September 30, 2025 • 60 mins
Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Monday Night Football featuring Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins defeating Justin Fields and the New York Jets and Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos demolishing Ja'Marr Chase and the Cincinnati Bengals. Later, they react to Tyreek Hill's gruesome leg injury and give crown a defensive player of the week for Week 4 of the NFL season!
Timeline:
00:00 - Deebo with the WORD for Joe
08:40 - Dolphins beats Jets
17:55- Bengals lose to Broncos
26:10 - Harbaugh on Hot Seat?
37:00 - Steelers fans in Ireland vs Vikings
40:20 - Deebo lost his snake
54:35 - Defensive Player of the Week
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Debo and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm your host, James D. Boon and God and I'm
here with my co host Joe Hayden. Make sure your
guys like and subscribe. How you're doing today, Joe, I'm
doing fine, Debo.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But does that right? Yeah? Snake, it's a snake, this snake.
It's a representation. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I want to I want to kind of start the
show off with a little little something. So the Bible
makes it clear. Money tells a story, and so does
the company around it. Evil money never walks along, It
always brings evil people with it. Proverb says, one who
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runs with thieves becomes an accomplished and the greedy gathering packs,
plotting together to fill their homes with plunder. Ill gotten
gains ties you to crooked company, and in the end
that money destroys both wealth and the people who cling
to it. But righteous money, that's a different crowd. The
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one who earns with integrity walks with the wives. The
one who gives generously attracts france who bless an uplift
better a little with righteousness. Scripture says that great riches withinjustice.
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Good money draws people because it builds on because it
builds on justice, generosity, and the fear of the Lord. Now,
so they want to know where a man's money comes from.
Look at the people around him. If his company are liars, cheaters,
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and oppressors, the money is staying with their sin. But
if his circle is the wise, the generous, and the upright,
then the wealth testifies to the goodness of God. Evil
money has evil people around it. Good money has good
people around it. That is the the word. So basically,
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what I'm saying is evil money God's evil company. But
righteous money walks with the wise. Right now, I'm not
talking about money here, but I'm not. I'm not talking
about money. I'm talking about the company you keep. So, uh,
where I'm going with that, Joe is that? Where are
you going to be on Friday? So still, as fans,
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this is what I'm saying to you. I think we
have a serpent. I think we have someone.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
No debo, this all of that good of the good word. No, no,
tell me where you gonna meet Joe Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Joe, I'm gonna be doing the cast from good old London.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I'm going out to the London. I'm going out to
London because the Browns are playing the Vikings. I'm going
out there to support.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Stiller's just play over there. Why didn't you said you
go both?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I had some I had some things going on at
the house, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I wasn't able to make that. I wasn't able
to make the trip. Same reason? Why what what? What?
Go ahead? Mhm mhm, Joseph, your mute at Joseph, hold on,
my bad? Why weren't you Why why weren't you in Ireland?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had to make sure that I had to do
the show. But I didn't go any I did. I
didn't go to any other game for another team. I
woke up and my normal early time and watch my
Stellers whoop on Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So did I, So did I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I woke up right and early watched the Stealers win
that nine thirty game. You know, and I will still
be doing the cast out there in London, representing the
Browns and watching the Steelers. They're not playing against each other,
so I'm gonna be giving the Steelers that love, hoping
they win. They they have a bow week, so they
won't even we won't.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Even have to watch the Steels. There's no reason. You
know what I'm saying, they're chilling it off. So why
didn't you go to see the Stillers over there?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I had some things that had to handle at the house.
You know what I'm saying, Just schedule conflict, the schedules.
I would have definitely been out there if I could.
You know, I know, shout out Pas he was out there.
We talked about golfing together out there.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So have you ever been You ever been over there?
You ever visited any places over there?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I've been to. I just went and played the old course.
I went out there last year. So I did some
golfing out there with a good crew from Pittsburgh. Some
of my good man we did a trip out there,
probably like twelve of us from.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Our old country club Edgewood in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So yeah, so I still keep the good ties out
there in Pittsburgh, great people, great vibes.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Didn't go out to the Ireland. But you know, I'm going
off to London for the Browns repping. You know what
I'm saying, I'm still it is.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know what, people, I can't believe you put the
God's word.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I was all in what you were going talking about,
all money and good money keeping.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Good people. What we we.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
All we we we all we we still let's have
a bye, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So we're going to see what the Browns just you know,
and like you know, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm just I'm just checking. I'm just came with the
good word this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You can't the good word word you always always can
work and can be can be used. And you know
related I was just saying because it was just you know,
he was that was crazy to you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Came in with leave you. I thought we was better.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We're gonna just going ahead and you know we're gonna
jump into this to this Miami game.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know what I'm saying, man, we had to be
your own people, man, to be your own people. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So the Dolphins beat the Jets twenty seven to twenty one.
Game wasn't exactly as close as it did. They kind
of kept a competitive first drive.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I think Miami they get a field.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Goal, and then New York drives all the way down there,
and I believe it was Jones he fumbled on the
gold line.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Bro mm hmm. Recover by my young man. Yeah, Mika, Yeah,
Mika got that thing and then Miami like ninety sixty.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yards bro and converted on a fourth down that was
a touchdown to go ahead and finish that drive. Then
New York they was New York gets going and they
get enough fumble, Miami recovers it. They got lucky this time.
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There was no points on that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They had a lot of self inflicted ones.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, they had three ts, and especially when you're the Jets,
I'm not gonna lie. Justin Fields, he did good using
his legs, making some great passes. But the end of
the day, he fumbled the ball in the red zone territory.
They fumbled the ball going in right there, the running
back when he punched it out. And then on special
teams they turned the ball over too. So when you
turn the ball over like that, you're not good enough
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to overcome those turnovers. They still did good on the
running game. They damned it ran for two hundred yards.
You know what I'm saying, Brice Hall. Justin fields, they
did really good. You know what I'm saying running using
their legs.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean, you know, halftime it was three to ten,
but they opened the second half and do fumbles the
kickoff return, you know, right there and now it's you know,
it's seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To three self conflicted ones, like no question.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
New York went on ahead and the special teams they
came through for him, so they were able to go ahead.
And he broke one for about forty forty five yards
on that scramble, so it was still seventeen to ten.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was close right then and there. Oh that play
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I thought, I'm like, it's no way he's gonna He's
gonna make it all way. It was like Technmobil. You
know Techmobil used to do technobal friends. Yeah, yeh out
of control man. And yeah, that looked like a Michael
Vick ran. It's not too many quarterbacks that can do
that like lamar.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Him, you know what I'm saying. That his athletic ability.
So that was that was that was good to put
that on this splash.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, and then you know Miami Tariki ended up getting hurt,
but in that same you know, that same possession. Then
I was sorry the same yeah, that same possession. New
York ended up committee was it three penalties, two that
were actually accepted. It was one pass in the fence
and unnecessary russness that gave them a first down. And
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I believe that stopped him on third allowed them to
score go up twenty four to ten.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
The offense.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Do you want to get into that Tyreek hill now,
because that was a little that was that was egregious.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think he.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, that's just one of them situations too, where
you're trying to like stop yourself. He was trying to
stop himself really fall. Yeah, and just we don't exactly
know how bad it is. I believe he has a
surgery today. They say it's just located me right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think it's I don't know for sure, but yeah,
I think it. Yeah, Yeah, I think he said it
was an ACL two.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Oh is it? Oh? Yeah, I think it is. Brother.
He got the ligorments too. That's that's bad. Yeah, that's bad.
That's when I was looking at it, brother.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It just was at the end of the day, you
know how that is when you're out there playing those
injuries and in your leg like that. I've never had
an injury where I've been able to like look at
my leg and being a disabled spot, you know what
I'm saying. That could just be a lot of emotions,
a lot of stuff going through your mind, Like it's shocked.
You know what I'm saying. It could probably put your
body in the shock. You're not knowing what's going on.
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So when I seen him going off, kind of like
clapping saying, yes, he could be doing that for thank
the look that I'm still alive, you know what I'm saying.
It could be a lot worse. My whole leg could
have came off, you know what I'm saying. So just
a lot of emotions, a lot of things just really
kind of running through your head at that particular moment.
So just prayers out to him, and you never want
to see anybody out there because you never know kind
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of what they're going.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Through, what's going through their mind.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And if your leg to look down at it and
see it, I don't know, I will.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I have a weak's stomach. I would have played it.
I would. I would have passed right out. I did.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I did a serious one time, and I didn't want
to look down because it I thought my ankle was
twisted the other way. I'm like, yeah, I'm not looking
at them to get on the field. And finally down
I'm like I'm like, yo, where there's like no, it's
straight the right way. It's like yeah, it's good. I'm like, no,
it was. It was just a Hindu spring. It was
a bad one though. I like, I had to wear
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a cast for like two weeks and then another you
know whatever it was. But to actually look down and
see that he grabbed that thing, I'm like, yeah, I'm
with you. I'm not even looking. Somebody gonna have to
tell me.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh my god, somebody got to tell me something.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, no, question, just got some real issues though, Like,
you know, you got three turnovers too.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You know, you can't you can't do nothing with three turnovers.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Even though the Jets outgained Miami four hundred to three
hundred something like that, ninety like you said on hundred
ninety seven rushing two hundred and twenty passing like that
was almost you know, Miami's total offense, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Don't they even have more first downs? Dude? Twenty three
to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
They had a better third down percentage, like it was
forty four thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Three, like, but the penalties they didn't. The penalties.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Had ten drives I believe where they didn't have, you know,
a penalty on it, and I believe one was a
touchdown and the other ended up being a three and out.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Like a lot of that stuff, you can't you can't
win like that, those self inflicted wounds, like you said,
gaining all those yards, getting down into the red zone,
being able to run the ball in that in that manner,
and not being able to score points, being able to
have two turnovers in the red zone. Those are fourteen
Those could be fourteen points, you know what I'm saying.
On the board you eliminated. You didn't get field goals
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out of it. You got nothing. So you're playing against
a team where you're gaining yards, you're.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Moving the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Defense wasn't playing as I mean, defensive playing better than
they were because you got four hundred yards against them.
They got three hundred and some yards. But both defenses
weren't playing too well. But you got to convert and
you got to score when you're in the red zone
because that's and then when you don't, you turn the
ball over.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's how you're going to do.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, yeah, just issues. At what point is this maybe
a coaching thing? I'm just you know, you know, sometimes
what you allow in practice is is what ends up,
you know, happening in games like teams that don't tackle well,
usually don't practice and tackle well. Teams you know, teams
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that get a lot of holding penalties, you know, offensive
line defense, whatever that may be, they get away with
it in practice.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think it's something you know that has to be
you know, going on. I mean, this is not an
issue at one game. This has been something that has
been going on for the last four games. So you know,
at what point do you start questioning? You know, is
this something that is just being allowed? And when you
get into a game you no longer you know, now
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you're you're having to pay for it because it was
maybe allowed at practice.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What do you think? Yeah? I think, uh, because it's fumbles.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
With this particular game, it was ball security. It was
a fumble on the kickoff return. It was Justin Fields
getting stripped with a fumble, and then it was the
running back going into the end zone diving in and
getting fumbled.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So that's a ball security thing.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think that's just like you said, I don't they
have to practice ball security. Justin Fields has to know
that he's not throwing throwing picks like that, So that's
a good situation, but just knowing when you get people
around you, when you have guys running and stripping at
the ball, we can't be losing the ball. Like that
same thing with the kickoff returner, the same thing with
the ball handler. It's not really like an interception job.
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It's really a ball security thing. So I know what
you're saying with coach, you gotta coach that up.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You got to make sure. I'm talking about drop himies.
I'm talking about the pre snap in snap penalties. I
don't The turnovers is something that, like you said, that's
gonna you know, that's something that you're going to have
to do and in the moment, and you could do
it at practice, but you can't do it to that level.
But you're talking about pre snap. You're talking about false starts,
you're talking about holdings, you're talking about you know, illegal
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for things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That Yeah, that's the coach. Those those those things, those
things are coaching things.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I was talking to turnovers right there, that's just something
that you know you can't really be But the pre
snap penalties all of that, yeah, that is a coaching thing.
If it's not if you're accepted, you can't allow it
to happen. Those dudes can't be playing. It seems like
something that they have to make that an emphasis of
practice because are they getting off are they getting are.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They get jumping off side of practice? You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I'm not in there huddle, but I know what you're saying,
Like they gotta figure figure that out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, for sure, something something definitely has to be done.
So the Bengos, I mean the Bengals, all right, man,
The Bengals lost to the Broncos twenty eight to three.
The Bengals got got beat like a red step mad man,
like freshman.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They gotta work back.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
That whole thing was that was not not cute, brother,
I think god, bro, the Bengals go what you think, dude?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It was hell?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It was a blowout from the start, you know, yeah,
got they got a field goal on the first drive,
which was I believe sixty five yards of you know,
the hop total of one hundred and fifty nine offense
that they had and they never went on the score.
Was it twenty eight unanswered cincinatalie only completed? I think
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it was two third downs stacking up penalties, you know,
like squirrel store nuts bruh. Offense can't protect the quarterback.
They can't run the ball. On top of that, you
put your quarterback and shotgun all night. When you put
him in shotgun all night and your offense can't block,
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that gives me a half second more to have to
determine that, oh, you're not even running the ball. Now
I get to pin my ears back and just take off.
He sacked what three three times? Pressured multiple times? And
the quarterback you have right now is not the gun
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slinger that you know Burrow is. He's not gonna be
able to just sit back there and pick somebody apart,
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Lad.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
On top of that, the defense they out there for
eighty plays.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Offense only had forty three plays.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They couldn't convert nothing, you know, the defense couldn't stop
the nose beleeve memboys gave up over five hundred yards.
They let bow knicks get was it three twenty three?
Twenty six two tugs? He had what he did have
a pick? They still gave up one hundred and eighty
five at his six rushing and then the boy Dobbins
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he went for one hundred and one only sixteen carries.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He over six yard of carry dude, no pass rush.
I think they only hit the quarterback one time.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well it was from the Broncos perspective, they looked great.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Bo Knicks was out there, he looked amazing. Besides that
pick that he threw when they were up fourteen to three,
and I thought that if he would just score right
there and made it twenty one to three, I think
that was his only That was his only big hiccup
for me that he did the whole game. Everything else,
using his legs, creating on third down, throwing it to
court and something. The biggest thing for me too, was
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right before half when he did throw that pick.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
They came back.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And he threw that whole shot on to Sims, the
twenty eight yard dot right in between the underneath corner
and the overtop safety, and then the next and then
on third and two going in right before halftime, about
twenty some seconds left, he threw that bang eight where
suddenly widened out and then he looked off the safety
like a great quarterback does, and then dropped it, drilled
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it right on the money for a touchdown going into halftime,
and I was like, wait to just answer from throwing
the pick and coming back and throwing the touchdown. He
looked comfortable. The running game was looking good. Courtland Suttlon
was going work on my man for the Bengals that
that corner number twenty nine. He had a long day.
But they just looked like they were just they looked
looking when.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You ain't got no pass rush, you're getting a little resistance,
you know what I'm saying that right, you know, when you.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You can only you can only perform the who you're
playing against, you can't make.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's not that bad that they're going to get some
dudes that aren't well. He had a career day. So
the defense, you know, helped that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know, it's when you just have your career day,
it's a little you know. We'll see how he proceeds
going forward, but I think the defense helped him a
lot with the lack of being able to do anything.
To be honest, it was.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It was good. It was good, But you said it
was good. It was good Broncos and bad Bengals. It
could do both. I'll be the same time, you know
what I'm saying. So I think that, like you said,
the Bengals terrible tackling, like for being them being able
to just consistently create on make plays on third downs.
But like you said, too, when your offense isn't helping
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you at all, when you have so many pre snap
post that penalties where they're just flags throwing all over
the place, thirteen flags for one hundred and one yards,
you're not I mean, I mean for a lot. You're
not going to win like that, especially when you can't
create any sort of third downs or keeping the ball
creating more drives. So I mean, then they had Jamar
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Chase and Higgins out there.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
They couldn't get him the ball.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Joe Burrow right in here, dude, that's a huge issue,
you know what I'm saying, especially everything is built around him,
and when you don't have that, this this is the
type of performance you get.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But as you say, Denver did play.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we go end up getting a chance to see
that next week when Denver goes to Philly in Philly
and we go see what the defense and offense do.
Then that'll give us a measuring you know, a measuring
stick of you know, was it as bad Bengals or
as good Denver?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yep? Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Always good to see because you know, like you said,
they're gonna be able to carry it into the next week.
And like you said, going against a good team like
the Eagles, when we see is that is that run
game with JK. Dobbins gonna look like that is? Bolan's
gonna still be able to be as creative. It's Courtland
Suton gonna be able to get off like he was
versus a good Philly defense.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Are they gonna be able to look like they didn't
really go against an offense that week? So with them
having one hundred and fifty three total yards, three points,
let's see what they do against Philly. Are they gonna
stop Sa Kwan? They're gonna stop Jalen Hurts? You know
what I'm saying, aj Brown, Deavonte Smith is gonna be
a way bigger test. You know what I'm saying when
they go against a real team. So I know what
you're saying. But when they get into the stadium, let's
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see what they do versus Oh yeah, sure. What do
you think the Bengals should do?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You think they should depending on how long they're gonna
be without Burrow.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If it's going to be an extended period, think they
need to find somebody to play quarterback, try and pick
something up before the trade deadline, see somebody in trade.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, if they want to do something, if they
want to stay, if they want to stay relevant, and
they want to try to continue to win games. Because
I don't think this for me in my opinion, no,
I mean the Bengals, they don't doesn't look good for them.
Joe Burrow's gonna be I think with this toe, if
he's gonna be out for extending period of time.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I look at maybe December something like that. Man.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So yes, they they're not going to win more enough
games to be even in the playoff pitcher, so I
think they should rest up Joe Burrow definitely try to
if they want to try to win games and even
have a chance to bring him back this year. You
got to get a better quarterback because that's not going
to work what you got going on right now. You're
not running the ball well, your offensive line isn't getting
any better. So no matter who you bring in, they
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probably gonna get hit upside the head.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Also, so I don't think.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think the Bengals have a lot more problems than
they have answers. And if you're just trying to bring
in another quarterback to try to salvage this season until
Joe Burrow comes back, because in the long term, Joe
Burrow doesn't need to come back if they're in three
and ten by the time because back mathematically eliminated. It's
gonna bring him back to get hit up again, or
you work on getting that line right, hopefully trying to
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get a run game, something like that. But in this
recent future, there's no answers of fixing the Bengals right now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You gotta correct the other issues before you put something
in there as a fix it. You gotta everything else
fix before you plug in something that you you believe
can help you win, because you.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Got too many other you got too many other holes. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Jim Harbaugh said on Sunday Sunday night that he wouldn't
comment on whether Lamar could have came back into the
game or not. So they gave him another chance, I guess.
On Monday, Hardball said there's no way he was going
back in the game. The injury precluded it. There was
no way he could go back and game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I know Lamar.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I can assure you he would have been I can
assure you if he would not have been able to
go back in the game under any circumstances, what do
you think you think he would have went back in.
I think he would have went back in. If they
was close, I think.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They would have I think it would have went back
in was close for sure. I mean the game, it
means too much.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It depends if he played next week. If you play
next week, he could have went back in the game.
If you don't play next week, then he couldn't have
went back into the game. Because it's not one of
those things where it's like, Okay, I could go back
into the game, I can make it through, or I
couldn't go back into the game and then I'm down
that next week too. Then yeah, that's a really couldn't
get back into the game circumstances instead where they didn't
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want to, you know, take a chance of making it worse.
Because the way Lamar plays the game, hamstring is not
something he can you know, he can go into the
game with because he runs.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
He uses his legs to you know, make people miss
and do fast and when you hit a gear on
a you know, a partially held up hamstring.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That thing is going pop even worse than it did
the first time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Dude, you gotta let them hamstrings fully healed because you
and I want messing with it and uh, like you said,
letting it really go. And that's when that's Lamar's strength,
that's his thing, Like the fear of him being able
to take off on you, him being that that that
other weapon on the field, because his arm obviously is amazing,
but Lamar's dual threat of him being able to take
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off on you if you're playing man and man in
the backs of turn, he could take it to the house.
So him being able to know, like end of the day,
that hamstring I need to be at full strength, running
full speed, and if I do come out there playing
around with it, I could be gone for extended period
of time.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, it's not in a play with for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Hard Ball also took off on the Ravens offensive approach
and play calling on Lamar's interception. He said, it wasn't
a good call. It wasn't a play where we put
our guys in the right position in that situation. I'm
not happy with it at all, none of us are.
They ran a double backer blitz inside where they were
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right in Lamar's face. We had downfield routes with no checkdowns.
That kills the drive. You're moving the ball right down
the field. So no, I don't like the play call
at all. He went on to say that they asked
him if the Chiefs if they were prepared for the
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Chiefs blitz. He said, I don't think our approach was
was He said, I don't think our approach was good.
We didn't stick to the plan we had. We had
an idea of how we wanted to approach their defense,
and we didn't stick to it. And I'm not happy
about it, and neither is anybody, none of them.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Our coaches are happy about it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Especially I'm talking about the coaches right now. That's with us.
It was not a good job. What is your reaction
to horror ball statements?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right here? What are you reading this one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I'm trying to figure out who.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So he is he taking blame for?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Is he calling the plays or is he blaming the
offensive coordinator? That's why I want to ask. That's my
question to your question. Ain't no question.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
He said that the offensive approach and play calling, that
means he's talking about the offensive coordinator, the guy that
is calling the offense, that is putting the plays in
Lamar's ear, telling them what to do, giving them. You know,
you're trying to get some type of groove going. He's
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talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Him, So what he's saying is he's throwing him under
the bus. He's saying, listen, look, my coordinator is not
giving us, putting us in the position in the team,
in position to win.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Those dudes were not prepared, ill prepared. What do you
Is that what he's saying? Or my trip? No, you're
not tripping. What's the Ravens records one and three? Right?
I think so? Yes? Right now you're on a one
in three.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ravens team who is supposed to be in the top
you know, three four teams in the league, this powerhouse,
and now you are one in three quartered away through
the season. I am reading this as a head coach
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who is trying to get it ready to save this job.
As you know what, I had a problem with this.
Although I did hire you, I let you run your
offense and call it the way you wanted to, and
I'm not happy with it right now, and I want
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everybody to know I'm not happy with it. So that
if this ship goes all the way downhill, you will
be my fall guy. We don't care that the defense
is giving up anything or everything I should say. We're
going to go with what he's seeing over here and
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how he feels about it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And this right here is a setup.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
For if this don't get turned around, the offense don't
start looking like the offense, they're going to be the
fall guy. He the old coordinator, is going to be
the fall guy.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That's exactly we seeing the same thing that just happen.
Like when things aren't going well. They're supposed to be
number one in the AFC, they're supposed to be leading,
they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
On a coordinator new contract. What was it February March.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But this is the part of that I'm saying too.
How when Lamar Jackson's numbers aren't aren't that bad?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You know what I'm saying. This game was.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
This game wasn't that good. This game was the worst
game that they've had on the offensive side of the ball.
Defense has been the main reason why they haven't been Hey,
I'm trying to out why would you come throw out
your offensive coordinator like this when your defense has been
playing like league bad, like historically bad, historically bad, you
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know what I'm saying, And then you're gonna come out
at the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You're definitely honestly, when he.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Made a couple of bad calls, you're letting people know
put eyes on him, like making sure like this is
not the way like you, No, you did not put
our players in position to win. That's definitely making a scapegoat.
But I'm like, he's just setting up another scapegoal because
you already got one.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you want to really throw it to their defense side, like.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's no, that's a little harder. I think that's a
little harder for him. Maybe as he's the coach players
coach is if I call out the defensive side, it
ain't about scheme, It's about we getting mistackles missed. Thessignments
were just getting around ran through. Now you're talking directly
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to the players, to your individual players. No, Okay, maybe
for him, I got it's easier for him to get
rid of a OC rather than lose the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Because the defense, like I said, like when when what's
my man? Hamilton was saying, you can't put it on
the coach. The defensive coach because we're in the position
we're just not making the plays. We're not just communicating right.
But on the offensive side, when you're not making schemes
the right way. But like the numbers are good, you
can put it on the offensive cord and they're like, nah,
he's just the plays and he just didn't have us
in particular systems when we needed to.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He's picking and choosing. Okay, I can see it.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I can see right, like, well, you got a case
where the player already took the the finger off of
the decordinator. Listen, the defense works, we're just not going
out there and executing it right.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
We're not being where we're supposed to be. That's on us.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Ain't nobody on offense said the play calling is great.
You know, it's there's nothing wrong with it. We just
got to execute now. No, So it's it's enough, you
know here and there that you know what, this ain't
going good. Offense ain't living up to what we think
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they should live up to because of the play calling,
not because of the people we got.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
When he's doing good, he's doing good.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know, like you said, the play calling at the
end of the very first game you know with with
with Buffalo, it did not. It did not equate to
what they were doing beginning and like you said, planning
to not lose, not playing to win, not playing to
stump their lights out. Put up fifty on them if
we can. You know, he started, he started playing conservative,
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doing things that he didn't do to get to where
he was at and it you know, of course you
got Josh Allen, like I said, but it allowed them
the opportunity to come back and win that game. No
for show you right now. I mean defense, like he said,
if we know we got on, oh, let's go, let's go.
Let let's just be historically.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Great when we do have Lamar, when we do have
Dereck Hemery, you should be able to scheme that up
to make an offense top tier. And if we're not,
I'm gonna blame that on you. Defense right now is
not the play calling. Our individual players need to perform
better they had and they know that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
They've said that. It's not the coach, is not the scheme,
it's the players.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But I see exactly what he's talking about right there,
with how Harbow is trying to I'm saying, put that
on them. But at the same time, like you said,
I've seen, We've seen where they need to play not
to lose in the win and be able to try
to stump people out instead of like slowing it down,
changing it up, getting vanilla, No run the scoreboard up.
You know what I'm saying, When you can, and there's
been situations where they haven't, they start playing a little different.
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They don't know how to control the lead, or not
even control to extend the lead, keep the lead, be
able to expand leads.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, definitely, since you're going over there to London, Patrick
Queen over there in Dublin, he said some interesting comments
about Stellers fans at the Dublin game.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He talked about the environment, saying it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It might be a little it might it might get
a little heat, but it was kind of different than
being at home.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
They were into the whole game. Every single third down.
We could hear them. Man, he's saying, he's saying the fans.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's saying, y'all Stillers fans don't get his hype as
the Dublin fans steal the fans do.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So do we need to.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Step up our game? We definitely need to step over
our game. You be kind of quiet at them games.
Of course they be playing Renegated at the wrong time
and everything else. I understand that messes up with mojo.
But what do you what do you take or what
do you find interesting about these comments?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Brother? Uh?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think sometimes you know, when you go out of
when you go over, then when you go out of
the country. I think a lot of teams they're just very,
very excited and they appreciate you know, they don't get
all of the games.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So it's like a Super Bowl. You're not just getting
stealers fans.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You're getting a bunch of different everybody's wearing different jerseys,
everybody's coming out there just to support the game of football.
And I think sometimes maybe in some stealers games, I mean,
they can probably just get.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
A little a little comfortable, a little relaxed.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And I've seen some of these, like just season ticket
holders in the regular in the regular section. Have you
seen the videos of where people are don't really like
the fans standing up.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I believe it's really just so just comfortable standing up
that they may actually have I'm not sure of this.
If someone knows, let me know, but I think they
don't want you standing because you would be blocking the
view of the person behind com you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And that that is that is I definitely heard. I
definitely heard that too.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, So do you think is that a rule? I
don't know if it's a rule, that's something that we
would have to that's something that we would have to.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Have to look at something, because I mean, because you
know this, I've never really been going to games like that,
but I've always seen like if people stand up in
the crowd, it's kind of like if you stand up,
you're blocking somebody else and then they kind of stand up.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But over there, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Just a different environment, like everybody's hype and you're just
standing up kind of the whole game, you know what
I'm saying, showing that you're kind of into cheering, being involved.
I think more of when you're watching this is just okay,
something more just like this is minds.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
But they say it's etiquette, you know, respect, you know
the other, you know, consideration of other people around you,
all that, so it's no rules against it.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Stiller fans, you can stand up at the game
and cheer, and if you know the person behind you
tell you to sit down, you tell them to stand
up so you can see.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And you won't have a problem. Get into the game.
Stop sitting there like a like a like a MP yeah,
like a like a lump. Oh my goodness, where you
don't go in my shirt.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Depot.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You got to get hot right now? So he moving
like he moving moving, man, he tripping. Hey, list you
feel listen?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
What do you think he was saying?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
He was lost in my house for six months? No,
how so my son opened the cage door to show somebody.
He obviously didn't close it all the way right. Yeah,
So I get the call Snake gone, Kevin gone.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Woo woo whoo. I'm like, what you mean he's going.
He's like, he ain't in there. He left that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, all right, just look around the house. So
when I get back home, man, I'm tossing the house up.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm looking at every couch, I'm looking everywhere, man, And
I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And I'm like, dude, like he goes die in the wall.
He gonna start stinking, Like you know, I'm thinking about that.
I didn't. I done gave up.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I done gave up the search. I didn't tossed up
every couch everything, Dude, I didn't. I don't cut the
lining underneath house upside down my couch is to see
if he's in there.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, no for sure.
So I can't find and.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the cage he got.
He got a snake cage over there, and I'm looking.
I'm like, yo, I need to get rid of this cage,
you know, make some room whatever. I got a little
reptile room. I got a bearded dragon in there with him.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But look, but this what I'm trying to tell you.
When you didn't find a snake, you just thought the
snake was gone in your house.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I thought it. I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I thought he had maybe went downstairs and got outside
or something, you know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I done gave up searching foreign dude. And I'm sitting
there and I hear the this about six months later, Dude,
I'm sitting there and I hear the blinds like wiggle.
I didn't know it was the blinds. So I get
up at like three between three and four o'clock depending
on the day, and as I'm about to leave before
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I go to the gym, I do all my Bible
reading everything else.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And I'm sitting there and I heard what I thought
was paper hit the floor, right, and I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
So I look into my you know, I look into
the reptile room like maybe some paper fell on the floor.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I don't pay no attention to it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm putting my shoes on and I'm going to walk
out the door and I hear the blinds go.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm like, oh my god, I think that's Kevin. Right.
So I walk over there and this dude is in
the blinds like this, bumping the blinds, and I'm like, Yo,
this is crazy. This is bro dude.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
How often do you feed the snake? How did this
survive without getting old? Does it have to eat?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I just fed in yesterday. He ate he ate four mice,
so they can go months and I mean maybe a
year without eating.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Dude. You know my okay, okay. My author with the
Donas I went to told me a story.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Where, you know, he had somebody that lost one for
almost nine months and they ended up lifting the bed
up cleaning in between the mattress and the box.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Spring and he was laying It's all life see you. No,
there's one thing about me, debo. I'm not a fan.
I can't do none of that. I can't do snakes,
I can't do reptiles. I can't do nothing. I'm doing
all that.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Man, I used to have a I used to have
a tenth foot well when I got rid of him,
he was almost eleven feet Burmese python. And the only
reason I got rid of him is because I was
a little nervous then. I was like when I was
in college, and you know, at ten feet they got
the ability to go ahead and tap you out.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So yeah, he get the land, He get the land
right next to you, sizing you up. No, I don't,
I don't. I don't leave hi about the cage. I
ain't crazy like that. No I had I had locked
it in the cage and all that. Dude, Yeah, yeah,
no question. I can't. I can't have him popping out
on me like that.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Like listen, anyway, man, if you go to the game,
stand up, if you want to sit down, sit.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
On your couch at home. We don't need you there.
We need some people that's gonna be routed and excited
and making noise, all right, That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
If I mean, if you if it's if if you
have some leg deficient, if you're if you're if you
if it's gonna be if you're if you're older. I
can see you know what I'm saying. Respectful, That's what
I'm saying. It's more of a like a respectful thing.
If we just gonna stand up because it's time to
get loud and like we're just trying.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
To cheer, then don't just standing there, you know what
I'm saying, for no reason, just be to.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Be standing there, just it's a time out. You're just
standing up, just all in people's way. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Something we're chilling. We're chilling.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
But like just know that's what you're saying. Like on
third down, when you know when to turn up and
you know when to be quiet, not when the offense
is on.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Third down, we're like, yeah, let's go to like this
quiet time, be quiet, this is quiet quarterback doing this.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I want you all to be quiet.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Now when when the defense on the field make all
the noise, you wan't make all the noise.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
All the the gage. Yeah, it's it's smart cheering. It's
smart noise.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Definitely, we got we got Austin. He went on back,
He went on back to his to his stance, went
on back to the Halloween stance. He Carol loved it.
He loved it, he said, uh, nope, that's not it.
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So but they called the Halloweens standing there straight up
like like Michael Myers. You know, like how Michael Myers
standing there and then he run he runs your ass down,
you know when you done took off one hundred and
fifty yards and he just walking and get you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I don't know, time travel or something. I don't know
how he be getting to him. Dude, bro this one.
How do you? How do you feel about it? They said, Oh,
he went he went crazy. Was it Chip that told
him not to do? Yeah, dude, it was it was
Chip Kelly that that that told him not to do
the stance. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I guess for me personally, I understand where he's going
with it. You know, Chick Kelly was the main person
that you know, advised him to, you know, change the stands.
You know, he said, it's a bent knee gang. You know,
I understand where he's going with it. And I understand
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the approach. I tell my kids the same thing, like
why are you sitting there standing up like your needs
need to be bent? Because that's one less move you
got to.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Make to take off. So I understand that.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
But for him, obviously, it's it's not a it's not
what you know, it's not what makes him comfortable. He's
a guy that he's done that his whole life, his
whole career.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't you know, I don't see it being Chip Kelly,
you know, trying to.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Take control and and make guys do things that you
know they don't want to do or don't like to do,
or him just trying to be controlling of their situation.
I don't think it's it's over coaching. I think it's
the game, like the you think it's an example of.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Him, you know, being over coaching players or or you know,
being like everything has to be his way or no way.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I think this one in particular is a little tough,
you know what I'm saying, because him standing straight up
like that, if you were to look at like you
want I always think about just just from coaching. When
you first started playing the game, you were tall, you
know what I'm saying, like you said, Benny Game, like
you don't like football position. You know what I'm saying,
you got to just like get down and bend and
get ready to move because it kind of takes away
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one movement. If he's already going to go from standing
straight up to bending down to moving, then that's the thing.
But I think on this, I understand what the coach
is saying, but I only look at it a little bit.
Where when you get to the NFL, by this time,
you've been doing something in a way that's your way,
that that's got you to see who you are and
why you're here. Once we're to this level, like if
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he's not blocking a person, if he's not getting his
job done, then we make changes. But let that man, Yes,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you're not going to
go change his the way I press because this is
the way I've been pressing.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I'm in the league.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
You can show me a different technique, coach, but if
my press is like I'm comfortable, Like, don't get me uncomfortable,
because now I'm in the league, I'm drafted, and you're
telling me to do something different than the way that
got me here.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Like, that's just my only thing.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Like, don't if he's not effective and he's not doing
like crazy like not picking up blocks or not getting off,
then there's something to be coached. But let that man
stand and let him go get the rock and do
what he has to do on that part. Because now
he's in the league, he's comfortable. Just don't make him uncomfortable.
And if he's if he's comfortable there and being able
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to get the job done, then let that man.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
You know what I'm saying, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
That's like, you know, trying to change the dudes, you
know shot in the NBA once he goes pro like
you're trying to change the form and shot his comfort level.
You can't do that. This is where he's comfortable at.
This is where he feels more powerful at. You know,
I can see, you know, if he went in doing
it and he didn't have success his first three games.
He changed it up to what they wanted and he
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struggled getting it going. He said, you know what, I
don't feel comfortable. It's not really working for me. Let
me see how I feel how I play when I
get into the position that I'm used to playing in.
For the last you know, teen years that I've been
playing this game and he came through and he dude,
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he ran that rock.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
So you know, I don't, like I.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Said, I see it as him initially Chip just trying to,
you know, make sure he was in a position like okay,
maybe if he's in this position, it.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Would be even better. But again, it you can't.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
You know, it's a little different when you're talking about
changing the NBA player shot, because that's that's it. But
you know, a stance you're thinking from Benny's to to
straight up shouldn't change money.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
It may it may make you more effective, you know,
I don't you.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Know, you know it, James, You I'm a I'm a
are you getting the job done? You know what I'm saying, like,
can you do the job? I don't give a damn
how you stand. I don't give it what's going on.
If you're getting a job done, you getting the job done,
that's all that matters. So respectfully, if you're if you
are teaching you football, you don't want kids, It's like
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that's just not a natural like always like you know,
just from little it's bent me. So you kind of
want to be in a football position, being ready to go.
But when you talk about asking jenc, this man knows
what he's playing. He knows he's you know, he's playing
a football game. He's standing up about to get that pill,
and when he's toting it, he's not standing straight up
and he understands that.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
So let that man cook. I think it's if it's
a sin, you know what.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
With Chips Way, he averaged I think three point one
yards to carry on forty four for the seven attempts.
But since changing his stands on Sunday, he went for
a record one fifty five one hundred and thirty nine
hundred and thirty eight sorry on the ground and three
touchdowns to receiving and one risk and one rushing.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He just be killing me, bro after Yeah, they be
getting me, dude.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel
good standing in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
So that's how I'm going to play. Hey man, Genty,
you run you stand just like that, straight up? Straight up? Yeah.
I don't, to be honest, I don't.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I don't know if I would have gave him three games,
I mighta gave him two and then been like yo,
the same the same head baby, I love it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Though.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
He coachable, he coachable, He tried, he tried to coach
his way. He listened, he did a thing.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
But now you're like, all right, coach, Now I'm willing
to go ahead, stand straight, straight.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Up and hoop. I I'm gona give you one fifty
five to three toes standing straight.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Up, one fifty five three to and I'm gonna give
you a little something, a little something in the past game. Guy,
Come on, I don't I don't have Yeah, it's working.
He can't say nothing now like it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Brou you know who's your who's your who's your defense?
Player of the week? Bro?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Oh my goodness, you got my defense MVP. Oh I
got Kevin Bayer, the safety for the safety for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
My man had two picks versus Geno Smith in the
first half.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
He had seven tackles and the tackle for loss. But
it's about the way that he had his picks. They
weren't just like he fell into the pigs, like in
the right place at the right time. He read Geno
Smith like a book twice, same route, deep daggers. He's
the middle field safety. Just backing up boom playing g
you know, and like as soon as he sees that
he's breaking on the ball, hands, catches the ball, makes
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great plays. So it's not even just that some people
get picks because you're in the right place at the
right time.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh lucky.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He made great plays reading the quarterback, reading his eyes
like a book. Two great picks in the first half,
and I think those turnovers will helped him.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Help them be able to win the game, helping him.
Shout out Kevin by Kevin, shout out, that's good. Everything good,
play good, say good. Hey what they say you they
pay good? Yes, if you play good, they pay good.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Debo. So look who you have for your defensive MVP?
Did you have one?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I didn't have a defensive MVP, but I did have
a defensive player.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And who you were?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Like, you know, you know, I got like a whole
team though you know what I'm saying, what you mean,
got like a whole team with defensive players.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I'm just gonna get the Oh, I just to get
to all of them.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
They all, every everybody, everybody, Look, Kevin, stop tripping, bro.
This is what happened when you get food in any
any any warn He wanted to move around a lot.
See what I should have did. That's too much for me.
Turn the heat off and then go getting because then
he'll stay wrapped around my neck. He won't want to
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move because.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
The body heat. You know what I'm saying. You ain't
got no pets of any kind, Joe. I used to have.
Look when I was growing up, I had dogs. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
I raised them dogs and I have kids, and they
talked about they wanted the dog and that was gonna
make me raise another dog. Them little dudes weren't doing nothing,
So you know what I'm saying, no more animals.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
I got, what's up? Man? You didn't get a dog
and didn't give it away? Dig Joe? I mean, look,
I didn't get the dog. I mean, yeah, the dog
is great. It was a great family. It's a great family.
Great family, Joe, Joe. I can't. I can't never just
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get a yes. No Joe, I can't. I can't.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, you that dude, I'm not that dude, debo. But
my kids asked for the dog. I already had a
dog when I was younger. I didn't feel like raising
another dog, and I was raising another dog. Joe loved
the dog, and I didn't have enough. Look at this, noo,
sir think I want? Well, I didn't want a snake,
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but I got a snake I didn't want. I definitely
didn't want a beard of dragon, but I got a
bearded dragon.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
And now I'm the one washing that and clipping the toenails.
See look, but look, see this is what I'm gonna do.
This is my thing. It's not the dog's fault. I
don't want to have to be.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
I'm gonna give all of my attention to bringing my
kids picking them up from school.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Still I'm doing drop off pickup. I love it. You
know the joy they get from coming home to seeing
the dog that you got.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Them, that people to come home to enjoy the time
with me. We're gonna have a blast. Do you know
I built I built yet last night debo. I built
a hell Cat lego with Joey four hundred pieces hell
Cat last night.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Hell Cat leto Green and Black, four hundred piece leg That.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Much time you could have saved if you just had
that dog and said here, go walk the doggie.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
No, that's what I call quality time. Quality time with
my self, that's what you call quality. But you can't
have the quality time with your son and the dog.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Huh no, because he's gonna be pooping and then baby
trying to bite up my shoes and smelling up my house.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Not in a bad way, but like dog, this is
my home. I don't want my house smell like dog.
I ain't gotta smell like dog. That's dirty.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
People, the dog, the dog that over there. When now
I gotta go walk the dog. My son ain't gonna
go walk the dog. I told him, Son, walk the dog.
And I come home and there's a little bit of
dog poop in my closet behind my shoes.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
So I'm like, oh, whose dog is this? Who's gonna
be watching this dog? It pooped in my closet.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
See like I ain't just I'm like, now I got
another whole kid walking around without a diaper on, pooping,
biting up my shoes.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
You don't, You don't, canno. Even when you're gone, you
ain't even letting get out of being a puppy. It
sounded like to me, Joe, how long did oh my god, Joe,
come on, how long did you keep the dog for?
Speaker 3 (55:47):
You gave it away? And then I the dog is
having a blast pictures of the what the dog is?
You ain't answer the coln, the teeth, the dog for
like a year, for a year, he wouldn't even.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
For a year. What kind of dog was it? Joe, Joe, Yes,
it was a teaket it was. It was a little dog.
Oh my god, it was a pocket dog. And you
could have carried him everywhere.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I don't need I don't know, I don't know what.
I'm not walking around with a lap dog. I don't
need a lap dog. I don't want a lap dog.
I don't want a lap dog either. That's the reason
I won't get one. See, I don't allow my dogs
on my furniture. I don't allow him in my bedroom
or actually he dying, so I kind of allow him
in there.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Now that's the only reason, though. But I don't allow
in my bed or nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Now that's one reason I keep big dogs, because I
really believe that I may get soft and allow something
that's you know, don't shed One of those hype were
allegenic type dogs, and I beat a mess.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Around and let him on my couch. But also when
I walk my dog, I don't want to feel like
I gotta fight for him. Against another dog. So I
got a kid. You don't know he can hold his own.
You know, I ain't never trying to fight for my
dog I had.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
I had a rock Waller growing up, and I had
a cane corso, so I know about the big dogs
and I love those dogs. Those are my favorite dogs
in my life. Those were great dogs. So I'm not
not against dogs at all. You're against dogs that you
got to take care of. I just I already took
care of those dogs when I was a kid, and
my kids aren't doing it. They making me do the
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same thing I did when I was a kid, and
I'm cool now.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I already did that. I already know my dogs.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
I love my dog Joe, Bappy, Bappy, love you Bappy,
my rock Waller that I had when thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yup, no, I had back, yep, thirty about that. Yep.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I had baby from six to twelve, and then I
had Sugar from about thirteen to about not like about
twenty one, and they and they passed away.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
But those are great dogs. Man. We got we got,
I guess some super chests right here.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
We got Richard Rubin donated two bucks instead throw the
snake at ocean.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
We don't get the man it killed my snake, then
I really have to.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Go ahead and catch a case. Ain't it ain't even
my snake, you say, I say, my snake is actually
my son's. It's my it's my snake. Now, I ain't tripping.
It's my snake. Now that's what it's Go be bro.
Listen here, Joe. I want you to have a good time,
you know, over there going to see the Stellers, I
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mean the Brown Sorry you didn't.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
Go see the Steelers. I watched that game.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I was up right now, Okay, I'm just saying you
didn't travel there. I mean that's shows you have more
dedication there. The same reason you didn't travel. We had
other things, like I said, Like I said, I.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Didn't go to any game overseas that wasn't for anyone.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
And if I could have went for the Stealers and
still made my commitments out would have.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Now we want to thank you guys for joining us
for the de boat as Joe episodes.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
I don't know, man, we're.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Getting get listen to make sure y'all hit the light
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Speaker 1 (59:39):
We need you. We won't you and you don't want
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Speaker 3 (59:43):
Nothing, Joseph, come on, make sure continue to like, continue
to subscribe, and thank you guys. We need you, guys,
We love you, guys, appreciate you for watching the show.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
Let's get it out, Pat,
Welcome back to Debo and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm your host, James D. Boon and God and I'm
here with my co host Joe Hayden. Make sure your
guys like and subscribe. How you're doing today, Joe, I'm
doing fine, Debo.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
But does that right? Yeah? Snake, it's a snake, this snake.
It's a representation. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I want to I want to kind of start the
show off with a little little something. So the Bible
makes it clear. Money tells a story, and so does
the company around it. Evil money never walks along, It
always brings evil people with it. Proverb says, one who
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runs with thieves becomes an accomplished and the greedy gathering packs,
plotting together to fill their homes with plunder. Ill gotten
gains ties you to crooked company, and in the end
that money destroys both wealth and the people who cling
to it. But righteous money, that's a different crowd. The
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one who earns with integrity walks with the wives. The
one who gives generously attracts france who bless an uplift
better a little with righteousness. Scripture says that great riches withinjustice.
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Good money draws people because it builds on because it
builds on justice, generosity, and the fear of the Lord. Now,
so they want to know where a man's money comes from.
Look at the people around him. If his company are liars, cheaters,
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and oppressors, the money is staying with their sin. But
if his circle is the wise, the generous, and the upright,
then the wealth testifies to the goodness of God. Evil
money has evil people around it. Good money has good
people around it. That is the the word. So basically,
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what I'm saying is evil money God's evil company. But
righteous money walks with the wise. Right now, I'm not
talking about money here, but I'm not. I'm not talking
about money. I'm talking about the company you keep. So, uh,
where I'm going with that, Joe is that? Where are
you going to be on Friday? So still, as fans,
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this is what I'm saying to you. I think we
have a serpent. I think we have someone.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
No debo, this all of that good of the good word. No, no,
tell me where you gonna meet Joe Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Joe, I'm gonna be doing the cast from good old London.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I'm going out to the London. I'm going out to
London because the Browns are playing the Vikings. I'm going
out there to support.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Stiller's just play over there. Why didn't you said you
go both?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I had some I had some things going on at
the house, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I wasn't able to make that. I wasn't able
to make the trip. Same reason? Why what what? What?
Go ahead? Mhm mhm, Joseph, your mute at Joseph, hold on,
my bad? Why weren't you Why why weren't you in Ireland?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had to make sure that I had to do
the show. But I didn't go any I did. I
didn't go to any other game for another team. I
woke up and my normal early time and watch my
Stellers whoop on Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So did I, So did I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I woke up right and early watched the Stealers win
that nine thirty game. You know, and I will still
be doing the cast out there in London, representing the
Browns and watching the Steelers. They're not playing against each other,
so I'm gonna be giving the Steelers that love, hoping
they win. They they have a bow week, so they
won't even we won't.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Even have to watch the Steels. There's no reason. You
know what I'm saying, they're chilling it off. So why
didn't you go to see the Stillers over there?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I had some things that had to handle at the house.
You know what I'm saying, Just schedule conflict, the schedules.
I would have definitely been out there if I could.
You know, I know, shout out Pas he was out there.
We talked about golfing together out there.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So have you ever been You ever been over there?
You ever visited any places over there?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I've been to. I just went and played the old course.
I went out there last year. So I did some
golfing out there with a good crew from Pittsburgh. Some
of my good man we did a trip out there,
probably like twelve of us from.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Our old country club Edgewood in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So yeah, so I still keep the good ties out
there in Pittsburgh, great people, great vibes.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Didn't go out to the Ireland. But you know, I'm going
off to London for the Browns repping. You know what
I'm saying, I'm still it is.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know what, people, I can't believe you put the
God's word.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I was all in what you were going talking about,
all money and good money keeping.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Good people. What we we.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
All we we we all we we still let's have
a bye, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So we're going to see what the Browns just you know,
and like you know, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I'm just I'm just checking. I'm just came with the
good word this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You can't the good word word you always always can
work and can be can be used. And you know
related I was just saying because it was just you know,
he was that was crazy to you.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Came in with leave you. I thought we was better.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We're gonna just going ahead and you know we're gonna
jump into this to this Miami game.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
You know what I'm saying, man, we had to be
your own people, man, to be your own people. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So the Dolphins beat the Jets twenty seven to twenty one.
Game wasn't exactly as close as it did. They kind
of kept a competitive first drive.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I think Miami they get a field.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Goal, and then New York drives all the way down there,
and I believe it was Jones he fumbled on the
gold line.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Bro mm hmm. Recover by my young man. Yeah, Mika, Yeah,
Mika got that thing and then Miami like ninety sixty.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yards bro and converted on a fourth down that was
a touchdown to go ahead and finish that drive. Then
New York they was New York gets going and they
get enough fumble, Miami recovers it. They got lucky this time.
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There was no points on that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They had a lot of self inflicted ones.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah, they had three ts, and especially when you're the Jets,
I'm not gonna lie. Justin Fields, he did good using
his legs, making some great passes. But the end of
the day, he fumbled the ball in the red zone territory.
They fumbled the ball going in right there, the running
back when he punched it out. And then on special
teams they turned the ball over too. So when you
turn the ball over like that, you're not good enough
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to overcome those turnovers. They still did good on the
running game. They damned it ran for two hundred yards.
You know what I'm saying, Brice Hall. Justin fields, they
did really good. You know what I'm saying running using
their legs.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean, you know, halftime it was three to ten,
but they opened the second half and do fumbles the
kickoff return, you know, right there and now it's you know,
it's seventeen.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To three self conflicted ones, like no question.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
New York went on ahead and the special teams they
came through for him, so they were able to go ahead.
And he broke one for about forty forty five yards
on that scramble, so it was still seventeen to ten.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was close right then and there. Oh that play
was crazy.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I thought, I'm like, it's no way he's gonna He's
gonna make it all way. It was like Technmobil. You
know Techmobil used to do technobal friends. Yeah, yeh out
of control man. And yeah, that looked like a Michael
Vick ran. It's not too many quarterbacks that can do
that like lamar.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Him, you know what I'm saying. That his athletic ability.
So that was that was that was good to put
that on this splash.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, and then you know Miami Tariki ended up getting hurt,
but in that same you know, that same possession. Then
I was sorry the same yeah, that same possession. New
York ended up committee was it three penalties, two that
were actually accepted. It was one pass in the fence
and unnecessary russness that gave them a first down. And
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I believe that stopped him on third allowed them to
score go up twenty four to ten.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
The offense.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Do you want to get into that Tyreek hill now,
because that was a little that was that was egregious.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I think he.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know, that's just one of them situations too, where
you're trying to like stop yourself. He was trying to
stop himself really fall. Yeah, and just we don't exactly
know how bad it is. I believe he has a
surgery today. They say it's just located me right, Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think it's I don't know for sure, but yeah,
I think it. Yeah, Yeah, I think he said it
was an ACL two.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Oh is it? Oh? Yeah, I think it is. Brother.
He got the ligorments too. That's that's bad. Yeah, that's bad.
That's when I was looking at it, brother.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
It just was at the end of the day, you
know how that is when you're out there playing those
injuries and in your leg like that. I've never had
an injury where I've been able to like look at
my leg and being a disabled spot, you know what
I'm saying. That could just be a lot of emotions,
a lot of stuff going through your mind, Like it's shocked.
You know what I'm saying. It could probably put your
body in the shock. You're not knowing what's going on.
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So when I seen him going off, kind of like
clapping saying, yes, he could be doing that for thank
the look that I'm still alive, you know what I'm saying.
It could be a lot worse. My whole leg could
have came off, you know what I'm saying. So just
a lot of emotions, a lot of things just really
kind of running through your head at that particular moment.
So just prayers out to him, and you never want
to see anybody out there because you never know kind
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of what they're going.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Through, what's going through their mind.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And if your leg to look down at it and
see it, I don't know, I will.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I have a weak's stomach. I would have played it.
I would. I would have passed right out. I did.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I did a serious one time, and I didn't want
to look down because it I thought my ankle was
twisted the other way. I'm like, yeah, I'm not looking
at them to get on the field. And finally down
I'm like I'm like, yo, where there's like no, it's
straight the right way. It's like yeah, it's good. I'm like, no,
it was. It was just a Hindu spring. It was
a bad one though. I like, I had to wear
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a cast for like two weeks and then another you
know whatever it was. But to actually look down and
see that he grabbed that thing, I'm like, yeah, I'm
with you. I'm not even looking. Somebody gonna have to
tell me.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh my god, somebody got to tell me something.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, no, question, just got some real issues though, Like,
you know, you got three turnovers too.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You know, you can't you can't do nothing with three turnovers.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Even though the Jets outgained Miami four hundred to three
hundred something like that, ninety like you said on hundred
ninety seven rushing two hundred and twenty passing like that
was almost you know, Miami's total offense, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Don't they even have more first downs? Dude? Twenty three
to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
They had a better third down percentage, like it was
forty four thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Three, like, but the penalties they didn't. The penalties.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Had ten drives I believe where they didn't have, you know,
a penalty on it, and I believe one was a
touchdown and the other ended up being a three and out.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Like a lot of that stuff, you can't you can't
win like that, those self inflicted wounds, like you said,
gaining all those yards, getting down into the red zone,
being able to run the ball in that in that manner,
and not being able to score points, being able to
have two turnovers in the red zone. Those are fourteen
Those could be fourteen points, you know what I'm saying.
On the board you eliminated. You didn't get field goals
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out of it. You got nothing. So you're playing against
a team where you're gaining yards, you're.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Moving the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Defense wasn't playing as I mean, defensive playing better than
they were because you got four hundred yards against them.
They got three hundred and some yards. But both defenses
weren't playing too well. But you got to convert and
you got to score when you're in the red zone
because that's and then when you don't, you turn the
ball over.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's how you're going to do.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, yeah, just issues. At what point is this maybe
a coaching thing? I'm just you know, you know, sometimes
what you allow in practice is is what ends up,
you know, happening in games like teams that don't tackle well,
usually don't practice and tackle well. Teams you know, teams
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that get a lot of holding penalties, you know, offensive
line defense, whatever that may be, they get away with
it in practice.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think it's something you know that has to be
you know, going on. I mean, this is not an
issue at one game. This has been something that has
been going on for the last four games. So you know,
at what point do you start questioning? You know, is
this something that is just being allowed? And when you
get into a game you no longer you know, now
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you're you're having to pay for it because it was
maybe allowed at practice.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
What do you think? Yeah? I think, uh, because it's fumbles.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
With this particular game, it was ball security. It was
a fumble on the kickoff return. It was Justin Fields
getting stripped with a fumble, and then it was the
running back going into the end zone diving in and
getting fumbled.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So that's a ball security thing.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I think that's just like you said, I don't they
have to practice ball security. Justin Fields has to know
that he's not throwing throwing picks like that, So that's
a good situation, but just knowing when you get people
around you, when you have guys running and stripping at
the ball, we can't be losing the ball. Like that
same thing with the kickoff returner, the same thing with
the ball handler. It's not really like an interception job.
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It's really a ball security thing. So I know what
you're saying with coach, you gotta coach that up.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You got to make sure. I'm talking about drop himies.
I'm talking about the pre snap in snap penalties. I
don't The turnovers is something that, like you said, that's
gonna you know, that's something that you're going to have
to do and in the moment, and you could do
it at practice, but you can't do it to that level.
But you're talking about pre snap. You're talking about false starts,
you're talking about holdings, you're talking about you know, illegal
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for things like that.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That Yeah, that's the coach. Those those those things, those
things are coaching things.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
I was talking to turnovers right there, that's just something
that you know you can't really be But the pre
snap penalties all of that, yeah, that is a coaching thing.
If it's not if you're accepted, you can't allow it
to happen. Those dudes can't be playing. It seems like
something that they have to make that an emphasis of
practice because are they getting off are they getting are.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
They get jumping off side of practice? You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I'm not in there huddle, but I know what you're saying,
Like they gotta figure figure that out.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, for sure, something something definitely has to be done.
So the Bengos, I mean the Bengals, all right, man,
The Bengals lost to the Broncos twenty eight to three.
The Bengals got got beat like a red step mad man,
like freshman.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They gotta work back.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
That whole thing was that was not not cute, brother,
I think god, bro, the Bengals go what you think, dude?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It was hell?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It was a blowout from the start, you know, yeah,
got they got a field goal on the first drive,
which was I believe sixty five yards of you know,
the hop total of one hundred and fifty nine offense
that they had and they never went on the score.
Was it twenty eight unanswered cincinatalie only completed? I think
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it was two third downs stacking up penalties, you know,
like squirrel store nuts bruh. Offense can't protect the quarterback.
They can't run the ball. On top of that, you
put your quarterback and shotgun all night. When you put
him in shotgun all night and your offense can't block,
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that gives me a half second more to have to
determine that, oh, you're not even running the ball. Now
I get to pin my ears back and just take off.
He sacked what three three times? Pressured multiple times? And
the quarterback you have right now is not the gun
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slinger that you know Burrow is. He's not gonna be
able to just sit back there and pick somebody apart,
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Lad.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
On top of that, the defense they out there for
eighty plays.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Offense only had forty three plays.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They couldn't convert nothing, you know, the defense couldn't stop
the nose beleeve memboys gave up over five hundred yards.
They let bow knicks get was it three twenty three?
Twenty six two tugs? He had what he did have
a pick? They still gave up one hundred and eighty
five at his six rushing and then the boy Dobbins
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he went for one hundred and one only sixteen carries.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He over six yard of carry dude, no pass rush.
I think they only hit the quarterback one time.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well it was from the Broncos perspective, they looked great.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Bo Knicks was out there, he looked amazing. Besides that
pick that he threw when they were up fourteen to three,
and I thought that if he would just score right
there and made it twenty one to three, I think
that was his only That was his only big hiccup
for me that he did the whole game. Everything else,
using his legs, creating on third down, throwing it to
court and something. The biggest thing for me too, was
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right before half when he did throw that pick.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
They came back.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
And he threw that whole shot on to Sims, the
twenty eight yard dot right in between the underneath corner
and the overtop safety, and then the next and then
on third and two going in right before halftime, about
twenty some seconds left, he threw that bang eight where
suddenly widened out and then he looked off the safety
like a great quarterback does, and then dropped it, drilled
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it right on the money for a touchdown going into halftime,
and I was like, wait to just answer from throwing
the pick and coming back and throwing the touchdown. He
looked comfortable. The running game was looking good. Courtland Suttlon
was going work on my man for the Bengals that
that corner number twenty nine. He had a long day.
But they just looked like they were just they looked
looking when.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
You ain't got no pass rush, you're getting a little resistance,
you know what I'm saying that right, you know, when you.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You can only you can only perform the who you're
playing against, you can't make.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's not that bad that they're going to get some
dudes that aren't well. He had a career day. So
the defense, you know, helped that.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know, it's when you just have your career day,
it's a little you know. We'll see how he proceeds
going forward, but I think the defense helped him a
lot with the lack of being able to do anything.
To be honest, it was.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It was good. It was good, But you said it
was good. It was good Broncos and bad Bengals. It
could do both. I'll be the same time, you know
what I'm saying. So I think that, like you said,
the Bengals terrible tackling, like for being them being able
to just consistently create on make plays on third downs.
But like you said, too, when your offense isn't helping
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you at all, when you have so many pre snap
post that penalties where they're just flags throwing all over
the place, thirteen flags for one hundred and one yards,
you're not I mean, I mean for a lot. You're
not going to win like that, especially when you can't
create any sort of third downs or keeping the ball
creating more drives. So I mean, then they had Jamar
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Chase and Higgins out there.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
They couldn't get him the ball.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Joe Burrow right in here, dude, that's a huge issue,
you know what I'm saying, especially everything is built around him,
and when you don't have that, this this is the
type of performance you get.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But as you say, Denver did play.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So we go end up getting a chance to see
that next week when Denver goes to Philly in Philly
and we go see what the defense and offense do.
Then that'll give us a measuring you know, a measuring
stick of you know, was it as bad Bengals or
as good Denver?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yep? Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Always good to see because you know, like you said,
they're gonna be able to carry it into the next week.
And like you said, going against a good team like
the Eagles, when we see is that is that run
game with JK. Dobbins gonna look like that is? Bolan's
gonna still be able to be as creative. It's Courtland
Suton gonna be able to get off like he was
versus a good Philly defense.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Are they gonna be able to look like they didn't
really go against an offense that week? So with them
having one hundred and fifty three total yards, three points,
let's see what they do against Philly. Are they gonna
stop Sa Kwan? They're gonna stop Jalen Hurts? You know
what I'm saying, aj Brown, Deavonte Smith is gonna be
a way bigger test. You know what I'm saying when
they go against a real team. So I know what
you're saying. But when they get into the stadium, let's
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see what they do versus Oh yeah, sure. What do
you think the Bengals should do?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
You think they should depending on how long they're gonna
be without Burrow.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If it's going to be an extended period, think they
need to find somebody to play quarterback, try and pick
something up before the trade deadline, see somebody in trade.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, if they want to do something, if they
want to stay, if they want to stay relevant, and
they want to try to continue to win games. Because
I don't think this for me in my opinion, no,
I mean the Bengals, they don't doesn't look good for them.
Joe Burrow's gonna be I think with this toe, if
he's gonna be out for extending period of time.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I look at maybe December something like that. Man.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So yes, they they're not going to win more enough
games to be even in the playoff pitcher, so I
think they should rest up Joe Burrow definitely try to
if they want to try to win games and even
have a chance to bring him back this year. You
got to get a better quarterback because that's not going
to work what you got going on right now. You're
not running the ball well, your offensive line isn't getting
any better. So no matter who you bring in, they
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probably gonna get hit upside the head.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Also, so I don't think.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I think the Bengals have a lot more problems than
they have answers. And if you're just trying to bring
in another quarterback to try to salvage this season until
Joe Burrow comes back, because in the long term, Joe
Burrow doesn't need to come back if they're in three
and ten by the time because back mathematically eliminated. It's
gonna bring him back to get hit up again, or
you work on getting that line right, hopefully trying to
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get a run game, something like that. But in this
recent future, there's no answers of fixing the Bengals right now.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You gotta correct the other issues before you put something
in there as a fix it. You gotta everything else
fix before you plug in something that you you believe
can help you win, because you.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Got too many other you got too many other holes. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Jim Harbaugh said on Sunday Sunday night that he wouldn't
comment on whether Lamar could have came back into the
game or not. So they gave him another chance, I guess.
On Monday, Hardball said there's no way he was going
back in the game. The injury precluded it. There was
no way he could go back and game.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I know Lamar.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I can assure you he would have been I can
assure you if he would not have been able to
go back in the game under any circumstances, what do
you think you think he would have went back in.
I think he would have went back in. If they
was close, I think.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
They would have I think it would have went back
in was close for sure. I mean the game, it
means too much.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
It depends if he played next week. If you play
next week, he could have went back in the game.
If you don't play next week, then he couldn't have
went back into the game. Because it's not one of
those things where it's like, Okay, I could go back
into the game, I can make it through, or I
couldn't go back into the game and then I'm down
that next week too. Then yeah, that's a really couldn't
get back into the game circumstances instead where they didn't
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want to, you know, take a chance of making it worse.
Because the way Lamar plays the game, hamstring is not
something he can you know, he can go into the
game with because he runs.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
He uses his legs to you know, make people miss
and do fast and when you hit a gear on
a you know, a partially held up hamstring.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That thing is going pop even worse than it did
the first time.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Dude, you gotta let them hamstrings fully healed because you
and I want messing with it and uh, like you said,
letting it really go. And that's when that's Lamar's strength,
that's his thing, Like the fear of him being able
to take off on you, him being that that that
other weapon on the field, because his arm obviously is amazing,
but Lamar's dual threat of him being able to take
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off on you if you're playing man and man in
the backs of turn, he could take it to the house.
So him being able to know, like end of the day,
that hamstring I need to be at full strength, running
full speed, and if I do come out there playing
around with it, I could be gone for extended period
of time.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, it's not in a play with for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Hard Ball also took off on the Ravens offensive approach
and play calling on Lamar's interception. He said, it wasn't
a good call. It wasn't a play where we put
our guys in the right position in that situation. I'm
not happy with it at all, none of us are.
They ran a double backer blitz inside where they were
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right in Lamar's face. We had downfield routes with no checkdowns.
That kills the drive. You're moving the ball right down
the field. So no, I don't like the play call
at all. He went on to say that they asked
him if the Chiefs if they were prepared for the
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Chiefs blitz. He said, I don't think our approach was
was He said, I don't think our approach was good.
We didn't stick to the plan we had. We had
an idea of how we wanted to approach their defense,
and we didn't stick to it. And I'm not happy
about it, and neither is anybody, none of them.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Our coaches are happy about it.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Especially I'm talking about the coaches right now. That's with us.
It was not a good job. What is your reaction
to horror ball statements?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right here? What are you reading this one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I'm trying to figure out who.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So he is he taking blame for?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Is he calling the plays or is he blaming the
offensive coordinator? That's why I want to ask. That's my
question to your question. Ain't no question.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
He said that the offensive approach and play calling, that
means he's talking about the offensive coordinator, the guy that
is calling the offense, that is putting the plays in
Lamar's ear, telling them what to do, giving them. You know,
you're trying to get some type of groove going. He's
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talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Him, So what he's saying is he's throwing him under
the bus. He's saying, listen, look, my coordinator is not
giving us, putting us in the position in the team,
in position to win.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Those dudes were not prepared, ill prepared. What do you
Is that what he's saying? Or my trip? No, you're
not tripping. What's the Ravens records one and three? Right?
I think so? Yes? Right now you're on a one
in three.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ravens team who is supposed to be in the top
you know, three four teams in the league, this powerhouse,
and now you are one in three quartered away through
the season. I am reading this as a head coach
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who is trying to get it ready to save this job.
As you know what, I had a problem with this.
Although I did hire you, I let you run your
offense and call it the way you wanted to, and
I'm not happy with it right now, and I want
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everybody to know I'm not happy with it. So that
if this ship goes all the way downhill, you will
be my fall guy. We don't care that the defense
is giving up anything or everything I should say. We're
going to go with what he's seeing over here and
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how he feels about it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And this right here is a setup.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
For if this don't get turned around, the offense don't
start looking like the offense, they're going to be the
fall guy. He the old coordinator, is going to be
the fall guy.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
That's exactly we seeing the same thing that just happen.
Like when things aren't going well. They're supposed to be
number one in the AFC, they're supposed to be leading,
they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
On a coordinator new contract. What was it February March.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
But this is the part of that I'm saying too.
How when Lamar Jackson's numbers aren't aren't that bad?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You know what I'm saying. This game was.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
This game wasn't that good. This game was the worst
game that they've had on the offensive side of the ball.
Defense has been the main reason why they haven't been Hey,
I'm trying to out why would you come throw out
your offensive coordinator like this when your defense has been
playing like league bad, like historically bad, historically bad, you
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know what I'm saying, And then you're gonna come out
at the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You're definitely honestly, when he.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Made a couple of bad calls, you're letting people know
put eyes on him, like making sure like this is
not the way like you, No, you did not put
our players in position to win. That's definitely making a scapegoat.
But I'm like, he's just setting up another scapegoal because
you already got one.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you want to really throw it to their defense side, like.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's no, that's a little harder. I think that's a
little harder for him. Maybe as he's the coach players
coach is if I call out the defensive side, it
ain't about scheme, It's about we getting mistackles missed. Thessignments
were just getting around ran through. Now you're talking directly
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to the players, to your individual players. No, Okay, maybe
for him, I got it's easier for him to get
rid of a OC rather than lose the whole defense.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Because the defense, like I said, like when when what's
my man? Hamilton was saying, you can't put it on
the coach. The defensive coach because we're in the position
we're just not making the plays. We're not just communicating right.
But on the offensive side, when you're not making schemes
the right way. But like the numbers are good, you
can put it on the offensive cord and they're like, nah,
he's just the plays and he just didn't have us
in particular systems when we needed to.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
He's picking and choosing. Okay, I can see it.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I can see right, like, well, you got a case
where the player already took the the finger off of
the decordinator. Listen, the defense works, we're just not going
out there and executing it right.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
We're not being where we're supposed to be. That's on us.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Ain't nobody on offense said the play calling is great.
You know, it's there's nothing wrong with it. We just
got to execute now. No, So it's it's enough, you
know here and there that you know what, this ain't
going good. Offense ain't living up to what we think
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they should live up to because of the play calling,
not because of the people we got.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
When he's doing good, he's doing good.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You know, like you said, the play calling at the
end of the very first game you know with with
with Buffalo, it did not. It did not equate to
what they were doing beginning and like you said, planning
to not lose, not playing to win, not playing to
stump their lights out. Put up fifty on them if
we can. You know, he started, he started playing conservative,
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doing things that he didn't do to get to where
he was at and it you know, of course you
got Josh Allen, like I said, but it allowed them
the opportunity to come back and win that game. No
for show you right now. I mean defense, like he said,
if we know we got on, oh, let's go, let's go.
Let let's just be historically.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Great when we do have Lamar, when we do have
Dereck Hemery, you should be able to scheme that up
to make an offense top tier. And if we're not,
I'm gonna blame that on you. Defense right now is
not the play calling. Our individual players need to perform
better they had and they know that.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
They've said that. It's not the coach, is not the scheme,
it's the players.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But I see exactly what he's talking about right there,
with how Harbow is trying to I'm saying, put that
on them. But at the same time, like you said,
I've seen, We've seen where they need to play not
to lose in the win and be able to try
to stump people out instead of like slowing it down,
changing it up, getting vanilla, No run the scoreboard up.
You know what I'm saying, When you can, and there's
been situations where they haven't, they start playing a little different.
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They don't know how to control the lead, or not
even control to extend the lead, keep the lead, be
able to expand leads.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, definitely, since you're going over there to London, Patrick
Queen over there in Dublin, he said some interesting comments
about Stellers fans at the Dublin game.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He talked about the environment, saying it was incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It might be a little it might it might get
a little heat, but it was kind of different than
being at home.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
They were into the whole game. Every single third down.
We could hear them. Man, he's saying, he's saying the fans.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He's saying, y'all Stillers fans don't get his hype as
the Dublin fans steal the fans do.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So do we need to.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Step up our game? We definitely need to step over
our game. You be kind of quiet at them games.
Of course they be playing Renegated at the wrong time
and everything else. I understand that messes up with mojo.
But what do you what do you take or what
do you find interesting about these comments?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Brother? Uh?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I think sometimes you know, when you go out of
when you go over, then when you go out of
the country. I think a lot of teams they're just very,
very excited and they appreciate you know, they don't get
all of the games.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So it's like a Super Bowl. You're not just getting
stealers fans.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
You're getting a bunch of different everybody's wearing different jerseys,
everybody's coming out there just to support the game of football.
And I think sometimes maybe in some stealers games, I mean,
they can probably just get.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
A little a little comfortable, a little relaxed.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And I've seen some of these, like just season ticket
holders in the regular in the regular section. Have you
seen the videos of where people are don't really like
the fans standing up.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I believe it's really just so just comfortable standing up
that they may actually have I'm not sure of this.
If someone knows, let me know, but I think they
don't want you standing because you would be blocking the
view of the person behind com you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And that that is that is I definitely heard. I
definitely heard that too.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, So do you think is that a rule? I
don't know if it's a rule, that's something that we
would have to that's something that we would have to.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Have to look at something, because I mean, because you
know this, I've never really been going to games like that,
but I've always seen like if people stand up in
the crowd, it's kind of like if you stand up,
you're blocking somebody else and then they kind of stand up.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
But over there, I think it's.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Just a different environment, like everybody's hype and you're just
standing up kind of the whole game, you know what
I'm saying, showing that you're kind of into cheering, being involved.
I think more of when you're watching this is just okay,
something more just like this is minds.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
But they say it's etiquette, you know, respect, you know
the other, you know, consideration of other people around you,
all that, so it's no rules against it.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Stiller fans, you can stand up at the game
and cheer, and if you know the person behind you
tell you to sit down, you tell them to stand
up so you can see.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And you won't have a problem. Get into the game.
Stop sitting there like a like a like a MP yeah,
like a like a lump. Oh my goodness, where you
don't go in my shirt.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Depot.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
You got to get hot right now? So he moving
like he moving moving, man, he tripping. Hey, list you
feel listen?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
What do you think he was saying?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
He was lost in my house for six months? No,
how so my son opened the cage door to show somebody.
He obviously didn't close it all the way right. Yeah,
So I get the call Snake gone, Kevin gone.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Woo woo whoo. I'm like, what you mean he's going.
He's like, he ain't in there. He left that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, all right, just look around the house. So
when I get back home, man, I'm tossing the house up.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Man.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I'm looking at every couch, I'm looking everywhere, man, And
I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
And I'm like, dude, like he goes die in the wall.
He gonna start stinking, Like you know, I'm thinking about that.
I didn't. I done gave up.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I done gave up the search. I didn't tossed up
every couch everything, Dude, I didn't. I don't cut the
lining underneath house upside down my couch is to see
if he's in there.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, no for sure.
So I can't find and.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the cage he got.
He got a snake cage over there, and I'm looking.
I'm like, yo, I need to get rid of this cage,
you know, make some room whatever. I got a little
reptile room. I got a bearded dragon in there with him.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But look, but this what I'm trying to tell you.
When you didn't find a snake, you just thought the
snake was gone in your house.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I thought it. I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I thought he had maybe went downstairs and got outside
or something, you know, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
So I didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I done gave up searching foreign dude. And I'm sitting
there and I hear the this about six months later, Dude,
I'm sitting there and I hear the blinds like wiggle.
I didn't know it was the blinds. So I get
up at like three between three and four o'clock depending
on the day, and as I'm about to leave before
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I go to the gym, I do all my Bible
reading everything else.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
And I'm sitting there and I heard what I thought
was paper hit the floor, right, and I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
So I look into my you know, I look into
the reptile room like maybe some paper fell on the floor.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I don't pay no attention to it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I'm putting my shoes on and I'm going to walk
out the door and I hear the blinds go.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm like, oh my god, I think that's Kevin. Right.
So I walk over there and this dude is in
the blinds like this, bumping the blinds, and I'm like, Yo,
this is crazy. This is bro dude.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
How often do you feed the snake? How did this
survive without getting old? Does it have to eat?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I just fed in yesterday. He ate he ate four mice,
so they can go months and I mean maybe a
year without eating.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Dude. You know my okay, okay. My author with the
Donas I went to told me a story.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Where, you know, he had somebody that lost one for
almost nine months and they ended up lifting the bed
up cleaning in between the mattress and the box.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Spring and he was laying It's all life see you. No,
there's one thing about me, debo. I'm not a fan.
I can't do none of that. I can't do snakes,
I can't do reptiles. I can't do nothing. I'm doing
all that.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Man, I used to have a I used to have
a tenth foot well when I got rid of him,
he was almost eleven feet Burmese python. And the only
reason I got rid of him is because I was
a little nervous then. I was like when I was
in college, and you know, at ten feet they got
the ability to go ahead and tap you out.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
So yeah, he get the land, He get the land
right next to you, sizing you up. No, I don't,
I don't. I don't leave hi about the cage. I
ain't crazy like that. No I had I had locked
it in the cage and all that. Dude, Yeah, yeah,
no question. I can't. I can't have him popping out
on me like that.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Like listen, anyway, man, if you go to the game,
stand up, if you want to sit down, sit.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
On your couch at home. We don't need you there.
We need some people that's gonna be routed and excited
and making noise, all right, That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
If I mean, if you if it's if if you
have some leg deficient, if you're if you're if you
if it's gonna be if you're if you're older. I
can see you know what I'm saying. Respectful, That's what
I'm saying. It's more of a like a respectful thing.
If we just gonna stand up because it's time to
get loud and like we're just trying.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
To cheer, then don't just standing there, you know what
I'm saying, for no reason, just be to.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Be standing there, just it's a time out. You're just
standing up, just all in people's way. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Something we're chilling. We're chilling.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
But like just know that's what you're saying. Like on
third down, when you know when to turn up and
you know when to be quiet, not when the offense
is on.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Third down, we're like, yeah, let's go to like this
quiet time, be quiet, this is quiet quarterback doing this.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I want you all to be quiet.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Now when when the defense on the field make all
the noise, you wan't make all the noise.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
All the the gage. Yeah, it's it's smart cheering. It's
smart noise.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Definitely, we got we got Austin. He went on back,
He went on back to his to his stance, went
on back to the Halloween stance. He Carol loved it.
He loved it, he said, uh, nope, that's not it.
(43:27):
So but they called the Halloweens standing there straight up
like like Michael Myers. You know, like how Michael Myers
standing there and then he run he runs your ass down,
you know when you done took off one hundred and
fifty yards and he just walking and get you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I don't know, time travel or something. I don't know
how he be getting to him. Dude, bro this one.
How do you? How do you feel about it? They said, Oh,
he went he went crazy. Was it Chip that told
him not to do? Yeah, dude, it was it was
Chip Kelly that that that told him not to do
the stance. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I guess for me personally, I understand where he's going
with it. You know, Chick Kelly was the main person
that you know, advised him to, you know, change the stands.
You know, he said, it's a bent knee gang. You know,
I understand where he's going with it. And I understand
(44:26):
the approach. I tell my kids the same thing, like
why are you sitting there standing up like your needs
need to be bent? Because that's one less move you
got to.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Make to take off. So I understand that.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
But for him, obviously, it's it's not a it's not
what you know, it's not what makes him comfortable. He's
a guy that he's done that his whole life, his
whole career.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't you know, I don't see it being Chip Kelly,
you know, trying to.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Take control and and make guys do things that you
know they don't want to do or don't like to do,
or him just trying to be controlling of their situation.
I don't think it's it's over coaching. I think it's
the game, like the you think it's an example of.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Him, you know, being over coaching players or or you know,
being like everything has to be his way or no way.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
I think this one in particular is a little tough,
you know what I'm saying, because him standing straight up
like that, if you were to look at like you
want I always think about just just from coaching. When
you first started playing the game, you were tall, you
know what I'm saying, like you said, Benny Game, like
you don't like football position. You know what I'm saying,
you got to just like get down and bend and
get ready to move because it kind of takes away
(45:51):
one movement. If he's already going to go from standing
straight up to bending down to moving, then that's the thing.
But I think on this, I understand what the coach
is saying, but I only look at it a little bit.
Where when you get to the NFL, by this time,
you've been doing something in a way that's your way,
that that's got you to see who you are and
why you're here. Once we're to this level, like if
(46:14):
he's not blocking a person, if he's not getting his
job done, then we make changes. But let that man, Yes,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you're not going to
go change his the way I press because this is
the way I've been pressing.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I'm in the league.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
You can show me a different technique, coach, but if
my press is like I'm comfortable, Like, don't get me uncomfortable,
because now I'm in the league, I'm drafted, and you're
telling me to do something different than the way that
got me here.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Like, that's just my only thing.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Like, don't if he's not effective and he's not doing
like crazy like not picking up blocks or not getting off,
then there's something to be coached. But let that man
stand and let him go get the rock and do
what he has to do on that part. Because now
he's in the league, he's comfortable. Just don't make him uncomfortable.
And if he's if he's comfortable there and being able
(46:57):
to get the job done, then let that man.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
You know what I'm saying, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
That's like, you know, trying to change the dudes, you
know shot in the NBA once he goes pro like
you're trying to change the form and shot his comfort level.
You can't do that. This is where he's comfortable at.
This is where he feels more powerful at. You know,
I can see, you know, if he went in doing
it and he didn't have success his first three games.
He changed it up to what they wanted and he
(47:24):
struggled getting it going. He said, you know what, I
don't feel comfortable. It's not really working for me. Let
me see how I feel how I play when I
get into the position that I'm used to playing in.
For the last you know, teen years that I've been
playing this game and he came through and he dude,
(47:46):
he ran that rock.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
So you know, I don't, like I.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Said, I see it as him initially Chip just trying to,
you know, make sure he was in a position like okay,
maybe if he's in this position, it.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Would be even better. But again, it you can't.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
You know, it's a little different when you're talking about
changing the NBA player shot, because that's that's it. But
you know, a stance you're thinking from Benny's to to
straight up shouldn't change money.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
It may it may make you more effective, you know,
I don't you.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Know, you know it, James, You I'm a I'm a
are you getting the job done? You know what I'm saying, like,
can you do the job? I don't give a damn
how you stand. I don't give it what's going on.
If you're getting a job done, you getting the job done,
that's all that matters. So respectfully, if you're if you
are teaching you football, you don't want kids, It's like
(48:35):
that's just not a natural like always like you know,
just from little it's bent me. So you kind of
want to be in a football position, being ready to go.
But when you talk about asking jenc, this man knows
what he's playing. He knows he's you know, he's playing
a football game. He's standing up about to get that pill,
and when he's toting it, he's not standing straight up
and he understands that.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
So let that man cook. I think it's if it's
a sin, you know what.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
With Chips Way, he averaged I think three point one
yards to carry on forty four for the seven attempts.
But since changing his stands on Sunday, he went for
a record one fifty five one hundred and thirty nine
hundred and thirty eight sorry on the ground and three
touchdowns to receiving and one risk and one rushing.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He just be killing me, bro after Yeah, they be
getting me, dude.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel
good standing in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
So that's how I'm going to play. Hey man, Genty,
you run you stand just like that, straight up? Straight up? Yeah.
I don't, to be honest, I don't.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
I don't know if I would have gave him three games,
I mighta gave him two and then been like yo,
the same the same head baby, I love it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Though.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
He coachable, he coachable, He tried, he tried to coach
his way. He listened, he did a thing.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
But now you're like, all right, coach, Now I'm willing
to go ahead, stand straight, straight.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Up and hoop. I I'm gona give you one fifty
five to three toes standing straight.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Up, one fifty five three to and I'm gonna give
you a little something, a little something in the past game. Guy,
Come on, I don't I don't have Yeah, it's working.
He can't say nothing now like it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Brou you know who's your who's your who's your defense?
Player of the week? Bro?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Oh my goodness, you got my defense MVP. Oh I
got Kevin Bayer, the safety for the safety for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
My man had two picks versus Geno Smith in the
first half.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
He had seven tackles and the tackle for loss. But
it's about the way that he had his picks. They
weren't just like he fell into the pigs, like in
the right place at the right time. He read Geno
Smith like a book twice, same route, deep daggers. He's
the middle field safety. Just backing up boom playing g
you know, and like as soon as he sees that
he's breaking on the ball, hands, catches the ball, makes
(51:09):
great plays. So it's not even just that some people
get picks because you're in the right place at the
right time.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh lucky.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
He made great plays reading the quarterback, reading his eyes
like a book. Two great picks in the first half,
and I think those turnovers will helped him.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Help them be able to win the game, helping him.
Shout out Kevin by Kevin, shout out, that's good. Everything good,
play good, say good. Hey what they say you they
pay good? Yes, if you play good, they pay good.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Debo. So look who you have for your defensive MVP?
Did you have one?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I didn't have a defensive MVP, but I did have
a defensive player.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
And who you were?
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Like, you know, you know, I got like a whole
team though you know what I'm saying, what you mean,
got like a whole team with defensive players.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I'm just gonna get the Oh, I just to get
to all of them.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
They all, every everybody, everybody, Look, Kevin, stop tripping, bro.
This is what happened when you get food in any
any any warn He wanted to move around a lot.
See what I should have did. That's too much for me.
Turn the heat off and then go getting because then
he'll stay wrapped around my neck. He won't want to
(52:40):
move because.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
The body heat. You know what I'm saying. You ain't
got no pets of any kind, Joe. I used to have.
Look when I was growing up, I had dogs. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
I raised them dogs and I have kids, and they
talked about they wanted the dog and that was gonna
make me raise another dog. Them little dudes weren't doing nothing,
So you know what I'm saying, no more animals.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
I got, what's up? Man? You didn't get a dog
and didn't give it away? Dig Joe? I mean, look,
I didn't get the dog. I mean, yeah, the dog
is great. It was a great family. It's a great family.
Great family, Joe, Joe. I can't. I can't never just
(53:24):
get a yes. No Joe, I can't. I can't.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, you that dude, I'm not that dude, debo. But
my kids asked for the dog. I already had a
dog when I was younger. I didn't feel like raising
another dog, and I was raising another dog. Joe loved
the dog, and I didn't have enough. Look at this, noo,
sir think I want? Well, I didn't want a snake,
(53:52):
but I got a snake I didn't want. I definitely
didn't want a beard of dragon, but I got a
bearded dragon.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
And now I'm the one washing that and clipping the toenails.
See look, but look, see this is what I'm gonna do.
This is my thing. It's not the dog's fault. I
don't want to have to be.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
I'm gonna give all of my attention to bringing my
kids picking them up from school.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Still I'm doing drop off pickup. I love it. You
know the joy they get from coming home to seeing
the dog that you got.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Them, that people to come home to enjoy the time
with me. We're gonna have a blast. Do you know
I built I built yet last night debo. I built
a hell Cat lego with Joey four hundred pieces hell
Cat last night.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Hell Cat leto Green and Black, four hundred piece leg That.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
Much time you could have saved if you just had
that dog and said here, go walk the doggie.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
No, that's what I call quality time. Quality time with
my self, that's what you call quality. But you can't
have the quality time with your son and the dog.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Huh no, because he's gonna be pooping and then baby
trying to bite up my shoes and smelling up my house.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Not in a bad way, but like dog, this is
my home. I don't want my house smell like dog.
I ain't gotta smell like dog. That's dirty.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
People, the dog, the dog that over there. When now
I gotta go walk the dog. My son ain't gonna
go walk the dog. I told him, Son, walk the dog.
And I come home and there's a little bit of
dog poop in my closet behind my shoes.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
So I'm like, oh, whose dog is this? Who's gonna
be watching this dog? It pooped in my closet.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
See like I ain't just I'm like, now I got
another whole kid walking around without a diaper on, pooping,
biting up my shoes.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
You don't, You don't, canno. Even when you're gone, you
ain't even letting get out of being a puppy. It
sounded like to me, Joe, how long did oh my god, Joe,
come on, how long did you keep the dog for?
Speaker 3 (55:47):
You gave it away? And then I the dog is
having a blast pictures of the what the dog is?
You ain't answer the coln, the teeth, the dog for
like a year, for a year, he wouldn't even.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
For a year. What kind of dog was it? Joe, Joe, Yes,
it was a teaket it was. It was a little dog.
Oh my god, it was a pocket dog. And you
could have carried him everywhere.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I don't need I don't know, I don't know what.
I'm not walking around with a lap dog. I don't
need a lap dog. I don't want a lap dog.
I don't want a lap dog either. That's the reason
I won't get one. See, I don't allow my dogs
on my furniture. I don't allow him in my bedroom
or actually he dying, so I kind of allow him
in there.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Now that's the only reason, though. But I don't allow
in my bed or nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
Now that's one reason I keep big dogs, because I
really believe that I may get soft and allow something
that's you know, don't shed One of those hype were
allegenic type dogs, and I beat a mess.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Around and let him on my couch. But also when
I walk my dog, I don't want to feel like
I gotta fight for him. Against another dog. So I
got a kid. You don't know he can hold his own.
You know, I ain't never trying to fight for my
dog I had.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
I had a rock Waller growing up, and I had
a cane corso, so I know about the big dogs
and I love those dogs. Those are my favorite dogs
in my life. Those were great dogs. So I'm not
not against dogs at all. You're against dogs that you
got to take care of. I just I already took
care of those dogs when I was a kid, and
my kids aren't doing it. They making me do the
(57:44):
same thing I did when I was a kid, and
I'm cool now.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
I already did that. I already know my dogs.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
I love my dog Joe, Bappy, Bappy, love you Bappy,
my rock Waller that I had when thirty years ago.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yup, no, I had back, yep, thirty about that. Yep.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
I had baby from six to twelve, and then I
had Sugar from about thirteen to about not like about
twenty one, and they and they passed away.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
But those are great dogs. Man. We got we got,
I guess some super chests right here.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
We got Richard Rubin donated two bucks instead throw the
snake at ocean.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
We don't get the man it killed my snake, then
I really have to.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Go ahead and catch a case. Ain't it ain't even
my snake, you say, I say, my snake is actually
my son's. It's my it's my snake. Now, I ain't tripping.
It's my snake. Now that's what it's Go be bro.
Listen here, Joe. I want you to have a good time,
you know, over there going to see the Stellers, I
(58:52):
mean the Brown Sorry you didn't.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
Go see the Steelers. I watched that game.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I was up right now, Okay, I'm just saying you
didn't travel there. I mean that's shows you have more
dedication there. The same reason you didn't travel. We had
other things, like I said, Like I said, I.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Didn't go to any game overseas that wasn't for anyone.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
And if I could have went for the Stealers and
still made my commitments out would have.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
Now we want to thank you guys for joining us
for the de boat as Joe episodes.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
I don't know, man, we're.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Getting get listen to make sure y'all hit the light
button and subscribe.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
We need you. We won't you and you don't want
to miss.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Nothing, Joseph, come on, make sure continue to like, continue
to subscribe, and thank you guys. We need you, guys,
We love you, guys, appreciate you for watching the show.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
Let's get it out, Pat,
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