November 7, 2025 • 62 mins
Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos beat Geno Smith and the Las Vegas Raiders. Later, they preview the Pittsburgh Steelers matchup vs. the Los Angeles Chargers, Antonio Brown's arrest, and much more NFL news ahead of Week 10 of the 2025 season.
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00:00 - Broncos beat Raiders
24:15 - Aaron Rodgers address WRs targets
29:55 - Rome Odunze’s Father calls out Bears offense
38:00 - Dolphins remove games in locker room
43:00 - Steelers Chargers preview
48:29 - Browns x Jets preview
50:30 - Deebo & Joe Midseason Awards
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome back to Debo and Joe.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with
my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure your liking subscribe.
You don't want to miss nothing. How you're doing the day.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Joe doing lovely, Brother, Debo lovely. Always good to be
here with you, my brother. Talk this good football. Always
always listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man. We go go ahead and get straight into it.
The Broncos went on here and beat the Raiders. Yes,
and yeah, the Broncos beat the Raiders, but I really
felt like it was like, you know, it was just
too offense, Like, yo, I.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Don't want to win. You want to win. Yeah, I
don't want to win. You want to win, Yeah, you
can have it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't want That's what I felt like. That's what
it looked like. I understood why. You know, the Raiders
couldn't score difference. Defense is good and they offense is trash,
and you know Vegas is defense is me and and
I guess the Broncos offense is mid.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So they kind of like just cancel each other out.
You know, That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, Raiders get out there on the first drive
and they you know, they move the ball and they
get I think it's a false start on like the
second down, then get sacked on the third down, and
the punter comes out there, dude and nails a fire punt.
Dude angs it out at the two yard line. Bro
(01:24):
like talking about possessions, get making, making them have to
go the long way. Dad, that's wild. That was a
perfect punt. You can't get no better than Actually take
that back. He did get better than that later, but
we'll get to that. Yeah, Denver, get out there.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They busted three and out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
They don't they don't do nothing, they don't drop and
then they punter goes and shanks the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dude, he give them the ball. I think it was
at the Denver forty one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Bro. Raiders get out there. Somehow they're able to capitalize
on it. They complete a third and ten and I
think the next third down, dude ran it in for
a touchdown. Day up seven and yeah, they up seven
and nothing. I'm like, okay, cool, Maybe they you know,
(02:16):
maybe they gonna be able to put up some points
with short field. They was able to get it because
it's a short field that yeah, yeah, they was able
to get it capitalized with the short field. Denver, get
back out there, and dude, like second down, he gets
sacked like I'm talking coverage sack Like DB's got them.
Bore was locked up like they in you know, solitary confinement.
(02:37):
You ain't got nobody in there but you and them.
And dude dropped the pass on the third down, Like
how you he ain't he ain't getting that many too,
you know, you go ahead and drop it now, y'all
got to point the rock, m dude.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The Raiders gone ahead and I think it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Was a second down. They break one for like thirty two,
bro holding penalty, Bring it back, Bring that on back here.
That boy was it bonita. He went ahead and got that,
got that sack on the third down, and then they
punter her. That's when they punterer. He goes and drops
the ball. When they go to punt it. He got lucky.
(03:17):
Wasn't nobody there. If they was rushing that dude, they
would have got to him for sure. Oh yeah, no
question about it. Dude, Denver, get the ball back first
play holding They get a holding pennel on the first play.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Them boys went like five three and outs in a row.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Dude, they had so many penalty That's that's one of
the demest issues too, Like they just they got they
get penalties.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And then second down thirty two, dude, he dropped a
pick that that Nicks threw straight into his hands.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Bro, like that, you should have been a bout of there.
You gotta have that. You gotta have that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He got lugged or they ain't getting nowhere, no way.
They tried to jump them off on fourth down. Get
the punter back, hey man. That punter, dude, that punter
for Denver, he like he hits another one. Like, dude,
I don't they might they might end up like.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I don't know. Yes, dude, that's know what I'm saying.
To give him. They got to give him a raise.
He was spending. He needs some video game. Yes, it
was like on the video game. Bro, when you go
to those little punt things, you're trying to hit him
in the corner, you put back spin on it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
He's hitting them things perfectly. No, no, you too. You're
thinking of the Raiders guy. The Denver dude stinks, he sinks,
he sinks another He's shank that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
One, dude. Never do the Denver dude stinks man.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
He's shaying you you're thinking the next about the next dude?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, yeah, you think Raiders get it?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They gone ahead and they hit the tight end on
that third down for I think it was like thirty
thirty one yard or something like that. Like that was
I believe that was the last third down they completed
that whole rest of that game, dude. I think I
think the next third down they tried a quarterback sneak.
How you try a quarterback sneak on third down? And
(05:14):
it's like two yards? Dude, like what is what is
you thinking?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And then they couldn't get it no other way.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They couldn't get it that way, bron Then.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You go and you go for it on fourth down.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You get the touchdown, but you get that call back,
you get an offensive PI. And that's when Punder said,
you know what, I ain't tripping. Let me going out here.
I'm gonna put that on that thing, drop that thing
right there, and told the ball just jump over there
at the half lard line. Yes, now he need a raise.
(05:51):
The other dude, I don't even know if he go bet.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
There might not have got yet. He might have to
stay there exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Dem came right back out there. They doing another three
and out. Because second down, dude, just letting him tackle.
You're running your uh you your receiver while you're blocking him.
That has to be the more like that's crazy, he
little brother, Look both of you, I'm gonna hold you
and then I'm gonna tackle you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Come on, man, you're in your in your punter.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Go back out there, trash another trash punt. I think
he might have had. He might have been a double agent,
might have been working for the Raiders. He might have
had some black and silver own up under that white orange.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, man, that somebody got to watch his Yeah. The
Raiders get back out there. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They get a first down completion that is taken away
because dude stepped out of bound.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So they got an illegal illegal touching on that one.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And then on second down, I think the receiver, like
I think Gonneda called that one. He was like, yeah,
y'all running this, I'm gonna be sitting here waiting to
give you this four or five yard loss.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, y'all, y'all gonna here, and y'all gonna here and
take that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Second them boys up, dude, Fourth down it was a
sack because they're running back.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
How you missed that? Billitz? Pick up? Bro?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, how do you miss that? It's like it's that's
in your job.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I don't know who is. I don't know. Like the
quarterback knew it immediately, like yo, yo, you're supposed to
be supposed to have him. What is you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Never get the short field. Now they finally got a
little bit of field positions. Dobbins went on ahead and
hit him with thirteen on that first one. Then they
get a holding on the next play. Somehow they complete
a second in like twenty. They get like almost forty
because Jamal Adams, I'm looking like he's spying from what
(07:56):
I'm seeing, nicks and breaks out. You could tell because
as he at Crosby as he goes, I almost said
Sydney across yeahs. As he goes and he spends the corner,
he's looking. He sees the dude breaking and he's like okay,
and then he see ain't nobody there. He's like, what's
(08:16):
going on? He ended up throwing one right there. They
got what about forty on that when the next time
I think he threw one, it was about a seven
yard touchdown. They ended up seven seven. Now it's a fight.
They in a true fight. Raiders come out there. They
gone ahead, get popped on set on first and third down,
they get sacked on first hand, third down punt the rock.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Don't nobody want to win. It's bad ball, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It was bad ball all the round. Dude like that,
that's bad ball. Den'tver get back out there. He should
have had that completion on that first Dude drops the
ball like they just they was dropping the ball. They
wasn't catching the ball. They was having too many penalties.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They get another PI on third down on this one.
Dude pushed off. They catch him on that one. Somehow
they complete like a third and long, and then Nick
goes head and throw that thing and the double courage
and say, you know, I know it's only second down,
but hey, I'm gonna toss it up there anywhay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that's just that, that's just that was that was bad.
That's just a terrible play. You're trying to get points
on the board before halftime, and it's second down. You
still got another play to live. He was obviously covered
and you just threw the ball far for no reason.
So like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it's only second down, man, throw it out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That might have been forth for something. I had to
look maybe I was lost. No, man, that was a
second down play. You you got to try to get
points there. You haven't been playing. Yeah, get out of bounds.
Let's get another play. Yeah that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, throw away, that's all you have to do. Dude,
like that doesn't make no sense. Raiders, get out there.
Geno throws a beautiful pass down deep ball.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That dude go his head and drops that one. They
end up got to catch the ball. It's hitting you
in the hands. It's on both sides though, like Ginos something.
They weren't playing the best ball, but the receivers ain't
helping them. Like all hands, you gotta catch the joint.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Please, balls get in their hand. They ain't even catch it.
They like, Hey, no, I don't want to win. You win, man,
I don't want to win. You win in the first
half of seven seven, ain't nothing, ain't nothing popping seven seven.
Third quarter they come out there, Denver gets out there
(10:35):
in the first play, they get.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
A yes, bro, non discipline. Hey, in starting behind the sticks,
you make plays in the flask. Come how you gonna
get anything going, no question, dude, three and out they
punt the ball. Rader said, you ain't go out to
us were going three and out two?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know what I'm saying, you three and all us
than the weekend three and our two. Then get back
in there. They started moving the ball down the field
a little bit, dude, like first eight players. I think
they had like six runs for about twenty five twenty six,
even though it was just a quarterback sneak. And then
it was two passes for about twenty yards. And then
(11:17):
as soon as the night play hit them, boys said, hey,
we gotta do something to self destruck.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You gotta slow this thing down. Slow this thing down.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Falls start fast, start, falls start. Even though they got
to fall start, you know, but it's like what second
and eight something like that. Even though they got to
fALS start, they end up getting seven yards third and one.
What is the receiver pass for at third and one?
(11:49):
Why are you trying to do that? It's third and
one and you get sacked, so you move back. Then
you gotta kick a field goal and you miss the
field goal? Are you calling a receiver pass on third
and one?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right there? When all we gotta do is just keep
this thing moving. We're moving the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No, no, no, that's trying to he's trying to outsmart yourself.
Then you do dumb things instead of doing the normal thing.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Like yeah, I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Then again they missed the field goal seven seven for
they just get the ball back. They said, hey, you
ain't go out through us. We know y'all gotta gone ahead. Nah,
help y'all a little bit. Jenty went on head and
he said, I don't even gonna catch this tip here,
take it right off the shield.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
First first, right off his shield. Hit him dead in
the face. Here, take this crazy yeah, Like that's just yeah.
So something when I talked about like bow Knicks play
bad whatever, like his stats undred fifty yards, Gino Smith bad.
But these they're not getting helped. You're the ball like
like take away to pick. It's like self inflicted wounds. Buddy,
(13:01):
I hit you in the face mask with the rock.
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's not my bad,
but it's a pick on Gino. So that's not good. Yeah,
then come back out there. They do another three and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Out because either Nicks ain't get the ball off in
time or something was gonna happen if you threw it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They get it.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They get a PI because they start blocking before the
screen get get get into his hands. Yeah, they punt
the rock Raiders get it back Gino. Don't get the
ball pass the line of scrimmage on the second down,
they getting an intentional.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Grounding and then they go and get their punk block.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like this dude, Like y'all, y'all, this dude been dropping
that thing in there for all y'all all night, and
then y'all let his punt give blocked.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It wasn't even like it like a tip by, Like
you kicked the man all up in the face with
the ball. Yeah, yeah, know for sure hurt his leg,
Like I don't even I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Don't even know what, Like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody want
to block on the play like special teams was in
only too, Like no, we ain't gonna let the offense.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They all they we all gotta watch their ladies man,
and we all go be we all go get a
part of this. So now, oh no, it's a crazy thing.
Though Denver gets the ball on.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The Vegas twelve yards yard line.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They go four players and end up attempting a field
goal from the fourteen.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yes, debo, you go backwards two yards, you go four
players negative two them boys said, I'm out do you.
I'm a lose yard. That's just bad ball. I'm gonna
lose yards. Yeah, making the field goal.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Man, it is ten to seven, and now we got
the offense. Raiders go three and now you ain't go
out do me. Back with her three and now you
ain't go out do me. The Raiders get out there, buddy,
and I think they go twenty five. I think it
(15:05):
was first down in nineteen and then uh, I think
it was third down? Was that the next third down?
They get sacked on that next third down? Right, yep, yep, yeah,
because they ain't complete no more third downs after the
second quarter. They gotta punt the rock Denver they get
(15:25):
the ball back, they said, hey, we're gonna return the
favorite baby tip third down to the past interception.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I mean it. It's hitting people like the flesh
pads is like, dang catch the bra like and but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They can't get too frustrated because it ain't like they
always putting it on them.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But I'm like, yo, but you wanted to get there, Come.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
On, get like, now you're going to make excuse that
you're not used to seeing the ball see a good
path that damn rock?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What you doing? Hit me in my hand? I don't
know in my hand I was low.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, No, they got to catch there, you know, they
got to catch.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Them man, they tripping man. Catch the easy ones. Man.
So raiders. They started I think with the dimmer, what
thirty forty five forty five?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Then then it uh, I think they only get like
fifteen yards on five player or so, and they go
for a forty eight yard field goal, dude, and striking
distance and listen they get it. I am right right now,
I'm like, yo, I am like, I hope they do
not make this fit. I'll be going to wash this
(16:38):
whole game, to sit here and have a tie and
be done. Wasted my whole night on the tie. Like,
give me some type of satisfaction. Somebody show me somebody lose.
Can somebody get out of here some thank you, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You were glad that that man missed the field goal
and they got the rock back mm hmm. But it
just do their thing, get it out of there, no question,
no question, Dinver get the ball back.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think they get like eighteen on the third and
one that picks up a first down, and then cross
we got an encroachment that dropped it to a first
and five. That went to a second and one, and
then the Raiders started to have to use their timeouts.
Then it was third and one next to the quarterback sneak.
(17:29):
Next they get a first down. I think they might
have handed it off one more time and then they
kneeled the rest of.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The game out.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Dude. That was a Although I like gang, yeah, although
I like defense, it was no defense.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It was just a horrible offenses defense to me, let
me take it back. It was good defense.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but like players where you were like, yo, I'm
seeing fifty thousand players they could have made. I'm seeing
pendleys that that that stopped plays, that stopped drive, that
took away points, you know all that stuff. Like they
were like they got issues, bri They need to improve everything.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They talking about they need to improve early and do
better early. No, man, y'all look like y'all need to improve.
The whole night when I sat back and I was,
you know, I was doing some little research looking at it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I guess they have a big issue.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
On their first and second downs what they call early
down success rate. I guess the thirty two on early
down success rates or successful downs early so they call
successful place exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I had to look yeah, so I had to look
that up.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So I was wondering, like what what what a successful
you know for first and second down? Yes, when you
look it up, it tells you that you got to
gain forty percent of the yards that is needed on
first down. Okay, and if it's second down, you have
to get sick sixty percent of the yards that is
(19:02):
needed to get to the first down. So basically I
make first and ten, you need to get four yards.
You need four yards. If it's second and ten, you
need six yards. So you know, okay, same thing, like
you get behind the chains. If it's first and twenty,
you need eight yards. Say you get that eight yards.
Now it's second and twelve. Then on that second and
(19:25):
twelve you would need like a little over nine and
a half yards. Put you at a manageable like youpecally
keeping ahead of the sticks right right.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right, So like they need to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They need chunks, dude, They like they don't throw the
ball downfield I think I saw where like even on
that same thing they were saying, like on the early downs,
he's like seventy percent of his passes are within five yards.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Of the line of scrimmage, the dink and dump.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah yeah, thinking note and then like, dude, he like
he needs to improve period, Like he needs to get
better with his decision making, his accuracy. The I mean
even hell, maybe the calls too, like y'all, y'all making
some questionable cause maybe yeah, something different that's go help him.
The penalties is killing them. The negative all them negative
(20:19):
players is killing them. Like they need they need a
more consistent run game. Like the offense, dude, the offense
needs everything. Yeah, that's what it seems like to me.
What what what do you take?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I take you saying exactly what I'm saying and what
I'm saying I'm seeing. The offense is out there struggling,
and they've been struggling now for a lot of weeks.
But they have a real they have an elite defense.
The defense not only just plays good versus the Raiders,
but they've been playing good kind of this this whole year.
They gotta be able to the offense needs to do
more of a more of a run game, more of
(20:53):
a more of a pass game. They got to catch
the ball when it's open, like you said, getting ahead
of the sticks. But I was just really impressed with
the defense being able to stay out there, being able
to make plays, being able to create turnovers, and Broncos
just offense not being able to get first downs. You're
going for three and out for the first four or
five possessions in the row, like and then penalties to
(21:14):
eleven penalties like, you can't you can't keep hurting yourself,
so the stuff self inflicted ones. That also is why
the success rate on first and second down isn't good.
If you're starting off at first and fifteen, you know
what I'm saying, you got to gain a lot more
yards than just.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That behind the changes already, and you know it smashes
down the playbook.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mm hmm. When you when you going there and you.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Got that you know, you at that that range of
that that second and six or less, like, you got
a lot more playable that you can use, you know
what I'm saying, Especially when you're able to you know,
be able to run the ball. I'm feeling people understand,
like being able to successfully and can you know and
consistently run the ball opens up so much, especially like
for past game, you know, play action stuff like that.
(21:57):
You know when you can, when you can successfully and
you know, continuously like run the ball like it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It just it just makes everything opens up so much
stuff for you. And like you said, two dbo in
self inflicted penalties, if you're not that good and you
just can't make chunks and you just can't do things
a certain way, don't set yourself up to already when
you do make a play, you get back by holding.
You know what I'm saying. Your dudes are open and
you drop the damn ball, like catch these passes, don't hold,
(22:26):
you know what I'm saying. Some of these players that
we do get let these actually be first downs, so
self inflicted wounds on their offense, holdings, passing apferences and
then dropping passes. So the offense definitely not looking good.
The defense is just holding them down, just making making plays,
you know what I'm saying, creating turnovers, the defensive line
getting after the quarterbacks, not making Geno sack them six
(22:49):
times like they would beat us up. They weren't giving
them time to throw. So if you got dbs out there,
and then the best player the corner of number two
deuce Duce for the Denver Broncos he's not even out
there right now, so they doing it with well with
a backup corner. So if they get him back in there,
moscus be playing right like they. I really like Denver's defense,
(23:09):
the offense. They just gotta not hurt theirselves. Both nicks
not throwing the ball down field. It's just a lot
they got to figure out looking the mirror. But it's
always better when you can go to practice and study
this tape when you won the game, you know what
I'm saying, and then lose the game.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yes, yes, it feels better to fix your your your
mess ups on a win, does you know, on a loss.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So they've been doing a lot of fixing with some wins.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So I mean that's that's that's not like they're.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Doing too bad. But there's other teams that you can't
just be playing like this when teams are gonna be
able to score points on you like big time.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, for sure, receivers got to catch the rock. They
got to get the rock to him. Speaking of receivers,
my guy Aaron Rodgers responded on if his receivers wanted
more targets, do we have that video? Can you play
the video? Because this little the video gives you a
whole lot more content. And so he says, if somebody
(24:09):
wants more targets, I welcome the conversation. Usually I say,
let's watch the film, let's see let's talk about football.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I love doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The thing young players learn is that practice, it is very,
very important.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And when you show it weekend and week.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Out in practice, it gives a quarterback a lot of
confidence to come your way when it's football time. He
also said, he also said some other things, but like,
how do you feel about this? What do you what
do you think he's saying? Or do you what's your
what's your feeling from this? Hold?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
First, let me ask you, let me ask you this one,
D But let me get let me see how you
feel about this one first. I want your perspective.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, I don't have a problem with it, because if
you watched and listened to the whole thing, He's basically
saying that if he sees it in practice, you do
it in practice, you do it effectively, I'll have confidence
in you and I'll get the ball to you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But he also in that same conversation says.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That sometimes I can't get the ball to you, and
sometimes we don't get the ball to those guys, and
that no one is complaining about that, and everybody understands that,
and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So I'm cool with it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's why if we had the whole thing, you would
actually be very very cool with it. The response, to
be honest with you, do I think that response is
about a minute forty.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Aaron Rodgers response, Yeah, okay, so this is what I
would say. I appreciate Aaron Rodgers response. You know what
I'm saying, because I don't think he's trying to throw shade.
He's really if you're open and let's let's talk about it.
I'm the quarterback. I'm not trying to not get people
the ball for any reasons. And we can make these
conversations in practice. You can show me like boom on this.
(26:07):
You know when your heads whooped around on time, you're
getting your head around on time. You're ready for the
past to be presented to you.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Oh and that was that was something else he was saying, like, Yo,
it may not get to you because the coverage that
we're looking for is not the coverage that it's going
to be successful in. You know what I'm saying, Like,
that's why I said, like, yeah, keep going.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Though, No, No, for sure, I appreciate that because it's
the quarterback and have in conversations that you can go
and watch tape with the DBS. You can let him
know your progressions. Not every time you're the one that's
supposed to be getting there. It may be getting set
up for this. Look. You know what I'm saying, if
this that look, so being able to have that talk
with your quarterback, Like no, if we get this look
this man and man and me and you got this thing,
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you know what's coming to you. You want the ball there.
You're showing me in practice, you're understanding, you're doing all
the right things. You're on your spots, so I can
trust you to be there at any time. So long
just me and you. I want he needs rapport if
you can show it to me. I'm a rob. I'm
not not trying to score touchdowns. Trust me. I want
us to be as successful as possible. And if that
means getting you to rock a little bit more, like,
(27:06):
let's talk about it. I can show you where opportunities
where I can get it to you where I'm looking for,
you know what I'm saying. So I think it's all
good because he wants to win games. He's a great quarterback.
A great quarterback doesn't want to get the ball. He
doesn't not want to get the ball to his receivers.
So just having conversations and speaking like this, where let's
get into it, let's talk. Let's watch tape that just
(27:27):
like this. Yes, that's what football players and teams are
supposed to do. If somebody wants the ball, let's talk
about this, like, let's work together. Your goal is to
score touchdowns, and mind the goal is to throw them too,
so our goals can both work together. You know what
I'm saying. Just let's just do it constructively, you know
what I'm saying. So I really appreciate the way Aaron
Rodgers did this. It's professionalism. It's telling him like, look, boom,
(27:48):
we're on the same thing together. Let's go watch his
tape and let's learn like it's important. Like Abra, I
can tell him what he's looking for and he can
show him to him in practice. So I like the
way that they're trying to build relationships and this is
this is a great answer for me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, like it's it's no it's no I in team.
And and when you look at basketball, you know they
were like, it's no I in team, but it's for me.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, it's only five players out there.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
You need guys to do everything that's necessary on that
page to get one assignment done, to make to make
one play successful. And I think now a lot of
these receivers are just so worried about what their numbers are,
what this is, what that is, the concept of a
football team is to win Lombardies, So we gotta win games.
(28:33):
How can you be upset if you're winning games, if
you're not winning games and you feel like you can
go in there and if you had got more catches,
more touches that they figured out a way to get
the ball to you, you could you could have made
a different outcome. But guys just crying and complaining about
it and we're winning, like and you're still playing. I don't,
(28:54):
I don't. I don't understand that. So you know, now
that's a new age era thing. You know, like when
you go back to when we play, you ain't here
heines Ward complaining about he and getting the Rocky out
there knocking people's jaws loose, little breaking boys jaws blocking
in the run game. You know what I'm saying, No, no, no,
for sure, doing what doing whatever is necessary?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So I think that's like just this this new this
new era. Speaking of that, uh Rome, what's what's his dunes?
I guess his father had something to say about the Bears.
He criticized the Bears. I guess he uh senior, he's junior, Yes,
(29:37):
his dad yeah, so uh he he criticized the Bears,
but the junior he he said, you know, they ain't
got nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know, that's his dad's opinion. What do you what
do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You think you think that's real or you think I mean,
I don't know you're telling me, Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You know how that is debo. You know how this
is some people who have more outspoken parents than others.
Some people's parents know, like at the end of the
day when you in the league and anything that you say,
like Ja Morant's dad, or Ar LeVar and LeVar Ball's dad,
the Balls brother's dad, whatever you say. You know what
I'm saying you know it's gonna be on the media,
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is gonna your son's gonna have to answer about it.
So sometimes how I feel about this stuff is more
you're kind of putting on your kid. You're you're that's
your son. You love your son, You're gonna root for him,
You're gonna want the best of him regardless. But saying
things like this out publicly is gonna make him have
to answer these questions to the media about his dad.
And the whole time is you not your dad loves you.
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Your dad gonna be able to say what he says,
and that's what I would like. You can't control what
comes out of your father's mouth. But at the same time,
you're you're his boy. He's gonna love you to death,
and if he wants to see he sees you not
getting used the right way. He sometimes those guys want
to speak on it, But just know you're putting your
son in a position to answer questions about why his
dad feels this way? Do you feel that way? And
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you have to answer like, no, I'm my own man.
My dad loves me. He thinks I could be able
to make a lot more plays. He thinks you'd be
able to be used a lot better than this. But
I'm in the room. I got to answer these questions.
I'm here, so at the end of the day, like, no,
I don't feel that way. He may feel like he
can get the ball a little bit more, but while
he's playing for the team, he's in that locker room.
He can't make that answer. He can't say that out loud.
(31:21):
And what are you gonna say to his dad? That's
my dad. I love my dad. My dad's his own man.
But no, Dad, shut up. No, your dad's gonna say
what he wants to say because that's your father. But
then you're gonna respect him. Be like, at the end
of the day, that's how dad feels. I can only
speak from how I feel. You know what I'm saying.
So Dad could be talking to his son and knowing
what's going on, but the end of the day, your
dad is your dad.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I look at it like Lonzo Ball, LaVar Ball. I
look at my dad. If my dad were to say
some stuff, I'd be like, all right, Paul, come on, man, But.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's the way my dad feels. That's not the way
I feel, or it could be the way that he feels.
But just doesn't want to put his team out there
like that. Are you what you think? So?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I love that positive answer, But I told you I
got that guy on one shoulder, and I got a
white angel guy with wings on the other shoulder. If
my daddy was a social media guy, he's not with us.
I would have definitely used him if I was in
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that position where I felt like I needed to get
the ball more and they was go look at my
daddy's social media to vent my frustrations, that is, any
frustrations that everybody could see from me playing the game
(32:42):
on the field, not in the locker room or with
the coaches. I'm gonna use him as my middle man.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I can get off my chest what I want to say.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, I don't believe that when they come to me.
You know what, I'm tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What you're gonna tell d I ain't got no control
over my daddy said, that's my daddy. I don't feel
that way. Now listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.
If I said my daddy said, or my mama said,
I ain't gonna say I'm lying, but I gotta put
(33:23):
it off on somebody and they told me it was
okay for me.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
To do that, So dude, I need it. Debo, you
are funny. So but for for though you.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You you would if you had, if you had a problem,
if you were let's put you say you would do
that right.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And you don't feel like you're getting the rock?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Would you tell you about the If he was on
Twitter and was like, well you like man pop, go
ahead let them know like I need to be getting
the piel. Listen, hold on, let y'all see my eye
because I'm a little bright.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But hey, I'm gonna tell my daddy privately.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Say everything I say for you verbatim, and then add
some other stuff in there that I.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wouldn't say that is out of character.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So they don't think it's me all the way Okay,
And then listen, Daddy, I love you know I love you?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I love you too, Son, I love you. Hey.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And when and when they come ask me, no, I'm
gonna have to do not yes, son, of course.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, I'm your daddy. I got you. Hey, what you think?
What you think? What you think? Marvin Senior did his
son did know for show? For share?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Hey, listen, I think it's they playing chess over there
for you to go and yell and scream about it. Uh,
chess movies. How your daddy do it? And your daddy
Marvin Harrison. That Martin Harrison got gold jacket that carried.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now, with social media, everybody want to talk and have
a word. So if you got a parent that's on
social media, and you a guy that's.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
On I do so put it out there.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Hey, And you know what, I'm gonna even help him
because before he do it, I'm gonna make sure I
started tagging my daddy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Hey, my daddy right here. We here, we there?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So you pumping this ground, Hey, I'm I'm pre I'm
pre pumping for the dumping.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, you pre pumping you.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm just saying, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta read
and I'm just playing. Dad was advocate right here right now.
I wouldn't do that, being and and you know, be
in a position that I am right now, and and
and having my relationship with my lord said I wouldn't
do that right now. But old James, Oh, my daddy
(35:47):
would do it. My daddy wouldn't do it. My daddy
was normally I talked to your face kind of kind.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Of guy here.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But now listen, No, I ain't gonna say nothing else
because I'm gonna mess around and yeah, no, nope, I
ain't about to give him no information.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But that's why I'm saying I think he does. I
think he downplayed it, though, bro, because I honestly would
have think that his dad's gonna say whatever his dad
wants to say. I don't think he told his dad
to say it. I ain't saying he told his dad
to say it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I'm pretty sure that you're venting your frustrations about
how that is and ain't using you.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah you already here, Yeah, no for show for show
for show. But I'm saying that. But but then, what's
the difference thing of you putting it out then you
having your daddy put it out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Because I am not now a discrinal receiver employee.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah. My
daddy looking at it, he's saying, he got right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm good, I'm happy, I'm I'm I'm doing what's necessary.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
What I like more talking. Listen, we're playing. This is
what it is. I got the.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Story out, I got talking. Now look we're talking. Yeah,
you're right. You're right, hey, And he.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Did the right thing. He asks it the right way too,
So clean Romany's clean everything clean, and he clean he
the thing clean boy cleaned in the board of health.
You're correct, Depo. If that's the way he did it,
he don't fool me. Hey, that boy said, I'm playing checkers. Hey,
you playing checkers? He playing chess. He playing chess, Baby, Yeah,
(37:24):
playing chests. Baby. That's that's you know, that's that's really
all this to it, young boy got man, Yes he did.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm telling you that the game doesn't The game doesn't change, baby,
the boys doing things different the games, Dolphin said, you know,
they don't remove they would Is.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
It a popper shot a basketball game from the locker room? Hey, listen,
I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You this right here though, Yes, on these on these
games like being in like locker rooms and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with all that stuff.
You're removed.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I actually have a problem with it, Like you're not
here to have fun at work, Like we're not here
to manufacture other things that it is not work that
is fun for you. You should have a job that
is fun. That way, when you go to work. You're
having fun and you get paid to do it. No, Like,
(38:23):
when did this start? Where we gotta go to when
we go to work, we gotta have something fun, you know,
when we come in, we have something fun for the employees.
They come in and it's a sucker and it says,
have a great day, just the back end.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Day. You're here to work. That's it. I spend a note.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Huh, listen, you want to work, get the work done,
Go ahead, get all the listen bonus structure just like yo,
you know how much sure the appreciation of what you're
doing to me for me?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Hey man, Christmas bones and stuff like that. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Here to put the basketball game in here, because now
you know what that fifteen minute break y'all supposed to
get done turned into thirty running late. That that that
that forty five minute lunch done turned into an hour
fifteen if you're lucky. And then if you lost, you're
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trying to get back there immediately. You know, if I lose,
I get that as long as I can. I can't
leave work with the loss. Boy, ain't even think about
the job no more. They talking about man I'm tooing
one against so and so.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Man. Yeah, I gotta get back in there. They can't
see me in ping pong, can't.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
See me in the ping pong man, the lead hoop
on the back of the thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I'm wet with that jumper. The boy said, it's what
that don't matter. That's what I'll do. I'm with you
one thousand. The main thing is the main thing. When
we go in there, you need to have like I
want to have.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You got hot tubs, cold tubs? Do we have nutritionists?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Those are the main things in the main that's.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
What they need to do.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Stop getting these little teeny penny games and get real
help in there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's that's really there's one when you come in there
and you start getting like the facility is for the
main thing is you're going to be doing recovery as
long as they have all nice recovery facilities. Like there's
no time honestly for games or like we can go
do that after at the crib. Dude, that's where you
get paid this dose that we have a nice house.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I might got no tables, it's no real time you're
in the facility here. We could be sitting here together eating,
talking about whatever it is. The game plan is adjustments
are all that getting short on everything that you have
going on instead of sitting.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I mean, I want you It's no, it's not you're
not You're in there. And when you're in the facilities,
Like you know what I'm saying, Devo, you got there's meetings,
there's there's things that you're doing you should there's things
that you could be doing at all times until you
all time join. There's no real time where you all right, bet,
now I'm going to go play unless you're not eating,
you know what I'm saying. Or instead you're not eating,
(41:17):
you should be doing some recovery getting ready for practice.
Like there's no real time. Everybody's all right, Bet, I
got thirty recovery play that's it. No, I don't have
thirty minutes to go play pool. We got practice coming up.
But after practice, we have a meeting and then I'm
going to go home, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's like what nobody's in the facility after everybody's gone.
(41:37):
But like wouldn't you like go to the house or
like you know what I'm saying, Like that's when hopefully
you've been there all damn day, not standing here to
play pool. I'm going home to go play pool or
go see my kids. Like we've been here all day
doing the job. And it's that's what you do there,
you work and then when you leave, you go, you
go play. You can go do what you want to do.
But in the facility, I'm so with like the extra
(41:59):
curriculous stuff. It's mainly do we have we need fix
our hot tubs and cold tubs? You know what I'm saying, Like,
do we have people that can go stretch us? Is
our equipment good? You know what I'm saying. Like, That's
the thing I feel like money or any of that
stuff should be going to like none the other.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's just wasting time. Oh, no question about it, dude,
like that. Yeah I was. I was never really you know,
a fan you know of having the extra you know
stuff in there like this. Uh, it's what it is.
Sunday night, Sunday night. We got Sunday night football, right,
(42:36):
still as charges right yeah, yeah, in La in La
listen here, man, this is what we need the defense
to do. Man, Okay, defense has to go out there
and continue to produce, all right, is the number one
(43:00):
faux five offense. Yes, we have to do the first
things first and that stopped and run. We can't be
trying to fight a two headed monster. Okay, we have
to pressure what is it Herbert?
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The Herbert. We got a pressure Herbert.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Which has gotten a lot easier, or at least a
little easier, because I think they lost a tackle aught
for the season. Okay, so then we gotta show up
our past defense man. We got to limit the big chunks.
Come on, dbs. Have to play tighter and cleaner. No penalties. Nephew,
(43:47):
I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
He about the who, he about the who I'm talking
I'm talking to nephew, little peasy.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You gotta use your feet and take advantage of your
length and your speed. I'm talking directly to you, nephew. Okay,
little peas, I'm talking directly to you. I want to
see you put together a whole, complete game weekend and
week out. And I'm doing this on purpose. You know why,
(44:14):
because I know you your daddy's son. Uh Okay, and
I when I call you out, I put pressure on.
That don't mean nothing to you. The down't do shit
but motivate you.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, And he coming fresh off the he coming fresh off.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The full PBUs pick and a sack, Little Hansie. All
I'm saying is PC got the ability to be all pro.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
He has the skill set to be all pro. I'm
just loving he do that. And take away those little
a little two little Grabby's like in today those question
six past breakups, a pick and a sack, complete game, nephew,
do that.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We need to continue, last, but not least. Mostly we
need to create turnover. Hey, nephew, give me a pick
or too, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I like them to do it. I need a game ball.
If you give me a game ball, baby, I like it.
I like them to do it. And then we need
the same thing man saying, look, do what we did
last week. Can we just run it back? You know
what I'm saying. We need I'm talking about defense. Defense.
IM talking about defense, side of all defense, side of
(45:26):
the ball only strictly minus the penalties. Yeah, minus the
little penalties. But I'm just saying, just stop them run
you know what I'm saying. But now in the past,
take away the chunks. Like you said, take away the
little bit of Grabby's. Take away the chunk plays, the
taking the cheese, the biting the cheese debo. You know
what I'm saying, don't let it come question, drop the
drop off, come up, make the tackles, and we'll be
(45:48):
good to go. Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, we're gonna need the offense now, offensive side offense
to the front line. Start with the front line, man,
Start old and d line man. We need to be
able to do it up front. We gotta need rockets
game well, able to run that ball effectively, Like we
need to have more consistent run games.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Care if it's three four yards in a cloud of
dust that keeps us ahead of the change.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yes, it burns clock, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Like just to play these defense ain't no bombs?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What is they nothing like that? They bring second in
the league and scoring defense. They've only given an eighteen
and a half points a game. Oh my yeah, so
it's not they're not weak. They're not weak at all.
Matter of fact, I think they third against the past.
I think the only thing they what maybe seventeenth in
the run. So we got to take advantage of that.
(46:47):
We got to be up.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
We got to try and take it, like if we
can effectively run the ball again, like. It opens up
the pass game. It opens up the pass game, It
opens up play action. It does it does a lot
of things when you can effectively run the ball, because
now they got to put something down there to try
and stop it. And the biggest thing is no turnovers. No,
(47:09):
we go in there, we do that. Don't wait, We're
gonna come over with the dubna, come away with another dug.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Because we can't. Like you said, we can't be turning
that ball over. Defense gonna keep giving us the ball back.
You know what I'm saying, we win the turnover battle.
We can't. We want to turn a battle by five
and one by seven. So we just got to be
able to offense. Score when you get into the red zone,
even field goal. But we need touchdowns if we can
if we get down there. But definitely don't turn the
ball over field goals, you know what I'm saying. And position.
(47:43):
If you gotta punt that thing, punt it deep. Let's
get it down there because our defense is cold, no question.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Give us room to work with. Come on, give us
room to work with. Hey, hey, Joe, who who the
Browns play?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Hold up? It doesn't matter who are you? Sorry? Mother
sucker is that the Jets. Man, it is Mabe what
y'all go through? Man, what y'all gonna do? You know
what this is? This is This is a joke because
(48:19):
because you because I don't know what we're gonna do,
d Bo. That's why I'm stuttering, Because if I was honest,
I will tell you that you I don't know what
we're gonna do. I'm right now being honest. Right now,
I know one thing. I know what I know what
is gonna happen. Our defense gonna go out there and
ball out. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Miles, Garrett, Ward, the Warden.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
The boys, they gonna go out there and do what
they gotta do. My concern is what are we gonna
do on Oh hopefully if we can run the ball right,
we can run the ball consistently, get junkers out there.
I want to see junkins running it, and I want
to see what Dylan Gabriel if he's gonna help us
or hurt us or is it gonna be your door?
That's basically what it is. He has a game, he
(48:59):
hurts the team.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Dylan out start starting halfway.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm I'm gonna let him two picks by halftime.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Gone yesterday week.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Now it's Debo, two picks by halftime. He's killing us.
He's not just hurting us, he's he's betting on the
other team. He throw two picks in the first half,
He's betting on the Jets. Hold on what one would have?
One is a great player and the other one is
a tip. One is a great player, the other one
is a tip at the table that man. Listen, it's
not meant to be for Dylan. It should have been
(49:40):
a tip. It could have been a tip to the ground,
a tip score. It could have failed in his favor.
Universe speaking. Huh, okay, okay, come on, Debo. Hey, I'm
just asking Joe. You went there, you said two picks.
If he throw two tuddies, he's in there. He's in
there like swimwhere. But you know what I'm saying, he
throws two pick yanked.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, okay, So we're gonna go ahead call that door watch.
All right, we're on your door watch right now, y'all.
That's door watch. That's a fact, yo, Yoe. I need you,
I need your mid season awards. First one is the
no flies on who you got for the best dB
mid season, my.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Best dB mid season. But as Joe head and no
flies on, it's my safety, the safety for the for Chicago. Chicago. Yeah, baby,
for Chicago. Bro. I ain't gonna even lie to you.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know what I'm saying, like, how do you picked up? Yes, Joe, listen, listen.
I always go straight up be like, listen.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't really know. I ain't really own.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
It, but I said, you know what, let me go
look at the stat that counts interceptions.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
M you know what I found. He's leading.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
You know why I went on ahead and did a
little bit, you know, a little bit of the working sauce,
a couple other things.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I say, you know what, he gotta be it and
you know why to though, because not only is he
just getting picks, Bro, it's the way he's doing it.
He's reading the quarterback. They're just not like lucky picks.
They're not just not falling into his lap. He's going
to go getting picks. He's baiting quarterbacks making picks. So
stand up, what is it? Kevin Bayer, Kevin bayerd Kevin Biers. Yes, Bro,
(51:28):
give Kevin by all the love in the world, because
he was doing it when I was out there safety safety.
He's doing it, man, he's doing it. Shout out Bayer.
He's been balling, reading picked reading quarterbacks like books.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
All right, So give me, give me your give me
your best linebacker.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Man, best linebacker. Shout out Brook, Pittsburgh Steelers, p Dug,
P Dug. I'm going pe Dug. I'm going Pete. I'm
going pet Up a linebacker. I like it. I like it.
(52:04):
I like it. The reason why I'm going to pee
up because Peter Up is he's walking people down, He's
making plays in the backfield. He's making plays, athletic plays,
past breakups, jumping up, and he's just around the football
all the time, fourteen tackles.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And I just love his enthusiasm. I love when he walked.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Down the wide receiver showing his speed, his effort and
then just making plays all around his excitingness. He's bawling.
So I'm gonna go with pe Up, little Homer vibe
right there. But I'm gonna give Pete Up some love
because I think he has nowhere to go with better
who were going?
Speaker 2 (52:38):
So I was kind of like in between, like two
people to be honest with you, So like just best linebacker.
You know, I ain't gonna lie, dude, you got dude
for the Giants, Bro Burns bruh yeah right zero putting
numbers out there, bro number zero, Yes, Bro, you're putting
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on dude.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Man got left sad.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
He got fifteen quarterback hisits dude, like h dude, he
got forty two total tackles. Along with that, he got
five pass defenses and two forced fumbles. Man, he impacted
everything like best, like he's doing it all. I know
they they record ain't showing that and all that.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
But I was also looking at.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Tamarine Edmonds like yes, yes for the band, lie, but
you know me, I'm a I'm a I'm a sack guy.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
He got four picks too. He got about seventy on both.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Five almost seventy five tackles, dude, Like like you know,
like this is doing it Like I lost a.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Sack guy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Like, So, if I had to go with the inside
matter of fact, I would go, yeah, there it is,
if I had to go with that, but.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, it was. It was a toss up, but I went.
I went. I went with the New York guy.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
But like I said, for May's he there, he there, Hekay?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Who you got four overall defensive MVP man right now?
Starting over, I gotta go with the man that's halfway
to twenty. Uh my boy, Miles Garrett thirty one tackles,
ten sacks, force fumble, and I think he's just on
pace right now. I'll get twenty sacks. So him doing that,
him going out there hooping out, he's still on pace.
(54:34):
Shout out Miles with ten sacks right now, you know,
leading the league. I mean, it's just he's just he's
just a beast. He's not leading, dude, leading the league?
Got eleven?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Oh, we must have just played or something. Well, Miles
is two and he deserved to be one.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
That's why. That's why Miles a game last ten sacks one.
They trying to double and triple and that's a little
harmer played by you, but I understand it.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Oh but my overall, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Who you going to have to go with? Nick Bonito?
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
That man has nineven have sex mm hm twenty quarterback
hits thirty two total tackles and his play is affecting
the wins of his team in two Okay, and not
only are they seven and two. They are number to
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defense in the NFL. Who's number three? Cleveland just under
were just number one under ninety two yards of game rushing,
one hundred and eighty passing. Okay, it's got a limit
to a guy who's play MVP. Not but my play
(55:56):
is so valuable to my team multi most valuable player.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
His though his player.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Stellar, has not been valuable enough to get them wins.
That's why I would give it to Nick.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I can respect that over over over my area. Yeah,
who is your best overall defense? Are you asking me this?
Do you do? You do? You? You know what I'm
gonna say. You know who I'm gonna say, Debo and yeah,
go why what do you mean? Why? What do you mean? Why?
(56:36):
They were number one and all of a sudden they
much have just changed the three something I don't know,
but they were. They were number one. They've been hooping.
The offense hasn't been giving them anything that keeps them
on the field. They're fighting for their lives. I'm gonna
say that the number one defense, and it just has
to be sorry that that that we have the worst offense.
So the Browns defense number one. Miles Garrett Denzel Ward
(56:58):
Dey'll pick. The boys are balling. They've been balling all year,
but it sucks when you can't when you keep repeatedly
being out there, so you need somebody can use. Guys
right back, I thought your back. You know what I'm saying.
You don't hear the Browns complaining about, Oh no, our
offense isn't doing anything. They're not doing. I want to
say that even though they're not.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
I don't know how you drop in ratings on a
bye week and on the defense I could see on offense,
I don't see how many other defenses.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Other defenses balled out and played very, very very much.
But the Browns are number three now.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
The overall number one defense in the league statistically is
actually Houston. Okay, okay, I think that's where the.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
The the numbers are. So with that being said, Houston
is what three and five they lost?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
I think four of the five games they lost by
seven points or fewer, which to me, I think says
you may be the number one ready defense, but when
it comes time to either stop or make game winning plays, you're.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Not doing it.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So again I'm looking at Denver as the number two defense,
who is now a league best eight and two, with
five of their wins by four fewer points.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Okay, that's telling me.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Wow, they made stops when they needed to make stops.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yes, yes, they plays when they needed to make plays.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Just go with their numbers. They performed when the performance
was needed. Unlike Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Nope, Denver's Denver second best defense in the league. You
made a great point just now about that. Yep, Denver's
second best defensive lead. For sure, they are number two.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
But for me, they are the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yep. Okay, No, I can I look tip for tap,
but I like them, Like you said, being able to
close out games, I mean, yeah, Browns, I don't think
we've been We've been in a couple of situations where
I think we could have closed it out. You know
where we were thank Yep, the last joint in the
end zone, we could have closed that out. Okay, So yeah,
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that's the best defense is closed that out and put
that away.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
No, for sure, but man, we've been in that situation.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
You know. It's just so many times, but you gotta
do it if you want to be the best the
best defensive league. You got it got They all stink
stop it all right. I'm still going with us Denver
respectfully number two, but I love the way they close
out games. We gotta start closing making sure we close
them out.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Oh on on another before we get out of here.
Hey man, they went on ahead and got a by.
They got him back up in here. They extra by
got him back here. Got to be more careful, got listen,
got to be more careful.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Because yeah, man, that's yeah, that's that's wild. You know
it's because it's all from the beginning. When hey, did
they give him bail? I think they gave him bail.
They gave him bail.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I ain't gonna lie, I ain't. I don't think there's
gonna giving bail. Didn't he didn't he already take off one?
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
No no, no, no no. They ain't give him bail yet
for this one, because this one they gave him bail
back in May when the thing originally happened, like six
months ago. So they gave him that bail. He paid
the ten bands and now he's been out Dubai ever since.
So they get them and then they just extraded him
back for that same jump.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Why are you out there tweeting post and letting them
know you at man, I've been quiet as a church mouse.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Her Man Shad said, yeah, Bro, that's that's crazy. I
hop I'm praying with a B and C. What's up?
But you know, did you see the video back in
the day or what they what they talking about? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, man, like what did you It's already done and
over with, like and you come back like that's the best.
You can't come back and they.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Can't come back that you can't come back, and then
just left you out of there because.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right now we're safe.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Like once we say once the fact they tried to
come take your stuff and.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Then then everything broke up. All right, now they're not
trying to take your stuff, okay, but it's just now
it's the situation. It's a quick thing. But what you
about to go do? You could just be like all right,
they tried to get me, all right, I mean all
right next or go back in and trying to figure
someone's like that's just what was the part. Once it
broke down and then started going back and left. Now
(01:01:40):
it's like god damn in an instant, bro, yeah, an
instant you can't be on Yeah, so we'll see I
hope over the best. But yeah that's crazy. Yeah for sure.
Hey look here man, we out of time. We want
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Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Joe doing lovely, Brother, Debo lovely. Always good to be
here with you, my brother. Talk this good football. Always
always listen.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man. We go go ahead and get straight into it.
The Broncos went on here and beat the Raiders. Yes,
and yeah, the Broncos beat the Raiders, but I really
felt like it was like, you know, it was just
too offense, Like, yo, I.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Don't want to win. You want to win. Yeah, I
don't want to win. You want to win, Yeah, you
can have it.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't want That's what I felt like. That's what
it looked like. I understood why. You know, the Raiders
couldn't score difference. Defense is good and they offense is trash,
and you know Vegas is defense is me and and
I guess the Broncos offense is mid.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
So they kind of like just cancel each other out.
You know, That's what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know, Raiders get out there on the first drive
and they you know, they move the ball and they
get I think it's a false start on like the
second down, then get sacked on the third down, and
the punter comes out there, dude and nails a fire punt.
Dude angs it out at the two yard line. Bro
(01:24):
like talking about possessions, get making, making them have to
go the long way. Dad, that's wild. That was a
perfect punt. You can't get no better than Actually take
that back. He did get better than that later, but
we'll get to that. Yeah, Denver, get out there.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
They busted three and out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
They don't they don't do nothing, they don't drop and
then they punter goes and shanks the ball.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dude, he give them the ball. I think it was
at the Denver forty one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Bro. Raiders get out there. Somehow they're able to capitalize
on it. They complete a third and ten and I
think the next third down, dude ran it in for
a touchdown. Day up seven and yeah, they up seven
and nothing. I'm like, okay, cool, Maybe they you know,
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maybe they gonna be able to put up some points
with short field. They was able to get it because
it's a short field that yeah, yeah, they was able
to get it capitalized with the short field. Denver, get
back out there, and dude, like second down, he gets
sacked like I'm talking coverage sack Like DB's got them.
Bore was locked up like they in you know, solitary confinement.
(02:37):
You ain't got nobody in there but you and them.
And dude dropped the pass on the third down, Like
how you he ain't he ain't getting that many too,
you know, you go ahead and drop it now, y'all
got to point the rock, m dude.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
The Raiders gone ahead and I think it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Was a second down. They break one for like thirty two,
bro holding penalty, Bring it back, Bring that on back here.
That boy was it bonita. He went ahead and got that,
got that sack on the third down, and then they
punter her. That's when they punterer. He goes and drops
the ball. When they go to punt it. He got lucky.
(03:17):
Wasn't nobody there. If they was rushing that dude, they
would have got to him for sure. Oh yeah, no
question about it. Dude, Denver, get the ball back first
play holding They get a holding pennel on the first play.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Them boys went like five three and outs in a row.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Dude, they had so many penalty That's that's one of
the demest issues too, Like they just they got they
get penalties.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And then second down thirty two, dude, he dropped a
pick that that Nicks threw straight into his hands.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Bro, like that, you should have been a bout of there.
You gotta have that. You gotta have that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
He got lugged or they ain't getting nowhere, no way.
They tried to jump them off on fourth down. Get
the punter back, hey man. That punter, dude, that punter
for Denver, he like he hits another one. Like, dude,
I don't they might they might end up like.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I don't know. Yes, dude, that's know what I'm saying.
To give him. They got to give him a raise.
He was spending. He needs some video game. Yes, it
was like on the video game. Bro, when you go
to those little punt things, you're trying to hit him
in the corner, you put back spin on it.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
He's hitting them things perfectly. No, no, you too. You're
thinking of the Raiders guy. The Denver dude stinks, he sinks,
he sinks another He's shank that.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
One, dude. Never do the Denver dude stinks man.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
He's shaying you you're thinking the next about the next dude?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, yeah, you think Raiders get it?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
They gone ahead and they hit the tight end on
that third down for I think it was like thirty
thirty one yard or something like that. Like that was
I believe that was the last third down they completed
that whole rest of that game, dude. I think I
think the next third down they tried a quarterback sneak.
How you try a quarterback sneak on third down? And
(05:14):
it's like two yards? Dude, like what is what is
you thinking?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And then they couldn't get it no other way.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
They couldn't get it that way, bron Then.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You go and you go for it on fourth down.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You get the touchdown, but you get that call back,
you get an offensive PI. And that's when Punder said,
you know what, I ain't tripping. Let me going out here.
I'm gonna put that on that thing, drop that thing
right there, and told the ball just jump over there
at the half lard line. Yes, now he need a raise.
(05:51):
The other dude, I don't even know if he go bet.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
There might not have got yet. He might have to
stay there exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Dem came right back out there. They doing another three
and out. Because second down, dude, just letting him tackle.
You're running your uh you your receiver while you're blocking him.
That has to be the more like that's crazy, he
little brother, Look both of you, I'm gonna hold you
and then I'm gonna tackle you.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Come on, man, you're in your in your punter.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Go back out there, trash another trash punt. I think
he might have had. He might have been a double agent,
might have been working for the Raiders. He might have
had some black and silver own up under that white orange.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, man, that somebody got to watch his Yeah. The
Raiders get back out there. Man.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They get a first down completion that is taken away
because dude stepped out of bound.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
So they got an illegal illegal touching on that one.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And then on second down, I think the receiver, like
I think Gonneda called that one. He was like, yeah,
y'all running this, I'm gonna be sitting here waiting to
give you this four or five yard loss.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, y'all, y'all gonna here, and y'all gonna here and
take that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Second them boys up, dude, Fourth down it was a
sack because they're running back.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
How you missed that? Billitz? Pick up? Bro?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Like, how do you miss that? It's like it's that's
in your job.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I don't know who is. I don't know. Like the
quarterback knew it immediately, like yo, yo, you're supposed to
be supposed to have him. What is you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Never get the short field. Now they finally got a
little bit of field positions. Dobbins went on ahead and
hit him with thirteen on that first one. Then they
get a holding on the next play. Somehow they complete
a second in like twenty. They get like almost forty
because Jamal Adams, I'm looking like he's spying from what
(07:56):
I'm seeing, nicks and breaks out. You could tell because
as he at Crosby as he goes, I almost said
Sydney across yeahs. As he goes and he spends the corner,
he's looking. He sees the dude breaking and he's like okay,
and then he see ain't nobody there. He's like, what's
(08:16):
going on? He ended up throwing one right there. They
got what about forty on that when the next time
I think he threw one, it was about a seven
yard touchdown. They ended up seven seven. Now it's a fight.
They in a true fight. Raiders come out there. They
gone ahead, get popped on set on first and third down,
they get sacked on first hand, third down punt the rock.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Don't nobody want to win. It's bad ball, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
It was bad ball all the round. Dude like that,
that's bad ball. Den'tver get back out there. He should
have had that completion on that first Dude drops the
ball like they just they was dropping the ball. They
wasn't catching the ball. They was having too many penalties.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Man.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They get another PI on third down on this one.
Dude pushed off. They catch him on that one. Somehow
they complete like a third and long, and then Nick
goes head and throw that thing and the double courage
and say, you know, I know it's only second down,
but hey, I'm gonna toss it up there anywhay.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that's just that, that's just that was that was bad.
That's just a terrible play. You're trying to get points
on the board before halftime, and it's second down. You
still got another play to live. He was obviously covered
and you just threw the ball far for no reason.
So like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it's only second down, man, throw it out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That might have been forth for something. I had to
look maybe I was lost. No, man, that was a
second down play. You you got to try to get
points there. You haven't been playing. Yeah, get out of bounds.
Let's get another play. Yeah that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, throw away, that's all you have to do. Dude,
like that doesn't make no sense. Raiders, get out there.
Geno throws a beautiful pass down deep ball.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
That dude go his head and drops that one. They
end up got to catch the ball. It's hitting you
in the hands. It's on both sides though, like Ginos something.
They weren't playing the best ball, but the receivers ain't
helping them. Like all hands, you gotta catch the joint.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Please, balls get in their hand. They ain't even catch it.
They like, Hey, no, I don't want to win. You win, man,
I don't want to win. You win in the first
half of seven seven, ain't nothing, ain't nothing popping seven seven.
Third quarter they come out there, Denver gets out there
(10:35):
in the first play, they get.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
A yes, bro, non discipline. Hey, in starting behind the sticks,
you make plays in the flask. Come how you gonna
get anything going, no question, dude, three and out they
punt the ball. Rader said, you ain't go out to
us were going three and out two?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know what I'm saying, you three and all us
than the weekend three and our two. Then get back
in there. They started moving the ball down the field
a little bit, dude, like first eight players. I think
they had like six runs for about twenty five twenty six,
even though it was just a quarterback sneak. And then
it was two passes for about twenty yards. And then
(11:17):
as soon as the night play hit them, boys said, hey,
we gotta do something to self destruck.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You gotta slow this thing down. Slow this thing down.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Falls start fast, start, falls start. Even though they got
to fall start, you know, but it's like what second
and eight something like that. Even though they got to
fALS start, they end up getting seven yards third and one.
What is the receiver pass for at third and one?
(11:49):
Why are you trying to do that? It's third and
one and you get sacked, so you move back. Then
you gotta kick a field goal and you miss the
field goal? Are you calling a receiver pass on third
and one?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right there? When all we gotta do is just keep
this thing moving. We're moving the ball.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No, no, no, that's trying to he's trying to outsmart yourself.
Then you do dumb things instead of doing the normal thing.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Like yeah, I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Then again they missed the field goal seven seven for
they just get the ball back. They said, hey, you
ain't go out through us. We know y'all gotta gone ahead. Nah,
help y'all a little bit. Jenty went on head and
he said, I don't even gonna catch this tip here,
take it right off the shield.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
First first, right off his shield. Hit him dead in
the face. Here, take this crazy yeah, Like that's just yeah.
So something when I talked about like bow Knicks play
bad whatever, like his stats undred fifty yards, Gino Smith bad.
But these they're not getting helped. You're the ball like
like take away to pick. It's like self inflicted wounds. Buddy,
(13:01):
I hit you in the face mask with the rock.
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's not my bad,
but it's a pick on Gino. So that's not good. Yeah,
then come back out there. They do another three and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Out because either Nicks ain't get the ball off in
time or something was gonna happen if you threw it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
They get it.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They get a PI because they start blocking before the
screen get get get into his hands. Yeah, they punt
the rock Raiders get it back Gino. Don't get the
ball pass the line of scrimmage on the second down,
they getting an intentional.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Grounding and then they go and get their punk block.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like this dude, Like y'all, y'all, this dude been dropping
that thing in there for all y'all all night, and
then y'all let his punt give blocked.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
It wasn't even like it like a tip by, Like
you kicked the man all up in the face with
the ball. Yeah, yeah, know for sure hurt his leg,
Like I don't even I.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Don't even know what, Like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody want
to block on the play like special teams was in
only too, Like no, we ain't gonna let the offense.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They all they we all gotta watch their ladies man,
and we all go be we all go get a
part of this. So now, oh no, it's a crazy thing.
Though Denver gets the ball on.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The Vegas twelve yards yard line.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
They go four players and end up attempting a field
goal from the fourteen.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yes, debo, you go backwards two yards, you go four
players negative two them boys said, I'm out do you.
I'm a lose yard. That's just bad ball. I'm gonna
lose yards. Yeah, making the field goal.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Man, it is ten to seven, and now we got
the offense. Raiders go three and now you ain't go
out do me. Back with her three and now you
ain't go out do me. The Raiders get out there, buddy,
and I think they go twenty five. I think it
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was first down in nineteen and then uh, I think
it was third down? Was that the next third down?
They get sacked on that next third down? Right, yep, yep, yeah,
because they ain't complete no more third downs after the
second quarter. They gotta punt the rock Denver they get
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the ball back, they said, hey, we're gonna return the
favorite baby tip third down to the past interception.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I mean it. It's hitting people like the flesh
pads is like, dang catch the bra like and but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They can't get too frustrated because it ain't like they
always putting it on them.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But I'm like, yo, but you wanted to get there, Come.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
On, get like, now you're going to make excuse that
you're not used to seeing the ball see a good
path that damn rock?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
What you doing? Hit me in my hand? I don't
know in my hand I was low.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, No, they got to catch there, you know, they
got to catch.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Them man, they tripping man. Catch the easy ones. Man.
So raiders. They started I think with the dimmer, what
thirty forty five forty five?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Then then it uh, I think they only get like
fifteen yards on five player or so, and they go
for a forty eight yard field goal, dude, and striking
distance and listen they get it. I am right right now,
I'm like, yo, I am like, I hope they do
not make this fit. I'll be going to wash this
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whole game, to sit here and have a tie and
be done. Wasted my whole night on the tie. Like,
give me some type of satisfaction. Somebody show me somebody lose.
Can somebody get out of here some thank you, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You were glad that that man missed the field goal
and they got the rock back mm hmm. But it
just do their thing, get it out of there, no question,
no question, Dinver get the ball back.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think they get like eighteen on the third and
one that picks up a first down, and then cross
we got an encroachment that dropped it to a first
and five. That went to a second and one, and
then the Raiders started to have to use their timeouts.
Then it was third and one next to the quarterback sneak.
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Next they get a first down. I think they might
have handed it off one more time and then they
kneeled the rest of.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The game out.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Dude. That was a Although I like gang, yeah, although
I like defense, it was no defense.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It was just a horrible offenses defense to me, let
me take it back. It was good defense.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but like players where you were like, yo, I'm
seeing fifty thousand players they could have made. I'm seeing
pendleys that that that stopped plays, that stopped drive, that
took away points, you know all that stuff. Like they
were like they got issues, bri They need to improve everything.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They talking about they need to improve early and do
better early. No, man, y'all look like y'all need to improve.
The whole night when I sat back and I was,
you know, I was doing some little research looking at it.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I guess they have a big issue.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
On their first and second downs what they call early
down success rate. I guess the thirty two on early
down success rates or successful downs early so they call
successful place exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I had to look yeah, so I had to look
that up.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So I was wondering, like what what what a successful
you know for first and second down? Yes, when you
look it up, it tells you that you got to
gain forty percent of the yards that is needed on
first down. Okay, and if it's second down, you have
to get sick sixty percent of the yards that is
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needed to get to the first down. So basically I
make first and ten, you need to get four yards.
You need four yards. If it's second and ten, you
need six yards. So you know, okay, same thing, like
you get behind the chains. If it's first and twenty,
you need eight yards. Say you get that eight yards.
Now it's second and twelve. Then on that second and
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twelve you would need like a little over nine and
a half yards. Put you at a manageable like youpecally
keeping ahead of the sticks right right.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right, So like they need to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
They need chunks, dude, They like they don't throw the
ball downfield I think I saw where like even on
that same thing they were saying, like on the early downs,
he's like seventy percent of his passes are within five yards.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Of the line of scrimmage, the dink and dump.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah yeah, thinking note and then like, dude, he like
he needs to improve period, Like he needs to get
better with his decision making, his accuracy. The I mean
even hell, maybe the calls too, like y'all, y'all making
some questionable cause maybe yeah, something different that's go help him.
The penalties is killing them. The negative all them negative
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players is killing them. Like they need they need a
more consistent run game. Like the offense, dude, the offense
needs everything. Yeah, that's what it seems like to me.
What what what do you take?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I take you saying exactly what I'm saying and what
I'm saying I'm seeing. The offense is out there struggling,
and they've been struggling now for a lot of weeks.
But they have a real they have an elite defense.
The defense not only just plays good versus the Raiders,
but they've been playing good kind of this this whole year.
They gotta be able to the offense needs to do
more of a more of a run game, more of
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a more of a pass game. They got to catch
the ball when it's open, like you said, getting ahead
of the sticks. But I was just really impressed with
the defense being able to stay out there, being able
to make plays, being able to create turnovers, and Broncos
just offense not being able to get first downs. You're
going for three and out for the first four or
five possessions in the row, like and then penalties to
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eleven penalties like, you can't you can't keep hurting yourself,
so the stuff self inflicted ones. That also is why
the success rate on first and second down isn't good.
If you're starting off at first and fifteen, you know
what I'm saying, you got to gain a lot more
yards than just.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
That behind the changes already, and you know it smashes
down the playbook.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Mm hmm. When you when you going there and you.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Got that you know, you at that that range of
that that second and six or less, like, you got
a lot more playable that you can use, you know
what I'm saying, Especially when you're able to you know,
be able to run the ball. I'm feeling people understand,
like being able to successfully and can you know and
consistently run the ball opens up so much, especially like
for past game, you know, play action stuff like that.
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You know when you can, when you can successfully and
you know, continuously like run the ball like it.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It just it just makes everything opens up so much
stuff for you. And like you said, two dbo in
self inflicted penalties, if you're not that good and you
just can't make chunks and you just can't do things
a certain way, don't set yourself up to already when
you do make a play, you get back by holding.
You know what I'm saying. Your dudes are open and
you drop the damn ball, like catch these passes, don't hold,
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you know what I'm saying. Some of these players that
we do get let these actually be first downs, so
self inflicted wounds on their offense, holdings, passing apferences and
then dropping passes. So the offense definitely not looking good.
The defense is just holding them down, just making making plays,
you know what I'm saying, creating turnovers, the defensive line
getting after the quarterbacks, not making Geno sack them six
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times like they would beat us up. They weren't giving
them time to throw. So if you got dbs out there,
and then the best player the corner of number two
deuce Duce for the Denver Broncos he's not even out
there right now, so they doing it with well with
a backup corner. So if they get him back in there,
moscus be playing right like they. I really like Denver's defense,
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the offense. They just gotta not hurt theirselves. Both nicks
not throwing the ball down field. It's just a lot
they got to figure out looking the mirror. But it's
always better when you can go to practice and study
this tape when you won the game, you know what
I'm saying, and then lose the game.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yes, yes, it feels better to fix your your your
mess ups on a win, does you know, on a loss.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So they've been doing a lot of fixing with some wins.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So I mean that's that's that's not like they're.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Doing too bad. But there's other teams that you can't
just be playing like this when teams are gonna be
able to score points on you like big time.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, for sure, receivers got to catch the rock. They
got to get the rock to him. Speaking of receivers,
my guy Aaron Rodgers responded on if his receivers wanted
more targets, do we have that video? Can you play
the video? Because this little the video gives you a
whole lot more content. And so he says, if somebody
(24:09):
wants more targets, I welcome the conversation. Usually I say,
let's watch the film, let's see let's talk about football.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I love doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
The thing young players learn is that practice, it is very,
very important.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And when you show it weekend and week.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Out in practice, it gives a quarterback a lot of
confidence to come your way when it's football time. He
also said, he also said some other things, but like,
how do you feel about this? What do you what
do you think he's saying? Or do you what's your
what's your feeling from this? Hold?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
First, let me ask you, let me ask you this one,
D But let me get let me see how you
feel about this one first. I want your perspective.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Okay, I don't have a problem with it, because if
you watched and listened to the whole thing, He's basically
saying that if he sees it in practice, you do
it in practice, you do it effectively, I'll have confidence
in you and I'll get the ball to you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
But he also in that same conversation says.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That sometimes I can't get the ball to you, and
sometimes we don't get the ball to those guys, and
that no one is complaining about that, and everybody understands that,
and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So I'm cool with it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's why if we had the whole thing, you would
actually be very very cool with it. The response, to
be honest with you, do I think that response is
about a minute forty.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Aaron Rodgers response, Yeah, okay, so this is what I
would say. I appreciate Aaron Rodgers response. You know what
I'm saying, because I don't think he's trying to throw shade.
He's really if you're open and let's let's talk about it.
I'm the quarterback. I'm not trying to not get people
the ball for any reasons. And we can make these
conversations in practice. You can show me like boom on this.
(26:07):
You know when your heads whooped around on time, you're
getting your head around on time. You're ready for the
past to be presented to you.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Oh and that was that was something else he was saying, like, Yo,
it may not get to you because the coverage that
we're looking for is not the coverage that it's going
to be successful in. You know what I'm saying, Like,
that's why I said, like, yeah, keep going.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Though, No, No, for sure, I appreciate that because it's
the quarterback and have in conversations that you can go
and watch tape with the DBS. You can let him
know your progressions. Not every time you're the one that's
supposed to be getting there. It may be getting set
up for this. Look. You know what I'm saying, if
this that look, so being able to have that talk
with your quarterback, Like no, if we get this look
this man and man and me and you got this thing,
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you know what's coming to you. You want the ball there.
You're showing me in practice, you're understanding, you're doing all
the right things. You're on your spots, so I can
trust you to be there at any time. So long
just me and you. I want he needs rapport if
you can show it to me. I'm a rob. I'm
not not trying to score touchdowns. Trust me. I want
us to be as successful as possible. And if that
means getting you to rock a little bit more, like,
(27:06):
let's talk about it. I can show you where opportunities
where I can get it to you where I'm looking for,
you know what I'm saying. So I think it's all
good because he wants to win games. He's a great quarterback.
A great quarterback doesn't want to get the ball. He
doesn't not want to get the ball to his receivers.
So just having conversations and speaking like this, where let's
get into it, let's talk. Let's watch tape that just
(27:27):
like this. Yes, that's what football players and teams are
supposed to do. If somebody wants the ball, let's talk
about this, like, let's work together. Your goal is to
score touchdowns, and mind the goal is to throw them too,
so our goals can both work together. You know what
I'm saying. Just let's just do it constructively, you know
what I'm saying. So I really appreciate the way Aaron
Rodgers did this. It's professionalism. It's telling him like, look, boom,
(27:48):
we're on the same thing together. Let's go watch his
tape and let's learn like it's important. Like Abra, I
can tell him what he's looking for and he can
show him to him in practice. So I like the
way that they're trying to build relationships and this is
this is a great answer for me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, yeah, like it's it's no it's no I in team.
And and when you look at basketball, you know they
were like, it's no I in team, but it's for me.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, it's only five players out there.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
You need guys to do everything that's necessary on that
page to get one assignment done, to make to make
one play successful. And I think now a lot of
these receivers are just so worried about what their numbers are,
what this is, what that is, the concept of a
football team is to win Lombardies, So we gotta win games.
(28:33):
How can you be upset if you're winning games, if
you're not winning games and you feel like you can
go in there and if you had got more catches,
more touches that they figured out a way to get
the ball to you, you could you could have made
a different outcome. But guys just crying and complaining about
it and we're winning, like and you're still playing. I don't,
(28:54):
I don't. I don't understand that. So you know, now
that's a new age era thing. You know, like when
you go back to when we play, you ain't here
heines Ward complaining about he and getting the Rocky out
there knocking people's jaws loose, little breaking boys jaws blocking
in the run game. You know what I'm saying, No, no, no,
for sure, doing what doing whatever is necessary?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
So I think that's like just this this new this
new era. Speaking of that, uh Rome, what's what's his dunes?
I guess his father had something to say about the Bears.
He criticized the Bears. I guess he uh senior, he's junior, Yes,
(29:37):
his dad yeah, so uh he he criticized the Bears,
but the junior he he said, you know, they ain't
got nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know, that's his dad's opinion. What do you what
do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You think you think that's real or you think I mean,
I don't know you're telling me, Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You know how that is debo. You know how this
is some people who have more outspoken parents than others.
Some people's parents know, like at the end of the
day when you in the league and anything that you say,
like Ja Morant's dad, or Ar LeVar and LeVar Ball's dad,
the Balls brother's dad, whatever you say. You know what
I'm saying you know it's gonna be on the media,
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is gonna your son's gonna have to answer about it.
So sometimes how I feel about this stuff is more
you're kind of putting on your kid. You're you're that's
your son. You love your son, You're gonna root for him,
You're gonna want the best of him regardless. But saying
things like this out publicly is gonna make him have
to answer these questions to the media about his dad.
And the whole time is you not your dad loves you.
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Your dad gonna be able to say what he says,
and that's what I would like. You can't control what
comes out of your father's mouth. But at the same time,
you're you're his boy. He's gonna love you to death,
and if he wants to see he sees you not
getting used the right way. He sometimes those guys want
to speak on it, But just know you're putting your
son in a position to answer questions about why his
dad feels this way? Do you feel that way? And
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you have to answer like, no, I'm my own man.
My dad loves me. He thinks I could be able
to make a lot more plays. He thinks you'd be
able to be used a lot better than this. But
I'm in the room. I got to answer these questions.
I'm here, so at the end of the day, like, no,
I don't feel that way. He may feel like he
can get the ball a little bit more, but while
he's playing for the team, he's in that locker room.
He can't make that answer. He can't say that out loud.
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And what are you gonna say to his dad? That's
my dad. I love my dad. My dad's his own man.
But no, Dad, shut up. No, your dad's gonna say
what he wants to say because that's your father. But
then you're gonna respect him. Be like, at the end
of the day, that's how dad feels. I can only
speak from how I feel. You know what I'm saying.
So Dad could be talking to his son and knowing
what's going on, but the end of the day, your
dad is your dad.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I look at it like Lonzo Ball, LaVar Ball. I
look at my dad. If my dad were to say
some stuff, I'd be like, all right, Paul, come on, man, But.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's the way my dad feels. That's not the way
I feel, or it could be the way that he feels.
But just doesn't want to put his team out there
like that. Are you what you think? So?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I love that positive answer, But I told you I
got that guy on one shoulder, and I got a
white angel guy with wings on the other shoulder. If
my daddy was a social media guy, he's not with us.
I would have definitely used him if I was in
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that position where I felt like I needed to get
the ball more and they was go look at my
daddy's social media to vent my frustrations, that is, any
frustrations that everybody could see from me playing the game
(32:42):
on the field, not in the locker room or with
the coaches. I'm gonna use him as my middle man.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I can get off my chest what I want to say.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, I don't believe that when they come to me.
You know what, I'm tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What you're gonna tell d I ain't got no control
over my daddy said, that's my daddy. I don't feel
that way. Now listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.
If I said my daddy said, or my mama said,
I ain't gonna say I'm lying, but I gotta put
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it off on somebody and they told me it was
okay for me.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
To do that, So dude, I need it. Debo, you
are funny. So but for for though you.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You you would if you had, if you had a problem,
if you were let's put you say you would do
that right.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
And you don't feel like you're getting the rock?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Would you tell you about the If he was on
Twitter and was like, well you like man pop, go
ahead let them know like I need to be getting
the piel. Listen, hold on, let y'all see my eye
because I'm a little bright.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
But hey, I'm gonna tell my daddy privately.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Say everything I say for you verbatim, and then add
some other stuff in there that I.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wouldn't say that is out of character.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So they don't think it's me all the way Okay,
And then listen, Daddy, I love you know I love you?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, I love you too, Son, I love you. Hey.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And when and when they come ask me, no, I'm
gonna have to do not yes, son, of course.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, I'm your daddy. I got you. Hey, what you think?
What you think? What you think? Marvin Senior did his
son did know for show? For share?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Hey, listen, I think it's they playing chess over there
for you to go and yell and scream about it. Uh,
chess movies. How your daddy do it? And your daddy
Marvin Harrison. That Martin Harrison got gold jacket that carried.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Now, with social media, everybody want to talk and have
a word. So if you got a parent that's on
social media, and you a guy that's.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
On I do so put it out there.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Hey, And you know what, I'm gonna even help him
because before he do it, I'm gonna make sure I
started tagging my daddy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Hey, my daddy right here. We here, we there?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
So you pumping this ground, Hey, I'm I'm pre I'm
pre pumping for the dumping.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, you pre pumping you.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm just saying, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta read
and I'm just playing. Dad was advocate right here right now.
I wouldn't do that, being and and you know, be
in a position that I am right now, and and
and having my relationship with my lord said I wouldn't
do that right now. But old James, Oh, my daddy
(35:47):
would do it. My daddy wouldn't do it. My daddy
was normally I talked to your face kind of kind.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Of guy here.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
But now listen, No, I ain't gonna say nothing else
because I'm gonna mess around and yeah, no, nope, I
ain't about to give him no information.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But that's why I'm saying I think he does. I
think he downplayed it, though, bro, because I honestly would
have think that his dad's gonna say whatever his dad
wants to say. I don't think he told his dad
to say it. I ain't saying he told his dad
to say it.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I'm pretty sure that you're venting your frustrations about
how that is and ain't using you.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah you already here, Yeah, no for show for show
for show. But I'm saying that. But but then, what's
the difference thing of you putting it out then you
having your daddy put it out.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Because I am not now a discrinal receiver employee.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah. My
daddy looking at it, he's saying, he got right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm good, I'm happy, I'm I'm I'm doing what's necessary.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
What I like more talking. Listen, we're playing. This is
what it is. I got the.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Story out, I got talking. Now look we're talking. Yeah,
you're right. You're right, hey, And he.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Did the right thing. He asks it the right way too,
So clean Romany's clean everything clean, and he clean he
the thing clean boy cleaned in the board of health.
You're correct, Depo. If that's the way he did it,
he don't fool me. Hey, that boy said, I'm playing checkers. Hey,
you playing checkers? He playing chess. He playing chess, Baby, Yeah,
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playing chests. Baby. That's that's you know, that's that's really
all this to it, young boy got man, Yes he did.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I'm telling you that the game doesn't The game doesn't change, baby,
the boys doing things different the games, Dolphin said, you know,
they don't remove they would Is.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
It a popper shot a basketball game from the locker room? Hey, listen,
I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You this right here though, Yes, on these on these
games like being in like locker rooms and all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with all that stuff.
You're removed.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I actually have a problem with it, Like you're not
here to have fun at work, Like we're not here
to manufacture other things that it is not work that
is fun for you. You should have a job that
is fun. That way, when you go to work. You're
having fun and you get paid to do it. No, Like,
(38:23):
when did this start? Where we gotta go to when
we go to work, we gotta have something fun, you know,
when we come in, we have something fun for the employees.
They come in and it's a sucker and it says,
have a great day, just the back end.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Day. You're here to work. That's it. I spend a note.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Huh, listen, you want to work, get the work done,
Go ahead, get all the listen bonus structure just like yo,
you know how much sure the appreciation of what you're
doing to me for me?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Hey man, Christmas bones and stuff like that. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Here to put the basketball game in here, because now
you know what that fifteen minute break y'all supposed to
get done turned into thirty running late. That that that
that forty five minute lunch done turned into an hour
fifteen if you're lucky. And then if you lost, you're
(39:26):
trying to get back there immediately. You know, if I lose,
I get that as long as I can. I can't
leave work with the loss. Boy, ain't even think about
the job no more. They talking about man I'm tooing
one against so and so.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Man. Yeah, I gotta get back in there. They can't
see me in ping pong, can't.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
See me in the ping pong man, the lead hoop
on the back of the thing.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I'm wet with that jumper. The boy said, it's what
that don't matter. That's what I'll do. I'm with you
one thousand. The main thing is the main thing. When
we go in there, you need to have like I
want to have.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
You got hot tubs, cold tubs? Do we have nutritionists?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Those are the main things in the main that's.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
What they need to do.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Stop getting these little teeny penny games and get real
help in there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
That's that's really there's one when you come in there
and you start getting like the facility is for the
main thing is you're going to be doing recovery as
long as they have all nice recovery facilities. Like there's
no time honestly for games or like we can go
do that after at the crib. Dude, that's where you
get paid this dose that we have a nice house.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
I might got no tables, it's no real time you're
in the facility here. We could be sitting here together eating,
talking about whatever it is. The game plan is adjustments
are all that getting short on everything that you have
going on instead of sitting.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I mean, I want you It's no, it's not you're
not You're in there. And when you're in the facilities,
Like you know what I'm saying, Devo, you got there's meetings,
there's there's things that you're doing you should there's things
that you could be doing at all times until you
all time join. There's no real time where you all right, bet,
now I'm going to go play unless you're not eating,
you know what I'm saying. Or instead you're not eating,
(41:17):
you should be doing some recovery getting ready for practice.
Like there's no real time. Everybody's all right, Bet, I
got thirty recovery play that's it. No, I don't have
thirty minutes to go play pool. We got practice coming up.
But after practice, we have a meeting and then I'm
going to go home, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's like what nobody's in the facility after everybody's gone.
(41:37):
But like wouldn't you like go to the house or
like you know what I'm saying, Like that's when hopefully
you've been there all damn day, not standing here to
play pool. I'm going home to go play pool or
go see my kids. Like we've been here all day
doing the job. And it's that's what you do there,
you work and then when you leave, you go, you
go play. You can go do what you want to do.
But in the facility, I'm so with like the extra
(41:59):
curriculous stuff. It's mainly do we have we need fix
our hot tubs and cold tubs? You know what I'm saying, Like,
do we have people that can go stretch us? Is
our equipment good? You know what I'm saying. Like, That's
the thing I feel like money or any of that
stuff should be going to like none the other.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's just wasting time. Oh, no question about it, dude,
like that. Yeah I was. I was never really you know,
a fan you know of having the extra you know
stuff in there like this. Uh, it's what it is.
Sunday night, Sunday night. We got Sunday night football, right,
(42:36):
still as charges right yeah, yeah, in La in La
listen here, man, this is what we need the defense
to do. Man, Okay, defense has to go out there
and continue to produce, all right, is the number one
(43:00):
faux five offense. Yes, we have to do the first
things first and that stopped and run. We can't be
trying to fight a two headed monster. Okay, we have
to pressure what is it Herbert?
Speaker 1 (43:19):
The Herbert. We got a pressure Herbert.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Which has gotten a lot easier, or at least a
little easier, because I think they lost a tackle aught
for the season. Okay, so then we gotta show up
our past defense man. We got to limit the big chunks.
Come on, dbs. Have to play tighter and cleaner. No penalties. Nephew,
(43:47):
I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
He about the who, he about the who I'm talking
I'm talking to nephew, little peasy.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
You gotta use your feet and take advantage of your
length and your speed. I'm talking directly to you, nephew. Okay,
little peas, I'm talking directly to you. I want to
see you put together a whole, complete game weekend and
week out. And I'm doing this on purpose. You know why,
(44:14):
because I know you your daddy's son. Uh Okay, and
I when I call you out, I put pressure on.
That don't mean nothing to you. The down't do shit
but motivate you.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, And he coming fresh off the he coming fresh off.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The full PBUs pick and a sack, Little Hansie. All
I'm saying is PC got the ability to be all pro.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
He has the skill set to be all pro. I'm
just loving he do that. And take away those little
a little two little Grabby's like in today those question
six past breakups, a pick and a sack, complete game, nephew,
do that.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
We need to continue, last, but not least. Mostly we
need to create turnover. Hey, nephew, give me a pick
or too, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I like them to do it. I need a game ball.
If you give me a game ball, baby, I like it.
I like them to do it. And then we need
the same thing man saying, look, do what we did
last week. Can we just run it back? You know
what I'm saying. We need I'm talking about defense. Defense.
IM talking about defense, side of all defense, side of
(45:26):
the ball only strictly minus the penalties. Yeah, minus the
little penalties. But I'm just saying, just stop them run
you know what I'm saying. But now in the past,
take away the chunks. Like you said, take away the
little bit of Grabby's. Take away the chunk plays, the
taking the cheese, the biting the cheese debo. You know
what I'm saying, don't let it come question, drop the
drop off, come up, make the tackles, and we'll be
(45:48):
good to go. Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, we're gonna need the offense now, offensive side offense
to the front line. Start with the front line, man,
Start old and d line man. We need to be
able to do it up front. We gotta need rockets
game well, able to run that ball effectively, Like we
need to have more consistent run games.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
I don't I don't.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Care if it's three four yards in a cloud of
dust that keeps us ahead of the change.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yes, it burns clock, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Like just to play these defense ain't no bombs?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What is they nothing like that? They bring second in
the league and scoring defense. They've only given an eighteen
and a half points a game. Oh my yeah, so
it's not they're not weak. They're not weak at all.
Matter of fact, I think they third against the past.
I think the only thing they what maybe seventeenth in
the run. So we got to take advantage of that.
(46:47):
We got to be up.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
We got to try and take it, like if we
can effectively run the ball again, like. It opens up
the pass game. It opens up the pass game, It
opens up play action. It does it does a lot
of things when you can effectively run the ball, because
now they got to put something down there to try
and stop it. And the biggest thing is no turnovers. No,
(47:09):
we go in there, we do that. Don't wait, We're
gonna come over with the dubna, come away with another dug.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Because we can't. Like you said, we can't be turning
that ball over. Defense gonna keep giving us the ball back.
You know what I'm saying, we win the turnover battle.
We can't. We want to turn a battle by five
and one by seven. So we just got to be
able to offense. Score when you get into the red zone,
even field goal. But we need touchdowns if we can
if we get down there. But definitely don't turn the
ball over field goals, you know what I'm saying. And position.
(47:43):
If you gotta punt that thing, punt it deep. Let's
get it down there because our defense is cold, no question.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Give us room to work with. Come on, give us
room to work with. Hey, hey, Joe, who who the
Browns play?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Hold up? It doesn't matter who are you? Sorry? Mother
sucker is that the Jets. Man, it is Mabe what
y'all go through? Man, what y'all gonna do? You know
what this is? This is This is a joke because
(48:19):
because you because I don't know what we're gonna do,
d Bo. That's why I'm stuttering, Because if I was honest,
I will tell you that you I don't know what
we're gonna do. I'm right now being honest. Right now,
I know one thing. I know what I know what
is gonna happen. Our defense gonna go out there and
ball out. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Miles, Garrett, Ward, the Warden.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
The boys, they gonna go out there and do what
they gotta do. My concern is what are we gonna
do on Oh hopefully if we can run the ball right,
we can run the ball consistently, get junkers out there.
I want to see junkins running it, and I want
to see what Dylan Gabriel if he's gonna help us
or hurt us or is it gonna be your door?
That's basically what it is. He has a game, he
(48:59):
hurts the team.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Dylan out start starting halfway.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I'm I'm gonna let him two picks by halftime.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Gone yesterday week.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Now it's Debo, two picks by halftime. He's killing us.
He's not just hurting us, he's he's betting on the
other team. He throw two picks in the first half,
He's betting on the Jets. Hold on what one would have?
One is a great player and the other one is
a tip. One is a great player, the other one
is a tip at the table that man. Listen, it's
not meant to be for Dylan. It should have been
(49:40):
a tip. It could have been a tip to the ground,
a tip score. It could have failed in his favor.
Universe speaking. Huh, okay, okay, come on, Debo. Hey, I'm
just asking Joe. You went there, you said two picks.
If he throw two tuddies, he's in there. He's in
there like swimwhere. But you know what I'm saying, he
throws two pick yanked.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, okay, So we're gonna go ahead call that door watch.
All right, we're on your door watch right now, y'all.
That's door watch. That's a fact, yo, Yoe. I need you,
I need your mid season awards. First one is the
no flies on who you got for the best dB
mid season, my.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Best dB mid season. But as Joe head and no
flies on, it's my safety, the safety for the for Chicago. Chicago. Yeah, baby,
for Chicago. Bro. I ain't gonna even lie to you.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
You know what I'm saying, like, how do you picked up? Yes, Joe, listen, listen.
I always go straight up be like, listen.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
I don't really know. I ain't really own.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
It, but I said, you know what, let me go
look at the stat that counts interceptions.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
M you know what I found. He's leading.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
You know why I went on ahead and did a
little bit, you know, a little bit of the working sauce,
a couple other things.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I say, you know what, he gotta be it and
you know why to though, because not only is he
just getting picks, Bro, it's the way he's doing it.
He's reading the quarterback. They're just not like lucky picks.
They're not just not falling into his lap. He's going
to go getting picks. He's baiting quarterbacks making picks. So
stand up, what is it? Kevin Bayer, Kevin bayerd Kevin Biers. Yes, Bro,
(51:28):
give Kevin by all the love in the world, because
he was doing it when I was out there safety safety.
He's doing it, man, he's doing it. Shout out Bayer.
He's been balling, reading picked reading quarterbacks like books.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
All right, So give me, give me your give me
your best linebacker.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Man, best linebacker. Shout out Brook, Pittsburgh Steelers, p Dug,
P Dug. I'm going pe Dug. I'm going Pete. I'm
going pet Up a linebacker. I like it. I like it.
(52:04):
I like it. The reason why I'm going to pee
up because Peter Up is he's walking people down, He's
making plays in the backfield. He's making plays, athletic plays,
past breakups, jumping up, and he's just around the football
all the time, fourteen tackles.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
And I just love his enthusiasm. I love when he walked.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Down the wide receiver showing his speed, his effort and
then just making plays all around his excitingness. He's bawling.
So I'm gonna go with pe Up, little Homer vibe
right there. But I'm gonna give Pete Up some love
because I think he has nowhere to go with better
who were going?
Speaker 2 (52:38):
So I was kind of like in between, like two
people to be honest with you, So like just best linebacker.
You know, I ain't gonna lie, dude, you got dude
for the Giants, Bro Burns bruh yeah right zero putting
numbers out there, bro number zero, Yes, Bro, you're putting
(53:01):
on dude.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Man got left sad.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
He got fifteen quarterback hisits dude, like h dude, he
got forty two total tackles. Along with that, he got
five pass defenses and two forced fumbles. Man, he impacted
everything like best, like he's doing it all. I know
they they record ain't showing that and all that.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
But I was also looking at.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Tamarine Edmonds like yes, yes for the band, lie, but
you know me, I'm a I'm a I'm a sack guy.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
He got four picks too. He got about seventy on both.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Five almost seventy five tackles, dude, Like like you know,
like this is doing it Like I lost a.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Sack guy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Like, So, if I had to go with the inside
matter of fact, I would go, yeah, there it is,
if I had to go with that, but.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, it was. It was a toss up, but I went.
I went. I went with the New York guy.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
But like I said, for May's he there, he there, Hekay?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Who you got four overall defensive MVP man right now?
Starting over, I gotta go with the man that's halfway
to twenty. Uh my boy, Miles Garrett thirty one tackles,
ten sacks, force fumble, and I think he's just on
pace right now. I'll get twenty sacks. So him doing that,
him going out there hooping out, he's still on pace.
(54:34):
Shout out Miles with ten sacks right now, you know,
leading the league. I mean, it's just he's just he's
just a beast. He's not leading, dude, leading the league?
Got eleven?
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Oh, we must have just played or something. Well, Miles
is two and he deserved to be one.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
That's why. That's why Miles a game last ten sacks one.
They trying to double and triple and that's a little
harmer played by you, but I understand it.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Oh but my overall, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
Who you going to have to go with? Nick Bonito?
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
That man has nineven have sex mm hm twenty quarterback
hits thirty two total tackles and his play is affecting
the wins of his team in two Okay, and not
only are they seven and two. They are number to
(55:31):
defense in the NFL. Who's number three? Cleveland just under
were just number one under ninety two yards of game rushing,
one hundred and eighty passing. Okay, it's got a limit
to a guy who's play MVP. Not but my play
(55:56):
is so valuable to my team multi most valuable player.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
His though his player.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Stellar, has not been valuable enough to get them wins.
That's why I would give it to Nick.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I can respect that over over over my area. Yeah,
who is your best overall defense? Are you asking me this?
Do you do? You do? You? You know what I'm
gonna say. You know who I'm gonna say, Debo and yeah,
go why what do you mean? Why? What do you mean? Why?
(56:36):
They were number one and all of a sudden they
much have just changed the three something I don't know,
but they were. They were number one. They've been hooping.
The offense hasn't been giving them anything that keeps them
on the field. They're fighting for their lives. I'm gonna
say that the number one defense, and it just has
to be sorry that that that we have the worst offense.
So the Browns defense number one. Miles Garrett Denzel Ward
(56:58):
Dey'll pick. The boys are balling. They've been balling all year,
but it sucks when you can't when you keep repeatedly
being out there, so you need somebody can use. Guys
right back, I thought your back. You know what I'm saying.
You don't hear the Browns complaining about, Oh no, our
offense isn't doing anything. They're not doing. I want to
say that even though they're not.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
I don't know how you drop in ratings on a
bye week and on the defense I could see on offense,
I don't see how many other defenses.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Other defenses balled out and played very, very very much.
But the Browns are number three now.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
The overall number one defense in the league statistically is
actually Houston. Okay, okay, I think that's where the.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
The the numbers are. So with that being said, Houston
is what three and five they lost?
Speaker 2 (58:04):
I think four of the five games they lost by
seven points or fewer, which to me, I think says
you may be the number one ready defense, but when
it comes time to either stop or make game winning plays, you're.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Not doing it.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
So again I'm looking at Denver as the number two defense,
who is now a league best eight and two, with
five of their wins by four fewer points.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Okay, that's telling me.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Wow, they made stops when they needed to make stops.
Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yes, yes, they plays when they needed to make plays.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Just go with their numbers. They performed when the performance
was needed. Unlike Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Nope, Denver's Denver second best defense in the league. You
made a great point just now about that. Yep, Denver's
second best defensive lead. For sure, they are number two.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
But for me, they are the best defense in the league.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yep. Okay, No, I can I look tip for tap,
but I like them, Like you said, being able to
close out games, I mean, yeah, Browns, I don't think
we've been We've been in a couple of situations where
I think we could have closed it out. You know
where we were thank Yep, the last joint in the
end zone, we could have closed that out. Okay, So yeah,
(59:32):
that's the best defense is closed that out and put
that away.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
No, for sure, but man, we've been in that situation.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
You know. It's just so many times, but you gotta
do it if you want to be the best the
best defensive league. You got it got They all stink
stop it all right. I'm still going with us Denver
respectfully number two, but I love the way they close
out games. We gotta start closing making sure we close
them out.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Oh on on another before we get out of here.
Hey man, they went on ahead and got a by.
They got him back up in here. They extra by
got him back here. Got to be more careful, got listen,
got to be more careful.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Because yeah, man, that's yeah, that's that's wild. You know
it's because it's all from the beginning. When hey, did
they give him bail? I think they gave him bail.
They gave him bail.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I ain't gonna lie, I ain't. I don't think there's
gonna giving bail. Didn't he didn't he already take off one?
Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
No no, no, no no. They ain't give him bail yet
for this one, because this one they gave him bail
back in May when the thing originally happened, like six
months ago. So they gave him that bail. He paid
the ten bands and now he's been out Dubai ever since.
So they get them and then they just extraded him
back for that same jump.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Why are you out there tweeting post and letting them
know you at man, I've been quiet as a church mouse.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Her Man Shad said, yeah, Bro, that's that's crazy. I
hop I'm praying with a B and C. What's up?
But you know, did you see the video back in
the day or what they what they talking about? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, man, like what did you It's already done and
over with, like and you come back like that's the best.
You can't come back and they.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Can't come back that you can't come back, and then
just left you out of there because.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right now we're safe.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Like once we say once the fact they tried to
come take your stuff and.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Then then everything broke up. All right, now they're not
trying to take your stuff, okay, but it's just now
it's the situation. It's a quick thing. But what you
about to go do? You could just be like all right,
they tried to get me, all right, I mean all
right next or go back in and trying to figure
someone's like that's just what was the part. Once it
broke down and then started going back and left. Now
(01:01:40):
it's like god damn in an instant, bro, yeah, an
instant you can't be on Yeah, so we'll see I
hope over the best. But yeah that's crazy. Yeah for sure.
Hey look here man, we out of time. We want
to thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
For joining us again on another episode of Debo and Joe.
We're gonna be back here on Monday. Please make sure
you guys like to subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing, so.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Please guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Man, we appreciate all the love we get on the
show Man.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
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