September 23, 2019 • 50 mins
In the latest episode of Doc Jock, Dr. Mitchell Roslin and Gregg Sussman gush over Daniel Jones' NFL debut, discuss the severity of Saquon Barkley's ankle sprain and wonder what's truly going on inside the mind of Antonio Brown.
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What is of everybody? He's Dr Jel rosalind I am
Greg Sussman in this is Doc Jack do What's happening man?
A lot of things. It was a phenomenal sports weekend.
I guess we learned that Bill Belichick can still coach,
but he can't cure a mental illness. Um, and it,
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you know, a lot of the things that we've been
talking about for the last two years kind of came
to fruition as we watched an incredible you know, I
really think that was a phenomenal first game performance by
Daniel Jones. I mean, you couldn't have written a better script.
Let's start right there with Danny Dimess NFL debut, accounted
for four touchdowns through for over three hundred yards. Most
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importantly the Giants. They get a victory thanks to a
miss thirty four year thirty four yards in two extra
points that two action points that will miss. Okay, and
you know again it can't be fooled that the Giants
are a good team. But um, when everybody left MetLife
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Stadium the week before when they lost to Buffalo, there
was absolutely no juice in the building. There was no
reason to watch this team. We had seen this script
before we knew where this was going and putting I
said that he was going to lose the locker room
if you didn't put Jones in the game. And I said,
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I predicted before the season started it would be halfway
in Buffalo. And I think that, um it, there was
just no choice. There was just no energy in the Giants.
It we we've seen this before, and you know, it's
really interesting. Um. Dead Spin had a great auticle about
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Eli Manning and Eli Manning is going to go down
as um either the best average quarterback of all time
or the worst great quarterback of all time, depending on
what your vantage point was. But they wrote about why
the Giants were slow, low, slow on the trigger and
what was the kind of psychology of that, which I
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think is kind of interesting and the best way I
can explain it is that Eli has failed the eye
test his whole career, but for somehow managed to make
the big play, managed to rise to the moment, so
that kind of the delusional people within the organization thought
he had one more run all the time, and you
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really clinked walk them out of it, because it's not like,
for example, if you look at their franchise that they
had gone through the usual growth and then won a
Super Bowl, similar to what they did in the eighties
six Super Bowl team. It was almost like they brought
a lottery ticket and they won the lottery twice, and
so why won't you think that you're gonna win the
lottery a third time, especially when you failed the eye test.
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And it's kind of an interesting spin on it from
dead Spin. You know, I saw Eli actually only one
playoff games the year they went to the Super Bowl.
He's never won another playoff game any other year of
his career. It's thirteen out of the fifteen years of
his career zero playoff wins outside of the Super Bowl,
which I think is interesting. He brought up the fact
that now that Daniel Jones is starting, there was juice.
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There was juice going in the yesterday's Giant game. There's
obviously jews for me out of the game. I as
a Giants fan, I'm gonna tell you the last time
I had that much fun watching a Giants game. Yeah,
I can the Super Bowl, but seriously, since that Super Bowl, right,
probably not even leaving in the super Bowl. It was
probably the games before the Super Bowl when they got
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to the super Bowl because by the time they got
to the Super Bowl both times they were playing with
house money. Sure, you know it was it was you know,
we used to joke around, what's gonna what's gonna happen
first in all lifetime, we'll see a giant quarterback run
for a touchdown? Or will they get jailed? Cheerleaders? Um,
And yesterday's game was like, Wow, our team is doing
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to other teams what everybody's done for us to the
last god knows how many years, you know, you know,
Tampa played good defense on everybody was covered on the
last play, but Daniel Jones looked him off and saw
an open field and he took it. Not to say
when it was a twelve three game, perhaps one of
the biggest players in the game was that third down
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where he extends the drive. Because twelve three, the Giants
has been party over, party over, and everybody's concentrating on
his legs. He's also more accurate, you know, he hit
Ingram right on the run. That's the thing that Eli
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has never been. He's he's having watched him probably play
one minutes than any quarterback that I've seen in my lifetime.
He's still the hottest to describe. Um, he's defined by
growing perhaps the greatest pass of all time to manning
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him down the sidelines. I'm not talking about Tyrene when
he you know, which was you might as well which
was a Lamar Jackson play, You might as well throw
it up and help something good happens. Um. But the
throw he made to Manningham, you know, into that window,
might have been one of the greatest pressure throws in
the history of football. But you take some of those throws.
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He's not accurate like Breeze was or Montana where he
puts people on the line, He's not. He doesn't he
didn't make the big play like Brett fall Of What
Eli was was magical at certain times in his career
for unknown reasons. Eli was magical in those moments, and
he was a man of moments, and that defines his career.
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All of fame conversations and conversations going on right now.
Giving it he's a five hundred, his record is once
his teen once the definitively a Hall of Fame. I
played for eighteen years, won two Super bowl I don't know.
I think that as you move away from it, you know,
you know again at the end of the day, you
would trade everything to get to the altar. And he
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got to the altar twice, definitely, And and he got
to the altar two out of sixteen years. That's ten
percent more than ten percent of his career. And and
you know, especially in this time, in this game which
is defined by championships as opposed to longevity, Philip Rivers
has never gotten to the altar. I would take two
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super Bowl championships over the long resident. That is certainly
a positive spin. That is certainly the reason in the
case to be made for Eli. Those two runs, those
two huge victories in the Super Bowl, two Super Bowl
vps where you think he should and and and the
teams that have absolutely the highest winning percentage ever. You know,
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the Green Bay team was he the fourteen A two
or fifteen and one. The Dallas team that they beat
two had a high reckon. Let's not forgetting New England
was undefeated. So in the historical perspective of football, you know,
that being said, he failed the eye test more often.
And that's why the people within that building was so
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hesitant to pull the plug, because they were delusional about
the magic. You know, remember the when the Mets stunk.
The magic is back, you know, they thought that the
magic could come back, but there's no rational way for
that to happen. And I think yesterday was clear because
anybody who's watched football knows that when the Giants were down,
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not only were we going to be watching red zone,
but all of the players would have had their bags
packed to get on the plane to go home. Well,
I just think with a beat down now that Eli
didn't get up after every hit, because he did for
the entirety of his career. But the ability of Daniel Jones,
and this is everything that you've heard, I'm up putting
the guy in the Hall of Fame yet I want to,
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but his ability to move around the pocket and create
with something we have not seen because more more than that,
with him, he processes very quickly. Definitely, he's very accurate
with the ball. Is one downside that I saw is
that I think you know he once got pounded from
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the back side. He's sometimes not aware of what's coming
from behind. So I'm glad you say that. Sean Guastamaki
and I were talking downstairs earlier today and the one
down say that we saw is very very similar that
for whatever reason. At this point in his career, he
doesn't feel pressure. He doesn't like he doesn't feel it
coming or see it coming. He's in the back of
his eyes. Now. Obviously, as you get older and as
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it slows down, that internal clock flows down, you understand
it better. Now. He is fearless. He will just stand
in there and stand in there and make the picture
picture perfect throw. But a couple of times yesterday people
came around the back side causing the fumble and hit
him from behind. That that's one. And also when he
takes off, he's sometimes unaware of who's I mean from
behind definitely, and that's because he has his eyes down field.
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He's got to be a little bit more decisive of
when to take off, just like he did on that
last play of the game and get down. You don't
always need to have your eyes down field like that.
That being said, he is, when you think about it,
the prototypical and quarterback that you would want in this generation.
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Because he's tall, he can see over the line, he's
incredibly accurate. He's not a running quarterback. But if you
play man to man and everybody goes, he can take off.
And that's what I think you really really really want.
I mean, that's kind of what would you describe Aaron
Rodgers as a running quarterback? Very similar exactly, you know,
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totally agree, say with Andrew Luck. And you know when
people say he reminds them of Eli, they're out of
their mind. I mean, I know the personality, I mean
personality wise maybe, but he looks as well. Yeah, that's
it's incredible that that that part of ridiculous. It is
absolutely incredible. But he reminds me more of Cosstion Wentz.
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I was about to say that than absolutely than than
you Li Manic. And the thing about him is he processes.
You know when you saw early on he processes very
very very quickly. He processes much better than Donald does.
To be perfectly I agree with that much, you know,
but to be perfectly honest about that, and um, you know,
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he very bright kid, not just because he went to
Duke and he also was recruited to play Division one basketball.
So he's not a fluke athlete. No, he's he's athletic.
And that was something that very quickly was dismissed during
the draft, that oh, he's not athletic. But if you
just watched any tape. He's athletic. Yeah, you know, there's
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only two people that loved him coming in that I
knew of in the draft, Dave Gentleman and my friend
Rich Gladstone. So I had to go to Rich Gladstone's
house to watch this. But Rich Gladstone, who went to Duke,
was like screaming that the Giant should draft Daniel Jones.
Draft Daniel Jones, draft Daniel Jones. So it was like,
you know, when when when when he took when he
rolled to his left and hit Slayton coming across the middle,
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I thought, I thought Rich Gladstone was going to lose it,
and he dives there you go, Yeah, I gotta go.
You know, you know you can't find a Daniel Jones
jersey for in the youth size in New York City.
Gotta order it online. Sure this time next week you'll
be able to you know, you just you just like that.
You just can't can't, you can't get it. But across
the street, model's I don't think this. Daniel Jones should
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probably get you like manny, but you can't. You can't
get you like cheap. And it's funny because you came
in here today when you when you when you got
to the studio. You know, it's amazing. You're feeling good,
and you can see it right, you can see it me.
You can see you. You're excited. And yet this is
a win that that's great, you'll take it. The defense
is horrific, and the Giants lost their best player for
at least the next month. This is what I wanted
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to get into him. So Nagon Barkley very clearly has
the high ankles for and they were hoping it would
be a mild high ankle sprain that keep him out
two to four weeks. Instead, it's more significant. It's more
not four to six, it's six to eight weeks from
what I'm seeing, at least what you're the doctor, if
you describe the difference between a high ankle sprain and
a low ankle sprain and why this is so much
more painful because you can't stabilize the high ankle strain,
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you know, low ankle sprain. First of all, what an
ankle sprain is is basically a partial ligament or could
be a complete ligament, tear of of the the ankles
on the outside, not not not the the Achilles and
flexibility and a low ankle sprain is very painful, but
you can stabilize the ankle and if people have a
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high tolerance for it, they can play in a few
weeks with it. Basically put a walking boot on, stabilized
and well also you can tape it in in in
in for the game. You you can give external support.
A high ankle sprain is higher, the ligaments are more stretched,
and and and you know you're really looking at a
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to twelve weeks with something an injury to twelve weeks
or something, an injury like that. Um, and it's a
very tough injury for somebody like Balkley that cuts left
and right and and basically as a jitterbug, I mean,
and and you really want to get that right because
what makes him so special, and you really don't want
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to take his cutting ability away. Um, you know, he's
not a straight ahead type player. So I think you're
looking at eight weeks. Is is is a bare minimum.
We'll see about that. Tevin Coleman, we just recently had
a high ankle sprain. Uh, he shed his walking mood
last week. The forty niners have a by this week
they come back week five, that would be about four weeks. Obviously,
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every ankle sprain is different, depends on how much you
want to push it. And again, I haven't seen the
m r I and you know in Buckley's past he's
been a very very fast healer. Is in in great shape.
I mean, but I think if you're the Giants, you're
really not gonna push this. You know, you're looking for
sticks to aid at a bare minimum, and I think
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eight to twelve is is possibly more realistic. And then
you see where you are, you know, in the season,
and decide what to do from there. Absolutely, and we'll
we'll see about se Quan and his availability wing golling
out the sort for the New York Giants going forward.
This team certainly needs to influx of talent on the
defensive side of the ball. There's not enough. They're They're awful.
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They're awful. I mean, even even when they came back
to win, they just threw it over the top of
presumably their best player. I mean, you know, again, what
they hope to do yesterday was have Jenkins take Evans
out of the game. But what Evans did is he
actually took Jenkins out of the game, and and and
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and protect everybody else I mean, what you hope is
that they're the youngest defense in in the NFL and
that they actually get better, just not a week older
per week. Um. They did play slightly better in the
second half yesterday, and they did make some meaningful stops
which they didn't make the week before against Buffalo. Um,
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what's there? What's there to say? I mean, I think
they did derive some juice from the offensive side of
the ball. And and and the other big difference was
that Jones got touchdowns and he didn't. And and people
we're gonna talk about the runs and really, you know
the place that he made out of the pocket, But
what about in the pocket the throw he made to
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Shepherd for the touchdown, this second touchdown of the of
of the that made in the corner of the end zone.
That was a professional throw that that very few quarterbacks
in the NFL could make. Um on a regular basis.
I mean, that's not that's not a throw that case
Keenom's of the world can make. That's where you really
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you know, and people who talked about his on straight
he hummed that thing about the only place that could
be caught. And I think that's what was lost with
his athleticism is the placement on his ball was much
better than you usually see a young quarterback make. I
mean he you know, people have forgotten to play that
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button back in the game was to Evan Ingram. He
hit him dead dead and stride. I mean that was
like a montanais, you know, throw right on stride. He
made a lot of throws right on stride, which was
another thing that I think the Giants receivers have had.
You know, the throw would be just behind them, just
in front of them. I think, you know Cleveland's going
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through some of that right now. I don't think Mayfield.
I thought I went to the game last Monday night
and I thought Mayfield was got awful. I mean, the
Jets couldn't have scored if it was you know, it
took a hundred years. And yes, the throw to Beckham
was right on the money, but he missed open receivers
left and right. And you know that teams in a
little bit of h Yeah, glad you brought up the
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Browns because I watched all of Monday sunthing night football
last night and for and you talk about this a
lot about winning the off season and how you that
rarely translates to winning in this season. And I think
some really smart people were on this. Right, Like, you
get Odell Becko, and like that's awesome, Right, you have
the you you bring in all of this talent the
defensive side, and that's awesome. But to do so, you've
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torn apart your offensive line and it's gonna be impossible
if Maker Mayfield get the ball out. It's to be
impossible for to get the ball if you don't have
an offensive line. And it's actually remarkable to me the
job that Freddy Kitchens is doing in a negative fashion
because you're bringing Odell, you're not getting in the ball
nearly enough. It's the same problems that happened in New
York with the offensive line and Eli not being able
to do anything and the same eleven formation that Ben
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McAdoo ran. That's what Freddy Kitchens is running. I hate
to say this, but through three weeks Freddy kitches his
way in over his head. Well, I think that's a problem.
And that was predictable, right, I mean, there was nothing
in his resume. He went from a position coach um
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John Dorsey has a history of Listen, the Chiefs have
gotten most things right and they showed him the door.
That's negative. That's a negative sign. Yeah, And there's a
difference between it's the players that you and I never
heard of that make football teams often not the sizzle.
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You know, Basketball is a sizzle sport. You can't win
unless you have your your sizzle. Okay, you're not gonna
win with players we haven't heard of. Okay, Hockey and football,
you need your stars to play well, but you need
next man up to really really be better than you think.
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The depth of your organization, especially when we look at
think about what you said, Backley's out, the safety on
um who who Atlanta lost there? Yeah, lost their safety?
Who tour as Achilles attendant? I mean, football is a
war of attrition through the course of the year. Now
it's there are injuries and injuries, and there are certain
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players like A Balkley's irreplaceable, A Brady is irreplaceable, and
Aaron Rodgers is irreplaceable to the Giants right now, although
not in the same level Daniel Jones would be irreplaceable,
which is what we we we we we we we
talked about there. But you need your line. I mean
most games one at the line, whether your offensive line
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and your defensive line dominate the line of scrimmage. And
that's how how most games are one. Yet we don't
see that. We have no idea how good Kevin Zeitler
is unless you're watching game tape and really cluing in.
And how much Cleveland trading him for Olivia Vernon hurt
their offensive line. Obviously, certainly so last night helps there
on the defensive side of the ball. But you know,
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anybody probably didn't make that many plays and they already
had my Garrett, and and and and and Vernon is
is you know, to Garrett, you know, extremely light version
of it. But he's really not a great run player
or a great He's not good enough to lift the defense.
You know that Giants found that out the hard way
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when they paid him a lot of money, no doubt,
no doubt that it paid him a crap ton of money.
Wasn't able to say on the field, had a nice motor,
but did do what they certainly needed for all of that.
I mean, that was the strangest thing. And it's how
you look at it. When they signed him from Miami,
they said his best statistic is he lad the league
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in pressures, but very rarely got sacks. So now just
think about it. If you block him a little more,
he slows down, announced then he's not even gonna get
the pressures. You know, they took it as oh, he's
on the verge because he's getting all these pressures, but
he can't finish. I think finishing is a skill in itself.
And by the way, Aaron Donald just kind of wrecked
the game for kind of what he does. He his
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wreck Cleveland's game, and that is well, if you're if
you're we we've bashed him up the Ying Yang and
deservedly so. But if you're Dave Gettleman yesterday night, you
can say two things. One is he believes in strength
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up the middle as opposed to everybody always having you know,
the pass rush from the outside. And he believes that
you attack up the middle and defensive tackles are more
important than then per se the ends. Well, Aaron Donald
certainly gave him a pad on the back. He also
believes that you want bigger quarterbacks that can see over
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the line and and you know that are or are
accurate passes. So from you know, from a scouts eye,
he had a pretty good day yesterday. From a salary
cap version. He still needs a lot to pretend to
be desired. Yeah, he's he's not all good at that.
And it's interesting because I saw all the gifts and
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all the comments on Twitter last night, and it was
he's gonna walk in with the shot into the office
today feeling all great, you're even staks man like. It
is horrific, one of the worst I've ever seen. Your
defense stinks And why bring Eli back for twenty million dollars?
We'd all seen enough. I mean, if you really weren't sure,
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and nobody could have been sure that Daniel Jones is
ready to start. But I mean there's always a case
keenan to to find or I Rod Taylor, who's a
backup that that that that could start start for an hour?
And you know, in in terms of another person that
that that that's you know, had an interesting career in
and and the things he had to say that I
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was listening to last week is he's considered the sports
pope in New York, Mike Francisca. And he's probably the
same age as as I am. So yeah, he's proba,
probably late fifties. I think he's much older than that.
Maybe he's a few years older than me, but so
he's he's you know, I guess a generation older. He
was saying that, you know, you can't win. I don't
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know what he's watching. I mean, you can't win with
a young quarterback. And the best thing about first year
quarterbacks as they become second year quarterback. I don't know
what he's been watching the last few years. I mean,
Washington won with Robert Griffith. I know he got hurt
and was never the same player again, but they won
in the first year. Yeah, okay, Andrew luck was fined
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in his first year. Russell Wilson played in the playoffs
in his first year, and I yes, I know that
they became less of a running team and would dependent
with Russell Wilson as you've gone on mahomes for all
intensive purposes. You know, held the clipboard for one year
and played one game at the end of the season
was lights out, Lamar Jackson. Maybe he wasn't your cup
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of tea throwing the ball. He was still what was
he six and one as a starting quarterback last last year? Okay, um,
I don't know what he's watching. I actually think it's
gone the other way with quarterbacks, which is if you're
not good early, maybe they're not going to give you
as long a leash. You're never going to You're never
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going to make it. You even look at somebody like
Josh Rosen, who suppose I didn't see that. I don't
think anybody watched the Dallas Miami game but supposedly didn't
play horrendously. But people didn't. He didn't. He didn't look
bad at all. You know, people aren't really giving him
any kind of longer leash at the at the at
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the present time, it seems like you have to play early,
and you have to perform early, and you only have
to watch last Thursday night. God to Minshew a sixth
round pick. I mean, he looked quite capable of playing
with the speed of the NFL. One of the things
that you absolutely can say about Daniel Jones and Tampa
Bay rushed the cry bad of him is the game
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was not too fast for him. Oh, totally don't agree that. Okay,
it was not like he was a deer in the headlights.
He had no idea what they were showing him or
anything like that, even with his best player out. Okay,
so sometimes we make an excuse when it's a mistake
when a veteran mistake. When when when Eli throws the
ball to somebody. I mean, I've watched Eli throw the
ball to the two defensive backs all the time. You know,
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you know, is that that the wrong read? Or it
can't be every single time the receiver made the wrong cut?
Of course, not, of course not. I think that. Um,
he didna have his lumps, obviously, but through that first game,
you couldn't even you could have an asked for it.
You could not have expected anything better than what you got.
So I'm gonna go on with Francessa with Pat Sherman
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signing from the show. What did you think about that?
I listened to that interview. Did you think Francessa was
over the top or did you think that the Giants
were being thin skinned? Or what did you think about that?
For those that don't know UM the Giant Coats Pat
SRMA goes on at usually Monday or Tuesday at about
five o'clock with one of the leading sports shows in
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the country. Essentially, the question that seemed to UM upset
Sherman the most was was was he the guy to
coach the team with his I guess career record of
was of sixteen and listen. He usually said, you guys stink.
Do I think that as any problem forran says this question, No,
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I don't do. I think that Shermer and the Giants
owe it to go on Mike Frances's show. No, I don't.
Francessa like Francessa is an institution in New York. That's fine,
and I agree, but he's not the same person he
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was fifteen twenty years ago. His show is different, it
sounds different, his opinions are different. He is biased toward
the people that he feels like he's friends with. Now,
he has every right, as is any radio host, any
program host, to say how you feel. And when he
has Pat Scharmer, he's everything. He's every right to ask
whatever question he wants, But he doesn't sure answer any questions. Right,
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He's gonna ask questions and tell him the answer ultimately,
So if the Giants feel that they're getting bullied around
by the Scott, go on a different show and they will, right,
they don't owe Mike frand Sessa anything. Well, I agree
with that, but does it look weak if you agree
to start it to walk away after this second game
when you know It's not like he's not asked answering
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questions from the media every day. You know who looks weak,
geentleman looks weak because when when things have happened with
the Giants, he's nowhere to be found. This whole Eli
benching happens, He's nowhere to be found. When people get cut,
when people get signed, he's nowhere to be found. He
spoke once during the spring, so you will about Brian Cashman.
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He's always around. Every movie makes he answers every single one. Well,
do you think that Brodie's around? Also, what do you
think that you're undercutting? Well, Brodie wants to be the
center of attention for the Mets. But at least I'll
answer the question, Well, but do you think that's being
disloyal to your coach? I'm just playing Devil's advocate for you. Okay,
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you think that for example, I'll answer, you know, I
think it's fair. I'll answer personnel questions. I'll take the
heat because I assembled the team, I'm the general manager.
But once the season stalls, other than you know, whether
we're bringing somebody in like a new running back. Today,
the coach is going to answer all of the questions
I I, you know, I don't have a problem with that.
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So so here's right, like there's certain situations where that council,
where that that the and the theoretically it's fine obviously,
but you want to give a situation, let's just use
let's use Oakland for a second. Right, John Gruden's left
out on the and John Greden's difference is all the power? Right?
The coaches left out the drive out? Where's Antonio Brown?
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What's going on? Antonio Brown? I didn't sign the guy.
My dad was to coach the guy as the GM
asked the owner, and they left him out to dry.
Gruden is different. He runs the organization. We know that.
But the same in the scene really goes with New
England MELOCHI but but in but in general, it's not
the coaches like Adam Gays didn't sign Levian Bell, the
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GM did you? I got fired. But Adam Gays can't
answer why does this team assembled suck? Well? I mean
that's that's a good point because people are calling for
Adam Gayze's head. I don't you know, I think that, listen,
I was surprised that there was nothing in Adam Gayze's
resume that Miami was such a juggernaut that he deserved
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a second job immediately. I also think it's like what
the hell of the Jets do? And listening to Peyton Manning, like,
you know, you know, I always tell you the same thing.
It's like on a blind date. Never go on a
blind date where the person setting you up as closer
to the girl than she is to you. Okay, Peyton
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Manning is much closer to Adam Gaze than he is
to the Jets. Where does his loyalty lie? So who
do you think it's gonna get the best of that
blind date? That being said, you know his all world
quarterback that he built everything that people are saying, well,
he's not a quarterback, which he wasn't supposed to be
playing with Luke falk And I know that everybody else
from Washington State was touchdowns, but that by the way,
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U c l a Washington State him, that's a totally
different story, you know. He he they as soon as
he got there, in all fanness to him, he went
to the organization and said, you know, we've built this team,
asked backwards, we've built the skill positions or in which
we haven't even done well, But We've spent no money
on the offensive line and that is not going to work.
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And they fired the general manager and they brought in
Joe Douglas. I mean, I think you got to give
it some time to let it work. So here's the
thing for me. In week one of the Jets hold
off Buffalo, they wind up winning against Buffalo, I mean,
he's doing his job. Then then week two is you know,
basically house money after Donald gets mine. So as we
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three against the Patriots of a thirsting quarterback, right like
Adam Geese was brought in here to ultimately turn Sam
Donald into a above average quarterback. That is his job,
and if he succeeds, then he will keep his job.
We have no idea if he will succeed you because
Sam Donald's played one game and he looked okay in it, right,
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he looked bad. To be perfectly, he looked okay, I thought, well,
not above average. He looked okay. Buffalo's defense pretty come on.
I mean I think you're you're you're you're being kind.
You're being kind there. I mean the Jets had four
turnovers in the first half, put up six points. Fair,
I mean it's fair. You know, they made Buffalo's defense
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look like the eighty five Bears, not the eighty five Bears,
the Patriots defense, but of Buffalo defense. But you know,
and and and even Eli Manning for whatever it's worth,
and we can talk about where some of the odds came.
I mean, the Giants had four under yards total offense
against that Buffalo defense. I mean the problem is time
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first half they went right down the field and scored one.
But you know, the biggest problem with the Giants, with
with Eli is that when you got into the red
zone the last few years is they would just zone
you and and and take away the angles and and
and like yesterday with Daniel Jones, they played man too
many took off in rent. You know, it's they've been
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playing kind of I don't think unless you have a
legendary figure, I don't think there's gonna be another Brady.
You know, maybe one will rise through the years, but
I think unless you have somebody who's got such an
incredible vision of the field and in a cue that
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I don't think you can play without a mobile quarterback.
And there's no question that you need someone that has
the ability to move. You have to. It's too easy
for the defense if you don't, you know, I think
I think that it's just different. I mean, Brady gets
rid of the ball so fast, has that system down
to a plant is split second. Give them all credit
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in the world, but I don't think you're gonna be
seeing that ever again. Really, I mean, I think that
even teams time, I mean even thinks people things like
you know, Atlanta, They're gonna move on from Matt Ryan
in the next few years for the same type of reason. Um,
you know San Diego with Philip Rivers Los Angeles Philip Rivers.
Of course they will evolution essentially the game. You know,
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Lamar Jackson's to defend awesome, We'll see him against the
real defense. We have not seen that yet this year.
So let's do something really really interesting out of the blue.
Two years ago, I guess now we're talking about three
years ago, was the Deshaun Watson Mitchell Trubisky at my
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Homes draft. Then last year you had the three quarterbacks.
Then this year you have Daniel Jones re drafting. Patrick
Mahomes obviously first agreed Shaun Watson's second for me. Um,
Lamar Jackson's third. I think Baker Mayfield's fourth with Daniel Jones, fifth,
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Rubisky six missing. Josh Rosen's in there somewhere. You put
Trubisky Overdonald. I forgot about sand Donald. No, I would not,
I would, I would put Donald next. I'm not sure
that I wouldn't put Jones above Mayfield. From what I've seen,
it's a sure sample. It's one game, and I'm just saying,
but you're just you're you're talking about potential. I mean,
I I think that the two games I've watched you,
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I'm a little I think Mayfield is going to be okay,
not great, And I'll tell you why. I think being short,
he's not as accurate as Drew Brees, and he's not
as clever. So I think his height and he's not
the athlete that Russell Wilson, Kyler Murius for me, I'm
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leaving Baker in there. Listen, it's been a rough start.
He's got no line. I'm not putting down. I had
this argument somebody earlier today. I'm just saying he's short
and not a great athlete. I understand Drew Brees. Who
was you know Drew Brees is a better athlete. I
told you Drew Brees to be Andy Roddick and tennis.
I think when you little, you have to be a
great athlete, and Baker's okay, he's not a great athlete.
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Let me throw this at you, and I'll throw a
question at you. Am. You're you're one game. You're all
in on Danny Jones. Tell me how many quarterbacks you'd
rather have going forward than Daniel Jones right now? Well,
it's as you say, it's it's it's to one game,
one game. It's it's one game. You know, you can't
certainly you basically I think that so many of these
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guys are the same and it remains to be seen.
You certainly can't put him ahead of Dak or costs
in wins. Okay, you can put it, but remember you
gotta pay Dack thirty million dollars after this year. That's
a totally different argument. When you talk right now, who
would you would you? I mean, I think I think
if you put Daniel Jones on the Cowboys, he could
win in his first year with that offensive line. Okay,
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on on on a discount. But you can't put him
ahead of it, you know, you you you basically, and
then you get into the central Rodgers is obviously still better.
But I'm not still going right now who's better because
Roger's Rady and Breeze going forward like the next ten years,
Like I don't want Rady's not gonna last ten years.
Roger's not gonna last ten years. What what? From what
I've seen in terms of what I would like in
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a quarterback, I put Daniel Jones exactly with costs in wins, right, Okay,
I think they're exactly what you want. You want somebody big, athletic, smart,
who can throw the ball. I tend to you know,
there's less dirty laundry. I mean, you have the one
concern you have about Wentz is all that stuff that
came out last year, whether he's a team man being leader.
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Now now Jones is in the honeymoon, so you have
no idea about any any of that stuff. I think
that Deshaun Watson has won a lot more games in
college and a lot more games in the pros. The
one downside of Deshaun Watson He's already had two A C.
L reconstructions. Okay, so that that that you've got to
throw that into into into the equation. I think Donalds
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has been exactly what he's been at u USC When
he looks good, he looks great. Then he throws the
ball to the other team and he's a turnover waiting
to happen. Hasn't shown you that you'd be any different.
I think that Josh Allen is in that wentz. You know,
Daniel Jones big athletic. He's a little bit more athletic
than those guys. Yeah, and he's a lot less accurate
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with the ball, a lot less accurate with the ball,
but makes big plays, makes big plays, very inaccurate. That
is a little well, you know, he made the throws
and he had to make with the Giants against the Giants,
so I think he's a little bit less accurate. Mahomes
is in a class by himself, um in terms of
of of in terms of talent, and Lamar Jackson is
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kind of the future. You know. The question about Lamar
Jackson is, you know he can throw the ball along,
you know, he can run. He probably is not going
to be great about throwing the scene past. And the
question is does that really make a difference when you're
that electric. I don't know the answer to that. I
don't know either. Obviously, before we were wrapped up, I
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wanted to get to New England, and I wanted to
get to the Santonio Brown saga. They had a for
eleven days played last week sort of touchdown gets cut
a few days later. As allegations continue to come out,
the latest is he's retiring. He re enroll at Central
Michigan to finish get online online so someone else could
do it for him. He has a lot of issues,
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which is remember what I said, Bill Pelichick would not
cure his impulsivity, he did. You know, we keep on saying, oh,
the New England Way, If the New England Way would
work for mental illness, you know we would, We would
have better treatments, We could mimic these type of things.
He is we you know I said it last week.
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This is either a staged act or he's really off
his rocker. If he's off his rocker, it's gonna come
out really, really fast. And essentially he is completely impulsive,
so that when the allegations came out against him, his
impulsivity was to take control of the situation by threatening
the women who were you to come after me, which
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basically then finished him off for good. Then what comes
out after that is essentially him saying, telling Bob Kraft
and Ben Roethlisberger, you know you have demons too, So
everybody has demons. Every He has weaknesses, but most of
us a can intellectualized back off understand. But he has
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tremendous impulsivity that is acting out almost as if the
frontal lobe has been damaged. Okay, in this you know
I said from the very beginning it would be interesting
to look and to see whether there's been a decline
in his concussion inventories or was this just is this
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just mounting itself at the present time. But his behavior
is bizarre. It's bizarre to not wear the protective equipment
and cry, oh it is. You can't make an argument now,
I understand, and you know he he doesn't understand these
things to the intellectual level. But you could make an
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argument that sometimes equipment actually can cause more injuries because
it makes you feel infallible. Um. For ex ample, ski
helmets very rarely do anything right, and that's because you're
the missile. So if you're going so fast off a
bit to hit a tree, you're gonna break your neck.
It's not going to be you know, Whiskey helmets come
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in handy is like if I bump into you on
the mountain, or if some ski hits you on the mountain.
But what argument? What is the The NFL is not
trying to hurt people by making helmets safer. There's no
argument to be made that you can't play with that helmet.
Everybody else is adapting. It's a different world. These things
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that be are There's no argument to be made to
throwing furniture out of a balcony in a in a
place in Miami, and he these things should have been
looked into before. But to think that Bill Belichick was
going to solve them, it's just like Bill Belichick's gonna
solve drug abuse. Bill Belichick is gonna solve Aaron Hernandez.
Aaron Hernandez, by all intensive purposes, shot people at the
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University of flour and according to most most reporting, Urban
Mia wanted him off the campus, which is why he
turned pro. And and the Patriots knew all this stuff.
You know, I think that first and foremost of the
Belichick obviously wants to win, and it'll do whatever a
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football coach when he's not the you know, he's not
a rabbi or the pope. He's a football coach very
much so, and I think that if he could stay
on the field, Belichick will get the most out of him,
and that's all he cares about until it becomes more
of a public relations you know, sometimes it happens to
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good people. I actually believe that Tim Tebow's gotten screwed
in life. I screwed in life, not in life, but
in football because he wasn't good enough to put up
with the circus. But he was certainly one of the best.
Fifteen hundred Football is thirty times fifty, so that's fiftundred people.
It would be hard to argue that Tim Tebow was
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not one of the best fifteen hundred football players in
the United States. The same with Colin Kaepernick. Absolutely a
d percent agree with you. He may not be good
enough to put up with what he trucks with satellites
outside your practice facility. That's a different story. Okay, that's
a different story. You don't want your backup quarterback to
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be the media attention star of the entire team. You
don't want everybody asking when are you gonna play Tebow
when he's your third strang or your backup quarterback. But
you know, other than that, they only care about the perception.
Nobody would have nobody, you know, Cleveland would put Kareem
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Hunt on the field tomorrow, no question about it, no
question about it. The Giants, let's not forget after hearing
allegations about Josh Brown, they didn't cut him until became
a pr nightmare and he's a kicker, exactly. They it's
only the perception of of these things, and that that
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that people really care about. And you know, it's it's
interesting to think about why did the Giants trade Beckham?
The Giants traded Backham because I got sick and tired
of him. The ownership group, the general manager got sick
and tired of him. Guys in the locker room have
nothing bad to say about him, Right, That's that's that
that that that's that's that's what I mean. They got,
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they got, they got sick and tired of him. Yeah.
I gotta tell you, though, I gotta tell you I
was thinking yesterday, man, it would be nice having Daniel
Jones's Odell Beckham Jr. Because he can really lead him.
I mean, you know, you know, Shepard looks much looked
much better than he has in in in in a
long time. And Evan Ingram. You know where did that
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come from? I mean it was like he was shot
out of a cannon. It was awesome, fast as he's
ever run in his career. I mean, and he looked it.
I mean it wasn't like you needed to stop watch
watch to tell. But let's go around the league, you know,
and you think com minutes left your nuck? Okay. You know,
Dallas looks like they're they're doing just fine. I mean
they they they look really really good. You know, Pittsburgh,
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although they were all in three big games coming up.
I mean again, they haven't really lost within the division.
That division doesn't seem like a juggernaut. You know, Baltimore
seems like it's the class of the division. But you know,
they haven't won anything yet. Um there's Buffalo. Who's more
for real? Buffalo of the forty niners. I'd say that
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it's really good question, really good question. But I'd say
San Francisco is more real to me. I think San
Francisco is more real. But Buffalo has two more games
with the Jets, one more game with the Jets, and
two games with Miami. So that's six wins okay that
they should have and now they only have to figure
out to win three or four of the rest, so
that whereas San Francisco is playing in a tough division. Definitely, definitely,
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but I believed the stat that a g B G
is Kyle Shanahana's is that coach? Yeah, you know, I
guess the quarterback means something. It definitely definitely means something.
Don This has been awesome. Also hanging out with you
today tonight. You got the Bears and Washington. What do
you think under by the way, in fantasy, I think
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the case keenom you know why, based off it's the
New York Giants this weekend. I mean, you know, I
mean this, this Haskins begin to see the field. I
don't know, I really think that, Um, the Bears have
really struggled. I mean, Washington has no defense. But I
think that the Bears will all scheme and and it's
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hard to keep on doing that. Um and you know,
Red is gone for Washington. Washington seems like they get
they you know, maybe bet Washington in the first quarter.
They seem to get off the fast thoughts and then
they get blown out. The defense doesn't hold up, even
just not hold up? Did defense not hold up or
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can you take so many things away from Case Keenan
that you come out And I always thought that Jake
Gruden is a good coach. I know he's gonna get
lose his job, but I I really feel that his
schemes are excellent. He really finds your weaknesses and and
does that. So I think they come out and and
they scheme and they can do things. But then you
can take that away from Case Keenan. Yeah. I also
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think Jay Green is not a bad coach, to be honest, um,
but he's Keenum. While limited, I don't think the defense
holds up. I stand by that. I'll put it this way.
If Jake Gruden becomes available, I'd hire him to be
in my offense. I'm down. I'm down for that. But
does he just reunite with his brother in Oakland? Maybe?
I mean, I don't know all ago work for Sean McVeigh,
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his former OFFNS Corners as quarterback coach. Possibly. I mean,
but I think that Jake Gruden knows football. I've actually
think I know this is really really strange to say,
but I actually think that Washington through the whole Kirk
Cousins nonsense, the hand that he's been dealt. I think
that he's outperformed their roster, and I know they haven't
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done very much, but he's been in the thick of
a few playoff races. They would have made the playoffs
last year if he didn't lose all of his quartermin
I agree with that. I don't. I don't know he's
a bad coach. I don't think he's a great coach.
I don't think he's ever been really given a chance
to be right with with talent, I don't. I don't
necessarily know how we can I mean, how do we
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determine coaches? Okay, obviously super Bowls and stuff like that,
but when they you know who do you who? Who
has exceeded their their talent talent pool and you know
Sean Payton, as we said, great preparation, Maybe not the
greatest on the spot in game coach. But but I
think that Washington has played better each year then people
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thought they were going to play. I don't disagree. Like
I said, I liked. I think he's a nice think
he's been a nice job. I do um he hasn't
had the best roster, he's made the most of it,
and he's had craziness with the whole thing with Kirk
Cousins playing at his option and all of that. Yeah,
you know, it's every single absolutely left. His left eye
was not showing up. I mean that organization really has
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not put him in an advantageous place. One of the
reasons I think he keeps his job is I don't
think anybody wants to take that job. Yeah, you can
always find somebody. You can always find somebody. For years
and one of the Brown's job and they always found
somebody like Patton. It's always a make Patton. Well, it's
going to be interesting. If the Browns don't turn it around.
Kitchens won't make it through the season. Kiders let make
it through the season at re what record because they
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have some tough games. If they're one and five, he
doesn't make it through the season, they're one in five,
he'll make it. Absolutely absolutely, I think that you're gonna
have chaos in that place and they'll find somebody. I
think it's you know, they if they started you can't
bring in a guy and then just quit on him
six games in. They quit on Steve Wilkes in one year,
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and they would you know, and that's because they felt
they weren't playing for anything, you know, and that was
with low expectations. With these expectations en Dorset's ego. Watch
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What is of everybody? He's Dr Jel rosalind I am
Greg Sussman in this is Doc Jack do What's happening man?
A lot of things. It was a phenomenal sports weekend.
I guess we learned that Bill Belichick can still coach,
but he can't cure a mental illness. Um, and it,
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you know, a lot of the things that we've been
talking about for the last two years kind of came
to fruition as we watched an incredible you know, I
really think that was a phenomenal first game performance by
Daniel Jones. I mean, you couldn't have written a better script.
Let's start right there with Danny Dimess NFL debut, accounted
for four touchdowns through for over three hundred yards. Most
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importantly the Giants. They get a victory thanks to a
miss thirty four year thirty four yards in two extra
points that two action points that will miss. Okay, and
you know again it can't be fooled that the Giants
are a good team. But um, when everybody left MetLife
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Stadium the week before when they lost to Buffalo, there
was absolutely no juice in the building. There was no
reason to watch this team. We had seen this script
before we knew where this was going and putting I
said that he was going to lose the locker room
if you didn't put Jones in the game. And I said,
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I predicted before the season started it would be halfway
in Buffalo. And I think that, um it, there was
just no choice. There was just no energy in the Giants.
It we we've seen this before, and you know, it's
really interesting. Um. Dead Spin had a great auticle about
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Eli Manning and Eli Manning is going to go down
as um either the best average quarterback of all time
or the worst great quarterback of all time, depending on
what your vantage point was. But they wrote about why
the Giants were slow, low, slow on the trigger and
what was the kind of psychology of that, which I
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think is kind of interesting and the best way I
can explain it is that Eli has failed the eye
test his whole career, but for somehow managed to make
the big play, managed to rise to the moment, so
that kind of the delusional people within the organization thought
he had one more run all the time, and you
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really clinked walk them out of it, because it's not like,
for example, if you look at their franchise that they
had gone through the usual growth and then won a
Super Bowl, similar to what they did in the eighties
six Super Bowl team. It was almost like they brought
a lottery ticket and they won the lottery twice, and
so why won't you think that you're gonna win the
lottery a third time, especially when you failed the eye test.
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And it's kind of an interesting spin on it from
dead Spin. You know, I saw Eli actually only one
playoff games the year they went to the Super Bowl.
He's never won another playoff game any other year of
his career. It's thirteen out of the fifteen years of
his career zero playoff wins outside of the Super Bowl,
which I think is interesting. He brought up the fact
that now that Daniel Jones is starting, there was juice.
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There was juice going in the yesterday's Giant game. There's
obviously jews for me out of the game. I as
a Giants fan, I'm gonna tell you the last time
I had that much fun watching a Giants game. Yeah,
I can the Super Bowl, but seriously, since that Super Bowl, right,
probably not even leaving in the super Bowl. It was
probably the games before the Super Bowl when they got
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to the super Bowl because by the time they got
to the Super Bowl both times they were playing with
house money. Sure, you know it was it was you know,
we used to joke around, what's gonna what's gonna happen
first in all lifetime, we'll see a giant quarterback run
for a touchdown? Or will they get jailed? Cheerleaders? Um,
And yesterday's game was like, Wow, our team is doing
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to other teams what everybody's done for us to the
last god knows how many years, you know, you know,
Tampa played good defense on everybody was covered on the
last play, but Daniel Jones looked him off and saw
an open field and he took it. Not to say
when it was a twelve three game, perhaps one of
the biggest players in the game was that third down
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where he extends the drive. Because twelve three, the Giants
has been party over, party over, and everybody's concentrating on
his legs. He's also more accurate, you know, he hit
Ingram right on the run. That's the thing that Eli
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has never been. He's he's having watched him probably play
one minutes than any quarterback that I've seen in my lifetime.
He's still the hottest to describe. Um, he's defined by
growing perhaps the greatest pass of all time to manning
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him down the sidelines. I'm not talking about Tyrene when
he you know, which was you might as well which
was a Lamar Jackson play, You might as well throw
it up and help something good happens. Um. But the
throw he made to Manningham, you know, into that window,
might have been one of the greatest pressure throws in
the history of football. But you take some of those throws.
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He's not accurate like Breeze was or Montana where he
puts people on the line, He's not. He doesn't he
didn't make the big play like Brett fall Of What
Eli was was magical at certain times in his career
for unknown reasons. Eli was magical in those moments, and
he was a man of moments, and that defines his career.
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All of fame conversations and conversations going on right now.
Giving it he's a five hundred, his record is once
his teen once the definitively a Hall of Fame. I
played for eighteen years, won two Super bowl I don't know.
I think that as you move away from it, you know,
you know again at the end of the day, you
would trade everything to get to the altar. And he
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got to the altar twice, definitely, And and he got
to the altar two out of sixteen years. That's ten
percent more than ten percent of his career. And and
you know, especially in this time, in this game which
is defined by championships as opposed to longevity, Philip Rivers
has never gotten to the altar. I would take two
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super Bowl championships over the long resident. That is certainly
a positive spin. That is certainly the reason in the
case to be made for Eli. Those two runs, those
two huge victories in the Super Bowl, two Super Bowl
vps where you think he should and and and the
teams that have absolutely the highest winning percentage ever. You know,
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the Green Bay team was he the fourteen A two
or fifteen and one. The Dallas team that they beat
two had a high reckon. Let's not forgetting New England
was undefeated. So in the historical perspective of football, you know,
that being said, he failed the eye test more often.
And that's why the people within that building was so
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hesitant to pull the plug, because they were delusional about
the magic. You know, remember the when the Mets stunk.
The magic is back, you know, they thought that the
magic could come back, but there's no rational way for
that to happen. And I think yesterday was clear because
anybody who's watched football knows that when the Giants were down,
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not only were we going to be watching red zone,
but all of the players would have had their bags
packed to get on the plane to go home. Well,
I just think with a beat down now that Eli
didn't get up after every hit, because he did for
the entirety of his career. But the ability of Daniel Jones,
and this is everything that you've heard, I'm up putting
the guy in the Hall of Fame yet I want to,
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but his ability to move around the pocket and create
with something we have not seen because more more than that,
with him, he processes very quickly. Definitely, he's very accurate
with the ball. Is one downside that I saw is
that I think you know he once got pounded from
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the back side. He's sometimes not aware of what's coming
from behind. So I'm glad you say that. Sean Guastamaki
and I were talking downstairs earlier today and the one
down say that we saw is very very similar that
for whatever reason. At this point in his career, he
doesn't feel pressure. He doesn't like he doesn't feel it
coming or see it coming. He's in the back of
his eyes. Now. Obviously, as you get older and as
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it slows down, that internal clock flows down, you understand
it better. Now. He is fearless. He will just stand
in there and stand in there and make the picture
picture perfect throw. But a couple of times yesterday people
came around the back side causing the fumble and hit
him from behind. That that's one. And also when he
takes off, he's sometimes unaware of who's I mean from
behind definitely, and that's because he has his eyes down field.
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He's got to be a little bit more decisive of
when to take off, just like he did on that
last play of the game and get down. You don't
always need to have your eyes down field like that.
That being said, he is, when you think about it,
the prototypical and quarterback that you would want in this generation.
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Because he's tall, he can see over the line, he's
incredibly accurate. He's not a running quarterback. But if you
play man to man and everybody goes, he can take off.
And that's what I think you really really really want.
I mean, that's kind of what would you describe Aaron
Rodgers as a running quarterback? Very similar exactly, you know,
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totally agree, say with Andrew Luck. And you know when
people say he reminds them of Eli, they're out of
their mind. I mean, I know the personality, I mean
personality wise maybe, but he looks as well. Yeah, that's
it's incredible that that that part of ridiculous. It is
absolutely incredible. But he reminds me more of Cosstion Wentz.
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I was about to say that than absolutely than than
you Li Manic. And the thing about him is he processes.
You know when you saw early on he processes very
very very quickly. He processes much better than Donald does.
To be perfectly I agree with that much, you know,
but to be perfectly honest about that, and um, you know,
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he very bright kid, not just because he went to
Duke and he also was recruited to play Division one basketball.
So he's not a fluke athlete. No, he's he's athletic.
And that was something that very quickly was dismissed during
the draft, that oh, he's not athletic. But if you
just watched any tape. He's athletic. Yeah, you know, there's
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only two people that loved him coming in that I
knew of in the draft, Dave Gentleman and my friend
Rich Gladstone. So I had to go to Rich Gladstone's
house to watch this. But Rich Gladstone, who went to Duke,
was like screaming that the Giant should draft Daniel Jones.
Draft Daniel Jones, draft Daniel Jones. So it was like,
you know, when when when when he took when he
rolled to his left and hit Slayton coming across the middle,
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I thought, I thought Rich Gladstone was going to lose it,
and he dives there you go, Yeah, I gotta go.
You know, you know you can't find a Daniel Jones
jersey for in the youth size in New York City.
Gotta order it online. Sure this time next week you'll
be able to you know, you just you just like that.
You just can't can't, you can't get it. But across
the street, model's I don't think this. Daniel Jones should
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probably get you like manny, but you can't. You can't
get you like cheap. And it's funny because you came
in here today when you when you when you got
to the studio. You know, it's amazing. You're feeling good,
and you can see it right, you can see it me.
You can see you. You're excited. And yet this is
a win that that's great, you'll take it. The defense
is horrific, and the Giants lost their best player for
at least the next month. This is what I wanted
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to get into him. So Nagon Barkley very clearly has
the high ankles for and they were hoping it would
be a mild high ankle sprain that keep him out
two to four weeks. Instead, it's more significant. It's more
not four to six, it's six to eight weeks from
what I'm seeing, at least what you're the doctor, if
you describe the difference between a high ankle sprain and
a low ankle sprain and why this is so much
more painful because you can't stabilize the high ankle strain,
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you know, low ankle sprain. First of all, what an
ankle sprain is is basically a partial ligament or could
be a complete ligament, tear of of the the ankles
on the outside, not not not the the Achilles and
flexibility and a low ankle sprain is very painful, but
you can stabilize the ankle and if people have a
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high tolerance for it, they can play in a few
weeks with it. Basically put a walking boot on, stabilized
and well also you can tape it in in in
in for the game. You you can give external support.
A high ankle sprain is higher, the ligaments are more stretched,
and and and you know you're really looking at a
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to twelve weeks with something an injury to twelve weeks
or something, an injury like that. Um, and it's a
very tough injury for somebody like Balkley that cuts left
and right and and basically as a jitterbug, I mean,
and and you really want to get that right because
what makes him so special, and you really don't want
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to take his cutting ability away. Um, you know, he's
not a straight ahead type player. So I think you're
looking at eight weeks. Is is is a bare minimum.
We'll see about that. Tevin Coleman, we just recently had
a high ankle sprain. Uh, he shed his walking mood
last week. The forty niners have a by this week
they come back week five, that would be about four weeks. Obviously,
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every ankle sprain is different, depends on how much you
want to push it. And again, I haven't seen the
m r I and you know in Buckley's past he's
been a very very fast healer. Is in in great shape.
I mean, but I think if you're the Giants, you're
really not gonna push this. You know, you're looking for
sticks to aid at a bare minimum, and I think
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eight to twelve is is possibly more realistic. And then
you see where you are, you know, in the season,
and decide what to do from there. Absolutely, and we'll
we'll see about se Quan and his availability wing golling
out the sort for the New York Giants going forward.
This team certainly needs to influx of talent on the
defensive side of the ball. There's not enough. They're They're awful.
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They're awful. I mean, even even when they came back
to win, they just threw it over the top of
presumably their best player. I mean, you know, again, what
they hope to do yesterday was have Jenkins take Evans
out of the game. But what Evans did is he
actually took Jenkins out of the game, and and and
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and protect everybody else I mean, what you hope is
that they're the youngest defense in in the NFL and
that they actually get better, just not a week older
per week. Um. They did play slightly better in the
second half yesterday, and they did make some meaningful stops
which they didn't make the week before against Buffalo. Um,
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what's there? What's there to say? I mean, I think
they did derive some juice from the offensive side of
the ball. And and and the other big difference was
that Jones got touchdowns and he didn't. And and people
we're gonna talk about the runs and really, you know
the place that he made out of the pocket, But
what about in the pocket the throw he made to
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Shepherd for the touchdown, this second touchdown of the of
of the that made in the corner of the end zone.
That was a professional throw that that very few quarterbacks
in the NFL could make. Um on a regular basis.
I mean, that's not that's not a throw that case
Keenom's of the world can make. That's where you really
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you know, and people who talked about his on straight
he hummed that thing about the only place that could
be caught. And I think that's what was lost with
his athleticism is the placement on his ball was much
better than you usually see a young quarterback make. I
mean he you know, people have forgotten to play that
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button back in the game was to Evan Ingram. He
hit him dead dead and stride. I mean that was
like a montanais, you know, throw right on stride. He
made a lot of throws right on stride, which was
another thing that I think the Giants receivers have had.
You know, the throw would be just behind them, just
in front of them. I think, you know Cleveland's going
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through some of that right now. I don't think Mayfield.
I thought I went to the game last Monday night
and I thought Mayfield was got awful. I mean, the
Jets couldn't have scored if it was you know, it
took a hundred years. And yes, the throw to Beckham
was right on the money, but he missed open receivers
left and right. And you know that teams in a
little bit of h Yeah, glad you brought up the
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Browns because I watched all of Monday sunthing night football
last night and for and you talk about this a
lot about winning the off season and how you that
rarely translates to winning in this season. And I think
some really smart people were on this. Right, Like, you
get Odell Becko, and like that's awesome, Right, you have
the you you bring in all of this talent the
defensive side, and that's awesome. But to do so, you've
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torn apart your offensive line and it's gonna be impossible
if Maker Mayfield get the ball out. It's to be
impossible for to get the ball if you don't have
an offensive line. And it's actually remarkable to me the
job that Freddy Kitchens is doing in a negative fashion
because you're bringing Odell, you're not getting in the ball
nearly enough. It's the same problems that happened in New
York with the offensive line and Eli not being able
to do anything and the same eleven formation that Ben
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McAdoo ran. That's what Freddy Kitchens is running. I hate
to say this, but through three weeks Freddy kitches his
way in over his head. Well, I think that's a problem.
And that was predictable, right, I mean, there was nothing
in his resume. He went from a position coach um
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John Dorsey has a history of Listen, the Chiefs have
gotten most things right and they showed him the door.
That's negative. That's a negative sign. Yeah, And there's a
difference between it's the players that you and I never
heard of that make football teams often not the sizzle.
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You know, Basketball is a sizzle sport. You can't win
unless you have your your sizzle. Okay, you're not gonna
win with players we haven't heard of. Okay, Hockey and football,
you need your stars to play well, but you need
next man up to really really be better than you think.
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The depth of your organization, especially when we look at
think about what you said, Backley's out, the safety on
um who who Atlanta lost there? Yeah, lost their safety?
Who tour as Achilles attendant? I mean, football is a
war of attrition through the course of the year. Now
it's there are injuries and injuries, and there are certain
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players like A Balkley's irreplaceable, A Brady is irreplaceable, and
Aaron Rodgers is irreplaceable to the Giants right now, although
not in the same level Daniel Jones would be irreplaceable,
which is what we we we we we we we
talked about there. But you need your line. I mean
most games one at the line, whether your offensive line
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and your defensive line dominate the line of scrimmage. And
that's how how most games are one. Yet we don't
see that. We have no idea how good Kevin Zeitler
is unless you're watching game tape and really cluing in.
And how much Cleveland trading him for Olivia Vernon hurt
their offensive line. Obviously, certainly so last night helps there
on the defensive side of the ball. But you know,
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anybody probably didn't make that many plays and they already
had my Garrett, and and and and and Vernon is
is you know, to Garrett, you know, extremely light version
of it. But he's really not a great run player
or a great He's not good enough to lift the defense.
You know that Giants found that out the hard way
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when they paid him a lot of money, no doubt,
no doubt that it paid him a crap ton of money.
Wasn't able to say on the field, had a nice motor,
but did do what they certainly needed for all of that.
I mean, that was the strangest thing. And it's how
you look at it. When they signed him from Miami,
they said his best statistic is he lad the league
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in pressures, but very rarely got sacks. So now just
think about it. If you block him a little more,
he slows down, announced then he's not even gonna get
the pressures. You know, they took it as oh, he's
on the verge because he's getting all these pressures, but
he can't finish. I think finishing is a skill in itself.
And by the way, Aaron Donald just kind of wrecked
the game for kind of what he does. He his
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wreck Cleveland's game, and that is well, if you're if
you're we we've bashed him up the Ying Yang and
deservedly so. But if you're Dave Gettleman yesterday night, you
can say two things. One is he believes in strength
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up the middle as opposed to everybody always having you know,
the pass rush from the outside. And he believes that
you attack up the middle and defensive tackles are more
important than then per se the ends. Well, Aaron Donald
certainly gave him a pad on the back. He also
believes that you want bigger quarterbacks that can see over
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the line and and you know that are or are
accurate passes. So from you know, from a scouts eye,
he had a pretty good day yesterday. From a salary
cap version. He still needs a lot to pretend to
be desired. Yeah, he's he's not all good at that.
And it's interesting because I saw all the gifts and
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all the comments on Twitter last night, and it was
he's gonna walk in with the shot into the office
today feeling all great, you're even staks man like. It
is horrific, one of the worst I've ever seen. Your
defense stinks And why bring Eli back for twenty million dollars?
We'd all seen enough. I mean, if you really weren't sure,
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and nobody could have been sure that Daniel Jones is
ready to start. But I mean there's always a case
keenan to to find or I Rod Taylor, who's a
backup that that that that could start start for an hour?
And you know, in in terms of another person that
that that that's you know, had an interesting career in
and and the things he had to say that I
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was listening to last week is he's considered the sports
pope in New York, Mike Francisca. And he's probably the
same age as as I am. So yeah, he's proba,
probably late fifties. I think he's much older than that.
Maybe he's a few years older than me, but so
he's he's you know, I guess a generation older. He
was saying that, you know, you can't win. I don't
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know what he's watching. I mean, you can't win with
a young quarterback. And the best thing about first year
quarterbacks as they become second year quarterback. I don't know
what he's been watching the last few years. I mean,
Washington won with Robert Griffith. I know he got hurt
and was never the same player again, but they won
in the first year. Yeah, okay, Andrew luck was fined
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in his first year. Russell Wilson played in the playoffs
in his first year, and I yes, I know that
they became less of a running team and would dependent
with Russell Wilson as you've gone on mahomes for all
intensive purposes. You know, held the clipboard for one year
and played one game at the end of the season
was lights out, Lamar Jackson. Maybe he wasn't your cup
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of tea throwing the ball. He was still what was
he six and one as a starting quarterback last last year? Okay, um,
I don't know what he's watching. I actually think it's
gone the other way with quarterbacks, which is if you're
not good early, maybe they're not going to give you
as long a leash. You're never going to You're never
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going to make it. You even look at somebody like
Josh Rosen, who suppose I didn't see that. I don't
think anybody watched the Dallas Miami game but supposedly didn't
play horrendously. But people didn't. He didn't. He didn't look
bad at all. You know, people aren't really giving him
any kind of longer leash at the at the at
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the present time, it seems like you have to play early,
and you have to perform early, and you only have
to watch last Thursday night. God to Minshew a sixth
round pick. I mean, he looked quite capable of playing
with the speed of the NFL. One of the things
that you absolutely can say about Daniel Jones and Tampa
Bay rushed the cry bad of him is the game
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was not too fast for him. Oh, totally don't agree that. Okay,
it was not like he was a deer in the headlights.
He had no idea what they were showing him or
anything like that, even with his best player out. Okay,
so sometimes we make an excuse when it's a mistake
when a veteran mistake. When when when Eli throws the
ball to somebody. I mean, I've watched Eli throw the
ball to the two defensive backs all the time. You know,
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you know, is that that the wrong read? Or it
can't be every single time the receiver made the wrong cut?
Of course, not, of course not. I think that. Um,
he didna have his lumps, obviously, but through that first game,
you couldn't even you could have an asked for it.
You could not have expected anything better than what you got.
So I'm gonna go on with Francessa with Pat Sherman
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signing from the show. What did you think about that?
I listened to that interview. Did you think Francessa was
over the top or did you think that the Giants
were being thin skinned? Or what did you think about that?
For those that don't know UM the Giant Coats Pat
SRMA goes on at usually Monday or Tuesday at about
five o'clock with one of the leading sports shows in
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the country. Essentially, the question that seemed to UM upset
Sherman the most was was was he the guy to
coach the team with his I guess career record of
was of sixteen and listen. He usually said, you guys stink.
Do I think that as any problem forran says this question, No,
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I don't do. I think that Shermer and the Giants
owe it to go on Mike Frances's show. No, I don't.
Francessa like Francessa is an institution in New York. That's fine,
and I agree, but he's not the same person he
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was fifteen twenty years ago. His show is different, it
sounds different, his opinions are different. He is biased toward
the people that he feels like he's friends with. Now,
he has every right, as is any radio host, any
program host, to say how you feel. And when he
has Pat Scharmer, he's everything. He's every right to ask
whatever question he wants, But he doesn't sure answer any questions. Right,
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He's gonna ask questions and tell him the answer ultimately,
So if the Giants feel that they're getting bullied around
by the Scott, go on a different show and they will, right,
they don't owe Mike frand Sessa anything. Well, I agree
with that, but does it look weak if you agree
to start it to walk away after this second game
when you know It's not like he's not asked answering
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questions from the media every day. You know who looks weak,
geentleman looks weak because when when things have happened with
the Giants, he's nowhere to be found. This whole Eli
benching happens, He's nowhere to be found. When people get cut,
when people get signed, he's nowhere to be found. He
spoke once during the spring, so you will about Brian Cashman.
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He's always around. Every movie makes he answers every single one. Well,
do you think that Brodie's around? Also, what do you
think that you're undercutting? Well, Brodie wants to be the
center of attention for the Mets. But at least I'll
answer the question, Well, but do you think that's being
disloyal to your coach? I'm just playing Devil's advocate for you. Okay,
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you think that for example, I'll answer, you know, I
think it's fair. I'll answer personnel questions. I'll take the
heat because I assembled the team, I'm the general manager.
But once the season stalls, other than you know, whether
we're bringing somebody in like a new running back. Today,
the coach is going to answer all of the questions
I I, you know, I don't have a problem with that.
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So so here's right, like there's certain situations where that council,
where that that the and the theoretically it's fine obviously,
but you want to give a situation, let's just use
let's use Oakland for a second. Right, John Gruden's left
out on the and John Greden's difference is all the power? Right?
The coaches left out the drive out? Where's Antonio Brown?
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What's going on? Antonio Brown? I didn't sign the guy.
My dad was to coach the guy as the GM
asked the owner, and they left him out to dry.
Gruden is different. He runs the organization. We know that.
But the same in the scene really goes with New
England MELOCHI but but in but in general, it's not
the coaches like Adam Gays didn't sign Levian Bell, the
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GM did you? I got fired. But Adam Gays can't
answer why does this team assembled suck? Well? I mean
that's that's a good point because people are calling for
Adam Gayze's head. I don't you know, I think that, listen,
I was surprised that there was nothing in Adam Gayze's
resume that Miami was such a juggernaut that he deserved
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a second job immediately. I also think it's like what
the hell of the Jets do? And listening to Peyton Manning, like,
you know, you know, I always tell you the same thing.
It's like on a blind date. Never go on a
blind date where the person setting you up as closer
to the girl than she is to you. Okay, Peyton
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Manning is much closer to Adam Gaze than he is
to the Jets. Where does his loyalty lie? So who
do you think it's gonna get the best of that
blind date? That being said, you know his all world
quarterback that he built everything that people are saying, well,
he's not a quarterback, which he wasn't supposed to be
playing with Luke falk And I know that everybody else
from Washington State was touchdowns, but that by the way,
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U c l a Washington State him, that's a totally
different story, you know. He he they as soon as
he got there, in all fanness to him, he went
to the organization and said, you know, we've built this team,
asked backwards, we've built the skill positions or in which
we haven't even done well, But We've spent no money
on the offensive line and that is not going to work.
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And they fired the general manager and they brought in
Joe Douglas. I mean, I think you got to give
it some time to let it work. So here's the
thing for me. In week one of the Jets hold
off Buffalo, they wind up winning against Buffalo, I mean,
he's doing his job. Then then week two is you know,
basically house money after Donald gets mine. So as we
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three against the Patriots of a thirsting quarterback, right like
Adam Geese was brought in here to ultimately turn Sam
Donald into a above average quarterback. That is his job,
and if he succeeds, then he will keep his job.
We have no idea if he will succeed you because
Sam Donald's played one game and he looked okay in it, right,
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he looked bad. To be perfectly, he looked okay, I thought, well,
not above average. He looked okay. Buffalo's defense pretty come on.
I mean I think you're you're you're you're being kind.
You're being kind there. I mean the Jets had four
turnovers in the first half, put up six points. Fair,
I mean it's fair. You know, they made Buffalo's defense
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look like the eighty five Bears, not the eighty five Bears,
the Patriots defense, but of Buffalo defense. But you know,
and and and even Eli Manning for whatever it's worth,
and we can talk about where some of the odds came.
I mean, the Giants had four under yards total offense
against that Buffalo defense. I mean the problem is time
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first half they went right down the field and scored one.
But you know, the biggest problem with the Giants, with
with Eli is that when you got into the red
zone the last few years is they would just zone
you and and and take away the angles and and
and like yesterday with Daniel Jones, they played man too
many took off in rent. You know, it's they've been
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playing kind of I don't think unless you have a
legendary figure, I don't think there's gonna be another Brady.
You know, maybe one will rise through the years, but
I think unless you have somebody who's got such an
incredible vision of the field and in a cue that
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I don't think you can play without a mobile quarterback.
And there's no question that you need someone that has
the ability to move. You have to. It's too easy
for the defense if you don't, you know, I think
I think that it's just different. I mean, Brady gets
rid of the ball so fast, has that system down
to a plant is split second. Give them all credit
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in the world, but I don't think you're gonna be
seeing that ever again. Really, I mean, I think that
even teams time, I mean even thinks people things like
you know, Atlanta, They're gonna move on from Matt Ryan
in the next few years for the same type of reason. Um,
you know San Diego with Philip Rivers Los Angeles Philip Rivers.
Of course they will evolution essentially the game. You know,
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Lamar Jackson's to defend awesome, We'll see him against the
real defense. We have not seen that yet this year.
So let's do something really really interesting out of the blue.
Two years ago, I guess now we're talking about three
years ago, was the Deshaun Watson Mitchell Trubisky at my
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Homes draft. Then last year you had the three quarterbacks.
Then this year you have Daniel Jones re drafting. Patrick
Mahomes obviously first agreed Shaun Watson's second for me. Um,
Lamar Jackson's third. I think Baker Mayfield's fourth with Daniel Jones, fifth,
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Rubisky six missing. Josh Rosen's in there somewhere. You put
Trubisky Overdonald. I forgot about sand Donald. No, I would not,
I would, I would put Donald next. I'm not sure
that I wouldn't put Jones above Mayfield. From what I've seen,
it's a sure sample. It's one game, and I'm just saying,
but you're just you're you're talking about potential. I mean,
I I think that the two games I've watched you,
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I'm a little I think Mayfield is going to be okay,
not great, And I'll tell you why. I think being short,
he's not as accurate as Drew Brees, and he's not
as clever. So I think his height and he's not
the athlete that Russell Wilson, Kyler Murius for me, I'm
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leaving Baker in there. Listen, it's been a rough start.
He's got no line. I'm not putting down. I had
this argument somebody earlier today. I'm just saying he's short
and not a great athlete. I understand Drew Brees. Who
was you know Drew Brees is a better athlete. I
told you Drew Brees to be Andy Roddick and tennis.
I think when you little, you have to be a
great athlete, and Baker's okay, he's not a great athlete.
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Let me throw this at you, and I'll throw a
question at you. Am. You're you're one game. You're all
in on Danny Jones. Tell me how many quarterbacks you'd
rather have going forward than Daniel Jones right now? Well,
it's as you say, it's it's it's to one game,
one game. It's it's one game. You know, you can't
certainly you basically I think that so many of these
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guys are the same and it remains to be seen.
You certainly can't put him ahead of Dak or costs
in wins. Okay, you can put it, but remember you
gotta pay Dack thirty million dollars after this year. That's
a totally different argument. When you talk right now, who
would you would you? I mean, I think I think
if you put Daniel Jones on the Cowboys, he could
win in his first year with that offensive line. Okay,
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on on on a discount. But you can't put him
ahead of it, you know, you you you basically, and
then you get into the central Rodgers is obviously still better.
But I'm not still going right now who's better because
Roger's Rady and Breeze going forward like the next ten years,
Like I don't want Rady's not gonna last ten years.
Roger's not gonna last ten years. What what? From what
I've seen in terms of what I would like in
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a quarterback, I put Daniel Jones exactly with costs in wins, right, Okay,
I think they're exactly what you want. You want somebody big, athletic, smart,
who can throw the ball. I tend to you know,
there's less dirty laundry. I mean, you have the one
concern you have about Wentz is all that stuff that
came out last year, whether he's a team man being leader.
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Now now Jones is in the honeymoon, so you have
no idea about any any of that stuff. I think
that Deshaun Watson has won a lot more games in
college and a lot more games in the pros. The
one downside of Deshaun Watson He's already had two A C.
L reconstructions. Okay, so that that that you've got to
throw that into into into the equation. I think Donalds
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has been exactly what he's been at u USC When
he looks good, he looks great. Then he throws the
ball to the other team and he's a turnover waiting
to happen. Hasn't shown you that you'd be any different.
I think that Josh Allen is in that wentz. You know,
Daniel Jones big athletic. He's a little bit more athletic
than those guys. Yeah, and he's a lot less accurate
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with the ball, a lot less accurate with the ball,
but makes big plays, makes big plays, very inaccurate. That
is a little well, you know, he made the throws
and he had to make with the Giants against the Giants,
so I think he's a little bit less accurate. Mahomes
is in a class by himself, um in terms of
of of in terms of talent, and Lamar Jackson is
(38:17):
kind of the future. You know. The question about Lamar
Jackson is, you know he can throw the ball along,
you know, he can run. He probably is not going
to be great about throwing the scene past. And the
question is does that really make a difference when you're
that electric. I don't know the answer to that. I
don't know either. Obviously, before we were wrapped up, I
(38:39):
wanted to get to New England, and I wanted to
get to the Santonio Brown saga. They had a for
eleven days played last week sort of touchdown gets cut
a few days later. As allegations continue to come out,
the latest is he's retiring. He re enroll at Central
Michigan to finish get online online so someone else could
do it for him. He has a lot of issues,
(39:02):
which is remember what I said, Bill Pelichick would not
cure his impulsivity, he did. You know, we keep on saying, oh,
the New England Way, If the New England Way would
work for mental illness, you know we would, We would
have better treatments, We could mimic these type of things.
He is we you know I said it last week.
(39:23):
This is either a staged act or he's really off
his rocker. If he's off his rocker, it's gonna come
out really, really fast. And essentially he is completely impulsive,
so that when the allegations came out against him, his
impulsivity was to take control of the situation by threatening
the women who were you to come after me, which
(39:45):
basically then finished him off for good. Then what comes
out after that is essentially him saying, telling Bob Kraft
and Ben Roethlisberger, you know you have demons too, So
everybody has demons. Every He has weaknesses, but most of
us a can intellectualized back off understand. But he has
(40:11):
tremendous impulsivity that is acting out almost as if the
frontal lobe has been damaged. Okay, in this you know
I said from the very beginning it would be interesting
to look and to see whether there's been a decline
in his concussion inventories or was this just is this
(40:31):
just mounting itself at the present time. But his behavior
is bizarre. It's bizarre to not wear the protective equipment
and cry, oh it is. You can't make an argument now,
I understand, and you know he he doesn't understand these
things to the intellectual level. But you could make an
(40:51):
argument that sometimes equipment actually can cause more injuries because
it makes you feel infallible. Um. For ex ample, ski
helmets very rarely do anything right, and that's because you're
the missile. So if you're going so fast off a
bit to hit a tree, you're gonna break your neck.
It's not going to be you know, Whiskey helmets come
(41:12):
in handy is like if I bump into you on
the mountain, or if some ski hits you on the mountain.
But what argument? What is the The NFL is not
trying to hurt people by making helmets safer. There's no
argument to be made that you can't play with that helmet.
Everybody else is adapting. It's a different world. These things
(41:35):
that be are There's no argument to be made to
throwing furniture out of a balcony in a in a
place in Miami, and he these things should have been
looked into before. But to think that Bill Belichick was
going to solve them, it's just like Bill Belichick's gonna
solve drug abuse. Bill Belichick is gonna solve Aaron Hernandez.
Aaron Hernandez, by all intensive purposes, shot people at the
(41:59):
University of flour and according to most most reporting, Urban
Mia wanted him off the campus, which is why he
turned pro. And and the Patriots knew all this stuff.
You know, I think that first and foremost of the
Belichick obviously wants to win, and it'll do whatever a
(42:20):
football coach when he's not the you know, he's not
a rabbi or the pope. He's a football coach very
much so, and I think that if he could stay
on the field, Belichick will get the most out of him,
and that's all he cares about until it becomes more
of a public relations you know, sometimes it happens to
(42:41):
good people. I actually believe that Tim Tebow's gotten screwed
in life. I screwed in life, not in life, but
in football because he wasn't good enough to put up
with the circus. But he was certainly one of the best.
Fifteen hundred Football is thirty times fifty, so that's fiftundred people.
It would be hard to argue that Tim Tebow was
(43:01):
not one of the best fifteen hundred football players in
the United States. The same with Colin Kaepernick. Absolutely a
d percent agree with you. He may not be good
enough to put up with what he trucks with satellites
outside your practice facility. That's a different story. Okay, that's
a different story. You don't want your backup quarterback to
(43:24):
be the media attention star of the entire team. You
don't want everybody asking when are you gonna play Tebow
when he's your third strang or your backup quarterback. But
you know, other than that, they only care about the perception.
Nobody would have nobody, you know, Cleveland would put Kareem
(43:44):
Hunt on the field tomorrow, no question about it, no
question about it. The Giants, let's not forget after hearing
allegations about Josh Brown, they didn't cut him until became
a pr nightmare and he's a kicker, exactly. They it's
only the perception of of these things, and that that
(44:06):
that people really care about. And you know, it's it's
interesting to think about why did the Giants trade Beckham?
The Giants traded Backham because I got sick and tired
of him. The ownership group, the general manager got sick
and tired of him. Guys in the locker room have
nothing bad to say about him, Right, That's that's that
that that that's that's that's what I mean. They got,
(44:27):
they got, they got sick and tired of him. Yeah.
I gotta tell you, though, I gotta tell you I
was thinking yesterday, man, it would be nice having Daniel
Jones's Odell Beckham Jr. Because he can really lead him.
I mean, you know, you know, Shepard looks much looked
much better than he has in in in in a
long time. And Evan Ingram. You know where did that
(44:47):
come from? I mean it was like he was shot
out of a cannon. It was awesome, fast as he's
ever run in his career. I mean, and he looked it.
I mean it wasn't like you needed to stop watch
watch to tell. But let's go around the league, you know,
and you think com minutes left your nuck? Okay. You know,
Dallas looks like they're they're doing just fine. I mean
they they they look really really good. You know, Pittsburgh,
(45:11):
although they were all in three big games coming up.
I mean again, they haven't really lost within the division.
That division doesn't seem like a juggernaut. You know, Baltimore
seems like it's the class of the division. But you know,
they haven't won anything yet. Um there's Buffalo. Who's more
for real? Buffalo of the forty niners. I'd say that
(45:33):
it's really good question, really good question. But I'd say
San Francisco is more real to me. I think San
Francisco is more real. But Buffalo has two more games
with the Jets, one more game with the Jets, and
two games with Miami. So that's six wins okay that
they should have and now they only have to figure
out to win three or four of the rest, so
that whereas San Francisco is playing in a tough division. Definitely, definitely,
(45:56):
but I believed the stat that a g B G
is Kyle Shanahana's is that coach? Yeah, you know, I
guess the quarterback means something. It definitely definitely means something.
Don This has been awesome. Also hanging out with you
today tonight. You got the Bears and Washington. What do
you think under by the way, in fantasy, I think
(46:20):
the case keenom you know why, based off it's the
New York Giants this weekend. I mean, you know, I
mean this, this Haskins begin to see the field. I
don't know, I really think that, Um, the Bears have
really struggled. I mean, Washington has no defense. But I
think that the Bears will all scheme and and it's
(46:42):
hard to keep on doing that. Um and you know,
Red is gone for Washington. Washington seems like they get
they you know, maybe bet Washington in the first quarter.
They seem to get off the fast thoughts and then
they get blown out. The defense doesn't hold up, even
just not hold up? Did defense not hold up or
(47:02):
can you take so many things away from Case Keenan
that you come out And I always thought that Jake
Gruden is a good coach. I know he's gonna get
lose his job, but I I really feel that his
schemes are excellent. He really finds your weaknesses and and
does that. So I think they come out and and
they scheme and they can do things. But then you
can take that away from Case Keenan. Yeah. I also
(47:26):
think Jay Green is not a bad coach, to be honest, um,
but he's Keenum. While limited, I don't think the defense
holds up. I stand by that. I'll put it this way.
If Jake Gruden becomes available, I'd hire him to be
in my offense. I'm down. I'm down for that. But
does he just reunite with his brother in Oakland? Maybe?
I mean, I don't know all ago work for Sean McVeigh,
(47:49):
his former OFFNS Corners as quarterback coach. Possibly. I mean,
but I think that Jake Gruden knows football. I've actually
think I know this is really really strange to say,
but I actually think that Washington through the whole Kirk
Cousins nonsense, the hand that he's been dealt. I think
that he's outperformed their roster, and I know they haven't
(48:11):
done very much, but he's been in the thick of
a few playoff races. They would have made the playoffs
last year if he didn't lose all of his quartermin
I agree with that. I don't. I don't know he's
a bad coach. I don't think he's a great coach.
I don't think he's ever been really given a chance
to be right with with talent, I don't. I don't
necessarily know how we can I mean, how do we
(48:31):
determine coaches? Okay, obviously super Bowls and stuff like that,
but when they you know who do you who? Who
has exceeded their their talent talent pool and you know
Sean Payton, as we said, great preparation, Maybe not the
greatest on the spot in game coach. But but I
think that Washington has played better each year then people
(48:56):
thought they were going to play. I don't disagree. Like
I said, I liked. I think he's a nice think
he's been a nice job. I do um he hasn't
had the best roster, he's made the most of it,
and he's had craziness with the whole thing with Kirk
Cousins playing at his option and all of that. Yeah,
you know, it's every single absolutely left. His left eye
was not showing up. I mean that organization really has
(49:19):
not put him in an advantageous place. One of the
reasons I think he keeps his job is I don't
think anybody wants to take that job. Yeah, you can
always find somebody. You can always find somebody. For years
and one of the Brown's job and they always found
somebody like Patton. It's always a make Patton. Well, it's
going to be interesting. If the Browns don't turn it around.
Kitchens won't make it through the season. Kiders let make
it through the season at re what record because they
(49:43):
have some tough games. If they're one and five, he
doesn't make it through the season, they're one in five,
he'll make it. Absolutely absolutely, I think that you're gonna
have chaos in that place and they'll find somebody. I
think it's you know, they if they started you can't
bring in a guy and then just quit on him
six games in. They quit on Steve Wilkes in one year,
(50:05):
and they would you know, and that's because they felt
they weren't playing for anything, you know, and that was
with low expectations. With these expectations en Dorset's ego. Watch
with that, we say good night for now. He is
Dr Mitchell Roslin. I am Grag Sauserman. Make sure you
check out all of our other programs on demand. All
you gotta do is search dot chock right here on YouTube.
(50:28):
Have a great night, enjoy the game and get your
picktoc I'm going to take the Bears. I'll take the
Bears as well, Dob Bears. We're talking about Rosalind. I'm
Greg Susman. I have a great night, See you next time. Bye.
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