Ep77: Working Out the Kinks Feat a Therapist

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, I just wanted to give a four warning
to this week's episode of Horrible Decisions. It is like
none other that you have listened to before. We will
not be discussing kinks this week, nor will we be
discussing really freaky kicky ship um. In fact, as many
of you know, Weezy and I have been going through
quite some turmoil behind the scenes, and because we have
been so open with our listeners about every step of

(00:23):
our lives, we decided let's not hide back from the truth.
So we actually sat with a therapist and kind of
worked out our issues with each other. We kind of
preach every episode the importance of communication, and communication has
not been one of the strong points between Weezy and I,

(00:44):
and so during this episode you will listen to a
lot of emotions. Um, there was tears, there was yelling.
This may be a difficult one to get through, but
I did want to let you know that we did
come out on top. Weezy and I have actually got
to our differences and made up and Horrible Decisions will continue,

(01:08):
So if you are ready, please buckle up and enjoy
this week's episode. Hey guys, um, welcome to yet another
episode of horrible decisions and as you guys know, UM,
we have been going through, UM, quite some turmoil over

(01:30):
the last couple of weeks. We might not know, UM,
a lot of people know. I think UM. There's been
other podcasts that have spoken on us as a duo
in this podcast. UM. There's also been quite some ster
in the social media around between Instagram and Twitter. UM.
We're very UM open. As you guys know, this has

(01:52):
been a podcast where we've opened up, UM about a
lot of intimate details with ourselves. And as you guys know,
and as you guys have pointed out, not only on
YouTube but also in the comments and in the blogs,
you guys sent some tension between us. UM. So with
what's been transpiring over the last two weeks, we did
not want to keep you guys out of the loop.

(02:13):
I do want to say before we start this episode
that we are not going anywhere. Hopefully, UM. We are
going to stand strong. I know that we have changed
a lot of people's lives with this platform and we
want to continue doing that. UM. But unfortunately, before we
get to keep doing that, UM, there are some things
that we just kind of want to work through. And

(02:33):
we decided since we are so open um with our
very intimate details within our life that we open it
up and let you guys in on it. Since we
have on Instagram live and our tweets and everything else,
I don't feel that way. Um. I want to let
everybody know that I don't feel like this should have
been something that we did. I do want to say
that I think that because me and you have talked

(02:54):
about doing mediation on our own, that it's not everybody's business,
but if you want to keep them in the loop.
I'm only here because, like I said, you you want this,
but I really don't feel like it's any always been
as business at all. I'm appreciative that you're here, but
I feel I take therapy very serious, and to me,
this is a free therapy. And I'm more excited because

(03:16):
you're female, excuse me, a woman and black. But I
just think that I don't really care what anyone has
to say about what we have going on. I care
a lot about what you have to say in your feelings,
and I feel like this almost makes it a little
more of a mockery because we allow people to be
in on something that's so personal to us as far
as our business. Could it not be a mockery and
and something that's actually modeled, because from what I gather

(03:40):
and what I have had exposure to, your back and
forth on social media is unprofessional. It's not kind, it's
not thoughtful, and that's a mockery of the work that
you do. So this is actually something altogether different. It's
about trying to understand each other the underlying reasons why

(04:03):
there is so much conflict and others can learn from it.
We're not going to dig too deeply. I am here
for literally just another fifty seven minutes. Sure, So before
we start, let me introduce myself. My name is Dr Pettiford,
but I've been referred to as I want to call

(04:23):
myself some lady doctor some lady because I actually heard,
uh the podcast that you were on the other day
and you said that you would prefer for van or
friend rather than some lady to provide you all with mediation,
and so that to me says it on area right,

(04:46):
what would make them more qualified? I don't think that
it's necessarily about qualifications. I'm sure that you spent a
lot of time with schooling and and with other people
trying to figure out how to help us and benefit us.
But as I've said, I do really appreciate therapy, and
I do feel like this is a I don't feel like.

(05:06):
I mean, I even told Mandy last night, I don't
want anyone else to be in the room with us,
you know. I don't want to see a king behind you,
or even Christopher sitting here, even though we work with them.
I feel like this is a very private thing. So
if we're going to make it a whole podcast entertaining thing,
then I did want another entertainer there because to me,
this is too personal. I didn't want it to be
a social media thing. I don't want Instagram lives or

(05:28):
the tweets, which was why I reacted the way I did,
because I didn't want that. For many I would have
wanted her to answer the phone. So no, I didn't
want this to be I take your job very serious,
and I feel like this podcast, it's a comedy podcast.
It's not that serious, and this makes it. I don't know,
egos get into it when Mike's and other people are around. Well,

(05:49):
can we dispel with that that concept? I think that
has a lot to do with the the conflict intention
that you two have is egos and arrogant, And do
you know the difference between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is
a false sense of confidence is a mask. And that's

(06:10):
what I perceive is going on here because it is
all fun and games, but you two are not being
holy truthful with each other or your audience. However, there
are times when you want to dig at each other
and take it in a personal route, like with I
don't know who that person, I don't know whatever it

(06:30):
is that you mentioned the trick that was played on you,
and then you get pulled in and feelings are hurt,
and rather than one person calling the other, it gets
completely blown out of control, right, and then we feed
into it. You feed into it by even entertaining a

(06:50):
question on another podcast, And then I mean there's let
me yes, UM obviously UM upset by it because I
think that what you two have is a beautiful thing. However,
I think that your ego and your youth um are

(07:14):
getting in the way. So what I would like for
each of you to do is tell me in one
sentence what you believe the conflict is, and please don't
make it of a non sentence. Who would like to start?
That's fine, I'll start um and I'll leave it at
one sentence before I tell my story, but I will

(07:35):
say that the problem that I have is the lack
of respect, and I can leave it at that because
I think that's the umbrella for everything. Okay, So can
we see say is the perceived lack of respect and
absolute lack of respect in public and in private both
It's not perceived and it's been something. We talked about

(07:57):
it before, though that was more than one sentence. We've
got to listen to the rules here. It's fine. I've
got to say I think you two are billiant. I, however,
am not. And I'm about twenty years older than you,
so my processing speed is so slow. So we're going
to follow the rules, not talk over me and and

(08:18):
one sentence, so please tell me, weezy, what in one
sentence do you think the conflict is. I'll be honest,
I'm I would rather listen to Mandy at this point,
she's telling me that I don't respect her. She's like,
it's absolute, it's a fact to me, and I don't
want to make it longer than I have to. Why
don't we just let Mandy maybe talk and then maybe

(08:40):
I can respond. I don't want to keep thinking about
how she feels. Because I spoke to her last night.
I gave her call and I said, hey, like, how
did you feel about what I said about Van? Can
you tell me your feelings on that. She's like, Nope,
it was wrong, blah blah blah. I thought I was
as respectful as I could be. I don't feel like
I said anything wrong to her or anything like that.
I don't hate Mandy. I don't feel like I did
respected her. So can you, Yes, you can. I don't

(09:05):
know what the conflict. I don't. I don't know where
it lies. So that's why I want to just listen.
OK So just say that. Then don't put it all
on Mandy, because that's not you taking ownership or having
some sense of accountability. Because relationships are bi directional. Contribute
to them. And I know there was something that happened
I made her upset, But as far as the true conflict,
what the real problem is, No, I don't. I can't

(09:25):
answer the question. Okay, how many I'm I'm breathing. I'm breathing.
I promise you I'm breathing, okay, and I will remain.
You just said to me. I don't know why I'm
missing the point. You need to follow my rules. You
need to follow my rules, and I gotta say this.

(09:46):
We're not doing that. All of it's from here and
here because you already have it all lined out. Okay,
but okay, the seats are needed. Seats are needed because
what was spewed on the Vanileithen podcast in terms of
her side of this away from me, and maybe we

(10:06):
could just start. I want Mandy to feel like she
has to get whatever I saw, but also I want
to be able to say my piece too. Okay, Mandy,
you have got to have, as a teenager, say some chill.
I'm chill. I'm not even doing anything to see you are.
If I ask you to stop talking, then you need
to just pause. And I paused, and don't interrupt her.

(10:28):
Let her speak her piece, because let me be the
one who regulates, okay, which you are. I have not
interrupted her yet when I listened back, if I interrupted her,
I'll sense that my expression and face and emotions over
here are showing to you. But there was nothing that
came out of my mouth. I sat here and said
what I said about the Van show, and she interrupted

(10:49):
me and said, Okay, well that that's what we talked
about last night, etcetera, etcetera. If you're saying that I
can't sit here and show the receipts for the false
things that were said, then I will not show them.
I will tell you this. What's happening is I'm getting
the bulk of what it is that you do with her.
You don't feel heard, so you're gonna keep talking. You're
gonna keep talking over me, and you're not going to

(11:11):
listen to the rules. That's not how it works here.
I want you to know that I am going to
hear everything that you say, but you need to be patient.
I hold you in high regard. You're not going to
be ignored or disrespected by me in any way that
I'm aware of. So let's go to the Van Leathan Show,
because I gotta be honest with you. It was tortures

(11:33):
for me to listen to that only because this podcast
and I have no interest whatsoever in cream pies and whatever. People.
I just it was painful. No, just the one. I
only got sent the one. So I will tell you this, Um,
there was a part in the podcast, and I think
what happens with you wheezy is you're unaware of the

(11:55):
words that you say, and then a short period after
you speak, you contradict yourself. So what you said was
you had no beef with Mandy, you had her back,
all this positive stuff, and then you said, very distinctly,
very very plainly, there was some other thing that Mandy

(12:18):
had said on a previous podcast. So when the thing
started to unfold with whomever that person was, Andrew and
I still think by that, let me finish, you said
something something to the effect of, well, she did it
to me, so I'm okay with it happening the way
that it did. Do you do you take ownership of that?

(12:41):
I do? Can I explain why what I need for
you to do? And yes, please explain why I need
for you to speak slowly and be thoughtful with your words.
And I don't want to be her fault with my words.
So I said that because so when I was saying that,
I was sitting there I had no beef with her.
I didn't say anything. Immediately when I saw what happened

(13:04):
on Twitter, how she was upset, I was like, what
the fuck right? And I was thinking I didn't say anything,
How could she have been as angry blah blah blah
blah blah. So then when I finally got to talk
to her, I called Mandy. I tried to hit her
up every day. It was constant me trying to connect
with her and talk about it. And when I finally did,
she said something along the lines of like, uh, you

(13:28):
said nothing to stop it or whatever, blah blah blah,
something like that I didn't stop it, which I should have,
which was a lot of the feedback I got from people,
even though I didn't make the joke, I should have
stopped it, And I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna stop
you it right now. You're you're not answering my question.
Do you take ownership of the fact that you I
But to me, I'll tell you I didn't think it
was a contradiction because what I said, what you just said,

(13:48):
I said about how I had no beef with her,
and I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't. But the
reason that I didn't speak up or felt they need
to say anything is because why would I need to
come to her defense when why she says what she
wants to say. So if someone else is speaking about Mandy,
the only thing I should have defended was her way.
Other than that, I don't know if she sucked up
my Alex or not. It was a prank towards me.

(14:09):
I still too in this moment. The only thing I
could have done was maybe stopped it sooner and say,
let's not talk about this. But okay, so maybe I'm
not being clear. During the podcast, you said that you
defended Mandy right, and then you then you said something

(14:31):
to the effect of, well, you didn't feel like you
needed to jump in because she had said something hurtful
about you on a previous podcast. Can you say yes
or no? Yes, Okay. What you're doing is you're talking
around stuff, and so what I need for you to
do is to hear what I'm saying and answer my

(14:51):
question because you've got a gift for gap you do.
You have a gift, and what it's doing is it's
not a allowing you to take responsibility for the hurt
that you do. I would like to take responsibility for that,
but I can't tell you sincerely that I really believe

(15:12):
she's using the word respect and I don't feel like
I was disrespectful to Mandy. And maybe that's why I
get very confused and keep talking about in it sounds
like I'm talking in circles because I really and maybe
that's because of the intent. Can you say this, Can
you say that when you heard this whatever podcast however
long ago that Mandy was on, you heard some content

(15:34):
and it hurt your feelings? Yes or no? Yeah? Did
you ever talk to her about that? Uh? Yeah, I
was in Japan. I talked to you. I text her.
She told me I was tripping. Um, yeah, I did. Okay, okay,
But whenever you because there's so many lies that are

(15:54):
being said right there, I didn't hit you up about
I didn't hit you up. I didn't hit you up.
You were upset that I sat here and said that
the reason for our podcast being successful from an early
start was because and how you said something. I've said
something because I gave it to the fact that I
was already sitting on a social media following and you
felt that me saying that it wasn't just Mandy. That's

(16:17):
a shitty thing to say when you had another podcast
and you're giving no credibility to the fact that people
don't okay, okay, so so mad because I didn't give
her credit on another poet Then you went on another
podcast and you said I was said some shit about
my feminism and how I said, you contradict yourself and
you're a hypocrite, which she just sat here and how
home this whole week And I'm hypot about how you

(16:38):
contradict yourself, me saying that you contradict yourself, me saying
that you're a hypocrite. Those are things that I've said
on our very own son. How can you really have
a leg to stand on about our brand when you
went online before you called me? How could you do
that and look me in the face and early say
that she's done? Mandy, let's take let's take a berest
right now. So what I'm hearing is you admit, which

(17:00):
is really hard for you, that someone has hurt you.
You had a heart right, No, no, no no, that you
were hurt by her words to me. I don't understand
your generation. Talking is not texting. You were in Japan
or someone was in Japan? Was the time that I
connected with her? Yet? Okay, So tell me this. Did
you ever have a sit down where you hashed it

(17:22):
out and resolved it? Yes or no? No, we've called
each other, that's the only we've never really said, you
talked about those things. So I tried multiple times after recording. Okay,
she's always too busy to say. We always tried to
talk before podcast, and I said, listen, wheezy, when we
talked before shows, it affects the content. I'm not talking
to you before a show. This has been at least
the last couple of times we've record. Only tell me

(17:43):
you were doing another show. That's the only time that
you wanted to sit with me. Okay that I do
want to say, um doctor, that what she is saying
as far as what I said on the other podcast,
her being upset with me that I sat here and
gave credit to our quick success early is the fact
that I had another podcast and the fact that I
was sitting on a large social media following is me

(18:04):
not stroking her ego. So sorry that I people are
here with millions of followers in their podcast sucks. I
think it's not me and you don't think it's our dynamic.
That's what I'm saying. That's so discrediting to what I
do with you. Okay, but but listen, do you hear
what she said? She's finally thank you, admitting that she
felt discredited. And I've got to tell you, Mandy, beautiful, smart, lovely,

(18:27):
you have to be not so itchy scratchy with your words,
meaning don't take all the credit. And I didn't. The
interview was about me. They asked me about my my
podcast before, they asked me about my blog that I had, before,
they asked me about starting the podcast, how it started.

(18:48):
There was a whole conversation. I felt like, absolutely for people, Okay, okay,
I got it, and that to me is not Let's
just say this, Yes, take some credit for yourself, but
if you're about building a brand, and if you're about
being professional and maintaining a relationship, you need to soften

(19:10):
it and also give credit for where you are. You're
not the this. We we have five thousand listeners at
this time, we weren't where we are now. We were
where we are now because of Charlemagne andrew On brilliant idiots.
You have got to stop saying that as well. We
have got that is fine, but we have also put
in a whole lot of work as listenership. Are we

(19:32):
really not going to give that credit? No, we can
absolutely give them credit. But that's a problem that I
think that you have. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't
I don't care about them, I don't know what. Can
we not talk about it? I'm closing. Okay, So this
is what we're gonna do going forward. We're not calling names. Seriously,

(19:55):
you two have had conflicts and some dude in Orlando.
You're telling me that you have not learned anything from
that time, from then till now. I'm sorry your feelings
are hurt, but I have no no, no, no, no.
That's not how you talk to people. You don't say
I'm sorry, your feelings are hurt and then a butt.

(20:17):
I'm just having a hard time trying to express empathy
when you go on Live saying that you want to
fight me. You know my number, you know where I live,
you know where work? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me tell
you something of this? No, not, no, no, wheezy, what
are you talking about? Really? This is since our conflict.
This okay, okay, so Paust for a second, let let
us address this. First of all, you're both in your twenties.
You both work at these whatever whatever, what great businesses

(20:42):
whatever you're both making. I hear about it. Six figures.
Tell me why you're acting like your street doctor, I
will sit here and please, yes, and that's fine? So
what what? What was fine? No? I'm no, I'm You
said please and I said fine. As then I'm going
to sit here and explain myself. There's no explanation for
threatening violence. I did not threaten violence. That is not

(21:03):
what was said. And she was not on my life
to hear that. Whether that was the message that would
let me sit here and say exactly what I said
at this point. This was after a text message that
I had received to her where instead of apologizing to
me because she now saw how hurt I was, I gotta.
We don't like each other anyways. Fuck you go do
your own show and their screens. You said that one moment,

(21:26):
one moment, one moment, one moment, you were trashed for
telling me to get my own shows. She's super trash
and you told me that I need to worry about
our brand of the first thing you did was not
that the phone on Twitter. Stop let me know, but
don't trying to sit here and tell my my side.
I have not gotten to say anything about Mike. Okay,
can I can I just say this? Yes? Take it

(21:47):
down all right here? Probably, And I say that because
I need for you to be calm. That's the only
way in which the message will be heard, because otherwise
all I'm hearing is noise. Both the narrative that is
being put out is that I did not reach out
to Alex or Wheezy about how I felt prior to
going to social media. It's being narrated that I went

(22:10):
straight to social media before speaking to both of them.
I will sit here and say, Alex ignored my message.
Alex is the cameraman that I apparently sucked for video
that this keep us. Can you translate that for me?
What is fun for video means? So that's what was
part of the joke, part of the prank that was
insinuated about me on top of meet him fucking fifty

(22:31):
pounds off of my way, I just had the gastric sleep,
So wait, jokes was not funny to me. Secondly, there
was an insinuation about us paying him a low amount
of money because I was making up for it by
fucking him for our video. This is what the prank was,
and this is what the joke was. I take this
business and what I've done for this show very seriously.
So what that joke and tell whether it was a

(22:52):
prank or not, whether it's about him sucking me. I
put a lot into horrible decisions. I edit our episodes.
I've sat here and reached out to brands. I've done
I'm sorry, I've done a lot for this show. So yes,
as someone who is a feminist, for her to be
in a group of men where they're insinuating that's fine,
that that I've fucked for our video, and for the

(23:15):
narrative to also be brought to another podcast that we
landed on loudspeaker because of who she may or may
not have fucked. As a woman who has worked hard
for this brand and who has not slept her way
to get anything and has busted her ass, I genuinely
felt disrespected. From a business standpoint, me and Weezy are
not friends, and that's fine. So the respect that I'm

(23:36):
talking about doesn't have to be from a personal friendship level,
but as your business partner. To laugh in a room
of people making that joke and to not stop that,
I felt like it was detrimental to me as a
person who's trying to build her brand and detrimental to
horrible decisions. Okay, so then you're you're you are contradicting yourself.
You're saying, on the one hand, you don't care on
a personal level, it's just business. But you're saying that

(23:59):
it does affect you on personal level. It affects me
on it affects me personally in my own brand. That's
what I'm saying me. I would like I would like
for you to own the fact that it does affect
you personally, because when people speak about us in a
disparaging manner, it's hurtful. Yes, yes, okay, so forget you too,

(24:23):
being BFF or whatever the terminology is. You go way back,
and so there's a bit of loyalty that is owed
to that history, and you don't feel as though that's
being honored. No, And I, given what I've heard, is
that you have some unresolved issues anger issues towards her,

(24:46):
and so you are more apt to allow those disparaging
comments to be made. I will say that yes or no,
but okay, fine, no, but yes absolutely. I feel like
the respect was me not entertaining it. And if I
was in a room privately with no not miked uff
with cameras, I wouldn't have This is the thing I

(25:08):
feel like if Mandy was in that room without if
guys were talking about me, she would join in with
that stuffs up, not miked up. This is how Let
me just get just just get let me let me
get this out. No, no no, no, no no. I would
never talk about Mandy without without phones, without cameras. I
would Their respect I gave her that day was the same.
I would give you a private doing what you're doing.

(25:30):
It's called a rationalization. You're making an excuse for your behavior.
Right now you're talking. I still own that. I don't
feel like you deserved me to do anything else, not
the person you've been to me. Let me finish. You're
rationalizing your behavior by coming up with the hypothetical it
doesn't matter. It's fine. What she does in my face,

(25:50):
then there's no rationality there. What she's done in my face?
What you do? You do? What you do? What you do?
With going on these podcasts, it's like shopping all over
the room. And you're not just shopping all over the room,
you're shopping all over your brand the podcasts, Yes you do.

(26:11):
How did I shoot on our brand? When she went
on talking all the about every single person, we didn't,
I said, I could not say you right now because
of the angel way finger that I felt to me,
I said, and the way that the way that I
know we speak and clearly you like this is. We
tried this on Sunday, which, by the way, was the

(26:33):
first time you called me since Thursday. Okay since Thursday,
I called you every day since day. I called you.
I asked, can I talk to you? Can I talk
to you? I called you on the phone on top
now you text stop talking now, so no, stop stop.
That is unnecessary. That is unnecessary. Excuse me. I didn't

(26:56):
go you until no, no, no, no, no stop stop.

(27:17):
You each want to be the queen of nothing. I
just wanted to be over. I don't want to argue.
Well then, well then you need to pause. You need
to be more mindful, and you need to take ownership
because you speak, in my observation, without thinking. You let

(27:38):
words come out of your mouth that contradict previous words,
and you're not You don't take accountability. I'm not saying
the accountability I need to take for what I did
I grant? What do? What did I do? What is
the accountability that everybody wants me to take? I should
have debt the joke, yes, and you should have also

(28:00):
owned with Mandy the fact that you're pissed from the
past and that I said that I was very really
trying to be honest in the moment, and now I
feel like your honesty is only half honest, how because
you're not speaking truthfully by saying situation in front of

(28:20):
saying that you would defend your girl, your partner, but
at the same time, you're okay when people disrespect her
because you have previous booth. See, here's the thing. I
don't know to ever disrespect and that's what I feel like.
I didn't know what's happening. I didn't feel like I
did that, and I still know. What I'm saying to
you and you're not listening is that you need to

(28:41):
think before you speak. You have a habit of just
defending yourself as though your life depended on it. So
I'm humble enough to say what I'm wrong, and I
can understand again you're not. You have to pause because
you're not taking most of what I'm saying in because
you need to respond right away to defend yourself because
you need to be right and you're not always right.

(29:02):
And that's okay. I don't think. It's not about being right.
I just don't want it to be misconstrued. Okay, so
if you give pause for a second, allow yourself to
digest it, maybe the words that you say will not
be misconstrued. Okay, Well, what do you want me to speak?
I want? I want, I want. This is an exercise

(29:24):
and your ability to just have some verbal chill, which
you don't have. And that's what I meant by you're
going on these other podcasts shipping all over the room.
It's a it's a clinical and not so clinical term,
which is that you're making a mess everywhere you go.
You create chaos. What other podcasts you're talking about that
moment when the prank was played, That and Van Show

(29:45):
and if you have I asked Van if Mandy wanted
that cut out, to take it out, I'd asked him
if you discussed this, I didn't want to do that.
But this, this is the thing, This is a thing.
It didn't even need to be edited because it shouldn't
have been said as a professional, as a person who's
trying protect your brand and have some sense of loyalty
to your girl from back in the day, whether or
not you currently like her. You don't even answer the question.

(30:08):
You don't entertain it. You could ask me a million questions.
You can ask me a million questions. I can understand
that the onus is on me whether or not I
want to answer it. Okay, I will. I will agree
with you on that I could have dead it that
so by doing but I didn't want to. And that's

(30:29):
where the nastiness comes out. But I'll tell you why
I didn't feel like it was because I said nothing
bad about Mandy. I wished her nothing but good. I said,
I wanted us to stay together. I said, we're stronger
together about what I did to her. You you, you're
constantly undermining any kind of positive regard that you want
to express to her on Van Show just now with

(30:52):
your words. I said to you, if you could not
have said it, would you have edited it? And you
said yes, And and you said, well no, I wouldn't
know because not that I was saying yes, I'm agreeing
with you that yes, I could have debd it. I
could have, but did I want to know because I
wanted people to know that I didn't have ill feelings
towards her. Mandy had been on live every night talking

(31:12):
about me going on Instagram. So I wanted people to
know that I didn't harbor those emotions for her. Fun people, person,
I can't say people were here. I don't want to
be here. I'd rather be with you in private. Me
excuse me? Fuck people. You don't owe them an explanation.
You don't owe them an apology, and you don't know
if I don't know them an explanation, why are we here?
You owe it to her, And I wanted her to

(31:36):
hear me say that on a public platform. Excuse me.
The public platform is not someone else's podcast. It's right.
It was in the moment. It was a question, it's
not you want to. That's why I'm going back to
your ego being bigger than you can actually contain. Right now,
you need to be more thoughtful and meditative as opposed
to speaking quickly. Okay, can I so before we because

(32:00):
I've been real quiet. I know and I know you're
gonna be in the hot seat soon. That's fine. What
I need for you to do is to apologize to
her directly for what can I be honest? And that's
why I don't know. No, I don't want an apology
because I'll be honest with you. I don't. I'm sorry
you were hurt, but I'm not. I don't want that's

(32:21):
what I'm sorry for it? Then don't. I don't want.
I don't want to give an apology. Wheezy. Let me
ask you a question. How many close friends do you
have in your life? And don't tell me the you
know the people that who are her cast and a
close first that person, no, be real with me. Someone
who is your writer die you call them when you're
feeling fucked up. My mom is one. Four Your mom

(32:44):
doesn't count. Okay, so three and you want to know
how they felt about this what happened? Absolutely not. I
just I don't care about what their thoughts are about
this interaction. I care about how it is that you
interact with them when there's conflict, not like I'm interacting
with many. I didn't ask you that when I don't
really have conflict with close friends because we're really communicative. Um,

(33:06):
we call each other a lot anytime there's an issue.
We don't really hold water with each other to make
sure that it's not spilled, and we have long length
conversations about our feelings. Okay, so how long have you
known these three people, one for twelve years, the other
for five five years, the other two for five years.
And so how is it that you can't utilize those

(33:27):
same communication skills with Mandy because she doesn't give them
to me? And I feel no, no, no no. I
asked you that you see what you do? You're so tricky.
I would I would charge you double what i'd usually
pay because you're you just switch her out. I'm not
trying to switch it. I'm being honest with you. That's
how I feel. They don't. We don't talk to each

(33:47):
other like me, like Mandy talks to me. Why I
don't excuse me. What you're doing again is you're constantly
deflecting and making it about Mandy as opposed to you.
Just ask me, why don't I do it with her?
I said, why don't you do it with her? I
didn't say, what does she do? Because I'm giving the
same energy that she's giving me. My friends are very
sounds very lame, all right, That's what it is. My

(34:08):
friends are speak Do you take any responsibility for the
fact that that was one of the friends from five
years is a therapist as well? I don't like it's relevant.
My point My point is that the way in which
you just responded was so quick and immature. She doesn't
do it to me. What do we in middle school?
So I'm gonna ask you again talk about it from
your own person. It's not me trying to be immature.

(34:29):
If it's If it makes me immature, then I will
take that. I can't give Mandy that same communicative the
skills you're talking about, because I feel like when I
talked to her it turns into this. So why am
I going to talk to her like I talked to
my other friends. I've tried to get those long length
texts and be nice, asked for conversations, and they don't work.
So you feel like there's no reciprocity. Yes, you are
entitled to your feelings, Mandy. You can shake your head no,

(34:53):
but you can't. But you cannot take away from her
subjective feelings, just like you don't want her to do
the same for you, which is okay, that was probably
a better I couldn't get that out, but that's that's
what it is. If I do it, I feel like
I don't get it back. Yes, it's not reciprocated. Um,
Mandy has even there was one conversation, and I don't
know if you know what I'm talking about. If you
can remember, Mandy was angry about something I said, and

(35:16):
I told her, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to
do this. Blah blah blah. She hung up the phone
on me. She called me back and she said, you
know what, I shouldn't have hung up on you. I
was like, I was really sorry. She's like, I think
when you're what you say is phony. I think the
things you're doing is phony. She's like, and I shouldn't
have done that. And I really, in the moment when
I apologized, her meant it. And I appreciated that so
much because I think that she assumes when I speak
to her this way, it's phony. But what would have

(35:38):
been phony is me saying sorry. Because I do still
feel like I can't understand, which is why I asked
Mandy to speak first, because I want to greet it. Sweetie,
you don't want to get it. That's that's for the thing,
that's for the therapist. You don't want to get it.
I think that you why do you think I don't
want to get to think that you've dug a hole
for yourself so much and you have so much bravada

(35:59):
to defend, and that you are not allowing yourself. Are
you looking at me like that? She's not looking at you,
she's looking at the cry whatever. It's so hard to
look at you. You're talking about fighting me like stop, okay,
stops later the victim, imlay victim. She's talking to me.
Are you fucking kidding me? Mandy? You wear the whole charade.

(36:21):
You're the reason we're sitting here, sitting here, I have
not I have not. Fucking God, bro, Okay, I can't.
I can't do this. Yes you can and you will.
All you do is ship on me, retweet all these
people that agree with you. It's so fucking cheesy. You
talking about Nicki Minaj. You are Nicki Minaj. Bro, you
dug this hole. You cried on the sea, you talk
about you. I can't believe you're doing this. Every time

(36:42):
you get mad, you talked about doing another show. That's
the only reason I said, get your own. You always
do it and wait wait wait wait, and so that's
woa wia woa. So but that's your issue, isn't it
that God that's so mad at me? I'm not using
you away. You fucking always talked about how you want
to do something else than do it. Don't be hearing me.
If you don't want to wheezy will be wheezy. So

(37:06):
the fact that she keeps threatening you, I'm not. I
don't threaten to leave. I say I want to create
another show, and I said that all the okay, I
want to do it. Stop stop stop stop when you're
mad you do that. No, I'm not. I came to
a king month way even look me in the face
the fucking day you told me that. Are you serious?
You were like you said, I hate working with her,
I hate doing this. Your hilarious side is that is

(37:28):
that a verific can We didn't chifiable. You didn't know
that this is verifiable. We bring a king and that
and I can't have Alex not you do this to me?
All he not my best friend? This was okay, so
step a king, okay, would not stay here aside. So
I've been speaking to Yes, I've been speaking to multiple
pull of my friends as well as the network about

(37:50):
doing another show. Okay, we do that before we started,
way everone way before we started okay, so wait wait
wait wayforea okay, so this is this is another. Another
reason why there's so much tension and conflict is because
you feel betrayed. I can wait wait no, no, let
me finish. This is a this is a clinical interpretation. Okay,

(38:11):
you feel betrayed Wheezy that she's going to go on
her own and quite frankly, I heard you say on
the Fish on this podcast that either one of you
could be gone. It's about the brand. The brand, okay,
so stop stops up. So the reality is I don't
care what you all say. It's the brand is nothing

(38:33):
without the two of you. I agree with. That's magic.
It's for either of us if I left it, she said,
audition to replace me? So stop why not? It would
be fine love for horrible decisions, okay, okay, talking about you,
we're gonna leave, You're okay, so okay we can so
I can't think of what I'm gonna do it, but
you can sit here and talk about that. Why we
can't talk? No, no, no, that's where it gets where.

(38:56):
And I can't plan. B when you were saying you
wanted to leave and talk, when you just called me
Sunday to sit here and say I called you and
I did call. Stop stop stop stop. Can you too,
just stop? You're so afraid that one is gonna leave

(39:16):
the other. God, can't you just admit that ship? You're
giving me a fucking headache? How does anyone anyone come
in here and enjoy themselves? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.
Both of you are like hurt sisters. That's the thing.
You're like sisters, and sisters fight all the time. You

(39:40):
cannot cannot cope with the fact that both of you
have talents that can go outside of this place, and
you're fearful that this, the core where you started, is
gonna go to ship. You're afraid to be left. You're
afraid to be left. You keep saying, no, I disagree
with you. I disagree with you. So I haven't been
able to say anything about hey, how I felt at

(40:02):
all um and furthermore, when I spoke on bringing the show,
and this is where I also feel like there's an
agenda to make me okay, okay, okay. I won't go
that route. I won't go that route on this post.
I'm gonna I'm thinking, I'm gonna think this. This is
your time right now. It just needs you to listen.
You're gonna be so mindful of your words. I will,

(40:27):
I will, I will do not be accusatory. No, that's fine,
that's fine. UM, speak about your feelings. I don't want
to hear my news. Okay, So if we go back
to the feelings I think I shared on on how
I felt UM when I heard the joke which has
spared a lot of this. Okay, can I brought I
brought that to you. Can we can we fast forward
and we fast forward to that. UM. I shared my

(40:49):
feelings with both Wheezy and Alex in a text while
it was going on. I was called while this joke
was going on. UM. I was relayed by Andrew that hey,
we're saying a prank that you fucked Alex. Okay, can
you stop with that. I'm hearing you. I get it.
Your feelings were hurt. Yes, I gotta ask you, do

(41:10):
you think it is wise to lash out on social media?
I don't. I'm not asking you about what Wheezy does.
I'm asking you about this live snapchat. These tweets. Tell
me what was your intention? Answer the question? The intention
of me going on to social media, which the Twitter,

(41:31):
which is where I spewed UM, how I felt was
too I would say, essentially to clear my name. At
this point, this was UM about four or five o'clock
in the afternoon, so the show had been aired and
my mentions on social media, my Instagram, Alex's name was
added up and down. Oh you smashed that you're using
that blue choo on that Alex tapped that all through

(41:54):
my comments. So when I went onto Twitter, I want
to clear my name and let it be known. At
A I did not funk that man B I did
definitely did not do it for for video time. And thirdly,
I thought it was disrespectful that people who are a
part of the Horrible Decisions brand sat there and laughed
and let it and let it go on. That That's

(42:15):
what I did with social media, Okay, So can you
admit that it wasn't just about clearing your name. It
was also to say why I felt the way I felt.
So it wasn't only about clearing my name. The other
agenda was The other agenda was to sit here and
share how I did not think it was a joke.
I need for you to speak more truthfully. That's one

(42:38):
layer underneath that. What was your spewing, as you said
on social media about UM if are we going back
to are we going into the lives now or still
on Twitter? Because that's all it was. And then me
and Alex went back and forth. I'm asking you, uh
you said social media. There's two points that she's brought up.
The Twitter, which is where I brought up, and then

(42:58):
the Instagram where I sat here and allegedly said I
would be her ass, which was not what I said.
I sat here and said because they asked have me
in her talk? Why don't you go to Wheezy? So
my response to that was at this point, she had
already responded with the funk you we don't like each
other anyway to get your own show. Okay, it's in
the texts. Stop stop stop stop? What was your agenda?

(43:21):
Speak plainly? So my agenda was to sit here and
share why I spewed what I did. No, you're not
answering my question. Was it to say fuck you? Too easy?
Was it was my agenda to say fuck you to Weezy? No?
I don't. You can sit here and not think I
was truthful. But at this point I'm very upset with

(43:42):
how people who are a part of my brand just
treated me treated me on a public platform, and so
what my agenda was to do was to sit here
and actually show those emotions and sit here and say
that yes I wasn't, and to sit here and clear
my name and UM say no. So so say it
was retaliatory. Yeah, no, I don't. I would not say

(44:07):
it was retalent tory. She went on. She went on
to apply, we're not talking about her. We're not talking
about her, we don't. We don't have to talk about her.
That that show gets a quarter million listens. I gotta
tell you. That's fine if you don't care. But it wasn't.
But tell me it was any bit of what you
put out there to her her feelings to herr feelings. No,

(44:29):
she knows exactly how the funk I feel about her.
So then why didn't you text it to me? Why
did you do it? On? I absolutely texted to I
sent her to I have. I have screenshots here which
I can't pull out. That's fine. I did bring them
because I sat here and shared my thoughts about how
I did not think it was a joke. And her
response to me was no. Her response to me was,
let me finished. Can I finished? I let you talk.

(44:53):
Her response to me was it didn't even feel real.
Um and but okay, so wait wait wait, not only
did it not feel real, she said between Joe Button
and flagrant going on the Brilliant Idiots feed, this is
great week week and it was because to me, To me,
the fact that content and us getting numbers was weighed

(45:17):
above how I would have tell you that here it would?
I know? How about this? You never heard him? Maybe
I didn't know you would be a podcast? So how
about you knew I would be mad because you asked Andrews.
I did, but I didn't know you were going to react.
And I did ask him to take it out. But
you still okay? So eazy? Didn't you know that she would?

(45:37):
She had a negative response that she her feelings would
be her Yeah, and he took things out. I asked
him to know, Yes he did. Don't tell me that
you are in the room. Yes he did. Let me
tell you something. If you had that much power about
what it is that he edits out? No, I don't
have that much power stop it. He wouldn't take the
stop it. I couldn't even get him to take out
something I said incriminating a guy that I past. So

(45:57):
how about this? I asked him to take out things
I thought would be hurt and he would not remove
the rest of it. He said, I'd have to take
out the old episode and it was going forward. Would
you do the same? There is no when Why did
she when she well, it's because can you say I
thought Mandy would be a jokingly funny like fuck y'all,
blah blah blah. I never thought she would do that
for cameras. It wasn't it. No, can I say? Can

(46:20):
I say to me? This is the analysis talk about
west on our show? We talk about fine. Everything we
talking about on my way and me fucking married men
has nothing to do. You talked about sucking for things.
That's fine. I will don't here if that's why I
didn't think she would be mad not letting me finish,
and why this is why I've sat here and gave
me I gave you the floor for good damn near

(46:43):
fucking twenty five minutes and didn't say a thing. You know,
this is what happens when this is why we cannot
talk and I tell her, she she listens to respond,
She doesn't listen to listen. She literally said she wanted
to call me to understand how she felt, why I
felt the way I felt about everything when you finished,

(47:04):
let me finish. As soon as I picked up her
call on Sunday, This air Thursday. This is our first
time talking. We spoke on Sunday three four days later,
but before I could get a word, she said, listen,
before you talk, I need to let you know. And
she goes on for about four minutes. So you did
not call to understand how I felt or why I

(47:26):
took everything away as you called me to clear clear
And I get right, I get it, I get it,
get it, weren't wrong. And I O, well that you
not wanting to know about my feelings. Bro no and
and and wheezy when you say, well, it's gonna be
a good week, our numbers are gonna be up. And

(47:46):
that's that's that also undermines the relationship professional and personal.
That's how I took it, because you're more concerned. And
actually I don't think you're more concerned with I think
you have difficulty owning when you suck up. You have
difficulty owning when you hurt people. You have difficulty owning
that your communication skills are not great and can be

(48:09):
I don't agree with you Okay, so myr communications so
many are poor. Yeah, okay. So when you call her,
rather than to deal with the hard stuff her feelings,
what you say is to get around it, oh girl,
or nobody's gonna be up. No, no, no, what she's
saying when I called her, when I talked about me? Okay,

(48:29):
So that was just that was reaction. So how about this,
How about the fact that you didn't do what you
know needed to be done, Lawrence, an apology because when
you called her up, you didn't ask about her feelings.
You made it about you one thousands stop. Sorry, I
don't think that hard. I'm not trying to think hard

(48:52):
for you to take ownership and apologize for that. Don't
tell me you don't have any empathy about that. I'm
not going to not apologize for that. Say, okay, I
apologize for whoa whoa. Open your eyes m hm, open
your eyes and look at her, because she's actually making
a genuine apology. I apologize for that call because I

(49:14):
know when I called you, in my mind, I was
reading what you were thinking happened, what you saying that
I was disrespecting you, And all I wanted to do
is let you know that's not what I meant. I
wanted you to know that. I asked Andrew to take
things out because I thought that would know and it
was wrong what I did. I should have asked you,
and I did that because I felt bade wheezy. You

(49:34):
talked too fast, you talked too much. Go back to
what you just said. I was sorry for that, absolutely,
I'm sorry for that. You do not apologize to me,
because that would have never happened to me. Apologize to her.
I'm sorry for calling you and talking about me first.
Let us stick. It took minutes to get here. I

(50:02):
will tell you this, if I were running Ellison, you
both be gone. I can't. I would not entertain the shenanigans,
the buffoonery. It's unnecessary. There are other people out in there,
out in the world who are just as talented as you.
It is too much of a fucking headache to listen

(50:24):
to this because you cannot take ownership for something so simple.
This is about you talk about female empowerment. You can't
even look each other in the face and apologize for
something that you know you have done wrong. And it's
it's okay to be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm
not wrong, but you have such a hard time owning it,

(50:49):
and it would be so much easier if you could
just do that. I can't tell you I'm sorry. That's it.
That's it. It's not that I'm not saying that it's wrong,
but I felt like I would have been empathetic. If
that's all, we can't go on. I can't do it now,
not after what I've heard you say, so I don't
want an apologize to that you told me. I don't

(51:10):
see you can't even stick with something good for two
fucking minutes. How is that? This is really hard for me?
I know it's really hard for you because you're asking
because I've done so much apologizing. Are you fucking kidding me? All?
I dud what's easy? Wheezy, you get dead. You have
a hard time apologizing. It's like you always have a

(51:33):
problem with me, and that's why I'm feeling Mandy. You're
like me. I need you to chew with the faces
you Wheezy. Let me tell you something. You're not the
bad guy, even though it feels that way so frustrating

(51:57):
with this ship. I understand that, Mandy, I feel like
you think I hate you and I'm like, I feel
so bad because I don't hate you, and I really
feel sorry that you're feeling like this, but like, no, no, no,
don't cut it, don't but it don't. I can't not
but it because I know then you have to stop yourself.
You have to stop yourself. I'm just so frustrated. Okay,
then own that I don't want this to happen, but like, okay,

(52:19):
I just if you want to do your own thing,
because you can't do this. But you said it, but
you said it, but you've said it. I think I
have not. She has done a lot of I heard
you say no, no, no, and that stop. So I'm
gonna allow us to go over maybe two seconds. I
need for you to take in the fact that she
has finally apologized. I didn't think it would take this way.

(52:41):
I didn't crying because I feel so bad that you
really feel like I just hate you, and the fact
that tears don't be unkind, I'm not. Yes, we spoke
last nights for this to be an agenda right now
to make me the victim or me the villain. I'm
feeling okay because now I will speak, Can I speak?

(53:04):
And and and no, you can't because I won't stay
here and I'm not digging a hole. I'm not sitting
here and say, who can we just pause for a second? Yes,
we can pause. When's the last time you saw her cry?
She cars all the time? What the funk? I cry
all the time? You fucking cry on Instagram? You're really

(53:25):
doing this. I'm crying because I feel Baddy, You're hurt
and I can't believe you don't know. Okay, Well you're
saying I don't crying for me. Empty minutes into this,
you called me like crying me because I really believe
that you really think I don't respect you. Okay, So
then tell her you do and you will, of course.
I okay, So stop, Mandy, And so going forward, are

(53:47):
you willing to make a commitment to demonstrate that every
single time you to interact, absolutely single time you to
have a show, every single time you tweet something, be
about it? Absolutely? Absolutely, of course I do. I will
tell you I'm sorry if you felt like my reaction

(54:07):
to you wasn't enough, but I was hurting that you
did it on I'm okay, that's it was reactionary. I'm
just trying to explain why I that's okay. I'm not
trying to not take the ship, so listen, listen. I'm
not trying to not take ownership like Mandy. Listen to
what she said, She's trying to take ownership. Yeah, it's
not that, of course. I don't want to sit here
and make you think that it's fuck you. I said

(54:29):
that to you because I was angry at your reaction, right,
just like you said you did it because you were angry.
But that's why I did that, And I'm sorry if
it hurt your feelings. And I'm crying because I can't
believe we're here. So I don't want to be on
this fucking podcast doing this with you. I would rather
be sitting in private, spending any fucking dollar I could
to make it work. And I feel like there are

(54:51):
things that are said on the mic. Okay, no, no,
and that's fine, No, but I know this is true
because what being said about me and what happened I
about me is a lie. That I sat here, Me
wanting to do another show, is not me wanting to
leave poor decisions, me sitting here wanting to wanting to
do Like I've sat here and we had a conversation
and that's fine, and I'm not self righteous. But me

(55:12):
sitting here knowing that she's sitting here and crying, I
get that. But I told her last night, and I
told you last night, And I'll sit here and I'll
sit here and tell you I have I have UM,
I had my ears done. I'm sorry, I speak loud.
I have UM surgerin both my ears, have tubes in
both of my ears, so I speak loud. UM. But
I will sit here and say, we spoke last night,

(55:33):
and I told you. No, I told you, Wheezy, my
issues with you have been dealing with this podcast, and
there are under Let me finish, there are underlying issues
that you have with me. No, I know this, Let
me finish. You brought it up to me last night.
You brought it up to me during episode. Okay, so wait, wait, wait,

(55:56):
you brought up I don't give a funk about ship
before a start to show you only you know because
she's rying right now on the show. It's fun. I
didn't say that I have to spoke last night. We
spoke last night. Bro, Yes, you know what I think.
I think you can't tolerate the fact that she might
actually care about She doesn't we we spoke last night,

(56:19):
and she wanted to make sure that certain things were
not brought up because she still feels ways about things that, Yes,
you put me in a book. I didn't want to
talk about it because you're talking shitty for that we weren't.
And that's where I didn't want to bring up. I
didn't want to say that it doesn't here. You weren't us.
We were not. That's why I want to bring up
this bullshit because see that's what I'm saying. You can't

(56:40):
sit here and tell me you feel one way on
a mic and you're sitting here crying because you want
to understand me when we ring, because I'm angry that
we're here and I've tried she sat here and called.
She hasn't cared about how I felt when I'm the
one who called you. I want to called you last week.
You've I don't want to ask to do there again.

(57:00):
I don't care about your reciprocity. How about this. If
we cannot come to some kind of resolution within the
next five minutes and is it five minutes or four
minutes and seven seconds, then just throwing to tell what
do you want for me to feel better? Like that's
what I need to That's why I'm crying because when
I said sorry to you, you all you said is
I don't care. So what do you want me to do?

(57:22):
What do you want for me? That's why I'm crying
because I feel like I will never get anywhere with you,
and I feel like I'm looking at the end because
I'm sitting here really telling you I'm sorry. You don't
look me in the eye. You turn your face for
me when I'm sorry, and tears come out because I'm
seeing that it's over because you just don't. You don't
believe me. Okay, so stop stop, Okay you don't. So
why do we do it? What three things you need

(57:45):
from her going forward in order for this relationship to continue?
Because she's putting it in your lap. Now. You're the
one who has this laundry list, your receipts as they
call it, of things that she's how she's wrong you,
and you want to stand behind that and you want
to be the person who was right. So can we

(58:06):
shed that for now and come up with three concrete
things that you need from her in order for this
relationship to be maintained, And please don't be accusatory. I
don't have to be UM. For one, it would one
thousand percent be the communication. UM, can you be more specific?
So the communication as far as we've sat here in

(58:27):
this room and when I talked before, I can sit
here and say what I mean, she's responding to respond,
So she's responding to what she's she's responding to respond
or as I'm sorry, she's listening to respond, she's not
listening to listen. And I genuinely feel over the last
year and a half with this business, whether it's from ideas,

(58:47):
whether it's from disagreements that we've had off air on air,
I genuinely feel like she listens to me to respond.
Do you think no, no, no, no, no, Mandy let
her finish. And no, that's not why she doesn't believe
that you cried. So what you're saying, I'm gonna reframe
it is you want to be heard. That is why

(59:08):
you yell so loudly in addition to drink. But right,
you want to be heard by her. UM, just say okay,
I'll say yes because you want to, but there's no
way to. So you are really kind of so I
imagine I kind of know what what what wheezy feels

(59:33):
like I'm trying to be kind to you. I'm I'm
being thoughtful. I'm saying, I'm paraphrasing it that you want
to be heard, and then you try to obliterate what
I say. I actually can you might have something there?

(59:54):
Holy cow, I do I do get that? And I
will say, in part it probably is from my bias
because I don't believe a lot of things that she
says to me when she does try to be kind.
So I will say that that is something that I
possibly do do and I will admit to that. Okay.

(01:00:16):
So it seems to me that there is a lack
of trust. Okay, So trust needs to be real built,
which is difficult. But I have a feeling that trust
overall is an issue in your life, or a lack
of thereof. I would disagree with that, Okay. I have
very long standing relationships with with friends, with family with

(01:00:37):
like I would disagree with that. Okay. You can have
very loyal people. Are you trusting of many? I'm okay?
Maybe not? I mean, God, do you think I have I? Okay?
I get that. Okay, So number one, yes, you want
to be heard? What's number two? Um? Number two and

(01:00:59):
it's something that has happened. Well, well we'll know whether long.
If you said, what what I need from her in
order to make this work? Okay? So can we we
can we do this instead of telling me look at
wheezy and tell out wheezy wheezy. This is something that
I've said before. I'm sorry, UM, I don't feel like,

(01:01:22):
what do you need? Don't I need you to meet
me halfway with this show? We have a partnership agreement
and you do you have not so that's fine, all right,
meet you halfway. What's the third thing? Okay? She said,
we have fine menes. That's all I meant. I wasn't
trying to demonstrate. I just felt like there was a
lot to unpack because you and I can I can

(01:01:43):
I be the okay? So I said I was gonna
go over a couple of minutes, be present. So you said,
meeting you halfway with the partnership, can you be just
a little bit more specific? I don't know. If this
is something that you want to air out, that's fine.
I will sit here and be honest. Do we want

(01:02:05):
to go No, no, no, no, no no, no, there's
not a it's not a problem I genuinely feel and
with speaking to her with this partner, I need her
to meet me fifty halfway in terms of the business. Okay,
when this show, When you say the business of the show,
can you give me an example in Layman's terms that

(01:02:26):
I I genuinely feel as though she's great on this show.
You're you're great on this show and what you bring
to the show. No, I'm not saying, but I think
you're great on this show as far as UM, what
you say, your opinion, UM, the comedy that you bring
to this show. UM, what I would need from you

(01:02:48):
is more on the back end, and it's what I've
told you multiple times. I feel like, as far as
I'm sorry, I won't bring up that I've brought it
up multiple times. I genuinely feel like, in my heart
you have your talent. As far as the leg work
to this show, can you say it in a less
host I'm sorry, As far as the leg work to
this show, I genuinely don't feel like you've put in

(01:03:09):
even a quarter w Why would you say to the
vice journalists that you appreciate me and that you're lucky
to have someone that will pick up when you fall.
You said that to him, and I remember you say
that to him, and so wait now you rename Okay,
so so what did I know the terms of our agreement,
which is for you to say what you needed? And
so no, you said, but she doesn't do You don't

(01:03:32):
say what you need? You need for her to be
more proactive and involved. Yes, okay, so clearly that is
your four people say Forte is actually Ford. You know,
teach her spell it out. That's what sisterhood and business
partnerships are about. If if she's not doing it, perhaps

(01:03:53):
it's because she doesn't think she has a skill, or
maybe she doesn't think she has a time. You speak
to her in a kind way to get it done.
I did. I haven't. Can I say an example of it?
Because I don't think you know you're you're you're sitting
in there huffing and puffing. But it's very much true.
So you at first you don't succeed. Try try again.

(01:04:16):
Do you have any children? No? I don't want any. Okay,
do you have any children? Minus sitting outside? Do you
know how many times I have to repeat myself and
lead by example and guide and show. Sometimes our peers
require that you assume, because you're quite defensive and a perfectionists,

(01:04:39):
that when people don't do their share it's because they
are being dismissive of you. Perhaps there's another reason, and
if you open your heart, not to sound cliche, but
open your heart a bit more and try to explore it,
maybe you'll get to the core as opposed to being accusatory. Okay,

(01:04:59):
what's number three? Sorry? I in order for this to go,
I need you too deep in your heart, truthfully and
honestly the baggage that you're holding. No, that's that's accusatory,

(01:05:22):
but it's no story. That's accusatory. I need for you
to say what you need, not what is a deficit,
a perceived deficit. Talk about what you need. Make it simple. Well,
then I'll say I need respect, okay, because you know what,
even with all of this fluff and all the she's

(01:05:43):
you're a little runkin bumpkin. You both are. You're so sensitive.
You think, but I think that you You don't even
believe me, so I don't. Then why do you even ask? Yeah?
Can I say something? So? Why am I here? You're
just wasting money? You did it again, You did it
again every time she makes an attempt. And I know

(01:06:08):
past behavior informs present behavior perception. But you've got to
give it a try. If you want even a modicum
of this to work out, you've got to try. You
just asked me to bag. You've got to have a
sense of faith. Yes, yes, how hard is it for

(01:06:29):
you to be soft? I this is the problem. When
I sit here and actually do hurt, or actually do
show my emotions, then I get, well, you're not even
the imo. Ho. I didn't think he was gonna be mad.
As a human being, I do hurt. I do get
my emotions like bother So it bothers me that because

(01:06:52):
I don't see here and show emotions or or talk
about the men that I love, or I don't have
these emotions for men that people just assume that she's
gonna get over it. She's gonna laugh it off, she's
not gonna be hurt. And I think that's bullshit because
I do do I see here and show my emotions
as much as others know. But when I see here
and and receive something in private and then in front

(01:07:14):
of other people, I'm getting a different thing. Yes, I
become frustrated. Yes, I can't take it in as genuine
because behind closed doors and within our personal conversations, I'm
over talked to or hung up on. We both hung
up on each other. It goes to levels to where
we're just trying to talk over each other and there
is no resolution. So when I come into a place

(01:07:34):
or I stay here and my feelings are actually hurt,
for that to not be acknowledged, for for me to
be told you're not getting an apology for me, and
for me to get a long thread, Oh so now
you want to be emotional, You're just overreacting, And it's like, yes,
I'm not the one that shows my emotions on this podcast,
people bring it up all the time. I'm able to
have sex without tying emotions to it, but I do

(01:07:55):
still want a certain level of respect from people. And
when my things are hurt, specifically from people that I
do business with, specifically from people that I helped put
money into their pockets, that we make money together, from
someone that I'm building something strong with, I absolutely want
them to know that I am still human. And if
I'm going to respond the way in a way that
you knew I would respond, because you said you knew

(01:08:17):
I would be upset, did you know, did you know
I would be this upset? No, but the fact, but
the fact that when I showed my emotions you came
to me and was like, well, I think reacting. Okay,
I did get it, but but you tribute to the problem. See,
because I don't show my emotions I am I'm very
cold and I don't show my emotions with a lot

(01:08:38):
of people. My mom was that way. This is this
is how I am. No, no, no, no, it is
how you are. But it doesn't have to be the way.
It doesn't have to you don't always have to be
that way. And what you're doing is you do yourself
a great disservice by presenting yourself as unbreakable. I'll agree
to that. Yes, that was my mom. And so this one,

(01:09:01):
this one reezy who has a heart, take time taking
responsibility for being hurtful. She's going to hide behind that. Oh,
Mandy's tough. So you need to share and be more open.
You're asking her to be more open. You need to
do the same. And I don't know, maybe this whole
podcast you two be in these like brazenly open sexually

(01:09:24):
whatever it's it, it does you a disservice because it
doesn't allow you to be who you truly are, and
maybe that's something you two need to build upon with
the podcast, is you can be brazen. You can have
this open sexual energy and connect with people and stop
bullshitting yourselves and saying that there's no emotion behind it,

(01:09:44):
because that's not true. So how do you feel about
the fact that she is crying in front of you?
I don't, of course. I mean, honestly, I'm surprised. I
thought I would be the one and I did to cry.

(01:10:07):
I I'm crying. Look at it, you crying. I feel
so bad. You know. I feel really bad that you
feel like this, okay, and no, no, I feel bad
that you really think that. I feel badly that you
think I hurt you. Yes, I feel badly that you
think I hurt you, and I think I said. I
feel badly that I did hurt you because you have done.

(01:10:28):
Of course, I feel badly that I did hurt you.
I feel badly that you know, you said because I'm
not emotional, you knew I would react that way. No,
I didn't. I feel badly that I responded with you
that way. Sometimes I do have to be softer too,
but I think I've just felt maybe I don't know

(01:10:49):
what the word is. Maybe I didn't feel remorse because
I was already harboring feelings for things that I feel
like I went through on the show. For the most part,
on the show, I feel like I'm the one who's
super emotional. So when you reacted that way and went crazy, yes,
I was like fuck you because I felt like you
said suck me. I just the one thing that I

(01:11:10):
could ever say that I want from you is just
to call me first. And I feel like the reason
I've been so upset with you is because when we talk,
you bring up other people. A King said, my friends say,
Van says, Mal says, I don't care. I want to
know what you think. Are you taking in everything she's saying.
I gotta say it appears quite genuine to me. Can

(01:11:35):
you accept her apology? And I need for you to
tap into the softer party yourself, not the cold mother
pushing people away. This is your opportunity. There's a lot

(01:12:01):
going on in my head right now. Why would I
want to come on here and cry in front of
you and all these people on there. I didn't mean it. Okay, stop, Mandy,
It's hard it's hard, but I need for you to
embrace the fact that Wheezy is actually being genuine and caring.

(01:12:23):
I can acknowledge that, Okay, can you say it to her,
not to me? I don't. I can see here and

(01:12:44):
say I'm acknowledging what you're saying. And I'm going to
stop there because I know that I'm not able to
say it, but right which is so I want. I
want to say, I do appreciate you acknowledging a us
getting to where we are right now, because I feel
like it's been a huge detriment to how we have

(01:13:05):
been communicating over the last year and a half. We
sat here at episode five ready to give in. We've
sat here at episodes sixteen, seventeen ready to give it.
We've sat here at episode thirty and try and and
almost given in. So you sitting here and acknowledging that
I appreciate that and moving forward if this is something

(01:13:29):
to where you can't sit here and look at me
as a human being, even if it's someone that you
don't like, look at me as that human being, knowing
that I have feelings, knowing that I have emotions, and
even if we're not friends, those three close friends to you,
look at me and when you do things. I just
want you to say, with my three best friends, like

(01:13:49):
if I did this to them, because even though we're
not friends, even though we're not friends, wheezy, this is
this is a business and this is no. No, not
only that, I feel like our relation and ship and
the things that we go through are much more than
a marriage. They're much more than a friendship, so much
more than a lot of other types of relationships. Many Mandy,

(01:14:10):
are you going to do the same Yes, yes, yes,
because you've told you moving forward, moving moving. You said
you're the only person we were in that meeting with Christmas.
Yes we weren't. You told me we weren't treat you
like this. You're the only thing I absolutely stand by
that I had, Mandy, stop stop stop, you see she's

(01:14:33):
throwing me under the bus. I said, you told me
you can't do this for me to my face. I
literally have one minute. Just did it. You just did it.
You had to break through and then you can't touch
ate the feel good emotions. You can't. What was said.

(01:14:53):
I need for you to say that going forward, you're
going to extend to her the same respect that you
deserve and want and don't tell me you've always No. No,
that's fine, but say, can I sit here and say
that there was a misunderstanding and I want that has
to be clear before we move forward. I sat here
and said that that is something that I'm willing to do.

(01:15:16):
What was misconstrued in what was said was that I
don't have this energy or interaction or relationship with anyone
the way that I do you in my life currently.
That is what was said. That's why I treat you
this way. I don't treat you a way. We have
no way of communication. But we've gotten past that. So
that's what I'm telling you that I'm sitting here telling

(01:15:37):
you to your face that I'm willing to do that
and I have. But in terms of but stop, I'm
willing to do that and I have. Are you willing
to work with her as well? Absolutely? Okay, So this
guy's falling asleep. I have a headache. I've got to say.
This is way past my bedtime mine too. Thank you

(01:15:59):
for coming. Can I shake your hand now? I don't
know why you didn't run again, because we tend not to.
My therapist is uncomfortable and I hugg her after, so
I get it. You go to therapy all the time.
Holy cow, does this person listen to your podcast? Actually,

(01:16:20):
I had a therapist. I found a black woman and
I'd literally google to African American therapists. And she sent
me a message and said that, so I had vented
about many before about when we had our first argument,
what should I do? And she said, after listening to
your show, I feel biased and I can't help you anymore.
She said that she started listening to our reactions with
each other and now she felt like she would take

(01:16:41):
a side because she's heard it instead of just being
my therapist. That's very bizarre. It's all fodder. She let
me go because she started listening to the show. All right,
you each seemed to find someone to talk to. I
think that there's a brilliance and the magic that can
be developed and maintained if you allow yourselves to be
more vulnerable, and you know all the sexual escapades as

(01:17:04):
a clinician, it says to me that there's a fear
of that communication vulnerability, especially with each other when we're well, yeah,
that well, that's plain. It's not easy to be vulnerable
and take ego out of something. When you have a
camera and Mike's camera, I don't know, every every week.

(01:17:25):
It's not easy for us to be vulnerable, I think
with each other, which is I try, but it's not hard.
You try harder because you're you're quite well defended. And
it's like you could make my brain just like actually
internally combust trying to keep up with you in your verbiage.
And I say that because it's indicative of intelligence, and

(01:17:47):
you can be kind of terrifying if one were to
be scared. So I'm not gonna ask for a hug,
but can you at least give each other handshake? No,
of course, Like, okay, that's weird. So how about a hug. Yeah,
that's fine. A hug, hug, hug, hug, a long overdue. Well,

(01:18:13):
you guys can instagram miss for real, for real. And
I don't want to be called in again. And I
adore the both of you. Thank you, and I need
for you to call each other on the phone. No more,
no more texting. It's so important. I think that's a

(01:18:36):
good rule. Please, I'm gonna start crying. Yeah, oh this
is like my number one rule. Oh god, this is
so this is the last thank you? Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:19:04):
So rod is gonna give each other hugs. I guess
as many of you guys who listened to the show
have picked up through the tension and the jabs and
the shade that we throw on a weekly basis. Um,
this has been a long time coming. Um for everyone
who was writing to us saying that the demise of

(01:19:26):
horrible Decisions was to an end and blaming Andrew and
blaming guys for getting between us. I want you to
guys to know that that has not happened. You know,
we should ask for sorry to cut you off. But
if you're listening to this and you made it towards
the end, and if you don't know how they made
it to that, I think you can understand that Mean
Mandy have been very influenced and I think you'd agree.

(01:19:47):
By when someone writes us something, it's very hard not
to respond. I'm feeling better right now. I don't know
if you are. I feel like, do you understand that
it was hard for me to get the sorry O
I did? And um, I really want to say what
I didn't think I would get that from you. And

(01:20:08):
so while while I know like the energy with her
here and you're not wanting other people in the room
and genuinely the last two weeks and what has transpired.
Not only did I come in here not wanting that apology,
I felt like I didn't want the apology for what

(01:20:29):
happened on Flagrant, but you really acknowledging that I'm sorry.
You know I know, but you acknowledging that you know you,
you understand now where I'm coming from, and that I
am human, and that I was really more hurt, not

(01:20:49):
even with the joke, but everything that transpired after. And yes,
I'm cold hearted, Yes I don't show emotions a lot,
but you sitting here acknowledging the fact that I did,
and maybe you could have responded differently. I appreciate that.
Now I know you and knowing you were upset, I
feel like Mandy reacted, and I reacted like Mandy, like I.

(01:21:13):
There are certain ways we should handle it, and actually
is exactly how you you actually reacted, exactly how I
would have reacted to anything. I didn't overreact. The only
reason I called you is because I knew that hurt
came from you thinking I didn't defend you, and I
thought that if I brought up would happen after that
you would know that. I genuinely felt like you would
be hurt. I asked him, and I think Andrew not

(01:21:36):
not to shade Andrew, but he started making me feel
like you would think it wasn't a big deal, right,
I said, Mandy's gonna be pissed? Can I can? I
tell you real quick in your face, because but you
have known me since I was fourteen fifteen years old,
real quick, because I want to throw this out there
real quick, because you've said often but you didn't know
if it was true or not. My nigga, And I'll
stay here and say, because my nigga, you've known me

(01:21:57):
since I was sixteen? Did you see the way I
don't give a fun the cameras were on Sarah. I
really did thinking in the moment, even my nigga, let's
go back to me being sixteen years old. I don't
I'm gonna be you know, god damn well, real quick,
I went and let that nigga suck on my titties.
So for you to really sit here and say you

(01:22:18):
didn't know, you know goddamn well that I had, I
would never did you think that when you saw the video?
Did you did that? Did you think for a second
that I'm gonna tell you why. I was already too mad.
Andrew was sitting I mean, Alex was sitting right there,
and I looked at him like what and then Alex
is doing this face like I get it. I get it,
it's a joke. But my nigga, I'm talking to you

(01:22:39):
as someone not in podcasting, as someone who's known me
since I was sixteen years old. You know, God damn well,
I would have never when Alex came to the first
episode that we did with Anthony, we both were like, oh,
he's cute. I thought maybe it happened. I don't know.
I didn't know what was going on in my head.
It just felt so real, bro. How many times I
talked about my height limit bro, like that nigga, not

(01:23:02):
even six ft chill bro, no, but in real life.
And I think that that's why when you came at
me like it, didn't know if it was real. I
went I went back to us being sixteen years old, wheezy,
because you know, a whole bunch of niggas that I
have fucked and not now one resembles looks is in
the pay grade. Okay, pay grade, My bad my man,
my bad. Alex, that's fine, that's fine. I just want

(01:23:25):
to say, that's fine. Alex is really nice. Do you
know what I started going through my head? We had
argued about things without because we were deciding when we
wanted to do a video, do we need this expense
to we do this whatever? I was like, maybe this
is why she'd be getting so mad at him and
be talking to him so spicy because they fucked. You
don't understand what I was thinking in my head. That
is exactly why it towards the end, because they had
me so convinced, I said to him, did you really

(01:23:47):
me any And by the way they thought it was
cut off? He said, we have to leave that in there,
so it's it's in there. But here's what happened and
why I think I. I was surprised at your reaction.
When I was sitting with Andrew's like, dude, we gotta
take it out. He's like, we would have to cut
out the whole episode. Trust me, this is a podcasting
for me. This is gonna be great. People gonna click,
this is gonna be okay. And you know how Andrew
made you. Andrew diffused the situation with you and him,

(01:24:10):
so you can understand how you did it with me.
I did feel better, so I thought when I text
you and said, Andrew got the gift to gap. Your
gift to gap, Andrew got the whole as gift to gap.
He when I text you that night and I said, hey,
don't worry, this is gonna be okay. It was because
it was right after I text I had got off
the phone with Andrew, I think, right it when he
got out of the car and I was saying we

(01:24:30):
shouldn't do this, blah blah blah. Um. It made me
text you because I said, let me defuse this so
she'll feel better. Because what would I think if I
was sitting there when I got called twice? People said
there was a prince. So I said, let me just
make her feel better, right, let me just say this
right now. And then when you heard it to have
been so upset. I don't know if you would have
called me. I know, and I mean I don't want

(01:24:52):
to give any more shine than we have to to
that situation. Oh wait, wait, no, I said this to
say I don't want you guys to sit here and
then listen to this and say who else was wrong?
More like I think that that's gonna be worse to
continue this conversation, and I want to try to make
a commitment. I'm gonna say try because I feel like
someone's gonna tell me, oh, well, you hate that bit,
and I'm gonna have to reply I really, but we're

(01:25:13):
gonna do it anyway. I don't want it to keep going.
And I feel like this is better and and it's good.
I mean, I don't know, I think. And the only
reason I got mad at you and I said that
everyone thing is because I wanted you to feel like
this is good between me and you, not because someone
which is which is what I want. So moving forward, UM,

(01:25:33):
please don't sit in talking. No, I mean, even in
the comments, they're gonna say what they're gonna say. There's trolls, people,
people feel the need to choose between us um and
as everyone has reiterated to us, this show could not
be this show without the two of us um and
so whether you was about the audition, from my role,

(01:25:54):
whether I was going to do anything else, UM, I
do just want to reiterate that, more so than anything,
what me and Wheezy have been able to bring to
the culture, to the lives of our listeners, to the couples,
to the single people, to the virgins. I think that
that means way more to both Wheezy and I. Um.

(01:26:15):
Then I think anything with with anything, it's literally the
only reason um. And I've said it multiple times that
our listeners and the emails and how we have touched
people all over the world because Jesus Christ, it's it's global.
Is why I stay and why I'm willing to sit
here across from I'm not gonna say your government, but

(01:26:38):
Wheezy w TF and and try to to get this
this thing going. Um. Also, furthermore, UM, I do want
to just give a quick shout out because they're really
good friends of mine, Mall Rory and the Joe Button podcast.
I listened to that episode before they got their Spotify deal,
and Joe sat there and said that they didn't record

(01:26:58):
one week because they yelled in a parking lot because
they could not agree creativily. I reached out to other
other podcasters too, UM, very very I talked to you
as well. UM, this happens, but but you know what,
I I liked that people could and even my friends
the three closest ones I've talked to everyone was able
to be unbiased with me and give me opinions. I

(01:27:22):
had to take my ego out of a lot of
things because, like I was saying, your reaction made me
want to read. We made me go back and forth.
And it's not easy with social media, you know, people
saying things to you and getting in your head. And
I'm glad we have those friends that are doing bigger
things than us that we can come to. We're lucky
for that. And I think I only mentioned everyone because

(01:27:44):
I guess it doesn't make me feel good when you
would say everyone is telling me this is good and
that I shouldn't leave. I don't want people to have
to tell you that. But it's it's also the listeners,
which is which is why I brought that up, like
when when? And I'm not gonna dig into things that
I've hated that were said between either of us, but
I will say that even starting this this podcast, in

(01:28:07):
the very beginning, I was taking seven classes, I was
working a lot of hours. I said, weely, I know
you want to do this, but in six months, if
we ain't getting money, I'm out. And I said that
before that, we we were ready before that we weren't
bringing in money, work we're She mentioned something about me
not wanting you to go, and of course I want

(01:28:28):
you to leave. But when I brought up the other show,
I think that the first time you said it to
me was when we were feeling heated after that New
York Live show. That was the first time you said
it to me. So even if you thought about it before,
we weren't talking about it. And I only said what
I said on Van not to make it seem dismissive,
but because you are a bigger social media person than me,

(01:28:51):
so I know that you will do more things than me.
You've talked about wanting to do shows or BT or
pilots or whatever, and I want you to know that
I you being great and you're doing great things doesn't
hurt anything we do, and I want you to be great.
I don't want you to not do your own thing.
And I I think when I was angry about it,

(01:29:12):
it was because I felt like you were doing it
to say, well, fuck it, maybe I could just kick
this to the curb and do something else, because that's
you never brought it up to me. Otherwise we were arguing,
and then you brought it up like, And that's why
when I said I would shout it out always. It's
because when you said you were going to leave and
then you mentioned another show and people were like, how
could she do this? I was like, I would, to

(01:29:34):
the death of me, be like, it wouldn't matter how
you react to towards me, because people listen for me
and you and both of us. I want you to win.
You you're going to start this other podcast I wanted
to do. Really, I want it because this ended so well.
I don't want this conversation to keep going the way
it's going right now. No, I'm just saying that I
want everything you do to be good, and I don't

(01:29:54):
want you from listening to that. And I appreciate that
I make it in a shitty way because I don't
mean it in that way. That's that's the only thing
I want to say. I'll take it at face value
right now for what you're saying. And I appreciate that.
Um again, because I don't I don't want to spiral
this into a whole another fucking discussion or debate. UM.
But again, whether um Wheezy goes and decides she wants

(01:30:18):
to be creative in her own little space, or whether
I want to go into the corner and my own
little space and create more. Um. Again, I just want
to say that horrible decisions. UM. We'll continue and we'll
continue to bring the content, the kinks, UM and the
guests that you guys love. So UM, I guess we're
gonna go ahead and wrap that up. This is way
longer than it needed to know. If you guys hear
an episode, Mandy was in Chicago for a while and

(01:30:41):
traveling a lot this summer. If you hear an episode
of Me alone, it was prerecorded. It is not mean
we're breaking up. We've just had it sitting there and
now everything is blown up. So we've been worried about
put it out because we're like, what they're gonna think
they'll be episode soon to come where Mandy was out
of town, so I recorded it. And if you guys
do hear separate episodes ever, please understand that Mandy works

(01:31:02):
a lot. I don't even I used to work more
than more hours in you now I don't well because
I was taking seven classes and working. It is Thursday,
I'm at fifty five hours. It's Thursdays, and I'm supposed
to be working Saturday and Sunday though. It's just because
we don't want to leave you guys with a day
without content. And we've made commitments to do that. Something
you complain about, Oh you've prerecorded ship. This is something

(01:31:23):
that we're doing just so every Monday you can still
have horrible decisions. We don't want to leave you out.
We don't want to be inconsistent. So one day you
hear Mandy without me, or you hear me without Mandy,
you don't have to trip freak ask why it's happening.
Like we don't only podcast most of the podcasts. I
feel like we all listen to that's all they do.
They're creatives. They don't have to work ninety five. We

(01:31:43):
still do. And so that's why sometimes schedules are conflicting.
That's why you can hear solo things. And I just
want to clear that up if you hear it soon enough.
All right, So we're gonna go ahead and UM say,
since turn our breaking up Patreon, you can give us
spotts a month to mobile bullshit. I guess both say.
This has been yet another episode of horrible decisions by

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