September 16, 2019 • 52 mins
Dr. Mitchell Roslin and Gregg Sussman tell you why it's long past time for the Giants to bench Eli Manning, discuss Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees' debilitating injuries and give you their thoughts on the Mets season overall.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is up? Everybody? Welcome inside Studio thirty four. This
is Doc John. He is Dr Mitchell Rosalind. I am
Greg Souceman. Doc was havingue a lot of medical stuff
and and it looks like of the fame quarterback class
that next week it'll only be Philip Rivers standing. Only
potentially only Philip Rivers standing, the last one standing in
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the NFL. WE two is almost in the books. Of course,
taving this on a Monday, even in Cleveland and New
York still to play from Netlife Stadium in just a
few hours. I'm gonna go out there. I went to
the Giant game yesterday. Gonna go see the Jets that tonight.
This is a game that I thought was gonna have
so much buzz and and it seemed like all of
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the buzz has gone out with Donald's mono nucleosis and
just a whole series is of calamities you know, that
have have besieged the Jets. Quent and Williams not playing,
and you know, I'm actually surprised, although it's a relatively
high line for a Cleveland team that got blown out
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in the first game of the season, that it's six
and a half. You know. I I thought it was
gonna move up when we saw that C. J. Moseley
wasn't gonna play and Quinton Williams isn't gonna play as well. Um,
but I guess you know, neither Cleveland was in. Cleveland
wasn't impressive in the first week of the season. No,
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Cleveland was not. Cleveland got upset and really got destroyed.
Mane Tennessee Titans. Letas start with Sam Donald. You're going
to the game tonight, back to back games. I MetLife
for you. Sam Donald at on wenty two years old,
went three wherever he is. Mono. Now, I know a
lot of athletes aren't exactly faithful here, and that's fine,
but I've never heard of these guys getting mono. But
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that that's not true. It happens across college campuses all
the time, and mono is a catch all diagnosis for
a series of viruses, and it's it's it's interesting. I've
listened to a lot of medical opinions that you know, uh, virtually,
you know somewhat right. But the bottom line is, viral
illnesses are very unpredictable, and this could be a year
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long injury or it could be three to four weeks.
It's just it's as variant as as there are very
very severe forms of mono that could be disastrous for
a football player. It's actually one of the causes of
a spontaneous like we're more familiar in sports with traumatic
splenic injuries like Chris sims which I'm sure the Jets
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are very aware of because Chris Simms. Phil simms Son
actually had a splenic injury when he played at the
meadow Lands and required an emergent splenectomy, which is you know,
I remember when I was in college University of Pennsylvania
a penn player having the same thing, uh, traumatic injury. Now,
what happened with mano is sometimes you can get splenic enlargement,
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but you don't always get splenic enlargement, and viral illnesses
can be very very very variable. So really no one
can truly comment about it, but it's it's a very
common thing. I don't think it has to do with,
you know, being wild or anything like that. I think
that what happens is as you get older, you more
likely to develop antibodies to epstein var and CMV, which
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are the two leading causes of mono, and then it
only becomes hurting. It if you're immune immuno suppressed, like
if you're going to be getting a transplant and see
c MV positive versus CMV negative. UM most of these
time things is self limited, but it's nothing that you
can really speed up the process. And you just hope
that he has um a mild of virus that can correct.
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But you know, for example, I I frequently talk about
my friend Fran McCaffrey. His son Connor missed his whole
freshman college basketball season. At first they thought it was
tonsil ITAs. It wound up, yes, he did have a
mild strep throat, but he had mono underneath that and
that cost him his whole freshman year of college basketball.
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So you're you're saying that those the things that Donald
definitely back in the next few weeks, not guaranteed. It's variable.
I I wouldn't say yes. I wouldn't say no. It's
like there's the flu and there's a little flu. You
know you've had the flu with where where you know
you've gotten better in five Now he's not going to
be better in five days. But there are people that
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that can lose twenty thirty pounds and and and really
have malaise and have chronic fatigue. You hope that don
l doesn't have that. Then there are other people two
to three weeks later, they're feeling better. You know, he
can go back and and he's eating well, and he
has his strength, and he doesn't get an in large spleen.
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If he gets it in large spleen from this, he's
out for the year. Yeah, the spleen was certainly knocking
out for the for the year. We saw at least
to say, we saw Chris Simms, as you mentioned at
Medlife as well. Let me go to the other New
York team, the one that you watched last yesterday, I
should say, at Medleife, seeing the New York Giants who
got demolished by the Buffalo Bills. And as you were
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just telling me before the show started, the Bills wanted
to do on my forty points yesterday, it was not
nearly as close as the score indicated. And well it
wasn't all Eli Manning's fault by by any means. Uh,
This roster is simply not good enough. The defense is
pathetically bad, the wide receiving corps is pathetically bad, and
Eli Manning, who needs help to be successful. Doesn't have
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any help outside of s kuon Barkley. Where is Dave
Gentleman sleeping? Where is you know the mouth that Roy was.
This is an open invitation from Giant fans. Um I
said this last year. The Giants gave us two incredible
super Bowls, but neither time and and I don't want
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to take anything away from those teams because they were
the best team in those playoffs, but for the entire
year they was certainly not juggernauts like the Giants eighty
six team, or the Bears eight five team, or the
Miami Dolphins or even the New England Patriots that they
built beat. They were not considered the best team in
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the league during the majority of the season. Give him
all the credit in the world. Six of the last
seven years they they've basically lost their first two games.
I can't remember them winning a game in September. Try
to remember a date that they won a game in September.
When a people going to start looking at the Mars
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instead of the doc, they're looking at the marriage, They're
looking at Gettleman, They're looking at like what I mean,
Gentleman was the worst higher ever? He is he is
he is more offensive than Phil Jackson, which is pretty high.
At least Phil, they're similar. At least Phil Jackson, you know,
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was Action Jackson on the Knicks, and Red Holtzman put
him in games. To me, but the deliberate foul? Do
you do you remember when there was one shot I'm
dating myself now, Okay, Johnson never played in the NBA
when I was okay, But not only did Phil Jackson
play in the NBA, Phil Jackson had the longest arms
in the world world. Phil Jackson didn't play on the
Knicks seventy team that won the championship. He was out
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that entire year with a back injury. Red Holtzman used
to love him to do two things. He used to
bring him in because with his long arms, to god
the inbound pass. And to deliberately foul, because back in
those days they had the one shot foul. So if
you were behind, forget about one and one, there was
a one shot foul if you weren't in the penalty,
so you would get the ball back. Could you imagine
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the analytics on that? My god, you did you ever
know there was a one shot foul? There was no
three point line. It was a one shot, one shot.
But he is Gettleman is a worst general man. He
is the absolute worst, and he is so egotistical. And
what I will tell everybody is and I'm not trying
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to We can go into another tangent on this, but
both the Giants and the Steel is what by getting
rid of their divas, it was gonna be addition for
attractions that now owing four between the two of them.
So if, if anything so you're saying you should go
out and acquire Antonio Brown. You know what. I listen
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before all the stuff came out, now, um about all
of these trudgures. If I was the Giants, I would
have I mean, they stink. You gotta do something. You know,
this is a football you know, we're not We're not
trying to teach you know, after school morals to people.
They have absolutely no talent. I don't know what Gettleman
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is thinking taking a three hundred and fifty pounds owned
lineman as a run stuff rather than having absolutely no
paths ash Rush. I hope Daniel Jones is the real deal.
If not, he has screwed the Pooch to a degree
that no one has ever seen the pooch screwed absolutely, David.
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Dave Getleman, He's rely on Daniel Jones almost as a
Giants fan. I don't even want Daniel Jones have a
good rookie year because it's just prooves Dannleman go like this.
If Daniel Jones is brutal, I'm not rooting for that.
I don't know where I'm rooting. It seems like a
nice kid. But you don't want Dave Getleman to be successful.
But he he seems to have put But the way
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Getleman has played this, he's got to be better than
Josh Allen. He's got to be better or at least
as good as Donald. He's got to be better than Haskins.
And he's put an incredible amount of a pressure on
this kid. And again, and because the way it was
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in The Dragon, we will never know if anybody between
six and seventeen like Daniel Jones. We will never really
know the truth of that. That we will know what
Daniel jones Is resume is someday, But right now, if
Josh Allen not the quarterback has a Hall of Fame career,
that was sitting there right there with the Giants, any
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logical anybody else, but Gettleman takes Josh Allen and if
they love the quarterback, they do what the steel It's do, okay,
And they jump up with that second round pick, and
then I guess they don't have DeAndre Bago, which may
not have been that big a deal. And you're sitting
with you instead of sitting with You're sitting there with
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Josh Allen and the quarterback you love, okay, which I
think makes everybody feel a lot better. For some reason,
he thinks that quantity is worth more of than quality,
And I don't understand it. I really really don't that
this idea that there was just world team win with
bad eggs in the locker room. That's not true obviously
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at all. And you could be the nicest guys in
the world, but if you don't have enough talent, you're
not going to win. The New York Giants have proven,
at least for the first two weeks of the season,
they don't have nearly enough talent. They who is an
above average player on their defense? Besides Jenkins, they don't
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have one, not a single above above average. They don't
have one one, okay, besides Hawkley. No, it's it's so funny.
I listened to the Nationals and they were they were
on Flacco. They were really hammering Flacco, and I'm like thinking,
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I thought Flacco looked a lot better than Eli Manning.
I think that Eli Manning is so low on the
curb that they don't even want to waste their breath
well at anything. Who who would he start for? He
start for the Steelers right now, I would think. I
think that they'd grab the go with Mason and see
what happened. But they start, start for the Jaguars right now,
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I think they'd go. But I I could see the
guard the Jaguars or the steel Is going out and
giving you a fifth round pick and using him in
a I wouldn't call it a backup role. You put
the kid out there. If he's doing fine, then you
put Manning in. If he catches lightning in the bottle,
you're starting him in the next year. UM. I think
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both of those things are reasonable destinations at the at
the present time. UM. And I think that if Manning
looks in the mirror, he should want to go. I
totally agree, unless he was fine staying on the sidelines here.
I mean, I just think that if I told you
that I thought it was going to be the second
core second half of the Buffalo game because I knew
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they were gonna lose in Dallas. I think that I
didn't expect the defense to be so pathetic, which took
the pressure off Manning. But the Buffalo game was exactly
what I expected. And if Sherman had any freedom, you know,
Shermer is like a bad hospital administrator as a coach.
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You know, he just, you know, whatever they tell him
to do, he does. He he is absolutely I don't
know what he was watching, and he got away with it.
But after Buffalo walked down the field three times, they
get the ball with a minute forty at their own
thirty five yard lines, and he's calling time outs like
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we have a pass for us, like he wants our
defense on the field. When they said time out in
New York, I like looked at my my son and
my friend rich Glass and they go, what is going
on here? And then he called another time out? I said,
doesn't he realize that buff gets the ball first, that
this could have been a thirty five to seven game
party Ova. And then what happens is miracle the miracles.
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The Giants defense holds, they get a great punt return,
next thing, you know, interception interception. It's like you can't
make it up. Would you have called those time outs
after you watched them? They just went a hundred and
eight yards on a drive they started at the two,
They had a holding penalty. They went a hundred and
eight yards for the last touchdown and the Giants didn't
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even stop him. It was too hand touch, but it
would have just gotten off the field at that point.
You get off the field and get home. That's a
case where it works out, but it's the wrong decision
because you you just try to go in at halftime
and say, we'll make some adjustments, we'll figure it out.
You know, we'll take a deep breath and do do so.
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But you know, and and I think again McDermott just
doesn't have confident and yet and Josh Allen two basically
just let him go and that's fine, And and he
just wanted to make sure that he won the game,
which obviously they did. We mentioned Big Ben and of
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his first Steelers he's out for this season with that
elbow injury. Drew Brees out for a while with a
thumb in six weeks with a ligament, and I mean
the thumb is the most critical thing. It means and
and and ligaments don't have the best blood supply. Um
P T. I mean, I think you're looking at a
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minimum of six weeks. I wouldn't be surprised. That's that's
that today thing. I wouldn't be surprised. If he's on
I R and you're looking Thanksgiving, you're looking so they
have a week nine? By is week ten possible? It's
eight weeks? I think it's gonna be close to the twelve.
If I had to guess, what is what do you
expect to see Teddy Bridgewater as a new study quarterback?
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I mean the last time I saw Teddy bridge were
to play a meaningful game was with Minnesota and that
was four years ago. Um he was so it's so
interesting when you go back, I mean, does he get
better like wine and and more valuable? People were saying
that that was the Blake Bortles Derek Carr draft, and
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people were saying Derek Carr was a going into last
season three years ago, people said that Derek Carr was
an m v P kim last year he was the
buzz pick. Or was it two years and I think
it was two years ago. Two years ago, before the
year before Gruden, he was the hot, the hot quarterback.
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Now you know, he's considered scrappy and he's been considered
the best quarterback in that draft. That was the Blake Bortles,
Eddy Bridgewater and then then Derek carr Um. Teddy Bridgewater
stock fell when he was the Louisville quarterback. A lot
of people said it was because his hands were too small. Um,
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I thought he played Wealth of Minnesota. I didn't think
he was a house on fire. But I think Peyton's
really I don't think he's a great game coach. It
seems like the Saint in the last few minutes, the
Saints have had a lot of long drives, the Lattimore,
the miracle in Minnesota. But I think he's a great preparation,
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game planning coach. You know, perhaps the second best in
football made probably third behind Andy Reid. So I think
that that that Peyton will put him in a good situation.
And and don't forget about Tyson Hill. Taysom Hillsom Hill. Yeah,
Taysom Hill is to play a role. He's gonna be interesting,
He's gonna have a role in the offense and very interesting.
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And that's what I give coaches credit for. Like the
the people who always play say the common thing, they say, well,
how can you take Drew Brees off the field in
shorty audit? Well, because this gives them makes them defend
an extra player. And this is what I think that
the Sherman's who are just cheap and followers never get.
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They can never be creative. For example, I agree that
Landon Collins is not a true safety, but as a
hybrid linebacker in today's NFL, he has a role. I
watched Brill Pepper's basically got annihilated anybody who blocked him.
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It was just like he wound up kenyards back in
the end zone. Um, there are creative ways to use personnel,
and it seems like Belichick figures it out, Peyton figures
it out, and some of these other guys are just regimented.
I totally agree with that. They are just stuck doing
what they do and it doesn't work for someone that
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is a smarter coach, you figure it out the belicheck
Any read Sean Payton. So I'm going to ask you
a question. Your your decision. I'm watching that game. I'm
watching my team flat. Now I got my the kid
who gave everybody some buzz. I'm sitting at home. It's
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twenty one seven the Giant. You go back to the Giants. Now,
back to the Giants. How do you not put Jones
in that game in the second half? Telling you one
person who was on the stadium texting me about this, Okay,
I mean, because I'm playing too. Where if you're gonna
call time outs there? And you actually thought that, you know,
you could see they weren't gonna give Manning a big play. Okay,
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you could see they had him defense. You know, they
knew exactly what you were gonna do. How don't you
change that up? And you know what, I was listening
to his interview, Oh we were right back in that game. No,
you weren't. They just wanted to shorten the clock. Okay,
if you want to say that to the media, you know,
say it. But they were. You were not. And if
you think you were, I seriously doubt you've been a
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coordinator for all the years that you were totally with you,
totally totally with you. I think it's remarkable how the
New York Giants will spend this and and I was
talking to friends yesterday and they said, you know, how
does what is the conversation we want to be at
the end of the year, if and when this team
goes potentially to and fourteen. I'll tell you what it is.
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It's if you see projects from Daniel Jones, they'll fire
James Betcher and David Yedimann will make excuse after excuse,
ever excuses somehow save his job. Well, first of all,
you know, at least Miami's tanking for TUA. Sure it's
a plan. So and has collected a ton of draft
picks on topic that maybe they'll take, like a three
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fifty pound defensive tackle. Why. Um, by the way, the
Beckham deal, and and and and like I said, I
don't think you know, I took the over under. I
staid in the next few years, I thought like Beckham
would get hurt. You know, the Giants have gotten a
lot of nothing for Beckham. Um, I don't see Pepper
as being a game changing player. Dexter Lawrence is going
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going to be you know, your career mid mid lineman
that drifts around. You know, you sign a few, you
get a few, but but not not a difference maker.
And um, you know that's what they got fro him.
Unless I'm missing something nothing, Yeah nothing, Knock didn't missing anything,
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you got nothing. So it's in tonight tonight. What do
you think happens tonight? By the way, that's Cleveland. We've
we find out a lot about Cleveland, because I think
tonight either Cleveland could tattoo and seven. Yeah. I think
if Cleveland is any good, they win this game forty
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five seven, they should, they should. Greg Williams is out
for blood. That guy's out for blood. Dock. We'll see. Well,
I mean, if this game is close, Cleveland is not
going to have a big deal. And and and and
and by the way, everything is broken right in that
division because Pittsburgh is not nearly as good as is
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any of us thoughts any of us thought they were.
They're owing to Baltimore is two and oh, but I
don't think anybody thinks they're a jugnaut. And Cincinnati got
blown out at home by San Francisco. So it's wide
open there for Cleveland. Absolutely, absolutely, Cleveland certainly has as
we'll see what Baker Mayfield and company can do later
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on tonight. Well's continue on with me to get some
other takeaway I think Indianapolis has really bounced back nicely
as your look retiring, Well, give me to an o
right now. They should be to and oh Vinitary announced
anything today. I didn't see anything that he was I
knew what he could have announced. I haven't seen anything.
Well again, their GM has done a great job collecting pieces.
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Excellent John Chris Ballard and and Luck is a truly
special player. But and he really came on as the
season moved along, But so did the whole team last year.
And and I think he's an excellent coach. I think
Frank Rice really gets it. I think very great. Great
the Dog Peterson trade. It's that Maryland education must be
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Maybe maybe BOOMERI Sciasin should become the head coach of
the New York Football Giant. Think he's making enough money
doing when he's doing. I think I think boomers are right.
I don't think you want Randy Etsel though, No, I
do not want them to hire Randy l Speaking of Maryland,
that was easy to see coming. Well, that was so easy.
You know, they play a great, great game and and
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and and then and then that's it and then and
absolutely dut and and you know it's amazing in college
football to have what the difference you we we always
thought that everybody being on television would narrow the playing field,
and to a lot of extent it has. It's made
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a bigger clumb But the difference, the top difference between Alabama, Clemson,
Ohio State, Oklahoma and maybe i'll throw in Georgia and
l s U and the rest, it's a big difference.
It's it's a it's a big difference. It's like you
kind of know that the national champion I just named,
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you know, I'll give you, I'll give you the rest
of the country in in in whatever odds you want
between those teams. Yeah, I still want those teams. I
don't want. I don't want anybody I left out that
you could give a fighting chance. It means to me
one more time. So you have in the essays SEC
really Georgia and album Alabama and potentially L s U has.
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When you look at the number one picks, then you
have Clemson, then you have Ohio State, and then you
have Oklahoma. That's it. And Michigan has been bad. Michigans
have been people late Utah, people light Utah. That's well,
it's got a lot of teams in there that are
in the mix. Are they in the mix for the
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Pack twelve or are they in the mix? I mean
every time a Pack twelve team goes to they get
the you know the game's over by halftime. You can't
make the line high enough. It's like it's like the
Patriot game yesterday. You couldn't make the line high enough. No,
you couldn't have. And now they made it even higher
for next week as Dallas is going to host Miami
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next week twenty one and a half point favorites of
the Dallas Cowboys, and Dallas will cover. You think they
will so many points? I mean, Dallas will cover. I
there's a lot of badness going on in Miami. Um.
And and this is what why I I felt what
I did did is Laura's has already lost the locker
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room down there. Those guys do not want to be there.
When they made those trades to ton of Sell, to Houston, etcetera.
Those guys don't want to be there. And that's a
dangerous way to play football. Um. It's one thing in basketball,
but I've really never seen it in football this early
in the season. And and and and and that's why the
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giants don't. They're the last holdouts out Mara and Gettleman
and Sherma. You know again, I think Shermer is just
your hospital administrator taking orders and and and yes man.
And you know what, Sherman should realize that this is
gonna be his last head coaching spot. And you know,
if he loses, he should lose his own way. He
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should go home tonight, look in the mirror and say,
you know what, I'm gonna be the king of my
own destiny. I may not have the best trojan horses
in the world, but you know what, I'm going to
coach in my way and screw you and put you know,
and and that that would be my attitude right now.
And I'd walk into that room because there's no one
in that room that believes that Eli Manning can extend
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to play that gives him a chance to win, not
a single one. So the and and I may be
delusional to think this, but maybe there's some energy that
goes into that room when somebody sees a giant quarterback
do what every other quarterback in the league can now do. Okay,
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the the only quarterbacks in the league, if you look
at it, that don't have. First of all, Drew Brees
is very nimble and and and has some escapability. But
both him and Brady are tremendously precise. Even Flacco is
more precise than Eli Eli. I don't even you know,
I watched Eli for sixteen years. I don't even know
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what he is. He's not precise for somebody who just
stays in the pocket. He's not a true gun slinger
like Brett Fave. He is kind of an amalgamation that
picked the right time and used to be you know,
the best thing about him is he used to be
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able to make big plays in the at the end
of games and in the playoffs. He's lost the ability
last year to make the big plays at the end
of the game. But when you actually watched him for
four quarters, what really was he? And I'm a fan, Yeah,
he was underwhelming. Has that a good word for it?
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But he's not you see, everybody wants to make him
this grizzled vet like Brady, like Brady esque. He's never
been that. He's never been a precise thrower or a
quick reader of the ball. He always had a little
bit of fall off holding the ball and taking taking
the high risk play. He just does have he you know,
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that's the other thing. They they've surrounded him with smurf
receivers too. You know, Eli Manning was at his best
when he threw the big people like Plaxico Burris in
a Mounti tumor that got some degree of separation and
he heaved the ball down the field. Ever since they
hired Macadoo, they keep on trying to run and slants.
Eli doesn't throw that well, that's not his game. So
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he there's there are a hodgepodge of nonsense, and you know,
I'm not exactly sure what they are, but the point
is Sherman is gonna lose the locker room, you know,
And and that's what's happened in Miami. Ryan Flores through
two weeks and really not even Ryan Flora's faut. He
didn't put these players together. They don't have a talent,
much like the Giants, they just don't have enough talent.
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They don't have talent. But there's also bedlam down there.
You know. He hired fired his offensive coordinator before they
played an exhibition game. It was there the office coin
in their offensive line coach. I thought it was a coordinator,
but I don't think it was there cool. I don't
think it was their coordinator. I think Specialty's coordinators. It
was some He's not offensive, I mean it was it
was craziness down there from the start. You know there
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there's there's there's craziness down there from the start. I mean,
Adam Gays has to be glad until like I guess
his quarterback got mono that he was out of there. Um,
and you know, again that's another interesting situation. What happens
with the Jets tonight? You know, is Adam Gaze on
a one year thing or do you basically have to
Quincy a new I can't pronounce it. Quincy, you know,
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is basically gone and he's never playing again with a
neck injury. He's never playing again. Um, they lose their quarterback,
they lose Quentin Williams, they lose c. J. Moseley. Uh,
and they have a miserable schedule, coming a miserable schedule,
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they're gonna be owing six very very potentially, Oh yeah,
very potentially. I mean tonight's a critical game for them,
and they don't have their horses. No Sam Donald, no
c J. Mosley. Heard a lot oh Jeff fans say today,
including her own day, Martinez is that they're gonna be
c J. Mosley even more so than Sam Donald. Well,
that's based on the fact that Buffalo didn't score a
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point when he was on the field, and then they
scored the seventeen when he was off the field. Couldn't
one linebacker make that much of a difference in that game?
Or was that kind of like a rallying cry and
stuff like that. I mean, I never saw I didn't
even think c J. Moseley was you know, we always
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thought Sugs was the better player on Baltimore and and
and other people on Baltimore. We always thought he was
a nice accessory. But we never looked at him as
being um J. J. Watt like a wrecking crew or
Lawrence Taylor or or or somebody that we had to
double team, or Von Miller. I mean, did you know,
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certainly not. I mean, I think he's you know, he's
being overrated by their intangibles, and you know, you you
hope that. What's interesting is that Trevis Simmeon has the
exact same quarterback rating, He has a better record in
the NFL, the same exact rating as Sam Donald. It
really isn't that much. I mean, I understand Donald has
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a much higher upside. He's he's the fantasy, but is
there that big of a drop off today tonight. That's
what we're talking about all day long, probably not just today.
We're think about going forward, the future potential. We're not
talking about We're not talking about about what you think honestly,
So go the NFL. I think Dallas is better excellent team.
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I think they're really good Philadelphia, you know, and that
that's one of the things is is is you look
at these teams. You know, Dallas isn't a nice shot
a chance because they won two division games, But the
other teams, you know, the Giants haven't played at home
division games. You know, the season's not over. Other than
they stink, not the issue, that's the issue. Very bad.
You know. You look at green Bay's gotten off two
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and oh and not looked very impressive doing it. Two
good teams though, I think, well, you think Chicago's Gouda
did everything go right for them? No, I think their
defense is really good. Okay, their defens is really good.
They allowed Flacco to walk down the field and school
yesterday and then get the two points I did version
and and it seems like everybody hates Draubitsky, Yes, do you?
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I don't know. I think he's athletic and makes plays
when he has to. I don't think he's a very
acturate thrower of the ball. I think he runs again escapability.
He figured out a way to to to make the
one play when he had to make it yesterday. Um,
I think everyone's further down on him than than what
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he deserves to be perfectly honest, Yeah, I don't know.
That is a very little confident in him. He did
drive the team down the field yesterday to win the
game ultimately, and eveniro it's the fifty plus yarder Matt
Neggie and the Bears fans go nuts. I'm not sold
on little Drosky. What do you think of Matthew Stafford.
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I think he's on the wrong downside of his career.
I think we saw Pete Stafford a few years ago.
It's tough a year for him. Give you know, they're
one oh and one, believe it or not. They undefeated,
have big win for them in that Patricia and Arizona.
You know, besides the fact that the Cliff Kings bearer
can't go for it like no one his offense. You know,
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they have fun with Kyler Murray, but you know somebody
should teach him clock management and that that touchdowns or
were seven points and field goals of worked three r
But Arizona has been in both games. Arizona was my
lock in the day. Yesterday I liked Arizona too, that
was my thirteen and a half points. Wait, your favorite
bets of Cleveland and Arizona's Your favorite were Arizona and
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Indie India also cover. How do you like the game tonight? Tonight?
I don't really have a field for it. I know
Gabe is on the Jets because he doesn't think that.
As we were just saying San Donald's and all that
special essentially. You see. The thing is, though, I think
Cleveland wants to go for the jugular and if they
score points, the Jets can't score point. That's true. We'll
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see their defenses, you know, I I think that they can't.
You know, the Jets aren't goa if Cleveland puts up
thirty five points, I'm not surprised. I don't think the
Jets quarterbacks can cover Beckham. You know, I've been saying
all along that whoever wins the offseason doesn't win the
regular season always, okay, always, Nick Chubb, Beckham and Landry.
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I think it's just too much for the Jets to defend.
And I just don't think the Jets are gonna put
up twenty. I don't see how it's possible for them
to do that with this quarterback, with this offense. I
think Cleveland's just I think Cleveland's too much. I think
they matched them. I if I had to think, and
I don't want to, I think Cleveland covers I do.
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So I'm gonna move on to baseball ahead. You know again,
I think that um. You know, Mets have had a
fun season, probably to some extent, came to an end
last time. If you look at the new year, Buck Mets,
are you optimistic in the future that you have Alonso
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McNeil Inforto, J D. Davis, i'mine Rosario, Or are you
pessimistic because you had a year where your starting pitches
stayed healthy? You know, they really, probably more so than
any other baseball team, They've had their big pitches stay healthy.
You can look at it. They got a career air
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year from Will Wilson Ramos. Offensively, they got a career
year from J. D. Davis. Who the hell was J D. Davis?
We have no idea if this was real and not.
Alonso and McNeil were better than anybody could have ever anticipated.
I'd say Conforto had his Conforto years, where certain weeks
he's the best player in baseball. Certain weeks he can
hit the side of a bond. Certainly, you know, you know,
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because he's at thirty home runs for three years. So
I'd say the Conforto is pretty safe and Rosira has
moved ahead and they're still not going to make the playoffs.
Where do you come down on that? I think it
was a I think it was a good year for
the Mets. They competed, how are still competing through September,
and they've been fun. They're a likable team. They are
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they become likable. They become likable. They've gone from an
unlikable team like like right now, and this is what
you hope Daniel Jones brings. The Giants are not a
likable team, Okay, they've become The Mets have become a
really likable it's fun. They've become fun because they went
on those because they were so bad, so bad, and
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they turned it on and the young players and started
performing really, really well, and if they had any relief pitching,
they could they could be making a run at anything.
Correct now, I think it's a successful year, and I
think next year should be even more successful because another
year of these some of these younger guys, and the
pitching is all still gonna be there. It's not changing.
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So I think that the immediate future is bright. The
long inter future it means to be seen. Now what
I thought this weekend when you saw the Dodges come
in with a relatively hot and I think, actually, the
Mets have a decent lineup right now with Nemo and
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you saw how they put Kershure you and Deler and
you know each game was besides the first one where
the Dodges pulled away Nippin Tuck. I think this is
where the Yankees. You know, the Yankees are talking about Tanaka.
Oh we got Tanaka and Paxson and then you know
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we're gonna go by committee. First of all, I don't
see Tanaka throwing seven shutout anything. I mean, I know
he has I know he has risen. I think he's
due to revert to the mean because he has his
games where the balls just flies out of the ballpark. Paxson,
I think has more talent. You didn't pitch well Saturday.
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I I think that the Yankees are in trouble against
Houston and the Dodges. Of course they are. Of course
they are. Oh there's any question about that, Doc Well,
I mean, you know, most people don't say that. And
that's that was my criticism of of Brian Cashman. And
I think you agreed with me. I'm pitching. No, they
have pitching. They don't have horses. They don't have top
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horses at the top of the rotation. They don't have
people that can match. You know, if Granky throws eight
shutout innings against them, you know they're gonna they're gonna
see Granky whole and Verlanda and my my guess is
they're going to be playing golf with me. Well, let's
hope that the Astros somehow get eliminated before they see
the Yankees. How's that that may work, and you Twins
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somehow out slug them. It's boom a. But I don't
think that's happening, not now. I don't think the Twins
are good enough to keep the Astros off the board.
No of course not, but a man can pray, Doc.
But I mean, I think that's what I saw when
the Dodges, and I think that one of the things
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that I think the Dodgers will do and the Astros
will do is they will have their pitching well rested
into this playoffs, which I think is different than any
other year that we've had. I mean, there's all of
the baseball. I don't remember baseball being this top heavy.
It never never this top heavy where there are just
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so many bad teams. I don't remember being and and
and basically, okay, you know, you know you're playing for
one game home field advantage, but basically, everybody's going to
be able to rest their pitching coming in. Everybody, all
the big teams will get an opportunity to set up
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their rotations right and be ready for the playoffs. And
I look at the MLV standings right now. The oh
look at the overall the best record of league. The
New York Yankees are hide with the Astros both one
game ahead of the Dodgers for the record for the
best record in Major League Baseball. But that has no
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bearing because the winner of the World of the All
Star Game gets there. They got rid of that. They
got rid of that already, so it does have a
bearing still. But also it's bearing because you avoid the
Twins in the first round in the in the American League.
I think that's a big deal. I do, I do.
I think the Twins are significantly better than uh, whoever
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the wild card will be, whoever the wild card winner
will be. As you look at the wild card Cleveland, Oakland,
Tampa Bay right, one of those three teams, I'm much
rather face them than face the Twins. Twins are good, Doc,
They're very good. Wins can hit, but really well, I
don't know who's really at the top of their rotation.
They could hit, they could hit. I mean, I think
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that you're really looking at the Yankees used I'd be
shocked if you're not. And I think in the NL,
I think that you know, Washington will have a But
do you want to do the Yankees at home field
advantage against Houston? Oh, the Yankees definitely need home field
advantage and they are tied right now with just a
week or two left to play. Well, the Yankees are
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gonna pitch seven, you know, I guess tomorrow night, that's right.
And they got patances back, that's right. I mean, the
Yankees are gonna try to win with a lot of quality,
but without the true stud on top. That's exactly what
they're trying to do yesterday. Yesterday's loss was very, very frustrating.
You can't lose that game to the Toronto Blue Jays.
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Can't do it. These Patances. Listen, you got you got
to shut us out of Thetances, which was nice. Jordan
Montgomery pitched, which was nice. Who's the Dodgers competition in
the end? Nobody the Nationals. Maybe the Braves. That's it
to me. The Braves have a good lineup and a
good picturing. The Braves have a very very very good
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line up. And so I mean the wild card game
looks like it looks like either it's gonna be Washington
against the Cubs on the wall the game. Did Joe
Manni get fired at the end of the season, Well,
my immediate impulse if he does was to hire him
for for New York. But I'm going to take a
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step back of where I just said. Is a the
Mets have played hard for callaway back and whatever it is,
I think he's tittally d and tittally dumb. Sometimes but
one is he's kept their pictures healthy, and I have
to give him some credit for that. It is he
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kept his pitches healthy in Cleveland, He's kept his pitches
healthy in New York, and they weren't always healthy. I mean,
we've we've seen these great staffs dissipate very very quickly.
He's managed to get these guys a lot of work
and keep them healthy, relatively healthy for the last two years.
I have to give him some credit for that. I
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think they don't know that he's back. Next year. Though
they don't know that he's back, I think he's definitely
back because I think the Mets look at this is
an up year and that may be a state on
of on the willpons that they're playing meaningful baseball in
September and their pictures have been healthy. Um, and you know,
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I honestly thought that through the course of the year,
he's probably become more of Brodie's guy. Rody had every opportunity.
I mean, we fired him here after they got shopped
by the mall in Okay, I fired him too, And
if if Brodie's attitude was going to be that he's
not my guy, that would have been the time where
he said sayonara. So now after this second half, First
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of all, if you replace him, you basically have to
go Girardi or a Madden or somebody up. So, okay,
you have naming names. You have to go with somebody
who has a resume. You can't hire the up and
coming guy. That's what Mickey Callaway. Can't hire a Gabe kapla,
no God, Now okay, you can't hire You have to
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hire somebody who has a resume. Right, So I think
the met fans not. First of all, there's not gonna
be anybody picketing if if they fire Mickey Callaway. But
I mean, honestly, I think he deserves another year. You
don't when you take a step because I think I
think every man the problem is if and when things
ultimately go wrong next year and then it'll be a
slump s no doubt, go for his head. Then they
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don't trust him, they don't believe in him. I know
he held the team together this year. I know the
second half of the year has been really really fun
for met fans, and it has, But I don't think
Mickey Callaway is the guy. Okay, So you go out
and get your ruddy correct, that's exactly what I do.
And he he manages a bullpen very well. So Mickey
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Callaway has listen, I have no you know, I said
that the Mets go out and get Gerardi's a New
York guys. This is you know, he only wants two jobs,
the Mets the Cubs are the Cubs, and I thought
he wanted the Cub job. But if you listen to
his interviews now he's singing the Mets praises, you know what.
I think he also just likes and we never talked
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about this part. He lives in New York, he lives here,
lives in Purchase. He lives in Purchase, but he was
born and you know, he's just he went to Northwestern
as well, and his kids are older and and stuff
like that. But like now you don't have to move.
I don't know. I mean the Mets. Well, the Mets
paid Girardi money. That's the big question. Can Brody convinced
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him to pay Girardi money? And then for any of
these guys, for madd In, for social for girorarity, you
have to pay. You can't get it by with what
you're paying Mickey Callaway, which is like peanuts for managers,
you know, because the Mets need an athletic outfielder. You know,
they should keep Nemo because his value is going to
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be very, very low. But they're still on top of that.
They need a right handed athletic outfielder. And don't tell
me it's going to be cespitous, Okay, despitous. If you
get anything from him, it's extra and I think you can't.
And then they need to put tons of money in
the bullpen. I think that they should try to bring
back Wheeler how much market value, which is what I
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would say, you're on the market than the Garrett Cole.
I think Will is going to get you know, three,
three year sixty million. I think he signs for longer.
I think he signs for four and eight. Probably did
you do that? I think so. I mean I think
in today's Markett you kind of have to. I mean,
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you're in for a dime. I mean, you know, listen,
the Mets window of opportunity is truly next year. That's it.
Oh yeah, it's true, it's truly next year. I mean,
you know, you you you go out and you have
to figure out the ballpen. You have to figure out
the ballpen. You also, they try and they they had
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all these pieces. None of them worked. Your other option
is to start Lugo right, Okay, because for some reason,
you know this logo camp pitch two days. I've never
heard of that in a relief picture. But again, they
seem to know what they're doing, So maybe he is
more fit to pitch on a regular schedule. He's a
valuable asset. He you know last night, except he had
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He's had a wonderful year for them. Um, I mean
I think that you can't come back with familiar and Diaz.
I mean, you have no choice but to come back
with Dias and hope he figures it. Obviously, his value
is too low to move right, so you have to
hope that he comes back and that this was just
an anomaly, that he's tipping his pictures or something. I
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have no idea, but I figured it out. Who wins
the World Series? Dodgers. Good pick because you look at
the National League being correct, they gotta by the way.
If they don't, it's a it's a bad year. It
is World Series two straight years. Gotta you gotta come
away with a wain at some point. Okay, Antonio Brown,
what do you do with him? I think the Patriots
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have dug their grave here until until there is, until
the NFL suspends him. They're not going to What do
you do if you're Roger Gal if I'm Roger Goodell, like,
don't you have to kind of let the legal process
play out? You spend it too despite no process playing out?
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You know, again, I think that it's a very you know,
we tend to cluster black hat white hat, and there's
so much coming out that most of us, even though
we don't know him, don't think Antonio Brown is a
great guy. Yeah, that probably should be kept out of it.
But I think it's a very dangerous precedent if you
suspend somebody to put him on the exemple list when
there's not even a criminal investigation, because you know what happens.
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You know what happens, like when Pat Mahomes is coming
to uh play a playoff game, somebody could just allge
something about him that's absolutely terrible. I mean, and I'm
you know, and I'm not saying Pat Mahomes ever did anything,
but but that if there's not even a criminal complaint,
how do you take that to the next level? So
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she comes into the NFL, and she says he did
these bad things. How do you corroborate that? And if
it was so bad, why was it three times? Why
didn't you go file a police report? Okay, okay, you know,
I think it's a very dangerous precedent that anybody who
makes an allegation it would lead to a definitive an
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action that that that hurts another person. So I think
that we're willing to tolerate that because in our mind
we don't look at Antonio Brown as being a sympathetic figure.
But that really shouldn't weigh into the debate. I agree,
it's it's it's very hard. It's it's very very hard.
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This guy is not a good guy. Is there not
to play? I asked, the legal process has to play
out with that. With that, you're trying to do it tonight.
With that, we're gonna say good night for tonight. So
let's do our final score on Monday Night football. Okay,
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this is remember Howard co Sel Monday Night football. We're
at the New York MetLife Stadium, that Life Stadium. You know,
I miss him because you know what he did. It
was great. As I'd sit at home, he'd make everything
sound like it was an event, and he was. You know,
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I I met him a bunch of times because my
dad was in sports media. There was not a more catankerous,
dislikable human being but on the air. And he wasn't
a great commentator, but he was able to frame things
to make you feel like you were where all the
act was tonight that Monday Night football was bigger when
Howard Coastell was in. Howard Howard Coastell was always that voice,
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brought out everybody right for everything, for every event he
did was bigger because of him. Final score to Night Doc,
I think it's uh Cleveland fourteen. I will go with
twenty seven thirteen Cleveland Browns. We both have the brown.
He's not a Mitch rosalind I am Greg Sauceman. Check
out all over other episodes on demand. All you gotta
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do search Doc, Jock, have a great night. We'll see tomorrow.
Next time.
What is up? Everybody? Welcome inside Studio thirty four. This
is Doc John. He is Dr Mitchell Rosalind. I am
Greg Souceman. Doc was havingue a lot of medical stuff
and and it looks like of the fame quarterback class
that next week it'll only be Philip Rivers standing. Only
potentially only Philip Rivers standing, the last one standing in
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the NFL. WE two is almost in the books. Of course,
taving this on a Monday, even in Cleveland and New
York still to play from Netlife Stadium in just a
few hours. I'm gonna go out there. I went to
the Giant game yesterday. Gonna go see the Jets that tonight.
This is a game that I thought was gonna have
so much buzz and and it seemed like all of
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the buzz has gone out with Donald's mono nucleosis and
just a whole series is of calamities you know, that
have have besieged the Jets. Quent and Williams not playing,
and you know, I'm actually surprised, although it's a relatively
high line for a Cleveland team that got blown out
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in the first game of the season, that it's six
and a half. You know. I I thought it was
gonna move up when we saw that C. J. Moseley
wasn't gonna play and Quinton Williams isn't gonna play as well. Um,
but I guess you know, neither Cleveland was in. Cleveland
wasn't impressive in the first week of the season. No,
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Cleveland was not. Cleveland got upset and really got destroyed.
Mane Tennessee Titans. Letas start with Sam Donald. You're going
to the game tonight, back to back games. I MetLife
for you. Sam Donald at on wenty two years old,
went three wherever he is. Mono. Now, I know a
lot of athletes aren't exactly faithful here, and that's fine,
but I've never heard of these guys getting mono. But
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that that's not true. It happens across college campuses all
the time, and mono is a catch all diagnosis for
a series of viruses, and it's it's it's interesting. I've
listened to a lot of medical opinions that you know, uh, virtually,
you know somewhat right. But the bottom line is, viral
illnesses are very unpredictable, and this could be a year
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long injury or it could be three to four weeks.
It's just it's as variant as as there are very
very severe forms of mono that could be disastrous for
a football player. It's actually one of the causes of
a spontaneous like we're more familiar in sports with traumatic
splenic injuries like Chris sims which I'm sure the Jets
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are very aware of because Chris Simms. Phil simms Son
actually had a splenic injury when he played at the
meadow Lands and required an emergent splenectomy, which is you know,
I remember when I was in college University of Pennsylvania
a penn player having the same thing, uh, traumatic injury. Now,
what happened with mano is sometimes you can get splenic enlargement,
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but you don't always get splenic enlargement, and viral illnesses
can be very very very variable. So really no one
can truly comment about it, but it's it's a very
common thing. I don't think it has to do with,
you know, being wild or anything like that. I think
that what happens is as you get older, you more
likely to develop antibodies to epstein var and CMV, which
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are the two leading causes of mono, and then it
only becomes hurting. It if you're immune immuno suppressed, like
if you're going to be getting a transplant and see
c MV positive versus CMV negative. UM most of these
time things is self limited, but it's nothing that you
can really speed up the process. And you just hope
that he has um a mild of virus that can correct.
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But you know, for example, I I frequently talk about
my friend Fran McCaffrey. His son Connor missed his whole
freshman college basketball season. At first they thought it was
tonsil ITAs. It wound up, yes, he did have a
mild strep throat, but he had mono underneath that and
that cost him his whole freshman year of college basketball.
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So you're you're saying that those the things that Donald
definitely back in the next few weeks, not guaranteed. It's variable.
I I wouldn't say yes. I wouldn't say no. It's
like there's the flu and there's a little flu. You
know you've had the flu with where where you know
you've gotten better in five Now he's not going to
be better in five days. But there are people that
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that can lose twenty thirty pounds and and and really
have malaise and have chronic fatigue. You hope that don
l doesn't have that. Then there are other people two
to three weeks later, they're feeling better. You know, he
can go back and and he's eating well, and he
has his strength, and he doesn't get an in large spleen.
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If he gets it in large spleen from this, he's
out for the year. Yeah, the spleen was certainly knocking
out for the for the year. We saw at least
to say, we saw Chris Simms, as you mentioned at
Medlife as well. Let me go to the other New
York team, the one that you watched last yesterday, I
should say, at Medleife, seeing the New York Giants who
got demolished by the Buffalo Bills. And as you were
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just telling me before the show started, the Bills wanted
to do on my forty points yesterday, it was not
nearly as close as the score indicated. And well it
wasn't all Eli Manning's fault by by any means. Uh,
This roster is simply not good enough. The defense is
pathetically bad, the wide receiving corps is pathetically bad, and
Eli Manning, who needs help to be successful. Doesn't have
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any help outside of s kuon Barkley. Where is Dave
Gentleman sleeping? Where is you know the mouth that Roy was.
This is an open invitation from Giant fans. Um I
said this last year. The Giants gave us two incredible
super Bowls, but neither time and and I don't want
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to take anything away from those teams because they were
the best team in those playoffs, but for the entire
year they was certainly not juggernauts like the Giants eighty
six team, or the Bears eight five team, or the
Miami Dolphins or even the New England Patriots that they
built beat. They were not considered the best team in
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the league during the majority of the season. Give him
all the credit in the world. Six of the last
seven years they they've basically lost their first two games.
I can't remember them winning a game in September. Try
to remember a date that they won a game in September.
When a people going to start looking at the Mars
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instead of the doc, they're looking at the marriage, They're
looking at Gettleman, They're looking at like what I mean,
Gentleman was the worst higher ever? He is he is
he is more offensive than Phil Jackson, which is pretty high.
At least Phil, they're similar. At least Phil Jackson, you know,
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was Action Jackson on the Knicks, and Red Holtzman put
him in games. To me, but the deliberate foul? Do
you do you remember when there was one shot I'm
dating myself now, Okay, Johnson never played in the NBA
when I was okay, But not only did Phil Jackson
play in the NBA, Phil Jackson had the longest arms
in the world world. Phil Jackson didn't play on the
Knicks seventy team that won the championship. He was out
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that entire year with a back injury. Red Holtzman used
to love him to do two things. He used to
bring him in because with his long arms, to god
the inbound pass. And to deliberately foul, because back in
those days they had the one shot foul. So if
you were behind, forget about one and one, there was
a one shot foul if you weren't in the penalty,
so you would get the ball back. Could you imagine
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the analytics on that? My god, you did you ever
know there was a one shot foul? There was no
three point line. It was a one shot, one shot.
But he is Gettleman is a worst general man. He
is the absolute worst, and he is so egotistical. And
what I will tell everybody is and I'm not trying
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to We can go into another tangent on this, but
both the Giants and the Steel is what by getting
rid of their divas, it was gonna be addition for
attractions that now owing four between the two of them.
So if, if anything so you're saying you should go
out and acquire Antonio Brown. You know what. I listen
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before all the stuff came out, now, um about all
of these trudgures. If I was the Giants, I would
have I mean, they stink. You gotta do something. You know,
this is a football you know, we're not We're not
trying to teach you know, after school morals to people.
They have absolutely no talent. I don't know what Gettleman
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is thinking taking a three hundred and fifty pounds owned
lineman as a run stuff rather than having absolutely no
paths ash Rush. I hope Daniel Jones is the real deal.
If not, he has screwed the Pooch to a degree
that no one has ever seen the pooch screwed absolutely, David.
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Dave Getleman, He's rely on Daniel Jones almost as a
Giants fan. I don't even want Daniel Jones have a
good rookie year because it's just prooves Dannleman go like this.
If Daniel Jones is brutal, I'm not rooting for that.
I don't know where I'm rooting. It seems like a
nice kid. But you don't want Dave Getleman to be successful.
But he he seems to have put But the way
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Getleman has played this, he's got to be better than
Josh Allen. He's got to be better or at least
as good as Donald. He's got to be better than Haskins.
And he's put an incredible amount of a pressure on
this kid. And again, and because the way it was
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in The Dragon, we will never know if anybody between
six and seventeen like Daniel Jones. We will never really
know the truth of that. That we will know what
Daniel jones Is resume is someday, But right now, if
Josh Allen not the quarterback has a Hall of Fame career,
that was sitting there right there with the Giants, any
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logical anybody else, but Gettleman takes Josh Allen and if
they love the quarterback, they do what the steel It's do, okay,
And they jump up with that second round pick, and
then I guess they don't have DeAndre Bago, which may
not have been that big a deal. And you're sitting
with you instead of sitting with You're sitting there with
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Josh Allen and the quarterback you love, okay, which I
think makes everybody feel a lot better. For some reason,
he thinks that quantity is worth more of than quality,
And I don't understand it. I really really don't that
this idea that there was just world team win with
bad eggs in the locker room. That's not true obviously
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at all. And you could be the nicest guys in
the world, but if you don't have enough talent, you're
not going to win. The New York Giants have proven,
at least for the first two weeks of the season,
they don't have nearly enough talent. They who is an
above average player on their defense? Besides Jenkins, they don't
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have one, not a single above above average. They don't
have one one, okay, besides Hawkley. No, it's it's so funny.
I listened to the Nationals and they were they were
on Flacco. They were really hammering Flacco, and I'm like thinking,
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I thought Flacco looked a lot better than Eli Manning.
I think that Eli Manning is so low on the
curb that they don't even want to waste their breath
well at anything. Who who would he start for? He
start for the Steelers right now, I would think. I
think that they'd grab the go with Mason and see
what happened. But they start, start for the Jaguars right now,
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I think they'd go. But I I could see the
guard the Jaguars or the steel Is going out and
giving you a fifth round pick and using him in
a I wouldn't call it a backup role. You put
the kid out there. If he's doing fine, then you
put Manning in. If he catches lightning in the bottle,
you're starting him in the next year. UM. I think
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both of those things are reasonable destinations at the at
the present time. UM. And I think that if Manning
looks in the mirror, he should want to go. I
totally agree, unless he was fine staying on the sidelines here.
I mean, I just think that if I told you
that I thought it was going to be the second
core second half of the Buffalo game because I knew
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they were gonna lose in Dallas. I think that I
didn't expect the defense to be so pathetic, which took
the pressure off Manning. But the Buffalo game was exactly
what I expected. And if Sherman had any freedom, you know,
Shermer is like a bad hospital administrator as a coach.
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You know, he just, you know, whatever they tell him
to do, he does. He he is absolutely I don't
know what he was watching, and he got away with it.
But after Buffalo walked down the field three times, they
get the ball with a minute forty at their own
thirty five yard lines, and he's calling time outs like
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we have a pass for us, like he wants our
defense on the field. When they said time out in
New York, I like looked at my my son and
my friend rich Glass and they go, what is going
on here? And then he called another time out? I said,
doesn't he realize that buff gets the ball first, that
this could have been a thirty five to seven game
party Ova. And then what happens is miracle the miracles.
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The Giants defense holds, they get a great punt return,
next thing, you know, interception interception. It's like you can't
make it up. Would you have called those time outs
after you watched them? They just went a hundred and
eight yards on a drive they started at the two,
They had a holding penalty. They went a hundred and
eight yards for the last touchdown and the Giants didn't
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even stop him. It was too hand touch, but it
would have just gotten off the field at that point.
You get off the field and get home. That's a
case where it works out, but it's the wrong decision
because you you just try to go in at halftime
and say, we'll make some adjustments, we'll figure it out.
You know, we'll take a deep breath and do do so.
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But you know, and and I think again McDermott just
doesn't have confident and yet and Josh Allen two basically
just let him go and that's fine, And and he
just wanted to make sure that he won the game,
which obviously they did. We mentioned Big Ben and of
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his first Steelers he's out for this season with that
elbow injury. Drew Brees out for a while with a
thumb in six weeks with a ligament, and I mean
the thumb is the most critical thing. It means and
and and ligaments don't have the best blood supply. Um
P T. I mean, I think you're looking at a
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minimum of six weeks. I wouldn't be surprised. That's that's
that today thing. I wouldn't be surprised. If he's on
I R and you're looking Thanksgiving, you're looking so they
have a week nine? By is week ten possible? It's
eight weeks? I think it's gonna be close to the twelve.
If I had to guess, what is what do you
expect to see Teddy Bridgewater as a new study quarterback?
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I mean the last time I saw Teddy bridge were
to play a meaningful game was with Minnesota and that
was four years ago. Um he was so it's so
interesting when you go back, I mean, does he get
better like wine and and more valuable? People were saying
that that was the Blake Bortles Derek Carr draft, and
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people were saying Derek Carr was a going into last
season three years ago, people said that Derek Carr was
an m v P kim last year he was the
buzz pick. Or was it two years and I think
it was two years ago. Two years ago, before the
year before Gruden, he was the hot, the hot quarterback.
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Now you know, he's considered scrappy and he's been considered
the best quarterback in that draft. That was the Blake Bortles,
Eddy Bridgewater and then then Derek carr Um. Teddy Bridgewater
stock fell when he was the Louisville quarterback. A lot
of people said it was because his hands were too small. Um,
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I thought he played Wealth of Minnesota. I didn't think
he was a house on fire. But I think Peyton's
really I don't think he's a great game coach. It
seems like the Saint in the last few minutes, the
Saints have had a lot of long drives, the Lattimore,
the miracle in Minnesota. But I think he's a great preparation,
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game planning coach. You know, perhaps the second best in
football made probably third behind Andy Reid. So I think
that that that Peyton will put him in a good situation.
And and don't forget about Tyson Hill. Taysom Hillsom Hill. Yeah,
Taysom Hill is to play a role. He's gonna be interesting,
He's gonna have a role in the offense and very interesting.
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And that's what I give coaches credit for. Like the
the people who always play say the common thing, they say, well,
how can you take Drew Brees off the field in
shorty audit? Well, because this gives them makes them defend
an extra player. And this is what I think that
the Sherman's who are just cheap and followers never get.
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They can never be creative. For example, I agree that
Landon Collins is not a true safety, but as a
hybrid linebacker in today's NFL, he has a role. I
watched Brill Pepper's basically got annihilated anybody who blocked him.
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It was just like he wound up kenyards back in
the end zone. Um, there are creative ways to use personnel,
and it seems like Belichick figures it out, Peyton figures
it out, and some of these other guys are just regimented.
I totally agree with that. They are just stuck doing
what they do and it doesn't work for someone that
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is a smarter coach, you figure it out the belicheck
Any read Sean Payton. So I'm going to ask you
a question. Your your decision. I'm watching that game. I'm
watching my team flat. Now I got my the kid
who gave everybody some buzz. I'm sitting at home. It's
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twenty one seven the Giant. You go back to the Giants. Now,
back to the Giants. How do you not put Jones
in that game in the second half? Telling you one
person who was on the stadium texting me about this, Okay,
I mean, because I'm playing too. Where if you're gonna
call time outs there? And you actually thought that, you know,
you could see they weren't gonna give Manning a big play. Okay,
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you could see they had him defense. You know, they
knew exactly what you were gonna do. How don't you
change that up? And you know what, I was listening
to his interview, Oh we were right back in that game. No,
you weren't. They just wanted to shorten the clock. Okay,
if you want to say that to the media, you know,
say it. But they were. You were not. And if
you think you were, I seriously doubt you've been a
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coordinator for all the years that you were totally with you,
totally totally with you. I think it's remarkable how the
New York Giants will spend this and and I was
talking to friends yesterday and they said, you know, how
does what is the conversation we want to be at
the end of the year, if and when this team
goes potentially to and fourteen. I'll tell you what it is.
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It's if you see projects from Daniel Jones, they'll fire
James Betcher and David Yedimann will make excuse after excuse,
ever excuses somehow save his job. Well, first of all,
you know, at least Miami's tanking for TUA. Sure it's
a plan. So and has collected a ton of draft
picks on topic that maybe they'll take, like a three
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fifty pound defensive tackle. Why. Um, by the way, the
Beckham deal, and and and and like I said, I
don't think you know, I took the over under. I
staid in the next few years, I thought like Beckham
would get hurt. You know, the Giants have gotten a
lot of nothing for Beckham. Um, I don't see Pepper
as being a game changing player. Dexter Lawrence is going
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going to be you know, your career mid mid lineman
that drifts around. You know, you sign a few, you
get a few, but but not not a difference maker.
And um, you know that's what they got fro him.
Unless I'm missing something nothing, Yeah nothing, Knock didn't missing anything,
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you got nothing. So it's in tonight tonight. What do
you think happens tonight? By the way, that's Cleveland. We've
we find out a lot about Cleveland, because I think
tonight either Cleveland could tattoo and seven. Yeah. I think
if Cleveland is any good, they win this game forty
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five seven, they should, they should. Greg Williams is out
for blood. That guy's out for blood. Dock. We'll see. Well,
I mean, if this game is close, Cleveland is not
going to have a big deal. And and and and
and by the way, everything is broken right in that
division because Pittsburgh is not nearly as good as is
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any of us thoughts any of us thought they were.
They're owing to Baltimore is two and oh, but I
don't think anybody thinks they're a jugnaut. And Cincinnati got
blown out at home by San Francisco. So it's wide
open there for Cleveland. Absolutely, absolutely, Cleveland certainly has as
we'll see what Baker Mayfield and company can do later
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on tonight. Well's continue on with me to get some
other takeaway I think Indianapolis has really bounced back nicely
as your look retiring, Well, give me to an o
right now. They should be to and oh Vinitary announced
anything today. I didn't see anything that he was I
knew what he could have announced. I haven't seen anything.
Well again, their GM has done a great job collecting pieces.
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Excellent John Chris Ballard and and Luck is a truly
special player. But and he really came on as the
season moved along, But so did the whole team last year.
And and I think he's an excellent coach. I think
Frank Rice really gets it. I think very great. Great
the Dog Peterson trade. It's that Maryland education must be
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Maybe maybe BOOMERI Sciasin should become the head coach of
the New York Football Giant. Think he's making enough money
doing when he's doing. I think I think boomers are right.
I don't think you want Randy Etsel though, No, I
do not want them to hire Randy l Speaking of Maryland,
that was easy to see coming. Well, that was so easy.
You know, they play a great, great game and and
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and and then and then that's it and then and
absolutely dut and and you know it's amazing in college
football to have what the difference you we we always
thought that everybody being on television would narrow the playing field,
and to a lot of extent it has. It's made
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a bigger clumb But the difference, the top difference between Alabama, Clemson,
Ohio State, Oklahoma and maybe i'll throw in Georgia and
l s U and the rest, it's a big difference.
It's it's a it's a big difference. It's like you
kind of know that the national champion I just named,
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you know, I'll give you, I'll give you the rest
of the country in in in whatever odds you want
between those teams. Yeah, I still want those teams. I
don't want. I don't want anybody I left out that
you could give a fighting chance. It means to me
one more time. So you have in the essays SEC
really Georgia and album Alabama and potentially L s U has.
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When you look at the number one picks, then you
have Clemson, then you have Ohio State, and then you
have Oklahoma. That's it. And Michigan has been bad. Michigans
have been people late Utah, people light Utah. That's well,
it's got a lot of teams in there that are
in the mix. Are they in the mix for the
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Pack twelve or are they in the mix? I mean
every time a Pack twelve team goes to they get
the you know the game's over by halftime. You can't
make the line high enough. It's like it's like the
Patriot game yesterday. You couldn't make the line high enough. No,
you couldn't have. And now they made it even higher
for next week as Dallas is going to host Miami
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next week twenty one and a half point favorites of
the Dallas Cowboys, and Dallas will cover. You think they
will so many points? I mean, Dallas will cover. I
there's a lot of badness going on in Miami. Um.
And and this is what why I I felt what
I did did is Laura's has already lost the locker
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room down there. Those guys do not want to be there.
When they made those trades to ton of Sell, to Houston, etcetera.
Those guys don't want to be there. And that's a
dangerous way to play football. Um. It's one thing in basketball,
but I've really never seen it in football this early
in the season. And and and and and that's why the
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giants don't. They're the last holdouts out Mara and Gettleman
and Sherma. You know again, I think Shermer is just
your hospital administrator taking orders and and and yes man.
And you know what, Sherman should realize that this is
gonna be his last head coaching spot. And you know,
if he loses, he should lose his own way. He
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should go home tonight, look in the mirror and say,
you know what, I'm gonna be the king of my
own destiny. I may not have the best trojan horses
in the world, but you know what, I'm going to
coach in my way and screw you and put you know,
and and that that would be my attitude right now.
And I'd walk into that room because there's no one
in that room that believes that Eli Manning can extend
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to play that gives him a chance to win, not
a single one. So the and and I may be
delusional to think this, but maybe there's some energy that
goes into that room when somebody sees a giant quarterback
do what every other quarterback in the league can now do. Okay,
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the the only quarterbacks in the league, if you look
at it, that don't have. First of all, Drew Brees
is very nimble and and and has some escapability. But
both him and Brady are tremendously precise. Even Flacco is
more precise than Eli Eli. I don't even you know,
I watched Eli for sixteen years. I don't even know
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what he is. He's not precise for somebody who just
stays in the pocket. He's not a true gun slinger
like Brett Fave. He is kind of an amalgamation that
picked the right time and used to be you know,
the best thing about him is he used to be
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able to make big plays in the at the end
of games and in the playoffs. He's lost the ability
last year to make the big plays at the end
of the game. But when you actually watched him for
four quarters, what really was he? And I'm a fan, Yeah,
he was underwhelming. Has that a good word for it?
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But he's not you see, everybody wants to make him
this grizzled vet like Brady, like Brady esque. He's never
been that. He's never been a precise thrower or a
quick reader of the ball. He always had a little
bit of fall off holding the ball and taking taking
the high risk play. He just does have he you know,
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that's the other thing. They they've surrounded him with smurf
receivers too. You know, Eli Manning was at his best
when he threw the big people like Plaxico Burris in
a Mounti tumor that got some degree of separation and
he heaved the ball down the field. Ever since they
hired Macadoo, they keep on trying to run and slants.
Eli doesn't throw that well, that's not his game. So
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he there's there are a hodgepodge of nonsense, and you know,
I'm not exactly sure what they are, but the point
is Sherman is gonna lose the locker room, you know,
And and that's what's happened in Miami. Ryan Flores through
two weeks and really not even Ryan Flora's faut. He
didn't put these players together. They don't have a talent,
much like the Giants, they just don't have enough talent.
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They don't have talent. But there's also bedlam down there.
You know. He hired fired his offensive coordinator before they
played an exhibition game. It was there the office coin
in their offensive line coach. I thought it was a coordinator,
but I don't think it was there cool. I don't
think it was their coordinator. I think Specialty's coordinators. It
was some He's not offensive, I mean it was it
was craziness down there from the start. You know there
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there's there's there's craziness down there from the start. I mean,
Adam Gays has to be glad until like I guess
his quarterback got mono that he was out of there. Um,
and you know, again that's another interesting situation. What happens
with the Jets tonight? You know, is Adam Gaze on
a one year thing or do you basically have to
Quincy a new I can't pronounce it. Quincy, you know,
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is basically gone and he's never playing again with a
neck injury. He's never playing again. Um, they lose their quarterback,
they lose Quentin Williams, they lose c. J. Moseley. Uh,
and they have a miserable schedule, coming a miserable schedule,
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they're gonna be owing six very very potentially, Oh yeah,
very potentially. I mean tonight's a critical game for them,
and they don't have their horses. No Sam Donald, no
c J. Mosley. Heard a lot oh Jeff fans say today,
including her own day, Martinez is that they're gonna be
c J. Mosley even more so than Sam Donald. Well,
that's based on the fact that Buffalo didn't score a
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point when he was on the field, and then they
scored the seventeen when he was off the field. Couldn't
one linebacker make that much of a difference in that game?
Or was that kind of like a rallying cry and
stuff like that. I mean, I never saw I didn't
even think c J. Moseley was you know, we always
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thought Sugs was the better player on Baltimore and and
and other people on Baltimore. We always thought he was
a nice accessory. But we never looked at him as
being um J. J. Watt like a wrecking crew or
Lawrence Taylor or or or somebody that we had to
double team, or Von Miller. I mean, did you know,
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certainly not. I mean, I think he's you know, he's
being overrated by their intangibles, and you know, you you
hope that. What's interesting is that Trevis Simmeon has the
exact same quarterback rating, He has a better record in
the NFL, the same exact rating as Sam Donald. It
really isn't that much. I mean, I understand Donald has
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a much higher upside. He's he's the fantasy, but is
there that big of a drop off today tonight. That's
what we're talking about all day long, probably not just today.
We're think about going forward, the future potential. We're not
talking about We're not talking about about what you think honestly,
So go the NFL. I think Dallas is better excellent team.
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I think they're really good Philadelphia, you know, and that
that's one of the things is is is you look
at these teams. You know, Dallas isn't a nice shot
a chance because they won two division games, But the
other teams, you know, the Giants haven't played at home
division games. You know, the season's not over. Other than
they stink, not the issue, that's the issue. Very bad.
You know. You look at green Bay's gotten off two
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and oh and not looked very impressive doing it. Two
good teams though, I think, well, you think Chicago's Gouda
did everything go right for them? No, I think their
defense is really good. Okay, their defens is really good.
They allowed Flacco to walk down the field and school
yesterday and then get the two points I did version
and and it seems like everybody hates Draubitsky, Yes, do you?
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I don't know. I think he's athletic and makes plays
when he has to. I don't think he's a very
acturate thrower of the ball. I think he runs again escapability.
He figured out a way to to to make the
one play when he had to make it yesterday. Um,
I think everyone's further down on him than than what
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he deserves to be perfectly honest, Yeah, I don't know.
That is a very little confident in him. He did
drive the team down the field yesterday to win the
game ultimately, and eveniro it's the fifty plus yarder Matt
Neggie and the Bears fans go nuts. I'm not sold
on little Drosky. What do you think of Matthew Stafford.
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I think he's on the wrong downside of his career.
I think we saw Pete Stafford a few years ago.
It's tough a year for him. Give you know, they're
one oh and one, believe it or not. They undefeated,
have big win for them in that Patricia and Arizona.
You know, besides the fact that the Cliff Kings bearer
can't go for it like no one his offense. You know,
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they have fun with Kyler Murray, but you know somebody
should teach him clock management and that that touchdowns or
were seven points and field goals of worked three r
But Arizona has been in both games. Arizona was my
lock in the day. Yesterday I liked Arizona too, that
was my thirteen and a half points. Wait, your favorite
bets of Cleveland and Arizona's Your favorite were Arizona and
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Indie India also cover. How do you like the game tonight? Tonight?
I don't really have a field for it. I know
Gabe is on the Jets because he doesn't think that.
As we were just saying San Donald's and all that
special essentially. You see. The thing is, though, I think
Cleveland wants to go for the jugular and if they
score points, the Jets can't score point. That's true. We'll
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see their defenses, you know, I I think that they can't.
You know, the Jets aren't goa if Cleveland puts up
thirty five points, I'm not surprised. I don't think the
Jets quarterbacks can cover Beckham. You know, I've been saying
all along that whoever wins the offseason doesn't win the
regular season always, okay, always, Nick Chubb, Beckham and Landry.
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I think it's just too much for the Jets to defend.
And I just don't think the Jets are gonna put
up twenty. I don't see how it's possible for them
to do that with this quarterback, with this offense. I
think Cleveland's just I think Cleveland's too much. I think
they matched them. I if I had to think, and
I don't want to, I think Cleveland covers I do.
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So I'm gonna move on to baseball ahead. You know again,
I think that um. You know, Mets have had a
fun season, probably to some extent, came to an end
last time. If you look at the new year, Buck Mets,
are you optimistic in the future that you have Alonso
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McNeil Inforto, J D. Davis, i'mine Rosario, Or are you
pessimistic because you had a year where your starting pitches
stayed healthy? You know, they really, probably more so than
any other baseball team, They've had their big pitches stay healthy.
You can look at it. They got a career air
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year from Will Wilson Ramos. Offensively, they got a career
year from J. D. Davis. Who the hell was J D. Davis?
We have no idea if this was real and not.
Alonso and McNeil were better than anybody could have ever anticipated.
I'd say Conforto had his Conforto years, where certain weeks
he's the best player in baseball. Certain weeks he can
hit the side of a bond. Certainly, you know, you know,
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because he's at thirty home runs for three years. So
I'd say the Conforto is pretty safe and Rosira has
moved ahead and they're still not going to make the playoffs.
Where do you come down on that? I think it
was a I think it was a good year for
the Mets. They competed, how are still competing through September,
and they've been fun. They're a likable team. They are
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they become likable. They become likable. They've gone from an
unlikable team like like right now, and this is what
you hope Daniel Jones brings. The Giants are not a
likable team, Okay, they've become The Mets have become a
really likable it's fun. They've become fun because they went
on those because they were so bad, so bad, and
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they turned it on and the young players and started
performing really, really well, and if they had any relief pitching,
they could they could be making a run at anything.
Correct now, I think it's a successful year, and I
think next year should be even more successful because another
year of these some of these younger guys, and the
pitching is all still gonna be there. It's not changing.
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So I think that the immediate future is bright. The
long inter future it means to be seen. Now what
I thought this weekend when you saw the Dodges come
in with a relatively hot and I think, actually, the
Mets have a decent lineup right now with Nemo and
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you saw how they put Kershure you and Deler and
you know each game was besides the first one where
the Dodges pulled away Nippin Tuck. I think this is
where the Yankees. You know, the Yankees are talking about Tanaka.
Oh we got Tanaka and Paxson and then you know
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we're gonna go by committee. First of all, I don't
see Tanaka throwing seven shutout anything. I mean, I know
he has I know he has risen. I think he's
due to revert to the mean because he has his
games where the balls just flies out of the ballpark. Paxson,
I think has more talent. You didn't pitch well Saturday.
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I I think that the Yankees are in trouble against
Houston and the Dodges. Of course they are. Of course
they are. Oh there's any question about that, Doc Well,
I mean, you know, most people don't say that. And
that's that was my criticism of of Brian Cashman. And
I think you agreed with me. I'm pitching. No, they
have pitching. They don't have horses. They don't have top
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horses at the top of the rotation. They don't have
people that can match. You know, if Granky throws eight
shutout innings against them, you know they're gonna they're gonna
see Granky whole and Verlanda and my my guess is
they're going to be playing golf with me. Well, let's
hope that the Astros somehow get eliminated before they see
the Yankees. How's that that may work, and you Twins
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somehow out slug them. It's boom a. But I don't
think that's happening, not now. I don't think the Twins
are good enough to keep the Astros off the board.
No of course not, but a man can pray, Doc.
But I mean, I think that's what I saw when
the Dodges, and I think that one of the things
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that I think the Dodgers will do and the Astros
will do is they will have their pitching well rested
into this playoffs, which I think is different than any
other year that we've had. I mean, there's all of
the baseball. I don't remember baseball being this top heavy.
It never never this top heavy where there are just
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so many bad teams. I don't remember being and and
and basically, okay, you know, you know you're playing for
one game home field advantage, but basically, everybody's going to
be able to rest their pitching coming in. Everybody, all
the big teams will get an opportunity to set up
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their rotations right and be ready for the playoffs. And
I look at the MLV standings right now. The oh
look at the overall the best record of league. The
New York Yankees are hide with the Astros both one
game ahead of the Dodgers for the record for the
best record in Major League Baseball. But that has no
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bearing because the winner of the World of the All
Star Game gets there. They got rid of that. They
got rid of that already, so it does have a
bearing still. But also it's bearing because you avoid the
Twins in the first round in the in the American League.
I think that's a big deal. I do, I do.
I think the Twins are significantly better than uh, whoever
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the wild card will be, whoever the wild card winner
will be. As you look at the wild card Cleveland, Oakland,
Tampa Bay right, one of those three teams, I'm much
rather face them than face the Twins. Twins are good, Doc,
They're very good. Wins can hit, but really well, I
don't know who's really at the top of their rotation.
They could hit, they could hit. I mean, I think
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that you're really looking at the Yankees used I'd be
shocked if you're not. And I think in the NL,
I think that you know, Washington will have a But
do you want to do the Yankees at home field
advantage against Houston? Oh, the Yankees definitely need home field
advantage and they are tied right now with just a
week or two left to play. Well, the Yankees are
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gonna pitch seven, you know, I guess tomorrow night, that's right.
And they got patances back, that's right. I mean, the
Yankees are gonna try to win with a lot of quality,
but without the true stud on top. That's exactly what
they're trying to do yesterday. Yesterday's loss was very, very frustrating.
You can't lose that game to the Toronto Blue Jays.
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Can't do it. These Patances. Listen, you got you got
to shut us out of Thetances, which was nice. Jordan
Montgomery pitched, which was nice. Who's the Dodgers competition in
the end? Nobody the Nationals. Maybe the Braves. That's it
to me. The Braves have a good lineup and a
good picturing. The Braves have a very very very good
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line up. And so I mean the wild card game
looks like it looks like either it's gonna be Washington
against the Cubs on the wall the game. Did Joe
Manni get fired at the end of the season, Well,
my immediate impulse if he does was to hire him
for for New York. But I'm going to take a
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step back of where I just said. Is a the
Mets have played hard for callaway back and whatever it is,
I think he's tittally d and tittally dumb. Sometimes but
one is he's kept their pictures healthy, and I have
to give him some credit for that. It is he
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kept his pitches healthy in Cleveland, He's kept his pitches
healthy in New York, and they weren't always healthy. I mean,
we've we've seen these great staffs dissipate very very quickly.
He's managed to get these guys a lot of work
and keep them healthy, relatively healthy for the last two years.
I have to give him some credit for that. I
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think they don't know that he's back. Next year. Though
they don't know that he's back, I think he's definitely
back because I think the Mets look at this is
an up year and that may be a state on
of on the willpons that they're playing meaningful baseball in
September and their pictures have been healthy. Um, and you know,
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I honestly thought that through the course of the year,
he's probably become more of Brodie's guy. Rody had every opportunity.
I mean, we fired him here after they got shopped
by the mall in Okay, I fired him too, And
if if Brodie's attitude was going to be that he's
not my guy, that would have been the time where
he said sayonara. So now after this second half, First
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of all, if you replace him, you basically have to
go Girardi or a Madden or somebody up. So, okay,
you have naming names. You have to go with somebody
who has a resume. You can't hire the up and
coming guy. That's what Mickey Callaway. Can't hire a Gabe kapla,
no God, Now okay, you can't hire You have to
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hire somebody who has a resume. Right, So I think
the met fans not. First of all, there's not gonna
be anybody picketing if if they fire Mickey Callaway. But
I mean, honestly, I think he deserves another year. You
don't when you take a step because I think I
think every man the problem is if and when things
ultimately go wrong next year and then it'll be a
slump s no doubt, go for his head. Then they
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don't trust him, they don't believe in him. I know
he held the team together this year. I know the
second half of the year has been really really fun
for met fans, and it has, But I don't think
Mickey Callaway is the guy. Okay, So you go out
and get your ruddy correct, that's exactly what I do.
And he he manages a bullpen very well. So Mickey
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Callaway has listen, I have no you know, I said
that the Mets go out and get Gerardi's a New
York guys. This is you know, he only wants two jobs,
the Mets the Cubs are the Cubs, and I thought
he wanted the Cub job. But if you listen to
his interviews now he's singing the Mets praises, you know what.
I think he also just likes and we never talked
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about this part. He lives in New York, he lives here,
lives in Purchase. He lives in Purchase, but he was
born and you know, he's just he went to Northwestern
as well, and his kids are older and and stuff
like that. But like now you don't have to move.
I don't know. I mean the Mets. Well, the Mets
paid Girardi money. That's the big question. Can Brody convinced
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him to pay Girardi money? And then for any of
these guys, for madd In, for social for girorarity, you
have to pay. You can't get it by with what
you're paying Mickey Callaway, which is like peanuts for managers,
you know, because the Mets need an athletic outfielder. You know,
they should keep Nemo because his value is going to
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be very, very low. But they're still on top of that.
They need a right handed athletic outfielder. And don't tell
me it's going to be cespitous, Okay, despitous. If you
get anything from him, it's extra and I think you can't.
And then they need to put tons of money in
the bullpen. I think that they should try to bring
back Wheeler how much market value, which is what I
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would say, you're on the market than the Garrett Cole.
I think Will is going to get you know, three,
three year sixty million. I think he signs for longer.
I think he signs for four and eight. Probably did
you do that? I think so. I mean I think
in today's Markett you kind of have to. I mean,
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you're in for a dime. I mean, you know, listen,
the Mets window of opportunity is truly next year. That's it.
Oh yeah, it's true, it's truly next year. I mean,
you know, you you you go out and you have
to figure out the ballpen. You have to figure out
the ballpen. You also, they try and they they had
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all these pieces. None of them worked. Your other option
is to start Lugo right, Okay, because for some reason,
you know this logo camp pitch two days. I've never
heard of that in a relief picture. But again, they
seem to know what they're doing, So maybe he is
more fit to pitch on a regular schedule. He's a
valuable asset. He you know last night, except he had
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He's had a wonderful year for them. Um, I mean
I think that you can't come back with familiar and Diaz.
I mean, you have no choice but to come back
with Dias and hope he figures it. Obviously, his value
is too low to move right, so you have to
hope that he comes back and that this was just
an anomaly, that he's tipping his pictures or something. I
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have no idea, but I figured it out. Who wins
the World Series? Dodgers. Good pick because you look at
the National League being correct, they gotta by the way.
If they don't, it's a it's a bad year. It
is World Series two straight years. Gotta you gotta come
away with a wain at some point. Okay, Antonio Brown,
what do you do with him? I think the Patriots
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have dug their grave here until until there is, until
the NFL suspends him. They're not going to What do
you do if you're Roger Gal if I'm Roger Goodell, like,
don't you have to kind of let the legal process
play out? You spend it too despite no process playing out?
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You know, again, I think that it's a very you know,
we tend to cluster black hat white hat, and there's
so much coming out that most of us, even though
we don't know him, don't think Antonio Brown is a
great guy. Yeah, that probably should be kept out of it.
But I think it's a very dangerous precedent if you
suspend somebody to put him on the exemple list when
there's not even a criminal investigation, because you know what happens.
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You know what happens, like when Pat Mahomes is coming
to uh play a playoff game, somebody could just allge
something about him that's absolutely terrible. I mean, and I'm
you know, and I'm not saying Pat Mahomes ever did anything,
but but that if there's not even a criminal complaint,
how do you take that to the next level? So
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she comes into the NFL, and she says he did
these bad things. How do you corroborate that? And if
it was so bad, why was it three times? Why
didn't you go file a police report? Okay, okay, you know,
I think it's a very dangerous precedent that anybody who
makes an allegation it would lead to a definitive an
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action that that that hurts another person. So I think
that we're willing to tolerate that because in our mind
we don't look at Antonio Brown as being a sympathetic figure.
But that really shouldn't weigh into the debate. I agree,
it's it's it's very hard. It's it's very very hard.
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This guy is not a good guy. Is there not
to play? I asked, the legal process has to play
out with that. With that, you're trying to do it tonight.
With that, we're gonna say good night for tonight. So
let's do our final score on Monday Night football. Okay,
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this is remember Howard co Sel Monday Night football. We're
at the New York MetLife Stadium, that Life Stadium. You know,
I miss him because you know what he did. It
was great. As I'd sit at home, he'd make everything
sound like it was an event, and he was. You know,
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I I met him a bunch of times because my
dad was in sports media. There was not a more catankerous,
dislikable human being but on the air. And he wasn't
a great commentator, but he was able to frame things
to make you feel like you were where all the
act was tonight that Monday Night football was bigger when
Howard Coastell was in. Howard Howard Coastell was always that voice,
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brought out everybody right for everything, for every event he
did was bigger because of him. Final score to Night Doc,
I think it's uh Cleveland fourteen. I will go with
twenty seven thirteen Cleveland Browns. We both have the brown.
He's not a Mitch rosalind I am Greg Sauceman. Check
out all over other episodes on demand. All you gotta
(52:31):
do search Doc, Jock, have a great night. We'll see tomorrow.
Next time.
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