October 14, 2025 • 54 mins
Exposing the family facade!
This episode sparks a reflection of non-confrontational couples and why quiet homes aren’t necessarily happy homes.
Plus, hear about the scene that left Teri with a broken rib, the network mayhem and hate mail over “too much nipple,” and a relatable relationship faux-pas!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,
hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,
and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, Hi did you see what I did with
my voice there?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I sort of went, Hi, God, you did it very
sky Yeah, you because we are talking about episode five,
Come in Stranger, which originally aired on October thirty first,
two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And you know, my daughter knows. I think you know too.
But Halloween has always been a really big deal in
our house, and Halloween doesn't really have anything to do
with this episode other than the fact that it aired
on Halloween. Wait, I will say that I got very
excited about it.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I was going to say, I actually loved this episode,
and I think it's very appropriate that it aired on
Halloween because to me, this feels like this is where
the mystery and the crime plot really picks up in
a pervasive way in the neighbor hood on Westeria Lane.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh that's very true.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Yeah, very true, and something scary.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it is true. We have a break in happening
at the beginning, and that leads to Susan exploring and
confused about her feelings between her and Mike. And we've
got Gabby whose mother in law's scarily unannounced at the
at the house, and Brie still struggling in her marriage
(01:27):
with Rex, and Brie also becomes heightenedly worried about Zach
and Janette, of course, is uh scared of her kids
and she should be. So did you guys have a
favorite or you know, some sort of moment that stuck
out to you that you're excited to dig into more?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I really did, I mean I had, I had a
couple of different moments, but one and we're going to
get to it because it happens a little bit later
in the episode is when Susan ends up walking the street.
And my favorite moment is very small and it's a
definitely a behind the scenes, be in the know if
you're in the know. But when Susan takes out her
(02:10):
phone to call Julie, it is a bedazzled flip phone,
Samson flip phone, and it is the same phone I
had as my first phone. I mean, obviously you weren't
using my phone as a prop in that right, but
it was exactly the same model. Mine was also bedazzled
and I think I screamed out loud when I thought, oh,
got my phone.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Oh, oh my god, Oh the nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, that was my favorite moment and some of the
lines that in that and this is really their choice
to me.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah, I would say my favorite moment from the episode
happens during the It's really just the dinner scene with
with bree and Zach. I found that scene to be
really powerful. I think we discussed in leading up to
this episode we wanted to know more of breeze backstory.
We wanted to know more about where she came from,
and the insight into what she shares about the experience
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she had with her mom's tragic passing when she was
young really informs a lot about who she is today.
And I thought that was really powerful and beautifully played
by both Marcia and and Cody.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, well sort of similarly. I think mine was also
a free line. I don't know if it wasn't in
that dinner scene, but I was really struck by her
line that she says, just because you didn't hear them
fighting doesn't mean they were happy and in a sad,
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deep way, which this show can do this to you,
you know. I unfortunately, feel like that is pervasive still
in our culture today, and you look at social media,
the sort of the difference between the presentation of the
life and then the actual life. And so I feel
like that episode really gets This episode really gets into
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that with all of these characters. So let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, do it?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So? I wanted to talk about how it opens with
Julie and and Susan having to take care of a cat.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I said, Mom, this episode is for you. We are
opening on missus Frome the cat Lady.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yeah, I wrote down also cat Lady vibes. Let's talk
about it with Terry.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I don't feel complimented, That's all I'm saying right now.
I feel like I'm getting thrown under the cat Lady.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
When you when you go out of town, you are
very worried about your cat and who is going to.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Work very hard to leave them.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You leave a long list of ways to feed them.
They each have different ways to be fed. I have
executed some of these tasks and luckily there's never been
a break in and the door has never been left.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Ajar, Can I just say there is a shot where
the cat like goes and crawls into her suitcase as
she's packing. It's just a very mind but it's a thing.
And you guys out there, you have to let me know.
Like when I pack, my cat always gets in my suitcase.
In fact, I think I printed out a picture I
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was going to show you. I have the cutest picture
of fig in a suitcase. But it's inevitable that the
cat will get in your suit suitcase too, So you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's a real thing.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Does it smell like you?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Like?
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Why do they have no idea?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But in this scene, the cat goes through the suitcase
of missus Froner who's leaving, which I was like, that's
so honest. It's a tiny, tiny detail. But like I
liked it and appreciated it. And what else was I
thinking about? Oh? The other thing was that surprised me
is I didn't remember shooting this at all?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
No, me, neither, I mean neither, I really.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I think that's one of the fun things about rewatching
it is just seeing how much was dumped from my mind.
I we're there, we're filming, I'm like, wow, I truly
have no recollection of us doing that, of any of
this storyline of there being a cat.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Involved at all.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
I want to make like a cat burglar in here
somewhere right, it's hovering right around us.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I would have thought that the cat, like working with
a cat would have stuck in my brain because I
love animals so much and I'm obsessed with animals and
cats specifically, And I did not remember filming the sun.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Maybe it's because I know.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Maybe it's because Susan does such a bad job taking
care of the cat, which honestly, I think is a
little bit unfair, because then we go into this montage
talking about Susan's misfortunes and all of the things that
kind of go wrong when she tries to help or
when she tries to be involved in a certain scenario.
And in terms of the cat, I thought, you know what,
someone breaking into the house is really out of Susan's control.
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I feel like that really has nothing to do with her.
But I was curious in terms of remembering moments, I
wrote down.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I love when you write things down.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
I'm so good at it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On my phone, I tag it down, I said, I
remember this falling on the table stunt, and then I said,
care to share.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Mom Oh, yes, that was the first rib I broke.
Definitely broke a rib on that one. You were saying
that you remember, I remember, And this is not because
again we've talked about people confusing Terry and Susan, and
Susan can't cook and Terry can cook, and Susan's a
fairly inept mother and Terry is not. And Susan's a
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klutz and Terry is not. And the reason Terry is
not is because that takes to be able to turn
your body lean on the table, have it fall in
a certain way, have your face end up in a cake,
and do that over and over.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
All the glasses fallen.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, all of that so choreographed, and it's so effort full,
even though it looks like it just happened. And on
one take it was, you know, because we probably did
it five or six times. I mean, I don't know
how many cakes we had. But on one take I
just pushed too hard. That table was made of hard plywood,
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and somehow I landed on my side and cracked one
of my ribs. Yeah, so I was unlucky. Like that
was a moment.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Did you know right away that something might have been cracked?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think I knew right away that I was in
that I was in pain.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But I all met at home.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But I also appreciated the bird scene the little and
I was trying to remember that must have been CGI
had in right, There's no way anybody had a bird
on a fishing line that they were just like off camera.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, I think it must have been a post.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I thought, I mean not to toot my own horn,
But I was like, it is kind of funny to
look back on this and a think, wow, I look
like a baby. I can't believe I didn't realize at
the time I was so young, but also be like that.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Was really good.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That whole montage of all of those little comedic moments.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It really makes me think of mom.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
This is one of our favorite movies of Defending Your
Life Albert Brooks, and there is this incredible montage when
Albert Brooks's character is watching back moments in his life
and the woman who I mean, I forgive me. If
you've never seen Defending Your Life, you need this podcast.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
And watch it right now.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But the woman who's trying him for his life says,
and now I'm going to show you a compilation of moments,
some of them plagued by fear, some of them just stupid.
It's a compilation of all these physical stunts that Albert
Brooks execute so well. And I really thought of you, well,
(09:34):
I mean that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
To even be remotely a tenth compared to a genius
like that. But I mean, those are the people that I,
you know, studied like those movements and those comedic beats,
you know, going back to Lucille Ball. But you know,
somebody like Albert Brooks, I mean, or or Terry garr
(09:55):
In Tutsie. I mean, I mean that is where I
a sponge from those things. And anyway, great.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Show.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So we moved through Susan having bad luck and the
whole thing with the cat, and then we get to
a group scene, and I just wanted to talk about
how these were very arduous scenes to shoot because there
were so many people in them, and that means you
have to shoot from so many different angles and you're
just doing the same thing over and over and over
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for hours and hours and hours to try to get
coverage of everyone, which is fairly exhaustive. But that said,
there was such power in having the whole cast in
the same room and and then the cleanup afterwards, and
and and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, because we talk about how it's it's when we
watch the show, you know, it's really fun for you
and I having been on the show to watch it
because there was so much we didn't see. We would
read the scripts, but we didn't see these, you know,
other storylines, And so when you get a group scene,
it's really nice, I think as a viewer to see
all of these people in one room to watch even
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in the background, like I'm noticing that I'm paying attention
to who is talking to who in the background. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh, that was another thing I loved about the scene
that all those extras that are crossing the street and
walking in like that was Patty. Patty was my stand
in for the entire run of the show, and Rosie,
Patty and Rosie go walking across the street, and it
just I mean, I know, I'm gonna cry like it.
(11:35):
You well, you know, I was a crew girl, you know, like,
I don't know what that is about me. I've never been.
I that was that was the the connection for me,
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was all those families and their crew people, and you know,
we would go camping together.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Like yeah, I mean for years and and D and D.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
D A and uh it and and they would come
to my house for parties and and I threw bridle
showers and things were Patty and baby showers for people.
And I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Your community, it was people, it was your family, and
for so.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Much stand in it's a hard job. And I know
I think I'm tiary because I know Patty had a
lot of respect for me, and I have a lot
of respect for her back. And it was just a
moment in time. You know, eight years of a relationship.
We haven't kept in touch really, but I don't know
her work, her her sort of diligence to kind of
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really clock what I would do in a rehearsal so
that she could repeat it enough that it would get
lit in the right way, which is really what a
stand in's job is is is you know, if they're
not paying attention and they decide to like sit on
the stool and then you come back and you're like,
I wasn't sitting, then it's not lit right. And so
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it's an important job in terms of how they represent you.
And she really cared and.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Well that's so moving.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, anyway, gosh, I didn't think I was going to
talk about that, I.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Know, but it's nice and it was. It was noticeable
to see them on screen like that. Yeah, you know,
we didn't get to see them on screen, you know,
so it felt really it popped off for me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, totally noticing the people that were the extras that
were there on sort of a loop of a basis
in the neighborhood. Yeah, it's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I love the community scenes too, because for me, it
feels like each time we get to see the whole
community together, all the women, yes, but all of the
other characters on the block, it just strengthens this idea
that there is really a fifth sixth character, which is
with Sterry Lane. And I felt like I got such
a larger understanding of what of community with Steria Lane is.
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You know that a police officer is actually coming to
stand in someone's room to do a kind of town
hall about vigilance, about how to lock your doors and
how to make sure that you're safe. It really grounds
it in a even I know they never say, you know,
with Steria Lane is set in a fictional place, but
in a very specific atmosphere of an idea of an
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American town that I found.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It makes you feel like I want to live in
a town where the police come and give like a
lecture to the neighborhood. I would like.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
The equivalent of that with me.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Downtown is like a citizen and Reddit subgroups talking about
why fireworks are going off at two am every single night.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Not building chairs and croissants in someone's living room.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
App So in that cleanup scene with all the women
and this, I know we will we'll get to at
the at the end, you know, kind of our claim
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maming of what our most desperate moment was. But I
found it to be very interesting and somehow feel familiar
to me, although I couldn't remember anything specific that had
happened to me. But have you ever been asked to
lie for somebody? Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Gosh, yes?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And so what happens is Lynette asks Bree to lie
to the private school about her kids being wonderful students
so that they have a better chance of getting in.
And Bree is sort of like, well, your kids aren't wonderful,
so you want me to lie and let It's like, well, duh,
you know, yeah, And it was It's an interesting has
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that happened to you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
This is such a tough moral spot. And I had
the same instinct because I noted that moment too, and
I thought, gosh, okay, have I been in a scenario
like this, because my impulse is to say, yeah, of course,
I feel like I feel like I have, you know,
not around Obviously, I couldn't get anyone's kid into any school.
I'm sorry, but you know, actually, just recently, okay, I do,
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I do.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I have a moment of this.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So in my communal building where I live, loft building,
there's an outdoor parking structure and we share it with
another building that is not a residential building.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
It's like an office building. And they were opening.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
New offices and they pulled and I happened to see
it because my girlfriend and I were walking out in
our outdoor parking lot to go to a coffee shop
in the morning, and they pulled this like eighteen wheeler
truck into the outdoor parking area, which is very narrow.
It was blocking all the cars, so nobody who lived
there could get in, and it had we hadn't seen this.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
This is the moral gray are, okay, but it was clearly.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like not supposed to be in a parking structure of
that size, And as we were coming back from coffee,
the truck had moved, but we noticed that the gate
to the outside was clearly broken. I mean it was
still opening and closing, but it was making this horrible
screeching sound, and it had all of these like slash
marks along it. And this man who runs the hoa
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for the building was out there and he kind of
was looking and very hairy looking at the gate and
seemed very distressed. And he sort of said to us
as we walked by, did you did you see what happened?
Did you see this big truck? And we said, oh,
is that? I mean, yeah, obviously we see the gates damage.
And we did see there was a truck here this
morning when we were leaving, and it seemed like, you know,
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they couldn't fit. And he said, well, will you go
on the record saying you saw them hit the gate?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Oh, when you didn't see them?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
We didn't see them hit the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And we said we were like, oh, you know, we
didn't actually see.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Them hit the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You know, I can deduce, like any of us can deduce,
that that is what happened. And I'm happy to say
that I saw there was a truck here, but I
really can't say I saw it hit the gate for
you because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, so it does come up. Yeah, yeah it felt familiars.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I'm sure it has in small ways.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You know, if someone and I'm going to use an example,
that feels weird, but you know, because like if you
have to be a reference for someone for something, that's
why it feels weird. Some'm like, when has someone asked
me to be a reference? But I have a recollection
of someone being like, hey, could you write me a
letter of recommendation or something? And you know, maybe I've
felt like, because I have love for this person, I
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would inflate it a little bit or something like that.
But I found this to be an interesting moment too.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Well.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
One, it was very funny, right when she says, so
you want me to lie? And she said yeah, I
thought that was implied. Yeah, that was very funny. But
I also thought maybe bree could actually really relate. This
is speaking Breeze language right, as someone who strives so
hard to present a certain image. And yes, her kids
might be better behaved in general, but she does have
other examples of when something's not entirely on the up
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and up, and she portrays it that way anyway. So
I thought maybe as Lynette's friend, she could have a
softer approach to understanding why Lynette was asking.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Her to You mean she could have or you think
she did.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
No, I think she could have. I kind of. I mean,
I understand because she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, because she ends with you know, but of course
you don't care about my like the fact that I
would want to get my grandchildren in.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And like yeah, yeah, and she's like no, not really.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I thought the reason that Brie was so resistant was
exactly because of what you said, Because I think Bree
seems like a character who is actually just barely holding
everything together behind this facade of perfectionism, that the last
thing she needs to take on is someone else's lie
about someone else's life, because she is kind of struggling
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with all of the potential lies or half truth she's
woven around herself.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The end of this scene, they is the line that
I brought up at the beginning, which is that you just, uh,
just because you didn't hear fighting doesn't mean that they
were happy. And I do think that that is maybe
who says that?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Who that?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Because they hear. They hear Paul and Zach fighting again.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
They're establishing that they must have been, you know, they've
been fighting a lot recently. And they're standing on the
front porch looking out at their house and they can hear,
you know, this loud argument happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And I think it's just one of again those moments
of nostalgia that people can relate to of that it
is very pervasive, totally, this feeling, you know, you go,
even though this is a crazy neighborhood with crazy stuff
happening in it, there is this grounded sense of yeah,
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I've felt that before.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, And they're there.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
They're all gathered to have this neighborhood watch meeting because,
as we discussed in the top of the episode, there's
a b in and that sort of sets everything off,
and there's an item left behind, which sort of screwdriver
as a screwdriver on the kitchen counter of We get
to meet a new character. We meet Ida Greenberg in
this episode, and that's really fun. We meet a couple
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of people who end up being on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I do feel like Mark or the casting or the
casting department, or the two of them together, they really
did go out of their way to try to cast
people that maybe wouldn't be cast in other things. Do
you know what I mean the way I've said that,
I kind of joke that ABC wouldn't have cast four
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women over forty if they had known how old we were.
I also think, you know, the looking at trying to
put an old person in a role.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I mean, it feels very real, like they're creating an
honest sense of thing.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
They were creating those roles for those actors.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Oh, me too.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And I love that her complaint at the meeting was
that someone is trying to peep on her while she's
in the shower.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So so the screwdriver's left, Susan you know, realizes, oh,
maybe this could be helpful to the police.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So she bags it.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
As potential evidence, which is charming and maybe really ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, But honestly though, it made me think, I know,
we always say Susan and so Mom, no, just that you,
the two of you are not similar. Although I did
feel like the overachiever in you, Mom that always wants
to go above and beyond and get an A plus
and follow things by.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
The letter and really do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It reminded me a little bit of Susan's intention behind
wanting to be like, I make make sure you didn't
miss this piece of evidence, right this. I want to
help you solve this. And well, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That you think it comes from that place, because I
think some people think it may be her. That character
trait came from her just wanting to get involved in everything.
And I did like a like almost like a nosy
like I'm gonna be a part of everything.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
We already have missus Hooper.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
She fills up that nosy neighbor cup just fine on
her own.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So we then have Gabby's mother in law.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Oh out of nowhere, yes, brutal in law appearance.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Yes, And man, that is a that sets off a
whole dynamic there, I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And she she has a line that the mother in
law family should always hug, regardless of how they feel
about each other. And I mean that just almost I
don't know. That really made it hard for me to breathe.
It kind of reminded me of Susan actually says, which is,
here's another way Susan and Terry are not alike at all.
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Susan says in the end, of might have been the
last episode or third, she says to missus Huber, Yes,
was the mincemeat episode. After we get the frisbee back,
I mean, after we get the we do the frizzy measure,
we get the measuring cup back. She says something I'm paraphrasing,
but it's like every time I say hello, every time
I say I hope you have a good day, I'm
really thinking I hate your guts and I cannot live
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like that as a person, Like it's way too much
to hold on to. Yeah, it's way too much to
hold on to. And so it's sort of like snagged
me a little bit on Susan's personality that I was like, Okay,
is Susan really that kind of person? I mean, I
guess I guess she is, because that's that's the character
we're creating. But it's it's so now we're doubling down
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on you should always hug, no matter how you feel well.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And she is just Wanita Carlos's mom is such a
tough character to empathize with, because I loved how that
plot reveals itself that it seems like, okay, she showed
up unannounced, and then you get the reveal that Carlos
has actually called her because he is suspicious and he
kind of wants like eyes on the inside.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
And then and this, I know we've talked a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
About Carlos's behavior seeming really problematic, and I felt like
we started to get a little peek into maybe his
backstory when he starts breaking down and crying and he's
really vulnerable with his mom saying that he's afraid that
Gabby's having an affair, and she hits him.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Yeah, smacks him across the face, across the face, and
she says, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We don't cry about our problems. We find ways to
fix them.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And there is the seed of toxic masculinity being bred
in Carlos.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Can I tell you that? Was I wrote, I think
this might be one of my highlight moments. Such a strong,
borderline abusive character revealing that he just doesn't know how
to make it right with the woman he loves. And
then he cries yeah, and you can you can see
the beginning of that toxic masculinity of where like he
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really wants to love. That's what I saw in that
scene that Carlos really wants to love, but he doesn't
have the first clue about how to correctly get there,
and now we know why.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And then yeah, and he has this mother figure who
instead of saying, oh my gosh, thank you for being vulnerable,
it's you know, offering him some sort of comfort. She
teaches him this very problematic behavior.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
That showing emotion is weakness, that it equates to somehow
being weak versus what it actually is, which of course
we know is its strength. It's completely a strength, and
it could have been a breakthrough moment with him and
his mom, and instead she's backs him across the face
and she tells him we don't cry.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And then she goes to do his bidding by.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Spying on Gabrielle through you know the rest of the
episode and trying to catch her inkes Gabrielle's life. Hell, yes,
makes Gabrielle and John the Gardener, Yes, our teenage friend.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Another amazing line from John the Gardener. I used a
month's worth of lunch money to pay for that motel room.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I know. Wait, I've got another one of John's just
so you know, I've turned down half the pep squad
for you.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Yeah, I know, I actually wrote down I think emer
since right because of what you'd said in a previous episode,
and I was like, I think the writers might have
just been having a really good time with these teenage
references at this point, because they are they are something.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
They're really miring him in in uh Minerville.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yeah yeah, they're tripling down on that.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I don't think there was an interesting moment in the
Gabrielle storyline that really felt powerful and relevant today to me,
which is when they're out shopping and her mother in
law is trailing her, as we know, and she's just
not letting her out of her sight and they're in
this Lauderie store and they're talking about you know, she
makes a comment about Gabrielle having children and giving her purpose,
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and Gabrielle says, and for the record, I'm not one
of those women who has a hole in her heart
that can only be filled.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
By a baby.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
And I just thought, you know, we don't really explore
that that much at this point in the storyline of
Carlos and Gabby not having children, but I do know
that that is still very relevant in conversations I have
all the time with my friends about you know.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Becoming parents.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
And and that journey and the feeling of you know,
what's expected of you or what gives you purpose or
if you can live a childless life and be fulfilled
and happy, which they've actually shown studies that very much
bolster that sentiment. And so I really kind of liked this.
We haven't had that many moments of Gabrielle with having
strong convictions about things that are on the right side
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of morality thus far.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, and I thought this was a nice moment for
her character.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. I think so too. And it gets a little
glossed over. So I'm glad because she says it with
a lot of you know, umph. Yeah, but we don't
really come back to it, and we don't linger there.
We don't linger there, And it's kind of worth again
pointing out in the writing. I mean to just keep,
you know, praising Mark Cherry and the writers for finding
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these little moments that resonate so strongly that you know
you can still talk about them as relevant twenty years later.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Absolutely, I'm curious, Andrea. I mean, and if it's personal,
we don't have to talk about it. But as about
to be mom to be soon, did you feel like
you knew you always wanted to have kids. Did you
feel like you had a timeline of when you thought
you needed to do that. I mean, I think about
Gabby's character is a bit younger than the other women.
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I obviously I'm watching the show for the first time.
I feel like I have a memory that at some point,
maybe Gabby does end up having a kid. I'm not
sure that I'm getting that right.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
We won't say anything saying don't give me anything.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But I'm just I'm curious how how that stuck with
you and what you think about that.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I have always said that I am.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I feel pretty grateful that I was on the side
of I always knew and that didn't change. Like I
knew when I was a kid I wanted to be
a mom, and I knew throughout getting older that I
wanted to be a mom, And then when it came
time in my life where that opportunity might be presenting itself,
I still knew, which isn't the case for a lot
of people, and they go back and forth or they
know the opposite, you know, and so, But the question
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of did I feel a timeline, Absolutely, and even though
that's because we're becoming better as a society about giving more,
you know, time to women and not putting this pressure
on them of you have to have a baby by
a certain age or that somehow you're unhealthy if you,
you know, are a late advanced maternal age mom, which
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technically I am. Wow, oh yeah, I know, you know,
but I do think it's still quite prevalent. It's it's
that's that pressure of the ticking clock is really strong,
and you know, some of that's biology, some of that
is is society and us not being that quick to
progressing our stance on women's healthcare or researching women in
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the medical.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Field much at all. So I definitely feel that.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I feel that sometimes. Thankfully I found a medical team
who doesn't really introduce those themes. As in my pregnancy
journey thus.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Far, it's really hard for me to refer to you
as advanced aging and anything. I mean, you are my
thirteen year old daughter and you always will be. So
if your advanced age, you know, give me a hearing
aid and a cane right now, I.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Know, I know, it's really I'm in trouble.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Yeah, it's really nutty. It's yeah, it's a silly thing.
And I will say just to kind of cap that off.
I don't understand it right because at thirty five, this
is the earliest in my life that I've felt prepared
to be able to take this on, right, I really,
you know, and I know that's a different journey for everybody,
but I do feel like I'm in a great time
of life, not an advanced maternal age time of life, right,
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in a really sweet spot to do this.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So, yeah, I was thirty two, almost thirty three when
you were born.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh so you were in advanced maternal age at all?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, but I no, but it felt but that felt
that felt very right. Even in hindsight, it feels like
that was right as opposed to twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty nine.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Oh my god, being it. Yeah, I mean I'm twenty eight, Yeah,
I absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I mean, I also, like you Andrew, have always known
that I want to have kids and that I want
to be a mom, and probably because I have such
an amazing mom and.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I just love child checks in the mail.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But I could not imagine at this moment in my life,
with my career, with the things I want to accomplish
as a writer and a director, and my social life
and where I live and I just I cannot imagine
having a child.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, I think this is a good time to bring
up nipples.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Oh, I'm wondering when it's going to come up.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So God, did anybody notice the nipples pop out in
the purple T.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Shirt of yours? And oh I noticed on the lawn.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
There was a there was a purple T shirt nipple moment,
and then there was a later gray T shirt nipple moment.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Wait, is that purple T shirt nipple moment when the
cop who's your guest star.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Even even echo.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yes when he comes and by the way, totally gaslights
you into letting him take you on a date. I
was like, this is exactly the problematic male behavior that
people call out.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
More to debt, I like to bring the term back
Carl and disguise.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I think that we should collectively just just calling those
men they're Carl's Carl, and.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
We really do. And that has such a good payoff
at the end, that this is when your nipples are out.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, And it made me, first of all, I was like, Wow,
there's there's the nipples like I and there they are,
and I kind of remember at the time sort of
being proud of them, like you know, like I like
my breasts and I like my nipples, and I felt
good about it, and I think, I recall this is
one of those where I wish I had evidence, some
(33:21):
like go research it, But I'm pretty sure this is accurate.
That the producers got calls from the network about myself
and Nicolette and we needed to put our nipples away.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
That was the language Nicolett and Terry need to put
the nile away.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I mean, I that's the way I'm saying it now.
And I did not want to put my nipples away.
I did not want to wear a thicker bra or
a different shirt, or walk around with a heating pad
under my shirt. Whatever the techniques would have been, I
don't know, but but you know, that's kind of my
(33:59):
recollect of like what's the big deal, but then having
stepped away from it for twenty years and then seeing
it and being like, Wow, my nipples.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Are really out there.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean, maybe if I'd worked at the network and
I was in like standards and practices, I would have
been like, we gotta get rid of terrors nipples. Like
maybe I would have agreed because they were they were
they were prominent.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Well listen, that is totally I feel like coming back now.
Everyone's nipples. Nipple is not even our back, not even
just the silhouette of a nipple. I mean, people are
wearing full on see through things with no bras. I
was just going shopping for clothes on the Paloma Wol website.
I love Paloma Wool, but I gotta say, I am like,
(34:42):
what world in which what world are we living in
in which I am supposed to buy a dress that
is entirely see through and wear it as worn by
your model on the website with no bra and a thong?
On where am I going in? It's an out anybody?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Could it would be you?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:00):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I mean, anyways, we could do a whole podcast on
how what happens to your nipples and pregnancy, but I'll
spare everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Okay, I yeah, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Well I call my own standards and practices when I
see myself in the mayor and.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm like, put those away.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah yeah, get ABC on the horn and tell them
to put andrew his nipples away.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Anyways, Susan did have a I thought a charming storyline
that went from the cop yes asking her out her
deciding to go her insecurity with Mike about you know,
how do you feel about me? And how soon is
this moving along? And should I be dating other people?
(35:51):
And how uncomfortable that is when you start to fall
for someone and it does feel early. I will say
that scene between Susan and Lynette where Lynette is refilling
the hole with dirt that she's made her sons dig
in order to get their energy out, that scene where
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they're talking about it, and Susan basically admits to, you know,
being this person who falls really hard, really fast. I
did think. Okay, I'm always saying how Terry is not Susan,
but I do think when I dated, because I don't
date anymore, but when I dated never too. It's no,
it's too late. When I dated when I was younger,
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I was definitely that person that was like signing the
married signature, like with your dad, Terry Tenny. How does
that sound, Terry Tenny? Like I was doing that, you know,
five minutes after meeting him, And that's kind of like
how I was.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I've been told that I fall hard or jump in. Well,
I jump into relationships with both feet pretty regularly. Although
I will say maybe to my credit. I think I
jump in with both feet, but I don't have trouble
extra hitting myself.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Second, it feels like it's not working.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Hey, So that's that's kind of that works out. I
think that works out. I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I thought that there was a lot of really beautiful
vulnerability in Susan, sort of you know, revealing to Mike
that she cares by way of asking him what's going
on here between us?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
And I really I wrote down the line that Susan says,
I'm mad that I like you so much without really
knowing anything about you, and I do. I think, yeah,
I love that line. I loved how you played it,
and I do think that's relatable for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
For dating.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
The early stages of dating requires so much mental gymnastics
figuring out what the other person is thinking about you.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
You know, do you like me? Is terrifying to ask me.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So my big advice for not being in a successful
relationship or dating but being six years old and looking back,
is spend more time asking yourself if you like the
other person. Then all the time women tend to think
about does the guy like me? Does the person like me?
And I think we put a lot of energy into that,
(38:10):
and instead you need to turn it around and say
why do I like this person? Do I like this person?
And why do I like this person? Because that'll help
you not end up in a relationship you don't want
to be in.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I do think those early stages of dating it is
so much projection. You know, we are projecting onto the
other person everything that we imagine they might be, and
also I think projecting in them who we might be
with them, you know, ideas and versions of ourselves that
we might want to be. And then I think the
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real test of a relationship as time goes on and
you start to pull those projections back and actually look
at who the person is because you have more time,
you have more information, and you also look at who
you are with them. Then I think that's the real test,
to go, Okay, do I really love this person because
it's who they are are and not who I've projected
(39:02):
hoping that they're gonna be.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah, And Susan actually has a right to be a
little bit, you know, investigating a little bit about wanting
to know more about who Mike is because he is
hiding something.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
He is hiding something. Yeah, And I love.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I love Susan's revelation that she is saying, you know, oh,
she wonders if Mike is a caral in disguise, but
then she ends up realizing that Stephen Ecklets's character the
cop is really the caral in disguise, and how defiantly
she gets out of the car and she closes the door.
(39:35):
And then I wanted to ask you, mom in that scene, Yeah,
where did you shoot that?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because it's the backlot. Yeah, that's what I thought. That
was the backlot. I'm probably like New York Street or something,
but that was the backlot.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
The universal backlot.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Yeah, yeah, that that scene of you standing on the
corner and different Johns so to speak, pulling up asking
basically like are you available and what's your rate and
all of that.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
She doesn't say I'm not a sex worker. She goes, oh,
I'm on a break.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yea, And that's not I don't I don't remember this
actress's name, but I do remember the feeling of It's
it's a moment where I just love those sort of
day player kind of parts because you know, you're getting
I you know, whatever it was, we're working together, and
there was a comedic timing between the you know, get
(40:22):
off my block, you can borrow my phone. I have
weekend minutes. The character says, remember weekend minutes was a thing.
Oh my gosh, and I just it's it's kind of
like the Ida Greenberg. These you know, our main characters
are such quote unquote stars, but these little characters are
(40:45):
really what glew the whole thing together.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I have to say because now it's come up. But
she delivered my favorite line of the episode, which was
which was, honey, if I got paid in quarters, I'd
be doing something very wrong.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I thought that was that's a good line.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
She delivered it perfect.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yes. And also just to kind of, i mean wrap
up the Susan storyline while we're in it, we get
Mike and Susan's first kiss.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Oh okay, I have to and I had the broken
rib and it was hard for me to turn that
way to kiss him because I had the broken rib.
I remember that sitting in the truck and being like,
oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be able to turn
this way.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So that's the behind the scenes of like, this is
not as sexy as it may look, because Terry's actually
thinking about how much pain she's in from a broken rib.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Oh, because I was gonna say the screenwriter in me,
I am such a sucker for an in the car
first kiss, you know. I feel like in so many
quintessential movies. I was just rewatching Easy A and they
actually those two characters don't have their first kiss in
a car, but they almost do. And I just think,
you know, the pulling up at the end of the day.
(41:49):
Obviously in this case, you know Mike has rescued you
off of your street corner, and that quiet stillness when
no one really wants to open the door yet know
that you have to go. You're right on the precipice
of something. I It's just it's such a romantic moment
to me, I love that moment.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
So also, I'm now thinking, as you're saying this, my
husband and my first kiss was in a car.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Yeah, that's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So the one story we haven't really talked about yet,
which is so dynamic and incredible is the Breeze Act story. Yes,
and uh, you know it starts with her being worried
about him, and she's also alone because Rex is now
living in the hotel, and so uh oh that was
That was a great exchange too, where he where he
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comes over and to pick up the kids, and and
he tells her so sort of arrogantly, and you know,
with such confidence, you know, well, this therapy might not
work out, so you better get used to living alone.
And she just turns right around. It's like, well, therapy
might not work out, you better get used to crappy cooking.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Good.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So there was another omen in that scene where he
says he misses the kids, and you can tell there's
just like a split second where it lingers before anyone
says anything else, and you can tell that she's waiting
for him to say and I miss you.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Too, yeah, and he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, And he mentions her guns again, which I thought.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That was another great line. There's so many great lines, and.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
I'm waiting episode I'm waiting for for Breeze NRA membership
to really come back, and.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
I don't Yeah, I don't remember exactly when it shows up,
but it does come.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
But I I have that line here, something about if you,
if you, if if you you're a member of the NRA,
you have four guns. If somebody breaks in, I expect
you to protect me. Something like that. He says to her, Yeah,
it's really good. But so she Brie has Zach come
over for plum pudding, which I almost made, you guys, yeah,
(43:52):
and then I thought, actually, I have my one of
my favorite chefs in the world, Paul Ainsworth. Everybody check
him out. He's in Cornwall and Padstow. He's also all
over British television in terms of all the competition kind
of stuff. A great guy, fabulous chef. I had my
sixtieth birthday party at his restaurant. Just the best food
anyways he has because it's quite British. He has a
(44:14):
plum pudding recipe that he's put out and they also
make plum pudding that you can buy online, which I
highly recommend because anything he does is delicious. So I
almost made you guys that, but instead, in the second
Brie and Zach scene, she invites him over for a
holiday meal that ends up never happening because she gets
(44:38):
involved with Rex and has to cancel. But you do
cut to her in the kitchen with a full on
roasted turkey and then there's candy jams in the back
and she mentions the candy jams and there's cranberry sauce,
and you know, whatever would go with a holiday meal.
And so that's what I did bring for you guys today.
(44:58):
So candy jams, which is yams that are topped with
candied pecans and then roasted marshmallows, is a staple at
my Thanksgiving dinner. I think it is everyone's favorite, even
if you are that person that goes I hate this dish,
which a lot of people do. It can be a
controversial dish. Sometimes I do that, but then you eat
(45:20):
it and you're like, Okay, I don't hate this dish.
This is amazing. I can't stop eating it. There's never
any leftovers. I think the secret in mind is the
zested ginger and the zested orange. Yeah, it's not too
sweet and it's not too sweet, and so I've brought
that for you guys. But let's talk about Brie and
Rex and Zach. While I sort of unfind.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I find this, I think it's interesting that you made
the candied jams as opposed to the plum pudding, because
the meal that doesn't get eaten really is I feel
like the crux of the relationship between Brie and Zach
and it is so heartbreaking to me person because we
see them connect over their first meal where Bree shares
(46:03):
an incredibly interesting Andrew, you already pointed this out, incredibly
interesting backstory into maybe her cleaning obsession, her need for
everything to be clean, and it's so specific and somewhat
similar to She's come across Zach cleaning the spot where
mary Alice's blood was.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
She asked him what happened to your varnish and he
reveals that that's where his mom, you know, called herself.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
And then she says that her mom got hit by
a car while they were caroling, and then she went
out to the street when everyone went to the hospital
and posed all the blood off of the street. And
I almost I had a moment where I thought, wait
a second, is she making up a story that is
so similar to Zach's story because she wants him to
(46:52):
feel like he can be vulnert. It almost had an
air of inauthenticity to me.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Well, that's an interesting that you brought that up, because
I had a little flag on. You know, I'm still
a bit obsessed. I'm going to go all the way
back to from I guess it was the pilot or
one of the first episodes where Rex refers to her
as what happened to the girl in college who used
to drink milk out of the cart? And I'm still
trying to figure that out. So I've gotten a little
(47:20):
bit obsessed and hung up on that. So when she
tells this story about using cleaning as a way to
erase her emotions from the time she was young when
her mother died, I was like, Okay, if that was happening,
then then where did the girl who drank milk out
of the cart? And come like, I'm still having a
little bit of trouble lining those two.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
I wonder I wonder if Rex brought that side out
of out of her, which is why he feels like
not an ownership of it, but so in love with
that because maybe he felt like he was the only
one who saw this version. And I mean, I'm really
just kind of hypothesizing, but maybe maybe that's it is
he felt like he was this the secret side of
Brie that only he got, and now he doesn't even
get it.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Maybe it's that y.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
I also, I thought it was interesting when she was
sharing this story about her past that it also informed
not just the cleaning side of things, but also maybe
the mothering side of things for her. She then clearly
grew up without one, right, so she's created maybe the
idea of what she always wanted in a mom, so
(48:25):
she didn't forget to have And it was just so
tragic watching, you know, watching Zach really go through the
grieving process without support from his dad is it's touching.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
And I think Cody's doing such a lovely.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Job with that storyline because you can see he's troubled.
They allude to the fact that he might have been
troubled before this happened, and now he's kind of without
a network or a support system to go through this
incredibly tragic thing, and now Bree's offering him a hand.
And it's going to be very interesting to see where
that goes, because I can't tell if he's sort of
(48:58):
using Brie as a surrogate mom now or if there's
like a romantic thing happening.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I don't get that there's romance.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
I was not picking up romance, but I was picking
up this deep sadness. And you're right, she extends this
hand and then because of the issues in her own
life and the fact that she wants to salvage her marriage,
she pulls it away, and we actually get a book
ended episode with a beginning of a break in and
an ending with a break in with this bizarre Christmas
(49:27):
decorating cry for help, I would say on Zach's part,
and this heartbreaking moment when when his pall comes in,
his dad comes in and he reaches for breeze hand.
And I didn't really view that romantically at all, but
I really did view it as this kind of surrogate
mother relationship that I think maybe she is unintentionally open
(49:48):
to can of worms she didn't really expect to.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, totally so we And by the way, I just
had a bite of this. I think this might be
the best thing I've thin I.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
Can actually smell the it's wasting off of it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's really really good. I think the secret to a
good candy Dam's dish is the combination of the sugar
and the salt. And there's actually even a little bit
of heat in there. There's a tiny bit of cayenne
in it. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of this.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
It's so good and it's so funny me Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Yeah, it's a thousand degrees outside, but I'm just going
to pretend that it's fall and it's coziness.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
And so this episode sort of wraps up with uh
Juanita sort of giving that kind of final threat to
Gabby of like, you know, I think you, I think
you know what I'm doing here, and I think you
know that I'm onto you, and I and and and
and then and Susan has gotten her kiss and where we.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Oh and Lynette Lynette, we kind of lost track of
the storyline with the original Yes, so Lynette tires her
kids out, she gets them the interview, which, by the way,
this actually I think was my favorite line from the episode,
when the principal of the school says, we're always looking
for more diversity in regards in regards to the identical twins,
(51:17):
So funny being the diversity box that the school wants
to check. And she tires them out, and then it
sounds like they've gotten into the school, but they can't
afford to pay for it, and Tom throws out, well,
why don't you home school them because they can't go
to public school anymore, and you know, she sort of
(51:40):
throws that back in his face, and then we get
the resolve of her deciding that they need to sell
his sailboat so they can send the kids to the fancy.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She very artfully leads him to believing that that was his.
Speaker 7 (51:51):
Decision, stands next to the mantle and goes.
Speaker 6 (51:54):
She uses his argument for compromise and sacrifice to get
him to recognize what he could be offering up to sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (52:03):
She must have been so good in the corporate world.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
Oh yes, yes, and uh and but it doesn't lead
me to one other thing mystery that continues, which is
where is the baby?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Where is their baby?
Speaker 6 (52:15):
And also where is their third son in this episode,
because there are three little boys, and you know, you
see the twins trying to get in school and all
this stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
He's still in their public school because he didn't paint
anybody blue.
Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah, maybe he was in a different grade.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
Yes, he's allowed to stay in his schooling. Yeah that's true.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
So I love this episode, and I feel like some
of the episodes you feel like, I feel like one
of the last one we did, maybe I didn't feel
like I had it as much to say, I feel
like this one. There were some of my just favorite lines,
and I really was taken in by what each character
was sort of dealing with. I really loved this episode.
I felt like the most desperate moment to me, I
(52:56):
guess was Lynette asking Bree to lie for her. Feel
like that's your She didn't do it in a desperate way.
She did it almost playfully, like of course you're going
to do this for me. But to me, that actual
ask of asking a friend to lie for me, that
would be in real life that would feel like, Wow,
I've hit the bottom.
Speaker 6 (53:16):
It was coming from like I don't know what else
to do. I'm desperate for this. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (53:21):
What was yours, Andrea? What did you think your most
desperate moment was.
Speaker 6 (53:23):
I think my most desperate moment in the episode was
Gabrielle framing her mother in law for shoplifting so that
she could hook up with a teenager.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well that's desperate and funny.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
Yeah, that's hard to argue with.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
I was gonna say, I think my most desperate moment
was Susan calling her thirteen year old daughter from a
street corner using a sex worker's phone that she bribed
her for so the man who won't actually go out
with her could come and pick her up off the street.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Well, now that you say it that way, exactly.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
I think you win.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, that is the most desperate moment.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
I'm so so excited also as we're exploring more and
more episodes to hear from you, to hear from our listeners.
I know we want you to write in with questions,
with observations. It would be amazing to hear if you've
had a very desperate moment in your week that you
want to.
Speaker 7 (54:15):
Share with us.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Absolutely, and you can do that because our instagram is
live at Desperately Devoted Podcast.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Come find us there, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (54:26):
Drop us a D m oh Man.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, thanks everybody for joining us again. We wish you
were here. There's a lot more candid dams.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
You're gonna have to put up a recipe.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I will definitely. I will always be putting up the recipes.
I love the way food is a part of our
lives and food is a part of with Sarria Lane.
And we will see you for the next one because
we are desperately devoted to you
Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch,
hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen,
and my real life daughter Emerson Tenney.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hi, guys, Hi did you see what I did with
my voice there?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I sort of went, Hi, God, you did it very
sky Yeah, you because we are talking about episode five,
Come in Stranger, which originally aired on October thirty first,
two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And you know, my daughter knows. I think you know too.
But Halloween has always been a really big deal in
our house, and Halloween doesn't really have anything to do
with this episode other than the fact that it aired
on Halloween. Wait, I will say that I got very
excited about it.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I was going to say, I actually loved this episode,
and I think it's very appropriate that it aired on
Halloween because to me, this feels like this is where
the mystery and the crime plot really picks up in
a pervasive way in the neighbor hood on Westeria Lane.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh that's very true.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Yeah, very true, and something scary.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, it is true. We have a break in happening
at the beginning, and that leads to Susan exploring and
confused about her feelings between her and Mike. And we've
got Gabby whose mother in law's scarily unannounced at the
at the house, and Brie still struggling in her marriage
(01:27):
with Rex, and Brie also becomes heightenedly worried about Zach
and Janette, of course, is uh scared of her kids
and she should be. So did you guys have a
favorite or you know, some sort of moment that stuck
out to you that you're excited to dig into more?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I really did, I mean I had, I had a
couple of different moments, but one and we're going to
get to it because it happens a little bit later
in the episode is when Susan ends up walking the street.
And my favorite moment is very small and it's a
definitely a behind the scenes, be in the know if
you're in the know. But when Susan takes out her
(02:10):
phone to call Julie, it is a bedazzled flip phone,
Samson flip phone, and it is the same phone I
had as my first phone. I mean, obviously you weren't
using my phone as a prop in that right, but
it was exactly the same model. Mine was also bedazzled
and I think I screamed out loud when I thought, oh,
got my phone.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Oh, oh my god, Oh the nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, that was my favorite moment and some of the
lines that in that and this is really their choice
to me.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah, I would say my favorite moment from the episode
happens during the It's really just the dinner scene with
with bree and Zach. I found that scene to be
really powerful. I think we discussed in leading up to
this episode we wanted to know more of breeze backstory.
We wanted to know more about where she came from,
and the insight into what she shares about the experience
(03:00):
she had with her mom's tragic passing when she was
young really informs a lot about who she is today.
And I thought that was really powerful and beautifully played
by both Marcia and and Cody.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, well sort of similarly. I think mine was also
a free line. I don't know if it wasn't in
that dinner scene, but I was really struck by her
line that she says, just because you didn't hear them
fighting doesn't mean they were happy and in a sad,
(03:34):
deep way, which this show can do this to you,
you know. I unfortunately, feel like that is pervasive still
in our culture today, and you look at social media,
the sort of the difference between the presentation of the
life and then the actual life. And so I feel
like that episode really gets This episode really gets into
(03:59):
that with all of these characters. So let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, do it?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So? I wanted to talk about how it opens with
Julie and and Susan having to take care of a cat.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I said, Mom, this episode is for you. We are
opening on missus Frome the cat Lady.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Yeah, I wrote down also cat Lady vibes. Let's talk
about it with Terry.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I don't feel complimented, That's all I'm saying right now.
I feel like I'm getting thrown under the cat Lady.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
When you when you go out of town, you are
very worried about your cat and who is going to.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Work very hard to leave them.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
You leave a long list of ways to feed them.
They each have different ways to be fed. I have
executed some of these tasks and luckily there's never been
a break in and the door has never been left.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Ajar, Can I just say there is a shot where
the cat like goes and crawls into her suitcase as
she's packing. It's just a very mind but it's a thing.
And you guys out there, you have to let me know.
Like when I pack, my cat always gets in my suitcase.
In fact, I think I printed out a picture I
(05:09):
was going to show you. I have the cutest picture
of fig in a suitcase. But it's inevitable that the
cat will get in your suit suitcase too, So you
know what I'm saying, Yeah, it's a real thing.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Does it smell like you?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Like?
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Why do they have no idea?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But in this scene, the cat goes through the suitcase
of missus Froner who's leaving, which I was like, that's
so honest. It's a tiny, tiny detail. But like I
liked it and appreciated it. And what else was I
thinking about? Oh? The other thing was that surprised me
is I didn't remember shooting this at all?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
No, me, neither, I mean neither, I really.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
I think that's one of the fun things about rewatching
it is just seeing how much was dumped from my mind.
I we're there, we're filming, I'm like, wow, I truly
have no recollection of us doing that, of any of
this storyline of there being a cat.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Involved at all.
Speaker 8 (05:58):
I want to make like a cat burglar in here
somewhere right, it's hovering right around us.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
But it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I would have thought that the cat, like working with
a cat would have stuck in my brain because I
love animals so much and I'm obsessed with animals and
cats specifically, And I did not remember filming the sun.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
Maybe it's because I know.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Maybe it's because Susan does such a bad job taking
care of the cat, which honestly, I think is a
little bit unfair, because then we go into this montage
talking about Susan's misfortunes and all of the things that
kind of go wrong when she tries to help or
when she tries to be involved in a certain scenario.
And in terms of the cat, I thought, you know what,
someone breaking into the house is really out of Susan's control.
(06:43):
I feel like that really has nothing to do with her.
But I was curious in terms of remembering moments, I
wrote down.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I love when you write things down.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
I'm so good at it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
On my phone, I tag it down, I said, I
remember this falling on the table stunt, and then I said,
care to share.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Mom Oh, yes, that was the first rib I broke.
Definitely broke a rib on that one. You were saying
that you remember, I remember, And this is not because
again we've talked about people confusing Terry and Susan, and
Susan can't cook and Terry can cook, and Susan's a
fairly inept mother and Terry is not. And Susan's a
(07:26):
klutz and Terry is not. And the reason Terry is
not is because that takes to be able to turn
your body lean on the table, have it fall in
a certain way, have your face end up in a cake,
and do that over and over.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
All the glasses fallen.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, all of that so choreographed, and it's so effort full,
even though it looks like it just happened. And on
one take it was, you know, because we probably did
it five or six times. I mean, I don't know
how many cakes we had. But on one take I
just pushed too hard. That table was made of hard plywood,
(08:02):
and somehow I landed on my side and cracked one
of my ribs. Yeah, so I was unlucky. Like that
was a moment.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Did you know right away that something might have been cracked?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think I knew right away that I was in
that I was in pain.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But I all met at home.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
But I also appreciated the bird scene the little and
I was trying to remember that must have been CGI
had in right, There's no way anybody had a bird
on a fishing line that they were just like off camera.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, I think it must have been a post.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I thought, I mean not to toot my own horn,
But I was like, it is kind of funny to
look back on this and a think, wow, I look
like a baby. I can't believe I didn't realize at
the time I was so young, but also be like that.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Was really good.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That whole montage of all of those little comedic moments.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It really makes me think of mom.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
This is one of our favorite movies of Defending Your
Life Albert Brooks, and there is this incredible montage when
Albert Brooks's character is watching back moments in his life
and the woman who I mean, I forgive me. If
you've never seen Defending Your Life, you need this podcast.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
And watch it right now.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But the woman who's trying him for his life says,
and now I'm going to show you a compilation of moments,
some of them plagued by fear, some of them just stupid.
It's a compilation of all these physical stunts that Albert
Brooks execute so well. And I really thought of you, well,
(09:34):
I mean that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
To even be remotely a tenth compared to a genius
like that. But I mean, those are the people that I,
you know, studied like those movements and those comedic beats,
you know, going back to Lucille Ball. But you know,
somebody like Albert Brooks, I mean, or or Terry garr
(09:55):
In Tutsie. I mean, I mean that is where I
a sponge from those things. And anyway, great.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Show.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So we moved through Susan having bad luck and the
whole thing with the cat, and then we get to
a group scene, and I just wanted to talk about
how these were very arduous scenes to shoot because there
were so many people in them, and that means you
have to shoot from so many different angles and you're
just doing the same thing over and over and over
(10:28):
for hours and hours and hours to try to get
coverage of everyone, which is fairly exhaustive. But that said,
there was such power in having the whole cast in
the same room and and then the cleanup afterwards, and
and and I don't know.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, because we talk about how it's it's when we
watch the show, you know, it's really fun for you
and I having been on the show to watch it
because there was so much we didn't see. We would
read the scripts, but we didn't see these, you know,
other storylines, And so when you get a group scene,
it's really nice, I think as a viewer to see
all of these people in one room to watch even
(11:09):
in the background, like I'm noticing that I'm paying attention
to who is talking to who in the background. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Oh, that was another thing I loved about the scene
that all those extras that are crossing the street and
walking in like that was Patty. Patty was my stand
in for the entire run of the show, and Rosie,
Patty and Rosie go walking across the street, and it
just I mean, I know, I'm gonna cry like it.
(11:35):
You well, you know, I was a crew girl, you know, like,
I don't know what that is about me. I've never been.
I that was that was the the connection for me,
(11:56):
was all those families and their crew people, and you know,
we would go camping together.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Like yeah, I mean for years and and D and D.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
D A and uh it and and they would come
to my house for parties and and I threw bridle
showers and things were Patty and baby showers for people.
And I don't know, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Your community, it was people, it was your family, and
for so.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Much stand in it's a hard job. And I know
I think I'm tiary because I know Patty had a
lot of respect for me, and I have a lot
of respect for her back. And it was just a
moment in time. You know, eight years of a relationship.
We haven't kept in touch really, but I don't know
her work, her her sort of diligence to kind of
(12:49):
really clock what I would do in a rehearsal so
that she could repeat it enough that it would get
lit in the right way, which is really what a
stand in's job is is is you know, if they're
not paying attention and they decide to like sit on
the stool and then you come back and you're like,
I wasn't sitting, then it's not lit right. And so
(13:10):
it's an important job in terms of how they represent you.
And she really cared and.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Well that's so moving.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, anyway, gosh, I didn't think I was going to
talk about that, I.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Know, but it's nice and it was. It was noticeable
to see them on screen like that. Yeah, you know,
we didn't get to see them on screen, you know,
so it felt really it popped off for me.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, totally noticing the people that were the extras that
were there on sort of a loop of a basis
in the neighborhood. Yeah, it's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I love the community scenes too, because for me, it
feels like each time we get to see the whole
community together, all the women, yes, but all of the
other characters on the block, it just strengthens this idea
that there is really a fifth sixth character, which is
with Sterry Lane. And I felt like I got such
a larger understanding of what of community with Steria Lane is.
(14:02):
You know that a police officer is actually coming to
stand in someone's room to do a kind of town
hall about vigilance, about how to lock your doors and
how to make sure that you're safe. It really grounds
it in a even I know they never say, you know,
with Steria Lane is set in a fictional place, but
in a very specific atmosphere of an idea of an
(14:22):
American town that I found.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
It makes you feel like I want to live in
a town where the police come and give like a
lecture to the neighborhood. I would like.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
The equivalent of that with me.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Downtown is like a citizen and Reddit subgroups talking about
why fireworks are going off at two am every single night.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Not building chairs and croissants in someone's living room.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
App So in that cleanup scene with all the women
and this, I know we will we'll get to at
the at the end, you know, kind of our claim
(15:08):
maming of what our most desperate moment was. But I
found it to be very interesting and somehow feel familiar
to me, although I couldn't remember anything specific that had
happened to me. But have you ever been asked to
lie for somebody? Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Gosh, yes?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
And so what happens is Lynette asks Bree to lie
to the private school about her kids being wonderful students
so that they have a better chance of getting in.
And Bree is sort of like, well, your kids aren't wonderful,
so you want me to lie and let It's like, well, duh,
you know, yeah, And it was It's an interesting has
(15:50):
that happened to you.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
This is such a tough moral spot. And I had
the same instinct because I noted that moment too, and
I thought, gosh, okay, have I been in a scenario
like this, because my impulse is to say, yeah, of course,
I feel like I feel like I have, you know,
not around Obviously, I couldn't get anyone's kid into any school.
I'm sorry, but you know, actually, just recently, okay, I do,
(16:15):
I do.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I have a moment of this.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So in my communal building where I live, loft building,
there's an outdoor parking structure and we share it with
another building that is not a residential building.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
It's like an office building. And they were opening.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
New offices and they pulled and I happened to see
it because my girlfriend and I were walking out in
our outdoor parking lot to go to a coffee shop
in the morning, and they pulled this like eighteen wheeler
truck into the outdoor parking area, which is very narrow.
It was blocking all the cars, so nobody who lived
there could get in, and it had we hadn't seen this.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
This is the moral gray are, okay, but it was clearly.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like not supposed to be in a parking structure of
that size, And as we were coming back from coffee,
the truck had moved, but we noticed that the gate
to the outside was clearly broken. I mean it was
still opening and closing, but it was making this horrible
screeching sound, and it had all of these like slash
marks along it. And this man who runs the hoa
(17:22):
for the building was out there and he kind of
was looking and very hairy looking at the gate and
seemed very distressed. And he sort of said to us
as we walked by, did you did you see what happened?
Did you see this big truck? And we said, oh,
is that? I mean, yeah, obviously we see the gates damage.
And we did see there was a truck here this
morning when we were leaving, and it seemed like, you know,
(17:42):
they couldn't fit. And he said, well, will you go
on the record saying you saw them hit the gate?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Oh, when you didn't see them?
Speaker 7 (17:51):
We didn't see them hit the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
And we said we were like, oh, you know, we
didn't actually see.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Them hit the gate.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
You know, I can deduce, like any of us can deduce,
that that is what happened. And I'm happy to say
that I saw there was a truck here, but I
really can't say I saw it hit the gate for
you because I didn't.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, so it does come up. Yeah, yeah it felt familiars.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I'm sure it has in small ways.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You know, if someone and I'm going to use an example,
that feels weird, but you know, because like if you
have to be a reference for someone for something, that's
why it feels weird. Some'm like, when has someone asked
me to be a reference? But I have a recollection
of someone being like, hey, could you write me a
letter of recommendation or something? And you know, maybe I've
felt like, because I have love for this person, I
(18:38):
would inflate it a little bit or something like that.
But I found this to be an interesting moment too.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Well.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
One, it was very funny, right when she says, so
you want me to lie? And she said yeah, I
thought that was implied. Yeah, that was very funny. But
I also thought maybe bree could actually really relate. This
is speaking Breeze language right, as someone who strives so
hard to present a certain image. And yes, her kids
might be better behaved in general, but she does have
other examples of when something's not entirely on the up
(19:06):
and up, and she portrays it that way anyway. So
I thought maybe as Lynette's friend, she could have a
softer approach to understanding why Lynette was asking.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Her to You mean she could have or you think
she did.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
No, I think she could have. I kind of. I mean,
I understand because she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, because she ends with you know, but of course
you don't care about my like the fact that I
would want to get my grandchildren in.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And like yeah, yeah, and she's like no, not really.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I thought the reason that Brie was so resistant was
exactly because of what you said, Because I think Bree
seems like a character who is actually just barely holding
everything together behind this facade of perfectionism, that the last
thing she needs to take on is someone else's lie
about someone else's life, because she is kind of struggling
(19:54):
with all of the potential lies or half truth she's
woven around herself.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The end of this scene, they is the line that
I brought up at the beginning, which is that you just, uh,
just because you didn't hear fighting doesn't mean that they
were happy. And I do think that that is maybe
who says that?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Who that?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Because they hear. They hear Paul and Zach fighting again.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
They're establishing that they must have been, you know, they've
been fighting a lot recently. And they're standing on the
front porch looking out at their house and they can hear,
you know, this loud argument happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And I think it's just one of again those moments
of nostalgia that people can relate to of that it
is very pervasive, totally, this feeling, you know, you go,
even though this is a crazy neighborhood with crazy stuff
happening in it, there is this grounded sense of yeah,
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I've felt that before.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, And they're there.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
They're all gathered to have this neighborhood watch meeting because,
as we discussed in the top of the episode, there's
a b in and that sort of sets everything off,
and there's an item left behind, which sort of screwdriver
as a screwdriver on the kitchen counter of We get
to meet a new character. We meet Ida Greenberg in
this episode, and that's really fun. We meet a couple
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of people who end up being on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I do feel like Mark or the casting or the
casting department, or the two of them together, they really
did go out of their way to try to cast
people that maybe wouldn't be cast in other things. Do
you know what I mean the way I've said that,
I kind of joke that ABC wouldn't have cast four
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women over forty if they had known how old we were.
I also think, you know, the looking at trying to
put an old person in a role.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I mean, it feels very real, like they're creating an
honest sense of thing.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
And I love that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
They were creating those roles for those actors.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Oh, me too.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And I love that her complaint at the meeting was
that someone is trying to peep on her while she's
in the shower.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
So so the screwdriver's left, Susan you know, realizes, oh,
maybe this could be helpful to the police.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So she bags it.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
As potential evidence, which is charming and maybe really ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, But honestly though, it made me think, I know,
we always say Susan and so Mom, no, just that you,
the two of you are not similar. Although I did
feel like the overachiever in you, Mom that always wants
to go above and beyond and get an A plus
and follow things by.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
The letter and really do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It reminded me a little bit of Susan's intention behind
wanting to be like, I make make sure you didn't
miss this piece of evidence, right this. I want to
help you solve this. And well, I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That you think it comes from that place, because I
think some people think it may be her. That character
trait came from her just wanting to get involved in everything.
And I did like a like almost like a nosy
like I'm gonna be a part of everything.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
We already have missus Hooper.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
She fills up that nosy neighbor cup just fine on
her own.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So we then have Gabby's mother in law.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Oh out of nowhere, yes, brutal in law appearance.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Yes, And man, that is a that sets off a
whole dynamic there, I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And she she has a line that the mother in
law family should always hug, regardless of how they feel
about each other. And I mean that just almost I
don't know. That really made it hard for me to breathe.
It kind of reminded me of Susan actually says, which is,
here's another way Susan and Terry are not alike at all.
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Susan says in the end, of might have been the
last episode or third, she says to missus Huber, Yes,
was the mincemeat episode. After we get the frisbee back,
I mean, after we get the we do the frizzy measure,
we get the measuring cup back. She says something I'm paraphrasing,
but it's like every time I say hello, every time
I say I hope you have a good day, I'm
really thinking I hate your guts and I cannot live
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like that as a person, Like it's way too much
to hold on to. Yeah, it's way too much to
hold on to. And so it's sort of like snagged
me a little bit on Susan's personality that I was like, Okay,
is Susan really that kind of person? I mean, I
guess I guess she is, because that's that's the character
we're creating. But it's it's so now we're doubling down
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on you should always hug, no matter how you feel well.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And she is just Wanita Carlos's mom is such a
tough character to empathize with, because I loved how that
plot reveals itself that it seems like, okay, she showed
up unannounced, and then you get the reveal that Carlos
has actually called her because he is suspicious and he
kind of wants like eyes on the inside.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
And then and this, I know we've talked a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
About Carlos's behavior seeming really problematic, and I felt like
we started to get a little peek into maybe his
backstory when he starts breaking down and crying and he's
really vulnerable with his mom saying that he's afraid that
Gabby's having an affair, and she hits him.
Speaker 8 (25:05):
Yeah, smacks him across the face, across the face, and
she says, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We don't cry about our problems. We find ways to
fix them.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And there is the seed of toxic masculinity being bred
in Carlos.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Can I tell you that? Was I wrote, I think
this might be one of my highlight moments. Such a strong,
borderline abusive character revealing that he just doesn't know how
to make it right with the woman he loves. And
then he cries yeah, and you can you can see
the beginning of that toxic masculinity of where like he
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really wants to love. That's what I saw in that
scene that Carlos really wants to love, but he doesn't
have the first clue about how to correctly get there,
and now we know why.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
And then yeah, and he has this mother figure who
instead of saying, oh my gosh, thank you for being vulnerable,
it's you know, offering him some sort of comfort. She
teaches him this very problematic behavior.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
That showing emotion is weakness, that it equates to somehow
being weak versus what it actually is, which of course
we know is its strength. It's completely a strength, and
it could have been a breakthrough moment with him and
his mom, and instead she's backs him across the face
and she tells him we don't cry.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
And then she goes to do his bidding by.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Spying on Gabrielle through you know the rest of the
episode and trying to catch her inkes Gabrielle's life. Hell, yes,
makes Gabrielle and John the Gardener, Yes, our teenage friend.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Another amazing line from John the Gardener. I used a
month's worth of lunch money to pay for that motel room.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I know. Wait, I've got another one of John's just
so you know, I've turned down half the pep squad
for you.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Yeah, I know, I actually wrote down I think emer
since right because of what you'd said in a previous episode,
and I was like, I think the writers might have
just been having a really good time with these teenage
references at this point, because they are they are something.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
They're really miring him in in uh Minerville.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Yeah yeah, they're tripling down on that.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I don't think there was an interesting moment in the
Gabrielle storyline that really felt powerful and relevant today to me,
which is when they're out shopping and her mother in
law is trailing her, as we know, and she's just
not letting her out of her sight and they're in
this Lauderie store and they're talking about you know, she
makes a comment about Gabrielle having children and giving her purpose,
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and Gabrielle says, and for the record, I'm not one
of those women who has a hole in her heart
that can only be filled.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
By a baby.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
And I just thought, you know, we don't really explore
that that much at this point in the storyline of
Carlos and Gabby not having children, but I do know
that that is still very relevant in conversations I have
all the time with my friends about you know.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Becoming parents.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
And and that journey and the feeling of you know,
what's expected of you or what gives you purpose or
if you can live a childless life and be fulfilled
and happy, which they've actually shown studies that very much
bolster that sentiment. And so I really kind of liked this.
We haven't had that many moments of Gabrielle with having
strong convictions about things that are on the right side
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of morality thus far.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Yeah, and I thought this was a nice moment for
her character.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. I think so too. And it gets a little
glossed over. So I'm glad because she says it with
a lot of you know, umph. Yeah, but we don't
really come back to it, and we don't linger there.
We don't linger there, And it's kind of worth again
pointing out in the writing. I mean to just keep,
you know, praising Mark Cherry and the writers for finding
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these little moments that resonate so strongly that you know
you can still talk about them as relevant twenty years later.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Absolutely, I'm curious, Andrea. I mean, and if it's personal,
we don't have to talk about it. But as about
to be mom to be soon, did you feel like
you knew you always wanted to have kids. Did you
feel like you had a timeline of when you thought
you needed to do that. I mean, I think about
Gabby's character is a bit younger than the other women.
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I obviously I'm watching the show for the first time.
I feel like I have a memory that at some point,
maybe Gabby does end up having a kid. I'm not
sure that I'm getting that right.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
We won't say anything saying don't give me anything.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
But I'm just I'm curious how how that stuck with
you and what you think about that.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
I have always said that I am.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
I feel pretty grateful that I was on the side
of I always knew and that didn't change. Like I
knew when I was a kid I wanted to be
a mom, and I knew throughout getting older that I
wanted to be a mom, And then when it came
time in my life where that opportunity might be presenting itself,
I still knew, which isn't the case for a lot
of people, and they go back and forth or they
know the opposite, you know, and so, But the question
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of did I feel a timeline, Absolutely, and even though
that's because we're becoming better as a society about giving more,
you know, time to women and not putting this pressure
on them of you have to have a baby by
a certain age or that somehow you're unhealthy if you,
you know, are a late advanced maternal age mom, which
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technically I am. Wow, oh yeah, I know, you know,
but I do think it's still quite prevalent. It's it's
that's that pressure of the ticking clock is really strong,
and you know, some of that's biology, some of that
is is society and us not being that quick to
progressing our stance on women's healthcare or researching women in
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the medical.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Field much at all. So I definitely feel that.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
I feel that sometimes. Thankfully I found a medical team
who doesn't really introduce those themes. As in my pregnancy
journey thus.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Far, it's really hard for me to refer to you
as advanced aging and anything. I mean, you are my
thirteen year old daughter and you always will be. So
if your advanced age, you know, give me a hearing
aid and a cane right now, I.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Know, I know, it's really I'm in trouble.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Yeah, it's really nutty. It's yeah, it's a silly thing.
And I will say just to kind of cap that off.
I don't understand it right because at thirty five, this
is the earliest in my life that I've felt prepared
to be able to take this on, right, I really,
you know, and I know that's a different journey for everybody,
but I do feel like I'm in a great time
of life, not an advanced maternal age time of life, right,
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in a really sweet spot to do this.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So, yeah, I was thirty two, almost thirty three when
you were born.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh so you were in advanced maternal age at all?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No, but I no, but it felt but that felt
that felt very right. Even in hindsight, it feels like
that was right as opposed to twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty nine.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Oh my god, being it. Yeah, I mean I'm twenty eight, Yeah,
I absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I mean, I also, like you Andrew, have always known
that I want to have kids and that I want
to be a mom, and probably because I have such
an amazing mom and.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I just love child checks in the mail.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
But I could not imagine at this moment in my life,
with my career, with the things I want to accomplish
as a writer and a director, and my social life
and where I live and I just I cannot imagine
having a child.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, I think this is a good time to bring
up nipples.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Oh, I'm wondering when it's going to come up.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So God, did anybody notice the nipples pop out in
the purple T.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
Shirt of yours? And oh I noticed on the lawn.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
There was a there was a purple T shirt nipple moment,
and then there was a later gray T shirt nipple moment.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Wait, is that purple T shirt nipple moment when the
cop who's your guest star.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Even even echo.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yes when he comes and by the way, totally gaslights
you into letting him take you on a date. I
was like, this is exactly the problematic male behavior that
people call out.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
More to debt, I like to bring the term back
Carl and disguise.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
I think that we should collectively just just calling those
men they're Carl's Carl, and.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
We really do. And that has such a good payoff
at the end, that this is when your nipples are out.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yes, And it made me, first of all, I was like, Wow,
there's there's the nipples like I and there they are,
and I kind of remember at the time sort of
being proud of them, like you know, like I like
my breasts and I like my nipples, and I felt
good about it, and I think, I recall this is
one of those where I wish I had evidence, some
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like go research it, But I'm pretty sure this is accurate.
That the producers got calls from the network about myself
and Nicolette and we needed to put our nipples away.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
That was the language Nicolett and Terry need to put
the nile away.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I mean, I that's the way I'm saying it now.
And I did not want to put my nipples away.
I did not want to wear a thicker bra or
a different shirt, or walk around with a heating pad
under my shirt. Whatever the techniques would have been, I
don't know, but but you know, that's kind of my
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recollect of like what's the big deal, but then having
stepped away from it for twenty years and then seeing
it and being like, Wow, my nipples.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Are really out there.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I mean, maybe if I'd worked at the network and
I was in like standards and practices, I would have
been like, we gotta get rid of terrors nipples. Like
maybe I would have agreed because they were they were
they were prominent.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Well listen, that is totally I feel like coming back now.
Everyone's nipples. Nipple is not even our back, not even
just the silhouette of a nipple. I mean, people are
wearing full on see through things with no bras. I
was just going shopping for clothes on the Paloma Wol website.
I love Paloma Wool, but I gotta say, I am like,
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what world in which what world are we living in
in which I am supposed to buy a dress that
is entirely see through and wear it as worn by
your model on the website with no bra and a thong?
On where am I going in? It's an out anybody?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Could it would be you?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:00):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I mean, anyways, we could do a whole podcast on
how what happens to your nipples and pregnancy, but I'll
spare everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Okay, I yeah, all right.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Well I call my own standards and practices when I
see myself in the mayor and.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm like, put those away.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah yeah, get ABC on the horn and tell them
to put andrew his nipples away.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Anyways, Susan did have a I thought a charming storyline
that went from the cop yes asking her out her
deciding to go her insecurity with Mike about you know,
how do you feel about me? And how soon is
this moving along? And should I be dating other people?
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And how uncomfortable that is when you start to fall
for someone and it does feel early. I will say
that scene between Susan and Lynette where Lynette is refilling
the hole with dirt that she's made her sons dig
in order to get their energy out, that scene where
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they're talking about it, and Susan basically admits to, you know,
being this person who falls really hard, really fast. I
did think. Okay, I'm always saying how Terry is not Susan,
but I do think when I dated, because I don't
date anymore, but when I dated never too. It's no,
it's too late. When I dated when I was younger,
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I was definitely that person that was like signing the
married signature, like with your dad, Terry Tenny. How does
that sound, Terry Tenny? Like I was doing that, you know,
five minutes after meeting him, And that's kind of like
how I was.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I've been told that I fall hard or jump in. Well,
I jump into relationships with both feet pretty regularly. Although
I will say maybe to my credit. I think I
jump in with both feet, but I don't have trouble
extra hitting myself.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Second, it feels like it's not working.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Hey, So that's that's kind of that works out. I
think that works out. I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I thought that there was a lot of really beautiful
vulnerability in Susan, sort of you know, revealing to Mike
that she cares by way of asking him what's going
on here between us?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
And I really I wrote down the line that Susan says,
I'm mad that I like you so much without really
knowing anything about you, and I do. I think, yeah,
I love that line. I loved how you played it,
and I do think that's relatable for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
For dating.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
The early stages of dating requires so much mental gymnastics
figuring out what the other person is thinking about you.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
You know, do you like me? Is terrifying to ask me.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
So my big advice for not being in a successful
relationship or dating but being six years old and looking back,
is spend more time asking yourself if you like the
other person. Then all the time women tend to think
about does the guy like me? Does the person like me?
And I think we put a lot of energy into that,
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and instead you need to turn it around and say
why do I like this person? Do I like this person?
And why do I like this person? Because that'll help
you not end up in a relationship you don't want
to be in.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I do think those early stages of dating it is
so much projection. You know, we are projecting onto the
other person everything that we imagine they might be, and
also I think projecting in them who we might be
with them, you know, ideas and versions of ourselves that
we might want to be. And then I think the
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real test of a relationship as time goes on and
you start to pull those projections back and actually look
at who the person is because you have more time,
you have more information, and you also look at who
you are with them. Then I think that's the real test,
to go, Okay, do I really love this person because
it's who they are are and not who I've projected
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hoping that they're gonna be.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah, And Susan actually has a right to be a
little bit, you know, investigating a little bit about wanting
to know more about who Mike is because he is
hiding something.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
He is hiding something. Yeah, And I love.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I love Susan's revelation that she is saying, you know, oh,
she wonders if Mike is a caral in disguise, but
then she ends up realizing that Stephen Ecklets's character the
cop is really the caral in disguise, and how defiantly
she gets out of the car and she closes the door.
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And then I wanted to ask you, mom in that scene, Yeah,
where did you shoot that?
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because it's the backlot. Yeah, that's what I thought. That
was the backlot. I'm probably like New York Street or something,
but that was the backlot.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
The universal backlot.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Yeah, yeah, that that scene of you standing on the
corner and different Johns so to speak, pulling up asking
basically like are you available and what's your rate and
all of that.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
She doesn't say I'm not a sex worker. She goes, oh,
I'm on a break.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yea, And that's not I don't I don't remember this
actress's name, but I do remember the feeling of It's
it's a moment where I just love those sort of
day player kind of parts because you know, you're getting
I you know, whatever it was, we're working together, and
there was a comedic timing between the you know, get
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off my block, you can borrow my phone. I have
weekend minutes. The character says, remember weekend minutes was a thing.
Oh my gosh, and I just it's it's kind of
like the Ida Greenberg. These you know, our main characters
are such quote unquote stars, but these little characters are
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really what glew the whole thing together.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I have to say because now it's come up. But
she delivered my favorite line of the episode, which was
which was, honey, if I got paid in quarters, I'd
be doing something very wrong.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I thought that was that's a good line.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
She delivered it perfect.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yes. And also just to kind of, i mean wrap
up the Susan storyline while we're in it, we get
Mike and Susan's first kiss.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Oh okay, I have to and I had the broken
rib and it was hard for me to turn that
way to kiss him because I had the broken rib.
I remember that sitting in the truck and being like,
oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be able to turn
this way.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So that's the behind the scenes of like, this is
not as sexy as it may look, because Terry's actually
thinking about how much pain she's in from a broken rib.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Oh, because I was gonna say the screenwriter in me,
I am such a sucker for an in the car
first kiss, you know. I feel like in so many
quintessential movies. I was just rewatching Easy A and they
actually those two characters don't have their first kiss in
a car, but they almost do. And I just think,
you know, the pulling up at the end of the day.
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Obviously in this case, you know Mike has rescued you
off of your street corner, and that quiet stillness when
no one really wants to open the door yet know
that you have to go. You're right on the precipice
of something. I It's just it's such a romantic moment
to me, I love that moment.
Speaker 6 (42:06):
So also, I'm now thinking, as you're saying this, my
husband and my first kiss was in a car.
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Yeah, that's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So the one story we haven't really talked about yet,
which is so dynamic and incredible is the Breeze Act story. Yes,
and uh, you know it starts with her being worried
about him, and she's also alone because Rex is now
living in the hotel, and so uh oh that was
That was a great exchange too, where he where he
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comes over and to pick up the kids, and and
he tells her so sort of arrogantly, and you know,
with such confidence, you know, well, this therapy might not
work out, so you better get used to living alone.
And she just turns right around. It's like, well, therapy
might not work out, you better get used to crappy cooking.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Good.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So there was another omen in that scene where he
says he misses the kids, and you can tell there's
just like a split second where it lingers before anyone
says anything else, and you can tell that she's waiting
for him to say and I miss you.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Too, yeah, and he doesn't.
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yeah, yeah, And he mentions her guns again, which I thought.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
That was another great line. There's so many great lines, and.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
I'm waiting episode I'm waiting for for Breeze NRA membership
to really come back, and.
Speaker 6 (43:26):
I don't Yeah, I don't remember exactly when it shows up,
but it does come.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
But I I have that line here, something about if you,
if you, if if you you're a member of the NRA,
you have four guns. If somebody breaks in, I expect
you to protect me. Something like that. He says to her, Yeah,
it's really good. But so she Brie has Zach come
over for plum pudding, which I almost made, you guys, yeah,
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and then I thought, actually, I have my one of
my favorite chefs in the world, Paul Ainsworth. Everybody check
him out. He's in Cornwall and Padstow. He's also all
over British television in terms of all the competition kind
of stuff. A great guy, fabulous chef. I had my
sixtieth birthday party at his restaurant. Just the best food
anyways he has because it's quite British. He has a
(44:14):
plum pudding recipe that he's put out and they also
make plum pudding that you can buy online, which I
highly recommend because anything he does is delicious. So I
almost made you guys that, but instead, in the second
Brie and Zach scene, she invites him over for a
holiday meal that ends up never happening because she gets
(44:38):
involved with Rex and has to cancel. But you do
cut to her in the kitchen with a full on
roasted turkey and then there's candy jams in the back
and she mentions the candy jams and there's cranberry sauce,
and you know, whatever would go with a holiday meal.
And so that's what I did bring for you guys today.
(44:58):
So candy jams, which is yams that are topped with
candied pecans and then roasted marshmallows, is a staple at
my Thanksgiving dinner. I think it is everyone's favorite, even
if you are that person that goes I hate this dish,
which a lot of people do. It can be a
controversial dish. Sometimes I do that, but then you eat
(45:20):
it and you're like, Okay, I don't hate this dish.
This is amazing. I can't stop eating it. There's never
any leftovers. I think the secret in mind is the
zested ginger and the zested orange. Yeah, it's not too
sweet and it's not too sweet, and so I've brought
that for you guys. But let's talk about Brie and
Rex and Zach. While I sort of unfind.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I find this, I think it's interesting that you made
the candied jams as opposed to the plum pudding, because
the meal that doesn't get eaten really is I feel
like the crux of the relationship between Brie and Zach
and it is so heartbreaking to me person because we
see them connect over their first meal where Bree shares
(46:03):
an incredibly interesting Andrew, you already pointed this out, incredibly
interesting backstory into maybe her cleaning obsession, her need for
everything to be clean, and it's so specific and somewhat
similar to She's come across Zach cleaning the spot where
mary Alice's blood was.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
She asked him what happened to your varnish and he
reveals that that's where his mom, you know, called herself.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
And then she says that her mom got hit by
a car while they were caroling, and then she went
out to the street when everyone went to the hospital
and posed all the blood off of the street. And
I almost I had a moment where I thought, wait
a second, is she making up a story that is
so similar to Zach's story because she wants him to
(46:52):
feel like he can be vulnert. It almost had an
air of inauthenticity to me.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Well, that's an interesting that you brought that up, because
I had a little flag on. You know, I'm still
a bit obsessed. I'm going to go all the way
back to from I guess it was the pilot or
one of the first episodes where Rex refers to her
as what happened to the girl in college who used
to drink milk out of the cart? And I'm still
trying to figure that out. So I've gotten a little
(47:20):
bit obsessed and hung up on that. So when she
tells this story about using cleaning as a way to
erase her emotions from the time she was young when
her mother died, I was like, Okay, if that was happening,
then then where did the girl who drank milk out
of the cart? And come like, I'm still having a
little bit of trouble lining those two.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
I wonder I wonder if Rex brought that side out
of out of her, which is why he feels like
not an ownership of it, but so in love with
that because maybe he felt like he was the only
one who saw this version. And I mean, I'm really
just kind of hypothesizing, but maybe maybe that's it is
he felt like he was this the secret side of
Brie that only he got, and now he doesn't even
get it.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
Maybe it's that y.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
I also, I thought it was interesting when she was
sharing this story about her past that it also informed
not just the cleaning side of things, but also maybe
the mothering side of things for her. She then clearly
grew up without one, right, so she's created maybe the
idea of what she always wanted in a mom, so
(48:25):
she didn't forget to have And it was just so
tragic watching, you know, watching Zach really go through the
grieving process without support from his dad is it's touching.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
And I think Cody's doing such a lovely.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Job with that storyline because you can see he's troubled.
They allude to the fact that he might have been
troubled before this happened, and now he's kind of without
a network or a support system to go through this
incredibly tragic thing, and now Bree's offering him a hand.
And it's going to be very interesting to see where
that goes, because I can't tell if he's sort of
(48:58):
using Brie as a surrogate mom now or if there's
like a romantic thing happening.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
I don't get that there's romance.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
I was not picking up romance, but I was picking
up this deep sadness. And you're right, she extends this
hand and then because of the issues in her own
life and the fact that she wants to salvage her marriage,
she pulls it away, and we actually get a book
ended episode with a beginning of a break in and
an ending with a break in with this bizarre Christmas
(49:27):
decorating cry for help, I would say on Zach's part,
and this heartbreaking moment when when his pall comes in,
his dad comes in and he reaches for breeze hand.
And I didn't really view that romantically at all, but
I really did view it as this kind of surrogate
mother relationship that I think maybe she is unintentionally open
(49:48):
to can of worms she didn't really expect to.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, totally so we And by the way, I just
had a bite of this. I think this might be
the best thing I've thin I.
Speaker 7 (49:58):
Can actually smell the it's wasting off of it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's really really good. I think the secret to a
good candy Dam's dish is the combination of the sugar
and the salt. And there's actually even a little bit
of heat in there. There's a tiny bit of cayenne
in it. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of this.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
It's so good and it's so funny me Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Yeah, it's a thousand degrees outside, but I'm just going
to pretend that it's fall and it's coziness.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
And so this episode sort of wraps up with uh
Juanita sort of giving that kind of final threat to
Gabby of like, you know, I think you, I think
you know what I'm doing here, and I think you
know that I'm onto you, and I and and and
and then and Susan has gotten her kiss and where we.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
Oh and Lynette Lynette, we kind of lost track of
the storyline with the original Yes, so Lynette tires her
kids out, she gets them the interview, which, by the way,
this actually I think was my favorite line from the episode,
when the principal of the school says, we're always looking
for more diversity in regards in regards to the identical twins,
(51:17):
So funny being the diversity box that the school wants
to check. And she tires them out, and then it
sounds like they've gotten into the school, but they can't
afford to pay for it, and Tom throws out, well,
why don't you home school them because they can't go
to public school anymore, and you know, she sort of
(51:40):
throws that back in his face, and then we get
the resolve of her deciding that they need to sell
his sailboat so they can send the kids to the fancy.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She very artfully leads him to believing that that was his.
Speaker 7 (51:51):
Decision, stands next to the mantle and goes.
Speaker 6 (51:54):
She uses his argument for compromise and sacrifice to get
him to recognize what he could be offering up to sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (52:03):
She must have been so good in the corporate world.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
Oh yes, yes, and uh and but it doesn't lead
me to one other thing mystery that continues, which is
where is the baby?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Where is their baby?
Speaker 6 (52:15):
And also where is their third son in this episode,
because there are three little boys, and you know, you
see the twins trying to get in school and all
this stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
He's still in their public school because he didn't paint
anybody blue.
Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah, maybe he was in a different grade.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
Yes, he's allowed to stay in his schooling. Yeah that's true.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
So I love this episode, and I feel like some
of the episodes you feel like, I feel like one
of the last one we did, maybe I didn't feel
like I had it as much to say, I feel
like this one. There were some of my just favorite lines,
and I really was taken in by what each character
was sort of dealing with. I really loved this episode.
I felt like the most desperate moment to me, I
(52:56):
guess was Lynette asking Bree to lie for her. Feel
like that's your She didn't do it in a desperate way.
She did it almost playfully, like of course you're going
to do this for me. But to me, that actual
ask of asking a friend to lie for me, that
would be in real life that would feel like, Wow,
I've hit the bottom.
Speaker 6 (53:16):
It was coming from like I don't know what else
to do. I'm desperate for this. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (53:21):
What was yours, Andrea? What did you think your most
desperate moment was.
Speaker 6 (53:23):
I think my most desperate moment in the episode was
Gabrielle framing her mother in law for shoplifting so that
she could hook up with a teenager.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well that's desperate and funny.
Speaker 7 (53:34):
Yeah, that's hard to argue with.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
I was gonna say, I think my most desperate moment
was Susan calling her thirteen year old daughter from a
street corner using a sex worker's phone that she bribed
her for so the man who won't actually go out
with her could come and pick her up off the street.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Well, now that you say it that way, exactly.
Speaker 5 (53:55):
I think you win.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, that is the most desperate moment.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
I'm so so excited also as we're exploring more and
more episodes to hear from you, to hear from our listeners.
I know we want you to write in with questions,
with observations. It would be amazing to hear if you've
had a very desperate moment in your week that you
want to.
Speaker 7 (54:15):
Share with us.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Absolutely, and you can do that because our instagram is
live at Desperately Devoted Podcast.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
Come find us there, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (54:26):
Drop us a D m oh Man.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, thanks everybody for joining us again. We wish you
were here. There's a lot more candid dams.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
You're gonna have to put up a recipe.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I will definitely. I will always be putting up the recipes.
I love the way food is a part of our
lives and food is a part of with Sarria Lane.
And we will see you for the next one because
we are desperately devoted to you
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