Ep. 392: Life Is A Catfish (Ft. Kamie Crawford)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Guess what decision we're about to make. Horrible decision, hey,
or have We are hitting the stage baby one night
oh in New York City.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
We haven't done any other shows this year, but Mandy's
leaving for Atlanta, so we decided we need one night
all together in New York City.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's right, So Tuesday, December third, at Sony Hall, we
are bringing you a very very special show that you
do not want to miss. You've never seen this show before.
It's only gonna happen for one night, that's it, so
make sure you get your tickets now. You can go
to the Sony Hall website to get your tickets one

(00:40):
night only with Mandy Be and WEEZYWTF. You can also
check the link in our bio on our Instagram to
get tickets as well.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We cannot wait to see you again.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
That is Tuesday, December third at Sony Hall here in
New York City. Get your tickets now, see you there.
Hey guys, Well, welcome to another episode up. Horrible decision.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I want to wave like this, but why I didn't
know our guest was miss Team.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
That's so that's crazy. My name's Weezy oh yeah, and
I'm Mandy aka full Corporun's aka dead bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And we got our girl, Cammy Crawford on. We met
at a going away party. Yes, wait, yes, somebody Okay,
someone's going away party at Kayla Nicole House. Who's everybody's
fitness goals? Yes, and just left on each other. So
I'm really glad this is our second time even seeing
each other. Yeah, but yeah, did a little bit of googles.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Just show me the wave?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Real girl, I never wave if you see me wave,
I've never waved like that before in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
So how the fuck you got missed to us all?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
That was my first she said. I got to tell
them that I wanted world peace.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, that's that's all. You win, by the way, bitch,
you win by your anthelutes and how you wear dress. Answer.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, you remember.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
My I'm a scorpio. Destruction is always the no. I
My question was, I feel like I got the hardest
question out of all the girls, I'll be honestly, because
you blake always. And it was a black judge that
asked it.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
So I was like, what didn naacp stan far.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
No, she asked me what. By the way, I was
seventeen years old. She asked me, what has been your
greatest contribution to society this far?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Whoa god damn at seventeen.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
That's what I said.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I was like, I go to school, I had a
perfect attendance.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I got not even that.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
What was your answer at seventeen? Your contribution to the
fucking society?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, thankfully, I had been contributing to society at that point,
because when you win your state titled like, you do
a bunch of appearances and stuff like that. So I
was already building a platform off of like talking to
young girls about women's empowerment, being yourself, and so I
was able to talk about that. But I was like, bitch,
you just put me in the trick bag.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Wait, what state wasn't Maryland, Waitzy, What was.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Your contribution at seventeen to society?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Bitch? Taxes?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Because I was going to jail, stopp You went to
jail at seventeen.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I went to jail at fourteen years old for taking
the car out.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I got arrested. Oh, that's not fair.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Then I went to jail fifteen for stealing and sixteen
for a fake ID.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
That's not fair either.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Then I arrested at seventeen in handcuffs, but they didn't
book me and I was.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Fighting, and then twenty one again with the DUI.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I never had ever. Yeah, my license taken away because
my license was suspended.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I've never driven.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I don't agree with what you're going to drive, okay,
but anyway that would be my platform stand Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Taxes okay, axis no. No.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was gonna say, do you like no dead? I
like I for me because I just love to go crazy.
I feel like it's really simple and people will take
care of you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Like I've driven people. I don't know if I see
they're fucked up or like there's just it's easy.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well, now there's no excuse, there's uber Like when I
was going out in my heyday and it was hard,
but you had to call a cab company.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I all the time. I hate when I go back
down South and there's like bragging rights on how great
people drive when they're drunk, and I was like, that
would me. I'm precious cargo BI people do talk like
a hour yeah, and I hate it. I absolutely hate
that conversation. Y'all. If you have friends that are out
here bragging about how great they can drive while they're drunk,
please correct them and make sure that they take ubers.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yes, I got suspended.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
It ain't wear No, my license got taken because I
kept driving on it suspended because I had so many tickets.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
And honestly, the system really.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Sets you up though.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So at first you get one ticket, you can't afford
to pay it, so obviously you got to drive so
you can afford to pay it off, right, And I
think what kind of happens when you're in those early
years is like you're almost defaulting on one bill out
of time.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, my rents paid.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I didn't pay those tickets, but sorry, because my rent's paid,
right right. If hate the tickets, my phone might cut off.
But it's always kind of like going through that shit.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
But everything is a racket.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I think if I were to compete in a pageant today,
first of all, they wouldn't allow me because I'm too vocal,
But like, I think that my platforms would be a
little bit different. I still obviously love to empower women
and make women feel great about themselves. Everything I do
is for the bitch as always, but there's a lot
more ship out there in this universe.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I think at seventeen, I'm trying to think. I think
for me, it would just be more so like my mom,
we used to do uh we used to volunteer for
the special Olympics. Yeah that at.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
The time that we did it. Yeah, and it would
be like a full day. It was fun.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Me and my sisters would go with my mom. She
really liked us to do that. And then I was
in all the like clubs in school. So I was
in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I listen, don't do that. I was just in all
of the.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
School clubs and tutoring and ship because I was smart. Yeah,
so I would just be like that, I'm trying to
help these niggas graduate.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
You know, so many people I got into a pageant today,
I would use it as this little trick to tell
everybody about Palace. Well, that's probably why we're such in
a political landscape right now. I can't imagine what the
hell because we can't keep saying world peace. That shit
ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Let's be reallyting is soldier dine war bitch? Nobody ever
has to say world peace. But there is a certain
level of political correctness that you have to have. We're
taught First of all, it has taught me so much
about interviewing and like being concise, but it has also
taught me about at the time that you had to
see both sides of every issue, so whether or not,

(06:26):
you know, if it was anything political, you had to
appeal to everyone because you're supposed to be everybody's princess.
You're not just one person's princess, and you have to
get an entire group of judges to vote. You should
be their prince.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
So you got to be.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
So you have to be a little bit.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's trash. You can't even yourself.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
You have to you know.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
I recently became cool with el who was Miss Usa?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Uh huh? Who was she? The first black Miss Usa? No?

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Okay, I know, yeah, yeah, But anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
When I met her, uh went out had jacs. You
went to black Coffee the DJ. I don't I know
if he I think that was a cafe. Yeah, but
we are, And every time I'm around her, I'm like, damn,
she seems so nice, so easy going. Even while having
a drink, attitude didn't change. And I really do think
people that do pageants kind of just have to have that.

(07:14):
Even kill you have to you can see how everybody
likes you.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
You have to have a mask. You have to have
a mask.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
That sounds miserable.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
It took me a long time and a lot of therapy,
even though it was my first pageant to unlearn and
undo that because it was hindering my work as a TV.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes, wow, it sounds miserable.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, that's how I got to find your page again
was through your TV show being on Catfish. Literally I
think it had just been I don't know if it
was modeling shit, But how else.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Do people know you besides Catfish?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
A lot of people have been following me since my
missed ten USA day, So since I was seventeen, I'm
thirty two. I was like, I'm grown out, okay, and
then Catfish was like that was my big break. So
people definitely started knowing me then that.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Grow off Catfish. Bitch, listen, I wrong over do that.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
They needed it, right, They needed it because the two
white men and one white man left and it was
only one white man.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
We need some There needed to be any female energy period.
Actually that's a good point, like it just needed to
There's a certain level of understanding and things that we
can sense that they admitted like as guys, they just
didn't get.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
When I was on Twitter at the time, I was
suspended now, but I remember when.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
You got to know you have a lot of suspensions.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I'm from Florida.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
That clears it up.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yes, But my one tweet about you was people started
to be like, oh, I'm clicking on her video. I
don't know if she's gonna be this or that, And
I remember reposting it. But I'll give a fucking that
bitch boring. That's what I want to say.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh, I love about it.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
When you get to see a win, it doesn't matter
if you know that person or not.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
To show we all grew up with so it's like,
oh wow, I'm just so happy you were part of
that journey.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So we're gonna do some little icebreakers with you. And
this is what I came up with.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
This is would you rather but catfish? So I'd like
to know celebrity crash know you got a man, but
if he can't exist, who would be I don't like anything.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
We don't want to hear that ship.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Here's the thing. I think that after I got into
certain spaces and you actually see these people in real life,
you're like.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Nope, I didn't do that with methad Man.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, nope, actually not relate.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I did not.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I cannot relate.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I SKEPTI come in a house. DJ made it worse.
Skepta is fine, boom, here we go. St it is
shorter than me, that's all.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
So like that.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
He is not shorter than No, no, no, kept it all.
Now you must be you want to show there ain't
no way any man almost says that there's six feet okay, no,
no subtraction says six foot. He's not six feet tall.

(09:54):
I say this all the time. It's not okay, No,
I'm not gonna lie. They say, doesn't sent me.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
They say that one he is not listen.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Alanson does not even hit side for the plot. I
didn't know. Fine, so it was small.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I've never seen the man face to face, I think,
because I know he's not tall enough.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Fine six two on his profile. And y'all were about
to meet instead, you know you're about to get catfished.
What would be your best catfish scenario? A A really
hot woman or B a five foot one version of skeptic.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's hilarious to her.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
That might be already well I mean yeah, I mean yeah,
I don't you know. I'm not into girls, so even
if you are a hot woman, I might want to
put my hands on you. So I think that it
would be better if he was five one.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You really want.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Oh my god? You know it's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
On Wikipedia.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
It's so unfortunate because I love it for everybody else.
Like one of my best friends who's a lesbian, when
she first like broke up with her husband, got with
her first bitch.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I was like, bitch, tell me everything. She started telling
me everything. I was like, that doesn't sound like fun.
I also really appreciate straight girls that you know, how
people are so fluid or maybe just in the ethos
where in But I had a conversation with a girl
who told me she was bisexual. And this is also
something that is not as PC to say, right, she's

(11:33):
never had sex with a woman, she's thirty, okay, but
she said she's bisexual. I was like, see, right, curious,
She's like, no, I'm bisexual. I'm not going to debate
her sexuality because I have definitely been gay men that
never had.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Sex with a man.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, but I do think sometimes women can get attraction
to women and just boom on bisexual now and or
get this label. Or it's really easy to have this
fluidity in a time where it's so welcome. So sometimes
I do kind of like hearing a girl being like
I don't want to but.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I know I don't. I just know. I just know
I wouldn't be very good at it. I think I
would be great at it if I wanted to do it,
but I don't want to do it, So.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
You don't have to do anything.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
I'll just show up so anyway, like, I'll just be
air and I'll be like, girl, I just you know
I love my puss, okay, And that's the only one
you could say.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's it for me. I'm good And unfortunately, yes I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I be mad at myself that I'm by How do
I like these niggas?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I don't upset. I don't wanted to on my motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
This is I myself, Like, damn, why is my monm
like this?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I don't even want you.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
I'm waiting for the aliens to come, is why I
say all the time, waiting. Being queer is not a choice.
It's not because being straight is not a choice because
if I had a choice, you think.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
That I would choose you. Man? Well, sorry, sorry, in
a room full of men, realize we hate that we love.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I say this to my man all the time. I'm
too you.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
See.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
The thing that's interesting is, uh so, Mandy and I
are writing this book and our co writer is helping,
and she talked about how I talk about my ex
girlfriend and every chapter and she's like, it's actually your
nicest chapter about someone, and I was like, because that
was the healthiest relationship, and that bit drove with me
writings nown but like, women really treat each other better.

(13:26):
Moments where we would get angry and maybe say things
we didn't mean. Immediate accountability, Like it's so much easier
because you're not trying to break down and having someone
understand your feelings that I would say is the baseline
for a lesbian relationship.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
That helps.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
There can be miscommunication, but understanding the emotions really helps.
That's what gets women hurt a lot. Yeah, I feel
like someone's mistreating you women know when.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Or like purposefully misunderstanding whatever you're trying to say.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I do just because we have so many male listeners
and I'm recently experiencing something new with actor Bay. It's
been a breath of fresh air to have met someone
so emotionally intelligent. Like we haven't had sex and we
haven't met yet, but nigga, we don't both cry to
each other on the phone.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Wow, we don't talked about our traumas.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
We didn't talk like, we didn't debate it pop cultry
and it's just like whoa Like even yesterday, I had
a long day because I had to be on set
and he hit me and he's on West Coast time,
but he hit me and he said, listen, I don't
want you to think I'm ignoring you today.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
It's a really bad day for me.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And so just before I could even feel like, he
just goes to me because we be talking for two
three hours on the phone every day.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
He oh wow, I done got drunk and called him
cry like we've done hoard our hearts and our trauma.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
So I'm gonna be knowing birthdays. I don't do the
sign talk, so I haven't done that he has what
is his birthday? Let me?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I love female?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Because I could I can actually google?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Are you No? I think I could not.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I think it's I think it's been interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Like, I know, we have this idea that men a
lot of men aren't, let's be very, but the ones
that are that emotionally in tune or find safety in
opening up to us as women, it becomes a different
level of attachment in chemistry that to me, I'm just like,
I'm a little scared to fuck him because then what
what if the dick's bad? I've already like I'm right now,

(15:23):
I'm a little I'm not gonna lie. Man. You need
to meet him quick. Oh, I'm gonna meet him next month,
So one, two, okay, six one or two? He actually
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I'm gonna meet him with flats.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Just to be safe. You are five, don't do this.
I am when I put on heels, I am, I am,
thank you. I am six four with hills flat.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
You are the flat this we're okay. So I'm gonna
get into our Vanella show.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Wait when is when is?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Let me see you don't say it that low? What
sign is that?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Oh he's a taurust Oh you're going oh.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yes, okay, don't get it an argument. My ex girlfriend's tourists.
My current boyfriend's a taurists. Tis because my ex girlfriend
of the same tourists are great.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh yeah, that's too much.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I beleeve that far.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm already like, okay, there's too much there. The bitch
just narrow to day.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Nobody got time for that. Don't be We're just gonna
keep saying the thing we're bleeping out.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh sorry, this is anyway I got it.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Does anyone remember the Joe Biden thing with the sister
and the brother.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
In law something, Yes, one of the niggas died and
then he started sucking on the wife.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yes, yes, for like Joe Biden's brother.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I think died or no, one of some died and
then the brother took over the.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Band it started taking fucking the wife.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So okay, let me explain this to the audience, like
we are real podcasters here, well in our vanilla shit
this week, that's actually not what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
But we are talking.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
About a widow, a grieving widow who was praised for
sleeping with her brother in law in a total mess.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
So she went on a website called Mom's Net. Oh
asked his sons, by the way, So it was the
sons of Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, yes, because the widow the widow ended up
dating the brother hunter or the one who passed one.
So the one who passed was married. Oh that wife
started dating the brother so yes. That came up while
I was on vacation in Mexico. So where are just I.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Think me and my man were drinking chilling and we
were talking about the Joe Biden thing and I was like, Yo.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Serious question, Oh here we go.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
We have two children. Something happens to you. He has
two brothers.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm like, maybe it's not your brothers, but maybe there's
a cousin or someone.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Would you rather me? No, of course it's a no.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
But the thing.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
That we ended up talking about was cultural.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
So he's Nigerian, so basically he was like, I said, Yo,
I can either meet a new dude or your children
can literally have their father be the uncle they've known
for years. What would be more comfortable our money tied
up assets home? Who would you trust more to take
over your family unit that you've built? He said no,

(18:28):
but in Nigeria it's very common for the husband's brother
to take over. He's like, so that Joe Biden shit
in Africa is something that like, Yo, it's literally like
a guy dies.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
You take in the family.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
But how do you do you have to take in Yeah, right,
I think it just happened naturally.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You can anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Okay, So the woman gets on this website and says
how her husband of twenty three years suddenly died fourteen months.
She was left with three kids twelve thirteen, fifteen. She said,
it was so devastating sudden death, and so basically she
started to try to get the kids close to his
brother for a father figure. He'd been separated for six

(19:14):
years and not in contact, not in a relationship. She
goes on to explain that three grilled children recently started
spending more time with their grandparents, so they all became
a family.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Like a trauma bond though, Like he's grieving his brother,
you're grieving your husband or father of your children.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And now and now it's just.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
A trauma bond because you share this same You know
that this person understands your pain and grieving at the
same time.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
This is a healthy though, she said. After a few drinks,
we got emotional, me and one thing left to another.
We slept together and he.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Probably looks like his brother too.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
And then a drunken stupor it could have been it
could have been a husband, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
You So basically, she was writing on the site moms
Dot saying they were both confused. She feels like a
horrible person for what she's done. Eighty six percent of
the comments were telling her that what she did was
complicated and painful, but encouraged her to pursue it if
it felt right, accepting that loneliness is normal in grief,

(20:16):
but dealing with grief is weird. It doesn't necessarily mean
he may not be the person for you.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Here's the thing, though, those shit those kids are what
twelve thirteen fifteen, where they're bonding You know, they do
need no, they need no no, let me finish.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
They need a father figure.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Sure, but they're old enough to also know that this
is my dad's brother. Yeah. So I think that part
of where you as a mom could cause a lot
of damage to these children now being in a romantic relationship,
which one is worth twelve thirteen fifteen. They got to
have some memories they can remember with you, dad.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, you're trying to replace their dad with the way
more words get you a little boyfriend that they don't
hate for a little bit until they.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Like him, the uncles, the daddy's giving, grandma's the baby.
It's not cute. There's king way. And by the way,
if this was on the other foot and it was
the wife that had died and the husband now is
dating the fucking sister, if that was my fucking sister, yeah,
it doesn't matter. First of all, Fly, you're not related

(21:23):
to me at all. I've already said to my man,
God forbid something happens to me. Anybody tells you that
I would have wanted you to be happy is a
fucking liar. I will come back from the grave and
every time you try to get it up, I'm gonna
be like, well.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, absolutely not. Here's the flip side. I don't have siblings.
So my man said to me, if you had a sister,
would you do that? Like you you're not gonna want
to be one of your homegirls. I'm like, actually, if
my kids got used to an auntie, I would say,
I don't know Brianda or so.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
But I don't want to goddamn kids.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I still don't want kids open to change. I don't
want kid on Like I'll tell you now, I'm not
taking over nobody else's kids. So anyway. My point is
someone I'm close to.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
That I don't want nobody else kids.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I was like, yo, because Brianda is just my most Like,
where are the two that talk about kids all the
time together? She's like, I was like, I actually feel
like I would want her over any other woman, and
I think I would be.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like, yeah, okay, no, I have five sisters. You see,
I have two sisters. All of you die early, I will,
I want make sure, I mean, and luckily one of
my sisters is lesbian, so I ain't really got to
worry about that. But I would not want my sister
or any of my relatives dating my former partner in

(22:47):
any capacity. No. No, every morning you will wake up
with a nose yet, No, I don't want that at all.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
And a toothache.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well, finally, we need to get you in your sexy mode.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
The ghost of me is a vicious bitch. Everything I
couldn't do on Earth I'm doing with Scorpy lady.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Right, that's where at our sex tip. Now, okay, our
horridor this week is yours, and we need to know.
I don't even want a dating tip. Bitch, you like
dig so much, tell us what to.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Do with it? Oh what is doing in her thirties?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Now?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Tell us your best sax tip ooh, best sex tip?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Have it, have a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I like that, what got you to what got you
to the movie? What would you do? Oh?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I mean, well, listen, I'm just very very upfront, and
I've realized being in my early thirties like that is
such a powerful stage of life to be in. You
know exactly what the fuck you want. I honestly can't
wait to be forty because I feel like the bitches
who are forty really exactly I feel that you want,
like there's no fear in getting older to me. But

(23:58):
when I turned thirty, I was like, oh no, this
is what I'm gonna accept, this is what I want.
I told my man when I first started dating him, like,
I'm not dating you to be your girlfriend. Now? Are
we boyfriend and girlfriend? Technically? Yes? But my mom prides
herself on the fact that she raised wives. I have
five sisters. She's like, all y'all are wifey material, So

(24:18):
don't have any of these fucking scraggly ass men whoever
treating you like anything other than what you are. So
I was very very clear. I was like, yes, I
fuck with you, but if you're not dating me with
intention to marry, I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Oh hold on, because we all want to build on this.
Give me a sex tip and then we gotta go.
What's the sexy sex tip is? I think I've just
stopped being afraid to be myself. Like I'm a fucking
scorpio bitch. I want to say the things, I want
to make the noises, I want to do my shit.
I'm going to be myself. I like that.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
I'm not going to like be a afraid to say
the thing. But sometimes you have partners that make you suppress,
like the primal instincts that you have, you know, or
even just like as a woman who dates men, like
smells or like being out and like you know, being
like oh I need to go back and like shower

(25:18):
and like.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
No, that was me.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
I was just like that.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
It's so annoying.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's like that man go take you as you are
anyway I know, and if he does him, I do listen,
they will take I don't listen.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
That's why, my man.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
So I'm glad you brought this up because you made
a comment to me that you were a serial girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yes, and I really want to know what.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
The secret to that is for people that feel like
they can't get to that point. I've had so many
situationships and I'm like, buh hm. I feel like it's
because I'm a serial girlfriend. So to elaborate, I'm the
girl that's like if I like a nigga, I just
fall into it. Yeah, and it becomes more difficult for

(26:03):
me to kind of snap out of it. And we've
had episodes where we've talked about that and like, you know,
I could be someone that's doing too much, but it's
because I'm so used to this role. So tell me
how someone can maybe get over the line to getting
into committed relationship since you have been a serial girlfriend
and Soma raised wise.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
She did Meanwhile, I'm trying to graduate to the wife part.
But it's it's coming.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I've never watched this four show.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
It's coming. I I feel like, So when I say
serial girlfriend, I've been in relationships for most of my life.
Once I once I became a girlfriend at thirteen. Well, yeah,
I've had my first boyfriend in the eighth grade. He
was white, his name was Noah. He did like motocross
in life, like the Jacketary yeah, maybe I didn't know

(26:51):
shit about it. But I started listening to some forty
one and just like that came I was like, this
is my lifestyle blank one eighty two, and then after
that it was like boyfriend after boyfriend after boyfriend after boyfriend.
I can't necessarily say that I always did it in
the most healthy way because I think a lot of
people in general, but women especially like we mentally check

(27:14):
out before we actually like break up. I've never been
broken up with. I've always done the breaking up ever ever?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Ever? Car what what? What?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
What?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
What were the reasons that you broke up with these partners?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And did they see it coming?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I saw it, saw it.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I always saw it way in advance. But I just
like had a fear of being alone, to be honest,
like had a fear of like what else is even
out there?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Hey, but maybe you didn't if you did the breaking up.
I think that's what can be from breaking up and
staying in relationships.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I shouldn't have. I think I had a fear of
being alone without saying it out loud.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Oh yeah, it wasn't something. I mean, I didn't say
it out loud. I definitely didn't know.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I mean like even in my head, but did you
break up with those boyfriends then with someone immediately ready
to replace? Oh? Girl, you were cheating.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's how you knew it was over because you were
emotionally cheating one.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
And I didn't recognize that until I got older, until
I got out of my last relationship and didn't have
anybody lined up, and I was like, wait, where's the bench.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Where's the roster?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
What's your time frame for like when you're or are
you bringing this up on first second date? Being like
I'm looking for a relationship, Like are you letting things
kind of just vibe out?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like how do you think you're especially with this last
relationship you said.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
You w this was very intentional. This was totally this
was anything else I've ever done. Okay, well, even when
I met my ex, it was like I was out,
like I was single, but I was like I had
decided that I was going to have my whole face
for the first time in my life, and then I
got in a relationship, so it just you know. But
I will say also to preface this that I felt
like even when I was single, when I was dating,

(28:56):
when I was meeting guys, I never and this is
going to sound like a flex but there's another side
to it. I've never really had men who have approached
me and been like, I would love to take you out.
It's always been you're my future wife, I want to
marry you. Like guys have gotten down on one knee
in the street, which is weird, Okay, very weird, very strange,

(29:16):
love bombing one thousand percent. They're probably all pisces men.
But but I will say that even with that, guys
can say whatever the fuck they want, but it doesn't
necessarily mean that they're ready for that person. Like, just
because you are a wife in their eyes doesn't mean
that they're actually ready for that. And there are a
lot of guys who not to say that I wanted

(29:38):
or didn't want, but like guys that I was interested
in where it's like, oh, you're actually not even ready
for me, So you're gonna keep doing what the fuck
is that you want to do in front of my
face or behind my back. You're not actually ready for
a wife, So like, stay where you are, So what.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Does that look like? What is a man not ready
for a wife?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
You're just want to be out here and that's fine,
Like that's totally fine, but guys will people will tell
you that they are ready for one thing, but then
do another. So you have to be able to decipher
between the time.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I don't want to be vague here because I really
want to. Like if you said a man just wants
to be out here, right, I know a lot of
times maybe a woman who likes to go out isn't
seemed as wifey material. So are you saying that a
man is not ready to be a husband if he
enjoys being out in the clubs or like not.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
The bars be out?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
What does be out me?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
I want you to be outside. I want you to
I want you to get it all out. But if
you are fucking twenty bitches and telling me that I'm
your future wife, maybe you're not actually ready.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, you're out here? You No, I'm just thinking outside invisible.
So I had like i've been loving. I realized, I
don't know what this means. I think outside is on time.
I got insulted once when someone said I was out
here because I thought it meant like, oh, bit, you've
been fucking.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
A lot of time.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, that's that's why I don't what is.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Like you're outside? Like I walk in the rooms and
I loved it. I ain't got bodies in them in
like that shit feel good. Niggas don't really know who
I'm fucking right, Like that's like, so no, I don't
like to me, mix it to me, and that's what
I'm thinking of, Like I know when I'm When I
was my best friend, there was a guy that she
was dating, and he had to be at brunch every
Sunday with his boys, and he liked clubbing, and so

(31:18):
she felt like he wasn't ready for a relationship because
he was outside in those spaces. Even if he wasn't
fucking on bitches, he liked being outside. So that's why
I wanted to ask, because no, I don't I like
being outside. But I'd be like, I'm networking. Actually this
is worse.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think I think we put a lot of judgment
on the volume of how often someone goes out. I've
made a lot of like comments on Instagram that a
lot of girls don't like, maybe because I'm more aggressive
with it, but I'm just like, bitch, nobody gives a
fuck if you're proving to us you're.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Home on Saturday. Yeah, Like, stop posting the.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Book and thinking someone's gonna be excited by that.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
No one gives a fuck.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
It's fine to have fun when I'm single. I'm outside
having fun. I'm out all the time.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I just think it's silly to think you should be
wasting your time at home. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
just I don't care how you are in your forties
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I really do think we should be social.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think it's healthy for us start making community, beating
out with your friends, trying to prove to men or
a partner that doesn't exist that you're this homebody. Like,
if you are a homebody, cool, But I find that
a lot of it is performative.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I think if women got the invites to go out.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I think if women had things on the social calendar,
they would be doing them. But you trying to tell
me you home on a Saturday night in New York
Fashion Week. I know you wouldn't invited a nothing.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Well, here's the thing. Your person is not going to
find you on your couch at home. But your person
you might not also find.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Them in the club unless you're open to dating your
Uber eats driver, right, which some people are. Some people
might be forget. But yeah, I think the problem.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
With data and apps who don't have this conversation with
We were talking about how awkward it can be to
have conversations with men sometimes after the data apps, and
we were all attributing it to the age of the
Internet and a lot of my friends and relationships even
and if they met their partner online, talked about how
they were out kind of exercising that flirting and doing

(33:06):
things like that. That homebody shit really can be weird.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
My boyfriend and I met on We met on Riyah
and we went on our first date the next day
after wematched I think too think I think that's important
to do it quick, do it quick, not to just
around with me, not to be wasting It was like,
what are we doing, Let's go on a date.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I mean, and it still can end in failure, Like
I went on with a couple literally I was in
dr while we really matched and then as soon as
I got back we set a date. I when it
got tested like it happened fast. But I loved how
fast it happened too, because we're not wasting.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
No, I think that's really intense, especially on a dating app.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
What are we here for it? Not for penal my
man asked to call me on the app.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Within maybe four or five messages, Yes, same hold on FaceTime,
and I was like, I got my bott on. He
was like, dude, because he got dreads. See, but I
did think it was strange. She wanted to talk so quick.
Obviously over time now disgusted and he's like, Yo, I'm
on the phone with a girl on the straw. I'm
off it you Like, I don't want to do it,
Like even if I just want to fuck.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Of this awkwardness in person that may not be attractive
to me.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
We can't even vibe on the phone.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
There's no way it's just going to get that much better.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
So I can totally understand that, and I also implore
anybody listening who's using the apps just try that out.
Even voice messages if you're not ready for a phone call,
can be helpful because you can't. The voice props on
Hinge have made me swipe blood.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Oh some of them are so cringe what my sisters
have showed me, and I'm like, what the fuck even
is this? I don't know that would be my pageant platform,
actually talking to men about their fucking profiles because this
shit is disgusting. But I will say that when it
comes to like intention and like I'm not, I think

(34:51):
that obviously we're talking amongst each other, so I'm telling
you what my mindset is. But I don't feel that
to have this like wife title or to be wiped
up or to be in a relationship, you don't need
to sit up on a first date and be like,
I'm a wife, I'm at this, I'm a that. Okay, Well,
if you are, then why are you not in a relationship?
Why are you on this date? You know, it's an

(35:13):
energy that you have to bring and a certain level
of self respect and boundaries. I think I just feel like,
you know, even when you're going on dates like that's great,
but don't cut yourself off to every other option. You
are a hot fucking commodity. You are the prize and
you should always remember that.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Build on this, CAMMI, because people in relationships sometimes then
get that confidence and we can all be humbled very quickly. Yeah,
being happy in a relationship today, that motherfucker can be
a monster tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
And to me, that confidence and that humility you have
to have and that value you suddenly feel when getting
wiped up quote unquote, if it goes away, you still
have to.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
You have to still have it. I had it, but
when I was single, I'm gonna have it now. I
got out of my last relationship feeling very confused and
like like I had been blindsided basically, and I did
a lot of self work and that is what made
me ready and prepared for my next relationship. It wasn't
just because like, oh, I was raised this way and

(36:12):
I was I'm fucking the sports illustrated on Sue model, Like,
of course you should want to fucking wipe me up.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
No, I've done fucking therapy, deep fucking therapy.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Besides therapy, just one quick thing that's to make it long.
What self work has looked like for you, besides therapy,
because I think therapy is an easy answer that some
people really don't take or apply.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Yeah, accountability for my actions, being able to say, okay, yes,
I was emotionally cheating in my last relationships. I was
preparing myself for the next relationship, even if I wasn't
flirting mentally checking out, but still being in a relationship
with somebody while allowing somebody else to say sweet things

(36:54):
to me is fucked up. I wouldn't like it if
it was the other way around. Knowing that my daddy
issues were a big part of my problem, feeling like
everybody's replaceable and okay, you want to go fine, bye,
that's not a way to treat people, you know. So
I had to take a certain level of accountability and
look at myself and be like, Okay, these are the

(37:15):
things that I need to change. I don't need to
be dismissive of my man's feelings. I need to do
self work. I need to figure some shit out. Because therapy,
your therapist can talk to you for a hour every
single week, it doesn't mean that you're actually applying.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah I was gonna. I don't know if you're done
and talk about accountability, but I know. One of the
things that I first recognized within myself was I've dated
habitual cheaters to the point where I then didn't want
to see anything I did wrong because I was hurt. Well,
if I did X, y Z, it doesn't matter because
they did this to me first. That was my constant

(37:49):
trope of if you lied and cheated, what I did
next didn't matter. Yeah, it took me a lot of
time to kind of realize, like, that's toxic because I
even leave.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
When you did it.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, I recognizing your own toxicity, Like, yeah, the other
person could have fucked up five million more times more
than you, but you still have a certain level of kind.
Nobody's perfect. Nobody's perfect. Even the bitch had looks perfect
on the ground.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
That'shit.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
I fucking issues.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I mean, I'm talking about this in the book now.
I mean, for me, a lot of my me not
getting in a relationship was because I had niggas with
money that I had to depend on. I was fucking
with niggas to make sure my bills were paid, and
so I couldn't have a boyfriend because I wasn't gonna
cheat on them with the men that were helping me
either get through school or pay my bills, and that.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Was just an easier way.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
I think that there was a lot of lack of
self worth in my twenties, with the lack of confidence
with my weight, with the lack of confidence financially and
where I was in terms of financial stability, and so
it was just easier to be number two or the
side chick and get everything I thought I wanted because
I didn't have to show up and be I didn't

(38:56):
have to cook meals, I didn't have to sit here
and tell you the truth. I didn't know to do
any of that because I could just kind of move
how I needed to move. But it wasn't It was
me just lacking the self worth in knowing that I
deserved to have my person where he valued me and
where he was honest with me and where we could
have open communication. I think it's even harder now navigating

(39:18):
what a relationship looks like knowing that I do want
to be in a ethically non monogamous one. So the
idea that, damn, am I leaning into the hierarchy of
then just being the primary? And what does that really do?

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Like?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Am I still going to technically be number two? If
I'm allowing my partner to see other people? I'm battling
that now, but I know that that's maybe why it
took so long for me to have my first relationship.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, but that's also it comes with wisdom, Like having
that level of wisdom. We didn't have that shit when
we were in an early twenties fucking around and finding
out like nobody.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
All just said and me too included.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's funny because I feel like I've had so many
moments in my early twenties where it's like people just
start trying to prove how much they love themselves. I'm like,
bitterly all hate yeah, And I really appreciate that now
I'm in this age of vulnerability because one of my
favorite things a friend ever said to me.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
His name is Brandon Allen. We started sex sells together
and we were on the phone.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
I was like, I fucking hate this shit. I'm like,
He's like, what's wrong. I was like, I'm just fat today, Bro.
I really like being able to talk to someone like this.
Fuck the fat phobic shit. Put just let me talk
in here. I feel like this, I feel like that
I hate my hair. He's like, yo, I love saying
I hate myself. He's like, sometimes it feels almost like
it's empowering to just like say I hate my fucking job.

(40:38):
Like whatever it is, because there's a little bit of
overdosing of positivity that sometimes you really want to know
what you want to improve. And maybe it's that New
Yorker like cynicism sometimes, but it can be a little
bit freeing. And I don't think I got to understand
that self worth thing because I had such blinders on
of trying to prove that I loved who I was.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I really needed to figure out what it was that
I did. Yes, that that is what I worked on.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
That's what I worked on that no therapist could fucking
way that mirror, girl, you have to sit in that
shit and guess what else taught me that being with
a good fucking man, being in a good relationship with
a solid man who's honest with you and doesn't fucking
play games and is intentional with your feelings was the
scariest thing that I've ever done, Scarier than getting out

(41:23):
of any relationship, because I really had to be like, fuck,
like I thought I did the work. I thought I
was doing self work. I thought that I knew where
I was going. But I still have so much more
to do, Because why am I about to crash the
fuck out off of the smallest thing that this man
has said to me that isn't even negative, Like you
have to, you have to because we love someone figure

(41:45):
it out. Feedback yes, and you're like, oh, okay, the
things that are bubbling up inside of me have nothing
to do with you, right, It has everything to do
with me, so I still have things that I need
to worry.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
What you're experiencing is interesting because that saying it's a
health relationship. The ways in which men would try to
tell me about myself always came when they.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Were angry with me, not to be helpful.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
And I recently had this experience where I was crashing
out in a work and like family moment, and it
was this long conversation of like, you feel fulfilled from
busyness because all the busyness does is put a mask
over your real issues. So then you get to have
another accolade that makes you feel like you're better at
what you're doing when you still have this that's unfinished,

(42:28):
whether it be an organizational thing or whatever it is.
A new accomplishment doesn't fix the problem right here.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I a lot, do you? I like, don't even telling
me that?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yeah, of course. Oh let's go.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
On a different on a different wavelength with this. How
has public or private kind of helped your relationship? And
I want to talk generally because everyone listening may not
be a public figure, but privacy with relationships, whether it
be the things you share it to your friends or
the things you share to social media, tell me how public.

(43:04):
Everybody always doys making your relationship public, runs it, but
maybe some of the ways that it may have been healthy,
or just share a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, because I know you be high in the.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Hig I do. I wizard killing my man all the time.
Chop it off like I just And this is why,
because a lot of people will look at it and
be like, oh, she's afraid that if she posts her
man's face, the bitches are going to be in his
DMS or whatever. People have fucking said that to me. Right,
I have no concerns about that. Do not give a
fuck it. When you can take my man, then you

(43:32):
can take my man.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Oh I don't give a shit, right, see you later.
That's the confidence before, in the middle and after a relationship.
I'm still gonna have it.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Does he post you? No, he doesn't disagree. He does.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
He posts workshit. I told him from the beginning that
I wasn't going to post him. Okay, that was my conversation.
He completely respected it. And here's why I think that,
whether you're a public facing person or not, you can
really late to having taken a photo with or posted
a photo with your partner when you know y'all weren't

(44:08):
in a good fucking place or even not even just
a partner of yourself taking a smiling selfie when you
were just bawling your eyes out five.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Seconds, I'll be hot in my body.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
And we all do it. We all. This is why
I say life as a catfish. We all do it.
We only want to put out the best versions of
ourselves all the time. We do, like that's just how
we are. And I was looking back at how many
times I had posted pictures in my previous relationships, knowing

(44:39):
damn well that we were either beefing at the moment,
immediately beefing before, or immediately beefing after.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I've had an immediately beef after. I never posted someone
while we were beefing, but I've definitely like posted stories
when I was my ex and I lived into Loom
together during the pandemic, like you would have fun, and
then maybe ten minutes later, I was like, damn yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
But you kind of like are in and out of that,
and you're like, well, we're gonna get out of it,
so like it's still true, like I still love.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Did you look back at those photos that you posted
and then questioned yourself like, why the fuck did I
post this?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Then?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Am I in this relationship for society's perception of me
being happy in a relationship and me being a girlfriend
or what is my reason for sharing this with.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sat part right, because I haven't posted anything. I posted
a video of him rubbing my feet like in a
little carousel, and it was just because it was kind
of fun and sexy, and yeah, but I did have
a little insecurity of I wonder.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
If people think this brings me value.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
But also that's an insecurity itself, because it's like Nigga,
I've posted myself in a bathing suit and people probably
think I want the validation I do.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Duah, I look good, So yeah, I'm gonna post that.
The comments are on and but that is very very real,
like I And it's not that I don't post my
boyfriend because all of our moments are bad. All of
our moments are actually fucking amazing. We don't fight. We've
been together for two years. We have conversations, we don't argue.
We've had I can count on one hand how many
times we've actually argued.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
That's healthy, but I call it disagreements.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Disagreements. We don't fight.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
We disagree.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I mean, you got a hear on me, but I'm
gonna hold you. I've definitely fought with men within the year.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
Yeah, oh for four months, and by four months, I'm like,
it's surprised, but that's the time, that's the reality, and
you're still posting and you're still it's fake.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
I feel like everybody, everybody's doing it. I'm gonna keep
And I also know people who are posting family photos
and all this ship when they I know, what the
fuck is going on in your relationship?

Speaker 1 (46:42):
What do you What are some of the arguments that
in four months, like, oh, I'm.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Curious insecurities Okay, not even I mean I've had a
man argue with me about the fact that I wanted
to wear leggings one time, Like these are the things
that these are precursors that we should be paying attention
to and red flag that we missed. But I have
chosen to protect what is sacred to me because I
don't have to prove anything to anybody.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
You think, I mean thinking, what.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Were my earliest arguments about men, my male friendships, their insecurities,
possibly horrible decisions I've.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Really because of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Being shared the yeah a guy that I.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Was as if they didn't know that you did that before, Like.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Dating a stripper and being like, I don't want you
to be in the strip club no more, you know what,
the like I'd be like, man, this is the taraground.
It's not even me, but no, I mean, it's this thing.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I would catch myself trying to I don't I never
said that.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I'm just joking here, but I mean I would try to,
but I was trying to deflect, like not, well, the
whole stories are old.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Oh well we interview people now.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I would find myself saying these things to try to
cover up something that is ridiculous because the women that
are here listening and the men that are here listening
in the dems, M okay, they're appreciating my vulnerability and
how out and loud and proud I am.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That's the premise of the show. But I would find
myself progressing.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
And it's easier in my thirties and comparatively speaking from
the twenties on this show, because it's never like I
wasn't proud about it.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I was, yeah, I just became victim to the patriarchy.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
In those conversations when my self worth was being questioned
by someone else based on me doing what I think
is liberating. It was tough, and I now have really
letting that go. I've had some great relationships now with
men and dating experiences where I see how proud they
aren't excited by what I do.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Hate to admit it.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
My man's a real estate investor, But the best ones
for me have been men entertainment. They've completely respected. They'd
be like, oh yeah, because they get it. They can
look at a clip of me talking about another dick
and be like yoa sha it was hilarious, whereas another
dude who maybe isn't in the space of performance, thinks
I'm missing.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
The day and I can't explain not to you.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
You're never gonna be not sometimes I'm missing it.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Fuck you mean. I'd be like, bitch, I'm reminiscent. Don't camera.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Thought it was like a drum, But also that's that's
real too.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's so crazy because one of our clips, uh, from
one of our old episodes just went around and it
was like, have you ever thought of another dick while
you were fucking someone else? Yes, we are human beings
that have compared though, like if I'm having. If I
had a really good sexual experience anally, I would hope
I can recreate this with someone else if I'm no
longer dealing with that person. The art of comparison isn't

(49:41):
always a people joy.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
To be honest, I actually don't think recreating an experience.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Not even recreating but the feeling it made you feel.
You're telling me you had you haven't had such great
successful threesomes that you're hoping that you could have another
success like and so you're thinking of how successful it
was with these people. I hope that I can have
another one of these. Like there's a way to compare
where you don't have to be emotionally attached to that

(50:05):
person to want to recreate or experience an experience.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Negative experience that you had where you're like, oh my god,
I hope this doesn't happening.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
I hope this isn't happening again, and it's not a
bad thing. Like I think we lead with the idea
of insecurity, and that's when it's really like we are
human beings.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
That's what keeps me from anal I hope experience and
like it makes me think every time I'm getting close.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
But but but remembering good experiences with someone shouldn't draw
out or pull out an insecurity and someone else either.
Like when I was reading, like when I heard myself speak,
I'm like, I can't believe people are mad that I've
thought about something that was great in the moment of
experiencing kind of the same thing to me. It could
you could dumb it down to like your first time
going to a theme park and getting on a roller

(50:49):
coaster and the thrill.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
That it gave you when you go back on the
roller coaster again.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Don't you want to feel that you're.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Painting what you said?

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Now we're at six flights?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
What this bitch saying? What I do? If I'm getting
some dick and it ain't good, I'm gonna think about
the other dick? Is that not what they guy you
said you were highlight it?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Listen, what I don't want to think that if I'm
fucking my man, he's thinking about other experiences.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Okay, fine, just so just to me, you want to
be in d Lulu? Fine? Okay? I mean everyone should
actually just admit that they they don't want the truth
if they can't handle it, that they want to be
delusional without even recognizing the fact that you have the
ability to do the same thing. Like, we are human
beings and for whatever reason, when we get into fucking relationships,

(51:44):
we want to act like all of our human traits
go out of the window. We have the discipline and
the ability to shut off ship that we don't have companion.
If you still think about that, dick, then just say
damn but no, because that's what I'm saying. You don't
want to be You don't want it to be told.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Like even even in in in clo.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I like to pretend like my man has never had
sex with anybody and he has a daughter and I
still but he'll tell me. I'll like, you're my first
sexual experience.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I'm like, you have a kid, yo, that is crazy.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yeah, he's never seen any other woman for me, because I.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Don't know what placement my nigga got in scorpio. But
there's a lot of times where we'll talk about high
school in my virginity and he'd be like, I can't
believe you.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
See yeah, because it's a territory thing. We're like, no,
nobody's had. It's kind of hot though, Okay, nobody's had.
I do want to know because you've got all this
catfish experience.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
We need to know. Have you ever been got fished?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
How was it? What?

Speaker 4 (52:39):
It was? Not a romantic relationship. It was a friend
that I knew in real life. This is why I
say you can be catfished by people that you know.
It doesn't have to be strangers.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Tell me this tea. Did I about the bridle? About
the engagement? Mary?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Yes? So what she got engaged?

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Can you tell the story? Where's my drink? I need
a cocktail? No, I'm like, I need a cigarette.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Ive never smoked cigarette in my life, but I feel
like in my thirties, I'm going to pick up cigarettes
because this.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Is my hot take.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm sorry, I know they'll kill you sometimes cigarettes be
looking taxi, you.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
See that, and especially if it's a swaggy buther.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I really want one of those long pipe divorce cigarette. Yeah,
that's what I want.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
You know why, I know it's not sexy because I've
dated a smoker before, and kissing someone who smokes it's
the worst. So to me, now, as soon as as
soon as I see someone smoking a cigarette, you got
yung mouth now and now you're not not The tape
disgusting it's not it just yup.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I'm not gonna lie, like, yeah, there is a I.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Think it's not a cigarette.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
It's just sometimes smoked.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You should see now when I like hukah, when it's
say smoker, When it's say smoker on a on a
dating profile, wheedle cigarettes, Like there is a difference between
a cigarette smoker and a week I would assume it's
weed always. If it's well, go back to the tea
on his hup.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Oh god, okay, so see we got off topic.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
She won't.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I tried my best. She don't see because she sees
everything she Okay, Without saying exactly who this person was
to me, this was a very close person to me,
a very very close friend of mine, and we actually
lived together at one point. She had fabricated a million stories,
but one of them, in particular, was that she was

(54:28):
engaged to this very rich guy who was flying her
all over the world, who was buying her all of
these bags and shit that I never saw. Because she
said that she didn't trust them being in our apartment.
She needed to send them somewhere else and undisclosed location.
Because I was just like, okay, like I was my
friend de loopad and developed yet on anybody. So I

(54:51):
was really just like okay, like, and I also like
your friends if y'all told each other a situation like
oh my god, I met this man. You're not assuming
that the person's lying.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Because you've got to be proven.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah, well I'm you're my bitch, Like why would you
lie to me? We've been friends for eleven years, Like you're.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Not like eleven years.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Listen, She's telling me intricate stories about this man is family, names,
best friends, places, people, things, nouns. Bitch. Now, all of
it was fake. All of it was All of it
was made up. She created emails. She had an engagement
party that she knew that I wasn't going to be
able to make because I had a shoot. She created

(55:31):
an email to like tell me about it, to like
invite me to it, to say that this man was
going to have private jets like chartered from a bunch
of different cities, which like, in my mind, that's not
like a non that's not like a crazy idea. I'm like, oh, yeah,
private jet coming because he's rich. Yeah, but also like
I'm from Potomac, Maryland, Like private jets are not new

(55:52):
to me, so I'm like, oh, I am the realist,
non high school housewife's but it's not like crazy to
me that this could be a possibility. She was very detailed,
like calling me, texting me being like, oh, bitch, I
just landed in fucking Paris, it's so cold here, Like

(56:12):
I should have brought my other jacket. Tomorrow we're going
to Oh, we just got into a friend. She was
at her parents house.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
That is a serial killer. You know what's crazy?

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I don't know. I think you can pick up on liars.
That is one of the traits that after a while
I will keep you at an arm links distance.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
We never spoke. I don't like people when I found
out we never I don't.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Like people who their own reality, I think because I
think those are the most scary people.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
How she feels about you. A lot of people have
told me that, so like, here's what they want to
compete with you. Friend is like, but I don't people.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I don't think about my friends like that, meaning I
don't think I don't know you.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
You.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
To me, a person is not your friend, and you
cannot be friends with someone who is of you in
any capacity, whether it's your looks or your career, or
your financial stability, or your relationship, which is why for
y'all they keep asking if I'm ever gonna be a
friend with somebody.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
She admitted on air that she was jealous of me.
We can never be friends again.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
So to me, I don't want anyone that the audience knows,
I don't want in any capacity anyone that's that way.
So not only jealous of that. I should have saw
the science, because my ex saw the science. If you
are friends with somebody and they call you their rich friend,
that is not.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Your friend, your Holly, your Hollywood friend, that that is
one of the most Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
But I'm gonna lie your rich friend they are. They
are envious of however your finances are. They are they
want it, and in whatever capacity, it does not make
them feel good to know that they are putting you
on this pedestal where it's going to wreak envy. That
is not a friend.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That is not the only one that I do with
genuinely like teasing intention because oh like you're rich.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Oh yeah, I mean I think something cute.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I think there's a difference with how you say something
and also where you are in.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Life and how you where you are in life.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Yes, because there are billionaires who call each other yeah,
oh that's my rich friend. He has more money than me.
But it's not like you're both billionaires so you're happy.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
I find that which is from being at mama house.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
When there's something that the person wants that's a passion.
This doesn't really happen to me where I have friends
that have values that are different, which is why, actually
I think a lot of my friendships are different. I
don't really have too many friends in the exact same lane.
I thought, that's I mean close friends, right, Yeah, but
I wonder if there's something in particular that was going
on in your life at that time that was hard

(58:47):
for her to maybe see. And sometimes with conventionally beautiful people,
most the most attractive women I know have been been
burnt the most from other women.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
And I've been burned a lot. I've had a lot
of friends, But guess what, I feel like all my
friends are bad bitches, no matter what they look like,
who they date. What's saying I'm talking. Can you can
work all the time bank? You can work at fucking
safe way? That's different thought.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
This is a real thing that we got to pretend,
not pretend.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
It's in the world.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Conventionally, pretty people a lot, no matter how much money
someone's got, no matter if their body skinnier, hair, this,
or that. Sometimes the world treats you different, and it's
something that they may never receive. I have learned to love.
There's something about me that I feel like, no bitch
can never view me on. I think it's my personality.

(59:40):
I know I'm warm. I know that's a real genuine thing.
And I love being a light in a room and
energy to say. I just know that, like even if
I'm in a room with the fucking hottest models.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Still funny, bitch.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Yeah, hello, and I believe and I still believe I'm beautiful.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
But I really personality is shined through my whole life. Yes,
my ugly duckling phases and now I got I gotta
really be funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Wait.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I love braces. I was gonna tell you how cute
they are. I love them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
I think everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
No, I had braces for two years, and I thought
I was cute as fuck. I had all my little.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Colors because you convincionally. But I really do think there's
a lot of people that think I'm fucking ugly. You
should see under my fucking posts because you want to
carry it on my comments and people invisible. Anytime I
think that the world, hey, I just go under a
comment where people try to act like Cardi b ain't
hert and I'd be like, y'all just mad.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
You can't convince me that I don't. You can't convince
me that I'm not fine. You're never gonna be. You're
never gonna convince me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
One thing that my mom always taught me is that
there's nothing worse than a pretty bitch. So she would
be like, don't be a fucking asshole. She would always
tell me that from a young.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Age, I got hot girls that are bitches are the
but like not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
No, you're disgusting to me. You're disgusting to me. I
will never think that you're beautiful. I don't give a fuck.
You could They could do it one of those symmetrical
face analysis things and be like this is the most
that I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Felt like, that's somebody I'll tell you that. Oh you know,
it's so crazy, Kimmy. I swear to god, I texted
about you when I got in a car, so I
didn't want to go to this party that Kayla had
at her in l A. I was like, yo, I
met this really dope girl. And even if we don't
hang out again, I just needed that one moment in LA.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
That was a moment we were like, we were like
in our own world, you gave me that marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Te Yeah, she talked about her for five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
She was like, I'll post. I'm just like, oh, I'll
show anybody I used to do that. I'll show everybody
in person.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I'll show everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
But like that thing of like feeling someone's good and funness,
I sometimes feel that when I'm in the room of
hot girls or the instant girls like it's it gets
really weird. Yes, And I don't think my personality necessarily matches.
Maybe these women have been burned too, because there's a
lot of people want to take from me. You got
millions of followers, you got clop maybe people want more

(01:01:50):
from you. But there's been moments where in LA it's
been like ooh, this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Doesn't really Oh the energy would be weird. And me
and my best friend went to uh a dinner at
twe and it was like ten other bitches at the
table and I looked at my homegirl Stacy, and I
was like, bitch, don't you ever invite me to know
ship like this again. I will pay for my own
food before I have to sit at a table full
of bitches that are just like why why I don't
like the handschicks like this, and then and then hold

(01:02:15):
on and then it's the hands.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Want to be at a table with all these.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
God I I said, I will feed myself or starve.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yes, do not invite me to y because like hated it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
When you're in that moment, it's like fuck. And I
know one of these girls too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
I mean, my first reaction is too and it's gonna
sound bad, but my first reaction is to put my
dick on the table. Every time, I'm going to go
around and shake everybody's hands, like corporately, I can introduce
myself so that you know, like, this is not a
breakfast up. We're not yeah, I'm not you, you're not me.
We don't have an issue, we don't have a problem.

(01:02:59):
This man might be paying for this meal. I could
also put my card in period.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
So first and last time that I really put my
dick on the table was that a child dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Let's talk about the last time you put your dick
on the tab.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Because I I when I say put my dick on
the table a handshake. I'm joking.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
There was a girl across from me. There were two
men that invited me to this town dinner. One was
an athlete. One was maybe he's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
A director or writer. Hollywood shit, but all these holes
wants some right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
This was in New York, and one of the girls
said to me after they were doing their rich holl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Okay studios, let's see you girl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You know, men love to do that with when nat
you feel like sometimes they're more upfront about it. Maybe
thirty minutes into the dinner, after I'm talking to another
woman next to her about podcast studios. I thought, you
have like a podcast about like porn stars and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
Oh okay, here we go. That shit as a scorpio.
That's when I'm like, oh, with these sides killing me,
I'm tuned the full in crazy, I'm tuned the fuck. Okay,
let's go. So how'd you respond?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I said, who you thought? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And it's crazy because I thought that you were that
girl from Twitter. Uh oh, I actually can't say it,
but I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I can't believe you haven't hit me up because of
you're only fans. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Gasps at the table, like everyone dropped the one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Everyone chopped time. I was like, but was every wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And she was like, I don't have an only fans.
I used to have a page with my ex partner.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Oh so it wasn't successful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
So you know, couple page. We don't do it no more.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
We'll keep trying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Can you just talking about bitch?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I don't give a fuck. If she was a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Lawyer, Cammy, I'm gonna tell you. People have tried to
make me feel small for talking about sex for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
So long, so long, so long, And I would have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Led with my podcast if those dudes didn't bring up
the studio. The only reason the girl next to her ask,
because she's building one in her home for only fans.
Where all she came with, how can I do interviews?
Like plug talk is a show where they have sex
on camera. I can't go to a studio on opsex,
so how can I do this? So it wasn't like
I didn't want to be forward about it. And I
know that she must have felt like, oh, this girl
thinks she's better because she does this now, No I

(01:05:11):
don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
He's better than you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Bitch is like that, I anyway hate that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I really was kind of like hating our Ruby Rose
a little bit for the ship she said about Drewski,
because I was like, bro, like you're talking about pr
and all this stuff to gain popularity to a guy
that's super mainstream. He's on Super Bowl commercials, Like, I'm
not saying you aren't hot and the only fan Shion
ain't lit or you're not lit?

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Like why she felt the way because some nigga said,
but I ain't fucking you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
You fuck Drew Sky.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
That's what it was. She probably felt that he like
she felt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
She probably there are a lot of bitches that want to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
But that's why she came out and said, I didn't
fuck him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Bro, I'm gonna be honest. Jewsky is fun as hell.
He's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
I bet you he could take that pussy in a person.
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
He's great. Like, I don't know him as a person.
I mean, if comes out about him everything that I said.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Agree, But I'm telling you right now, single on the table,
you're at a bar. Fine, if Juy's not your type, fie,
you're telling me that Nigga can't fucking laugh draws off you.
I don't believe that, and I don't think Juky is
ugly at all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
He's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I don't like this fat dude ship being ugly.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
I think I've never been guys with apps have never
been like my I've never been like, oh he doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
A now when he posts them boxers out and do
her little country boys and I see the crack that.
I love that she said laughing at Draws, but I'm
not going to see her in though he can maybe
laugh though I did not my drawers. I don't know
fat shaming, but know that Nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Couln't like like that, but it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I don't think energy is saying that bitches really forget
about And I don't even fuck well hot Nigga's ruby
dated before or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I just feel like you really probably took the like
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I think the way that the Internet has made beautiful
women feel sometimes an inflated sense of self. Yeah yeah,
I have tens of in the comments talking about how
sexy are But how many people really like you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Yeah yeah? How many friends do you actually have? I
think that that's that's very real. And I cannot stand
a bitch that tries to I don't even know what
the word is, but it's such whack bitch energy to
try to, you know, when you're like out with girls
and there's a guy, and like clearly they want the guy,
and so then they do some shit like that to
like try to let everybody know that you shouldn't be

(01:07:26):
desired or that like you're unavailable like that, you're in
a relationship, okay, like you don't. You don't have to
you don't have to do that. I'm happy to talk
about my man. You don't have to be like, oh,
like so you and you're a man, right, like because
you have a man, right, yes, I talk about him
all the time. You know, you don't have to lead
with it, right You see yours too? Why are you

(01:07:49):
so excited to talk about him? They're like this, this
is what this happens all the time. And I love
to And it happens a lot when it comes to
career accolades too, because I've had it so many times
where a girl will come up to me with her
friends and she'll be so excited to meet me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
She's like I listen to your podcast. I Love You
on Catfish, I love you and are you the one?

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
I love you? On Next on the Beach, I love everything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I never watched it. It's so good. I know, I
know it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
And I'll be so excited to meet them too. And
then she'll turn to her friend and be like, do
you know Cammy like she said, and they'll be like, no,
I've experienced that so much. I don't know you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I'm sorry. I have no idea who you are. I've
never seen you before. I've never watched anything. If my friends,
I would always be hype for my friends. And you
know what my response is, that's okay, baby, It's not
a requirement. Can you take this picture of us? Though?

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
The fuck is your problem?

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I know how crazy this sounds, considering I'm a ninety
day fiance buff. I'm walking on the street with my
homegirarl the other day. I think it was the black
girl from Love Island. This bitch stops in her tracks,
my homegirl.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
She goes folks, and I was like, what's going on?
So the girl walking towards us knows what's going on? Yeah,
I don't know what's going was it Janee or Serena.
Oh no, brol Oh god, it was the one who
came who was a WTF in La the one who
did Sofia is the new one, the black coup of
the one, the Serena Odell's brothers, Serena and Cordell Cordelle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
So she was super chill and I'm like, yo, hold on,
let me get my phone out. And I was like,
do you have a podcast too? So she's laughing because
my friend having a breakdown. And I was like, oh
my god, I'm not trying to be a bit because
I'm sure you do something great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yes, yeah, and that's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
And while we're taking the photo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Literally, she goes, you really ain't watching Love Island. Everybody
watching Love I don't watch Love Island.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And I swear to god, I'm like, girl, I'm guys
because you're embarrassing me. And I know why, because I should.
It's like not it's like a white girl not knowing
who the new bachelorette is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I know the black girl.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
That's true. I didn't even watch this season, but I
know for a factor one, I know who the top
three girls were. I know the whole thing. I know
the quotes. No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
I need to watch the show anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I know, I gotta get it. I don't watch the
I don't watch many of the dating shows. You don't
watch Love's well my problem is, well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
First off, I love is never blinded me. I'm shallow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
So the magas, I'm like, why I got a whole
bunch of ugly people falling for each other over the phone.
So it just don't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
What is this now, y'all making ugly people like each other?
So to me, okay, yeah, like no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Like Housewives, and I like I like competition shows, feel
like ink Master The Voice where people got to get eliminated.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Even the circle I was watching the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
People get eliminated too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, but I don't like people already lie they have
to manipulate each other. And so to me, in a
space and for real, for real, watching a whole bunch
of twenties twenty year olds, oh my god, it's like,
y'all don't know you know what it's really like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
You can't even those that more thirty five plus year old?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, because watching twenty year olds with the ultimatums or
acting like they know what the book they want what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
That was my funnest And I'm a fan of a
is it too out to handle im?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
One?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
We went on a date?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Okay, I love me stuff girl?

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Oh yeah, car Jack, there's a whole story. Wait what
la story? Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
But like, yeah, no, I don't want to watch a
whole bunch of twenty two year olds looking for love. Yeah, bitch,
this person is gonna be one of many that's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Make said funny because they're so Let me tell you
why it's not fun in your thirties, then, bitch, just
want to be out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
When there's a girl that's twenty two and she's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Like yeah, and you're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Eighty, that's why I don't want to watch the Lulu bitches.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
But then if it was us, like this bitch is done.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I'd be crying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
I want.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
I want someone in their thirties who like wait, like
I didn't have to pay for a sitter in my
my mama watching my kids back home. I'm really looking
for love because I need a nigger to come in
and be a father figure to my children.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Have you watched a Golden Bachelor? No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I heard, that's fine, it's the Golden Bachelor. They're older yeah,
what's older.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
So, yeah, there's there's lots of drama. There's so The
Golden Bachelorette is on right now and one of the contestants,
one of the guys that came on to date the
girl who was on The Golden Bachelor, he has a
like a restraining order filed against him from his like
ex girlfriend or wife or whatever. And it's like a
bad situation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
I want people dealing with real life. These motherfuckers on
these little shows don't even pay rent. They got a
phone bill to pay, and they just care about how
many followers I love when they come on there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I'm a content creator. I'm about to handle because I'm
always firing inside.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
At the TV.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
What is we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Me and Nina?

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
That's my dog right back?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
God bro, when I tell you my nigga looked at
me like I was watching Game of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I was at the edge of my seat.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Yeah, hello, you know what it is. It's an escape,
it is it is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
And it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Tell me my Capus industry on HBO before we get
out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I gotta know a show or an episode of Catfish
that really blew your mind. On the Lulu because people
think these shows are fake and people can't understand how
these shows exist twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
I can't understand in twenty twenty four how you're getting
cat fished.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Still, well, we were just so obviously this is coming
out after I've quit the show, but we were just
getting into the relationships that people were in in COVID,
So like pandemic relationships where they're now like, hey, it's
been four years, what about FaceTime?

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
These people still don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Don't care sometimes, But we can say the same thing
about in person relationships. I like to give as much
grace as humanly possible, just because we get in relationships
all the time in real life that we know aren't
right for us, but we ignore shit every day. Now,
if I'm in a relationship with somebody and I'm calling
this person my boyfriend and my girlfriend and it's been

(01:13:45):
five years and we've never been on FaceTime, that might
be something else.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
What about a male on a spectrum?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
What is the way that you're finding what's the easiest
way to find out if someone's lying about their identity?

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
The easiest way to find out? Do you ever know
somebody's true identity? This is right that's against do you
ever know? No, you never really fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Someone can show up differently, like people.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Send their representative all the time. So you just have
to you have to decipher. And I'm not saying you
got to look for clues because like nobody wants to
be in a relationship where they're constantly like double back,
I can't keep track of what's in your phone. I'm
not doing I'm not doing all that extra legwork.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
This is my first relationship where I haven't snuck him up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Don't I'm not looking.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
I'm not gonna do why I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
I think I did it in the past because it
was a habit. I had done it in the happiest moment,
trying to ruin my mood. I have not done it.
Don't care, bitch. A pussy could come up and I'm
be like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Who's this? Let me see, let me see. But it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Because when you have a habit from how you normally
get information, whatever is in the dark comes light mm hmmm,
and you will find out as it's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
So if that's really the truth, is really the truth.
But that is grown digging for that shit. Yeah, it's crazy. No, No,
I think I was obsessed. I think there's a chapter
where I read about like, oh, if you go to see.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
I crawl on the floor, b sh, I'll be light,
not on the floor. I'm not looking to not yo.
You could say that I thought I was that person too.
There's a lot of things we all say we'd never do. Yeah,
there is a lot of crazy things that you're ranking doing.
I know somebody listening has been to this. You don't
even want to look. I wouldn't even see anything, just
second nature.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
It's like being on your phone and like going to
Instagram when you know you don't even have any or
like checking I checked like ten apps before I put
my phone down, like a phone Twitter at this. Yeah,
yeah you heard it. It's like opening up the fridge.
You know what's in the fridge. You haven't put shit
in there. Uh but okay. So an episode of Catfish

(01:15:44):
where somebody was on a different level of de Lulu.
There's been a lot of them, but I think one
of my first episodes was we were working with a
girl who believed that she was in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
With Chris Brown for three years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I saw that one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
What they cut out was that She also believed that
she was best friends with Drake for five years, so
in her mind, this was like normal because she met
these she met them on Facebook is a whole thing.
But one of the conversations that she brought up that
they also cut out was that she basically on her birthday,

(01:16:21):
went out with a friend on Hollywood Boulevard. They went
to a bar and she calls him because she just
wanted to talk to him, and she said that a
black prius had pulled up in front of the bar
and it was a guy who looked like Chris Brown
with a hat on, and she's on the phone with
him and she's like, wait, is that you outside of

(01:16:42):
the bar and he was like, yeah, it's me, and
then he sped off and she was like, well, you know,
he just wanted to stop by they like wish me
happy birthday, but like he couldn't get out of the
car because of like who he is, and like you know,
celebrities they have like their cars, but then they have
like their you know, low key cars. And I was like, girl,
I said, I can promise you that Chris Brown's low

(01:17:03):
key car.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Is not a black.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Is a regular bands Maybe it may be maybe it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
A black I promise you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
The low key cars for celebrities are in l A.
I've noticed.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
I knew you were going to say, but that that's
the low key car, like that's that's not a low
which is the fucking most disgusting car I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Also, Chris Brown be outside. Chris Brown be outside all
the time. He's be outside.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
And by the way, I ended up seeing him after
that episode air pasted it. I was this is a
funny story. I was with my ex at the time
and we're at Highlight Room.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
That's where I saw him last the highlight room.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
If you want to find Brown to highlight highlight room,
Chris Brown is there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Because right now it's the winter time, so highlight room
right now ain't probably gonna be open. She's inside, they do,
it's just not open on the outside. He'll be there.
He'll be there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
And Sadek is now share recording this during fashion Week,
Sean literally has Hakissan in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Yes, oh, he's fucking killing it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I was gonna say, uh, I saw him out in
about in l A. But Sadik is Chris Brown. That's
the only thing you go see that you go see
you see Wait, didn't I thought that that? He wrote
the girl a message like it's not me or something.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
He posted it. He posted it on his story afterradd
Air and was like, it wasn't me, but this is hilarious.
So I'm like standing with my ex at the time
and Chris Brown comes over to me and gives me
a hug. And the way he gave me a hug
was like he like, we knew each other. We've met
when I was Miss teen USA, but that was years ago.

(01:18:49):
So my ex is looking at me like I'm looking
at it. Chris like, uh hi, I'm like we met
a long time ago with like and he was like
I watched the show and I was like oh. He
was like, yo, I can't fucking tell you. How many
women are at my front gate on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
A weekly basis crazy because they think that they're talking
to me on Facebook. It happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
And you know what it is, somebody, Yeah, sorry, yes
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
It is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
It is. I'm sorry to say, but this time it
actually wasn't. It was. It was a young lady. I
don't remember where she lived. But even because she said
that Chris Brown, I left her a voicemail. I was like,
play the voicemail. That's the clip that went viral, the
fucking voicemail found to Noah on my Chris Brown, I said,
that is either a twenty four year old man or
a eighteen year old woman.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Like a eighteen year old woman.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I wonder what the woman is then asking men to do.
Just make this voice message for her.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
No, it was her, by the way, it was her,
and she was just like, hey, bro, I was like, listen,
I've been listening to Chris Brown since I was I.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Know that is not Chris Brown's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
That's hilarious. I do have to rap.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I know we gotta go, But just one question, what
is the purpose of cat fishing if it isn't money.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Oh there's so many reasons why people a catfe.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Revenge, whatever, but like, why does someone want.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
To do revenge? Money? Those are parts of it. But
I think that and again this is be given grace Liebermoon. Hey,
I'm gonna get you all into astrology by the of
the day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Never you know, you will, you will, never will.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
I think that people want to be loved and accepted,
and I don't think that we are as gracious to
how evil, mean, rude. The Internet is like, we meet
so many people who are like I tried to get
on the dating apps as myself. I have posted my

(01:20:49):
own pictures. I have been on the dating apps for years.
Nobody ever swiped on me. So I thought, what if
I just posted this picture of Denzel Washington? What kind
of response what I get? And I got so many replies.
Some people who use celebrity pictures are like, Okay, I
think in my mind that they have to know that
it's not me, but they're into it anyway. I want

(01:21:11):
to have the conversation, so like, let's keep this up.
But for the people who use like other people's pictures,
sometimes they're like, I have tried to use my pictures,
it didn't work out. I was tired of feeling like
I wasn't desirable. I wanted people to get to know
me for me. I wanted to just get to that
next level, and this helped me to do that. So
a lot of times it's that, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
You know, not really think right now, Like I have
definitely been at the place where I never catfish anything,
but I just talked to someone because I was bored
with the other options.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Like bitch you've never been in an aim trap room.
Would they say age sex location and you, yeah, but
you never send pictures because we didn't have to send pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
It was even the curvy girl.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
I would say age twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
The chat line location, Hollywood catfishing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
We all you lied about your goddamn age.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
If you had dial up at any point in time,
you have got you catfish. You have absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I guess I never catfish with like the intent to
meet or something and so on brain, it's not real because.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
The way I won't get on the hinge again.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
When I got on there, everyone thought I was a
catfish because they know the podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah, bitch,
if you know the podcast, I don't want to talk
to you, but now I don't want to be on
Let me get the up off this ship, let me this.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
I get it. That's why I like Riyah. But then
I hear everybody say, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Can I be honest, it's so crazy you found love
on there because the men that I met on Ryan
would sometimes even try to like knock me down and
like oh yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Everybody thought they were important.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I don't know if it works for me for women too,
like people just it's like real good looking people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
That's what I found better than the other apps. But
Riya has really hot girls though.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Yeah, I think all of the good girls are on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Like on Riya, you can land hits on women because
you can basically look on a location map.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
Right, Yeah, I like these the bitches in Yeah, let
me go outside, let me take it off.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I tell people to listen to your.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Podcast Relationship Airs every single Friday, and she can name,
thank you, and I record. I had what the Bug
studios a lot, so you'll see me, so yeah, every Friday,
and then you can find me on all of my
socials at Cammy Crawford, k A M I E. A
lot of people like to leave off Kelly your man
bring him on an everybody said that, like to just

(01:23:29):
do it like his voice.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I did one so doesn't want to Like, he doesn't
just do it. He's just like, what do I even
talk about? Funny?

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
He's not.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
He's like behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
I know he's only fans like that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Oh my god, who was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
I don't even think y'all would recognize her.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
But when I was on Twitter, she just was super
popping with her boyfriend at the time. So when she
made that comment to me, I'm like, you were literally
my demographic for a guest like Gus, I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Don't want this.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Hello, she run her opportunity and that's why I had
to fill in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Go check us out on patreon dot com, Backslash Horrible Decisions.
We give you all the tea on there. Our town
halls are there, our bonus contents there, nudes everything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Dude, Absolutely, I'm not somebody's racist, fucking sprain their ankle
log on hurrye because they could be gone.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Oh my god, this has been yet another episode of
what I don't want the TV behind me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
But I have a mailbox with my name that I
got from HBO, so like, okay, that kind of looks
kind of cool. We're just going to do this and
switch it up today. I also want to thank you guys,
uh the last on the hotline.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I started with.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Breaking down kind of where I was mentally, and so
many of you reassured me that I'm not a bad person,
which I appreciate, but I I didn't realize, which I
guess I don't realize until I see the comments and
meet you guys in person how much we all kind
of live the same life, just a little bit, maybe
at different moments in our lives, but we all are

(01:25:12):
going through the same fucking shit trying to navigate life
and life be life, and sometimes I'm not in that
place particularly anymore. By the time you guys hear this,
y'all probably would have seen me cry on a regular episode.
I've been dealing with grief lately. I lost a friend

(01:25:34):
and former manager recently, and in dealing with grief, there
was a lot of this idea of closure or regret
for not you know, taking my trip to Tokyo or
Dallas and spending more time with him. Because of course,
if you know something is coming to an end or

(01:25:55):
a person is leaving, you want to fill that up
with great amazing memory praise right, So boom story time, y'all.
This this is really interesting because, in speaking of closure,
I did not know what closure would look like with
a heartbreak. Yes, if you are sick of hearing about

(01:26:19):
my ex, you could turn it off now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
However, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Almost like the universe was like, bitch, let me do
this for you in this grieving moment, XYZ element O
p so boom so I go to the funeral. Rest
in peace, Jason Hoodie but so I go to the
funeral and it's in Harlem. So I'm at the funeral

(01:26:49):
over on one sixteenth, I think it was and funeral,
and you know, after the funeral, you gotta go to
the repass. So asking around, asking around, I'm starving. I
did not eat that morning funeral. They had the viewing
it ten, the funeral service from eleven to one, and

(01:27:09):
then the repast was one to five. A bitch was hungry,
a bitch was dehydrated. Because I had no more tears
to cry. I just sat there and bawled my eyes
out for literally about two hours. And so when it
came time to eat, couldn't nobody tell me who cooked
the food and the repast?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
And I was like, well, I just ain't go e
just anybody food.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
So went across the street to amy Rus had smothered
turkey wings, because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
That's my shit if I go to a motherfucking sold
food restaurants.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
So I had smothered turkey wings with salte okram and
making cheese. And then I was with a friend of mine,
Ayana and Ishmael, and we were like, you know what,
I want to go grab a drink. This has been
a heavy last two weeks with the realization that we

(01:28:02):
lost our friend. The service was beautiful, but very heavily
emotional and bitch, y'all know i'd be liking a drain.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
So we go on over to Harlem Tavern. We have
a drink.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
About four more of our friends join us and end
up heading back to the repass. So as we're leaving
the bar, though y'all ready for this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
As we're leaving the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
I see my ex's truck.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Now, bitch, let me tell y'all how my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Against sake, But not really because I didn't know what
emotions to have, because y'all know, I had already ran
into the motherfucker at the park so where I had
a whole panic attack. So I see his car, and
I'm like, I don't know if this is really his truck,
but it makes sense because we retired firefighter. That nigga
gonna double park wherever. He don't believe in rules, he

(01:28:55):
don't believe in tickets, he gonna park that car. So
I look and see the car, and I go to
the front to see in the dashboard or you know,
see any stickers to identify the vehicle, and it's his
and I'm like, oh, this nigga gotta be at Bixi.
Bixi is the bar right in front of where his

(01:29:17):
car was, So I tell my homegirl. I was like, bitch,
is a nigga that broke my heart? This is car,
this is my ex car. Bitch, let's just go into
the bar, get a shot, and I'm gonna be loud
with it and I'm an her. Make sure he see me.
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