Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Dolphins fall to 0-3 in loss Josh Allen & Bills, Steelers-Patriots preview

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Tua Tagovailoa fell to ab abysmal 0-3 start to the NFL season after losing to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Later, they discuss the ongoing controversy surrounding Tom Brady's role with the Las Vegas Raiders and Fox Sports, and much more heading into Week 3 of the NFL Season!

Timeline:
00:00 - Bills beat Dolphins
13:30 - Dolphins locker room issues
29:00 - Tom Brady controversy 
35:00 - Tush Push penalties
39:50 - Eagles offensive struggles
45:25 - Deebo's gym story

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Debo and Joe's Show.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with
my co host, Joe Hayden. Make sure you guys like
and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. We got
it all right here, Joe. How you doing this morning, Buddy?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Now, I'm doing good, brother Debo. Man, having a great
night watching football. Man, the Bills Dolphins game, it was.
It was a great game to see, great game to see.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh yeah, for sure, Man, the Dolphins, they came out
to fight.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dog. They came out to fight.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know what's so crazy is I talked to somebody
before and I'm like, dude, watch watch.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
The Bills go out here and lose this game.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Dude, I'm like, they done came back on the Ravens.
You know, they went and stumped the lights out the Jets.
I'm like, they are prime for a letdown. They probably
thinking that, you know, Miami goa come in here.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Ooe was me. Maybe you know they already had you know,
a player's.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Only meet in week one, so you know you're at home,
it's a short week, and the whole time I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Thinking, dude, you thought they were going to sneak up
on them, dude. I thought there was going to sneak
up on them, dude. I mean when you look at it,
I mean barely they I mean they came through. You know,
it was thirty one to twenty one. They came through.
They won the game.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
But as soon as the first quarter started, dude, Miami
goes down there a score on what ten plays, took
up almost six almost seven minutes off the clock and
went in for seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Made it look easy. I mean it was a short field.
It was only like the special teams. That's the way
you start the game off, you know what I'm saying.
Special teams popped off with a great return. They got
it at the fifty. I'll tell you one thing. A
Chan was balling, you know what I'm saying, just getting
the ball in his hands. I don't think two did
anything too impressive in the first drive. He just getting
the ball. He didn't throw the ball over five yards,

(01:58):
completed the first, the third and four the Tyreek kill
getting him involved. But I think a Chan and what's
mother man? A Chan and Gordon number thirty one, the
rookie running back thunder and lightning them dudes a chance
the more speed guy, you know what I'm saying, dumping
it to him. He was doing a run game and
catching out the backfield and then Gordon being able to
power it in. You know what I'm saying. So that
first drive it looked really impressive. But the same thing

(02:19):
I was saying to Tour didn't have to do too much,
you know what I'm saying, getting into the hands of
his You know what I'm saying, athletes, He got some,
He got some playmakers, like Tyreek Hill was out there
hooping for a shot.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
For show for show, and then you come back and
the Bills get the ball and what is it? Eighty
five ninety yards they go to and they scored My brother,
brother brother.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Ain't nobody coming to play defense this week? Like it was?
It was? It was James Cook. It was James Cook.
Did you see every time he touched the ball it
was for the first team. It was ten those first
down he was just totally he was cutting through there,
running the ball with patience. You know what I'm saying.
With bursts, you know what I'm saying, That look good.
So him and then Josh Allen with the little fake, fake,

(03:03):
fake bubble screen. You know what, I'm saying, and then
dropped it down to the tight end, put it in.
Ball placement was on the on the money. So like
those first two drives, both teams go down score. I'm thinking,
for show, it's gonna be a high scoring game. It
looked good, no question.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, actually I think the next thing was basically getting
down there and you know, I think they missed the
field goal or something.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Dude, like it was like they they so hard. They
scored on their first two possessions, and then they drove
it down on the third rd very next because they
was they was walking the joint down and that was
when Tua got it. He was snaps, you know what
I'm saying. I think, uh, they had a penalty. Actually

(03:46):
they were still driving.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Now I think about the second the second drive, they
were still driving and they had penalties that that that
slowed them down and they weren't able to to convert.
And then they went on down there scored on them
again and it was fourteen seven then, so that's you know,
I'm thinking it's still a chance because they were able
to drive down.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
They let you know, some penalties you know, slow them down.
So and the good the good thing was to in
the first half that Miami did a good job of
converting on first down, so that that second that the
next drive when they ended up scoring before halftime, Tyreek killed.
They converted four first down, four third down conversions to
Will use his feet on one and three to Tyree kill,

(04:27):
a third and twelve like a third and seven, and
the third and five. He converted all three of those
to get down there and they ended up scoring before
half with Wadle caught that slant you know what I'm saying,
getting the end zone.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So they got the ball with four minutes. That was
an amazing four minutes. That was from the missfield goal.
The missfield goal, they were able to go.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Ahead and they was able to get down there, so
short again, a short.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Short feel and able to get down there and go
ahead and get seven out. They tied up at halftime,
so you know they in a fight, you know, like
you know gave you know, you gave Miami some hope.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
You know, they like, you know, we could go out
here and do I think it was it was a
tail of two halves because the first half it was seventh,
it was fourteen to fourteen. And then on the second half,
defense third quarter wasn't too much action. Well, Josh Allen
came out off the rip first driving in the third quarter,
so that put it to twenty one fourteen, but not
too much more action was going on in the third

(05:18):
a lot of punts, you know what I'm saying. But
it was the fourth quarter that really was the tail
of the game. A defense that fourth quarter. Man, when
they got to stop, you know what I'm saying, two
of them went down. They scored, you know what I'm saying,
the twenty one twenty one, and then they get a stop,
the tie to the jamee. The game could be changing,

(05:39):
and they go to put a punt and my man
runs into the punter, which changes the whole trajectory at
a game, you know what I'm saying. Then they go
down there and score, so pused the game to twenty
eight to twenty one, and I think that was just
that's Those are the mistakes that you cannot make if
you want to beat you know what I'm saying, the
Buffalo Bills, you can't beat yourself. They were in the fight,
they were getting them to put they were forcing them

(06:00):
to part. They didn't drive down there and score on them.
So that I was twenty one, twenty one, we getting
the ball, you know what I'm saying. They were doing
a good job converting. They made the fourth down, fourth
and four, got down there and scored. So when you're
playing the Bills, though, those are the mistakes that you
can't make. Mm hmmm, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So my I mean, I think they still had a
chance until you know, you got to that that last
you know, their last interception right there.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I think it was maybe three minutes or so left,
whatever it.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Was, and uh, you know you're going in to you know,
possibly get seven and then you know you had an
interception and that, you know, to me, that basically sealed
the deal.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
That definitely sealed it. Yeah. That killed that killed everything
that was going man.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know the best I think the biggest thing that
they did is they showed that they wasn't dead.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Dude, Like yeah, like yeah, we yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Had a we had a players only meet in week one,
but you know that was to get to where we
are now. And I mean they didn't come away with
the win, but the mindset, the way they play, you know,
except for you know, certain parts of it.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
The biggest thing is Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
They made the plays when they counted. The defense made
the stops and the offense made the scores, and you know,
or a pick, whatever it may be. They kept the
game closest as long as they could. But you know,
the second half came, and I think what helped them
keep it close too was Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, they had some they had some drop passes.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, they had some some penalties that were you know,
stalling them in that second half, so that that helped,
you know, Miami be able to keep it close. And
of course the rough and the kicker and the late
interception that was just well, you crushed them. They kept
it close. Man, it was a really really good game.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You know what I'm saying, there's gonna be good players,
it's gonna be bad players, it's gonna be penalties here
and there. Keeping the fourteen to fourteen going in the
halftime was all good. Like you said, we're not the roughing,
the rough and the punter that started the whole thing.
But when you finish the game off with that pick,
they're driving down, you're making plays, You're you're getting the ball,
you're actually you're hitting water on some on some five

(08:07):
in ours, you can burning on third downs. That was
just a basic smash concept. Running back fast to the
flats three on three over there. He looked directly where
he was going, and that brought my man Shepherd right
straight through. As soon as he looked over there, he
ran and then it's three. He threw the ball right
to him. So you kind of that's just mistakes that
you can't make. You gotta look look it off. You

(08:29):
know where you're going to three over there. As soon
as you brought your eyes over there, defensive tall and zone,
we're moving where the quarterback's eyes are going. He didn't
look you off to the.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
T off on that and then turned straight to it
and got it to it.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
He wouldn't have been that close. He wouldn't have not
been that close him looking instantly soon as he got
the ball from the snap bringing his eyes there, Oh,
he broke on it like like like like he's instantly
you know what I'm saying. So just those mistakes that
you cannot make there and I'm not this is here
for a tour bashing. But he didn't throw the ball
all well deep at all. All of their completions were

(09:04):
behind the line of scrimmage. He was getting at the
e h hand. He was getting it into Tyreek kill.
I mean except for those three big third downs. Yeah,
but no, those those were those those were the woman
he scrambled away. That was about a twelve yard pass.
That was maybe when the was the one with Tyreek
Hill got he passed it seven yards, Tyreek Hill went back,
dipped down and got missing on people. You know what
I'm saying, made after catch, see what you're saying. Yeah,

(09:27):
a lot of this stuff was just underneath Dixon dunks
and then when we needed to make plays. I mean
he was kind of kind of turn turned it over
or was fumbling with the snaps on third downs. Just
little things that we can't have when we're not I'm
gonna asking you to win the game for us, but
actually you just do a little more simple things. Just
keep the turnovers down. Don't put us in positions to lose,

(09:48):
because at the end of the day, you're not really
you're not doing too much, but you're getting in the
player's hands. But the ball being thrown down the field,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
That it's a difference between it's a difference between hurting
me and and not helping me.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, Yeah, you're you're hurting me if you're turning the
ball over, you know, if you're not scoring, Yeah, you're
not helped me, but you're not hurting me. You know,
you're giving me the opportunity to go back out there
and you know, do what it is that we can
do to try and keep it close.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
But you know, picks, you're you're hurting me there.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's taking points off the board that you know, that
could have put us in a position that you know,
we're looking at possibly going down there the next you know,
next driving seeing if we can't get an on side
kick or something and see what we come through with it.
But that that opportunity was just you know, snatched away
in the last you know, in the last few minutes
of the game alone.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Like I said, the two critical mistakes, Yeah, those two
big ones. Man, they're roughing the punter and that pick
that's not that's not well, that's not winning football. And
Josh Allen, he's not turning the ball over. They did
like on the first half. They only had three possessions
in the whole first half of the game, you know
what I'm saying. So the Dolphins were holding the ball cone.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, seven minutes uh, another one was close to six
and some change. You know, they were they were holding
onto the ball. I mean at the end of the
game though it was still almost even you know.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
For sure, for sure, for sure. But three possessions in
the first half is good, and then they scored on
two of them, you know what I'm saying. So I
think they they're they're moving in the right direction. But
you just can't turn the ball over and make critical
mistakes if you're trying to win the game. You stayed
in it, you did good, But it's not a bash.
They like you said, they fought. They looked like they
didn't give up on they didn't give up, you know

(11:34):
what I'm saying. Like that was that didn't look like
a team that didn't want to go out there and
try to win that football.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
You think they take some type of moral victory out
of this even though they didn't win.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
You know what it is, there's no moral victories in there.
You know. Once you you lose, you lose. All of
that stuff is going to be the same on you
took an L on your on your on the on
the win lall sheet. I would hope just you could
take the good for what it is. But at the
end of the day, I'm not a fan of the
more you you lost.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You know what, I'm saying that you still exactly what
I did wrong, so that we can correct that next time,
to make sure we come out with that win.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
That moral victory stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I ain't. I ain't never been on it. I think
you lost, man, Oh yeah, you lost. It's no, it's
no ifans or buts about it. So I guess before
the game they had some report surface about players, you know,
being late for meeties and having discipline their issues. According
to ESPN, tardiness was an issue through last season.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
One current Dolphin player said.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
He believed some captains that this past season took advantage
of the role. They said, Ramsey Ride receiver Tyreek Hill
were two of the eight voter captain in twenty twenty four.
They were among repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout
the seasons. Throughout the season, what do you what do

(12:55):
you think of you know? Players like repeatedly being like
you know?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
They said.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Players were often late to practice meetings with multiple teams,
sources suggesting this reflecting the lack of respect from the
games was hesitant to publicly I guess discipline these guys
for outside of posting fines.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Well let's keep this real though, Debo. Well, you know
we've been both apart. We've been in the league a
long time, and you know what I'm saying. How do
I know? I know you've been a part of the Steelers.
I was a part of the Steelers and the Browns,
and uh, let me just ask you just open, how
do you feel about this about players being late to meetings?
Because I know I'm gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna be
real on our show, Debo. That's what we talked about earlier,

(13:37):
like real conversations, real things that go on. So, I know,
what do you feel about tartetness of players? And how
do you think this is? What do you think? So so? So?
My thing on it is you should never be late.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
It's nothing that can go on that that that should
make you late because you should be leaving with enough
time to get there all that other stuff. Now, I
understand where you get. Certain players get different privileges. Okay,
I understand that because with time, you know, like like

(14:13):
bus like Bush would say, he say, it's the three t's.
If over time you tell me the truth, I'll learn
to trust you. So as I build a relationship with
that player and I know, you know what their.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Demeanor is and how they actually operate.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
If he comes late one time, or something happens and
you're late, okay, I can scrub that.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
But you know if you come late again, you can't
scrub that. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it's a reason that we have the what they
call it the Code of Conduct.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's called.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Conduct detrimental okay, So it's what is they call progressive discipline. Right,
So a team has the option of finding you on
your first offense, okay, and they can find you up
to a max of like I think it's forty percent

(15:08):
of whatever that max fine is. The second time is
seventy percent, and that's the third time, it's one hundred
percent of that max fine.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Now that max fine, that max fine can be a
week's salary all the way up to and including suspension.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Without pay for four weeks.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
So when you get guys that are just repeated fenders,
only way you can get any kind of control is
to actually go to the further spectrum of it that
you can. Because everybody cares about their money you're telling
me I got four weeks of playing and not getting paid.

(15:55):
That's that's not something somebody.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is going to the time or or do if they
know that.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know what, after my second, third time, after my
third time, this is what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now. When you get coaches that are like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm going to find you and they find you twenty
five hundred, and they find you three thousand, and they
find you five thousand, and you never get to that
find of what they call that real money, then it's
not going to stop them, you.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like, especially if you've got a player that's you know,
you're making half a million dollars a week or whatever.
You don't even notice that. You're just thinking some extra
taxes came out, you know what I'm saying. So unless
the coach makes it a point to do that, Like
I don't know what happens in New England if you're late,
like when Bill was there, Like, I don't know what happens.

(16:47):
I honestly, they had me so scared. I was just
I seen time. I'm sitting at my locker like this dude,
and I kind of catch a glimpse of somebody running
and it's time. He running to the meeting. I'm like, oh,
oh shit, I'm about to be late. So I jump
up and I started running in there everybody in there,
but the meeting don't start for like another like five minutes,

(17:08):
three five minutes or something.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
So it's obviously.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Something there happens that don't nobody want a piece of
because nobody is late. Also, something else they did was
your phones. You can't have your phone in the meeting.
It can't be in your pocket, it can't be nowhere, right,
So I don't know this. So I'm walking in and
as I'm walking in, I see like forty phones just

(17:35):
sitting on the floor. And I see another dude come
past and pull his phone out of his pocket and
throw it on the floor. I'm like, well shit, I bet,
I bet I better throw my phone on the floor too.
I'm not about to go in and catch something, you
know what I'm saying. So I think when you have
a coach that is a player's coach, that's a good thing.
But when you have a coach there's too much of
a player's coach, that's a bad thing because now he's

(17:57):
not going to go to that point of actually being
that you know that that disciplinarian because he may want
to keep a certain relationship with that player or not
upset that player who knows, you know what it may be.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I would say we can go with this Tuto debo.
Mostly we're talking about star players here, because if you're
not a good player and you're coming up late, you're
not gonna be there long, you know what I'm saying.
So I think that most of the time you say
you can everybody gets treated fairly, but not everybody gets
treated the same right, So that's they got to show
the respect and know that's they get treated a certain

(18:32):
way and you can respect that. Or you could try
to get away with stuff because you know you're gonna
be able to get away with stuff and your team
could look at it a certain way, and just showing
up late, that's just not the way that good that
self supposed to move, you know what I'm saying. Take
advantage of their privilege, you know what I'm saying. Like
when I was in Cleveland, there was really no there

(18:52):
was really no too much hierarchy, you know what I'm saying.
You learn to get respect from somebody, Like you said,
you learn trust in time and then you can you
can that's how you develop it Like in time, you
have to show me that you're gonna be on time.
You got to show me that you're going to be
in the place you're supposed to be, and then I'll
trust you know what I'm saying, that be able to
give you. You know that you have to develop You're
gonna be on time all the time, and I know
this is just this is the way that you are.

(19:14):
So if something happens, then this is this is Oh man,
this isn't Joe as a matter of fact, might have
happened with his family. Let's make sure he's okay, you
know what I'm saying. Not just you know, he just
doesn't show up to these meetings because it might be
a Friday Thursday night, he goes out on Thursdays, he
show up related to the special teams meeting, Like, that's
just not a way, you know what I'm saying, you
want it to rock. So when I'm reading into this,
it's more like they're talking about good players trying to

(19:37):
take advantage of knowing the coach is not going to
be as hard on them. Do you know what I'm saying,
and I don't think, well, well, it's also like you said,
it's the coach, you know. Yeah, no, no, for sure,
for sure that that doesn't you know, do what it's necessary.
You know what I'm saying. I guess they said.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
A player driven leadership has always been an emphasized under McDaniel's.
As one current player described, it is laid back without
being hands off. Former Dolphins player who played for McDaniel
said coach was always open and vulnerable with his players,
which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft. I very

(20:16):
much think that is misconstrued as being soft because you're
in a game where it is a bunch of really
aggressive alpha type males in any form, especially if I
like if I don't have a strong or I don't built,
I ain't built a relationship with you, Joe, And you know,

(20:38):
I go and I tell you something that that you
see a different side.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Of me, and you like, Yo, he's maybe he a
little soft, you know what I'm saying. Like it that's
a real thing.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
But with you knowing me and me discussing something with
you on on a on a more of a personal level,
it's like, Okay, he must really be going through something
because I notice.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Is not what he does, and he respects me enough
to be like, man as the man gonna come to
me and tell me something. You know what I'm saying,
he don't really talk about too much.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So when you're a person that's just open and vulnerable
to everyone, Yeah, I'm like for me that that that
would seem that seems soft like and I can see how,
you know, Like like my mom told me when I
was a kid, Dude, she was like, they go take
kindness for weakness. So that's why I was always kind
of stand off as mean mugging I had, you know,

(21:26):
I got I got rest in what they call you
know for that yeah, base, But that's that's just me
because that's what I was taught. They take kindness for weakness,
you know. So so don't run around here being happy
and jolly and google laughing. They looking at somebody they
think they can get over on. And you know, that's
just how I was, you know, that's how it was

(21:47):
brought up.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
What do you think I think that I feel that
I know exactly what you're saying. I think with with
this situation, I think that it's just so we're talking
about with Jay and Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, yeah, with McDaniels in his situation of being you know,
they're saying he is being misconstrued as being soft, him
not being as disciplined and strict with his enforcement, you know,
of not.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
You know, for sure, I think I think that they
can't get that misconstrued. You know, like you said, it's
a bunch of grown men and the thing and when
you have a head coach that's kind of letting certain
people get away with things and not holding them accountable,
that could really just show a lack of discipline.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
It shows being jealousy to other guys too, though A
thousand and then and it starts that with with other guys.
And then you know, on top of that, some guys like, yo,
well if he letting him do that, I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I'm gonna do that too. And I'm like, if he
don't do it, I'll give you a proper example, Depot,
I'll speak it to when I really came. But I
came to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've never not stayed in
the hotel at a home game. That's something that everybody,
no matter what, Phil Dawson, You're fifteen years in. You
better check into the hotel. You're gonna have your meetings
there at the home game and little late meetings, do

(23:07):
your dinner and then bed check. You know what I'm saying.
At the home games. When I came to Pittsburgh, the
OG's veterans, Pouncey's you know what I'm saying. After the
home meeting, they was like, oh, yeah, bet we going home.
They're going home. They have a family. They're like, yo's
about I'm like, man, I don't know, because they don't
tell you. If you're a VET, you can stay. But
that's just the way. That's an unknown, unwritten rule. You

(23:28):
gotta be a VET, you OG, you can go stay
at the crib. Do you know what I'm saying? So
I was like, man, he said, where you're gonna go?
I said, I'm gonna go home. The trust of Pouncy.
You got grown men. They're not going to go out
to the club before the game. When we wake up
early in the morning. I'm trying to go home, pick
up my family, go get everybody right, and then come
back to the stadium. It's like, why am I making
this extra step when you trust me as a man

(23:49):
I'm not going out. I'm not gonna go get seen.
I'm trying to go take care of my body or
get my family, sleep my own bed in the head
to the game. You know what I'm saying. Like, then
when you see the young dudes like, no, I'm hardly
goes in my crib. No, you can't. You know what
I'm saying. You're not a vet. Did you mess around?
Be out? You know what I'm saying. And that's just
a whole different situation. The trust of them knowing Joe
where you're at, and then they would call, I'm at

(24:10):
the crib, all right, bet see you tomorrow. You know
what I'm saying, Like, that's something that people could take
advantage of. You could as if I wanted to, I
could go out to the club. I could have went out,
did something crazy. But that's not professional. That's not what
what professionals do. My job is to get ready for
the game, and coach t as a man, was letting
me go home and take that step out of waking

(24:32):
up super early, having to go to my crib, get
my body worked on, get my family, bring them to
the game, and then work that whole situation. He's like no, Joe,
you have a process. You're going, you're going where you're
going to. My family see you tomorrow, you know what
I'm saying. So that's just was the respect factor. And
like other teams, they don't care. Phil Dawson was a
grown man. He's not going to go out. But no

(24:52):
matter what the Brown's like, I don't care. You played
for the Browns. You're staying in this hotel with the team, period,
you know what I'm saying. Like, that's just I don't
care what you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I ain't go.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I like, I like.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I like you're standing the team. I like your standing
the team with You're staying hotel with the team. You're
here to get a job done. Everything else outside of
that should be not even a part of what we
got going on. I understand, you got a family at home.
You gotta do this, you gotta do that. You gotta
have wifey, have everything set up ready and go, and

(25:22):
so when you get there everything is coordinated so that you.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Can boom bam bam.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Because I think when you get into situations like that,
like you said, you're gonna go home and lay and
stay there. But who says that the vet. That's you know,
Joe Blow didn't decide the one time that he thought
he had a soft game, let me run down here
with the boys real quick and be here or there now,

(25:47):
whether word gets back or not, he gets you know,
he gets that privilege.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it's not like he's not gonna tell somebody, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So now the other guys is foaming at the mouth
waiting for their opportunity and chance to be a VET
to do the same thing. So like situations like that,
I'm like, nah, Like when I play for Cowerd, I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
It didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Bus Drone Better stayed in the Hall of Famer. He
stayed in the hotel. No, I wasn't no going home.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying that
that's the bad thing either. I'm not saying it's a
bad thing either. I'm just saying that it's a I
respect it, and especially if you're going to be that's
the thing of taking advantage of your that neess. You
know what I'm saying, Like, if you do have things
that you can do, don't disrespect. But I think I think.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Also it puts it puts guys in a position, especially
if you're a vet where you know what that night
at the hotel before the game, I ain't got to
worry about nothing at home.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I ain't know.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
You gotta tragic, but you you have to. This is
where this is where it causes. I think it causes
issues for the players and the family is you don't
have to stay there, wife, say you ain't got a
state or why are you staying there? He don't want
to say, I don't want to deal with this. It's
a RESTful night. I don't want to get ready for
for for for the gang. So now all of a sudden,
maybe he got to go home when he ain't.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Want to see that. But how is all because the
old ladies you're talking about what old ladies talking well?
Joe at the crib right right? Oh that's crazy. I
feel you though they could it could. Yeah, it just
opens up another window. I'm just saying, I'm not knocking it.

(27:24):
I feel where you're coming from, because it gets to
have other people just looking trying to get to where
they're going while they're getting to do other stuff. But
that's why you say you get treated people fairly but
not everybody gets treated the same. I can see the
same way of nobody can't go, you know what I'm saying,
But then there's reasons why I would see why they
could go. You know what I'm saying, they gonna go
to the crib, like even if they're legitimately going to go,

(27:45):
because these dudes do have stuff going on, or you
don't have to go. It's just an option that I
just thought was dope that if you're on the team,
then you could respect it. That's because that's just that's
that's the relationship part, where you can take advantage of
it or you or you don't.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
No for sure, for sure. Speaking of responsibilities, former Raiders
head coach Antonio Pierce said it's foolishness to believe that
Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to
help the team. He said, this is unprecedented what we're seeing.
I think I would be uncomfortable if it was the
other way around, to be honest with you, because you're

(28:22):
not dealing with just a normal person. Tom Brady is
the elite of the elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks,
one of the greatest players in the game. It's not
hard for him to watch a few things on Friday
or hear things in the production meeting and be like
have tied, bitch, You'd be foolish, he said, And you'd
be foolish enough to think that he's not going to

(28:44):
share with the raiders because we had those conversations about
certain things.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
My thing is this, don't.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't understand how like they're saying, oh, well, he
can't go to the production meetings, he can't, but you
allow him to still interview them and talk to them.
He's going to get the same thing, which just he
just can't go to the to the facility to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know, he can't.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
He can't be at you know, at the hotel to
do it. Like yeah, but he's still going to interview them.
He can interview them off campus, I mean off off
site in person, or he could talk to him and
interview him. That way, you're still getting the information. And
for them to think that like you got a whole crew,
like it's Fox. These that's what these guys do even

(29:27):
if he's not there, he didn't go to the practice.
These guys, that's all they do is football. They're gonna
talk football even with him just sitting there with them.
He's going to get things and he's going to be
privileged to him, Like when it comes down to him
being in the actual booth on the headset, that is crazy.

(29:49):
So now I'm just playing Devil's advocate. He didn't tell
a coach, He didn't say nothing to a coach, but
he on the head said who actually is in communication with?

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Either the coach or a player? Who is he talking to?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't know who he talks Jerry Jones, don't even
get in the coaches box and put the headset on.
But Tom, a minority owner, is in the box with
a headset on at the coaches box.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Who is he talking to? Like? What is he saying? Like?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I don't this is this is gonna get like real,
I think this is gonna get messier before it gets
cleared up if they don't figure out something, because the
next time this comes around.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I don't know how they cannot let whoever it may be,
do it. You know what is your even? Like if
it's me, you know what I'm saying, like me being
James Hilson, and I got that you know position I got?

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I got?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I got three hundred and seventy five, you know from Fox,
and then I'm a minority owner of the team. I'm
not gonna do it because they gonna bust my ass,
you know what I'm saying. But if I'm Tom Brady,
I'm Time Braddy.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
They love me. They fought for me to do this. Yeah,
I might do it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I probably would do it. What they go do, go
and find out that I did it, and then have
to tell that what we said he wouldn't go do
he did.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So, if you know, if it's if I'm Time, I
might go ahead and do it. Where are you at
when Tom's showing us what he's gonna do? Tom Brady
going ahead and doing it? Like you said, they want
him in here. They trying to bend the rules for
him to be in there. I don't think trying. They did.
They did it. He's in there. He's now, he's in
the booth on the headset. Like you said, who is

(31:26):
he talking to? I don't know the quarterback, the coach.
I don't know who he's talking to. And Jo got
his hand and everything, and he don't even know. With
the production meetings and stuff and him not being able
to be there and not being able to be present.
So they're going to have production meetings also with his
team before they get on the show, just to talk,
just to vibe, just to figure.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Out what he gets to introduce he gets. He still
gets to talk to them, he's just not allowed to
do it on side site. So he could have them
come to another site, or he could meet him at
another site and talk to him, or he could still
like like I guess, phone or zoom whatever it may be,
and talk to him.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
He just can't be there. You're still getting the information, Jangs.
I'm saying the same thing you're saying. Brother, Hey, I'm
saying the same thing you're saying. I don't think that.
I think Tom Brady's getting hisself in the situation that well,
like you said, they want him to be there, he's
already there. I think that as if I was in
that position too. I mean, he has two jobs. It's

(32:21):
the owner of the team as minority owner of the Raiders,
and it's the CBS job where he's making what is it,
like fifty he.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Got, he got, he got three, he got three seventy
five for ten, so about thirty seventy thirty.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Five year he's gonna have to in my I would
have you got to give up one because no matter what,
if you stay doing the meetings, however you're doing those meetings,
not being there, you're still being able to interview the people.
There's going to be questions. And I don't know if
he cares about if he doesn't care about the questions,
and he's gonna go ahead and keep going through it.
Tom Brady, shoot for it. But just know being in

(32:56):
those productions, not being in those production meetings, but still
working for them, having two jobs at the same time
an owner and just having conflict of interest is going
to be a question that people are going to ask.
If you're not doing it, it just looks still crazy.
So the questions that people are going to ask you
aren't going to go anywhere if you're continuing to work
for two like spots. You know what I'm saying, it's

(33:17):
just two's not even toos.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's opposite you actually getting that'd be like you being
able to go and interview everybody and then go play
a game against these boys and you're getting all the
little nooks and crannies and you get to all ask
all the questions and they thinking, hey.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's you know it's it's Joe.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
He ain't you know, he is well with it being Tom.
You know, it's like it's toime. You know, I'm telling
you know whatever, you know, blah blah blah. Especially young guys,
they don't know no better. You know what I'm saying.
I feel you.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
I feel you, brother. I don't think it's a I
don't think it's going to be. It's not going nowhere.
The questions aren't going nowhere. We're going to see like
what the access looks like. And it's happening, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
And what we were talking about the other day with
the Eagles, they're they're gonna they're gonna take a close
look at this touch push now said the league officially
is trying to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
They said it was a false start that should have
been called. So.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
The lead training video for officials, which gets shared with
coaches and general managers, included showing the Eagles false start
and an instruction that the officials ensure the offense isn't
getting away with penalties on a touch push. These dudes
is lining up in the neutral zone, they taking off first,
They doing everything.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yes, they need to go ahead and put their eyes
on that thing. Slow it down.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
You want to slow down anytime you got somebody getting
hit and the defender barely grazes his helmet with the
top of their thing, and the first thing the announces
to say, Yep, that's that was helmet the helmet. Yeah, yes,
it's time for the offense to get the same thing
and slow it down for y'all. Like I don't, I'm
a final issue with it. I'm a thousand said five

(35:00):
with this. It's just because it's just like and you
know what happens too.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
When the league does stuff like this and make sense
out the videos and set out the films, it's going
to get addressed, you know what I'm saying. So they're
going to make sure they're going to have to line
up the correct way. They're going to have to snap
the ball. The center going to have to be the
first person to move the ball, so everybody fires off
on the same time. I'm not against the touch push
at all. I'm just against people lining up all sides
when I'm starting it. You know what I'm saying, not legal,

(35:26):
you know what I'm saying. If it's not if you
line up legally, everybody's head is behind the ball and
the ball is snapping, y'all end up pushing people through
because you can still push now, you know what I'm saying,
So you can still get behind me. I thought you
wasn't allowed to push. At one point you could. They
say you weren't until two thousand and five. They made
a rule that because they said the referees weren't able
to tell or they couldn't it was hard to make

(35:46):
make the call. So they just got rid of it
in two thousand and five. So now you're able to
push people in the back, you know what I'm saying.
So now since until they get rid of that rule,
just take that out. You can tell if somebody's pushing
somebody or pulling somebody forward, Like I don't think think
that that call is that hard. So if they can,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I agree with him, Like, you don't know if he's
pushing or if he's trying to push somebody else that's
on the side of him, or something like that.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Understand you, man, all this damn slow motion, you can't
tell somebody pushing somebody well hey, hey, hey yeah, hell hell,
they don't want to. They don't want to slow that down.
That might be that's difference between you know, no points
in six points. So blow the whistle faster once Auck
is standing up, blow the whistle. Stop blading. All that
little swinging and pushing and pulling. That's what get people hurt,

(36:30):
running up on the pile. They standing up in the
offensive line and just running there. Throw themself in there.
Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, stop it, blow
the whistle. Ref he stood up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I think I think something else they need to pay
attention to is making sure the center is not all sides,
like he got this thing so deep under him, like.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
His head is over the ball like that, And if
it's slow, and if it's just slow and they're looking
at the play and they see him with his head
on the flag.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Flag off rick, off rick, What are we talking about
the percentage of the touch push.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I believe will will drop.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Significantly this year, after they've made a conscious effort to
actually point it out.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I ain't I ain't gonna lie to the bo I
don't think it's gonna change. I think they're gonna still
just lie. I think they might line them up because
they I don't think they do it every single time
that they just.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Fire off off before. I saw two times they did
it the last time, last time, one time. The one
time wasn't that obvious, but that second time was.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Second time was late late Blake. It looked like it
looked like.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
The center was trying to watch when they took off
and then snap it like, I don't you can't see that.
You can't tell it's so fast they're slowing it down. Stop, bro,
I don't even need to slow that down.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I saw that. I saw that.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I saw that in real time, no question, like, it's
no way. It's no way, dude, I think. And for
them to actually like have to admit it and then
tell the people, oh yeah, we should have called that.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
We missed it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Dude, they're gonna they're gonna judge this way more strict.
It's gonna be like when when they started doing the
so called player safety and boy, they was calling everything
every day.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Man, it was a hit too hard flag after that,
that's it. That's what it turned into. The hit too hard,
You hit him too hard? Did he get up? Noel, nope?
Is he rolling around? Yep? Flag? Flag? Get him? Get
him up? Out of here, Get him up out of here,
Get him up out of here. Man, you go telling
you that's what they was doing, man, Eagles when.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
So the Eagles are down two and oh, but their
offense is less than impresses. Buddy Jalen says they ranked
twenty ninth and total offense thirty first. In the passing
Jalen hursts six, not even six, five pointy six yards
per attempt, it's twenty fourth. Oh Herd said, he takes

(39:02):
uh takes a lot of accountability for a lot of
it and just how we go out there, because that's
my job. My job is to go out there and
be the general orchestra everything, generally orchestrate everything and ultimately
make plays. What do you think he's playing well or

(39:23):
do you think he's just playing well because everything else
around him is good enough to let him play the
way he's been playing and come away with the wins.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think he's playing good enough to win. I think
he's playing winning enough football. They have a great team.
That's the good part. The thing that I realize about
them is the Eagles are a solid team. They got
special teams, they got defense, they got running game, they
have they have they have the they have the weapons,
you know what I'm saying. So he's not asked to
do as much as other other quarterbacks asked to do.

(39:57):
So one of his numbers to be crazy or one
of his numbers to be ridiculous. I think he's going
to start getting it too the groove right now. I'm
not saying he's playing in any type of crazy way,
but like we said before, it's so much easier to
go and study the film and see what you did
wrong from a win than a loss. And it's still
only the second week of the season. They're two to zero,
not one two, so it's not like they're nothing like

(40:18):
everything's falling apart. They still he still can't improve in
his passes. Obviously, they only had two passes over fifteen
yards this whole since the season started. So definitely just
being able to get get some more, give some more,
give DeVante some more opportunities, give some more deep passes
down the field. I mean, it's not it's nothing to
panic about. But still at the same time, he's never

(40:39):
going to give you four hundred, five hundred yards passing.
He's going to always just make sure that the team
is on they stay above the chains, handing off to Saquon,
making sure they converse, and uses his legs and when
they get tight using their touch push you know what
I'm saying. So he's never really asked to do extremely
too much, but when he is asked to do something
like when it gets to the playoffs. Right now, this
is the regular season, the beginning of the season. We

(41:00):
know what jayalen Hurst is capable of, we know what
the team has done before. So I'm not going to
always like say, oh no, Jayleen, your numbers aren't crazy.
You're two and zero. You're figuring it out. It's the
beginning of the season. I trust in you. I know
you're watching tape. I know you're doing the thing that
need to be done for you to continue to get
better throughout the season and hopefully try to get to
the super Bowl and win another one. Like his goals

(41:21):
are longer than just oh how am I looking? The
first two games of the season. He's not tripping like
he's been there before. People talk crap about him all
the time, so I know he wants to do better.
He knows that it isn't good enough, and he's probably
the hardest critic on himself too. He wants to be great.
He understands he has a great team, and continuing to
win is the main thing. If they were losing, he
was playing bad, it'll be a whole different situation. Oh

(41:42):
it's always a whole different situation.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
But at the same but that's what I'm saying, him
still being able to do this with a win and
still continue to try to get better. He knows this
isn't top jailen Hurst. He's not playing at a MVP
level right now, and I think he knows that. But
continuing to win. It's a lot easier to work on
what you're not doing so well when you winning games.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I think I think right now, like you said, he's
doing what's necessary for them to win.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Not hurting them.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It may not be helping them all the time, but
he's not hurting them. That's that's a big thing.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I mean. I think if you go back and you
look at like I believe it was like the Ravens
when they had was it do for or something? Was it?
Who was it? The quarterback?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
The Ravens ended up winning at Super Bowl with and
the offense was like not really that great, but the
quarterback he.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Was just doing what was necessary.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
He wasn't really helping us much, but he wasn't hurting
them and giving the defense, you know, the opportunities to
go out there and and basically close out a lot
of the games. I think this is a little different situation,
but kind of the same where you know, he's not
asked to do a lot. You got the offense right now,
they're doing great with the running grain. You know, you
got to say, kwan he's doing He's doing a tremendous job.

(42:54):
The offensive line's doing tremendous job. So you know he's
not he's not called, like you said, to have to
sit back and go, you know, thirty forty pass the game.
But you know, when they get to that situation, or
if they ever do get to that situation, I should say,
where the run is being stopped, you know, defense is
playing stout. Do you think he can come in there

(43:16):
from what you've seen, you know, just these last few
weeks and you know, win it with his arm.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
From this last few weeks. No, but I seen him
do it before, and I believe that. I mean I've
seen him throw to that. I think him DeVante aj
Brown still hasn't been getting the ball as much. He
does have capable receivers, so I think if he's due
the run game is doing well, just opening up, taking
the shots, being able to throw some more given more opportunities.
He's not really even throwing those deep passes, you know

(43:43):
what I'm saying, to become incomplete. So I think just
opening it up, giving them a chance, giving him a
shot down the field, and I think it'll workout. I
would believe in Jalen Hurts. I know he's working his
ass off and he's he's a solid player and they
got good players around him, and he's just working hard.
So I think he has nothing but nothing because it
is gonna happen for Jalo bro in my opinion, Yeah,

(44:07):
I think.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I mean, as long as things keep going well with
you know, like you said, the defense and the special teams,
then I think things are things will work themselves out.
So listen, man, I went to the gym, right, Always
go to the gym, that's every day. So I went
in there and I'm working out right, and I'm looking

(44:29):
at this dude and he got like this, he got
like this cup and I see the cup, and you
know what, I gotta go get mine.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I'm gonna shure you go ahead talk to the people,
but I'll be back. See the well man. Anybody to
go get a cup? But who was I talking about?
The Vonte Smith? Jalen Hurts hooped Bill's. But look, at
the end of the day, the MVP of that game,
James Cook. Every toat was almost for a first down.

(45:04):
But Josh Allen. With James Cook there, it's taking so
much pressure. Josh, I don't go to do what Josh
I was just gonna do. He's gonna scramble, he's gonna
make passes, he's gonna make plays. But with James Cook
there running like looking so sweet, looking like the MVP
ten carries a tote, that's my MVP of the game,
James Cook. Everyone had like seven for seventy one. At

(45:27):
one point, bro Bro every toat was first down. Every
I couldn't find it anyway, oh you know, stepped off
and didn't come back with I couldn't even find it.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So it's like a mug, a little mud cup, and
I see a dude he got one, and I'm working out,
and I saw what it. I saw what it said, right,
So I had to tell him. I said I don't
know if you notice or not, but one of us
being lied to, you know what I'm saying, and he
was like, huh. I was like, I got that same

(46:00):
up and they said, the greatest dad ever. So I
got to go talk to my kids after they get
out of school and see what was going on.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Was they lying to me?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Or is that is that dude, the greatest dad ever?
You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to figure that
that was kind of messing with.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Me, that's all. Yeah, you know they got to see it.
Look they see that's a whole contemplation going on because
I got that same mug. You you do too. So
I'm trying to figure gave that to you? Man? My
Joey and my Jetsy, my young boys told me I'm
the greatest dad.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I don't know somebody anybody else got something out there
like like that, Like I think every.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
I thought it was just me. Damn I was special.
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Damn, You're the greatest dad in your household, in my household,
that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
In the Hairson house. You that man? Oh for sure?
For shure. Uh Now, listen, what we got here is
a failure to communicate on. That's not it anyway. But

(47:06):
you're talking nothing. I was talking to myself. I was
looking at something. See that'd be losing you sometimes. Yeah,
it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't something that I was anyway,
Pop off, what's the next thing.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
We got?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
We got super chats. We got super chats. I don't
see it. If we got it, I don't see it. Okay,
I got super Chat, Joe, go Superchat, Nat said, James,
just want to say, your jersey was the first one
I ever bought. Loved the show very much, Love you both.
Let's go. Let's go, good Man. Then we got doctor

(47:46):
L Frankie and L Bellamy said, keep going, guys, over
twenty four case subscribers and it's growing every day. Twenty
four we had twenty four.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Now we have twenty four kd bo, it gotta be
twenty by Now we get a G ball real quick.
You gotta at least get a quarter, at least get a.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
D You ain't got no more, man, I got them
I got two right there right now. Debo. Listen, uh
uh no, sir, but you know what though, you know what?
Look you so since what was your highlights? Of the game.
I already told you who my who. My favorite player

(48:29):
was James Cook. Who is yours d I'm thinking, oh
mm hmmm, yeah, I gotta. You could probably go the

(48:49):
same as me if you need no, No, I got it. Well,
yeah I could.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
But you know, Josh Allen was doing this thing though,
you know what I'm saying, doing a little flip pass
and all that other stuff. So I gotta I kind
of I gotta give it to him, you know what
I'm saying, even though I ain't want to give it
to him. You know, I feel like they kind of
stole m VP from my god Martin last year. But anyway,
I'll give it to him. I'm gonna give it. I'm

(49:14):
gonna give it to Josh.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh lord, James, you got another one? What we got?
Oh lord? See, I don't know if I'm ready for
this one?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
You got?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
We gotta wait till I can't see it. Chris said,
today is apparently national talk like a pirate day. We
want James to do another weird voice at the end
of the show. Oh, I wasn't prepared for that one, buddy.
I'll see what I can come up with. Baby, man,

(49:44):
I know you got a name. You guys, I ain't
gonna lie to you. I didn't know that. I didn't
know that about you. Better.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That was definitely not on my man. I'm a I'm
a train I'm gonna train. I'm a trained actor, trained,
a little little bit trained, but now yeah, I'm gonna
train that you. I got my sad card and all
that good stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I do what I do. You gotta say?

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Yeah, Oh, okay, d bo listen man heels hell h
e e L s heels. I believe it on Netflix. Okay,
look at season one, season one, I'm in that. I
play a character called Apocalypse. Yeah, bro, I'm gonna train.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I was, I was, I was serious regular what yeah
season season one though I wasn't this season two?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
You know, did you die off? No? I wouldn't take
the shot. Uh oh, it was doing it was doing it,
was doing COVID. Oh yeah, I did it in Atlanta, Okay,
and set lockdown, dude. Hold.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
We had a whole gym with a wrestling ring and
you know, weight equipment and all that, because you know,
you couldn't go nowhere, you couldn't do nothing. So we
did all our training in there with each other and
all that. So yeah, you know, trying to make you wear,
make you wear masks and stuff, you know all that.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Like see, bo, I am you a man of many hats, bro,
no question, check it out though. You go watch that show.
I'm gonna watch heels, man.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Hey, you watched the show. You watch the show you've
been watching. We're gonna talk about it next week. We
talk about it on money. I'm gonna have whatever I'm
gonna have. I'm telling you I'm decent in that thing too.
Look at that, and you're gonna be like, Damn, I
ain't no d BO had that any Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
For sure. I'm a movie critique for real. Okay, I'm
a movie critic. Okay. Yeah, so I'm gonna need your
I be critiquing people's stuff. Okay, So I'll let you
know if it's good or not. Man, Listen, you let
me know.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
I'm gonna tell you right now, man, Bro, you know,
even if it's not good, I tell you it's good.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Listen, Man, I'm telling you it's good. No, I want.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I want the truth with you, honestly, for truth, nothing
but the truth always depot Come on, man, my good.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Man, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I mean, where are you at Virginia. I'm in Virginia, brother, Yeah, Bro,
that's so far away from Pittsburgh. Used to feel safe
giving me a you know, honestly, you.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
No, de bo, see that's what I'm saying. I'm not
giving you the addie. I'm just gonna tell you I'm
in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I don't know if it's in your beach or Tyson's Norfolk.
You have to search for me, buddy, after I give
you this review, I will come find you. Man, You're
gonna give me a hug after I gave you this.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You I'm trying to tell you, man, listen, I'm not
I'm I'm the coldest thing going. If they had ever
really gave me a shot, you know what I'm saying,
I easily be like like the next rock just a
little better. You know. M You wrestled, Yeah, I did
my own stunts. I did all my own stunts. Everything
you see on there is me and so he'lls is

(53:12):
a wrestling move. Yeah, it's about like faces and heels,
so like they're using that throw off. So it's about
a family, two brothers that are trying to get their
small time wrestling thing big, you know, and the characters
around it and all that, So you gotta watch it.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I'm gonna watch it for show Man because I you know,
I used to get my Ray Mystereo Jr. On back
in the day. Yeah, you got Steven A.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Mill in it. You got Alexander Ludwick, you got Alan Mardonado,
Chris Bauer, you have Mary McCormick. Is it Crystal you
know what? I have trouble remembering Crystal Bernard, I believe.

(54:00):
And it's a few other people in there, dude, But yeah,
it's a Yeah, it's a good show Man, good cast.
Michael Mallley, Yeah, is a writer director?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
You have.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
What's his name from? Oh? Oh? Why am I throwing
a blank on his name right now? Is it a
movie producer or something? Yeah? Yeah, I'm not the one.
I know Steven Spielberg. It was a superhero type thing.

(54:37):
What's his name?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Oh? Man? What movie?

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Was it? Loki? Loki? Or is it? Yeah? I think
it's Loki. What's his name? I could see his face
right now? Why am I throwing a blank? Anyway? That
was like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, something like that.
But why am I throwing a blank on his name?

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
What's your favorite movie of all time?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Depot Life m Eddie Eddie Murray and Martin Lawrence, Great,
great great?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I still watch that.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Oh catch Little Tea Bitch that I missed, and I
don't watch it like probably like one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You were for word ball for ball on it now.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Gotta be Pete Siegel. That's his name, Pete Siegel. And
Michael Waldron is the other. Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of.
Michael Waldron is the Loki and Pete Siegel is the director.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Waldron is writer, one of the writers, I believe. Okay, yeah,
you can't. You can't go wrong with with that, right there?
Oh no, perfect, And I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna
watch that. I'm gonna watch that for shell d Bow.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
And what's your favorite movie? Man? What is my favorite movie?
Life is up there? But I think my favorite movie
if I just had to ask, well, it sounds green, mile.
I just watched that last night. That's why you said
green man. I just saw that. Man, I didn't know
what you watched, brother Debo and help what you did? Green? Do?
I watched it no way, but John Cameras, you got

(56:11):
no man but green mild though, that's one of my
that's probably my favorite movie. Man.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
I love that movie, right, great, Yeah, I just want yeah,
I know you said, I know that that's that's that's
all right, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
That's a classic. Yeah. I like to I like to
laugh though, I like to laugh. There ain't nothing to
laugh about that, bab no, no no. I like movies
that make you think too, like some other movies like
uh like you like The Party was a good movie.

(56:47):
Yeah that was cool. M h. I like the Oceans too.
I'm a big Oceans fan. Oceans, Oh, Ocean like Ocean's eleven.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yeah, okay, that's what I thought, Ocean twelve, thirteen, seventy five.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
They started getting oceed out though they started.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Man, god damn, they went the ocean. There was a
lot of ocean, too many oceans. Man, look here man.
After that one man, we're gonna go ahead and take off.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Hey, we want to thank y'all for joining us. Joe
you here, man, man, thank you for joining us on
d Boy and Joe show Man.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Hit the like button, subscribe, we'll be back here again
on Monday.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
What's today? Friday? Friday. Yes, we'll be back again on
Monday after a crazy week of football. Crazy week of football. Hey,
make sure y'all go and watch Heels on Netflix season one. Yes, Apocalypse,
that's my character coming to chat. Tell me what y'all
think about de Bo's performance on Monday. Let me know

(57:59):
what y'all think. Grit and Grit, Get Gat,