May 11, 2024 • 66 mins
The Black Effect Presents... Deeply Well!
In this conversation, Devi and 19Keys discuss the intersection of spirituality, technology, and AI. They explore the idea that all religions and spiritual practices are ultimately seeking the same truth and that technology, including AI, can be used to enhance and empower individuals and how it can be used to democratize resources and create opportunities for marginalized communities.
19Keys discusses the importance of taking control of our attitudes and perceptions towards AI, rather than relying on media narratives or not using it at all. He emphasizes the need for the Black community to build their own institutions and media companies and to make demands within this new age of technology.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Now, release slowly again deep in heale, hold release, repeating
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internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I
am deeply, deeply well. I I am deeply well. I
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am deeply well. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the
Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place
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to land on your journey.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
A podcast for.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Those that are curious, creative, and ready to expand in
higher consciousness and self care. I'm Debbie Brown. This is
where we heal, this is where we become. Welcome to
the show. As always, I'm excited. I feel like on
this show we get into the fibers of so many
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veins of thought that just give us a chance to
kind of savor it and dive deep for the weeks
to come. And this episode, I'm certain will be no different.
Today we have a very special guest joining us on
this show, nineteen Keys. Nineteen Keys is a thought leader, futurist, technologist,
and entrepreneur. His dynamic approach to empowering individuals stems from
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a unique blend of metaphysics, mindfulness, business acumen, and cutting
edge technology. As a forward thinking leader, nineteen Keys is
dedicated to shaping the future by understanding AI and technological innovations,
while also teaching these concepts to our culture. Having overcome
significant challenges in his early life, nineteen Keys is now
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committed to sharing the lessons he's learned, inspiring others to
trans and send their circumstances and limitations. His work as
a motivational speaker and author is complemented by his innovative
ventures in various fields, including technology and digital media. His
award winning show on the Earnier leisure platform, High Level Conversations,
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exemplifies his role as a futurist, sparking influential dialogues on
technology's impact on culture and society. As a co founder
of Goldwater Corp, The Block World Order, and High Level Media,
nineteen Keys not only demonstrates his entrepreneurial spirit, but also
his proficiency in leveraging technology for business growth and societal advancement.
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His brand, Crown Society, reflects his keen sense of fashion
and design, merging esthetics and technological trends. Central to nineteen
keys philosophy is the belief in the untapped potential within
each individual. He advocates for self awareness intentional living and
harnessing the power of AI and technology to unlock these
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inner gifts. His teachings offer a unique convergence of science, spirituality,
and practical insights, guiding individuals towards self transformation and empowerment.
Renowned for his dynamic speaking style and profound wisdom, nineteen
Keys has emerged as a pivotal figure in personal growth, technology,
and future oriented thought. His insights are sought after by
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media outlets, top businesses, and leading brands for his perspective
on building a technologically advanced, yet human centered world. His
message continues to resonate globally, inspiring and educating on the
transformative power of technology and a I.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Welcome to the shows.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's always something right when you take it in. How
does all that land? How did it feel to hear
all that? Especially thinking of the early life and the
early challenges and all the ways that you've created yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, it's interesting because I was going over this yesterday,
just putting together my whole story, going over what were
like my biggest adversities, challenges, triumphs. You know, what are
my most daring gredist beliefs? And you really are putting
your life in front of you, and you can start
to see how everything blends together to make you who
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you are and for who you're going to be. Because
when I take myself back to early days, right, there's
some footage that I often share when I was young
and I'm speaking on stages as I do today about
social issues about science, right from my parents had we
point to a private black Muslim school and they had
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it separated by gender and things of that nature. And
I think that that early influence of falling in love
with education and developing my skill sets and my talents
and seeing them play out on stage getting that feedback
from others was like the training ground to who I am.
And then having the diversity of being in the streets
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and dealing with all the adversities that I did and
all the average childhood experiences that I have, I think
gives me a unique qualifier to wear these different hats,
you know, I mean, to empathize and have compassion for
different people across the planet.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It really gives such a profound ability. And this is
what I'm hearing on what you're saying to just divinely
translate the message to be exactly what is needed in
the moment, and with the demographic that you're talking to one.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Hundred percent, I think that right now, there's just so
much information out there and we need curated sources because
we actually don't even have the time to find the
right sources. Right people are busy trying to make a living,
trying to survive. So how much time do people How
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much time can people afford to actually research right to
find and the right source for themselves. So it's good
when you have a trusted source, right because they're eliminating
that time that's necessary for you to have to go,
how do I second guess this or third guest this
and find another source in cite this and figure out
if this is correct. So it's good when you have
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these people or entities that you trust in a world
where there's so much fluff, in a world where anybody
can tell you anything, and it sounds good. I was
talking to a friend of mine today, so yeah, we
was talking about having a technology of software as a
service to where you know it basically allows you to
take any information that you see, put it into this
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software to see number one, to check the tone, to
check the site, the sources of it, to understand the
type of journalism is it, Because sometimes a person can
put out a hit piece and people can take that
as facts. Sometimes a person can have something that's opinionated
or theory and people just believe it. And so it's
like the internet has us all in the same class,
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but we all at different grade levels. Yeah, so you
know it's easy for people of low IQ to oh, man,
I believe this because this person said it, and then
everybody else who's smart like man real theyin't need paying
attention today and they keep on going. So that's the
dangerous thing is that we need things to be curated
better for us and not just these community notes in
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fact checkers that the social media platform gives us because
they have a narrative and agenda that they want to
push something that we can use for ourselves to contextualize information.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
M God, everything that you're saying.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, and it's so interesting and I feel like, just
especially in the season of the show, we've been exploring
it quite a bit. But you know, it's like when
everyone can be a broadcaster, there is no.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Integrity.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
There's no integrity, and I think for a lot of
this work, especially when it comes to what we're now
you know, referencing is healing. Spiritual integrity is paramount, and
there's so many people that and I'm not saying and
y'all know listening, I always preface this. We're all having
so many different experiences in the midst of this, and
whatever is your breakthrough is worthy and valuable. But so
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many people have been peer learning, which is based on
one person's specific experience with whatever it is they're sharing,
and it's usually at such a surface.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Level of thought.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And that's okay for awareness, right, to give you the
seed of interest. But it's so important for masters to
take up space, and so many masters, you know, you
kind of want to just go off to the Himalayas
and not be in the midst.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Of humanity because all the things, but.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Mastery learning to me is so important and the path
of integrity, as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, I mean just thinking about that difference between like,
you can become an expert at something, right, becoming very
well informed on it, and you can mean an expert
to someone else because you know more than them, right,
But your level expertise is subjective to other experts and
whether they go to you as a source as well, right,
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And then it goes towards how long have you actually
been in this field? Right, So it's the longevity, and
then it's the experience.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And are you interacting with the fields one hundred percent now.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Not just reading the books about it, but are you
like observing and yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You can be well informed on anything, but actually having
the ability to apply it. That's completely different. Only masters
know how to have a complete mastery over a thing
because you have delved into the level of the initiate,
right and developed yourself through trial and error right to
go into mastery. And just because you've been into something
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for a long time don't mean you a master. Having
a complete control over and understanding of something I think
is what makes ones a master and your ability to
utilize it, not just to know it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
M Yeah, divinely said.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So with your background growing up in the Muslim faith,
but then also having what I'm kind of perceiving as
another level of awakening at some point in your journey,
how do both come together?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And how if you did need.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To forge a path kind of with two experiences happening,
how did that play out for you and how did
that shape you?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think that it's always been one for me. It's
just having a deeper layer of understanding what it is.
It's like. In religion, we use a lot of different words,
and when you go into the root meaning of it
right for yourself, then it becomes an experience. Right. So
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you know, in Christianity people talk about Christ, right and
talk about Christ's consciousness and things of their nature, but
that could mean something different for each person that's in
that room. When you go into you can study a
and it can reinforce you or spiritual understanding of something. Right.
You can study physics and now you have a deeper
layer of interpretation between what you're doing. Or someone can
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call it, you know, synchronicity, right. Somebody can call something
clairvoyance and there can be a scientific way for when
to enhance that. Or one can say, well, this is
my spiritual practice of doing that. Whatever language that you use, right,
whether it's religion, whether you're saying Islam, there is a
way of everything, right, there is a law to everything.
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So for me on my pathway of deepening my own
Christ's consciousness, if you will, right, I think that there's
different methods. But when I started to go back and
I studied one thing over here, then I went back
and I read well I had learned previously they were
really the same thing, right, I just had a deeper
layer of understanding because some people, as we talk about
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that classroom, I can go to a mise and it
can be said one way inside the mosque, but I
may be able to understand it differently if a scientist
tell me. But just just because that's the way my
interests are piqued towards different type of information, right, But
that doesn't mean that they're not saying the same thing.
And we're all customized and different as far as how
we are as human beings. So the way we interpret
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things or who tells us or what source or how
we relate to it, I think it's all reinforcing the
same thing over and over All religions are really saying
the same thing. All spiritual practices are saying the same thing.
There are certain developers of gifts that you can get
you can study on human design and understand the gift,
right or you know, you can study, you know, whatever
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a person does, you know in their particular field of
science or spirituality, and then that's how they developed theirs.
But to me, it's all routes to the same God,
you feel me, So I never look at it as
a separation. I've studied things in Islam and I thought
I was studying the opposite, and then I'll come and
find out it was the same. I just didn't understand
this at first. I didn't understand how this may have
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connected to the shakra system, right, But they were bofically
explaining the same thing. One was explaining as Kundalini, one's
explained as christ consciousness. One was explaining as you know,
doing a salot, right. But to me, it was all
leading to the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I love that, and I love the way that you
expressed all of that. That is that's the path to me,
you know, that is the path. It's there's so many
roads to the truth, and ultimately it just depends on
what period of time you were alive, what continent you
were on.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But there is just so many ways to creator to God.
There's so many ways to unlocking kind of the potency
in oneself and the ability to just get these earthly superpowers.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean, there's a there's a lot of gifts.
It's like you can develop the ability to understand what
your enemy or others are thinking, before they think it right,
you know, and it's some spiritual circles. You know. They
may look at that as like a psychic intuitive thing,
and then you could be talking to somebody from the
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military and they can say that's strategic general thinking, right,
But it's the same exact thing. So when I say,
like there are two different routes, it really also depends
on you know, what you're using it for. Then you
take this school of thought right, But it's all training.
To me, like I've developed multiple gifts in my life,
you know, the ability to see in the future, the
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ability to see in my enemy's mind, to understand those
steps of here, that's the true you know, wisdom of foresight.
My brother Nouriy Muhammad as a book I'll call Mathematical Mind,
and he speaks upon the three sites of hindsight, insight,
and foresight, right, being able to see in the past,
being able to see in the president, and being able
to see in the future. Right. And it's a very
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powerful thing when you can do all of those at
once and understan standing time, you know, not as chronological
of backwards to forward, but understanding that things are happening simultaneously.
And there's a cycle of effects. There's cause and effect.
So I think we all use these different languages and
it makes us feel like we know something, and then
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we pitted against each other because this person uses that
one and they're saying that one. And then my mind
always goes to what is the point that you're making on?
What is the application? One? A parent can say, I
want you to go to school, to be rich, to
get your job, right, start you a family. Is that
the only route? Is that the only route you know?
Because then I can also be an independent creator and
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do that very same thing. Would you be proud of
me if I did got the same results. So we
become egoistic and selfish, and we want people to follow
our route and our path, right, not because we want
them to get the result, but we want to feel
connected to them in some ways. We want to have
control over them. I don't teach in that capacity, lead
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by example. If I inspire you from the way I
live my life, right then that, to me is the
best way to lead. That to me is the best religion.
You know, So I don't try to even we always
thought there's no comportion in this slum, right, there's nothing
to argue about there's nothing to debate about for me,
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you feel me because even when we start debating what
happens is is it doesn't mean that either one of
us are right right because I can take a source
knowledge that is one hundred percent correct, but I might
not have the ability to defend it at that moment.
And just because you have some statistics of facts or
you understand the Socratic method of making me feel like
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a fool at that moment and you feel like you've won,
but that doesn't mean you were actually correct or right.
So for me, I don't debate to people about things
that I'm not a master in because another person may
feel like they're right only because they was able to
fool you and not because they were. And I think
that we have a lot of intellectual masturbation that happens
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in the world to where everybody wants to get their
plan off.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's so good, that's so good, that's so good, that's
so good, that's so good. I think in this moment
in history too, where to an earlier point, we just
have so much information on a planet of nine billion people,
just so much saturation, so many thoughts happening. And I
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think the telltale sign is always, But is the person
speaking to you embodied? Does the person speaking to you
live that or is it all intellectualize information or are
they in moment by moment creating, through choice and through
the way that they tend to their bodies, send to
their spirits and to their souls. What does your daily
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practice look like? That kind of feeds who you are
in the work you're sent here to do.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I think it's my daily studies that are the most
I know for Every single day there's something that I'm
working to enrench my mind to spirit, you know, whether
I'm taking some time out of stillness for myself to
just think, which I think is probably my most important practice,
is finding that that moment of stillness, because I look
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at stillness as darkness. Right, You're in that womb of self, right,
and you can hear your original thoughts, you can hear
your God's self. And to me, being able to do that,
I think centers me closer and closer to the God
within daily, especially in a world where everything is trying
to influence you and you don't know what your original
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thoughts are, right, So finding that darkness every day, finding
that stillness every day to be within myself versus to
be a reaction of the world. I think is the
most important because it constantly, you know, refocuses me on
what is important, like what am I doing this for? Right?
You get to that point you can have a level
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of success or money or this, then you gotta you
come back and you in front of yourself in the mirror,
like what am I doing this all for? Right? Then
you start asking what are we doing this all for?
You go on social media and everybody's opinions and attacking
each other and all of this, and it's like, what
do we even want? So I feel like it's that
repositioning daily, reminding myself what the hell do I want
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out this world? What do I want? Even from a
legacy standpoint, you know that meditative time, that workout time,
you know, I think you know we got our mental,
our spiritual, our physical, or our financial. Right, If you can
do something to kind of see those every single day,
I think you'll be balanced because all of those once
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they're not fed, right, they create an imbalance within your system, right,
and that's when you become sick. So I'm going to
work out, right, I'm going to read and learn something.
I'm going to have that stillness time right. I want
to focus on my aspirations and my ambitions, and each
one of those things are feeding a different sector right
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within my life that allows me to look at that
pie chart and see wholeness.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Deeply well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And the stylum meditation that I've been doing for close
to fifteen years. The style that I teach, it's called
Primordial Sound, and it's rooted very similar to TM, but
it's rooted in having a mantra in Sanskrit that you
repeat internally to yourself, and the vibration more so than
the meaning of the word, kind of shakes loose and
amplifies and does all the things inside. But the piece
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that you're speaking to with, like the daily science, but
especially the self inquiry, that style of meditation is rooted
on four particular questions that you ask yourself every day,
which is who am I don't answer it? What am
I grateful for?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What do I desire? What do I really want? And
how can I serve?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I think that piece about how can I serve
is what closes the loop. It's what kind of brings
the wholeness the completion of any inquiry, any cycle of
mastery it's and what are you giving?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And how are you serving?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And how are we advancing ultimately humanity because we're here
for our human experience.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'm so interested to talk to you about AI.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So I'm somebody that is trying to reconnect deeply and
slowly to like natural life.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So taking TVs.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Out of my house. I have like a landline phone
and that's how I make phone calls. And I have
clocks everyone. Okay, truly, no, can I tell you though,
it's the best feeling because for those of us that
were born in a certain period of time. I'm born
in the late eighties, It's like hearing a phone ring
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in the house and not knowing. I miss that kind
of surprise, Like I miss that kind of feeling of
not being in control or like you know, yeah, but
you know it's not like the same because you're just
grabbing the phone. Well, also, like five people have the
phone number. But and I have clocks everywhere, and you know,
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a big thing for me is just I have to
escape technology a lot. But I know that's not necessarily
conducive to the society that we are.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Growing in and that's expanding.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So I'm just I'm so curious with your vision, and
I've been checking out like a lot of your content
on social especially around AI. I find it so interesting
everything that can be done in all the ways that
it can be useful. But I'm curious if at some point,
like how.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Do you see AI really fluidly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Interacting with the human experience and does it take away
the human experience?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think yes to all of those things. What I
care about is the the vision and the end result
and which we want to manifest. And technology itself is
not about whether it's some physical machine, right. Technology is
about art, skills and craft and how you use a thing.
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So your mind is its own technology, and most people
don't know how to use the technology of their own mind.
And most people walk around as artificially intelligent already, because
if you look at it artificial intelligence, it's programmed and
it's pre programmed to have these interfaces that react and
respond certain ways. It doesn't have its own programming that
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it programmed within itself. It's not organic intelligence. So most
people that I know are artificially intelligent. They just respond,
They just react, right. They are programmed large language models,
and they have certain niche things that they know and
beyond that, they don't know how to think. Right. So
most people are already artificially intelligent. And when you look
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at and you're dealing with AI, it almost is like
putting the merit to your mind, right, understanding your own
interfaces and how you interact. So I don't look at
it to particularly solve any problems for me, you know,
I look at it to enhance what I'm already doing
and whatever capacity. Right, So the question becomes for everybody
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that wants to use this technology in this machine, right.
It's the same way while you use a phone, right,
you can communicate with people at vast distances instantly, right,
or you have to go send a messenger, or you
have to go walk and communicate that message yourself to
somebody in person. What is it di to just enhance
your communication interface? Right? Same thing when we get social
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media created a network, you have to at first physically
go all around the world and connect with people in
the network. Now you have a social network right to
where you can connect with people all across the planet
Earth that are in various different global positions. And why
do you need that? Because you need that for business, right,
you need that just for your on life resources because
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at first and still to this day, like you have
a child that grows up without any networks, right, or
any wealthy network, it's going to be harder for them
later on in life. They don't have those connections. And
that was the point of going to college, That was
the point of going right to these different You place
your child in this school, right, they grow up with
this kid, the letter becomes a judge, or letter becomes
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a CEO somewhere, Right, those are connections. So when you
look at who technology can't benefit the most, it's people
who normally didn't have that access, right, It's people who normally,
you know, those things were kept away from them. So
now they can utilize technology to give themselves those resources.
The plot of the poor man is a lack of resources. Right.
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So when I look at big corporations, I look at
big institutions. What is that gap between that allows them
to maintain power as the manageria or the ruling class.
It's their resources, it's their access, it's their brain trust,
intelligence and see that they have in the world. Right,
they have the budget so they can hire the smartest people,
and that creates a barrier for competition. So if I'm
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giving a smart machine, and now I can't hire this
person that can do copyright. I can't hire this person
that knows about science. I can't hire this somebody else
to go do researching and editing and all these things
for me because it's too expensive and you don't have
the budget. But I can use AI to substitute that.
So now I have the same almost the same amount
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of resources as a multi million dollar company. Right, the
question is is not about what AI is, what you're
going to use it for? Right, same thing with any
piece of technology. You have a mind, but most people
don't use it. Right, So I always approach things from
you know, a level of curiosity, Right what? And I
ask myself today, like when do we even demand anymore?
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You go back to the early sixties, we had demands, Right,
we want it to be in certain spaces, right, we
want a certain equality, we want in certain rights that
will us our collective demands as a public. We had
that easy outcry to understand what we wanted, and when
we had that outcry, we had the lack of resources
to give it to ourselves, even though we could have
looked at each other collectively and decided to just be
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each other resources. But we decided to look outside of
ourselves and say, hey, this is a thing holding us back.
We go up to you know, two thousands, right, what
was our demands then? I can't even tell you. I
don't know. In the early nineties we had millionaire marches
and we were talking about you know, liberation and atonement
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and things of that nature, and trying to heal the
hood from the things that happened. He had the crack
air in the eighties, the two thousands, we were just
trying to figure out how to utilize this technology. We
stopped having demands. We started being a product of the system. Right. So,
now that human beings have all of this power, and
by power I mean access, resources, democratization of these things
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that were normally kept out of the hands of the masses,
they don't have a demand for it. Right. So if
you are a dangerous individual, right, you know, they have
hackers that are savant, said, and they're so good they
can hack almost any system. They get caught, they keep
you away from a computer. Right, sometimes you get banned
for life because they know if you get access to
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this machine, you can do anything you want. If you
give a mass population of people access to advanced machinery, right,
and that means that you know that they are so
demoralized at this point that they're not going to do
anything with it, and you're not afraid of them. So
it's funny because these ars are not even becoming smarter,
they're becoming weaker the more people are using them. And
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people don't even understand that what you're watching is the
advancement of these corporations with even more you know, advanced technology,
not people having access to it. So we know for
a fact that they're not going to give up access
to the technology because they know that they're going to
use it for more control and more power, right, and
greater capitalization and efficiency or resources. So the question becomes
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is why don't we have any demands for how we
want to use it? Because we lack vision. So it's
easy for me to see how we can use technology.
Let's look at all our problems, right, our lack of
representation in media. Right, we can't compete on media scale
because it's all controlled by ad dollars. Advertisement got the
culture on the lockhole, right, But now we can use
(30:26):
technology to create platforms to where we can connect the
core fan basis and create subscriptions, so now we can
monetize that and then grow as skilled media from an
independent operation. Without the technology, that's not possible. So I'm
not going to complain about the fact that, yes, there's
always going to be negative use cases of everything, but
that's because the enemy uses it that way. How the
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way you go use it? Right? If there's applications to
where I can utilize and create AI sounds and music,
why wouldn't I utilize that to create Hirsch music that
I want to tune to my frequency rights custom has
a customer minded personal assessment that may be connected to
a ring or hardware or something that's keeping me aligned
in a tune throughout the day so I can de stress. Right,
(31:10):
because mental health issues are very high right for me,
it's easy to just think of like various use cases
because we got so many problems in the world. The
question is not why we use it? Why wouldn't we
use it? Right? That to me is the question. But
here's the thing that this is why everybody is so
negative about things is because in their mind, right is
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someone else's narrative. Where do you get your narratives about AI?
Your attitudes towards AI. The law of attitude, right, when
you go into that, your attitude creates your positioning, your
disposition towards things. But your position and disposition towards things
were informed right by something or someone, and that informing
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was done by the media. AI is the first technology
that has fifty years of media programming before it was
released to the public. So everything that we know about it,
every attitude that we have, is not based on our
experience of using it. It's based on the attitude that
was informed to us by media, by publications by scientists. Right. Oh,
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it's going to turn into terminator, Right, it's going to
be eye robot, It's going to be These are imaginations
of white men who conjure up crazy ideas about them
having this ultimate army get in future because they don't
really believe in organic intelligence they want. They don't believe
in God, so they don't think about using these machines
for godly reasons at all. So I can understand if
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we allow them to inform our attitude, of course we're
going to have a negative position towards it. But if
I'm informing my own attitude towards something, I'm just thinking
how can I use it to enhance my position in
the world, enhance my power control and rulership.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
God, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's really, really, really fascinating. And however we feel about it,
it's here and it will continue to be and to grow.
When I think of I guess my thoughts on AI
are probably mostly led by Black Mirror and watching all
the sass of it and then like being terrified after
(33:21):
each episode Calls. You brought up a point that it's
so interesting to hear all of the ways that you
broke that down.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Some of what you were saying. I really think about
a lot. It's so powerful the way you phrased it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You were talking about at every kind of juncture we
had an ask, right and following that trail, coming into
the early aughts, that really is significantly where the ass
kind of stopped. And perhaps some of that is because
black culture became the leader of pop culture, and maybe
there was this thought that that leveled things out, or
(33:59):
because we were influencing all of the markets in all
of the ways that that somehow meant there was equity
and equality. But from your view, what should the ask be?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Now? What is the ask for our communities?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What is the ask culturally for our spirits, for our minds,
for existing in a not just still systemically oppressed environment
in a multitude of ways, but in many states a
progressively more oppressive systemic system is being built. When I
think of Florida, when I think of Texas. So what
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do we need to ask for right now?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think that it's less of an ask and it's
more of a demand that we should have for ourselves.
You know, we are in a political season. Everybody is
going to try to vote for the lesser evil, whatever
that means to them, And the question is what are
you going to get from their vote? What do you
(34:59):
expect from right? Do you expect the better quality of life?
Do you expect more opportunities, more jobs? Or do you
respect that voting for one person is going to lessen
the tyrant tyrancy of the other. Like, what do we
even want from it anymore? We're not actually going for
anything at this point, We're just saying the lesser evil.
We're still going to get evil. We don't really know
what's going to be the lesson, but we think this
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is the lesson, right, And it's like, what would happen
if the same people that utilize their platform to push
campaigns for either side every year. Where they got all
of this influence, power, money and resources and they decide,
I want to pick one of these two old white
men to go vote for. What if they did that
to where you know, they propagated young black males and
(35:42):
females right that are already doing something and they campaign
for them. Right, Why don't we see that whatsoever? We
have all of this rage when it comes to somebody
else being our savior, right, but we have none of
that same fever when it comes to us saving ourselves.
So from me, I get frustrated because I see it.
It's all fake and everybody's controlled by money, right, And
(36:07):
the only thing that we can demand of ourselves at
this point is a collective cooperation that we have our
own agendas because we have all the money, resources and
technology that we need at this point. The thing is
we have to build our institutions, right that solve our
own problems. And the more that we build on this side,
the less we need on that side. So let's start
with media, right, I have a high level conversations. Right,
(36:29):
you mentioned that in the bio right, we probably ours
is definitely top ten in the world educational platforms and
the culture. We're number one just as far as numbers,
subject matter, things of that nature. But me been doing
this for almost ten years now. I haven't had one
single person from the black community or white community, brown
whisoever offer a single hand of assistance in building and
(36:51):
scaling this thing out. So I have no demands of them.
I have demands of us. So what does that do?
And I'm not the only person I know that. That's
how all your people that's growing up in these generations,
and they look at it like, hey, you got your wealth,
you have your money, you got your power, you have
your individual success. But it means nothing right because your
individual success, you take that and you put yourself in
(37:13):
this class, then you separate yourself from everybody else. So
now we're celebrating your success while it's doing nothing for us,
and you're pointing most of your dollars into another community.
Your lawyer, your teams, right, the brands that you spend
your money on. We brack all day long about how
celebrities or rappers or entertainers have invested in these companies.
(37:34):
These are all white companies. I don't see them investing
into black companies and we know we get no funding,
so we don't get funding build our own vehicles. Right,
Robert Smith can give one hundred plus million dollars whatever
to an HBCU, But also we need to build our
own media companies, right, So where's that money being fundeled
into that. It's easy to do the donation route, right,
(37:55):
but what about the investment route to where we're taking
risks on each other to build something that we've never had.
So with all of this money, resources, and power and
influence that we have at scale, there is no collectiveness whatsoever.
We look at Hip Hop, all of this power, resource, influence,
now they're going at each other. Who cares at the
end of the day. So for me, the only demand
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we can have is on ourselves. What are we going
to build with our money, influence, power and resource. If
we're not communicating, creating our own memberships to where we're
interconnected at least the leaders, the people with the influence,
the who's who's, then none of the other things matter.
We have to put the sting back in the culture.
We have to have science, technology, engineering. The art is
(38:39):
there already. We got the arts, we have the media,
we have the entertainment. But who's what about the mathematicians? Right,
that's nobody else's responsibility but ours. So we can go
complain about all of these things that we see on
social media while utilizing our very platform to not solve
those problems. And we're not saying you have to be
the person, but why not go look at the people
(39:01):
who's already doing it and help them scale because no
other community will leave their heroes out to dry.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Wow, no other communities will leave their heroes out to drive.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Our heroes ain't them. If I'm gonna just say it
like this, once you when you're safe, that means that
they don't believe you're going to create any disruption towards
the status quo and what's going on. So they can
throw you the brand deals, they can throw you the
ad deals. They will can't allow you in spaces. They
will let you become very rich because they know you're
(39:40):
not going to use the resources that they gave you
against them. So and maybe that's not your job. Your
job maybe is to take some of those resources network right, information,
know how and give that to those that they wouldn't
let up. Because your position can never be coveted and
can never be safe, right unless you have reinf enforcement
(40:00):
and power. Right. So it's like in Black America, there's
two sides of Black America. Right, it's the one that
is accepted and it's the one that's not. We have
all of these trigger words and all of this fake
stuff we talk about die, but we have lack of
diversity within our own community and representation. Wow, so you
can expect somebody outside of our culture to do what
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we want to do inside our culture. So for me,
the demand has to be upon ourselves to where we
have to stop being a house that's divided, to where
it's like, Okay, when are you guys going to integrate
with each other? Right? When are you guys going to
diversify the representation that you have right within your own culture?
When are you going to invest in your own systems?
You keep complaining about us not doing it, but you
(40:44):
don't even do it, And I'm talking about doing it aggressively,
right and purposely. They talking about meet with these people.
They all scared to do anything that matters, and they
only support people that they can control. So I understand
the gambit in the game. Right, That's why we respect
actually independently utilize our creative mind, right, and we utilize
(41:04):
the resources and the machinery and the technology every day
to do for self. I don't care whether it's AR
or social media or the phone or whatever it may be.
It ain't about the technology itself. It's about what we
can use as a resource to build our own world.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Sweet Jesus.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh Man, Wow wow wow.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Just creating a little integration space. That was a lot,
and that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Was so exploratory, so profound the amount of work we
have to be really willing and take honor and doing
within our own communities, right, and also making space for
the understanding that you're doing a deep prophetic work that
(42:02):
you may not reap all the benefits of in this
lifetime and it's still honorable and it's still a worthy
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But look what that says use of self, Because it's
this thing where, you know, the law of reciprocation, you
can't expect any bounty from the land that you don't
put in, Right, if you don't plant the seeds and
you don't till the ground, and you don't do that work,
then you can't expect nothing back from it, right. But
(42:31):
it's this idea that when you do good in the world.
Do not expect your rewards while you're living. But when
you do nothing for the world, you can respect all
the return instantly. Right. And I think it is this
thing to where what it does is it absolves us
a responsibility in assisting thos that's doing good work. Right,
(42:51):
you should be doing this selfishly, I am, But that
doesn't mean I shouldn't also get more resources to scale it. Right.
It's more so said something about everybody arounds. It's not
the person, right, Who are we to have the resources
to influence the platform and see someone doing a tremendous
good and not a system, right, and then when that
(43:12):
person wants some reward while they're living, like, oh, I
thought you was doing this selfishly. I did it till
I found out that everybody else was selfish, you know
what I mean? So I think, like I just went
to Oakland. I flew out there. My brother missed the
fab Yes stud Therapy and it's a beautiful event, and
I want to see that scale where you know, it's
a free event for the community mostly men that show up,
(43:36):
and you just have these powerhow circuits of men that
talk about whatever's on their mind and talk about tools
to help them with their own mental health issues and
or problems that they deal with. So I went up
there to a keynote and speak there, and it was
such a beautiful event. And something like that is easy.
We talk about mental awareness all day long. We need
to have events like that skilled all throughout America, and
(44:00):
that should be such an easy funded thing. But we've
never seen ever a collective resolve for a problem like that.
Black men specifically, I want to speak on because and
the reason I like speaking on black men because I
feel like we don't have we don't have any representation
(44:20):
from institutional corporate interest whatsoever. Because who the hell wants
to empower black men right is to they look at
it as there's to know one's advantage if black men
are in power. And what I mean by that is
we have the highest cancer rates, diabetes rates, heart issue rates,
high blood pressure, right, violence, second is suicide, right, prison populations,
(44:46):
you name it. I could keep going depression right in America.
We number one in all those. Yet I've never seen
a march for it. I've never seen a corporate campaign
for it. We're not the face of not one of them, ever,
so we are always expected to help everyone, and they
fight while we still have the hardest fight right which
(45:07):
is dealing with these issues ourselves.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
So if black men themselves, we have billionaires and more
deck of millionaires and people have influenced power and knowledge,
don't put resources to this problem, how can we expect
anyone else?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
The rest of the world is never going to prioritize us.
We know this for a fact. Unless this becomes something
that they can monetize and it benefits they bottom line,
they're always going to put that profit over people. So
if we're going back to that demand, if we don't
have that demand for ourselves, we can't demand that of
anyone else. And that's why, you know, I was supposed
(45:45):
to show up with my brothers at new ERAa Detroit
and I didn't get to make it, and I had
to double back and go to Oakland and New Area
Detroit is another my brother Zeke. They go around the
country and they're like similar to what the Black Panthers
would be. They're really in the neighborhoods. They're really creating
safety right for the neighborhood, and they show up when
they need to. Man that should be funded with tens
(46:05):
of millions of dollars, not even just from anywhere outside
by us. Right, we got financial literacy programs, earn your leisure,
myself and other different people that's doing it. Everybody watches it,
but who's actually supporting it. Nobody has roting some huge
check towards it. So when I say the heroes are
left out to drive, I mean that, right. When you
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do things that is saving our people, When you do
things that is directly addressing the problems, right, that will
have a beneficial trickle effect because if you can get
the minds of these men together, then the families get better, right,
and now we get to decrease the problems. Now we're
trying to decrease the recidivism rate. Now we're trying to
create opportunities and jobs and skill building. Because financial literacy
(46:48):
is only such a small aspect of the problem. There's
no jobs, there's no opportunities. Everybody's not going to be
a creator on social media, right. Everybody doesn't want to
build a personal brand. Everybody when you take a personal
assessment of people, they don't have the characteristics and or
traits to do such a thing. So we don't get
any funding. So now we should have this high revolutionary
(47:10):
push towards that revolt is not booming anymore. But that
media space is empty. What platform that we can go
to that is essential that we can say, Man, this
is where I can go and get some meaningful, educational,
valuable content that is directly owned by black media. There
is none besides what we're doing right at a larger scale.
(47:31):
I mean, so once we acknowledge all of these problems exist, right,
and we ain't even got into spiritual conversations, right, But
once we acknowledge all these problems exist, and we're not
actively not saying, hey, you need to have your own thing,
you need to have No, we have to have collective
things because that's the problem. They see you shine in
the one area saying oh he talk of financial literacy, Well,
(47:53):
let me get my team to start me a program
over here. You could have took your resources and helped
them build theirs. We don't need a thousand small things.
We need huge institutions to curate change. That's real power
over time.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Deeply, well, I'm curious you have shared, especially some of
the depth of the practice that is necessary supportive structures
to support purpose and to support mission work on Earth
is something I really believe in, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Think self care. You know, it's been gentrified and it's
been kind of taken.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Into being on trend in mainstream, this idea of self care.
But I look at it as what is actually necessary
for the physical human body, for our physiology, for our
brain health, for our spiritual health. We are having a
human experience in three specific ways individually at all times,
which is our mental experience of being human, our emotional
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experience of being human and spiritual, and then our physical
experience of being here and being human. So what do
you do for pleasure and delight in your life?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Pleasure and delight? It sounds like a snack company. I live,
you know, I do art, my design, I do music.
On my spare time, I travel, I work out, you know,
(49:29):
I spend time with friends, socialize. I think that, you know.
I like to eat. I'm a tourist, so you know,
you gotta go through the stomach to get.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
To the heart your tour son.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I gotta check the charts.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
My peoples know, Yeah, what's the moon and the rising?
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I know Burgos in there. I think Leo and Burgos
in there. Okay, I gotta I got a whole foul
on myself. I gotta go back and read it.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean that's what I do. I
think that those are the things that bring me joy.
You know, traveling, eating, creating, you know, socializing, you know,
unobliged Muhammad he said, having is money, good homes, friendships,
of all walks of life. You know, I think about
those particular areas, but I enjoy what I do. I
enjoy when i'm when I'm like even when it comes
(50:23):
to like studying or researching something new, and it excites
me to learn something and then I get excited to
teach it. You feel me that, to me is not
work that I do for profit. That's work that I
do for passion. You feel me, just because, however, my
brain is wired to enjoy those things. That's what I
love to do. Lately, I've been enjoying making music. I've
(50:44):
been putting together a new book. I've been enjoying the
process of putting that together. You know, the only things
that feel like work is when I have to like
sell stuff, or you know, sometimes when we're traveling for work,
and you know, these different pockets of putting together business
processes and systems and meetings and all of that stuff.
But you know, I don't live a life when I'm
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forced to do anything, So I think all of it
is enjoyment and delight.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I love those answers, and I think that that is
a part that especially for black men, but absolutely men
in general. It's not necessarily this piece that a lot
of thought is spent on, and there's not as much
value seen in that. But pleasure is what God wants
us to know in this reality as well, you know,
and I think that there.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Is no fuel quite like joy if we're.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Going to feel everything else, right, that's the human experience,
the challenge, the profound challenge. So often we bypass joy
because it's like, well, it's not going to last, it's
not going to stay here. I don't want to let
myself feel that or get into that. But it's those moments,
it's those you know, the way that it can fill
your body that fuels everything else, even if it's just
(51:56):
for a moment and just for a second. I really
resonate with a lot of what you were saying, Like
my idea of a good time is studying one hundred
or going on a silent retreat like I'm like, oh,
I'm drooling, like swoon.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Get me quiet and alone.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
And get me with something fascinating that I could research
for hours on end.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
So don't get me wrong. I could turn up and
be outside too sometimes.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Okay, yeah, you at that function.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, I can vibe for surely. You know what I'm saying.
It's just I like to vibe responsibly. So I want
to feel like I'm celebrating some when I'm outside.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
So what do you do outside?
Speaker 3 (52:34):
What's your vibes might depend on you know, you can
invite me to a socially vent or some I don't
have a detailed I like that, but you'd be surprised
what I.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Might call up to dancing, like you know you're going from.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
We might gig a little different, you know, I'm talking
about who might who might do a little something. I'd
be on my own vibe though, you know. So it
really depends on my energy when I go out, because
sometimes I could be introverted. Sometimes I could be extra
So sometimes I want to observe. Sometime I want to
be in the mix, feel me. Yeah, So I always
like to be invited. You know, you invite me even
(53:09):
if I don't show up. You gotta invite me. I
like to having those options.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Might not make it, but keep everybody's coming because you're
going to invite me on that day where I got
the energy, Like, yes, I'm outside, you feel me. I
don't believe in like the boxing where you got to
be some spiritual yogi floating in the room. You know
what I'm saying, acting like you just cut off from
the world. No, I could be outside and be spiritual too.
(53:38):
Oh yeah, Like I totally, you know, one hundred percent
believe in it being in motion. You feel me. It
just has to make sense.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, I think that's what the I mean, what the
deepest truth of kind of the spiritual journey actually is.
You know, it's like having fun with the human and
you know, for what.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Brings me the most pleasure is taking ideas and seeing
them come to real life and reality. And I think
that's the highest level that when it comes to men specifically,
it's like when you aren't able to take a thought
out your mind and bring it into reality and you
don't have that orgasmic pleasure of manifesting something right, that's
(54:23):
when you distract yourself to supplement that and find full
pleasure somewhere else, whether it be drugs, whether it be
you know, sex, whether it be you know, socialization, right,
entertaining yourself, numbing yourself, whatever it is, you're trying to
get that pleasure you're not getting from having a well
working mind, right, because our bodies want that, you know,
(54:46):
I mean endorphin. We want that joy, We want that release.
Or it's like we got to get it somewhere.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Eight.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Bro, you've got this idea and you can't do shit.
You better at least satisfy me some kind of way.
But when it's physical, physical things are always fleeting. When
it's mental, you can accomplish something and that thought can
bring you joy million times, right. But sex only go
bring you joy in that moment, you know what I mean,
and then you have to have sex again in order
to satisfy the flesh again. But things of the mind
(55:14):
and the spirit, they can leave you satisfied for a
very long time. Right. So that's why accomplishment to me
is the highest secret pleasure, being able to take a
thought out your mind and bringing in reality. And that
to me goes down to the details of you know,
I got to book them right on now about like
the laws, different laws of the universe I utilize and
(55:34):
live by. And you know, I was always taught the
first law of the universe's motion, second loss order, right,
So when people think about the law of attraction, they
never really have a deep seed and in a former
leg way, and so always think about you know, motion
is putting yourself into action, going to work. But having
(55:55):
order is you know, gaining traction. Right, So you go
from action attraction and then from there it can go
to when you gain so much traction and you're gaining
order upon your steps, you produce value and then that
thing that you're chasing starts to come to you. Right.
But what happens is on that road there becomes responsibility,
(56:17):
There becomes accountability, right, it becomes real. And then some
people instead of moving forward and gaining more attraction to
attraction and go to distraction. Right, So now I need
to distract myself. So now you go to subtraction and
taking away from attraction that you gained. So I think
about the motion that we have, because everybody want to
have motion, but it's more important to have order. Right.
(56:39):
So once you order things in a particular way, you
can constantly produce value, and you magnetize the things that
you want to come to you versus you constantly chasing them.
And when you learn to operate in that manner, then
you start to have success on a daily basis, right,
not just sometimes, but all the time. And so we
have to be careful because the world is trying to
(57:01):
attract us, and then that attraction can become our distraction.
Netflix doesn't want you to be successful and want you
to sit on the county watch TV all day. Right.
The poor people don't want you to have successful relationships.
They want you to beat off to whatever they push it. Right.
They don't want you to be focused in gaining traction
in life because your success in life represents their failure.
(57:23):
You physically eating right and things of that nature. You're
not going to the fast food restaurants, You're not buying
the unnecessary snacks with fats and things of that nature
in it. Now, you're going to be sitting there getting
yourself right because your focused about getting your mind, body
and spirit aligned with your goal and your vision. So
a focused society, right, is dangerous to these institutions, dangerous
(57:47):
too big farm, right, it's dangerous to these media companies,
it's dangerous to these advertisement companies, so they're directly incentivized
to keep you distracted. So we don't even believe in
Like when we talk about joy and pleasure, we don't
talk about it from a sense of accomplishment. We always
talk about it from a sense of distraction. So for me,
(58:08):
that's why I think about like, nah, my pure Like
if you've seen me doing something successful, that has to
be my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's so good.
And to a piece that you were speaking of in
terms of like I think, especially when it comes to
sexual energy, which our culture and our society is just
so led by, but in such an empty and hollow way.
So often it's like any energy can be transmuted for
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your good and for your highest goods. So any energy
that's present can be utilized and harnessed for creation's sake.
And it's really like what are you creating? What are
you using that charge for? You know, even if you
feel a charge with another person or a charge towards
something or an experience, like the energy is real, So
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you're feeling the energy and energetic potential of the movement
inside of you, And how can you come into a
harnessing of that for something that's advancing.
Speaker 3 (59:10):
I think like that energy. It's like, think about it.
How much do we only use the word lust when
it comes to like physical sexual attraction? Right? We don't
use it when it comes to manifestation. We don't use
it when it comes to business. We don't use it
when it comes to success. Right. But when we talk
about luss, we know it's such a charging and powerful
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pulling energy. Right. But if we were to say how
much do we lust? You know what I'm saying success?
How much do we lust you know, manifestation and the
creation of things that's in our mind? Right, it doesn't
almost even sound right to say that, right, But what
we're doing is the energy that's in that word. When
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we think about it, it's almost something that we can see, right,
Like we know what lust looks like, or we use
it in a negative blood lust, but we don't use
it in a positive whatsoever. But everything has a negative
and a positive polarity. That's a lot of polarity. So
I think that people don't utilize that energy of us
that want for something that you know, attraction that we
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have for something that energy that pulls us. We don't
use it in a powerful and positive way whatsoever. We
only use it in these things where we're particularly conjuring
on lower desires and not our higher ones. Right. You
can love for a better world. I want it so much.
I need that right now, and that energy pulls me
towards it. You can loves for a better self. But
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you know, being attracted to something and loving something is
different because the us may start it off, but that
love keeps it going. Right. So I think that we
even need to use some of these terms when we
talk about what we want to produce in the world. Right,
I would love for a better world? Right? Are we
in love with having a better world? Are we in
love with having our better selves? Right? Most of the time,
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we only have less for things, Right, but we don't
have a love for them. We want them, and then
when we get them, we don't take care of them
or we don't treat them.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
So, I think that a lot of ourselves have sought
the higher selves at different points in our journey. But
it was a lust, it wasn't a love. You feel me.
We got there for a moment, but then we maintain it.
You worked out that day, but then the next day
you didn't right, and then you didn't go back again.
So for me, you know, love is a frequency that
you maintained consistently, right. I love to say what you
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do frequently becomes your frequency. That's my law frequency. So
I think that as you operate, when you're talking about
sexual or gasmic energy, right, there is no greater or
gasmic energy than really saying I had this in my mind.
I brought it from this dimension to that one because
it lets me know my mind works right, It lets
me know my power, lets me know my willfulness right,
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and I think that when we operate in that manner,
then we correctly aligned.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Perfect, amazing powerful.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I had the chance to be on nineteen Keys podcast,
one of them, and so that will be coming forward
at some point in the near future Manifest House, which
we had a great conversation, so I'm excited to share
that with the world. At the end of every episode,
I like to ask the guests to share what I
call soul work, so it's something that can be really
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savored and used and kind of a guidance for processing
and integrating this conversation until I meet everyone listening again.
Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Next week. So what is some soul work you'd like
to leave with our audience.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
I will go back to the original point that I
made about finding at least thirty minutes to an hour
to just sit by yourself and do not block any thoughts,
do not take them out, allow whatever comes up to
be in your mind, just allow your mind to process.
I think in this fast paced world that we live
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in every day, we don't have enough processing time, right.
And that to me, Whether you can go in that
room by yourself and you can turn off the lights
and you can leave them on there's no sound. You
can be sending in your backyard with your shoes off right,
grounding with the sun, and it's just listening. Right. There's
a book called Stillness Speaks. I remember read that when
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I was young, and I loved that book so much
because I was able to always find stillness no matter
what place I was at, no matter how chaotic the world.
And it was something simple as looking at a stop
sign and a pole that doesn't move, and you can
be in a crowd of everyone, and then as you
connect to the stillness of this pole, it connects to
the stillness in you. You feel me and I believe
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that allows us to really connect, as I said before,
to that God with them right where you have control
over yourself, not controlled by anything. And oftentimes when people
try to find control in chaotic environments, they self sabotage
to try to give themselves a sense of control. But
I think a better practice is your stillness. Do not move.
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That is one thing that you can control. Be in
silenced right, find that time to yourself and a lot
of things that you learn right. Allow the person that
you really are right to sit still within you so
you can integrate between your private and your public. You
can integrate between your light and your shadow self. Then
make a move from that place of stillness.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
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Speaker 1 (04:44):
Welcome to the shows.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's always something right when you take it in. How
does all that land? How did it feel to hear
all that? Especially thinking of the early life and the
early challenges and all the ways that you've created yourself.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, it's interesting because I was going over this yesterday,
just putting together my whole story, going over what were
like my biggest adversities, challenges, triumphs. You know, what are
my most daring gredist beliefs? And you really are putting
your life in front of you, and you can start
to see how everything blends together to make you who
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you are and for who you're going to be. Because
when I take myself back to early days, right, there's
some footage that I often share when I was young
and I'm speaking on stages as I do today about
social issues about science, right from my parents had we
point to a private black Muslim school and they had
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it separated by gender and things of that nature. And
I think that that early influence of falling in love
with education and developing my skill sets and my talents
and seeing them play out on stage getting that feedback
from others was like the training ground to who I am.
And then having the diversity of being in the streets
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and dealing with all the adversities that I did and
all the average childhood experiences that I have, I think
gives me a unique qualifier to wear these different hats,
you know, I mean, to empathize and have compassion for
different people across the planet.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It really gives such a profound ability. And this is
what I'm hearing on what you're saying to just divinely
translate the message to be exactly what is needed in
the moment, and with the demographic that you're talking to one.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Hundred percent, I think that right now, there's just so
much information out there and we need curated sources because
we actually don't even have the time to find the
right sources. Right people are busy trying to make a living,
trying to survive. So how much time do people How
(06:55):
much time can people afford to actually research right to
find and the right source for themselves. So it's good
when you have a trusted source, right because they're eliminating
that time that's necessary for you to have to go,
how do I second guess this or third guest this
and find another source in cite this and figure out
if this is correct. So it's good when you have
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these people or entities that you trust in a world
where there's so much fluff, in a world where anybody
can tell you anything, and it sounds good. I was
talking to a friend of mine today, so yeah, we
was talking about having a technology of software as a
service to where you know it basically allows you to
take any information that you see, put it into this
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software to see number one, to check the tone, to
check the site, the sources of it, to understand the
type of journalism is it, Because sometimes a person can
put out a hit piece and people can take that
as facts. Sometimes a person can have something that's opinionated
or theory and people just believe it. And so it's
like the internet has us all in the same class,
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but we all at different grade levels. Yeah, so you
know it's easy for people of low IQ to oh, man,
I believe this because this person said it, and then
everybody else who's smart like man real theyin't need paying
attention today and they keep on going. So that's the
dangerous thing is that we need things to be curated
better for us and not just these community notes in
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fact checkers that the social media platform gives us because
they have a narrative and agenda that they want to
push something that we can use for ourselves to contextualize information.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
M God, everything that you're saying.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, and it's so interesting and I feel like, just
especially in the season of the show, we've been exploring
it quite a bit. But you know, it's like when
everyone can be a broadcaster, there is no.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Integrity.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
There's no integrity, and I think for a lot of
this work, especially when it comes to what we're now
you know, referencing is healing. Spiritual integrity is paramount, and
there's so many people that and I'm not saying and
y'all know listening, I always preface this. We're all having
so many different experiences in the midst of this, and
whatever is your breakthrough is worthy and valuable. But so
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many people have been peer learning, which is based on
one person's specific experience with whatever it is they're sharing,
and it's usually at such a surface.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Level of thought.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And that's okay for awareness, right, to give you the
seed of interest. But it's so important for masters to
take up space, and so many masters, you know, you
kind of want to just go off to the Himalayas
and not be in the midst.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Of humanity because all the things, but.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Mastery learning to me is so important and the path
of integrity, as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, I mean just thinking about that difference between like,
you can become an expert at something, right, becoming very
well informed on it, and you can mean an expert
to someone else because you know more than them, right,
But your level expertise is subjective to other experts and
whether they go to you as a source as well, right,
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And then it goes towards how long have you actually
been in this field? Right, So it's the longevity, and
then it's the experience.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And are you interacting with the fields one hundred percent now.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Not just reading the books about it, but are you
like observing and yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You can be well informed on anything, but actually having
the ability to apply it. That's completely different. Only masters
know how to have a complete mastery over a thing
because you have delved into the level of the initiate,
right and developed yourself through trial and error right to
go into mastery. And just because you've been into something
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for a long time don't mean you a master. Having
a complete control over and understanding of something I think
is what makes ones a master and your ability to
utilize it, not just to know it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
M Yeah, divinely said.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So with your background growing up in the Muslim faith,
but then also having what I'm kind of perceiving as
another level of awakening at some point in your journey,
how do both come together?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And how if you did need.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To forge a path kind of with two experiences happening,
how did that play out for you and how did
that shape you?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I think that it's always been one for me. It's
just having a deeper layer of understanding what it is.
It's like. In religion, we use a lot of different words,
and when you go into the root meaning of it
right for yourself, then it becomes an experience. Right. So
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you know, in Christianity people talk about Christ, right and
talk about Christ's consciousness and things of their nature, but
that could mean something different for each person that's in
that room. When you go into you can study a
and it can reinforce you or spiritual understanding of something. Right.
You can study physics and now you have a deeper
layer of interpretation between what you're doing. Or someone can
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call it, you know, synchronicity, right. Somebody can call something
clairvoyance and there can be a scientific way for when
to enhance that. Or one can say, well, this is
my spiritual practice of doing that. Whatever language that you use, right,
whether it's religion, whether you're saying Islam, there is a
way of everything, right, there is a law to everything.
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So for me on my pathway of deepening my own
Christ's consciousness, if you will, right, I think that there's
different methods. But when I started to go back and
I studied one thing over here, then I went back
and I read well I had learned previously they were
really the same thing, right, I just had a deeper
layer of understanding because some people, as we talk about
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that classroom, I can go to a mise and it
can be said one way inside the mosque, but I
may be able to understand it differently if a scientist
tell me. But just just because that's the way my
interests are piqued towards different type of information, right, But
that doesn't mean that they're not saying the same thing.
And we're all customized and different as far as how
we are as human beings. So the way we interpret
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things or who tells us or what source or how
we relate to it, I think it's all reinforcing the
same thing over and over All religions are really saying
the same thing. All spiritual practices are saying the same thing.
There are certain developers of gifts that you can get
you can study on human design and understand the gift,
right or you know, you can study, you know, whatever
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a person does, you know in their particular field of
science or spirituality, and then that's how they developed theirs.
But to me, it's all routes to the same God,
you feel me, So I never look at it as
a separation. I've studied things in Islam and I thought
I was studying the opposite, and then I'll come and
find out it was the same. I just didn't understand
this at first. I didn't understand how this may have
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connected to the shakra system, right, But they were bofically
explaining the same thing. One was explaining as Kundalini, one's
explained as christ consciousness. One was explaining as you know,
doing a salot, right. But to me, it was all
leading to the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I love that, and I love the way that you
expressed all of that. That is that's the path to me,
you know, that is the path. It's there's so many
roads to the truth, and ultimately it just depends on
what period of time you were alive, what continent you
were on.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But there is just so many ways to creator to God.
There's so many ways to unlocking kind of the potency
in oneself and the ability to just get these earthly superpowers.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I mean, there's a there's a lot of gifts.
It's like you can develop the ability to understand what
your enemy or others are thinking, before they think it right,
you know, and it's some spiritual circles. You know. They
may look at that as like a psychic intuitive thing,
and then you could be talking to somebody from the
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military and they can say that's strategic general thinking, right,
But it's the same exact thing. So when I say,
like there are two different routes, it really also depends
on you know, what you're using it for. Then you
take this school of thought right, But it's all training.
To me, like I've developed multiple gifts in my life,
you know, the ability to see in the future, the
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ability to see in my enemy's mind, to understand those
steps of here, that's the true you know, wisdom of foresight.
My brother Nouriy Muhammad as a book I'll call Mathematical Mind,
and he speaks upon the three sites of hindsight, insight,
and foresight, right, being able to see in the past,
being able to see in the president, and being able
to see in the future. Right. And it's a very
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powerful thing when you can do all of those at
once and understan standing time, you know, not as chronological
of backwards to forward, but understanding that things are happening simultaneously.
And there's a cycle of effects. There's cause and effect.
So I think we all use these different languages and
it makes us feel like we know something, and then
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we pitted against each other because this person uses that
one and they're saying that one. And then my mind
always goes to what is the point that you're making on?
What is the application? One? A parent can say, I
want you to go to school, to be rich, to
get your job, right, start you a family. Is that
the only route? Is that the only route you know?
Because then I can also be an independent creator and
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do that very same thing. Would you be proud of
me if I did got the same results. So we
become egoistic and selfish, and we want people to follow
our route and our path, right, not because we want
them to get the result, but we want to feel
connected to them in some ways. We want to have
control over them. I don't teach in that capacity, lead
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by example. If I inspire you from the way I
live my life, right then that, to me is the
best way to lead. That to me is the best religion.
You know, So I don't try to even we always
thought there's no comportion in this slum, right, there's nothing
to argue about there's nothing to debate about for me,
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you feel me because even when we start debating what
happens is is it doesn't mean that either one of
us are right right because I can take a source
knowledge that is one hundred percent correct, but I might
not have the ability to defend it at that moment.
And just because you have some statistics of facts or
you understand the Socratic method of making me feel like
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a fool at that moment and you feel like you've won,
but that doesn't mean you were actually correct or right.
So for me, I don't debate to people about things
that I'm not a master in because another person may
feel like they're right only because they was able to
fool you and not because they were. And I think
that we have a lot of intellectual masturbation that happens
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in the world to where everybody wants to get their
plan off.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That's so good, that's so good, that's so good, that's
so good, that's so good. I think in this moment
in history too, where to an earlier point, we just
have so much information on a planet of nine billion people,
just so much saturation, so many thoughts happening. And I
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think the telltale sign is always, But is the person
speaking to you embodied? Does the person speaking to you
live that or is it all intellectualize information or are
they in moment by moment creating, through choice and through
the way that they tend to their bodies, send to
their spirits and to their souls. What does your daily
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practice look like? That kind of feeds who you are
in the work you're sent here to do.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I think it's my daily studies that are the most
I know for Every single day there's something that I'm
working to enrench my mind to spirit, you know, whether
I'm taking some time out of stillness for myself to
just think, which I think is probably my most important practice,
is finding that that moment of stillness, because I look
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at stillness as darkness. Right, You're in that womb of self, right,
and you can hear your original thoughts, you can hear
your God's self. And to me, being able to do that,
I think centers me closer and closer to the God
within daily, especially in a world where everything is trying
to influence you and you don't know what your original
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thoughts are, right, So finding that darkness every day, finding
that stillness every day to be within myself versus to
be a reaction of the world. I think is the
most important because it constantly, you know, refocuses me on
what is important, like what am I doing this for? Right?
You get to that point you can have a level
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of success or money or this, then you gotta you
come back and you in front of yourself in the mirror,
like what am I doing this all for? Right? Then
you start asking what are we doing this all for?
You go on social media and everybody's opinions and attacking
each other and all of this, and it's like, what
do we even want? So I feel like it's that
repositioning daily, reminding myself what the hell do I want
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out this world? What do I want? Even from a
legacy standpoint, you know that meditative time, that workout time,
you know, I think you know we got our mental,
our spiritual, our physical, or our financial. Right, If you can
do something to kind of see those every single day,
I think you'll be balanced because all of those once
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they're not fed, right, they create an imbalance within your system, right,
and that's when you become sick. So I'm going to
work out, right, I'm going to read and learn something.
I'm going to have that stillness time right. I want
to focus on my aspirations and my ambitions, and each
one of those things are feeding a different sector right
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within my life that allows me to look at that
pie chart and see wholeness.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Deeply well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And the stylum meditation that I've been doing for close
to fifteen years. The style that I teach, it's called
Primordial Sound, and it's rooted very similar to TM, but
it's rooted in having a mantra in Sanskrit that you
repeat internally to yourself, and the vibration more so than
the meaning of the word, kind of shakes loose and
amplifies and does all the things inside. But the piece
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that you're speaking to with, like the daily science, but
especially the self inquiry, that style of meditation is rooted
on four particular questions that you ask yourself every day,
which is who am I don't answer it? What am
I grateful for?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What do I desire? What do I really want? And
how can I serve?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I think that piece about how can I serve
is what closes the loop. It's what kind of brings
the wholeness the completion of any inquiry, any cycle of
mastery it's and what are you giving?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And how are you serving?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And how are we advancing ultimately humanity because we're here
for our human experience.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'm so interested to talk to you about AI.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So I'm somebody that is trying to reconnect deeply and
slowly to like natural life.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So taking TVs.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Out of my house. I have like a landline phone
and that's how I make phone calls. And I have
clocks everyone. Okay, truly, no, can I tell you though,
it's the best feeling because for those of us that
were born in a certain period of time. I'm born
in the late eighties, It's like hearing a phone ring
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in the house and not knowing. I miss that kind
of surprise, Like I miss that kind of feeling of
not being in control or like you know, yeah, but
you know it's not like the same because you're just
grabbing the phone. Well, also, like five people have the
phone number. But and I have clocks everywhere, and you know,
(23:16):
a big thing for me is just I have to
escape technology a lot. But I know that's not necessarily
conducive to the society that we are.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Growing in and that's expanding.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So I'm just I'm so curious with your vision, and
I've been checking out like a lot of your content
on social especially around AI. I find it so interesting
everything that can be done in all the ways that
it can be useful. But I'm curious if at some point,
like how.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Do you see AI really fluidly.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Interacting with the human experience and does it take away
the human experience?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think yes to all of those things. What I
care about is the the vision and the end result
and which we want to manifest. And technology itself is
not about whether it's some physical machine, right. Technology is
about art, skills and craft and how you use a thing.
(24:15):
So your mind is its own technology, and most people
don't know how to use the technology of their own mind.
And most people walk around as artificially intelligent already, because
if you look at it artificial intelligence, it's programmed and
it's pre programmed to have these interfaces that react and
respond certain ways. It doesn't have its own programming that
(24:36):
it programmed within itself. It's not organic intelligence. So most
people that I know are artificially intelligent. They just respond,
They just react, right. They are programmed large language models,
and they have certain niche things that they know and
beyond that, they don't know how to think. Right. So
most people are already artificially intelligent. And when you look
(24:57):
at and you're dealing with AI, it almost is like
putting the merit to your mind, right, understanding your own
interfaces and how you interact. So I don't look at
it to particularly solve any problems for me, you know,
I look at it to enhance what I'm already doing
and whatever capacity. Right, So the question becomes for everybody
(25:20):
that wants to use this technology in this machine, right.
It's the same way while you use a phone, right,
you can communicate with people at vast distances instantly, right,
or you have to go send a messenger, or you
have to go walk and communicate that message yourself to
somebody in person. What is it di to just enhance
your communication interface? Right? Same thing when we get social
(25:41):
media created a network, you have to at first physically
go all around the world and connect with people in
the network. Now you have a social network right to
where you can connect with people all across the planet
Earth that are in various different global positions. And why
do you need that? Because you need that for business, right,
you need that just for your on life resources because
(26:02):
at first and still to this day, like you have
a child that grows up without any networks, right, or
any wealthy network, it's going to be harder for them
later on in life. They don't have those connections. And
that was the point of going to college, That was
the point of going right to these different You place
your child in this school, right, they grow up with
this kid, the letter becomes a judge, or letter becomes
(26:23):
a CEO somewhere, Right, those are connections. So when you
look at who technology can't benefit the most, it's people
who normally didn't have that access, right, It's people who normally,
you know, those things were kept away from them. So
now they can utilize technology to give themselves those resources.
The plot of the poor man is a lack of resources. Right.
(26:45):
So when I look at big corporations, I look at
big institutions. What is that gap between that allows them
to maintain power as the manageria or the ruling class.
It's their resources, it's their access, it's their brain trust,
intelligence and see that they have in the world. Right,
they have the budget so they can hire the smartest people,
and that creates a barrier for competition. So if I'm
(27:08):
giving a smart machine, and now I can't hire this
person that can do copyright. I can't hire this person
that knows about science. I can't hire this somebody else
to go do researching and editing and all these things
for me because it's too expensive and you don't have
the budget. But I can use AI to substitute that.
So now I have the same almost the same amount
(27:28):
of resources as a multi million dollar company. Right, the
question is is not about what AI is, what you're
going to use it for? Right, same thing with any
piece of technology. You have a mind, but most people
don't use it. Right, So I always approach things from
you know, a level of curiosity, Right what? And I
ask myself today, like when do we even demand anymore?
(27:51):
You go back to the early sixties, we had demands, Right,
we want it to be in certain spaces, right, we
want a certain equality, we want in certain rights that
will us our collective demands as a public. We had
that easy outcry to understand what we wanted, and when
we had that outcry, we had the lack of resources
to give it to ourselves, even though we could have
looked at each other collectively and decided to just be
(28:13):
each other resources. But we decided to look outside of
ourselves and say, hey, this is a thing holding us back.
We go up to you know, two thousands, right, what
was our demands then? I can't even tell you. I
don't know. In the early nineties we had millionaire marches
and we were talking about you know, liberation and atonement
(28:34):
and things of that nature, and trying to heal the
hood from the things that happened. He had the crack
air in the eighties, the two thousands, we were just
trying to figure out how to utilize this technology. We
stopped having demands. We started being a product of the system. Right. So,
now that human beings have all of this power, and
by power I mean access, resources, democratization of these things
(28:57):
that were normally kept out of the hands of the masses,
they don't have a demand for it. Right. So if
you are a dangerous individual, right, you know, they have
hackers that are savant, said, and they're so good they
can hack almost any system. They get caught, they keep
you away from a computer. Right, sometimes you get banned
for life because they know if you get access to
(29:19):
this machine, you can do anything you want. If you
give a mass population of people access to advanced machinery, right,
and that means that you know that they are so
demoralized at this point that they're not going to do
anything with it, and you're not afraid of them. So
it's funny because these ars are not even becoming smarter,
they're becoming weaker the more people are using them. And
(29:43):
people don't even understand that what you're watching is the
advancement of these corporations with even more you know, advanced technology,
not people having access to it. So we know for
a fact that they're not going to give up access
to the technology because they know that they're going to
use it for more control and more power, right, and
greater capitalization and efficiency or resources. So the question becomes
(30:06):
is why don't we have any demands for how we
want to use it? Because we lack vision. So it's
easy for me to see how we can use technology.
Let's look at all our problems, right, our lack of
representation in media. Right, we can't compete on media scale
because it's all controlled by ad dollars. Advertisement got the
culture on the lockhole, right, But now we can use
(30:26):
technology to create platforms to where we can connect the
core fan basis and create subscriptions, so now we can
monetize that and then grow as skilled media from an
independent operation. Without the technology, that's not possible. So I'm
not going to complain about the fact that, yes, there's
always going to be negative use cases of everything, but
that's because the enemy uses it that way. How the
(30:48):
way you go use it? Right? If there's applications to
where I can utilize and create AI sounds and music,
why wouldn't I utilize that to create Hirsch music that
I want to tune to my frequency rights custom has
a customer minded personal assessment that may be connected to
a ring or hardware or something that's keeping me aligned
in a tune throughout the day so I can de stress. Right,
(31:10):
because mental health issues are very high right for me,
it's easy to just think of like various use cases
because we got so many problems in the world. The
question is not why we use it? Why wouldn't we
use it? Right? That to me is the question. But
here's the thing that this is why everybody is so
negative about things is because in their mind, right is
(31:32):
someone else's narrative. Where do you get your narratives about AI?
Your attitudes towards AI. The law of attitude, right, when
you go into that, your attitude creates your positioning, your
disposition towards things. But your position and disposition towards things
were informed right by something or someone, and that informing
(31:55):
was done by the media. AI is the first technology
that has fifty years of media programming before it was
released to the public. So everything that we know about it,
every attitude that we have, is not based on our
experience of using it. It's based on the attitude that
was informed to us by media, by publications by scientists. Right. Oh,
(32:18):
it's going to turn into terminator, Right, it's going to
be eye robot, It's going to be These are imaginations
of white men who conjure up crazy ideas about them
having this ultimate army get in future because they don't
really believe in organic intelligence they want. They don't believe
in God, so they don't think about using these machines
for godly reasons at all. So I can understand if
(32:40):
we allow them to inform our attitude, of course we're
going to have a negative position towards it. But if
I'm informing my own attitude towards something, I'm just thinking
how can I use it to enhance my position in
the world, enhance my power control and rulership.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
God, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's really, really, really fascinating. And however we feel about it,
it's here and it will continue to be and to grow.
When I think of I guess my thoughts on AI
are probably mostly led by Black Mirror and watching all
the sass of it and then like being terrified after
(33:21):
each episode Calls. You brought up a point that it's
so interesting to hear all of the ways that you
broke that down.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Some of what you were saying. I really think about
a lot. It's so powerful the way you phrased it.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You were talking about at every kind of juncture we
had an ask, right and following that trail, coming into
the early aughts, that really is significantly where the ass
kind of stopped. And perhaps some of that is because
black culture became the leader of pop culture, and maybe
there was this thought that that leveled things out, or
(33:59):
because we were influencing all of the markets in all
of the ways that that somehow meant there was equity
and equality. But from your view, what should the ask be?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Now? What is the ask for our communities?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What is the ask culturally for our spirits, for our minds,
for existing in a not just still systemically oppressed environment
in a multitude of ways, but in many states a
progressively more oppressive systemic system is being built. When I
think of Florida, when I think of Texas. So what
(34:36):
do we need to ask for right now?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think that it's less of an ask and it's
more of a demand that we should have for ourselves.
You know, we are in a political season. Everybody is
going to try to vote for the lesser evil, whatever
that means to them, And the question is what are
you going to get from their vote? What do you
(34:59):
expect from right? Do you expect the better quality of life?
Do you expect more opportunities, more jobs? Or do you
respect that voting for one person is going to lessen
the tyrant tyrancy of the other. Like, what do we
even want from it anymore? We're not actually going for
anything at this point, We're just saying the lesser evil.
We're still going to get evil. We don't really know
what's going to be the lesson, but we think this
(35:20):
is the lesson, right, And it's like, what would happen
if the same people that utilize their platform to push
campaigns for either side every year. Where they got all
of this influence, power, money and resources and they decide,
I want to pick one of these two old white
men to go vote for. What if they did that
to where you know, they propagated young black males and
(35:42):
females right that are already doing something and they campaign
for them. Right, Why don't we see that whatsoever? We
have all of this rage when it comes to somebody
else being our savior, right, but we have none of
that same fever when it comes to us saving ourselves.
So from me, I get frustrated because I see it.
It's all fake and everybody's controlled by money, right, And
(36:07):
the only thing that we can demand of ourselves at
this point is a collective cooperation that we have our
own agendas because we have all the money, resources and
technology that we need at this point. The thing is
we have to build our institutions, right that solve our
own problems. And the more that we build on this side,
the less we need on that side. So let's start
with media, right, I have a high level conversations. Right,
(36:29):
you mentioned that in the bio right, we probably ours
is definitely top ten in the world educational platforms and
the culture. We're number one just as far as numbers,
subject matter, things of that nature. But me been doing
this for almost ten years now. I haven't had one
single person from the black community or white community, brown
whisoever offer a single hand of assistance in building and
(36:51):
scaling this thing out. So I have no demands of them.
I have demands of us. So what does that do?
And I'm not the only person I know that. That's
how all your people that's growing up in these generations,
and they look at it like, hey, you got your wealth,
you have your money, you got your power, you have
your individual success. But it means nothing right because your
individual success, you take that and you put yourself in
(37:13):
this class, then you separate yourself from everybody else. So
now we're celebrating your success while it's doing nothing for us,
and you're pointing most of your dollars into another community.
Your lawyer, your teams, right, the brands that you spend
your money on. We brack all day long about how
celebrities or rappers or entertainers have invested in these companies.
(37:34):
These are all white companies. I don't see them investing
into black companies and we know we get no funding,
so we don't get funding build our own vehicles. Right,
Robert Smith can give one hundred plus million dollars whatever
to an HBCU, But also we need to build our
own media companies, right, So where's that money being fundeled
into that. It's easy to do the donation route, right,
(37:55):
but what about the investment route to where we're taking
risks on each other to build something that we've never had.
So with all of this money, resources, and power and
influence that we have at scale, there is no collectiveness whatsoever.
We look at Hip Hop, all of this power, resource, influence,
now they're going at each other. Who cares at the
end of the day. So for me, the only demand
(38:18):
we can have is on ourselves. What are we going
to build with our money, influence, power and resource. If
we're not communicating, creating our own memberships to where we're
interconnected at least the leaders, the people with the influence,
the who's who's, then none of the other things matter.
We have to put the sting back in the culture.
We have to have science, technology, engineering. The art is
(38:39):
there already. We got the arts, we have the media,
we have the entertainment. But who's what about the mathematicians? Right,
that's nobody else's responsibility but ours. So we can go
complain about all of these things that we see on
social media while utilizing our very platform to not solve
those problems. And we're not saying you have to be
the person, but why not go look at the people
(39:01):
who's already doing it and help them scale because no
other community will leave their heroes out to dry.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Wow, no other communities will leave their heroes out to drive.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Our heroes ain't them. If I'm gonna just say it
like this, once you when you're safe, that means that
they don't believe you're going to create any disruption towards
the status quo and what's going on. So they can
throw you the brand deals, they can throw you the
ad deals. They will can't allow you in spaces. They
will let you become very rich because they know you're
(39:40):
not going to use the resources that they gave you
against them. So and maybe that's not your job. Your
job maybe is to take some of those resources network right, information,
know how and give that to those that they wouldn't
let up. Because your position can never be coveted and
can never be safe, right unless you have reinf enforcement
(40:00):
and power. Right. So it's like in Black America, there's
two sides of Black America. Right, it's the one that
is accepted and it's the one that's not. We have
all of these trigger words and all of this fake
stuff we talk about die, but we have lack of
diversity within our own community and representation. Wow, so you
can expect somebody outside of our culture to do what
(40:22):
we want to do inside our culture. So for me,
the demand has to be upon ourselves to where we
have to stop being a house that's divided, to where
it's like, Okay, when are you guys going to integrate
with each other? Right? When are you guys going to
diversify the representation that you have right within your own culture?
When are you going to invest in your own systems?
You keep complaining about us not doing it, but you
(40:44):
don't even do it, And I'm talking about doing it aggressively,
right and purposely. They talking about meet with these people.
They all scared to do anything that matters, and they
only support people that they can control. So I understand
the gambit in the game. Right, That's why we respect
actually independently utilize our creative mind, right, and we utilize
(41:04):
the resources and the machinery and the technology every day
to do for self. I don't care whether it's AR
or social media or the phone or whatever it may be.
It ain't about the technology itself. It's about what we
can use as a resource to build our own world.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Sweet Jesus.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh Man, Wow wow wow.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Just creating a little integration space. That was a lot,
and that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Was so exploratory, so profound the amount of work we
have to be really willing and take honor and doing
within our own communities, right, and also making space for
the understanding that you're doing a deep prophetic work that
(42:02):
you may not reap all the benefits of in this
lifetime and it's still honorable and it's still a worthy
you know.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But look what that says use of self, Because it's
this thing where, you know, the law of reciprocation, you
can't expect any bounty from the land that you don't
put in, Right, if you don't plant the seeds and
you don't till the ground, and you don't do that work,
then you can't expect nothing back from it, right. But
(42:31):
it's this idea that when you do good in the world.
Do not expect your rewards while you're living. But when
you do nothing for the world, you can respect all
the return instantly. Right. And I think it is this
thing to where what it does is it absolves us
a responsibility in assisting thos that's doing good work. Right,
(42:51):
you should be doing this selfishly, I am, But that
doesn't mean I shouldn't also get more resources to scale it. Right.
It's more so said something about everybody arounds. It's not
the person, right, Who are we to have the resources
to influence the platform and see someone doing a tremendous
good and not a system, right, and then when that
(43:12):
person wants some reward while they're living, like, oh, I
thought you was doing this selfishly. I did it till
I found out that everybody else was selfish, you know
what I mean? So I think, like I just went
to Oakland. I flew out there. My brother missed the
fab Yes stud Therapy and it's a beautiful event, and
I want to see that scale where you know, it's
a free event for the community mostly men that show up,
(43:36):
and you just have these powerhow circuits of men that
talk about whatever's on their mind and talk about tools
to help them with their own mental health issues and
or problems that they deal with. So I went up
there to a keynote and speak there, and it was
such a beautiful event. And something like that is easy.
We talk about mental awareness all day long. We need
to have events like that skilled all throughout America, and
(44:00):
that should be such an easy funded thing. But we've
never seen ever a collective resolve for a problem like that.
Black men specifically, I want to speak on because and
the reason I like speaking on black men because I
feel like we don't have we don't have any representation
(44:20):
from institutional corporate interest whatsoever. Because who the hell wants
to empower black men right is to they look at
it as there's to know one's advantage if black men
are in power. And what I mean by that is
we have the highest cancer rates, diabetes rates, heart issue rates,
high blood pressure, right, violence, second is suicide, right, prison populations,
(44:46):
you name it. I could keep going depression right in America.
We number one in all those. Yet I've never seen
a march for it. I've never seen a corporate campaign
for it. We're not the face of not one of them, ever,
so we are always expected to help everyone, and they
fight while we still have the hardest fight right which
(45:07):
is dealing with these issues ourselves.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
So if black men themselves, we have billionaires and more
deck of millionaires and people have influenced power and knowledge,
don't put resources to this problem, how can we expect
anyone else?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
The rest of the world is never going to prioritize us.
We know this for a fact. Unless this becomes something
that they can monetize and it benefits they bottom line,
they're always going to put that profit over people. So
if we're going back to that demand, if we don't
have that demand for ourselves, we can't demand that of
anyone else. And that's why, you know, I was supposed
(45:45):
to show up with my brothers at new ERAa Detroit
and I didn't get to make it, and I had
to double back and go to Oakland and New Area
Detroit is another my brother Zeke. They go around the
country and they're like similar to what the Black Panthers
would be. They're really in the neighborhoods. They're really creating
safety right for the neighborhood, and they show up when
they need to. Man that should be funded with tens
(46:05):
of millions of dollars, not even just from anywhere outside
by us. Right, we got financial literacy programs, earn your leisure,
myself and other different people that's doing it. Everybody watches it,
but who's actually supporting it. Nobody has roting some huge
check towards it. So when I say the heroes are
left out to drive, I mean that, right. When you
(46:26):
do things that is saving our people, When you do
things that is directly addressing the problems, right, that will
have a beneficial trickle effect because if you can get
the minds of these men together, then the families get better, right,
and now we get to decrease the problems. Now we're
trying to decrease the recidivism rate. Now we're trying to
create opportunities and jobs and skill building. Because financial literacy
(46:48):
is only such a small aspect of the problem. There's
no jobs, there's no opportunities. Everybody's not going to be
a creator on social media, right. Everybody doesn't want to
build a personal brand. Everybody when you take a personal
assessment of people, they don't have the characteristics and or
traits to do such a thing. So we don't get
any funding. So now we should have this high revolutionary
(47:10):
push towards that revolt is not booming anymore. But that
media space is empty. What platform that we can go
to that is essential that we can say, Man, this
is where I can go and get some meaningful, educational,
valuable content that is directly owned by black media. There
is none besides what we're doing right at a larger scale.
(47:31):
I mean, so once we acknowledge all of these problems exist, right,
and we ain't even got into spiritual conversations, right, But
once we acknowledge all these problems exist, and we're not
actively not saying, hey, you need to have your own thing,
you need to have No, we have to have collective
things because that's the problem. They see you shine in
the one area saying oh he talk of financial literacy, Well,
(47:53):
let me get my team to start me a program
over here. You could have took your resources and helped
them build theirs. We don't need a thousand small things.
We need huge institutions to curate change. That's real power
over time.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Deeply, well, I'm curious you have shared, especially some of
the depth of the practice that is necessary supportive structures
to support purpose and to support mission work on Earth
is something I really believe in, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Think self care. You know, it's been gentrified and it's
been kind of taken.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Into being on trend in mainstream, this idea of self care.
But I look at it as what is actually necessary
for the physical human body, for our physiology, for our
brain health, for our spiritual health. We are having a
human experience in three specific ways individually at all times,
which is our mental experience of being human, our emotional
(48:54):
experience of being human and spiritual, and then our physical
experience of being here and being human. So what do
you do for pleasure and delight in your life?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Pleasure and delight? It sounds like a snack company. I live,
you know, I do art, my design, I do music.
On my spare time, I travel, I work out, you know,
(49:29):
I spend time with friends, socialize. I think that, you know.
I like to eat. I'm a tourist, so you know,
you gotta go through the stomach to get.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
To the heart your tour son.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I gotta check the charts.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
My peoples know, Yeah, what's the moon and the rising?
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I know Burgos in there. I think Leo and Burgos
in there. Okay, I gotta I got a whole foul
on myself. I gotta go back and read it.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean that's what I do. I
think that those are the things that bring me joy.
You know, traveling, eating, creating, you know, socializing, you know,
unobliged Muhammad he said, having is money, good homes, friendships,
of all walks of life. You know, I think about
those particular areas, but I enjoy what I do. I
enjoy when i'm when I'm like even when it comes
(50:23):
to like studying or researching something new, and it excites
me to learn something and then I get excited to
teach it. You feel me that, to me is not
work that I do for profit. That's work that I
do for passion. You feel me, just because, however, my
brain is wired to enjoy those things. That's what I
love to do. Lately, I've been enjoying making music. I've
(50:44):
been putting together a new book. I've been enjoying the
process of putting that together. You know, the only things
that feel like work is when I have to like
sell stuff, or you know, sometimes when we're traveling for work,
and you know, these different pockets of putting together business
processes and systems and meetings and all of that stuff.
But you know, I don't live a life when I'm
(51:05):
forced to do anything, So I think all of it
is enjoyment and delight.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I love those answers, and I think that that is
a part that especially for black men, but absolutely men
in general. It's not necessarily this piece that a lot
of thought is spent on, and there's not as much
value seen in that. But pleasure is what God wants
us to know in this reality as well, you know,
and I think that there.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Is no fuel quite like joy if we're.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Going to feel everything else, right, that's the human experience,
the challenge, the profound challenge. So often we bypass joy
because it's like, well, it's not going to last, it's
not going to stay here. I don't want to let
myself feel that or get into that. But it's those moments,
it's those you know, the way that it can fill
your body that fuels everything else, even if it's just
(51:56):
for a moment and just for a second. I really
resonate with a lot of what you were saying, Like
my idea of a good time is studying one hundred
or going on a silent retreat like I'm like, oh,
I'm drooling, like swoon.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Get me quiet and alone.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
And get me with something fascinating that I could research
for hours on end.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
So don't get me wrong. I could turn up and
be outside too sometimes.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Okay, yeah, you at that function.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, I can vibe for surely. You know what I'm saying.
It's just I like to vibe responsibly. So I want
to feel like I'm celebrating some when I'm outside.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
So what do you do outside?
Speaker 3 (52:34):
What's your vibes might depend on you know, you can
invite me to a socially vent or some I don't
have a detailed I like that, but you'd be surprised
what I.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Might call up to dancing, like you know you're going from.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
We might gig a little different, you know, I'm talking
about who might who might do a little something. I'd
be on my own vibe though, you know. So it
really depends on my energy when I go out, because
sometimes I could be introverted. Sometimes I could be extra
So sometimes I want to observe. Sometime I want to
be in the mix, feel me. Yeah, So I always
like to be invited. You know, you invite me even
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if I don't show up. You gotta invite me. I
like to having those options.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Might not make it, but keep everybody's coming because you're
going to invite me on that day where I got
the energy, Like, yes, I'm outside, you feel me. I
don't believe in like the boxing where you got to
be some spiritual yogi floating in the room. You know
what I'm saying, acting like you just cut off from
the world. No, I could be outside and be spiritual too.
(53:38):
Oh yeah, Like I totally, you know, one hundred percent
believe in it being in motion. You feel me. It
just has to make sense.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, I think that's what the I mean, what the
deepest truth of kind of the spiritual journey actually is.
You know, it's like having fun with the human and
you know, for what.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Brings me the most pleasure is taking ideas and seeing
them come to real life and reality. And I think
that's the highest level that when it comes to men specifically,
it's like when you aren't able to take a thought
out your mind and bring it into reality and you
don't have that orgasmic pleasure of manifesting something right, that's
(54:23):
when you distract yourself to supplement that and find full
pleasure somewhere else, whether it be drugs, whether it be
you know, sex, whether it be you know, socialization, right,
entertaining yourself, numbing yourself, whatever it is, you're trying to
get that pleasure you're not getting from having a well
working mind, right, because our bodies want that, you know,
(54:46):
I mean endorphin. We want that joy, We want that release.
Or it's like we got to get it somewhere.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Eight.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Bro, you've got this idea and you can't do shit.
You better at least satisfy me some kind of way.
But when it's physical, physical things are always fleeting. When
it's mental, you can accomplish something and that thought can
bring you joy million times, right. But sex only go
bring you joy in that moment, you know what I mean,
and then you have to have sex again in order
to satisfy the flesh again. But things of the mind
(55:14):
and the spirit, they can leave you satisfied for a
very long time. Right. So that's why accomplishment to me
is the highest secret pleasure, being able to take a
thought out your mind and bringing in reality. And that
to me goes down to the details of you know,
I got to book them right on now about like
the laws, different laws of the universe I utilize and
(55:34):
live by. And you know, I was always taught the
first law of the universe's motion, second loss order, right,
So when people think about the law of attraction, they
never really have a deep seed and in a former
leg way, and so always think about you know, motion
is putting yourself into action, going to work. But having
(55:55):
order is you know, gaining traction. Right, So you go
from action attraction and then from there it can go
to when you gain so much traction and you're gaining
order upon your steps, you produce value and then that
thing that you're chasing starts to come to you. Right.
But what happens is on that road there becomes responsibility,
(56:17):
There becomes accountability, right, it becomes real. And then some
people instead of moving forward and gaining more attraction to
attraction and go to distraction. Right, So now I need
to distract myself. So now you go to subtraction and
taking away from attraction that you gained. So I think
about the motion that we have, because everybody want to
have motion, but it's more important to have order. Right.
(56:39):
So once you order things in a particular way, you
can constantly produce value, and you magnetize the things that
you want to come to you versus you constantly chasing them.
And when you learn to operate in that manner, then
you start to have success on a daily basis, right,
not just sometimes, but all the time. And so we
have to be careful because the world is trying to
(57:01):
attract us, and then that attraction can become our distraction.
Netflix doesn't want you to be successful and want you
to sit on the county watch TV all day. Right.
The poor people don't want you to have successful relationships.
They want you to beat off to whatever they push it. Right.
They don't want you to be focused in gaining traction
in life because your success in life represents their failure.
(57:23):
You physically eating right and things of that nature. You're
not going to the fast food restaurants, You're not buying
the unnecessary snacks with fats and things of that nature
in it. Now, you're going to be sitting there getting
yourself right because your focused about getting your mind, body
and spirit aligned with your goal and your vision. So
a focused society, right, is dangerous to these institutions, dangerous
(57:47):
too big farm, right, it's dangerous to these media companies,
it's dangerous to these advertisement companies, so they're directly incentivized
to keep you distracted. So we don't even believe in
Like when we talk about joy and pleasure, we don't
talk about it from a sense of accomplishment. We always
talk about it from a sense of distraction. So for me,
(58:08):
that's why I think about like, nah, my pure Like
if you've seen me doing something successful, that has to
be my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's so good.
And to a piece that you were speaking of in
terms of like I think, especially when it comes to
sexual energy, which our culture and our society is just
so led by, but in such an empty and hollow way.
So often it's like any energy can be transmuted for
(58:38):
your good and for your highest goods. So any energy
that's present can be utilized and harnessed for creation's sake.
And it's really like what are you creating? What are
you using that charge for? You know, even if you
feel a charge with another person or a charge towards
something or an experience, like the energy is real, So
(58:58):
you're feeling the energy and energetic potential of the movement
inside of you, And how can you come into a
harnessing of that for something that's advancing.
Speaker 3 (59:10):
I think like that energy. It's like, think about it.
How much do we only use the word lust when
it comes to like physical sexual attraction? Right? We don't
use it when it comes to manifestation. We don't use
it when it comes to business. We don't use it
when it comes to success. Right. But when we talk
about luss, we know it's such a charging and powerful
(59:31):
pulling energy. Right. But if we were to say how
much do we lust? You know what I'm saying success?
How much do we lust you know, manifestation and the
creation of things that's in our mind? Right, it doesn't
almost even sound right to say that, right, But what
we're doing is the energy that's in that word. When
(59:52):
we think about it, it's almost something that we can see, right,
Like we know what lust looks like, or we use
it in a negative blood lust, but we don't use
it in a positive whatsoever. But everything has a negative
and a positive polarity. That's a lot of polarity. So
I think that people don't utilize that energy of us
that want for something that you know, attraction that we
(01:00:15):
have for something that energy that pulls us. We don't
use it in a powerful and positive way whatsoever. We
only use it in these things where we're particularly conjuring
on lower desires and not our higher ones. Right. You
can love for a better world. I want it so much.
I need that right now, and that energy pulls me
towards it. You can loves for a better self. But
(01:00:37):
you know, being attracted to something and loving something is
different because the us may start it off, but that
love keeps it going. Right. So I think that we
even need to use some of these terms when we
talk about what we want to produce in the world. Right,
I would love for a better world? Right? Are we
in love with having a better world? Are we in
love with having our better selves? Right? Most of the time,
(01:00:59):
we only have less for things, Right, but we don't
have a love for them. We want them, and then
when we get them, we don't take care of them
or we don't treat them.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
So, I think that a lot of ourselves have sought
the higher selves at different points in our journey. But
it was a lust, it wasn't a love. You feel me.
We got there for a moment, but then we maintain it.
You worked out that day, but then the next day
you didn't right, and then you didn't go back again.
So for me, you know, love is a frequency that
you maintained consistently, right. I love to say what you
(01:01:30):
do frequently becomes your frequency. That's my law frequency. So
I think that as you operate, when you're talking about
sexual or gasmic energy, right, there is no greater or
gasmic energy than really saying I had this in my mind.
I brought it from this dimension to that one because
it lets me know my mind works right, It lets
me know my power, lets me know my willfulness right,
(01:01:53):
and I think that when we operate in that manner,
then we correctly aligned.
Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Perfect, amazing powerful.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I had the chance to be on nineteen Keys podcast,
one of them, and so that will be coming forward
at some point in the near future Manifest House, which
we had a great conversation, so I'm excited to share
that with the world. At the end of every episode,
I like to ask the guests to share what I
call soul work, so it's something that can be really
(01:02:27):
savored and used and kind of a guidance for processing
and integrating this conversation until I meet everyone listening again.
Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Next week. So what is some soul work you'd like
to leave with our audience.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
I will go back to the original point that I
made about finding at least thirty minutes to an hour
to just sit by yourself and do not block any thoughts,
do not take them out, allow whatever comes up to
be in your mind, just allow your mind to process.
I think in this fast paced world that we live
(01:03:08):
in every day, we don't have enough processing time, right.
And that to me, Whether you can go in that
room by yourself and you can turn off the lights
and you can leave them on there's no sound. You
can be sending in your backyard with your shoes off right,
grounding with the sun, and it's just listening. Right. There's
a book called Stillness Speaks. I remember read that when
(01:03:30):
I was young, and I loved that book so much
because I was able to always find stillness no matter
what place I was at, no matter how chaotic the world.
And it was something simple as looking at a stop
sign and a pole that doesn't move, and you can
be in a crowd of everyone, and then as you
connect to the stillness of this pole, it connects to
the stillness in you. You feel me and I believe
(01:03:53):
that allows us to really connect, as I said before,
to that God with them right where you have control
over yourself, not controlled by anything. And oftentimes when people
try to find control in chaotic environments, they self sabotage
to try to give themselves a sense of control. But
I think a better practice is your stillness. Do not move.
(01:04:13):
That is one thing that you can control. Be in
silenced right, find that time to yourself and a lot
of things that you learn right. Allow the person that
you really are right to sit still within you so
you can integrate between your private and your public. You
can integrate between your light and your shadow self. Then
make a move from that place of stillness.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Gorgeous. Thank you so much for joining, Thank you for
having me.
Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Check out nineteen keys everywhere he's at. Start on Instagram
at nineteen keys high level conversations on YouTube, and you'll
be connected to all the pathways from there. As always,
thank you for joining. Take some time, leave a five
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and I'll be back next week now, Mistay, stay stay.
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