November 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Caught cheating by a monster-in-law, popping pills under pressure, delivering divorce papers…and that’s only the beginning!
This turning point episode of Desperate Housewives is so delicious, we have to consume it in two portions!
Hear who admits to being the most competitive, what the women think about Gaby having her ‘lawn mowed’ by a minor, and how one line from the show made meme history!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher,
my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life
daughter Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This week we are talking about episode seven.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Anything You Can Do, which aired November twenty First, can
you say thousand four?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Can you say anything you can do? Without saying I
can do better?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I can't?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I sing, AMC Yeah, I feel compelled to get up
in taplates.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
That's not really part of a podcast, is it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I mean it could be.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This This episode, I have to say, is a huge episode,
and it is the first episode where I went, oh shit,
I want to binge this hole right.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So much happens in this I mean I actually paused
it twenty minutes in and I looked at it because
I was like, this is crazy. I could not believe
how much was happening. At twenty minutes in, which is
halfway into the show, you already had Rex serving Bree
divorce papers. You had Lynette dubiously scrounging around for more adhdmons,
(01:06):
and you had Susan's first official date with Mike totally
foiled by this mysterious new girl. And you had Gabby's
mother in law finally get onto her affair. I mean
that all happened in twenty minutes. What happened in the
other twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know we'll talk about it today.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Yes, yeah, yeah, this specific episode is just a masterclass
in deepening all of the lead characters' personal stories while
continuing to move the mystery plot along.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
There's so much to get into, and I know that
we always like to start with sharing what we found
to be our most desperate moments that we're looking forward
to talking about when we get into this episode.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yes, what was it for you?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think for me, I mean it is hard, but
I think for me the stress that Lynette is going
through and her exhaustion and she's struggling to keep up
with her own expectations of herself. I know we touched
on it a little bit, that character's like it's starting
to explode, you know, from the last episode. But I
just find that to be a compelling, relatable issue that
(02:07):
just continues to strike me.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah, for me, I would say the most desperate moment
is it has to be Missus Hooper dragging that poor
collapsed jogger over into Bree's yard just to mess up
how pristine and perfect from yards. I mean, I really
think that missus Huber is the messiest character.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It really is a messy bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I hate to say it, Okay, I think I have
to say my most desperate moment is Susan jumping into
that bull ring, tying up.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Her shirt and waving that hat over her head.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Which I've got to tell you is a gift on
I think text. If you go to text someone like yeehaw,
a photo of you doing that or.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
A little video of you doing and now I know what,
I'm incorporating it all.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Say yehaw much more often than I did I normally did. Yeah,
I've seen that gift. It's pretty it's pretty funny that
that's kind of made it into the whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Anyways, so okay, great, well this is going to be
a big one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
So's okay.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I totally agree with the whole Hydrangea lawn situation.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Was unrivaled open in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
It really, it really is, and just.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
The idea of setting the whole thing up of competition
in general. I mean, we were talking a little bit
in the last episode about women supporting women or not
supporting women, and and and then now here we are
with competition and at its core winning and life and
your household being a game that you have to.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Beat others at and be better. It's sort of amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And we just we get that shot where you see
the as Mary Alice is narrating, you see the one
jogger who kind of looks like a normal dad bod
suburban jogger, and then so quickly this Adonnis just comes
leaping out of.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
A tree, lapping him.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I love how he starts running harder and harder, obviously
culminating in the poor dad bod jogger collapsing hopefully not dead.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He has an oxygen mascot. As they wheeled him away, they.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Get a glimmer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I did think it. I did think he had died.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean he looked pretty dead in the wheelbarrow that
Missus Hooper was wheeling over to breeze lawn.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh man, missus again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It just you know, we should pick out as scenes
and we should. I mean, for sure the naked in
the bushes would be one of them. But like we
should be making a list because I have her Missus
Hooper wheelbarrowing the guy over to the other lawn and
then dumping him in the hydrangs is beyond it.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Is and I completely forgot about it. I mean I
shed it feeling like I had never seen this before.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But again, we weren't there, yeah, when we was being shot,
And I always come back to this.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
It's like being in a show that I actually.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Wasn't in because so much of it happened that I
didn't witness being filmed, and so it is exciting to
see it. I kind of do wish, you know, I
want to say, like to to Christine, like you know.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Was it hard to push that guy?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know, where the wheels rusty on that wheelbarrel? Every
time I've ever tried to wheel anything in a wheelbarrel,
it's not that easyasy you know, she really.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Just down sidewalk.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I also made me think, do you guys remember in
other episodes there have been comments about lawns, like I think, Yeah,
Freeze character says something about loving what Mary Alice did
with the lawn, and it made me think. We've talked
about the writer's room, and we've talked about our fantasy
that these writers are having so much fun writing things
for John the gardener about you know, his tube socks
(05:43):
and his rubber ducky and his and his cheerleading squaws,
his math class and his algebra questions. And it made
me think somebody in that writing room is obsessed with lawns.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, I mean it is the perfect analogy for the
grass is always greener on the other neighbors. Jamerson, Yeah,
I also have to say big shout out to the Raiders.
But also Larry Shaw directed this episode, and I was
gagged at.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Some of the directing choices.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It started with when the body is dumped on Breezelawn,
and then we get the ambulance coming, and then we
have all these flashing shots, like very quick cut flashing
shots that look like it's an NCIS episode, like a
crime scene of the various ways that the hydrangeas and
the grass have been torn up.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right, And that is the directorial You're right, that was
him Probably.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The other directorial choice that I don't know if this
is going to become a recurring motif and the rest
of the show.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Do you hope it does?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I no, personally no, And this is no shade at
Larry Shaw, but it was a very distinct storytelling choice
that as we move, and this is a rapid pace episode,
so it deserves these you know, propulsive quick camera movements forward.
But as we cut for each woman's storyline into the
(07:02):
next storyline, there are these crazy swooshing whippans, oh the
whippans over the picket fences, which we have never seen before,
to intersperse the different character storylines. And it happens upwards
of three or four or five or six times in
the episode. And every single time I screamed aloud, I
(07:22):
was like, oh my god, Okay, that's.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I didn't I didn't notice it either. That's so interesting,
super you know. I ran into Larry Shaw not that
long ago. I had a nail salon in Studio City.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh my god, my love.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And he's a new grand father, like a first time grandfather.
I think that maybe he was saying the baby was
like a year old and I was getting my nails done,
and I think he was going to get a pedicure.
He might have been getting a massage or something.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He sort of walked, but we totally caught up, and
you know, just like, so good to see your Larry.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Arry.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I have good I have such good feelings about Larry.
Larry and I had a thing. This is well, yeah,
it's not a thing. We didn't have a thing. Sorry,
I didn't mean no, we didn't have as.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
We didn't have a thing. But you talk about you know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You work for like fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours and sometimes
you're just so loopy on these things. And I don't
know why, but it is why we talked about this.
But it is crazy that I remember it twenty years later.
For some reason. We got on a conversation about when
you sleep in your bed and how wonderful the feeling
is when your foot finds a cool section.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That is honestly one of the joys of being a human, right,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is completely one of the joys of being a human,
finding the cool spot in the bed in the middle
of the night with your foot. And this is a
conversation Larry Shaw and I had twenty something years ago.
And I still when I think of Larry Shaw, I
think of cool sheets.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Oh not whippans. I bet you would like that.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
You know. I have to say I have known Larry
Shaw longer than I have known either of you.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
So he directed the season before Desperate Housewives. I was
on a television show that was a very short lived
ABC show called That was Then, and it was a
great show. We only got to shoot eight episodes. It
was canceled after two. But Larry Shaw directed on that,
so I met him prior to Desperate Housewives, and then
he went on to be a longtime director of Desperate
(09:19):
Housewives and producer as well.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I always liked his personality. Yeah, I liked his
vision and I liked.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
His I liked his vision too. I just the Whippans
got me.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I'm gonna have to go back and look at that again,
but I did because we touched on how competition is
a major theme in this episode, and I was curious
if you guys identify as competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well, I've written down here in my like notes everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Which there was no competition about the listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I have to let everybody know that. Emerson was just
sort of grilling me about. She's like, mom, those don't
look like that looks like a writing and like look
walk text. I just can't, which is weird because how
could I possibly pay attention to could you possible by
reading it?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Which is which is what she's going to do.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Heart know, maybe I don't want to read this, but
let's see, this is what I wrote, okay when I
paused before twenty minutes, probably closer to five. I just
have always been really hard on myself. I feel like
that's who I've competed with the most and probably not
been the kindest too. And it goes on, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I that was the gist of an looked so much
longer it is.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I know it's much much longer.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It says, you know, like when when it comes up
in my life, and it feels like it comes up
a lot when you know that you're winning or you're
beating somewhat.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
See, this is why I'm not.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You don't keep getting out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
But I do feel like competition does come up a lot.
It has to, and I mean especially in our business,
but for me, and I'm so clear on this, whether
it's a game of poker, whether it's getting a role,
whether it's you know, whatever it is, I am competing
against myself and I would I would prefer that everyone
(11:09):
could win, Like I don't frame it as aha, I
beat you, right, even if I do win something that
is framed as like there's a winner and there's a
not winner. I don't perceive it like I was better
than the not winner. I perceive it like I did
(11:29):
something well enough to be recognized. So I'm really not
comfortable with winning, you know, with with I, But I'm
very comfortable with doing my best, and.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You do your best very hard.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
At running trade game nights, she is very into doing
her best.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But again, no, but I would, I would use that example.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It isn't about beating the other team. It's about solving
the puzzle. I get very excited at about games. I
love puzzles like crazy, you know, but the it isn't
about going we kicked that other team's ass, like we
It's not that. It's really about, oh my god, we
solve all the puzzle, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like totally yeah. And I think I think I am
the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, I think I inherently fall on the non
competitive side because I am so bad at sports that
I and and also kind of like other things like
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I've never seen you be bad at anything.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But that's because I only do so many things. I
said this to someone the other day.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I was like, if I wasn't a writer, I don't
know what else I would do, And I think I
think I I do in games, in in sports, and
if the rare occasion I go bowling with friends or something,
I recognize like, this is not my lane literally and metaphor,
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this is not my lane where I expect to win.
So I'm really here to have a fun time. I'm
here to be supportive of other people who are more
likely to win. But I think when it comes to
things that I do feel skilled at. You know, when
it comes to if I'm writing a script, I am
competitive not with other writers, because what is the point
of that. Everyone has their own voice, everyone is telling
(13:18):
their own story. I could never tell someone else's story.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I once had someone ask me in a Q and
A for an animated short that I wrote and directed.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They said, and it was an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
She said, how are you the only like, how come
you are the only person who could tell this story?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I said, you know, I'm I'm not. I don't
think that I am.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm sure there are many other people who could tell
versions of this story, and they wouldn't tell it in
the way I told it, just like I wouldn't tell
it in the way that they would tell it. But
I've told this story in the way I've told it,
and I think I've tried to do it to the
best of my ability.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And that's what makes it. You know, this piece of work.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And then see it's the world that then takes that
piece of work and compares it to another piece of
work and another piece of work and says which one
is the best piece of work? And then suddenly you're
in a competition that you didn't even want to be in.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, which is you know? And of course we compare
things all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's how we make decisions about what you know, detergent
we're gonna buy in the grocery store, or you know,
what job we're gonna take or not take, or audition
for or go up with a writing sample for. But
I do think I'm competitive with myself. When I feel
like I could do something better, or if I feel
like I've underperformed of what my own expectations of myself are,
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I can be very hard on myself, and I do
work on that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I love that both of you compete with yourselves. I
consider myself competitive, and not necessarily in the good way.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That she comes from six brothers and we're both only children.
So maybe there's Yeah, I'm just sitting alone and know
something about we only did compete with ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Right, I think there might be.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I think there might be.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Because I I do like a healthy competition. I feel
like it fuels me in an exciting way and not
in a mean spirited way ever, because I'm also a
big rooter for the underdog. You know, like, even if
I'm watching a sports game that I'm invested in and
I have a team or a side and they win,
Instead of celebrating that and feeling.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Good about that, I do feel like, what about the
other team?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They're probably so disappointed, and so I have that but
you know, a segue because you happen to mention the
only child thing. I actually think this ties in a
little bit to a Susan storyline that I want to
talk about, which is this Susan getting ready for her
first date and Susan and Julie have a scene while
she's getting ready where Julie asks Susan if she's packed
(15:41):
protection and Susan.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Says a crazy conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, it's a crazy conversation.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
And Susan says, I can't believe you asked me that,
or something like that, and then Julie says, well, I
ask because I enjoy being an only child. And I
just thought, as someone who has so many siblings and
I can't understand what it was like to grow up
as an only child. I would love to hear a little
bit more about your experience as being an only child.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, honestly, I love being an only child.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I also don't know anything different, and so I
am a big believer in you know, what is the
point of wanting or regretting things that aren't gonna happen
or have already happened. You know, I am not gonna
not be an only child. So maybe I've just made
peace with it, and that's why I enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I love kids.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean, I worked as a kindergarten teacher all through college.
I think there's a part of me that I mean,
I really relish the opportunity to kind of be a
faux big sister to my friends' younger siblings.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I think I would have loved to have had.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
A sibling, or at least my fantasy idea of having
a sibling. But I also think I am definitely the
person that I am in some part because I was
an only child, and I did get to, you know,
kind of dictate what I was interested in doing, and
my parents were really supportive of that and didn't have
to factor in maybe what my sibling also was interested
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in doing, or two siblings were interested in doing. And
I do think they did a very good job of
helping me learn how to how to share things. Although
I will say I write, I like writing, I think
because I am in control of building a world myself
and I and you know, and then it becomes very
(17:23):
collaborative when you get a director involved and you get
producers involved in those notes. But I think I am
very comfortable by myself, and that is a tendency I
think I acquired as an only child, and I sometimes
need I sometimes will like look at my girlfriend or
look at my friend Andy, be like, Okay, I actually
really need I need alone time. Now I think about
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actually I'm thinking about mom, when I used to play
barbies with you.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Oh gosh, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
My god, this is okay, this is actually like nightmare
only child behavior. When I was a little kid, I
would play dolls with my mom and we'd each be
at all and she would go, okay, and now this
Barbie is going to the grocery store, and I would go,
know she isn't. She would go, oh, okay, she's gonna
go to her friend's house and I would know she isn't.
And my mom would go, Okay, well what is she
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going to do? And I would go, well, I don't know,
but that's not what she's gonna do. I was already
trying to control writing the story.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I do kind of remember to the point of being like, listen,
if I'm going to try to create these stories to
play a game with you, and you're just gonna keep
shutting me down, have you not been to the improv class?
And exactly yes, and logic of story telling because I'm
just gonna go drink some wine.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
If you're going to keep it up with the nose.
She's not a vet.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Wow, she's not a hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I mean, you.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Get your real job, you get it at home from Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Your grandpa really put up with that. But he had
the most endless he was retired. No, he had the
most endless patience for that. I would definitely get to
the point where I'd be like, if you don't, I
don't know what to say, but you're not letting me
tell the story that's very funny.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That is a very well child.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And I really always wished for siblings.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
But I been a household that was, you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Know, not not particularly pleasant or happy or playful, loving
or Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of stress
and discourse and yelling. And I think I really crave
two things. One for my parents to get divorced because
I thought maybe they'd be happier because there was just
no happening.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That's so much for your little it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then too that there would be somebody else there
that I could sort of weather it with, and there wasn't.
So yeah, it's I mean, we could get a therapist
in here, and you could do it about the certainly,
as you said, you can't go back, you can't change
it whatever. So you look at what you got out
of it. And for sure what I got out of
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it was, you know, some some independence, some self like
like I just made things happen myself, you know what
I mean, like like, and that's it can be good
and bad, but it is a characteristic of somebody I
think that's successful.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So ye, Andrea, if you only have one child.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right, okay, she'll be more than Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Yeah, Well, so back in the in the storyline of
talking about as we continue to weave our way with
competition being an overarching theme here, we then have the
scene with Tom and Lynette where Tom asks her to
throw an impromptu dinner party for his colleagues, and in
that conversation he ends up comparing her to the one
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and only breeand acam right, And of course you can
tell instantly that that is not going to go over
well for Tom.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean, Tom is honestly a piece of work. In
this scene, I am like, Tom, come on, how.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Great is this where you actually wrote something down?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
When you do that, I didn't have that that happens later, Okay,
but no, I think I just I was really I
was frustrated at Tom, and more than frustrated, you know what,
I was disappointed in him.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I know we said this maybe an episode two or
episode three, that like, the men are really standing out
to me as their character development happens, and in a
way that I think when we were shooting it, we
were so absorbed in like what the women's storylines were
and also what was happening to us as a show
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in the real world that I don't know that I
I don't know, considered, especially since I didn't work with
Doug and I didn't work with Mark, and I didn't
work with Ricardo. Like I wasn't really considering. I wonder
what their journey is like on this, But when you
look at it, all that comes up for me is
how did Doug do this? He must have felt like
such an ass, right, Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And it's kind of interesting because as a viewer, I
have to say that I can recognize the behavior is bad,
and yet I still find Tom to be very likable.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I think that, do you know, amazing ability as.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
A performer to to straddle both of those lines.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, in some ways their marriage is my favorite marriage.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Even though in this moment I found found myself going
and I think it is because, speaking of competition, I
am so competitive with myself that I really felt for
Lynette in this moment because I feel like when I
am in the process of working on something and I
have all of my own self criticisms in my head
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and all of the different bars I've set for myself
in my head that I need to achieve at a
certain time, and I'm walking around just carrying this universe
of competition inside of me, and then one external voice goes, oh,
you couldn't do that better?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
That can like completely fell me.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Right, you know, just Derail, I really.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I really felt. I feel like Lynette is that type
of person as well.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
And of course she's keeping the secret right now that
her whole inner world is sort of collapsing as she's
utilizing this ADHD medication to get her Yeah, so she's
got keeping that from from Tom and so that only
his comment only fuels that battle. Whether or not it's
a full blown addiction, I don't know, but that that
(23:31):
struggle she's having it only fuels it to go even further.
And then she takes it on by saying, no, you
know what, let's do it. Let's go ahead and have that.
Let's go ahead and have that dinner party and see
which see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh god, I just feel and we have we have
so many different storylines kind of getting fueled to go
even further. You know, we have the women showing up
to the book club, which.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
By the way, I no, no, you got I was
just gonna say I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh really no, clearly because you saw the movie and
you didn't read the book.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I loved that all the housewives were just like flipping
through it, trying to get to the back page as
fast as we did.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Solve one thing. The baby's back. Lynnette's baby is in
that scene.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Oh my god, you are Sonette is pushing a stroller
and so there is a apparently allegedly a baby in there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So some producer got in there and I was like,
it's actually been seven episodes.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, the baby, the baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I didn't remember there being a book club on Wisteria Lane,
and I would bet you guys twenty dollars that we
don't have a book club again in this season.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, clearly you're using it as an excuse for wine.
And then also to split off into the little click,
which I love when Brie, again Brie, with all of
the amazing moments, does so you helped me with the appetizers,
and then she shuts the other woman whoever they are,
who are they in the kitchen and turns back and says,
you know, okay, what is going on? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And Susan reveals what she found out from Julie about Zach.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, and the mysterious Dana name, which we will find out,
you know, a potential lead of who that relates to
later when Lynette and Susan find the blanket.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
In her garage.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
So we have that going on, and then across the
street we have Paul, who they're all talking about. Who's
hired this p I right, which is actually my favorite
line comes from our wonderful private Investigators have.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The same favorite line.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Again, I get to say this.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You said last week that's right, and I'm not competitive. No,
my favorite line was when he looks at Paul and
he goes sometimes evil drives a minivan.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes, it's so good. That's my favorite line.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And I love when, and this has happened a few
times for us, when the guest stars or the recurring
characters are the ones who have our favorite lines. I
just think that's so cool that our writers wrote everyone
so well that it wasn't only reserved for the main cast.
You know, that wealth of interesting, exciting, fiery, funny dialogue
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was really spread out evenly.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and it also puts you as a writer if
I feel like they are creating a world that all
exists in the same tone, you know, all not the
characters all sound very distinct, which of course, is the
hallmark of a good writer to have distinct different characters' voices,
but I feel like they speak and exist in a similar,
somewhat heightened reality. That then makes the whole show work
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because everyone's existing on the same plane of that somewhat
soapy but also grounded world that everyone's buying into.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, it's tricky but wonderful.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah. So then we've got Bri and Rex that they
are called into the principal's office.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They need to be called into the principles.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I love this scene. I loved the different points
of view of the of Brie and Rex. I mean,
because their son punches somebody and breaks his nose, I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Their son is struggling.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, and and and in a real way. I mean,
I think kids going through divorce can have a really
hard time, especially when they're older, and they and they
you know, and I don't think this is a family
that's very good at expressing and communicating their feelings obviously,
so I'm sure that only makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But I mean, it's it is. I guess classic how
one parent has this. You know, it's not that big
of a deal. We can just pay for it and
you know, apologize and me and the and and the
other one.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
It has a completely other reaction.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I also thought it was interesting from a character development
standpoint that once again you have Rex doing revealing something
about their personal life in a public way. So him
revealing to bree that he went to a divorce attorney
and he will be serving her papers that day that day,
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that happens in front of the principle, It doesn't he
And I wonder why can't he do this in a
private way, the way that bree clearly has demanded and
asked for and expresses a preference for, and he always
does it in a public way. And I think it's,
like I wondered to myself watching it, is Rex so
scared of what Breez's real reaction would be behind closed
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doors that he.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Has to do it just so mad. Yeah, and he
wants to humiliate her. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Then we get that great cut back to the principal,
and I think detention will be okay, you.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Going on, but yeah, but but but yeah, there's a
lot to go with the dynamics between bri and Rex
nownavigating the potential dissolution of their marriage and how it
relates to their children in this episode.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I really felt like in that scene in particular,
I think both Brie and Rex are using their son
as a vehicle to talk about Rex more than they
are to actually talk about their son. You know, Brie
is saying someone needs to hold him accountable, someone needs
to stand up.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
For his behavior.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It feels like all of her anger at her husband
is being directed onto their sons acting out, and Rex
is kind of classically going, I don't think it's that
big of a deal. I think maybe he was justified
in it. And it feels like he could even be
talking about himself a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, and then we get back to you brought it
up a little bit. Susan and Julie getting ready for
the date and the whole looks so pretty in that scene.
D that dress is hideous. I actually have my note
is wtf? Exclamation point exclamation Can we talk about that dress? Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
On mine in all caps?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Terry looks amazing in that date dress? What do you
remember about where were there multiple choices or was that
was that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Or do you remember?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I I don't exactly remember I feel like there probably
were some choices, but I I don't think I felt
confident in that. Really, No, I don't think so. And
then like, look, is that because it was tight? Yeah,
I think so. I think I think so. And I'm
not sure I was wearing a bra and I think
that makes me.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Up to I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, well, what it's worth. I got I read.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And your hair looked amazing. Yeah, and I just loved
the framing of you in the foreground.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Kind of a nineties vibe, which was, you know, it
was obviously two thousand and four, but I felt like
it gave great nineties vibes.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Okay, So my.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Favorite thing about the thing, yes, is I think we
just have to say that this is the point in
the story where it becomes very clear that Edie and
Susan are going to be the best Foils ever.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it is like frickin' frack.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
In fact, they should just do the Edie and Susan
show because it is really I I don't want to
say I didn't remember Nicolette being so good, because I
knew she was good, but like it's sort of the
way we're I keep talking about Marsha like and I
wasn't there for a lot of breeze scenes, but I
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mean Nicolette's delivery of some of this stuff is just
it's just flawless, comedic timing. It's so much fun.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yes, since we covered Emerson's favorite line, which happened to
also be my favorite line, I'll take this as a
very strong backup option because I did think it was fantastic,
which is when Edie says, get a load of you.
You look so pretty. I hardly recognized you. And Nicolette's
delivery was perfect and what a line, what a backhanded compliment.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And then the physical comedy of how confidently Susan trots
across the street in her sexy.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Little dress and then.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Mike has his unexpected to visit her when she walks
back across the street with the purse in front of
her face, like she doesn't want Edie to say anything
about it. Yeah, it's just this that really killed.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But aren't they just great together?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh they're still great. I want the use.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Of f yi between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I also felt like that was very y two K
texting abbreviation.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Just f yi.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yes, yeah, I have to say too, just on a
slightly more hefty note. I have this recollection about Susan
and the court of public opinion about Susan kind of
being the most desperate one or the most at least
in the category of love, you know, and maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That I've heard the annoying okay, okay, or maybe annoying
the most.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And only may.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Yeah, and that might be true as we continue on
and we learn more and more about Susan and whatever.
But I have to say, I just want to applaud Susan.
I just want to give some kudos to Susan in
these early episodes, because she is being really transparent with Mike.
You know. She is like when she when when she
sees that there's this mysterious hot girl there, hot woman, my.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
God, bending into the convertible and hers.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And her jeans, and she's just there and beautiful.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And she could try to be cool in front of Mike,
and she could try to act like, oh, I don't care,
that doesn't throw me. I'm I'm confident, quote unquote, you know,
I'm unflappable, and instead she chooses to say, no, actually,
I am a little confused as to what is going
on here.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, now you're canceling our date. We finally have a.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Date, and and she chooses to confront him, and I thought, hey,
way to go. That is really cool. And so I
felt like that was a great moment for Susan. She
was being brave and for flammable, she's not unable.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I mean I am.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I am rooting for them to come together because I
love you see how much he wants it too. I
mean Susan doesn't see it, but we see as the viewer.
You know, even the cut back and forth to I
loved seeing their various Mic and Susan support systems for
getting ready for the date. You've Susan with Julie obviously
getting ready. Julie is giving her her time about protection
(34:12):
and how she doesn't want to she wants to remain
an only child.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But then you cut to Mike.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
With the dog with the dog and he's asking how
he looks, and he's trying on his blazer, and I could.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Just cry, I could Mike secutity. Mike's acute with a secret,
but acuting I.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Know with a secret that that deepens continually this episode
as other secrets. Yes, well, I was going to say
Gabby's secret. Mm hm, Wanita is finally onto we have Okay,
I need a moment for the red flip phone flip
phone that she the rose on the bed that then
(34:48):
Wanita picks up and here's John. What does he say,
if you're going to talk dirty to me, don't.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Even try to talk dirty to you know, to make
it up to me or something.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Exactly the worst thing you could say to someone who
was very incriminal.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I did have a pang over the flip phones I
and I know I think only the BlackBerry. Yeah, I
think these things are kind of coming back. I've heard
that there might be flip phones back in coming back nowadays.
I think there's something very satisfying about hanging up a phone,
and we can't do that today's phone.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Hanging up on someone.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You know, when you flip the phone closed, it does
feel like there's a finality to the conversation you were
having in versus just a little like boop with your fingers.
So I appreciated the flip phone moment as well, Emerson,
I really liked that part.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So yeah, I also really appreciated the scene between Edie
and Paul.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Oh well, talk about mysteries deepening.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, And and I loved the choice that Nicolette made
to be putting on lipstick and sort of like to
make a casual thing out of talking about someone killing
themselves in the house. Yeah, to play that juxtaposition of like,
I'm not really paying attention to this, It's more important
(36:06):
for me to get my lipstick exactly right. But yes,
you can't have a dead person in the house and
still sell it for a good price, you.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Know, like that. Yeah, she did such a good job. Yeah,
she really did. She really did.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
And how convenient that we have a realtor right on
the block. I thought that, I know, you know, she's
right there. You can just say, hey, can you sell
the house?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But even more convenient, he gets the paper exactly she
leaves behind her her binder, which has that I love
that the private investigator has tracked the paper distributor of
the lavender paper that the note has come on. And
then we find that blank, blank slip of paper, which
it was interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Because in Edie's notebook blank. Yeah, And I was like,
was she gonna write another note?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Did she write the note stationary?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
You could keep your stationary. I think it's her stationary,
she gets.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Her number and all a lot.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Yes, I think she has it everywhere with her just
a little slip so that she can pass around those digits.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But it's a cool way that the storyline is that
mystery part is starting to reveal itself. Yeah, and also
the mysterious girl. And this is back to my stopping
the thing at twenty minutes going oh my god, like
Gabby's mother in law knows she's she's having an affair,
Like there's all this mystery that's happening. Lynette's life is
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blowing up.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So is Breeze. It was a lot, Yeah, it was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It was a jam packed episode. And then we get
Rex bribing his children. Yeah, with a car. I mean
that's the biggest bribe. I feel like you can give
a child who is of driving barely of driving age.
And then also with the modeling agency works University for
(37:54):
what is it called, it's like New York.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Model New York.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it's name for Danielle, which obviously Gabby has kind
of teed up because she wants to get rid of
the boyfriend's teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Talk about competition.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
They're not backing off of this teenage affair thing.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, I mean, I I did actually write down
here you go, I said, whoa, wow, Gabby is so
predatory in this scene with John. Honestly, it's giving what
we would now call the term grooming, even though they
didn't have the term for that.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Then oh wow, yeah, yeah, all the way, it is
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I think I agree that I did kind of find
myself asking.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Why you know, so manipulated and you're an adult. I mean,
Gabby's character, isn't it just But.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Here's something I had written down, which is that Gabrielle
which says to John on the phone, Oh, that sounds
like you're it sounds like you have a date. Well,
I have a problem with you seeing other girls, And
I wrote down I think it's very interesting she uses
the term girls as though she's including herself, you know,
and like why I mean, she of course can't use
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the word women because Danielle is not, you know, a woman,
She is, in fact a girl.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But I thought that is weird. What is going on
with Gabrielle?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, I mean it's the sex that good?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Or like, I mean, okay, do you have like Ben
having been a teenager, I can't imagine it is right,
I can't imagine it is.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
That not a good excuse won't hold up in court,
you know, not a good enough excuse even if it
is that good.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, I just I wonder what. I wonder what she
felt about this storyline, you know, And again I can.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Only because she's she's doing such good job.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And that kind of goes back to I think it's
an actor's responsibilit to fill up, fill up the homework,
you know, fill up the why is a character behaving
the way they're behaving, even if the audience never hears that.
You have to do something for yourself. So it would
be interesting to hear what she created or if she
like kind of bumped up against this, or maybe she
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didn't like maybe it's just funny, right and clever, and
maybe you just don't think about it.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yeah, but at this point, I'll say, in the storyline,
I feel as though, in terms of redeeming themselves, I
would think Gabrielle and Carlos have the most work to
do as.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
A unit to redeem their characters.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Definitely, and they're.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Both wonderful and doing a great job. There is so
much more of this episode to talk about. I mean,
Lynette strung out in the park breeze, heartbroken before our eyes,
as her children take Rex's side in their breakup, and
the iconic.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Full riding scene with Susan and Edie. So stay tuned.
Part two of this episode will drop later this week.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Until then, we remain despertly devoted to you.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
M hmm,
Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher,
my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life
daughter Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
This week we are talking about episode seven.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Anything You Can Do, which aired November twenty First, can
you say thousand four?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Can you say anything you can do? Without saying I
can do better?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I can't?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I sing, AMC Yeah, I feel compelled to get up
in taplates.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
That's not really part of a podcast, is it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I mean it could be.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This This episode, I have to say, is a huge episode,
and it is the first episode where I went, oh shit,
I want to binge this hole right.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So much happens in this I mean I actually paused
it twenty minutes in and I looked at it because
I was like, this is crazy. I could not believe
how much was happening. At twenty minutes in, which is
halfway into the show, you already had Rex serving Bree
divorce papers. You had Lynette dubiously scrounging around for more adhdmons,
(01:06):
and you had Susan's first official date with Mike totally
foiled by this mysterious new girl. And you had Gabby's
mother in law finally get onto her affair. I mean
that all happened in twenty minutes. What happened in the
other twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know we'll talk about it today.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Yes, yeah, yeah, this specific episode is just a masterclass
in deepening all of the lead characters' personal stories while
continuing to move the mystery plot along.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
There's so much to get into, and I know that
we always like to start with sharing what we found
to be our most desperate moments that we're looking forward
to talking about when we get into this episode.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yes, what was it for you?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I think for me, I mean it is hard, but
I think for me the stress that Lynette is going
through and her exhaustion and she's struggling to keep up
with her own expectations of herself. I know we touched
on it a little bit, that character's like it's starting
to explode, you know, from the last episode. But I
just find that to be a compelling, relatable issue that
(02:07):
just continues to strike me.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah, for me, I would say the most desperate moment
is it has to be Missus Hooper dragging that poor
collapsed jogger over into Bree's yard just to mess up
how pristine and perfect from yards. I mean, I really
think that missus Huber is the messiest character.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
It really is a messy bitch.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I hate to say it, Okay, I think I have
to say my most desperate moment is Susan jumping into
that bull ring, tying up.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Her shirt and waving that hat over her head.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Which I've got to tell you is a gift on
I think text. If you go to text someone like yeehaw,
a photo of you doing that or.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
A little video of you doing and now I know what,
I'm incorporating it all.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Say yehaw much more often than I did I normally did. Yeah,
I've seen that gift. It's pretty it's pretty funny that
that's kind of made it into the whatever.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Anyways, so okay, great, well this is going to be
a big one.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
So's okay.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I totally agree with the whole Hydrangea lawn situation.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Was unrivaled open in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
It really, it really is, and just.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
The idea of setting the whole thing up of competition
in general. I mean, we were talking a little bit
in the last episode about women supporting women or not
supporting women, and and and then now here we are
with competition and at its core winning and life and
your household being a game that you have to.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Beat others at and be better. It's sort of amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And we just we get that shot where you see
the as Mary Alice is narrating, you see the one
jogger who kind of looks like a normal dad bod
suburban jogger, and then so quickly this Adonnis just comes
leaping out of.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
A tree, lapping him.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I love how he starts running harder and harder, obviously
culminating in the poor dad bod jogger collapsing hopefully not dead.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He has an oxygen mascot. As they wheeled him away, they.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Get a glimmer.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I did think it. I did think he had died.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean he looked pretty dead in the wheelbarrow that
Missus Hooper was wheeling over to breeze lawn.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Oh man, missus again.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It just you know, we should pick out as scenes
and we should. I mean, for sure the naked in
the bushes would be one of them. But like we
should be making a list because I have her Missus
Hooper wheelbarrowing the guy over to the other lawn and
then dumping him in the hydrangs is beyond it.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Is and I completely forgot about it. I mean I
shed it feeling like I had never seen this before.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But again, we weren't there, yeah, when we was being shot,
And I always come back to this.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
It's like being in a show that I actually.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Wasn't in because so much of it happened that I
didn't witness being filmed, and so it is exciting to
see it. I kind of do wish, you know, I
want to say, like to to Christine, like you know.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Was it hard to push that guy?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know, where the wheels rusty on that wheelbarrel? Every
time I've ever tried to wheel anything in a wheelbarrel,
it's not that easyasy you know, she really.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Just down sidewalk.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I also made me think, do you guys remember in
other episodes there have been comments about lawns, like I think, Yeah,
Freeze character says something about loving what Mary Alice did
with the lawn, and it made me think. We've talked
about the writer's room, and we've talked about our fantasy
that these writers are having so much fun writing things
for John the gardener about you know, his tube socks
(05:43):
and his rubber ducky and his and his cheerleading squaws,
his math class and his algebra questions. And it made
me think somebody in that writing room is obsessed with lawns.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, I mean it is the perfect analogy for the
grass is always greener on the other neighbors. Jamerson, Yeah,
I also have to say big shout out to the Raiders.
But also Larry Shaw directed this episode, and I was
gagged at.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Some of the directing choices.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It started with when the body is dumped on Breezelawn,
and then we get the ambulance coming, and then we
have all these flashing shots, like very quick cut flashing
shots that look like it's an NCIS episode, like a
crime scene of the various ways that the hydrangeas and
the grass have been torn up.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right, And that is the directorial You're right, that was
him Probably.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
The other directorial choice that I don't know if this
is going to become a recurring motif and the rest
of the show.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Do you hope it does?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I no, personally no, And this is no shade at
Larry Shaw, but it was a very distinct storytelling choice
that as we move, and this is a rapid pace episode,
so it deserves these you know, propulsive quick camera movements forward.
But as we cut for each woman's storyline into the
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next storyline, there are these crazy swooshing whippans, oh the
whippans over the picket fences, which we have never seen before,
to intersperse the different character storylines. And it happens upwards
of three or four or five or six times in
the episode. And every single time I screamed aloud, I
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was like, oh my god, Okay, that's.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I didn't I didn't notice it either. That's so interesting,
super you know. I ran into Larry Shaw not that
long ago. I had a nail salon in Studio City.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh my god, my love.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And he's a new grand father, like a first time grandfather.
I think that maybe he was saying the baby was
like a year old and I was getting my nails done,
and I think he was going to get a pedicure.
He might have been getting a massage or something.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He sort of walked, but we totally caught up, and
you know, just like, so good to see your Larry.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Arry.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I have good I have such good feelings about Larry.
Larry and I had a thing. This is well, yeah,
it's not a thing. We didn't have a thing. Sorry,
I didn't mean no, we didn't have as.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
We didn't have a thing. But you talk about you know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You work for like fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours and sometimes
you're just so loopy on these things. And I don't
know why, but it is why we talked about this.
But it is crazy that I remember it twenty years later.
For some reason. We got on a conversation about when
you sleep in your bed and how wonderful the feeling
is when your foot finds a cool section.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That is honestly one of the joys of being a human, right,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It is completely one of the joys of being a human,
finding the cool spot in the bed in the middle
of the night with your foot. And this is a
conversation Larry Shaw and I had twenty something years ago.
And I still when I think of Larry Shaw, I
think of cool sheets.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Oh not whippans. I bet you would like that.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
You know. I have to say I have known Larry
Shaw longer than I have known either of you.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
So he directed the season before Desperate Housewives. I was
on a television show that was a very short lived
ABC show called That was Then, and it was a
great show. We only got to shoot eight episodes. It
was canceled after two. But Larry Shaw directed on that,
so I met him prior to Desperate Housewives, and then
he went on to be a longtime director of Desperate
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Housewives and producer as well.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So I always liked his personality. Yeah, I liked his
vision and I liked.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
His I liked his vision too. I just the Whippans
got me.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
I'm gonna have to go back and look at that again,
but I did because we touched on how competition is
a major theme in this episode, and I was curious
if you guys identify as competitive.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Well, I've written down here in my like notes everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Which there was no competition about the listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I have to let everybody know that. Emerson was just
sort of grilling me about. She's like, mom, those don't
look like that looks like a writing and like look
walk text. I just can't, which is weird because how
could I possibly pay attention to could you possible by
reading it?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Which is which is what she's going to do.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Heart know, maybe I don't want to read this, but
let's see, this is what I wrote, okay when I
paused before twenty minutes, probably closer to five. I just
have always been really hard on myself. I feel like
that's who I've competed with the most and probably not
been the kindest too. And it goes on, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I that was the gist of an looked so much
longer it is.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
I know it's much much longer.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It says, you know, like when when it comes up
in my life, and it feels like it comes up
a lot when you know that you're winning or you're
beating somewhat.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
See, this is why I'm not.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You don't keep getting out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
But I do feel like competition does come up a lot.
It has to, and I mean especially in our business,
but for me, and I'm so clear on this, whether
it's a game of poker, whether it's getting a role,
whether it's you know, whatever it is, I am competing
against myself and I would I would prefer that everyone
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could win, Like I don't frame it as aha, I
beat you, right, even if I do win something that
is framed as like there's a winner and there's a
not winner. I don't perceive it like I was better
than the not winner. I perceive it like I did
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something well enough to be recognized. So I'm really not
comfortable with winning, you know, with with I, But I'm
very comfortable with doing my best, and.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You do your best very hard.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
At running trade game nights, she is very into doing
her best.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But again, no, but I would, I would use that example.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It isn't about beating the other team. It's about solving
the puzzle. I get very excited at about games. I
love puzzles like crazy, you know, but the it isn't
about going we kicked that other team's ass, like we
It's not that. It's really about, oh my god, we
solve all the puzzle, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Like totally yeah. And I think I think I am
the same way.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, I think I inherently fall on the non
competitive side because I am so bad at sports that
I and and also kind of like other things like
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I've never seen you be bad at anything.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But that's because I only do so many things. I
said this to someone the other day.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I was like, if I wasn't a writer, I don't
know what else I would do, And I think I
think I I do in games, in in sports, and
if the rare occasion I go bowling with friends or something,
I recognize like, this is not my lane literally and metaphor,
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this is not my lane where I expect to win.
So I'm really here to have a fun time. I'm
here to be supportive of other people who are more
likely to win. But I think when it comes to
things that I do feel skilled at. You know, when
it comes to if I'm writing a script, I am
competitive not with other writers, because what is the point
of that. Everyone has their own voice, everyone is telling
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their own story. I could never tell someone else's story.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I once had someone ask me in a Q and
A for an animated short that I wrote and directed.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They said, and it was an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
She said, how are you the only like, how come
you are the only person who could tell this story?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I said, you know, I'm I'm not. I don't
think that I am.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I'm sure there are many other people who could tell
versions of this story, and they wouldn't tell it in
the way I told it, just like I wouldn't tell
it in the way that they would tell it. But
I've told this story in the way I've told it,
and I think I've tried to do it to the
best of my ability.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And that's what makes it. You know, this piece of work.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And then see it's the world that then takes that
piece of work and compares it to another piece of
work and another piece of work and says which one
is the best piece of work? And then suddenly you're
in a competition that you didn't even want to be in.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, which is you know? And of course we compare
things all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's how we make decisions about what you know, detergent
we're gonna buy in the grocery store, or you know,
what job we're gonna take or not take, or audition
for or go up with a writing sample for. But
I do think I'm competitive with myself. When I feel
like I could do something better, or if I feel
like I've underperformed of what my own expectations of myself are,
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I can be very hard on myself, and I do
work on that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
I love that both of you compete with yourselves. I
consider myself competitive, and not necessarily in the good way.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That she comes from six brothers and we're both only children.
So maybe there's Yeah, I'm just sitting alone and know
something about we only did compete with ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Right, I think there might be.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
I think there might be.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Because I I do like a healthy competition. I feel
like it fuels me in an exciting way and not
in a mean spirited way ever, because I'm also a
big rooter for the underdog. You know, like, even if
I'm watching a sports game that I'm invested in and
I have a team or a side and they win,
Instead of celebrating that and feeling.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Good about that, I do feel like, what about the
other team?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
They're probably so disappointed, and so I have that but
you know, a segue because you happen to mention the
only child thing. I actually think this ties in a
little bit to a Susan storyline that I want to
talk about, which is this Susan getting ready for her
first date and Susan and Julie have a scene while
she's getting ready where Julie asks Susan if she's packed
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protection and Susan.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Says a crazy conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, it's a crazy conversation.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
And Susan says, I can't believe you asked me that,
or something like that, and then Julie says, well, I
ask because I enjoy being an only child. And I
just thought, as someone who has so many siblings and
I can't understand what it was like to grow up
as an only child. I would love to hear a little
bit more about your experience as being an only child.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, honestly, I love being an only child.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I also don't know anything different, and so I
am a big believer in you know, what is the
point of wanting or regretting things that aren't gonna happen
or have already happened. You know, I am not gonna
not be an only child. So maybe I've just made
peace with it, and that's why I enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I love kids.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean, I worked as a kindergarten teacher all through college.
I think there's a part of me that I mean,
I really relish the opportunity to kind of be a
faux big sister to my friends' younger siblings.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I think I would have loved to have had.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
A sibling, or at least my fantasy idea of having
a sibling. But I also think I am definitely the
person that I am in some part because I was
an only child, and I did get to, you know,
kind of dictate what I was interested in doing, and
my parents were really supportive of that and didn't have
to factor in maybe what my sibling also was interested
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in doing, or two siblings were interested in doing. And
I do think they did a very good job of
helping me learn how to how to share things. Although
I will say I write, I like writing, I think
because I am in control of building a world myself
and I and you know, and then it becomes very
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collaborative when you get a director involved and you get
producers involved in those notes. But I think I am
very comfortable by myself, and that is a tendency I
think I acquired as an only child, and I sometimes
need I sometimes will like look at my girlfriend or
look at my friend Andy, be like, Okay, I actually
really need I need alone time. Now I think about
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actually I'm thinking about mom, when I used to play
barbies with you.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Oh gosh, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
My god, this is okay, this is actually like nightmare
only child behavior. When I was a little kid, I
would play dolls with my mom and we'd each be
at all and she would go, okay, and now this
Barbie is going to the grocery store, and I would go,
know she isn't. She would go, oh, okay, she's gonna
go to her friend's house and I would know she isn't.
And my mom would go, Okay, well what is she
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going to do? And I would go, well, I don't know,
but that's not what she's gonna do. I was already
trying to control writing the story.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I do kind of remember to the point of being like, listen,
if I'm going to try to create these stories to
play a game with you, and you're just gonna keep
shutting me down, have you not been to the improv class?
And exactly yes, and logic of story telling because I'm
just gonna go drink some wine.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
If you're going to keep it up with the nose.
She's not a vet.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Wow, she's not a hurt.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I mean, you.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Get your real job, you get it at home from Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Your grandpa really put up with that. But he had
the most endless he was retired. No, he had the
most endless patience for that. I would definitely get to
the point where I'd be like, if you don't, I
don't know what to say, but you're not letting me
tell the story that's very funny.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That is a very well child.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And I really always wished for siblings.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
But I been a household that was, you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Know, not not particularly pleasant or happy or playful, loving
or Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of stress
and discourse and yelling. And I think I really crave
two things. One for my parents to get divorced because
I thought maybe they'd be happier because there was just
no happening.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
That's so much for your little it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then too that there would be somebody else there
that I could sort of weather it with, and there wasn't.
So yeah, it's I mean, we could get a therapist
in here, and you could do it about the certainly,
as you said, you can't go back, you can't change
it whatever. So you look at what you got out
of it. And for sure what I got out of
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it was, you know, some some independence, some self like
like I just made things happen myself, you know what
I mean, like like, and that's it can be good
and bad, but it is a characteristic of somebody I
think that's successful.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
So ye, Andrea, if you only have one child.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Right, okay, she'll be more than Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Yeah, Well, so back in the in the storyline of
talking about as we continue to weave our way with
competition being an overarching theme here, we then have the
scene with Tom and Lynette where Tom asks her to
throw an impromptu dinner party for his colleagues, and in
that conversation he ends up comparing her to the one
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and only breeand acam right, And of course you can
tell instantly that that is not going to go over
well for Tom.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I mean, Tom is honestly a piece of work. In
this scene, I am like, Tom, come on, how.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Great is this where you actually wrote something down?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
When you do that, I didn't have that that happens later, Okay,
but no, I think I just I was really I
was frustrated at Tom, and more than frustrated, you know what,
I was disappointed in him.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I know we said this maybe an episode two or
episode three, that like, the men are really standing out
to me as their character development happens, and in a
way that I think when we were shooting it, we
were so absorbed in like what the women's storylines were
and also what was happening to us as a show
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in the real world that I don't know that I
I don't know, considered, especially since I didn't work with
Doug and I didn't work with Mark, and I didn't
work with Ricardo. Like I wasn't really considering. I wonder
what their journey is like on this, But when you
look at it, all that comes up for me is
how did Doug do this? He must have felt like
such an ass, right, Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
And it's kind of interesting because as a viewer, I
have to say that I can recognize the behavior is bad,
and yet I still find Tom to be very likable.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I think that, do you know, amazing ability as.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
A performer to to straddle both of those lines.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, in some ways their marriage is my favorite marriage.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Even though in this moment I found found myself going
and I think it is because, speaking of competition, I
am so competitive with myself that I really felt for
Lynette in this moment because I feel like when I
am in the process of working on something and I
have all of my own self criticisms in my head
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and all of the different bars I've set for myself
in my head that I need to achieve at a
certain time, and I'm walking around just carrying this universe
of competition inside of me, and then one external voice goes, oh,
you couldn't do that better?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
That can like completely fell me.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Right, you know, just Derail, I really.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I really felt. I feel like Lynette is that type
of person as well.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
And of course she's keeping the secret right now that
her whole inner world is sort of collapsing as she's
utilizing this ADHD medication to get her Yeah, so she's
got keeping that from from Tom and so that only
his comment only fuels that battle. Whether or not it's
a full blown addiction, I don't know, but that that
(23:31):
struggle she's having it only fuels it to go even further.
And then she takes it on by saying, no, you
know what, let's do it. Let's go ahead and have that.
Let's go ahead and have that dinner party and see
which see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Oh god, I just feel and we have we have
so many different storylines kind of getting fueled to go
even further. You know, we have the women showing up
to the book club, which.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
By the way, I no, no, you got I was
just gonna say I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Oh really no, clearly because you saw the movie and
you didn't read the book.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I loved that all the housewives were just like flipping
through it, trying to get to the back page as
fast as we did.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Solve one thing. The baby's back. Lynnette's baby is in
that scene.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Oh my god, you are Sonette is pushing a stroller
and so there is a apparently allegedly a baby in there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So some producer got in there and I was like,
it's actually been seven episodes.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, the baby, the baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I didn't remember there being a book club on Wisteria Lane,
and I would bet you guys twenty dollars that we
don't have a book club again in this season.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Well, clearly you're using it as an excuse for wine.
And then also to split off into the little click,
which I love when Brie, again Brie, with all of
the amazing moments, does so you helped me with the appetizers,
and then she shuts the other woman whoever they are,
who are they in the kitchen and turns back and says,
you know, okay, what is going on? Right?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And Susan reveals what she found out from Julie about Zach.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, and the mysterious Dana name, which we will find out,
you know, a potential lead of who that relates to
later when Lynette and Susan find the blanket.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
In her garage.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
So we have that going on, and then across the
street we have Paul, who they're all talking about. Who's
hired this p I right, which is actually my favorite
line comes from our wonderful private Investigators have.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
The same favorite line.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Again, I get to say this.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You said last week that's right, and I'm not competitive. No,
my favorite line was when he looks at Paul and
he goes sometimes evil drives a minivan.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yes, it's so good. That's my favorite line.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And I love when, and this has happened a few
times for us, when the guest stars or the recurring
characters are the ones who have our favorite lines. I
just think that's so cool that our writers wrote everyone
so well that it wasn't only reserved for the main cast.
You know, that wealth of interesting, exciting, fiery, funny dialogue
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was really spread out evenly.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and it also puts you as a writer if
I feel like they are creating a world that all
exists in the same tone, you know, all not the
characters all sound very distinct, which of course, is the
hallmark of a good writer to have distinct different characters' voices,
but I feel like they speak and exist in a similar,
somewhat heightened reality. That then makes the whole show work
(26:25):
because everyone's existing on the same plane of that somewhat
soapy but also grounded world that everyone's buying into.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, it's tricky but wonderful.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah. So then we've got Bri and Rex that they
are called into the principal's office.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They need to be called into the principles.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I love this scene. I loved the different points
of view of the of Brie and Rex. I mean,
because their son punches somebody and breaks his nose, I guess.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Their son is struggling.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, and and and in a real way. I mean,
I think kids going through divorce can have a really
hard time, especially when they're older, and they and they
you know, and I don't think this is a family
that's very good at expressing and communicating their feelings obviously,
so I'm sure that only makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But I mean, it's it is. I guess classic how
one parent has this. You know, it's not that big
of a deal. We can just pay for it and
you know, apologize and me and the and and the
other one.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
It has a completely other reaction.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I also thought it was interesting from a character development
standpoint that once again you have Rex doing revealing something
about their personal life in a public way. So him
revealing to bree that he went to a divorce attorney
and he will be serving her papers that day that day,
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that happens in front of the principle, It doesn't he
And I wonder why can't he do this in a
private way, the way that bree clearly has demanded and
asked for and expresses a preference for, and he always
does it in a public way. And I think it's,
like I wondered to myself watching it, is Rex so
scared of what Breez's real reaction would be behind closed
(28:38):
doors that he.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Has to do it just so mad. Yeah, and he
wants to humiliate her. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Then we get that great cut back to the principal,
and I think detention will be okay, you.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Going on, but yeah, but but but yeah, there's a
lot to go with the dynamics between bri and Rex
nownavigating the potential dissolution of their marriage and how it
relates to their children in this episode.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And I really felt like in that scene in particular,
I think both Brie and Rex are using their son
as a vehicle to talk about Rex more than they
are to actually talk about their son. You know, Brie
is saying someone needs to hold him accountable, someone needs
to stand up.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
For his behavior.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It feels like all of her anger at her husband
is being directed onto their sons acting out, and Rex
is kind of classically going, I don't think it's that
big of a deal. I think maybe he was justified
in it. And it feels like he could even be
talking about himself a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, and then we get back to you brought it
up a little bit. Susan and Julie getting ready for
the date and the whole looks so pretty in that scene.
D that dress is hideous. I actually have my note
is wtf? Exclamation point exclamation Can we talk about that dress? Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:57):
On mine in all caps?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Terry looks amazing in that date dress? What do you
remember about where were there multiple choices or was that
was that?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Or do you remember?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I I don't exactly remember I feel like there probably
were some choices, but I I don't think I felt
confident in that. Really, No, I don't think so. And
then like, look, is that because it was tight? Yeah,
I think so. I think I think so. And I'm
not sure I was wearing a bra and I think
that makes me.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Up to I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, well, what it's worth. I got I read.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
And your hair looked amazing. Yeah, and I just loved
the framing of you in the foreground.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Kind of a nineties vibe, which was, you know, it
was obviously two thousand and four, but I felt like
it gave great nineties vibes.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Okay, So my.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Favorite thing about the thing, yes, is I think we
just have to say that this is the point in
the story where it becomes very clear that Edie and
Susan are going to be the best Foils ever.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it is like frickin' frack.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
In fact, they should just do the Edie and Susan
show because it is really I I don't want to
say I didn't remember Nicolette being so good, because I
knew she was good, but like it's sort of the
way we're I keep talking about Marsha like and I
wasn't there for a lot of breeze scenes, but I
(31:20):
mean Nicolette's delivery of some of this stuff is just
it's just flawless, comedic timing. It's so much fun.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Yes, since we covered Emerson's favorite line, which happened to
also be my favorite line, I'll take this as a
very strong backup option because I did think it was fantastic,
which is when Edie says, get a load of you.
You look so pretty. I hardly recognized you. And Nicolette's
delivery was perfect and what a line, what a backhanded compliment.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And then the physical comedy of how confidently Susan trots
across the street in her sexy.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Little dress and then.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Mike has his unexpected to visit her when she walks
back across the street with the purse in front of
her face, like she doesn't want Edie to say anything
about it. Yeah, it's just this that really killed.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
But aren't they just great together?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh they're still great. I want the use.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Of f yi between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I also felt like that was very y two K
texting abbreviation.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Just f yi.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yes, yeah, I have to say too, just on a
slightly more hefty note. I have this recollection about Susan
and the court of public opinion about Susan kind of
being the most desperate one or the most at least
in the category of love, you know, and maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That I've heard the annoying okay, okay, or maybe annoying
the most.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
And only may.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Yeah, and that might be true as we continue on
and we learn more and more about Susan and whatever.
But I have to say, I just want to applaud Susan.
I just want to give some kudos to Susan in
these early episodes, because she is being really transparent with Mike.
You know. She is like when she when when she
sees that there's this mysterious hot girl there, hot woman, my.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
God, bending into the convertible and hers.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
And her jeans, and she's just there and beautiful.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And she could try to be cool in front of Mike,
and she could try to act like, oh, I don't care,
that doesn't throw me. I'm I'm confident, quote unquote, you know,
I'm unflappable, and instead she chooses to say, no, actually,
I am a little confused as to what is going
on here.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, now you're canceling our date. We finally have a.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Date, and and she chooses to confront him, and I thought, hey,
way to go. That is really cool. And so I
felt like that was a great moment for Susan. She
was being brave and for flammable, she's not unable.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I mean I am.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I am rooting for them to come together because I
love you see how much he wants it too. I
mean Susan doesn't see it, but we see as the viewer.
You know, even the cut back and forth to I
loved seeing their various Mic and Susan support systems for
getting ready for the date. You've Susan with Julie obviously
getting ready. Julie is giving her her time about protection
(34:12):
and how she doesn't want to she wants to remain
an only child.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But then you cut to Mike.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
With the dog with the dog and he's asking how
he looks, and he's trying on his blazer, and I could.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Just cry, I could Mike secutity. Mike's acute with a secret,
but acuting I.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Know with a secret that that deepens continually this episode
as other secrets. Yes, well, I was going to say
Gabby's secret. Mm hm, Wanita is finally onto we have Okay,
I need a moment for the red flip phone flip
phone that she the rose on the bed that then
(34:48):
Wanita picks up and here's John. What does he say,
if you're going to talk dirty to me, don't.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Even try to talk dirty to you know, to make
it up to me or something.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Exactly the worst thing you could say to someone who
was very incriminal.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I did have a pang over the flip phones I
and I know I think only the BlackBerry. Yeah, I
think these things are kind of coming back. I've heard
that there might be flip phones back in coming back nowadays.
I think there's something very satisfying about hanging up a phone,
and we can't do that today's phone.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Hanging up on someone.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You know, when you flip the phone closed, it does
feel like there's a finality to the conversation you were
having in versus just a little like boop with your fingers.
So I appreciated the flip phone moment as well, Emerson,
I really liked that part.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
So yeah, I also really appreciated the scene between Edie
and Paul.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Oh well, talk about mysteries deepening.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, And and I loved the choice that Nicolette made
to be putting on lipstick and sort of like to
make a casual thing out of talking about someone killing
themselves in the house. Yeah, to play that juxtaposition of like,
I'm not really paying attention to this, It's more important
(36:06):
for me to get my lipstick exactly right. But yes,
you can't have a dead person in the house and
still sell it for a good price, you.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Know, like that. Yeah, she did such a good job. Yeah,
she really did. She really did.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
And how convenient that we have a realtor right on
the block. I thought that, I know, you know, she's
right there. You can just say, hey, can you sell
the house?
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But even more convenient, he gets the paper exactly she
leaves behind her her binder, which has that I love
that the private investigator has tracked the paper distributor of
the lavender paper that the note has come on. And
then we find that blank, blank slip of paper, which
it was interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Because in Edie's notebook blank. Yeah, And I was like,
was she gonna write another note?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Did she write the note stationary?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
You could keep your stationary. I think it's her stationary,
she gets.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Her number and all a lot.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Yes, I think she has it everywhere with her just
a little slip so that she can pass around those digits.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But it's a cool way that the storyline is that
mystery part is starting to reveal itself. Yeah, and also
the mysterious girl. And this is back to my stopping
the thing at twenty minutes going oh my god, like
Gabby's mother in law knows she's she's having an affair,
Like there's all this mystery that's happening. Lynette's life is
(37:28):
blowing up.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
So is Breeze. It was a lot, Yeah, it was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It was a jam packed episode. And then we get
Rex bribing his children. Yeah, with a car. I mean
that's the biggest bribe. I feel like you can give
a child who is of driving barely of driving age.
And then also with the modeling agency works University for
(37:54):
what is it called, it's like New York.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Model New York.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, it's name for Danielle, which obviously Gabby has kind
of teed up because she wants to get rid of
the boyfriend's teenage girls.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Talk about competition.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
They're not backing off of this teenage affair thing.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I mean, I mean, I I did actually write down
here you go, I said, whoa, wow, Gabby is so
predatory in this scene with John. Honestly, it's giving what
we would now call the term grooming, even though they
didn't have the term for that.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Then oh wow, yeah, yeah, all the way, it is
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I think I agree that I did kind of find
myself asking.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Why you know, so manipulated and you're an adult. I mean,
Gabby's character, isn't it just But.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Here's something I had written down, which is that Gabrielle
which says to John on the phone, Oh, that sounds
like you're it sounds like you have a date. Well,
I have a problem with you seeing other girls, And
I wrote down I think it's very interesting she uses
the term girls as though she's including herself, you know,
and like why I mean, she of course can't use
(39:11):
the word women because Danielle is not, you know, a woman,
She is, in fact a girl.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
But I thought that is weird. What is going on
with Gabrielle?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah, I mean it's the sex that good?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Or like, I mean, okay, do you have like Ben
having been a teenager, I can't imagine it is right,
I can't imagine it is.
Speaker 6 (39:36):
That not a good excuse won't hold up in court,
you know, not a good enough excuse even if it
is that good.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah, I just I wonder what. I wonder what she
felt about this storyline, you know, And again I can.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Only because she's she's doing such good job.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And that kind of goes back to I think it's
an actor's responsibilit to fill up, fill up the homework,
you know, fill up the why is a character behaving
the way they're behaving, even if the audience never hears that.
You have to do something for yourself. So it would
be interesting to hear what she created or if she
like kind of bumped up against this, or maybe she
(40:18):
didn't like maybe it's just funny, right and clever, and
maybe you just don't think about it.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yeah, but at this point, I'll say, in the storyline,
I feel as though, in terms of redeeming themselves, I
would think Gabrielle and Carlos have the most work to
do as.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
A unit to redeem their characters.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
Definitely, and they're.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Both wonderful and doing a great job. There is so
much more of this episode to talk about. I mean,
Lynette strung out in the park breeze, heartbroken before our eyes,
as her children take Rex's side in their breakup, and
the iconic.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Full riding scene with Susan and Edie. So stay tuned.
Part two of this episode will drop later this week.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I can't wait.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
Until then, we remain despertly devoted to you.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
M hmm,
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