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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What is up, everybody? This is Doc Jack here on
the Fantasy Sports Network, of course, brought to you by
Sports Grid. That is Dr Mitchell rosalind I am Greg Sussman.
Baseball is finally back in the news, diet. It's finally
the trade deadline. Are you doing, Doc, I'm I'll use
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the word bewildered. I'll use the word bewildered as I'm
looking at what our local New York Mets are doing
and I guess, um, I guess no one really has
an idea and it's too early to judge, but I'll
use the word bewildering. Um, it's fascinating. They go after
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Stroman yesterday and then they dumped basically Vugus is salary,
so that it's financial the neutral for them, and once again,
I think it sends a message to the entire world
that the Mets are a big market team that have
a small market mentality. Let's get into all of that,
as the Mets were thought to be by everybody sellers
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at this deadline, that they had pieces like a Jason Vargas,
like more importantly, a Zach Wheeler, a Noah's Synderguard, a
Todd Fraser, plenty of pieces that they were able to
potentially trade away. Well. The first big move of these
deadline season was acquiring one of the top starting pitchers
on the market, acquiring Marcus Strouman from the Toronto Blue
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Jays for two of their top prospects. Not prospects that
were inside Baseball America's top one hundred or anything like that,
but for Anthony Kay and for an eighteen year old
and single a ball who does seem to have potential
for everything I've read doc seems like a good trade
for the Mets. So they didn't have to give up
an exorbitant amount for Marcus Stroman, which is strange when
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you look at the whole thing, makes zero sense. First
of all, why was the markets for Marcus Stroman so low?
Or again, when it comes to prospects, beauty is in
the eye of the behold. So it's so funny the
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strong opinions people have, like at the NFL Draft, how
we argue the Giants was stupid and this, and that
we've badly seen any of these players play. When it
comes to baseball, we've never seen anybody play. And within
the Mets, I would say that Alonzo and McNeil are
two of the best young players they've ever brought up.
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Neither was on Evan you know, Keith Law's radar or
anything like that. They basically did it the old fashioned
way by hitting the ship out of the ball and
double ad And that's why they listen the Blue Jays.
Evidently one of this dude back in the draft of
Mets stole them from him. So the Blue Jays had
their eye on these prospects. They felt getting two quality
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starting pitchers that ultimately could line up with this next
core with Vladin Bobachett who was called up Um and
Lorna's Garrielle and a couple of these other guys will
all line up. Well, fine, I get it. But the
Mets a team that is on the periphery of being
in contention here we were talking about before the show. Uh.
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Three teams are currently tied the two wild card spots
in the NL, followed by the Phillies and the Brewers,
one back each the Giants or two and a half
back the Dyving Backs, and three and a half games
back the Mets are six out. There are one, two, three, four,
five six teams ahead of them for one of the
two wild card spots. So the thing that I I
have a problem with is decide what you're going to be. Okay,
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decide what you're going to be. And if I'm the Mets,
what I would decide I was going to be. So
I was gonna say the one advantage and seeing the
Yankees against Boston, especially as we get into the summer,
and again we've talked about how with openers maybe starting
picture has become less important. But the advantage that the
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Mets theoretically could throw out is they could throw out
a major league picture every single day. And as much
as we've maligned this administration, the Mickey, calloway By and Lodge,
they've done a reasonable job. No one's perfect in keeping
their starters reasonably healthy. I know Matt's miss time will
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it just came off the disabled list, but by and large,
for the last two years, their starters have made a
lot more starts than than You're You're you're surprised. So
I didn't really get getting Stroman, but you know, again,
you have them for another year of control. You feel
you're gonna lose Wheeler, so you're going to do that.
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But I didn't get what's the rush to get rid
of Augus Less, you're dumping salary. And is the two
million dollars that they're playing Stroman that important? Why not?
You know Augustin saw young and and and and everybody
in New York wanted to run him out of town
that second the Mets signed him. That being said, he's
had a very major league season. You know, he just
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pitched six good innings the other night. He's been dependable,
he's eaten up innings. You have five guys and not
going to stay healthy. If you're really going for it,
what's the rush to get rid of him for a nonentity?
Well again, so let let's take it as it is.
Bargas was treated, uh just moments ago to the Philadelphia Affilies,
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a team one of those teams that are ahead of events, um,
both in the division and the wild card. They've traded
him for a nonentity, A twenty six year old uh double,
A catcher who's batting under two hundred double, A who
is a good defensive catcher. Obviously can't. He's gonna revert
to the mean and hit a hot street. Um. Jesus
Vargas e er all this season was four point oh
one is extra sat at over five point two. His
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caper nine was close to the worst of his career
at seven point seven three. Ultimately, he was UH six
and five in ninety four innings pitched this season. But
as Doc was saying, he is a major league starter,
and I get trading Jason Vargas away, I do. You're
not picking up his option next year? You don't want
to pay him? I get it. There you training for
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something like all you did was training for some salary
relief that you got. You picked up a couple just
what I said, small market mentality. If you're gonna go
for it, and this is the problem is is it
seems like there's something different on Saturday than they are
on Monday. If you're gonna go for it, what is
your advantage? It ain't defense? Okay, So you what you're
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essentially playing is starting pitching and hitting the ball out
of the ballpark. Okay. And that's not a bad combination, sure, now,
of course not okay, especially as you get you know,
one of the reasons the Mets have played better, and
to some degree we seen the Yankees play worse, is
the hitting exceeds the pitching. This time of year, people
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get tired and this is the time when teams do
make runs. Called Kyle Album made a run last year,
and I don't think it's likely. But the only way
the Mets make a run is if they're starting pitching
is better than the other teams starting pitching, like it
was this weekend against Pittsburgh. So the Mets only make
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a run if they have more often And I actually
think that you need six arms to do that. Jo
Joe Sherman just tweeted out that in August four since
August fourteenth of last season or last year, Margus e
r A in twenty seven games, twenty six of them
starts three point five six. Is that e r A
he's functional over that same period of time In twenty
two starts, Marcus Stroman is three point four five Very similar, Yeah, listen,
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I That's why I think what happened is there they
got Stroman, they were gonna cheap, and they had some
sort of deal in place for somebody else and they
just didn't want the extra payroll, so they got rid
of it today. And I just think that's just another
indication that the Mets are small market mentality. I have
no idea what's coming out afterwards. You know, I have
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no idea, you know, all to talk about Synder God.
I think that if you trade Synder God now I
and I have no problem treading anybody. I don't think
there's any I guess McNeil and Alonso and now that
you signed him to Graham would be untouchables on the Mets.
But I have no problem for the right value. But
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that being said, Synder God has the attraction of being
one of the guys that he could if if you're
going to draft pitchers and you think of who could
be the most dominant in the future, there are very
few names that come up before Synder God. He has
actually underperformed, but he was very good in the World Series.
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He I know he missed a lot of time last year,
but it wasn't arm injuries. His arm seems to be
somewhat durable. Reaching into what we talked about, like it
seems that some of these guys go south and then
some of them can go a long time. And I mean,
I would not trade Synder Guard unless I'm bringing back
you know, if if you're talking to the Padres, my
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name starts with Fernando Tatis, they're not doing that, you know,
And it makes no sense. The Yankees call on the phone,
I'm talking Torres, and at first you'd say absolutely not.
But I can tell you look at where the Yankees were,
and the Yankees are gonna be in the playoffs either way.
And the question is that the Yankees going to have
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a horse get them home or are they going to
try to win the Joe Tory way, just like they
did Atlanta by turning the game to the bullpen in
the fifth inning. I think they need a horse. I
don't see a horse Severino at his best. You know,
at the end of last year, they couldn't wait to
get him out the game. They have to four innings,
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so who to knocker? You know, has hitched incredibly well
in the playoffs, but I gotta tell you, you know,
he's a home run waiting to happen. It has not
crapped out on them in the playoffs like it did
in Finnway Park the other day. But I think that again,
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he when when when if you make him not throw
the splitter is fastball. He can't get by people, so
he's not fooling you. The ball can go out of
the ballpark. So I really think that the Yankees need
a horse. They need a very landa. They need somebody
that can go out and do that. And that's why
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I said I would have given up the farm from
bum Gardner a few years ago. A few weeks ago,
he's not there. I mean, if I'm the Yankees, I'm
bringing back Zach Rank, Syndergarde or you know, bum Gardner,
somebody of that ilk and those are the only three
names that I can think of. Marcus Stroman' is not
that guy. I have no problem Brian Cashman saying, you know,
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uh uh, you know, I'm not I'm gonna pass. Marcus
Stroman is exactly what they have five. You know. I
think he's maybe a touch better because I think he
has a you know, a big game personality. But I
don't think he's that horse. And I think the Yankees
need that horse. They need somebody who can go out
and give to get them straight to the ninth inning
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if they really want to win a World Series. They
were already in the playoffs. You would think they are
the playoffs. I agree, and it's extremely clear, especially over
this past weekend, uh and the last week rather facing
the Twins and the Red Sox, that they need somebody
that they need help because James Paxton and Jay have
and thus far without having the feel of his splitter
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massa hero to Naka Caesar's Matthis on the I L
it's now all force, all force, maybe threes, But nobody
is a true horse. No one's a true wors Now Paxson,
you would have hoped would have been a true too.
But let's face it. If you're going into a game
against the Houston Astros, who are or the Boston Red Sox,
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you know, I'd say that you know the Red Sox
in their common in a heavy American league, do you
really think those teams are can score four runs against
that pitching staff. I think every every team will score
four runs against the pitching staff. So that's my point,
you know, And you know what, Noah Synder good, especially
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if the Yankees get him right, Okay, you know, good
pitching stops good hitting. If Noah Synder God is on
his game, he can throw seven zeros and now you
only have to win three games in a series. Listen.
So if you look at the market and you get
any of the possible pictures that are out there, there
is no question. And I'll include Madison Bumbgorer in that conversation,
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the god has the highest upside, Syndergards the guy. Okay,
if synder God, Syndergards the guy. If you were going
to sit and draft pictures, not what we listen, We
do it every year in fantasy baseball, Okay, not what
they've done with the potential of what you think they're
going to do. That is the draft every March Fantasy baseball.
We do it. I mean, I can think a few
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names that have higher upsides than Syndergard. You want to
tell me walka Beulah, I may grant you walka Beulah. Okay,
it's certainly. I think Kerr Shure, whose phenomenal is on
the downside of his career ver Land on the day
we're talking. But I want to talk about really the
next two years. That's what he's under contract for, right so,
like so the Guard's twenty six years old, to be
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twenty seven years old next month, part of his career.
You're looking for a guy you want to talk about,
some names like Gide, Max Scherzer. I understand how old
he Isn't Max, He's the dominant picture in Major League baseball,
right Walker Bueler is a little bit younger. Fine, a
guy like Garrett Cole I'd rather have at this point,
Noah Syndergarden. I think that's I mean, I you know again,
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if you're talking, you're talking, resume. I can't argue with
you talking upside. I think Sinder God may have him.
I don't know about that, but but but but that's fine.
Garrett Coles on the astroids edn't happening. No, it's it's okay.
He's a free agent after this year though, he's a
free agent. But again, this is the year that you
have to toronto it. I mean, if you're the Yankees,
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this is the year you go for it. I mean,
you know again, I have to ask that with with
you know what Brian Cashman's goal is. Now. The Yankees
are okay, kind of with the Billy Bean philosophy, which is,
you know, we want to make the playoffs as much
as we can, and the playoffs are a crapshoot we
can't really determine. But my job as a general managers
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to have us in the playoffs every single year. Then
I wouldn't go out and do it, okay, because they're
already there and you know, chance blah, blah blah. If
they want to win a World Series, I think they
need a horse. So I don't dispute that they do
need a The only horse that are is out there
on the market. You take bone garder Off, I agree,
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is Noah's Syndergard. But to go out and get no
Ah Syndergard, it has to be the right cost. Now,
I agree with you. You sacrifice the future if you
get a piece to win the World Series. Now the
Mets would be the Mets are be stupid as stupid
could be to take three. You know, a Schmogess board
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of our grandparents would say, is Schmutz okay? And and
I don't even mean Schmutz in the Schmutz sense, like
you know, prospects of the and dou horror. I know
he's out with an injury. That have have things. There's
a small amount of pitching out on the market. There
are a few people who can be horses. And you
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start the conversation with the gliber torres is. I know
that's really painful for the Yankees to do. They won't
do it. Well, that's fine, they shouldn't do it. I
don't necessarily know about that. I know that everyone say
that say that right now. But again, the Yankees have
been able to patch it together with the GEO your soulas,
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and not able to patch the pitching together. Remember they
got Glibra Torres for Rand for Chapman. You know, yeah,
you know they have DJ they have a glut of
players there. May see that they don't because you have
me Yell and Door who's hurt. Who knows what will
be when he comes back? Yeah, Die grigory Is is is
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a free agent in two months. You have Lamaya. That's it.
I understand. But the Mets would be stupid to take
a prospect shot of the Vladimir Guerrero who they're not
getting because Toronto is at a different stage, Fernando Tatis, Glybratore.
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But you're not See the thing is, you're not naming
prospects anymore. You were naming bona fide young major league
and that's what the Mets have to bring back for that.
I don't know any team is going to do that
because Glabor Tory. Here's the thing. Vandimir Guerrero is twenty
years old, Fernando Tatis twenty years old, Glabor Torres is
twenty two years old. The Yankees and that's not sacrificed
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in the future. I sacifrasing the present. In all these cases,
I understand, I understand. The question is. You know, the
question is, and it's a very tough laboratoris it is
a fantastic player, you know, fantastic player. He's gonna. I
have the stats in front of me, right average. This year,
he's got twenty homers, scored fifty five ob pieces, he's
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a terrific playoffs awesome, Okay, no question about it. But
I would not be sending Synder Good, oh Glarssia the
top pitching prospect or anything. First of all, how many
of those guys have really, really, really really made it?
Of course, Okay, I would not be sending him any
prospect like that obviously. Well, you know, can it's kind
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of I think we hit a different time because, you know,
we don't believe Tatis was like that. We don't believe
that Guerrero. These guys really have come on with probably
higher credentials than than just the average best prospect that
we've seen. Okay, they seem to be you know, it's
like the difference of Lebron James coming into the league,
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you know, or even more rapp Zion Williamson. We haven't
had a conversation about a first year player like last
year's draft. DeAndre Eaton certainly wasn't comparable to Zion Williamson.
So I think that the Tatis Guerrero fan fear coming
in is higher than what I've seen in recent years,
and it looks like they've lived up to it. And
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you know, honestly, the Mets guy could be the best
rookie of them all. Alonso, you know, you know, he
certainly can make a very strong argument. And he hasn't
been that bad with the glove either. You know, he's
actually played a he's been awesome. He's actually played a
pro national first base. He has been awesome. So, I mean,
trades is supposed to hurt. I mean, I I think that,
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you know, at first, the Yankees reaction is no, no, no,
no no. But at the end of the day, I
don't think if the Yankees are not sitting there, who's
gonna be the you know who's you know, the you know,
his dad says, the horse with no name. If Brody
is smart. The conversation with me starts and finishes with
Labratorius called me back. I mean, that's what I would say.
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And you know, as you come closer to the deadline,
we're two days away. Now you come closer to the deadline.
It's a tough decision. I know Yankee fans are probably
you'd say absolutely, not absolutely okay, And and but you know,
I don't know. Then you're gonna be bringing back another
jahap here, bringing back another j Hay, bringing back another Jhap.
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I won't sacrifice the next five years of labor to us.
I won't do it. The Yankees won't be sacrificing. They
don't find a they'll find another Glibra tourist. And it's
that easy. Does It's not that easy? But you know
they already have you know, you know, it's like I know,
you call what's running. You're a Yankee fan, you go, okay,
I'll give you Frasier, Okay, that's great. He doesn't have
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a position in the National League. I'll give you and
do her. He doesn't have a position in the National League,
and he doesn't have an arm, okay, And then we'll
throw in our best pitching prospect. I just want to
remind you, you know, the last Yankee pitching prospect that
really kind of I guess Sevorino. You could say se counts.
Savorino counts. But you know, the Yankees do a great
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jobst building up their prospects. So by a beware, okay,
bya be aware, Okay, it's rare that cashman trades a
prospect in it backfires, buyer beware totally okay, But I
think that Cashman is that a and I don't blame
him again, decides what you want to do? Is it is?
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This is the playoffs a crap shoot? Or I know
I'm gonna be in it and I have to win
the world serious and then I'll figure out. Because the
Yankees have enough power to win without laboratories this year.
I don't know about that. You really don't know what
I mean. They score a lot of runs and you're
gonna have to stanton coming back you have and costing
your own you have, you have judge, I mean, you
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have a lot of power on that team. You don't
have a horse, definitely not. You don't have a horse,
definitely not. And and you know, you know, bum Gader
would have been a great choice. I don't think he's
on the market. In Sinndergrad you control for two years
and you know that's but short of that, if you're
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the Mets, would you what would you take a few
of the Mets? If you you throw him off the table,
if you throw Glaver off the table, the question becomes,
and you don't want to hear this, but the question becomes,
is Debbie Garcia and Clint Fraser, who obviously are the
yankees to top prospects, and there's two top trade pieces?
Does that get you close? If the answers, no, the
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Yankees don't, there's no match. I don't know anything about Glarcia, okay,
but I tend to believe that no one you know, no, no,
there's no way that you're gonna let Clint fraseruld be
the centerpiece of the trade. Garcia would be the center
piece of the trade. If that's the kiss. If Glarcia
was such good, why isn't he up here? He's very
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young still and he started the year in single eye
and he will be up. There's a chance he's up
this year, you know. That would be my point. And
if I'm the Mets, the likelihood that Garcia is going
to be is good as Synder God and have his
upside as Synda God is very very low. You know again,
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synder God was the tough guy when the Mets played
in the playoffs against the Dodgers and against the Royals.
Here was the guy who came out, you know when
the grass really muscled his way through you know, seven
innings in that game, five or six, really didn't have
his best stuff that kind of you know, came out
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of the bullpen and went one to three in the
seventh inning. He was the guy at you know, city field,
that deck the Royal guy after it. I think syndergrads
a good big game picture. I I I would you know,
I wouldn't be you know again, I know he hasn't
had two great years. I know he hasn't reached his potential,
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but his potential is a picture I think is equivalent
to Glibers as a position player. I think gliber is
better for a hundred and sixty two games, but I
think Syndergod is more important if you're already in the playoffs.
So the when we're talking about Stroman and talking about Syndergard,
the obvious conversation leads to what are the Mets doing?
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What is their plan? And I think it changed overnight.
And I don't know, because you have Buster only who's
been on this whole day twinning out that rival exact
evaluators not believe the Mets are going to trade Edwin
Diaz for July, then what are you acquiring markers Stroman for.
I don't get it. I don't get anything. And what
he I mean, I I you know, the first reaction
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I had when Brody made the deal for Stroman is
that he couldn't admit that he screwed the pooch and
he was going to do everything he can to compete.
When when when he's doing it, Like I was trying
to think about that, you acquire Marcus Stroman, you're gonna
trade away Zach Wheeler, You're gonna let Zach Wheeler walk
and he replaces him in the rotation. I'm just like,
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you're giving up prospects to do that. Are you gonna
get better proceects for Wheeler than he gave up for Stroman?
I don't know about that. You're not probably not especially
sure year of control of course not you you you
you might have before he heard his arm because probably
not though, because you're talking about two years or sorry,
one year work versus two months, right, I mean again,
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I think First of all, over the career, Stroman has
been a better pitcher than Zach Weel. But if you
ask who could be more dominant in anyone night, it's
probably Zach wheel is it? I think so? I don't
know about that. I think so Zach Will has got
look at strikeouts Parning Wheeler. Yes, I mean, you know,
and that's what we usually equate with domin Dominan. He's
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not even like a groundball. I mean the guy that
you think is gonna have who do you trust more rummen? Okay,
you trust Stroman more, but who do you think who
has more electric stuff? I mean, you know, again, this
goes back to where we started with with Jason Vargus.
Jason Vargus numbers has been as good as both of
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these guys, but he's not sexy, he's not good looking.
He doesn't do it the same way. No one like
like you and I aren't scared to get into a
batter's box against Jason Vargus. Okay, you know, you would
really really not want to see Zach Will throw a
fastball up in and then throw a slide around the
outside corner. You really wouldn't want to pit hit see
synder God all six with six of him who basically
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throws the ball when he's basically touching you, come down
down on you. Marcus Strumman is is as short as
we are. Okay, he doesn't look nearly as dominant, So
it goes. But in terms of results, Stroman has been
a better picture than wheel and been and he's made
more thoughts. There's there's no comparison. But again, if you're
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going for game seven and you're hoping that somebody just
goes and pitches lights out, and you say, Asta, Leavista,
Zach Wheeler has better stuff than Marcus Strumman, and that's fair.
So what the hell the that's doing? I have no idea.
I I think that they had some sort of deal
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in place and they got Stroman so they'd have five
pitchers in the rotation. Something fell through and then they
wanted to stay budget neutral, so they gave away Jason Vargas,
and I say, they saved two million dollars in the deal,
and they picked up two millions something in it, And
well Stroman was seven million pro rated and they got
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some money going back. So that go So, I, like
I said, which bothers me, is that obviously they did
this to be budget neutral. They didn't do this for value.
It's not like they were replacing the prospects because Vargas
has no value from that standpoint, Jason Vargas and the
Mets no no more. Jason Bargus Courts headed to Philadelphia.
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It'll be interesting to see who he replaces in the
Phillies rotation. Zach Ethen has been terrible as late. Vine
Alaska has just got back into the rotation. We'll see
what happens with the Phillies. And they traded him within
division into a team that's ahead of them. This that
make any sense at all? For for for nondescript catching,
And it doesn't matter if you're not going for it,
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if you don't care. And then I got it. But
but then say that, I mean again, you can't really
say that. But you you know, none of this makes
any degree of sense. I guess you gotta see what
what the end result is. The only thing I will
say is, if you trade nowhere, Synder God, you should
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get somebody who's got both the upside and somewhat guaranteed um.
And because he you know, you know, I don't know
who the Minnesota twin guy that meets that you know,
description is. But I think all of these teams really
really need a horse, and I think that, you know,
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one of the things that I will tell you about
the Yankees is the Yankees have not made a trade
that's hurt and that maybe something that Brian Cashman has
to consider. I mean, he's spent so many times building
these prospects. I think he's gotten a little bit reluctant.
You know, it may not be a great deal in
five years, but right now he needs to close. In
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the next year or two. We'll see ultimately what Brian
Cashine does and the rest of all of these contenders
trying to make their moves the next two days. What
do you think about just one trade deadline this year
on July thirty one. I always thought the whole wave
of thing was kind of ridiculous. After that, I mean,
you know, it's and you know, I kind of like
they just get done and and stuff stuff like that. Um,
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but I mean, what do you what what would you
do if you're the Yankees? I wouldn't, as I mentioned,
trade away labor Torres for no Yindergarten. What does Zach
Wheeler cost me? If I'm the Mets. You have the
Yankees over a barrel, I'd ask for probably not getting
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gloss here, I'd probably asked I'd probably ask for the
second best picture in this system. The second best picture
in their assystem is probably albert A Brave, who I
think is actually hurt. That's what that's probably probably dobably
what i'd asked for. I think it's done. You know, again,
I don't know what the doing. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I think that's what you basically would do. Um. You know,
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I think I think that Zach Willing makes tremendous amount
of sense for the Yankees because I think his upside
is his his you know, you know, he's the girl
with a T when he when he's good, he's very
very good. And I actually I've watched a lot of
his games. I've actually think he's been very good and
made some bad pictures in the wrong time this year,
but more often than not. And you know, I just
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wonder one thing that it's going on is I wonder
if the Mets are thinking about relieving one of these
who I don't know, but if they get rid of days,
I mean, they're not gonna let familiar cloth. I mean
it's gonna be really interesting that you get rid of
das you take on Cano's contract. Um, you traded away clinic.
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I thought that they would just you know, I thought
they should have gotten you know, they have a way,
way too much just taking Keno's contractor. I mean, that's
what I thought was happening. And I was almost gonna say, boy,
I like that. That was almost like what the Browns
did with um the quarterback Witheiler. Right, That's what I
thought the deal was. And then I saw it was
a real baseball deal. I said, what are they doing? Right? Okay?
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You know, I thought canoas tron track, I mean, while
Steroids was untradeable, and then came the Men's and then
came Brody, you know, and and and that made no
sense at that time. And I think Brody is a
bright guy, and eventually we'll figure it out. But right
now you have your head scratching. Moving on, I found
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the interest of fascinating story about like a rather favorite
general manager in New York. You know, one talking about
Odell Beckham as all of his receivers are dropping like flies.
But the story about Golden Tate's kind of interesting from
a medical perspective, so he's not the first player to
be suspended for using if it's fertility draw. Robert Mathis
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was also suspended and he appealed and he lost. For
those at missing, Golden Tate spend it for four games.
The Giants knew about this back in April, and Golden
Tate is appealing and says, listen, I didn't do anything
perform dance performance enhancing. I was trying to like, yeah,
my wife pregnant, and that included a substance I was
not allowed to take. And I haven't the new performance dancing.
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I am appealing. Robert Mathis did it, he lost, his appeal,
suspensially was upheld, and Golden listen, I don't know. First
of all, I can talk about the medicine. I can't
talk about Golden Tate. So clo pit is mainly a
female infertility drug that essentially blocks estrogen, so it raises
testosterone levels by working in the central newance system in PETU.
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So it's the first line treatment for female infertility. And
since it can boost testosterone, it's been used with miss
efficacy in mail infertility. Okay, not basically bluepoint really really simple.
You know, if I'm hearing this appeal, I just look
at Golden Tate and I'd say, let me see what
your testosterone level was, let me see what the slides
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were on your sperm. My understanding he just had a
kid right before this then, because there was no real
workup done, so it's really easy to see the truth. Okay,
because you know, if you go for an infertility work up,
both you and her worked up, okay, and test the gotten.
They're gonna measure your testosterone level. They're gonna look at
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your sperm underneath the slide. Okay. So if under doctor's
advice is that he met me in the bar and
I said, take some clo pit so you're you know
you have raging testosterone. I don't think that's gonna fly.
He's going to have to show that he had a
legitimate work up for infertility, which might guarantee you he
did not even if he did. Even if he did,
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he's still gonna get suspended. I would tend to think
if he could show you that his testosterone was lost,
but it's still at your responsibility, I understand and that,
But if he could show you that he went to
doctor urologists, okay, Okay, with his wife. Okay, they went
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for infertility and they did a complete work up, and
he was the problem, and the doctor prescribed treatment, and
it was based on scientific evidence that he is you know,
testosterone was low, there was a problem with his sperm count,
et cetera. I think that he has a plausible loogument.
I would tend to believe that none of that stuff exists.
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But I may be very wrong. I don't even think
it matters. We've already seen the president with Robert Mathis.
As I said, but you don't know what they asked
for in the appeal. You know that I'm saying. So
if I'm hearing the appeal, I'd say, Okay, you know,
show me open up your medical records and show me
that you were worked up for this condition, because it
would be it is, the efficacy of cloth pit in
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males is very controversial, so I would find it very
very hall to believe that that would be prescribed. But
you know, but it's known to really get your testosterone juice.
We'll see ultimately next week is when Golden Tate's appeal
is expected to occurb. Let me go around NFL training
camp here for a moment. I want to go to
Los Angeles. I want to go specifically in Melvin Gordon,
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because Melvic Gordon is holding out of training camp and
says listen, hey me, or I'm not showing up to
the president. Has been set by levy On Bell, who
legitimately sat out a year it was allowed to walk
and ultimately got paid. Melvin Gordon is not lady On Bell,
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but he's a pretty darn good running back in the NFL.
I think he's got the third most yawds from scrimmage
behind early in Ezekiel Elliott of the last three years.
That's that. So the thing with Melvin Gordon, though, is
does he have the ability to hold out for an
entire season light belted or like most of these holdouts, Well,
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it just show up. So it's really interesting and things
take a life of their own. I don't understand why
I would disagree. I would agree with certain running backs
being under a value, but essentially I would list players
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like Ezekiel Elliott, Barkley, Lavian Bell the class. I think
underneath those guys would be Melvin Gordon as as playmakers. Okay,
and in my mind, I don't think it makes a
difference if the playmaker winds up on the outside like
Antonio Brown, okay, orligns up on the inside. I I
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actually think if I had a choice between Beckham and Barkley,
I think that Barkley has a chance to make more
of an impact on a game then Beckham, and I
think that Barkley would be a more valuable player that
I could do more things if I was in offensive coordinator,
if I could only pay one of the two guys,
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and I couldn't care where they lined up. So I
think that this has taken a life of its own,
and I understand these guys points. And you know, I
was always very sympathetic the Levy on Bell's point last year.
And what I do think is true is that running
the ball, even though a J Green got hurt in
practice and stuff like that, um, I think running the
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ball takes more out of your shorter and these guys
have the shortest career time that I think, especially if
Levy on Bell performs well, that rather than age, we're
going to be looking at miles on the speedometer. And
I think that all of these guys don't want to
be the next Demaco Murray, where I think the Cowboys
just gave him the ball. It's seven thousand times. You know,
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it's funny. I was reading that Anthony Kay like Connecticut
pitched Yes, Yukon pitched him to death, and that was
supposedly one of the things that the Mets were concerned with,
and and and and stuff like that, and and that
his arm fatigued and he started out like the lights
on fire, and you know, his season's gone downhill. So
I'm very sympathetic to guys like Melvin Gordon, and I
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think that they're gonna hold their ground because I think
their thought process is that I only have so many
hits and so many carries in this body, and if
I defer them to two thousand and twenty, I'm better off.
And I also think that the biggest thing is not
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so much the one year money in the franchise. I
think it's the guaranteed money is becoming more and more
important to the running backs, very much so. And I
think that's exactly where UM read exactly where we're at it.
We're all of these football players in general want guaranteed money.
They want to be paid because they understand that he
mentioned to Marco Murray, they're gonna be worn out that
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they the teams do not care about them at all,
and that first contract after getting drafted, it would you like,
assuming you have a certain amount of money and you're
the Dallas Cowboys and you can either pay Ezekiel Elliott
or Marie Cooper, who do you pay? So does that so?
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Yet common perception is received has been more valuable. I
don't buy that. I think they're all playmakers. If they
line up in the tight end position like Travis Kelsey,
or they line up in the running back position, or
they line up in the receiver position. So to me,
they are kind of all the same. And you know,
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I think offensive line has has really been the undervalued position,
but it's also the hardest to us from the outside
to evaluate. I think that these, like I said, these
guys are coming off of their first contracts and that's
that's all they have. And the offensive line is clearly,
as you mentioned, the most valuable position because it's gonna
make the running backs look better, the quarterbacks are better,
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the wide receivers get better, they score the points, they
make the money. That's why I think more and more
you're seeing an investment in the left tackle, investment in
the right tackle, investment in guards because that's where the
money should be. Now, that money and that influence wouldn't
have changed anything with A. J. Green's injury. As AJ
Green now over thirty years old, having problems quite often
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when it comes to his ankle and his foot, what
do you take of these recurring injuries A J. Green?
I think receivers buy and lots. I mean, we've seen
some freaks of nature, like the Jerry rice Is of
the world, Kara Loans. You can talk about his personality,
but he he was able to answer answer the bell um.
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But they also have a short, you know, short shelf life.
And there what I'll say is the plays they make
we remember because they're wide open and their exceptional, and
we give them a lot of credit. But unless you
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go back and look tat and tape at every play,
you really don't know their influence on the game. Last
year we talked about Beckham and the Giant's offensive line
was the fall. But if Beckham was really that quick
and you have Balkley in the backfield, he should have
been able to get off the line and made you
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compensate in a way so that if he was that good,
you could overcome a bad line now is that Manning,
is that other things that going? I can't tell you.
That's beyond my level. But the reason you pay great
players is because they create a matchup problem which makes
everybody else compensate so that you have an extra man
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to help you in other areas. I never saw that
now that obviously, the place he made in front of
us were unbelievable. Okay, but how many other players did
he not get off the line? I don't raid that.
I mean, that's way beyond my You know, you'd have
to really be watching the game tape, but you would
expect that if you have Balkley and Beckham on the
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same thing, that should be able to comin. Evan Ingram
for that Maddie have that much speed, should be able
to compensate for a below average offensive line, at least theoretically.
I'm just I'm just saying that theoretically, So that makes
me believe that the people that were supposed to win
their matchups didn't win their matchups. A Marii Cooper perfect example.
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He looked like a very pedestrian wide receiver. For Oakland
comes to Dallas where they have a better offensive line,
where Ezekiel Elliott's the key and his you know, and
he sets the world on fire because he obviously capable
of winning one on one matchups. It wasn't capable of
winning one on two or one on versus one point
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one two. But obviously Ezekiel Elliott made him a much
much better player. Absolutely, Ezekiel Elliott and the offensive line
in Dallas mean a Mary Cooper much much more important,
much much better and certainly helped him in line for
a pay day. The Cowboys given my first round pick
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to go out and get Amari Cooper, and obviously it
worked out very very well for them because they need Yeah,
I mean, they came with this stone throw of going
very very far, and you know they they they look
they looked promising, and you know, Zach looked like a
different quarterback once he had a receiver he could throw too.
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But again, they couldn't win without receivers. Um and welcome
to the New York Giants this year right now, So
so you sore what Dallas tried to do with very
pedestrian receivers with a better offensive line. So I'll bet
for over for Daniel Jones. I think is looking pretty
solid right now. The a couple of things before we
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wrap up here. Lady on Bell has apologized to fantasy
football owners for last year's debacle. Said, Jeff me, this year,
I won't let you down. So I thought that was nice.
Are you listening. Uh? The dolphinsive fired their offensive life
that was great? Yeah, I never that's got to be
the ultimate man. He was fired before there was I
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think even a preseason formal practice. It was because we
were Giants offensive line coach too. Yeah, who had a
good reputation. There are good reputation. People were shocking Giants
let him go. So what do you think that's all about?
And they say, it's about performance of the offensive line
football based that's that's that's what they said. I mean,
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that is really a strange a first year coach, you know,
the first year coach, which is it's either a very
positive thing about a coach or a very negative thing
that you know. I think the time will determine either
Floris has a very strong idea of what he wants
and this wasn't it or her. You know, it's already
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a mutiny and he was the most mutinous. I have
to imagine that this offensive line is getting rocked, right,
on a daily brace basis. In practice, the Demis' line
was destroying it, right, But would you conclude that a
system problem more so than a talent problem. I can't.
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I don't know. Obviously the head coach believes it was
a system problem, not a talent problem. Obviously he believes
that the other guy that he had there, this guy's assistant,
was going to do a better job. Is that naivety?
I don't know. I mean, you know, with the Internet,
with the fact that all of these teams higher from
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the same um pool cool, yeah, lack of a better word,
higher from the same pool they scout extensively. Do you
really think anybody has a monopoly on something that could
be so radical so soon? I mean this this is
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not this guy's first rodeo. I mean, he's ran training
camps and in it advanced. I mean, this is not
like he was asked to do something that he's never
done before and it's just completely out of left field.
It had to be a personality conflict. I'm sure it
was one of these, like the offensive lines getting beaten.
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You know, he's screamed back, and you know they screamed,
and it was just you know, macho macho, you know,
man versus man. It's my way of the highway, and
this is my show and you're gone. Absolutely anything else
this week, doc No, just some predictions. So what do
you think the trade line line? Do you who do
you think happens? And then the Egges get somebody. I
think my prediction will be Robbie ray It good choice, Yes,
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why not Granky? I don't think he's available. I don't
think you know what, I don't you know what? He
let me rephrase that. I don't think he wants to
be a Yankee, and I don't think he fits with
the Yankees. You know. I think people make too much
of that because when he was in Kansas City, pitched
in Los Angeles, which is not exactly the smallest place
in the world. He's thirty some odd years old. Now
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he's not. He even the Dodgers is not the Yankees,
I understand. But he's in his thirties. Okay, It's not
like he melted under pressure when he pitched in the playoffs.
I mean I think that this Sometimes things take a
life of their own. And I believe Grinky also has
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the on his no trade cause list, And I don't
think It's like a bum Gardner thing where he's like,
all right, I'll I don't mind. I don't think he
really don't think he wants to go. Believe me, as
a Yankee fan, I'd rather than require Zach Grinkly. I
don't think they do. And I mean honestly, you know,
I think they were a ways and stuff like that.
And you know, I I think that I will say this,
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the Yankees need a number one, not a good number
two or potential good number two like I thought Passing
would be a decent number two or number three. The
Yankees needs somebody, you know, like Zach Ranky. You know,
I'd even list Granky ahead of Synagogue to be perfectly
out of Synagogue has again the upper right, but Zach
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Zach Rank is more guaranteed. He also fields the position.
He also goes deep into games. He never has a
bad year. I mean, I think that the Yankees could
sell it to him. I mean, but they have to
be you know, my I think Brian Cashing is one
of the best general managers in baseball. I really wish
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he was running my team. I also think he's very
concerned about making a bad trade, and sometimes you have
to make a I wouldn't say bad is probably not
the right word. You probably sometimes have to give up
more than you're getting in the long run to get
you across the finish. And he has not watched. He
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can't keep on putting Severino out there after Game one
and taking him out in the third inning. Obviously not
but Severino, who he just resigned long term. I mean,
that's the guy this year. I can't promise you that
he's not healthy. That's the guy he's gonna go with
the last two years. The last two years. You couldn't
last year or even when he was pitching well, and
couldn't wait to get him out of the game. They
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need guys grow up the Okay, they get better, yes,
but now he's gonna be on a pitch count. It
ain't happening this year. Okay, you know, honestly, go win
the World Series this year. That's what I say. You know,
if five years old is Louise every now? Okay, if
i'm hal steining Brenna, I called Brian into the office,
and Brian, you've done a great job getting us here.
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Go win the World Series this year. Worry about next year.
Next year. If anything in the World Series. It means
how he's gonna payoff. I mean, you have to cross
another luxury attacks go win the World Series this year.
If that was the case, they would have signed Dallas Kiko,
they would have signed Patrick Corbyn. It would have been
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But again, I think those guys are the same s
os that they have to be perfectly honest. I think
Corbin is a little better, I'll give you that. But
Dallas Kaiko, I think everybody thinks he was great with
He was a beta version of Jason Vaugus. I think
everyone thinks he's on the down side of his career.
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Maybe they're wrong, but I think that the overall prevalence
of people were his stats are pretty good, but we
think he's on the down side of his career. Houston,
Houston didn't think, you know, he was definitely the third
or fourth wheel for you the last year after Charlie Morton,
Garrett Cole Verlanda. He was the last wheel. He wasn't
like you know, so I think the stock was going down. Okay,
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they need the guy. I mean, I would tell him,
go win the World Series. Will worry about next year.
Next year we'll see if housetein Brenner and Brian Cashman,
go win. And if you if I told you, Greg Sussman,
you're the general manager, go win the World Series. Okay,
And I'll tell you. Here's what I'll tell you. I
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want you to bring in the one player that we
need without distracting, you know, detracting from our major league roster.
Because I want to win this year. Who do you
bring in. I don't care what you're giving up. I
don't care about the salary. I want to win this year.
It's no syndergard it is could be granky. I don't
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think there's I don't think it's an option. Right, So
then if it's Noah Syndergarde, then get me that guy
you said, don't give me anybody off the major league roster. Well,
if I'm the Mets, I hold into that, and you're
having a thing. If I'm the Mets, I'm not bringing
back three prospects unless those prospects are American. That that
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that that that genre, you know, that genre, I'm not
I'm not doing that unless they're that genre, especially to
the Yankees, especially because I think the Yankees, you know,
I think if you are the Yankees or the Twins, okay,
And if I'm in the Minnesota Twins, same exact conversation.
How many more years are they gonna lose the wild
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card game because they don't have a horse. It's funny.
Even when they had Santanna, they used to lose the
wild guy game. But that's a different story. He's always
had their number there. All right, that's gonna do it
for this edition. Oh, Jack Jacques here, all the fantasy
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