's got hockey here,
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And so I think the mullet he's Canadian, right, So
Canadians are all hockey players essentially by Brent. So I
think maybe the mullet is kind of like which came first,
the mullet or hockey here. I don't know, maybe it's
the same thing. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, you know you
said no helmet and remarkable. It made me think one
of my childhood friends I played volleyball with Ding Ding
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Um her father was Rond Gay is Rond Gay and
he was the famous for not wearing a helmet in
the NHL. That. Yeah, he had a sick mullet too.
I think he still probably has it. But um, yeah, okay,
so Canadian hockey player mg so mcgover just went by
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mc iver, which is like a pretty hardcore move. Have
you ever thought about just shortening your name to Johnny? Um? No,
but I thought about maybe going like totally different. It
seems to work for some people having the one name.
I think if I was just Johnny that would be
too There's too many other Johnnies out there. So you
have a pretty cool last name too. Yeah, it's I
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forget that it's like not a normal last name, but
in my mind it sounds like anything else, so it's
distinct as hell. What do you have to do? Do
you think to have a mononymous name? Mononymous besides you
the rock star prince and you have to have a
what's it called the stage mom or stage dad, stage parents?
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Who have you never had one of those? No? I
think you have to be like, like, Zendia probably has
a mom or dad who it's age six, was like,
we're going with Zandia hard. They just made a choice
like that when they were young. I saw her head
shot in a Jamaican restaurant I go to, and it
must be like a twenty year old head shot, Like
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really it's she's like she's a child, like a little baby,
and says to die on it. So her parents threw
it up. That's what made you think of it? Yeah,
they Well, they definitely did it because she was She
wasn't that by herself. It's so funny to think about
how head shops get up in restaurants because one time
in New York when I used to live there, Uh,
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we always used to go to this place in Chinatown
who that called WOA hop that stayed open super late.
And one time we went and Greta brought her own
head shot and put it up on the wall there,
and that was before she was even on TV. Sign it.
Yeah she did, and she had it framed and she
put it on the wall. There's a really cool move. Um.
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All right. Well, so in the last season of mg Iver,
it's revealed that mcgiver's real name is Angus. Uh do you, Johnny,
also have a secret name. I didn't know that. Yeah,
I did not know the Angus Angus name. Look, that's
all that Lucien Wiggles, my private detective told me. He
just said Angus. I don't have a secret name. I mean,
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I just like go by Kevin, or I'll go by
Jason just for fun. Oh yeah, I do know if
your alias Jason, No, not Jason, Kevin tip Corn. Kevin
tip Corn all say I'm Kevin tip Corn a lot
and Dicker Troy, Dicker Troy. But that's a whole other thing. Yeah,
well I love Decker Troy too. Dick Retroy is one
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of the first characters I ever saw of yours. Yeah,
it was good. It's a good character. The truck driver
he's not truck driver, he's a transpo captain. It's oh
my god. I always get that wrong. Okay, everybody does.
But Dicker loves to correct people, so it's okay, it
works true. I have to win win, Okay, Johnny, would
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you say that you are the mcgiver of Burbank? You
just docks me? Um, Yeah, that's one thing I love
to do on this show is docks. My guests, great,
I don't think I am. Now there's got to be
so many people here who are Willy more mcgiversh than me.
I real, Yeah, there's so many people who are like
used to work in a secret airplane projects and and
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Burbank like it's skunk works, like this top secret, top
secret air Force project. Oh my god, I love top
secret ship. There's in Burbank, California. To Burbank Airport. There
used to be this thing called skunk Works. It was
I think it was during World War two or something.
It was like this top secret lab that developed all
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kinds of kind of like what I don't know was weaponry.
I think it was a lot of airplane stuff. But
it's a tar nation. Yeah, just sitting So I think
a lot of people who live in Burbank are either
descending from or are old like, uh, you know rocket
scientists literally rocket scientists that are up to clandestine ship
(15:48):
just over there in Burbank. Wow. At some point, I'm
not sure anymore if you're doing that. But you know
what's funny is that knowing you a little bit now
I can see am diver in and so for real,
like you do like doing ship with your hands. You
like to be out in the nature. You like a truck,
You like a yeah, yourr backyard. The type of thing
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mcgiver's whole thing was was taking something and making something
different out of it. Like if he has like a
a paper clip and a bottle of tail and all,
and like a rock, he would make like a some
sort of a trip wire explosion thing out of it.
He was like, that was his whole thing. It's like
taking stuff and making it useful. So I think that
to me is always interesting, like the idea you can
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you don't need anything, You just need what you have. Wow,
that is a sole lesson right there. It's all within us. Yeah,
we have everything we need. Lucien Wiggles told me that
mcgiver always had a roll of duct tape in his pocket.
And I said, Lucian, how did he have a roll
of duct tape in his pocket? And he said, Blair,
(16:55):
it was a flattened roll of duct tape. I said,
how do you have a flattened roll of duct tape?
Lou Shin, you have the chorus cardboard and you can
squish it when it's thin enough. Wow, you know a
full size roll of duct tape is so heavy that
it has a really heavy weight to it. Like I
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think that you could cause a head trauma with a
full tape of duct tape. Yeah, or at least you
would get taken away. We're getting on an airplane, right, yes, okay,
I'm moving on the Lucian told me that after watching
mcgever you got so jacked up that you punched your
medical school teacher in the face in Minnesota. Is that true?
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I mean, I don't know if what's the statue of
limitations on this. I don't quite know. I could ask Lucian,
but if it's not up, but we shouldn't talk about it.
Ending case Becau's now it's gone to civil has a
civil case. Yeah, I don't know how that works exactly.
Not a lawyer, a man of many talents, but are
(18:02):
not a man of the law. They say, Okay, well,
you know what, we don't need to answer that one,
because I'm not trying to get any of my dear
friends and guests of the Dear Own Wilson podcast in
any legal trouble. Thank you. I appreciate it very much, Yeah,
no problem. Appreciate Lucien can sometimes be a little thorough
and sometimes my guests are like a quit alucion, you know.
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But anyways, yeah, I guess I don't know if Lucien
fucking lied, Um, just digging away. You shouldn't be digging. Yeah,
but I was like, Lucien, did you fucking lie? Because
you know, uh, it would be weird if Johnny was
influenced by a mcgeiver, a man who choose guns and
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violence and then punched punches a middle school teacher in
the face. It didn't quite add up. So yeah, it doesn't.
It's not it's not true. So oh, okay, well that's
a dear own Wilson exclusive. Everybody, it's not true Wilson exclusive. Okay.
Mcgiver is considered an anti hero god knows why, I
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don't know. And he's also has a genius level i
Q And you know you you do like to talk
about i Q sometimes, But do you consider yourself the
anti hero of your family? And do you also have
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a genius level i Q? I don't know who my
que is. I know that, um, my sisters in mensa,
so I'm not as smart as her. Oh really, your
sister's in mensa? Yeah, what's her name? Her name's Lauren.
Shout out to Lauren Laura Wilson MENSA member. So I'm
I'm probably not smart as her. But also I've never
taken the MENSA test. But also I don't want to
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because if I don't get in, then I'll know, Oh sure, sure,
I don't. I don't know. What was the question about,
Are you the anti hero of your family? I guess so,
I don't know. A lot of comedians are the anti
heroes of their family. I think I guess I am.
But it's not like a thing where, you know, I
don't have one of those families that can't they can't
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believe I'm doing comedy or hates it. You know. It's
like my family, Yeah, well they they have just one
friend of mine. He told me something about what his mom.
He's a very successful comedian, writer and stuff. His mom
was like, how come you did this thing? It's so
it's so stupid, and it's she's she was talking about
something that was like a successful network product. It's like
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that ship's crazy. I don't have that going on, so right,
but they're all like, oh, that wildly Johnny. That's what
I guess. So I'm not even sure I don't think.
I don't think about it too much. I try to.
That's very healthy. I suppose maybe it's maybe it's not.
I don't know, it could be. It depends on how
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you look at it, right, and reason in life is
depends on how you look at it. It's all about perspective.
That's true. Okay. So Johnny mcgiver is known for his
preference for non lethal solutions to conflicts. Yeah, you can
tell this is in the past. Fox, don't see much
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of that culture today. If you were in a situation
that required a non lethal solution, such as being a
bystander during a hardcore robbery, what would you do? Please
describe in detail? And uh, I don't have any more
context for this situation. See, I was just about to
ask for some context because I know you. Okay, a
hardcore robbery. Let's just say it's a bank right, it's
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a bank robbery. Well, I'm not going to care about
that because they're insured. So the bankruppers, there's no reason
FRAMEWI get hurts, let him stick, steal the money. It
was like a mom and pop shop, which say it's
a mom and pop, right, a mom and pop. The
last mom and pop I'm in there buying a sixer
of something Canadian and old, and it's getting robbed at
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gunpoint by somebody. I think what I would do is
probably find a way to chew all the bubble gum.
It's bubble to me quietly and make a massive ball
of bubble gum and hurl it at the the robber
and get them all gummed up. Oh my god, you're
gonna gum their asses. Then you're gonna gum their asses
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and save the mom and pop shop and pop Yeah,
and you know, uh, well that's a genius answer. If
I ever heard like so Menta should be calling soon, folks.
But I would say, yeah, you know, we could also
have considered throwing the role of duct tape. But if
it's flat, I don't think it has the same um,
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the same heft density. Yeah, heft a theft um. Alright, Wow, okay,
you'd gun the robbers. I was pretty good. I wouldn't
have thought of that. I also think that gumming is
like using gum is the cheapest oldest trick in terms
of like, oh, let's use this or that or the
gum wrapper. Using the foil of a gum wrapper to
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make a circuit connect. That's the old classic one that
everyone does. WHOA, that's really good. That was that was
obvious though. Yeah, I I like that one. You know,
I like some classics though. I think the old banana
peel slip on the banana bill. Yeah, that's gonna that's
gonna light up if you a robber or two. That's
a classic eighties nineties trick. Do you do you want
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to tell the listeners what eighties nineties means to you?
Or do you want to keep that secret? I think
it should it as a double nice double on toon there. Okay,
all right, sure you know. Sorry audience, you are my family,
but you don't get to know everything. That's that's yeah.
Maybe we'll be able to use context clues to know
what Johnny means by eighties nineties. Okay, So mcgiver's first
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name actually originally intended to be Stacy according to Paramount. Yes, yes,
I know it was supposed to be Stacy. I just
want to know what did you name your firstborn Stacy
in tribute to mcgiver or are you not a real fan? Oh? Wow,
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I love that. I love to have to choose these
two options. This is like what's it called witness coercion
or something like that when you only have one answer
like did you did you did you love your son?
Or did you feel the need to murder him? Is there?
What do you mean? Can't I know you? Were you
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the perfect father? Or did you seek to murder? Yeah?
I actually hate those would you rather? They're really that
people ask They're like, uh, asking ways to die and
they're all wretched. But I am an extremely shrewd interviewer,
as everybody knows, so I do have to ask the
heart hitting questions because I have a responsibility to my
listeners worldwide. I would name Stacy. I think any kind
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of uh, one of those names like Joe or Kelly
that goes both ways. It's like a gender bender name.
I like those names gender benet like Blair. Blair's a
gender bender Stacy. What else is gender bender? I mean,
Joe is the fun one because that's like, yeah, from
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Little Women, Because I was like, whose name Joe Joey
Potter from Dawson's Creek. I thought that was the coolest name,
Joey Potter. It is a cool name. But names Kelly,
like I'm Kelly Slater. Oh yeah, Kelly Slater broke open
the name Kelly for men everywhere. Yeah, I don't look,
I don't know that Kelly can really work for everyone.
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Of course it works for him because he's the man.
I met him once and I was like the star
wattage was, Yeah, of course I did met every pro
surfer like, yeah, somebody tough birthday party just ran. I
wish he was at my twelfth birthday party. That was
when I still served, But no, he was like dear
friends with a friend of mine. So I did get
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to meet him. It was thrilling, thrilling, very tan Kelly Slater.
Oh yeah, he's like a butterball turkey. Yeah, he just
spends a lot of time out there in the waves.
Have you had the term sun fucked? No, but I
can use context clues. I think that's a surfer term.
They say people you know who are just like blasted.
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You say those old dudes and like their fifties or
sixties who are shirtless, wearing like the oldest pair of
cargo pants ever, sitting in a lawn chair, just soun
fucked all hell right, like red and brown. That's actually
I'm comfortable saying this because I know he's not listening.
But that is actually how Lucian looks, because well, you
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know the story about how I met him in the
current river. But he loves to sit out there on
his chair, just fishing, and he looks inclusively wears cargo shorts,
but he does get sun blasted. Really, he looks like
he spends a lot of time out there. And I
sometimes say, Lucien, Lucien wiggles, like, how about you try
on some sunscreen, it would be good for you, but
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he says, Nah, that's for knuckleheads. That's what he always says.
Ye do this part? Do I just make this podcast
explicit by saying all these F bombs? Oh? No, I
love f bombs. I love feel free. Sometimes people be like, oh,
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can you swear in the podcast? Yeah? I never asked that,
and I should, but I love to swear. It's one
of life's greatest pleasures. I hate when people try to
make it a moral issue. I feel like they're not fun.
I want to start a podcast called no Swearing. You're
a little contraryan Johnny Pemberg Johnny Stacy Pemberton is a
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little contrary and no swearing just as a fun challenge, right, alright,
Life is challenging enough, Okay. Mcgever is apparently an ally
for social and environmental causes. During some vineyard worker strikes,
he assisted the Latino protesters against the evil vineyard donors.
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He also filled in as a big brother for a
program that helped delinquent youths. Mcgever also conducted hearing research
at a school for deaf children. On top of that,
mcgever tries to protect endangered species like eagles, the black rhino,
and also wolves. Plus he's a vegetarian. What do you
consider mcgever a fucking snowflake? Oh, the opposite. Mcgever is
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the original. He's the proto, the progenitor of all. I
hate to say, I don't want to say it, but
social finding justice and social causes. That's real. Because he's
a badass. He used to do all concert ship. He
would he would it himself and so much danger all
the time to stand up for the people who are
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being exploited or taking advantage of. And pretty much every
episode was about some some type of exploitation, either by
the government or the man or trying to enterprise. And
uh yeah he was. I mean, I think that's probably
what got me into that stuff way back when was
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just being like, man, this is these people are all crooks, Like,
yeah he was what was what was the question? Oh?
Was he a fucking snowflake? But it is an impressive,
very impressive resume. If I've ever seen one hardcore do
good or I think he probably had something bad happened
when his past. You know how a lot of people
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like that, they had something crazy, funked up happening to them,
and so it's kind of realigned their moral compass in
a way where they felt like they had to be
self effacing and do stuff for others because of something
like something happened, what it was something? It was just
like comedians, except where they never get to the part
of doing stuff for others. It's just the opposite. It
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just so the distills their ego to this, this brilliant,
breakable crystal. Something terrible happened to them in their past,
and then they went on to do this to get
into this nightmare business, the thing that makes the least
sense of any job to ever exist. Do you like
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being a comedian, Johnny? I do when I do. M hmm, yeah,
I think it's I like it when I like it. Yeah,
I literally unique comedian. I've never seen a comedian like
you on stage. I always see pictures like still, because
you know, every comedy show now is photographed. It's like,
it's my living nightmare. If you're listening to this. No
(30:49):
offense photographers, but it is my right. I reserve the
right to look like shit. Yeah, it's just I started
comedy before that was the thing before that was everyone
and their mother had a DSLR and showed up with
the telephoto lens to take pictures of something that's basically
not even an event. There's like twenty people there and
there's two D photos of what happened. But some of
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these pictures I see it myself. I think I don't
remember doing that. I don't remember I look like I'm
look I'm exhausted, right like I would be exhausted after
what I did. I'm making too many facial expressions. Um,
you know you can never make But you know, we
all are are so hard on ourselves, and it is because, um,
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we have been socialized to think that some sort of
hotness is the only currency in this world, when in reality,
we are all you know, worthy and enough just as
we are. Uh now yeah, but now we have built this.
We've been deeply poisoned to think that our worth comes
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from being hot, which is wildly uninteresting. You know. I
wonder who did that too. I wonder who's done that.
Who's responsible for that? I don't know, but they've ruined society.
I think it's some of the people who mcgiver has
rallied against. I bet mcgiver would have a campaign against
you know, social media for children. Oh yeah, absolutely hardcore
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hope and all those like filters, all the beauty filters
and stuff, those are those are bad? Do you ever
use a filter, Johnny Johnny Stacy? No, I mean, I
guess I have used Instagram filters, but I've never used
any of the ones that are Um, Like I said,
I'm just don't care that much and I think I'm
just old enough to where it's not interesting. I love
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a filter. I'll throw one on, no problem. Um what
kind of filter you talking about? Talking about? Like a
just to filter, like like a camera filter, or like
a thing that changes your appearance. Instagram filter. Some of them,
they're fun, They like make you look extremely hot, you know, Okay,
I'm talking more like the ones that give you, like, uh,
the change you know the ones that do stuff that's
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kind of unnatural. Oh yeah, stuff that adds stuff, not
just like a filter. What do they call that, the
one that like makes your face look um face tune, Yes, Sonny,
thinking of that stuff where it makes you look more
like a Kardashian. Sure, I don't even know how to
take Like a lot of my friends know all these
tricks for how to take hot picks, like angles and
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light and all the I have no idea any of it,
and it would be helpful for me to learn, but
I'm brain dead anyways. Okay, mcgiver seems to drive a
lot of jeeps, Pal, how do you Johnny feel about jeeps? Uh,
if you were mcgiver, won't would you be your preferred vehicle?
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Or what if you the Creed truck you have? Now? Well, um,
I think I like the jeep because the cheap. I
think mcgiver does that because it's easy to fix a jeep.
It's easy to repair, so like yeah, they're com oh yeah,
because they're like designed, like those old jeeps are designed
to be able to be fixed by like a mechanic
(34:11):
who just is in the army, you know, like someone
who's not this person but someone who knows basic mechanical stuff,
so they can they can fix them in the fields
or maybe eighties nineties, maybe like a eighties nineties, No exactly.
I think they're designed to be you can get at
the engine easy, you can fix stuff with the parts.
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Are um just they're supposed to be easy to fix,
I think, so you can prepare them in the field,
whereas like you drive like a Lexus or a Maserati,
you can't fix it at all. Would you ever drive
a Maserati, Johnny, I would drive it into a pole? Yeah? Really, Yeah,
there you feel that much of a passion to I
think they're maybe the worst cars ever made. They they
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lose value faster than any car that's ever been made.
You when you drive them off the law, But Moserriti
loses it fastest and the most because there are pieces
of trash designed by idiots. Of how hard you go
on these arbitrary things. Well, I just I like cars
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a lot. I've always loved cars every since I was
a little kid. My dad was a big car guy, really,
and so was my mom's dad, my grandpa, my grandpa
was too. Yeah, So I just grew up around car
stuff and Uh, that's just something where people always talk
about if you see someone driving a Maserati there, it's
just like a new money status thing. It's like an
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actual decent car at all. It's a piece of trash,
new money statising. My grandpa also he used to restore
old cars, and he restored this vintage mint green Porsche.
It was really cool. Old old those are the best.
The Porsches are the ultimate. I mean, it really is
the ultimate car. Yeah. I think if I get rich,
(35:58):
which I planned to God willing um if I was,
I'm not a car guy at all in any way,
shape or form. I do not care in any way,
but if I did, I would get a motherfucking Bush.
I would love to get an old one or one
of those. Like. I also love those convertible like eighties
(36:18):
nineties Mercedes. Oh yeah, those are great though body style
before they came back, when they were still a true Mercedes.
You could drive him through. You could drive them through
like a a furniture warehouse. And they no dns really
because they look like little tin cans that was scrunched up.
Get pull over ice. Do you talking about like an
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s L those tiny little convertible ones that are so cute.
I mean, it depends what era I suppose. If I
mean a small car is a small car. But if
it's the older the Mercedes, the heavier they're built, I
think there's a lot more steel in the car. There's
a lot of stuff that they don't have now. Cars
of all cars are just I don't know, especially as well.
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One thing I never knew about you was your deep
disdain for Maserati's. So you do have a truck that
is very important to you and I want to know, well,
it's it brings you joy in your life. I think
that anyone who knows you would say that it does
bring you joy and it is also um, there is
(37:23):
something you you like the band Creed. I have a
relationship with the band crea I wouldn't say I liked them.
I feel like there's like a sort of part of
my life in terms of a long running, like twenty
year old joke. Oh okay, So do you think that
McGivern would like the band Creed? Who? I bet he
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wouldn't because you're a little bit too new. He'd probably
more into like older stuff. Oh, probably stuff it's not
that great, probably like Moody Blues, and stuff like that,
moody blues, you know what I mean, just kind of
like generic state fair rock. Oh, I think I like that.
I like a lot of music that I think other
people do not. Is what's come to my attention, Like,
(38:04):
what what do you think people don't like that you like? Well,
I really like pop music and I like, uh, but
you realize that pop music is literally what people like. Yeah, sure, no,
that's what Oh trust me pow. That's my main defense.
Anytimes one of my art art culture hipster friends tries
to shoot on it, I'm like, actually, you're the minority bitch.
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That's why I say you're the minority bitch. I always
said that to you too. Yeah, okay, anyway, So mcgeyther
is proficient in Russian, German, I forgot, Italian, Spanish, and
American sign language, knows how to use international maritime signal
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flags and Morse code. Oh my god, do you speak?
And do you think that mcgover was simply being hunted
down by the app dual lingo? Um? Okay, I'm gonna
start with the backside of that question. No, I don't
think he has been hunted down by due lingo. Why
don't you think that it makes a lot of sense.
(39:16):
I thought that you are open to some sort of
some conspiracy theories, but not all well, Lucian thought that
maybe there could be a connection there, because it's his
job to put things together to make sense, like a puzzle.
So like they have like mc Iver in some sort
of saltwater tank at body temperature, harvesting his brain to
(39:37):
teach people language something like that, or that he was
being forced to know every language, or like they would
kill him or something. I don't know. Um I can
either confirm nor deny. But as far as languages, I
know a little Italian, I know a little bit more French,
and I know a little Spanish. And that's about it.
(40:00):
You know so much weird ship, it's crazy. I just
took French in school for like six years. I took
a semester of Italian in college. And Spanish I know
from just listening to Spanish music and trying to learn
Spanish on my own. Ha ha ha. That's the only
French Chinas from Keenan Thompson on all that. Do you
(40:21):
remember that I thought Keenan Thompson when I was a
kid on all that, I was like, this is the
funniest man I've ever seen. I still think he's so funny.
He taught me French. Anyways. Okay, so mcgever is known
according to Lucian uh Lucian Wiggles, my private investigator, mcgever
(40:44):
is known to show flashes of intense anger when his father,
who disappeared from his life at the age of ten,
is mentioned in your humble opinion? Should mcgiver have focused
more on dealing with his motherfucking daddy issues in therapy
(41:05):
instead of learning seventy five languages? I think that he
probably did both, and that maybe where he was in life,
therapy wasn't available to him. And you know what, as
a person who's been to therapy enough for a long time,
I think that probably if I had done stuff like
mcgiver instead of going to therapy, I'd be better off.
(41:27):
I think therapy is kind of a joke at some
point because there's only so much I can tell the
same person and have them help me. I mean, how
many times can you tell one person the same thing? Right? So,
I do know what you're saying about talk therapy, because
while some for some people therapy, especially when they first go,
if they're not you know well versed in this sort
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of thing. It's just like mind exploding and like the
most important thing they've ever done. But if you have
done a lot of therapy and you're interested in psychology
and you know uh self reflection and all of that,
like there is something to what you're saying about. You
can only intellectualize something so much. Like especially also, you
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can talk about something traumatic over and over without feeling
any of it, so you're not actually moving through the
trauma without actually because you have to feel all the
feelings to get it out of your body. I also
think that when you're talking, when you're talking to a therapist,
it's this thing where it's like a lot of times
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I prepare for a therapy and thinking like what am
I going to talk about, and in the preparation of it,
I solved the problem. Oh that's cool, Johns. I'm thinking about,
like why am I feeling this way? And I'm talking
it out to myself from writing about it, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
it's because of this, And it becomes so therapy session
a lot of times since I'd be being me telling
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the therapist what I figured out, and he just going
that makes sense. What they say. They say that like,
you know, because most of the therapists, especially the ones
that aren't that great, that don't like push you to
your edge, like they always say that you figure it
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out by listening to yourself talk. Yeah, it's that thing.
Someone I saw something recently about. Uh, this is interesting.
That goes to the language thing. How In a lot
of romance languages like Spanish and I think maybe German
or French. You know, we're gonna say I feel like
someone hates me, or I feel like they don't like
my car. But in those other languages like Spanish, I
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just was trying to trying to sew it all up here. Okay,
I feel like they don't like my mother, I feel
don't like my mass Erratic and Spanish and some other language,
I think, some other European language. Maybe it's German, maybe
it's a romance language. They the wording for it isn't feel,
it's I think. And so there's something about that that
changes the nature of the way you say the thing,
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because when we say I feel fal that that is uh,
it's not true because we don't we can't feel like
someone doesn't like us because we don't know that so
if you say I think they don't like me, you
have to provide evidence as to why, But you don't
have to provide evidence for how you feel because it's
a feeling. But really you have this thought that's definitely
(44:19):
not true. Like I think that if I said, if
you said I think they don't like me, someone would say, well,
why do you think that, And you'd be like, well, um,
I guess you're right. They just weren't a hurry and
it wasn't because of what I did. But if you
say I feel that's you know, I mean, it's a
different things in the semantics of it. Sure, I go
back and forth with this because like a lot of
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ship we do just take personally inherently that is a
reactionary from our own wounds. And but you know, and
a lot of times it's like, oh, yeah, like that
person wasn't a hurry. It had nothing to do with me.
They weren't even thinking about me at all. But then,
on the other hand, most communication is non verbal, and
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a lot of times you can just feel energetically when
someone doesn't like you, like you know, you can feel that,
or you can feel when someone does like you also
like you feel at ease. But I guess it can
be circumstantial still, where like you can feel someone is disinterested,
but they could be just preoccupied or what. Yeah, then
(45:26):
I guess it just goes back to the whole thing.
We have to just be Oh, it doesn't matter because
right that's what I'm really working on. And I think
you have to even develop it even more if you
plan to do anything in the public eye, because you
get you receive more criticism than the average person. Yeah,
(45:47):
it's imp Yeah, we're all trying to develop inner safety.
Just like the diver protect the ego. M M. You
gotta protect it, right when really the ego is just
trying to protect dust. But you know, sometimes it needs
to shut his mouth. It does. You have to pick,
you have to pick your battles because you do have
to protect it to some extent. It's important to protect.
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Like I always think about that, always forget sometimes it's like, oh,
maybe I don't need to do this thing that's gonna
be injurious to me. Injurious you know what I mean.
It's gonna be a thing where it's gonna be I'm
gonna be thinking about it a bonch and feel weird
about the situation, like why do that when I can
just not do it and have enjoy everything so much more.
(46:30):
It's like going it's like swimming up stream, Like why
would you swim up stream? There's no point, There is
no point. Okay, Uh, you're right, Johnny, Okay, so you
(46:50):
you're ending. Conclusionary answer is that mcgiver did not need
to go to therapy to work on his daddy issues.
He did spend his time correctly by learning all those languages.
He also had a lot of good friends who helped
them significantly. Right, I think that's really good. And you know,
I think are the quality of our life is determined
(47:11):
by the quality of our relationships. Yeah. His friend Pete
Thornton was someone who I always thought was such such
a great friend to him. Was so nice to watch
them be friends because they're very different people. That's the
thing I like the most about friendship stuff is having
I don't think I like to be friends with anyone
who's really similar to me. I feel like, I like,
uh that makes sense. Yeah, it's so boring. Yeah, we
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have I feel like we have like a lot of
character friends that are all well, really different, like a
little collect I got a collection. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
I like my collection. Yeah, I like it too. Um
good good friends, all very different people. Uh so Johnny mcgever.
According to Lucian Wiggles, mcgever is quoted as saying, it's
(47:57):
no fun if it's too easy. Do you also prefer
a very difficult life? Yeah? Actually yeah, Holy sh it,
it's so funny. I didn't all this stuff. I totally forgot.
But it's crazy how much I agree with that. Yeah,
I fucking I totally agree with that, even though I
literally just said, what's the point of swimming upstream? But
(48:19):
you can both ideas. Yeah, I think there's a I
think you gotta uh, there's no point in seeking confrontation
or just getting something because it's difficult to get. But
I also think that the idea of things being challenging
is so much more interesting. Like any time I've had
restrictions placed on me for something creative, it's I love.
It's so much more. It's just so much Yeah, I
(48:42):
love it. That's so hard, but it's not hard. It's
like the opposite because it gives you. It's the whole
necessity is the mother of invention type thing where I
wouldn't do it if I didn't have a thing that
was Yeah, they have. The boundaries helped so significantly. I
think that's a big problem with a lot of Uh,
I mean, I don't know. For me, I have problems
(49:03):
with that now. Is when you can do anything, it's
hard to do it. When you can do everything, it's
hard to do anything. Sure, sure that I get what
you're saying, especially like so much of our attention span
is so depleted with social media and all this stuff
instead of just being where we are, And like, that's
why I want my brain to go back to when
I was a kid and I would experience boredom because
(49:25):
then you get ideas and it's supposed to be I mean,
we can talk with us forever. But there's so much,
so much information coming out now about how much boredom
helps you, helps your brain and how it's it's just
one of my new favorite words to say. I'll probably
say it wrong, but it's it's deleterious, exclusive, deleterious. I
(49:48):
just love you when that word sounds. It's it's deleterious.
The amount of boredom that we are not subject to. Well,
also when you don't have any free time because it's
seemingly being taken up and by all this bullshit social media.
You don't even have the space to find the emptiness
that spurs on to drive to start some big creative project.
(50:11):
Yeah what you said, the best is seems because it's
totally not real. It's all it's a manufactured It's like
a thing where I always think on their day, like,
I don't know how long it's been since I didn't
go a day without checking my email, right, wouldn't that
be great just to literally not check it for like
two days. I enjoy checking my email because I always think, oh, someone,
(50:35):
some incredible like Martin Scorsese is going to email me
and be like, Blair, I just procured your email off
your website and I had to email you to ask
you personally myself if you a star in my next movie.
So I do like email because I always think there's
going to be like a miracle job show up in there.
(50:55):
But the rest I don't like social media. Everybody knows
that I want to event really be off like Bill Murray,
Oh my god, yeah, I mean when I'm successful enough.
Well that that's a big question though, is what is
that line? I don't know it's different now. The line
is it's been, it's changed. Yeah, I mean there is
a thing in this business, especially where the goal post
(51:17):
is always moving. Like I remember all these things when
I was younger, like that I now went on to
do that I thought were such a big deal. God, Like,
you do them and you don't feel any different the
next day. In fact, you like forget that even happened,
but depressed again because you just had this thing. It's
(51:38):
like you've been the thing you were dreading or or
maybe looking forward to, or a combination of it happens
and then afterwards you have nothing to do or seeking
with desperation, like like you wanted it so bad, like
you wanted I don't want like that anymore, like, which
I think is very healthy, because it's like living in
(52:02):
a constant state of lack, which is just not a
good use of our minutes being alive on earth. Now.
I want things, but like I want them like a
loose garment, you know, just I want them loosely. I
don't need them, you know, yeah, you definitely don't need them,
that's for sure. Yeah. Okay, So I want to know, Johnny,
(52:22):
how do you feel about the after Richard Dean Anderson.
Do you think about him much? Like, did he go
on to do any other projects? Because Lucian didn't tell me.
I don't know. Actually, I think he's down up a
couple of things. But I looked up a picture. I
saw a paparazzi picture of him from like two thousand
and seventeen, and he's pretty chubby, and he's shopping at
(52:43):
a grocery store in Malibu and he's kind of being
like nice to the camera, like, hey, you know what,
you guys could have just seen the face that Johnny made.
I'm happy he lives in Malibu because Malibu is a
truly dreamy place. Uh. You know, as many of you know,
I did grow up on some of the most fabulous
beaches of Orange County, California. But now that I live
(53:06):
in Los Angeles, I live on the East Side. It
takes many hours to get to Malibu. But when I
get there, I think, Wow, this place is really beautiful.
It's really special. It's great. It's a great place to
wreck a Porsche. Yes to Caitlyn Jenner some ship over there. Yeah,
I don't know what Richard Tinason is up to. I'm
sure I don't know I have no idea. Really I
(53:27):
should check in, but like I said, I'm a little scared.
But maybe after this I can ask Lucian to do
some research. Yeah, I mean, he's got to be doing something.
I don't know. It wouldn't take that much, but if
he's like really into painting in his retirement, like George Bush, god,
I could see that. I could see him doing just
(53:47):
about anything right, because he feels even though it's a
character he played, he played it for so long. And
I always think that anyone who plays a character, that
you can't play a character well without having a big
piece of that being you. It's like the whole Kevin
Spacey thing. You know, Oh my god, that's the scariest
(54:08):
creepiest shot I've ever seen. When I saw those Kevin
Spacey videos, I was like, this man is not tied
to Earth. He is fully living in a different galaxy.
But he's he played that character so well because he's
like he's like a I mean, there's stories of him.
He used to impersonate Johnny Carson's son to get free
tickets places they do all the time. So he's like
(54:31):
he's always been kind of a creepy scammer guy. And
the fact that he played that character on House of
Cards so well is because it's kind of in his nature.
I think, Yeah, and there's something where the discomfort of
being himself is just too deep that he can't even
not Yes, that's the nail on the head right there.
(54:55):
Are you kidding me? That's like the that's like to
me is the most prime driver of any thing I
ever want to do as far as acting. It's just like,
please can not be myself? Can I take a break
from being myself? Yes? Nothing, Nothing feels better in this
entire world and taking a break from being yourself. You're
such a good actor, John, You've been in so much stuff.
(55:17):
I mean, I have acted. I wouldn't say I'm like
a great actor anything. No, I think you're a really
good actor because I took an acting class with you
once and I was like blown away. I was like,
I have a lot of work to do. I have
a lot of work to do it too, but I
really I want to act so badly. I hope that
I book something this year. You have to be crazy,
I think I know. Well. All the parts that I
(55:40):
do get are like cookie, cuckoo, cuckoo, girl, and I
love them. Yeah, you just do it. You don't have
to act, you just step into it. I know you're right.
I think I need to like let it rip more,
you know, let it rip, just go in there drunk.
I haven't just drink that much these days. Well, maybe
(56:02):
just save it for auditions, right, um. I think I
told you about this already, But like, I think it
was like three weeks ago. I had two drinks and
I was blind blind drunk. I was hung over for
three days. I was like, how is this happened? Like
I used to be a fucking I used to drink
(56:24):
like crazy when I was younger. I think those are
probably pretty strong drinks though. Yeah there were Cadillac marks right. Yeah.
Well I'll tell you this and I know that you
will shoot it. Um. I ever since I got my
Reiky attunements, here we go, Ever since I got my
(56:48):
Reiky attunements, famously during quarantine, when I took my Reiky certifications,
I have I think that they made me become more sensitive.
Or I was going to say they funked up your lawrence,
That's what I'm saying. I'm so like, my sensitivity to
everything has been really heightened. Like even caffeine to like.
(57:10):
I took a five hour energy the other day at
two thirty and I still felt it the next day
at twelve thirty. I was buzzing. Dude, damn, I haven't.
How did you do your reset? I think I need
to do a chemical detox. I'm doing a little. I'm
doing my vegan one right now. I just need to
do a stimulant and uh alcohol, just like general sort
(57:34):
of not so much a detox, but just stripping down
having just a few different types of things to eat,
not like a little break, yeah, just like a break
or I haven't done a fast and for forever. Yeah,
I'm knee deep in my v I like to do
a couple of weeks vegan thing, and that's what I've
been on. It's no joke, Doug. But the problem with
(57:56):
the vegan thing to me is there's still sugar. And
that's what I have a problem with. Sugar, not me.
I know. The way I do it, it's like vegetables
soup tofu, like there's no bullshit in there, there's nothing processed. Wow. Yeah,
but that's why I can only do it for two
weeks because it was but whatever, whatever, you know, what
(58:16):
I mean. I'm talking. I'm talking. Uh, you're just having
KFC plant plant based bites. Yeah, like when people do,
know Johnny No, Like when people say they're vegan, but
they just eat like chips and mountain dew. Yeah, that's
why Lucien Wiggles loves mountain dew. But that's okay. He's old,
(58:37):
He's allowed to drink it. It's good stuff. It tastes great.
Do you like mountain doo? For real? I haven't had
it in a long time, but the last time I
did have it, I remembered like, wow, this is this
is good man. I love soda. That's like my ship.
I love soda. So you're not having caffeine right now?
Oh no, I'm having caffeine. How much a little a
(59:00):
cup of coffee in the morning? One cup? Yeah? Okay? Um,
But do you think that mcgiver what do you think he?
Do you think he drank soda? Did you have a
cold e ever once in a while, mcgiver? Or was
he too straight lace for that? He's got it. He's Canadian.
You can't. You can't not drink beer and be Canadian.
It's what those things where you can, but you have
(59:21):
to be like, oh, I used to be a uh
you know, I used to be blackout twelve days of
the month. I don't I don't know. I feel like
he popped a cold one. Okay, everybody don't know about him.
I maybe I kind of think that maybe he um
likes to drink get t drunk, like a good good
what's it called sencha? Sen? I don't know. Essential just
(59:45):
tap a green tea. I think you can get tea
drunk off it You heard of te drunk? No, no, no, no,
you're securely introducing me to tea drunk. I found out.
I've had it happened a couple of times, but only
by accident. There's a type of tea preparations and Japan
the style of preparation where you you like infuse the
tea for a certain amount of time, and a certain
type of tea where it bleeds off the caffeine. So
(01:00:09):
you get these things called you get something called gabba,
and you get something called penine. So if you drink
enough tea, which you're drink a fucking shipload of tea,
you get drunk off. You get like really kind of
like that drunk drunk. They call it tea drunk. But um,
you feel very like a sense of overwhelming sense of
well being. Wow, I am aware of the Gabba and
(01:00:32):
deenin as like supplements. Um, but that's really cool. But
you would have to drink so much tea. You have
to drink that much. You just have to prepare it
in a certain way. I think maybe you have to
have you have to not drink a ton of caffeine
because you are getting caffeine. But if you're if you
were like drinking a lot of caffeine every day, I
think you might be a sensitive to the Gabba and
(01:00:52):
the fenin. Um. I don't know. It's some sort of
interplay with the chemicals my dream. I don't know that
it will happen in the lifetime for me. Maybe the next.
But I would love to be off caffeine completely, a
no caffeine. I don't know when I could do that.
Really you should just if you tried doing a month
no uh that. Michael Pollen he wrote a new book
(01:01:15):
about drugs and stuff. He talks about how he did
a six week break. He says he had to do
at least six weeks and when he did it again
for the first time, it was he was just psycho
like how much he talks about it, just being and
in such an intense experience to have caffeine again for
the first time, and he was talking like no caffeine,
like none, that's what I mean. Yeah, I mean, your
(01:01:38):
skin would look so incredible if you had no caffeine,
like Lucy Lou Like a lot of these famous actresses
do it. But I don't know how they do that
because they never sleep. They're always flying somewhere and ship.
But I would love to be off it. I actually
was unaware that I had an addiction to it, like
most people do. But I was unaware until I had
(01:01:58):
to try and get off it for Ahuaska and um yeah,
I kept. I purposely ran out of coffee and didn't
buy more, and then I would walk to the coffee
shop every day because I was like, I'm losing my mind.
It makes you feel so I remember I did it.
I did a two day or three day break in college.
(01:02:19):
I remember being like I felt like I was in
a fog. I just so like I couldn't think. I
felt like I was two seconds behind everything right right. Yeah,
there is hardcore withdrawals with katheene Um. Well, wow, we
really did get into it with the Phoenix roundation and mcgever.
(01:02:39):
I lastly, I want to say I never watched really
mcgever because I'm too extremely young, but I do remember
extremely I do remember. Okay, that doesn't make me super
extremely old, Johnny. You look, we both look really young.
It's crazy if there are any casting directors listening. Um.
(01:03:02):
But I do remember Swiss Army Knives being like so
popular as a kid, and that's why, which is crazy.
I didn't know that I used to love my Swiss
Army knife until it cut the ship out at me. Yeah.
They I like that. They have like a nail, a
nail clipper, nail filing. They're hilarious. Okay, Well, the last
(01:03:24):
thank you. I just want to thank you so much
for coming on this podcast because I know there's we
could go on for days blab and yap and yea.
We have blabbed and we will continue to blab. Yeah,
we love to blab. But I do have one little
segment left before you leave, and that is fan on
the Street Street, And I'm just wondering do you have
(01:03:53):
because you are one of the very first episodes of
this podcast during its incubation, except in period, because you
have done the show multiple times close dear friend of mine.
So I had to get you know, the all stars
in on the ground. Um, And I'm just wondering. Normally
we're going to have fans call in right in with
(01:04:16):
their celeb encounters, but for now, I'm asking my guests
until we get that set up, do you, I mean,
you've been working in the movies and TV biz for
a while. I'm wondering, do you have any cool celebrity
encounter story that you wanna you know, give us. God,
celebrity encounter story, I mean, God, I have the best
(01:04:42):
one I have. I can't tell it because it's too
it's kind of like not fair to tell, but I
I have told you about it. It's a I won't
even say. I mean, okay, I don't want to talk
about someone I've worked with because that's just like, yeah,
it's also like it's not really an encounter. That's r
and Cox. Shit. He every time I go on Twitter,
(01:05:03):
it's Brian Cox, you know, logan from Succession saying just
saying something so hardcore about someone you worked with, like
something mean, Yeah, I mean like he talks ship. Yeah,
he fully talks it. He goes, I'm I'm I'm old,
and I'm talented. I can say whatever the funk I want. Well,
(01:05:24):
when I get to that age, I will start. I
got a lot of ship to say, but I'm not
gonna say it now. I will say the first time
I had a celebrity encounter in Los Angeles when I
first moved here was when I went to some I
think it was called Room five. Was on the brain.
I was doing a show. I was going to see
a show, a comedy show, and in walks. Uh. I
(01:05:45):
don't know who Teresa Strasser is. She used to be, uh,
the host of the show on TLC called While You
Were Out used to watch. I watched every episode during
one summer in college because it was super hot in Tallahassee, Florida.
And I watched and I saw her walk in, and
it was the first time in my life I was
fully like, oh fuck. Like I was like dumb struck.
(01:06:08):
You know, I couldn't believe that it was actually her,
maybe like less than ten feet away. Was she there
because it was like a restaurant down there. She wasn't
like a super all comedy fan or something. No, I
think she was like this is not an auld show.
This is just like a normal show show. Show is
not at a club, is what I mean. Yeah, this
(01:06:29):
was like a little upstairs space. I think she was there.
I think she went on to be on the Adam
Corolla Show or something like that. I think she was
on the radio. This is a long time ago. She
was like the this is when he was on radio,
not podcast. But I saw her and I was just
fucking I couldn't believe it. Wow, that's pretty cool. And
ever since then, I've never been um anytime I meet us,
(01:06:52):
so I treat them like I treated dog. How is that?
Just a little boy? You just ign room until you
have a chance to uh calmly. Oh, I'm never in
my life. I I've always been reversed too cool because
it's crazy. I can't believe the way people act like
(01:07:14):
they don't want to be bothered, you know, if they're
like really famous, dude. I was at Star Roast's birthday
last weekend and with Meg Stalter and me and Meg
we were like sitting at the bar having sort of
like a really we were like really into our conversation.
So many people came up and like literally would wedge
(01:07:39):
themselves in between us and be like, I know you
guys are talking, but like it was crazy. I was like,
this would be like if what it would be like
if I dated Chris Evans. I was like, yeah, it
was nuts because I mean, I guess people were We
were at a bar and people were wasted, so they
It's maybe different in the daytime in a more civilized
(01:08:01):
depends on where you are, because like different fandoms are
different places sometimes, like some places and we were in
Highland Park, the Mecca Mecca that like some places. It's
you know, it just depends where you are, I supposed,
but yeah, you want to know one of mine, I
have a few good ones. Um, one of mine, I
(01:08:23):
was in New York City. I had maybe just moved there,
maybe like a month or two, and my long distance
boyfriend had come to visit one that you know, and um,
we were fighting. We were in a big fight on
the street in front of the Stone Wall in We
(01:08:43):
were like fighting about some bullshit that people in their
early twenties fight about. And we see this guy stop
and get off his bike and look at us, and
he's literally just staring like he's not even trying to
hide it, but he was like studying like he was interested.
He didn't look concerned. He was just like and it
(01:09:05):
was Philip Seymour Hoffman. Wo. Yeah, that's you know what
that is right there? Yes, this is study watching. Yeah,
that's the kid. That's like the ultimate key is just
to watch people doing stuff. That's why New York is
so fucking great. People do ship in the streets all
the time. You love New York so much? I do.
I think it's like I couldn't. You were ready to
(01:09:27):
leave last time you were there? Um was I? Yeah?
Maybe I don't know, Maybe I was ready to leave
hotel life, but I definitely I like. I like it
a lot and I could never live there. I don't think.
When I went back this last time, I was like,
my soul, I mean, I love New York City, I
always will. And it's like it was the best, but
(01:09:48):
it's the best place for comedy in the world, a
million better than But I was like, holy sh it,
my soul has moved on from this place. Like I
need trees, I need sun I need wellness. I'm l
a bitch. Now it's a young person's game. Oh yeah,
or you have to be like some ruthless fashion person
who is just got sunglasses on all the time, walks
(01:10:10):
like they're gonna you know, like the smoke cigarettes, in
a lot of pain, but massive work, especially now too.
I mean there's partly the glory days of New York
that are they're definitely that's just not coming back right.
Oh my god. Well we really did something here, and
I just want to thank you so much for coming
on in the early days of this podcast because we
can't wait to have you back on Lucian and I.
(01:10:32):
But I can't wait to see what Lucian digs up. Yeah,
I know, he's so sneaky. He's really good at his job.
It's crazy. I don't know how he finds time for
all the research between the fishing. But fishing, yeah, I
love fishing. He's always fishing, that guy. Um well, thank
you so much Johnny for having me. Blair was appreciated.
(01:10:52):
I appreciate my time and enjoyed it. I loved it.
Super cool, super fun the ground floor. Johnny Pemberton, everybody,
thank you so much. Have a great week.
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