May 1, 2025 • 68 mins
In this inspiring episode, Devi sits down with David Elliott, a reluctant yet devoted healer with over 25 years of experience guiding others on their journeys of transformation. David shares how his early career as an actor evolved into a profound calling to help others heal by nurturing self-awareness, resilience, and creative expression.
Through his lifelong study of nature and human potential, David has uncovered timeless truths about growth and healing. He emphasizes how our stories and traumas, while painful, can become sources of strength and empowerment when met with self-love and gratitude. His work is grounded in the power of breathwork, which he discovered in 1989, and he weaves this practice together with tools like writing, artistic expression, and gratitude rituals to help others reconnect with their inner selves.
Together, Devi and David explore the transformative impact of inner work, the healing power of breath, and the art of turning life’s challenges into catalysts for growth. They dive into David’s experiences at the Omega Institute, his spiritual journey, and the role of intuition and daily practices in cultivating a deeper connection to the self and the spiritual realm. This episode offers practical insights for anyone looking to integrate healing, creativity, and gratitude into their life.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Now, release slowly again deep in, helle hold release, repeating
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internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I
am deeply deep Well. I I am deeply well. I
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am deeply I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply
Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to
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land on your journey.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
A podcast for those.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That are curious, creative, and ready to expand in higher
consciousness and self care. This is where we heal, this
is where we transcend.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Welcome back to the Deeply Well Podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I am so grateful.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
And glad to have you all here with me today.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
This month, we have been diving into the topic of
looking within and discovering new rituals and practices that can
help us feel more grounded and connected, both within ourselves
and the world around us. This is always important work,
but more than ever at this time of being alive,
with all of the things happening around us, all of
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the ways our consciousness is being stretched and has been
really stretched and transformed, especially over the last five years.
Doing this kind of work this month is an opportunity
to go deeper into the ways that you can show
up for yourself so that all the ways that you
can bring light on the planet are supported and nourished,
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and you can have vibrant mental, spiritual, emotional, and ideally.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Physical health as well.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So we've been diving into all of that, and that
is why I am beyond.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Excited for today's episode.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I could not think of a better being to get
into the fibers of this conversation than the person I
have here today.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
One of the.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Most incredible healers I have ever had a chance to
cross path with, and one of my favorite favorite teachers
and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. Our
guest today was born and raised on a farm in Kentucky.
David graduated from the University of Kentucky with an MBA degree.
He then ventured to Los Angeles and began acting in films,
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television shows, and commercials throughout the nineteen eighties. After meeting
with a mystic healer, Tim Heath, Elliott connected the dots
of many chances with strangers, people claiming that they had
been sent to him for healing by their guru in
India or their psychic in New York. With the help
of Tim, David learned to recognize his unique ability to feel, move,
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and shift stuck energy. The healing work soon became his
passion and the reluctant phase of his life dissipated. By
nineteen ninety seven, his acting career had successfully transitioned into
a full time career working as a healing artist. As
David recalls, the universe obviously had a plan for me,
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so I decided to get out of the way and
do the healing work. David has had a successful healing
practice for the past twenty five years, as well as
an active practice in many US cities and Europe. He
has trained healers from around the world and the demand
for his teaching and healing work is growing. In recent years,
David has begun teaching teachers so he can have more
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support and get.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Into a much needed vacation.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The Creative Healing Arts Center is his vision for the
future and his way of giving back to the Mother
Earth and all of the beneficial energies that have been
supporting him in his healing journey. Creative expression is a
shortcut David is used and helping people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Heal, and it will play a big role.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
In this center, as artists will be giving opportunities to
help tell their story about how we have to take
care of Mother Earth literally as our most important family member.
We are so so honored to have him on the
show to share his insights and guide us towards self
love and healing.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
David, welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Did that feel so cringey hearing your whole life read
to you?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's not too bad, Yeah, yeah ah. I am so
excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I also have two of your books here that I'm
obsessed with, and we're going to link to these in bio.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I've read and loved them both.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
The first was Reluctant Healer by You, which is an
incredible book about your life and also like fundamental beginning
to be in a healer and all the practices and
all the ways that you'll need to support yourself and
create your spaces. And then his second book, Healing, is
an incredible read as well. So I love these and
these will be linked in bio. This episode is absolutely
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for everyone, but especially I think if you identify as
someone who has come onto the planet to help it,
if you're somebody who lives in service and has a
desire to one help yourself, but you're helping yourself to
help others, to help the planet.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And I'm really excited for this episode, David.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Because this last month we spent four episodes exploring integrity
and all the different facets that integrity can be in
our lives and our spirit and the world and the
work that we do. And I thought it was so
important to ground this season in that because it's so fundamental,
but it's something I don't here spoken to or taught.
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And in this day and age, if you don't have
a direct teacher or someone that you can spend slow
time with becoming yourself and learning, it's not necessarily going
to be imparted on you. Like lately, everything is about
core structures and I'm a tenx this and making this
much and I teach people how to teach people, how
to teach people, how to teach people how to take money,
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you know. And this month what we're exploring is supportive
tools and practices and processes to really build and fortify
the endurance to heal yourself and to be a light
in the rest of the world. And so I'll start
with how we first got connected.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh I do remember, I think forget which one if
one of the will.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Is Oh, my god, Scout, Scout, Scout.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, my beloved Scout, My beloved Scout willis Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
One of my dear friends. She and I had a
few years back, had been studying together in the same
in a similar in the same program, and I remember she,
you know, we were talking about so much of our
stuff and we're working through so many things, and I
remember she told me about you, and she was.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Just like, go.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was so mystical the way she said it, right
like it was just very much like you must.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Go, you know, And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And so I remember I went to visit you and
I did a healing session with you. And as you know,
we don't have to get into this. I got a
certain kind of brain. I'm like, I'm a certain kind
of person. I can be a little intense, I have
a lot of questions, I have a lot to say.
And remember I spent a few hours with you, and
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I'll never forget how it felt doing that first session
with you. And obviously now I've had the chance to
experience your work many many, many, many many times gratefully.
But this first session, it felt like I was able
to integrate every single thing that I had been excruciatingly
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working on within myself. And when I came to you,
I realized that I was ready for the next stage
of my journey in my life because it all went
and assimilate it within me. And I remember we were
doing breath work and we were in the healing session,
and I had this like literal feeling of being into
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masculine and feminine and it was kind of like blue
and pink, and having this experience of it uniting and
harmon and becoming like two halves into a hole. And
I had this feeling of energy literally like rushing into
the soles of my feet and freeing me in a
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different way than I had ever felt before. And as
someone who is a healer and is trained in the
modalities of healing, I do there really is nothing more
sacred than having the power of someone else's healing kind
of cover you and kind of being in awe that
you know. And I remember just feeling being there and
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not only feeling reverence for the way that it allowed
me to feel within myself as my being in this
lifetime and the things that I've been through in this life,
but just also how incredible and powerful it is to
be in awe of someone that has achieved so much
in the work God called them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well. I don't know if I'd go that far, but
I mean the way I look at it, and I
remember our first couple of sessions talking about some of
the ways you had been working in me trying to
impart and why I love breath work is that I
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don't feel like I'm doing anything. I'm holding the space
and really kind of letting a person's spirit hold the
agenda for the healing that they're ready for, which I
feel like so many things. Well, I think the luxury
and how I look at a lot of how I
tend to work is that people have done so much work,
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whether it's therapy, healing work, all these things, and that
I get lucky sometimes and helping thread the need or
connect those things up. But when you mentioned about the
pink and the blue, or the masculine and the feminine,
that's deep work that I've doing on my own for
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a long time, and even working with the native pipe,
it's that's the sacred energy, is the masculine in the
bowl and the stem is the feminine in the bowl,
and the stem is the masculine. And when you bring
the two together, you know, it really helps that that
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energy in your heart and really that sacred marriage or union,
which to me it's not always one hundred percent, but
if we get that pretty balance, and of course I
write about self love a lot, then it I believe
it frees us up in so many of our external
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relationships because if we're loving ourself, we're not needing something
to help complete us.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So yeah, yeah, that is the work.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of course, that was a line Jerry Maguire, you know,
you complete me, which to me was a great theatrical
whatever line in the movie. But it's not a practical scenario.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, film and TV really jacked us.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Up pretty pretty much.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it really who lives like that?
And also, yeah, it's just all right, we don't even
have to Someone needs to make a Netflix documentary about that,
especially the nineties. But it was incredible. And you know,
I've shared about you on this show before because we
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were both up at the Loved of Mega Institute at
the same time last season, and I actually posted about
this recently on Instagram. So much left Romega. I was
up there with the women who Heal Retreat.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I want to I just kind of want to
set the stage the visualization of this.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So David is a bock star on O'll make us
campus right, So the campus like me and myself and
Quinapua were at Omega leading the women who He'll Retreat
And it was an incredible week that we were there,
and we had I think we had about seventy five
women with us that week. So we were kind of
moving through the campus. You know, it's a beautiful place
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and it was so special. And then everyone was like whispering.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Like David Elliot is going to do a breathwork.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Done.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My David Elliott is doing breathwork. They're like, I wonder
if you can get in that class.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I wonder And then I saw you. We sat down
and we had a meal together, and You're like, invite
all your women. So we show up. We're in the forest.
It is the night, and we show up to this huge,
beautiful sanctuary and David had his huge group of students
and then there was this huge group of veterans from
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all over the country that were learning different practices and
mindfulness and then I had my group of a amazing
seventy five women, most of whom I would say ninety
nine percent of whom had never done breathwork of any
kind before. And we all come in there and like
I'm in my jammy as I actually had just washed
my hair, I had it all tied up, and we
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are all in this huge sanctuary and we're laying on
the floor and David leads us through an hour of
breath work. And to this day I get constant messages
about how much that changed the lives of the women
who had come with me, and how important that was
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for them, how much space it created in them. So
they've been sharing updates of how life is felt since then.
But if you've never sat in a breathwork session, and
when I say breathwork session, I don't just mean kind
of like some of the more yogic breaths that I
lead on this show or in meditation. Sometimes this is
very kind of active, participatory, holotropic breathing, and it can
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it can very much feel if you've done this before,
like a psychedelic experience. It completely gets you inside of yourself,
but it takes you out of any desire or connection
to being able to control and you're on a journey,
and in sessions like this, you'll hear things like hysterical laughing,
You'll hear wailing and weeping and crying.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You'll hear sometimes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Words, you'll hear joy, you'll hear bliss. But it's a
feeling that deeply changes you. And yeah, that was That
was one of the very special experiences that we had together.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It was and I was a little apprehensive, not knowing,
but obviously the veterans who were there were Vietnam vets,
vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. So I was like, well,
you know, their bodies. And I talked to Annie about it.
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You know, the trauma that they held, you know, was
profound in a lot of cases. And I was like,
you know, you guys, you can have your group together
kind of in the corner by the door that way,
if anybody needs to leave the room at any point,
go in and out, they can. But little did I know.
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As I got in there and set up, this line
of guys came and set three feet right in front
of me, about fifteen of them, and I started to
realize they were wearing fatigues and that oh the veterans
have come to the front row, and I was like,
are you guys supposed to be with Annie back in
the corner, and they're like, no, no, she told us
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to come to the front row. So I didn't. I mean,
I'm not afraid of it, but I didn't know how deep.
And within a few minutes of breathing, not only did
there well, So for me, the reason why use the
breath is to help people stop thinking, to get out
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of their mind in a way at the oxygen does that,
and really my whole intention is that we open the hearts.
And I saw it happening kind of almost like this
trickle effect with these guys, and then their bodies started shaking,
which I knew they were, you know, that's in conjunction
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with the sounds and the rest of the room, but
I knew they were going really deep. And yeah, I
saw some of those guys the next two days who
would come up and tell me what all happened to them,
which was really deep. And some of them had done
some types of breath work before too, so they were
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ready to dive on in there deeper, so it was
good deeply.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, how did you first discover the breath. And how
did you know that that would be your superpower?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, remember that first books called The Reluctant Healer. So
I had and as you read in the bio had well,
I grew up in Kentucky. I had a great uncle
there after I finished college who had raised his had
moved to Los Angeles and raised his children out here
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or in the Fountain Valley, and anyway, they were all artists,
actors and musicians, and so he had moved back to
Kentucky after he had been there a little while. He
got me and said, I'm taking you out west. He said,
I'm taking you out west, young man. We have to
get you out of Kentucky. I was like, okay, I'll go.
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And I didn't realize it was he was really intentionally
getting me out of Kentucky. I didn't. I actually for
a little while, took a job with a company and
moved to Florida. But his grandkids planted the seeds and
they just they said, well, why why do you need
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to get a job, Just stay here and be an
actor and what are you talking about? And so little
did I know the universe had this plan. I got
to Florida and started meeting photographers and agents and started
doing commercials. Ended up back in LA about three years later,
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and then simultaneously, I mean, I was getting some work,
you know, in Florida and commercials, but I knew I
wanted to do more theatrical work, and I really studied.
Like I mean, it took me a while to understand, Oh,
you can actually emote and you can feel things. I
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mean to me, the whole acting process was very spiritual
because I didn't I mean, I was emotional growing up,
but I didn't know that you could actually work with
your emotions. And so, you know, I'm thinking, I'm in
LA and this is my life. I'm going to be
an actor. And then literally people started grabbing me, like
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sometimes frantically, telling me I was this healer, and they'd
pull things out of their pocket or their purse. Like
one lady had a cassette tape she had had a
reading from some psychic in New York City, and she goes,
I'm supposed to I was supposed to meet you today,
and here you are. And a woman and her daughter
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grabbed me on an airplane once and pulled me down
in the seat. They pulled out you know, like a
card and said this guru in India had told them.
I mean, you know, stuff that's pretty bizarre, but it happened,
you know, twenty five thirty times. Of course, my ego
was always hoping they'd seen me in acting something other,
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but it was always this thing about a healer. And
finally I said, okay, God, you need to send me
some answers. And then my phone rang and one of
my best friends in Florida told me that I needed
to meet this guy Tim Heath, who was a healer
in Sedona, but he's coming to LA and I said,
I must need to meet him. I don't even know
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what a healer is. Anyway, he was coming to LA.
A couple days later I met him. I remember as
soon as I walked in to meet him, he goes, hello, brother,
we meet again. And I go what and he goes, oh, yeah,
I've known you many lifetimes. You're a healer. And I go,
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what do you I don't what is it? What are
you talking about? And he goes, you taught me a
meditation in India. I'm going to show it to you
today and you probably don't remember it. You taught me
this two thousand some odd years ago. I mean by
that point, I was rolling my eyes and just kind
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of laughing because I was like, man, these people are
nuts out here.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And he goes, he goes, you're you know you're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Be doing this work. You've been You've done it many lifetimes,
and I've been with you several of those lifetimes, which
I couldn't wrap my head around that. Anyway, he led
me through a breathing session. I mean, the funniest thing.
I don't remember if I've told this in any interviews before,
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but when I went into the room, yeah, anyways, let
me lay down on a bit, got me started breathing
the whole time. I mean, I felt like I was
in this ceremony and anyway, it was really profound. A
lot went on my body. Yeah, I was. It was
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more than psychedelics.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And anyway, don't you skim through these details. I want
it all well.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So it was like the whole time I saw myself
on this mountain, there was smoke and wind, and you know,
it was this whole thing I was with these elders.
You know, I was fully in it. And the biggest
thing was is when I was five and a half,
my family we had lost a baby boy who was
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a year and a half old. And you know, I
had always carried that my parents were really young, and
I think I this was probably part of my curve
but gift in that I was able to carry a
lot of the grief for the family, and I always
knew it was there. When I was doing the breathing,
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I felt it and saw it leaving me like a
spinning tornado. I mean, it was really crazy. I even
had some images of my baby brother. And so a
couple of weeks after that session, well, when I finished it,
Tim and said, well, I'm going to be doing this
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workshop in Sedona whatever a month later. You're welcome to come.
And I was like, oh, let me think about it.
I don't know. Maybe a week later there was a
guy in the room with him who was supporting him,
and the person called me excuse me, and he goes, well,
how did a session? How was it? And I said, yeah,
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it was great. What was that that ceremony he was
doing There was like wind blowing and smoke, and I mean,
it was like the craziest thing. And he started this
belly laugh and he goes, well, I hate to tell you,
but did you notice when you came into the room.
There was an ironing board and Tim was ironing his
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shirts when you were breathing, and so he was using
like spray starch, and it was like this sh and
he was fluffing shirts and it was probably close enough
I was feeling this. They probably did burn a little
sage or something, but anyway, it was this whole crazy ceremony.
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But in reality, I mean, he was playing some music
but broning his shirts, and I was hearing those sounds,
you know, and feeling this wind. So it allowed me
to think of some things to add into the healing
work that I do, if it's a spray or if
it is certain things I'm working with. And it also
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taught me when we get, you know, out of the
logical place in our brain and we really start to
open up. I mean, he he goes, he showed me
the breath. He goes, you'll be breathing. He called it
a two stage breath. He goes, You'll be breathing like this,
you know. So I just did exactly what he showed me,
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full breaths, and within a few minutes, I felt like
I was I kept touching down. I felt like I
was levitating. It was like lightning bolts were shooting through me.
I can't say. I actually had quite a lot of
connections to past life memories, but I don't remember India,
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although I've had a lot over the years. A lot
of psychics have come to me for me to help them,
and I've had numerous ones say, you know, you had
some significant lifetimes in India, and this one lady I
would be like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, and this
one lady goes, no, you should be really clear if
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you ever go to India, because you might not come back.
And I go, is that because it's so good or because.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's so bad.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't know if I want to go to India,
so needless to say, I haven't been back yet or
I haven't been there. But it pretty quickly, it you know,
grabbed my attention and there was no you know, shaking
the experience. And that's what I've learned. I think the
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thing people are most hungry for is not some logical
understanding about a spiritual process. It's the experience of the
spiritual process. And so, you know, I couldn't get it
out of my mind. I went to Sedona. I said okay,
I'm coming. You know. There was like six or seven
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people there and they were giving me the royal treatment.
Every time something would go on, Tim would have me,
you know, breathe, and they would all support me. I
found out, you know, a little while after, I was
the only paying person at the retreat, so I was
basically paying for the other people to be there. There
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were people friends and people he picked up along the road.
He would travel around a lot. He always said he
was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but that his gifts were
a lot different than mine. In that first meeting, he said,
you know you're Claire audience, and I go, what's that?
He goes, well, it's a gift of hearing. And I
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said okay, and he goes, well, it's not it's very uncommon.
How yours is? He goes, it's way more refined than mine.
He said, you hear the answer to people's questions before
they asked the question, are you here into their soul
with their spirit? Which it took me a while to
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understand it. Even though I knew when he said that
that it was true, I just didn't know what it was,
you know, my whole life. But it had really exploded
when I moved to La. You know, it had increased
a lot, mainly at that moment I was dating this
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girl and the relationship was kind of as apparent that
it needed to end. And I am probably in that
opening with my heart and the pain in there, Like
I would experience her dreams at night, I would hear
her thoughts, you know, and so you know, that was
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like it kind of just blasted open, and it you know,
and once it blasted open, it's pretty much you know,
stayed that way. So but I was reluctant the first
several years I didn't start working. I mean, I met
Tim I think it was nineteen eighty nine, so you know,
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but he would come to La once a month and
there would be all these people who had been thinking
that I was supposed to help him, and I would
just say, you got the wrong person, but I know
who you're looking for. And I would point him to
him and then he would do this thing, you know,
be at my house. People would come over and then
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he would have my man. I would introduce him to
them and he would say, why don't you get him
started breathing. I'm gonna I got to do a quick
phone call, be right back. Well, he never would come back,
and he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher,
I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask
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me to do a healing session on him every time
he was around me. And so he had had some
traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but
I didn't know. I was like, what is going on?
What does he want me to work on him? And I,
you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I
didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning.
(32:18):
The eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know.
And he taught me into seeing you know, a few
people a week. He's like, just see a few people.
You won't have to if you're not working as an
actor in that time period, you know, you can you know,
pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple
(32:40):
of years after i'd met him, and and then this
herd of people kind of turned back. And so when
I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned
into forty people a week. And so that was you know,
long gosh, twenty six seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Now, yeah, Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Wow, it's so interesting, you know, just like connecting to
that story. And I know so so many people listening
might be in their reluctant phase right now too, so
they may, you know, have, yeah, be at the beginning
stages of exploring, like how do I work with this
(33:26):
thing about me that I've always kind of sensed but
not really known what to do with. And I had
no one to talk about right it too, you know,
David you it's it's interesting. How do I want to
phrase this because I'm trying to keep it so anonymous,
But your healing work has positively impacted and affected some
(33:53):
people that really like permeate the pillars of society, right
like you. You you work with a lot of anybody,
You work with all kinds of people, but a lot
of people that do find you are people that are
in mastery of what they are here to do and
there are some things to maybe get out of the way.
(34:14):
So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has
had effects on multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It's had effects on the Oscars.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
There have been some Oscar winners, there have been some
global best selling books. There have been a lot of
huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, minds and
souls of millions upon millions of millions of people that
(34:46):
were able to happen because they were also supported by
some of the deeper work that you were doing with
those chosen to impact with that kind of You know,
I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so many different kinds.
What are some common blocks or beliefs that prevent people
(35:09):
from accessing that depth of self love or being able
to really kind of be in participation in co creation
with what they're here to do.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative
Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've
loved sports, i love art, I love creative expression, and
I find that I can say to the universe, hey,
I like to work with some of these people or
(35:40):
these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm
learning I have intuition. But then I can like look
at some things like the most creative people believe it
or not, which you probably would understand it usually have
(36:01):
had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them,
maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity
even just to stay alive. And oftentimes when I'm dealing
with people whether they're a writer or an actor or
(36:24):
movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know,
close to whatever, doing something destructive. I would usually just say, well,
what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects?
And if we get them back, just go on and
(36:45):
finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if
we can get them back creating, the problems go away.
Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent,
if you don't use it, it's going to use you.
(37:05):
But if if and I noticed that, I mean I
not learned that in college with you know, the one
weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be
throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because
they weren't playing the game that week and using it up.
(37:25):
And so they see it, you know, kind of across
the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse,
you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky,
I'll try to word it the right way. But if
you stay in a place of you know, being victimized
(37:46):
by it and not you know, like you invest into
life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually
it'll fester and then you probably won't, don't. I mean,
things might not go so well. And you know, conversely,
if a person uses it, helps others, tells their story,
(38:10):
chooses to work through it, and that it even becomes
a gift or something that's allowed them to you know,
apply themselves, then it frees them up and usually is
the recipe of their success because they learned to put
(38:32):
in the work and they didn't let something stop them.
So there's so many ways. I honestly with you know,
La Hollywood all that, I feel like the universe had
a very specific plan that you know, put me here
to think I was supposed to be an actor, but
(38:53):
then when I started writing, I was like, whoa, I
feel more empowered and free. I don't need to wait
for somebody else to approve or whatever. I can actually
the need to express the clare audience, the throat chakra.
(39:14):
Writing took care of that for me. So I haven't
looked back. It's like, you know, I've never regretted not
being an actor or whatever. You know. I was like,
it's kind of a relief in a way. You know.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
So that is so highful about radio too. People always
ask it, do you miss being on TV?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Or being on the radio, and it's like I don't
know how to how to like fully convey how.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Much I don't, right, you know, like like no, actually
not at all?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is
within the alignment of what we're here to do, and
when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark.
I always a lot of people. If you've been living,
you know, around LA and you have this need on
(40:07):
some level to express to help to do things, then
you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of
those abilities, like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you know,
the people that end up recording or you know, they're
(40:29):
like way qualified beyond what I really probably need. But
then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay,
this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas,
and so you know, again the beauty is, I mean,
plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to
(40:51):
Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean,
I just will say for me, I like prefer to
kind of under the radar a bit.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's what I love about your archetype so much.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I feel like I've had some of the just the
greatest people to learn from, you know, like between you
and I would also say Deepak and watching the way
you move with your gifts and your reach and you
know what, you're here to do it. That's always how
I felt. That's always how I knew I was meant
to move. I just didn't see it anywhere, and it
(41:30):
gave me such permission because I think especially now, and
only touch on this for a second, but I think
it's relevant because we're in such an age that is
about quote unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me,
look at me, or you know, just kind of receive
this even before it becomes something, and it's just that,
(41:51):
you know. And for some people that's beautiful and they
are that archetype. And for others there are other paths,
you know, there are really other ways. Yeah, to even
work with one's own charisma and.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Magnetism, Yeah, for sure, you know. I mean, oh gosh,
I have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it
was a few days after I had taken a group
of people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there,
I would for many many years do a retreat or
(42:26):
too there, usually every labor day in two thousand and one.
Labor Day was whatever, the end of August. So we
were there and I would like, usually do this little
ceremony in a cave, and people said, you have to
teach us this, and I go.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And I said, okay, I will, And I was like,
you know, because they had been asking for a long time,
and you know, and then September eleven, event's happened, and
literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty
in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's
(43:09):
really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I
tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't
want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's
around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to
tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But
(43:30):
when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I
audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to
the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear.
So I go get in the car. I was living
in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and
it's a no no North sent me up almost to
(43:51):
Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where
I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach,
walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline
and it said here. I got in the water when
I went out and went all the way under. When
(44:14):
I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing
the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer.
But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated,
and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today,
we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family.
(44:35):
I don't. I mean other times people have said is
the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no,
it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day,
it was that imperative and I got I, you know,
heard it. And then when I stepped out on the
beach from coming out of the water is where I
(44:58):
first saw these oce and stones that I sometimes pick
up and give the people, And it said, pick these
up and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no
help them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get
sent back like once a year to pick up a
backpack or two of ocean stones and still give them
(45:20):
to people on their first session so when they come
to see me. So you know, sometimes I mean I
can think back on it, you know, and you can
kind of some of the stories can seem a little outlandish.
But I don't question when I'm really receiving a strong
(45:44):
message anymore. I don't say I always do it, but
if it's really strong and it comes around a second time,
I know I better start making some movement towards it.
Otherwise the third time it's going to be painful, you know.
Like the third time it like that be a limb
hits me in the face right when I hear it
(46:05):
or feel it, or you know, I might slip up
a step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've
learned when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that
way for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned
it a minute ago. I believe the people who are
here now and choosing to be in a role of
(46:28):
helping others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery,
you know. I believe that we're in a place some
mother Earth at this time that's of a lot of importance.
Maybe not that different than a lot of other times,
you know. But my musician friends, I'm like, you should
(46:48):
finish that album now. It needs to be out. For
writers who were working on.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Their books stayed on me.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
It's like, you've got to get the book done, you know,
because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing
that helps you know, lead people.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even
thinking about it right now, I want to cry.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I think, like I just I ran from finishing this
book that will be available for precell in January and
purchase in April. It's called living in Wisdom or to
say on that. But you know, I ran from running
it from writing it for quite a while. And every
time I would come to see you, which is like
usually a few times a year, yeah, like I feel
(47:38):
like I get in hopefully when all is good and
you're not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that.
And every time I come, I would be like, so
the book and they said finish it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's
the book coming? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, it
kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes and
I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening.
But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity,
and you do know you're here for something, but there's also,
you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself,
I feel I've had visions about a lot of things
(48:17):
I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right,
or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of
something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Or is it the person next to me? Or is
it the person I know?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
And so I loved how you said, like when you're
feeling a sense, sometimes it's not always okay, so you
have to rush You got to get out of bed
and rush out and do it all like this, But
it's like start making steps towards, start taking time to
let yourself think more about it or let it lead you,
or creating little piles of something towards something something you
(48:52):
had shared with me. You were like, just start making
piles around your office of like make on the floor
a pile for each chapter and just start placing things
in each thing and then come back to it and
wrap yourself your mind around how you might get this
on paper or because I think that's the thing, and
(49:14):
that's it's all in us anyway, right It Like a
lot of times our work is how do you clear
enough space to get it out or how do you
create the systems that are necessary for you to get
it out of you?
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Right? Well, and for most you know, sometimes the bigger
the risk, the bigger the resistance to trust and to
start it or and or birth it, you know. So,
I mean, inevitably, I work with a lot of writers
and had, you know, like for a while, three writers
(49:51):
groups in the evenings for years. You know, I believe that,
you know, again, creative expression and sharing our stories are
the best form of therapy that we can do for ourselves. Yeah,
you it causes us, cause you to get clearer on
(50:11):
what you're communicating.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You know, David, I'm going to just put this out there, Okay.
This is like a really important time to be alive. Yep,
It's a really important time to be here. It's also
really challenging, and I guess it's never not been, but
(50:34):
for the context of the amount of years that I've
been alive, it's an incredibly dense, challenging time and I'm
just you know, you have seen so much, you feel
so much, you have helped so much, You influence so
much for people listening that may not that no inside
(50:59):
their healer, or they have a work to be birthed,
or like myself, I had no desire for any kind
of a fame or attention. But I always knew I'd
have a fascinating life. Dare I say remarkable to me
kind of a life?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
And so I didn't know what that meant or where
it would fit. But I know so many people feel
that way. And then that can also feel like and
what paralyzing?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
What do I do with this?
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
What's my purpose? How do I.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
People that feel the call without any other stuff around it?
What should people be doing or thinking right now? Or
how can they begin to prepare themselves to step up
for their destiny?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Well, I always think again that we're probably in the ballpark.
There's you know, it's like when people start asking me
how can I connect to past lives? I go, well,
usually it's you know, get history and times where you're
where you found interesting or you're captivated by it. Start there,
(52:09):
and so you know, when it comes to healing work
and look at where you know, look at where you're
led and what you lean into and what really feels right,
and probably you know it might need to scare you
a little bit or make you uncomfortable. I don't think
(52:29):
it's always the most comfortable thing, because to me, spiritual
growth and evolution is going to push us, you know,
it's going to push us to ideally learn how to
trust and with creative people and intuitive people and incredibly
(52:50):
psychic people. It's not do you have gifts that It's
not do you have a lot of intuition, it's to
what degree you're willing to trust, you know, because there's
a lot of God help them, No, not even in
a negative way. But maybe some of the most intuitive
people are homeless and live on the street and they're
(53:12):
constantly receiving. But the filtering or understanding it may not,
you know, always be there, but there can be really
open vessels. So what I like work at helping people
understand is you can develop your intuition. You can develop
(53:34):
that exchange with it to so that you can trust
it and trusting it. It's not in the head, it's
those goosebumps, it's the mini you know. For me, the
relationship with nature or mother Nature, and the way she
communicates to me constantly keeps me where I don't need
(53:57):
to think or I don't need to go into the
ego or mind that it's you know that my body
will tell me so much. My connection to hummingbirds, to hawks,
to butterflies, to the wind, to if a candle's burning,
how it's talking. You know, everything is a flow of information.
(54:20):
We just have to be present to it, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
And that's what not only keeps it interesting to me,
that's where it all happens in the moment. And you know,
I think one of humans' biggest challenges is as everything
speeding up. You know, so many people are out of
present time. So therefore they suffer from anxiety. They have
(54:53):
a deep feeling of there's not enough time. And so
for me, it's like, well, to work with time, you
have to be able to expand time by really expanding
your awareness and the moment. Then time slows down.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, everything that you're saying is the gospel. Yeah, it's
how it happens. It's how some of the things anyone
listening that resonates may have been feeling that seems so
strange and different even that, because this month we're exploring
rituals and remedies in the power and so, you know,
I love the way that you were speaking to really
(55:32):
sometimes building or experiencing a relationship with everything that's in
front of you, gleaning the information of everything that's in
front of you. Yeah, because there's always support for us,
and there's always messaging, and something you said earlier on
this show, I've shared my way of wording it would
(55:54):
be I had to start listening to the whispers of
God so I didn't have to keep getting punched in
the face by God. I was like, I don't want
to catch God's fade another time. I will listen. It's
a whisper and we will get it done.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Deeply.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, it's so powerful, David, and I just really hope that, however,
and whoever needs to hear what's being said, it's really
going where it needs to go, because there is no
better time than now.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah. I mean, you know, we have children, so we're
ideally putting in the work so that maybe you know,
they can not just well I won't say have it easier,
but at least have the opportunity to choose what they
(56:51):
want to do and be able to, you know, hopefully
be having some fun in the process. And that's why
I was saying a minute ago to me. If we
find what we're doing interesting and we're and it's not
costing us, it's not draining us, it's effortless. Number one,
(57:13):
you're not going to age as fast. Number two, you're
the work doesn't feel like work, it, you know, it's
there's nothing that makes human beings happier than helping other
human beings.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
God, that's so real. It We're designed for service. Yeah,
so when you're serving, it actually is effortless. Right. If
you're serving and it feels like martyrdom, there's something else.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
To investigate there. But service does have ease to it.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
It is innately what you're designed to do with the
gifts you're designed to have.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yes, yeah, well, you and I both know probably plenty
of super wealthy people, not I mean almost to a person. Again,
I'm not talking about anybody specific, but the more money
a lot of times people have, the bigger the fear
that they're going to lose it is. Whereas you know,
(58:10):
I love working with artists. Of my whole life, I've
loved working with the artists who might tend to live
hand to mouth, but they're you know, living in a
way where there's a pretty good exchange with you know,
feeling on purpose that they're doing something that they came
(58:31):
here to do. And you know, we all have a
role in this. And not to make it so important
or overly serious, but to me, I do think you know,
with climate, with technology, with politics, which we won't talk about,
but all these things are converging, you know, in a
(58:52):
time where it's all very heightened, you know, and I
think there's going to be good ways that you know,
good things can come out of it. And I think
that it would seem that some challenging aspects are part
of what we're in right now too, you know. So yeah, again,
(59:13):
it's all what we do with it, and hopefully there's
enough you know, intuition and positive efforts being made to
circumvent you know, where things might be going in the
wrong direction, you know.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, Healing old patterns and stuck energy is essential for
personal growth. How can we start releasing these patterns even
just the beginning maybe phases of the self work or
something a person can do in conjunction with other things
(59:50):
that they're doing to heal, but maybe some daily rituals,
remedies or practices.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
I mean, you know, again I'm a little biased about
the effectiveness and the ease with breath work because you know,
I think the shortest meditation I have is a seven
minute one, which is like running to the gym and
doing a few push ups and chin ups and running out.
(01:00:17):
But again, discipline, I mean why I love working with
you know, professional athletes is usually they got they have
discipline down better than anybody else just about. And so like,
you know, a ritual, a discipline, something that you commit
to doing that kind of resets you or clears you
(01:00:40):
or get you in a place where you can go
on about being conscious throughout your day. People will oftentimes
say when should I do the meditation. I'm like, well,
because me, you know, I would just say first thing
in the morning is then you're not waiting till later
in the day. But and I don't always say it
has to be breadthwork. Like if a person prays and
(01:01:03):
they feel this alignment with energy and spirit, I'm fine
with whatever people choose to do. You know that it
has some effect on them, you know, Art, I mean
to me, Art there's nothing better than you know, writing
(01:01:24):
or playing some music or dancing or whatever you do
that feels like it clears you, puts you in a
space of alignment and allows you to go on about
what's next in the day. So and you know, for
the nocturnal people who feel like they have to do
things in the evening, I don't. I'm fine with that too.
(01:01:46):
So I just know I'm an early morning person, so
usually I'm doing things first thing, you know. But there's
no I don't make rules to me. I mean I
attract all the rebels and all that anyway, So I
feel like that's a self choice of you know, I don't.
(01:02:10):
I never tell people I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Act all the rebels because I know I'm stubborn.
Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah yeah. Well, when i'm teaching, I'm like, look, guys,
I'm sharing thirty years of experience, but I'm not telling
you you have to do anything a certain way.
Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
And I build into that. And the next new facet
of what I'm going to be bringing is the longevity
of how to be doing work with these deeper relationships
where you aren't using up life force, where you can
really be restored and be regenerating energy. You know a
(01:02:52):
lot of it's some indigenous practices. I work with a
lot of Indigenous people, but it's not all from that band.
You know, there's a lot to again, work that doesn't
feel like work. I always say, ideally, if I'm at
the end of the day feel better than when I
started the day, I know I've been working in a
(01:03:13):
good way.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
So there's a few things that I recommend for those
that are connecting and just really resonating if this feels
something sparked inside, Definitely recommend David's book The Reluctant Healer
and also Healing, which are going to be linked, and
visit David Spotify. Do some breath work, do some breath work,
(01:03:39):
do some meditation, see how this feels in your body,
Notice how this feels in your body, and then from there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Of course, David is.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Linked below this episode, so you can connect with his
website where he does sessions and group trainings and really
really really incredible, deep, powerful program for those who are ready. So, yeah,
there is no more important time than now.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
If you feel the call and if you feel the
pull David.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
At the end of every episode, I like to offer
for the guests that they can provide one practice that
everyone that listened can utilize to integrate what they heard
in this episode.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
So sometimes that is a.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Breath or a journal inquiry or a little you know,
amalgamation of something someone does.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
But we call this soul work.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
And if you'd have a piece you'd like to share
that everyone can sink their teeth into.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Gosh made bite my lip on that. Well. The first
thought was when you mentioned the Spotify meditations that people
can access, and there's one that's about gratitude, and to me,
you know, it's in a recording that called Shortcuts to Healing,
(01:05:02):
and the first one is creative expression. The second one
is gratitude. So if all else fails and you know,
whatever you're trying isn't working, like right now in this moment,
you know, if you feel yourself in a spiral or
you're getting anxious, if you just go to gratitude, and
then if you want to amp it up a little more,
(01:05:25):
I just say say, you know, gratitude out loud. I
love my love the pool, love these trees, the way
they're just framing the property, or you know, on and
on but saying and then if you even want to
amp it up more, you even raise your voice a
little louder so that the universe can hear. And there's
(01:05:45):
something about, you know, as cliche as it can seem,
about a gratitude practice, it works, you know, and to
change yourself in the moment again. To me, gratitude is
a path to our spirit. So that would be my
little nugget.
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Thank you, David, Thank you so much for coming on
this show.
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Finally, you're's making.
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So grateful to have you here, so grateful for your
work and so grateful for everything.
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That you imparted.
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Great, Thank you. I really enjoyed it.
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And glad to have you all here with me today.
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This month, we have been diving into the topic of
looking within and discovering new rituals and practices that can
help us feel more grounded and connected, both within ourselves
and the world around us. This is always important work,
but more than ever at this time of being alive,
with all of the things happening around us, all of
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the ways our consciousness is being stretched and has been
really stretched and transformed, especially over the last five years.
Doing this kind of work this month is an opportunity
to go deeper into the ways that you can show
up for yourself so that all the ways that you
can bring light on the planet are supported and nourished,
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and you can have vibrant mental, spiritual, emotional, and ideally.
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Physical health as well.
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So we've been diving into all of that, and that
is why I am beyond.
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Excited for today's episode.
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I could not think of a better being to get
into the fibers of this conversation than the person I
have here today.
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One of the.
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Most incredible healers I have ever had a chance to
cross path with, and one of my favorite favorite teachers
and dear friends, David Elliott, is joining us today. Our
guest today was born and raised on a farm in Kentucky.
David graduated from the University of Kentucky with an MBA degree.
He then ventured to Los Angeles and began acting in films,
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television shows, and commercials throughout the nineteen eighties. After meeting
with a mystic healer, Tim Heath, Elliott connected the dots
of many chances with strangers, people claiming that they had
been sent to him for healing by their guru in
India or their psychic in New York. With the help
of Tim, David learned to recognize his unique ability to feel, move,
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and shift stuck energy. The healing work soon became his
passion and the reluctant phase of his life dissipated. By
nineteen ninety seven, his acting career had successfully transitioned into
a full time career working as a healing artist. As
David recalls, the universe obviously had a plan for me,
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so I decided to get out of the way and
do the healing work. David has had a successful healing
practice for the past twenty five years, as well as
an active practice in many US cities and Europe. He
has trained healers from around the world and the demand
for his teaching and healing work is growing. In recent years,
David has begun teaching teachers so he can have more
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support and get.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Into a much needed vacation.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The Creative Healing Arts Center is his vision for the
future and his way of giving back to the Mother
Earth and all of the beneficial energies that have been
supporting him in his healing journey. Creative expression is a
shortcut David is used and helping people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Heal, and it will play a big role.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
In this center, as artists will be giving opportunities to
help tell their story about how we have to take
care of Mother Earth literally as our most important family member.
We are so so honored to have him on the
show to share his insights and guide us towards self
love and healing.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
David, welcome.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm happy to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Did that feel so cringey hearing your whole life read
to you?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's not too bad, Yeah, yeah ah. I am so
excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I also have two of your books here that I'm
obsessed with, and we're going to link to these in bio.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I've read and loved them both.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
The first was Reluctant Healer by You, which is an
incredible book about your life and also like fundamental beginning
to be in a healer and all the practices and
all the ways that you'll need to support yourself and
create your spaces. And then his second book, Healing, is
an incredible read as well. So I love these and
these will be linked in bio. This episode is absolutely
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for everyone, but especially I think if you identify as
someone who has come onto the planet to help it,
if you're somebody who lives in service and has a
desire to one help yourself, but you're helping yourself to
help others, to help the planet.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And I'm really excited for this episode, David.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Because this last month we spent four episodes exploring integrity
and all the different facets that integrity can be in
our lives and our spirit and the world and the
work that we do. And I thought it was so
important to ground this season in that because it's so fundamental,
but it's something I don't here spoken to or taught.
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And in this day and age, if you don't have
a direct teacher or someone that you can spend slow
time with becoming yourself and learning, it's not necessarily going
to be imparted on you. Like lately, everything is about
core structures and I'm a tenx this and making this
much and I teach people how to teach people, how
to teach people, how to teach people how to take money,
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you know. And this month what we're exploring is supportive
tools and practices and processes to really build and fortify
the endurance to heal yourself and to be a light
in the rest of the world. And so I'll start
with how we first got connected.
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Oh I do remember, I think forget which one if
one of the will.
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Is Oh, my god, Scout, Scout, Scout.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, my beloved Scout, My beloved Scout willis Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
One of my dear friends. She and I had a
few years back, had been studying together in the same
in a similar in the same program, and I remember she,
you know, we were talking about so much of our
stuff and we're working through so many things, and I
remember she told me about you, and she was.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Just like, go.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It was so mystical the way she said it, right
like it was just very much like you must.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Go, you know, And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And so I remember I went to visit you and
I did a healing session with you. And as you know,
we don't have to get into this. I got a
certain kind of brain. I'm like, I'm a certain kind
of person. I can be a little intense, I have
a lot of questions, I have a lot to say.
And remember I spent a few hours with you, and
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I'll never forget how it felt doing that first session
with you. And obviously now I've had the chance to
experience your work many many, many, many many times gratefully.
But this first session, it felt like I was able
to integrate every single thing that I had been excruciatingly
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working on within myself. And when I came to you,
I realized that I was ready for the next stage
of my journey in my life because it all went
and assimilate it within me. And I remember we were
doing breath work and we were in the healing session,
and I had this like literal feeling of being into
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masculine and feminine and it was kind of like blue
and pink, and having this experience of it uniting and
harmon and becoming like two halves into a hole. And
I had this feeling of energy literally like rushing into
the soles of my feet and freeing me in a
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different way than I had ever felt before. And as
someone who is a healer and is trained in the
modalities of healing, I do there really is nothing more
sacred than having the power of someone else's healing kind
of cover you and kind of being in awe that
you know. And I remember just feeling being there and
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not only feeling reverence for the way that it allowed
me to feel within myself as my being in this
lifetime and the things that I've been through in this life,
but just also how incredible and powerful it is to
be in awe of someone that has achieved so much
in the work God called them to do.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well. I don't know if I'd go that far, but
I mean the way I look at it, and I
remember our first couple of sessions talking about some of
the ways you had been working in me trying to
impart and why I love breath work is that I
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don't feel like I'm doing anything. I'm holding the space
and really kind of letting a person's spirit hold the
agenda for the healing that they're ready for, which I
feel like so many things. Well, I think the luxury
and how I look at a lot of how I
tend to work is that people have done so much work,
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whether it's therapy, healing work, all these things, and that
I get lucky sometimes and helping thread the need or
connect those things up. But when you mentioned about the
pink and the blue, or the masculine and the feminine,
that's deep work that I've doing on my own for
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a long time, and even working with the native pipe,
it's that's the sacred energy, is the masculine in the
bowl and the stem is the feminine in the bowl,
and the stem is the masculine. And when you bring
the two together, you know, it really helps that that
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energy in your heart and really that sacred marriage or union,
which to me it's not always one hundred percent, but
if we get that pretty balance, and of course I
write about self love a lot, then it I believe
it frees us up in so many of our external
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relationships because if we're loving ourself, we're not needing something
to help complete us.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
So yeah, yeah, that is the work.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of course, that was a line Jerry Maguire, you know,
you complete me, which to me was a great theatrical
whatever line in the movie. But it's not a practical scenario.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, film and TV really jacked us.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Up pretty pretty much.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, it really who lives like that?
And also, yeah, it's just all right, we don't even
have to Someone needs to make a Netflix documentary about that,
especially the nineties. But it was incredible. And you know,
I've shared about you on this show before because we
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were both up at the Loved of Mega Institute at
the same time last season, and I actually posted about
this recently on Instagram. So much left Romega. I was
up there with the women who Heal Retreat.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And I want to I just kind of want to
set the stage the visualization of this.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
So David is a bock star on O'll make us
campus right, So the campus like me and myself and
Quinapua were at Omega leading the women who He'll Retreat
And it was an incredible week that we were there,
and we had I think we had about seventy five
women with us that week. So we were kind of
moving through the campus. You know, it's a beautiful place
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and it was so special. And then everyone was like whispering.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Like David Elliot is going to do a breathwork.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Done.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My David Elliott is doing breathwork. They're like, I wonder
if you can get in that class.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I wonder And then I saw you. We sat down
and we had a meal together, and You're like, invite
all your women. So we show up. We're in the forest.
It is the night, and we show up to this huge,
beautiful sanctuary and David had his huge group of students
and then there was this huge group of veterans from
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all over the country that were learning different practices and
mindfulness and then I had my group of a amazing
seventy five women, most of whom I would say ninety
nine percent of whom had never done breathwork of any
kind before. And we all come in there and like
I'm in my jammy as I actually had just washed
my hair, I had it all tied up, and we
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are all in this huge sanctuary and we're laying on
the floor and David leads us through an hour of
breath work. And to this day I get constant messages
about how much that changed the lives of the women
who had come with me, and how important that was
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for them, how much space it created in them. So
they've been sharing updates of how life is felt since then.
But if you've never sat in a breathwork session, and
when I say breathwork session, I don't just mean kind
of like some of the more yogic breaths that I
lead on this show or in meditation. Sometimes this is
very kind of active, participatory, holotropic breathing, and it can
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it can very much feel if you've done this before,
like a psychedelic experience. It completely gets you inside of yourself,
but it takes you out of any desire or connection
to being able to control and you're on a journey,
and in sessions like this, you'll hear things like hysterical laughing,
You'll hear wailing and weeping and crying.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You'll hear sometimes.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Words, you'll hear joy, you'll hear bliss. But it's a
feeling that deeply changes you. And yeah, that was That
was one of the very special experiences that we had together.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It was and I was a little apprehensive, not knowing,
but obviously the veterans who were there were Vietnam vets,
vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. So I was like, well,
you know, their bodies. And I talked to Annie about it.
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You know, the trauma that they held, you know, was
profound in a lot of cases. And I was like,
you know, you guys, you can have your group together
kind of in the corner by the door that way,
if anybody needs to leave the room at any point,
go in and out, they can. But little did I know.
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As I got in there and set up, this line
of guys came and set three feet right in front
of me, about fifteen of them, and I started to
realize they were wearing fatigues and that oh the veterans
have come to the front row, and I was like,
are you guys supposed to be with Annie back in
the corner, and they're like, no, no, she told us
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to come to the front row. So I didn't. I mean,
I'm not afraid of it, but I didn't know how deep.
And within a few minutes of breathing, not only did
there well, So for me, the reason why use the
breath is to help people stop thinking, to get out
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of their mind in a way at the oxygen does that,
and really my whole intention is that we open the hearts.
And I saw it happening kind of almost like this
trickle effect with these guys, and then their bodies started shaking,
which I knew they were, you know, that's in conjunction
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with the sounds and the rest of the room, but
I knew they were going really deep. And yeah, I
saw some of those guys the next two days who
would come up and tell me what all happened to them,
which was really deep. And some of them had done
some types of breath work before too, so they were
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ready to dive on in there deeper, so it was
good deeply.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, how did you first discover the breath. And how
did you know that that would be your superpower?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, remember that first books called The Reluctant Healer. So
I had and as you read in the bio had well,
I grew up in Kentucky. I had a great uncle
there after I finished college who had raised his had
moved to Los Angeles and raised his children out here
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or in the Fountain Valley, and anyway, they were all artists,
actors and musicians, and so he had moved back to
Kentucky after he had been there a little while. He
got me and said, I'm taking you out west. He said,
I'm taking you out west, young man. We have to
get you out of Kentucky. I was like, okay, I'll go.
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And I didn't realize it was he was really intentionally
getting me out of Kentucky. I didn't. I actually for
a little while, took a job with a company and
moved to Florida. But his grandkids planted the seeds and
they just they said, well, why why do you need
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to get a job, Just stay here and be an
actor and what are you talking about? And so little
did I know the universe had this plan. I got
to Florida and started meeting photographers and agents and started
doing commercials. Ended up back in LA about three years later,
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and then simultaneously, I mean, I was getting some work,
you know, in Florida and commercials, but I knew I
wanted to do more theatrical work, and I really studied.
Like I mean, it took me a while to understand, Oh,
you can actually emote and you can feel things. I
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mean to me, the whole acting process was very spiritual
because I didn't I mean, I was emotional growing up,
but I didn't know that you could actually work with
your emotions. And so, you know, I'm thinking, I'm in
LA and this is my life. I'm going to be
an actor. And then literally people started grabbing me, like
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sometimes frantically, telling me I was this healer, and they'd
pull things out of their pocket or their purse. Like
one lady had a cassette tape she had had a
reading from some psychic in New York City, and she goes,
I'm supposed to I was supposed to meet you today,
and here you are. And a woman and her daughter
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grabbed me on an airplane once and pulled me down
in the seat. They pulled out you know, like a
card and said this guru in India had told them.
I mean, you know, stuff that's pretty bizarre, but it happened,
you know, twenty five thirty times. Of course, my ego
was always hoping they'd seen me in acting something other,
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but it was always this thing about a healer. And
finally I said, okay, God, you need to send me
some answers. And then my phone rang and one of
my best friends in Florida told me that I needed
to meet this guy Tim Heath, who was a healer
in Sedona, but he's coming to LA and I said,
I must need to meet him. I don't even know
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what a healer is. Anyway, he was coming to LA.
A couple days later I met him. I remember as
soon as I walked in to meet him, he goes, hello, brother,
we meet again. And I go what and he goes, oh, yeah,
I've known you many lifetimes. You're a healer. And I go,
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what do you I don't what is it? What are
you talking about? And he goes, you taught me a
meditation in India. I'm going to show it to you
today and you probably don't remember it. You taught me
this two thousand some odd years ago. I mean by
that point, I was rolling my eyes and just kind
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of laughing because I was like, man, these people are
nuts out here.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And he goes, he goes, you're you know you're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Be doing this work. You've been You've done it many lifetimes,
and I've been with you several of those lifetimes, which
I couldn't wrap my head around that. Anyway, he led
me through a breathing session. I mean, the funniest thing.
I don't remember if I've told this in any interviews before,
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but when I went into the room, yeah, anyways, let
me lay down on a bit, got me started breathing
the whole time. I mean, I felt like I was
in this ceremony and anyway, it was really profound. A
lot went on my body. Yeah, I was. It was
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more than psychedelics.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And anyway, don't you skim through these details. I want
it all well.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So it was like the whole time I saw myself
on this mountain, there was smoke and wind, and you know,
it was this whole thing I was with these elders.
You know, I was fully in it. And the biggest
thing was is when I was five and a half,
my family we had lost a baby boy who was
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a year and a half old. And you know, I
had always carried that my parents were really young, and
I think I this was probably part of my curve
but gift in that I was able to carry a
lot of the grief for the family, and I always
knew it was there. When I was doing the breathing,
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I felt it and saw it leaving me like a
spinning tornado. I mean, it was really crazy. I even
had some images of my baby brother. And so a
couple of weeks after that session, well, when I finished it,
Tim and said, well, I'm going to be doing this
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workshop in Sedona whatever a month later. You're welcome to come.
And I was like, oh, let me think about it.
I don't know. Maybe a week later there was a
guy in the room with him who was supporting him,
and the person called me excuse me, and he goes, well,
how did a session? How was it? And I said, yeah,
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it was great. What was that that ceremony he was
doing There was like wind blowing and smoke, and I mean,
it was like the craziest thing. And he started this
belly laugh and he goes, well, I hate to tell you,
but did you notice when you came into the room.
There was an ironing board and Tim was ironing his
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shirts when you were breathing, and so he was using
like spray starch, and it was like this sh and
he was fluffing shirts and it was probably close enough
I was feeling this. They probably did burn a little
sage or something, but anyway, it was this whole crazy ceremony.
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But in reality, I mean, he was playing some music
but broning his shirts, and I was hearing those sounds,
you know, and feeling this wind. So it allowed me
to think of some things to add into the healing
work that I do, if it's a spray or if
it is certain things I'm working with. And it also
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taught me when we get, you know, out of the
logical place in our brain and we really start to
open up. I mean, he he goes, he showed me
the breath. He goes, you'll be breathing. He called it
a two stage breath. He goes, You'll be breathing like this,
you know. So I just did exactly what he showed me,
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full breaths, and within a few minutes, I felt like
I was I kept touching down. I felt like I
was levitating. It was like lightning bolts were shooting through me.
I can't say. I actually had quite a lot of
connections to past life memories, but I don't remember India,
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although I've had a lot over the years. A lot
of psychics have come to me for me to help them,
and I've had numerous ones say, you know, you had
some significant lifetimes in India, and this one lady I
would be like, oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, and this
one lady goes, no, you should be really clear if
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you ever go to India, because you might not come back.
And I go, is that because it's so good or because.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's so bad.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I don't know if I want to go to India,
so needless to say, I haven't been back yet or
I haven't been there. But it pretty quickly, it you know,
grabbed my attention and there was no you know, shaking
the experience. And that's what I've learned. I think the
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thing people are most hungry for is not some logical
understanding about a spiritual process. It's the experience of the
spiritual process. And so, you know, I couldn't get it
out of my mind. I went to Sedona. I said okay,
I'm coming. You know. There was like six or seven
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people there and they were giving me the royal treatment.
Every time something would go on, Tim would have me,
you know, breathe, and they would all support me. I
found out, you know, a little while after, I was
the only paying person at the retreat, so I was
basically paying for the other people to be there. There
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were people friends and people he picked up along the road.
He would travel around a lot. He always said he
was a clairvoyant, mystic healer, but that his gifts were
a lot different than mine. In that first meeting, he said,
you know you're Claire audience, and I go, what's that?
He goes, well, it's a gift of hearing. And I
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said okay, and he goes, well, it's not it's very uncommon.
How yours is? He goes, it's way more refined than mine.
He said, you hear the answer to people's questions before
they asked the question, are you here into their soul
with their spirit? Which it took me a while to
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understand it. Even though I knew when he said that
that it was true, I just didn't know what it was,
you know, my whole life. But it had really exploded
when I moved to La. You know, it had increased
a lot, mainly at that moment I was dating this
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girl and the relationship was kind of as apparent that
it needed to end. And I am probably in that
opening with my heart and the pain in there, Like
I would experience her dreams at night, I would hear
her thoughts, you know, and so you know, that was
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like it kind of just blasted open, and it you know,
and once it blasted open, it's pretty much you know,
stayed that way. So but I was reluctant the first
several years I didn't start working. I mean, I met
Tim I think it was nineteen eighty nine, so you know,
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but he would come to La once a month and
there would be all these people who had been thinking
that I was supposed to help him, and I would
just say, you got the wrong person, but I know
who you're looking for. And I would point him to
him and then he would do this thing, you know,
be at my house. People would come over and then
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he would have my man. I would introduce him to
them and he would say, why don't you get him
started breathing. I'm gonna I got to do a quick
phone call, be right back. Well, he never would come back,
and he's like, I'm not he said, I'm not your teacher,
I'm the messenger. And then he very quickly would ask
(31:54):
me to do a healing session on him every time
he was around me. And so he had had some
traumatic stuff happened to him as a boy. So but
I didn't know. I was like, what is going on?
What does he want me to work on him? And I,
you know, wasn't not only wasn't trusting it, but I
didn't want to do it, you know, in the beginning.
(32:18):
The eventually I realized, okay, they're just they're coming, you know.
And he taught me into seeing you know, a few
people a week. He's like, just see a few people.
You won't have to if you're not working as an
actor in that time period, you know, you can you know,
pay your bills. And then yeah, he died a couple
(32:40):
of years after i'd met him, and and then this
herd of people kind of turned back. And so when
I finally said okay, I'll see people regularly, it turned
into forty people a week. And so that was you know,
long gosh, twenty six seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Now, yeah, Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Wow, it's so interesting, you know, just like connecting to
that story. And I know so so many people listening
might be in their reluctant phase right now too, so
they may, you know, have, yeah, be at the beginning
stages of exploring, like how do I work with this
(33:26):
thing about me that I've always kind of sensed but
not really known what to do with. And I had
no one to talk about right it too, you know,
David you it's it's interesting. How do I want to
phrase this because I'm trying to keep it so anonymous,
But your healing work has positively impacted and affected some
(33:53):
people that really like permeate the pillars of society, right
like you. You you work with a lot of anybody,
You work with all kinds of people, but a lot
of people that do find you are people that are
in mastery of what they are here to do and
there are some things to maybe get out of the way.
(34:14):
So I personally know that your healing spiritual work has
had effects on multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It's had effects on the Oscars.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
There have been some Oscar winners, there have been some
global best selling books. There have been a lot of
huge creative projects that have touched the heart's, minds and
souls of millions upon millions of millions of people that
(34:46):
were able to happen because they were also supported by
some of the deeper work that you were doing with
those chosen to impact with that kind of You know,
I'm so curious, You've seen so much, so many different kinds.
What are some common blocks or beliefs that prevent people
(35:09):
from accessing that depth of self love or being able
to really kind of be in participation in co creation
with what they're here to do.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, you mentioned also in the bio about the Creative
Healing Art Center. So you know, I've always so I've
loved sports, i love art, I love creative expression, and
I find that I can say to the universe, hey,
I like to work with some of these people or
(35:40):
these people, because for me, I always feel like I'm
learning I have intuition. But then I can like look
at some things like the most creative people believe it
or not, which you probably would understand it usually have
(36:01):
had some of the most traumatic lives and fortunately for them,
maybe they learn how to, you know, use their creativity
even just to stay alive. And oftentimes when I'm dealing
with people whether they're a writer or an actor or
(36:24):
movie maker or musician, and they're not working, you know,
close to whatever, doing something destructive. I would usually just say, well,
what else are you been putting off? Any creative projects?
And if we get them back, just go on and
(36:45):
finish that. Do that. They'll be like, well, but if
we can get them back creating, the problems go away.
Because I always say, if you have a lot of talent,
if you don't use it, it's going to use you.
(37:05):
But if if and I noticed that, I mean I
not learned that in college with you know, the one
weekend the football team had the weekend off, they'd be
throwing the furniture out of the dorm room windows because
they weren't playing the game that week and using it up.
(37:25):
And so they see it, you know, kind of across
the board. You know. We'll always say with with trauma abuse,
you know, if you I mean, it's a little tricky,
I'll try to word it the right way. But if
you stay in a place of you know, being victimized
(37:46):
by it and not you know, like you invest into
life not being fair and the wound, you know, usually
it'll fester and then you probably won't, don't. I mean,
things might not go so well. And you know, conversely,
if a person uses it, helps others, tells their story,
(38:10):
chooses to work through it, and that it even becomes
a gift or something that's allowed them to you know,
apply themselves, then it frees them up and usually is
the recipe of their success because they learned to put
(38:32):
in the work and they didn't let something stop them.
So there's so many ways. I honestly with you know,
La Hollywood all that, I feel like the universe had
a very specific plan that you know, put me here
to think I was supposed to be an actor, but
(38:53):
then when I started writing, I was like, whoa, I
feel more empowered and free. I don't need to wait
for somebody else to approve or whatever. I can actually
the need to express the clare audience, the throat chakra.
(39:14):
Writing took care of that for me. So I haven't
looked back. It's like, you know, I've never regretted not
being an actor or whatever. You know. I was like,
it's kind of a relief in a way. You know.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
So that is so highful about radio too. People always
ask it, do you miss being on TV?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Or being on the radio, and it's like I don't
know how to how to like fully convey how.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Much I don't, right, you know, like like no, actually
not at all?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Right, yes, no, well I think it the refinement is
within the alignment of what we're here to do, and
when we kind of you know, usually you're in the ballpark.
I always a lot of people. If you've been living,
you know, around LA and you have this need on
(40:07):
some level to express to help to do things, then
you're probably gonna in some way bridge into some of
those abilities, like when I do meditation recordings. Fortunately, you know,
the people that end up recording or you know, they're
(40:29):
like way qualified beyond what I really probably need. But
then they want to help, and so I'm like, okay,
this will Yeah, I've got some I've got some ideas,
and so you know, again the beauty is, I mean,
plenty of spiritual teachers would want to be connected to
(40:51):
Hollywood for that expansion, But when you're still like, I mean,
I just will say for me, I like prefer to
kind of under the radar a bit.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's what I love about your archetype so much.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I feel like I've had some of the just the
greatest people to learn from, you know, like between you
and I would also say Deepak and watching the way
you move with your gifts and your reach and you
know what, you're here to do it. That's always how
I felt. That's always how I knew I was meant
to move. I just didn't see it anywhere, and it
(41:30):
gave me such permission because I think especially now, and
only touch on this for a second, but I think
it's relevant because we're in such an age that is
about quote unquote visibility. Look at me, look at me,
look at me, or you know, just kind of receive
this even before it becomes something, and it's just that,
(41:51):
you know. And for some people that's beautiful and they
are that archetype. And for others there are other paths,
you know, there are really other ways. Yeah, to even
work with one's own charisma and.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Magnetism, Yeah, for sure, you know. I mean, oh gosh,
I have Well, when September eleventh happened, it was it
was a few days after I had taken a group
of people to Sedona. So after I met Tim there,
I would for many many years do a retreat or
(42:26):
too there, usually every labor day in two thousand and one.
Labor Day was whatever, the end of August. So we
were there and I would like, usually do this little
ceremony in a cave, and people said, you have to
teach us this, and I go.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Casual ceremony in a cave, casual mention, yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And I said, okay, I will, And I was like,
you know, because they had been asking for a long time,
and you know, and then September eleven, event's happened, and
literally the day after it, I don't know, three thirty
in the morning, I get woke up. And when something's
(43:09):
really important, I audibly hear a voice. You know. I
tell people that also have gifts of hearing. You don't
want to tell everybody for sure, you know, if it's
around psych you know, psychiatry, or probably don't want to
tell people it sometimes that you hear a voice. But
(43:30):
when it's really important, you know, like that morning, I
audibly heard a voice. Get in the car, go to
the ocean, get in the water and wash away the fear.
So I go get in the car. I was living
in Eagle Rock. I start heading to Santa Monica and
it's a no no North sent me up almost to
(43:51):
Santa Barbara, ironically kind of in the same area where
I live now, and I parked, went down to the beach,
walked down. It kept pushing me farther down the coastline
and it said here. I got in the water when
I went out and went all the way under. When
(44:14):
I raised up, I heard, it's time to start writing
the book. I've been told my whole life as a writer.
But I didn't wasn't ready, and so I kind of hesitated,
and I heard, if you don't start writing the book today,
we're taking it all away, your gift, your clients, your family.
(44:35):
I don't. I mean other times people have said is
the universe, I mean our God? Or is It was like, no,
it doesn't work that way for you. For me that day,
it was that imperative and I got I, you know,
heard it. And then when I stepped out on the
beach from coming out of the water is where I
(44:58):
first saw these oce and stones that I sometimes pick
up and give the people, And it said, pick these
up and give give them the people. Yeah, there's no
help them balance and heal. So yeah, I still get
sent back like once a year to pick up a
backpack or two of ocean stones and still give them
(45:20):
to people on their first session so when they come
to see me. So you know, sometimes I mean I
can think back on it, you know, and you can
kind of some of the stories can seem a little outlandish.
But I don't question when I'm really receiving a strong
(45:44):
message anymore. I don't say I always do it, but
if it's really strong and it comes around a second time,
I know I better start making some movement towards it.
Otherwise the third time it's going to be painful, you know.
Like the third time it like that be a limb
hits me in the face right when I hear it
(46:05):
or feel it, or you know, I might slip up
a step and hurt my ankle or something. So I've
learned when it's for me. I'm not saying it's that
way for everybody, but for me, and something you mentioned
it a minute ago. I believe the people who are
here now and choosing to be in a role of
(46:28):
helping others its destiny. I don't think it's a mystery,
you know. I believe that we're in a place some
mother Earth at this time that's of a lot of importance.
Maybe not that different than a lot of other times,
you know. But my musician friends, I'm like, you should
(46:48):
finish that album now. It needs to be out. For
writers who were working on.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Their books stayed on me.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
It's like, you've got to get the book done, you know,
because it's it's yeah calling card or it's that thing
that helps you know, lead people.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, that helped me so much because it ooh, even
thinking about it right now, I want to cry.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I think, like I just I ran from finishing this
book that will be available for precell in January and
purchase in April. It's called living in Wisdom or to
say on that. But you know, I ran from running
it from writing it for quite a while. And every
time I would come to see you, which is like
usually a few times a year, yeah, like I feel
(47:38):
like I get in hopefully when all is good and
you're not booked and busy, like once a quarter and that.
And every time I come, I would be like, so
the book and they said finish it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Within a couple of minutes, I would be asking, how's
the book coming? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, but it yeah, well it definitely kept honest, it
kept me clear, and you know, I think sometimes and
I don't know how much just resonates with anyone listening.
But when you do have gifts and you do have creativity,
and you do know you're here for something, but there's also,
you know, the divine timing because I think something for myself,
I feel I've had visions about a lot of things
(48:17):
I'm supposed to do for more than thirty years, right,
or I have sometimes I can get deep senses of
something that's being birth, but and I'm like, is this mine?
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Or is it the person next to me? Or is
it the person I know?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
And so I loved how you said, like when you're
feeling a sense, sometimes it's not always okay, so you
have to rush You got to get out of bed
and rush out and do it all like this, But
it's like start making steps towards, start taking time to
let yourself think more about it or let it lead you,
or creating little piles of something towards something something you
(48:52):
had shared with me. You were like, just start making
piles around your office of like make on the floor
a pile for each chapter and just start placing things
in each thing and then come back to it and
wrap yourself your mind around how you might get this
on paper or because I think that's the thing, and
(49:14):
that's it's all in us anyway, right It Like a
lot of times our work is how do you clear
enough space to get it out or how do you
create the systems that are necessary for you to get
it out of you?
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Right? Well, and for most you know, sometimes the bigger
the risk, the bigger the resistance to trust and to
start it or and or birth it, you know. So,
I mean, inevitably, I work with a lot of writers
and had, you know, like for a while, three writers
(49:51):
groups in the evenings for years. You know, I believe that,
you know, again, creative expression and sharing our stories are
the best form of therapy that we can do for ourselves. Yeah,
you it causes us, cause you to get clearer on
(50:11):
what you're communicating.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You know, David, I'm going to just put this out there, Okay.
This is like a really important time to be alive. Yep,
It's a really important time to be here. It's also
really challenging, and I guess it's never not been, but
(50:34):
for the context of the amount of years that I've
been alive, it's an incredibly dense, challenging time and I'm
just you know, you have seen so much, you feel
so much, you have helped so much, You influence so
much for people listening that may not that no inside
(50:59):
their healer, or they have a work to be birthed,
or like myself, I had no desire for any kind
of a fame or attention. But I always knew I'd
have a fascinating life. Dare I say remarkable to me
kind of a life?
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
And so I didn't know what that meant or where
it would fit. But I know so many people feel
that way. And then that can also feel like and
what paralyzing?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
What do I do with this?
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well?
Speaker 1 (51:28):
What's my purpose? How do I.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
People that feel the call without any other stuff around it?
What should people be doing or thinking right now? Or
how can they begin to prepare themselves to step up
for their destiny?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Well, I always think again that we're probably in the ballpark.
There's you know, it's like when people start asking me
how can I connect to past lives? I go, well,
usually it's you know, get history and times where you're
where you found interesting or you're captivated by it. Start there,
(52:09):
and so you know, when it comes to healing work
and look at where you know, look at where you're
led and what you lean into and what really feels right,
and probably you know it might need to scare you
a little bit or make you uncomfortable. I don't think
(52:29):
it's always the most comfortable thing, because to me, spiritual
growth and evolution is going to push us, you know,
it's going to push us to ideally learn how to
trust and with creative people and intuitive people and incredibly
(52:50):
psychic people. It's not do you have gifts that It's
not do you have a lot of intuition, it's to
what degree you're willing to trust, you know, because there's
a lot of God help them, No, not even in
a negative way. But maybe some of the most intuitive
people are homeless and live on the street and they're
(53:12):
constantly receiving. But the filtering or understanding it may not,
you know, always be there, but there can be really
open vessels. So what I like work at helping people
understand is you can develop your intuition. You can develop
(53:34):
that exchange with it to so that you can trust
it and trusting it. It's not in the head, it's
those goosebumps, it's the mini you know. For me, the
relationship with nature or mother Nature, and the way she
communicates to me constantly keeps me where I don't need
(53:57):
to think or I don't need to go into the
ego or mind that it's you know that my body
will tell me so much. My connection to hummingbirds, to hawks,
to butterflies, to the wind, to if a candle's burning,
how it's talking. You know, everything is a flow of information.
(54:20):
We just have to be present to it, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
And that's what not only keeps it interesting to me,
that's where it all happens in the moment. And you know,
I think one of humans' biggest challenges is as everything
speeding up. You know, so many people are out of
present time. So therefore they suffer from anxiety. They have
(54:53):
a deep feeling of there's not enough time. And so
for me, it's like, well, to work with time, you
have to be able to expand time by really expanding
your awareness and the moment. Then time slows down.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, everything that you're saying is the gospel. Yeah, it's
how it happens. It's how some of the things anyone
listening that resonates may have been feeling that seems so
strange and different even that, because this month we're exploring
rituals and remedies in the power and so, you know,
I love the way that you were speaking to really
(55:32):
sometimes building or experiencing a relationship with everything that's in
front of you, gleaning the information of everything that's in
front of you. Yeah, because there's always support for us,
and there's always messaging, and something you said earlier on
this show, I've shared my way of wording it would
(55:54):
be I had to start listening to the whispers of
God so I didn't have to keep getting punched in
the face by God. I was like, I don't want
to catch God's fade another time. I will listen. It's
a whisper and we will get it done.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Deeply.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Well, it's so powerful, David, and I just really hope that, however,
and whoever needs to hear what's being said, it's really
going where it needs to go, because there is no
better time than now.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah. I mean, you know, we have children, so we're
ideally putting in the work so that maybe you know,
they can not just well I won't say have it easier,
but at least have the opportunity to choose what they
(56:51):
want to do and be able to, you know, hopefully
be having some fun in the process. And that's why
I was saying a minute ago to me. If we
find what we're doing interesting and we're and it's not
costing us, it's not draining us, it's effortless. Number one,
(57:13):
you're not going to age as fast. Number two, you're
the work doesn't feel like work, it, you know, it's
there's nothing that makes human beings happier than helping other
human beings.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
God, that's so real. It We're designed for service. Yeah,
so when you're serving, it actually is effortless. Right. If
you're serving and it feels like martyrdom, there's something else.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
To investigate there. But service does have ease to it.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
It is innately what you're designed to do with the
gifts you're designed to have.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yes, yeah, well, you and I both know probably plenty
of super wealthy people, not I mean almost to a person. Again,
I'm not talking about anybody specific, but the more money
a lot of times people have, the bigger the fear
that they're going to lose it is. Whereas you know,
(58:10):
I love working with artists. Of my whole life, I've
loved working with the artists who might tend to live
hand to mouth, but they're you know, living in a
way where there's a pretty good exchange with you know,
feeling on purpose that they're doing something that they came
(58:31):
here to do. And you know, we all have a
role in this. And not to make it so important
or overly serious, but to me, I do think you know,
with climate, with technology, with politics, which we won't talk about,
but all these things are converging, you know, in a
(58:52):
time where it's all very heightened, you know, and I
think there's going to be good ways that you know,
good things can come out of it. And I think
that it would seem that some challenging aspects are part
of what we're in right now too, you know. So yeah, again,
(59:13):
it's all what we do with it, and hopefully there's
enough you know, intuition and positive efforts being made to
circumvent you know, where things might be going in the
wrong direction, you know.
Speaker 1 (59:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, Healing old patterns and stuck energy is essential for
personal growth. How can we start releasing these patterns even
just the beginning maybe phases of the self work or
something a person can do in conjunction with other things
(59:50):
that they're doing to heal, but maybe some daily rituals,
remedies or practices.
Speaker 3 (59:56):
I mean, you know, again I'm a little biased about
the effectiveness and the ease with breath work because you know,
I think the shortest meditation I have is a seven
minute one, which is like running to the gym and
doing a few push ups and chin ups and running out.
(01:00:17):
But again, discipline, I mean why I love working with
you know, professional athletes is usually they got they have
discipline down better than anybody else just about. And so like,
you know, a ritual, a discipline, something that you commit
to doing that kind of resets you or clears you
(01:00:40):
or get you in a place where you can go
on about being conscious throughout your day. People will oftentimes
say when should I do the meditation. I'm like, well,
because me, you know, I would just say first thing
in the morning is then you're not waiting till later
in the day. But and I don't always say it
has to be breadthwork. Like if a person prays and
(01:01:03):
they feel this alignment with energy and spirit, I'm fine
with whatever people choose to do. You know that it
has some effect on them, you know, Art, I mean
to me, Art there's nothing better than you know, writing
(01:01:24):
or playing some music or dancing or whatever you do
that feels like it clears you, puts you in a
space of alignment and allows you to go on about
what's next in the day. So and you know, for
the nocturnal people who feel like they have to do
things in the evening, I don't. I'm fine with that too.
(01:01:46):
So I just know I'm an early morning person, so
usually I'm doing things first thing, you know. But there's
no I don't make rules to me. I mean I
attract all the rebels and all that anyway, So I
feel like that's a self choice of you know, I don't.
(01:02:10):
I never tell people I.
Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Act all the rebels because I know I'm stubborn.
Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah yeah. Well, when i'm teaching, I'm like, look, guys,
I'm sharing thirty years of experience, but I'm not telling
you you have to do anything a certain way.
Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
And I build into that. And the next new facet
of what I'm going to be bringing is the longevity
of how to be doing work with these deeper relationships
where you aren't using up life force, where you can
really be restored and be regenerating energy. You know a
(01:02:52):
lot of it's some indigenous practices. I work with a
lot of Indigenous people, but it's not all from that band.
You know, there's a lot to again, work that doesn't
feel like work. I always say, ideally, if I'm at
the end of the day feel better than when I
started the day, I know I've been working in a
(01:03:13):
good way.
Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
So there's a few things that I recommend for those
that are connecting and just really resonating if this feels
something sparked inside, Definitely recommend David's book The Reluctant Healer
and also Healing, which are going to be linked, and
visit David Spotify. Do some breath work, do some breath work,
(01:03:39):
do some meditation, see how this feels in your body,
Notice how this feels in your body, and then from there.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Of course, David is.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Linked below this episode, so you can connect with his
website where he does sessions and group trainings and really
really really incredible, deep, powerful program for those who are ready. So, yeah,
there is no more important time than now.
Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
If you feel the call and if you feel the
pull David.
Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
At the end of every episode, I like to offer
for the guests that they can provide one practice that
everyone that listened can utilize to integrate what they heard
in this episode.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
So sometimes that is a.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Breath or a journal inquiry or a little you know,
amalgamation of something someone does.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
But we call this soul work.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
And if you'd have a piece you'd like to share
that everyone can sink their teeth into.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Gosh made bite my lip on that. Well. The first
thought was when you mentioned the Spotify meditations that people
can access, and there's one that's about gratitude, and to me,
you know, it's in a recording that called Shortcuts to Healing,
(01:05:02):
and the first one is creative expression. The second one
is gratitude. So if all else fails and you know,
whatever you're trying isn't working, like right now in this moment,
you know, if you feel yourself in a spiral or
you're getting anxious, if you just go to gratitude, and
then if you want to amp it up a little more,
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I just say say, you know, gratitude out loud. I
love my love the pool, love these trees, the way
they're just framing the property, or you know, on and
on but saying and then if you even want to
amp it up more, you even raise your voice a
little louder so that the universe can hear. And there's
(01:05:45):
something about, you know, as cliche as it can seem,
about a gratitude practice, it works, you know, and to
change yourself in the moment again. To me, gratitude is
a path to our spirit. So that would be my
little nugget.
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Thank you, David, Thank you so much for coming on
this show.
Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Finally, you're's making.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So grateful to have you here, so grateful for your
work and so grateful for everything.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
That you imparted.
Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Great, Thank you. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
We will be back next week. Do your soul work.
Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
It takes some nicety breaths and really open up. How
does God want to use you right now? Thank you
for listening.
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Now must stay.
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