May 9, 2025 • 33 mins
In this expansive episode of Deeply Well, host Devi Brown takes a moment to reflect on her journey of divine timing and the ever-unfolding path of personal healing. Fresh off the release of her new book, Living in Wisdom, Devi shares what it feels like to birth a project so close to her heart, the profound lessons that came with it, and the support and responses she has received thus far.
She opens up about the physical and emotional healing she’s experienced since her recent surgery, a reminder that even in our most challenging moments, a quiet strength emerges when we lean into faith and trust the divine unfolding of our lives. Devi speaks to the importance of embracing the unexpected — finding beauty in the moments we didn’t plan for and learning to let go of the need for control.
This conversation also honors the sacredness of community, the souls we meet along the way who remind us that we’re never alone in our growth. Devi reflects on the energy exchange that happens during her book tour, the joy of connecting with readers, and the collective healing that comes when we share our stories out loud.
With her signature blend of grace and vulnerability, Devi invites listeners to slow down, honor their personal rhythms, and trust the timing of their own lives. This episode is a reminder that growth isn’t always linear, but it’s always sacred.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:58):
Take a deep in through your nose. Holds it now,
release slowly again, deep in haale hold release, repeating internally
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to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am
deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply Wow.
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I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.
Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on
your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,
and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.
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This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.
I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I'm excited for
this episode because I have some things I have been
thinking about as it relates to surrender and as it
relates to divine timing and the beautiful synchronicities of God
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and the universe. So yeah, just all the big questions
of life. That's what we're going to explore in this episode.
Big themes, big themes. I have no idea and no
concept of time. Right now. I have to say my
book came out, Living in Wisdom. It is here. It
came out exactly about two weeks and a couple days ago,
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so it is a brand new baby out in the world.
And I just want to say thank you so much
to everyone who has reached out, that is reading the book,
that has got the book, that has tagged me in
your screenshots, that has you know, let me know what
parts of the book. I've been getting a lot of
messages from people letting me know what chapter they're on
when they're on it, so like, Okay, I'm at chapter
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three at this point, or I'm on page sixty seven,
or I'm you know, I'm I'm two chapters away from finishing.
So it's been really special because I think when you
first drop a book, you know definitely. I think the
flow of it is the focus on like first week
sales and you're out, you're talking about it, but no
one's actually really read it yet people are buying it.
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And something that's been just really meaningful as an author
and thrilling as an author is getting the response for
how people are reacting to reading it. And it's been
really special and it's been interesting. I know when I
first when I first like turned in the manuscript and
I was just talking to a couple friends about the book,
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and I kept everything pretty close to the chest, like
I'm really good at that. I'm a very patient person
with like the unfolding of things. I don't have to
share everything right away. But I was talking to some
friends about the book and they're just like, oh, you know,
this is going to be so great, and you know,
they were kind of holding the book in this very
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like feel good kind of way, which it is a
very feel good book, I think when you really get
on the other side of some things. But I remember
what I shared with them, as I said, you know,
I think people's path to this book is going to
be a little bit different, because actually, I'm sure the
book is going to be quite confronting when you first
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start reading it. It's even confronting for me when I reread.
It's provoking on purpose, you know, it's yeah, it's and
maybe provoking isn't the word. It's confronting on purpose. My
deepest desire with this book was to hopefully bring anyone
that reads it to a deeper layer, to a place
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they haven't gone before, place they haven't spent maybe significant
time before. So it's just been really special. So far.
I've done a lot. I have been on the road, baby,
which is so also funny for me based on my personality.
It's like I spent many years out five six nights
a week because of what I used to do in
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the industry I was in, and you know, just used
to travel a ton and be here, be there and
since the pandemic, I have just fallen in love with
my natural, simple, ordinary, slow movements in the day. So
I'm a homebody. I can get out there, I can
work a room with the best of them. I can
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you know, yeah, take up space. But my preference in
this season of life is to like be with my
garden and be with my child and think and ponder
and just really spend a lot of time with my
closest relationships and go deeper there and have cookouts with
each other and regular hangs at each other's houses and
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you know, things like that. And so because of that,
I have traveled quite a bit for work, but I'm
always like bam bam, and life has been like really
regimented the past few years in that way. And so
it's been really cool to kind of turn on those
social muscles that I haven't really used in a while,
to be out in the world talking about something that
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I love and that I worked really hard on and
that I'm excited about. So yeah, it's been interesting. I've
been turning on my social battery, which also is a
sensitive person you got to build in like a lot
of recovery time. So it's been it's been cool understanding
that component of my life right now, right like how
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to bring more harmony to a life that is usually
intentionally very reclusive, and then being out there and you know,
feeling all the energy and moving through the city and
moving through groups and you know, just having a lot
of experiences in one day. That was my life for
most of my life, of course, so it's nothing new.
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But when you take a step back to do deep healing,
when you take a step back to work on you know,
what we're calling soft life or cultivating a slowness, it
does feel a little jarring when you have to keep
one foot in the other world too. It takes a
little bit of practice and it takes a little bit
of harmonizing. So I'm having fun doing that right now
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because I am loving both. I'm loving being in the
world again. I'm loving having big conversations again and using
all my skills and you know, using things that were
kind of dormant the last few years because my work
was focused on different things. So it's just been really
fun activating those kind of highly trained muscles again and
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using them. And I'm having a lot of fun with
that and springing back a lot of memories of different
eras of my life and different moments of like who
I've been, and now from this vantage point, I'm able
to also not just look at who I've been in
other times, right Like, when you get to a certain age,
you really start to see how defined your life is
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by very specific eras and what those clusters of time
mean to your bigger story. And I think I'm just
really in a season right now where synchronistically a lot
is coming up for review, that is completing cycles and
completing circles in certain thought processes I've had, or ways
I've looked at situations, and so lately I've been talking
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more than ever with people about actually like my very
very old school radio career, like not even the career
I gave up ten years ago, but the career I
got into when I was like nineteen. So I've been
thinking about those ages and who I knew and what
I was doing and how I saw the world, and
it's just fun. It's fun and it's interesting. I'm realizing
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also how wrong I was about so many things in
my life. I've run into a few people lately, people
I've known for honestly, like truly twenty years, and we
are resolving misperceptions like we've had about one another, had
about how each other felt about the other, or how
each other like approached a career move or you know,
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just like so many things now from like this like
twenty year rearview mirror, and it's just it's beautiful. It's fascinating.
It's like the gift of time passing, you know. And
I think something I'm really savoring too, is like I'm
getting so many more confirming examples of how beautiful and
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strategic divine timinginess. And you know, when you're younger, it's
really so hard to connect to that patience for your life.
It's excruciating because you're becoming, you're learning, you're discovering you
want things and people, and you know, you think you
have to craft your life so quickly and so fully.
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Like I remember when I was turning twenty four, I
thought I was so depressed because I thought, by twenty four,
I should be deep in the success of a massive
career and I should already have this and that and
this and that. And it's like you are an infant
at twenty four, like what you should barely be trusted
with anything at that age. No, not really, but you know,
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it's like those are the years that you're actually should
be so free, just so free and unencumbered by those
bigger choices and decisions, you know. So anywho' it's it's
special being in a place where there are certain areas
of your life you have been consistent and you have
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been an alignment and you have listened to God and
you never saw like why you were being so disciplined
in those ways, and then all of a sudden, twenty
years past and it all falls into place and you
get it and you're like, wow, So the listening can
take a while, but why can't it? You know, like,
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why can't it? Why does everything have to be fast
and more? And you know, yeah, And that leads me
actually to an update I want to share with everyone
about my surgery. Thank you so much everyone that has
been hitting me up. There's been just so much kindness
floating in my orbit and ecosystem, and so many of
you listening and that have reached out to share your
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own stories with chronic pain or surgeries, and so I am.
I think I'm almost eight weeks Monday, I think will
be eight weeks out from surgery, and the first episode
I recorded was I think within the first week where
I had my full sling. So I'm out of my sling.
I can't really raise my arm past here. This is
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where she stays. If you're on YouTube, you see what
I'm doing right now, but right around my waist is
like how high you can lift my arm? But oh,
God is healing me so beautifully, Like it's blowing my mind.
And I was actually having this conversation with my friend
pastor John Gray, because he had prayed for me right
after my surgery, and I remember his message was like,
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you know, God said, no, it's going to take as
long as it takes. The healing won't be accelerated, like
you need to slow down. And as soon as he
said that, I just thought it was one of the
fairest things I've ever heard. Of course, how fair and
how generous to be allowed to heal in the amount
of time you're supposed to heal, to heal it all right,
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And so it really shifted things for me, and that
of this belief that I had to heal fast because
now I'm a healer and I'm in my healing, and
that everything has to be done with acceleration, and you know,
just like full abundance and manifestation. And so the last
eight weeks, I've been so present with my healing, and
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that's what I have been mulling over. I've been thinking
about that and how fair it is and how special
my body is to even have the ability to heal,
and the fact that I still even get to have
use of this arm and you know, like and that
I'm even able to maneuver well while on a book
tour while healing from this experience, and I've just I
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just can't even describe it. I can't even describe the
gratitude that I'm washed over with in my life, for
my life, for my body, for my work, for all
the opportunities of being alive and being in the moment.
Like I'm I'm truly in awe and just so overcome.
But here's what happened that I notice, right like, as
soon as I accepted, which gratefully was instantaneously and I
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didn't even think about it, that was my natural response.
As soon as I surrendered, I could just be with
the miraculous nature of my body. I didn't have this
expectant energy. I didn't have this like you know, this
kind of this like disappointment that comes out far too
soon for something that is still in process. Right, Like,
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I wasn't encumbered with disappointment. I wasn't encumbered with a
longing or yeah, in expectation. I was just present with
the miraculous feeling nature of my body. And what I
found is, oh my god, I am healing so much
faster than I could have expected. My doctor is like, what,
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like wow, Like you're doing so great and you're not
in pain, and you don't have a lot of inflammation
and your body is responding so well. And I've just
enjoyed the tenderness and the slowness that I'm allowed to
move with with, you know, like I used to be
like the first one to pick something up or to
be like I can do what I got it. I'm
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doing it by myself, to carry you know, every single
grocery bag in alone and not even take extra trips.
And now it's like I physically can't do that, so
I don't. And I'm also not overgiving or over exerting
with other people. I'm just like, I'm so sorry. I
actually this arm doesn't work yet. So and it's just
been Yeah, it's been so special and eye opening in
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so many ways to be present with this healing and
just be and yet another lesson of how beauty the
duality of grief and joy is, or of challenge and
ease happening at once, because there is so much ease
happening around my book. There is so much ease and
grace and power happening in the just amazing conversations that
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I'm having out in the world right now and the
beautiful hearts that I'm connecting with, and so I'm just
grateful for the both of it all and the grounded
nature of it all. So that's an update on my
arm and my physical healing, and the book tour is
going amazing, y'all. I again, if you haven't got it yet,
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Living in Wisdom is officially out. This is about doing
the work. This book is about getting into your crevices,
getting into the spots where things have been hiding in
a really kind of sophisticated and stealth way, and being
with them and looking at them, and having the guidance
of how to process some of those things in some
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of those places with additional tools and additional practices to
really allow you to take full agency over yourself. And
over your life and over the desires of your heart.
So far, I've hit two places my book tour stops
have been and the first one was in Atlanta. God,
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I love Atlanta. Oh I love Atlanta. I was in
Atlanta for the Black Effect Podcast Network tour, the amazing
podcast network that I am on, and it was so incredible.
There were just so many amazing people that hit the stage.
I have to shout out my girls Erica and Mila
of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast. They are officially
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now in the Black Effect Network and they hit the
main stage to do a live podcast. They killed it.
They just looked so amazing and the energy they bring
is just so special, Like I just love them, love them,
love them. My girl Carrie Champion brought Naked Sports, which
is on the network, to the stage and had an
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amazing conversation with Iman Schumbert, and it was just like
there were so many people and it was just so special.
Shout out my girl Weezy, shout out Mandy, Like they're
just incredible women putting their work in the world and
really leading and creating a whole new vision for themselves
and their lives and their audiences and I'm just inspired
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by it all. I'm just so bired by especially all
the women that create through their unique vision and calling
and it's just dope. It's just dope. So I was
there for that. I was on a panel. I was
on a mental health panel that was really special. My
brother Charlemagne was on that panel. Ambergrimes, doctor j was
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on that panel. The hood Dock was on that panel.
And it was just so much wisdom, so much wisdom, wisdom,
wisdom and service and dope to connect with everybody there.
And then I did my book tour stop which was
at forty fourth and Third, which is a phenomenal bookstore
which is located in Atlanta. I've just never seen like
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anything quite like it. It was so special and the
collection of books from all over and black authors and
so my dear friend and sister Carrie Champion did my
book conversation for that stop, and it was amazing. I
got to see so many people in person. I mean
there are people. There were faces I was recognizing from
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Instagram and dms from like twenty and sixteen when I
was doing some early stuff with Karma Blizz and some
different challenges and people that I connected with through the
app for Meditation and the Pandemic, and it was just
amazing and people were showing up wearing like their deeply
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well shirts like right now I got my surprise me
God shirt on and that was amazing, so good, just
so good. And after that, where else was I? So?
I was in New York. I did the Breakfast Club,
which was incredible and if you haven't seen that episode yet,
highly recommend you check out my Breakfast Club interview on
the book. It was so special being with my brother Charlemagne,
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being with Envy. I have known both of them for
at least eighteen years. And then my girl Jess Hilarious
was there and it was just it was amazing. It
was such a deep, expansive conversation and it was just
it's fun to get put in the hot seat, which rarely,
if ever happens to me, especially with two people that
have known me over a length of time. So we
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shared and swapped some crazy stories from a long time
ago and all the things. But it was just beautiful
being with them and what they do. And then I
did I'm also right now on my girl Carrie's podcast
on Naked Sports. I had a chance to join her
in New York and do her podcast, and that episode
is so different than any episode I have ever done.
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She is a master and so special at what she does.
But we talk about a lot. We talk about dating,
we talk about God, we talk about my super early
radio career in LA and my God, all the places,
all the crevices of my past. So check out that
episode too. It has been so great deeply. Well, hey,
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there's so much to say, y'all. I just don't even know. Okay,
So I talk to you about my surrender experience. So
I had some very special, very special surprise me God
experiences too that are just feeling so invigorating. Like you
have heard me say this on the show so many times.
I'm wearing a T shirt that actually says it. But
sometimes in certain moments of your life, the prayer is
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simply surprise me God. I don't have any specific thing
to ask for right now. I'm not gonna you know,
just yeah, I don't need really more. Everything feels like
more than enough. I'm I'm open to the awe, you know,
like I'm open to the awe. I'm open to the
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work of my life right now, and I'm open to
the things that I just can't even fathom. And so
I think when we make the prayer surprise me God,
and we say that when we wake up, we say that,
when we go to sleep, we say that as we're
walking into a new experience. It's another form of surrendering
to the things that can surpass any possible desire expectation
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that we could ever have. I am firmly in my
surprise me God's season, and I do have to say
I noticed that spring and summer are really special to
use this prayer. There's just this natural blooming taking place
in nature and people in the world, and projects this
natural kind of ease and joy because of the amount
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of sunlight that we're getting because the birds are all
out now for most of the day, chirping and singing.
It's an effortless joy that gets us, gets to surround
us without us working for it. That really starts to
come forward. So it's the perfect time to lean into
Surprise Me God. And I had two experiences recently that
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were that they were just the sweetest, most special little surprises.
So the first was that I've shared this on the show,
and if you follow me on Instagram, you've seen, but
my friend Maria Shriver, the legendary national treasure icon that
she is, has an incredible book out called I Am Maria.
It's profound, it's special, it's deeply, deeply inspiring. It's a
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mix of memoir and reflection and also like just beautiful
poetry and creativity. And so she asked me to join
her on some stops of her book tour. So I
joined her to kick it off in New York. We
did the La Book Tour, and then I joined her
this past week in Summerland, which is right near Santa
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Barbara for those that are familiar in southern California, at
this beautiful bookstore that is, you know, this kind of
iconic literary space called Godmother's a beautifully really special bookseller.
And she had her conversation there in a very intimate
way and brought out her best friend forty nine years
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to guide her in the conversation. And her best friend
is Oprah Winfrey. And so I got to share some
special time with Maria and Oprah and just witness their
greatness and the beauty of them as women, the beauty
of them as friends, the beauty of them as living, breathing,
world changing icons. And it just special, and I led
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a meditation there for everyone. I got to see my friend,
doctor Jennifer Freed, who has been on the show, she
was there. I got to see Gwyneth Paltrow, she was there,
just such an admirer of her work and all the
things that GUP does. And it was a beautiful day.
It was just absolutely beautiful. And that's all I'm going
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to say about it. But that was a surprise me
God for the ages. It unfolded in just such an
unexpected special way, and it was more than enough, and
it was sacred and really recharged my battery of inspiration,
recharged my battery of service, recharge my battery of just
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excitement about being a woman and aging and growing and
creating and being you know, all the things that we
get to be while we're here. So yeah, so that
was the first one which knocked my socks off. And
then just a few days after that, I had the
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really beautiful opportunity of moderating a panel called the Wellness
Revolution at this phenomenal global conference that happened in Beverly
Hills called the Milken Institute Global Conference. I know some
listening probably are very familiar with that. It wasn't a
part of my world. It really is. This at the
center of some of the great financial minds in the world,
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some of the great visionary thinkers and business of the world.
Five thousand people over three days, like two hundred different
talks and panels, like just so much information And when
you're in the middle of the lobby there it literally
feels like you were standing in the center of Manhattan.
The way people are like whizzing by you in suits.
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It was just it was wow energy, just wow and fascinating.
And so I was leading this panel, and the panel
was just phenomenal. It was amazing people doing really meaningful,
truly good works in the world, who are balancing like
what it is to scale multi million dollar global businesses
and how to hold onto your integrity in that in wellness,
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and how to make choices that are not just about
your bottom line and are not just about wealth accumulation,
but even as businesses making conscious choices for the greater good.
We need that now more than ever, and we need
those conversations and those kind of spaces now more than ever.
So on the panel was just amazing people. Jessica Alba,
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of course we know her, We love her The Honest Company.
She's just been a visionary in the clean space. Doctor
Mark Hyman, who I am a massive fan of, Love
his podcast, love his books. I first saw him speak
probably ten years ago or so. I went to this
retreat called Journey into Healing. I mean, he was one
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of the key speakers for one of the days, and yeah,
after that, I was just kind of a lifelong big
fan of his curiosities and his brilliance. Also there was
Quentin Vinny, who has an incredible tea company and brewing
company and is creating in the wellness world in a
really special way with things that can really help nourish
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and regulate us in our families with a lot of ease.
Moje Mahara, who is just such a visionary, And what
I loved most about working with Moje is she came
up to me and the first thing that she said
was like, I want to talk about the problems. I
want to hit this stage and talk about the problems
that are happening and how we fix them. And that
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was really the air of the entire experience. And also
the amazing Attica Swarup, who has a wonderful beauty company
as well, shared a lot of insight on how you
scale in beauty with integrity, which is really interesting because
there are so many different facets that affect us in
the beauty industry in a truly kind of holistic way,
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if it can affect like every aspect of us from
physical to mental health and emotional health. So yeah, it
was just fascinating. It was great to facilitate that conversation.
I had a blast. Audience was great. Made everyone do breathwork,
of course, because that is always going to happen on
any stage I hit, even if it's a business stage.
So that was really special and interesting, and I loved
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everything I got to take in and learn in that space.
And my surprise, me god moment really happened when I
was walking into the speaker's lounge and I was getting
all my badges and stuff, and all of a sudden,
I look over and I see someone I admire like
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standing there, and I was like what, And it was
TD Jakes, And it was just so special to walk
up and just say thank you Bishop, you know, thank
you for who you are, thank you for your work,
thank you for all the sacrifices you've made in your
life to show up for the world and to create
what you've created, and to heal hearts and to bring
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people to God. And you know, it's just like wow,
you know wow. And I know he recently made the
announcement that Pastor Sarah Jakes and Pastor Torrey we're going
to be taking over his work at Potter's House, and
so I was just happy. I I got to tell
him to rest, to enjoy the rest, and to enjoy
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some pleasure and some happiness and some joy. And so
it's a special conversation that I'll keep in my mind
hard and hold. But it was just wonderful. It was
just further confirmation from God about the goodness of the
world and the goodness of people and the inspiration that
surrounds us in all moments. And you know, it's not
lost on me what it is to also be kind
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of confronted with two people in a special way that
I have been loving from Afar since I was a child,
you know, And like what the impact of the work
they said, They said, yes to the impact of what
that did to my life to allow me to become
who I am in this moment. Infinite gratitude and list.
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All right, So couple things My book tour is still
going on. Some of the dates are sold out, but
I think there are waitless. I will be in Washington,
d C. On May sixteenth, twenty twenty five. I will
be in Houston, Texas on May twenty first, twenty twenty five.
I will be in Detroit on May twenty eighth. All
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the information is on my website, Debbie Brown dot com,
Forward slash Book get all tickets there. I am joined
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This is where we heal, this is where we transcend.
I am your host, Debbie Brown, and I'm excited for
this episode because I have some things I have been
thinking about as it relates to surrender and as it
relates to divine timing and the beautiful synchronicities of God
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and the universe. So yeah, just all the big questions
of life. That's what we're going to explore in this episode.
Big themes, big themes. I have no idea and no
concept of time. Right now. I have to say my
book came out, Living in Wisdom. It is here. It
came out exactly about two weeks and a couple days ago,
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so it is a brand new baby out in the world.
And I just want to say thank you so much
to everyone who has reached out, that is reading the book,
that has got the book, that has tagged me in
your screenshots, that has you know, let me know what
parts of the book. I've been getting a lot of
messages from people letting me know what chapter they're on
when they're on it, so like, Okay, I'm at chapter
(03:33):
three at this point, or I'm on page sixty seven,
or I'm you know, I'm I'm two chapters away from finishing.
So it's been really special because I think when you
first drop a book, you know definitely. I think the
flow of it is the focus on like first week
sales and you're out, you're talking about it, but no
one's actually really read it yet people are buying it.
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And something that's been just really meaningful as an author
and thrilling as an author is getting the response for
how people are reacting to reading it. And it's been
really special and it's been interesting. I know when I
first when I first like turned in the manuscript and
I was just talking to a couple friends about the book,
(04:14):
and I kept everything pretty close to the chest, like
I'm really good at that. I'm a very patient person
with like the unfolding of things. I don't have to
share everything right away. But I was talking to some
friends about the book and they're just like, oh, you know,
this is going to be so great, and you know,
they were kind of holding the book in this very
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like feel good kind of way, which it is a
very feel good book, I think when you really get
on the other side of some things. But I remember
what I shared with them, as I said, you know,
I think people's path to this book is going to
be a little bit different, because actually, I'm sure the
book is going to be quite confronting when you first
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start reading it. It's even confronting for me when I reread.
It's provoking on purpose, you know, it's yeah, it's and
maybe provoking isn't the word. It's confronting on purpose. My
deepest desire with this book was to hopefully bring anyone
that reads it to a deeper layer, to a place
(05:20):
they haven't gone before, place they haven't spent maybe significant
time before. So it's just been really special. So far.
I've done a lot. I have been on the road, baby,
which is so also funny for me based on my personality.
It's like I spent many years out five six nights
a week because of what I used to do in
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the industry I was in, and you know, just used
to travel a ton and be here, be there and
since the pandemic, I have just fallen in love with
my natural, simple, ordinary, slow movements in the day. So
I'm a homebody. I can get out there, I can
work a room with the best of them. I can
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you know, yeah, take up space. But my preference in
this season of life is to like be with my
garden and be with my child and think and ponder
and just really spend a lot of time with my
closest relationships and go deeper there and have cookouts with
each other and regular hangs at each other's houses and
(06:22):
you know, things like that. And so because of that,
I have traveled quite a bit for work, but I'm
always like bam bam, and life has been like really
regimented the past few years in that way. And so
it's been really cool to kind of turn on those
social muscles that I haven't really used in a while,
to be out in the world talking about something that
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I love and that I worked really hard on and
that I'm excited about. So yeah, it's been interesting. I've
been turning on my social battery, which also is a
sensitive person you got to build in like a lot
of recovery time. So it's been it's been cool understanding
that component of my life right now, right like how
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to bring more harmony to a life that is usually
intentionally very reclusive, and then being out there and you know,
feeling all the energy and moving through the city and
moving through groups and you know, just having a lot
of experiences in one day. That was my life for
most of my life, of course, so it's nothing new.
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But when you take a step back to do deep healing,
when you take a step back to work on you know,
what we're calling soft life or cultivating a slowness, it
does feel a little jarring when you have to keep
one foot in the other world too. It takes a
little bit of practice and it takes a little bit
of harmonizing. So I'm having fun doing that right now
(07:46):
because I am loving both. I'm loving being in the
world again. I'm loving having big conversations again and using
all my skills and you know, using things that were
kind of dormant the last few years because my work
was focused on different things. So it's just been really
fun activating those kind of highly trained muscles again and
(08:07):
using them. And I'm having a lot of fun with
that and springing back a lot of memories of different
eras of my life and different moments of like who
I've been, and now from this vantage point, I'm able
to also not just look at who I've been in
other times, right Like, when you get to a certain age,
you really start to see how defined your life is
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by very specific eras and what those clusters of time
mean to your bigger story. And I think I'm just
really in a season right now where synchronistically a lot
is coming up for review, that is completing cycles and
completing circles in certain thought processes I've had, or ways
I've looked at situations, and so lately I've been talking
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more than ever with people about actually like my very
very old school radio career, like not even the career
I gave up ten years ago, but the career I
got into when I was like nineteen. So I've been
thinking about those ages and who I knew and what
I was doing and how I saw the world, and
it's just fun. It's fun and it's interesting. I'm realizing
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also how wrong I was about so many things in
my life. I've run into a few people lately, people
I've known for honestly, like truly twenty years, and we
are resolving misperceptions like we've had about one another, had
about how each other felt about the other, or how
each other like approached a career move or you know,
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just like so many things now from like this like
twenty year rearview mirror, and it's just it's beautiful. It's fascinating.
It's like the gift of time passing, you know. And
I think something I'm really savoring too, is like I'm
getting so many more confirming examples of how beautiful and
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strategic divine timinginess. And you know, when you're younger, it's
really so hard to connect to that patience for your life.
It's excruciating because you're becoming, you're learning, you're discovering you
want things and people, and you know, you think you
have to craft your life so quickly and so fully.
(10:21):
Like I remember when I was turning twenty four, I
thought I was so depressed because I thought, by twenty four,
I should be deep in the success of a massive
career and I should already have this and that and
this and that. And it's like you are an infant
at twenty four, like what you should barely be trusted
with anything at that age. No, not really, but you know,
(10:44):
it's like those are the years that you're actually should
be so free, just so free and unencumbered by those
bigger choices and decisions, you know. So anywho' it's it's
special being in a place where there are certain areas
of your life you have been consistent and you have
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been an alignment and you have listened to God and
you never saw like why you were being so disciplined
in those ways, and then all of a sudden, twenty
years past and it all falls into place and you
get it and you're like, wow, So the listening can
take a while, but why can't it? You know, like,
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why can't it? Why does everything have to be fast
and more? And you know, yeah, And that leads me
actually to an update I want to share with everyone
about my surgery. Thank you so much everyone that has
been hitting me up. There's been just so much kindness
floating in my orbit and ecosystem, and so many of
you listening and that have reached out to share your
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own stories with chronic pain or surgeries, and so I am.
I think I'm almost eight weeks Monday, I think will
be eight weeks out from surgery, and the first episode
I recorded was I think within the first week where
I had my full sling. So I'm out of my sling.
I can't really raise my arm past here. This is
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where she stays. If you're on YouTube, you see what
I'm doing right now, but right around my waist is
like how high you can lift my arm? But oh,
God is healing me so beautifully, Like it's blowing my mind.
And I was actually having this conversation with my friend
pastor John Gray, because he had prayed for me right
after my surgery, and I remember his message was like,
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you know, God said, no, it's going to take as
long as it takes. The healing won't be accelerated, like
you need to slow down. And as soon as he
said that, I just thought it was one of the
fairest things I've ever heard. Of course, how fair and
how generous to be allowed to heal in the amount
of time you're supposed to heal, to heal it all right,
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And so it really shifted things for me, and that
of this belief that I had to heal fast because
now I'm a healer and I'm in my healing, and
that everything has to be done with acceleration, and you know,
just like full abundance and manifestation. And so the last
eight weeks, I've been so present with my healing, and
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that's what I have been mulling over. I've been thinking
about that and how fair it is and how special
my body is to even have the ability to heal,
and the fact that I still even get to have
use of this arm and you know, like and that
I'm even able to maneuver well while on a book
tour while healing from this experience, and I've just I
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just can't even describe it. I can't even describe the
gratitude that I'm washed over with in my life, for
my life, for my body, for my work, for all
the opportunities of being alive and being in the moment.
Like I'm I'm truly in awe and just so overcome.
But here's what happened that I notice, right like, as
soon as I accepted, which gratefully was instantaneously and I
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didn't even think about it, that was my natural response.
As soon as I surrendered, I could just be with
the miraculous nature of my body. I didn't have this
expectant energy. I didn't have this like you know, this
kind of this like disappointment that comes out far too
soon for something that is still in process. Right, Like,
(14:25):
I wasn't encumbered with disappointment. I wasn't encumbered with a
longing or yeah, in expectation. I was just present with
the miraculous feeling nature of my body. And what I
found is, oh my god, I am healing so much
faster than I could have expected. My doctor is like, what,
(14:46):
like wow, Like you're doing so great and you're not
in pain, and you don't have a lot of inflammation
and your body is responding so well. And I've just
enjoyed the tenderness and the slowness that I'm allowed to
move with with, you know, like I used to be
like the first one to pick something up or to
be like I can do what I got it. I'm
(15:06):
doing it by myself, to carry you know, every single
grocery bag in alone and not even take extra trips.
And now it's like I physically can't do that, so
I don't. And I'm also not overgiving or over exerting
with other people. I'm just like, I'm so sorry. I
actually this arm doesn't work yet. So and it's just
been Yeah, it's been so special and eye opening in
(15:29):
so many ways to be present with this healing and
just be and yet another lesson of how beauty the
duality of grief and joy is, or of challenge and
ease happening at once, because there is so much ease
happening around my book. There is so much ease and
grace and power happening in the just amazing conversations that
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I'm having out in the world right now and the
beautiful hearts that I'm connecting with, and so I'm just
grateful for the both of it all and the grounded
nature of it all. So that's an update on my
arm and my physical healing, and the book tour is
going amazing, y'all. I again, if you haven't got it yet,
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Living in Wisdom is officially out. This is about doing
the work. This book is about getting into your crevices,
getting into the spots where things have been hiding in
a really kind of sophisticated and stealth way, and being
with them and looking at them, and having the guidance
of how to process some of those things in some
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of those places with additional tools and additional practices to
really allow you to take full agency over yourself. And
over your life and over the desires of your heart.
So far, I've hit two places my book tour stops
have been and the first one was in Atlanta. God,
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I love Atlanta. Oh I love Atlanta. I was in
Atlanta for the Black Effect Podcast Network tour, the amazing
podcast network that I am on, and it was so incredible.
There were just so many amazing people that hit the stage.
I have to shout out my girls Erica and Mila
of the Good Mom's Bad Choices podcast. They are officially
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now in the Black Effect Network and they hit the
main stage to do a live podcast. They killed it.
They just looked so amazing and the energy they bring
is just so special, Like I just love them, love them,
love them. My girl Carrie Champion brought Naked Sports, which
is on the network, to the stage and had an
(17:37):
amazing conversation with Iman Schumbert, and it was just like
there were so many people and it was just so special.
Shout out my girl Weezy, shout out Mandy, Like they're
just incredible women putting their work in the world and
really leading and creating a whole new vision for themselves
and their lives and their audiences and I'm just inspired
(17:58):
by it all. I'm just so bired by especially all
the women that create through their unique vision and calling
and it's just dope. It's just dope. So I was
there for that. I was on a panel. I was
on a mental health panel that was really special. My
brother Charlemagne was on that panel. Ambergrimes, doctor j was
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on that panel. The hood Dock was on that panel.
And it was just so much wisdom, so much wisdom, wisdom,
wisdom and service and dope to connect with everybody there.
And then I did my book tour stop which was
at forty fourth and Third, which is a phenomenal bookstore
which is located in Atlanta. I've just never seen like
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anything quite like it. It was so special and the
collection of books from all over and black authors and
so my dear friend and sister Carrie Champion did my
book conversation for that stop, and it was amazing. I
got to see so many people in person. I mean
there are people. There were faces I was recognizing from
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Instagram and dms from like twenty and sixteen when I
was doing some early stuff with Karma Blizz and some
different challenges and people that I connected with through the
app for Meditation and the Pandemic, and it was just
amazing and people were showing up wearing like their deeply
(19:24):
well shirts like right now I got my surprise me
God shirt on and that was amazing, so good, just
so good. And after that, where else was I? So?
I was in New York. I did the Breakfast Club,
which was incredible and if you haven't seen that episode yet,
highly recommend you check out my Breakfast Club interview on
the book. It was so special being with my brother Charlemagne,
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being with Envy. I have known both of them for
at least eighteen years. And then my girl Jess Hilarious
was there and it was just it was amazing. It
was such a deep, expansive conversation and it was just
it's fun to get put in the hot seat, which rarely,
if ever happens to me, especially with two people that
have known me over a length of time. So we
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shared and swapped some crazy stories from a long time
ago and all the things. But it was just beautiful
being with them and what they do. And then I
did I'm also right now on my girl Carrie's podcast
on Naked Sports. I had a chance to join her
in New York and do her podcast, and that episode
is so different than any episode I have ever done.
(20:30):
She is a master and so special at what she does.
But we talk about a lot. We talk about dating,
we talk about God, we talk about my super early
radio career in LA and my God, all the places,
all the crevices of my past. So check out that
episode too. It has been so great deeply. Well, hey,
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there's so much to say, y'all. I just don't even know. Okay,
So I talk to you about my surrender experience. So
I had some very special, very special surprise me God
experiences too that are just feeling so invigorating. Like you
have heard me say this on the show so many times.
I'm wearing a T shirt that actually says it. But
sometimes in certain moments of your life, the prayer is
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simply surprise me God. I don't have any specific thing
to ask for right now. I'm not gonna you know,
just yeah, I don't need really more. Everything feels like
more than enough. I'm I'm open to the awe, you know,
like I'm open to the awe. I'm open to the
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work of my life right now, and I'm open to
the things that I just can't even fathom. And so
I think when we make the prayer surprise me God,
and we say that when we wake up, we say that,
when we go to sleep, we say that as we're
walking into a new experience. It's another form of surrendering
to the things that can surpass any possible desire expectation
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that we could ever have. I am firmly in my
surprise me God's season, and I do have to say
I noticed that spring and summer are really special to
use this prayer. There's just this natural blooming taking place
in nature and people in the world, and projects this
natural kind of ease and joy because of the amount
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of sunlight that we're getting because the birds are all
out now for most of the day, chirping and singing.
It's an effortless joy that gets us, gets to surround
us without us working for it. That really starts to
come forward. So it's the perfect time to lean into
Surprise Me God. And I had two experiences recently that
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were that they were just the sweetest, most special little surprises.
So the first was that I've shared this on the show,
and if you follow me on Instagram, you've seen, but
my friend Maria Shriver, the legendary national treasure icon that
she is, has an incredible book out called I Am Maria.
It's profound, it's special, it's deeply, deeply inspiring. It's a
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mix of memoir and reflection and also like just beautiful
poetry and creativity. And so she asked me to join
her on some stops of her book tour. So I
joined her to kick it off in New York. We
did the La Book Tour, and then I joined her
this past week in Summerland, which is right near Santa
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Barbara for those that are familiar in southern California, at
this beautiful bookstore that is, you know, this kind of
iconic literary space called Godmother's a beautifully really special bookseller.
And she had her conversation there in a very intimate
way and brought out her best friend forty nine years
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to guide her in the conversation. And her best friend
is Oprah Winfrey. And so I got to share some
special time with Maria and Oprah and just witness their
greatness and the beauty of them as women, the beauty
of them as friends, the beauty of them as living, breathing,
world changing icons. And it just special, and I led
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a meditation there for everyone. I got to see my friend,
doctor Jennifer Freed, who has been on the show, she
was there. I got to see Gwyneth Paltrow, she was there,
just such an admirer of her work and all the
things that GUP does. And it was a beautiful day.
It was just absolutely beautiful. And that's all I'm going
(24:40):
to say about it. But that was a surprise me
God for the ages. It unfolded in just such an
unexpected special way, and it was more than enough, and
it was sacred and really recharged my battery of inspiration,
recharged my battery of service, recharge my battery of just
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excitement about being a woman and aging and growing and
creating and being you know, all the things that we
get to be while we're here. So yeah, so that
was the first one which knocked my socks off. And
then just a few days after that, I had the
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really beautiful opportunity of moderating a panel called the Wellness
Revolution at this phenomenal global conference that happened in Beverly
Hills called the Milken Institute Global Conference. I know some
listening probably are very familiar with that. It wasn't a
part of my world. It really is. This at the
center of some of the great financial minds in the world,
(25:50):
some of the great visionary thinkers and business of the world.
Five thousand people over three days, like two hundred different
talks and panels, like just so much information And when
you're in the middle of the lobby there it literally
feels like you were standing in the center of Manhattan.
The way people are like whizzing by you in suits.
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It was just it was wow energy, just wow and fascinating.
And so I was leading this panel, and the panel
was just phenomenal. It was amazing people doing really meaningful,
truly good works in the world, who are balancing like
what it is to scale multi million dollar global businesses
and how to hold onto your integrity in that in wellness,
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and how to make choices that are not just about
your bottom line and are not just about wealth accumulation,
but even as businesses making conscious choices for the greater good.
We need that now more than ever, and we need
those conversations and those kind of spaces now more than ever.
So on the panel was just amazing people. Jessica Alba,
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of course we know her, We love her The Honest Company.
She's just been a visionary in the clean space. Doctor
Mark Hyman, who I am a massive fan of, Love
his podcast, love his books. I first saw him speak
probably ten years ago or so. I went to this
retreat called Journey into Healing. I mean, he was one
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of the key speakers for one of the days, and yeah,
after that, I was just kind of a lifelong big
fan of his curiosities and his brilliance. Also there was
Quentin Vinny, who has an incredible tea company and brewing
company and is creating in the wellness world in a
really special way with things that can really help nourish
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and regulate us in our families with a lot of ease.
Moje Mahara, who is just such a visionary, And what
I loved most about working with Moje is she came
up to me and the first thing that she said
was like, I want to talk about the problems. I
want to hit this stage and talk about the problems
that are happening and how we fix them. And that
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was really the air of the entire experience. And also
the amazing Attica Swarup, who has a wonderful beauty company
as well, shared a lot of insight on how you
scale in beauty with integrity, which is really interesting because
there are so many different facets that affect us in
the beauty industry in a truly kind of holistic way,
(28:26):
if it can affect like every aspect of us from
physical to mental health and emotional health. So yeah, it
was just fascinating. It was great to facilitate that conversation.
I had a blast. Audience was great. Made everyone do breathwork,
of course, because that is always going to happen on
any stage I hit, even if it's a business stage.
So that was really special and interesting, and I loved
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everything I got to take in and learn in that space.
And my surprise, me god moment really happened when I
was walking into the speaker's lounge and I was getting
all my badges and stuff, and all of a sudden,
I look over and I see someone I admire like
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standing there, and I was like what, And it was
TD Jakes, And it was just so special to walk
up and just say thank you Bishop, you know, thank
you for who you are, thank you for your work,
thank you for all the sacrifices you've made in your
life to show up for the world and to create
what you've created, and to heal hearts and to bring
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people to God. And you know, it's just like wow,
you know wow. And I know he recently made the
announcement that Pastor Sarah Jakes and Pastor Torrey we're going
to be taking over his work at Potter's House, and
so I was just happy. I I got to tell
him to rest, to enjoy the rest, and to enjoy
(29:53):
some pleasure and some happiness and some joy. And so
it's a special conversation that I'll keep in my mind
hard and hold. But it was just wonderful. It was
just further confirmation from God about the goodness of the
world and the goodness of people and the inspiration that
surrounds us in all moments. And you know, it's not
lost on me what it is to also be kind
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of confronted with two people in a special way that
I have been loving from Afar since I was a child,
you know, And like what the impact of the work
they said, They said, yes to the impact of what
that did to my life to allow me to become
who I am in this moment. Infinite gratitude and list.
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All right, So couple things My book tour is still
going on. Some of the dates are sold out, but
I think there are waitless. I will be in Washington,
d C. On May sixteenth, twenty twenty five. I will
be in Houston, Texas on May twenty first, twenty twenty five.
I will be in Detroit on May twenty eighth. All
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the information is on my website, Debbie Brown dot com,
Forward slash Book get all tickets there. I am joined
by incredible conversation partners like Bunbee, Jessica Nabongo a, Lindsia Johnson.
It's gonna be amazing. My girlfriend Laila Dlia join me
on my La stop at Reparations book Club and my Motherland,
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which was so iconic. It was just such an amazing night.
Reparations is such an incredible bookstore in La blew me Away.
I will be going all the time. Huge thank you
to Jazzy and Yeah so we out here, we get
in it. If you have gotten the book, if you're
reading the book, I ask if you have the time,
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please leave a review. Please leave a review. If you
bought it on Amazon, please leave a review and five stars.
If you got it on Audible, If you got it
on Barnes and Noble Books a million again. Amazon, Please
take a moment and do that if you would, and
uh yeah, pick up the book. If you haven't, let
me know what you're thinking. Hit me in the comments
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on ig all the places you know how to find me.
All right, I'll be back next week, No mistaytayday. The
content presented on Deeply Well serves solely for educational and
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personalized medical or mental health guidance and does not constitute
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