October 23, 2025 • 41 mins
In this reflective episode of Deeply Well, host Devi Brown opens up about the often tender and necessary process of growth, release, and self-renewal. With honesty and care, she speaks to the natural evolution of relationships and how part of healing sometimes means letting go.
Devi invites listeners into a conversation about what it means to shed connections that no longer serve our highest good, and how self-reflection plays a vital role in that process. She explores how to identify misalignment in relationships, the difference between seasonal and soul-level friendships, and the importance of creating space for a community that truly nourishes us.
This episode also offers a deeper look at how to recognize our own needs, not just in friendships, but in how we show up for ourselves. From spiritual check-ins to emotional boundaries, if you’re in a season of reassessment, healing, or simply re-grounding in your truth, this episode is a gentle companion on the path of soul work and self-honoring.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Take a deep breath in through your nose. Holds it now,
release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating internally
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to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am
deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply I'm
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Debbie Brown. And this is the Deeply Well Podcast. Welcome
to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on your journey,
a podcast for those that are curious, creative, and ready
to expand in higher consciousness and self care. This is
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where we heal, this is where we transcend. Welcome back
to the show and Debbie Brown. Of course, this is
deeply well. So blessed and happy and grateful to have
you here, to have you in this sacred space. However
you're connecting right now, whether it's on our YouTube, which
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if you haven't yet subscribe, or it's on Spotify or
Apple or iHeart or all the places we plug into. Wow.
First of all, I cannot believe I'm recording this episode
in September twenty twenty five. I cannot believe I've been
telling everybody, have been like, oh, it's the new year,
It's twenty twenty six, Like I keep accidentally writing that
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on paper, and I'm like Oh, she's ready. She is
ready to get into the new year. Baby twenty twenty
five has been something I know, something that we talked
about on a recent solo episode I did, and I'm
so curious how it's been landing, but really starting to
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do some of the slow testing work necessary to walk
into next year feeling confident, feeling stable, feeling curious, feeling open.
I think this is the perfect season and we're starting
to come out of a clip season to really clean house.
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You know, I know a lot of times we talk
about spring cleaning, but I myself am finding that I
am deeply embedded in some fall cleaning. Like I have
all these projects happening at the house. I'm cleaning out
my garage, I'm giving out a ton of stuff. I'm
doing all of these things that I used to kind
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of feel really connected to in this spring. But there's
something I have, like this internal ticker that's happening, and
for me, there's something about getting this done before we
have Fall equinox, yeah, which is coming at the end
of the month, And I've been thinking about it a
lot because for these that follow astrology or interested in
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the stars, it's just we are in a very potent
eclipse portal. Almost everyone I meet right now, I feel
like I've been kind of just really tending to home
and kind of on a fake sabbatical. If you ask
Samantha that works with me, if I've been on sabbatical,
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She's like, stop saying that you've been working every day.
But there's some parts of my life that I feel
like I've been giving myself more freedom. So I've been
in this kind of many refresh after doing the book
tour and getting ready for what is typically my busiest season,
which is fall. And I've been noticing that the things
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the experience is that I'm having in my personal life,
or the things that I find myself thinking about are
just so aligned with almost every person I meet, and
almost every podcast guest I've had recently, we've talked about
it off camera or you know, as I run into people,
it's almost like the first thing that's coming up. And
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this is typically when I'm in spiritual community, So when
I'm with other people where we just have similar hearts
or similar viewpoints in the world, or are doing, you know,
the work of the people, the work of humanity. Almost
everyone has said that they are going through a surprise shedding.
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What's the surprise shedding. Well, we talk about shedding a lot, right,
Like it's a core part of what it is to
be on the spiritual journey, and I know we've talked
about it here. And something that I've noticed in my
life is that anytime I am ready for new experiences,
I don't want to always classify this as like when
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you're going to the next step or the next level,
because it doesn't have to be tied in with success,
but like if you're getting to the next level of
your personal journey and all that that entails. You know,
I think a lot of us are used to kind
of having historic evidence and proof that you got to
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sunset some people at every next step. Everyone can't come
with you, right, That's what is said very often whenever
I've encountered that in the past. It's felt different. This season.
It's hit me in surprise ways where I feel that
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God has been like them too, sis them too, and
I've been like, but why, and then something will happen.
I'll be like, oh my God, that's why. But I
think it's really it's just really interesting to have grace
for the fact that this is the intended path too,
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that we don't always have to know that it's coming.
And sometimes it's not done with big groups. Sometimes it's
one or two people, sometimes it's fifty, or an entire
community or an entire place. But shedding people, places, and
things is just natural evolution. It's natural evolution in the
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human experience, whether you're aware of it or not, whether
it also encompasses your spiritual journey or not, it's how
the human being moves through life. And it's funny. I
was thinking about the fibers of that. I'm definitely in
a season where recently there have been some people that
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caught me by surprise that we're just not meant to
be in each other's lives anymore for various reasons, all
different reasons and not connected. But it's been fascinating to
see because these particular situations, I realized that these people
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really existed deep inside of a blind spot. And what's
so interesting about blind spots, especially if you do this
work and you're striving to some level of mastery in
your life. You're striving for healing, you're striving to be more,
you're striving for your own level of excellence. You know,
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I think a lot of us. When you do this
work for a while, you get how do I want
to say this, because I'm learning about it in real time.
I've always thought, especially in the last handful of years,
that I've been really good at gently and easily and
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immediately shedding when I know God wants me to, like
really listening to that voice, getting quiet, getting in prayer, journaling,
giving any parting the respect and the dignity that I
feel they deserve, the repair that's necessary. So I thought
I had gotten really good at predicting when that time
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was coming and being able to surrender and open to it.
And then in this season, as I was birthing something
new and amazing in my life, which was my book,
that was a big baby for me to birth. That
was hard, that took years, and I'm so grateful for
the opportunity to put that book out and for all
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the hands that's gotten into I've been having just some
incredible experiences running into readers, but really in parallel with
me coming into that moment, which I don't think I
recognized walking in that it would be me moving into
a new level of who I am. I thought it
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was just me being who I am, doing my work,
if that makes sense. But right as that was happening,
like timed exactly immediately to releasing my book, I had
a few situations come up in my life that really
needed my attention, and that required me to say goodbye
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to people I didn't think I was ever going to
say goodbye to, and people that quite honestly, I didn't
take seriously enough that I actually needed to say goodbye
to them, and probably really should have a long time ago,
the first moment, years ago, the first time I clocked something,
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the first time I felt something not being safe or right,
or there being ulterior motive or something underlying or just
delusion or strangeness. And so it's taught me something new
that I think is special for my life, and I
think for those that are at this juncture of their
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journey where you really have been in deep refinement, it's
an opportunity to really get into the fibers and the
weeds of all connections. I realize that I have a
blind spot around making the necessary adjustments to who's in
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my life with people that I don't see often. Those
are areas that I can kind of let just get
a little disorganized. I'm very pristine with the active connections
in my life. I'm very pristine with my closest friends,
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my daily friends, the people that I do life with
here in Los Angeles, and most of them gratefully I've
known fifteen twenty years or grew up to get other somehow,
or have you know some people that I've met here
in the last five years since the pandemic where we're
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just perfect fits and deeply connected, And so that part
of my life feels so robust that whenever I have
maybe not full alignment with people, but I like them,
or there are some ways that we do connect deeply.
Maybe we just have like really amazing combos when we're together,
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or have similar interests, or even have similar like breakthroughs
or traumas that we've had. If they're not close, I
let certain things that I clock and that I feel
slide because I feel like, well, I only see them
a couple times a year, I only talk to them
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a few times a year. Like so, I didn't think
that it was necessarily that serious or that important. I
thought that those relationships could exist in a little bit
of dysfunction. And what God showed me in this new
kind of refinement of my life and this moment is
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that now that you've cleared the path and the rest
of your life is feeling healthy and supportive and just
really aligned, you know, like when you're with people that
get you, that you know you can be safe with,
you're safe to be the flawed person you are, which
is myself included, y'all, Like, yes, I'm a healer, Yes
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I am in pursuit of mastery in my life, and
she just a person juggling a lot of things. So
it's just interesting. And I don't know who else this
is for. But as I've been talking about this with
a few people that I know we have like deep
alignment in our missions and assignments, to find out they've
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been going through it too, or they've been having these
surprises of like needing to urgently release or let go
or just go along with the other person's release with
ease and grace. Everyone is kind of in the same
space where it's just God's saying, once you've committed to
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a path of mastery and precision, even if you think
it doesn't matter, but you notice it, it matters because
everything you notice does matter, especially when you get to
a certain point and those noticings aren't triggers. So I'm
not saying that everything that triggers you you have to
respond to. It's when you've kind of moved past the
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state of feeling triggered and charged in your body, and
now you're just making these gentle observations of oh, yeah,
I see that manipulation or oh oh, I see that
unrest inside of them, and I know eventually that might
not be safe for me. It's important to just deal
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with it, be with it, see it, act on it
when it happens. Very long ago, probably when this podcast
first started, but definitely in my first book, Crystal Bliss,
I tell a story about how I have learned to
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truly listen to God's whispers and symbols before they become
a punch in the face. And the way I used
to phrase it is like I will not be catching
God's fade anymore. I will not wait for God in
life to have to knock me to my knees to
get something. When you can listen the first time when
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it comes in the form of a gentle whisper, the
breeze across your face, the synchronicity, the catching something, the
seeing something, the hearing something, and so in this season.
What that really allows me to deepen and understand is
even in those situations that we are thinking can't really
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cause harm or aren't really viable enough in our day
to day life to have to confront it right away
or to have to deal with it, the thing is,
once you clock it, it's festering in that person. Once
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you clock it, you may forget about it and it
doesn't really affect you, but it is growing and churning
and festering and turning into resentment or turning into false
narratives or way bigger scenarios in that person in all
of that time that you don't spend together. And so
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no matter how small it seems, no matter how yeah,
just minuscule it seems. Whatever it is, whatever that thorn is,
just deal with it in real time, have the conversation
in real time, or get out. Well, you can still
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distance yourself with love and still send kind of support
and love and good energy to the person, but stop
interacting the moment you feel it, whether it has to
become a big conversation or again it's just a gentle
release and now you're not actively pursuing being in connection.
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Do it in real time do it in real, real time,
And I think that is the next level of what
it means to shed. When we're at different points of
the journey, the sheds are really big, and a lot
of them require hard, hard work to pull ourselves out
from a lot of it requires time to heal and
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get away. But when you get into certain levels of
your path, you can refine by the gentle clocking and
the gentle whisper, and you can get out of it
before you get into it. That is a phrase that
came to me actually when I was in high school,
maybe high school or the beginning of college. I remember
I was dating some child and it was not a fit,
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and God gave me this clear whisper that said, know
when to walk away before you walk in. Whereas I
think previous to that, I would just hear it in
the way that would be said, like you got to
know when to walk away, But it's like, no, we
should be getting to the point on our journeys where
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we don't just have that perfect timing of when to
leave a room. We also know when we should not
be walking into the room, when we should not open
the door at all. And I think that's the place
that I'm in and I'm grateful for the lessons that
I have learned in the last few months and the
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people that God bless them. I get to release and
have distance from and have freedom from the dynamic, and so, yeah,
it's just interesting. That's what that is. The lesson I'm
embodying right now. It's something I knew, It's something that
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has been repeatedly presented to me in different forms, and
this is the season I get to know it an
even more micro, kind of highly specific, detailed kind of way.
And I feel really grateful for that process, and I've
been letting myself kind of sit in it because I
think there are some things that we can definitely heal
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in the blink of an eye, in the twinkle of
an eye, and then there's something things that we should study,
some patterns, some dynamics, some ways of operating, and then
there's also time to heal and degree even to let
yourself move through the full wheel of emotion for every situation.
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So it's been so interesting to be in that space
lately and so freeing. And I think another way that
God so beautifully teaches us is through contrast. Not everything
has to be through experiencing complete kind of opposite ends
of the spectrum of the polarity. Sometimes it's just kind
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of the light contrast of seeing, oh, this is black,
this is white, or you know, this is the opposite
of that, or this is another facet of what that
can look like. And yeah, that's been so beautiful to
be kind of so surrounded by love and so much
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support in an important moment and meaningful moment of my
life to where it really gives you a glaring kind
of polarizing understanding actually of when that true authentic support
and love is actually not present in another person that
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you love and that you respect. And so yeah, so
many things to learn. And it's also so cool because
it's like, if we look at the history of our
lives and you know, I'll speak from my personal experience
every time I do that, like and just let it happen.
So much space opens up in my life, and so
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much opportunity to be creative and to make new things
and create new things and meet even more people that
are ready for the depth of your life and ready
to hold their own stuff deeply. Well, I think that's
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what I'm so excited about in this season of my life.
It's like understanding that in doing the work of humanity
and doing the work of servant leadership of well being,
I'm deeply in the trenches in my work with the
people that I work with, and I get to poor
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and poor and poor, and I have no expectation at
all of being poured back into when I'm in my work.
My work is to be a faucet baby, and I
show up in that way. But when it comes to
the more refined parts of my private self and my
private world, I really require that everyone in that space
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that I'm working with on the back end level, that
I'm in friendship with, that I'm in family with, that
i'm doing life with, it all has to be evolutionary,
be nourishing, but also be independent. I need people in
my life at this point that know how to be
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with themselves, that love themselves deeply, that know how to
process themselves, that aren't looking to siphon my personal confidence
or siphon my peace and wear it. They have it inside,
they are it inside. Because that's the mirror that I
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require now, and I think for so many listening that
may be the mirror that you require, you know, and
if that is the case, Let's send people off with grace,
with love, with dignity, with respect, even if they're not
extending that to us. Let's let go with ease, in
full trust and faith in our path and in the
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divine and really in the truth and the history of
our life. Like you know how life plays out for you,
But really think about and I think that's some of
the soul work for today when you are in friendship
and community now, and not everybody is going to be
in the place that I am right now. Some may
be in an even more elevated in consciousness space, and
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some may be a few rungs on the ladder headed
in that direction. But it's important to be truthful with
ourselves about what do I actually require and need in
the people that I'm choosing to say I'm close to,
that I'm choosing to have in my personal life or
in my home or in the inner chambers of my heart.
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What I require are people that love themselves and really
love their lives, don't feel that things are lacking in
their life, don't feel deficient in who they are as
a person. I am not saying that any of those
things are wrong or bad, because we all, all of
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us including myself, have our seasons of feeling that way.
But if you are in a place where you're in
deep surrender to your life, you are in deep communion
with God with your faith, you are in practice with yourself,
you are emotionally regulated, you are in service to others,
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and even on your hardest day, you really do love yourself.
You really do love your life and see the beauty
in everything that led you to this moment. If that's
the place that you're in, it would not be wise
and could potentially be dangerous to have people in your
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close proximity that don't feel that way about themselves in
their lives, because even if they have the best and
highest attempts not to either subconsciously or consciously, they will
be measuring themselves next to you. They will be measuring
and comparing their season to your season, and they won't
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be able to have real rational clarity to hold the
fact that you've had hard things too, that's just not
the season you're in now. So they'll be judging themselves
based on where you've arrived, but they won't really bring
into that awareness all the things it took to get
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you there, or all the things that you've already been,
and it's just kind of human behavior. It's just human behavior,
and it's not even a knock on the person that
can't hold that space for you. It's just human behavior.
And until they get out of that space, they're not
really going to be a safe space for anyone, especially
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not their equals, and especially not anyone they're viewing as
having what they want in any capacity, whether that is
tangible physical reality or just an inner sense of peace
and purpose, or if they're judging you based on the
way other people treat you, there may be a jealousy
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that emerges for the fact that people in your life
love you, or that you feel content, or that you're
not collapsing when life presents challenges to you. Sometimes that's
hard for people to see and they're just hoping, like
why can't she just stay down, you know, And again
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it's like, I have grace for that, because when you're
in a hard place, it's hard, and if you don't
see a way out for yourself, you may not trust
or believe that another person is authentic in who they are,
or you may really want that and feel frustrated that
they have it. And so I think we're looking at
two things right now. If you're someone that's reached a
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certain level in your life and require a new reflection
to be present in your relationships, you're looking for someone
that can really mirror what you are right now, because
that's how you continue on to grow, and that's where
you're safe because you can reflect that for each other.
It's important in your inner chamber world that you find
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more people like that that are actually more of a
clear reflection to who and what you are in this moment.
On the flip side of that, if there's anybody listening
right now and something that's coming up for you is
that you may be a friend in this season that
is having maybe irrational reactions or hard reactions or extreme
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reactions to someone in your life or people in your
life because you're viewing them through the lens of where
they're at and where you're at. It's important to notice
that because I'm sure you don't want to cause harm.
Who does you know? Who really does at the core
soul level unless you know you have a certain kind
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of disorder. But if you're that person right now, I
just want you to know, like that is okay that
you're feeling envious, jealous, or angry or frustrated or judgy
or comparative or exhausted that things are working differently for
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other people. That's fair and that's valid. If you've gotten
to that point, I can bet you've had some unfair experiences,
or I can bet that things just may be feeling
extremely hard, and maybe you're not always that person or
haven't always been that person, or maybe you have because
that's been the way you've learned to react and respond.
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Either way, it's something that can change. That doesn't have
to be your full time reality forever. It can just
be a season, or that can be where the work lies.
I know in other seasons of my life when I
have felt that things were really unfair for me, and
the way I was perceiving it didn't understand why it
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was so easy for others. They were false equivalencies, like
no one is your exact copy, right, So you're comparing
yourself to someone based on a couple of things you
think are relatable to who and what you are. That's
not the totality of what that person is. So I
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think often when that happens, it's like this false equivalence,
and so there is no way to climb out of
that labyrinth, that circle that creates inside of you, you
have to zoom out. So if that's the place in
your life, like there is a path, there is a
path to you releasing those things that are in your
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way and releasing the frustrations and also finding a friend
group that could feel more supportive for where you're at
that maybe doesn't feel so out of reach or so
triggering or so hmm, maybe just so disjointing. You know,
if you find yourself feeling charged around the people or
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the rooms that you're walking into, sometimes it is them,
but it isn't always. Sometimes it is you. And so
we have to look at those things on the journey.
And I just encourage you to take space from those
people that are bringing out that feeling in you, and
not because they're doing it on purpose and not because
you're right about them, but because if something is charged,
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it could be important to take a step back and
look at it and see what the true root of
it is, What is the real issue, what's the real problem,
Because there really is no way that it's just that
person or that group of people. That's impossible, it's everything
about your life up into this moment and or a
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current challenge. You know, did something in your life kind
of go away you didn't expect recently, you know, did
something in business not work out, did something in a
relationship not work out? Did whatever? Whatever the things are.
We all have so many things, so many frictions. But
I think that's the next level of the work that
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we need to do is recognizing if there are people
causing heart in our lives, even at the smallest scale,
and is there opportunity to remove that, And are we
causing unnecessary strife, judgment problems, projections and another person's life,
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And is there opportunity to look at the root of
why we're doing that, and is that the most sustainable
and worthy thing for us to be doing with our
life and our thoughts and our conversations and our time.
So it's just interesting, you know, when we get to
different layers of the work, we are invited into new
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and deeper crevices. And I think that that as we
are now in this space of I think collectively really
moving to learn how to have more community in our lives,
this is one of the tiers of the things that
we should be looking at so that we're safe place
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to be in community with others and so that we're
choosing the right community for who we are in this
exact moment. And again I shared from my personal experience
based on what my life looks like in this moment,
but for each of us it could be different. The
kind of friendship that I require for who I am
is someone that honors the fact that I'm a deeply
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independent person. I will respond to texts very late unless
you let me know that it's urgent and you need me,
then I'll drop everything. But if you don't let me
know that I'm doing one hundred and fifty five things
and she's the only child, I like being alone and
creating and doing things. So I need people that understand
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that and have other people that can fill that need
for maybe daily communication and know that I show up
the way that I show up in my strengths, and
give me the grace and the space for what is
my flow as a woman, for my life and my
family and for what I do. And I think for
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other people, you may be in a space where you're like,
you know what I need really emotionally intelligent friends who
want to hold space. I'm looking for an everyday friend.
I'm looking for friends that can travel when I want
to travel, or go create when I want to create,
or you know, have the same strengths that I have,
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or have different strengths than I have. It's so different
for each of us. It's so nuanced, and it's all
based on who we are in this moment, what our
needs are, and what we have to realistically offer another
person that's in front of us. So I'm thinking about
friendship and even deeper ways right now. And that's been fun,
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and that's been unexpected, and I'm looking at this moment
of like, Wow, what is the bigger community I'm looking
to build over the next decade, you know, Like what
do I want to add into my world? Where do
I want to go? What do I have to offer community? Yeah,
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it's fun, it's creative, and all of it is always
an opportunity. So I don't know if anybody else is
relating to that, but the fact that literally in the
last week and this is the first time I've even
really been sharing with people some of what my inner
landscape has been thinking about and processing in the last
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couple of months. I mean I just started sharing about
this with a few people, like literally the last week
to two weeks and when I tell you, every single
person has said damn, the exact same thing to me,
like down to the specificity of like the kind of person,
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the conversation, the ways you spent time, the thing you clocked,
the way it made you feel like everyone with their
own cast of characters and their ecosystem is having identical situations.
So because of that, I was like, let me do
a show about it. So if you have noticed that
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this last season, this last quarter has been kind of
an impromptu, unexpected maybe season of not necessarily even big shedding,
but maybe but small refinements and new protections and new
value systems, you know, did you feel cold to raise
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the bar on who has access to you in your life?
Maybe the way that I did then? And I really yeah.
I encourage you to think about this episode more deeply
in journal about it today, and the soul work that
you have on the table today is to really write
down what pattern emerged as this season came into your life.
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What did you notice about an original wound? Something I
didn't get a chance to say, but what I noticed
about this season of shed is that it specifically tied
back to a wound in childhood, a fundamentally feeling misunderstood
for who I am and feeling judged for the way
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that my brain works and the way that I can
be more reserved or show up differently in friendship. I realized, like,
oh my god, the first time I felt misunderstood my
friends was like in this grade. And then it happened
again like at that age, and like oh oh, and
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so it was really beautiful because then I had this
opportunity to kind of heal that younger version of me
that didn't know what was going on and took it
on as something that needed to be done or fixed
or challenged. So, yeah, your soul work today, if that
has been a season for you in this moment, whatever
your season may be, track it back. What did it
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actually bring charge to, What did it highlight? Where were
you hurting? Where did you find freedom? And where did
you gain strength? Because by the end of this process,
for me, I was like, oh hell no, uh huh. Done,
We're done with that. We're done with that, God bless you,
We're finished with it. So yeah, where are you now
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on that path? What route did you identify? What freedom
did you find? And what pain did you get an
opportunity to spend time within process, so dive into that
soul work. I'll meet you back here next week. Let
me know in the comments, either by leaving a review,
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ig or putting it in the YouTube comments. Let me
know how you're feeling, what has been coming up for you,
and what did you take away from this solo episode conversation.
Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week now Mistaydays.
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First of all, I cannot believe I'm recording this episode
in September twenty twenty five. I cannot believe I've been
telling everybody, have been like, oh, it's the new year,
It's twenty twenty six, Like I keep accidentally writing that
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on paper, and I'm like Oh, she's ready. She is
ready to get into the new year. Baby twenty twenty
five has been something I know, something that we talked
about on a recent solo episode I did, and I'm
so curious how it's been landing, but really starting to
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do some of the slow testing work necessary to walk
into next year feeling confident, feeling stable, feeling curious, feeling open.
I think this is the perfect season and we're starting
to come out of a clip season to really clean house.
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You know, I know a lot of times we talk
about spring cleaning, but I myself am finding that I
am deeply embedded in some fall cleaning. Like I have
all these projects happening at the house. I'm cleaning out
my garage, I'm giving out a ton of stuff. I'm
doing all of these things that I used to kind
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of feel really connected to in this spring. But there's
something I have, like this internal ticker that's happening, and
for me, there's something about getting this done before we
have Fall equinox, yeah, which is coming at the end
of the month, And I've been thinking about it a
lot because for these that follow astrology or interested in
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the stars, it's just we are in a very potent
eclipse portal. Almost everyone I meet right now, I feel
like I've been kind of just really tending to home
and kind of on a fake sabbatical. If you ask
Samantha that works with me, if I've been on sabbatical,
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She's like, stop saying that you've been working every day.
But there's some parts of my life that I feel
like I've been giving myself more freedom. So I've been
in this kind of many refresh after doing the book
tour and getting ready for what is typically my busiest season,
which is fall. And I've been noticing that the things
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the experience is that I'm having in my personal life,
or the things that I find myself thinking about are
just so aligned with almost every person I meet, and
almost every podcast guest I've had recently, we've talked about
it off camera or you know, as I run into people,
it's almost like the first thing that's coming up. And
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this is typically when I'm in spiritual community, So when
I'm with other people where we just have similar hearts
or similar viewpoints in the world, or are doing, you know,
the work of the people, the work of humanity. Almost
everyone has said that they are going through a surprise shedding.
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What's the surprise shedding. Well, we talk about shedding a lot, right,
Like it's a core part of what it is to
be on the spiritual journey, and I know we've talked
about it here. And something that I've noticed in my
life is that anytime I am ready for new experiences,
I don't want to always classify this as like when
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you're going to the next step or the next level,
because it doesn't have to be tied in with success,
but like if you're getting to the next level of
your personal journey and all that that entails. You know,
I think a lot of us are used to kind
of having historic evidence and proof that you got to
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sunset some people at every next step. Everyone can't come
with you, right, That's what is said very often whenever
I've encountered that in the past. It's felt different. This season.
It's hit me in surprise ways where I feel that
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God has been like them too, sis them too, and
I've been like, but why, and then something will happen.
I'll be like, oh my God, that's why. But I
think it's really it's just really interesting to have grace
for the fact that this is the intended path too,
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that we don't always have to know that it's coming.
And sometimes it's not done with big groups. Sometimes it's
one or two people, sometimes it's fifty, or an entire
community or an entire place. But shedding people, places, and
things is just natural evolution. It's natural evolution in the
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human experience, whether you're aware of it or not, whether
it also encompasses your spiritual journey or not, it's how
the human being moves through life. And it's funny. I
was thinking about the fibers of that. I'm definitely in
a season where recently there have been some people that
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caught me by surprise that we're just not meant to
be in each other's lives anymore for various reasons, all
different reasons and not connected. But it's been fascinating to
see because these particular situations, I realized that these people
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really existed deep inside of a blind spot. And what's
so interesting about blind spots, especially if you do this
work and you're striving to some level of mastery in
your life. You're striving for healing, you're striving to be more,
you're striving for your own level of excellence. You know,
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I think a lot of us. When you do this
work for a while, you get how do I want
to say this, because I'm learning about it in real time.
I've always thought, especially in the last handful of years,
that I've been really good at gently and easily and
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immediately shedding when I know God wants me to, like
really listening to that voice, getting quiet, getting in prayer, journaling,
giving any parting the respect and the dignity that I
feel they deserve, the repair that's necessary. So I thought
I had gotten really good at predicting when that time
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was coming and being able to surrender and open to it.
And then in this season, as I was birthing something
new and amazing in my life, which was my book,
that was a big baby for me to birth. That
was hard, that took years, and I'm so grateful for
the opportunity to put that book out and for all
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the hands that's gotten into I've been having just some
incredible experiences running into readers, but really in parallel with
me coming into that moment, which I don't think I
recognized walking in that it would be me moving into
a new level of who I am. I thought it
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was just me being who I am, doing my work,
if that makes sense. But right as that was happening,
like timed exactly immediately to releasing my book, I had
a few situations come up in my life that really
needed my attention, and that required me to say goodbye
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to people I didn't think I was ever going to
say goodbye to, and people that quite honestly, I didn't
take seriously enough that I actually needed to say goodbye
to them, and probably really should have a long time ago,
the first moment, years ago, the first time I clocked something,
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the first time I felt something not being safe or right,
or there being ulterior motive or something underlying or just
delusion or strangeness. And so it's taught me something new
that I think is special for my life, and I
think for those that are at this juncture of their
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journey where you really have been in deep refinement, it's
an opportunity to really get into the fibers and the
weeds of all connections. I realize that I have a
blind spot around making the necessary adjustments to who's in
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my life with people that I don't see often. Those
are areas that I can kind of let just get
a little disorganized. I'm very pristine with the active connections
in my life. I'm very pristine with my closest friends,
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my daily friends, the people that I do life with
here in Los Angeles, and most of them gratefully I've
known fifteen twenty years or grew up to get other somehow,
or have you know some people that I've met here
in the last five years since the pandemic where we're
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just perfect fits and deeply connected, And so that part
of my life feels so robust that whenever I have
maybe not full alignment with people, but I like them,
or there are some ways that we do connect deeply.
Maybe we just have like really amazing combos when we're together,
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or have similar interests, or even have similar like breakthroughs
or traumas that we've had. If they're not close, I
let certain things that I clock and that I feel
slide because I feel like, well, I only see them
a couple times a year, I only talk to them
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a few times a year. Like so, I didn't think
that it was necessarily that serious or that important. I
thought that those relationships could exist in a little bit
of dysfunction. And what God showed me in this new
kind of refinement of my life and this moment is
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that now that you've cleared the path and the rest
of your life is feeling healthy and supportive and just
really aligned, you know, like when you're with people that
get you, that you know you can be safe with,
you're safe to be the flawed person you are, which
is myself included, y'all, Like, yes, I'm a healer, Yes
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I am in pursuit of mastery in my life, and
she just a person juggling a lot of things. So
it's just interesting. And I don't know who else this
is for. But as I've been talking about this with
a few people that I know we have like deep
alignment in our missions and assignments, to find out they've
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been going through it too, or they've been having these
surprises of like needing to urgently release or let go
or just go along with the other person's release with
ease and grace. Everyone is kind of in the same
space where it's just God's saying, once you've committed to
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a path of mastery and precision, even if you think
it doesn't matter, but you notice it, it matters because
everything you notice does matter, especially when you get to
a certain point and those noticings aren't triggers. So I'm
not saying that everything that triggers you you have to
respond to. It's when you've kind of moved past the
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state of feeling triggered and charged in your body, and
now you're just making these gentle observations of oh, yeah,
I see that manipulation or oh oh, I see that
unrest inside of them, and I know eventually that might
not be safe for me. It's important to just deal
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with it, be with it, see it, act on it
when it happens. Very long ago, probably when this podcast
first started, but definitely in my first book, Crystal Bliss,
I tell a story about how I have learned to
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truly listen to God's whispers and symbols before they become
a punch in the face. And the way I used
to phrase it is like I will not be catching
God's fade anymore. I will not wait for God in
life to have to knock me to my knees to
get something. When you can listen the first time when
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it comes in the form of a gentle whisper, the
breeze across your face, the synchronicity, the catching something, the
seeing something, the hearing something, and so in this season.
What that really allows me to deepen and understand is
even in those situations that we are thinking can't really
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cause harm or aren't really viable enough in our day
to day life to have to confront it right away
or to have to deal with it, the thing is,
once you clock it, it's festering in that person. Once
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you clock it, you may forget about it and it
doesn't really affect you, but it is growing and churning
and festering and turning into resentment or turning into false
narratives or way bigger scenarios in that person in all
of that time that you don't spend together. And so
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no matter how small it seems, no matter how yeah,
just minuscule it seems. Whatever it is, whatever that thorn is,
just deal with it in real time, have the conversation
in real time, or get out. Well, you can still
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distance yourself with love and still send kind of support
and love and good energy to the person, but stop
interacting the moment you feel it, whether it has to
become a big conversation or again it's just a gentle
release and now you're not actively pursuing being in connection.
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Do it in real time do it in real, real time,
And I think that is the next level of what
it means to shed. When we're at different points of
the journey, the sheds are really big, and a lot
of them require hard, hard work to pull ourselves out
from a lot of it requires time to heal and
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get away. But when you get into certain levels of
your path, you can refine by the gentle clocking and
the gentle whisper, and you can get out of it
before you get into it. That is a phrase that
came to me actually when I was in high school,
maybe high school or the beginning of college. I remember
I was dating some child and it was not a fit,
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and God gave me this clear whisper that said, know
when to walk away before you walk in. Whereas I
think previous to that, I would just hear it in
the way that would be said, like you got to
know when to walk away, But it's like, no, we
should be getting to the point on our journeys where
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we don't just have that perfect timing of when to
leave a room. We also know when we should not
be walking into the room, when we should not open
the door at all. And I think that's the place
that I'm in and I'm grateful for the lessons that
I have learned in the last few months and the
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people that God bless them. I get to release and
have distance from and have freedom from the dynamic, and so, yeah,
it's just interesting. That's what that is. The lesson I'm
embodying right now. It's something I knew, It's something that
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has been repeatedly presented to me in different forms, and
this is the season I get to know it an
even more micro, kind of highly specific, detailed kind of way.
And I feel really grateful for that process, and I've
been letting myself kind of sit in it because I
think there are some things that we can definitely heal
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in the blink of an eye, in the twinkle of
an eye, and then there's something things that we should study,
some patterns, some dynamics, some ways of operating, and then
there's also time to heal and degree even to let
yourself move through the full wheel of emotion for every situation.
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So it's been so interesting to be in that space
lately and so freeing. And I think another way that
God so beautifully teaches us is through contrast. Not everything
has to be through experiencing complete kind of opposite ends
of the spectrum of the polarity. Sometimes it's just kind
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of the light contrast of seeing, oh, this is black,
this is white, or you know, this is the opposite
of that, or this is another facet of what that
can look like. And yeah, that's been so beautiful to
be kind of so surrounded by love and so much
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support in an important moment and meaningful moment of my
life to where it really gives you a glaring kind
of polarizing understanding actually of when that true authentic support
and love is actually not present in another person that
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you love and that you respect. And so yeah, so
many things to learn. And it's also so cool because
it's like, if we look at the history of our
lives and you know, I'll speak from my personal experience
every time I do that, like and just let it happen.
So much space opens up in my life, and so
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much opportunity to be creative and to make new things
and create new things and meet even more people that
are ready for the depth of your life and ready
to hold their own stuff deeply. Well, I think that's
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what I'm so excited about in this season of my life.
It's like understanding that in doing the work of humanity
and doing the work of servant leadership of well being,
I'm deeply in the trenches in my work with the
people that I work with, and I get to poor
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and poor and poor, and I have no expectation at
all of being poured back into when I'm in my work.
My work is to be a faucet baby, and I
show up in that way. But when it comes to
the more refined parts of my private self and my
private world, I really require that everyone in that space
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that I'm working with on the back end level, that
I'm in friendship with, that I'm in family with, that
i'm doing life with, it all has to be evolutionary,
be nourishing, but also be independent. I need people in
my life at this point that know how to be
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with themselves, that love themselves deeply, that know how to
process themselves, that aren't looking to siphon my personal confidence
or siphon my peace and wear it. They have it inside,
they are it inside. Because that's the mirror that I
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require now, and I think for so many listening that
may be the mirror that you require, you know, and
if that is the case, Let's send people off with grace,
with love, with dignity, with respect, even if they're not
extending that to us. Let's let go with ease, in
full trust and faith in our path and in the
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divine and really in the truth and the history of
our life. Like you know how life plays out for you,
But really think about and I think that's some of
the soul work for today when you are in friendship
and community now, and not everybody is going to be
in the place that I am right now. Some may
be in an even more elevated in consciousness space, and
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some may be a few rungs on the ladder headed
in that direction. But it's important to be truthful with
ourselves about what do I actually require and need in
the people that I'm choosing to say I'm close to,
that I'm choosing to have in my personal life or
in my home or in the inner chambers of my heart.
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What I require are people that love themselves and really
love their lives, don't feel that things are lacking in
their life, don't feel deficient in who they are as
a person. I am not saying that any of those
things are wrong or bad, because we all, all of
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us including myself, have our seasons of feeling that way.
But if you are in a place where you're in
deep surrender to your life, you are in deep communion
with God with your faith, you are in practice with yourself,
you are emotionally regulated, you are in service to others,
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and even on your hardest day, you really do love yourself.
You really do love your life and see the beauty
in everything that led you to this moment. If that's
the place that you're in, it would not be wise
and could potentially be dangerous to have people in your
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close proximity that don't feel that way about themselves in
their lives, because even if they have the best and
highest attempts not to either subconsciously or consciously, they will
be measuring themselves next to you. They will be measuring
and comparing their season to your season, and they won't
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be able to have real rational clarity to hold the
fact that you've had hard things too, that's just not
the season you're in now. So they'll be judging themselves
based on where you've arrived, but they won't really bring
into that awareness all the things it took to get
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you there, or all the things that you've already been,
and it's just kind of human behavior. It's just human behavior,
and it's not even a knock on the person that
can't hold that space for you. It's just human behavior.
And until they get out of that space, they're not
really going to be a safe space for anyone, especially
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not their equals, and especially not anyone they're viewing as
having what they want in any capacity, whether that is
tangible physical reality or just an inner sense of peace
and purpose, or if they're judging you based on the
way other people treat you, there may be a jealousy
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that emerges for the fact that people in your life
love you, or that you feel content, or that you're
not collapsing when life presents challenges to you. Sometimes that's
hard for people to see and they're just hoping, like
why can't she just stay down, you know, And again
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it's like, I have grace for that, because when you're
in a hard place, it's hard, and if you don't
see a way out for yourself, you may not trust
or believe that another person is authentic in who they are,
or you may really want that and feel frustrated that
they have it. And so I think we're looking at
two things right now. If you're someone that's reached a
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certain level in your life and require a new reflection
to be present in your relationships, you're looking for someone
that can really mirror what you are right now, because
that's how you continue on to grow, and that's where
you're safe because you can reflect that for each other.
It's important in your inner chamber world that you find
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more people like that that are actually more of a
clear reflection to who and what you are in this moment.
On the flip side of that, if there's anybody listening
right now and something that's coming up for you is
that you may be a friend in this season that
is having maybe irrational reactions or hard reactions or extreme
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reactions to someone in your life or people in your
life because you're viewing them through the lens of where
they're at and where you're at. It's important to notice
that because I'm sure you don't want to cause harm.
Who does you know? Who really does at the core
soul level unless you know you have a certain kind
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of disorder. But if you're that person right now, I
just want you to know, like that is okay that
you're feeling envious, jealous, or angry or frustrated or judgy
or comparative or exhausted that things are working differently for
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other people. That's fair and that's valid. If you've gotten
to that point, I can bet you've had some unfair experiences,
or I can bet that things just may be feeling
extremely hard, and maybe you're not always that person or
haven't always been that person, or maybe you have because
that's been the way you've learned to react and respond.
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Either way, it's something that can change. That doesn't have
to be your full time reality forever. It can just
be a season, or that can be where the work lies.
I know in other seasons of my life when I
have felt that things were really unfair for me, and
the way I was perceiving it didn't understand why it
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was so easy for others. They were false equivalencies, like
no one is your exact copy, right, So you're comparing
yourself to someone based on a couple of things you
think are relatable to who and what you are. That's
not the totality of what that person is. So I
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think often when that happens, it's like this false equivalence,
and so there is no way to climb out of
that labyrinth, that circle that creates inside of you, you
have to zoom out. So if that's the place in
your life, like there is a path, there is a
path to you releasing those things that are in your
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way and releasing the frustrations and also finding a friend
group that could feel more supportive for where you're at
that maybe doesn't feel so out of reach or so
triggering or so hmm, maybe just so disjointing. You know,
if you find yourself feeling charged around the people or
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the rooms that you're walking into, sometimes it is them,
but it isn't always. Sometimes it is you. And so
we have to look at those things on the journey.
And I just encourage you to take space from those
people that are bringing out that feeling in you, and
not because they're doing it on purpose and not because
you're right about them, but because if something is charged,
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it could be important to take a step back and
look at it and see what the true root of
it is, What is the real issue, what's the real problem,
Because there really is no way that it's just that
person or that group of people. That's impossible, it's everything
about your life up into this moment and or a
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current challenge. You know, did something in your life kind
of go away you didn't expect recently, you know, did
something in business not work out, did something in a
relationship not work out? Did whatever? Whatever the things are.
We all have so many things, so many frictions. But
I think that's the next level of the work that
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we need to do is recognizing if there are people
causing heart in our lives, even at the smallest scale,
and is there opportunity to remove that, And are we
causing unnecessary strife, judgment problems, projections and another person's life,
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And is there opportunity to look at the root of
why we're doing that, and is that the most sustainable
and worthy thing for us to be doing with our
life and our thoughts and our conversations and our time.
So it's just interesting, you know, when we get to
different layers of the work, we are invited into new
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and deeper crevices. And I think that that as we
are now in this space of I think collectively really
moving to learn how to have more community in our lives,
this is one of the tiers of the things that
we should be looking at so that we're safe place
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to be in community with others and so that we're
choosing the right community for who we are in this
exact moment. And again I shared from my personal experience
based on what my life looks like in this moment,
but for each of us it could be different. The
kind of friendship that I require for who I am
is someone that honors the fact that I'm a deeply
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independent person. I will respond to texts very late unless
you let me know that it's urgent and you need me,
then I'll drop everything. But if you don't let me
know that I'm doing one hundred and fifty five things
and she's the only child, I like being alone and
creating and doing things. So I need people that understand
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that and have other people that can fill that need
for maybe daily communication and know that I show up
the way that I show up in my strengths, and
give me the grace and the space for what is
my flow as a woman, for my life and my
family and for what I do. And I think for
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other people, you may be in a space where you're like,
you know what I need really emotionally intelligent friends who
want to hold space. I'm looking for an everyday friend.
I'm looking for friends that can travel when I want
to travel, or go create when I want to create,
or you know, have the same strengths that I have,
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or have different strengths than I have. It's so different
for each of us. It's so nuanced, and it's all
based on who we are in this moment, what our
needs are, and what we have to realistically offer another
person that's in front of us. So I'm thinking about
friendship and even deeper ways right now. And that's been fun,
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and that's been unexpected, and I'm looking at this moment
of like, Wow, what is the bigger community I'm looking
to build over the next decade, you know, Like what
do I want to add into my world? Where do
I want to go? What do I have to offer community? Yeah,
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it's fun, it's creative, and all of it is always
an opportunity. So I don't know if anybody else is
relating to that, but the fact that literally in the
last week and this is the first time I've even
really been sharing with people some of what my inner
landscape has been thinking about and processing in the last
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couple of months. I mean I just started sharing about
this with a few people, like literally the last week
to two weeks and when I tell you, every single
person has said damn, the exact same thing to me,
like down to the specificity of like the kind of person,
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the conversation, the ways you spent time, the thing you clocked,
the way it made you feel like everyone with their
own cast of characters and their ecosystem is having identical situations.
So because of that, I was like, let me do
a show about it. So if you have noticed that
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this last season, this last quarter has been kind of
an impromptu, unexpected maybe season of not necessarily even big shedding,
but maybe but small refinements and new protections and new
value systems, you know, did you feel cold to raise
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the bar on who has access to you in your life?
Maybe the way that I did then? And I really yeah.
I encourage you to think about this episode more deeply
in journal about it today, and the soul work that
you have on the table today is to really write
down what pattern emerged as this season came into your life.
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What did you notice about an original wound? Something I
didn't get a chance to say, but what I noticed
about this season of shed is that it specifically tied
back to a wound in childhood, a fundamentally feeling misunderstood
for who I am and feeling judged for the way
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that my brain works and the way that I can
be more reserved or show up differently in friendship. I realized, like,
oh my god, the first time I felt misunderstood my
friends was like in this grade. And then it happened
again like at that age, and like oh oh, and
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so it was really beautiful because then I had this
opportunity to kind of heal that younger version of me
that didn't know what was going on and took it
on as something that needed to be done or fixed
or challenged. So, yeah, your soul work today, if that
has been a season for you in this moment, whatever
your season may be, track it back. What did it
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actually bring charge to, What did it highlight? Where were
you hurting? Where did you find freedom? And where did
you gain strength? Because by the end of this process,
for me, I was like, oh hell no, uh huh. Done,
We're done with that. We're done with that, God bless you,
We're finished with it. So yeah, where are you now
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on that path? What route did you identify? What freedom
did you find? And what pain did you get an
opportunity to spend time within process, so dive into that
soul work. I'll meet you back here next week. Let
me know in the comments, either by leaving a review,
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hitting me on the gram, leaving it on at Deeply Well,
ig or putting it in the YouTube comments. Let me
know how you're feeling, what has been coming up for you,
and what did you take away from this solo episode conversation.
Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week now Mistaydays.
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