Mike Tomlin on HOT SEAT, Micah Parson TRADED to Packers, Shedeur conspiracy

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Cowboys LB Micah Parsons being traded to the Green Bay Packers, Browns legend Joe Thomas claiming there is no conspiracy surrounding Shedeur Sanders, whether this will be the season Mike Tomlin is fired by the Pittsburgh Steelers, and much more!

1:53 - Micah Parsons considered self-centered by Cowboys teammates?

6:00 - Next NFL CBA deal to target player hold-ins

16:05 - Joe Thomas calls out Shedeur Sanders conspiracies 

21:52 - Travis Kelce wants Shedeur to start

25:50 - Steelers tanking for a Top QB?!?!

36:25 - Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers as Steelers QB1

40:43 - Steelers RB jaylen Warren signs extension 

45:29 - Russell Wilson on short leash in NY?

58:20 - Cowboys CB DaRon Bland signs extension

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
So welcome to your first episode The Debo and Joe.
I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here
with my co hosts Joseph Walter Hayden the Third better
known as Joe Hayden. Please like subscribe you don't want
to miss what we got going on here. How you

(00:23):
doing this morning, Joe on the first day of work,
Baby Brother Debo.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
It's an honor of pleasure to be here with you.
I'm excited about the show, excited to get to it.
The vibes everything you gave um a full blown government
name all people don't do the third. Nobody knows Walter,
and nobody knows the Third. You out here giving the
gyms off the ring. Let's get We got to give
them what they ain't never had. Baby, you know, let's
get into this though. Let's get into our first topic.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Man Michael Parsons was reported that some of his Cowboys
teammates viewed him as egotistical and self centered. That's a
Sports Illustrated reporter Albert Burr. He said, Zach Martin, C. D.
Lamb and Dak Prescott are very popular in the locker room.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Not the case with Persons.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Parsons he rattled he will wrangled teammates in different ways,
seen by some as egotistical and self centered. His podcast
has created issues too, that go all the way back
to quarterback Dak Prescott. Dak also added that he wasn't
completely surprised by Parsons trade.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
What do you think of, you know, players having podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I'm not mad at players having podcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
My thing with players having podcasts is if you're gonna
be able to take criticism, you're gonna be able to
give criticism. I think you should be able to. It's
like an interview, like after the games. You can be
able to.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
If you win, you're.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Gonna be able to talk to the media. If you lose,
you'll be able to talk to the media. Being able
to just give constructive criticism and just let him know how.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You really feel.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I think egotistical and self centered seems personal to me.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yes, I want to know who said this.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Who's saying that I'm egatistical, Who's saying that I'm self centered?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know what I'm saying. Put a name to it.
It's real easy once you.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Get out of the locker room to be like this,
Oh that man was egotistical. Nobody was saying that when
he was there. Nobody was saying that he was sacking
everybody up. So I just need people to put names
to that. And it seems a little personal to me
because nobody was saying that when he was making two
point nine million dollars last year when he left for
the forty seven ball.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Now he's egotistical.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So so my thing is this, I think that all
players are self centered to a point, and when it
comes down to it, you have to be because this
is a business. I think what may have happened there
he let the business of football kind of get into
the locker room and ruin the personal relationships that he
dealt with those players. And you know when that get

(02:53):
involved and you start to lose the locker room, you know,
that's not something that coaches want, especially you know when
you're trying to create and get that Lombardi.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
You know you don't want discord in your locker room. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I understand what they're saying, but to the point of
it's not really self centered. Everybody self centered, egotistical, Like
you said, I find that being very personal. The feelings
a lot of these players nowadays, they are very sensitive.
They really shouldn't be getting into their feelings, you know,

(03:31):
like when we play, you know, back in two thousand
and seven till I believe twenty twelve, our defense was
ranked one, one, five, two and one one in those years.
But we were highly you know, critical of each other.
We were critical, you know, of ourselves, and we held

(03:52):
each other accountable. It was, you know, it was nothing
to yell and scream at a guy, you know. You know,
I go back to I go back to stories where
you got foot, You got Casey Hampton and you got foot,
and you know, our big nose top of he clogging
up the middle, he holding up two guys all the time.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
So we get and they'll get.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Maybe four or five yards on the run, you know,
and then maybe they'll get four or five yards later on.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And the first thing hamp would do, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Like, God, damn, what the hell are.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Doing back there?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Man? Y'all gonna stop and make a tackle or what?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And this is like four or five yards.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So you got foot in hemp right there, and they're arguing,
and the rest is like who you talking to?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Like they think we argue with the other team, but
we talk to get a flag Man.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So that was something that you know, I was used to,
you know, even when I first got to the Steelers.
You know you're gonna be held accountable and don't do
it's going to be pointed out.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Bill Cower. Dude when we watch special teams.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
The whole team watched special teams together and he pointed
out everybody that did something wrong, did not do a
block right, Like, so we're going in the meeting, it's like, yo, man,
how do.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
You play on special teams? Bro? No for sure, No, man,
I I kind of missed that one block.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So I think today's you know, players are very very
sensitive when it comes to, you know, being corrected.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
When you're saying that it makes perfect sense because the iron,
the sky doesn't lie. And if a coach can show
you on the tape and you can take accountability, that's
me out there messing up doing that wrong and not
being able to have somebody like you did that, being
able to be like, no, that's me, coach, that's on me.
I got the next one. You know what I'm saying,
Being able to take that criticism, not being like nobody

(05:41):
trying to do one up you or let you know,
but that's not acceptable. Like if it's on the tape,
then it's not good. If you're doing good things on
the tape, we're gonna let you know that's perfect. It
needs to be done so you're sitting the right stuff
and when you do the wrong stuff being able.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
To take it on the chinning like nobody trying to
clown you. Bro. We just know that that's not gonna work.
We're gonna lose with that.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
And then you know, like with him, you know, holding
in as they say, and you know, saying you know
that he had an issue with his back and all
that other stuff. You know, guys either know or don't know.
You can't tell somebody if their back is hurting. But
you know, that's something else where. I believe Mike Flores.
He reported that you know, the next CBA will find

(06:23):
a way to try and stop the hold ds. He
said the holding process gives played players who are willing
to cite injury real or imagine, and not play the
real power the ultimate It's ultimate goal is it ultimately
gave Parsons the power to get out of Dallas. Its
power the NFL wants to keep. The NFL doesn't want

(06:44):
players to have it, so what do you think could
be done or what do you think the could happen
in the next collective burdening agreement that would try and outstack.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So the NFL basically like this, this is the thing.
It is a business. It is a business. I think
with Dak Prescott and Cdee Lamb and with the dudes
on the on the team, the teammates, you understand that
he's going through negotiations. He doesn't want to put himself
out there. He's making two million dollars, he's about to be
making forty to fifty million dollars per year. It's no

(07:14):
point of going out there. And if you are a
Cowboys fan or a Cowboys teammate, you're looking at his
situation a little different from like, you know, he's Why
do you think.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
The NFL will try and attack this with the CBA though, I.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Think the NFL man they going, I mean, you can't
tell me my back's not hurt. So I'm trying to
figure out what specifically they can do to get me
to practice or get me to not practice. I think
when he's there getting treatment and saying things like that,
but I mean, I don't know, maybe they can have
to say if you get you're going to go get

(07:47):
an MRI, You're going to go do all this stuff.
But at the same time, you can't tell me that
my back doesn't hurt. You can't tell me my back
isn't tight. Like I think, go ahead, It's gonna be
tough for them to make that. To make that, you know,
and make NFL players have to do that, I think.
So I think I think we need.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think we need When I say we NFL the
NFL PA, I think they need way, way stronger leadership.
And I go all the way back to you know,
the twenty eleven lockout.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
You were there for that, right.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, My My biggest issue with that was we had poor,
poor leadership. Dean Maurice Smith. I think he was trash too.
When it really comes down to it, I should be president.
That's what it should come down to. I really should
be president because both The first thing I would do

(08:37):
is I would stop letting players vote that are not
vested into the program that they're voting for. So you
got fifty three players on the team, right, you got
another what is now six or eight ten?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
So you got total eleven practice squads.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Okay, so now you go into the season and they
bring in an extra fifty guys, right, those extra fifty
the guys get to vote on the collective bargaining Agreement.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Now, if I'm a rookie, yes, I'm going to vote yes.
I don't care what's in there.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Why because I get an opportunity to make half a
million to multi millions of dollars. I don't care what's
in the collective bargaining agreement. But you're not probably going
to be there. The average NFL career is three and
a half years to get vested. It takes you four
years in four games to get vested. Right, But that

(09:29):
being a case, you're allowing people who will have no
say he and the pod say for something that won't happen.
So I think the NFLPA should make a ruling. That's
the first one that if you aren't invested into this,
you can't a vote into this. The second thing I
think they should allow is players. You know, you get

(09:50):
five years of healthcare after you're out. Players who are
still on that healthcare plan still into the NFLPA.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
They need to be able to have a vote.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
The biggest issue I had with d Smith was you
were put in position to make the hard decisions, and
when it came time to make the hard decisions, you
let The majority of what he's told me was eighty
percent of guys are saying, Yo, I need to go
back to work.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I don't have this, I don't have that.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Didn't they tell us for two years to save up
your money so that you had enough to last a
year of a lockout. So the guys, the guys that
didn't listen, I'm sorry, But me, being the president of
the NFLPA, I'm trying to take care of past president
in future. What he did was worried about the guys
that didn't listen and didn't do what they were supposed

(10:40):
to do, And for me.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
That is a trash move.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm not going to allow my son to do something
that I know is not good for him. You were
putting a position of power where you can make that decision.
I had guys on other teams that were like, dude,
we didn't even vote.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
We went in.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
They were like, oh, yeah, we're going to practice. Everything passed.
How did y'alls go?

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Man?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, it means a little bit of the same way.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think the vested players, the older guys, the dudes
that were really in the league. For a minute, we're
reading it, we're reading the contract, was trying to figure
out to try to get the best deal.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Dudes, some other dudes like you said, that didn't save up,
weren't really ready for it. Like man live in more
paycheck to paycheck. They like, this is my secondear in
the league. I need to go get this check. I
don't know what y'all are talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Right, So that's what they're counting on. They're counting on
the guys into years two, three four. They didn't do
what they were supposed to do. Now they're going to
be that extra you know, ten percent or whatever it
may be that's going to put them at the fifty
one percent that they need to get it passed. As
the NFLPA president, I think the biggest thing they need

(11:42):
to do is make it to where you cannot vote
on the CBA unless you were invested into it. And
I think that would make it a whole lot more
beneficial for us as players. Pass former all that to
be able to get the things that really matter. I mean,
look at the Collective Bargain Agreement. I think that just

(12:04):
passed the biggest thing in there was, Hey, we don't
get suspended for smoking weed.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Come on, yeah, yeah, you know, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And that's that's another thing too.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
They keeping that over the NFL's head because weed is
something that nobody they need to they need to let
it be legal. They need to not test dues for
weed because the end of the day, that is medical.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
I can't agree with that.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Let me tell you this, debo, let me tell you
why I say this.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm to tell you why I say this, because if
you're going to tell me that somebody can't go and
do their job, they can drink and go on the job,
you'll get fired. If you there high and can't practice,
you're going to get fired. Nobody's gonna want to lose
their job over some weed. Or maybe they might, but
that's gonna be their prerogative. They're grown, they're an adult.
They can go smoke weed. They can go drink right

(12:50):
before practice and come there. They better be on time.
They have to do their meetings. That's your job, that's
your profession. Nobody got to tell me what I can
go do on my recreational time.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
But you also got to understand that that you know,
I believe and I see that a lot of these
nfl PA reps or people that are working for the
nfl PA, it looks like half of them are trying
to get a job at the NFL. I mean, you go,
prime example, look at Troy Vinson. He was an NFL

(13:22):
PA REP person. He worked for the nfl PA. Next
thing you know, he's gone. Now he's working for the NFL.
That was during that whole time, you know, you know
when Upshaw I ended up passing away sadly, and they
switched it over, and then Maurice came in and he
shot over to the NFL, to the NFL, and now

(13:44):
all of a sudden, you know, this thing, you know,
gets passed with flying colors where you had teams talking
about we didn't even vote. I mean, I understand all
they needed was fifty one percent, but like it, it
doesn't make sense, and it seems like it's a some
self sabotage going on.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
In the nfl PA.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
With them making it possible for the NFL to just
glide over with these you know, these CBA agreements.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Man, No, I feel you.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I feel I think you just want better representation strictly
for the players, and I think that you you feel
like they're a little bit of they're a little bit
of cahoots. You know what I'm saying at the end
of the day, not trying to protect the cahoots.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I'll get you cahoots.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
So I'll go back to the whole Al Jazeer thing
where they were saying that I was on g H
and it was all these other players on GH.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So the lawyer that the NFL PA gave me, she
said she was close friends with d Smith. So I'm like,
all right, cool, whatever. So I sit down with her
and I'm talking to her. She's asked me all the questions,
have you ever did this?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Have you ever did that?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No?

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I ain't did this, I ain't did that, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I was telling her some stuff that my father had did.
I had did some alternative treatments for him because he
had cancer and so on and so forth. She's like, well,
what did you you know do this?

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Do that?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I didn't do none of that, you know, blah blah
blah blah. Right, So I get into the meeting with
the NFL lawyers were trying to make like I did
something that I didn't do.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
And I'm in there with her as my representative.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Right, I sit down in the meeting, and the first
thing the NFL lawyers tell me is, okay, so your
your dad. You know he had cancer and he did
some alternative treatments. You uh, you say you didn't do.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
None of that. Are you sure about that?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
If I was guilty and had told her this, she
would have ran and told them everything. That's the representation
you sent for me and attorney to me, you're crazy, dude.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
It was no.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Okay, no, I could respect that you did that. That's
that's that's wicked.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, for sure. I see you got that Cleveland hat
on though. So let's go ahead go to Cleveland. Now,
let's go ahead, go to Cleveland. So, uh, they said,
shador Your guy Joe Thomas had something to say about
the door. They said it was strong. I don't know
exactly how you know strong.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
I would I would say this is.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Thomas said, they're not conspiring to sabotage somebody who, by
the way, would be great for the league, and he
is great for the league because the league wants eyeballs
on it.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
There is no reason they would.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Be trying to conspire against him in sabotage. He all
goes on to say, I think his ceiling, I think
he has a higher, higher ceiling. He's a great playmaker.
He was a tremendous he was tremendously accurate. He has
the feel when he's in the game and how to
make the big plays. But just because you have the

(16:58):
ceiling that's really hi and the potential to be able
to do that, doesn't mean you could do that right now,
do you? What do you think of those comments about Shador,
well from Joe about Shador.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I love Joe Thomas, I love Joe T. And I
know that Joe T is in Cleveland. He's out there,
he's amongst the people, so he knows the pulse a
little bit. And for me, I think it's more of
the managers, the general manager, the owners and things trying
to just chill the noise. They understand that they have Shador.

(17:32):
They're just really trying to start Joe Flacco right now
because he's just a consecutive vet. You know what you're
gonna get. I think that they're gonna try to build
Shador up a little bit, just give him a little
bit of chances. But all right, let me keep it
a being okay when Shardor did his last preseason game
and they had the third stringers, fourth stringers out there.

(17:53):
I didn't feel like that was a good position to
put him in to win. And then when they had
the fourth quarter drive with one possession left and they
took him out and put Huntley in, I don't think
they did not want him to dry that ball down
there and get a touchdown, just because it's just too
much noise for the Browns to handle right now. I
think they want Flacco to get in there, steady the

(18:13):
ship and then let Shador and let Dylan keep on
battling it out. In my mind, Chador is going to
be the better quarterback. Shador is stilling this higher and
what Joe Thomas is saying, but he's saying, there's no
point in throwing them into the fire.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
They have an OG, they have Joe flaccoh somebody can
just try to settle the thing. Let the season go,
Let's get us some wins. You know what I'm saying.
He's been in the league now what eighteen years, so
he's more of a just vet. The same thing that
they're doing in New York with Dark and Wilson. You
know what, I'm saying you need to just have a
vet out there because you don't want to throw your rookie.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, he's the long term deal. He's going to
be there for a while.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah. I kind of agree with Joe, don't.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't see them going in and drafting a guy
that they don't see could possibly help the team. Rather,
that is, if that's right now or later on down
line that you know, that is up to them to
to make that decision or where they see his development
going to.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
But I don't I.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Don't see the conspiracy of actually drafting a guy anywhere
and then you know, not giving him opportunities or just
sitting him there, just the sitting there.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I had a question for you draft him at all.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I got a question for you though, do you, in
your personal opinion, do you think should or should have
went in the fifth round? And if you do like
and or if not, why do you think he went
in the fifth round?

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I don't think he should have went that low.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And the reason I think he went, you know, that
low is I think it has something to do with,
you know, with his dad, whether that is them not
liking him or him not going and doing you know,
the workouts, you know, answer the questions either told him
not to. I mean, it's it's a big difference between
you know, Dion's talent and is talent. You know Dion,

(20:03):
you know that's generational. Shador is a talented athlete. But
to you know, going there and and not you know,
not work out, not not give him something. I think
you know, for me as a as a owner or
or a head coach that you know, I want to
see him do or you know, throw certain you know throws,

(20:23):
or just having there just to see it, you know,
in front of and yeah, I would feel some type
of way. But I mean to be fifth, you know,
I think I think that was a little low.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So for sure I respect that though too, I think
that he thinks that he didn't go into the process
the way he should have answering the white questions. You know,
at the end of the day, you're trying to you're
working for somebody, you're working for a company, you know
what I'm saying. And at the quarterback position is a
little bit different than dB or wide receiver, where I'm
gonna just come here, I'm gonna do what I gotta
do and just handle business regardless when you're a.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Quarterback, you're the franchise.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
They want you to act a certain way, you know
what I'm saying, Maybe treat them a certain type of way,
you know what I'm saying, because you're gonna have the keys,
you're gonna be the man.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So I think if you were to go back.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
And do it, he would have probably did that a
little bit differently, you know what I'm saying, Just being
a little cocky, letting him know, like, yeah, I'm him.
But at quarterback, you gotta kind of transform and just
be a little more.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Uh Yeah, they.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gotta, they gotta, they gotta have an opportunity to really
you know, see and and and get the the for sure. Yeah,
this is what I'm getting. It wasn't because you know,
you had this prolific receiver. You know, had horned too,
you know, so it wasn't you know, it wasn't like, uh,
you know, he didn't have some good receivers over there.
So I I totally you know, understand it. And like

(21:45):
I said, at the same time, I understand you know,
how other people see it as being unfair because of
you know, the comparison of you know with his father.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
But uh, your your.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Boy, Travis Kelsey, you're Cleveland or he said that they
should give the people what they want. In terms of
Browns fans, shador start give the people what they want.
The world wants to see him go out there and
not only play, but have success.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
At this point, guys are rooting for him.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
This isn't anything against Dylan, this isn't anything against Joe.
I'm just saying the excitement is there for Shadora to
go out there. He's going to put eyes on the screen.
He's going to bring people to the game. What do
you what do you think about Travis saying that.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Man, that boy Travis is speaking that good stuff right there.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Listen, this is what I think. This is what I
think Travis should do. Man, Travis can afford it now
or we'll be able to. I think what Travis should
do is go ahead, since he feels so strongly about this, Travis,
you should go and buy the Browns fans make the

(22:56):
decisions of who is going to play and who's going
to start.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's it. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I'm I mean, you know, I mean, no, no disrespect
to the Hasms. Love the Hasms to death, But if
they were up to sell. Selling to Travis because him
and Taylor got the bag enough to buy.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
And I'm they're.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Chilling with my good man, Travis, the new owner of
the Plea.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's like man, but for real, real though.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Travis is speaking the way that I feel like and
I know, like end of the day, they got Flacco
just to make sure everything's good. He's a veteran, he's
been the league for a long time. But get the
people what they want. He talking about, get me.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
What I want. I want you.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I want you to you're talking to me. I want
your door.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Sanders out there doing for real, starting with the starting line,
the starting receivers, the starting saying.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Go ahead, put him out there.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
No no, no, no no no, let him let him.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do what he do.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I don't want it, don't don't work. Then you fall
back to Joe.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
No no, no, no, that's not what I Travis is
saying what I what I want to say, but I'm
not going to really say it. I really want Travis
is saying. That's what Trav said. Travis saying what That's
not what I'm saying. I feel Travis, though, because I
wouldn't be mad at it, but I want it to
be Flacco just go in there, you know what I'm saying.

(24:18):
Hopefully does as best as he can. But as soon
as he starts losing, boom in there ready and I'm
not wishing on Flacco's downfall.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
So that's how many games you gotta lose before before
Travis throw I'm gonna say Travis before Travis throat.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Uh, he gotta lose.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
He gotta lose three of them jumps.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Three, three, three, three in a row is just three, period.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It depends on our record.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
If it's two in a row and we're looking foggy
and then we lose another one three three in a
row for show, it's definitely time.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
But he win a game, he bought some.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
You lose.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
He went too in a row, two in a row.
He went two in a row. Oh, he's chilling for
a little bit, Sha door, need to just start, you
know what I'm saying. Making sure take notes watching he lose.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
One though, work then he win one and lose one,
win one and lose one, win to.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Lose one, win one, lose one. Now he had he had,
he had three and two.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
As long as he don't lose two in a row
and close to three in a row. He's solid, he's
square business because like that means we're we're in the mix.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
We keeping it.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Five hundred, keeping it five hundred. Soon he gets below
five hundred, it's time.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
So so speaking of quarterbacks, let's go over here to
the Stillers man. I guess the Stellers sent a scout
to look at the South Carolina quarterback Sears. It says,
if things start off poorly, could you could this finally
be the season that the Stellers tank for a top
quarterback in the NFL. Do you think that Stealers would

(26:01):
tank for a top quarterback in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
That sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Do you think coach Thomlins would come into one of
those team meetings in the morning talking about taking the
al like we're men, we have something to do, Like
this is our job. We don't get paid by the hour,
you know what I'm saying? Like coach he not with that.
He gonna come in that jont motivating with speeches and everything,
like we're gonna go undefeated. It don't matter what they're
not even undefeated, We're gonna win this week. That's why

(26:27):
I like about coach t He's not looking too far ahead.
What we're gonna do is who we play, what is
our things. We're gonna work on our schedule. We're gonna
do Mondays, We're gonna do like line, We're gonna do
a red zone. We're gonna do certain things. We have
a schedule that we're gonna do and we're gonna do
it no matter who we play. You know what I'm saying.
What you mina say, the nameless gray Faces, it doesn't
matter who they play, they gonna have to come see us,

(26:48):
you know what I'm saying. So tanking for the Steelers
is crazy that somebody would even think about that because
we were with Duck Hodges, my good man, not knocking up.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
We're trying to win.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
We thought we were gonna win every game in the Duck,
the quarterback, every game we go out, never fought left.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
We never felt like we.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Were inferior or anything like we about to bush all that.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Seriously, I never, I never, I would never think of
the Stellers tanking. And you know again, my biggest reason
is Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin is not going to tank
a season no matter what. He hasn't had a losing
season and what is it eighteen years. He's not going

(27:29):
to go out there and try and have a losing season.
And I know people say, you know what, man, it's
time for a change, It's time for this, it's time
for that. You know, he hasn't won a playoff game
since twenty sixteen. Yeah, you know, that's that's that's one
of the knocks. But how many coaches out there, you know,

(27:49):
can you say has the record he has has never
had a losing season, And to be quite honest with you,
I believe that's one of the reasons why he will
always keep a job in Pittsburgh. You know, rather he
wins a playoff game or not. If he doesn't have
a losing season, then you know he's he's going to

(28:11):
be there.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
They're not going to get rid of him.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
They're they're they're going to resigning. If you you know,
you look at the history of all coaches that is
in the position that he's in. None of them have
been fired, all of them have been rehired. And if
you do that today, in the hyper sensitive racial culture
that we have, things would explode. And I get it.

(28:35):
I totally get it for the people who are like, hey,
but the standard is the standard. Yeah, it's sort of
starting to sound like lip service because now it looks
like the standard is five hundred because we haven't won
a playoff.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Game since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know, you got you got six in one hand,
you got a half a dozen in the other. And
you know, I understand routes. The issue is you can't
get rid of that. It's not you can't. You know,
you jump out of you know, the grass is always

(29:12):
green on the other side, and you think it's green inside. Yeah,
I think it's not really greener than that.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
And if somebody were they were to let go coach
t he would be picked up the quickest of any
coach of all time. A lot of the other coaches would,
a lot of other organizations would love to.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Have coach Tomlin as the head coach.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
And especially the way that people speak about him, like
I know me, for instance, just playing from a bunch
of different coaches in Cleveland coming to Pittsburgh, Darius Slay,
Jalen Ramsey, it's not just us.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's like that's not normal.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
The way that he just is able to interact with
his players, the way he's able to legitimately like have
real conversations with you, He's not.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I will say this, I understand where you're coming from
with that, and I had that.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
I had that relationship.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Where where my relationship with Tomlin broke down was towards
the end, you know, the last last year. And he
always says, as a tough question, I'll give you a
tough answer. Well, I was asking the tough cash stuff.
You know, I was asking the tough questions, but I
wasn't getting the tough answers. I was getting the answers that,
you know, he thought would appease me. To be quite

(30:22):
honest with you, I'm like, yo, you know I need
to play. I need to do this, I need to
do that. Like okay, yeah, we we got you know,
we got plans, we're going to we're going to do something,
and you know, nothing came to it. And what it
really came down to is, I'm like, yo, if you
just sitting me here to have me as a backup
just in case one of your young guys go down

(30:44):
and you can put me in there, I understand that,
but say that, say that right, say that to my face.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I could deal with it better then you.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Sitting here and feeding me a whole crock of stuff
that does not make sense, you know, to the point
of where we're going. I think it was Shuston or something,
can't remember, but it was before Christmas, and I'm like, yo,
I know you're not going to dress me. I know
you're not going to play me. Why don't you just

(31:14):
let me stay at home? This is twenty seventeen, right,
so why don't you just let me stay at home
for this game? And that way I could spend Christmas,
you know, with my family whatever. No, no, no, I
can't do that. No, No, we're going. You know we're going.
We might need you, okay, and then immediately leave. It

(31:36):
was that Thursday or Friday. He released me, like, that's
that's not something you just did on the drop of
a hat. You know what I'm saying. That was in
the works, as he said, a numbers you know thing
or whatever it may be. No, you saw, here's the
crazy part. I said. Week one we played Cleveland. We

(31:58):
played y'all, and I said, hey, I see what you
want to do. You want to you want to play
your young guys. I totally understand that phase me out.
You got younger guys. I don't feel they're better than
me right now, but and time, yes, they will be.
So why don't y'all just release me and let me
go play my you know year out somewhere else. No, no, no, no,

(32:23):
we got a plan for you. No, you don't have
a plan, man, And that's the same thing you kept
feeding me. So I got to the point where, like,
you know what, I'm just discroung I'm trying to do
anything to get out of here, Like I'm trying to
make y'all release me, dude, Like I'm I'm I'm neb
I'm doing a little bit of every I'm saying my
back hurt. I'm telling them any and everything, like you

(32:45):
just release me.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You are funny because you saying this is bringing it back.
That was my when I first signed was twenty seventeen,
when it was the when you was like kind of
like that was the year. You know what I'm saying,
when they had it was a TJ and Bud. You know,
I said, you was getting the time and then you
was coming into the means. I'm like, oh yeah, just
thugging it. Debo, like you saying released, I said, you know, yeah,

(33:09):
I remember, I remember I was there.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I said oh yeah, that's Debo for real. But that's
the thing that ain't that ain't even a character.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I know Debo, but I'm just saying that was my
first time over there.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
You wasn't being bole was like, yeah, I could just
tell you wasn't on that, but it was like it
was You've been there so long, did so much. That's
when the business kind of really hit to where you
have a personal relationship with coach Thomlin, like you feel
like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm asking you
the hard question. You should be able to give me
our answers. We're grown, We're maturing this man, like, yes,
I can understand no question, but tell me something so

(33:46):
no for shure I can. I can see that one
hundred thousand percent. And like literally on my way out
of the door too. In Pittsburgh, we was you have
those conversations until they get a little bit too difficult
for them to have, and then that's when the business
side clicks and it's like.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is dang it really is still a business.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
We cool as a mug, were super chill, but dang,
I still got chopped and didn't even know you know
what I'm saying. It gets to that, because at the
end of the day, it is love. Once you sign
that contract. Now we're gonna make this family a family
because we're gonna be here. We gotta be here. You
know what I'm saying. I'm working with you because I'm
gonna do my job to make sure myself bloos good.

(34:24):
You're gonna coach me up. And now we got a relationship.
But soon as somebody else coming in contracted the acting
Kevin Coolberg get to talking to him, and he like this, ooh,
so we're gonna have to let buddy go. That's their conversation.
Don't have nothing to do with our relationship. My kids
that you see, you know what I'm saying, Like they
like this.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Where mine really fell apart is I believe it was
either Tennessee or Indie. I don't practice all week. He's saying,
all right, you're going to get reps, gonna rotate you
in whatever whatever. Right I get to the game. When
I get to the game, Joe, I am a no dress.

(35:02):
I have no uniform in my locker. I am a
game day scratch and I ain't been told a word
till I walk in and see it. I told him, right,
then and there, I said, listen, if I ain't playing,
I ain't staying.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
And I left and went home.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yes you did.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's when I started trying to do everything I could
to get out of there.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Now now are you only.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Now you just just not.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Even talking to me? Yeah, and telling me anything? You
just blatantly lying out.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
You coming too the game debo and your pads aren't
in your locker and it's a sweatsuit in the joint.
I'm oh, yeah, you you fed you you you have
every right to be fed, especially when you're talking to him.
You're asking these questions when they like, just let me
know where I'm at, and now I'll let you know
where you're staying. If you want to know, I tell you.
And then you're not telling me. That's yeah, that's great,

(35:57):
that's great. I'm sorry that don't happen like that, brother,
But you know how that But you know, yes, I snapped,
and that's what you're like, Oh, okay, so I'm right.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
You got to business business, you know what I'm saying.
You thought that personal relationship you had what's gonna get
you honesty, No, it's gonna get you what he needs
to tell you to keep his business, keep his position, to.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Keep what he needs going so he can keep his
job at this business.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So for sure, you know,
uh speaking of the Stellers, like we got Anon Rodgers
over there, how far how far you think we're gonna
get with Rogers?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I lie to you, not, man, I'm if he can
stay healthy.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Aaron Rodgers is one of the best throwers of the
ball that I've seen spiral always on point. I think
him being there with Coach T like like you said,
the Stiller's defense, it's always been amazing. And when we've
had several different quarterbacks, Office has been able to get there.
Just don't mess it up. Aaron Rodgers is in the
quarterback that there's a lot of interceptions. He's not going
to be putting the ball, turning it over, putting the

(36:54):
defense in bad positions. So I think if he could
just stay upright, stay healthy, and his ball placement is amazing,
just being him and Coach T working together on a plan,
like you don't gotta throw for five thousand, but you
could throw for twenty five tudies and like two interceptions
and we could be balling, like as long as the
defense isn't set back in a terrible position. I think
they'd be good to go. So him with Coach T,

(37:17):
I think it's gonna be solid. I just hope they
start losing. How do you think it goes? If they
start losing, Man, if they start losing, it's gonna go
the same way. Man, you know how it is. It's
one week at a time. I think they're gonna be
able to try. They're gonna just try to figure it out,
figure out what's going on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I just hope that you think that relationship stays the same,
do you think or does it dissipate like you were.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Talking about here, I think that I think that I
think that Coach T may have a different relationship with
the quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying, because that's like
him and him a big ben. I think that their
relationship was pretty pretty solid, you know what I'm saying.
And with the quarterback position, with Aaron's knowledge, I think
him maybe.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Go Depo, stop making your face like that. Stop making
face like that.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
From what I assume, you assume what you assuming, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But I'm just saying from my from my eyes, they
might not have got along too. Well, they got along
my eyes like they got along, And I think that
with a smart quarterback like that, with Aaron and his knowledge,
I think they're gonna be able to try to figure
something out.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Just in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
What do you think, Debo, You was there longer than me. I,
like I said, I'll say again, I think if things
go well, they go well, that's why it's a one
year deal. If they go well, it's possibility for being
you know, something else. But if they don't, you know,
our tithes is cut and we go, you know the

(38:39):
way we go.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
I think it gets super ugly if they get.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
To a point to where it's looking like it's going
to be thomas first losing season, because now that puts
him in a position he's never been in, and it
opens up the gate to a lot of other decisions

(39:04):
that could be made, you know, by the organization. No,
for sure, I think Rogers, to be honest with you,
I don't think he's the player that he used to be.
I think now it's to the point where those balls
that he would zip out there and it's just a

(39:25):
fingertip away and you couldn't get to it. Now guys
are getting a hand on that ball. Some guys are
picking that ball. The placement is not exactly perfect like
it was. You know, it's three inches off, three inches off,
the difference somebody touching the ball, picking the ball in
the ball, getting into the receiver's hands. I don't know,

(39:46):
if you know, he's come to the realization that, you know,
it's a little something, a little different. Maybe he has
to adjust and he just hasn't adjusted to it yet.
But you know, that's the big difference that I see.
You know, especially like when you know, we played him
in the Super Bowl, it's like, you know, you got
you got RC He's right there and it's you know, fingertip, yeah,

(40:07):
and he just misses it, and you know it's it's
a tuddy. So those those plays and those throws that
you know, he had his whole career, I think over
the last.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Year or two, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You know, he just doesn't have those perfect, you know,
throws anymore.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
And you know that.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I think that's the difference that you know, we're seeing
now in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
No, for sure, I'm rooting for him because Aaron Rodgers
been one of my favorite quarterbacks for a long time.
And I'll do good for his rooting for Oh go
throw out some discount double checks.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Man. I think if you bring that back in like
you might get back sweet.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh hold on, hold on, we got breaking news. Brother
still is running back. Jaalen Warren m headed into the
last year of his deal, just signed a two year
deal extension that keeps him contractually tied to the Pittsburgh
Stillers through two twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Do you like this move? I love this move. I
was gonna say the same.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Thing because Jalen Warren he hits that hole like he cares.
He's hits it.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
He's going to get north and south, he's going to
catch the ball out of the backfield, he's going to block,
and he looks like he just he just cares.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
To me.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
When I see him run, I see his passion. I
see him being a being a very very good asset
to the team. So that's why I think they didn't
care as much. Not never knocking Nausey love nause but
it wasn't as expensive, and he was hitting that hole
very hard, so then being able to keep him, I
think that's a great move for the Stillers. I don't
think they probably had to pay my man too much.

(41:42):
But he's worth every penny or whatever they signed up
for because he's he's he's he deserves backpay. He's getting
a little back pay in this contract and then this
joint right now because he's solid player. I think he's
a good dude, and I think he's going to be
solid for the stillers for show.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, I agree with you. You know, I think, you know,
having him there, you know, gives you a better opportunity
to have a running game, which will hopefully help take
some of that you know, pressure off off of Rogers
and you know, stop you know, allowing the d line
to just pin their ears back in certain situations, keep

(42:18):
the game close. You know, when you got the when
you have you know, a to a two headed monster
so to speak. And I wouldn't even call it a monster.
You have a two headed attack and you have a
running game that can complement your passing game.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
It's you know, it's a lot harder to zero in.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
He is a you know, he's a good running back.
Like you said, North and South. You know, he's going
to put his head down and you know, if it's
nothing but three four yards in a cloud of dust,
that's all you need to, you know, change moving. So
I definitely, you know, like the move. I'm you know,
I'm I'm all in for it.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I like that. You're a Warren Jayla Warren fan. We
feel the same way that dude is.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
He just gets after it, bro, Yo, man, why just
do it on Chad Talk? Why this dude chat on
live talking about he gonna beat my ayes?

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
No, he not ojo o Joe. That's my good man too.
I mean, Oho, that's my good man. I don't know
y'all ain't going nobody.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
I sent you the word. Man.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I'm trying to be I'm trying to be a I'm
trying to live my life right, be peaceful. But what
he's doing is see he making me go back into
the other side. No, I'm gonna bust his ass, bro,
I'm taking to where he can't see out both eyes
one of his eyes. Damn there, he ain't gonna be
able to see out to neither one of them.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Come on, Devo, see relaxed, Debo. We got chick.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I'm gonna get on it. I'm gonna talk to I'm
gonna talk too. We're gonna talk. We all gonna we
all gonna just chill. You want to listen. I'm gonna
talk to him with these hands in his.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Feet and the feet.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
And the feet.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It's May style, man, it ain't it ain't nothing stopped,
you know what. Let me stop that. Oh yeah, that's
what I'm saying. I ain't gonna urt him too bad. No, man,
that's my great man. Come on, that's a good dude
right there. Hurt him too bad. I'm just go doing nothing.
I'll just put him to sleep. I'm just talking out.
How about that?

Speaker 4 (44:02):
All right?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Just let him tap quick tap.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
I can't. I don't even know if I can let him. Okay,
if he tapped in.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Quick tap, soon as you get on, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Nah nah, I gotta make it like I ain't feel
the tap. Though he got he got at least fall
out for a little bit. You know what I'm saying.
I'm gonna tap you for Who are you taking me?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Or Chad?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
We gotta get this. We got we're getting this set up.
So we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Listen, if we're talking m m A, brother, we're taking
mm A. I'm taking you de bo because I'm telling you,
I mean, how you gonna I'm just don't want you to.
You grab hold of Chad. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I don't know how it's gonna get out.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
He ain't, he ain't.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And see, that's what I'm gonna do, because I'm a
nice person. You just grab a hold of Just squeeze.
Matter of fact, I'm just gonna bear hugging me till
he tapped.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Just break a rib, you know, Just squeeze him so
tight until.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
It's rib chill chill, do you you know?

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Chill?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Debo's better than damaging you know, his vision permanently.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
But let's see it.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Look, you can heal from that.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Let's get off my good man, Chad, and get to
some more takes. You out here trying to fight?

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Listen, man, I ain't trying to fight here on life
talking about what you gonna do to me? What you
want me to do? Man?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, you got you gotta respond.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I gotta respond. What else am I supposed to do?
Not respond? That's my bad, listen, man. So the Giants
got some issues over there, right that even really an issue?
You know, they got some quarterback possibility, uh, things going on.
The Giants have a demanding no open season schedule. It

(45:43):
looks like playing the Commander's Cowboys, Chiefs and Chargers over
the first four weeks of twenty twenty five. Buddy, I've
let it reports that Russ must engineer wins against those
contenders to prevent head coach from benching him for the
rookie Dark. It sounds off of me to two dollars

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nineteen when the plan was for Eli Manning to start
with Jones on the bench, and then Jones took over
aftern oh two start.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Do you like how Jackson Dark played this preseason? I do?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Do you like enough to just be like going here
and don't give Russell shot at all?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
No, they're doing the same thing that the Browns are
doing with Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
To Russell Wilson, They're literally putting them out there.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
If you start losing, dark Tonyard, if you win, you
can hold them all for a little bit longer them dudes, bro.
Russell Wilson contract one year, eleven point three million, Joe
Flacco's contract one year for four million, up to up
to thirteen if he plays.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
So both of them.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Dudes got team friendly contracts. The coaches is like this,
we got these bets out there here fourteen year eighteen,
with these rookies behind them, they're gonna look and see
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
They might not get their head beating off.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
The beginning of the season, watch and learn, see because
it's about to be you out there to take notes,
you know what I'm saying. So as long as the
bets can hold it off, they're gonna be out there
to play. Russell same thing, he goes, but he got
a schedule on his head. He might go, he might,
They might get hit fox shots.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Okay, So what happens if Russ get out there rush
doers things? Somehow miraculously he falls back into the form
he had in Seattle and he's doing the thing and he.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Done went Pro Bowl, All Pro. What happens then next year?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Next year they might give him another one year jont
maybe two.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
But with Rown, did they get darting? Right?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
They got dart in the first round, But like Patrick.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Don't get a first round or to see him around.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
For Patrick Mahomes. Like Patrick Homes, Patrick Mahomes didn't play.
Patrick Mahomes didn't play. Aaron Rodgers didn't play.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
These dudes chill and as soon as they got in
they took off. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
If I think if Patrick Mahomes would have got in
before Alex Smith was ready to move, then he might
have been looking crazy.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
If it's a learning curve.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
It's a little curve, little curve. So like I think
the longer, the.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Big learning curve.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I think for quarterbacks it's even it's even bigger, you know,
I mean you go back to I mean, well, Ben
ended up starting I believe his first year after.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Uh I think it might have been an injury or
what you know what. Ben had been had a running
game in all the game and.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
The defense y'all wass knock the people's heads off, and
they had a big line and y'all was toting that joint.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
So Ben got the opportunity, I believe, to have that
that learning curve, but actually being there and do it
through the process of the first you know, a couple
of years, you know where they'd run the ball, run
the ball, hit you with a you know, hitch with
a deep pass or run run pass here, run run
pass here. However it was which took you know a

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lot of a lot of pressure off him, especially as
being a young quarterback sitting out there trying to read
you know, defenses, you know, complicated defenses at that and
you know, that opportunity I think helped him, you know,
grow even faster. I think, you know, even to the
point of you know, where he would you know, especially
when he was real young, he scrambled around, and I

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think like some of that may have been you know,
just trying to get to the read and time just
maybe couldn't get to the reading time. And now you
know the pressure is coming, so now he scrambles. And
what's the first thing that happens when the quarterbacks starts scrambling?
Your defense breaks down, you know, trying to get to
whoever's near you. And that's great, you know when you're

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a quarterback, because now it's just spot and throw, you know,
spot the guy you want to hit and throw it
to him. So I think that, you know, that was
something that was beneficial to him, you know, being a
young quarterback, having that running game, having that office in line,
having that defense that you know what's going to make
sure that you got opportunities to be able to go

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out there and just take it, take your time, you know,
getting into the NFL system and then having a defense
that if you did make a mistake, you know they
were there to back you up and put out the fire.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yep, you ain't feel like they putting the whole everything
on them.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
It's not all depending on you. We're gonna be good regardless.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Just don't go out here and mess it all up,
you know what I'm saying, Like, just be consistent, do
your part, do your one eleventh, and we're gonna be good.
I think that's really good for rookies not having to
have too much on their head to come in there
and like, oh no, I got to change the franchise. No,
you need to come out here, make sure you know
the reason, know what you're doing, know where everybody's job is,
and then we're gonna be able to get into it.
Hand the ball, great running back, you got you know

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what I'm saying. Behind this big line.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
So at what point do you think they put in
dark and where is that?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I'm I think it's the same thing, just depending on
how he starts off the season, and I think that
I think after the first after Russell Wilson going to at.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Two and two like like like like Jones, it goes
on to what happens.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
He goes on to they talking that he might he's
he goes on to he might start the third game,
he may get pulled.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
So you say, he go on to that it's possibly
he gets a chance in the third game. Yeah, having
the rook ready to go ahead and step on me.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
He might get pulled that game, won't make it to
the don't. I don't know if he make it to
the fourth, if they going three. Because the way Dart
was looking in the preseason, he looked, Yeah, he looked
like a man.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
This is gonna be keep losing like he was.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Another thing I hate about the preseason, man, is that
you don't really get to see the players that you're
going to get to see in the regular season. So
it may make some guys look better than what they are.
You're not actually going against the talent that you would
be going against because you know, like you said, like

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I said, rather fifty of those guys that just got
put in there aren't going to make it. So you
know that's again another six and one hand half a dozen.
Then the other said, yeah, but do you think that
if this doesn't work here and Rush gets the bench,

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do you think this is the last stop for him?

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Do you think that's man?

Speaker 3 (52:35):
No quarterbacks have thirteen thousand lives, and I know for
show somebody have him as a backup somewhere, like, Yeah,
I think he's a good dude.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't know. The circus.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
They they might think Russell has a little bit of
stuff going on with him, But in my opinion, I
think he'd be able to stay in the league a
couple more years for sure, if not trying to fight
for a starting You.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Say the circus, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta elaborate
on that.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
When I say the circus, they just the way Russell
would go, go h whatever the team it is, go
like just as little that stuff and then some just
from Seattle.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I don't he's a good dude.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Try to say he's a little like corny and then
bringing in Sierra like there's more than just.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's a it's a it's a it's a little bit
of an entourage to him too.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
And I don't mean, I don't I don't mean to
say circus. I don't think it's a circus. I love Sierra,
I love nothing.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
But nice to me.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
But the way that people always try to make other
people's situations seem like, oh, we got so much going on.
NFL owners, they may not want to have time for
if your quarterback is not balling like a fifty million
dollars quarterback, they might think that that's a lot that
comes with him. So I'm not trying to say that
that's me personally. I'm just trying to say, how the
way you know what I'm saying, leave.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think, I mean, just from what I've seen and
what I heard, I think I think to any organization,
you know, depending on not any organizations, depending on where
you're at, I don't think New York it would.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
It would be such.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
A thing, I think, and they can handle it smaller, Yeah,
I think it's smaller less smaller cities. It was the
smaller market or of a distraction, you know, especially you
know with the with the entourage that you know comes
along with it, and uh, the players, you know, you know,

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we in Pittsburgh, you know, don't nobody go around with
you know, bodyguards or anything like that. Everybody you know
goes where they need to go by themselves. So but
for me, I think it would be his last stop.
It's New York. It's it's the Giants, bro, I mean,

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where where else you go go from there?

Speaker 3 (54:52):
If you it's badly not to like just if he
wants to stay in the league, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
You know how you got those guys.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Man, At the end of the day, back up quarterbacks
is probably one of the easiest positions to have in
the league if you go back.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Do he want to do he want to be a
backup quarterback?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Making you know, league minimum and you know it's a
lot that goes on with you having all that stuff
around you. Is that even you know, worth it at
that point?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
For sure, I don't think it would be worth it
to Russ, But you never know, like if he wants
to still be involved in the game, like this is
what he's doing. But at the same time, like you said,
he got a lot of stuff going on off the field,
so he may not like eleven eleven million a year
right now to him is he's he got dub so
he's not really worried, may not be worried about the
bread as much. But I'm like, for the love of

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the game, if you want to go give yourself a
shot to try to continue. You're right, I don't know
who many teams maybe give him that starting opportunity. If
he's okay with the backup role, then be a situation
he might just got to be like, you know what,
like my time is up or like you got gracefully
by the league gonna let you know when your time
is up when you stop getting you know, like, oh,

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ain't nobody hitting.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Okay, so I guess it's my time to go ahead
and go.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Yeah, I'll agree with you on that that.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I think it's going to come down to him going
somewhere and them saying, Okay, you're going to be the starter.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
I don't I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Him going somewhere and being okay with saying okay, I'm
going to be the backup to blah blah blah. You know,
it gives you a you know, a person that has
played in this game for a while understands things too,
you know, and can come in and give you that
that that fill in when you would need it. But
is he willing to do that? That's going to be

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the big thing that is going to be yet to
be seen.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
I would say far as him being corny, man, he
ain't corny, dude.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I don't think he's corny either, bro.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I think.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
He's a very He's him, dude, and it's not. It's
not corny is being fake to me? That's him.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
He's not.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yes, okay, it's just totally him. I meant the dude
sat down with him, you know. Eight man, I'm sitting
there and I'm looking and I'm talking to him and
we're you know, we're there for a few hours, and
I'm like, like, this is really him, Like this is
really the guy he is. It's the dude you see
you know on on on on on TV. You know,

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you know that's him. That's authentically him.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I mean, some people may call it corny, but it's
only corny if you're doing it and then it ain't you.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
But that's that's that's him. Man. It was. It was, Yeah,
it was. I ain't gonna lie, man.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
It kind of surprised me to see and I'm like,
I'm about to see, you know, the real him, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
No, I had never met him. I'm like, all right,
I'm about to.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
See him behind closed doors with you know, what ain't
really in front of the cameras. I'm sitting there and
I'm like, Yo, that's really him, man, genuine bro, It's genuine, genius,
super super chill dude.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
And that's like you said to you said, Corny is
somebody pretending to be something they not?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
That's not Russ No Rush, Yeah, that's authentical for him,
man for sure.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Hell yeah, hold on, man? So who else we got going?
The Cowboys?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
The Cowboys we got uh, we got my guy right here, Lane.
That boy got four year, ninety two million extension, including
fifty million guaranteed you will average twenty three million, makes
him the sixth highest paid corner in the league.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
How you think? Never mind, I ain't gonna get messed.
I go ask you how you think, Michael Philip about that?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
No? Man, No, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (58:49):
What do you think of What do you think of
the deal? Though?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Man, I think that's a great deal. He went and
got twenty three year, six highest paid cornerback. I think
from that year when he went a Pro Pro Bowl,
he had like nine picks, a couple of picks six
in a row.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
I think he had like five that season or something.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
It was five that season, bro, so yeah, he stepped
on it. And then last year he think he got injured,
so he missed ten games. But he, like you said,
back pay, he wasn't a high pick and now he's
able to get that bag and now him opposite of
a Diggs. I think they should be able to kind
of lock down that secondary a little bit more man

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to just get be consistent, get some picks, man, keep
the big up in front of him.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
I'm gonna go ahead and explain to the people back pay.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
So when we say back pay, back pay means I
played my first say three or four years, four years, okay,
and I'm on a rookie deal, that rookie deal if
I'm good, or that rookie deal if you play above.
It means that those years that you played, you played

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at the level of say, top five guy in the league.
Those top five guys in the league make a certain
amount of money. That's certain that that certain amount of
money over those three years average out to something.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
So when it comes time for the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
They won't backpay whatch you should get your back pay
because you played for two million dollars a year or
three million dollars a year or when you played at
the level for a guy that should be making twenty
million dollars a year. So as soon as I get
to that deal, I'm gonna need forty sixty million dollars
of back pay, which should be guaranteed, plus what you

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see my future being another.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Twenty or so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
And that's where we at with a nice little four year,
ninety two million dollar contract extension.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
That's what we talked about when we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Say back pay, so I could break down a contract
for you for the backpay debo, and that is the
Michael Parsons contract, And that's exactly why we get to
this back pay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Michael Parsons signed four years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Seventeen million dollars is fully guaranteed in his rookie contract.
That good Man was making four point four million dollars
a year while he was sacking the quarterback ten to
fifteen times a year, twelve plus each season, twelve plus
each season. By the same time, we got TJ. White
Miles Garrett making twenty five million dollars a year, and
then they read up this is their second contract that

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they hit the A four where so Miles hit him again,
hit him for five years, one twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Then hit him again for a four years one sixty. MICHAEH.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Parsons is coming off of making four point four million
dollars in his first rookie deal in four hundred dollars
a year, so ten point four rookie deal, got a
nice little signing on nine nine million, then one point
four the next year after taxes, my man touched seven
hundred thousand dollars year three two point two, after tax
man touched one point three million dollars. Year full two

(01:01:48):
point nine, he's touching one point six one point seven million.
So he's sitting here looking around at miles making twenty five.
Then he reads up for forty. He needs his pay.
This first contract is your back pay, and it's your
biggest contract, the one where no matter what happens, I'm
going to be able to provide, be good. This is
when you start making generational that first contract that's seventeen million.

(01:02:11):
I understand everybody's like, oh, the generational web, but you
understand when you're looking at another man making the same
playing the same position, doing the same thing as you,
that's making twenty five million dollars a year to forty
million dollars a year, and you making four it just
baffles you. So you have to get to your bag
initially first for back pay and front pay, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I think what a lot of people don't understand is
the the lack of financial education that we as players
didn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
I was one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
You know, my first my first year, I saved up
a lot because I was practice squad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
You know that that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
But when I got my first deal that was you know,
like five million, like three or four years five million.
At the end of that deal, dude, I had about
three hundred thousand in the bank.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
I had a house and a car.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I was spending it as fast as I was getting
it because I wasn't even counting it. Yeah, and I
didn't you know, I didn't have that that understanding that like, yo,
this could be over with and it could all end
out of nowhere. You're like, oh, my next check is
gonna be this, I'm gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
You're not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You're not looking, you know, further into the future. That's why,
when you know I got my big deal, all I
did was, you know, I get money, I invested. I
get money I invested. You know, they say you getn't
spend it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Now I was. I was investing it because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I had then got old enough to understand and see that,
you know what, I got to be able to save
And the biggest thing for me to happen for me, dude,
to be honest with you, when I got my second
deal is I had my son James, and I was like,
oh shit, I got to take care of somebody else.
I got to make sure that you know, he's taking

(01:04:01):
care of that, he has something when the time comes
that I'm no longer here. And you know, then I
backed that up with Henry and I'm like, WHOA, Like,
I can't you know, God forbid I leave this world earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I at least got to leave them something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I mean, no matter when you leave, they go be hurt,
but you know it's it's gonna help a little more
if they have something to lean.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
On, you know, A thousand percent. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
So that was what, really, you know, got me to
where I was like, yo, I can't I can't keep
doing what you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
What I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
No for sure, because bro, at the end of the day,
they didn't teach that in school, in high school. They
didn't teach you about money in middle school, high school,
when you went to college, so you go from making
really nothing to now you really getting checks and at
the end of the day, the taxes, all of that
stuff is a real thing. People see your five million,
You didn't touch five million dollars and it was in

(01:04:55):
five years, so you busting that down. You touched two
and a half. And then you have to live your
damn self and people think you got fat.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
And you're helping, you know, you help, you're helping, you
helping this, you're doing all that because you know you're
not really you're not count you're not counting it. I'm
trying to get people to understand that guys aren't counting this.
They're not, especially when you first get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
You know, when you first get in there, you're going
to play. You think you're gonna play forever. You're never
gonna be in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Three thousand dollars for my signing bonus.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
And you couldn't tell me ship.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
You thought that was three hundred million.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Bron You didn't tell me nothing, man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
So yeah, it's just just that that's the part too
with us being able to stay in the league. So
that first contract and then some people they get cut
So that's the part where that how did they go broke?
I could show you easily, like it's not that difficult,
and then you think that you know they could last forever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
You can't manage your little two hundred three hundred fo
hundred dollars. You're not gonna be able to manage a
lot more money three period. You're gonna be able to move,
You're gonna start doing things that you think that it
is cool and sweet and all that. So just being
able to get financially literally and then being able to
do that if you did spend that at the beginning.
Now they know to teach to all and they requirement.

(01:06:22):
And the part is too you can't knock kids also
because if you never had it you want to, you
can't tell them they can't do nothing. You're gonna be
able to have a budge. You're gonna be able to
spend something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I know you threw away plenty of money on cars
and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
You know it, and some jewelry and things.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
But at the same time, it's just you gotta give
you give yourself a budget, have a little bit of fun,
but knowing at the end of the day, we're planning
for it. If if if this contract was the end today,
you know what I'm saying. Not you're dependent on next contracts,
next deals.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You know how many guys when I first got in
the league, it was like, yo, man, I got to
get to this next contract and I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
I gotta get to this next cod in them never
got to it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Weeah, they're planning on spending money that you won't even
have yet. That's the crazy part. You're like, oh yeah,
this whole John right here way, but I get the
next one. That's when I'm gonna start saving.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
It's too late for.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
That, boss man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Look like, uh, look like we don't. We don't ran
over a little bit. So uh what we go do
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