April 8, 2025 • 58 mins
Anne and Paul face terrifying legal consequences. Father Patrick quickly ascends to a daunting new role and suddenly meets Marianne Woodward, a divorcée with two kids living on welfare in Dorchester. She has just escaped a difficult first marriage in Texas, and neither of them are prepared for what they feel when they meet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sometimes in life you make an impulsive decision for all
the right reasons justice, dignity, reckless, abandon etc. That immediately
plunges you into the deep end in way over your head.
And when that happens, you tend to examine your life choices.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
There I was inside the closet.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We last left Anne Walsh, trapped to two in the
morning in a roasting utility closet after the raid on
a Philadelphia draft board had gone horrendously wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Before I knew it, I heard those barking dogs with
a canine squad.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anne wasn't even supposed to be part of this raid,
but she had filled in at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Policeman came was with a drawing gun.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Everyone else had known the escape plan. If they got caught,
they scurried down a certain staircase into the Philadelphia night.
Now she was all alone in the dark in a
city she didn't know. It must have felt like the
ass not Michael Collins floating around the dark side of
the moon, no contact with humanity, while Neil Armstrong traps
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across the lunar surface. Anne Walsh was a woman desperately
in need of a lifeline.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was taken down to the ground floor, my hands
behind my back, handcuffed to a chair.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But it was these dogs, like you know, circling me.
So I'm praying, like to Saint Francis of a sissy,
Oh please love you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now Anne would be arrested, her one fear of disgracing
her war hero father realized.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And one policeman said, frankly, I'd like to piss all
over you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Police forces are kind of like hockey teams. You got
your finesse players, and you got your goons tonight and
got all the goons.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And that was like so horrified to me that someone
would speak to me in that way.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
She's been just over a year away from the convent,
and now she'd likely face years in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I thought I was done for. I thought I
was done for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Remember four draft boards now had been discovered ravaged, and
I was the only suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
She was about to have the legal weight of this
entire action and the broader actions of the whole movement
rained down on her.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I thought I would never see the light of day
because of all these crimes that had been committed and
me caught red handed.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Ann was in way over her head, but then Paul
Cooming rushed onto the scene.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I was the only carle that went.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Actually, this is like a snowy winter night and this
is the heart of the man of Paul coombing from
Dorchester from Saint Leo's. He was maybe nineteen or twenty
at the time, but he looked twelve. He planted himself
outside to be found.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I just sat there by the exit door so I
would not be alone.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
In her darkest hour. Paul staged himself to be arrested
along with Anne Walsh.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
They police came up and asked me what I was
doing there, and I said I was waiting for somebody
to come out of the train terminal. Then they took
me out of the car and put me in handcuffs
and put me in a Patti wagon.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They stuck Paul in the back of a police fan
and then one of the Feds climbed in with him.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He came in and started asking me questions and started
slapping me around on the face and telling me to
answer his questions and tell me who else was involved
and all this, and I just kept saying, please don't
hit me, Please don't hit me. That's all I had
ever answered, but I had my head been down like
this to try to protect myself a little bit, and.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Slapping like an Paul was an idealist, and like many idealists,
he was finding out, to the tune of the Little
Chin music, what happens when he took a stand for
justice in an unjust world.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I've memorized the whole patent on his shoes. He had
wingtips shoes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
On wingtips, you'll remember where the trademark dress code of
FBI agents, as insisted upon by Jay Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So I ended up in the cell and I see
Anne Walls being brought in right next to her the
cell I was going to be put in. He was
just so thrilled to see that I was there, that
somebody else was with her, and he was totally absolutely aloft.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Paul was taking a massive risk. He had already by
this point, as you may remember from episode one, mailed
his draft card back to the government, and now he
had just put his head in the lion's mouth. I'm
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Brendan Patrick Hughes, and this is Divine Intervention, Chapter five.
The red double doors on Park Street. While outside agitators
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Anne and Paul were awaiting arraignment in the Philadelphia Slammer. Inside, incrementalists,
Patrick and Floyd were starting to build a bona fide movement.
Young people from all over town were flocking to their
subterranean headquarters to serve restaurant meals to the poor, to
study books on liberation theology, and to raucously celebrate their
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wild Sunday liturgies. The basement walls were festooned with colorful
felt banners covered in birds and hearts and forceful phrases
on love. From the confines of their basement purgatory, Patrick
and Floyd felt they were finally fulfilling John the twenty
Third's promise of Vatican two and dragging the most powerful
religious organization in the world into the twentieth century. They
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wanted desperately to change this old institution into an example
of what a world changing twentieth century Catholic Church could be.
But the problem was the priests upstairs were having none
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Everything was an argument. This is Floyd, it becomes wearing,
it wears on you, let war on me. Over time, he.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And Patrick quickly discovered how uncomfortable change truly is.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
You know, when you go into the common room where
people would go perhaps just shortly before supper, maybe you
have a cocktail, and maybe stop afterwards to watch the
news or something like that, or chat a little bit. Yeah,
I would say that if one or both of us
came in there, it sort of emptied out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But here's the thing. They were incredibly popular. Hundreds of
young people were stuffing themselves into their basement on Sundays,
and it was becoming increasingly clear that things were headed
for a showdown. The boys had clearly outgrown their basement,
but with the Cardigan Brigade upstairs blocking their every move,
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they had absolutely no idea what to do. But then
crazy thing, one of those old fellas started wandering downstairs
to hang out with them. He saw what those crazy
kids were up to, and he liked it. I won't
tell you his name because his name was Bob, and
there are about nineteen other people in this show also
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named Bob because Catholics. So this unnamed man from upstairs
at the Poula Center asked if he could defect from
the upstairs meanis and join in on their basement shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And that was the foothold Jim Carroll that Floyd.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
And Patrick were able to stand on as they quickly
began to change the way things were done into Paula Center.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Patrick and Floyd had made their first alliance, their first
bona fide work friend, a single casino chip on which
to build an empire. As noted in Father X's Mysterious.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Notebook, concept of the teen Ministry emerges out of the
needs of the community.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So they named themselves the Team, and together the three
of them came up with a plan to take over
the chapel upstairs. They started off, according to Father X,
by attempting to go through the proper.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Channels a petition with seven hundred signatures from barishioners to
be allowed to use the chapel.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
As ignored, we tried to appeal within the house first
and couldn't get it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Pre steupstairs were not about to let these young turks
have the keys to the company Cadillac, so their only
recourse was to start punching below the belt.
Speaker 8 (08:23):
Patrick and Floyd refused to take collections at the four
pm and six pm liturgies, the loss of four hundred
and fifty dollars a week for the center.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The Paula Center was in serious debt and Patrick and
Floyd knew it. When they stopped taking collections at their
controversial basement liturgies, the place started losing in today money
thousands of dollars a week. But despite Patrick and Floyd
turning off this money faucet, the brass still wouldn't budge.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
The crisis point. March eighth, nineteen seventy, the team decided
that on the following Sunday they will take over chapel
by imminent domain.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So the boys prepared the community to march up stairs
and occupy the chapel.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
We're told that if we did, they were going to
call it the lade The resident priests.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Why are the New York hierarchy saying that if the
team is allowed upstairs? They were refused to say any
further mess.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now the whole place is in an uproar.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
So then we had to appeal to Scarsdale.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Scarsdale is where the Policies have their national headquarters, where
the Superior General has his office.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Paulists throughout the country are in a state of turmoils
in regards to the goings on at Park Street.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Now, polists all over the country were gnashing their teeth.
So the heads of the National Order came to Boston
to sort things out.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
The council meets with the whole Policy Center.
Speaker 9 (09:39):
I can still kind of picture him in that room.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's Christine Truffant. She was there. She was a local
college kid who had discovered Patrick and Floyd's basement liturgies
and volunteered in many of their programs.
Speaker 9 (09:51):
He talked to us in the basement of the church,
and it was a very crowded meeting.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
As I remember, I.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Was horrified and so surprised to realize he was really
wet his finger and telling us we better get in line.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I just think it was a matter of control.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Never before had the policed hierarchy had to reprimand its
parishioners for their enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
The hierarchy was so scared.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What were they afraid of?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
After a presidential tongue lashing for the youngs downstairs, it
was time for a showdown with the Cardigan brigade upstairs.
That meeting was intense.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
All anger and hostility is out in the open for
the first time. The regulars want the team kicked out.
The house is now in two armed.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Camps, sitting in this deeply uncomfortable face to face confrontation
with the men upstairs. Patrick and Floyd said fuck it
and gave the Order president the hard sell.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
They wanted. First control of the whole apostolic operation, second
financial autonomy, third, two more members for the team, and
fourth reassignment of residence priests to other centers.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A stunned silence at their unmitigated gall filled the room.
But here's the thing the President of the Order could
not deny. Patrick and Floyd were the ones that had
the box office to make the center financially solvent. He
had no choice but to grant the chapel to the team.
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Their gamble worked. Patrick and Floyd, the young turks, the
fucking new guys who had only arrived the year prior,
suddenly found themselves in charge of the entire goddamn Paulas Center.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
May of nineteen seventy and Tobin joined the team. That
is a revolutionary act.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Tobin was appointed to be a female lay minister, which
sent shockwaves.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
This is really advanced stuff for the time, and I
know now it probably doesn't seem like a big deal,
but to introduce a woman into the mex It's great.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Patrick and Floyd had huge plans. Patrick and Floyd were
coming down the mountain. Patrick and Floyd were going to
drag this dusty institution into the twentieth century, whether it
liked it or not. But that, you guys, that is
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the exact moment Marianne walked through the front doors and
into our story.
Speaker 10 (12:31):
He had on a blue button down shirt and a
pair of jeans and loafers and his incredible, fantastic smile,
and he walked in and gave me the hugest grin,
a huge Patrick grin, and.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
It was this incredible moment of absolutely love at first sight,
just was boom and then gone, you know, and then of.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Course, I mean, my god, he's a priest.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You've heard from Marianne a lot already, but this is
where she first enters our story, walking through the Paula
Center's iconic pair of red double doors, meeting Patrick and
falling in love on the spot with a Roman Catholic priest.
But if you knew anything about Marianne's life up until
this point, you would know this was basically the exact
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opposite of what was likely to happen in this scenario.
Marianne had been to Hell and back and didn't have
room in her life for some infatuation with an unavailable man.
Marianne grew up in Milton, which is next to Dorchester.
Her mother died of stomach cancer when she was ten
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years old.
Speaker 12 (13:45):
My father comes in one morning, it was about five
o'clock or something, and wakes me up to say, mummy's
very sick, but did you have to get up? And
I'm sitting there, and father Carlin opens the front door, like.
Speaker 13 (14:05):
With this huge swish.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
The door just slams open, and he takes.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
The stairs two at a time or three at a time,
and races upstairs.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
A Catholic priest was the harbinger of her mother's death.
Speaker 12 (14:21):
Like I was in absolute denial about what was going
on until I saw him do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
After that, Marianne entered a period of deep loneliness. Her father,
a traveling salesman, then hastily married his manicurist, who was
vindictive and strange and permanently inebriated. This made Marianne a
bit of a Cinderella, and when she graduated high school,
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she was determined to escape the cruelty of her neglectful
father and wicked stepmother and get the living hell out
of Milton, Massachusetts, and lucky for her. The US go
government was in the middle of a program it called
the War on Poverty.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
JFK founded the Peace Corps and Vista. He created these vehicles,
and then he called this whole generation forward to serve
that how you could be fully human and fully alive
is by serving.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Vista was to the domestic United States what the Peace
Corps was to struggling nations around the world. So Vista
volunteers were deployed to help alleviate poverty and small struggling
communities throughout the US.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
I'd gone into Vista mainly because I had to get
out of town. I was like a goody two shoes.
I mean, I could have gone in the convent or
joined Vista, but I liked to party too much for
the convent, so better to go to Vista.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Marianne was stationed just about as far from Milton as
she could be in Laredo, Texas.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Oh my god, I learned so much being with other
young people, and we were all being educated about the
world and how it worked and our role in it,
our potential around impacting it and really making a difference.
And we believed that we could and we saw that
we did. I met Caesar Chavez. I stood on a bridge.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
With him, and she experienced a fairly massive political awakening.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
I was just so influenced by those times, and it
grounded me. It sort of took me. That experience took
me and just planted my feet firmly in a foundation
that I've never veered from in terms of my work,
the work I want to do in the world.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Marianne stayed in Laredo for two years, organizing, fighting for
justice and learning what kind of difference you could make
in the world. But when her tour was over, she
faced the terrifying specter of returning to Boston, the loneliness
of her life there, and the cruelty of her stepmother.
So she looked around and hooked up with the only
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other twenty something in Laredo, Texas, a local kid named
Mike Woodward.
Speaker 10 (16:56):
Mike I think had enormous potential, handsome. He lived on
the border, which is a culture that makes your head spin.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And quite confoundingly, like so many people of Marianne's generation,
despite being twenty zero, they immediately planned to get married.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
Why in the name of God we thought we should
get married. We didn't know each other. The chemistry was
so overwhelming that we thought let's just do it. It
wasn't like I knew him. Well, we couldn't have sex.
Otherwise you married the first person you had sex with.
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It's so prehistoric. Yeah, And the first person I had
sex with was Mike Woodward. Therefore I married him.
Speaker 14 (17:45):
It all makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He knew just the place for a shotgun wedding. So
Mary Ann, Mike and their Vista pals caravans deep into Mexico.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
How we get to this place in Mexico is by
following the electric wires. Are no roads. It took us
till midnight to get to the place. We knock on
the Justice of the Piece's door and she comes down
in her nightgown. We're in a garage and she marries
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us in Spanish, which of course I didn't understand, but
I did say see.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Marianne and Mike then tried to settle down. They got
a little place, and Mike got a job.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
Mike had been raised in a really macho culture, and
I have a vivid memory we had been demonstrating for
higher wages for restaurant workers, and we'd been demonstrating in
front of this restaurant and hadn't told him I was going,
so I was on TV footage that night. Mike came
home like enraged and actually pushed me that night, and
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I was pregnant with Chrissy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The mic she had dated was not showing up in
her marriage. Mary Anne started to get a sinking feeling
that perhaps she was in way over her head. The
loneliness that had chased her since her mother's death caught
back up to her.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
That was the patriarchal culture. You know that you had
a right to tell your quote unquote wife what she
could do.
Speaker 15 (19:14):
I asked my mom, like, why didn't you guys decide
to have kids so young?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Crazy Marianne's daughter Chrissy, and she said.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
I think because I was so lonely. Chrissy was born
in August, and then Jojo was born a year and
a half later.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Mike Woodward was one part dreamer and two parts banned
it with a twist of instability. He moved them around
every few months in search of a purpose.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
He was just a.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Lost soul and was desperately trying to find himself or
his place in the world or anything, any kind of
meaning or purpose or whatever. And it wasn't being a
young husband with a wife and children building a little
life together.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
By the time Joe Joe was born, Mike was spending
weeks at a time away from the family.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
I don't even know if maybe he'd been maybe doing
some drugs at that point, but when he came back,
he was just convinced that we all needed to go
like a bunch of homesteaders to Taos, New Mexico.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
The last place we lived with him was in a
thing called that Kiva and Taos.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Akiva is an ancient Pueblo meeting space dug into the
ground with earthen walls and floors. Mike had found an
abandoned one, and, being a committed hippie, decided to start
over with Marianne and the kids as homesteaders.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
It's not really a place that you could have two
infants because it was so traumatic and shocking to be
living in a mud hut.
Speaker 16 (20:44):
Like.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
She couldn't put us down having two babies. She could
put Joe down on the ground. You had to get
wood to boil water that kind of stove. Awful, awful, awful.
The next crisis is Jojo got sick.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Jojo suffered from horrible asthma and had quickly developed pneumonia.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I'm walking down the highway with these two kids from
the hospital, carrying Joe on my backpack and Chrissy in
the carriage. I was so clear I'm done.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Then two nights before Christmas.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
So Christmas came. You can imagine how pleasant that was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Mike showed up all hepped up on goofballs.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Christy was in a crib and Jojo was in another crib.
I was asleep. He came in in the middle of
the night and I think was on drugs. Joe woke
up and was crying. I went to pick up Jokes.
I know, I had Joe in my arms. Then Chrisy
woke up and just screamed at the top of her lungs.
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He goes over to Chrissy's crib, and I felt like
Mike was going almost like after her, and I grabbed
his arm to not allow that, and I had Joe
in my arms, and he started to hit me.
Speaker 15 (22:19):
I remember being under them or between them, and Mike
like hitting my mom.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
So I'm sort of holding Jojo. I'm bent over to
protect him, and he's hitting me from the back, and.
Speaker 15 (22:41):
She was crouching over Joe. I had Joe in her
arms and I was beneath them somehow, and he took off.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
After Mike left, Marianne was alone with two children who
needed something better than this. The next day, there was
a knock at the door.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
And it's four of Mike's friends from Austin. I was like,
what are you doing here? They found us because they
had some sort of intuition something was wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
What gave them the intuition, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
They didn't know. They were just really worried and thought
something might be really wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Austin to Taos is a twelve hour drive. These old
friends had all felt their Spidey sense tingling, and driven
all night on Christmas Eve, I.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Looked at those guys and, honest to God, it was
like it was like the Three Kings arrived with their
incense and Mrror and you know whatever. Really it was Christmas. Honestly,
it was a Christmas miracle. I couldn't believe it. They said,
we were just really worried about you, and I said,
the minute they said I have to get out of here,
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that was it, Brendan, it was divine intervention.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Marianne grabbed a bag of diapers and threw a few
shirts in a backpack. She loaded the kids into the
car and left her husband.
Speaker 10 (24:16):
We fled in the middle of the night. It took
everything for me to get to where it was I
needed to be to be able to leave, but I
didn't have anywhere to go.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Her friends brought her back to Austin, where she and
the kids crashed on their couch for a few weeks,
listening to Buffalo Springfield's Yellow album and wondering what the
hell she was going to do. Mike found out, of course,
and followed her to Austin, where she told him their
marriage was over.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
First he's pleading with me to come back together again.
Then he's threatening me. He's going to take the kids.
He's taking out all the stops. He was basically saying,
I was really wrong and I really want a do over,
and I couldn't do I just couldn't do it. Couldn't
do it. No, the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He came back to the apartment repeatedly, and eventually she
wouldn't even open the screen door for him.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
There was a night he came to the apartment again,
pleading again, and I was again saying I can't do
it and he ran out of the apartment. Just desperate.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Mike was running down Guadalupe Street along the UT Austin campus,
known to locals as the Drag. He felt his life
falling apart, and he ran up to the first person
he saw.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
He literally ran up to a man in a trench coat, saying,
I need help. He had no idea who the guy was,
he just looked official.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Mike had randomly run up to a Paulish priest named
Jack Campbell who worked at UT Austin.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
So Jack brought him in to the rectory and learned
about the whole story, and he could see the trouble
Mike was in mentally.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So Jack agreed to go talk to Mary.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
And there's Jack Campbell again in a trench coat. He
looks completely official, and he said, are you Marianne Woodward?
And I said yes, And he said, my name's Jack Campbell.
I'm a priest and I have Mike down at the rectory.
Can I come in? And I said sure.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Turns out father Jack was from Boston, just like Marianne.
It only took one conversation for him to see that
Marianne did not belong in a marriage with Mike. And
she needed to leave Texas. So over the next few weeks,
Jack worked with Mike and mary Anne. They reached an
agreement that Mike would seek medical treatment and mari Anne
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could return home to Boston. Then, in January of nineteen seventy,
Jack drove mary Anne and the two kids to the airport,
and while they stood there at the gate, Jack gave
Marianne something he'd brought for her.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
He had written on his ordination card, which was I remember,
I say, I might must still have the Ordination card.
I'm sure I do. I'm sure I do. In a box.
The ordination card was a quote from Tayar de Chardanne
on the front.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Tahar de Chardin was a Catholic mystic and let me
tell you, and I say, this is basically an atheist.
His writing is the shit.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
He handed me the card and he said, as he's
handing me the card, I want you to look up
this guy. He's my best friend in the world. You're
really gonna love him. He's terrific. His name's on the
back of the card.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Father Jack had given mary Anne Patrick's number at the
Paula Center.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
And then he said, and don't ever be afraid to
fall in love again, And that was the last thing
he said to me before I got on the plane.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Mary Anne, at twenty three, flew home to Boston with
her two tiny children. Jojo was nine months Chrissy was two,
and she moved into an apartment on flo Florida Street
in Dorchester.
Speaker 15 (28:02):
I was convinced that there was quicksand on Florida Street
because Florida.
Speaker 10 (28:10):
I had two kids and not a nickel, nothing, and
it was obvious I would have to go on welfare.
I had no other option at that point.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She met a caseworker, barely got her expenses covered, and
settled into her new life in Dorchester. While she was unpacking,
she came across the card father Jack had given her
in Texas.
Speaker 10 (28:31):
I decided I would call Jack's friend Patrick. I don't
know why exactly, but I decided I would call.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But when she reached for the phone, something strange happened.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
When I sat down, I will never forget it. I
put my hand on the receiver and I thought, this
is one of the most important phone calls I'll ever
make in my life. And then I proceeded to dial the.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Number, brushing off that strange premonition. She diediled seven digits,
and she and Patrick had a brief chat where he
invited her to come down to the Paula Center sometime, and.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
I hung up. And I also then remember thinking I'm
not going to go to the Pall Center. I mean,
you know, I made the call because in some ways
I felt almost obligated to Jack to make the call,
and because I just made the call. But it wasn't
as if I wanted to talk to a priest for
sure about I don't know what God has put together,
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Let no man put us under.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Say that box checked. With a new chapter of life
to begin, she forgot all about the Paula Center and
began to meet other tenants in the building.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
We all had kids about the same age, and everybody
used to babysit for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
She was determined to continue the political work she started
in Vista.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
So I started doing welfare rights and we did some
prison stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
But then something horrifying happened on a campus in Ohio
that would indirectly change the entire course of her life.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
The first week of May of nineteen seventy was the
invasion of Cambodia, and it was the murders at Kent State.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You earlier asked what was the pivotal moment, Jim Carroll,
when young people began to understand that they were standing
against something broad in the culture. And I've always thought
that the pivotal moment was Kent State.
Speaker 17 (30:25):
Mixon, violating the promise he had made not to extend
the Vietnam War, extended it by bombing Cambodia.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Howard Zinn At Kent.
Speaker 17 (30:36):
State University, huge number of students got it on the
campus lawn. The governor called out the National Guard.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
And the National Guard shot and killed four students.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
By then, it was well known that the government was
capable of waging any immoral war ten thousand miles away.
But at Kent stated began to feel like the government
would turn its guns against young people.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
It was and there were so many moments during that
time that were so chilling and so devastating about what
was what, my god, what is going on in this world?
How can this be happening?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Despite the horrifying fact that the government was now deliberately
killing protesters, Marianne felt she had a duty to voice
her dissent.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
I had heard or read in the Globe that there
was going to be a demonstration on the Boston Common,
and so I packed up the kids, Joe on the
backpack and Christian a carriage, and we walked to Ashmun
station and go to Park Street and go to the demonstration.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
She and the kids marched and sang with protesters all afternoon,
and when the demonstration was over, they were walking down
Park Street back to the T station when she saw
two sets of red double doors across the street.
Speaker 18 (31:59):
So I I said, oh my god, there's the pausitor.
I should go say hello to Jack's friend. I should
go over and say hello to Patrick. And I walk
into the building. Just walking into the building, there was.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
A reception area and you could feel the aliveness of
the place the minute you walked into it. And Pat Downing,
who later became a good friend of mine, was sitting
at the reception area, and she yells into the intercom system, Patrick,
someone's here to see you. I waited a few minutes
and I'm just sort of standing around with the two kids,
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and Patrick walked in. And I was anticipating that a
priest would.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Walk in, but Patrick, always in a city's was not
at all what one picture is when one thinks of
a Catholic priest.
Speaker 11 (32:48):
And it was this incredible moment of absolutely love at
first sight.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
They each quickly tried to brush off what happen and
when they locked eyes and said a friendly hello. He
had moved his office upstairs from the basement, and he
took Marianne and the kids into one of the conference
rooms where a bunch of volunteers were working on big projects.
Speaker 10 (33:12):
And it was like a war room. It was like
a campaign office. And in the campaign office, everybody they
were on phones and mimiograph machines and doing press releases.
And everybody looks up and Patrick says, hey, how's everybody doing.
I just want to introduce you to someone. You know.
I don't think I ever told you guys that I
was married with two kids.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right as a joke, paging doctor Freud.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
He was so charismatic and magnetic and fun, just fun, light,
lighthearted and fun, but really deep at the same time.
That's why he was so acharged, That's why he was
so magnetic. He didn't take himself seriously. He wasn't egocentric
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and dopey, you know. So he knew who.
Speaker 16 (34:00):
He was and he knew what his life was committed
to love and joy and mission and passion and being
fully alive in service.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
They went up to his new office and she told
him all about her ordeal with Mike. In Texas. Patrick
had just taken over the chapel for his liturgy extravaganzas,
and the first one would be this Sunday.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
And he said, why don't you come in to Mass
on Sunday night? Why don't you come into the liturgy.
I think you'd really enjoy it. And again I'm thinking
to myself, really, I was still stuck with this idea
of more of the old church. I had not been
introduced to the new Church.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like most adults who grew up Catholic, Mary Anne had
long since lapsed and felt perfectly fine being church free,
thank you very much. Yet the following Sunday night, she
found herself putting Christy and Jojo down to sleep, getting
her neighbor to watch them, and slipping down to the
Red Line. She got off the train at Park Street
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and walked up the hill towards the illuminated gold dome
of the State House, approaching the Poula Center's iconic pair
of red double doors.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
So I get to the Paula Center and it is
rocking the house. I couldn't believe it. It was so
crowded that I had to go upstairs to the balcony
because there were no seats left. People were hanging from
the brekofters. And I went upstairs. I remember had on
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a red dress. I remember that, I actually remember the
red dress. And I went upstairs and I stood by
the banister.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Mary Anne wound up front row center in the standing
room only balcony, staring right down at the altar.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
The music, music really stirs to soul, really.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
In the body back.
Speaker 19 (35:49):
And they had a group of people that were playing
guitars and.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Singing, Christine Trufont and Antobin, enthusiastic members of the Paula
Center Gang.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
You couldn't help it. Again, the music was very temporary.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Music was so lively, and then.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
It began, do the right thing, do the.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Do it all the time, do it all the time,
make yourself right.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Never mind, don't you know you're not the only one suffering.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It was such a joyful place.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
There was something greater going on there in the sense
that it was more equal. The priest wasn't held any
higher than the people, and it was a new concept.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Do the right thing, do the right thing, do it
all the time, do it all the time. Make yourself right.
Never mind, don't you do you that the only.
Speaker 19 (36:47):
Suffer I'll see you up looking and wandering so diligent,
crossing the teasers over.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
One ANLEI is this is what they.
Speaker 18 (36:58):
Really let They could mean a rock, then we could
be the pay minsense.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
There's a point in the mass when you're doing the
consecration you actually hold up the chalice and the host.
And Patrick said there was a moment when he held
it up and he saw that I was up in
the balcony, and he said, oh great, she came.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
We'll make it all right.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
It'll call around, I'll mention it.
Speaker 13 (37:25):
They say it's nothing, but that in reality they ca
it someone make it, someone take it day.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Marianne was thunderstruck by her experience that night and decided
she was all in.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Because I knew I wanted to be a part of this.
I just wasn't sure how you did it, so I
was just going to keep.
Speaker 20 (37:56):
Showing up, doing time.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
Naked in.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Her only problem was a growing crush on a Catholic priest.
Patrick was in the throes of having just taken over
the entire police center. He didn't need this crush either.
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He and Floyd were pulling in massive donations at their
weekly extravaganzas. But they had started so many programs in
their basement and had so many huge ideas for the
place that they had ballooned the budget.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
But that required some money. Floyd, well, there's no money.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Patrick and Floyd had harnessed the energies of the young
and built a bonafide army of do gooding hell raisers.
So they took this opportunity to make a statement. And
that's when Patrick put together a plan that literally, and
I mean this changed the world.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
The following Sunday was the first Walk for Hunger.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It was at this moment that Patrick started the Walk
for Hunger. This was the project all those people in
Patrick's office were working on when Marianne walked in.
Speaker 14 (39:21):
The thing about it was it was a very ingenious idea.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
This is Bob Cannaane from the Milwaukee fourteen.
Speaker 14 (39:27):
Where Patrick genius saw at first in a sense was
that people like to do things in order to raise
money for good causes, like rather than just going door
to door or asking somebody to donate over TV or
something like that, there was an action.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Perform Stuck for money, but surrounded by youthful energy. Patrick
started the first pledge walk in the United.
Speaker 14 (39:54):
States, where the people raising the money feel good about it,
and the people giving the money feel good about it
because you walk twenty mile, that's great, y'all. I'll give
you so much a mile, and things like that. So
it was participation that was really.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Key, and his simple idea quickly went viral. These days,
there are hundreds of walks and runs and marches for
charity throughout the United States, and from Boston, you know
all about the Walk for Hunger. This year will be
the fifty fifth walk. It's a long standing testament to
the better angels of Bostonians and one of our most
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important rites of spring. But here's the thing to know
about Patrick that mary Anne was now learning. Sure, he
was a pied piper who could muster the enthusiasm of
thousands of people, but he was also perpetually in over
his head, so a central component of all of his
crazy schemes was always a certain merry confusion. In her
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first week, Marianne saw no end of people scarring around,
putting out fires and laughing the entire time Patrick had
asked one volunteer to plan the route, but Boston is
a spaghetti bowl of one way streets.
Speaker 19 (41:08):
It seemed like way more than twenty miles. Tobin to me,
it felt like this must be one hundred and miles,
And in fact, somebody did go out and measure it
afterwards and it was more like thirty.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
But even in the midst of what anyone else would
call a hellish logistical nightmare, Patrick infused the entire Paula
Center community with a certain irrepressibility, even in inclement weather.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
And it poured rain. It poured rain. I can't even
tell you. It never stopped raining from early morning till
late night. It just poured all day long.
Speaker 19 (41:45):
It was like a northeaster and it was awful, awful,
but we did it and we laughed.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
It was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
This is brutal.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And this was a Sunday, which means that night Patrick
had a mask to celebrate again.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
I got the kids to bed, I leaned babysat, and
I got in there by the eight o'clock mass. They
were just straggling in. They were just straggling in still
at eight o'clock at night, because they had walked twenty
five miles and it had been pouring rain that had
to stop. And Patrick came in drenched, drenched, drenched with
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slickers and unbelievable it was. But it was such a
feat And I don't know how many people walked at
that first I think maybe a couple thousand people.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
As he began the liturgy that night, he saw that
Marianne returned and their eyes met.
Speaker 10 (42:42):
And as I got to know more of what was
happening at the center in terms of activism, and as
I got to know the people more, it was I
just felt like I had died and gone to heaven.
I couldn't believe that this community was there for the
taking to be part of.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
After the leturgy, Patrick invited Marianne to join the gang
out for dinner.
Speaker 10 (43:09):
Patrick came over and introduced me to some people and
all that, and said, folks are going down to the
New Deal for pizza, so would you like to join us?
That's all I was like, okay, So I asked somebody
where the New Deal was, but I didn't really know anybody.
So I sort of walked down to the New Deal
by myself. The whole gang kind of arrived and I
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was sitting beside me and Tobin, who I think I
had just met. Patrick came in and he sat down
over here and he started chatting, and we were all
talking and everybody's all hanging around and Ann Tobin told
me later that she thought to herself, if he ever
leaves the priesthood, this is who he'll leave it for.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
After pizza and beer at the New Deal, Patrick didn't
want this new person to get away, so he offered
Marianne a ride home Sunday nights.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
This habit started that Patrick would offer to drive me
home because I lived in Dorchester and I would be
walking from the train station by myself. He'd say, how
are you getting home? And I would say I'm taking
the subway and he'd say, no, no, I'll give you a ride.
So sort of like that, and that started probably the
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very first night.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Despite their romantic tension, they quickly became very close friends.
Marianne found more reasons to get involved in the Paula Center.
She brought her kids, she sat on committees, and Patrick
would drive her home. And as a Bostonian, I can
tell you that trip is a schlep. But as their
chemistry grew, it might have started getting a little too
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close for Patrick's comfort, so he bought himself some insurance.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
So one Sunday night, Patrick said, I have an idea.
This is really good friend of mine. She's actually in
the singing group. She's in New Jersey right now taking
care of her father, but she's coming back to Boston.
She actually just quit school and she's looking for a
place to live. And I was wondering, if you want
to put her up till she can find a place
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and she could help you out with the rent, and
what do you think? And I said, oh, sure, because
again I don't know in those days, you were like, right, yeah,
what's the next thing? Of course you have no second
thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Sarah Toci would eventually stand next to mary Anne and
Paul in the Brighams, trying to smuggle Paul into the
Paula Center for his sanctuary.
Speaker 15 (45:30):
I remember them talking and laughing all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Chrissy again, mary Anne's daughter, who was just turning three
when Sarah moved in.
Speaker 15 (45:41):
And Sarah I remember as having like long wavy hair
and a beautiful singing voice, and she seemed sad to me,
like there's a melancholy about her.
Speaker 20 (45:56):
I am a loner. I always have been, and I'm
just the brink of giving it all away.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sarah left behind a mountain of stenopads and journals. I
found them in the same box I found Father X's notebook.
Speaker 20 (46:11):
A loner, it's hard to accept, hard to deal with
a happy sad night. We're so happy, You're happy, so
happy you found a home.
Speaker 15 (46:21):
But also she was screaming, laughing all the time. She
felt like family.
Speaker 10 (46:25):
We just rolled.
Speaker 15 (46:26):
Along with my mom's accumulation of her family. So when
she pulled someone into the orbit, it just was It
just was like, Oh, this is Sarah. Sarah lives with us.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Reading her notes brings you right back to the emotional
intensity of your twenties, the thrill of a new friendship,
the daily epiphanies about your purpose in the world, the
possibility of outrunning your weaknesses.
Speaker 20 (46:51):
To believe in God is to get high on love
enough to look down on your loneliness and forget it forever.
Right mary Anne Big tears.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Late talk.
Speaker 10 (47:06):
We just we were the most incredible match.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
At long last. Mary Anne had found her people.
Speaker 10 (47:14):
Then we had each other to engage with and make
sense of the world. For everything I could get my
hands on to understand the world, to understand myself, to
understand my relationship with God, with the divine, just to
know and to understand.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
And so was she.
Speaker 10 (47:32):
I was hanging up one of her posters in the
living room bedroom slash and I turned around to her
and I said, do you think you're moving in? And
she said, I think I'm moving in? And that was that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And then the two of them became inseparable.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
With Patrick, I mean he would be driving the two
of us home on Sunday nights. From the center right,
Patrick and Sarah and I became something of a trio.
Speaker 20 (48:04):
Hey, Patrick, we hate to finish what we've just begun
with you. We still haven't let go of your hands,
have we? Are we committed to each other? Are we
three committed to each other?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
All that fall, Mary, Anne, Patrick, and Sarah became the
Three Musketeers. The loneliness that had chased her since her
mother died was finally draining away. She knew that this place,
packed with singing, laughing people, was a place that could
change everything from the inside. In Philadelphia, outside agitators, Anne
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and Paul were waiting in the bowels of a brutalist
courthouse to be arraigned for a draft board raid gone
horribly wrong. Also in attendance was a teenager they knew
named Cookie.
Speaker 10 (49:00):
So I go down there, I meet the lawyer.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Cookie Ridolfi had been on the support team of the
Philly raid and brought sandwiches to the hiding raiders the
afternoon of the ill fated night. Concerned for Anne and Paul,
she came down to the arraignment on her own and
found a place to sit in the gallery next to
their lawyer. Soon Paul and Anne were brought in by
the authorities.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
When we went to temp arragnment, the place was crowded
with nuns and priests and like Roman calls and habits
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Anne's lawyer noticed and asked Anne if they were friends of.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Hers, and so I said, well, not personally no, but
I think you'd be here for the cause. And he
said tell them to move up, because the judge is
a daily.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Communicant, meaning, by some stroke of luck, the judge was
a super Catholic that went to Mass every single morning.
Paul decided this was his opening to raise hell about
the beating he took in the police fan.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I brought it up at the hearing.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, the FED who had beat him up was sitting
in the gallery.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
He came to testify it, but he was there with
his same shoes on, wingtip shoes, and nobody in the
peace community in Philadelphia could believe it because he was
in charge of the disobedient squad and they had always
gotten along with him.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
As Paul blew the cover of this two faced goon
from Philly's law enforcement, the mood in the gallery became
rather tense. Cookie watching from the gallery was the only
person from the East Coast Conspiracy to Save Lives who
had come to the arraignment. At this point, one of
the movement lawyers turned to her and said, I.
Speaker 13 (50:36):
Think you should leave, And I said why, you know, really?
He goes yeah, because he said, there's all these manner
right here FBI agents. They're going to be very interested
in you. I think you should just quietly leave the
room and go away, go someplace else.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
She looked around and noticed the courtroom was full of
wing tips.
Speaker 13 (50:56):
So I get up to go out, and every eye
is on me. Every man in that room, white man
in a suit, wingtips. Their eyes are on me. As
I walk out and I get to the front of
the building, and I look to my right and there's
a whole line of agents. They're leaning against the wall
and they're watching me every step. So I think to myself,
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I can't go back to Susquehanna because they'll follow me.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Susquehanna was the street in Philly's Fishtown section where the
raiders had their safe house. That's where everyone was. That's
where she needed to go. But she didn't want to
lead the FBI right to the door, so she began hitchhiking,
criss crossing Philadelphia in the hopes of shaking off any
possible tail. Finally, she felt it was safe and headed
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back to Susquehanna.
Speaker 13 (51:42):
And I turn around to open the door to get
out of the car, and I'm right in front of
the house, and I see the front door of the
house open. I see FBI agents standing on the steps
of the house, and I realize that this is like
a crime scene.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
The FEDS had already found Susquehanna. Cookie was walking into
a trap.
Speaker 13 (52:02):
Get out of the car right in front of the house.
And then I pretend I don't know the house, and
I make a right turn and I walked down the street,
and I can tell this guy following me. And then
on that street corner was a little working class neighborhood
deli and I went in there and I didn't know
what to do. I was terrified, and I stood behind
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a coke machine, and then the agent came walking in,
took me by the hand, and I walked out with him.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
The agent walked Cookie back down Susquehanna and brought her
into the house. The FBI were turning the place upside down.
Most of the raiders were safely at a farm half
an hour away. Some were stuck behind John Peter Grady,
the mastermind of the whole raid, was pacing on the
phone with their lawyer. Cookie walked up to another raider
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who was sitting in the living room reading a book,
and noticed the book in his hands was upside down.
Everyone was shitting bricks. So she resigned herself to her fate,
and she sat at the dining room table.
Speaker 13 (53:04):
And I'm watching them go through the trash and it's
like last night's dinner's garbage, and they're pulling out vegetable skins,
and it's just disgusting, going through piece by piece looking
for evidence.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Luckily, overnight one of the raiders had removed from the
Susquehanna House all the files from the draft board raid
and put them in the getaway van. So theoretically the
Feds weren't going to find anything until.
Speaker 13 (53:32):
The plan was that once everybody got out of the
draft boards, there was a plan to take everybody to
a farm. That's where they would stay and they would
go through the files. So I'm sitting there and watching
this guy go through the trash and they're searching everywhere.
The geworsi are being pulled out, going through boxes, and
right in front of me, I tell you, it must
have been maybe two feet in front of me on
the table is a little slip of paper with the
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address of the farm. I'm looking at them going through
the trash, and I'm looking at the piece of paper
and I'm thinking, oh my god. So I reach over
and I get the little piece of paper. I put
it in my hand and I get up and I
go to the bathroom. As soon as I locked the door,
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one of the agents says, who let her go into
the bathroom? She can't be in there. Yeah, And they're
right now, bang it bang banga bed And I just
stayed in there tearing up the address to little tiny pieces,
putting it in a toilet, and I flushed the toilet,
and I left the room and went back outside. That
was the only contact for the farm, so they never
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got there. And if had they gotten there, there was
two actions that night. All the other people from the
other action were there with their files.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Soon the police wagons arrived. They led everyone out in
handcuffs except for Cookie, so.
Speaker 13 (54:54):
They didn't arrest me, which almost was more punishment because
there I was nineteen years old. The FBI just arrested
my good friends. I mean FBI, I mean I was
nuns were just kind of something, but FBI agents were
a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Cookie had no idea what to do.
Speaker 13 (55:11):
I walked to the subway, I got in the subway,
I went home to my mother, and I am just
frozen in terror.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
The East Coast conspiracy raiders were doing everything they could
to sabotage the human costs of an immoral war, and
it was clear now to Cookie that that sabotage would
have a cost of its own.
Speaker 13 (55:31):
But then now I get a phone call at about
six or seven at night.
Speaker 10 (55:37):
It's John Grady.
Speaker 13 (55:38):
Hey, Cookie, come on, gone down to Ralphs.
Speaker 10 (55:41):
We're having dinner.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
What so?
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Ralphs is an.
Speaker 10 (55:46):
Italian restaurant in my neighborhood.
Speaker 13 (55:49):
I quickly got I don't know how I got there,
but I got myself to the restaurant. I walk in
and they're all there, everybody. They had been released from
wherever they were taken, and they were having basically a part.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Nobody talks, everybody walks. Even Anne and Paul were sitting there.
The judge, the Daily Communicant, had thrown out their case and.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
He said, there is no evidence of miss Walsh breaking
an enter. She was in a public restroom in a
public building, and there are no connections between that and
across the hall. I got off Scott free, and Paul
the saying.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Anne, Paul, Cookie and all the rest were free to
raid another day and to push their luck yet further.
Philadelphia had made it feel like, perhaps, for a moment,
they might be winning and they could start taking some
bigger risks. Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
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It's produced by Wonder Media Network and it was created
and written by Me Your Host Brendan Patrick Hughes. Exception
only talented producers are Carmen Borca Correo, Abby Delk, Paloma Moreno, Jimenez,
Grace Lynch, and myself. Our editor is the relentlessly capable
Grace Lynch. Scoring production from Hannah Bottom for Wonder Media Network.
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Our executive producers are Emily Rudder and Jenny Kaplan for
iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producer is Christina Everett. Special thanks
to Tim Perry from one of my favorite bands, Ages
and Ages, who allowed us to use their incredible song
Divisionary Do the Right Thing to represent what liturgies in
the Poula Center might have sounded like. Our theme and
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end credit music was composed and performed by the Effervescentania
Donnelly and mastered by Ben Aerns, who is not without
his own shimmer. The Late Sarah Toosi was voiced by
Carly Pope, an actor and Canadian National Treasure. Father X
was voiced by Adam O'Byrne, who is also from Canada.
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This is Brendan Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to
Divine Intervention.
Sometimes in life you make an impulsive decision for all
the right reasons justice, dignity, reckless, abandon etc. That immediately
plunges you into the deep end in way over your head.
And when that happens, you tend to examine your life choices.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
There I was inside the closet.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We last left Anne Walsh, trapped to two in the
morning in a roasting utility closet after the raid on
a Philadelphia draft board had gone horrendously wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Before I knew it, I heard those barking dogs with
a canine squad.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anne wasn't even supposed to be part of this raid,
but she had filled in at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Policeman came was with a drawing gun.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Everyone else had known the escape plan. If they got caught,
they scurried down a certain staircase into the Philadelphia night.
Now she was all alone in the dark in a
city she didn't know. It must have felt like the
ass not Michael Collins floating around the dark side of
the moon, no contact with humanity, while Neil Armstrong traps
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across the lunar surface. Anne Walsh was a woman desperately
in need of a lifeline.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was taken down to the ground floor, my hands
behind my back, handcuffed to a chair.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
But it was these dogs, like you know, circling me.
So I'm praying, like to Saint Francis of a sissy,
Oh please love you don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now Anne would be arrested, her one fear of disgracing
her war hero father realized.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And one policeman said, frankly, I'd like to piss all
over you.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Police forces are kind of like hockey teams. You got
your finesse players, and you got your goons tonight and
got all the goons.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And that was like so horrified to me that someone
would speak to me in that way.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
She's been just over a year away from the convent,
and now she'd likely face years in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I thought I was done for. I thought I
was done for.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Remember four draft boards now had been discovered ravaged, and
I was the only suspect.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
She was about to have the legal weight of this
entire action and the broader actions of the whole movement
rained down on her.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I thought I would never see the light of day
because of all these crimes that had been committed and
me caught red handed.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Ann was in way over her head, but then Paul
Cooming rushed onto the scene.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I was the only carle that went.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Actually, this is like a snowy winter night and this
is the heart of the man of Paul coombing from
Dorchester from Saint Leo's. He was maybe nineteen or twenty
at the time, but he looked twelve. He planted himself
outside to be found.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I just sat there by the exit door so I
would not be alone.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
In her darkest hour. Paul staged himself to be arrested
along with Anne Walsh.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
They police came up and asked me what I was
doing there, and I said I was waiting for somebody
to come out of the train terminal. Then they took
me out of the car and put me in handcuffs
and put me in a Patti wagon.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
They stuck Paul in the back of a police fan
and then one of the Feds climbed in with him.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
He came in and started asking me questions and started
slapping me around on the face and telling me to
answer his questions and tell me who else was involved
and all this, and I just kept saying, please don't
hit me, Please don't hit me. That's all I had
ever answered, but I had my head been down like
this to try to protect myself a little bit, and.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Slapping like an Paul was an idealist, and like many idealists,
he was finding out, to the tune of the Little
Chin music, what happens when he took a stand for
justice in an unjust world.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I've memorized the whole patent on his shoes. He had
wingtips shoes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
On wingtips, you'll remember where the trademark dress code of
FBI agents, as insisted upon by Jay Edgar Hoover.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So I ended up in the cell and I see
Anne Walls being brought in right next to her the
cell I was going to be put in. He was
just so thrilled to see that I was there, that
somebody else was with her, and he was totally absolutely aloft.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Paul was taking a massive risk. He had already by
this point, as you may remember from episode one, mailed
his draft card back to the government, and now he
had just put his head in the lion's mouth. I'm
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Brendan Patrick Hughes, and this is Divine Intervention, Chapter five.
The red double doors on Park Street. While outside agitators
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Anne and Paul were awaiting arraignment in the Philadelphia Slammer. Inside, incrementalists,
Patrick and Floyd were starting to build a bona fide movement.
Young people from all over town were flocking to their
subterranean headquarters to serve restaurant meals to the poor, to
study books on liberation theology, and to raucously celebrate their
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wild Sunday liturgies. The basement walls were festooned with colorful
felt banners covered in birds and hearts and forceful phrases
on love. From the confines of their basement purgatory, Patrick
and Floyd felt they were finally fulfilling John the twenty
Third's promise of Vatican two and dragging the most powerful
religious organization in the world into the twentieth century. They
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wanted desperately to change this old institution into an example
of what a world changing twentieth century Catholic Church could be.
But the problem was the priests upstairs were having none
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Everything was an argument. This is Floyd, it becomes wearing,
it wears on you, let war on me. Over time, he.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And Patrick quickly discovered how uncomfortable change truly is.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
You know, when you go into the common room where
people would go perhaps just shortly before supper, maybe you
have a cocktail, and maybe stop afterwards to watch the
news or something like that, or chat a little bit. Yeah,
I would say that if one or both of us
came in there, it sort of emptied out.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But here's the thing. They were incredibly popular. Hundreds of
young people were stuffing themselves into their basement on Sundays,
and it was becoming increasingly clear that things were headed
for a showdown. The boys had clearly outgrown their basement,
but with the Cardigan Brigade upstairs blocking their every move,
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they had absolutely no idea what to do. But then
crazy thing, one of those old fellas started wandering downstairs
to hang out with them. He saw what those crazy
kids were up to, and he liked it. I won't
tell you his name because his name was Bob, and
there are about nineteen other people in this show also
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named Bob because Catholics. So this unnamed man from upstairs
at the Poula Center asked if he could defect from
the upstairs meanis and join in on their basement shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (07:22):
And that was the foothold Jim Carroll that Floyd.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
And Patrick were able to stand on as they quickly
began to change the way things were done into Paula Center.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Patrick and Floyd had made their first alliance, their first
bona fide work friend, a single casino chip on which
to build an empire. As noted in Father X's Mysterious.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Notebook, concept of the teen Ministry emerges out of the
needs of the community.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So they named themselves the Team, and together the three
of them came up with a plan to take over
the chapel upstairs. They started off, according to Father X,
by attempting to go through the proper.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Channels a petition with seven hundred signatures from barishioners to
be allowed to use the chapel.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
As ignored, we tried to appeal within the house first
and couldn't get it.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Pre steupstairs were not about to let these young turks
have the keys to the company Cadillac, so their only
recourse was to start punching below the belt.
Speaker 8 (08:23):
Patrick and Floyd refused to take collections at the four
pm and six pm liturgies, the loss of four hundred
and fifty dollars a week for the center.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
The Paula Center was in serious debt and Patrick and
Floyd knew it. When they stopped taking collections at their
controversial basement liturgies, the place started losing in today money
thousands of dollars a week. But despite Patrick and Floyd
turning off this money faucet, the brass still wouldn't budge.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
The crisis point. March eighth, nineteen seventy, the team decided
that on the following Sunday they will take over chapel
by imminent domain.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So the boys prepared the community to march up stairs
and occupy the chapel.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
We're told that if we did, they were going to
call it the lade The resident priests.
Speaker 8 (09:06):
Why are the New York hierarchy saying that if the
team is allowed upstairs? They were refused to say any
further mess.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now the whole place is in an uproar.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
So then we had to appeal to Scarsdale.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Scarsdale is where the Policies have their national headquarters, where
the Superior General has his office.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Paulists throughout the country are in a state of turmoils
in regards to the goings on at Park Street.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Now, polists all over the country were gnashing their teeth.
So the heads of the National Order came to Boston
to sort things out.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
The council meets with the whole Policy Center.
Speaker 9 (09:39):
I can still kind of picture him in that room.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's Christine Truffant. She was there. She was a local
college kid who had discovered Patrick and Floyd's basement liturgies
and volunteered in many of their programs.
Speaker 9 (09:51):
He talked to us in the basement of the church,
and it was a very crowded meeting.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
As I remember, I.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Was horrified and so surprised to realize he was really
wet his finger and telling us we better get in line.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I just think it was a matter of control.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Never before had the policed hierarchy had to reprimand its
parishioners for their enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
The hierarchy was so scared.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What were they afraid of?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
After a presidential tongue lashing for the youngs downstairs, it
was time for a showdown with the Cardigan brigade upstairs.
That meeting was intense.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
All anger and hostility is out in the open for
the first time. The regulars want the team kicked out.
The house is now in two armed.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Camps, sitting in this deeply uncomfortable face to face confrontation
with the men upstairs. Patrick and Floyd said fuck it
and gave the Order president the hard sell.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
They wanted. First control of the whole apostolic operation, second
financial autonomy, third, two more members for the team, and
fourth reassignment of residence priests to other centers.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
A stunned silence at their unmitigated gall filled the room.
But here's the thing the President of the Order could
not deny. Patrick and Floyd were the ones that had
the box office to make the center financially solvent. He
had no choice but to grant the chapel to the team.
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Their gamble worked. Patrick and Floyd, the young turks, the
fucking new guys who had only arrived the year prior,
suddenly found themselves in charge of the entire goddamn Paulas Center.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
May of nineteen seventy and Tobin joined the team. That
is a revolutionary act.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Tobin was appointed to be a female lay minister, which
sent shockwaves.
Speaker 9 (11:49):
This is really advanced stuff for the time, and I
know now it probably doesn't seem like a big deal,
but to introduce a woman into the mex It's great.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Patrick and Floyd had huge plans. Patrick and Floyd were
coming down the mountain. Patrick and Floyd were going to
drag this dusty institution into the twentieth century, whether it
liked it or not. But that, you guys, that is
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the exact moment Marianne walked through the front doors and
into our story.
Speaker 10 (12:31):
He had on a blue button down shirt and a
pair of jeans and loafers and his incredible, fantastic smile,
and he walked in and gave me the hugest grin,
a huge Patrick grin, and.
Speaker 11 (12:48):
It was this incredible moment of absolutely love at first sight,
just was boom and then gone, you know, and then of.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
Course, I mean, my god, he's a priest.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
You've heard from Marianne a lot already, but this is
where she first enters our story, walking through the Paula
Center's iconic pair of red double doors, meeting Patrick and
falling in love on the spot with a Roman Catholic priest.
But if you knew anything about Marianne's life up until
this point, you would know this was basically the exact
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opposite of what was likely to happen in this scenario.
Marianne had been to Hell and back and didn't have
room in her life for some infatuation with an unavailable man.
Marianne grew up in Milton, which is next to Dorchester.
Her mother died of stomach cancer when she was ten
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years old.
Speaker 12 (13:45):
My father comes in one morning, it was about five
o'clock or something, and wakes me up to say, mummy's
very sick, but did you have to get up? And
I'm sitting there, and father Carlin opens the front door, like.
Speaker 13 (14:05):
With this huge swish.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
The door just slams open, and he takes.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
The stairs two at a time or three at a time,
and races upstairs.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
A Catholic priest was the harbinger of her mother's death.
Speaker 12 (14:21):
Like I was in absolute denial about what was going
on until I saw him do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
After that, Marianne entered a period of deep loneliness. Her father,
a traveling salesman, then hastily married his manicurist, who was
vindictive and strange and permanently inebriated. This made Marianne a
bit of a Cinderella, and when she graduated high school,
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she was determined to escape the cruelty of her neglectful
father and wicked stepmother and get the living hell out
of Milton, Massachusetts, and lucky for her. The US go
government was in the middle of a program it called
the War on Poverty.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
JFK founded the Peace Corps and Vista. He created these vehicles,
and then he called this whole generation forward to serve
that how you could be fully human and fully alive
is by serving.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Vista was to the domestic United States what the Peace
Corps was to struggling nations around the world. So Vista
volunteers were deployed to help alleviate poverty and small struggling
communities throughout the US.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
I'd gone into Vista mainly because I had to get
out of town. I was like a goody two shoes.
I mean, I could have gone in the convent or
joined Vista, but I liked to party too much for
the convent, so better to go to Vista.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Marianne was stationed just about as far from Milton as
she could be in Laredo, Texas.
Speaker 10 (15:50):
Oh my god, I learned so much being with other
young people, and we were all being educated about the
world and how it worked and our role in it,
our potential around impacting it and really making a difference.
And we believed that we could and we saw that
we did. I met Caesar Chavez. I stood on a bridge.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
With him, and she experienced a fairly massive political awakening.
Speaker 10 (16:13):
I was just so influenced by those times, and it
grounded me. It sort of took me. That experience took
me and just planted my feet firmly in a foundation
that I've never veered from in terms of my work,
the work I want to do in the world.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Marianne stayed in Laredo for two years, organizing, fighting for
justice and learning what kind of difference you could make
in the world. But when her tour was over, she
faced the terrifying specter of returning to Boston, the loneliness
of her life there, and the cruelty of her stepmother.
So she looked around and hooked up with the only
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other twenty something in Laredo, Texas, a local kid named
Mike Woodward.
Speaker 10 (16:56):
Mike I think had enormous potential, handsome. He lived on
the border, which is a culture that makes your head spin.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
And quite confoundingly, like so many people of Marianne's generation,
despite being twenty zero, they immediately planned to get married.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
Why in the name of God we thought we should
get married. We didn't know each other. The chemistry was
so overwhelming that we thought let's just do it. It
wasn't like I knew him. Well, we couldn't have sex.
Otherwise you married the first person you had sex with.
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It's so prehistoric. Yeah, And the first person I had
sex with was Mike Woodward. Therefore I married him.
Speaker 14 (17:45):
It all makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
He knew just the place for a shotgun wedding. So
Mary Ann, Mike and their Vista pals caravans deep into Mexico.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
How we get to this place in Mexico is by
following the electric wires. Are no roads. It took us
till midnight to get to the place. We knock on
the Justice of the Piece's door and she comes down
in her nightgown. We're in a garage and she marries
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us in Spanish, which of course I didn't understand, but
I did say see.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Marianne and Mike then tried to settle down. They got
a little place, and Mike got a job.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
Mike had been raised in a really macho culture, and
I have a vivid memory we had been demonstrating for
higher wages for restaurant workers, and we'd been demonstrating in
front of this restaurant and hadn't told him I was going,
so I was on TV footage that night. Mike came
home like enraged and actually pushed me that night, and
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I was pregnant with Chrissy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The mic she had dated was not showing up in
her marriage. Mary Anne started to get a sinking feeling
that perhaps she was in way over her head. The
loneliness that had chased her since her mother's death caught
back up to her.
Speaker 10 (19:07):
That was the patriarchal culture. You know that you had
a right to tell your quote unquote wife what she
could do.
Speaker 15 (19:14):
I asked my mom, like, why didn't you guys decide
to have kids so young?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Crazy Marianne's daughter Chrissy, and she said.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
I think because I was so lonely. Chrissy was born
in August, and then Jojo was born a year and
a half later.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Mike Woodward was one part dreamer and two parts banned
it with a twist of instability. He moved them around
every few months in search of a purpose.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
He was just a.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Lost soul and was desperately trying to find himself or
his place in the world or anything, any kind of
meaning or purpose or whatever. And it wasn't being a
young husband with a wife and children building a little
life together.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
By the time Joe Joe was born, Mike was spending
weeks at a time away from the family.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
I don't even know if maybe he'd been maybe doing
some drugs at that point, but when he came back,
he was just convinced that we all needed to go
like a bunch of homesteaders to Taos, New Mexico.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
The last place we lived with him was in a
thing called that Kiva and Taos.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Akiva is an ancient Pueblo meeting space dug into the
ground with earthen walls and floors. Mike had found an
abandoned one, and, being a committed hippie, decided to start
over with Marianne and the kids as homesteaders.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
It's not really a place that you could have two
infants because it was so traumatic and shocking to be
living in a mud hut.
Speaker 16 (20:44):
Like.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
She couldn't put us down having two babies. She could
put Joe down on the ground. You had to get
wood to boil water that kind of stove. Awful, awful, awful.
The next crisis is Jojo got sick.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Jojo suffered from horrible asthma and had quickly developed pneumonia.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I'm walking down the highway with these two kids from
the hospital, carrying Joe on my backpack and Chrissy in
the carriage. I was so clear I'm done.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Then two nights before Christmas.
Speaker 10 (21:25):
So Christmas came. You can imagine how pleasant that was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Mike showed up all hepped up on goofballs.
Speaker 10 (21:32):
Christy was in a crib and Jojo was in another crib.
I was asleep. He came in in the middle of
the night and I think was on drugs. Joe woke
up and was crying. I went to pick up Jokes.
I know, I had Joe in my arms. Then Chrisy
woke up and just screamed at the top of her lungs.
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He goes over to Chrissy's crib, and I felt like
Mike was going almost like after her, and I grabbed
his arm to not allow that, and I had Joe
in my arms, and he started to hit me.
Speaker 15 (22:19):
I remember being under them or between them, and Mike
like hitting my mom.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
So I'm sort of holding Jojo. I'm bent over to
protect him, and he's hitting me from the back, and.
Speaker 15 (22:41):
She was crouching over Joe. I had Joe in her
arms and I was beneath them somehow, and he took off.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
After Mike left, Marianne was alone with two children who
needed something better than this. The next day, there was
a knock at the door.
Speaker 10 (23:09):
And it's four of Mike's friends from Austin. I was like,
what are you doing here? They found us because they
had some sort of intuition something was wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
What gave them the intuition, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
They didn't know. They were just really worried and thought
something might be really wrong.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Austin to Taos is a twelve hour drive. These old
friends had all felt their Spidey sense tingling, and driven
all night on Christmas Eve, I.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
Looked at those guys and, honest to God, it was
like it was like the Three Kings arrived with their
incense and Mrror and you know whatever. Really it was Christmas. Honestly,
it was a Christmas miracle. I couldn't believe it. They said,
we were just really worried about you, and I said,
the minute they said I have to get out of here,
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that was it, Brendan, it was divine intervention.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Marianne grabbed a bag of diapers and threw a few
shirts in a backpack. She loaded the kids into the
car and left her husband.
Speaker 10 (24:16):
We fled in the middle of the night. It took
everything for me to get to where it was I
needed to be to be able to leave, but I
didn't have anywhere to go.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Her friends brought her back to Austin, where she and
the kids crashed on their couch for a few weeks,
listening to Buffalo Springfield's Yellow album and wondering what the
hell she was going to do. Mike found out, of course,
and followed her to Austin, where she told him their
marriage was over.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
First he's pleading with me to come back together again.
Then he's threatening me. He's going to take the kids.
He's taking out all the stops. He was basically saying,
I was really wrong and I really want a do over,
and I couldn't do I just couldn't do it. Couldn't
do it. No, the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He came back to the apartment repeatedly, and eventually she
wouldn't even open the screen door for him.
Speaker 10 (25:12):
There was a night he came to the apartment again,
pleading again, and I was again saying I can't do
it and he ran out of the apartment. Just desperate.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Mike was running down Guadalupe Street along the UT Austin campus,
known to locals as the Drag. He felt his life
falling apart, and he ran up to the first person
he saw.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
He literally ran up to a man in a trench coat, saying,
I need help. He had no idea who the guy was,
he just looked official.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Mike had randomly run up to a Paulish priest named
Jack Campbell who worked at UT Austin.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
So Jack brought him in to the rectory and learned
about the whole story, and he could see the trouble
Mike was in mentally.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So Jack agreed to go talk to Mary.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
And there's Jack Campbell again in a trench coat. He
looks completely official, and he said, are you Marianne Woodward?
And I said yes, And he said, my name's Jack Campbell.
I'm a priest and I have Mike down at the rectory.
Can I come in? And I said sure.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Turns out father Jack was from Boston, just like Marianne.
It only took one conversation for him to see that
Marianne did not belong in a marriage with Mike. And
she needed to leave Texas. So over the next few weeks,
Jack worked with Mike and mary Anne. They reached an
agreement that Mike would seek medical treatment and mari Anne
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could return home to Boston. Then, in January of nineteen seventy,
Jack drove mary Anne and the two kids to the airport,
and while they stood there at the gate, Jack gave
Marianne something he'd brought for her.
Speaker 10 (26:54):
He had written on his ordination card, which was I remember,
I say, I might must still have the Ordination card.
I'm sure I do. I'm sure I do. In a box.
The ordination card was a quote from Tayar de Chardanne
on the front.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Tahar de Chardin was a Catholic mystic and let me
tell you, and I say, this is basically an atheist.
His writing is the shit.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
He handed me the card and he said, as he's
handing me the card, I want you to look up
this guy. He's my best friend in the world. You're
really gonna love him. He's terrific. His name's on the
back of the card.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Father Jack had given mary Anne Patrick's number at the
Paula Center.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
And then he said, and don't ever be afraid to
fall in love again, And that was the last thing
he said to me before I got on the plane.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Mary Anne, at twenty three, flew home to Boston with
her two tiny children. Jojo was nine months Chrissy was two,
and she moved into an apartment on flo Florida Street
in Dorchester.
Speaker 15 (28:02):
I was convinced that there was quicksand on Florida Street
because Florida.
Speaker 10 (28:10):
I had two kids and not a nickel, nothing, and
it was obvious I would have to go on welfare.
I had no other option at that point.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
She met a caseworker, barely got her expenses covered, and
settled into her new life in Dorchester. While she was unpacking,
she came across the card father Jack had given her
in Texas.
Speaker 10 (28:31):
I decided I would call Jack's friend Patrick. I don't
know why exactly, but I decided I would call.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
But when she reached for the phone, something strange happened.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
When I sat down, I will never forget it. I
put my hand on the receiver and I thought, this
is one of the most important phone calls I'll ever
make in my life. And then I proceeded to dial the.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Number, brushing off that strange premonition. She diediled seven digits,
and she and Patrick had a brief chat where he
invited her to come down to the Paula Center sometime, and.
Speaker 10 (29:06):
I hung up. And I also then remember thinking I'm
not going to go to the Pall Center. I mean,
you know, I made the call because in some ways
I felt almost obligated to Jack to make the call,
and because I just made the call. But it wasn't
as if I wanted to talk to a priest for
sure about I don't know what God has put together,
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Let no man put us under.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Say that box checked. With a new chapter of life
to begin, she forgot all about the Paula Center and
began to meet other tenants in the building.
Speaker 10 (29:39):
We all had kids about the same age, and everybody
used to babysit for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
She was determined to continue the political work she started
in Vista.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
So I started doing welfare rights and we did some
prison stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
But then something horrifying happened on a campus in Ohio
that would indirectly change the entire course of her life.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
The first week of May of nineteen seventy was the
invasion of Cambodia, and it was the murders at Kent State.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
You earlier asked what was the pivotal moment, Jim Carroll,
when young people began to understand that they were standing
against something broad in the culture. And I've always thought
that the pivotal moment was Kent State.
Speaker 17 (30:25):
Mixon, violating the promise he had made not to extend
the Vietnam War, extended it by bombing Cambodia.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Howard Zinn At Kent.
Speaker 17 (30:36):
State University, huge number of students got it on the
campus lawn. The governor called out the National Guard.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
And the National Guard shot and killed four students.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
By then, it was well known that the government was
capable of waging any immoral war ten thousand miles away.
But at Kent stated began to feel like the government
would turn its guns against young people.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
It was and there were so many moments during that
time that were so chilling and so devastating about what
was what, my god, what is going on in this world?
How can this be happening?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Despite the horrifying fact that the government was now deliberately
killing protesters, Marianne felt she had a duty to voice
her dissent.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
I had heard or read in the Globe that there
was going to be a demonstration on the Boston Common,
and so I packed up the kids, Joe on the
backpack and Christian a carriage, and we walked to Ashmun
station and go to Park Street and go to the demonstration.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
She and the kids marched and sang with protesters all afternoon,
and when the demonstration was over, they were walking down
Park Street back to the T station when she saw
two sets of red double doors across the street.
Speaker 18 (31:59):
So I I said, oh my god, there's the pausitor.
I should go say hello to Jack's friend. I should
go over and say hello to Patrick. And I walk
into the building. Just walking into the building, there was.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
A reception area and you could feel the aliveness of
the place the minute you walked into it. And Pat Downing,
who later became a good friend of mine, was sitting
at the reception area, and she yells into the intercom system, Patrick,
someone's here to see you. I waited a few minutes
and I'm just sort of standing around with the two kids,
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and Patrick walked in. And I was anticipating that a
priest would.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Walk in, but Patrick, always in a city's was not
at all what one picture is when one thinks of
a Catholic priest.
Speaker 11 (32:48):
And it was this incredible moment of absolutely love at
first sight.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
They each quickly tried to brush off what happen and
when they locked eyes and said a friendly hello. He
had moved his office upstairs from the basement, and he
took Marianne and the kids into one of the conference
rooms where a bunch of volunteers were working on big projects.
Speaker 10 (33:12):
And it was like a war room. It was like
a campaign office. And in the campaign office, everybody they
were on phones and mimiograph machines and doing press releases.
And everybody looks up and Patrick says, hey, how's everybody doing.
I just want to introduce you to someone. You know.
I don't think I ever told you guys that I
was married with two kids.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right as a joke, paging doctor Freud.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
He was so charismatic and magnetic and fun, just fun, light,
lighthearted and fun, but really deep at the same time.
That's why he was so acharged, That's why he was
so magnetic. He didn't take himself seriously. He wasn't egocentric
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and dopey, you know. So he knew who.
Speaker 16 (34:00):
He was and he knew what his life was committed
to love and joy and mission and passion and being
fully alive in service.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
They went up to his new office and she told
him all about her ordeal with Mike. In Texas. Patrick
had just taken over the chapel for his liturgy extravaganzas,
and the first one would be this Sunday.
Speaker 10 (34:24):
And he said, why don't you come in to Mass
on Sunday night? Why don't you come into the liturgy.
I think you'd really enjoy it. And again I'm thinking
to myself, really, I was still stuck with this idea
of more of the old church. I had not been
introduced to the new Church.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like most adults who grew up Catholic, Mary Anne had
long since lapsed and felt perfectly fine being church free,
thank you very much. Yet the following Sunday night, she
found herself putting Christy and Jojo down to sleep, getting
her neighbor to watch them, and slipping down to the
Red Line. She got off the train at Park Street
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and walked up the hill towards the illuminated gold dome
of the State House, approaching the Poula Center's iconic pair
of red double doors.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
So I get to the Paula Center and it is
rocking the house. I couldn't believe it. It was so
crowded that I had to go upstairs to the balcony
because there were no seats left. People were hanging from
the brekofters. And I went upstairs. I remember had on
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a red dress. I remember that, I actually remember the
red dress. And I went upstairs and I stood by
the banister.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Mary Anne wound up front row center in the standing
room only balcony, staring right down at the altar.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
The music, music really stirs to soul, really.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
In the body back.
Speaker 19 (35:49):
And they had a group of people that were playing
guitars and.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Singing, Christine Trufont and Antobin, enthusiastic members of the Paula
Center Gang.
Speaker 10 (35:57):
You couldn't help it. Again, the music was very temporary.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Music was so lively, and then.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
It began, do the right thing, do the.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Do it all the time, do it all the time,
make yourself right.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Never mind, don't you know you're not the only one suffering.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It was such a joyful place.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
There was something greater going on there in the sense
that it was more equal. The priest wasn't held any
higher than the people, and it was a new concept.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Do the right thing, do the right thing, do it
all the time, do it all the time. Make yourself right.
Never mind, don't you do you that the only.
Speaker 19 (36:47):
Suffer I'll see you up looking and wandering so diligent,
crossing the teasers over.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
One ANLEI is this is what they.
Speaker 18 (36:58):
Really let They could mean a rock, then we could
be the pay minsense.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
There's a point in the mass when you're doing the
consecration you actually hold up the chalice and the host.
And Patrick said there was a moment when he held
it up and he saw that I was up in
the balcony, and he said, oh great, she came.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
We'll make it all right.
Speaker 10 (37:23):
It'll call around, I'll mention it.
Speaker 13 (37:25):
They say it's nothing, but that in reality they ca
it someone make it, someone take it day.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Marianne was thunderstruck by her experience that night and decided
she was all in.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
Because I knew I wanted to be a part of this.
I just wasn't sure how you did it, so I
was just going to keep.
Speaker 20 (37:56):
Showing up, doing time.
Speaker 8 (38:04):
Naked in.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Her only problem was a growing crush on a Catholic priest.
Patrick was in the throes of having just taken over
the entire police center. He didn't need this crush either.
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He and Floyd were pulling in massive donations at their
weekly extravaganzas. But they had started so many programs in
their basement and had so many huge ideas for the
place that they had ballooned the budget.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
But that required some money. Floyd, well, there's no money.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Patrick and Floyd had harnessed the energies of the young
and built a bonafide army of do gooding hell raisers.
So they took this opportunity to make a statement. And
that's when Patrick put together a plan that literally, and
I mean this changed the world.
Speaker 10 (39:08):
The following Sunday was the first Walk for Hunger.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It was at this moment that Patrick started the Walk
for Hunger. This was the project all those people in
Patrick's office were working on when Marianne walked in.
Speaker 14 (39:21):
The thing about it was it was a very ingenious idea.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
This is Bob Cannaane from the Milwaukee fourteen.
Speaker 14 (39:27):
Where Patrick genius saw at first in a sense was
that people like to do things in order to raise
money for good causes, like rather than just going door
to door or asking somebody to donate over TV or
something like that, there was an action.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Perform Stuck for money, but surrounded by youthful energy. Patrick
started the first pledge walk in the United.
Speaker 14 (39:54):
States, where the people raising the money feel good about it,
and the people giving the money feel good about it
because you walk twenty mile, that's great, y'all. I'll give
you so much a mile, and things like that. So
it was participation that was really.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Key, and his simple idea quickly went viral. These days,
there are hundreds of walks and runs and marches for
charity throughout the United States, and from Boston, you know
all about the Walk for Hunger. This year will be
the fifty fifth walk. It's a long standing testament to
the better angels of Bostonians and one of our most
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important rites of spring. But here's the thing to know
about Patrick that mary Anne was now learning. Sure, he
was a pied piper who could muster the enthusiasm of
thousands of people, but he was also perpetually in over
his head, so a central component of all of his
crazy schemes was always a certain merry confusion. In her
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first week, Marianne saw no end of people scarring around,
putting out fires and laughing the entire time Patrick had
asked one volunteer to plan the route, but Boston is
a spaghetti bowl of one way streets.
Speaker 19 (41:08):
It seemed like way more than twenty miles. Tobin to me,
it felt like this must be one hundred and miles,
And in fact, somebody did go out and measure it
afterwards and it was more like thirty.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
But even in the midst of what anyone else would
call a hellish logistical nightmare, Patrick infused the entire Paula
Center community with a certain irrepressibility, even in inclement weather.
Speaker 10 (41:34):
And it poured rain. It poured rain. I can't even
tell you. It never stopped raining from early morning till
late night. It just poured all day long.
Speaker 19 (41:45):
It was like a northeaster and it was awful, awful,
but we did it and we laughed.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
It was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
This is brutal.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
And this was a Sunday, which means that night Patrick
had a mask to celebrate again.
Speaker 10 (42:02):
I got the kids to bed, I leaned babysat, and
I got in there by the eight o'clock mass. They
were just straggling in. They were just straggling in still
at eight o'clock at night, because they had walked twenty
five miles and it had been pouring rain that had
to stop. And Patrick came in drenched, drenched, drenched with
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slickers and unbelievable it was. But it was such a
feat And I don't know how many people walked at
that first I think maybe a couple thousand people.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
As he began the liturgy that night, he saw that
Marianne returned and their eyes met.
Speaker 10 (42:42):
And as I got to know more of what was
happening at the center in terms of activism, and as
I got to know the people more, it was I
just felt like I had died and gone to heaven.
I couldn't believe that this community was there for the
taking to be part of.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
After the leturgy, Patrick invited Marianne to join the gang
out for dinner.
Speaker 10 (43:09):
Patrick came over and introduced me to some people and
all that, and said, folks are going down to the
New Deal for pizza, so would you like to join us?
That's all I was like, okay, So I asked somebody
where the New Deal was, but I didn't really know anybody.
So I sort of walked down to the New Deal
by myself. The whole gang kind of arrived and I
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was sitting beside me and Tobin, who I think I
had just met. Patrick came in and he sat down
over here and he started chatting, and we were all
talking and everybody's all hanging around and Ann Tobin told
me later that she thought to herself, if he ever
leaves the priesthood, this is who he'll leave it for.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
After pizza and beer at the New Deal, Patrick didn't
want this new person to get away, so he offered
Marianne a ride home Sunday nights.
Speaker 10 (43:59):
This habit started that Patrick would offer to drive me
home because I lived in Dorchester and I would be
walking from the train station by myself. He'd say, how
are you getting home? And I would say I'm taking
the subway and he'd say, no, no, I'll give you a ride.
So sort of like that, and that started probably the
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very first night.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Despite their romantic tension, they quickly became very close friends.
Marianne found more reasons to get involved in the Paula Center.
She brought her kids, she sat on committees, and Patrick
would drive her home. And as a Bostonian, I can
tell you that trip is a schlep. But as their
chemistry grew, it might have started getting a little too
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close for Patrick's comfort, so he bought himself some insurance.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
So one Sunday night, Patrick said, I have an idea.
This is really good friend of mine. She's actually in
the singing group. She's in New Jersey right now taking
care of her father, but she's coming back to Boston.
She actually just quit school and she's looking for a
place to live. And I was wondering, if you want
to put her up till she can find a place
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and she could help you out with the rent, and
what do you think? And I said, oh, sure, because
again I don't know in those days, you were like, right, yeah,
what's the next thing? Of course you have no second
thoughts about it.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Sarah Toci would eventually stand next to mary Anne and
Paul in the Brighams, trying to smuggle Paul into the
Paula Center for his sanctuary.
Speaker 15 (45:30):
I remember them talking and laughing all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Chrissy again, mary Anne's daughter, who was just turning three
when Sarah moved in.
Speaker 15 (45:41):
And Sarah I remember as having like long wavy hair
and a beautiful singing voice, and she seemed sad to me,
like there's a melancholy about her.
Speaker 20 (45:56):
I am a loner. I always have been, and I'm
just the brink of giving it all away.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Sarah left behind a mountain of stenopads and journals. I
found them in the same box I found Father X's notebook.
Speaker 20 (46:11):
A loner, it's hard to accept, hard to deal with
a happy sad night. We're so happy, You're happy, so
happy you found a home.
Speaker 15 (46:21):
But also she was screaming, laughing all the time. She
felt like family.
Speaker 10 (46:25):
We just rolled.
Speaker 15 (46:26):
Along with my mom's accumulation of her family. So when
she pulled someone into the orbit, it just was It
just was like, Oh, this is Sarah. Sarah lives with us.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Reading her notes brings you right back to the emotional
intensity of your twenties, the thrill of a new friendship,
the daily epiphanies about your purpose in the world, the
possibility of outrunning your weaknesses.
Speaker 20 (46:51):
To believe in God is to get high on love
enough to look down on your loneliness and forget it forever.
Right mary Anne Big tears.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Late talk.
Speaker 10 (47:06):
We just we were the most incredible match.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
At long last. Mary Anne had found her people.
Speaker 10 (47:14):
Then we had each other to engage with and make
sense of the world. For everything I could get my
hands on to understand the world, to understand myself, to
understand my relationship with God, with the divine, just to
know and to understand.
Speaker 6 (47:30):
And so was she.
Speaker 10 (47:32):
I was hanging up one of her posters in the
living room bedroom slash and I turned around to her
and I said, do you think you're moving in? And
she said, I think I'm moving in? And that was that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And then the two of them became inseparable.
Speaker 10 (47:53):
With Patrick, I mean he would be driving the two
of us home on Sunday nights. From the center right,
Patrick and Sarah and I became something of a trio.
Speaker 20 (48:04):
Hey, Patrick, we hate to finish what we've just begun
with you. We still haven't let go of your hands,
have we? Are we committed to each other? Are we
three committed to each other?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
All that fall, Mary, Anne, Patrick, and Sarah became the
Three Musketeers. The loneliness that had chased her since her
mother died was finally draining away. She knew that this place,
packed with singing, laughing people, was a place that could
change everything from the inside. In Philadelphia, outside agitators, Anne
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and Paul were waiting in the bowels of a brutalist
courthouse to be arraigned for a draft board raid gone
horribly wrong. Also in attendance was a teenager they knew
named Cookie.
Speaker 10 (49:00):
So I go down there, I meet the lawyer.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Cookie Ridolfi had been on the support team of the
Philly raid and brought sandwiches to the hiding raiders the
afternoon of the ill fated night. Concerned for Anne and Paul,
she came down to the arraignment on her own and
found a place to sit in the gallery next to
their lawyer. Soon Paul and Anne were brought in by
the authorities.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
When we went to temp arragnment, the place was crowded
with nuns and priests and like Roman calls and habits
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Anne's lawyer noticed and asked Anne if they were friends of.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Hers, and so I said, well, not personally no, but
I think you'd be here for the cause. And he
said tell them to move up, because the judge is
a daily.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Communicant, meaning, by some stroke of luck, the judge was
a super Catholic that went to Mass every single morning.
Paul decided this was his opening to raise hell about
the beating he took in the police fan.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
I brought it up at the hearing.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, the FED who had beat him up was sitting
in the gallery.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
He came to testify it, but he was there with
his same shoes on, wingtip shoes, and nobody in the
peace community in Philadelphia could believe it because he was
in charge of the disobedient squad and they had always
gotten along with him.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
As Paul blew the cover of this two faced goon
from Philly's law enforcement, the mood in the gallery became
rather tense. Cookie watching from the gallery was the only
person from the East Coast Conspiracy to Save Lives who
had come to the arraignment. At this point, one of
the movement lawyers turned to her and said, I.
Speaker 13 (50:36):
Think you should leave, And I said why, you know, really?
He goes yeah, because he said, there's all these manner
right here FBI agents. They're going to be very interested
in you. I think you should just quietly leave the
room and go away, go someplace else.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
She looked around and noticed the courtroom was full of
wing tips.
Speaker 13 (50:56):
So I get up to go out, and every eye
is on me. Every man in that room, white man
in a suit, wingtips. Their eyes are on me. As
I walk out and I get to the front of
the building, and I look to my right and there's
a whole line of agents. They're leaning against the wall
and they're watching me every step. So I think to myself,
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I can't go back to Susquehanna because they'll follow me.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Susquehanna was the street in Philly's Fishtown section where the
raiders had their safe house. That's where everyone was. That's
where she needed to go. But she didn't want to
lead the FBI right to the door, so she began hitchhiking,
criss crossing Philadelphia in the hopes of shaking off any
possible tail. Finally, she felt it was safe and headed
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back to Susquehanna.
Speaker 13 (51:42):
And I turn around to open the door to get
out of the car, and I'm right in front of
the house, and I see the front door of the
house open. I see FBI agents standing on the steps
of the house, and I realize that this is like
a crime scene.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
The FEDS had already found Susquehanna. Cookie was walking into
a trap.
Speaker 13 (52:02):
Get out of the car right in front of the house.
And then I pretend I don't know the house, and
I make a right turn and I walked down the street,
and I can tell this guy following me. And then
on that street corner was a little working class neighborhood
deli and I went in there and I didn't know
what to do. I was terrified, and I stood behind
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a coke machine, and then the agent came walking in,
took me by the hand, and I walked out with him.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
The agent walked Cookie back down Susquehanna and brought her
into the house. The FBI were turning the place upside down.
Most of the raiders were safely at a farm half
an hour away. Some were stuck behind John Peter Grady,
the mastermind of the whole raid, was pacing on the
phone with their lawyer. Cookie walked up to another raider
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who was sitting in the living room reading a book,
and noticed the book in his hands was upside down.
Everyone was shitting bricks. So she resigned herself to her fate,
and she sat at the dining room table.
Speaker 13 (53:04):
And I'm watching them go through the trash and it's
like last night's dinner's garbage, and they're pulling out vegetable skins,
and it's just disgusting, going through piece by piece looking
for evidence.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Luckily, overnight one of the raiders had removed from the
Susquehanna House all the files from the draft board raid
and put them in the getaway van. So theoretically the
Feds weren't going to find anything until.
Speaker 13 (53:32):
The plan was that once everybody got out of the
draft boards, there was a plan to take everybody to
a farm. That's where they would stay and they would
go through the files. So I'm sitting there and watching
this guy go through the trash and they're searching everywhere.
The geworsi are being pulled out, going through boxes, and
right in front of me, I tell you, it must
have been maybe two feet in front of me on
the table is a little slip of paper with the
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address of the farm. I'm looking at them going through
the trash, and I'm looking at the piece of paper
and I'm thinking, oh my god. So I reach over
and I get the little piece of paper. I put
it in my hand and I get up and I
go to the bathroom. As soon as I locked the door,
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one of the agents says, who let her go into
the bathroom? She can't be in there. Yeah, And they're
right now, bang it bang banga bed And I just
stayed in there tearing up the address to little tiny pieces,
putting it in a toilet, and I flushed the toilet,
and I left the room and went back outside. That
was the only contact for the farm, so they never
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got there. And if had they gotten there, there was
two actions that night. All the other people from the
other action were there with their files.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Soon the police wagons arrived. They led everyone out in
handcuffs except for Cookie, so.
Speaker 13 (54:54):
They didn't arrest me, which almost was more punishment because
there I was nineteen years old. The FBI just arrested
my good friends. I mean FBI, I mean I was
nuns were just kind of something, but FBI agents were
a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Cookie had no idea what to do.
Speaker 13 (55:11):
I walked to the subway, I got in the subway,
I went home to my mother, and I am just
frozen in terror.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
The East Coast conspiracy raiders were doing everything they could
to sabotage the human costs of an immoral war, and
it was clear now to Cookie that that sabotage would
have a cost of its own.
Speaker 13 (55:31):
But then now I get a phone call at about
six or seven at night.
Speaker 10 (55:37):
It's John Grady.
Speaker 13 (55:38):
Hey, Cookie, come on, gone down to Ralphs.
Speaker 10 (55:41):
We're having dinner.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
What so?
Speaker 6 (55:45):
Ralphs is an.
Speaker 10 (55:46):
Italian restaurant in my neighborhood.
Speaker 13 (55:49):
I quickly got I don't know how I got there,
but I got myself to the restaurant. I walk in
and they're all there, everybody. They had been released from
wherever they were taken, and they were having basically a part.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Nobody talks, everybody walks. Even Anne and Paul were sitting there.
The judge, the Daily Communicant, had thrown out their case and.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
He said, there is no evidence of miss Walsh breaking
an enter. She was in a public restroom in a
public building, and there are no connections between that and
across the hall. I got off Scott free, and Paul
the saying.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Anne, Paul, Cookie and all the rest were free to
raid another day and to push their luck yet further.
Philadelphia had made it feel like, perhaps, for a moment,
they might be winning and they could start taking some
bigger risks. Divine Intervention is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
(56:52):
It's produced by Wonder Media Network and it was created
and written by Me Your Host Brendan Patrick Hughes. Exception
only talented producers are Carmen Borca Correo, Abby Delk, Paloma Moreno, Jimenez,
Grace Lynch, and myself. Our editor is the relentlessly capable
Grace Lynch. Scoring production from Hannah Bottom for Wonder Media Network.
(57:16):
Our executive producers are Emily Rudder and Jenny Kaplan for
iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producer is Christina Everett. Special thanks
to Tim Perry from one of my favorite bands, Ages
and Ages, who allowed us to use their incredible song
Divisionary Do the Right Thing to represent what liturgies in
the Poula Center might have sounded like. Our theme and
(57:37):
end credit music was composed and performed by the Effervescentania
Donnelly and mastered by Ben Aerns, who is not without
his own shimmer. The Late Sarah Toosi was voiced by
Carly Pope, an actor and Canadian National Treasure. Father X
was voiced by Adam O'Byrne, who is also from Canada.
(57:57):
This is Brendan Patrick Hughes. Thank you for listening to
Divine Intervention.
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