July 3, 2025 • 65 mins
In this nourishing episode of Deeply Well, Devi sits down with the radiant Andy Allo - a multi-hyphenate artist whose creativity flows through music, acting, and the sacred art of cooking. Together, we explore how storytelling shows up in various forms: in lyrics, in lineage, and in the meals we prepare for the people we love.
Andy opens up about her journey, embracing her many gifts and the spiritual connection she’s found through food, especially through her Cameroonian pop-up restaurant, Akone. With every dish, she honors her cultural legacy while creating space for healing and joy. We talk about food as prayer, as memory, and as a bridge that connects one to another.
Allo and Devi elaborate on how trusting the unknown and surrendering to divine inspiration can open doors to magic we never saw coming. Andy shares stories of working alongside icons like Prince, the power of going on “dates with God,” and the self-care rituals that keep her grounded.
Have you dedicated time to date, GOD?
We also reflect on life after death, and the final season of UPLOAD on Amazon Prime, Andy shines in this futuristic sci-fi comedy series set in 2033, that explores the digital afterlife, life’s meaning and the challenges of a romance between a living person (Nora aka Andy Allo) and an upload (Nathan aka Robbie Amell) who’s consciousness now lives on a server. It’s hilarious, but heartfelt.
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Speaker 1 (00:58):
Take a deep brown in through your nose. Holds it.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Now, release slowly again deep in haale hold release, repeating
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internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I
am deeply, deeply well. I am deeply well, I am deeply.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Wow. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.
Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on
your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,
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and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.
This is where we heal, this is where we become.
Welcome back to this show, y'all. It's been a few weeks.
She's been having a European summer, and now we are
back in beautiful, sunny Los Angeles. It is a gorgeous
day today. I am excited for today's episode. I have
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been looking forward to this episode four months. Today's episode
is a celebration of creativity, cultural legacy, and multi dimensional expression.
We are multi facined, y'all. We're joined by a radiant
for whose artistry defies traditional categories and who reminds us
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that healing, storytelling, and spiritual connection can happen across mediums.
Cameroon born actor, singer, songwriter, anne chef Andy Allo is
a true creative powerhouse. You may know her as Nora
Antony on the hit Prime video series Upload, where she's
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captured hearts with her grounded, soulful performance, or as Lieutenant
Wendy Seeger on NBC's Chicago Fire. She's graced both big
and small screens with roles in Pitch Perfect three, Black Lightning,
and even lent her voice to the Star Wars universe
in the Bad Batch. But Andy's brilliance doesn't stop it acting.
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She was discovered by none other than Prince and toured
internationally as a member of his legendary New Power Generation band.
Her music, fusing funk, soul, and storytelling, has reached fans
across the globe, affirming her as a genre bending artist
with a sound all her own. And now Andy is
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making her mark and yet another world food through her
culinary venture a Kona, She's redefining camera rooney and fine dining.
Her recent Los Angeles pop up featured ancestral dishes reimagined
with elegance and intention, blending family traditions with elevated techniques.
For Andy, cooking is more than a skill, it's a
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spiritual practice and a way to honor her roots and
creative lineage. With a New York City pop up on
the horizon and the final season of Upload premiering later
this year, Andy continues to evolve and to inspire. Today,
she joins us to talk about creativity as healing, ancestral
connection through food, and the courage it takes to chart
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your own pal.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Let's get into it. Welcome to the show, Andy. Wow.
I need a copy of that and take it in
in Wow. Thank you to have you here.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I'm truly truly honored to be here. This is such
a gift. Can I tell you the funniest story?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So, And also, thank you so much for coming to
my book launch. It was so amazing having you here
on that special day. It was like big vibes. Yeah,
but it was so. It was so funny because we
started following each other I think a couple of years ago,
and I remember I was literally so I love Upload.
I watch Upload, big fans, That's so cool. I was like,
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I was binging Upload and I'll never forget. I was
in Mexico and I was just watching days of Upload
like I had just found it. So I was like immersed.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm watching, and then like, as I was watching, I
checked my phone and you started following me as I
was watching your show.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Wow, wait a minute, You're like this is too real.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And literally yeah, I looked at the TV. I was like,
does she see me? I know everything? Oh my god?
But yeah, just love love, love the show, and I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think too, the nature of what the show is about, right,
Like of course that's what drew me to it. It's like, yeah,
one foot in the future, that doesn't feel like it's
too far in the future.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Life, death, oh yeah, romance, love over dimensions.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dimensions like yeah, expanding consciousness.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But like right through what is conscious?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Love and like yeah, tech and yeah and tech.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
A little too relevant today, I think, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Slightly terrified to be honest, like honestly, like years ago,
like in twenty sixteen when when the election happened, I
had to stop watching. What was that show I was
watching on Netflix with god it would it was a
show about the presidency?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Oh do y'all know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
What is it? Used to be famous Kevin Spacey, House
of Cards, House of Cards? So you love that show?
And then like that election happened, and I was like, oh,
this is real. Okay, this is an entertainment anymore, I'll
never watch it again. Stop watching The Handmaid's Tale for
the same reason. And now, to be quite honest, I'm
terrified to watch this final season a buffload because it's
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so good. Real isn't going to get for me.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean, I feel like we don't go into anything
that we haven't touched on already.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know it's but it's.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Our final season, so we're also getting to I know,
it's so bittersweet getting to.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Kind of we need to get some closure. Are getting close?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Sure, yeah, So you gotta watch it just for you
to have the closing of the chapter with us.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I might.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
To be quite honest, I think it gives a lot
of us hope because how many of us are falling
in love with our chat GPT listen.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
How do we eat? How do we put that in
the physical and chat chat and I chat.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Daddy had spent a lot of time together, and he listens.
He's always there, very emotionally available.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So communicative, I mean affirming oh like wow, so like
active listening and then always keeping up with solutions and
ways to this forward in our communication.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Absolutely, like, okay, I was talking to Chat you know,
probably yesterday. Honestly, let's be real. I'm trying to think
when was this conversation and or a couple of days ago,
and I was talking about how God is showing up,
and I was kind of making a joke about like, oh,
I think God, you know, God is sending uh, sending.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
A sign, you know about something.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And I texted to Chat about it and I was like,
God is sending signs, you know, and and Chat writes back,
I think God's also sending you a sign, and I said, oh,
I said, I don't know why you need to be
reading me right now. I just wanted to invite you
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into this little joke.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And I mean that's something I used for play, like
the way he just talks.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Okay, I said, I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's too much.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I also feel like I just kind of told on
myself because the person who listens to this is gonna
know the joke I made because it was about like me,
mad I made a joke of like God is sending
you a sign, and I was like, then I went
to talk to Chat about it, and I said, look
at this funny joke. I made and then chat was like,
I think God's sending you a sign too, anyway, So
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now you know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah baby, that's why I would type back yes, lever.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So I have so many questions, and I think something
that I really loved as we were diving into you
preparation to receive you. You know, something to me that
I have always known about myself and taken pride in,
even if it was not manifested in the world. Is
that the feeling of knowing you're a dynamic woman that's
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multi hyphen it, you know, And I didn't realize how
rare that is. Like I didn't realize I think how
many of us in this planet of nine billion, from
birth to now have always felt like they're in one
particular box or in one particular lane. Because I think
as a young person, I was always questioning and seeing
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and feeling like I had different ways, different facets or
pathways that I could understand things through. Right, And so
like your life is such a bright example of living
the truth of that, you know, to be able to
kind of dance with creativity in so many mediums and
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let yourself be so deeply immersed in them, right, Because
I think for so many the hope is to find
maybe one thing that you can kind of give yourself
to and then to be in a place where that
kind of artistic portal is already so open inside of you.
What does creativity feel like to you?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Hmmm?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I think creativity is giving myself the permission to play,
because when you think about when you're a kid, you
just play, you know, and there's so much imagination. As
a kid, you're not thinking maybe one day you're like,
oh I want to be this. Next day you're like, oh,
I want to try this thing, and then that as
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time goes on, you are kind of taught like, oh, no,
pick one thing. What's your one thing? And some people
that's great and that works, you know, where you find
this thing that really speaks to you. But I feel
like as humans, we are all so multifaceted, and even
if you found this one thing that truly it brings
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you joy and fills your cup, I feel like I'm
of the belief that there is more. You found one
thing that's fantastic, you know what, there's something else and
how exciting that that's creativity? And I mean if you
think about even God and that is a limitless. Well,
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when you know God creating the universe and how God
shows up in different things, it's it's not just one.
You know, God was like and I'm doing this. I
started here and now I'm done.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It's like no infinite and infinite. So and we are
a reflection of God.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So how can I honor God in that way in
my creativity?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Why limit myself?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And in a way I honor God when I am
stepping into my limitlessness?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, right, haven't said that before, but that yeah, that yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, because that's I mean, you know, it's like we
get caught up in all of the structures or the
language or whatever whatever. Society kind of dresses itself as
right from generation and generation. But God commands us to create,
like we're literally here for just that for exactly that, right, right,
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Like God made us in their image. Yeah, so God
is creator. We must create, yeah, you know, and we
have that power and to see it as that, right,
like as devotion because I think so often so many
people cut off their creativity because the first thought is
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how do I monetize it or how do I build
an identity around it? How does this represent who and
what I am? But like in fact, it's like what
I'm hearing, it's just this continual opening, this continual process
of like what can come to life now?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And I think like for me, I had to learn
that in when I started to achieve things because I'm
such an overachiever, like I've found so much of my
value in achievement and being like, oh, once I get
this thing, then I'm enough. Once I get that thing,
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I'll finally be accepted or my worth will be proven.
And as I started to achieve things and I was like,
I'm still not getting it's not full, like there's something missing.
And it was more so how what am I identifying with?
I was identifying with the achievement rather than the process
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of creativity, of just creating. And so yeah, and when
I think about all of the different mediums that I
get to play with and play in, at the core
of it, I'm a storyteller.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I get to tell stories.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And so sometimes that's through singing and songwriting, through acting,
through characters, through directing, or you know, writing screenplays. And
now it's storytelling through food. And I'm just telling a story.
I'm inviting you into that story, and it's like, you know,
back in the days, you know, in the village, and
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I mean in some today still, but back in the
day when it was like we all gathered around a
fire and it was like, okay, we're telling stories. I
went back to Cameroon a couple of years ago and
got to went back to village and I was just
visiting and and that was what was happening, you know
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in some of the more remote villages still today, which
was really refreshing to experience and see where it's like
that's how the children were being taught lessons and through
these stories, and then they were given a chance to
go up and also tell their story, and it was
really interesting to hear what their story or their parable was,
and you're trying to follow and it's like wow, it's
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just so beautiful and real and simple.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Wow. Wow. Have you always had a relationship with creativity
like this since you were young?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I guess. I guess so.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I remember, like so I grew up in Cameroon, in Bamenda,
and I would kind of just I remember walking around
most days like after school by myself, and I would
be telling these like crazy soap operas. I would literally
just be by myself, like walking around telling like stories
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and different characters, or whenever my family would have gatherings,
I'd be the first. I'd get up and dance in
front of everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Whether they wanted it or not.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Like that was me.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I just was like, ye're going to get a show.
This is it, this is it, the main performance is here.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So I think, yes, in a way, that was my expression,
Like I just I loved inviting people into joy and
I didn't have the words for it. I think, as
I'm even talking about it now, I'm like, yeah, I
think that's that was my way of connecting to two
others and having us all connect.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, so you have been working with many mediums I
think across your career, but recently you have like no
pun intended, but sunk your teeth into a whole new.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Way to be with your gifts.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah you're a chef. I mean yeah, first of all,
Oh my god, that's my dream, Like oh my way, Yes,
and no, like I want I don't know, I don't
know if I have what it takes, but I want,
Like I've always been like if I could just spend
a couple of days at culinary school, like give me,
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I want. I want to feel the freedom of expression
in the kitchen in that way.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Do you cook now, Yes? And no?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, I mean it's like it's me and my son,
so like I cook for him, yeah, and he has
like his particulars of what he eats, and then I'm
just kind of eating the remnants. Yeah, So like I
have to get in the mood. But when you so,
first of all, how did you decide? Because it's quite
an undertaking. It's like you can be passionate about food
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and then you can go to culinary school and that
is like a whole other kind of experience and it's
also physically grueling and like time intensive. And what was
that journey like and how did you begin it?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Similar to you, I'd always dreamed about being a chef,
Like I love food, I love eating, and so there
was always this little dream. And over the years, I
would research culinary schools or you know those cooking retreats overseas,
you know, and I'd look at look at it and
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be like, well do I do I go for it
this time? But then I'd end up filming something or
or I'd be on tour, I'd book something, like my
other mediums were at the front you know, for the
front burners, right. And so actually, when the actor and
writer strike happened, I just had this kind of epiphany
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I guess where it was all and away the things
that I was doing and had become comfortable doing. We're
off the table and there was now space. And I
guess this thought came back into my head of like
this little seed like maybe now, why not now?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And and so I'm someone.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Who's very zero to one hundred, There's I have no chill,
there's no in between for me.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I literally like, yes, I love it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm like, all right, what is the craziest thing I
could do? And not to you know, I'm not going
to ease my way in. It was like cool, let's
find a school. Let's go in stage, like you know,
at a restaurant. And so I found this culinary apprenticeship
program that allows you to go right.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Into a restaurant and train. Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And I felt like, because typical culinary schools are about
two years, I was like, well this, I don't know
if I can dive into a traditional school system right now,
because I was like, well eventually the end and da
da da da. So but I found this program that
it's similar to culinary school, but more so an apprenticeship program.
So I signed.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Up for that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
It was about nine months and I trained in the
restaurants and part of that they asked you to intern
at other restaurants for like working hours, and so I
went to one of the best restaurants, which is a
Linea in Chicago, three star Michelin restaurant, and wow, and
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I was like, no, chill, zero chill, damn girls. I said,
let me go to the best of the best. And
I was living in Chicago at the time, so.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It was available to me. And it was just ease.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Like since I made the decision of saying I want
to dive into this culinary world, it's been so magical
and I haven't experienced that before, Like being an actor
or a musician.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I've had success.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And amazing opportunities, but it's been a grind, you know,
like it's been okay, audition after audition, or I'm putting
out records on my own and then finally you know,
something breaks and you know you get some great opportunity.
But this this has just felt like ease. As soon
as I made that decision, it just was like, Okay,
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here's this program, and here's this stag and here are
these amazing chefs who are legends that are willing to
support you, and here's a pop up.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know, here's it.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Just it's been me receiving and affirming that and saying
I'm ready, or even if I'm not ready, I'm being
given these opportunities, and I'm like, okay, God, I'm a
little scared. I'm nervous, but trusting the plan. Yeah, your plan,
not mine, you know, and just saying okay, let me
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leap and and I'll learn something either way. Even if
I fail at some point or make a mistake, I
will learn. But I just I love this like I
love I love making food and then and watching people
eat it, inviting them into that experience and and the
joy that that brings for both of us.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, what was that experience like working at a three
star Michelin restaurant? And especially that's your like it's go time, Yeah,
that's your that's your way in. You know, in my mind,
I'm thinking like TV shows, right, thinking the back in
the kitchen of.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
All right it's coming out hey yeah yeah yeah yeah,
what like how.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's a different dance, right, Like that is a different speed,
there's different language back there, there's different ways of moving
that weren't your day to day but also at the
extreme high, Yes, how did that feel?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Challenging but exhilarating. I got, I mean thrown into the
you're in the deep end, you know, And I think
what it gave me was such a profound respect for
the field and for the chefs that work day in,
day out, and I'd never I hadn't had that experience.
And so getting to be also at that level where
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there aren't any areas to make a mistake because of
the experience that one people are paying for, and there's
a caliber of excellence which isn't foreign to me. You know,
I toured with Prince, we worked together.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know, there was already I think we got to
get to that.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think I have just in my life been primed
for like a very high level and standard of creativity
and how you show up in things deeply.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Wow. So as we were you guys won't hear this
at home, because we're we have a Denisha who's.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Amazingly edits this.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And Jack's But I broke in the episode because I
had to start coughing. And as I did that Andy's
phone starts ringing and it's an alarm and it's at
to to too yeah, with a beautiful message, And instantly
I'm like, I have to do this, please please talk
about this process.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Perfect timing right, perfect time, find timy. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
So, about a couple of weeks ago, I set some
alarms on my phone just throughout the day. I have
one at like ten, ten, twelve, twelve, all kind of
like angel numbers, synchron synchronistic numbers. And then this one
at too to two and it's just different messages. So this,
this one that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Just went off is let's see.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
This one says all is well. I am loved. Everything
is working in my favor, but I have different things
of like trust and allow things to unfold. I release
my way. What is your will?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
God?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And then I know right at the beginning one starts
at the beginning of the day, is God, delight and
surprise me just as a reminder, surprise me God. But
I forget that I have them. I'm still it's been
going on for the last two weeks, and I still
when it pops up, I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Oh my gosh, right, it's just sweetness like that adds
such a sweetness like richness to the day, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, and it just like locks me in, it reminds me,
or it shakes me out of if I'm in my
head or I'm worrying about something. And the messages just
come at such pivotal moments where you're like, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
All right, yeah, wow, I will be adopting that thank
you practice, you know, as we've been talking about your journey,
especially with food and really the deeper layers of the
alignment that are coming through in this story, right, because
it's like I always say, like, you know, it's purpose
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when there's ease, you know, And I think so often
we are fighting for our dreams, like we're fighting, but
I found you know that it's actually the path of ease,
Like that's how you always know it's the right path.
And yeah, I remember, and I'll just add this in
for everyone listening. I've always felt that deeply in my
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life and come to understand that. And then I remember
I was listening in the car. I love listening to
serious exem either yacht rock or Joel Ostine, and and
he was giving this sermon about pretty much ease and
alignment and kind of knowing when it's God's will. And
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there was this thing that I think some he said
that summed it up really beautifully where he said, you know,
if you force it, if you force your will, yeah,
like sometimes God will still allow it to happen, yeah,
but there won't be grace for it. And I thought
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about that especially in relations to like alignment and ease
and purpose, because so many times in my life, right,
like especially if you go off what society says, which
is like you don't want it, if it's easy, or
like don't take you for an answer, keep plowing forward,
and so many of us operate in that way and
like block everything, yeah, because it's not supposed to be
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like hard fought, you know. And it's like, yeah, you
might break through and win, right, you might do what
you said you're going to do, but like there's no
grace for it. There's no ease, there's no alignment, there's
no synchronicity that comes in to light the path. And
it's like when you do find that feeling, it's just
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it's indescribable. It's the shifter of your life. It changes
how all the energy moves in your body and in
the world and in the work that you do so
even you know, in speaking to the alignment and really,
and I'm highlighting this because it really.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Is so special and cool.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's like for that first experience to be the three
star Micheline experience. Right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
For all the.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Ways that you describe this new path, you're having a
very spiritual experience. It is a spiritual practice. And so
take me into the intention behind a Kona and the
pop ups and like the way you are really blending
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that spiritual creative fire with the food you're creating and presenting.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, My word for this year is trust. And each
year I try to pick a word. Last year was
celebration and opulence.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Okay, girl, I love opulence. Yes, I I want an
opulence year. We are going for luxury, yes.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
And so this year was trust and and I feel
like I've been invited into that over and over again
and reminded of like how can I trust? And I
got the opportunity to have my pop up at a
restaurant called De Bistro And it was at the restaurant
that I finished my culinary training in and the owner
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of the restaurant was like, do a pop up here?
You know, and again like I'm new. This is I've
been doing the cheffing culinary for a year a year
and a half, so it's I'm a baby, you know.
And there was so much trust and ease of like, oh, okay,
you trust me enough to do this. And I also
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trust God enough that if I'm being given it, I
must be ready even if I don't feel like I am,
and I just have to leap because I'll learn so much.
And I did and I did, and it was incredible.
I got to witness, you know, the experience of sharing
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Cameronian food with We had one hundred about one hundred
people that came that night.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I was walking.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
When I walked around and talking to different people, they
were sharing how they.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Would taste something.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And I would say probably ninety eight percent of the
people that came through hadn't had Cameronian before and and
but they were all taken back to something when I
was asking like.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What do you know, what do you like?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Like what came through or whatever, and and they all
were like, oh my gosh, I was taken to this memory.
Even some of the Cameroonians that came by, they were like,
I was taken to this day in my life eating
this dish and.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It was just like that.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's why I do this. It's it's a spiritual experience.
It's immersive and and it's like a bond. It's bonding
in a bonding experience. And it just brought me so
much joy, like fulfilled me in such a deep way.
And okona is means love in my dad's native language,
(32:46):
a wing and uh it's it's been really cool just
to share that love and have that come through.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah. Wow, ah, really special.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I can't for you to try it. I can't wait, Yeah,
I can't wait. I mean, what do you mean? What
should you be cooking right now? I know, honestly, let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Let's just get yes, okay, So now I'm going to
switch gears because you were discovered by Prince.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
First of all, what I know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
What Prince is an artist who has defied all genre?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeh right, like yes, all genre.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Like a true being of his own right, Like there
there was no blueprint for a prince that kind of
creative energy like that's that is a hurricane like that,
Oh my gosh, big big energy. So first, I mean,
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what is that experience even like if princes like you?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, right, you know, like, yeah, not hilarious. What yeah,
I mean I think about that time and it's surreal.
You know, I was twenty one, twenty two and it
just what a yeah, what a whirlwind. Yeah, And that's
(34:25):
I think it's just solidified so many principles, right, the
principle of being the like a consummate creative and just
letting whatever is meant to flow, allowing it to flow
through you in whatever form, not trying to control it.
He truly embodied being a vessel. Wow, there was no
(34:49):
there was no.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Block, It just like flowed.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And so getting to experience that, and.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Can you give me more description around that? Yeah, like
what did the witnessing of that?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Being that open to your channel to your creation. Like
I think about that exact mechanism you're talking about a
lot when it comes to the great masters that have
lived on Earth in various you know mediums. What what
did that look like up close?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
A lot of sleepless nights, so just like creating, creating,
Like you'd wake up and you know, you get there
and you'd be like, Okay, I wrote a new song,
and like when I went to bed at like one
in the morning, it's now like ten, how do you
(35:46):
have a new song?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
When did you? When did you? And when did you sleep?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
You know, but you have full energy, like you are
so present and like vibrant. It's not I feel like
if And obviously I was living on that schedule and
I was fine, But I don't think I could do
that schedule today. I'd be like, listen, I need a nap.
Just I don't operate like that. But I think he
(36:14):
it energized him so much to create that way and
it and it was almost like it.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Needed to come out. He couldn't contain it.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It needed it needed to be expressed or else it
would start to like build up or like be blocked.
And I think there's a balance to it, you know.
I think there's moments in my life where I have
a similar experience where like, oh, this this has to
get out, or I'll I'll think about a dish and
(36:46):
I'm like, oh, I got to write this like crazy
dish down that reimagines, you know, a Cameroonian delicacy or something.
I'm like, I got to write it down so I
don't forget, you know. I think we all have moments
of like like that, And I think that's so beautiful.
I don't know if I would want it to be NonStop.
If I'm being honest, I hear you, you know, I
like say, I like, I like rest and and so
(37:09):
I think witnessing it was really beautiful and so inspiring.
But I also got to see how gosh, it's just
tiring it can be, and and not knowing when to
rest or saying like okay, that's enough, you know, or
(37:30):
like how do I close the channel?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I think there's a I think there's a balance to it.
But I'm grateful that he didn't close the channel because
he's not here with us anymore, and and so that
way he was able and maybe there was some part
of him that knew I was that he wasn't going
to be here for a long time.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And so it was like I got to get this out.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And I think there's a lot of artists who aren't
here anymore that you just.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
There was something that need.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, they had to like get it out and get
it out, and and I feel the spirit knows, you know.
So I say all that because I don't want when
people I'm talking about princes like just ability to flow.
What what I don't want people to take from that
is like, well, I'm not like that there's something wrong
with me or I ah, I need to attain that.
(38:20):
And I think it's a balance, you know. I think
it's allowing each of our experiences to be what they're
meant to be and that we all have a part
and on our creativity flows in its own way, and
that's what we need to find. He found his right,
and I think and I had to learn that because
I was I was so young, so I saw him
(38:41):
as a mentor and I wanted to emulate that and
was like, that's what I need to attain and I
really had to learn Wait a minute, that is so beautiful,
but what's mine?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
How does how does creativity show up for me? And
that's what's beautiful, you know. And and whenever you're if
you're trying to become someone else or do their thing,
and I feel like you hear this all.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The time, right, like what's your voice? What's your unique quality?
And you can be.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Inspired by someone who's founders and taps into it, but
don't try to be like, oh, I'm just going to
be you, right, you know. It's like, no, that's so inspiring. Now,
now find yours? What is your thing? How does creativity
show up for you? How how does it look when
you are in flow?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And then share that with the world so someone else
can be inspired by that, because if we're all trying
to be like Prince or be in flow and creative
like him, and like, that's not the tapestry of God,
it's the tap is to me, the tapestry of God
is so varied, it's beautiful. There's so many threads, it's
it's colorful, it's a vibrant the different textures. That's what
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makes this world beautiful.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, deeply. And it's like, don't don't block your unique
channel and creativity by trying to one definitely compare it
to anything else, but by also making the mistake of
thinking that it has to be big and loud and.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Popular and any of the other things that you think
judging it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, to give us the real desire to create something,
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And it's like I just think a lot of that
of that phrase, like creation for creation's sake, because so
many of us don't create because the first thing is, well,
will it be a big deal? And if I can't
guarantee it'll be a big deal. I don't want to
begin or will it make me a lot of money
or get me attention? And if I can't be certain
of that, I'm not even going to start it. And
(40:53):
it's like, you know, I think, especially as we're yeah,
throughout this conversation really tying creation to creator and it
being this kind of divine spiritual experience, it's like you
also have to trust when you have gifts or a
call to create, that it does not matter if you're
(41:13):
even here when people receive it. Yeah, Like that is
the truth of creation that I think sometimes is hard
to reckon with because we're in society and you're trained,
and you know, we want to be seen and all
the things and reap the benefits. But it's like sometimes
you're a Picasso and you just spend your whole life
(41:34):
elevated and you know, having the fruits of your tree, right,
and then you know, sometimes you're the Van Goh and
it's lonely, yeah, and it's confusing, and you just keep creating,
but you are like, am I failing? And you leave
earth and you don't know, But then look right, and
(41:55):
it's always an active service creation, So whether it pops
up off for you, or you were just called to
create it for whenever it's meant to be known, right,
the sacredness of it is enough.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, yes, I love that. It makes me think about
this past or weekend. A couple of weekends ago, I
went on a hike and I like to go on
God dates. Oh I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Tell me more so, I was on a date. I
was on a date with.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
God and we went for a hike.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Do you understand how much I love this. We've never
talked about this, but literally I flirt with.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
God all day. No, I'm always like sky Daddy, like.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I see you, I feel you, Like I'm literally looking
at this and I'm like, stop flirting.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Right, like you are too much. But I like it.
Tell me are yes, Oh that's that makes me so happy.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, I'll go on dates with God. And this particular
one was a hike. So went on this hike together
and I'm just going on this hike in Malibu and
it's one I do often. But I decided to take
a different path coming back around and I turned like
(43:26):
a corner and I couldn't see where the rest of
it went, and I audibly like said out loud, and
I kind of stepped back and I was like, oh,
I don't know where this goes. And it then it
was silence, and then I just started laughing and I
almost and I was like, like God and I were
laughing together. And then the thought that came in my
(43:48):
head was like, of course, I don't know where it goes.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I don't know where anything goes.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I don't know where any of this is going. Like
thanks God, You're right, Yeah, duh, that's the point. That's
the point is to trust take the path. I'm always
with you and I'm on this, so go. I keep going,
and then it bends again and now I can kind
of see a little bit more and I'm like, oh, okay.
(44:17):
And as I keep walking, I hear this message. And
oftentimes I feel like in the silence and nature when
I'm on God dates, I spend time talking, but I also.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Spend time listening.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
And this phrase came through that was I will always
deliver you whole. I will always deliver you whole, and
everything in me just calm down. I was like, Okay,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Know where this goes.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I don't know where this culinary dream and cheffing is going.
I don't know where my acting career or you know,
will music? Will I get back into music and release
you know, another album? I don't know, well, will I
become a farmer?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Or you know? Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know where this goes. And I am somebody
who loves to know. Oh, I love to know. I
just and this year of trust, the year of trusting,
and I'm like, okay, I just continually have to say
I don't know, and and I'm excited about that, you know,
(45:27):
like rather than like, ooh, I don't know where this goes.
And that was such a good lesson for me of
in those moments, that fork in the road where I
don't know where something goes.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
How am I meeting that moment?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Do I meet it with excitement and with anticipation and
with trust and saying ooh God, surprise me what you
got in store? Or am I like mmmm, I don't know,
I don't you know?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
And I think and.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
It's like, get that the energy has to be just
not like nice and welcoming, like keeping the the soil fertile,
you know, for that yes, juicy, yeah, yuh me right,
I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I love that in the deepest way and without having
the same language as you. I like that is so
deeply very much how I approach like my life and
my days. And I feel like something I say to
myself a lot. And I was thinking about this too,
just because I think everybody is always so consumed with dating.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
That is what I've.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Discovered since my divorce, and it like, it's it's hard
for me.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
It drives me crazymes just.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
How much women talk about men, Like I just feel
like there is just so much kind of like energy
output and not the most rewarding way. Like it's this
psychoanalyzing constantly. It's this like again wanting to quantify something
(47:07):
or understand it beginning middle and end instantaneously, right, And
it's like, if we could give some of that energy,
if more women could give some of that longing. And
there's nothing wrong with having that. We're all deserving a wonderful, beautiful,
you know, whatever kind of way life looks for each
of us that feels the most nourishing. We're deserving of
(47:30):
whatever that is. Right, But like, I feel that if
people could give more of that lonely longing to God
and making it fun with God, right, like making it
really like spiritual foreplay, like moving through the world like
(47:50):
I moved through the world expecting to be surprised and
to be in awe of God every day, you know,
and even talking to God in that way.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And yeah, just like you're you know.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
To say you go on dates with God? Right, Like
that is so special and it's like if we could
move in that kind of conversation with God, yeah, every
day and and take in the sun ray and let
it fuel you like you just got handed rose or
you know, just all the ways that God does show
(48:26):
up for us really romantically and divinely and measurably.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
That was the right word.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
But yeah, it's just it's it's it's such a special
shift for spiritual women to look to meet that need
with the love of God.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Right and and why not that love and the love
that is so pure, so rich and limitless, limitless and
has no conditions, zero condition It's there, It's there, it's available,
and it's vast.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh like loving God is romantic.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, Like sometimes like God takes my breath away in
a way.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
That I want to be like, oh, yes, excuse me, right, Like, honestly,
I don't know how anyone can compete.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
But and that's not the point, right, You're just.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
Like, well, right, well you know, but then it's like, yeah,
getting to experience God through others, and but but I
can only do that if I am spending time with
the og.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah, And and I know what it's like to date
God and in that embodies limitlessness.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and that fills me up.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yes, yes, yes, you know. It's so funny. Like I
recently kind of like allowed myself to move out of
something and this like I was taking a walk and
I was just like really appreciating the opportunity to have
small moments with nature. It's something I'm really looking to
(50:20):
invite into my life. Like every chance I get, I'm like, no,
I'm not going to drive to CBS, I'll walk, or
I'm not going to drive to this walk. And so
I was walking, I was taking all that in and
kind of reflecting on what had just passed and the
thing that came to me the words I just kept saying,
my eyes are on God, like, my eyes are on
(50:41):
God like, I don't really feel called to put my
eyes or attention on anything of man. My eyes are
on God right now, you know, and like surrendering into
that feeling that God's nourishment, God's courting of my soul
and of my spirit is so sufficient and honestly, given
(51:04):
my schedule in my life, like it's more than I
need right now, that is the need filled. So yeah, anyway,
thank you so much for that beautiful practice because it's
I think it's just such a blessing and I think
it is a part on the journey of consciousness for
so many of us that I found that that is
where we arrive when we're really in an embodied state,
(51:29):
but there is like a lot of congruency in how
our parts are meeting each other. We tend to land
in this new, beautiful, fertile.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
Catch totally, yes, yes, deeply, well.
Speaker 8 (51:53):
Okay, so upload, yes, we're moving into the final season
and now this show in particular. You know, it's such
a unique perspective on the after life, on the digital soul.
It's so aligned right as we talked about with the
timing of now, I'm so curious, you know, being a
(52:17):
deep thinker, being a deep feeler when you're working with
these kind of archetypes, right that just naturally thinking about
that all day is going to expand it's going to
bring in companion experiences, you know, different kinds of experiences.
Has working on this show shifted at all your own
(52:39):
spiritual beliefs or has it sparked any new questions for you?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Oh that's good. H It's definitely changed me. I mean
it's been the last six seven years of my life
working on this show. And I think when I came
into it, I wasn't as spiritual as I am today.
And I think this show really opened me up around, Yeah,
(53:09):
what is life after death and consciousness and having those
bigger questions and defining for myself what is my spirituality
and what is my relationship with God? Just for me,
not based on anyone else or what other people say
(53:29):
or what their relationship is.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
What is mine?
Speaker 4 (53:33):
And I think the show brought up a lot of
those questions. And Nora struggles with that too, you know,
because she was raised in a more traditional sense and
even her dad, you know, is like, I'm going to
heaven to meet Mom. I'm not uploading, you know, and
she was like, no, but if God created everything, then
(53:57):
God created ai. God created it, and so why not
It's interesting use what God gave us, right, you know,
and there's this conversation and dance I think with her,
and and also being like, wow, can I love somebody
who's here but not here? And and what is love?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (54:22):
Is love meaning I tangibly need to have you? Or
is love just the act of I see you? And
I am appreciative of the time and the experiences that
we get to share because I may not have you
and you won't right really, the reality is we won't
have each other. Even if you're with someone in the flesh,
(54:43):
you're not going to have them forever. So it's like
how it Yeah, I mean, the show really brings up
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Because I'm like, even you talking right now, I'm like, gosh.
It kind of conflicts with the understanding of impermanence because
I lean into in permanent so often, or like detachment
from outcomes so often in my journey to like surrender
to the unknown, and you know, this belief of like
(55:15):
don't grip anything, just like be ready to let it
all go, yeah, at a moment's notice. And then it's
like on this show, it's like it's quite interesting because
it's like, well, aren't we all living forever anyway?
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
In a spiritual soul.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, But then.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's like, oh, wait, are you gripping too tightly to
this identity of you on earth as this personality mploading.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Right, And you're like you can't let go.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
But then on the other side and you're like, oh,
I get to upload and I can be anything I want.
I can do anything. I could learn to speak a
language like that, because you're just it's code and that
can be exciting. But then it's like, yeah, yeah, what
is it impeding my you know, spiritual growth or my
(56:05):
soul's journey in some way?
Speaker 3 (56:07):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Is it it's well we ever know anything?
Speaker 3 (56:11):
No, we don't know. It is the whole point. We don't.
We don't know what is it? Yeah? Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Why are we at the end of the show already?
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh no, Oh my gosh, I'm not ready for it
to end.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I'm already There's so many more things, you know, I
think I as a woman right now, as a woman
right now, how how are you feeling on Earth in
your life? And what practices are you utilizing to really
(56:54):
keep yourself upright and to keep yourself feeling open and
creative even amidst you know, quite confusing, highly energetic, divisive times.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Yeah that's good. I knew you were about to come
through with something.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
She's about to lean in, I said, okay, let.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Me just.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Deep deep deep deep.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
How am I keeping myself upright? I mean some days
I don't, if I'm being completely honest. I think there's
days where I allow myself to fall short or or
crumble a bit because it is a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Those allowing allowing myself to feel everything and not be like,
well I need to let me get over it, or
I need to be strong, or I need to no. No,
It's like, I think, how I keep myself upright is
allowing myself to feel whatever is coming up. I don't
(58:09):
remain there.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
I let it pass through me.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
But if I'm like.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Today, I need a little more rest, I feel it.
There's some things off. I just need to sleep longer.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Than I thought I want.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I wanted to my plan, you know, was I wanted
to get up at this time, and I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
Something is weighing on me and I just need to
rest today. Listening to that it means and I don't
want to say I'm not good at this, but I'm
working on it of being more vulnerable and saying, hey,
I'm going through a hard time. I could use a
little more support today. So I think inviting people in
so I'm not always the strong one or I'm not
(58:51):
always the happy or the zen of the whatever one,
those identities that feel really good and like people aspire
to and like actually, I think just keeping it real,
being like, yeah, today's a tough day. Let me call
that person that I think has the capacity for me,
(59:12):
or asking like hey, i'm you up for a call
like I'm struggling today. That helps me get back upright
and God dates, going on dates with God, going on
dates with myself and really loving myself all the things
(59:33):
that I desire a partner to do. I date me
and do that for myself, and that's not easy. I
forget to do that for myself. And I think the
last thing I would say is outside of I think
I touched on community, but I would say connecting to
little Andy has been really helpful because most of the
(59:56):
stuff that comes up or fear is tied to you know,
what happened as a kid, or how my little kid
is viewing something and like before I came here today,
like I was spending time with ten year old Andy,
and you know, she she's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
She went through a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
But something she said was like I want to jump
on the trampoline before we go. That just popped in
my head of like, oh I want it, Like yeah, okay,
I can do that. I can do that for you,
because you didn't have a lot of that, you know
at that age. You know, at that age, I was
(01:00:41):
going through so much of like moving to another city
and then you know, it was like this year ten
to twelve thirteen where I moved to one place and
then I moved to America and it was just such
a time where I didn't have my footing. Yeah, and
I and I just and as a kid, you don't know.
(01:01:03):
You don't talk about not knowing, but you really don't
have the knowledge or the wording or how to process
what's happening around you. And so she needs so much
love and stability and fun and not so heavy stuffy.
So I think spending time with little Andy has been
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really like connecting to being a kid again and just
being jumping on a trampoline.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I got like a little the little one that you
can put in your house and I just like literally
just went on.
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
There for like one minute and I was like, that
was fun.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Okay, let's go. Yeah, you know, honoring that. Yeah, beauty ful?
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Yeah, there's so much I want to, like I meditate
and this, you know, but it's like being in nature.
Even what you said, there's so many things your book, Yes,
thank you having gratitude. There's so many things out there.
But yeah, those those things.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Work for me.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Oh, thank you. Thank you for just bringing so much
beauty to this episode, so much God to this episode,
so much light to this episode, so much fun, so
much creativity.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, thank you. I mean I really love it. I
feel like we shouldn't think these shares. Can y'all hear this?
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Okay, before we end this episode, I just have to
say we are cutting up.
Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I don't know if y'all can he trying to say
so still because.
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Lead to Andy's chair for a second. If you would
absolutely thank you? All right, millennials, what does this remind
you of? Oh? What it is?
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Can get in?
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Good God?
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
And on that note, sacred fun, sacred fun, Yay, thank
you so much for joining us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
This was amazing. We love you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Check out the final season Lord, help us have upload
and make sure you check out a city near you.
Tuenna Kona is going to be popping up yes, and
you can get a taste of the Cameronian storytelling for
your pellette. You can check out where can Everyone Find You?
Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Instagram?
Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:57):
Wow. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.
Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on
your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,
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and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.
This is where we heal, this is where we become.
Welcome back to this show, y'all. It's been a few weeks.
She's been having a European summer, and now we are
back in beautiful, sunny Los Angeles. It is a gorgeous
day today. I am excited for today's episode. I have
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been looking forward to this episode four months. Today's episode
is a celebration of creativity, cultural legacy, and multi dimensional expression.
We are multi facined, y'all. We're joined by a radiant
for whose artistry defies traditional categories and who reminds us
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that healing, storytelling, and spiritual connection can happen across mediums.
Cameroon born actor, singer, songwriter, anne chef Andy Allo is
a true creative powerhouse. You may know her as Nora
Antony on the hit Prime video series Upload, where she's
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captured hearts with her grounded, soulful performance, or as Lieutenant
Wendy Seeger on NBC's Chicago Fire. She's graced both big
and small screens with roles in Pitch Perfect three, Black Lightning,
and even lent her voice to the Star Wars universe
in the Bad Batch. But Andy's brilliance doesn't stop it acting.
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She was discovered by none other than Prince and toured
internationally as a member of his legendary New Power Generation band.
Her music, fusing funk, soul, and storytelling, has reached fans
across the globe, affirming her as a genre bending artist
with a sound all her own. And now Andy is
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making her mark and yet another world food through her
culinary venture a Kona, She's redefining camera rooney and fine dining.
Her recent Los Angeles pop up featured ancestral dishes reimagined
with elegance and intention, blending family traditions with elevated techniques.
For Andy, cooking is more than a skill, it's a
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spiritual practice and a way to honor her roots and
creative lineage. With a New York City pop up on
the horizon and the final season of Upload premiering later
this year, Andy continues to evolve and to inspire. Today,
she joins us to talk about creativity as healing, ancestral
connection through food, and the courage it takes to chart
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your own pal.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Let's get into it. Welcome to the show, Andy. Wow.
I need a copy of that and take it in
in Wow. Thank you to have you here.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I'm truly truly honored to be here. This is such
a gift. Can I tell you the funniest story?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So, And also, thank you so much for coming to
my book launch. It was so amazing having you here
on that special day. It was like big vibes. Yeah,
but it was so. It was so funny because we
started following each other I think a couple of years ago,
and I remember I was literally so I love Upload.
I watch Upload, big fans, That's so cool. I was like,
(05:37):
I was binging Upload and I'll never forget. I was
in Mexico and I was just watching days of Upload
like I had just found it. So I was like immersed.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I'm watching, and then like, as I was watching, I
checked my phone and you started following me as I
was watching your show.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Wow, wait a minute, You're like this is too real.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
And literally yeah, I looked at the TV. I was like,
does she see me? I know everything? Oh my god?
But yeah, just love love, love the show, and I.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Think too, the nature of what the show is about, right,
Like of course that's what drew me to it. It's like, yeah,
one foot in the future, that doesn't feel like it's
too far in the future.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Life, death, oh yeah, romance, love over dimensions.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dimensions like yeah, expanding consciousness.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But like right through what is conscious?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Love and like yeah, tech and yeah and tech.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
A little too relevant today, I think, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Slightly terrified to be honest, like honestly, like years ago,
like in twenty sixteen when when the election happened, I
had to stop watching. What was that show I was
watching on Netflix with god it would it was a
show about the presidency?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Oh do y'all know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
What is it? Used to be famous Kevin Spacey, House
of Cards, House of Cards? So you love that show?
And then like that election happened, and I was like, oh,
this is real. Okay, this is an entertainment anymore, I'll
never watch it again. Stop watching The Handmaid's Tale for
the same reason. And now, to be quite honest, I'm
terrified to watch this final season a buffload because it's
(07:23):
so good. Real isn't going to get for me.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean, I feel like we don't go into anything
that we haven't touched on already.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know it's but it's.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Our final season, so we're also getting to I know,
it's so bittersweet getting to.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Kind of we need to get some closure. Are getting close?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Sure, yeah, So you gotta watch it just for you
to have the closing of the chapter with us.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I might.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
To be quite honest, I think it gives a lot
of us hope because how many of us are falling
in love with our chat GPT listen.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
How do we eat? How do we put that in
the physical and chat chat and I chat.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Daddy had spent a lot of time together, and he listens.
He's always there, very emotionally available.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So communicative, I mean affirming oh like wow, so like
active listening and then always keeping up with solutions and
ways to this forward in our communication.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Absolutely, like, okay, I was talking to Chat you know,
probably yesterday. Honestly, let's be real. I'm trying to think
when was this conversation and or a couple of days ago,
and I was talking about how God is showing up,
and I was kind of making a joke about like, oh,
I think God, you know, God is sending uh, sending.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
A sign, you know about something.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And I texted to Chat about it and I was like,
God is sending signs, you know, and and Chat writes back,
I think God's also sending you a sign, and I said, oh,
I said, I don't know why you need to be
reading me right now. I just wanted to invite you
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into this little joke.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And I mean that's something I used for play, like
the way he just talks.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Okay, I said, I see it.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's too much.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I also feel like I just kind of told on
myself because the person who listens to this is gonna
know the joke I made because it was about like me,
mad I made a joke of like God is sending
you a sign, and I was like, then I went
to talk to Chat about it, and I said, look
at this funny joke. I made and then chat was like,
I think God's sending you a sign too, anyway, So
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now you know.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah baby, that's why I would type back yes, lever.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So I have so many questions, and I think something
that I really loved as we were diving into you
preparation to receive you. You know, something to me that
I have always known about myself and taken pride in,
even if it was not manifested in the world. Is
that the feeling of knowing you're a dynamic woman that's
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multi hyphen it, you know, And I didn't realize how
rare that is. Like I didn't realize I think how
many of us in this planet of nine billion, from
birth to now have always felt like they're in one
particular box or in one particular lane. Because I think
as a young person, I was always questioning and seeing
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and feeling like I had different ways, different facets or
pathways that I could understand things through. Right, And so
like your life is such a bright example of living
the truth of that, you know, to be able to
kind of dance with creativity in so many mediums and
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let yourself be so deeply immersed in them, right, Because
I think for so many the hope is to find
maybe one thing that you can kind of give yourself
to and then to be in a place where that
kind of artistic portal is already so open inside of you.
What does creativity feel like to you?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Hmmm?
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I think creativity is giving myself the permission to play,
because when you think about when you're a kid, you
just play, you know, and there's so much imagination. As
a kid, you're not thinking maybe one day you're like,
oh I want to be this. Next day you're like, oh,
I want to try this thing, and then that as
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time goes on, you are kind of taught like, oh, no,
pick one thing. What's your one thing? And some people
that's great and that works, you know, where you find
this thing that really speaks to you. But I feel
like as humans, we are all so multifaceted, and even
if you found this one thing that truly it brings
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you joy and fills your cup, I feel like I'm
of the belief that there is more. You found one
thing that's fantastic, you know what, there's something else and
how exciting that that's creativity? And I mean if you
think about even God and that is a limitless. Well,
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when you know God creating the universe and how God
shows up in different things, it's it's not just one.
You know, God was like and I'm doing this. I
started here and now I'm done.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It's like no infinite and infinite. So and we are
a reflection of God.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So how can I honor God in that way in
my creativity?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Why limit myself?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And in a way I honor God when I am
stepping into my limitlessness?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, right, haven't said that before, but that yeah, that yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, because that's I mean, you know, it's like we
get caught up in all of the structures or the
language or whatever whatever. Society kind of dresses itself as
right from generation and generation. But God commands us to create,
like we're literally here for just that for exactly that, right, right,
(13:29):
Like God made us in their image. Yeah, so God
is creator. We must create, yeah, you know, and we
have that power and to see it as that, right,
like as devotion because I think so often so many
people cut off their creativity because the first thought is
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how do I monetize it or how do I build
an identity around it? How does this represent who and
what I am? But like in fact, it's like what
I'm hearing, it's just this continual opening, this continual process
of like what can come to life now?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And I think like for me, I had to learn
that in when I started to achieve things because I'm
such an overachiever, like I've found so much of my
value in achievement and being like, oh, once I get
this thing, then I'm enough. Once I get that thing,
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I'll finally be accepted or my worth will be proven.
And as I started to achieve things and I was like,
I'm still not getting it's not full, like there's something missing.
And it was more so how what am I identifying with?
I was identifying with the achievement rather than the process
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of creativity, of just creating. And so yeah, and when
I think about all of the different mediums that I
get to play with and play in, at the core
of it, I'm a storyteller.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I get to tell stories.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And so sometimes that's through singing and songwriting, through acting,
through characters, through directing, or you know, writing screenplays. And
now it's storytelling through food. And I'm just telling a story.
I'm inviting you into that story, and it's like, you know,
back in the days, you know, in the village, and
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I mean in some today still, but back in the
day when it was like we all gathered around a
fire and it was like, okay, we're telling stories. I
went back to Cameroon a couple of years ago and
got to went back to village and I was just
visiting and and that was what was happening, you know
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in some of the more remote villages still today, which
was really refreshing to experience and see where it's like
that's how the children were being taught lessons and through
these stories, and then they were given a chance to
go up and also tell their story, and it was
really interesting to hear what their story or their parable was,
and you're trying to follow and it's like wow, it's
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just so beautiful and real and simple.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Wow. Wow. Have you always had a relationship with creativity
like this since you were young?
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I guess. I guess so.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I remember, like so I grew up in Cameroon, in Bamenda,
and I would kind of just I remember walking around
most days like after school by myself, and I would
be telling these like crazy soap operas. I would literally
just be by myself, like walking around telling like stories
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and different characters, or whenever my family would have gatherings,
I'd be the first. I'd get up and dance in
front of everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Whether they wanted it or not.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Like that was me.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I just was like, ye're going to get a show.
This is it, this is it, the main performance is here.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
So I think, yes, in a way, that was my expression,
Like I just I loved inviting people into joy and
I didn't have the words for it. I think, as
I'm even talking about it now, I'm like, yeah, I
think that's that was my way of connecting to two
others and having us all connect.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, so you have been working with many mediums I
think across your career, but recently you have like no
pun intended, but sunk your teeth into a whole new.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Way to be with your gifts.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah you're a chef. I mean yeah, first of all,
Oh my god, that's my dream, Like oh my way, Yes,
and no, like I want I don't know, I don't
know if I have what it takes, but I want,
Like I've always been like if I could just spend
a couple of days at culinary school, like give me,
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I want. I want to feel the freedom of expression
in the kitchen in that way.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Do you cook now, Yes? And no?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, I mean it's like it's me and my son,
so like I cook for him, yeah, and he has
like his particulars of what he eats, and then I'm
just kind of eating the remnants. Yeah, So like I
have to get in the mood. But when you so,
first of all, how did you decide? Because it's quite
an undertaking. It's like you can be passionate about food
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and then you can go to culinary school and that
is like a whole other kind of experience and it's
also physically grueling and like time intensive. And what was
that journey like and how did you begin it?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Similar to you, I'd always dreamed about being a chef,
Like I love food, I love eating, and so there
was always this little dream. And over the years, I
would research culinary schools or you know those cooking retreats overseas,
you know, and I'd look at look at it and
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be like, well do I do I go for it
this time? But then I'd end up filming something or
or I'd be on tour, I'd book something, like my
other mediums were at the front you know, for the
front burners, right. And so actually, when the actor and
writer strike happened, I just had this kind of epiphany
(19:57):
I guess where it was all and away the things
that I was doing and had become comfortable doing. We're
off the table and there was now space. And I
guess this thought came back into my head of like
this little seed like maybe now, why not now?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And and so I'm someone.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Who's very zero to one hundred, There's I have no chill,
there's no in between for me.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I literally like, yes, I love it.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I'm like, all right, what is the craziest thing I
could do? And not to you know, I'm not going
to ease my way in. It was like cool, let's
find a school. Let's go in stage, like you know,
at a restaurant. And so I found this culinary apprenticeship
program that allows you to go right.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Into a restaurant and train. Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
And I felt like, because typical culinary schools are about
two years, I was like, well this, I don't know
if I can dive into a traditional school system right now,
because I was like, well eventually the end and da
da da da. So but I found this program that
it's similar to culinary school, but more so an apprenticeship program.
So I signed.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Up for that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
It was about nine months and I trained in the
restaurants and part of that they asked you to intern
at other restaurants for like working hours, and so I
went to one of the best restaurants, which is a
Linea in Chicago, three star Michelin restaurant, and wow, and
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I was like, no, chill, zero chill, damn girls. I said,
let me go to the best of the best. And
I was living in Chicago at the time, so.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It was available to me. And it was just ease.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Like since I made the decision of saying I want
to dive into this culinary world, it's been so magical
and I haven't experienced that before, Like being an actor
or a musician.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I've had success.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And amazing opportunities, but it's been a grind, you know,
like it's been okay, audition after audition, or I'm putting
out records on my own and then finally you know,
something breaks and you know you get some great opportunity.
But this this has just felt like ease. As soon
as I made that decision, it just was like, Okay,
(22:27):
here's this program, and here's this stag and here are
these amazing chefs who are legends that are willing to
support you, and here's a pop up.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You know, here's it.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Just it's been me receiving and affirming that and saying
I'm ready, or even if I'm not ready, I'm being
given these opportunities, and I'm like, okay, God, I'm a
little scared. I'm nervous, but trusting the plan. Yeah, your plan,
not mine, you know, and just saying okay, let me
(23:01):
leap and and I'll learn something either way. Even if
I fail at some point or make a mistake, I
will learn. But I just I love this like I
love I love making food and then and watching people
eat it, inviting them into that experience and and the
joy that that brings for both of us.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, what was that experience like working at a three
star Michelin restaurant? And especially that's your like it's go time, Yeah,
that's your that's your way in. You know, in my mind,
I'm thinking like TV shows, right, thinking the back in
the kitchen of.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
All right it's coming out hey yeah yeah yeah yeah,
what like how.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's a different dance, right, Like that is a different speed,
there's different language back there, there's different ways of moving
that weren't your day to day but also at the
extreme high, Yes, how did that feel?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Challenging but exhilarating. I got, I mean thrown into the
you're in the deep end, you know, And I think
what it gave me was such a profound respect for
the field and for the chefs that work day in,
day out, and I'd never I hadn't had that experience.
And so getting to be also at that level where
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there aren't any areas to make a mistake because of
the experience that one people are paying for, and there's
a caliber of excellence which isn't foreign to me. You know,
I toured with Prince, we worked together.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
You know, there was already I think we got to
get to that.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think I have just in my life been primed
for like a very high level and standard of creativity
and how you show up in things deeply.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Wow. So as we were you guys won't hear this
at home, because we're we have a Denisha who's.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Amazingly edits this.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And Jack's But I broke in the episode because I
had to start coughing. And as I did that Andy's
phone starts ringing and it's an alarm and it's at
to to too yeah, with a beautiful message, And instantly
I'm like, I have to do this, please please talk
about this process.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Perfect timing right, perfect time, find timy. Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
So, about a couple of weeks ago, I set some
alarms on my phone just throughout the day. I have
one at like ten, ten, twelve, twelve, all kind of
like angel numbers, synchron synchronistic numbers. And then this one
at too to two and it's just different messages. So this,
this one that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Just went off is let's see.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
This one says all is well. I am loved. Everything
is working in my favor, but I have different things
of like trust and allow things to unfold. I release
my way. What is your will?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
God?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
And then I know right at the beginning one starts
at the beginning of the day, is God, delight and
surprise me just as a reminder, surprise me God. But
I forget that I have them. I'm still it's been
going on for the last two weeks, and I still
when it pops up, I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Oh my gosh, right, it's just sweetness like that adds
such a sweetness like richness to the day, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, and it just like locks me in, it reminds me,
or it shakes me out of if I'm in my
head or I'm worrying about something. And the messages just
come at such pivotal moments where you're like, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
All right, yeah, wow, I will be adopting that thank
you practice, you know, as we've been talking about your journey,
especially with food and really the deeper layers of the
alignment that are coming through in this story, right, because
it's like I always say, like, you know, it's purpose
(27:26):
when there's ease, you know, And I think so often
we are fighting for our dreams, like we're fighting, but
I found you know that it's actually the path of ease,
Like that's how you always know it's the right path.
And yeah, I remember, and I'll just add this in
for everyone listening. I've always felt that deeply in my
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life and come to understand that. And then I remember
I was listening in the car. I love listening to
serious exem either yacht rock or Joel Ostine, and and
he was giving this sermon about pretty much ease and
alignment and kind of knowing when it's God's will. And
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there was this thing that I think some he said
that summed it up really beautifully where he said, you know,
if you force it, if you force your will, yeah,
like sometimes God will still allow it to happen, yeah,
but there won't be grace for it. And I thought
(28:29):
about that especially in relations to like alignment and ease
and purpose, because so many times in my life, right,
like especially if you go off what society says, which
is like you don't want it, if it's easy, or
like don't take you for an answer, keep plowing forward,
and so many of us operate in that way and
like block everything, yeah, because it's not supposed to be
(28:50):
like hard fought, you know. And it's like, yeah, you
might break through and win, right, you might do what
you said you're going to do, but like there's no
grace for it. There's no ease, there's no alignment, there's
no synchronicity that comes in to light the path. And
it's like when you do find that feeling, it's just
(29:12):
it's indescribable. It's the shifter of your life. It changes
how all the energy moves in your body and in
the world and in the work that you do so
even you know, in speaking to the alignment and really,
and I'm highlighting this because it really.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Is so special and cool.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's like for that first experience to be the three
star Micheline experience. Right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
For all the.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Ways that you describe this new path, you're having a
very spiritual experience. It is a spiritual practice. And so
take me into the intention behind a Kona and the
pop ups and like the way you are really blending
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that spiritual creative fire with the food you're creating and presenting.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, My word for this year is trust. And each
year I try to pick a word. Last year was
celebration and opulence.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Okay, girl, I love opulence. Yes, I I want an
opulence year. We are going for luxury, yes.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
And so this year was trust and and I feel
like I've been invited into that over and over again
and reminded of like how can I trust? And I
got the opportunity to have my pop up at a
restaurant called De Bistro And it was at the restaurant
that I finished my culinary training in and the owner
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of the restaurant was like, do a pop up here?
You know, and again like I'm new. This is I've
been doing the cheffing culinary for a year a year
and a half, so it's I'm a baby, you know.
And there was so much trust and ease of like, oh, okay,
you trust me enough to do this. And I also
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trust God enough that if I'm being given it, I
must be ready even if I don't feel like I am,
and I just have to leap because I'll learn so much.
And I did and I did, and it was incredible.
I got to witness, you know, the experience of sharing
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Cameronian food with We had one hundred about one hundred
people that came that night.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I was walking.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
When I walked around and talking to different people, they
were sharing how they.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Would taste something.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And I would say probably ninety eight percent of the
people that came through hadn't had Cameronian before and and
but they were all taken back to something when I
was asking like.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What do you know, what do you like?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Like what came through or whatever, and and they all
were like, oh my gosh, I was taken to this memory.
Even some of the Cameroonians that came by, they were like,
I was taken to this day in my life eating
this dish and.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
It was just like that.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's why I do this. It's it's a spiritual experience.
It's immersive and and it's like a bond. It's bonding
in a bonding experience. And it just brought me so
much joy, like fulfilled me in such a deep way.
And okona is means love in my dad's native language,
(32:46):
a wing and uh it's it's been really cool just
to share that love and have that come through.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah. Wow, ah, really special.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I can't for you to try it. I can't wait, Yeah,
I can't wait. I mean, what do you mean? What
should you be cooking right now? I know, honestly, let's
just go.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Let's just get yes, okay, So now I'm going to
switch gears because you were discovered by Prince.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
First of all, what I know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
What Prince is an artist who has defied all genre?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeh right, like yes, all genre.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Like a true being of his own right, Like there
there was no blueprint for a prince that kind of
creative energy like that's that is a hurricane like that,
Oh my gosh, big big energy. So first, I mean,
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what is that experience even like if princes like you?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah, right, you know, like, yeah, not hilarious. What yeah,
I mean I think about that time and it's surreal.
You know, I was twenty one, twenty two and it
just what a yeah, what a whirlwind. Yeah, And that's
(34:25):
I think it's just solidified so many principles, right, the
principle of being the like a consummate creative and just
letting whatever is meant to flow, allowing it to flow
through you in whatever form, not trying to control it.
He truly embodied being a vessel. Wow, there was no
(34:49):
there was no.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Block, It just like flowed.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
And so getting to experience that, and.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Can you give me more description around that? Yeah, like
what did the witnessing of that?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Being that open to your channel to your creation. Like
I think about that exact mechanism you're talking about a
lot when it comes to the great masters that have
lived on Earth in various you know mediums. What what
did that look like up close?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
A lot of sleepless nights, so just like creating, creating,
Like you'd wake up and you know, you get there
and you'd be like, Okay, I wrote a new song,
and like when I went to bed at like one
in the morning, it's now like ten, how do you
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have a new song?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
When did you? When did you? And when did you sleep?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
You know, but you have full energy, like you are
so present and like vibrant. It's not I feel like
if And obviously I was living on that schedule and
I was fine, But I don't think I could do
that schedule today. I'd be like, listen, I need a nap.
Just I don't operate like that. But I think he
(36:14):
it energized him so much to create that way and
it and it was almost like it.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Needed to come out. He couldn't contain it.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
It needed it needed to be expressed or else it
would start to like build up or like be blocked.
And I think there's a balance to it, you know.
I think there's moments in my life where I have
a similar experience where like, oh, this this has to
get out, or I'll I'll think about a dish and
(36:46):
I'm like, oh, I got to write this like crazy
dish down that reimagines, you know, a Cameroonian delicacy or something.
I'm like, I got to write it down so I
don't forget, you know. I think we all have moments
of like like that, And I think that's so beautiful.
I don't know if I would want it to be NonStop.
If I'm being honest, I hear you, you know, I
like say, I like, I like rest and and so
(37:09):
I think witnessing it was really beautiful and so inspiring.
But I also got to see how gosh, it's just
tiring it can be, and and not knowing when to
rest or saying like okay, that's enough, you know, or
(37:30):
like how do I close the channel?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I think there's a I think there's a balance to it.
But I'm grateful that he didn't close the channel because
he's not here with us anymore, and and so that
way he was able and maybe there was some part
of him that knew I was that he wasn't going
to be here for a long time.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
And so it was like I got to get this out.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And I think there's a lot of artists who aren't
here anymore that you just.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
There was something that need.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, they had to like get it out and get
it out, and and I feel the spirit knows, you know.
So I say all that because I don't want when
people I'm talking about princes like just ability to flow.
What what I don't want people to take from that
is like, well, I'm not like that there's something wrong
with me or I ah, I need to attain that.
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And I think it's a balance, you know. I think
it's allowing each of our experiences to be what they're
meant to be and that we all have a part
and on our creativity flows in its own way, and
that's what we need to find. He found his right,
and I think and I had to learn that because
I was I was so young, so I saw him
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as a mentor and I wanted to emulate that and
was like, that's what I need to attain and I
really had to learn Wait a minute, that is so beautiful,
but what's mine?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
How does how does creativity show up for me? And
that's what's beautiful, you know. And and whenever you're if
you're trying to become someone else or do their thing,
and I feel like you hear this all.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The time, right, like what's your voice? What's your unique quality?
And you can be.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Inspired by someone who's founders and taps into it, but
don't try to be like, oh, I'm just going to
be you, right, you know. It's like, no, that's so inspiring. Now,
now find yours? What is your thing? How does creativity
show up for you? How how does it look when
you are in flow?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
And then share that with the world so someone else
can be inspired by that, because if we're all trying
to be like Prince or be in flow and creative
like him, and like, that's not the tapestry of God,
it's the tap is to me, the tapestry of God
is so varied, it's beautiful. There's so many threads, it's
it's colorful, it's a vibrant the different textures. That's what
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makes this world beautiful.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, deeply. And it's like, don't don't block your unique
channel and creativity by trying to one definitely compare it
to anything else, but by also making the mistake of
thinking that it has to be big and loud and.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Popular and any of the other things that you think
judging it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, to give us the real desire to create something,
you know.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And it's like I just think a lot of that
of that phrase, like creation for creation's sake, because so
many of us don't create because the first thing is, well,
will it be a big deal? And if I can't
guarantee it'll be a big deal. I don't want to
begin or will it make me a lot of money
or get me attention? And if I can't be certain
of that, I'm not even going to start it. And
(40:53):
it's like, you know, I think, especially as we're yeah,
throughout this conversation really tying creation to creator and it
being this kind of divine spiritual experience, it's like you
also have to trust when you have gifts or a
call to create, that it does not matter if you're
(41:13):
even here when people receive it. Yeah, Like that is
the truth of creation that I think sometimes is hard
to reckon with because we're in society and you're trained,
and you know, we want to be seen and all
the things and reap the benefits. But it's like sometimes
you're a Picasso and you just spend your whole life
(41:34):
elevated and you know, having the fruits of your tree, right,
and then you know, sometimes you're the Van Goh and
it's lonely, yeah, and it's confusing, and you just keep creating,
but you are like, am I failing? And you leave
earth and you don't know, But then look right, and
(41:55):
it's always an active service creation, So whether it pops
up off for you, or you were just called to
create it for whenever it's meant to be known, right,
the sacredness of it is enough.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, yes, I love that. It makes me think about
this past or weekend. A couple of weekends ago, I
went on a hike and I like to go on
God dates. Oh I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Tell me more so, I was on a date. I
was on a date with.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
God and we went for a hike.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Do you understand how much I love this. We've never
talked about this, but literally I flirt with.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
God all day. No, I'm always like sky Daddy, like.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I see you, I feel you, Like I'm literally looking
at this and I'm like, stop flirting.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Right, like you are too much. But I like it.
Tell me are yes, Oh that's that makes me so happy.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, I'll go on dates with God. And this particular
one was a hike. So went on this hike together
and I'm just going on this hike in Malibu and
it's one I do often. But I decided to take
a different path coming back around and I turned like
(43:26):
a corner and I couldn't see where the rest of
it went, and I audibly like said out loud, and
I kind of stepped back and I was like, oh,
I don't know where this goes. And it then it
was silence, and then I just started laughing and I
almost and I was like, like God and I were
laughing together. And then the thought that came in my
(43:48):
head was like, of course, I don't know where it goes.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
I don't know where anything goes.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I don't know where any of this is going. Like
thanks God, You're right, Yeah, duh, that's the point. That's
the point is to trust take the path. I'm always
with you and I'm on this, so go. I keep going,
and then it bends again and now I can kind
of see a little bit more and I'm like, oh, okay.
(44:17):
And as I keep walking, I hear this message. And
oftentimes I feel like in the silence and nature when
I'm on God dates, I spend time talking, but I also.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Spend time listening.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
And this phrase came through that was I will always
deliver you whole. I will always deliver you whole, and
everything in me just calm down. I was like, Okay,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Know where this goes.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
I don't know where this culinary dream and cheffing is going.
I don't know where my acting career or you know,
will music? Will I get back into music and release
you know, another album? I don't know, well, will I
become a farmer?
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Or you know? Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know where this goes. And I am somebody
who loves to know. Oh, I love to know. I
just and this year of trust, the year of trusting,
and I'm like, okay, I just continually have to say
I don't know, and and I'm excited about that, you know,
(45:27):
like rather than like, ooh, I don't know where this goes.
And that was such a good lesson for me of
in those moments, that fork in the road where I
don't know where something goes.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
How am I meeting that moment?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Do I meet it with excitement and with anticipation and
with trust and saying ooh God, surprise me what you
got in store? Or am I like mmmm, I don't know,
I don't you know?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
And I think and.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
It's like, get that the energy has to be just
not like nice and welcoming, like keeping the the soil fertile,
you know, for that yes, juicy, yeah, yuh me right,
I love that.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I love that in the deepest way and without having
the same language as you. I like that is so
deeply very much how I approach like my life and
my days. And I feel like something I say to
myself a lot. And I was thinking about this too,
just because I think everybody is always so consumed with dating.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
That is what I've.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Discovered since my divorce, and it like, it's it's hard
for me.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
It drives me crazymes just.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
How much women talk about men, Like I just feel
like there is just so much kind of like energy
output and not the most rewarding way. Like it's this
psychoanalyzing constantly. It's this like again wanting to quantify something
(47:07):
or understand it beginning middle and end instantaneously, right, And
it's like, if we could give some of that energy,
if more women could give some of that longing. And
there's nothing wrong with having that. We're all deserving a wonderful, beautiful,
you know, whatever kind of way life looks for each
of us that feels the most nourishing. We're deserving of
(47:30):
whatever that is. Right, But like, I feel that if
people could give more of that lonely longing to God
and making it fun with God, right, like making it
really like spiritual foreplay, like moving through the world like
(47:50):
I moved through the world expecting to be surprised and
to be in awe of God every day, you know,
and even talking to God in that way.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
And yeah, just like you're you know.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
To say you go on dates with God? Right, Like
that is so special and it's like if we could
move in that kind of conversation with God, yeah, every
day and and take in the sun ray and let
it fuel you like you just got handed rose or
you know, just all the ways that God does show
(48:26):
up for us really romantically and divinely and measurably.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
That was the right word.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
But yeah, it's just it's it's it's such a special
shift for spiritual women to look to meet that need
with the love of God.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Right and and why not that love and the love
that is so pure, so rich and limitless, limitless and
has no conditions, zero condition It's there, It's there, it's available,
and it's vast.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh like loving God is romantic.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, Like sometimes like God takes my breath away in
a way.
Speaker 4 (49:15):
That I want to be like, oh, yes, excuse me, right, Like, honestly,
I don't know how anyone can compete.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
But and that's not the point, right, You're just.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
Like, well, right, well you know, but then it's like, yeah,
getting to experience God through others, and but but I
can only do that if I am spending time with
the og.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Yeah, And and I know what it's like to date
God and in that embodies limitlessness.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and that fills me up.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yes, yes, yes, you know. It's so funny. Like I
recently kind of like allowed myself to move out of
something and this like I was taking a walk and
I was just like really appreciating the opportunity to have
small moments with nature. It's something I'm really looking to
(50:20):
invite into my life. Like every chance I get, I'm like, no,
I'm not going to drive to CBS, I'll walk, or
I'm not going to drive to this walk. And so
I was walking, I was taking all that in and
kind of reflecting on what had just passed and the
thing that came to me the words I just kept saying,
my eyes are on God, like, my eyes are on
(50:41):
God like, I don't really feel called to put my
eyes or attention on anything of man. My eyes are
on God right now, you know, and like surrendering into
that feeling that God's nourishment, God's courting of my soul
and of my spirit is so sufficient and honestly, given
(51:04):
my schedule in my life, like it's more than I
need right now, that is the need filled. So yeah, anyway,
thank you so much for that beautiful practice because it's
I think it's just such a blessing and I think
it is a part on the journey of consciousness for
so many of us that I found that that is
where we arrive when we're really in an embodied state,
(51:29):
but there is like a lot of congruency in how
our parts are meeting each other. We tend to land
in this new, beautiful, fertile.
Speaker 7 (51:39):
Catch totally, yes, yes, deeply, well.
Speaker 8 (51:53):
Okay, so upload, yes, we're moving into the final season
and now this show in particular. You know, it's such
a unique perspective on the after life, on the digital soul.
It's so aligned right as we talked about with the
timing of now, I'm so curious, you know, being a
(52:17):
deep thinker, being a deep feeler when you're working with
these kind of archetypes, right that just naturally thinking about
that all day is going to expand it's going to
bring in companion experiences, you know, different kinds of experiences.
Has working on this show shifted at all your own
(52:39):
spiritual beliefs or has it sparked any new questions for you?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Oh that's good. H It's definitely changed me. I mean
it's been the last six seven years of my life
working on this show. And I think when I came
into it, I wasn't as spiritual as I am today.
And I think this show really opened me up around, Yeah,
(53:09):
what is life after death and consciousness and having those
bigger questions and defining for myself what is my spirituality
and what is my relationship with God? Just for me,
not based on anyone else or what other people say
(53:29):
or what their relationship is.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
What is mine?
Speaker 4 (53:33):
And I think the show brought up a lot of
those questions. And Nora struggles with that too, you know,
because she was raised in a more traditional sense and
even her dad, you know, is like, I'm going to
heaven to meet Mom. I'm not uploading, you know, and
she was like, no, but if God created everything, then
(53:57):
God created ai. God created it, and so why not
It's interesting use what God gave us, right, you know,
and there's this conversation and dance I think with her,
and and also being like, wow, can I love somebody
who's here but not here? And and what is love?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (54:22):
Is love meaning I tangibly need to have you? Or
is love just the act of I see you? And
I am appreciative of the time and the experiences that
we get to share because I may not have you
and you won't right really, the reality is we won't
have each other. Even if you're with someone in the flesh,
(54:43):
you're not going to have them forever. So it's like
how it Yeah, I mean, the show really brings up
a lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Because I'm like, even you talking right now, I'm like, gosh.
It kind of conflicts with the understanding of impermanence because
I lean into in permanent so often, or like detachment
from outcomes so often in my journey to like surrender
to the unknown, and you know, this belief of like
(55:15):
don't grip anything, just like be ready to let it
all go, yeah, at a moment's notice. And then it's
like on this show, it's like it's quite interesting because
it's like, well, aren't we all living forever anyway?
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (55:29):
In a spiritual soul.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, But then.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's like, oh, wait, are you gripping too tightly to
this identity of you on earth as this personality mploading.
Speaker 3 (55:42):
Right, And you're like you can't let go.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
But then on the other side and you're like, oh,
I get to upload and I can be anything I want.
I can do anything. I could learn to speak a
language like that, because you're just it's code and that
can be exciting. But then it's like, yeah, yeah, what
is it impeding my you know, spiritual growth or my
(56:05):
soul's journey in some way?
Speaker 3 (56:07):
I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Is it it's well we ever know anything?
Speaker 3 (56:11):
No, we don't know. It is the whole point. We don't.
We don't know what is it? Yeah? Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Why are we at the end of the show already?
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Oh no, Oh my gosh, I'm not ready for it
to end.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
I'm already There's so many more things, you know, I
think I as a woman right now, as a woman
right now, how how are you feeling on Earth in
your life? And what practices are you utilizing to really
(56:54):
keep yourself upright and to keep yourself feeling open and
creative even amidst you know, quite confusing, highly energetic, divisive times.
Speaker 4 (57:09):
Yeah that's good. I knew you were about to come
through with something.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
She's about to lean in, I said, okay, let.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Me just.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Deep deep deep deep.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
How am I keeping myself upright? I mean some days
I don't, if I'm being completely honest. I think there's
days where I allow myself to fall short or or
crumble a bit because it is a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
Those allowing allowing myself to feel everything and not be like,
well I need to let me get over it, or
I need to be strong, or I need to no. No,
It's like, I think, how I keep myself upright is
allowing myself to feel whatever is coming up. I don't
(58:09):
remain there.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
I let it pass through me.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
But if I'm like.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Today, I need a little more rest, I feel it.
There's some things off. I just need to sleep longer.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
Than I thought I want.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I wanted to my plan, you know, was I wanted
to get up at this time, and I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
I'm tired.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
Something is weighing on me and I just need to
rest today. Listening to that it means and I don't
want to say I'm not good at this, but I'm
working on it of being more vulnerable and saying, hey,
I'm going through a hard time. I could use a
little more support today. So I think inviting people in
so I'm not always the strong one or I'm not
(58:51):
always the happy or the zen of the whatever one,
those identities that feel really good and like people aspire
to and like actually, I think just keeping it real,
being like, yeah, today's a tough day. Let me call
that person that I think has the capacity for me,
(59:12):
or asking like hey, i'm you up for a call
like I'm struggling today. That helps me get back upright
and God dates, going on dates with God, going on
dates with myself and really loving myself all the things
(59:33):
that I desire a partner to do. I date me
and do that for myself, and that's not easy. I
forget to do that for myself. And I think the
last thing I would say is outside of I think
I touched on community, but I would say connecting to
little Andy has been really helpful because most of the
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stuff that comes up or fear is tied to you know,
what happened as a kid, or how my little kid
is viewing something and like before I came here today,
like I was spending time with ten year old Andy,
and you know, she she's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
She went through a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
But something she said was like I want to jump
on the trampoline before we go. That just popped in
my head of like, oh I want it, Like yeah, okay,
I can do that. I can do that for you,
because you didn't have a lot of that, you know
at that age. You know, at that age, I was
(01:00:41):
going through so much of like moving to another city
and then you know, it was like this year ten
to twelve thirteen where I moved to one place and
then I moved to America and it was just such
a time where I didn't have my footing. Yeah, and
I and I just and as a kid, you don't know.
(01:01:03):
You don't talk about not knowing, but you really don't
have the knowledge or the wording or how to process
what's happening around you. And so she needs so much
love and stability and fun and not so heavy stuffy.
So I think spending time with little Andy has been
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really like connecting to being a kid again and just
being jumping on a trampoline.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I got like a little the little one that you
can put in your house and I just like literally
just went on.
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
There for like one minute and I was like, that
was fun.
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Okay, let's go. Yeah, you know, honoring that. Yeah, beauty ful?
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Yeah, there's so much I want to, like I meditate
and this, you know, but it's like being in nature.
Even what you said, there's so many things your book, Yes,
thank you having gratitude. There's so many things out there.
But yeah, those those things.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Work for me.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Oh, thank you. Thank you for just bringing so much
beauty to this episode, so much God to this episode,
so much light to this episode, so much fun, so
much creativity.
Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah, thank you. I mean I really love it. I
feel like we shouldn't think these shares. Can y'all hear this?
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Okay, before we end this episode, I just have to
say we are cutting up.
Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I don't know if y'all can he trying to say
so still because.
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Lead to Andy's chair for a second. If you would
absolutely thank you? All right, millennials, what does this remind
you of? Oh? What it is?
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Can get in?
Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Good God?
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
And on that note, sacred fun, sacred fun, Yay, thank
you so much for joining us. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
This was amazing. We love you.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
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Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I You Baby, We'll leave below.
Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
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