September 23, 2025 • 59 mins
Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions defeated Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens to conclude Week 3 of the NFL Season. Later, they react to the news that San Francisco 49ers edge rusher Nick Bosa has torn his ACL, the ongoing turmoil in Atlanta as Falcons QB Michael Penix Jr. struggles and rumors of Kirk Cousins reclaiming the starting role, and much more!
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00:00 - Lions Beat Ravens
21:35 - Packers Coach not happy with undefeated talk
27:35 - No Tribute for Micah
32:30 - Travis Hunter - Coach Prime “They aren’t using him enough”
38:00 - Nick Bosa tears ACL
43:00 - Falcons fire WR coach
51:53 - Defensive Player of the Week
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James
Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
How you doing today, Joe Man.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm doing good, brother, Debo Man, always good after a
great day night of watching football.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man, how you feeling you know, I'm feeling real good man.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Anytime, you know, the Ravens lose, there's only one thing
that's better than that, and that's a you know, that's
still a win.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, No, for sure, you know, I can't think of
nothing else. You know, the Ravens going there and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They get beat thirty eight to you know, thirty to
thirty at they crib at, they crib.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here's the craziest thing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's like I'm listening to the announcers like before the game,
and they're talking about how, you know, the Ravens defense
is so stacked, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, hmm,
it gave up four hundred and some chains to Buffalo
Cleveland don't really count, but they still gave.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Up five point two a carry.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying it was on the field
for seventy plays, lost the time of possession, this vaunted
defense that can't see him to get off the field,
and the first player to drive. What Detroit do They
go down there eleventh plays, is no resistance.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They score, and I'm sitting there like, whoa, Okay, maybe
you know, maybe they just lacking. Baltimon Wore comes in.
I really didn't expect them to go down that fast
and just score seven. I think it was only like
five or six plays or something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, the Martin made it look easy. Derek counting right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm like, okay, okay, maybe uh maybe it's gonna be
one of them games. I really not too comfortable with.
It's high scoring games. I don't really like high scoring games.
I prefer for the Ravens lose every time, but I
just I don't I don't like I don't like high
scoring games. The very next possession, dude, the punter, the
punt returner, he makes a horrible decision. I'm like, this
(02:12):
is going and this looked like it might be going sideways.
They didn't put him in like inside the two bro Yes,
I'm like, okay, let's see.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
What's going to happen here.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But again that vaulted defense that's so stacked that this said,
let him go the full length.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Ninety eight yards.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, eighteen plays, almost eleven minutes, bro.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And on top of that, thirteen of those eighteen with
running plays. So they went ahead and shut it down
their throat that dude.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
They gave him some Montgomery, they gave him some gibs.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was. It was embarrassing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They started at the two, and they drove it all
the way down the field. It didn't look there was
no resistance.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Right, and then in the very next possession, I'm looking
and I'm like, the Ravens start driving again. You know,
they get a little short feel. They drive and they
go for it on fourth down and I'm like, please,
don't let them make it. They don't make it. I'm like, cool,
they lose the points. They don't get the points. Rather,
I should say, you know, you get Detroit back on
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the field. I'm like, all right, Detroit go through something. Nope,
Ravens actually stood up. They go, they go three and out.
I'm like, okay again, then again, these dudes a short field.
Lamar then basically just takes it on him. Of course
it was a PI in that whole thing, but you
know they tie it back up.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Man, we're going in a half time.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm thinking, no question, I'm thinking it's about to be
one of these high scores, dude. Then the third quarter
comes in and now I'm sure like it's going to
be a high score. The Ravens run down there and
immediately boom them with twenty one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
When they do that, though, devot on that drive when
they came out, I would say, the Lions, they could
have picked the.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Ball off twice. You dropped one with Branch.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He came, he dropped the pick, and then they tried
to run a double pass and not a double pass,
a toss to Henry.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He tried to throw one. Dj Reed had one in
the end zone. So they had that y.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They had two picks that they dropped, and then they
ended up giving up a touchdown on that drive. So
I was looking at I was looking at like the
Ravens right there, like, man, these y'all, y'all gotta y'all slipping,
you know what I'm saying. And then the Lions like
y'all letting them y'all could be trying to close them
out like turn it making those plays turnovers, but gave
them more chances drove it down.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They scored their twenty one fourteen Right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Now I'm thinking, all right, the Ravens defense, they gonna
come out and they go go ahead, put a put
a stop to it.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's gonna start being you know, the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That the announcers was talking about, and no, Detroit goes
down their answers twenty one, twenty one one.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But let me tell you about this one too. This
this is where I started talking about Detroit's play calling.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Do you know what I'm saying? They didn't. Yeah, they
did a double pass in that drive.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And then they did a double move with I'm Ronz
Brown hit him with the double move to get that
to get that touchdown. It was like some of the things,
it was just looking easier for the Lions than the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know what I'm saying, Like Jersey had way more
consistent with it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, no question, no, no, So Jim got back to
twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So now, oh, the Droit comes out the defense answers
three and out. I'm surprised by that go lie because
it's Lamar. How many times you hold him to three
and out? It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah? Yeah, Now what did that Balton Ravens defense do
after that?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
They gone ahead and they give up hey, gil seventy
two yards to my guy Dave Montgomery. Okay, and then
when they scored, it was I don't even.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Know what the call.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It is, like a a double pitch, a handoff pitch,
whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was funky right here.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Had my man, I'm wrong, save Brown running an option
with Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That was That's why I go with the play calling.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like just just calling you know what I'm saying, just
making things easier for them getting the ball into your
playmaker's hands.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Some people are running scott free like that was just great.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Play call on the line side, making it easy for
them to you know what I'm saying, get down the field,
make plays happen.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So don't make it easy, now, you know he Montgomery
came to that thing with that Bob was down there
in the Z man he.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Was, he didn't and he did catch it, and the
refrigerator did jump on my man's back.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And no question, no question, I'm seeing him run and
I'm like, man, I hope he's looking at the scoreboard
because dude coming up on that right, he see them
start leading.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, he started leading right, and then Lamar comes in
immediately starts driving again.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But what happens the same issue that has been happening
a little bit, well, basically the whole game, Like he's pressured,
he's sacked on two I believe, two consecutive downs, all
of them out.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
They end up having to settle for a field goal.
And now it's what.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Twenty eight twenty four games close everything going good. Defense
comes out there again. Baltimore actually stands up. They gonna
have them with three, and now they get a stop
and lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Derrick Henry goes and fumbles the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Inside like they twenty fifteen yard line, and I'm like, yo, if.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
They get this Tuddy right here, it's over with. And
I'm thinking Ravens ain't gonna be able to stop him.
They too close, like they already drove on them for
like ninety eight, you know, and then another one for
like ninety four.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I'm like, they ain't gonna be able to stop them.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They actually stand up hold them to three people three right,
So it's still it's still within there, you know what
I'm saying. But that defense of the Detroit lines, Dude,
they come out very first play the sack Lamark, they
don't put them behind the chains.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They go three and out.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Dude, Muhammad was bawling Hutchison, getting after him the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They had seven sacks, bro.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
No hey, no question about it. And then what does
Detroit they get that rock back? They only ran seven plays, dude,
Come on, I believe five of them was run plays.
And my guy Demo again, he go go ahead and
kept that thing off with a thirty one yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
No for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But the biggest play on that drive too, was the
fourth and two that they hit when they like they
kept they kept saying, Amar Brown in to like insert block,
you know what I'm saying, kept having insert block all
the plays third and shorts. He was in the insert
block and insert blocking. And when you need the player play,
he comes in like he's about the insert block. And
he takes off on the seventh round and he holds him,
(08:55):
you know right, you know what I'm saying. And that
was a great pass by Golf. So I look at
it when in the second half. It's play calling, it's execution.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know what I'm saying. That they were doing that
was so good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So then obviously after that fourth and two they got it. Montgomery,
he's gonna toe to that, he's gonna get He was
doing it the whole game, running for first down every toe.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So question, dude, like out of out of control with it,
I mean for this so called I mean last.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Year they were they were good against the run. This
year they're they're horrible against a round.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So basically, they down fourteen I think it's less than
two minutes left, they managed to get a little touchdown,
missed it.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know how that goes devout? Yeah, yeah, like you know,
it's really kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Garbage time, but you will, like you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Know what I'm saying, Like third twenty six, Hill broke
a tackle and got that first down, and then they
was able to do the garbage defense just retreating, retreating.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
They right, they did that, the defense that you made.
I hate that, dude, I hate that with a passion,
and they gave it up.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So honestly, at the end of the day, the score
was really thirty eight to twenty four. That was a
garbage seven. It made it look like they lost by eight.
But man, that last drive by the last drive by
the Lions being able to get that fourth and two
and then score that touchdown was amazing. And then Hutchison
in that defense being able to create those sacks. They
(10:16):
sacked Lamar seven times and then he pushed the rock out.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
On Derrick Henry, that was a derecky. You gotta make
sure that you don't bomb the ball. But at the
end of the day, that's great effort. He was going
at the rock. He was looking at that ball to
punch it out, you know what I'm saying. Like, so
that's why you know what I'm saying, you gotta protect
the Derrick Henry. But that's great defense of ball searching,
trying to make sure you see the rock, go get
that ball.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know what I'm saying, No question, dude, Them dudes.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Were hooping in Detroit, you know what I'm saying. Being
able to make those plays.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I believe the Lions had more rushing yards than they
had passing yards, Like I think they had like two.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Four rushing and I think like two eight passing. Yes, Yes,
that's what that sound sound. That sounds about right, dude.
That's battle.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The Ravens have issues over there. The defense right now
is trash. I'm there serious, Like they've giving up over
four hundred yards a game. Bro. They're dead last, you
know in past, rady, I mean in the past, like
as far as you know yards, they're I think they're middle,
(11:23):
middle bottom, half of in the rush and dead last
as a whole unit, you know. And I don't know
what happened with the offensive line. Lamar Sacks, like you
said seven times, but he was pressure thirty broad thirty
times and he still went. He still went twenty one
(11:43):
of twenty seven for almost three hundred with three tugs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Think what he could do if he wasn't under all
that pressure all night, then for sure what he could do.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And the Ravens only had eighty five yards rushing, Like,
you built what you have right now around being able
to successfully run the ball. And you got Derrick Henry
who is in here making history, Like my god, non fumbled.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You're talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
This game in the first three games, he just made
history with that. We gotta he gotta get some some
ball security going on, like maybe do some some drills
of some sort and you know, I understand this coming
from the backside, but I mean, at all times you's
supposed to have that thing high and tight.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So dude, you know how coach he said, man, you
running with you running with our hopes and dreams, no question.
That is the livelihood of the guests. If you lose
the rock, that's the main thing you can't just be.
I know you're a great running back, but those are
possessions and you lose them on each game. We don't
want it to become a thing. I'm not knocking Derek,
but that's just something that you can't have done. I
(12:54):
know he's mad about it, but you gotta make sure
that that that's you can't be fumbling the ball like that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's gonna mess up the squad.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So like the coach, he would say, man, you're running
with our hopes and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Dreams, so that ball is everything. Hey. Hey.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
They also became the first team and in NFL history
to have one hundred and eleven points in the season
through the first three games and have a losing record.
Like they breaking all kind of records over there, and
it's because the defense is not doing their part.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They're not even close doing their part. You gave up.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Four scoring drives of sixty nine, No. Sixty seven, ninety eight,
sixty and ninety four. Ye what defense that's supposed to
be so great does that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's hard to make those drives to make like just
continue to get first downs, not just like a chunk
play like a two play drive. We're talking about eleven
minutes off the clock.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
We're talking about letting longer plays. They just had almost
a whole quarter.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Come on, now that's talking about that's not On top
of that, the Ravens had twenty miss tackles.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Bro Now, that's bad ball, and especially when they're toting
the ball at such a high clip. Montgomery was ran
the ball for it was eleven twelve toes for one
fifty four.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He had the seventy five yard of but without that,
it's still eleven Like, there's still eleven totes to eighty.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yards seven point five to carry. Regardless, if you take
away the seventy five yards, you can't take it away.
Ain't no taking. It ain't no taking.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But with these thirteen yards a toe, that's thirteen yards
of toe like, you can't win like that. And then
Jared golf. He didn't get sacked, and he sat zero sack,
zero sacks twenty four I think it was twenty one
for twenty seven something like that, with two hundred and
two yards a touchdown, zero interceptions.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what you're looking for.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He didn't wasn't actually do too much when he needed
to convert those third downs. He was doing it, handing
it off Gibbs, catching out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They have so many players.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That they just getting it to them when they need
to making the right plays. And they were just running
through the Ravens defense. They couldn't really do anything. They
couldn't stop nothing. Oh they couldn't even get close to
stopping nothing. And that's something else. The Lions defense.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Dude, they they did everything that was basically necessary, baring
a few little things here and there. But again they
had Ravens twenty miss tacles. Lions only had four miss
tackles on defense, Like they were wrapping things up in.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Super like that's what you gotta do. It's dude, it's
only like four as a whole defense. What was it?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean, they really only had whatever was it forty
something fifty plays or whatever it was that really that
really mattered.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
But at the same time, like you're talking about Lamar.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Jackson and that was probably for the miss tackles, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
For no, for sure, I mean I saw them and
they missed the tackle of on that third and twenty
six at the end of the game doing making when
he ended up getting the first down. So you take
away that play, like them dudes were swooping making making
tackles when they had to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh, no question. Then that deepensive line.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like Hutchison him being able to get after the quarterback
create those sacks and force the fumbles Mohammed Like they
just had a bunch of dudes making plays.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
In the back end. DJ reed Branch he was in
position all the time. That's the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
They weren't people just running scot free a lot saying
like people were making plays like Andrews made plays on
Branch with him right in his pocket, Like that was
just a great throws, great catches, you know what I'm saying.
But good position, you know what I'm saying, They gonna
win something. But it wasn't like he was just running
wide up and by himself from a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, and a lot of the guys that was with Detroit,
they were they were hurt last year towards the end
of the year. So they're back. They're back for strength
right now. So they're getting they're getting something that they
that they didn't see at the end. And I think
people are and plus, you know what, I think they
had what was it, eight new coaches on the whole
staff of Detroit, two both offense and defensive coordinators. I
(17:07):
think they're starting to get all that together right now
and be able to put it together so that they
can go out there, you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Know, and do what they they do.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
They they look they're going on an upward trajectory. You
know how he said at the beginning to see we
didn't really know. It didn't look too good. But they
continue to show that they're getting better and they're taking
it week by week, game by game. I mean, I
really like the way that they do their approach, and
I think it's a head coach like they love the
way they head coach keep going it for fourth down.
They're trying to win the game. They're not trying to lose.
(17:35):
They're not playing scared and if you got a coach
that believes in you guys, and you are executing at
a high clip, then you know what I'm saying, They
y'all are y'all are on the right on the right path.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It says before twenty twenty five, no starting quarterback had
ever lost multiple games where they had one hundred and
forty passer rating in a single in a single season.
Lamar Jackson already has two losses through three weeks, over
one forty for this year. He was one forty four
against Buffalo, he was one forty eight to day, well
(18:09):
yesterday against the Lions. Both games they lost, Like, what what.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Do you say to your offense?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Your offense, your defense, hell, your offensive line this this
week because they didn't really help much of you know,
the stats that he did get. They allowed guys to smacking, hitting, pressuring.
What do you what do you say to that? Like,
how do you come in and be like yo, like
(18:41):
we could do this better, we could I think.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Some of the stuff with the offensive line of some
of the sacks, I would say, I would say some
of the sacks are like Lamar trying to extend plays,
keeping the ball a little bit too long sometimes Lamorrow
take off. You know what I'm saying, If it's not there,
we need to just just go get something slow, get down.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You're an athlete, like.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Some of that stuff, just trying to wait, wait, wait,
like it's not there, it's not there, Get out of there.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So some of it isn't as much on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But at the same time, y'all are scoring, you're playing,
you're efficient. Our offense is pretty efficient. We scored thirty points.
But like that's some stuff we just got to watch
the tape. Continue to do better. But a lot of
these things aren't all bad as much. We can definitely
do better. We can definitely protect Lamar. We can protect
the ball, Derek Henry not fumbling once a game. We
don't don't turn the ball over. We're great, We're a
(19:31):
good offense. But we can't be giving the ball back.
We can't keep putting our defense. Our defense already struggling.
Let's not help. Let's not hurt them anymore. You know
what I'm saying. Let's try to give them short fields.
Let's try to make them protect like leads.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
If they're having to play from behind, they're not really
that defense is going to get us back into the game.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So for hell, really when they playing ahead, that don't
work either. We saw that in Buffalo. Yeah, no, I mean,
I mean, right, something, something has.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
To be done. I think I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's it's more of the defensive fault of the rape
on the Ravens. And then I would say the offense.
Oh Man and Lamar Jackson, his QB ratings are amazing.
Sometimes I'm just saying, don't keep the ball in your
hands as much. Just try to get out of there,
throw the ball away. It's okay. He averages less than
one throwaway a game. It's so because he does. He
believes if it's in my hands, I'm going to make
something happen. But sometimes just getting it out of bounds,
(20:21):
living for the next play is a better situation, you
know what I'm saying. So the defense can definitely definitely
do a lot better. Offense isn't really struggling too much.
It's just it's a team game. We got to have
the defense throwing a whole lot better. And we can't
turn the ball over basically at all. Like Derek Henry,
we can't have your average one turnover a game. That's
not when the football for us. Oh yeah, it's going
(20:42):
to start with the defense.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Though. With the defense, I mean, of.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Course the offense is not playing perfect, but you're looking
at the numbers that you know they're putting up.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We got to be able as a defense to stop someone.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We're historically bad right now at the Ravens, Like you
can't be asking you know what I'm saying. Then the
office is doing is good but okay, not the best.
But your defense is historically bad, Like we can do
a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So Matt little fure watch how I say it braces
the flood. If I don't go, if I don't put
my lips out, it breaks up against my stuff. He
wasn't happy with the undefeated talk from his team. I
guess after they went to and Oh the tackle Walker.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Said that he thought.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He said, I see it a million you know, La
Fuerel said, I see it a million times. I say
it a million times to you guys. I don't think
I've obviously said it enough to our team.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The goal is to go one and oh every week,
he said.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
And it pisses me off when we start talking about
things outside of the game. Things that are that are
way down the road, like focus on keep the focus
on the present, on now, and worry about getting better
each and every day. How do you feel about guys
when they go to the I think we can go
and defeat it and actually put it, put it out there,
(22:08):
say it in the interview, and you're only you know,
you're only two to zero at that point.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think it's dumb.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
At the end of the day, you what coach said
was the best thing that you could say.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Go want to know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It's hard enough to win a game, you know what
I'm saying, and then these dudes are getting paid. If
you start looking forward and past, folks, that's how you
lose to a team that you were better than. You
got to eat the team that you play in that
stadium that week. That's all you got to do. That's
all you got to worry about. Our film study. Our
focus is about this team because they can beat us.
These are also professional athletes that were playing against and
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if you get your mind past that, you're thinking about
something else, you can.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Easily lose, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So I think you got to be singularly focused on
exactly what the mission is, and that's each week, winning
this game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
When you walk to a stadium, our goal is to
beat this team.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I'm study, I'm doing all of my film work, I'm
doing everything I gotta do to win this week. And
if we don't win this week, we'll figure it out
Monday and Tuesday and on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
My goal is to win the next game. You know
what I'm saying. Period, that's gonna be off your map.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You're not worried about that because you're not Monday, because
they already yeah Monday, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So Tuesday is washed, but like Wednesday, we're completely singlely
focused on the next one. So it's like, you gotta
it's hard enough to win a game in this league.
And then when you start thinking that you're better than
you are and start preparing for other teams and not
worrying about the team that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Ahead of you, that's how you're going to lose. Dogs.
Stop them.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Then if they're not good enough, you know what I'm saying,
they shouldn't be on the field, Make this this that
game go crazy, and then you can go to the
next one and then work on that. So I completely
agree with the coach and the way he thinks, because
like it's any given Sunday, you walk into the stadium
thinking it's sweet, and you'll get smacked and then you'll
be looking crazy trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, I think what I one agree with him?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And when when you hear guys say that and they
said out loud and it gets out there again bulletin
board material.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You don't want to get nobody, no bulletin board material
because what you just.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Did in week two, you just gave fifteen teams bulletin
board material because you looked at your lists that you
are teams that you had left and you said, when
when it's all wins, yes, I think we can go
five hundred. So you just said that to them without
saying it. I'm reading in between the lines you just said,
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you marking us as a w y'all go pop our ass.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What happens you go out.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
There to Cleveland, Cleveland got a defense, the offense does
its job, and you're sitting there and that undefeated talk
is a crock of shit.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You couldn't even win the next game.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I'm one hundred percent with him again, taking guy's life,
you're taking the team like, oh, we go go in here,
do this on my whole schedule, look like when you're
saying something like that, your whole to you, your whole
schedule looks like And it's nothing easy in this league, dude.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
No for sure, and debo.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Even if you feel that way, you're not gonna go
like you can say it amongst your boys, but once
you go put it out there to everybody, now it's that,
like you said, it's bulletton bord material. You feel like
you're gonna go undefeated. You think that any team you're
gonna play, you're gonna win. But like going out there
putting it out there is bulletin boar material. And then
when you go out there and get dog stumped, and
it's this early in the year, that was for all
for nothing. You know, you think you're gonna win, Just
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go out there be say it, be respectful in the media,
because then that's not gonna do anything. That's not gonna
do anything about how you go out there. And you
know what I'm saying, but I actually motivate somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, you are going to motivate the other team, like
this is what you said literally going into the before
the next game, which is up, which is Cleveland. Like
he said this, if you can't get up for that,
you can't get up for nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And from that point.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Forward, that could be used at every every team because
he looked at the thing and he said, phoo oh, yeah,
we're running the board. I don't see nobody on here
that could beat us.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't understand the thought process, especially that like it's
okay to sell with tickets to the next game, but
you just sold them to fifteen others and you don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You don't even you don't even know. You don't even know.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Man, you're talking about like we not even you're not
even a lot for the playoffs. You're not even mathematically
like you could literally get mathematically eliminated.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, there's so many more things that could happen, like.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That would be horrible if they went in. I don't
see it happening. But I don't see it happening either.
But we didn't see like a lot of people didn't
see the bright. You gotta go in, you gotta win
the games, you know what I'm saying. Injuries wise, not
wishing anything with anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But you gotta go out there. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's gonna be wearing tear, like we won't see what
happens in week seven, Week eight, week nine. You know
what I'm saying, like who who's still standing up right?
You know what I'm saying like, that's it's a very
very long season. And going into week two talking about
you're gonna go undefeated because you want two games, it's
actually crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yes, So Michael Parsons is returning to Dallas next week.
Jerry Jones said the club will not plan for a
tribute type video during Sunday's game against the Packers, unlike
the ones they created for Emmitt Smith or Ezekiel upon
their return to Dallas. I don't he said, I don't
think that's appropriate this way. Emmittt was a different story.
(27:36):
There is, there is not. That's not to diminish Michael.
I think Micah has enough welcome out there, and we
need to show that's and we need to show that
we've got antidotes for that. All right, He's Sandy, He
go welcome them out there. They got to stop him.
(27:56):
What do you feel about this, dude? I'm me personally
just how I feel about how do you feel, Debo?
I don't think you should give any tribute to a
player that you are playing against that week, to give
any type of boosts all that, Like you can get
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all that after you're done playing or when you're not
in a game that I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I just don't. I'm not cool with it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like understand that he was there for four years and
he said, you know, this was a different situation.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That was a different situation.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
But I think the big thing too, though, is like
he's playing the Packers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not trying to give him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
A highlight show of himself in our stadium against US.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I'm just not doing it like Emmer Smith was what
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But nobody Ms Smith for show.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But do you feel the same way about like because
if Ezekiel Elliott got one, do you think it's a
little different or not? Because I think Emms Smith won
super Bowls for them, you know what I'm saying and
played for them for a very very long time. Multiple
definitely did a re up contract. I think I think
that's the other thing too well.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You gotta also understand that Jerry feel like Micah did
him wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh for sure, so's a little different, you know what
I'm saying. No, I think I think the big thing is.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Like over time, especially in this business, what you know,
issues you may have had with a coach or owner
or GM, they dissipate over time. It's not it's no longer,
you know, much longer. Yeah, And on top of it,
like it's no issues now in the current time that
(29:54):
having the same or having that relationship you don't have.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You won't have that same relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So you tend to just let things go and and
move on and you build back you know, whatever that
relationship would be, or you don't and you just you
just splice off. But people just you don't, you don't
care as much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I think I think it's a I think it's a
like a two way street. I think it's with Jerry
Jones too. You know how he didn't let my man,
Jimmy Johnson, he wasn't in the Ring of Honor for
a while because you know what I'm saying, that relationship
knowing he should have been in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And then I think with Jerry Jones, bringing in.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Uh, Michael Parsons, I don't think four years playing with
the team deserves a.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Highlight tape you coming back to the spot. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
If you would have went Super Bowls and been there
for a while multi contract guy and then coming back
on your like later latter end of your career, then mate,
you know what I'm saying, just out of respect depending
on how how that relationship ended, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
People do feel some type of way, like you said,
and owners do have a right to either do it
or not. And I know Jerry not putting Jimmy in
the ring of honor for a while it's more personal.
And then, like you said, once time goes by and
bygones be bygones, he ends up putting it back in
because it's like, all right, yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But Michael Parsons, we just went through nasty contract negotiation.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yes, you were here for four years. This is still fresh.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's too fresh, like and I'm looking at my pass
rush right now.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, No, I ain't giving you none of that, none
of that right now. No, No, I don't want you
to feel like, no, this is your world.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
No, this is Jerry's world, right, Like, I can see
definitely why he wouldn't do it, And it's just situational whise,
So like, don't feel no type of way that Jerry's
not doing it. I can see why he's doing it.
I would expect him to not do the highlight tape
right now. It's too early, is too fresh, and you
know what I'm saying. Michael was just in the building,
so like definitely, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So Travis Hunter and stuff over here, he's playing both
sides offense defense.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Played over thirty snaps at each wide.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Receiver and cornerback for Jacksonville in weeks one and two,
and they said, however, he has not been as impactful
us thrust thrust far, especially on the offensive side of
the ball. Sixteen targets, ten catches, seventy six yards. Coach Prime,
who has consistently supported Hunter.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Said.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They're not using him enough. Quote, they're not using him enough.
I've seen it with my own eyes on everyday basis
for three straight years, so I know what he's capable of.
He's always had at least five hours of study each week.
He had a phenomenal he's he is just a phenomenal athlete,
one of the greatest I've ever seen do both simultaneously,
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and he's dominated.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What do you.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What do you think? Do you think he just needs time?
Do you think he needs a better I'm fin do
you think.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
My mind is starting to get a little bit I'm
starting to think a little bit differently than what I
thought about it first, just because what they say, like,
you got to be a master, a master of you
if you're really good at a lot of the things
that you can't be a master or none. So I'm
kind of more now lean into if we want him
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to Jacksonville, we want to get him on the ball.
We want him to be he's an offensive player, he's
a wide receiver. Also, if you want to do it,
make him something one hundred percent. Let him be able
to get out there where he can get all of
the plays on offense know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Because he's a playmaker.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
He's a game changer, and I think if he gets
the ball in his hands, like Prime is saying, he
can help your offense out splitting him and not being
able to let him thrive. You know what I'm saying
at one is kind of I think limit to him,
and it's not letting him just be able to go
all in and get plays on something like being able
to get coming out, not being able to get a groove,
getting the feel of a game. I think that is
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kind of a real thing. And me, I didn't play
both ways. But I'm just saying, like, you gotta get
going and being able to get going on defense and
then having to come out get going on offense, starting
to get a groove having to come out, I don't
know what kind of flow or what kind of rhythm
you can get going.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So I can see what Deon saying is like, you're
not using them right.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think you got to use them one hundred percent
on offense or something or doing or one hundred percent
on depense or one hundred percent on offense and twenty
percent on depense.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
But you gotta make the main one of the main things.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
The main thing to where he can be a Pro
bowler at something or he won't just be average at both.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know what I'm saying. I think he can be a.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Really great Pro Bowl receiver or a really great Pro
Bowl cornerback, but if he's playing both at the same time,
with the time that he's getting with the plays, he's
not gonna be able to impact the.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Game in the way that he is.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
So he needs to be one hundred percent out there
on the field no matter what. And I think that's
going to increase his impact tremendously on whatever side he
ends up going one hundred percent of it. But he
got a main thing something, so he can be a
master or something and not just good or average at
two things.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, I think they should.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They should do the same thing and just pick one,
whether it's corner or if it's receiver, and let him
grind the in focus on that, and you can have
you know, special.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Things here and there where he's.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Not actually dedicated to having to learn a whole bunch
on one side or the other to do whatever those
few you know, number of plays is. But I think
if he's able to sit on one side, really concentrate
on that, focus in on that, and just let his
athletic talent, you know, dictate how he plays on the other,
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I think he I think he would be more impactful.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That was what I said, because more than more I
think about it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Though to depot it's like, how much time do you
actually really have in practice, you know what I'm saying,
like to do the things like my office is doing
their thing, defense is doing our thing, and then when
we go together, it's you're you know what I'm saying,
you're kind of you can't be in two places at
one time to be getting the installed with the guys,
with everything and kind of.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
All meetings go on at the same time, all.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Means are going on at the same exact time, so
you can't really be in two places at one time.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
So I love Travis Hunner.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I don't think that, but I don't think I think
that it's not letting him be as great as he
can be when he's got the pulling. He's got to
be in two places at one time.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
When you can't do that, Yeah, you're giving him. I mean,
like again, you're talking college college to pro a little
bit of a different system, especially you know when you're
getting there with with you know defenses, you know, trying
to have a rookie quarterback you know read defenses. It's
a challenge, you know, and getting out there as a
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receiver and knowing when you know you're supposed to keep
going and sit down. You need to work a little
something here or there and being able to concentrate on
just that that offensive side of it or again, defensive
side of it, whatever they choose to be, choose him
to be is uh, it's what's really really gonna I
feel like you be able to help him lock in
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on on one.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Hey, man, look, I'm even put him on if you're
going to offense, special teams, kick the turn, pumpins turn,
did you I want to just get the ball in
his hands and then on offense because he's a playmaker.
If you want to do defense, you can do defense
too and all that stuff, but just make them let
him do something.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So it looks like the forty nine ers are three
and old. Buddy, they're doing well, but they just lost Bosa.
He's out with an ACL tear. Do you think I
mean they've from the last what one, three, five six years?
They've led not let but they've been up there high
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in injuries two to three. It looks like they were
number one. You feel like a curse. It's no curse.
I don't think it's a curse. I think I don't know, man.
I think it's just bad, you know, bad luck, timing,
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whatever you want to, you know do and you got
pretty out, Kittles out, Jenning's out, now you got um
hm Osa out.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
YEP. I mean I think it's unfortunate. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Everybody in the league is getting Everybody gets hurt, everybody,
all teams take get injured.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I don't think it's the second time that Bosa did
his a c O.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Bosa's been getting hurt a lot. Bro Man, I hope,
I hope he's gonna hope he's gonna be okay. But
like it's just them things happen. You don't want to,
you don't like like with a Cincinnati too. I mean,
this is all all over the league. You got great
like name guys going down. So, like I said, with
the with the like with the Packers, the season, it's
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a long season.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's going to be people going down here and there.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
It's just really like who's going to be able to
state the ship when people go down, next man up
and if you got a good next man, that's going
to just be able to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
That's the season. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Seventeen game regular season, then you got to get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So all the stuff right now.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Just being able to win these close games, being able
to figure your team out, being able to just get
in the groove is what the beginning of the season
is all about. So I'm sad for to forty nine ers,
but all teams go through this, All teams go through transition.
That's why you have to have your roster ready for
you know what I'm saying when people go down.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Botha Tourre's left ACL in twenty twenty and today, it's just.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Right, was that contact or non contact? Did you? Did you?
Did you?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I saw he was he was he had somebody on,
but I didn't. It didn't I didn't really get to
see how how much it was. It didn't look non contact.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No non contact when somebody was passing he was, he
was Russia and he had like the tackle was on.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Okay, okay, I mean that's a that's a that's a
little that's a little different. What was his first one?
Was his first one?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Non contact? I don't remember the first.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It's a high probability when you like when you tear
ligaments like a CL's all that stuff that if it's
non contact, it's like I want to say, it's like
a seventy something percent chance that you would tear the
other one non contact because they say it's, uh, it's
a genetic weakness in your ligaments.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
So that's one thing that you know, I was told.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Okay, so hope it.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Was contact not not non contact.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well he already did both, you know, So I mean
you actually camp big hamp tours, uh ACL non contact,
same thing he did it. I think he did his
other one in college and then a few years later
he ended up tearing this other one. But big Camp
(41:16):
Casey Hampton, oh Ca se Hampton. Okay, yeah, yeah, So
that's something to be weary, incautious if I don't even
know if they look and see what.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
What is going on with.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, like players, if they go you know, back
that far and check things out.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Like Bosa's injury history is wild.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Twenty fifteen senior year, he had a partially torn right
a CL. His final year in Ohio State, he had
a core surgery. Second year in the league, got the
left a CL. He had a growing last year, and
then this year, you know, he got he got a
right a.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. Like, man, maybe he's just injury from I mean,
that's that's a lot of that's a lot of injuries. Man.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, I don't know where is he working out at?
Like what type of training are you doing? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I mean, like I said, it's a combination of everything
on that. I mean he looks swow.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh yeah, he looks slow like he's working out like
you're training. But we'll make sure he's getting them things
healed up.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
He's both the family them dudes has been in the league.
It's a family of them, dude. So oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So Atlanta said, you know what, man, we gotta do something. Man,
they fired they fired the receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Uh I kill yard man, Yeah, I gotta, I gotta
So what uh what do you think this? Well, I'm
gonna go with. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It could be two things, Okay, So I'm gonna go
with it. Could be one of this. It could be
a case of, hey, somebody gotta go. We just lost
further than nothing, Carolina, Okay, somebody gotta go to save.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
The rest of us.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Okay, either we go get rid of one or all
of us go get fired. So this who under performer
receivers receivers under performer?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Hey, coach. We're gonna have to get you. We're gonna
have to get you up out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Hey, but the quarterback he went, he went like fifty,
like less than two hundred yards and he had like
two picks.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, we can't get rid of him, and we can't
get rid of his coach.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
We can't get rid of his coach. Hey, he a rookie.
Can't get rid of this is the first quarterback. Coach
is a rookie.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Coach for the no pinks is a rookie quarterbacks? Is
a rookie quarterback. When I'm saying who is he, Hey,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
You can't pull out his his quarterback is his coach
in the first in the first year.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
That's gonna look crazy. You can't do that, So I
said it.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So maybe it's a receiver or or it could be
a combination of the both.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Like some coaches don't like coach well. And when I
say coach well, I mean like like.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Develop their talent, the talent, be able to get the
most out of them. And I think you have some
coaches that can do that extremely well and some coaches
that can't.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And then you have a lot of coaches that can like.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Come into a situation and keep and already developed core
together that has been you know, developed without diminishing what
they have there because a lot of players, My.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Question is this, do you do you know who I
kill your is? Yeah? He was.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
He was a receiver for Yeah, he was receiver.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
He was nice.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
So I'm not gonna speak because, like you know, not
all player, not all ex players are good coaches. But
every ex player that I ever had that was my
coach was the best for me because they not not
just because they had the experience, but.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
They weren't say I can't say that, you can't say that,
or can't I can't say that, you can't say that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Now, I'm just saying from my experience, I had Cornell
Lake and then I had Aaron Glenn. Those two ex
players were really, really, really good coaches.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I'm not not like I heard what you said too,
because it could be I ain't gonna say Listen, I
ain't gonna say no names.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I ain't gonna even say with team was okay, I
ain't gonna say nothing. But we're doing linebacker drews okay,
and linebacker Drew we're doing is wild Bro it's a
rush the passer, uh you know, sack strip, yes to
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like a dropping coverage or something like. Dude, it was
it was wild. It was like something that you can't
complete on one play.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
You do a strip sack, then you drop back into cover.
I don't know. Listen, I can't remember how bad it was,
but listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yes, yes, yes, So as soon as it happens, man,
I look over at coach. I look over at my
coach and he looked at me and he's like, James,
just please do the drip, I said, coach, I.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Ain't doing this ship. This ain't gonna never happen in
the play. I'm like, I don't even know why you
let the dude. I've had that experience.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
No, no, I feel like I had the experience too
with with not with no. My only my coaches that
play will good coaches. I only had that experience with
non coaches that did drills that didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
But everybody's trying to reinvent the wheel, dude, and like
got to they want to stayed the same.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
The rules may have changed, but like half on the
sack drill and hold up, hold up, hold up. Maybe
a school.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Strip to the school and school okay, listen now was
another one where you go over the bags you punch
down on like you know, you stop somebody from cutting you. Yes,
you punched down on like three four bags and you
ripped through, rushed past sad recovery score if I hit
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four people see de bo see the shuffle down and
still get through sack from See where is everybody else
at bo?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
This is that that's just that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
But they're doing some realistic things that could happen in
a play, you know what I'm saying. So that's not
like one play you're gonna do all those things, but
you may do ease separate things.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Why am I shuffling down and you're trying to cut
me on a pass like multiple people because they won't
keep your hands down?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
So where the other what I done? Ran through four
five of them? You know you're right, you should just
do one.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
So you just say you just need to do legitimate
one time, one person there and.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Then move on. There's no reasons it's not down full
cup blocks and a half man.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
And most of the time if you're doing if they're
doing an immediate cup block, it's a punch down. They
trying to get your hands down. That means it's a
quick pass and you out of this. Not I'm not
going down the line boom boom.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, this is just it's just you're just not trying
to do no unrealistic drills. Yeah. So, like I said,
that's why, you know, it could be a combination. I mean,
and looking at.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Just looking at Hillyert's coaching, you know, he has spent
time as a receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
So I don't know exactly you know, what it is.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I think the most he spent was like maybe four,
four or five years in Washington, and then you know
it's a year here, two years here, a year here,
and I think before this he might have been out
of it for a couple of years. So I don't
I don't know exactly what it is, but it's one
of them. Somebody gotta go, So hey, listen, for the
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betterment of the squad, somebody gotta go.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
We either go all lose our jobs or we're gonna
have to sacrifice one person for.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
The betterment of the collective. Someone gotta go, and it
ain't me, So gotta be somebody.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Right, So what I'm saying, so, I mean, how much
can wide receiver coach be responsible for all the all
the bad come that came through that game? Not a
whole lot, but you know, when you start trying to
it's the same thing when you lose it, and you
got the report's trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Out what's going on? Why are they losing? They're a
good team, why are they losing? And now they see that,
oh so and so.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Has a problem with so and so, or this guy
was late, and you know they started they started looking
for anything. And the crazy thing is nine d nine
point nine percent of the time it was already there.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
They just weren't looking for it.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
They didn't pay attention to it because it's nothing to
look for when you're winning and everything's going good.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Now they are not winning, so they're gonna be able
to pick a point of everything. And I'm saying with
that rookie quarterback too, hopefully now you're looking at the
quarterback coach and he said you gotta develop him, so
hopefully he's getting if he's not getting better, Yeah, the
o c too.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh see, then that wide receiver coach man, he only
he doing with the OC y'all trying to what are y'all?
What are the players? I'm just telling my receivers what
we need to do from while I'm here from y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
So, I mean, we got to see what kind of
Then again, dude, if it's an execution thing, that means
your receivers aren't executing it. So like, why would you
get rid of the coach when you try and get
you some different receivers.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I was got to do better, but you know what
I got. I'm gonna tell you who my defensive player.
I got, my defensive player of the week.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Uh huh? Who you got?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
My defensive player of the week is Hutchinson, the defensive
lineman from.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I think that's what I get.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I can understand that his effort amazing. He was getting
after Lamar Jackson. It wasn't just sacking him. He was
stopping to run unlimited effort and then to punch out
at the end of the game to force the fumble.
He's just unlimited effort, bro, getting after Lamar ain't getting
after dead Cary. So I'm gonna go ahead and get
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after him. He was on the Monday night, all eyes
on him shout out Hutchinson.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna have to go with somebody else.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I'm gonna have to go with somebody that scored more
points on defense than the team they were playing against
did on offense.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
And that is I know who you're going. What's what's
his last name? What's Isaiah's last name? What's his last name? Rogers? Yeah,
I'm going with Rogers.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
My guy took one to the house, scooped another one up,
and took it to the house by himself.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
He was for twelve points, Bro, they could have won
with just that. There would have been ten to twelve.
And look at me, I'm picking the I'm picking the
D lineman and you picking the dB. Listen, man, he
went on ahead. Points on the board. You can't. You
can't need no better than the points on the board.
You can't. You can't. It's nothing. It's nothing out here, dude,
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Like you gotta think about it.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Isaiah Rogers became the first player in NFL history to
record a pick six, a fumble return for a touchdown,
and two forced fumbels in a single game.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Come on, dang, and he did all that in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, you want to change yours. Yeah, I mean for
sure he was. He was better. He was the defensive
player on over here. Yeah, the census. Nah, that was
my bad.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That was my bad.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I got, I got. I got reminded about the I
got reminded about it too late. I should have I
should have picked him. It's good. We we in the census.
We got it going. He deserves it though, that's for sure. Question. No,
he saw the boy. He gave twelve, He scored twelve.
He could have almost he could have beat the.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Package by he could be Cincinnati by theyself to be Cincinnati,
and he could have beat the Packers.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
This is true, young, this is true. He could. I
see what you're saying. I see what the other game.
I got you. You know I got you. You lost
me for a minute there, I thought you. I thought
you see he was kicking in.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I try to keep I try to keep my head
out of it, trying and keep it low. I try
and keep it low too. But my teeths be having
me think. They be like, man're right, you talk, you
can't pronounce words? Man, you done lost it? You know, no, man,
it's they be catching a little yo yo, catching all
that I had. I had the whole thing up top
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at one point and then I had it down the bottom.
It first start off just like on the right side
to open up.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But you know what I wanted to say to you know,
we got to talk about a little bit before that,
my We got to talk about a little bit of
our college football ship too, because uh man stopped.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
You know, you know, you know what, I got to
always bring up my Gators. I'm gonna talk about the Gators,
and they got to be more careful the Gators. The Gators.
Y'all got a football teammate.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Man.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Right now, we're out there playing like the baby Gators.
But we gotta do better. What what y'all? I don't
know what's going on. I love I love Florida, I
love the Gators, but we gotta get back on track.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
We gotta get back on track. Leg way, what are
we doing our office? Zero explosiveness? Listen, y'all might not
have enough? Uh N I L N L I what's
that we gotta we gotta all, well, we gotta get
a Gator fund and get the N I L bucket right,
and we gotta start figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
We gotta talk to some lums. Oh yeah, and we
have to get it right right here with Joe.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I'm calling yep yet, I know, I know Pouncy, I
know Maje, I know the boys. They was down there
at the game and that was not the display we
was trying to give. So Florida, we're gonna have to
get back on it. But it's always, but always go Gators.
It's always go get.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Where is my Where's where's my where's my dirt? I
gotta I gotta always helm or something around that's not anywhere. Man.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Uh, I'm gonna talk about it always. You put a
gator on you, bro, Gators, I'm gonna talk about my
my school, Oh State State University, Golden Flashes. Yeah yeah,
(56:33):
when the game in the last like twenty something though,
that's I mean, we we ain't got no we ain't
got no funds.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
We ain't got no and I ain't starting no funds.
I'm gonna be one hundred with y'all.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You know, as soon as the dude get good, you know,
you know, they come they come snatching. You get a
good one, they you know, they come snatching.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
You know what I'm saying. You know you're losing for
a little bit of change, you know. So, I mean,
debo you funny. You ain't donating, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
I donated already, Brokay Jim, they got listen, got.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
To gym trash, seem trash.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
It went to trash. It used to have waits in it.
I think it got bands in there. Now it's hot
boo boo. Okay, Like, hey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's called the James Harrison something something something James can.
I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Take please if y'all ain't gonna put it back to
what it useduld be. Man, it ain't nothing spectacular, but
at least you know what I'm saying, Just go ahead
and just it's it's a bad situation over there. Man,
it's a bad situation like whoever, like they switching coaches,
like like you change your draws.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Man. Oh man, it's bad. It's bad. So I don't.
I don't my bad man. Look, look, both of our
schools not doing the best right now.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yo, they need to go ahead and take the James
hands to strength and condition the center and just please,
like do something.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Pull my name off the thing. Man, it ain't no
it ain't nothing. Just strong in there with you want
me to do Okay, we gotta throw some weights in there.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Devo, I don't I don't understand. And on top of it, hey,
they spelled it wrong on the school website. Bron can't
state you can't stay. You gotta do better for Debo, man,
we got to you gotta do better for everybody. Y'all
know y'all had Jack Lambert there. Jack Lambert can't state, Wow,
(58:47):
you ain't know that digit.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Jack Laber knew you.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
I knew the Edelman Gates Gates cribs. Yeah, come on,
he played basketball though he didn't want to come out
for the who they don't even he's with the Cats
stay yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
For sure for sure? Like what.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Like, I don't understand it dude. Anyway, man, we were
b out there. We want to thank you guys for
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Speaker 2 (59:36):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
How you doing today, Joe Man.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm doing good, brother, Debo Man, always good after a
great day night of watching football.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man, how you feeling you know, I'm feeling real good man.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Anytime, you know, the Ravens lose, there's only one thing
that's better than that, and that's a you know, that's
still a win.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, No, for sure, you know, I can't think of
nothing else. You know, the Ravens going there and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They get beat thirty eight to you know, thirty to
thirty at they crib at, they crib.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Here's the craziest thing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It's like I'm listening to the announcers like before the game,
and they're talking about how, you know, the Ravens defense
is so stacked, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, hmm,
it gave up four hundred and some chains to Buffalo
Cleveland don't really count, but they still gave.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Up five point two a carry.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying it was on the field
for seventy plays, lost the time of possession, this vaunted
defense that can't see him to get off the field,
and the first player to drive. What Detroit do They
go down there eleventh plays, is no resistance.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They score, and I'm sitting there like, whoa, Okay, maybe
you know, maybe they just lacking. Baltimon Wore comes in.
I really didn't expect them to go down that fast
and just score seven. I think it was only like
five or six plays or something.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, the Martin made it look easy. Derek counting right.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm like, okay, okay, maybe uh maybe it's gonna be
one of them games. I really not too comfortable with.
It's high scoring games. I don't really like high scoring games.
I prefer for the Ravens lose every time, but I
just I don't I don't like I don't like high
scoring games. The very next possession, dude, the punter, the
punt returner, he makes a horrible decision. I'm like, this
(02:12):
is going and this looked like it might be going sideways.
They didn't put him in like inside the two bro Yes,
I'm like, okay, let's see.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
What's going to happen here.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
But again that vaulted defense that's so stacked that this said,
let him go the full length.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Ninety eight yards.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, eighteen plays, almost eleven minutes, bro.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And on top of that, thirteen of those eighteen with
running plays. So they went ahead and shut it down
their throat that dude.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
They gave him some Montgomery, they gave him some gibs.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was. It was embarrassing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
They started at the two, and they drove it all
the way down the field. It didn't look there was
no resistance.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Right, and then in the very next possession, I'm looking
and I'm like, the Ravens start driving again. You know,
they get a little short feel. They drive and they
go for it on fourth down and I'm like, please,
don't let them make it. They don't make it. I'm like, cool,
they lose the points. They don't get the points. Rather,
I should say, you know, you get Detroit back on
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the field. I'm like, all right, Detroit go through something. Nope,
Ravens actually stood up. They go, they go three and out.
I'm like, okay again, then again, these dudes a short field.
Lamar then basically just takes it on him. Of course
it was a PI in that whole thing, but you
know they tie it back up.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Man, we're going in a half time.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm thinking, no question, I'm thinking it's about to be
one of these high scores, dude. Then the third quarter
comes in and now I'm sure like it's going to
be a high score. The Ravens run down there and
immediately boom them with twenty one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
When they do that, though, devot on that drive when
they came out, I would say, the Lions, they could
have picked the.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Ball off twice. You dropped one with Branch.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
He came, he dropped the pick, and then they tried
to run a double pass and not a double pass,
a toss to Henry.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He tried to throw one. Dj Reed had one in
the end zone. So they had that y.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
They had two picks that they dropped, and then they
ended up giving up a touchdown on that drive. So
I was looking at I was looking at like the
Ravens right there, like, man, these y'all, y'all gotta y'all slipping,
you know what I'm saying. And then the Lions like
y'all letting them y'all could be trying to close them
out like turn it making those plays turnovers, but gave
them more chances drove it down.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They scored their twenty one fourteen Right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Now I'm thinking, all right, the Ravens defense, they gonna
come out and they go go ahead, put a put
a stop to it.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's gonna start being you know, the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
That the announcers was talking about, and no, Detroit goes
down their answers twenty one, twenty one one.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
But let me tell you about this one too. This
this is where I started talking about Detroit's play calling.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Do you know what I'm saying? They didn't. Yeah, they
did a double pass in that drive.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And then they did a double move with I'm Ronz
Brown hit him with the double move to get that
to get that touchdown. It was like some of the things,
it was just looking easier for the Lions than the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know what I'm saying, Like Jersey had way more
consistent with it.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, no question, no, no, So Jim got back to
twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So now, oh, the Droit comes out the defense answers
three and out. I'm surprised by that go lie because
it's Lamar. How many times you hold him to three
and out? It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah? Yeah, Now what did that Balton Ravens defense do
after that?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
They gone ahead and they give up hey, gil seventy
two yards to my guy Dave Montgomery. Okay, and then
when they scored, it was I don't even.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Know what the call.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It is, like a a double pitch, a handoff pitch,
whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was funky right here.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Had my man, I'm wrong, save Brown running an option
with Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That was That's why I go with the play calling.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Like just just calling you know what I'm saying, just
making things easier for them getting the ball into your
playmaker's hands.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Some people are running scott free like that was just great.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Play call on the line side, making it easy for
them to you know what I'm saying, get down the field,
make plays happen.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
So don't make it easy, now, you know he Montgomery
came to that thing with that Bob was down there
in the Z man he.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Was, he didn't and he did catch it, and the
refrigerator did jump on my man's back.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And no question, no question, I'm seeing him run and
I'm like, man, I hope he's looking at the scoreboard
because dude coming up on that right, he see them
start leading.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, he started leading right, and then Lamar comes in
immediately starts driving again.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
But what happens the same issue that has been happening
a little bit, well, basically the whole game, Like he's pressured,
he's sacked on two I believe, two consecutive downs, all
of them out.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
They end up having to settle for a field goal.
And now it's what.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Twenty eight twenty four games close everything going good. Defense
comes out there again. Baltimore actually stands up. They gonna
have them with three, and now they get a stop
and lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Derrick Henry goes and fumbles the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Inside like they twenty fifteen yard line, and I'm like, yo, if.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
They get this Tuddy right here, it's over with. And
I'm thinking Ravens ain't gonna be able to stop him.
They too close, like they already drove on them for
like ninety eight, you know, and then another one for
like ninety four.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I'm like, they ain't gonna be able to stop them.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They actually stand up hold them to three people three right,
So it's still it's still within there, you know what
I'm saying. But that defense of the Detroit lines, Dude,
they come out very first play the sack Lamark, they
don't put them behind the chains.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They go three and out.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Dude, Muhammad was bawling Hutchison, getting after him the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
They had seven sacks, bro.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
No hey, no question about it. And then what does
Detroit they get that rock back? They only ran seven plays, dude,
Come on, I believe five of them was run plays.
And my guy Demo again, he go go ahead and
kept that thing off with a thirty one yard touchdown.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
No for sure.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
But the biggest play on that drive too, was the
fourth and two that they hit when they like they
kept they kept saying, Amar Brown in to like insert block,
you know what I'm saying, kept having insert block all
the plays third and shorts. He was in the insert
block and insert blocking. And when you need the player play,
he comes in like he's about the insert block. And
he takes off on the seventh round and he holds him,
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you know right, you know what I'm saying. And that
was a great pass by Golf. So I look at
it when in the second half. It's play calling, it's execution.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You know what I'm saying. That they were doing that
was so good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So then obviously after that fourth and two they got it. Montgomery,
he's gonna toe to that, he's gonna get He was
doing it the whole game, running for first down every toe.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So question, dude, like out of out of control with it,
I mean for this so called I mean last.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Year they were they were good against the run. This
year they're they're horrible against a round.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So basically, they down fourteen I think it's less than
two minutes left, they managed to get a little touchdown,
missed it.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know how that goes devout? Yeah, yeah, like you know,
it's really kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Garbage time, but you will, like you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Know what I'm saying, Like third twenty six, Hill broke
a tackle and got that first down, and then they
was able to do the garbage defense just retreating, retreating.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
They right, they did that, the defense that you made.
I hate that, dude, I hate that with a passion,
and they gave it up.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So honestly, at the end of the day, the score
was really thirty eight to twenty four. That was a
garbage seven. It made it look like they lost by eight.
But man, that last drive by the last drive by
the Lions being able to get that fourth and two
and then score that touchdown was amazing. And then Hutchison
in that defense being able to create those sacks. They
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sacked Lamar seven times and then he pushed the rock out.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
On Derrick Henry, that was a derecky. You gotta make
sure that you don't bomb the ball. But at the
end of the day, that's great effort. He was going
at the rock. He was looking at that ball to
punch it out, you know what I'm saying. Like, so
that's why you know what I'm saying, you gotta protect
the Derrick Henry. But that's great defense of ball searching,
trying to make sure you see the rock, go get
that ball.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know what I'm saying, No question, dude, Them dudes.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Were hooping in Detroit, you know what I'm saying. Being
able to make those plays.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I believe the Lions had more rushing yards than they
had passing yards, Like I think they had like two.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Four rushing and I think like two eight passing. Yes, Yes,
that's what that sound sound. That sounds about right, dude.
That's battle.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
The Ravens have issues over there. The defense right now
is trash. I'm there serious, Like they've giving up over
four hundred yards a game. Bro. They're dead last, you
know in past, rady, I mean in the past, like
as far as you know yards, they're I think they're middle,
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middle bottom, half of in the rush and dead last
as a whole unit, you know. And I don't know
what happened with the offensive line. Lamar Sacks, like you
said seven times, but he was pressure thirty broad thirty
times and he still went. He still went twenty one
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of twenty seven for almost three hundred with three tugs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Think what he could do if he wasn't under all
that pressure all night, then for sure what he could do.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And the Ravens only had eighty five yards rushing, Like,
you built what you have right now around being able
to successfully run the ball. And you got Derrick Henry
who is in here making history, Like my god, non fumbled.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You're talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
This game in the first three games, he just made
history with that. We gotta he gotta get some some
ball security going on, like maybe do some some drills
of some sort and you know, I understand this coming
from the backside, but I mean, at all times you's
supposed to have that thing high and tight.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So dude, you know how coach he said, man, you
running with you running with our hopes and dreams, no question.
That is the livelihood of the guests. If you lose
the rock, that's the main thing you can't just be.
I know you're a great running back, but those are
possessions and you lose them on each game. We don't
want it to become a thing. I'm not knocking Derek,
but that's just something that you can't have done. I
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know he's mad about it, but you gotta make sure
that that that's you can't be fumbling the ball like that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's gonna mess up the squad.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So like the coach, he would say, man, you're running
with our hopes and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Dreams, so that ball is everything. Hey. Hey.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
They also became the first team and in NFL history
to have one hundred and eleven points in the season
through the first three games and have a losing record.
Like they breaking all kind of records over there, and
it's because the defense is not doing their part.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
They're not even close doing their part. You gave up.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Four scoring drives of sixty nine, No. Sixty seven, ninety eight,
sixty and ninety four. Ye what defense that's supposed to
be so great does that.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
It's hard to make those drives to make like just
continue to get first downs, not just like a chunk
play like a two play drive. We're talking about eleven
minutes off the clock.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
We're talking about letting longer plays. They just had almost
a whole quarter.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Come on, now that's talking about that's not On top
of that, the Ravens had twenty miss tackles.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Bro Now, that's bad ball, and especially when they're toting
the ball at such a high clip. Montgomery was ran
the ball for it was eleven twelve toes for one
fifty four.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
He had the seventy five yard of but without that,
it's still eleven Like, there's still eleven totes to eighty.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yards seven point five to carry. Regardless, if you take
away the seventy five yards, you can't take it away.
Ain't no taking. It ain't no taking.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But with these thirteen yards a toe, that's thirteen yards
of toe like, you can't win like that. And then
Jared golf. He didn't get sacked, and he sat zero sack,
zero sacks twenty four I think it was twenty one
for twenty seven something like that, with two hundred and
two yards a touchdown, zero interceptions.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's what you're looking for.
He's not.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
He didn't wasn't actually do too much when he needed
to convert those third downs. He was doing it, handing
it off Gibbs, catching out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
They have so many players.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That they just getting it to them when they need
to making the right plays. And they were just running
through the Ravens defense. They couldn't really do anything. They
couldn't stop nothing. Oh they couldn't even get close to
stopping nothing. And that's something else. The Lions defense.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Dude, they they did everything that was basically necessary, baring
a few little things here and there. But again they
had Ravens twenty miss tacles. Lions only had four miss
tackles on defense, Like they were wrapping things up in.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Super like that's what you gotta do. It's dude, it's
only like four as a whole defense. What was it?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean, they really only had whatever was it forty
something fifty plays or whatever it was that really that
really mattered.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
But at the same time, like you're talking about Lamar.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Jackson and that was probably for the miss tackles, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
For no, for sure, I mean I saw them and
they missed the tackle of on that third and twenty
six at the end of the game doing making when
he ended up getting the first down. So you take
away that play, like them dudes were swooping making making
tackles when they had to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh, no question. Then that deepensive line.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like Hutchison him being able to get after the quarterback
create those sacks and force the fumbles Mohammed Like they
just had a bunch of dudes making plays.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
In the back end. DJ reed Branch he was in
position all the time. That's the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
They weren't people just running scot free a lot saying
like people were making plays like Andrews made plays on
Branch with him right in his pocket, Like that was
just a great throws, great catches, you know what I'm saying.
But good position, you know what I'm saying, They gonna
win something. But it wasn't like he was just running
wide up and by himself from a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, and a lot of the guys that was with Detroit,
they were they were hurt last year towards the end
of the year. So they're back. They're back for strength
right now. So they're getting they're getting something that they
that they didn't see at the end. And I think
people are and plus, you know what, I think they
had what was it, eight new coaches on the whole
staff of Detroit, two both offense and defensive coordinators. I
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think they're starting to get all that together right now
and be able to put it together so that they
can go out there, you.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Know, and do what they they do.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
They they look they're going on an upward trajectory. You
know how he said at the beginning to see we
didn't really know. It didn't look too good. But they
continue to show that they're getting better and they're taking
it week by week, game by game. I mean, I
really like the way that they do their approach, and
I think it's a head coach like they love the
way they head coach keep going it for fourth down.
They're trying to win the game. They're not trying to lose.
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They're not playing scared and if you got a coach
that believes in you guys, and you are executing at
a high clip, then you know what I'm saying, They
y'all are y'all are on the right on the right path.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It says before twenty twenty five, no starting quarterback had
ever lost multiple games where they had one hundred and
forty passer rating in a single in a single season.
Lamar Jackson already has two losses through three weeks, over
one forty for this year. He was one forty four
against Buffalo, he was one forty eight to day, well
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yesterday against the Lions. Both games they lost, Like, what what.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Do you say to your offense?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Your offense, your defense, hell, your offensive line this this
week because they didn't really help much of you know,
the stats that he did get. They allowed guys to smacking, hitting, pressuring.
What do you what do you say to that? Like,
how do you come in and be like yo, like
(18:41):
we could do this better, we could I think.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Some of the stuff with the offensive line of some
of the sacks, I would say, I would say some
of the sacks are like Lamar trying to extend plays,
keeping the ball a little bit too long sometimes Lamorrow
take off. You know what I'm saying, If it's not there,
we need to just just go get something slow, get down.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You're an athlete, like.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Some of that stuff, just trying to wait, wait, wait,
like it's not there, it's not there, Get out of there.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So some of it isn't as much on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But at the same time, y'all are scoring, you're playing,
you're efficient. Our offense is pretty efficient. We scored thirty points.
But like that's some stuff we just got to watch
the tape. Continue to do better. But a lot of
these things aren't all bad as much. We can definitely
do better. We can definitely protect Lamar. We can protect
the ball, Derek Henry not fumbling once a game. We
don't don't turn the ball over. We're great, We're a
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good offense. But we can't be giving the ball back.
We can't keep putting our defense. Our defense already struggling.
Let's not help. Let's not hurt them anymore. You know
what I'm saying. Let's try to give them short fields.
Let's try to make them protect like leads.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
If they're having to play from behind, they're not really
that defense is going to get us back into the game.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So for hell, really when they playing ahead, that don't
work either. We saw that in Buffalo. Yeah, no, I mean,
I mean, right, something, something has.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
To be done. I think I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
It's it's more of the defensive fault of the rape
on the Ravens. And then I would say the offense.
Oh Man and Lamar Jackson, his QB ratings are amazing.
Sometimes I'm just saying, don't keep the ball in your
hands as much. Just try to get out of there,
throw the ball away. It's okay. He averages less than
one throwaway a game. It's so because he does. He
believes if it's in my hands, I'm going to make
something happen. But sometimes just getting it out of bounds,
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living for the next play is a better situation, you
know what I'm saying. So the defense can definitely definitely
do a lot better. Offense isn't really struggling too much.
It's just it's a team game. We got to have
the defense throwing a whole lot better. And we can't
turn the ball over basically at all. Like Derek Henry,
we can't have your average one turnover a game. That's
not when the football for us. Oh yeah, it's going
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to start with the defense.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Though. With the defense, I mean, of.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Course the offense is not playing perfect, but you're looking
at the numbers that you know they're putting up.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
We got to be able as a defense to stop someone.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We're historically bad right now at the Ravens, Like you
can't be asking you know what I'm saying. Then the
office is doing is good but okay, not the best.
But your defense is historically bad, Like we can do
a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So Matt little fure watch how I say it braces
the flood. If I don't go, if I don't put
my lips out, it breaks up against my stuff. He
wasn't happy with the undefeated talk from his team. I
guess after they went to and Oh the tackle Walker.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Said that he thought.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He said, I see it a million you know, La
Fuerel said, I see it a million times. I say
it a million times to you guys. I don't think
I've obviously said it enough to our team.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
The goal is to go one and oh every week,
he said.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
And it pisses me off when we start talking about
things outside of the game. Things that are that are
way down the road, like focus on keep the focus
on the present, on now, and worry about getting better
each and every day. How do you feel about guys
when they go to the I think we can go
and defeat it and actually put it, put it out there,
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say it in the interview, and you're only you know,
you're only two to zero at that point.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think it's dumb.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
At the end of the day, you what coach said
was the best thing that you could say.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Go want to know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It's hard enough to win a game, you know what
I'm saying, and then these dudes are getting paid. If
you start looking forward and past, folks, that's how you
lose to a team that you were better than. You
got to eat the team that you play in that
stadium that week. That's all you got to do. That's
all you got to worry about. Our film study. Our
focus is about this team because they can beat us.
These are also professional athletes that were playing against and
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if you get your mind past that, you're thinking about
something else, you can.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Easily lose, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So I think you got to be singularly focused on
exactly what the mission is, and that's each week, winning
this game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
When you walk to a stadium, our goal is to
beat this team.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I'm study, I'm doing all of my film work, I'm
doing everything I gotta do to win this week. And
if we don't win this week, we'll figure it out
Monday and Tuesday and on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
My goal is to win the next game. You know
what I'm saying. Period, that's gonna be off your map.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You're not worried about that because you're not Monday, because
they already yeah Monday, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
So Tuesday is washed, but like Wednesday, we're completely singlely
focused on the next one. So it's like, you gotta
it's hard enough to win a game in this league.
And then when you start thinking that you're better than
you are and start preparing for other teams and not
worrying about the team that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Ahead of you, that's how you're going to lose. Dogs.
Stop them.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Then if they're not good enough, you know what I'm saying,
they shouldn't be on the field, Make this this that
game go crazy, and then you can go to the
next one and then work on that. So I completely
agree with the coach and the way he thinks, because
like it's any given Sunday, you walk into the stadium
thinking it's sweet, and you'll get smacked and then you'll
be looking crazy trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, I think what I one agree with him?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And when when you hear guys say that and they
said out loud and it gets out there again bulletin
board material.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You don't want to get nobody, no bulletin board material
because what you just.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Did in week two, you just gave fifteen teams bulletin
board material because you looked at your lists that you
are teams that you had left and you said, when
when it's all wins, yes, I think we can go
five hundred. So you just said that to them without
saying it. I'm reading in between the lines you just said,
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you marking us as a w y'all go pop our ass.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What happens you go out.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
There to Cleveland, Cleveland got a defense, the offense does
its job, and you're sitting there and that undefeated talk
is a crock of shit.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You couldn't even win the next game.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I'm one hundred percent with him again, taking guy's life,
you're taking the team like, oh, we go go in here,
do this on my whole schedule, look like when you're
saying something like that, your whole to you, your whole
schedule looks like And it's nothing easy in this league, dude.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
No for sure, and debo.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Even if you feel that way, you're not gonna go
like you can say it amongst your boys, but once
you go put it out there to everybody, now it's that,
like you said, it's bulletton bord material. You feel like
you're gonna go undefeated. You think that any team you're
gonna play, you're gonna win. But like going out there
putting it out there is bulletin boar material. And then
when you go out there and get dog stumped, and
it's this early in the year, that was for all
for nothing. You know, you think you're gonna win, Just
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go out there be say it, be respectful in the media,
because then that's not gonna do anything. That's not gonna
do anything about how you go out there. And you
know what I'm saying, but I actually motivate somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yes, you are going to motivate the other team, like
this is what you said literally going into the before
the next game, which is up, which is Cleveland. Like
he said this, if you can't get up for that,
you can't get up for nothing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And from that point.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Forward, that could be used at every every team because
he looked at the thing and he said, phoo oh, yeah,
we're running the board. I don't see nobody on here
that could beat us.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't understand the thought process, especially that like it's
okay to sell with tickets to the next game, but
you just sold them to fifteen others and you don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You don't even you don't even know. You don't even know.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Man, you're talking about like we not even you're not
even a lot for the playoffs. You're not even mathematically
like you could literally get mathematically eliminated.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, there's so many more things that could happen, like.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That would be horrible if they went in. I don't
see it happening. But I don't see it happening either.
But we didn't see like a lot of people didn't
see the bright. You gotta go in, you gotta win
the games, you know what I'm saying. Injuries wise, not
wishing anything with anybody.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But you gotta go out there. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's gonna be wearing tear, like we won't see what
happens in week seven, Week eight, week nine. You know
what I'm saying, like who who's still standing up right?
You know what I'm saying like, that's it's a very
very long season. And going into week two talking about
you're gonna go undefeated because you want two games, it's
actually crazy.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yes, So Michael Parsons is returning to Dallas next week.
Jerry Jones said the club will not plan for a
tribute type video during Sunday's game against the Packers, unlike
the ones they created for Emmitt Smith or Ezekiel upon
their return to Dallas. I don't he said, I don't
think that's appropriate this way. Emmittt was a different story.
(27:36):
There is, there is not. That's not to diminish Michael.
I think Micah has enough welcome out there, and we
need to show that's and we need to show that
we've got antidotes for that. All right, He's Sandy, He
go welcome them out there. They got to stop him.
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What do you feel about this, dude? I'm me personally
just how I feel about how do you feel, Debo?
I don't think you should give any tribute to a
player that you are playing against that week, to give
any type of boosts all that, Like you can get
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all that after you're done playing or when you're not
in a game that I don't.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I just don't. I'm not cool with it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like understand that he was there for four years and
he said, you know, this was a different situation.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That was a different situation.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
But I think the big thing too, though, is like
he's playing the Packers.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not trying to give him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
A highlight show of himself in our stadium against US.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I'm just not doing it like Emmer Smith was what
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
But nobody Ms Smith for show.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But do you feel the same way about like because
if Ezekiel Elliott got one, do you think it's a
little different or not? Because I think Emms Smith won
super Bowls for them, you know what I'm saying and
played for them for a very very long time. Multiple
definitely did a re up contract. I think I think
that's the other thing too well.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You gotta also understand that Jerry feel like Micah did
him wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh for sure, so's a little different, you know what
I'm saying. No, I think I think the big thing is.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Like over time, especially in this business, what you know,
issues you may have had with a coach or owner
or GM, they dissipate over time. It's not it's no longer,
you know, much longer. Yeah, And on top of it,
like it's no issues now in the current time that
(29:54):
having the same or having that relationship you don't have.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You won't have that same relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So you tend to just let things go and and
move on and you build back you know, whatever that
relationship would be, or you don't and you just you
just splice off. But people just you don't, you don't
care as much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I think I think it's a I think it's a
like a two way street. I think it's with Jerry
Jones too. You know how he didn't let my man,
Jimmy Johnson, he wasn't in the Ring of Honor for
a while because you know what I'm saying, that relationship
knowing he should have been in the Ring of Honor.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And then I think with Jerry Jones, bringing in.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Uh, Michael Parsons, I don't think four years playing with
the team deserves a.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Highlight tape you coming back to the spot. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
If you would have went Super Bowls and been there
for a while multi contract guy and then coming back
on your like later latter end of your career, then mate,
you know what I'm saying, just out of respect depending
on how how that relationship ended, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
People do feel some type of way, like you said,
and owners do have a right to either do it
or not. And I know Jerry not putting Jimmy in
the ring of honor for a while it's more personal.
And then, like you said, once time goes by and
bygones be bygones, he ends up putting it back in
because it's like, all right, yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But Michael Parsons, we just went through nasty contract negotiation.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yes, you were here for four years. This is still fresh.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's too fresh, like and I'm looking at my pass
rush right now.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, No, I ain't giving you none of that, none
of that right now. No, No, I don't want you
to feel like, no, this is your world.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
No, this is Jerry's world, right, Like, I can see
definitely why he wouldn't do it, And it's just situational whise,
So like, don't feel no type of way that Jerry's
not doing it. I can see why he's doing it.
I would expect him to not do the highlight tape
right now. It's too early, is too fresh, and you
know what I'm saying. Michael was just in the building,
so like definitely, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So Travis Hunter and stuff over here, he's playing both
sides offense defense.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Played over thirty snaps at each wide.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Receiver and cornerback for Jacksonville in weeks one and two,
and they said, however, he has not been as impactful
us thrust thrust far, especially on the offensive side of
the ball. Sixteen targets, ten catches, seventy six yards. Coach Prime,
who has consistently supported Hunter.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Said.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They're not using him enough. Quote, they're not using him enough.
I've seen it with my own eyes on everyday basis
for three straight years, so I know what he's capable of.
He's always had at least five hours of study each week.
He had a phenomenal he's he is just a phenomenal athlete,
one of the greatest I've ever seen do both simultaneously,
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and he's dominated.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What do you.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What do you think? Do you think he just needs time?
Do you think he needs a better I'm fin do
you think.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
My mind is starting to get a little bit I'm
starting to think a little bit differently than what I
thought about it first, just because what they say, like,
you got to be a master, a master of you
if you're really good at a lot of the things
that you can't be a master or none. So I'm
kind of more now lean into if we want him
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to Jacksonville, we want to get him on the ball.
We want him to be he's an offensive player, he's
a wide receiver. Also, if you want to do it,
make him something one hundred percent. Let him be able
to get out there where he can get all of
the plays on offense know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Because he's a playmaker.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
He's a game changer, and I think if he gets
the ball in his hands, like Prime is saying, he
can help your offense out splitting him and not being
able to let him thrive. You know what I'm saying
at one is kind of I think limit to him,
and it's not letting him just be able to go
all in and get plays on something like being able
to get coming out, not being able to get a groove,
getting the feel of a game. I think that is
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kind of a real thing. And me, I didn't play
both ways. But I'm just saying, like, you gotta get
going and being able to get going on defense and
then having to come out get going on offense, starting
to get a groove having to come out, I don't
know what kind of flow or what kind of rhythm
you can get going.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
So I can see what Deon saying is like, you're
not using them right.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think you got to use them one hundred percent
on offense or something or doing or one hundred percent
on depense or one hundred percent on offense and twenty
percent on depense.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
But you gotta make the main one of the main things.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
The main thing to where he can be a Pro
bowler at something or he won't just be average at both.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know what I'm saying. I think he can be a.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Really great Pro Bowl receiver or a really great Pro
Bowl cornerback, but if he's playing both at the same time,
with the time that he's getting with the plays, he's
not gonna be able to impact the.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Game in the way that he is.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
So he needs to be one hundred percent out there
on the field no matter what. And I think that's
going to increase his impact tremendously on whatever side he
ends up going one hundred percent of it. But he
got a main thing something, so he can be a
master or something and not just good or average at
two things.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, I think they should.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They should do the same thing and just pick one,
whether it's corner or if it's receiver, and let him
grind the in focus on that, and you can have
you know, special.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Things here and there where he's.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Not actually dedicated to having to learn a whole bunch
on one side or the other to do whatever those
few you know, number of plays is. But I think
if he's able to sit on one side, really concentrate
on that, focus in on that, and just let his
athletic talent, you know, dictate how he plays on the other,
(35:47):
I think he I think he would be more impactful.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That was what I said, because more than more I
think about it.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Though to depot it's like, how much time do you
actually really have in practice, you know what I'm saying,
like to do the things like my office is doing
their thing, defense is doing our thing, and then when
we go together, it's you're you know what I'm saying,
you're kind of you can't be in two places at
one time to be getting the installed with the guys,
with everything and kind of.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
All meetings go on at the same time, all.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Means are going on at the same exact time, so
you can't really be in two places at one time.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
So I love Travis Hunner.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I don't think that, but I don't think I think
that it's not letting him be as great as he
can be when he's got the pulling. He's got to
be in two places at one time.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
When you can't do that, Yeah, you're giving him. I mean,
like again, you're talking college college to pro a little
bit of a different system, especially you know when you're
getting there with with you know defenses, you know, trying
to have a rookie quarterback you know read defenses. It's
a challenge, you know, and getting out there as a
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receiver and knowing when you know you're supposed to keep
going and sit down. You need to work a little
something here or there and being able to concentrate on
just that that offensive side of it or again, defensive
side of it, whatever they choose to be, choose him
to be is uh, it's what's really really gonna I
feel like you be able to help him lock in
(37:11):
on on one.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Hey, man, look, I'm even put him on if you're
going to offense, special teams, kick the turn, pumpins turn,
did you I want to just get the ball in
his hands and then on offense because he's a playmaker.
If you want to do defense, you can do defense
too and all that stuff, but just make them let
him do something.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So it looks like the forty nine ers are three
and old. Buddy, they're doing well, but they just lost Bosa.
He's out with an ACL tear. Do you think I
mean they've from the last what one, three, five six years?
They've led not let but they've been up there high
(37:55):
in injuries two to three. It looks like they were
number one. You feel like a curse. It's no curse.
I don't think it's a curse. I think I don't know, man.
I think it's just bad, you know, bad luck, timing,
(38:17):
whatever you want to, you know do and you got
pretty out, Kittles out, Jenning's out, now you got um
hm Osa out.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
YEP. I mean I think it's unfortunate. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Everybody in the league is getting Everybody gets hurt, everybody,
all teams take get injured.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I don't think it's the second time that Bosa did
his a c O.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Bosa's been getting hurt a lot. Bro Man, I hope,
I hope he's gonna hope he's gonna be okay. But
like it's just them things happen. You don't want to,
you don't like like with a Cincinnati too. I mean,
this is all all over the league. You got great
like name guys going down. So, like I said, with
the with the like with the Packers, the season, it's
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a long season.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's going to be people going down here and there.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
It's just really like who's going to be able to
state the ship when people go down, next man up
and if you got a good next man, that's going
to just be able to keep it going.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
That's the season. It's a long season.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Seventeen game regular season, then you got to get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So all the stuff right now.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Just being able to win these close games, being able
to figure your team out, being able to just get
in the groove is what the beginning of the season
is all about. So I'm sad for to forty nine ers,
but all teams go through this, All teams go through transition.
That's why you have to have your roster ready for
you know what I'm saying when people go down.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Botha Tourre's left ACL in twenty twenty and today, it's just.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Right, was that contact or non contact? Did you? Did you?
Did you?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I saw he was he was he had somebody on,
but I didn't. It didn't I didn't really get to
see how how much it was. It didn't look non contact.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No non contact when somebody was passing he was, he
was Russia and he had like the tackle was on.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Okay, okay, I mean that's a that's a that's a
little that's a little different. What was his first one?
Was his first one?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Non contact? I don't remember the first.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It's a high probability when you like when you tear
ligaments like a CL's all that stuff that if it's
non contact, it's like I want to say, it's like
a seventy something percent chance that you would tear the
other one non contact because they say it's, uh, it's
a genetic weakness in your ligaments.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
So that's one thing that you know, I was told.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Okay, so hope it.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Was contact not not non contact.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well he already did both, you know, So I mean
you actually camp big hamp tours, uh ACL non contact,
same thing he did it. I think he did his
other one in college and then a few years later
he ended up tearing this other one. But big Camp
(41:16):
Casey Hampton, oh Ca se Hampton. Okay, yeah, yeah, So
that's something to be weary, incautious if I don't even
know if they look and see what.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
What is going on with.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You know, like players, if they go you know, back
that far and check things out.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Like Bosa's injury history is wild.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Twenty fifteen senior year, he had a partially torn right
a CL. His final year in Ohio State, he had
a core surgery. Second year in the league, got the
left a CL. He had a growing last year, and
then this year, you know, he got he got a
right a.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah. Like, man, maybe he's just injury from I mean,
that's that's a lot of that's a lot of injuries. Man.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, I don't know where is he working out at?
Like what type of training are you doing? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I mean, like I said, it's a combination of everything
on that. I mean he looks swow.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh yeah, he looks slow like he's working out like
you're training. But we'll make sure he's getting them things
healed up.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
He's both the family them dudes has been in the league.
It's a family of them, dude. So oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Oh sure.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So Atlanta said, you know what, man, we gotta do something. Man,
they fired they fired the receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Uh I kill yard man, Yeah, I gotta, I gotta
So what uh what do you think this? Well, I'm
gonna go with. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It could be two things, Okay, So I'm gonna go
with it. Could be one of this. It could be
a case of, hey, somebody gotta go. We just lost
further than nothing, Carolina, Okay, somebody gotta go to save.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
The rest of us.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Okay, either we go get rid of one or all
of us go get fired. So this who under performer
receivers receivers under performer?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Hey, coach. We're gonna have to get you. We're gonna
have to get you up out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Hey, but the quarterback he went, he went like fifty,
like less than two hundred yards and he had like
two picks.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, we can't get rid of him, and we can't
get rid of his coach.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
We can't get rid of his coach. Hey, he a rookie.
Can't get rid of this is the first quarterback. Coach
is a rookie.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Coach for the no pinks is a rookie quarterbacks? Is
a rookie quarterback. When I'm saying who is he, Hey,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
You can't pull out his his quarterback is his coach
in the first in the first year.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
That's gonna look crazy. You can't do that, So I
said it.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So maybe it's a receiver or or it could be
a combination of the both.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Like some coaches don't like coach well. And when I
say coach well, I mean like like.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Develop their talent, the talent, be able to get the
most out of them. And I think you have some
coaches that can do that extremely well and some coaches
that can't.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And then you have a lot of coaches that can like.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Come into a situation and keep and already developed core
together that has been you know, developed without diminishing what
they have there because a lot of players, My.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Question is this, do you do you know who I
kill your is? Yeah? He was.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
He was a receiver for Yeah, he was receiver.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
He was nice.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
So I'm not gonna speak because, like you know, not
all player, not all ex players are good coaches. But
every ex player that I ever had that was my
coach was the best for me because they not not
just because they had the experience, but.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
They weren't say I can't say that, you can't say that,
or can't I can't say that, you can't say that.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Now, I'm just saying from my experience, I had Cornell
Lake and then I had Aaron Glenn. Those two ex
players were really, really, really good coaches.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I'm not not like I heard what you said too,
because it could be I ain't gonna say Listen, I
ain't gonna say no names.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I ain't gonna even say with team was okay, I
ain't gonna say nothing. But we're doing linebacker drews okay,
and linebacker Drew we're doing is wild Bro it's a
rush the passer, uh you know, sack strip, yes to
(46:05):
like a dropping coverage or something like. Dude, it was
it was wild. It was like something that you can't
complete on one play.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
You do a strip sack, then you drop back into cover.
I don't know. Listen, I can't remember how bad it was,
but listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yes, yes, yes, So as soon as it happens, man,
I look over at coach. I look over at my
coach and he looked at me and he's like, James,
just please do the drip, I said, coach, I.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Ain't doing this ship. This ain't gonna never happen in
the play. I'm like, I don't even know why you
let the dude. I've had that experience.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
No, no, I feel like I had the experience too
with with not with no. My only my coaches that
play will good coaches. I only had that experience with
non coaches that did drills that didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
But everybody's trying to reinvent the wheel, dude, and like
got to they want to stayed the same.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
The rules may have changed, but like half on the
sack drill and hold up, hold up, hold up. Maybe
a school.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Strip to the school and school okay, listen now was
another one where you go over the bags you punch
down on like you know, you stop somebody from cutting you. Yes,
you punched down on like three four bags and you
ripped through, rushed past sad recovery score if I hit
(47:45):
four people see de bo see the shuffle down and
still get through sack from See where is everybody else
at bo?
Speaker 2 (47:58):
This is that that's just that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
But they're doing some realistic things that could happen in
a play, you know what I'm saying. So that's not
like one play you're gonna do all those things, but
you may do ease separate things.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Why am I shuffling down and you're trying to cut
me on a pass like multiple people because they won't
keep your hands down?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
So where the other what I done? Ran through four
five of them? You know you're right, you should just
do one.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
So you just say you just need to do legitimate
one time, one person there and.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Then move on. There's no reasons it's not down full
cup blocks and a half man.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
And most of the time if you're doing if they're
doing an immediate cup block, it's a punch down. They
trying to get your hands down. That means it's a
quick pass and you out of this. Not I'm not
going down the line boom boom.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, this is just it's just you're just not trying
to do no unrealistic drills. Yeah. So, like I said,
that's why, you know, it could be a combination. I mean,
and looking at.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Just looking at Hillyert's coaching, you know, he has spent
time as a receivers coach.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
So I don't know exactly you know, what it is.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I think the most he spent was like maybe four,
four or five years in Washington, and then you know
it's a year here, two years here, a year here,
and I think before this he might have been out
of it for a couple of years. So I don't
I don't know exactly what it is, but it's one
of them. Somebody gotta go, So hey, listen, for the
(49:38):
betterment of the squad, somebody gotta go.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
We either go all lose our jobs or we're gonna
have to sacrifice one person for.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
The betterment of the collective. Someone gotta go, and it
ain't me, So gotta be somebody.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Right, So what I'm saying, so, I mean, how much
can wide receiver coach be responsible for all the all
the bad come that came through that game? Not a
whole lot, but you know, when you start trying to
it's the same thing when you lose it, and you
got the report's trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Out what's going on? Why are they losing? They're a
good team, why are they losing? And now they see that,
oh so and so.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Has a problem with so and so, or this guy
was late, and you know they started they started looking
for anything. And the crazy thing is nine d nine
point nine percent of the time it was already there.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
They just weren't looking for it.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
They didn't pay attention to it because it's nothing to
look for when you're winning and everything's going good.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Now they are not winning, so they're gonna be able
to pick a point of everything. And I'm saying with
that rookie quarterback too, hopefully now you're looking at the
quarterback coach and he said you gotta develop him, so
hopefully he's getting if he's not getting better, Yeah, the
o c too.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh see, then that wide receiver coach man, he only
he doing with the OC y'all trying to what are y'all?
What are the players? I'm just telling my receivers what
we need to do from while I'm here from y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
So, I mean, we got to see what kind of
Then again, dude, if it's an execution thing, that means
your receivers aren't executing it. So like, why would you
get rid of the coach when you try and get
you some different receivers.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I was got to do better, but you know what
I got. I'm gonna tell you who my defensive player.
I got, my defensive player of the week.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Uh huh? Who you got?
Speaker 3 (51:32):
My defensive player of the week is Hutchinson, the defensive
lineman from.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
I think that's what I get.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I can understand that his effort amazing. He was getting
after Lamar Jackson. It wasn't just sacking him. He was
stopping to run unlimited effort and then to punch out
at the end of the game to force the fumble.
He's just unlimited effort, bro, getting after Lamar ain't getting
after dead Cary. So I'm gonna go ahead and get
(52:02):
after him. He was on the Monday night, all eyes
on him shout out Hutchinson.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna have to go with somebody else.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I'm gonna have to go with somebody that scored more
points on defense than the team they were playing against
did on offense.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
And that is I know who you're going. What's what's
his last name? What's Isaiah's last name? What's his last name? Rogers? Yeah,
I'm going with Rogers.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
My guy took one to the house, scooped another one up,
and took it to the house by himself.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
He was for twelve points, Bro, they could have won
with just that. There would have been ten to twelve.
And look at me, I'm picking the I'm picking the
D lineman and you picking the dB. Listen, man, he
went on ahead. Points on the board. You can't. You
can't need no better than the points on the board.
You can't. You can't. It's nothing. It's nothing out here, dude,
(53:03):
Like you gotta think about it.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Isaiah Rogers became the first player in NFL history to
record a pick six, a fumble return for a touchdown,
and two forced fumbels in a single game.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Come on, dang, and he did all that in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, you want to change yours. Yeah, I mean for
sure he was. He was better. He was the defensive
player on over here. Yeah, the census. Nah, that was
my bad.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That was my bad.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
I got, I got. I got reminded about the I
got reminded about it too late. I should have I
should have picked him. It's good. We we in the census.
We got it going. He deserves it though, that's for sure. Question. No,
he saw the boy. He gave twelve, He scored twelve.
He could have almost he could have beat the.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Package by he could be Cincinnati by theyself to be Cincinnati,
and he could have beat the Packers.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
This is true, young, this is true. He could. I
see what you're saying. I see what the other game.
I got you. You know I got you. You lost
me for a minute there, I thought you. I thought
you see he was kicking in.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
No no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I try to keep I try to keep my head
out of it, trying and keep it low. I try
and keep it low too. But my teeths be having
me think. They be like, man're right, you talk, you
can't pronounce words? Man, you done lost it? You know, no, man,
it's they be catching a little yo yo, catching all
that I had. I had the whole thing up top
(54:36):
at one point and then I had it down the bottom.
It first start off just like on the right side
to open up.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
But you know what I wanted to say to you know,
we got to talk about a little bit before that,
my We got to talk about a little bit of
our college football ship too, because uh man stopped.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
You know, you know, you know what, I got to
always bring up my Gators. I'm gonna talk about the Gators,
and they got to be more careful the Gators. The Gators.
Y'all got a football teammate.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Man.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Right now, we're out there playing like the baby Gators.
But we gotta do better. What what y'all? I don't
know what's going on. I love I love Florida, I
love the Gators, but we gotta get back on track.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
We gotta get back on track. Leg way, what are
we doing our office? Zero explosiveness? Listen, y'all might not
have enough? Uh N I L N L I what's
that we gotta we gotta all, well, we gotta get
a Gator fund and get the N I L bucket right,
and we gotta start figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
We gotta talk to some lums. Oh yeah, and we
have to get it right right here with Joe.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I'm calling yep yet, I know, I know Pouncy, I
know Maje, I know the boys. They was down there
at the game and that was not the display we
was trying to give. So Florida, we're gonna have to
get back on it. But it's always, but always go Gators.
It's always go get.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Where is my Where's where's my where's my dirt? I
gotta I gotta always helm or something around that's not anywhere. Man.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Uh, I'm gonna talk about it always. You put a
gator on you, bro, Gators, I'm gonna talk about my
my school, Oh State State University, Golden Flashes. Yeah yeah,
(56:33):
when the game in the last like twenty something though,
that's I mean, we we ain't got no we ain't
got no funds.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
We ain't got no and I ain't starting no funds.
I'm gonna be one hundred with y'all.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
You know, as soon as the dude get good, you know,
you know, they come they come snatching. You get a
good one, they you know, they come snatching.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
You know what I'm saying. You know you're losing for
a little bit of change, you know. So, I mean,
debo you funny. You ain't donating, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
I donated already, Brokay Jim, they got listen, got.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
To gym trash, seem trash.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
It went to trash. It used to have waits in it.
I think it got bands in there. Now it's hot
boo boo. Okay, Like, hey, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
It's called the James Harrison something something something James can.
I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Take please if y'all ain't gonna put it back to
what it useduld be. Man, it ain't nothing spectacular, but
at least you know what I'm saying, Just go ahead
and just it's it's a bad situation over there. Man,
it's a bad situation like whoever, like they switching coaches,
like like you change your draws.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Man. Oh man, it's bad. It's bad. So I don't.
I don't my bad man. Look, look, both of our
schools not doing the best right now.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yo, they need to go ahead and take the James
hands to strength and condition the center and just please,
like do something.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Pull my name off the thing. Man, it ain't no
it ain't nothing. Just strong in there with you want
me to do Okay, we gotta throw some weights in there.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Devo, I don't I don't understand. And on top of it, hey,
they spelled it wrong on the school website. Bron can't
state you can't stay. You gotta do better for Debo, man,
we got to you gotta do better for everybody. Y'all
know y'all had Jack Lambert there. Jack Lambert can't state, Wow,
(58:47):
you ain't know that digit.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
Jack Laber knew you.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
I knew the Edelman Gates Gates cribs. Yeah, come on,
he played basketball though he didn't want to come out
for the who they don't even he's with the Cats
stay yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
For sure for sure? Like what.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Like, I don't understand it dude. Anyway, man, we were
b out there. We want to thank you guys for
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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