JOSH GONDELMAN LOVES ADAM SANDLER

Blair welcomes Josh Gondelman (Last Week Tonight, Desus & Mero) to read an ode to his favorite cargo-shorts wearing comedian.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, it's Blair back with you on this week's podcast.
I'm glad to be with you, my faithful listeners, my friends,
my family. We are family at this point. I am
enjoying this so much. I say this every week, but
I just want to first start off, but thank you
you for spending your time with me. I know there's

(00:23):
a million other things you could be doing and things
you could be listening to, and it means a lot
to me that you choose to spend a little corner
of your world with me. Anyways, I hope you're doing well.
I hope you're happy doing the best you can or
just getting by. We have such an exciting show for
you today. I have my friend Josh got Them in

(00:44):
on UH. He's a head writer on Jesus and Merrill.
He's a fabulous stand up comedian. He is an author
and just an all around great guy. One of the
nicest guys in the business, one of the quickest and funniest,
and we just had a really great time on the podcast.
So make sure you follow Josh. He has a brand
new comedy special out right now, stand up comedy called

(01:09):
People Pleaser, and it's available across all platforms, so make
sure you check that out. I know that you will
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(01:30):
be there for just for laughs July. I would love
to see you there. And as always, I say this
every week, but I'm really trying to get this podcast
going and how many people listen determines how many seasons
I get, and I'm enjoying it so much. I want
to do more seasons. So what I need from you

(01:50):
is to subscribe and review and tell a friend. Your
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I'm so grateful, and I want to read some reviews
because I want to shout these people out that have
been so nice to me. Um. This one's from Lindsay Love.
She said, I just discovered this podcast, a longtime fan

(02:12):
of Blair. I've been multiple episodes today. Such a nice
break from my news political podcast. I needed more laughs
in my rotation. Thank you, Linday. We all need more laughs,
we really do. We need to get our joy where
we can. And then another one. This one's from Lens
h Chart. Difficult name to pronounce. You don't have many

(02:34):
values in there, sir or ma'am. It's your boy. Blair
is so great and authentic and funny as her guests
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out loud multiple times in public with headphones and totally
worth it. Yes, thank you. I love when it's worth it.
I'm busting my ass trying to make you guys laugh
trying to have a good time. So thank you. I'm

(02:55):
glad we're accomplishing this together. Anyways, I love you guys
so much. I really do. I'm so appreciative of you,
so I hope you are a really banging weekend. Enjoy
this episode with Josh Garneldman. Everybody, we get into it.
It's a good one, all right, love you. Welcome everybody

(03:22):
to another episode of the Dear Owen Wilson Podcast. I'm
your host, Blair Sack back once again to bring you
the hardest hitting interviews in the podcast space, and today's
episode is gonna be no exception. Do I have a

(03:43):
treat for you this man, he's the head haunch o
of the Jesus and Meryl Show. Is that the Jesus
and Merrow Show? I think it's just called Jesus and Merrow.
It's it's he's reading on any other things. A stand
up comedian legend, very funny man. We all love. Please,

(04:07):
welcome to the show, Josh Gondoman, everybody, thank you, thanks
for having me. Blair, good to see you. So we
will confirm it's just called Jesus and called Jesus and

(04:28):
Narrow show. Correct. Okay, I will have to punish my
private detective, Lucian Wiggles, who does all my research, because
that can't be happening to me on such a widely
listened to show. I feel like private detectives often are
not held accountable for their actions. Yeah, you're right, Josh,

(04:52):
and that is something that I will be having to
take a closer look at. Lucien Wiggles. He is a
very prominent part to this show. He sort of digs
up all the dirt on my guests and their celebrities.
But I will have to talk to him later about that.
And um so how are you? What is new? I'm doing? Okay,

(05:13):
We're like really in the think of it at Jesus
and Marrow and it's been really fun and that's a
lot of it. And I'm doing I'm on the road
again doing a little stand up, so that's like most
of what's keeping me busy. And then my my wife
and I did karaoke with some friends, so that was
the real mood boost too. Yeah, yeah, your busiest hell
And what was the karaoke song that you chose? So

(05:35):
we we weren't with two friends, our friends um jayant
Sexana who's a writer, and Maddie Luchansky who is a
writer and cartoonist, and they uh we it was just
the four of us and we were there for like
two and a half hours, and we ripped it up.
It was like all over the map. We did like
a full on Will Smith block, like not as a

(05:56):
political statement, just like because no one was going to
stop us. And we did uh. One of the big
hits of the night, Jaia did um It's All coming
Back to Me Now by Selene Dion and we all
just went bonkers and singing along. It was a great time.
I like hadn't done that in a while, and I

(06:16):
was like, because there are only four of us and
we're all like singing along with each other because we're
all just like they're being friends. I was like, the
next day I had to headline the show, and I
was like, oh, my throat is sore from singing too much,
like a like a real dork because I like have
no vocal training. Yeah no, I'm with you, brother, Wow.

(06:36):
And the pay fills on a Selene Dion song is
just unmatched. What you the the emotion that it releases
out of the human soul. I like had forgotten to
the like depths and the heights of that song and
like both musically and like emotionally, And when when I

(07:00):
started singing it, I was truly like, holy sh it,
this is a fucking roller coaster. Ryan a jug or not.
You hear that people out there, people who do not
support the arts. Okay, music means something. Yeah, I agree,
and sleep Dion specifically Okay, Josh, Now, without further ado,

(07:27):
I would like it if you could please read your
letter and don't say anything about who it is before
just launch into it. Surprise these fools out here. Oh
I'm surprised of Ready, here here we go. Here's my
letter started. The being the surprise will be revealed pretty quickly. Yes,
dear Mr Adams Sandler, surprised you gosh that the reaction

(08:00):
that you gave me. I feel like that's the reaction
Selee Deon herself gets when she perforted my Dear Mr
Adam Sandler, my name is Josh Gondoleman, and I'm a
fifth grade student from Stoneham, Massachusetts. I think that maybe
you are also from Massachusetts, because if you're told booth
Willie skit, the one where Willie I told booth employee

(08:20):
from Worcester tells customers that he's going to kill them
with a baseball bat and other crude weapons. Anyway, that's
just a hunch I have, But I can't look up
where you're from because Google doesn't exist yet. Weird, Why
would I say that in the year it is now? Anyway,
I wanted to write to you because my friends and
I think you're very funny. We really like your comedy albums.

(08:42):
We especially like your skit The Goat, where the goat
says to f word him in the goat ass. I
hope it's okay that I wrote ask It's not that
bad to swear, so it doesn't seem that rude. Anyway,
me and my friends also like your movies and your
Saturday Night Live skits. I hope that someday I can
be on Saturday Night Live like you, even though I'm
not good at staying up late. And my grandmother once

(09:03):
told me that I'm quote really more of a writer
than an actor, and honestly, she's not wrong. It definitely
seems more likely that I'll have a pretty solid writing
career and a marginally successful stand up career, and I'll
occasionally get to do on camera work when someone I
know is producing something. I know that's weirdly specific to say,
but I think it will be true anyway. I have

(09:24):
memorized all the words to the Hunukah song, which is
the one thing of yours that me and my parents
agree as good. I think hearing you saying about so
many cool Jewish people and other ones that I've never
heard of but sound very cool too, makes me feel
like maybe I can do good things and big things
when I grow up. Even though I love mel Brooks's movies,
the versions they play on regular TV with this swear

(09:45):
is bleeped out, he seems really old to me, even
though in Blazing saddles. He was still in his forties,
which in the future I will imagine will seem like
a totally reasonable age to me, even if you haven't
accomplished several important life goals by then. Anyway, if I
really had to think about it, which I don't, because
why would I, a child, have to do that, You
and the Beastie Boys mean a lot to me as

(10:06):
modern avatars of Jewish masculinity. You are funny and cool
and say swears, and no one seems to mind accept
my parents, but that's not really their jurisdiction because you're
grown ups. Sometimes I take your work at face value
and valorize it in a way that is ultimately problematic,
but that's okay. I'm only eleven. I'll grow out of
it anyway. Thanks for reading this letter. I hope it

(10:27):
found you well and that you are still well even
after reading it. Sincerely, Josh Gondelman, Stoneham, Massachusetts. PS. If
you decide to reply to this letter, please enclose an
autographed copy of your comedy album. They're all going to
laugh at you. My friends would be very impressed. Plus,
all of our copies have been wicked confiscated because of
all the aforementioned swear words. Wo yes, love it. Oh

(10:55):
my gosh, I do have to say You're eleven year
old self is quite eloquent, Josh. I was like a
real pretentious, smug little kid. I love that from thinking
about you being pretentious as hell. As an eleven year old,
I was like a real smarty pants dweeb. And like
now as an adult, I think like one of the

(11:16):
things about a good things about like growing up is
that like I've met they're just like I'm I'm not
that smart, and like now I've met more people, so
I know that well, I don't know, agreed to disagree.
I think you're really smart, really smart. Thank you. Yeah,
I have not met many eleven year olds who can
articulate themselves to that degree. Incredible word, little Josh and

(11:41):
adult Josh. Thank you bringing it hard, leaving no stones
unturned today. Honestly, I feel like most people these days
don't give a lot of props to my eleven year
old self, and so thank you for doing that for me. Yeah,
you know what, I think they're missing out there into
a lot of genius over there. They need to open

(12:03):
their goddamn eyes. If you're asking me, Josh, thank you. Okay, well,
buckle up. I hope you're ready for this interview. You know,
it's all it's all meant in good faith, um, in
love and war. You know. Yeah, this isn't got your journalism. No,

(12:23):
it's it's definitely not gotcha journalism. Who would ever do that?
You Well, you're not the first to say so, Josh,
You're certainly not the first to say that, and I
know you're not the last either. Very menacing. Here we go. Josh.

(12:51):
Adam Sandler married his wife Jackie in two thousand three
and famously loves her a lot. You also, Josh, famously
love your wife a lot. What do you have to
say to all the freako dudes that don't love their
wives as much as you too? This is Lucian's question,

(13:12):
by the way. Yeah, so he's kind of a private eye.
And then like, uh research interview producer, Oh big time. Yes,
he's Olvin produced the entire segment. He puts a lot
of his will into it. So it's beautiful. I mean, so,
I feel like in comedy there's a lot of people

(13:34):
that there's a lot of people that like joke about
frustrations and relationships, and I think everybody has those, and
that can be really funny and relatable. And then there's
like a different tier of people that are like, I
swear to God, if I have to look in my
fucking wife's eyes one more time, I'm gonna put a
gun in my mouth, in my ass and hope the
bullets meet in the middle of me, and like that,
just get divorced. Dude. I have always said this in

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thing it's like wild because again, there's like a level
of like comedic complaining that people do for fun, and
like that seems like this is a person I love,
and we have these like little quirks that that don't
mesh in this otherwise very like loving relationship. I can
accept those things about each other. And then you meet

(14:20):
a guy that's just like I swear to God, when
I look at her face, I dry heave and then
I wet heave. It's just like, dude, just like you
can she probably doesn't want to be married to you anymore.
You definitely don't want to. I remember that specifically when
I was coming up in New York in like the

(14:42):
B and C clubs, you know, when I was first
starting out, and you see those like Haggard old road
Dog comedian dude, and they're like, I fucking hate my wife.
It's like I don't want to like boat police the
way anyone does comedy right, because it's like sure just

(15:02):
like make I mean some people, I guess I do,
but like this is just one of those things where
it's like, I mean, I don't like this comedy. But
it's more than that. It just seems like, dude, you
seem so unhappy. Yeah, I know, I know, And then
those would be the same guys that would be like listen,
young girl. Yeah, it's the way you have to do
things right. It's like I always feel like you get

(15:26):
advice from those guys, and it's like always just advice
that that a guy like crustier than them gave them
twenty years ago, where it's like you need a clean
thirty minutes. But by clean you can say like I
hit my fucking kids in the face when they step
out of line, and he's just like oh my god,
like like that's what like clean comedy. You can get

(15:48):
away with such cruel jokes and such like awful jokes
as long as they're like deeply head own, normative and
like I have a very you know my I'm in.
I'm in. I'm a straight guy married to a woman.
But I think that there's like a difference between like
that being like kind of the baseline for who a
person is versus like like if my kid was gay,

(16:12):
I would X y Z you know what I mean,
Just like just that, like you're not hosting the Oscars now, Josh.
Oh yeah, we're gotting that clip out, no Sandalone putting
it out from the dear On Wilson. You do know
that I wasn't going to host the Oscars before. No,

(16:32):
I did not know that I wasn't. I did not
hear that I thought I was going to host the Yeah,
I was under the impression you're hosting the Now I'm
not gonna because you're sabotaging as a result of this
podcast of the gatcha journalism. On this podcast you said
you were going to do with that. Yes, well thanks change, Josh.

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Life is unpredictable and you have to ride the waves.
It's so brutal, right, it's like so much like qualifies
as like clean, like it's people doing rooms are like
it'll be like a corporate gig, like don't don't swear
and don't you know, And it's like you can't be like, um,
my cousin is gay because they're like whoa who who

(17:13):
you said gay? That's about sex. And then some guy
will be like, my wife hasn't blown me in forty
two years, that's clean. Any time I've ever done some
sort of clean type of comedy, it is so subjective
and arbitrary that is like completely impossible to meet whatever

(17:34):
standard is because like everyone is offended by something different. Yes,
and I think like clean it like really depends on
what what room you Like you said what room you're in,
and like what the what they want out of clean?
Like sometimes that a college, they'll be like, don't mention
this thing. That is like against the founding principles of
our college, because the people who booked you will be upset.

(17:55):
And then sometimes like clean, like I find like in
rooms of like you know, younger hipper rooms sometimes like
what what offends them is like not swearing or like
or explicit sex stuff. But it's like that kind of
like old timey like my fucking wife and people are like,

(18:16):
you know what I mean? Whereas like there are plenty
of rooms where you can truly just be like I
hate my wife. I hate my children. I hate my
wife for having children. And people are like, we love
this guy, this is exactly what we wanted. And they're
just like, thank god he didn't say shit, because I
would have lost my mind. It's just like absolutely, But again,

(18:40):
I don't want to say like you can't be angry
or frustrated or have like have a whatever kind of relationship,
but like, I think you and I are talking about
the same kind of guy where you're like the jokes
are just like, oh, you have such a miserable day
to day life. Yeah, yeah, you're really working with a
lot of hatred. I've actually been thinking about this because

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I'm trying to um manifest my life partner, husband, and
but like you know, I've taken you quite a long
time to arrive at this point where I would like
that and want that. But I have been thinking in
relation to what you're saying right now, because like a
lot of my jokes are just like making fun like casually,

(19:23):
like making fun of men like dumb should I tweet?
Or like I don't think about it, or like things
in my act, And I'm like, oh, what if repeating
those things is like obstructing my energy field that I
can't allow in this great love. Wait, can I say
something to that please? I feel like what you're doing
when you repeat those jokes is you're screening out the

(19:45):
people who like take them too much to heart, right,
So I think it is. It's actually part and parts
of this manifesting where you're now manifesting a person who
understands your sense of humor and operates like on the
same kind of philosophical wavelength that you do. Well, that's
very kind positive way of looking at it, because sometimes
I'm like, if this person doesn't know me, they're going

(20:06):
to think I'm just luck. Okay, moving on. According to
Lucian Wickles, yes your private investigator, Yes, my p I

(20:27):
that I sick on all my guests. Adam Sandler was
discovered by the comedian Dennis Miller, who saw him on
stage and recommended him to Lord Michael's Josh, who would
you say discovered you? Oh my gosh, that's such a
good question, um, and weirdly the answer also, Dennis Miller,

(20:51):
I'm not sure, literally die, we're on a message board
together for a guy who turned into real dickheads after
nine eleven. Uh uh, that's that's where we found me. Um,
what if you were like, we have coffee every week
every week, me and Dennis. Yeah, he comes, he comes

(21:14):
to Britain. I gotta, I gotta. I imagine he lives
in Los Angeles now once a week. It's only fair.
Um no, um gosh. I mean the first, the first
people that were really like helpful to me and encouraging
of me and comedy were um, like Aaron Judge, who's
in it It was in Los Angeles now and runs

(21:36):
a show and as a novelist and a screenwriter, and
um and Mike Kaplan, who's a really really funny stand
up podcast. So did you start in New York? Then
I started in Boston and they were still in Boston
Like this was like in the Yeah, like the mid Oughts,
I guess, and uh, they were really great and like
I I have such an an appreciation for like the

(21:57):
people in the Boston scene who were like ahead of
me and really kind to me when I was coming up,
like the Walsh brothers and Kelly McFarland and Tom dustin
Lamont Price. Like it's just people that were like a
few years ahead of me. That John Fish who was
in New York already. But like, yeah, Gary Goldman, Yeah,
like all those Boston people where have been like so

(22:19):
kind to me throughout the years, and like all people
that like when good things have happened in my career
trailing there's by years, I've always been able to go
to them for advice and like it's been really it's
like I'm I'm such like a hometown guy and and
so like that means so much to me. Oh that's
so nice. Yeah, we do know you are hometown. God.
This got loves his duncan. This man loves his dunkin.

(22:43):
That's true. I'm drinking. I'm drinking polar Seltzer right now.
The Pride of Worcester, Massachusetts is and welcome to bring
about Dead and Sandler. Okay, So in December of Adam
Sandler start in the Arafty Brothers Uncut Gems and it's
now known as the best role of his career. Josh,

(23:07):
do you know the Safty Brothers personally and will you
be starring in a crime thriller drama anytime soon? I
don't know them personally. I'm very available to start in
crime thriller dramas. I feel like that's the genre that
I would work in really well, Um, I feel like
I feel like I seem like I would be like

(23:28):
the nervous one, you know, I'd be like, oh ship
like that. I feel like I could do one of that,
Like yeah, yeah, you gotta have somebody that's like not
holding it together at all. And I feel like that's
my zone in a crime thriller. But like that cast, right,
Adam Sandler and Kevin Garnett, It's like, hell, yeah, that's

(23:48):
like those are like the guys like you know, Kevin
Garnett won the Championship of the Celtics in two thousand
and eight, so it feels very New England core that movie. Right. Well,
you know I I actually also am a huge Adam
Sandler fan. I met I have met him. Have you

(24:10):
ever met him? No, that's so cool. How did you
meet a friend of mine? Works closely with him and
actually brought him to a show I was on fun?
Oh that's so wonderful. Yeah, and like he didn't see
my set, but I did bring him on stage and
he was very nice. He was like, he's like one

(24:32):
of the nicest people. I mean, I barely met him.
It was not a long interaction. But he was like
very kind and sincere and present. That's lovely. That's all
that I hear about him too, is that he that
he's like a lovely person to like work with and
very kind of fans and stuff. Yeah, and he like
really loves his wife and family. It's just like that,

(24:54):
And like I kind of like to hear that about anybody,
you know what I mean, I searching for I'm beg
and yeah, I want to hear it any which way
I can. I I love it. I'm like so um
and not like you know, I feel like there's a
way that you hear it about people where like you know,

(25:15):
it's like Mark Wahlberg every day wakes up at two
am so that by seven he's ready for like family
prayer time, and it's like, I don't know, that's like
not exactly my vibe. Like I hope that that that
they're a happy family, but I know they're happy. But
it's like, you know, I I think like when you
hear someone like, oh, this person actually goes out of

(25:36):
their way for other people and they're really sweet and kind,
and like I'm always like glad to hear that about people,
and it's always like a bummer, Like I don't feel like,
you know, sometimes I think people are like, to be
a genius, you really have to be a total piece
of ship, And I'm like that stinks. Yeah, I mean
I don't know that I have heard that, but yes,

(25:57):
like you do see some people will that operate in
our sphere, yeah, where I'm like, I don't know how. Yeah,
it's also like the fucking man, everyone else sucks, get
out of my fucking way. And it's like and then

(26:18):
the other people, like, especially when they're successful, other people
are like, that's what you do, that's how you be
the Yeah, that's like that stinks, and it's I think
it happens that way in like a lot of different fields,
and a lot of different creative fields, right, Like my
my wife Maris works in books and so and I
think there's like in books sometimes this idea of like

(26:39):
this genius he like goes into a cabin for eight
months and he comes out with a perfect novel. But
if you so much just knock on the door of
his cabin during the eight months, he'll kick the door
open and throw you down the stairs. And that's what
a brilliant man does. And it's like that sucks. I know.
That's like, yeah, they're like, sure he had a heavy

(27:00):
alcohol and drug problem. Man, everyone had to stay out
of his way. But but yeah, she can't argue with
the results. And it's like I would like to argue
with the results. And like, you know, I think that
there are lots of people that like have uh that
you know, struggle with addiction or whatever in a way
that I'm not like, oh that that that's a moral failing.

(27:21):
And when people people who have addiction issues, but like
the gland that when people glamorize it, like God, he
would wake up and drink a bottle of vodka and
that's why he was the most Brilliant's like, I don't
think the bottle of vodka is what made this person
like an exceptional talent. Oh my god. I know. I
also think how crazy it is, like the times that
I have been like mentally down, It's way it's been

(27:45):
way harder for me to like produce any work. Same. Yeah,
I feel like I I'm much more creative when I'm
feeling like good and thriving and happy and then I'm like, oh,
this is a fun idea and not just like I
don't know it's probably stupid. Yeah, yeah, because you're taking
up so much energy just trying to feel better or

(28:08):
else just feeling like ship. So there's not a lot
of space. Yeah, I think so. And like, yeah, it's
it's just like when people are like the only way
or the like the truest and best art comes from
people that are like unbearable. It's like, Okay, I don't
I don't think that has to be true. I mean,

(28:28):
my art is bad when I make it, but like
other people who and maybe I'm unbearable, but I think
other people. You know, there are lots of people that
many pre pre qualifiers. Okay, Josh, cut it out, Josh,
we should round out these people and fucking just keep
their ascid pole the seble that think you need that

(28:49):
these wretched, wretched people are. Yeah, you know, we didn't.
It's up to us. We didn't. Yeah, we don't open
the cannon. Whoop ass all right, But yeah, I think
that lots of people that are like kind and good
do lots of good stuff, that's all. And I like
to hear about it. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.

(29:09):
I'm starting with you. It seems we're on the same page.
But her nose. Before I answer this, I asked we
could flip on this one follow up question, how do
you feel about Julia Fox and what ultimately do you
feel ended her relationship with Kanye West or Yea as
he is more commonly known. I like can't really pin

(29:31):
down Julia Fox in my mind. She's a very slippery
figure to me because she it's like I just, um,
I just like don't care when she gets groceries and
I feel like the news tells me that, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(29:52):
and it's just like I don't think that's the news.
Yeah to me wearing that too good groceries tomorrow and
I'm like, yeah, totally, people do that completely. I can't.
I can't understand her at all. No, it's not even
that I blame her for how she I think like dressed, however,

(30:13):
you want to get groceries, but that's again not the deuce,
Like that's that's like for your Instagram. I think you
know what I mean, We're a bikini to pick up
a banana and some some almond milk or whatever. It's
all right cool, um, But I think I don't know her.
I think it seems like her relationship with Ya came

(30:35):
to kind of a brief and you know, and it
lasted only briefly and came to kind of a public
end because they were never romantically involved and it was
entirely a publicity stunt. Oh really, you know, Josh, I
must admit my own naivete that I never considered. I

(30:55):
never consider that anything could be fake or not real, Like,
it never crosses my mind. I usually don't. I'm like,
I'm so credulous. I'm like, and like, you can tell
me anything, Like I believe all the things, like yeah,
we landed on the Moon, and like I don't. I'm like,
why would not just that I believe it, But when
people like we fake the moonment and be like, no,

(31:16):
you're being silly, you know what I mean, what do
you mean? I'm confused, And I'm just finding out something
like incredibly historic, right No, no, no, no, Like I
think so many people think, like the moon landing was
fake or whatever, and I'm just like, when I hear
that kind of big scale conspiracy, my first impulse is
always like, come on, you're pulling my leg. But this relationship, specifically,

(31:40):
it just felt so for the tabloids in a way
that like even most relationships that I think have that
kind of genesis don't feel quite so, like, yeah, lasted
three weeks and every time they went on a date,
a magazine photographer was, yeah, you're and he was just
tweet eating about Pete the whole time and Kim. Yeah,

(32:04):
it seemed like not as super organic pairing. But I don't.
I don't have anything against Julia Fox. I hope that
I think she is feeling good, doing well. Yeah, I don't.
I don't have anything against her. Yeah, I hope so too.
I just feel like every time that like Julia Fox
Wren makeup today and it's like who like that? Who

(32:24):
is writing those things? I don't even know? Yeah, I
all this is my big one that I like still
can't get behind. Like it's just so hard for me
to fathom that Chris Jennier would put out Kim sex tape,
Like I like, I still every part of me is
like that's not true. That's insane. No mom would do that,

(32:47):
right right, right, Like that's where I am too. I'm
just like that's not mom behavior, and I'm like that's
not real, Like no matter, people are just haters because
I always think that people are just like way too mean,
and so they're always just talk ship you know, yes, um,
And that might also be true that people are just
talking do you mean um? But yeah, that's that's like

(33:08):
exactly the level of like what like even if I
end up coming around and being like, wow, I see
the proof of this thing here. Like at first, like
whenever anybody is like you know how you think this
will like this other wild explanation is actually true, I'm like,
get out of town. Yeah. My friends are always like
are you insane? It's like there's proof everywhere, Like they

(33:30):
released the sex save. I'm like, I don't know, I
just don't. It seems seems like she loves her kids.
I don't know. Yeah, that's that's yeah. I totally understand
that feeling. And I'm just like we I mean, yeah,
I could. It's not hurting you know. You know, sometimes
you believe a thing that's not true that like doesn't
hurt anybody, and you're just like, whose business is it?

(33:55):
I used to think that way about like flat earth people,
because like when you're like, yeah, the Earth is flat,
it's just like that's just funny to me. That's like
not like who who cares? But then I feel like
the Earth is flat and the like, and you know
who you know who keeps it that way? Did you
now it stinks? Now I getting care because that's messed up.

(34:16):
Oh my god, oh the flat earth people Like I
actually have a bit about this, but like I was
in like a taping once with the leader of the
flat Earth movement, and like it was just to be
inside his brain, like where he his Like his big answer,
his big answer of like why no one has ever

(34:37):
fallen off the edge of the Earth was that there's
an ice barrier. And I was like, so you're so
your rest, your entire movement and basically your entire life.
I'm like this idea of like this human rain gutter
that's like that that is batting a thousand since the
beginning climbed it or a crosset. It's incredible. And it's

(34:59):
also like it's also like the thing about the flat
earth conspiracy that makes me that I'm so compelled by
because most things that people believe that feel to me
like untrue or like conspiratorial. There's like a direct line
to like this is this is the actual fact, this
is who keeps it that way, and this is why

(35:21):
they do it. And when the flat Earth people, they're like,
the Earth is flat and every government in the world
is conspiring to pretend it's round, a thing that takes
constant effort and has no material game. Yeah, oh god, bizarre. Well, okay,

(35:42):
how about this Adam Sandler though you know it's Lucian
Wiggles determined. He has a net worth of four D
twenty million and also just signed a four movie two
hundred seventy five million dollar deal with Netflix. The numbers guy,
that's right, And yet he has been the most nominated

(36:09):
man um just over Sylvester Salone for thirty seven Razzies,
which are famously you know, for being bad acting. What
a wretched by the way, award show you people are
sick to award bad performances. Haters and you need to

(36:30):
get a motherfucking life. That more. Most people are haters.
And do you mean yes? And so Josh my question,
do you get haters? Because you have a considerable Internet following, like,
do you get mean people? Yes? And I don't like it.

(36:50):
I think some people are like haters. Bring it on.
I'm just gonna throw it in your face. And I'm like,
if you don't like me, never tell me away. Yes,
if you don't like me, that is none of my business.
I do not want to know. I agree completely. Well,
you know what I just think is so crazy, Like

(37:11):
and I would just never in my life write something
to a stranger, someone I've never met, something mean, like
I cannot imagine doing that in any scenario. Well, I
think like when like especially in like Twitter or Instagram,

(37:32):
there's like a number of followers you can have or
like a virality of a certain post where people start
responding to it as if they're like yelling at an
athletic event on TV, rather than like responding directly to
a person, uh, and like setting off a notification in
their pocket, you know what I mean, Like like you'll

(37:53):
just have like some tweet that'll just it'll be like
the stupidest one that I ever got yelled at over
an over for was like the abbreviations for tea spoon
and tablespoon are too similar, and nobody's talking about it.
And I got like several different varieties of people really
mad at me, and it was like it lasted like

(38:16):
three days. And there were the people that were like,
of course a man doesn't take it upon himself to
learn baking abbreviations, and then there were people that were like, uh, like,
you fucking idiot. One's a capital tea and one's a
lower case T, you stupid piece of ship. How do
you not know that? I was like, I do know that.

(38:37):
It's just that capital T is like as similar to
lower case T as two letters get like these people
sometimes like I will, I will like barely even be
there while I'm tweeting sometimes, like it's like something I'm
not even thinking. One of the most like vitriol that

(38:59):
I have ever received was from tweeting, like making fun
of wordle yes that the torrent of people that were like, oh,
you just can't let anyone be happy. You want to
like take away, and I was like, I was just
making a silly joke. Like, but what I don't get

(39:21):
is like sometimes when people will post on clips of
like my stand up or it'll be from my page
on my page, and they'll be like she's not funny,
as if I'm not going to see it, Yeah, just
say you're not funny. But better than that say nothing

(39:42):
I know, but I'm like it's so mean. It's also
like I don't I feel like mostly the people who
see my stuff. Are people that like know who I am,
which is like a medium number of people. And people
usually follow me because they like the things that I do.

(40:03):
They think I have a funny since humor or whatever,
and that's so usually like usually people that follow me
are pretty good. But then like you get like ten
retweets or one from like a person with a bigger account,
and then all of a sudden, you're just like exposed
to all these people have no context for your sense
of humor and like something that you said that was
like kind of tongue in cheek. They take like as

(40:25):
the most serious thing you've ever thought and meant in
your life and start arguing with you as if you
were like if anyone believes the opposite of them of this,
I will find you and put you to death with
my buriers. And really and really, you're like I was
waiting for the train and I thought this, so I
tweeted it because I was bored. Yeah, oh my god,

(40:55):
it's so crazy. Internet culture is like very alarming. Yeah,
it's it's wild. It's too much. A lot of the time,
I try to think of it when people write me
mean things as like the same way I do when
I see like an unwell person yelling on the street. Sure,
And I'm like when when they call me like a

(41:17):
stupid ugly slut or something, I don't take it personally.
This has nothing to do with me. I'm just walking by.
This has nothing to do with me. And I'm like,
can I apply that same idea to these people on
the internet? Right, You're like, this person was gonna call
somebody a stupid ugly slut. I happen to be the
person in front of them. If they don't know me,

(41:39):
their judgments about me have no value. Yeah, but yeah,
it's it's like, so it's so stressful and like I
definitely get some of it, but I don't have enough,
Like I'm not in no way am I like a
famous enough person where like I just do a thing
and then everyone has to weigh in on it, you

(41:59):
know what I mean, Like like Julia Fox eats sandwich
wearing large silly hat with feathers or whatever, and then
people are just like, oh, I have to say what
I think about this, And it's like that's not my
life at all, and I'm very grateful for that. I
think there's like I think a lot about how there's
this kind of like level of renown and like notoriety

(42:21):
that you can get to write where like the people
who know about you, there's like this pool I think
of like people who would like the stuff you do
if they knew about it, right, And then like you
want all those people to know about what you're doing
so that they can enjoy the working mad because that's
why you do it, like so that you can share
it with people. But then sometimes people get so famous

(42:43):
for doing the things that they're good at and for
people liking it, that they expand into this pool of
like people who like some of the stuff they do,
or just like people that like nothing you do but
are constantly aware of you anyway, you know what I mean.
Like I'm trying to think of someone who I'm like
constantly aware of and like everything that all the work
they produce. I'm just like, oh, this is not for me,

(43:05):
you know what I mean. And like I feel like
once you get famous enough, people just feel like they
have to have an opinion on you, yeah, Or like
once things get really saturated, like you show up and everything,
then people turn on you for no reason other than
the fact that they're seeing you all the time, especially
if you're a woman. Yes, oh yeah, I mean I

(43:27):
think that happens to women like much sooner, Like that
inflection point happens, like, uh, anyone is aware of a woman,
someone will say something mean, and I feel like with guys,
it takes like Chris Pratt getting super shredded and being
the voice of every animated character and leaving his wife. Well,
I'll never forget, like I remember, I don't know, she's

(43:50):
still super famous, but like five six years ago, like
when train Wreck was happening and everything, like the amount
of hate directed towards Amy Schumer, I kept thinking looking
at her and being like, how is she dealing with this? Hey,
she was like the most hated, Like the people were
so fucking mean to her. I couldn't even like she's
strong as ship when I think of these people, even

(44:12):
Adam standing there, like maybe probably why he loves his
family so much. Is like when you get that famous
and when you subject you when you open yourself up
to like the world on such a huge scale. I
can't even imagine like what that pressure must be like
in like trying to manage your anxiety and stuff. It
sounds so intense and like I feel like I'm I'm

(44:35):
like not at risk of becoming so famous that my
life has ruined. But I do think about like when
you see someone hit that tipping point right where they
go from like oh, this person has fans that love
their work to like oh, this person like started a
major motion picture and there's a billboard of them in
every American city and people just aret being like this

(44:56):
fucking guy, and it's like six month, six months ago,
you didn't know this guy existed, and everyone who did
know he existed mostly was like, I think this guy
is pretty cool, right, Oh god, um okay, so we
must have to get to these. In two thousand seven,

(45:16):
according to Lucian Wiggles, Adam Sandler donated one million dollars
to the Boys and Girls Club in his hometown in
New Hampshire. Josh, how much money have you donated to overall? Yes?
You said yes, like you hadn't considered the scope of

(45:36):
the question until I put parameters on it. You know,
Lucien sometimes right, and you know, I'm sorry, he can
be a little invasive. You know, I don't even know
if I approve of that question. He's trying to get
exact dollar him use out of my friend Josh. I
feel like I try to be generous and this is

(45:57):
like a thing I think about all the time because
I'm like, I I have some money. I have some money.
That's the funniest way, Like I'm I'm doing okay. I
had like a very fortunate last several years of my career,

(46:18):
and so I feel like I try to like give
money to causes where it's helpful and like to individual people,
like I try to be really like no, no, no, no, no,
I'm answered, I'm answering it. Um. But I also like

(46:38):
I am deeply concerned with like looking like a big
tim or asshole, So like I'm constantly being like, you know,
like if I go out to lunch with a friend,
I'm just like I can I can pay for this lunch.
But then I don't want to make it. I don't
want to be like I can pay for this lunch
and you can't pavor this lunch. So it's like a
constant low grade like this person think I'm an asshole

(47:00):
or do they just think it's nice that I bought lunch?
Who can say? How do you deal with battling thoughts
like that? Like do you have tools or like that's
a good question. I think so one thing that my
this is like a rule that my dad gave to
me years ago, and this is really helpful, where he

(47:22):
was like, look, if you offer to pay and you
do it three times and someone says no, then you don't.
Or if someone offers to pay three times and you're
like no, then you let them right if if you're like,
you don't have to do that, and I just feel
like you and Wilson Exclusive, Wilson Exclusive, David Gondolman wisdom,

(47:47):
but my but I think that like taking people at
their word is something that I try to do, you
know what I mean, And if somebody is if somebody
is like uncomfortable in something like that, or like you know,
it's like no, I'd like to buy this round, because
I feel like sometimes you can be the asshole for
not letting someone buy the drinks, right, you know what
I mean. Like I'll be out with a friend and

(48:10):
I'll be like, oh, let me get this round and
they're like, oh, you got the last one, let me
get this one. And I think it's like as a
gesture of friendship rather than being like come on, man,
you've been unemployed for six months or not six months.
I think that's a little much, but like I'm I'm
working you you just finished a job. If they're like, no,
let me pay, this is like part of what friendship
is is this back and forth and I'm like, let

(48:30):
me get it, like no, no, no, no no. It's
like I'm like the asshole for being like, actually, I'm
doing great right now. So each ship, I'm going to
buy these drinks. Do you know what I mean? Yeah,
I know what you mean. Actually I want if you said, actually,
I'm doing great right now. But each ship, I'm gonna
buy these drinks. That would quite possibly like be the

(48:53):
funniest moment of anything that's ever happened in existence. Like
that is just so funny to me to think about,
Oh my god, I hope you do that sometimes, like really,
because that could bring a lot of joy to a
lot of people feeling really well right now. That's what
we call a gondoleman. I did consider during the pandemic

(49:17):
as a bit getting hair plugs like mid I was like,
how funny would it be when elective surgeries come back
if I just got full on hair replacement surgery for
listeners I'm very bald um full on hair replacement surgery
and and just like never mentioned it to anyone, just

(49:39):
like got really into haircare and just like grew it
out really well. That would be hilarious. I thought you
think it would be so funny, especially because like every
everyone except my childhood friends has known me as like
a bald person. Like I started losing my hair really young.
So it's like I'm not tricking anyone, right now, that's

(50:00):
funny of you just showed up with like an uncle
Jesse hair like hair full on John Stamos, like like
just through tossing it over my shoulders. Oh my god,
that is my wish for you. Also, wow, that's she's
never talking just like act as if because that's what everyone, right,
I feel like publicly nobody is ever like, yeah, I

(50:22):
got hairplugs because I think I look better with hair plugs.
And that's that's fine. I think I like the look.
I like how I look with hair. Every person, which
is like, that's such a reasonable way to say it, right,
I like the way I look this way. So I
did this, like I have a beard because I think
I look a little better with a little beard. So
I grow the beard that you can admit, but like
you can't be like I got hair plugs, and like

(50:43):
so many famous people have done it and then and
they just always seem to act like, Yep, this is
what I've always looked like. Nobody remembers me any other way.
I'm writing this down for my statement for when I
eventually get hairplugs. Josh, who would you say you late
to most one? Billy Medisine to Hubie from Hubie Halloween

(51:08):
or Little Nikki and Happy Gilmore is not a valid
answer or an option choice, so don't even try it, okay. Um,
I mean, like, obviously the answer is um with Howie
from Uncut Gems, who's too invested in the Boston Celtics.
But out of those three choices, um, i feel like

(51:31):
I did pretty well in school, so I'm not really
a Billy Madison type. Didn't corrupt the you know, the
child of a rich businessman and buying for his fortune. Um,
Little Nikki, I feel like I'm I mean, I don't
feel like I'm the devil himself, so I think it's

(51:53):
getting a hum. These drinks are on me. That's a
devil thing to say. I then um, and then with
I think it's going to be huge Halloween, just like
kind of a dip ship from the north shore of josh.
At this point in the interview, I do feel that

(52:15):
there is something I need to reveal to you, and
that is that I never saw on cut Gems because
I do have a very sensitive constitution. I also have
never seen on cut Gems because I have a very
sensitive constitution. Even though it feels like a movie made
specifically to delight me, all the things about it except
for like, it's very stressful, and I'm like, well, that's

(52:37):
not what I want from a movie. Yeah. I heard
it was like so stressful that it like leaves you
stress for a while, and I was like, I'm not
trying to do that. Even though I love Adam Sandler
and I love seeing him break out of like his
normal stuff. I loved him in in Punch Drunk Love. Yes,
He's and that was a stressful movie too. Paul Thomas Anderson, Yeah,

(52:58):
shout out to Paul Thomas Anderson, shout out to the
late Philip Seymour Hoffman, and that that scene where he
like just rips the phone out and goes and finds
him and he's like genius. So good listeners do know
are now long familiar with the story, even though my
podcast just debuted two weeks ago. Um of when Philip

(53:21):
Seymour Hoffman famously got off his bike in front of
Stonewall in to watch me and my boyfriend at the
time fight. Oh no, yeah, that's really funny. He was
staring and we both looked over like who is this
guy looking at us? And and we're like, oh my god,
it's Philip Symore Hoffman. Yeah, he was like studying us

(53:42):
to like he didn't look concerned, he just looked interested. Yeah,
he was like studying for like a fight, maybe on
on a movie. God bless him in peace. Do you
think he was preparing to play a character that was
more like you or more like your boyfriend? I have

(54:03):
no idea. I love the idea of like Philip Seymour
Huffman in like a lost performance. It's just like doing
your voice. What if I was like, definitely me, Josh, Yeah,
he was. Philip Seymour often was studying to play me
as a former Orange County leader. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

(54:30):
you haven't seen the master. He's like doing Blair's whole thing.
The closest I got to the man because he was
witnessing my dysfunction. Okay, Josh, Josh, Josh, would you say
that Kevin James is your favorite person to start opposite

(54:53):
your love Adam Sandler? Why or why not? Gosh, I
don't know. If I've seen many of the Kevin James
Adam Sandler movies. I I always like him playing against
somebody like the god the actor's name he's in Hacks
Now who played Shooter McGavin and Happy Yo So Good,
and Bradley Whitford and Billy Madison like Love and Philip

(55:17):
Philip sy Moore Huffman in punch Runk Club. I like
when he plays against somebody like you know, let Adam
Sailer and Kevin James have fun making movies together, and
Chris Rock and whatever. But like I like when he
plays against like like that kind of eighties nineties slobs
versus snobs kind of vibe. Yeah. Always, I always have
so much fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, so

(55:41):
uh Dear Wilson Exclusive Josh Khanoman not a fan of
Kevin James. Canceled Wilson Exclusive, hold on, he's canceled now
that that um special he did like I mean, this
was like twenty years ago. I think it's called Sweat
this mall stuff. I remember really watching like in high
school and going this guy is so funny. There were

(56:04):
just a couple of bits. I think he had a
bit about the phone number rhythm Kevin James about like yeah,
it's Papapa Bappa Bappa and like someone trying to give
him a phone number that's like four three two five,
And you know what a perfect observation. I think that's
like so so magical when someone takes a thing that

(56:27):
you see every day and it's like hey, what about this,
and you're like what, how have I never considered that?
Like I was talking with the friend recently about how
like the elemental version of that where it's the is
the old like how come you drive on a parkway
and park on a driveway? But like that's so true.

(56:49):
It is true, but like any new version that just
like hits that so hard, like that kind of feeling
of like, yeah, that's fucking weird, and I just do
it every day, Like I know, I give a phone
number by that rivum and it's you know, I just
think that's like such a magical thing to like notice
something that everyone sees all the time and no one

(57:10):
has ever been like, what's up with that? And everyone
immediately was like, yeah, what Okay, So, folks, we have
experienced an extreme flip. Josh is actually an incredible mega
fan of Kevin Jay. Please scrap everything I said. He
is no longer canceled. Okay, goodness. We have come to

(57:35):
the end of our interview and I must asked, Josh,
who would you personally like to see Adam saying they
go next. Wow, that's a good question. I feel like
I would like to see I think I like that
he keeps doing the balance of comedy and drama, like

(57:58):
I think I would. I would the comedies, I think
as I've grown up and he's like I think the
tastes have have my taste is shifted away from like
the movies he makes now a little bit the comedies.
But I would love to keep seeing him making because
I loved his his special that he did a couple
of years ago. I loved his special. And you know

(58:19):
what I thought about that special that was so magical
is that there was so much silliness and heart in it,
Like comedy is so fucking self serious right now? I
was like, it just made me feel joy. I was like, Oh,
there's fun in this. Yes, there's not enough fun in
stand up. I love fun. That's one thing about me.

(58:40):
That's one thing about me Blair that sets me apart
from other people is I like when things are fun. Wow,
what a couple of fun guys are funny acts, a
couple of funions. So I would like, I would like
him to do another special. That's what I would say,
you know, more than anything, I think like that. I

(59:02):
was like because of the kind of the pace at
which he makes movies and like the fact that they're
kind of like big family comedies a lot of the
time that I don't I don't see a lot of those.
But like the I was like, Oh, I wonder what
his special is going to be. He hasn't really done
live performance in a long time. And then I watched
it was like, holy sh it, this is so good,

(59:23):
and so I want another one of those. Yeah, you're right,
I want another one of those. Two. I just think
Adam stand There's like so lovable. I just love him.
I feel like he has a huge heart that you
can just feel emanating throughout everything that he does. Yep,
he just like wants to be good to people. It
seems like or wants people to be kind to one another.

(59:45):
Like really shows up in the work, especially in the comedy.
I think that's so much of the like through line
of it. Um and other people, if they're listening to this,
should be more fun like us, get on our level.
Take a cue from us fun Um. Okay, Josh, God,

(01:00:09):
this has gone by so fast. Blown boy, I can't
believe that we got so deep. We do like to
conclude our episodes with a little segment that we call
fan on the Street tree, and this is where our

(01:00:39):
guests maybe shares a fun anecdote that they might have
of a fun celebrity run in that they've experienced in
their life. Oh sure, okay um. A couple of weeks ago,
I was out walking my dog famous Your dog is famous,
My dog Busy, and I walked her by a bar

(01:01:02):
in our neighborhood and sitting outside where Ethan Hawk and
I assume a friend, and I didn't recognize the second person,
and I reckon I didn't recognize eithern Hawk till my
dog was like up about to sniff them, and I
was like, oh, that's Ethan and I was like, I'm
very sorry. She just thinks you have like sliced turkey
or something. And then Ethan Hawk's friend was like, who's

(01:01:24):
a woman that that I should say? Because I think
this will come off better for what. Oh I thought
she was like a little beer slut, which I thought
was very funny. But she said that, and I think
if a guy had said that, I would have been
downs fucking weird. You could get protective of the Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
just like a weird thing for a guy to say.

(01:01:45):
And uh. And I was like, oh no, no, no,
she's been sober since the odds and uh. And Ethan
Hawk goes, buddy, have you been going to your meetings?
Oh my god, what a fun interaction. It's like a
real good bit. And I was like, have a good night. Yeah,
real snippy from all parties involved. He was like, right

(01:02:06):
on it. My dog is very cute and charming, so
I don't think I can inconvenience them too terribly. Yeah,
it was a good night. Whoa, that's really cool. God, Josh,
this was too fun. Thank you so much for coming
on the Dear Owen Wilson. Thank you for having me, Blair.
It was so nice to chat with you. God, what

(01:02:28):
a time. All right, have a great week everyone, See
you next time.