Ep. 436: Babies, Breakups & Big Secrets (Ft. SK & MyLin)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We have to adopt our own kids due to laws.
The baby that I carried I am on. She's also
on the birth certificate. But it doesn't mean our oldest.
His superpower is logical. He's all want to know and
I need to know with logic, parent, Kay, they just
gonna make us pet.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to Decisions Decisions.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I don't think you should say decision decisions. It sounded
like you.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Was talking to Kursten. You definitely say to welcome, welcome
to the new podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You want to say together decisions Decisions.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Hey guys, welcome to another week another episode of this
Ision Dision. It's your girl, may ev A k A
peg the Stallion aka Peggan Marcle ak A what Peggy
Bundy aka Dad Beach.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Okay, hey y'all, I'm weasy and we are in another foursme.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
We have two ladies in the building.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're not podcasters, but I will say these are two
people that people keep sending me. I don't know if
they're just like, don't you know, everybody want to put
me up with somebody? We'll just be doing that and
it's probably because your braids.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Let's telling them to you to go.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh no, girls will send me like other like lesbian couple.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I know there's one I followed now and you beating
all her likes and I'm like some girl that does
this little thing where she dresses.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Kind of mag she does that sweat ship. What's her name?
Bring on of me? What? What? What's her name? Fine?
Say it? I think it's me and Weezy do not

(01:48):
have the same type. Okay, that's type, but this bitch
is I'll look, that's what she looks. You know what's crazy?

Speaker 5 (01:55):
So she no, no, no, you know it's curzy for me.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
First off, she looks like a different bitch, which is crazy.
She does not look like the same girl the one
the first time I saw it.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
The first time I saw.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
It, she came up on my feet and I was like, wait,
that's the same tattoo.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Wait this is because I thought it was a couple.
I thought, wait, this is the same bitch.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
For me, she looks way more better or to me,
I'm more attracted to her masculine than them, which is
crazy because I normally only fuck femme girls because mask
bitches once they found out I find out, like I'm bisexual,
like mask bitches don't like bisexuals.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
It's it's it's it's a fucking fact.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Do not.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
No, no, no, no, they I don't think they like it.
I married Wait, you're bisexual.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Ten years ago when we got married.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Guess I'm sorry, y'all, hi, and what I threw used
them because I didn't even hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
We have s KM Island in the building and there
we go, Stokes Kennedy, Stokes Kennedy. So they are multi
hyphen it creatives, content creators, and they've been sharing their
love story online, which is really why I know them
and many of you probably follow that men and seeing
them and to be the biggest part of this story
which we have couples on all the time just to
talk about love, but it is the fact that you

(03:15):
are raising three sons and you both carried to your children,
which you just never tend to see. And so honestly,
whenever we have to like a good look a couple,
I'll be like, let's do that on horrible decisions. But
we need to get into sperm donation. We've been talking
about evaniy Kay Williams, We've been talking about your friend.
We're seeing so many women decide to have children on

(03:35):
their own So I think outside of queer couples, gay men,
gay women having babies through SuperM donation, the conversation is
really going to help everybody.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
So that's what I want to dig into. But before
we then also some whole shit.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
We'd love to talk some queer shit, how mad women
don't like bisexual.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
We're gonna get into all the fun.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Actually, of course we want to know how you met
and on it, No Lie. Something I was thinking about.
We were recording with Paul Pierce and Azzar before this,
and one of the questions came up and you said,
would either of y'all be in an open relationship? And
I literally looked over and was like, that's all my
my listen would ask.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Out the gate. You're just gonna ask them on that episode.
You have to be locked in. Everybody's gonna be so
happy to even consider it, right, you should start there,
are we love? Make sure.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Before we start giving them all because maybe they haven't
had this conversation together.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I'm thinking about, is this people sending me though, I'm
just saying, oh, what's up in California?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I'm saying over the like, no lie, over the years,
like really like it's come up. They cute, y'all should
have them, But literally to me, I'm like, I know
the d ms with other women are.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Like, I'll be honest, We've been on the internet as
a couple for a really long.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Time, and and I think that too for women.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I don't know, because men operate a different way on
the internet, the way that they are entitled. But for
women to see a married couple and be like what
y'all doing, it's very rare, very rarely would a woman
just operate like that in our dms now in public,
don't get me wrong, Like we be out and like
people should walk up to you, or how you approach
other people, whatever way it works.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
They send y'all like, how do how do you normally
y'all get hit on?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
As a couple. Me and poups are very touchy.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
We have a lot of PDA in general, which I
think turns in general. So if you're in a space
where somebody is I'm assuming you and your boyfriend or
husband don't know your partner beyond each other in a
certain kind of way. That almost always like invites people
to be like, I want to know what the hell
is happening over there, I'll be telling people get it wrong.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Get it wrong, making out.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
But I've had a thing about PDA though.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
That is such a great I don't think anyone's ever
said it, but that's fucking it.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's when I started.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Looking at I don't like each other now. I don't
want to like you, you know, and you do. So
we've been like, hey, it's.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Probably only two because y'all are attractive, Like, no one
wants to see ugly people make out in public, like
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I don't you know what I mean, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I don't think unattractive couples get the energy where people
now want to see the makeout.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
You see them people, please.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I was about to say the underlying idea of like
people who are open a lot of times on the internet,
the underlying like joke is that they're attractive.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like people who are in.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Exactly right, they say you're ugly, can't get a man,
y'all dating like that, you're open because y'all are bad looking,
And I don't.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Think that's true. I don't think that's true.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
So for those that haven't seen your page, got to
hear the love story. I'd love to know the age
you met and really like, was it truly you haul
second date where lesbians do?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
How much time did it take? I mean it was quick,
but it wasn't that quick.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, it wasn't our moment of meeting and stuff like that.
We didn't get together for three years. Yeah, okay, I heard, Yeah, wait,
do you have a different story, because you're like, You're like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
That's a hour for me.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
If by the time we did start to get together,
we started dating and like, you know, her stuff was
immediately at my place. You know, immediately you it's the
different direction. But we didn't know each other.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
We did try to date, we did try to like
get for It took a little bit longer.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, we had some separation. I came to La, she
was still in Sacramento. I got a girlfriend, she had
a girlfriend. We split that decided, you know, like and
got back together. Whole thing before we finally decided to like, Okay,
we're gonna actually try to be together.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
For people going through a breakup, I have a few
friends in my life and men and women that'll be like,
we'll probably get back together. Did you know, did you
always feel like it was someone to run to when
the breakup happened?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Did you be like, y'all, this is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
They don't y'all know what y'all might have to go
to the YouTube the way you are looking the way.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
First off, she's shaking her head.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
No, you shake your head, y, y'all, this is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
That's hilarious. Don't have to watch it, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
But no, like I had her blocked, like her best
friend was still doing my hair and stuff like that.
But I'd be like, don't talk to me about her.
Don't be like we're separate, Like why.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Do women do this?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Do you know there's a woman? Why the do they
like I have a nigga? Tell me stop blocking? You
just go unblocked me? And clearly what made you unblock her?
Because we did unblock her?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
Clearly you did. Oh yes, I called you un blocked
her to say happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
She was on my mind heavy and by can't, I
was like, where I look at.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
What?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
She was on my mind heavy?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And it was two years later and I was like,
I'm gonna just do it. When something's really heavy on
my heart, I'm just like just going.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
And she was in town, so I know that birthday toxic.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
You're so toxic. I'm not gonna lie to me.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
To me, Sheve jobs should actually, well I know you didn't,
but Steve should in in heaven send down a thought
to women with iPhones, not give them the ability to
block anybody because they don't stand on business like you

(09:23):
unblocked this. You unblocked her to motherfucker say happy birthday,
as I'm in your city, Happy birthday.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
She never had another birthday without me again.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Now, from the second time around, how do you act
or what do you change in the the second evolution
of a relationship, because do you address the old issues?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Do you start over new? Oh? Yeah, you do? You
address them?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
And ours were glaring like ours are big, like I'm
We were supposed to just be separate for a little
bit of time, and then we ended up talking to
other people, right, So I think once that happened, she
was like, we're not doing this.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Call it.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
We already got three hundred and forty miles between us.
You down there, I'm up here, like we can just
call it, and she blocked me. Right, So a lot
of time passed, like you said, two years. By the
time she hit me back up, I was probably in
the worst part of that relationship. You know, it was over.
That relationship was already over. It was almost kism the
way that she kind of was like plug, the way
that she but the way she called at that time.

(10:31):
I mean literally, I think that my girlfriend at the
time was cheating on me at that day.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
At her birthday party.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Wait, your girlfriend was cheating on you at your birthday party?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Called her.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
She stepped away to go into the room to answer
my call, and I found out she didn't say no,
I didn't a call.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, I hadn't stepped away.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I was in bed at my birthday party, like everybody
was in my living room.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
The girl included this is how, this is how low.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I hadn't have been to have that bitch actually in
my shit right, So like this girl was they they't
have whoever else she was dealing with in my house
for my birthday.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Everybody was and I had wait and you didn't know
about it.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I knew enough to not be stupid, but I played stupid,
you know, like I knew and probably could have done better,
But I was.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Like it was another girl or a guy girl. Damn.
Every time I get mad at niggas, I'll be like
I'm going back.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
No, just ain't either. Let's be very clear.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Wait, so she brought the girl that she was cheating
on you with to your house for your birthday?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
House acting is up? She came say happy birthday. She
brought you these things. Now why I can't believe that?
Why did you beat her? But you're also shot woo her?
Mostly mostly it's like it was my birthday. I'm really there.
It was a lot of reason for me to be like, actually,

(11:40):
you just want to go get in bed? I was.
I was sad. Did you whoop her ass? The next day? Like?
There there was no ass? Well? Absolutely, there was an absolutely.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
How did you want my girlfriend for the other person?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
No?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Never, my only only the girl I was dating? Good?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, I did never get even though you.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
You should have whooped the other girl ass too, because
she came to your house waiting and your motherfucking faith No, no, no,
you gotta whoop both bitches. Ask Wait a second, you're
not thinking that the girl who knows that she is
in a rationship.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm just saying, if I have to pick.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
A bitch, yeah, if I have to like for me,
for me, Like, let's even turn this into a heterosexual
scenario where yes.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Wait, and you were brought into a sonar.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
No, no, no, I'm saying, let's create a heterosexual scenario
because where yes, normally you should be upset at your partner,
you should never be mad at the other person.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
To me, if if my partner even.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Brings a woman to the house, mind you, we got
pictures all over the house.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
She knows that this is our home. If a bitch.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Walks into my house and sleeps with my man, knowing
that we are together, because she see me plastered all
over the motherfucking place, she could not ask whooped too,
just because she stepped foot in the motherfucking door, because bitch,
you came to my house like it's the principle where normally, yes,
I believe you should be mad at your partner and
not the other party.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
That I think the thing is.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I think I realized that the gaslighting and the like
lying of manipulation that I was receiving, I would be
foolish to think anybody else was not also receiving. That
you have to be a dumb bitch to believe somebody
and then still follow them into the house. But so
was that like I was being dumb as fuck too.
So it's like I'm convinced that she was just a
fucking liar. She was a liar. How are you telling

(13:29):
that bitch some other ship? Because how comfortable could you
be that? Like, that's what I'm saying, Like you didn't
know me. You you you could have walked into any
You take it as you had to have assumed that
you were saying.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
So you took it as she could partner anything.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
I don't know, Okay, So you took it as your
partner was clearly gaslighting and a liar to you that
she was doing it to her, and that girl had
no clue.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
No said, hi brought your flowers. She was a dumbast.
I don't know what I'm saying. She was an idiots?
Was it an you go? I walked my ass.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I was like, give me that bottle, now hold one
in love?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Will we beat her?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
As was talking, I don't talk. I got I started
talking to a bit. No, no, no, I was all,
you got me up. Tell me when you when you
being a bitch ass talking. That's a real parental ass
with Remember your parents used to.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Hit you with every with every spacon, don't make me
that's how you was in there right, one word after
the other. No, it wasn't like that. It was more
like I was finally trying to leave. She was not
letting me like. It was more of that. It's like
you hadn't done all this fucking damage in my life, bitch,
I'm ready to get the funk out of here, And
she was like blocking the doorways and holding my ship
back and.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yanking on me. I need you to be here.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
So it's not as long as you broke up with
her first break.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Up and now out of it. You were at her home.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
We drove down from Sacramento, me and her best friend
to get her in the middle of the night or
early morning.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I forget when it was wait that we jumped around,
he jumping.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Around, But yeah, that girl had serious mental Yeah she
was just fucking It was very clear she had been
living her life for a really long time, manipulating people
doing whatever, having them operate in a certain kind of way,
and expected the same from me. And I think that
was even like a different type of vision she had
ever really fucked with. So I think she expected me
to just be a dumb media too and like carry
on in this way, paying this rent and doing this
ship and being that person.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wait and you was paying the bill and she was
like ten years my senior. And this is when she
was twenty three. Yeah, she was like almost forty. Yeah,
a real bit like so, yeahll talk about niggation. She
like they they learn it from their daddy. This fucking
that she trickled that.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Maybe I need to close my relationship. Let's get into
a little tea time time.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Who won the last fight? I always want to fight.
I'm the best talker, she talks down.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm the very what are generally disagreements because to me,
whenever my friends are in ten years plus, the disagreements
are very like we're annoyed with each other. Do you
find that you've been having the same arguments for ten years?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Our arguments are never fights, and they are disagreements. That's yeah,
very mature. It's very very emotional, emotionally mature.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
For sure. You can stand with that. We don't like
cuss at each other or like yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Saying like domestic like you're in a like we've never
I've never put my well, we've never fought like that.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
And I think like the standard a lot.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Of yes, especially well especially queer relationships, right like the
ideas that like you're equal so if you act too
much crazy and it's like no.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
We had like literally before a family trip and she
told me to shut the fuck up and that.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
You was mad, and she's still isn't that what you
just shared on Patreon?

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Said shut the fuck up? And you were like, excuse me?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I was excuse me. He's never told me to shut
the fuck up. He's a pretty like even Keel dude.
So I was greaming like crazy because he was like,
I feel like you want to yes, man, and I
was like, oh some of the So he goes into
the bathroom and basically I was like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
What are you doing in my cabinet? I'm just trying
to rune your pills to make you calm.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Down, I said, I said, that's funny. I was like,
that's that's as bad as talking about somebody mama.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was like, he did you should something? I heard
that on the zoom. I said, he's taking care of you.
That you're not You're not right.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
He's very that's the worst you screaming and someone too calm.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I'm like, are you playing with me?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
He's like I'm I'm actually not I don't know what
it looks like, it feel fun. You really need the baby,
but I'll find them for you. That hang a lot,
that ship maybe last because.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I would have got kicked out. I might have said
just be like, let's I'm gonna go. Roll one, I'm
gonna go. So I started like you know what I see.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I think back and I'd be like, see, I don't
like confrontations. So the problem with like my last relationship,
if we didn't agree with anything, I would be done.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
And he felt like I was treating it like a
podcast topic, like this is a podcast. You can't just
go to the next topic.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Like we're going in circles. We're not getting in a solution.
Wait if I'm not in the move to go back.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
And forth, like I got a table talking to like,
oh I'm a table.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
We're not getting here with this. Let's move on, let's
move on. He would literally be like this ain't a
fucking pack, But I can't move on? What are we
moving on to? Watching movies? You just pissed off? No,
let's let's no okay, what you want to eat? Cookie?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Not me?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
But that's why something separate people like you you wait
out of here, and you better than none.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Because you guys been together so long you cohabitate. What
is the if you are in an argument or upset
with each other? Do you guys not like sleeping different
places that night? Like how do y'all find Look.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
It's been my favorite thing to say for the last
ten years. I didn't get married to sleep. I don't
ever sleep sept.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
You never, even when y'all are in not so graad
of a space, you would risk sleeping well at night
to sleep next to somebody you mad at Like I
can't physically sip. I couldn't imagine if I'm upset with somebody,
then I got to now sleep in the same But
don't you think to start thinking.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I need to know where and I know.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
We're just like I need my peace. We can come
back to it and stuff like that. For us, that
just doesn't okay.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Look, she said, you're not going to sleep sleeping that you.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Place, Like yeah, because then I kind of come back
it's like, all right, this actually now it reminds me
we're okay.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, why I'm okay.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But I did have an argument before a bed where
I was like, I need space and he's about to
go to sleep on the couch.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I said, what are you doing? He said, you just
told me you need space. I need space emotionally. You're
here emotionally, don't get out to me here? Then I
need space. Oh you know I need you.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Gotta go so I can talk about you with my friend,
like I'm gonna be probably talking about you.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
But that's not I can't do that. Yeah, I don't.
I don't know. I've been needing my space.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
So okay, one, have y'all decided your hall passed together?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh? What celebrity is that?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
You want them to fuck other people so bad? Are
hall passed together? Who we woulde like?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Who we bringing in this?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I feel like y'all have got to watch the movie,
watch the music video or something on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
They don't necessarily like the same type of women. Oh,
I mean you know.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Who I'm after? For him? Who? Currently?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
He has been my favorite for the last few years.
She about to forget? Who are you about to say
you're into? Is it a f that's a big question?
Here's met here?

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Okay, she can't lay for us together?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Oh no, no, no, my boo? Who I just she's
so about Norton and I think that white.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
Though.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
The first girl that I slept with, it really was like, no, no, no,
the first girl that I slept with was really not
down with skin bitches.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
She got me that. I said, I really thought they
was gonna be pink, and I know she was.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I know she was from Key Valley. Fine let her.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
She looked like, it's like.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
She's beautiful, a little bit who is yours.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with. Okay, keep my baby
is obsessed. Let me tell you we're gonna have on podcast.
She was.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So we were talking yesterday literally and she was like, man, Kiki,
I was like, really because Keikey to me is the
girl that it's like, you know, kicking me, teasing her
little ship, you wan when she came on here girls,
but also doesn't always like we've never seen her with
a girl. Really like but I find that a lot
of lesbians talk about Kiki, and it just surprised me

(22:22):
because you would assume it would be somebody that is like, oh,
I know, I'm gonna get that pussy, but Kiki.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Also, yeah, so you gonna get that bitch.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
I mean women, Utah could be I think I think
they're I mean to me, now, I think everyone is accessible,
Like it's like everyone's like them DMS, you'd be surprised
and responds back like, I think everyone's kind of accessible.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I mean now when it.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Comes to discussing together, because we are in a world
of nominogamy and all of that shape, and you know
lesbians are jealous?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Is it true? Who knows? I'm crazy? Y'all?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Would y'all tryed? Have you tried it? What's been that
part of your relationship?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Like, talk about it?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
We should have talked about. I tried to explain to
her what kind of you'll be talking about all this show.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
She didn't know. I said, it's gonna get it to
where Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And then y'all walk me when we talk about that,
like you like, she's like I told you.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I said, I said it's gonna be you know what's crazy.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
So, now that the book tour is on hiatus, we
decided we're just gonna get back to some more of
the runs. You know, we're a rebrand, but keep it
towards the middle of the episode. It so, yeah, So
what has that looked like? Has it been a discussion.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm gonna let you talk first, so I don't say
the wrong thing because that means you wanted to suggest it.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
No, No, I just you can't be sure what is
allowed to talk about, Like genuinely, it's the only talking
about what we've talked about. We're talking about, but you know,
I don't I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Y'all grow up in each other online and y'all want
to like y'all can't talk you were talking about we
Is it a hard No, there's an easy question. Well
the question. Give me the question time open relationships, no
monogamy and discussing that.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
That's a hard question to have, a hard note to get.
I think that, yeah, go ahead. I would say that
A and M is not a hard note, but that
it is not. We've been together twelve years, married ten
and we have we're not who we were when we
got married, you know, so in those changes happening and us,
you know, finding ourselves. Like if you look back back before,

(24:29):
this ain't Oh I walked down the aisle too, you know,
like it's totally different.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I don't know how far back y'all went.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So I'm so, you know, a couple therapies great for everybody,
especially long you know, long term commitments and stuff like that,
and conversations happened.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know that. I love that you are therapy.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I feel like couples will never admit that they do
that because they believe that it's almost a window into
thinking something's not okay.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Not even therapy.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
I just love that you were able to acknowledge and
be so so aware that if I'm with somebody for
a decade, you're not going to be the same person.
And I don't think a lot of people, a lot
of people hetero, queer, whatever, when they when they get married,
A lot of times you think you're gonna be with
the same person forever, and you'd like to be because

(25:19):
that's the person you chose to marry. But the reality is,
through experience, through life, through traveling, through job changes, a
person is inevitably going to change.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'm not the same person I was ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So to know that you've been together for twelve So
when did who started changing first? And what was the
kind of conversation around this ain't the person I'm married,
but let's talk about it, because I see that you're changing,
and I want to be able to evolve with you.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I love the evil.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
The transition career wise, Yeah, as gonna say, you had
a lot of them. Yeah, okay, personally, physically, emotionally, spirit
like everything. Twenty twenty three was the year wow that
SK have that, And with her having it, then I'm
experiencing that as well, and so you know we're just
literally like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
We're still into Yeah, where did that conversation look like
in twenty twenty three? Like there's a financial shift, there's
a physical shift, there's an emotional shift, possibly because you're
now you're dating a new person essentially.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Was so much so that she doesn't go by her
birth name anymore. So I remember when she first told
me that she wanted to be called by SK we
she had just met like her best friends. So we
were like in this like friend with the wives group
chat and stuff, and I had said something like it
was my first time using it, and I was like, well,
we'll check with SK or SK will let us know
it's something. And then she texted me on the side

(26:47):
like I can't believe you called me that, Like it
just like it was just that, Yeah, the beginning of that.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
So that's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, all lot of the things that you know, how
you said you don't remember the things that made you
feel like I did something for this person that I love. Yeah,
I just said this person because once you told me
the name change, I'm like, I never asked.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
For we didn't appreciated. I would have corrected you. Okay, okay, okay, no, no,
I can imagine. Imagine now, can I just say what? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, it got checked.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
And then I was like, it was the name and
the pink shirt. Everybody got mad that I said that,
and it was yeah, it was it was no, this
was another guest. And then they went they went off and.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Saying it right now because they they went off on
me after the fact because I was it was difficult
for me, like to say the and this was this
was maybe this was pre pre pandemic.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
So this was.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Like they always learning with people that are non binary
when they have it with you.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Now that I have non binary people in my life,
I'm like, damn, I should just be so simple because
they know.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Especially our show, yeah, like bitch, respectfully they there, but
you know good and damn well, we are on your team.
So if there is a moment where.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Like even that I felt like I couldn't even call
a bitch because bitch bitch is really like feminine, right,
Like you don't be just saying.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
But it is. It's about person. It's personally like if
they do like them, they you could call him bitchy
because they throw you down girl girl, I said girl
to me, okay, And if I talk to ship with
a man, I'd.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Be like, whoa, you know, I'll be catching myself doing
that with my straight home. Like when we get to
where we're gossip, I'll be like, girl, she's not a girl.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
He's not a girl, but we do it ship. It's
just exactly we're just communicating in such a way. What
is Alex? Are you want to Mike?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Do you realize, like as a man, when you caint
a god something like, what you're doing is condfeminine.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Have you ever been like I've.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Called Alex just because the tea it's so hot. Maybe
maybe he's not even really feeling I remember the call
you might not remember. I was like, baal take this,
I feel like come for two minutes and it's like,
so you're not even thinking you're being called a vis.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
As a man, do you feel feminine? Like no, I
don't call him in girl like because we first you
ain't gonna feel femine unless you feel fit like we
do gonna make you feel fine, But do you ever
I'm not making never offended because anything like yeah, because
I'm comfortable you want.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
The game.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I also love him, By the way.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
As soon as Alex said and then I saw.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
The nails, I was like, oh yeah, never mind.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Do you remember the very famous gay that saw you
in Delta one and came up to me? So I'll
say YAO was literally we all know him and we
all love him.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Okay, okay, he call me. I don't even know you
have my.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Number, bitch, he said, but you Ben's supposed to put
me on I know he looked like that in person.
He supposed to put me on home and I'm just like, damn,
I've been trying to podcast, but like he'll be there.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
He actually straight. Trying to who's straight? Straight? And he's like, no,
he's not. But the.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Love that for you I was you didn't want to know.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
But he was like then spoke like he was a
vibe and I was like he's just yay wow friendly.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So then we go to every Day People, we get
a table, so I invite dude over with us.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
He starts getting a drink. Alex is pouring Hi drinks
and he literally was like, girl, I'm not about to
play this game many you can't pour drink. He was like,
what's up, bro, you want to kill it.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I'm not doing this, never setting back to the table.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
That's appropriate. He knew that's appropriate. Man, Let me get
the funk out of here. I like that. I'm swelling up.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean I do the same thing when girls
be trying to be flirty. I literally say, girl, I
eat pussy. If you don't stop like doing so, Like,
let's not do this. Like if someone's even overly flirting
with me, that's not that's not into women. You need
to respect, Like stop doing to respect me respect because

(31:19):
you the mixed signals makes me uncomfortable. So if this
man was getting mixed signals from Alex, I get it.
I just need to remove my Alex.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Okay, well, want to play signals.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Were you were friendly and your nails are painted?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
He was confused. Okay, So we got a news.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Segment that we were trying out with y'all.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Okay, and basically like flower tree kind of gay, That's
what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Party and Brosa is gay? I mean, were they not
a couple for the first ten years?

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Wait, they were, they were together, but a man of
sounds they but a man.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
It was a trio at first, started trio.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
But they remember when a man that had a step
in because the want a man that stepped in. Yeah,
it wasn't and then it was a threesome. Like no,
because the other one wasn't showing up.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
They split. Do you know how I know this?

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Once you get a close friend and lesbie and lesbian
not bisexual, and you know all the other lesbians in
the community, they'd be like, I'll be like, it's like
gay man.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
You know, when they start telling you who.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Gay Booma, I will say that that is how to
google it.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
But this is a legend, y'all have no.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Facts, y'all fantasy.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Now on the Hooe tree poetry.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I've basically taken these song lyrics and I'm going to
read them like they are a poem. We're going to
see who guesses the song.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's all heard y'all playing me. Why you don't know music?
I don't know music, my wife, you know, just like
you know the song I don't know have the song
that you absolutely you know the song? Wait, why did
you make it easy?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And I think that you have to hum this song
or say it in the way, so maybe it is easy.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I'm so sitting here flossing, keeping your steelo just once,
if I have the chance, things I would do to you, You.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
And your body.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Every single portion sends chills up and down your spine.
Juice is flowing down your thigh if you're horny.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Let's do it right, genuine tony.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
But it took me.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
By the way, Let's be very clear, everyone that knows me,
I make up lyrics.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I do not know lyrics. I say, bro, now, if
I said here, now, it's different, said that that is not.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
First.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
What is sitting here flossing? Even me flossing his teeth?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
No, I don't know what is floss you that one
like yeah, wait, like looking like he was whipping. But
you know it meant like I'm sitting here looking yeah,
you're afric Americans cool.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Now flossing is bitch. I ain't never in my life
said we wait, But Mandy, that makes me ask how
old are you? I was about to say, I'm thirty four?
Really okay, you're not too far. Yeah, that's crazy, but
you've heard it.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
No one in my whole life has been like I'm flossing.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Well, no, not the teeth. Well we don't talk, Oh
my god. Okay, And there's just why because you don't drug?
Is that what it is? Is this a drug dealer term.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
In the song By the way, y'all asking for a
refund at the genuine concerts because he's not singing enough
or singing it how.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
You wanted to. That's crazy. It's crazy because I would
just be there to see the need to.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I like, I'm not sure I ain't gonna lie the
way he beat Gy right, Geny Baby, I.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Just want to hear.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
But we got to understand that when you go to
see people that are older. So Mandy and I we
had to announce something at Essence, and we were watching
ron Eisley before we were on.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Stage, and then Nigga had to sit and then we
had to take the sire off. He took the hat off. Bro.
You just how to enjoy them.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Not only that, let's let's be very clear the subtle
flex though about us at Essence, where we were on
the call sheet after baby Face and before Maxwell and
it was like, oh, do you.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Know what I said?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
The whole weekend, we're introducing Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
We weren't. We weren't, but well, you know, I said,
we had to open for Maxwell.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
But also we were after baby Face, and I'm just like,
oh my god, we made it. It was like we're
between these two minis. Also shows our age because I'm
sure all the gen Z people.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Were like, yeah, you right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Oh, by the way, I just shared a story very embarrassing.
I was being introduced. I kind of like a gen Z.
I really think I'm kind of young at heart. So
I also a weekend, I'm literally being introduced to Raphael
dec and we're having a conversation and in the middle
I see Drew Ski and I say, sorry, I gotta go,
and drew Ski I said, the only person I want

(36:12):
to see all weekend and we'll take a picture with
is Drew Sky. Was just on my flight coming back
from Essence, and I was like, I already did. I
got my picture of Juicy. I left talking to Rafael.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
To be a Millennio because I am city girl.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
But also I just saw Malenny Gravitz and I started
chearing up.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
I belonged to you, but then I'll cheer up if
I got the second dick, but not.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And to know he's looks like for ten years, I
want to drink bitches.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
That look I do look good, but to me, like
you just gotta look up when his pants split and
then it like takes it away. I don't care. Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
So we've been getting into like the history of sex
and different types of things on decisions, decisions, but briefly
because I really want to talk to y'all because the
personal experience is more interesting. Do y'all know how sperm
donation started?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, this means the crazation started with animals first, and
when they realized animals were working, the first successful one.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
What is working mean? I'm so sorry, like that sorry
that animal's pregnant.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, okay, So all then, although we tend to think
of artificial insemination as modern, it started in seventeen seventy nine.
There was an Italian priest and a psychologist who performed
a live experiment where basically he was trying to understand
how plants grew, and he saw that the embryo was
a part of a male seed nurtured in the soil

(37:46):
of a female. Like that's there's still like male and female.
I guess in plants.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh it is, so I learned that in school.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
He figured, if this can happen, two people don't need
to be having physical contact. So he successfully inciminated frogs, fish,
and dogs. Then after that happened eleven years after his experiment,
in the US, a doctor inciminated the wife of a
husband who was a Quaker wife and the husband was

(38:13):
fifteen years her senior, so he couldn't get her pregnant,
but they couldn't figure out if it was the wife,
so unbeknownst to them, the first firm donation was non consensual. Jesus,
he got the wife pregnant with the linen draper, like
putting linen inside of her and like squeezing it out,
I guess, and basically use someone else's seamen.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Oh, someone else's semen to see if it would work.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
This is probably the.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
First time they did some shit like that on white folks,
though I feel a little better about.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
No, white folks definitely did that shit.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
No, no, no, no, on a white folks, not on black
Like when people do non consent.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh, you're talking about like the experiments and stuff like that,
and it's like helpful to know.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
That when it became evident that the woman conceived, the
husband was pleased. It was never told her she got pregnant.
And then his letter went on to say years later.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
What he did discussing and that, which is weird to
me because I thought that once sperm hits like the air,
it dies.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Oh, I think it needs time. How much time? Like
I thought like once it like.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I think that's a river we heard, But I know
what you're talking about because they do say that, Yeah,
you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
It like like basically like if a nigga not on
your butt, I don't heard.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
If a nigga not on.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
Your butt, he can't just wipe up that, like if.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You want to, like you know, his white.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Half figure and become like they say women going in
the trash can to get come out of a content
won't work.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
It won't work, that's what they say. It's not true.
So it doesn't die instantly. It takes a couple of minutes,
a couple of minutes.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
So that means if a nigga not on my butt,
I could take it off my butt, put it in
my pussy and get pregnant yes, I watched a video
where this, oh, we tell him the wrong things, like
it was a movie maybe, and I don't know, it
was a white baby a movie instead of like a
proper story, Like it wasn't like a journalism.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It was like a movie. It wasn't the journey, but
it was off, okay, off something factual.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
But the whole story was that she had jacked out
her boyfriend, like they had laid by each other and
did something, and she was pregnant and he was convinced,
like she thought she was married at that point because
she was like I didn't ever touch it, like I
never was near it quick enough and like somebody had
been enough math to be like it got on her,
near her, and it was alive and.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
It started swimming to get up. No, I'm not coming on. Wait, girl,
on your.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Couchie is fucking there pull out?

Speaker 4 (40:29):
That is the pull out? Who said, girl, you know
on your couchie. Of course your coachi is still wet.
The swimmers go swim in the pond, swimming pull out
that crazy pull out a cum on your couchie, you
could still on it, like you know, yeah, but if.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
It's wet, it's like a pond, so they have something
to swimming.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I don't claim to be a sex education crazy Okay,
so that's that. God, sperm donation has been to me
crazy around Do.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
You remember how much ship they were talking about ebide
k Williams really showed me like, oh, you can't make
a choice being alone. You can't be a choice be
with somebody like.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
You can or you can't.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
You can't people, well, people just gon have something to say.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The way they talked about her for being in her
forties and using a sperm don or the best read
of all time. All you know is jo sperm donor pizza,
so check that. So it's like that was Kendra. I
actually like even though that was the best thing of
all time, I do it was, But she was talking

(41:32):
about Apollo, So it's like, I want to talk about the.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Ny you just called her air and.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Basically like I think the whole thing of that really
shows you it should be like women want to keep
it a secret because everybody's gonna be like you can
meet somebody whatever.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Now in the case of YouTube, I'm so curious how
you got to the point where you said adoption sperm
donation should be someone we know should be somebody that
we how did this all?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Did you go to a bank? Did you a friend
or finances? Was that ship for his money? Okay?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, that's the easiest place to start. So that's why
it was no ida for our I v for I've
also been for a long time, so it ain't no insurance.
But you did and you have three kids, so did
one of you carry? Did both of you carry? So
at the top when I met my lynch, she had
a son okay, had a son okay, and then I
had two after I.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Had one, and then we had to I carried first, okay, And.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Did he have to fuck? Like where did the sperm
come from? If you was talking about money?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Okay, let's let's less less clear.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
This was a stretch right off. No, not like that,
not like that. That's her nineteen seventy nine. We were
talking about Okay, you don't need but an how did
you apologize bag that you need? What did you say?

Speaker 4 (42:57):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Some viewers are we don't know how to know the
filter that you filtered to save it.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Through like the literal I just know we all thought
about non monogamy, but if it's done for science and
done for a purpose.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Maybe it's not considered cheating, you know what I mean,
Like I like, I don't like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I know what though, I would feel like if this
was my wife and I knew they had to do
that to get pregnant, it would then make me feel
like it wasn't ours, Like I wouldn't feel like there
was this connection because you just got to do this
thing and bring life with somebody else, Like I would
want to be a part of this if.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
They had it. But I'm not talking because you.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
I mean when I was.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Watching The l Words when I was younger, that episode
that everybody when Tina and and what's the name went
to the club found that boy she was faking like
a three step and he realized when he kept trying
to put a condom on and they kept being like no,
I was like, y'all try to get on the episode.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It wasn't like that they were like using turkey base
or whatever making about her like So to me, that
is how I would want to do it.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
So it was really interesting that you say that because
in that episode where they do choose to have a threesome,
they are doing it together. It is already very much
locked into what there. It's not even about him at all.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
They just want his firm. Yeah, it was still very
m Yeah, but if I'm not there, I'm gonna feel.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Like, so, how did how did both of your how
were your experiences different with the assemination?

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Like, can we know y'all's story?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
We have a yes, we have a known donor. Okay,
when we found a known donor, we made it and
he's very open. He was very honest with us. He's like,
whatever you guys want to do, we put in a contract.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
We we figured it out.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
He's a closer person than that, so we were able
to just have a conversation. He's like, do you already
be involved? Do you not want me to be involved?
Do you want me to be private? Do you want
me to be public? Do you want like he was
very fa check it off and when involved in the
child's life, okay, no sex over here.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
So that was so you were the contract was specifically
around using his firm to create life, and then the
conversation agreement donor agreement and the conversations around that was
how present he can.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Be if you wanted to be what you wanted as
well with all was back right, yeah, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Were you learning those answers with him when you guys
spoke for the first time. Did you already discuss like
what you wanted before talking to him a little bit?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Absolutely, because we had tried for years before, yeah, two
years before finally reaching out to him. And as you
just jumped straight to did y'all fuck? So did a
couple of other men that we had friends. They were
like and like, had only said yes because he thought
he was about to fuck me up, shut up, don't

(45:43):
talk no more no. And I was just like beg
to know that that's how you wanted it to be.
And then the other friend told me, like, you know,
I love you, but a child needs a father in
his life.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
So the whole time you've been homophobic, bitch, get out
of here.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
So you have all these well yeah, because even that
the process.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
You don't want to prograte with someone because then they
don't they don't respect this union.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So I was all like, wow, we
got to see really, yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
To s k because of these experiences you had, did
you give up at any point? No, it was always
for her. He just assumed it was me and I
was just like it was always always. Now, let's talk
about break that down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Pregnant, You get the because we could see we we
know what we're seeing in this dynamic. We're seeing someone
more mask presenting when choosing to carry Did you feel
those stairs.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Twenty twenty three?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
She was not mask presenting. I were a baby when
I had this baby, I had nails on. Okay, So
it's just saying like when we met I we're very
much different.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
How old? How old are the children now? Five and three?

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Is there a conversation because of course you go to
schools and there's these.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Whole dynamics about mommy, daddy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Is there a conversation at all about who the father
is or is he able to be introduced?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
What was the what was was this with your children?
I think she's with your children? Yeah, basically I think
the questions around about is really like where do your
children think they've come from?

Speaker 5 (47:18):
Because yeah, that's taught in schools and I'm sure you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yes, our kids haven't necessarily gotten to an age like
they came from my stomach.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's they can photos.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Our five year old who is on the spectrum. It's
very logical, it's very He's like my skin, mattress, Mama's skin.
I was in her belly. Was the all match skins?
You were in her belly?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Now, okay, Mama and mommy. Yeah, I have another like
lesbian couple of it.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I know that I can seeing right now, and I'm
like drunk with one of mom who's going to be mama.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
She's like the people waiting now, so I don't do
said it's mama and mommy. Yeah, but I think it's
daddy and dadda.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Have you had the conversation when they get older around
I mean clearly again and sex that they're going to
learn that the sperm has to swim.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Oh, and that's the thing. Lennox is our oldest is
like she said, all the spectrum. His superpower is fucking logical.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, you read everything. So he'll get back.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
He's already questioned, I can't give you a okay when
you get older, he'll be like, what year?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
When? When should I ask him? Gain? He don't play
that shit. He's I want to know, and I need
to know with logic, and if it doesn't make sense,
he'll ask a.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Fallow Now there's a conversation often around adopted children, right,
just wanting to meet biological parents.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
And you both talk about adopting. Who did you adopt?

Speaker 1 (48:39):
It says no, okay, no, but oh, we have to
adopt our own kids due to laws and stuff like that.
What Yeah, the baby that I carried, I am she's
also on the pir certificate. But he doesn't mean enough, right,
there's not enough laws that protect things.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Hold on, wait wait wait, you're both on the per
certificate and there's not enough.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
That's not enough. That's not Yeah, that don't acknowledge that.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
That don't Yeah, they could just if we went somewhere else,
they could be like to, that doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So who adopts whose?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I have linux who she carried and she has adopt matics?
Who get the fuck out of here?

Speaker 3 (49:17):
So parents.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Pet?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Okay? So then did the guy have to give up
his rights?

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Did he have to be involved in the donor agreement?
We kind of already have.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
That of the paperwork because I did start the process
two years when we got pregnant with Maddox, and so
I started, it got kicked back to me. So that's
why I'm like, I still need to do it because
they would like run me through everything. It was horrible,
but we had to go get it what's it called notarized?
And so we agreed on this donor agreement. I put
like five different ones that I pulled online and just

(49:52):
like cut yeah, and then you know, we agreed on
our things and then he signed. We got it notarized,
and then that had to be sick in with all
of the second parent adoption paperwork because they, of course
all the paperwork says who's the father of the child?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
You know that I will say this though, something I
think about being just helpful, Like you remember when like
super super liberals, which I thought I was, until people
were like, oh, the child doesn't have a sex when born,
and like also, uh, there's a show called Polly Family
where they are in a quad and the woman didn't

(50:27):
know who was carrying her baby.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I don't know. The woman didn't know who her father.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
She has her husband and her boyfriend, they're all a couple.
And so one of the questions raised was like, but
what about hereditary shit, what about like blood type? Like
don't you want to look this up? She's like no,
it's going to really cause a rift in our relationship,
and I was like, I hold you as someone that
doesn't think y'all.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
Because we're talking about health.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
My husband is basically like, if it's her boyfriend's baby
and not mine, am I gonna have a hard time.
I'm gonna have a hard times in this kid. So
they have two children that they don't know the father of.
And that was one of the first times where I
was like, am I becoming Harry pobably again?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Because Nigga is too far.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You gotta say, at some point my ego is less
important than my kid's health. Sure, And it really started
to get strange for me to watch it because where
I started to watch the show because I loved it,
I was like, that's gonna be me. I was like, dog,
y'all too far, Like this is crazy, this is crazy.
So the dude got the kids blood tested. The blood

(51:31):
type was oh, and then one of the fathers reached out.
He's like, but now we know whose baby it is,
and God's so upset, Like.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Yeah, ignorance is bliss some people, most.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Straight men in that situation would want to know them.
Niggas would love to be right. So a lot of
people have a heart.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So she was they basically they swapped nights, think of
sister wives, but with a couple, so each person swapped nights.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
So she didn't know have you And I'm not sure
what was in the agreement, but I'm curious.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
What if when your sons get older they want to
meet their father, is that they can't their donor, their donor?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
They're done? I'm sorry their donor? Is that that's part
of it? That's possible, Okay, I would love to know.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Just using that language, my friends that are pregnant right
now say father instead of donor.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Do you believe that's a personal ship.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
My friends with baby daddies call them donors, right.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Like they called it like I referred to I think
my dad in my in the book as like the
woman I'd a lot of that's the nigga my mama
chose to have a baby with.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Like it's I've removed the word father.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
A lot of my friends, especially who are single parents,
they refer to it ain't baby daddy. They call them
donors because like and and again, there's so many different
arrangements that could happen. But to me, that's how disconnected
they are to how that person is showing up in
the life for their child.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
How has it been when he's around. Fine, I mean,
we love them, That's what I'm saying. It's not it's
a friend. It's as you know. Yeah, I'm a strange person.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I think in the case of like your friends having
somebody that their kids can call father, we have friends
too who have children and they also let.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Their children or they all refer to the donor. It's
an agreement. I love that I may see that guy
once a month, so it's still an arrangement that works
for them. It's not about it. It is you are
this father figure and we're going to use that. We
don't necessarily need to do that before we started that.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
This was so interesting because a few years ago, Vannie
and I have talked about this a lot, and one
of the things that Vinnie and I talked about were like,
he's like, I really feel like you're gonna get emotional
and like not like I want, Vinnie, but like you're
a family girl. You want like, will our friendship go
away because we did this thing? He doesn't He don't

(53:52):
want to have a baby, yes.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Because you know, I'm like, you're the child of your father,
I mean, the father of your child. Are we friends anymore?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Will you start to look at me differently to the
expectations of me changed?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
We're talking about before this relationship you with a friend
co parent.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yes, yes, so we've discussed it and we're really really close. Yes,
ten years we've been friends. And he was like, I
don't know, girl, I just feel like you're going to
start changing.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Because he just wanted to donate and not be in
the child's life.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Do I think that you would want your child to
have a father in that in that capacity? Do you
feel like I want to have a partner.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
You can't even answer your question now, And that's how
I think I think he felt it, and he's probably like, damn,
you probably want me around.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
You probably want this kid. He said, you could take
this sperm baby agreement. It's like you are not the virus.
I want to ask the mary. We don't acquire any
Can I ask then ignorant question? Nervous?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I do you already asked today? I was Actually my
next question was really like, so how did you get pregnant?

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Oh, well, no, that ain't I'm going a little more
ignorant with a syringe baby.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Together at home or it was he wouldn't like, we're
on the way, I'm oculating.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
He'd be like, all right, I'm putting in this cup
and I would go for a run and then we
go insidement. We'd go into the permanent and be a
little Ramikin sitting on the on the dresser, you.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Know everyone, you know everyone's and then put something. Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Even though once we did go to the fertility clinic,
what the doctor said that it wasn't really she said,
do you know how many women get pregnant and don't
have an orgasm?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Would never have baby? Yeah? You know right, yes you do.
Not okay, but yes, I know we're ready just a
little bit, just a little bits. Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Maybe my mom went a little ignorant to but I
feel like someone else's mind went to to maybe our
male listeners.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You have listeners. You have every sign accommodate them male listeners.
I know not I'm trying to accommodate the male listeners.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
But there is a narrative that boys need a father figure,
boys need to be raised by men.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Boys. You know, I know this.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I know it's only laughable because like how many boys
are raised by women across.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
The moms that there all dallis who raised mom raised you. Yeah,
and they that ship they need.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
To This is because I didn't have it, and I
would have been better if I had it. No, maybe
all possibly a possible, But did you not make it?
Like you you're still a fully established person, you still
are well rounded. Had your mother but maybe had some
ability to put you like, have male figures in your
life that maybe.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
You still would have been full. Three of y'all. Yeah,
what's a lot of many two parent households?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
How many of y'all in the room there we gosars?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
You still go with your dad?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
You really impactful in your life. And that's two out
of three, two out of three talking to you. Eventually
she got married, she got okay, oh okay, but both single,
you got the world there you She's like, I did
both and now you got with you your mom.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Yeah, and then you have both in the house. Amazing.
How old divorced?

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Oh that's pretty Did you feel like that there were
only because too, Like we've seen.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
A lot of celebrities.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
I think Nelly just said it like that he doesn't
even feel like he needs to be around the baby
until a certain age to teach a man.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
But yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Literally, he said that when that baby needs to be talking, like,
he doesn't need to engage while it's crying, feeding, changing,
none of that. That's and women give men like that pussy.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
It's crazy, like, oh, I got a babysit the kids
to night, and he's like, I remember he got off
the phone.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
He's actually made me like, babysit your own.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
It was early on in our relationship. He was like,
is this nigga talk about he had a babysitting all
the sun?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Sound stupid?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
That's the standard a lot of times, Like, let's be real,
we hear those kinds of conversations all the time, men
babysitting their children.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Are you talking about? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I answer, she got two brothers. I got two brothers.
They have a godfather, and they're like they got a grandfather.
Her son got a daddy and I carry the older Yeah,
and they got there. So as a seventeen year old,
when you have these con well that's an adult.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
That's no, no, no, you don't even look like you
would have no seventeen year old By.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
God damn hours, How were the conversations like with him
since he was older?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
When you and sk decided to, you know, get pregnant.
Did you feel like you're m because maybe excited to
have he was ailing. I think the one thing I
remember him, I took him to lunch when he was
how old he is? You're right, you told him. I
took him out and I was like, yeah, I took
him to a place he was eating buffet, you know

(58:50):
your mom.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Like I was like, I got a baby my stomach
and he just was like what And then he was
like shocked a little bit. And then he said, I
had to cry and I and my little cancer can yeah.
And then and then he was like, you know, like
an only child, immediately selfish, how old girl, I can't
play with these kids?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
And I count, wow, that's so beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
And then the conversation of like telling him that I
had a girlfriend, right, because he did have both his
parents and then we surarated when he was young, like
too was when he was five in kindergarten was when
I had the conversation and told him like, well, me
has a girlfriend. So there was like that whole thing
too that I really had to navigate like on my
own with her, but like both of our families were
against it.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
You know and stuff like that. And even at the time,
like both of your families were against you telling your
son or his father family, and my family were against
me being with a woman. Oh wow right, it was
like if you have like a little girlfriend or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
But they were still trying to make me marry him,
like they were still trying to like is not keeper
on a stop?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
What? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, because the audacity the audacity religious religious Christian families.
I had him at in a Christian school at the time,
so that was really hard to navigate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Isn't it interesting how older parents.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
So my mom has always been accepting my sexuality, which
I talked about the book, which was amazing. But there
were so many things she said when I had a
girlfriend that she didn't even realize were male centered.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Did care? Loved her down so on date to get
this baby right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Like they don't even they can't say my mother the
same way. Well, I just was having such a hard
time with you being gay because I always wanted grand
kids like you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Was like you really separate, Like once you're with a woman,
they like want ice clinking, you know, you need the
cocktails downstairs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So I mean, you know, because she's always working so
I feel like, wouldn't it be great if we could
just because we were in different cities.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You guys are in the same city, and we just
who are we thinking about a partner? My mom just really,
my mom really believed and she told her in her
own way in that moment that was supportive, yeah, because
she gonna be yeah, I want oh yeah, the baby here.

(01:01:22):
And so when we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Started having sex with a dude together and being in
the throle, my mom was like, oh great, this is
this is the alignment. Yeah, and then she literally said
to me, this takes a lot of weight off you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna lie. You were
gonna have to pay for that guy. I'm surprised.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
My mom literally is a grandma by my lesbian sister,
and so so so my my my sister currently co parents,
uh or not.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
She's she's gay, lesbian, okay, and they raised this baby.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
And it's funny because her, her partner's parents family has
the issues that they're together. But also I think on
another level, her her partner's white, and so I think
her family also has a problem the same thing. So
it's crazy. It's crazy how how sometimes like yeah, she's

(01:02:22):
but the family. It's interesting because I feel like she
they have more of a problem with the fact that
my sister and the baby are black and the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Fact that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yeah, like and it's crazy because me and my other
sister we be taking dick and we don't want like
we be like that might.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
Be your only one, you might be grandma only daughter,
and we're.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Like, what are the odds what?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Me and my white friend played this game recently, so
we've had a conversation like, hey, gay kid, what are
we gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
How are we to raise it? How are we going
to do this? How are we going to make sure
we're great parents? He was like, what they like white women?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
What the Yeah, it's like you can do a lot
to support your children and being yay, but the harm
you bring yourself letting that motherfucker bring white.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Wife, don't don't I have a home? I have a
home right down then literally now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Literally to a white woman, and the fear of like, okay,
well they know I'm dating girl. She's now public with
this white woman, and she's like, that's the that's the problem.
That's like, ay, I remember having a homeboy, and this
is another thing. Even in queerness and stuff. It was
like there was a part where he started dating trans

(01:03:45):
women and he was like he already knew. He was like,
they won't even let me bring a white woman home.
I already know this is good, Like the way that
there's literally.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
There's the interracial part of things and the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Queerness level of remember where you know, So my friend Brandon,
we've had him on the show be Rich. Brandon told
me at alex we were drunk at Soho house and
there was a really attractive guy that walk by and
he goes, bitch, I don't know what made you think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
He's in his forties, said never, I have never, And
I was like, white person, I've never been with a
white person in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I would be so like not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Even a shame, but like the fact that someone you
better think I'm gay before you think I f a
white man, Like like, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
I've never been with a white person either. It's so weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Well I'm lying. This guy did make me like eat
this white girl's pussy. But it was fun. So made
that made me. She was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I wanted a threesomes. She was a fun white no no, no,
like yes, I think dirty blonde.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Oh no, she wasn't even I I think I think this.
I think this white girl was from Boston so white. No,
let me tell y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I'll be feeling so bad for my mom because her kids,
her daughter ended up queer, and then her son got
with a white woman.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
And I'm just so grateful, Anna, I love you. She
British and French culture she got. She's not American white,
that's all that. I just aritage of white America. You
know what's funny about this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
My ex was British and I used to have to
say my ex was British, and I have to be like,
but he's black.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
You like, like, but he's he's black by Rachel Black,
so like I would all like us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Now, as we're rapping this episode, before we get to
last few questions to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
Go around and say something nice about a white person,
Have you ever woman?

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
What we fun I'll start? Wait, let me talk about what?
Why are Angelina je white woman? Would we fuel life?
What silott? John Hanson got it for me? I know
what crazy super.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Love the other day and I got But it's only
because she's always on the top of ship and her
body is actually.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Team and I went nineties Angelina jo and I want
the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Of this shit too, but honestly in its ripe age.
You know, look at I'm giving you too much the
old white woman already.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
First off, let me just okay, were rolling for this
one to justify I'm trying to just make answer. She said,
this is I just want to I had to answer
on this. Why I would do Sandra Bullock is because

(01:06:47):
she's a bad I feel your baby, I feel you.
We just pay attention to her ready for that. It's
a lot of years. Watch mister, watch your walk out.
I'm with you on this one. Yeah, miss congeniality she is.
It's like, I've never seen a white girl look like that.
Oh so there's Jerry.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
There's a lot of naturalness.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
She doesn't look extra that cake. Let me make let
me make you have been young before I say that.
You know Arina carbon Yes, I was close. She's twenty six.
I'll take it. Oh no, she to me, if you

(01:07:26):
make it white, I want white white. Look at that.
She looks like a fucking Barbie doll. And she'd be Robbie.
We're gonna talk about Margo Robbie too. But Sabrina Carboner. People,
you don't like Sabrina carbon Murcat Robbie. No, she does
look like a ball Margot Robbie.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Oh yeah, no, Barbie's when she was pregnant too, she
was looking good, Doctor Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
If I had the movie Barbie movie, the person who
played by No, I was saying, Alex, who's yours?

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
We know you got it already, you gotta she likes
what I would go either Scarlet or who's the girl
now with the big ass breath? Oh Sidney, yeah, wait
no she it was hell, didn't she with the geens? Yeah?
That was she? What she do my jeans? So she

(01:08:14):
did this American a whole American ass. She was like
some people's jeans are like transferred.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
They were trying to make it seem like it was jeans,
but they were talking about g E N E yes,
we know. And then she goess are passed down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
It's like a break the American flag. Come up with wasxual?

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
No, no, no, no, it's talking about the standard, the standard.
You're beauty, Cody. It's very Cody. You know what's crazy.
I think everyone has a lot problematic, but everyone has
a price. I think there's people that would.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Be problematic for the right dollar amount like for me,
to me, I didn't think it was problematic, so we
got to dig it. Like to me, it was because
you're not about jeans, then you're in situating.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
She just levis just put out a Beyonce ad that
says Beyonce has better genes, trying to like, oh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
Did see that. I didn't see that. I did see that. Les.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I do think that there's a price those people, especially
white women, women like they don't have morals because like
to me, doesn't Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Doing an astronomer ad after her husband it was money that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Made her do and it's just like it was genius.
She called her husband or her ex husband said this
is for the both.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I'm honest. Wait, you didn't see you don't need the world?
So you know what the CEO.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
That's the ex husband of Gwyneth Paltrow, bitch And they
didn't used him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
They didn't use Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Hey, I know a lot of you are looking at
the company, what is it about?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
And then like great, it was great, But I'm like, oh,
I don't. I don't actually think that's for the money.
You don't think it's for the money. I think she's
definitely not. She said, Babe, I'm gonna do this thing.
It's gonna go in Apple's joint. Saving that ship is
just funny. And we're gonna name their children Apple.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Oh wait, that's for real. You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Podcast, but we talk about Tay's baby names, Alex look
him up right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I will tell you the latest baby is Aquahan.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
White people have the nerve to talk about black names,
and they're naming their child Apple, Malibu Barbie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Like these are their children's names, like their real name?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Who is this person's a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Named Malibu Barbie, Malibou Barbie? What uhus? But I was
like the name Barbie Aquaman, name Elvistas Aquaman is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
That baby's first name Elvis Aquaman and Malibu Barbie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
And malam Barbie is the name the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
When you are rich and right, you can name your
baby xcel r K well like Elon must did or
you got. That's funny people, and also real ship. It
makes me think, what whole type ship.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Am I gonna do? Appropriate? No, no, no to me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
White people's celebrities are only able to do that because
they truly believe in nepotism, and so they don't feel
like their children are.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Ever gonna really have to work.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
They might have to be because I ain't gonna hold
you I've had. I mean, clearly, I have to hire people.
I got a resume, and the names that Aquaman. The
way y'all be judging black names out here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Hr period, I'm not hiring someone named I'm not even.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Calling because you serious, I'm gonna try to figure out
why didn't give us a better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Name, because to me, I think people ain't a bad name.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Actually, Malible's not bad, Barbie, if you go by your
full name, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Not Actually isn't that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
But Aquaman is nuts aam is the same that baby's
gonna go by Moses, and Moses is too old.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
But apparently she into like water, which I don't give a.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
More.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Are you doing that to your child? To me, that
should be a form of child abuse, you know how?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
No, Frianda loves traders. I saw this ship. She was
telling me about it. She was like, she's so different.
I see.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I think that that's why I would judge you, like
if your name is Aquaman, I'm I'm convinced that there's
some turbulence in your childhood that you might come to
me emotionally unstable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Well I don't have turbulence, that's why are you coming
to me?

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
But by the way, my name is Amanda, very simple, right,
I grew up.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
I grew up getting team a man dump, So I
only amagine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
What do you think I got? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
An absolutely bro that is literally a mimennial. That is
typical Amanda's baby.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
So dump ever, heary love when I get anything? A
first on her?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
That was a whole y'all's almost baby names? Oh yeah,
for your kids?

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
What did you not go with? So?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Wait, why did I just come across that list? But
I was looking at Maddox's uh science, his birth chart
and said list.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Was harder too because we named him two days after
three baby y'all days later. So I was I had
a homework and I had been calling him. You look
like you had a bone verse. Okay, look not too much.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
I think that's what she's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Wanted a water water Okay, you tap in. I want
to help it. I want to be a duel. Look
at wait, you can have a baby with yours. I
got all four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
The thing is like your mag there's a lot so
it's like they say, here's some history.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Ye, here's some history. Did you know, Oh the only
reason we lay on our backs to have birth at
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
It is because for the no, no, something appeasing to
the man.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Not a specific man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I think it was like a king or like a
somebody that was running something. He was a perf and
enjoyed watching women have babies, and because they would normally
do it that way or standing up, he made them
lay down.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
So he could watch.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Shut the fuck up, so he could watch strangers wives
have babies at random. And then it became a natural protocol.
Look at you bring in history because because I was like, what,
I have my baby at the hospital. Thankfully they sat
me up because they you know, there are some things
like they'll lay you back or like they'll let you
get a little bit more comfort. Whereas when the time
it was for her to have her baby, she did

(01:14:44):
everything so holistically her baby, our baby. But when the
time for her to have a baby she was carrying,
she did everything so holistically.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
She did it at home.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
She practiced hypno birthing so she could like control, like
do all this stuff that I it's crazy because they
take you put.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
I mean I didn't even learn until like maybe five
or six years ago that you should take a ship
with your feet elevated.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
Like yes, like take a healthy ship.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
And you breathe. You need to breathe. You don't stand
on the toilet. How much easier do you ship? How much?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I mean not that I'm comparing shipping to put it
out a baby, but I thought you put you doing
the hypno bathing, that's what they're comparing. They tell you
to breath down like you're doing that, you know, like
and that's why you're not supposed to Like you're never
supposed to do that. You're not supposed to hold your
breath sometimes having a baby or you don't need that.

(01:15:34):
Breathe through and it'll come out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
That's the only time this is and it we have
learned so much. But to me, having a hard try
it a birthday troll. Like when I be having to
push out a really hard ship like a baby, I
could never have a baby like this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
You got to even go through that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
That is Oh no, that's so because I have five
that I have to do a C section. Gonna say,
but you know, I want to be a homebirth girl.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
So what am I gonna do? Look, I was a
homebirth girl with out a midwife. She ain't make it. No,
it's not that advance. So you caught the baby? It
was you caught the baby, delivered our baby. I just
called who else was that? By the time, her mama
was in the back crying. My wife wasn't even didn't
I held a baby? She was there. She probably got

(01:16:23):
there fifteen minutes later. Wait because of the traffic. What
the fuck did the midwife show up?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Lake?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I think what happened was that she missed She didn't
understand my lyns urgency because my line was so calmed.
I was baby because of hypno birthing baby, but it's
a second birth, and so she was just anticipating that
it was going to take a while. And my doula
that I had was also a first time doula, and

(01:16:48):
then I had did hypno birth thing on the sign,
So I literally it was my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
You're gonna discod did she's a hypno birtha? And I'm
assuming you ended up what you ended up? What she
ended up going through a program or like A Yeah,
I didn't have to pay for any If I would
have called that program like this bitch. I didn't even
make it all time for my baby. I would have
called it been like she you know nothing, say yeah,
just said yeah, and we can been connected until she birth.

(01:17:16):
He say it on babies, be smarter when you look
when you like, I've got a photo of him connected
to the placenta.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Still like the now, because you did all this, you're
also you ate the placenta, didn't you? You put it
into pills and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I want to I did so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I was thinking about freezing it from smoothies and then pills.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Oh, it's like, you're right, it's science, it's healthy. Yeah
it is. Yeah you should Also, I don't want to
be depressed. I'm so prone to be a little sad.
But first off, yes it is. Yeah, helps the MOLTI
depression everything. But girl, let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Mandy gonna be so sick me on this podcast when
I'm pregnant, because anybody we have I'll be like, are
you trying to get pregnant in two years?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Time, which is also why we be like damn, we
need to go out now. But then every time we
started having a really good time out, we'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Like three three more years. Bro we literally was out
with you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
We keep pushing it wild out.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
You say we're gonna make it to ten years and
the bitches, we gonna send you all a real We're ending, but.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Then we're like, huh, maybe we'll stay on Patreon. People
do virtual me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I just really want to be able to if I've
been doing a podcast about sex, health and wellness for
half of my adult career, what the fuck am I
doing getting pregnant and not sharing this with the people
who have watched.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Me on this journey.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Likely to me, it's just like almost not like they're
owed it, but I feel like I'm owed that connection
with fans too.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Bruh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Someone dies in my family. That sounds depressing, but like
then me and someone else are gonna share grieving stuff
and what do we do? Like there's always been a
connecting like thing, and I'm sure you felt that too.
When Mandy and I go on tour. The last tour
we did, so many people are coming up to Mandy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
About weight loss and it was just like, weight loss
and cancer are my two connections with the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
And it's intense, like like maybe make me crying.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Shit, I'll be like, but those are my two connections
with a lot of the listening people.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
For mine, it's having older parents, I would say, oh,
and probably also them being just like super emotional and
wanted to manifest and being kind of gay your parents,
Are you being gay?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
No, I say kind of gay, because I'd just be
like I'm getting over now and then I'm doing that.
And I think a lot of people like feel I've
just noticed I get so many DMS from women that
are very confused about their sexuality and feeling like I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Won't judge them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, that makes sense, And so I think being flighty
about what you're feeling is something you feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
You can't really it's flightiness.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
You feel like you can't come to someone who you
may know this lesbian, because they're gonna judge you. So
when someone's by and been living in their bidenness out
loud for a while, it feels like a safer space.
I don't I don't know why, yeah, but I mean yeah,
so to me, the second I'm pregnant, all y'all hoes
they be.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Telling me what to do, what to eat shit, I'm
gonna say space too. That's why I fuck my friends
like we upsex together and and they know it's the
same place.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I'd like to know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
I'd like to know what it's like after you your
friends and you guys just go back to being It's
so crazy. It like litt it maintain sex though, or
is it like a one off thing that just happened
to happen or do you guys discuss it in advanced
like do you want.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
To come over? Gas man? You know what's crazy? And
normally just.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
And then like after it happens once, maybe it happens again,
or like then those becomes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
In between, is what I'm Yeah, how is it okay?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
So for me if I have sex with someone now
we can't watch a movie anymore without no, no, without
I don't know the boundary now, so my own girls
come over. We've be kicking it on the couch. Now
that we have sex, How we sit on this couch?
Are we supposed to be doing it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
No, we're supposed to be touching. I actually have a
weird in my.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Own head, like yeah, your head, your head is different
than my head, you know, like when do we do it?
I mean to me, to me, it doesn't change anything,
Like we're able to still have fun, go out, eat drink.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
It's it's all the same stand up, you put your
clothes back on. I really want to in high school.
In high school it was me I'm learning, But.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Listening to you say this, I'm just like, Okay, that
sounds like that's a make that Me and too my
girlfriend's had and we would do the ship after.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
School, go like have some fun and then literally it
never disturbed our friendship. It never never.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Disturbed, Like we don't even but we don't even think
like we don't it's even something to where like after
we have sex, then it might be like, oh I
might be able to get her to join me in
a nigga, Like it just becomes like giry you want
to go on a trip with, Like it just becomes fun.
But I think a lot of my friends just view
sex as like a night out, like there's not we

(01:21:48):
don't like. To me, like so emotional ties like the
exchange of it fun.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
But it's not like emotional ties having to like it's
not all that for you. So sex to me is fun.
Sex to me is like we went bowling the other datute,
So such a different Literally.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Like the way I view sex is like something that
brings us into this like you know, this this emotional
state that now our whole dynamics have changed. Like it's
why I believe that even in and having sex, And
I talked about this in my twenties, casual sex, like
you could have sex with a man and not mean anything.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
So here's where I think there's like are these friends,
like Crystal is your best friend?

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
But are these just friends that you just see one's
in the blue, like can have a close connection or Crystal,
you know, I never fucked Crystal, but she's not gay,
like she don't like women. But all of my friends
that like women, majority of them we've had sex.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Damn, Like not uncomor like there's something interesting about being
gay and single, right because in LA I think there's
this underlying story like when you finally get in a relationship,
your homies probably already like somebody like everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Like being.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Yeah yeah, being single, being free, being open, and you
sleeping with somebody that's not the weirdest.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
I mean, I think I think I didn't even realize
it was like this thing until like my ex he
said that if he meets a friend, he would like
to know if we were intimate before now, And.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
I was like, bitch for what, Like I didn't understand
that thing. But I think because like.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
Many of y'all, it would it would be, you know,
it would feel like there would be in the room
and not know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
I feel like now I'm the foot, which is maybe
that's what it was, but I'm but I also had.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
To do the explaining that, like they don't want to
be with you, We're like they can still be over.
They're not gonna get jealous of you, Like we don't
have that dynamic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Interesting, Yeah, if I wasn't here, y'all could, and if
y'all on a vacation, you also could maybe, And so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
I told him that like there was there was one
home girl.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
We were out and I texted him and I was like,
I'm not I literally said, what's funny is I told
him one night that I said, ooh, I want to
a girl. I'm just in the And it's funny because
I ended up sucking my friend and he was confused
because he thought I was just gonna pick.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Someone up from the club. I was like, I got
a girl with me right now, why make it hard?

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Like you know what I mean, Like like and she's
into girls, And we were vibing, and so we fucked
that night.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
She made me squirret on my living room floor.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
It was great, and we haven't had sex again since then,
but like we'll make out still.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
We like we like rub on each other, and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
It's just are you making out in private spaces? We
made out in the club, Okay, so seems to me
that's different. Yeah, but it's like a night out you
haven't and That's what I'm saying. But even the night
out may lead to the bedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
It's possible. And so for me, like, I don't know
why I am just starting there. You guys aren't going
You're not coming over for this intimate thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
No, Like there was a home girl that I ended
up having sex with gay niggas well. Maybe it's maybe,
Oh I say it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
We were just shout out to Matthew and I thought
they was together.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Matthew is one of.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
Our patrons, and he said that he really resonated with
one of the chapters as a them presenting gay man.
He had all this, and I was like, I didn't
you know, when we talk about men being able to
relate to certain chapters, I don't think I ever considered
how a gay man would read our or see our
stories and relate.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
And I said, you know what's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
I lived my life is a gay man, and I
know I do. Like that's how I you know, it's
literally just nails.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
Yeah, real, No, this is what you call y'all are
very less y'all nails. Is that's crazy because I don't
even use these hands for that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
No, not even a little bit. Still okay, but not
by are you guys? Toy ladies? No? No, I'm a sissy.
That's my ship?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
That's my favorite? I don't I've never done it such
a no. No girls on the hips, the thighs, baby,
the wideness, the wrighter, wright or white. It's like coucie
bumping is difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
That is my favorite girl because like the last three
soon we had with a lesbian so she literally said
we were on the date.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
She was so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
She was like, listen, like I funk about one nigger
every five years, but this doesn't work for me. So
when we she knew I was in a scissoring whether
it be from the show where I said it and
we finally.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Started to fans.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
She was a fan, but how she know from the
show Black and thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Four and like Leslie, she's on field. She if she
knows she got she went like she's a fan. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
It was the third time we anyway, So my man
started watching a scissor and he was like, Okay, I've
watched you scissor other women.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
This was the first time where I was like, oh,
I get it now. And he's like, is it because
it's because some other girls don't be coming they be
faking it for you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, And he's like, maybe like the girls that you're
fucking that don't He's I didn't even He's like, y'all
weren't even on each other's pussy any exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Feels like you was coming from the diactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
It's just that's what I was gonna say, Like, people
love scissoring, but when I think about bumping cunt, you
can lay flat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
I don't need to do all that white ship. I
need this to touch this, right, we just got to.
You just have to hit emotion.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
And that's probably what you were actually doing by the
time because real thing like, ain't nobody yeah yeah, yeah,
the jack says it on the titt right, That's what
I'm saying, Baby, all I eat is friction.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Baby. Yeah right, but I feel like like when girls
they feel like it's weird. Oh no, I don't yeh.
I'm just saying that I understand that with.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
I always understand whatever people are into.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
You know what I mean. Away, let's tell me where
that they can find you and you yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
Now, yeah, yeah, you horrible one day to get real.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Behind the paywalls.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Since if you own a business, right, oh wait, tell
us about the businesses, kids, men and all the things doing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Oh my god, the whole run down.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
So you started off by saying that we don't do podcasts,
but I do have a small podcast with my best friend.
It's called Hella Good Company.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Love It. We do a podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
We also do event production all throughout LA for black
queer women and it's trans inclusive. We are having our
first event, which will have happened after this, our first
international Pride event in Tuloom. We're very very excited. We
cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
And then we do a lot of scissoring there. I
think that, you know, I think that there will be
of the real kind.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
One hundred and fifty we bought, we got out like
the first Doug Earal event. We literally sold off.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
For a first event. We're really really excited. You are
going to have to hold each other and be.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Like when it's all, they're gonna they're gonna be like
you need a third Okay, that's exactly but yes, that's
what we do. And I also run in an interior
design firm. That's my bread and butter design.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
It is the design. Yeah, and I married an artist
who my turn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
I was homeschooling for a while, but that should have stressed. Oh,
I believe they're about to start school.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
It all gets get him out of here. I know
it is. It's been a work in progress of getting there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
But for a happy wife who's mentally stable, you know,
that's what we're gonna do. So I've always worked with kids.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
I'm an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Right now I'm working with foster kids, teaching them art
and art therapy type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
So I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Wow that really I love meeting a wholesome couple.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
I was about to so long ago changed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Yeah, it's one of a bitches fight we got to
be because I've been a lot. We could do a
Patre episode.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Episode tell me fighting and to Loon is getting jealous
and I better not. This is a real this is
a real mature group twenty year like. See, this is
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I was saying a nigga like thirty six got on
a fight. I said, oh no, I can't do this
too much. You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
We can't be if you want your thirties, you can't
be fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Bruh. Just don't do well. Go and support them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
All of their links are in this bio so you
can go and check them out and check out the
hell of good pod.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
You gotta have us on some time.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Of course, and if you haven't yet, make sure you
cop no Holes Barred getting a dual manifesto of sexual
exploration and power available now wherever you get books. Thank
y'all as well for helping this book become a New
York Times best seller. Baby, and then also, if you

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want more content, if you miss more of the sex,
the runch and all the things, it ain't go nowhere.
Horrible Decisions is on Patreon, so join us at patreon
dot com backslash Horrible Decisions All y'all. Thank y'all for
tuning in to another episode of Decisions Decision, See y'all
next week.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
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