Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Seahawks-Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s DROPS, Steelers Ireland preview

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks defeated Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. Later, Deebo & Joe breakdown Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr.'s issues dropping the football and preview Week 4's games of the NFL season!

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00:00 - Seahawks beat Cardinals
22:50 - Big Ben criticizes the Steelers defense
32:25 - Browns vs Lions
36:00 - Ravens Defense STINKS
46:50 - Joe Haden hits hard
49:40 - Hottest weather NFL games
54:45 - Matthew Stafford a Hall of Famer?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to this episode The Debo and Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here
with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you
guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss. How
you doing today, Joe. Man, I'm doing good, Debo, I'm
doing well.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Man. How you doing? I'm doing real good? Man.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Listen here, man, before we get started. Man, I got
I got, I got something to talk about. Man, this
fine that they they gave what is it, Saint St.
Saint Pierre Brown whatever, Saint Brown? Yeah, okay, it's idiotic.
Y'all need to find y'allself for letting it go out,
if that's the case, if you feel so strongly about it,

(00:45):
because you bleep out everything else. You bleep out shit,
damn bullshit of fuck, motherfucker, all this stuff you bleep,
you bleep all that out. But this right here, you're
finding him for. You ought to find yourself for not
having some type of delay, if y'all feel that's strongly

(01:08):
about what he said, because he said I run this ship.
I heard you bleep out shit. I done heard people
say I run this shit, So it got to be
the nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, I hate this is the This is the one
part when I'm saying, like a lot of this stuff
is getting caught live where when the refs are announcing
the call, Like when my man Jackson Smith said this
is some bullshit to the ref and he was about
to throw them hit him aside. You know what I'm saying,
like that shit was crazy. He was looking at the
ref reff was looking like him like man, like I
could literally throw a fifteen yard flag at you right now.

(01:40):
So I understand what you're saying. So sometimes things on
live can get caught. So it's like you're understanding is
it because he said the nigga word?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Is that why he gotta be?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Because people when you say the delay, certain things are
gonna get caught because those airbares forty two thousand, bro
forty two thousand dollars understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
So what I'm trying to forget that.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hey, where the NFLPA at man, Where them bom ass niggas?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Where they at? Like like where in your contract? Where
in the collective Barton agreement?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
And say you get fined for saying nigga forty two thousand?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
There's no there's nothing there's nothing. And then at the
same time, people when you're on the field, these are
this is what people we were on the field. If
there was people getting find for everything that was sett
on the field, that's not okay. Like people are out there,
they're getting cussed out the ref dock, just cussed out
by Jackson Smith. Like on the field, there's some bullshit
like are they not going to find him forty three

(02:32):
thousand dollars for it?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So it's like, don't be begging the now.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
If you find him forty three thousands for that, man,
you got to find everybody else for every customord that
come out there as normal conversation through the whole process.
And I think then they got so sensitive with this
word nigga. Like he's not saying in a like derogatory
type a.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Nigga cooon not hard not hard? Are yes? Not not hard? R?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, he wouldn't say that anyway, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
He's saying that, and just he's just talking shit, no question,
talking shit. So if you go back and they go
they caught the bullshit, right, So if they catch that
bullshit and they gonna find him for that, now, these
dudes they can't even talk no more.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
You can't even say nothing.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's the heat of the moment. It's the battle. When
dudes is playing like dude, dudes get riled up. You
know what I'm saying. At the end of the game,
you'll wap it up with dudes whatever, But you say
some things that are definitely out of characteristic. Dudes are
out there blacking out like legitimately because you're playing hard
and emotions get high.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So you say some stuff and it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But at the end of the day, if you're just
literally walking and stepping there trying to find people, no questions, say, no.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Question, Look here, look here, look here, man. This is
what needs to happen. Saint Brown needs to call the NFLPA,
the leadership of the nfl p A, and be like, Yo,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Do something? Help me?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Come on, come on, do something. Got to what the
executive what you got partial? Whatever it is. Listen, That's
why I gotta run for NFLPA. That's why I gotta
be the guy there. You ain't gonna have nobody there
that's gonna fight for you like me. Yeah, I know
what you go through. I done play the game at

(04:18):
every level. I've been a practice squad player. I've been
a dude making minimum. I've been a dude making a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
What do you talk?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I've been fine for all kinds of bullshit. Need somebody
there that's gonna fight for you. Go talk to an
NFL PA, see what they gonna do. I ain't heard
people word out of them since this happened. They should
have been going going hard for him immediately where they at. Listen,
I'm James Harrison, and I approved this message. James Harrison,

(04:44):
nfl PA Executive Director. Let's go, let's get a d BO.
I feel that's that. I understand where you're coming from.
When you're saying about if you're gonna start finding dudes
for whatevery word that they say while they're on the field,
that is something that you're gonna open up whole different
bag of worms. If it's because he's saying the N word,
the NINGA word, that's something you're uncomfortable with NFL You like,

(05:07):
that's that's not in the rule book.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
You know what I'm saying. So it's just it opens
up a whole different bag of worms.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I don't think they want to get involved in because
you caught my man, Jackson Smith.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
If that's the case, cussing out the raft and that's
just what you do, what you go through.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
But you, hey, listen, man, you you you walk in
a thin line right there if you go and find
him for that.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So you're saying you could cuss, you just can't cuss.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Wow when they go here. If that's what they do,
I don't know. So if that's the case, what you.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Need to do. If you're gonna cuss, don't get caught.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, that's your damn self too for having the having
the mic live and everything else. Y'all need to get
a good thirty second delay so you could bleep that
out so that way you.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Don't get fined. They don't get fined.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Whatever you find them, you need to find yourself ten
twenty times as much for letting me get.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Out there bombs.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, No, for sure as niggas.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, it's them live soundbo gonna catch it time. It
made me come about it. Man. See listen, May I'll
be trying. May, I'll be trying.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Bro. Listen, man, let's get to this now, this Yato
Cardinals game. Bro, I did not see this thing going
and ended up where it was that twenty to twenty three? Dude,
Like the first quarter, I'm thinking it's go something go happen.
It's gonna go wild like, but not really, you know.

(06:29):
I think the biggest thing that happened was, uh, the
fourth down that Seattle went for. They didn't they didn't
convert it. When they didn't convert that, they gave Arizona
a short field and hell I think the second play, dude,
Arizona had an interception. Yeah, they had an interception. They
had a pick, they got lucky, it got back, They

(06:49):
got it back, and then they were able to I
think they hit a run for maybe like ten fifteen.
They got a face mask at the fast another fifteen.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
The the first pick that they got was when they
went to throw the dick, the Marvin Harrison junior. Yeah,
he quit on the route. That was the one thing
I didn't like. You gotta keep you kind of you
gotta keep.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I wouldn't say he quit on us. I would say
he didn't think that it was going to go to
him go down. If he had from the way you
through it, even if he had dug through that, I
don't think he would have.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
He would have still caught it. No, I don't think
he would have called it. But at least you could
have played deep. We could have played dB. We could
at least broke it up.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Your quarterback was believing it so that that was one
and then they ended up getting that back.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Though, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, but then like I said, they moved, got a
little run, a penalty advanced, and then false start basically
made him have to settle for the field goal. So
but Seattle comes right out. I think it was six
seven plays. Yeah, at the pass of like twelve, the
touchdown was sixteen, like ten, another one for twenty one day,

(08:00):
seven to three. Now it's you know, I'm thinking it's
about to be a about to roll him or something.
And then the first possession they get back Arizona, they
he gets sacked like twos, No, he gets sacked once.
I think it was second down there. It was a
scramble on the third and they end up having to punt.

(08:21):
I don't know right now, don't know. I'm thinking then
like it's more of a I don't know, it's maybe
it might end up being a possessional thing, you know.
First quarter Pete people don't sometimes don't play up to
the potential that they could, you know, be.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Playing to.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And then Hervin goes and he was just out of character.
I guess he dropped the pass. They tip interception, Seattle
gets the ball. You know they're driving, and the nang
on running back he stars him out. You're going, you're
going throw the ball at him. You got to talk

(08:56):
to him without a flag. You got to point the
ball at him without a flag. And then you said,
the hell would it? Let me throw it? And now
the team you know you kill the drag.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yes, yes, so wound something fifty wounds on the Seahawks
part on that part, just a little discipline like the holding.
We had a holding a little bit later, and then
on that play, you know what I'm saying. So I
think they definitely a lot of the stuff that happened
to them was more they can be in control of it.
It's just emotions, like you can't you on a holding

(09:26):
And then on that plate, like you said, he got
away with the first thing talking put the ball up
to his face, and then he still threw the.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Ball at him like Walker, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
The triple crown drawer. You definitely right, you ain't know
when to stop. You ain't good enough. It was good enough, Arizona.
Do nothing with the balls. You got them, come back out.
They hit like a thirty two, you know, twenty four.
I think dude scrambled for about fifteen twenty and then
you know the PI.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
That put him right there.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Score again it's thirteen, you know, it's fourteen the three three, yeah,
and you know basically at the end of the half,
Kyler is almost picked on the first one, and then
he sacked and pressured and you know the half hands,
you know, so you go out there and I think
Darnold went like he didn't have a bunch of yards

(10:17):
like maybe eight of eleven something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
For one hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Kyler he had two picks fourteen to twenty three. I
don't even think it was one hundred yards, like eighty
eighty five yards something like that, and Aris only only
had like one hundred and seven.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yards, bro Like in the first half.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
In the first half, that's not what you want to
you know, not what you want to start.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Dude, No, no, not at all.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
And then we legitimately with those first two we had
two picks, two turnovers in the first half. They ended
up getting one back and then they got three points
off of with a field goal.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
But that's not that's not going to be. That's not
what you need on your offense for Shul, no question.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
But then a z they come out beginning the third.
The boys get a sacked, but they let they let
see how to recovery and they ended up getting three
up out of that. So we at what thirteen, you know, three.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
To seventeen three. Dude, again, Kyler was under pressure all night, dude,
Like he got sacked six times. Yes, dude.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
The next possession, dude, he's pressured.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
They get a holding call, like then they got a
pun again.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Like it's but the defense did finally show up though
they did like they did three and out.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think a couple of possessions later or something like that.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Third quarter defense was good, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
That that's yeah, they did a three and out. I
think Arizona was driving the ball, but I think they
got sacked twice. Yeah, they got sacked twice and ended
up having to settle for a field goal that got
behind the change.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So you know, all that go.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I think that was because basically they had the Jackson
Smith for Jake, but they had to run. They got
it all the way down there, and then he did
the holding. He got called for holding. He almost got
the double flag because that's when he pulled out to
the ref They caught him walking by him on live TV.
That's a board and the referee looked at him like
he wanted, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I don't think that was a hole.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's one of them situations where you get hit and
you get ran over and you just goes up, you
know what I mean. I don't know if he really
pulled he me in like they was trying to say
he did for sure.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
But that's that's another just that's another play that happened.
That's another that's that was the flag there, It was
on him, and that was another player that kind of
stalled another one of their drives. I think Seahawks, like
I said, they could have beat them by they could.
I think they could have beat the Cardinals by a
lot more. It was more close than it looked, and
especially the Seahawks. The Cardinals played a great fourth quarter.
You know you're about to get into that, but at the.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Beginning of the game.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
It looked like the Seahawks should have definitely been beaten
him by a lot more than they were.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
They should have, I mean they didn't. They didn't, like
I said, you had penalties that slowed him down. Even
after it was sixteen to seven.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know, Seattle come out and they go fourteen plays
and they only get a field goal because they waned
two penalties.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
One was a hole.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, it was a false start. So they end up
settling for another, you know, another field goal. It was
three field goals there that you know, it could have
could have turned into you know, seven points right there. Yeah,
and you know, from that point, you know, Kyler Murray
kind of does what he needs to do and and
and takes it sort of into his hands and he just,
you know, he's like, you know what, I'm just scrambling

(13:27):
up out of here. I think he hit for almost
thirty and then they had that huge, huge Piacoh yeah,
that put him at the nine.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
And then turn again, he gets sacked.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
He gets sacked again, and I'm thinking, oh, they about
to be stuck. Arvin finally comes through sixteen yards when
he caught that ball, I thought I thought he was
about to cry or something.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
He stayed down there because he's been dropping the ball
a lot, you know, like it hasn't been going the
way he wanted. It's been previous games even dropping the ball,
so you know, he he he knows he's good, he
knows he's not plan to his ability. And then them
two plays before, like him dropping the one and it's
coming off of his fingertips and turning into a turnover.
You know what I'm saying, Like he sees stuff, he

(14:08):
feels very emotional. I can tell he cares. He wants
to be great. So just being able to get in
the end zone, you know what I'm saying, try trying
to fight back, doing a really good job in the
fourth quarter, coming up with some third down conversions and
catching that pass. I know it was emotional, you know
what I'm saying, just because like sure I've been fighting,
told my fucking line.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Listen, listen when I get lots bro after Seattle missed
that field goal, you know me, you know, you know,
you know, you know, you know, I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Man, I think that they gave Arizona shot now, and hey,
hey what is he do?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
They came back out there fourth down, they converted that thing.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Brow I'm like.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh my goodness, they might lose this game. And the
kicker doesn't get the ball into the drop song bro
put him after forty five.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Donald completes like.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
A twenty twenty five yarder and then they do a
little run and they the field goal.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
The kicker had to.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Come back out and relieve yourself.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's why I'm gonna respect Donald. He went out there,
he made to play the kicker. You gotta get it
into the drop zone. Right now, we're protecting the field goal.
Kickers are kicking the ball Debo from way deeper. We
had to protect the thirty five yard line. Now you
gotta protect damn near to fifty. So kick the ball deep.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
And get the ball like make a tackle within.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
The twenty within the twenty five, knowing you gotta stop
at least two first downs.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
You gotta stop twenty five yards.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
The one thing I do respect from the defense was
they didn't play bail and they didn't just back up
and see to it.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
That was man and the man.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
That was a great throw and catch that they had
to perform. It was tight coverage and they back showed
it to get the Jackson Smith and jig but and
Donald made that play. It wasn't just like no just
nobody on them. So I respect him for that. But
that's why I feel like Donald and got credit for that.
But at the end of the day, punt the ball deep,
so I mean, kick the ball off deep, don't get
him all the way starting at the forty So they

(16:09):
need them their ten yards to be within these new
field these new kickers field goal range. So I think
they did make a great play, you know what I'm saying.
They had to do that. They didn't just play that
backup defense. That man through a great backshow to fade
Smith and Jake but got his feet and it was beautiful.
But I think they need to do better coverage and
then right there, I mean it, it was a great

(16:29):
play on the offense.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, they need more, They need more, Marvin Harrison Kyler
said after the game. He said he loved the way
that he fall back and continued to play hard and
continue to make plays. Obviously, he's probably going to go
to he's probably going to go home thinking about that shit.

(16:53):
But at the end of the day, again, it's football.
We all make mistakes. But he continued to battle. You know,
I think that's a good job of Kyler, you know,
being the leader and you know, instilling you know, some
confidence into you know, his his young player, and letting
him know, you know, this is not the end all.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Anything could be turned around.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Just like you said, dude had bad three three quarters
and in the fourth quarter. You know, he was a
big part of why they were able to turn it around. Yeah,
that was what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think that's a real great job of Coller just
giving his receiver that motivation and lettingm know he's still
there with him and being able to fight through the
first couple of quarters. I know you didn't mean to
drop the ball. It's not your I know you want
to do good. See he gets an end zone how
emotionally is with it. So I think it's a really
good it's quarterback supporting them and uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Just continue to you got it. Just he knows you
know what I'm saying. So like you know, people like man,
you got to catch the ball like this.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Obviously, I know Marves Harrison, Marvin Harrison Juir knows this
more than we do. He's gonna be out there trying
to He's trying that he's going to have to do better.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's God have to get it done.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, Arizona needs to do better. I mean, the offensive
line has to do better. Yeah, too many pressures, too
many Sackskyler needs.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
To be able to throw the ball downfield.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
You know, I think he had I don't know, maybe
it was seven or eight passes that were actually behind
the line of scrimmage. And Marvin obviously has to get
out of the front. He has to go in there
and play better. In their defense, they need to be
more consistent. They gave up way too many exposed plays.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, so Jigga was eating on the outside. Walker was
breaking through a lot of those a lot of those runs.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, Donald was converted.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Donald was doing a good job too, just using his legs,
hitting Jackson Smith.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
When he needed to.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
So, I mean they I was honestly looking at the
Seahawks like they were doing a they were playing a
really good game.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's a really good game. Donald did pretty good.
You know what I'm saying Over there, He wasn't teaing
them all over right right. Eighteen to twenty six, two
hundred forty yards touchdown. You know, I think I think
he's starting to earn a little bit of that. You know,
three year, one hundred million dollar contract that Seattle gave me.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Come on, man, that's and that's that's right around there.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
You know that thirty three a year when you got
dudes making sixty fifty five, that's just bom stay with stated,
keeping it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
And when you say thirty three is keeping it afloat.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's that dumb. So he's chilling, no question he doing.
He's doing with his pay. He's doing what his pay
says he should be able to boom right, did you
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And I love it, and just making sure that maintaining
the ship. You don't got to do too much one touchdown,
zero turns.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Hey, the defense is doing, The defense is doing well.
I didn't think they were as good as they were
because you know, when they played against the Stellers, I
was just I think that.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Was just hate. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
No for sure, Yeah for sure, sure for sure. So
I didn't I see it now for sure, but I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I couldn't see it then, Yeah, no, because you know,
you had your goggles on, you had your Steeler goggles on.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Just basically like we're better than them.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I don't know how they're going to come in here
and beat us just looking from the outside. That so
now you're looking from the outside when they're playing a
different team, you're looking like.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Okay, oh, I could actually see how they can get
some things done for show for show.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Speaking of Steelers, man, my boy, my guy, big men,
I guess he had a little bit of criticism for
the Vanilla Steelers defense ahead of the.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Ireland Vikings game.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
He said, to me, without studying our defense, it seems
like we're preally vanilla defense as it is. It doesn't
feel like to me, we're getting a lot of unique pressures,
unique defenses, he said. Even no, I think even coach
Tomlin said today in his press conference, he said something

(20:55):
along the lines of situational circumstances are preventing them from
doing things, and I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
That means exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
He added that it is he isn't sure what's preventing
Pittsburgh from trying new things, but he's sure hope for
things to change in the scheme. He suggested blitzing cornerback
Jalen Ramsey and unique and utilizing linebackers in different ways.
So when I came back in was it twenty fourteen? Yeah,

(21:30):
twenty fourteen. I was with the Bangles in thirteen. Yeah,
I'm retired. He came back. They got me to come back.
When I came back, dig Globoge was still a decordinator.
But they had changed that defense. Okay, And when he
says it's vanilla, that is a true statement.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
They changed the defense to make it easier to learn
and understand so that players could play sooner.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So with the true dick Lebo fire zone, there is
a real life learning curve like you could be in
the defense that has you blit, seeing free, no responsibility.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And they motion and now you're locked up man on.
You know number three.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
But that's like a single nuance that you have to know.
And every defense has one weakness. When you go and
you try and change things to make it easier for
player A or B to play, you create other weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And gaps in the defense. No, No, for sure.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think what they're running into with guys being out
of place, people not being covered is they're changing things
so much to try and make it simpler, but they're
adding more gaps and holes to the defense and the process.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, do you remember the defense because I could speak
on that when I came in there in twenty seventeen,
you were there too, and the way that the fire
zones were and just the communication wise I've been in.
It was good for me because i've been in being
able to be it was different.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
It was simple.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
It was vanilla like you said, but it was easy
because everybody you could be able to understand some stuff
like you had to communication. You had to be able
in communication with the linebackers because the defensive backs, the
safeties and the linebackers. If there's motions there's going that
has to be communications. People have to start covering people.
You could turn from a like you said, a blitzer
with no responsibilities to Garden three to Garden two, you

(23:36):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
So having that communication is big.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
And when coach Tomlin is saying that we're calling vanilla things,
they're just simplifying like just basically like cover twos and
just not like everybody's standing in the simplify spots. But
that's making other positions be able to it's errors, you
know what I'm saying. It's making room for error. There's
too much gray, like you're saying, there shouldn't be gray.
You should be able to do this player. A can
do this player, we can do this. But if you

(24:01):
start saying no, this dude is in this position, we're
going to start trying to move it and make this
make these changes, it makes too much gray. I just
like when you, like you said, this is what it is,
this is what it is, and you got to be
able to communicate that and stand on it instead of
being able to no, they can't make this play. We're
going to start moving and shifting things around. I don't

(24:22):
it creates confusion.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, Well what it does is especially for when I
got back, even go to last year the playoff game
with was it Baltimore? Last year?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Was that?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Last year with Baltimore? The playoff game we had was
that Stillers playoffs? No year before.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
The Stellers the last time in the playoffs borldy.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Didn't they played the Ravens or something? Didn't they know?
They played the Browns? Are you sure? Or was it
the last game of the No, because Lamar was playing
so much have been being the last game of the season.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't know if it was the playoff game because
we normally played its January.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
They got beat by the Ravens in the wild card game.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Okay, I'm watching that game and I'm trying to figure
out what's going on. And the outside linebackers that's playing
on the end, they're crashing down in the triple option
to get to the fullback where normally you play and
you play, you play quarterback to pitch. What they had
us do when we did it is we actually just
ran down and smashed the quarterback. It's what the coach

(25:30):
the Bowl changed it too. When I saw the linebackers,
the outside linebackers smashing down to try and get to
the dive, I knew he was in trouble dead changed
it to something that I didn't even recognize. Like I
even tweeted out, like why are our outside linebackers crashing
down on the dive? Like now you've got Lamar out
here free, and you got a safety coming down full
speed and you think he ain't gonna be able to

(25:51):
get loose or pitch it off or whatever it may be.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So that's like one of.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Those things that I saw even from when I after
I was gone, that had changed, you know, And like
I said, when I came back, I'm sitting there, I'm like, Yo,
what's going on. They're like, yeah, we had to we
had to simplify. We called it dumb it down. They
said they have to simplify it to make it easier
for you know, guys that they wanted to play now
to be able to play where before the learning curve

(26:17):
was at least a year, if not two, before you
can understand the whole concept of you know, particular Bote defense.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
No, I get that, but I would respect it. I
like the way that you said it back. If you
have the same coach that's there for a long time,
that's creating a system that the player is going to
have to eventually just going to take you a little
learning curve to learn it. But once you get it,
it's what the defense is. There's not going to be
any great there's no mistakes there. I think that you
got to take that time to get that learning curve in.

(26:46):
But I know, just coaches like this, Now, this young dude,
he's good. We're gonna need to get him out on
the field no matter if he knows how to really
handle this read option the correct way. We just going
to make take quarterback every time. And then somebody else
is like, right, you try and simplify it.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Um damn that. Yes, in that.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Process, you mess up everything else that comes off of that.
So now you got to adjust this, and you got
to adjust that. So now the safety that's supposed to be,
you know, doing something else. Now he got to come
down and take.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Care of that.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So now you're really you're trying to fix one thing here,
one thing there, but you're really adjusting sometimes the whole
defense from it, or at least half of it.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think that that should go back to at the
end of the day too.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
With that, like they would have to just do a
better job of training camp installs, you know what I'm saying,
making sure these things are getting drilled and making sure
these things are getting worked on, like just the simple,
the simple things. You know what I'm saying, if you
have dive, if you don't have dive, Like these are
the core values of the defenses. This is what we
have to do, you know what I'm saying, Like the
two motion and dudes around, like figuring out that stuff
so that all starts I think in training camp too.

(27:48):
But making sure like now just the time that they're
using like no, we're going to make it easier just
being able.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
To get out there. I don't I don't like I
don't like that particular way to do it. Yeah, still
as in Ireland, Bay, So who they got with that?
Who they got Niland Vikings? He's talking about the Vikings.
We're gonna go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Beat them down over there. You know how it go, man,
That's just that's just what we do anyway. It still
is a beat writer.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
They hinted at a renegade surprise in Ireland.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I don't I don't know who's in control of this
renegade surprise. But don't surprise me again like y'all did
against Seattle, and play it by Seattle about to kick
the ball off so they could be hype as hell.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Please our kickoff team, yes, our kickoff team.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
No no, no, no, no, it was Seattle's kickoff I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But we need to play it doing. I need to
play it on the third.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
On defense right before it come.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Up, or a fourth something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
You don't want the crowd streaming and hollering when the
offense is on the field. You don't want the kickoff
team getting hype while they're about to kick the ball
off to us. And they all they doing is running
down there with their hair on fire, one hundred miles
an hour, trying to knock somebody's head off.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yep, yep, you gotta know the vibes. You gotta know
the time to play it. Please during an hour kickoff.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
No question, yep.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Hey, let's get over here to your Browns, though, let's go.
Let's go, Dan Campbell, baby. He said, the Browns have
the best defense they have faced to date. Cambell said
the defense that Detroit's offense hasn't faced a defense as
good as Cleveland. Yet you see what they did to

(29:44):
Green Bay. This defense is real. This is probably the
best defense. Well we face Todate. What do you what
do you think of that statement? This is what I'm saying.
This is a smart coach, d ampble. He knows the
Browns are no bulletin board material here.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
He's trying to rub the ego. You know what I'm saying.
He knows that stroke it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Stroke the ego.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Tell me how good I am? Tell me how good
I am? So now the Browns defense goes in there
trying to chill. No, I love it, though. Dan Campbell's
a great coach. He's speaking facts. The Browns defense is
playing amazing, and I want them to continue to play
with their head on fire, knowing that they're coming in
against now Jabriel Gibbs and Montgomery. You know what I'm saying,
with those two headed monsters that can really tolt the ball.

(30:30):
So I mean, I respect everything that Dan Campbell saying.
He's speaking facts, but at the same time, he's speaking
to his team knowing what they have on that side
of the ball, what they have with their running game,
and what they're trying to bring to the game. So
I think it's going to be a big time, a
really good game with the Browns defense coming in there,
with playing at such a high level, everybody making plays
in all the different levels. But Dan Campbell is basically

(30:53):
speaking like, you know, I know they're good. I know
they're good, but talking to his team, he's ready to
come out there and like try to establish their dominance
because they're both physical teams.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Like that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's gonna be line versus line, D line versus the line,
different D line versus offensive line. Both of them are
gonna be trying to establish their dominance. So I think
it's gonna be just a really good game to watch.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Oh yeah, no question, like, we do the same thing.
You go ahead and coach y'all. Coach Kyle will tell
us like, yeah, you never give them bulletin board material.
You be respectful, You stroke that ego, You give them
all the all the comments that all the compliments that
you can, and what we go do is go out

(31:35):
here and prepare to try and destroy them.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
He is.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, he's a he's a coach that was a player.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
He knows how it goes. Sure, you know what I'm saying,
We're gon we're gonna respect them. You know what I'm saying,
everybody respect because that's what they deserve.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
They're NFL team that coming out there. But they boots
on them. They're going to do this regardless if they improvise,
say anything like Browns like, We're gonna come out there
and run over them. Now I'm giving them some reason
to extra fire. No, let me tell them how good
they are. Just come in here thinking it's sweet and
then we're gonna bust your ash real quick and then
go about our business to the next one.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
And I think that's what kind of happened with you know,
Green Bay. They went in there thinking, oh, it's Cleveland
and we go, you know, we go go in here
and do what it is what we do and not
thinking they really about to be in for a fight,
and they ended up losing the game because they didn't
realize how capable the defense was.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
You remember your man was talking about, Oh, they was
going undefeated before they played the Browns the whole season.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
They ain't just disrespect us. He wouldn't suspected the whole league.
Whole league. You got, you got, you got.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
You gotta fight for your life for the next fourteen weeks. Brother,
something you said in week two, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
And then the first we got to you said that
they don't smacked up on you.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Back out now, co Yeah, twelve more of them, Like
what are you talking about? Man? That's just out of control. Man.
You gotta watch your mouth sometimes, man, no question.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Speaking of defense man, Kyle Helmington defended Baltimore Ravens coordinator
or today saying the sky is not falling.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
They're only three games into the season.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Helvina said it's unfair to put all the blame on
him when they're eleven. When they are eleven guys out
there on the field and they're playing their hearts out,
and he puts us in the right positions. It's it's
just a matter of us doing the right stuff. The ravens.
What do you think he's saying. He's saying what we

(33:37):
were saying before. He's saying what.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
We're saying, man, player. The thing I love about Kyle trash.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like trash, you're playing bad and iron the sky don
lot your man is catching the ball. And I think
Kyle Hemelton is saying, how you gonna call on the
coach when we're getting beat.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
We're not in the right spot. Somebody's running against them.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Every every play that that show shows us on the tape,
somebody's not in position.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
So there's nothing that coach could do about that.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
But to be on the field, Like, if somebody knocks
me out of my gap, what the hell coach gonna call?
That's gonna make me better to be in my gap,
you know what I'm saying. So I think Kyle is
taking the player the responsibility of Like, end of the day,
we're out there, we're not communicating right. If we were
on the right page, and if we were looking at
the place and everybody was in the position and somehow
we were gonna beat then that's a whole different situation.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
But they just putting us in.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
A position to in the defense, then yeah, go ahead,
throw that on the coordinator. But you're talking about guys
being there just not making the play, or guys totally
blowing an assignment and not being supposed to be that's
like you said, that's that's the that's the that's the
eleven guys out there.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
That's eleven guys out there that has nothing to do.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I mean, Baltimore is currently thirty second in totally yards,
thirty different run defense, thirty first in past defense, and
thirty first in points allowed.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Like they're dead last.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Like I don't I don't know what else you could say,
Like that's and when you, like I said, when you
watch the games, it's not.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
That they're you know, they're just getting you.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Know, out of position, that they're hitting weaknesses in the defense.
It's nothing like that they're getting beat pushed around, missing tackles,
missing assignments. Like at some point you got to go
out there and do your job. Hamilton also added he said,
I feel like sometimes Ravens can be a little spoiled,
just like the amount of success this franchise has had.

(35:39):
We lost five games in twenty twenty four in the
world is about to again.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You think Ravens fans are.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I guess spoiled by the success I mean for the
last since since Lamar Jackson has been there, they've won
a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I mean going like their playoff success hasn't been great.
We're to the point now when we know the Raves
are gonna be good. How far they're gonna get in
the playoffs? Can they beat the Chiefs? Can they beat
the Bills? They're always been in AFC since Lamar Jackson's
been there, so I can see what I'm saying getting comfortable.
But at the end of the day, the players got
to walk into the stadium and win the games.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
So like, if.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
You're not performing to a high level and you're giving
up you have the thirty first ranked depense in a
lot of categories, that's not on the fans, you know
what I'm saying. They have a reason to be like
this is like if you were like fifteenth or tenth
or something like that, and they're like, man, come on, man,
we were number one, bro last like they got they
got calls to pause and be like, you got to
make some tackles.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
You gotta be like spoiled.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Nah No, listen, man, y'all did last, if not second
to last, in every category that you got defensively right now.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So it's not about being being spoiled.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's about y'all playing like absolute trash playing they're upset, dude.
I remember, like you said, I remember when we was
in you know, when I was with theer is from
two thousand and seven when I started until twenty twelve.
We want one one, five to one one. That was
our defensive ranking.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
When we were five, we were like, bruh, we're trash.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
We like bro. We asked like what are we doing
out here? Man?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And that was you know, that was a five. It's
not a situation like that and crazy. It's like some
of the fans were saying the same thing, but we
was a five.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Ranked defense Like that was that that? Right there?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Is that right there is when they could be a
little what do he say? What was he saying that
the fans a little spoiled boiled? Yeah, that's when a
little spoiled if you go for one, one, two, five, Man,
what y'all doing out here?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Spoil if you go we are one one thirty one,
you can ask src. We was like, bro, what's going
like we trash? What's going on? Bro?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Like and we really thought we was trash, Like like
we five, like we like what's going on?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Like that's you know what I'm saying? Yeah, No, that's
the standard though. That y'all gotta say that's lit.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Oh man, man, no question, that's like Brian that success
that like just you know, even when I came in,
that was just what it was like my ogs, you know,
Jason Giller and Jeordy Porter like like, this is what
it is, this is the standard, like and they went
out there, did it, showed it worked it from off

(38:24):
the field to on the field, and everything that they
did was in pursuit of a championship. Dude, Like, do
you since that Baltimore's championship window might be starting to
close here?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I don't think that it's starting to close.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I think that Do you think the fans may think
it's starting to close?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Then I think the fans may start. I think the
fans may start. I think the fans are just worried
about right now. They still got Lamar. As long as
you got Lamar, they got a chance. But I think
that the defense ain't happening. Dude, they got Lamar, and
look what's happening.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I mean, they can't they can't get over how bad
the defense is.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
The defense, like I said with Kyle haml and I
think I know he's a baller, and I know that
they have players.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's not the players.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
The players have to play better, and if they don't
start playing better, it's going to continue to show. And
I don't think it's nothing that the defensive coordinator can do.
So I think that these dudes got to start physically
individuals each one eleven, start playing better, looking at the tape.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Making sure that they make these plays.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So, I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going to
root them out.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
But at the same time, I mean I'm not it's
not looking good.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Listen, an you're going to root them out, waste the
talents of Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
It's not like every year is going to be the same.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
He's going to start to decline at some point, and
you need to be able to take advantage of that.
You know, you're not going to have those same fifty
three guys on the roster each year, and when you
lose one guy at this position or that position that
was a key, you know, role player.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
That can be the difference between you getting.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
In the playoffs, not getting the plows, winning the super Bowl,
not winning the Super Bowl. I think it's a little
bit of a window starting to close, especially if they
cannot fix that defense, because it's almost like it doesn't
matter what he does. If they don't score every possession,

(40:20):
they're not going to be able to win because the
defense is dead last and everything and can't stop nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Like now, you're right, the defense don't the defense doesn't improve,
they're going to they don't. They don't stand a chance thousand.
I'm saying, can they do you think they can improve?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Is the question? Do you think they will improve? Is
the question? Do you ask? That's the that's the that's
the hard thing. I think.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I don't know who they get to play next. I
think they need a game that is like one of
those easier games like yo, we gotta fight a little
but and then like go out there and have tremendous success.
I think it'll give them some confidence. But you're just

(41:15):
like the mising tackles thing is hard. That's something. I mean,
I know it's early. I hope they don't fix it
at least before they play the Steelers twice. Like that's it. Like,
I'll tell you what. They played the Chiefs this week, right,

(41:36):
I think they played the Chiefs this week in Kansas City.
All right, So this is what I'm gonna do, or
this is what I'm gonna say. Dude, there's no way
they shouldn't be Kansas City. But if they lose that,
they ain't gonna get it fixed this year. If they
win that, it got a possibility of getting fixed this year. Joe,

(42:05):
where are you at?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Joe? You're hitting you yo yo yo, you're hitting you bro.
Oh no, Somebody looking like what is he? My bad?
I said? I wanted I know I.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Was okay, bad, No more, no more, mute.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I was trying to say.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I'm trying to figure out how the game is played out.
Though you said they played the Chiefs. I heard you clearly, though, Debo,
me and you we and we did.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
We never lost. I want to see how the game
plays out.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
I want to see how what the defense looks like,
what they can do against Patrick Mahomes the day if
they can create some sacks, if they can get some turnovers,
if they can just be in their gash, if they
just don't have people running around like Scott Free.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know what I'm saying, Like just play trying.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
To get on to have a good game as a
defensive team. No, no bust, just looking fluid, looking like
that're running some stuff. So I mean offensive wise, like
we said. But that's the thing too with the Ravens
playing against is Patrick Mahomes and it's the Bills For
Lamar Jackson, I think during the regular season, it's he's
gonna ball out regardless, I think it's I think he's
gonna hoop because that's just what he does.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I just want to see when the game gets close.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Is it tight at the end the fourth quarter, Who's
gonna make those plays? Whose defense going to make those stops?
Because I don't think it's going to be a blowout,
you know what I'm saying. I think that these two
teams that are really really capable once you get to
the fourth that's what's going to determine what happens in
the game.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Hey got a question. Yes, remember dude name Orlando Brown Junior. Yes,
I do, Well, he said, it's welcome to the NFL
moment came from you. Let's take a listen, bro, And.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I see him dip blow and he lit my big
ass up.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

Speaker 5 (43:48):
People never expect to hear this, but I got TJ.
Watt one on one all game play. My ass off
was out there snapping. But early in that game, like
the first series, pulled around the toss crack and I.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
See Joe Hayden as me and him.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
I'm just kicking out the corner and I see him
diplow and he lit my big ass up. Man, I
was I was seeing stars tingly on the right side
and it was right in front of Mike Tomlin. I'll
never forget because I'm looking at I'm pulling. I'm like, man,
it's a five fult What the hell this dude?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah, And that that was like for me, that was
like a wake up call, like all right, man, it's different.
Yeah yeah yeah, I don't know if I've been caught
slipping like that.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yes, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah you heard it. You heard it.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Live place, de bro cool man, Well hey it got
you one, Bro, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Trying to tell you that's the one thing I remember.
I definitely remember that bro.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I lifted his ass up so good right in front
of coach t same for the same shoulder.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I need, hey, hey, on the way in though, What
was you thinking I'm about I'm thinking he thinks I'm slipping.
He thinks he's gonna fold me. I got something for
his ass, That's what I'm thinking. Him in front of
the bench.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I'm like this, you don't get same foot, same shoulder.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
All that.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He was hoping you wasn't gonna come in there with that.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
He was probably looking to go ahead, swallow you up,
just grab like that, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And yes cool. Who but a whoa yep yep, yep,
yep yep.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Paus pauls admirable, admirable pass, no question, but debo. I'm
trying to tell you this, the one thing that you
always said that the coach will say this too, Like
everybody got something dirty to their job.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Everybody got some dirty And if.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
You got the if you the n man, you got
anough in in this crack for place, you gotta replace.
If there's a pulling edge, you gotta come set that edge,
and I wonder if I respect it. I love being
the cover corner, but at the same time, I'm not
afraid to come hit.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Like that's what football is. Eversus was a kid.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
We're trying to like I'm trying to, yeah, catch somebody
slipping or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
So now I'm like, all.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Right, bet these are big dudes whatever they come around
the corner.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But it's no, I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I don't have to do it every single play because
I'm a corner, but when I do have to get
my hat dirty, I'm gonna come in this joint and
get my hat dirty. And that's why I love people
on my team. They respect it because I love tackling.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know what I'm saying. I never I never never
duck contact. Oh no question. You gotta come in there.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
You gotta come in there one of them times, at
least early, and you got to get what they looking
for or what they ain't looking for. They thinking you're
gonna come in there and do a do a shake.
You coming there and raise ony. Now that next one,
don't come in there like that. He gonna dievent you
de bo.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
No, deep I don't want I want no more parts
of Orlando now.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
He would have came and smacked me, but I had
to get my one off on him for sure. Oh man,
I want no part of the Orlando now. Brother, No, no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Gave him at one early the Eagles, Man, they going on,
They going down to Tampa. Begger Mayfield said. Traveling early
won't help the Eagles with the heat. What's the what's
the what's the hottest game you ever played? What's the
hottest weather you ever played?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
In?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Man, I could just say the hottest weather I ever
played and had to be when I was at the
University of Florida during training camps at Florida's Okay training
camps in Florida was the hottest whether I've ever been
in my life.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Had to be in the hundreds for show.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
And you would see you would just look out de
boat and you would just see like you'll be looking
at your homie, but if he was like ten yards
away from you, it looked.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Like it was you could see heat waves in between,
you know what I'm saying. I was like this, what
the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (47:44):
And the coach, coach Mario be like, yeah, that's hell.
I'm like, oh my god, You'll just be standing there.
Sometimes you wouldn't know why you were so exhausted because
you just be drenched your socks, just mushing everything. Yeah,
down to your shoes are. I'm like this, I didn't
do nothing in the water. It's hot out here. And
then you got to change your socks because it's like

(48:06):
you have literally drenched, wet and you're just getting the
exhaustion happens. You get to be standing there and just
sweat running down your body.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
And it's humid. The humidity, it's just that that heat that.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
When you step outside, it's just sweaty and muggy, so
like fluorida. Gator can't heat nothing like it. And we
was on turf.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Oh oh oh my yeah yeah oh man. That's like
your feet on fire too. That burning at the box.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
That's like training the AZ dude, like literally standing on
ice in between reps to cool your cleats off because
your feet is burning, Like you can't.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Can't do it no other way, dude, it don't happen.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
I don't know if I don't know why you would
travel early just for the heat, Like.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Let's you know, they ain't gonna adapt you right right.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
What we would do is when you know we had
a game that was supposed to be like warm or something,
you just go to the endoor, turn the last the
heat up that you know you aredapt that way. That
way you get a whole you know, you get a
whole week of little trying. Especially you know up north
it's cold. You know, whenever you're going down there, you know,
a little in between the seasons.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
So throw you inside, throw the heat up exactly, and
keep the facility exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, unless they just wanted to go early because you
down there in Tampa, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Oh no, that's the opposite debo down I don't know, Hey, coach,
coach might wanted to go early, you know, playing physically,
man the.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Main thing, keep the main thing, the main thing. Yeah,
you keep the main thing, the main thing.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But you and I both noticed some some some people
don't always keep the main thing the main thing.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I know, I know. That's why I would have brought
them down last minute.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Last minute. I'm bringing out the latest possible. Y'all, go
get a good, nice sleep, We go laying.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Had a nicely. Then play this game. Good little food,
good little meat. I ain't giving you I ain't give
you no free time, dude. Bad check check.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, listen, man, I'm gonna tell you. So I went,
and we go out to California, dude, and we meet early.
I'm like, dude, why are we leaving early?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Like we was there for like like two or three
days before the game.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I'm like, yeah, I like this at all, Like and
curfew like curfew.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
You go curfew me on a day that you wouldn't
even curfew me at the crib.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
So why you It ain't like I'm going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I just it's just you just told me I couldn't
even if it wanted to.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
It's the principal. Yeah, the principality. I don't. I don't
like that. And when you go Cali the other way,
you get time. M hm.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So you could actually, you know, afford to leave a
little later. I would think, you know, but I don't know.
But that was the only time, actually, that's the only
time I've ever went early for a game.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
It with a Cali trip.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, I think that was with Cincinnati. But any other time,
we won't go early. We go with the normal time.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Make sure you get yourself in bed early. That's it.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I think we did the same. We tried to go.
I think we went out there. I think we might
have went the day early. But the crazy part we
only went the day early, but we kept the time
the same time like we left like like so we
would go to sleep. We were acting like we were
still in like Pittsburgh while we were in La like
the times and with the curfuse and with this guy.

(51:52):
So nobody would really like throw it off. So when
you got out there, you kind of tried to go
to sleep same time. Like it was literally like we
were still there playing at a like four o'clock game
instead of being one of something something like that. However,
they did it, but the math maththed up, so we
didn't change our time clock in our head at all.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It was actually dope, Yeah, for sure, for sure. So Shane,
is that stitching Matthew?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
He said, Matthew Stafford is probably one of the best
to ever do it.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Do you think Stafford is a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I I do, I do, I do, I do, I do,
I do I do.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I'm gonna give it to my bulldog. He wanted. This
is the thing people always say.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
But he got him a Super Bowl too, So for
everybody else's stats, but just me as a watching him
throw the ball what he did all of those years
in Detroit, I'm not gonna knock him for not being
able to win playoff games or make them go deep
into spots in his in his career. I don't think
that's that's his fault. I think that he had him

(53:01):
and Calvin Johnson his numbers, and the way that he
performed and the way he fought through injuries and the
way that he basically led Detroit was kind of the
only bright spot out there for a long time. I
don't think that's his fault. And then for him to
be able to go to the Rams in that year,
go win a Super Bowl, being able to show like
if I do have a squad with me, if I
am surrounded by great players.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
With defense, offense, coaching staff, I'm not the reason why
we weren't successful, you know what I'm saying. I think
he was there for a little bit longer in Detroit
that I think he would if he went to win
somewhere else, he could have more Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Maybe not, but.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's seen that he did go somewhere win one and
with his numbers, with the way that I see him
just throwing the football, with his numbers from the eye test,
he looks like just all the different angles, all the
different passes he can complete.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I'm a fan of his. I played him in college.
He played at.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Georgia, I was at Florida, So I've been watching his
career ever since he got drafted. So he's definitely in
my eyes. And just his consistency, long jevity, great dude,
stayed out of trouble, being a consistent leader. You know,
if you got Matthew Stafford, he's not going to be
in the press. He's not going to do any drama.
He's going to bring football. He's gonna be a great quarterback.
He's not going to do anything to make your franchise,

(54:12):
to to down your franchise or make them any stain
on it. So I respect him. I really really like
Matthew Stafford. I think that he's a he's a Hall
of Famer, and I don't think he's done yet.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I think he's still gonna play.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
He's still got a couple more years left, and uh, yeah,
for sure, I definitely think Matthew Staff's.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Is a Hall of Famer. I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I don't know if I'll say he is or isn't
a Hall of Famer. I'm just not on like his
total body of work, especially with when he was in Detroit.
I think you know he had Calvin. That's you know

(54:50):
that that's a big help.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It feels like now that if a quarterback go and
wins a Super Bowl and has the eye test of numbers,
then you know, it's like he's automatically a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
You know, it's not.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
You know, yes, you have a you have a great
run here and there like he you know he did
with la Uh. You have quarterbacks that you know, do
the same thing, have a you know, have a couple
of great runs, you know, get a super Bowl, and
now you know it's you know, it's Hall of Fame.
I think it has to be like like more to it,

(55:36):
Like did I fear that player?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
When you know I was I concerned about that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That player, Like when you know you play certain quarterbacks,
you're like, okay, we know that we got to make
sure we don't let him beat us, Like we gotta
we gotta play tight, We got we gotta be.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
We gotta secure our tackles.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And then it's some quarterbacks You're like, you know what,
wait for your opportunity.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
At some point he gonna hit you in the face
foot the ball. You know.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So I don't know if just you know, one, two, three,
you know, years of a good run, a great run,
whatever it may be, is it's Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I'm I just feel like.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Like I'm not saying like this about any particular one person,
but I just feel like it's getting it's getting easier
to get into the Hall of Fame rights, it's really
getting getting a little like watered down, you know, like
like Deon Sanders was saying, like they need to have

(56:41):
a different room for you know, guys that are those
you know, first ballot type guys or something like that,
because you know, right now it seems you.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Know, if you you know, if if you're.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Like a head coach and you gotta win the record,
you gotta you gotta super Bowl now your Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Uh, so I know what you're saying, you want you're
not trying to get Just let everybody go hold is
this more making more quarterbacks with a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (57:14):
My thing is this, did you change the game.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Did they did they did they fear you, respect you?

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Did they have to do everything? Like? It was? It was?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
It was it was game plan to stop you or
was it a situation where you know what, we need
to stop this. Like you're going to a game and
you're like, you know what, Hey, we're not going to
let this running back beat us. We're going to stop
the run and they're going to have to use their
quarterback and he's going to have to throw them into
a win. That's things that we would do, especially like

(57:47):
underdicular Bowl. We know that they passed the ball. Great,
whatever it is, Okay, we're going to do everything we
can to double the stars.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
You know what I'm talking about, you double this whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
We're going to take them away and make them have
to beat us either running the ball, which they're not
going to do, or using a different receiver. So my
thing is, if they didn't game plan for you like that,
and now you have the numbers to go with it,
you impacted the game.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Maybe you changed the game. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Hines Ward, They chimes Ward changed the game. They made
crackback rules because of hines Ward. Okay, yeah, like in
a time where they weren't passing like now, like that
was a person that they had to game plan for.
Heins was gonna do catch that rock and still bust

(58:45):
your middle linebacker in the.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Mouth like players like that.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It's like, okay, yeah, I can see that right there,
the total body at work. But coming in you know.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Two three, I.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Think, I think, I think the Hall of Fame Hall
of Fame talk is a really good talk about just
the how we think people should be able to get in.
You know what I'm saying, Like, is it on not
not only a couple of runs like you said, different
rooms and not first ballot Hall of famers?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Those dudes diffinitely, when is he ever gonna could he
ever get into the hall? Fourth ballo?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
You know what I'm saying, There's definite levels to the
first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You look at look at you know what I'm saying,
Terrell owners.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You take Terrell Owens, and you take his numbers, and
you put everything up there, and you erase his name
first ballot because he was Terrell Owens. And the reporters
and all the other stuff didn't like to do. They
got this is their chance now to oh I ain't
like him. So I'm gonna get my get back. I'm
gonna hold him out. No, it's no way like it's

(59:56):
no way he ended up getting He ended.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Up he ended up getting in. But that's exactly. But
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
The people that are making these judgments, they have their
own personal vendettas of their own with different players to oh,
this is my time to go ahead and assert my dominance.
Now I can get I could get some revenge for whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
It is that it may be. You know, look at
ab Hey, look brother.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Ill not a B will not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I do not believe a B will get in first ball.
I don't believe. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I can't even give any situation where if he gets in,
he is if he gets in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Think about this, that's what guys voting for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Now, if you cut it's numbers there, you take out
all the off field, yes, all the stuff that wasn't
actually football out of it, and you just look at
his work, his numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
It's balance, yes, and what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Like a thousand per chances are he may not see
it until.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
It's way past that. He's he's not going to see it.
He might get senior category.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Since they did it to t O and he was
on the field and they gave him like second or
third a B I don't they be well like you said,
like we both just said.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Longer than second or third? No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
What yo?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
What was yo? When they had him waiting? It had
him waiting years? Bro, It had to be like ten
years yo? What what? What? What? How many times was
it that t O? But he got in? Yeah, but

(01:01:54):
you say so, I know t O waited a couple
of ballots, but you said he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Waited more than a couple, bro. He literally just got in,
not even what five six years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Right, Well, if you got a five, but don't you
gotta wait, You gotta wait at least five once you
get once you retired.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Oh, I'm saying, like, how many ballots he went through?
Oh you say he went through five ballots?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
He ain't get into the third third? Okay, third third ballot? Yes,
he should have been first off, rip. He should have
been first off rip. That's what we were in the same.
We're in the same, like we're looking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
He made it to the third like and but Calvin first.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Calvin first, Colvin first, Colvin first, Calvin years Calvin Clean,
Calvin Clean, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Clean, Crystal order. You know what I'm saying, Like they
liked you, they love that. You're gonna get stuff for
that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yes, But I'm saying, so what I mean, I just
know as a talent, AB's hall of fame, like crazy
hall of fame like that room to Dion talking about
hall of fame, the other hall of But then when
you want to say, you're gonna add in like is
it a hall of fame like the way that he acted?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Whatever, people want to put that in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
So then I'm they it ain't people. It's then forty
something people that are voting these room. That's what I'm
talking about. Them we get to go ahead and and
you know, take their revenge like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Pure numbers. Everybody come on to stop it. Everybody know,
but like's twelve o six some point.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The guys that's in there, they need to be like,
you know what. The guys that's in are the guys
that's going to vote other guys in. They know, ball
these these dudes out here taking revenge.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, no, no hall of fame. Say, hey, I gotta
look at that. Who I'm gonna check.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I gotta check the I gotta let the voter check
the voters. The voter we're gonna check on the voters,
got to Yeah, yeah for sure, Like I just yeah, dude,
I really don't understand that. God. Anyway, we about out
of time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Look here, man, we want to thank you all again
for joining us on this episode. Debo and Joe, please
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Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Joseph, you have anything to say to the people, Yes,
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
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We will have the report from what happened on the
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