February 7, 2024 • 53 mins
Mike Hill and Eunice Elliott delve into Jay-Z's impactful Grammy speech, including Beyoncé never winning album of the year. The two also discuss Austin Rivers' comments on the potential pairing of Bronny and LeBron, as well as analyzing the different views on nepotism in black and white culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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no captainspect facts of kicks back.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's here fortune there fit.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That all right, it's tuned for another servant of the
done there been there podcast Mike Hill hanging out with
my girl Eunice Elliott.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
What's happening you?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, a whole lot of the same. What about you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh, same old, same old, Just waiting for Nor to
come by and pick me up in the arc.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
All this rain and we're getting out here in La.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I mean, I know they said it never rains in
southern California, but uh, that's a lie, A lie, woman,
it's real. I mean, are you staying safe? Are you
staying dry?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm staying safe and dry, I will say. In the
almost year that I've been out here, it has rained
so much. Everyone tells me, you know, this is normal,
but every three hundred years. So I got here just
in time.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That ain't good for a black woman's here, huh, like
the rain of humidity and all that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I mean this any woman's here, I suspect, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What moisture, It just depends on if you got somewhere
you're trying to be. My hair likes water, but not
in the context of I am presenting my hair to
be consumed. But like if I'm just walking outside in
the rain. I'm not someone that runs from the rain.
But if if I wanted my hair to be similar
to the way I started that day, then.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, but you got not your hairstyle anywhere. It's beautiful.
I love your hair. I always loved your hair.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So we always thought every week with the what have
you been? What have you done? Where have you been?
What have you done? What's going on with your week?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh? You know what, working, still doing more comedy, having
some great shows. You know, every week since I've been
out here, I wake up every other day with a
new idea of how to tackle it. I have a
new idea today. I'll keep you posting. I'll let you
know how it goes. But just just performing, you know,
trying to figure out the balance between I'm not a
social person at all, and I'm trying to find a
(01:52):
balance of hanging out a little more versus my actual
social battery capacity if that makes it, and you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know how important that it is out here man, the
power of networking, just being around people, meeting people. Some
people you necessarily don't want to be around, but at
the same time you have to be around in order
to fit in with some people.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What's that balance I always wanted.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Because I've been out here for a while ten years
now and being in entertainment from the last twenty nine years,
there's still a balance. And I tell people all the time,
it's like, yeah, I want a network, I want to
be around people, but if their energy is whack, I
don't give a damn what they can do for me.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't want to be around them.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, I'm trying to take the idea that it's not personal, right.
I think I've been living as a personal person, you know,
my whole life, and now I'm out here pursuing show
business and I'm needing to turn off my personal preferences
for the benefit of the business of it. Right, So
for me, there's a line. Right, I have my me time,
but I didn't move all the way out here just
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to have me time. So for me, I'm like, hey,
you moved out here to be around these people. You
got to leave the house and be around these people.
And also taking what I take at slights or no
bad energy and taking it personally just saying, Okay, that's
how they move in the world. But you know, does
it affect me personally, No, because that's not available. Could
they potentially help me business wise? Okay, cool, let's see
(03:09):
what happens.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's a great way of thinking too, because once I'm
trying to around certain these people. I mean, it's tough
because you go home and sometimes you'll see some of
the people that you admire, some of the people that
you respect from far and then you finally meet them
in person, and then they just don't have the right
type of energy for you whatever, and they could be
having a bad day. And what I've learned to do,
like you just mentioned, is to not take it too personally.
Maybe it was just they were having a bad day,
(03:31):
and not not let it affect me when it comes
to moving and you know, socializing with other people as well.
I've been doing the same thing, going out hitting these
open mics. You know, I think it's so important. I mean,
you're past the stage of open mics, of course, you're
a veteran these days. But I'm going into these places
where it's like five or six people and former comedians
(03:51):
and just doing my thing, and I'm enjoying that process.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So we'll see where it gets from.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Let me say this about open mics. I have not
had a chance to do a lot of them out here,
but mis aren't just for newer comedians. It's you know,
for at least my mindset of them. I open mics
are very valuable in working out material because even if
you've been doing it a long time, when people come
to see a show, they're not coming to see you
practice on them. And so you know, when you can
(04:16):
get those more intimate settings where you can kind of
work out some kinks or whatever, it's extremely valuable no
matter how long you've been doing comedy to have those spaces.
So then when people have paid these high ticket prices
and it got the two drink minimum, you're giving them
a real show. So I think open mics are valuable
regardless of where you are in your career. For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Absolutely. I mean you got to start somewhere.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Everybody and everybody entertainment business has had to start somewhere
until they reach that certain status. When you get to
a certain a list like a jay Z, Beyonce, Dave
Chappelle And.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Are they a list or are they like a plus lists?
Are they considered?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think they're in a list of they're on a
list of their own. People like that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, your girl Taylor's with all these people who are
just famous. And that's one of the things I always say.
People are like, oh my, you know baa. I'm like,
I am not famous. When people say that you're I'm familiar.
There's a difference between famous and familiar. Famous people you
know their name, you walk up on them, like JC Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Oh you do you want to be famous? Like this
is probably a personal question. Do you have desires to
be famous?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
No, I don't want to be famous. I want to
have access.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think famous one thing famous like you lose your life.
You can't do something talking and think about having a life.
You can't have a life when you're too famous, because
you can't go to the grocery store, you can't go
to the movies, you can't spend time with your family,
have dinner, so your life gets interrupted. But I would
like to have enough popularity of familiarity so that I
have access to the things that I want to get in.
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So I don't understand the line in the club. I
can stand the line. I don't have to stand in
line in the club. I want to be known by
famous people, if that makes sense, because people that know you,
famous people that know you, you get access, You get
the notariots for them, you get the respect that you
have and everybody else. I really couldn't care if you
know my name or not, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You, but yeah, I just want to I don't think
I desire to be famous. I do have a desire
to be respected, and I think I protect that at
all costs personally professionally. But you know what's interesting about
famous people or fame in general, and this will lead
us into the conversation where I have about jay Z
and Beyonce or any a listeners. It's sometimes, I'm not
going to say sometimes the majority of the time, is
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not the person that has the fame that's weird. It's
the people and how they move around this person. I
think the way I've been able to a lot of
people say that I have a lot of famous friends,
but I'm like, I just know people that do different
things right, and I interact with them the same way
I interact with anybody. I think when you see that
vibration of people. I've had grown man when I used
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to work with athletes, I've had growman step on me
and pushed me out the way to get next to
this grown man, you know. And so it becomes this
energy and vibration that everyone else has around the person
that they have deemed famous or that they have deemed
worthy of this tension. And I think, you know, I
talk about the Kardashians. Don't hate the player, I hate
the game. Everyone else keeps them famous and rich. They're
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just if a camera show up to my house and
literally watch me do nothing as season whatever they're on show,
I'm not gonna say no, no, guys, please, I really
have nothing going on today, right, And so a lot
of times people don't realize their culpability in the game
that they say they hate.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But go on, it is no, no, you're right, You're
absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's something about being especially athletes we used to call
them jock sniffers or entertainers. When you just want to
be around them, you kind of hanging on their nuts,
you know, That's what we do. Even if they ain't
got nuts, you don't want to hang on their nuts
and it's just sometimes it throws you off. Like you said,
it's very weird, and they'll move past you to get
to them, not knowing that they may need you more
so than they actually need them because they're not going
to do anything for you. Let me ask you this
(07:39):
quick question before we move on, because this kind of
leads into what I'm talking about. Somebody asked me the
other day is like, you know, do you know any
of these people?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do they know you?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think one of the biggest accolades I get, Like
I said, I want to be knowing my famous people,
and that's just not the brag. But when I was
working at ESPN, at Fox and have my own show
and doing all those type of things, when you I
know you've made it is when famous people know who
you are. And so I think that is something that
kind of like is the biggest, bigger compliment. It's one
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thing for somebody on the street, which I love, to
come up to me and say they enjoy what I'm doing.
But when you get a big A list celebrity who
comes up and they say they enjoy what you're doing,
that is the world because you're like, first of all,
you know me, and you like what I'm doing. I mean,
who is that? I know, you got Marlin and everything
like that. Have you since you've been out here or
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even before then, have you been in a situation where somebody,
a famous person that everyone knows, has come up to
you and given you the compliment of your dreams?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah? You know what? Yeah, Marlon Wayans is an obvious one.
But I will say since I've been out here, Marlin
has a lot of famous friends and they come to
his shows. And so when I get to open for him,
you know, I've had the opportunity to perform in front
of Robert Townsend Omar EPs is his best friend from
high school. If you on Crockett, and so when I
think one of the greatest compliments if young Crockett gave me,
(09:00):
he was like, yo, you dope with the pen meaning
I'm a good right. And so just by association of
someone and their friend group, they're now like, hey, okay,
I see why he was telling this girl to come
do this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So I would say most of my people so far
around here have been part of Marlin's web of you know,
really talented people that come out and support him at
his shows. People I've admired for a very long time.
But you know, when I was in Alabama as a
TV news anchor, you used to interview a lot of
these big comedians and then a lot of times they
would invite me to open for them. Some of them
invited me on the road with them. So those were
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always you know, pushes in the right direction of saying, hey,
we see you got something going on, let's go. So
I would probably say that I've been blessed to receive
very positive feedback, but you know, I haven't found the
person my fairy godmother, if you will wait, wait.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Wait, can I tell you something that that's so true
about being out here anywhere and entertainment business is not
necessarily how great you are, because I think it's all really,
you know, subjective to what you like and with the
fans like it's who the people would access, the people
would influence who they like that's going and not just
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the people that are eight listeners in front of the camera.
I'm talking about behind the scenes too, big time executive producers.
If they like themselves from Unite Elliott and they endorse
the units Elliott, watch how you skyrocket Man, That's just
I think that's in life as well. But one of
the things that like to lead into what we're talking about,
Like somebody asked me is like, have you ever met
jay Z? And I'm like, I've actually been around jay
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Z a couple of times. And the first time I
met him, I was working at Madison Square Garden. Obviously
he didn't know who I was. He walks onto the elevator.
This is before right after Heart, not life. This is
before he was as big as he is now, even
though he was big, And he walks in and I
remember talking to him and said, hey, I enjoy your work.
Big fan of your stuff, not just on records, but
what he's trying to do as far as moving. This
(10:52):
is when he was moving away from Dame Dash and
all that silly stuff that was going on there, but
moving in a different direction and trying to, you know,
evolve as a person.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And he appreciated that.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And the next time I saw him, I saw him
in a bowl now and he and Beyonce and I'm
right there in this section, and when this guy knows
who you are, like, I'm like, it tripped me up
because I was at ESPN at the time. Same thing
with Magic, same thing with the who else Michael Jordan
walks up on all those type of people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So that's kind of like that stamp that you really
need as a person that's in this business. If you
can get other people to answer your question about being
famous or whatever. When you get famous people that like
what you do and know who you are, that's the
world speaking to jay Z.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Let me add one more thing. I really don't be
caring about famous people knowing me. I be wanting famous
people to want to work with me. And so for me,
especially as a comedian, sometimes other comedians are like, oh,
Carol Hart's coming through, and I'm like, and then what happens?
They're like, no, he couldn't come by, And I'm like,
and then what happens? You know, So I'm somebody who
I'm excited when someone I admire is in the space,
but I'm more excited they're like, Yo, what you're doing tomorrow?
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Let's write Yeah. So I tend to be a little
underwhelmed with the interactions when they don't invite me over
to their palatial estate write me a check.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, that hasn't happened to me yet. I mean I
haven't gone onto the States, and that it's going being known. Yeah,
like you said, it's just it's nice as it helps.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Out with the ego.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But no matter how big you get, sometimes no matter
what type of accolades, accolades you can have, you could
be the biggest star on the face of the earth.
And I believe Beyonce. Forget Taylor Swift, I think Beyonce
is the biggest star on the face of the earth.
That's just my personal opinion. No matter how many Grammy
she's won, it's still not enough in some people. Now,
Beyonce didn't say anything, but I wonder. I know you've
heard with jay Z, who was receiving an Icon Award
(12:35):
at the Grammys, what he said in his speech about
Beyonce not receiving Record of the Year, And here's what
he said.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
We want you to get it right, at least get
it close to right. I don't want to embarrass this
young lady, but she has more Grammys than everyone and
never one album in a year, So even by your
own metrics, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean, yeah, jay Z was throwing a little shade.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Some people don't belong in the category, but yeah, I mean,
you think that Beyonce, who's had thirty two Grammys most
of all time, and she's never one Record of the Year.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Ironically, Album of the Year, Album.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of the Year. Let me get that right.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They've made a joke about that during the Grammys Album
of the Year, that she's never gotten it, and ironically
on the same night that Taylor's who have broken a
record for winning her fourth Grammy for Album of the Year.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What did you think of that whole assessment?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know what I think is unfortunate and I think
we see him primarily in spaces of women. Is this comparison?
Is tit for Tad? Now, I will say, if Beyonce
is the most Grammy award winning artists of all time,
the Grammys the Album of the Year is the big
one because all the other awards and that you are
nominated for are more than likely works from that album.
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So if she's been awarded, and that's what jay Z's
point was, by your own metrics, if you've given her
the most Grammys for projects on her albums, but you've
never given her Album of the Year. These are parts
of the album, and she's won all these Grammys for
the parts of the album. But that Album of the Year,
that's kind of weird. You know, most artists will say,
I don't do it for the awards. I don't do
it for the accolades. Of course that's probably true, but
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you do want to be honored and respected by your
peers and in your industry. I think jay Z sometimes,
I feel sometimes jay Z plays both sides right, Because
jay Z is one of the wealthiest people. He does
have power and influence, And sometimes when you see someone
stand on the stage when they are accepting an award
from the body that they are criticizing, it's like there
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probably could have been some things discussed or handled outside.
I also feel like he kind of has the same
situation with the NFL, his association with the NFL when
he came on board after the whole taking a knee
of fiasca with Colin Kaepernick. So what I'm saying is,
sometimes you can use your platform to bring attention to something,
but then also what are you doing outside of that
moment when you are also accepting an award from who
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you're chastising and criticizing.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, I mean, and the Icon Award is over there.
He deserves that, obviously. I always look at the Grammy's
I look at the Oscar. We were always going to
find something wrong sometimes. But you know what, why does
that award mean so much? And I know why it
means so much, because you can say you're a Grammy winner,
you can say you're an Academy Award winner, you can
say you're a Tony winner, and whatnot. Sometimes I think
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it's black people though. I think we put so much
emphasis on those awards, but the people that help get
you there. And I'm not talking about jay Z or
just Beyonce anybody else. I'm talking about as a whole.
We put so much emphasis on those awards, even as fans,
even as viewers or whatever, but we don't support the
awards shows that actually help those people grow into that
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crossover mainstream. Like BT Awards used to be huge. Nobody
knows who is going to win the BT Award this year, nobody.
Can you tell me who won the ALM of the Year,
the BAT Awards probably not. Can you tell me who
won the for the NAACP, the Image Award, probably not.
You can't do those types of things because they're not
as important now. I could say the same thing about
the MTV Awards, which used to be so huge with whatever,
nobody really cares about those anymore. It's about the Grammys
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and about the Academy Awards. Now, what I will say
is that jay Z, I believe you know. And I'm
not privy to this, so I'm not trying to I'm
just just my opinion. Maybe there was an internal discussion
that was happening inside the house. And sometimes when your
wife who has this great image, and she's not gonna
come out and say this publicly because she's too classy,
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but I think maybe she feels a little slighted too.
I mean, I think there is a part of her
who puts in all this work as Beyonce and Sasha Fears,
who has these dynamic concerts, who is just well loved
and renowned across the world's great output out great albums.
I think it's a shame that she's never one Album
of the Year. Now it could have been because that
particular year she had a great album, but somebody was
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just better, just like we've seen. It took so long.
You can look at Denzel's cred. Maybe he should have
more Academy Awards. He should have won for a Hurricane,
He should have won for Malcolm X. Maybe that year
that the Academy just said, hey, somebody was better this year,
even though you had You've had an outstanding career. So
it's interesting that you can win that many Grammys and
never win Album of the Year, like you said, because
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the compilation you entire work. But at the same time,
I think it's also a shame that she hasn't. And
I don't know how we go about fixing it or well,
I think the.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Way we go about fixing it is again most of
our conversations. And I don't know if it's because we
are black people in America, but you know, there's still
this thing that you don't want to be seeking validation
from others, right, and so the awards that were not
created for is the awards that we used to could
not be nominated for, the awards that we were never
invited to. You know, once that started happening, where people, oh,
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the first blackft, the first rap album, this, it's like, oh,
they're acknowledging us, they're validating us. I think it's unfortunate
that there is so much division, and people always say,
people bring race into it. We were born into the
construct of race and the division of race, and so
in every facet of life. We still have so many
black firsts, but then when we have the black first,
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you have to say, but why did I need that
validation from them? That's great that I broke down that class,
that's great that I'm pioneering, but also why do I
need them to clap for me?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mean, well, I think because that's the I think
that's the biggest and I understand exactly and I feel
the same way. Grammy's obviously the biggest award that you
can win in music. That is recognized as the biggest
award that you can win in music, like one day,
hopefully you receive a Mark Twain Award for your comedy
or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
If you know, you continue that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's the biggest award everybody wants to win that accoladeing
Album of the Year is one of those things right now.
But once again, it's like the recognition we know who
Beyonce is, we know how great she is, whatever, it
shouldn't be as important. But once again, I think that
was internal conversations between her Yonce other people. Kanye did
the same thing ironically to Taylor Swift and made Taylor
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Swift famous in a sense to us because I had
never heard of Taylor Swift before that Kanye moment and whatnot.
That was so long ago. I can't believe him saying that,
but that's exactly what happened. So he didn't say anything
that Kanye hadn't been saying for years or whatever. He
just said it publicly on the award stage of the
same awards that he awards showed that he was getting
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an award for.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And I think it right.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think it's obviously a conversation that we can all
have at nauseum. But at the end of the day,
you know, Beyonce is gonna be Beyonce. She works harder
than everybody else. She puts the time in. You know,
that's the one thing I will say about Beyonce for
I think it's unfortunate when Beyonce comes up the inverse
or what people think is the opposite of it, Beyonce
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is Taylor Swift because we always kind of pit women
against each other. If it's Niggi Minajen makes it, you know,
it's like it's never just let a woman be great
and we don't have to compare it to another woman
and judge her greatness. But it's one of those things
where I'm sure they've had conversations about it, but again
by their own metrics. Okay, if this is how this
award system works, this doesn't make sense that she hasn't
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won this award. I'm not saying they're like, oh like me,
you like me. It's just like, hey, the math and
math and on this. I also think it's interesting. And
when you do talk about Taylor Swift, and I already
know that my producer's gonna make this the clip of
the days. Don't have to make sure I say it right,
but it's one of those things where you can't name
(20:10):
a Taylor Swift song. And we think back to when
we were growing up and we didn't have our own
music channels, our own music resources. We knew everyone's music.
We knew Duran Duran, we knew Wham, we knew Rick Springfield,
we knew Bruce Springs. You know, we had a more
I think in our generation, a more inclusive music experience.
Michael Jackson, Prince Madonna, we knew all the songs. And
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then even if you think back like we knew Pink songs,
we knew Alvril Lavigne songs, we knew Fergie, you know,
and so for whatever reason, however, she's become the most
popular and most billionaires type woman on the planet. With
Taylor Swift, she does not have the crossover appeal that
Beyonce does have. And so that's what's interesting is if
you just look at business, Taylor Swift doesn't have that
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crossover that we've seen white women have in our communities Madonna.
You know how many Madonna songs, you know? And so
it's that thing of like, for whatever reason, we're not,
don't we're not, we don't know what the hype is
for her, but she's the most pipe of woman on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I think, I think, I think you twofold. I think
that she does have a huge following from some Black
people out there, maybe not us, maybe not the type
of music we listen to. And I agree, Beyonce has
been able to cross over and it's beloved and loved
more so by white by white women than Taylors with
this beloved by black women. But you can say the
same thing like Britney Spears, Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I was surprised how.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Many Britney Spears music.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Britney Spears.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I've seen more black people come out and defend Britney Spears.
And I've seen white people come out and find Britney
Spears when it came to the whole justin Timberlake situation
on when she was going through her situation.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
With her dad. So that that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I think that's interesting though, right because we can
we know it's not to me, it's not a race thing.
It's a music thing. Right. We like good music and
whatever touches you think our communities, We've never discriminated against
people who put out good music, whether it was eminem
you know what I'm saying. Like as far as crossover,
we invite people to the cookout, We're like, oh, this
is a bop. You know Gwen Stefani, you know all
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the white women that I know, I know there are
songs that I can jam to. My nieces are swifties.
And I guess maybe my sister who takes them to
the concert, she's probably a swifty too.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So I'm not saying she doesn't have black fans. I'm
saying the actual crossover appeal of everyone knows these artists songs.
Everybody knew Michael Jackson, everybody knew Prince, everybody knew Madonna.
Everybody knew, and music is different. In how we consume
music is different. It's very segmented now. But I just
think it's interesting. How you know, if I had to,
I might be able to name. I probably can say
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shake it Off. That would be the one tailor show song.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I could say, uh yeah, I have no idea what
you're talking about. When it comes down, I think if you,
if you hummed the song, maybe I know it seriously.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I just I'm just I don't know it if.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You hum it, but I know there's something huge.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But but for me, I'm not even really a huge
music fan period. If I like music, I hear it,
I hear but I'm not going deep and saying I know,
oh this is number four her album, her third album
that came out.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I can't do it for anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm not that, but some people can't. The one thing
that really stood out to me during Jay Z's speech
wasn't what people were talking about, and I think his
message at the end, this is where we're talking about
done there have been that. Where it resonated with me
was when he said you got to keep showing up,
So no matter what, you got to keep showing up
until they give you the accolades, until they give you
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what he said, the accolades that you deserve, until they
call you chairman, until they call you a genius, until
they call you the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So you just got to continue to show up no
matter what, keep on putting in that work.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think that message got lost because of everything else
he said, you know, calling out the Grammy's basically even
saying something about boycott and when he was up for
you know, some certain Grammys or whatever, and even throwing
shade at other artists who shouldn't be in certain categories.
The last part of what he said to me resonated,
and what's the most important message that no matter what
people have done to you or not give you that
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you feel like you deserve, every single day, you keep
showing up because, like you mentioned, I don't know if
you're an artist. If you're in it just to receive
awards or recognition from people that don't necessarily want to
give it to you, you're gonna have a long career
that is going to be so super frustrating. I mean
I've been up for Emmys and all that type of
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stuff Like that lost way more Emmies, and I want
to want to, but I've lost way more Emmies than
I've ever won. But I'm not in it just for that.
I'm in it for the satisfaction of my art, of
me going and doing something I enjoy doing, of me
looking at myself in the mirror and knowing that I
gave myself and gave the people that are listening or
watching me everything that I had on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
That is what I do it for.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So if I can get up and I have that
type of mindset where I can look myself in the
mirror and know that, hey, you up, I'm gonna show
up no matter what you give me. And eventually, because
you're giving me fuel because you didn't give me what
I thought I deserved or want it, I should say,
then I'm gonna work even hard until all those things
come my way. And if they never come, that's fine,
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but at least I'm giving a thousand percent of everything
I do.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
All right. I think the healthiest way to pursue your dreams,
pursue your art, pursue your craft is for your passion
for it. I think anytime you're doing something for someone
else to acknowledge it or support it or congratulate or awarded.
You're gonna always be coming up short, especially in show business.
Right you might not get invited, or you get invited,
you're not invited to the Earthro party, you're nominated, you
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don't win, you don't get nominated. It's picked up, it
doesn't you know, it's always another benchmark where you might
feel like if you're chasing that, you might feel like
the finish line keeps being moved versus, Hey, I'm proud
and excited of this thing I've worked on. I sleep
good at night, and who is for it'll reach And
that's how I pursue comedy, That's how I pursue just
being a human. It ain't for everybody. I know, I'm
not for everybody, but for the people I am for,
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I know that you know I'll keep going for them.
And then if someone else acknowledges it or is surprised
or supports it, it's like, hey, welcome to the party.
But you know it's gonna be the same. It's gonna
be the same show whether you watch it or not.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Absolutely, And like I said, I'm getting in the stand
up not for the applause. As a matter of fact,
one of the best pieces of advices I got was
from a comedian that said, hey, don't listen for the applause,
don't listen for the laughter or whatnot, because all your
jokes are going to hit. And if you listen for
the laughter and you don't get that laughter, it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Throw you off.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That advice is coming handy a lot so far.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Let me put the second part of the advice. Maybe
you didn't hear the second part, but you are up
there to make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm up there to make them laugh.
You know. You know a lot of my jokes here
or whatnot. Don't get me wrong, I know what I'm
up there for.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But at the same time, right now, my comedy is
therapy because I'm not talking about things that are exaggerated.
I'm talking about little exaggeration, but I'm talking about, you know,
things that are actually happening to me in my life.
And so, like I said, it's very therapeutic for me
and I'm enjoying that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I also want to point out something that with jay Z,
he had his beautiful daughter Blue Ivy on stage and
let me say, let me say that, and we probably
don't have enough hours in the day to talk about this,
But going back a few episodes when I may have
offered my opinion on Taylor Swift's persona and media personification
of her, I find it odd that Blue Ivy, an
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actual child who we have very rarely ever seen without
being in the company of one or both of her
actual parents, as an eleven year old child and even younger,
I have seen more adults defend Taylor Swift online than
ever defended Blue Ivy a child when she was attacked,
and I would like to say that it has a
lot to do with Black women. I've never seen as innocent,
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were fast little girls. We're sexualized when a minute we're born,
and white women tend to enjoy a certain fragility that
black women are never offered. We'll leave that for another day.
That's called the patriarchy. That's called racism, that's called misogyny.
Let's just move on.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, no, no, you're absolutely I want to add to
that because I think that's important and I'm not afraid
to say it now so I'll get pushed back for this,
and this might be the clip that comes out and
then all these women are gonna come from me, especially
black women. I'm just here because because here's the thing,
I do believe that they're What you said is absolutely
true about Taylor Swifts getting this past. She's thirty four
(28:20):
years old. She's not fourteen years old anymore. She gets
defended way more than Blue Ivy. But when I see
Blue Ivy back in the day, I remember this is
the one criticism of her being on stage and all
that type of stuff like that. People came to arrescue
and say, but they also look at it as what
is it when when your parents give you something, what's
it called nepotism? Nepotism? Yeah, see, that's why you're you're
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an Alabama student. Nepotism. They thought it was nepotism getting
an opportunity. She went up there, and she worked hard.
And that's why I'm happy that in that movie that
just came out, they talked about how they said no
at first because of those same concerns whatnot. But Blue
worked hard to get to where she is right now.
She even has a Grammy right now. But I will
say that some of the early criticism a Blue Ivy
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came from us in that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Piss came from all of it came from us, came
from us. That's what I'm saying. I'm seen more black
people defending adult Taylor Swift than I ever saw defending
Blue Ivy. That's my point is I see white people saying,
you're jealous, just let that woman live, and they come.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
To this, this woman's are coming to you, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
That never defended this actual child. That is this actual child.
So whether her hair, her dancing ability or whatever. Guess what.
Nepotism is only used as a bad word when it's
black folks benefiting. When white people have nepotism, it's called legacy,
it's called generational absolute. But when black people put their
kids their family, I've seen people dog at Marlon Williams
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for talking about creating his own lane and they're like, oh,
Keenan gave it to you. Okay, it's a lot of wings,
y'all ain never heard of because you still had to
show up and do the work and write and produce.
And Keenan said, hey, I've made a path, but you
got to write your own projects, right. And so a
lot of times, when black people are related to someone,
or if a black person gets an opportunity because they
have access to someone all of a sudden, your talent,
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your work doesn't count. But when white people do it,
it's generational wealth, it's legacy, it's oh, this is Steve
McQueen's grandson.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So what I'm saying is there's a deeper conversation to
even have. And I want to even talk about the
Lebron and BROWNI situation was exactly point just the other day.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So like, you're absolutely right, but we have to a
lot of it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
We expect the noise to come from a certain community,
right because they can look at you. You could be
coming from the dirt to destiny, you know, and they're
still going to find something to criticize you about, saying, well,
the only reason you got this because government gave you
this and all that stuff and firmative action and all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So we expect that I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
About this is my challenge to us, to our community
to stop doing that when it comes to somebody getting on,
when somebody has an opportunity, no matter who gives them
that opportunity to get on, I personally went through it.
So once we talk about done, there have been that
and not just making it about me, but this is
what the podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
All those years, even when.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I was with you, Cynthia or whatever, people used to
tell me when I got a show on Netflix, when
I got my show at BNC or whatever, all the
wrong reason you're getting that is.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Because of your wife.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like, come on, man, don't discount what I've done in
my life or what I've been just because I'm associated
with somebody. Now, if it benefits me to be associated
with somebody and I get an opportunity or cracking the door,
it is my job to push that door open, to
punch that door open, or to kick that door open,
and to stay in that room, because believe me, if
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I'm not good enough, You're not gonna stay in the room. So, yes,
sometimes you can get exposure through somebody else that you know,
or somebody that you're related to or whatever. But when
you get that exposure, that damn light is still hot
and you still gotta perform. So when it comes to
Blue Ivy putting on or whatever whatnot, Yes, we know
who Blue Ivy is from birth because she has two
of the most famous people as parents, Jay Z and Beyonce, Right,
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But her skill set and what she's been able to
do the work she puts in her personality. You see
her checking her even parents like y'all ain't got a
clap of that about everything. And jay Z used that
as part of her his speech. That shows you her influence,
what they mean to her, even the same thing. Like
Austin Rivers. I don't know if you saw this the
other night. He was on ESPN, and everybody wants Ronnie
who's at USC, to play with Lebron James, now who's
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in the NBA. Lebron James in his twentieth season, has
always said he wants to play with his son, which
is outstanding. Austin Rivers comes out, and this is where
the line is. Austin Rivers comes out and said he
doesn't want to see it only because he knows the
scrutiny that Bronnie will go through having to play with
his dad, because he actually played for his dad. Now
it might not be the same situation exactly, but I
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get his point because we want to see these kids
in a degree be able to move and be able
to be successful without the energy that they get from
some people. Because now you even look at Bronnie at USC,
people say, well, the only reason he's getting this because
Lebron's son and all that type stuff. Yeah, sure he
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might get a look.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But let's say that's true. So and then what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know what, he still got He has to perform.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So at the opposite side of that, when it came
to Austin, I understand what he's saying. I also believe that. Look,
I want Bronnie to succeed his daddy successful. I want
him to be able to play with this da Who
wouldn't want to see that King Griffith Jr. King Griffith Junr.
Senior had hit the back to back home runs one
time playing as teammates.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We love to see that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Who would want to see that generational pass down, that
baton passed down and whatnot. But at the same time,
as everything I just said about all the other kids
with Blue Ivy and whatnot, sometimes you do want to
be able to see them do the things that they
want to. What we know about Blue Ivy is that
she wanted this, she wanted to go into She put
herself in that position. This is what she wants and
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we love that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know Ronni and Lebron, but you hear everybody
talking about Lebron saying he wants Brinnie to play with him,
which is great and I want to see it happen,
if it happens, But at the same time, I don't
want people saying, hey, BRINNI needs to come out of
school because Lebron's about to retire. No, let Bronni have
the career that he wants to have. If he wants
to make the decision to come out after one season
at USC and he's not drafted, that's on him. If
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he makes it and he is drafted, that is on him.
He still has to perform whatnot. Now do I personally
believe he's ready to come into the NBA From talking
to scouts that know the NBA and know about you
know what it takes to be in the NBA. They
don't see it yet. They don't see it right now.
But that doesn't mean that if he stays in school
for another two or three years or whatever and finishes
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that he can't develop into the player that everybody would
like him to be. And then if Lebron is still around,
let that happen. But let's not put pressure for this.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
But let me offer this, even whether it's the scout
or his talent or his ability. In other communities, when
a parent says out, I want my kid to work
with me. I built this so we can have you know,
Johnson and sons, and my kid is gonna take over
a lot of times the kids don't take over because
they do have other interests, or sometimes they do, you know,
take in the family business. I just feel like we
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put our community in such an area of scrutiny, whether
the person wants to pursue the family business or not,
whether they're going to be successful or not. You know,
sometimes you do what you've been exposed to. If you've
grown up around basketball or football or music, more than
likely you might have a talent or ability or you've
been nurtured in that way. And ultimately what you're going
to be is going to be a standalone process, just
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like all of us are. If our parents who are
a doctor, we might become a doctor, we might become
a musician, we might come a crackhead, you know. And
so I just feel like, especially our community, and I
don't want this message to be lost because if there's
anything I want to say is if you defend as
a black person, and I might even say black woman.
If you are a black woman that uses the Internet
and you have taken the time to defend Taylor Swift,
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but you have never taken a time to defend Blue Ivy.
If you are a black person who has chastised the
idea of Brinnie and Lebron playing together, go back and
make sure you can show me the screenshot of you
chastising some of these other nepotism situations that are not
in our community. That's all I'm saying, And I'm not
saying just because somebody's black, don't mean it shouldn't be
up for scrutiny or opinion. That's fine, but let's let's
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just share opinions on everything. And you may not even
have knowledge of other communities because you only know about
the community you know about. But that's my point is
we vilify and tear down our own much quicker than
anybody else could. Guess what, anybody else, even checking for us,
don't even know we've been born yet, all right, they
don't know us until we do become a superlative and
then it must have been affirmative action. But while we're
on the grind, we having to fight off the negativity
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of our own before we even get to see what
we mature into. That's the unfortunate part, because sometimes you
give me that one comment, that one statement, that one
thing that, like you said, jac said, keep going, keep
showing up. You don't know what that one thing is
that to make a person go within. It might be
that one person that says you're not funny that keeps
you off stage for the next fifteen years. I hate
to bring Marlin up again, but he talks about in
his special that Chris Rock said he wasn't and he
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didn't do comedy for another nineteen years because someone he
respected said he wasn't funny, you know. And so I
just say we need to check ourselves that if you're
trying to do anything, you ain't got nothing to do
to tear anybody else down, Like do you have constructive feedback? Hey,
I see what you're doing, and if you try this,
that might get you to where you're going. But just
just to tear people down just because you don't like
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the way it feels or because of projection. And I'm
just about you. I'm saying people our community, that's the
most unfortunate thing. Yourself. This week, just this week challenge yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And I love that because I think there is that line.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
There is a like, as a sportscast, somebody who's asked
about opinions, I'll say the same thing about an Isaiah Collyer,
who's your teammate right now? With now, I'm like, Okay,
well he's good. Know it's a five star athlete. Will
he go to the pro? Yeah, he'd be able to develop.
Does he need to work on his turnovers because I
think at one time he's leading the nation turnovers. Whatever,
he doesn't look like he's ready right now. Maybe one
more year would be helpful to him. But if he
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wants to go, if he wants to go, all I've
ever said, even when it came to LeVar Ball and
the Ball brothers, when you had those three sons and
he was talking about this is what I'm gonna do,
these are my sons whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So I love that. Brother. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You're proud of your sons, and you raise your sons
to be good basketball players, and it seems to be
good citizens, you know what I mean at.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
The end of the day.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But at the end of the day, I just wanted
to be the kids decisions sometimes, you know, and I'm
not saying, oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Great, but that's still a projection of how you feel
about somebody else's kids. And you see if someone's projection
of how they feel about your kids. I think any
parent want the best for their kids, right whatever anybody
else on the outside can consume. If someone challenges you
on you having your kids' best interest at heart, you're
gonna be ready to fight. So I'm saying we need
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to look at ourselves sometimes when we're speaking on other
people's children, that we have to know their parents have
their best interests in heart so much more so than
we have, so much more than you know, like, that's
their kid, and so whatever conversations they've had, whatever plans
they have, you know, kind of going back to a
previous episode of talking about Diana and his kids buying,
imagine you don't know what storyline that follows for them,
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and so we can share our opinions. That's great that
we're on a podcast, that's what we're here to do.
But I just think we need to kind of take
pause when we speak on other people's children and what
we hope for other people's children and what we want
to see for other people's children. Like their parents don't
want that first and foremost and more so than.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Anybody else, and outside of everything, And one of the
things I always give respect to Lebron James's well, not
what he does on the basketball court. He's phenomenal there,
I think I think he's a much better person off
the court, of course, and what he's been able to
do with the school or whatever. How he loves his family,
how he loves his kids. He'll defend his kids no
matter what. He's a phenomenal father.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Saying that he's the one that's putting pressure on Brannie
or whatnot. I think society becomes that because we want
to see a storyline instead of this man having an
outstanding future and a great story more times, because I know,
in this profession, in this world, we just talked about
it on social media, as many people that want to
see you succeed, people who want to see you fail
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to because they're miserable. Well, and I just want this kid,
just like Lebron does. I want to see him live
his best life, no matter what he's doing. If he
wants to be a janitor and just make money, his
dad sent him money every now and then that's fine,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But I said, we just sit back and let the
story right itself. I don't think the feverish nature of
people's opinions should really, you know, because these are kids
we're talking about, and these are other people's kids we're
talking about, and I think, you know, you know, we
can root on, we can have our own opinions, we
can have our own preferences. But I think the veracity
that people feel with sharing their opinions online also in
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a negative way, in a derogatory way. It's quite offensive
because I think anyone who has a kid that let's
say Madonna brings her kids on stage for her tour,
you know, it's like, these are my kids, I am
on tour. If my kid wants to say, hey, mom,
can I sing a song? Mariah Carey's kids, J Loo's kids,
you know, that's what the kid knows. They're going to
work with their parents. And then for people who might
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not even have parents or otherwise to sit back and
then go on to the internet and dog, got a kid,
got a kid parents, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, all of them. I think this is what we're
saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
All I'm saying is the backside of that is like
I get concerned sometimes for certain kids because they are
kids and they got to grow up and become adults.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Like you said, but you are concerned, but at the.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Same time, so we also know, just like you mentioned,
there could be something that could be said by a
certain person that can have an effect on them for
the next ten fifteen years, just like you said Chris
Rock had when it came to Marl and whatnot. So
I am happy that Bronnie seems like he's been sheltered.
He seems like he's been able to handle the outside
press or the pressure or the people of whatever, people
saying good or bad about him. He's been even killed
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just like his dad, so you can tell he's been
raised by his.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Dad or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I just want, I just want what's best, and I
just like lebron does and Savannah does what's best for Bronnie.
We want to hear from Bronnie sometimes, do you want
to put that?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yea, But guess what, he as a kid. Why do
we have to hear from the kid. The kid's doing
what he's doing, he's in college, he's playing a ball.
Why does he have to talk about what his dad
is his dad is the professional. Bronnie's an amateur collegiate athlete,
and why wouldn't we say I appreciate that they don't
put Bronnie in the spotlight to talk about this, and
they just let him be a kid playing college ball,
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Like why couldn't that be celebrated versus we want to
hear from the kid. That's all I'm asking a college
why do we need to hear from him?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I get we want to, we want to say that,
but once again, he's a kid. He's nineteen years old.
It's still making adult decisions about his life. That's going
to affect him for the.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Rest of it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
So I'm sure he'll share it, right, you just think
he he'll share what he's gonna do when he decides
what he's gonna do or what he wants to do. No,
I'm asking, do you think Bronnie will share when he
has an idea or he ready to communicate to us.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I just hope. I just hope. And this is for
any kid that's out there. This will be for my kids.
One of the reasons, like my daughter's second daughter's name
was supposed to be Kayla, Mikayla and I was like, not,
I want her to have her own identity.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I don't even want her to have my name.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I don't want to have to have anything to do
with me because of who I am or whatever. And
I'm not saying I'm even I'm definitely not on Lebron
level or anybody else's level like that. So all I'm
saying is I like kids to have their own identity.
I want them to be based on their Mayora's not.
Once again, if a door is open because you are
my kid, I've opened doors to my kids. I will
say that that is to me, It's not nepotism. That's
just what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to make
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sure that your kids have the best life possible for them.
All I'm saying is we live in a society right
now units where your every move is going to be scrutinized.
And I understand that you got to have thick skin,
right so when he gets there, and if he doesn't
make it, if he doesn't make it, then all of
a sudden, it's like you get they build you up
to tear you down, and that's that's my only concern.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
And once again, but if he can do whatever the hell.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
He can do whatever the hell he wants to.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
At the end of the day, he and Lebron and
all of them, they may he could have come out
and as junior year said, I don't want to go
to high school. That's on him. That's fine. If he
doesn't want to do that, I have no problem with that.
I am not talking about Bronnie and talking to him.
I'm talking to the people out there that want to
see this happen and not necessarily look out for the
best interest of the kids. So maybe sometimes you hear
(44:18):
outside noise and screwtiney and say, oh you're ready and
doing all that type of stuff, and they want to
see him in the NBA. Yeah, I want to see him.
I want to see him in the NBA, and I
want to see him stay in the NBA if that's
what he wants to long after Lebron is retired. That
is my hope for this kid. That is my hope
for that kid is about to become an adult, That's
all I'm saying. So at the end of the day,
once again, do whatever the hell you want to do,
But I want to make sure that it's what he
(44:40):
wants to do.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
And I'm not saying and.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I'm just that you and everybody else who has a
hope for this kid has to know that his parents
have even bigger and better hopes based on that being
their kids. Know what I'm saying outside noise about other
people's kids is weird. Yeah, we want everybody to succeed
and win in theory, but I'm saying, because he is
a public kid, he's a famous kid, he already has
(45:03):
a name as a kid. Why not let that kid
be a kid? Why do we need you said you
wanted to hear from him. Why do we need to
hear from him? He's the kid like he's gonna do
what he's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I want him to, I want him and I wish,
and be honest with you, I wish Lebron would have
never said that.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I know what he meant by, but I wish Lebron
would have.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Never said that, because now all we've been doing ever
since Bronnie's sophomore years like, oh, Broni's gonna play with Lebron,
and Lebron's.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Right, but doing that, But we no, No.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
We're well people.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
This is people are paid for their opinion and especially
in the sports media. Now Lebron who declined this option
for next year, he said he's not gonna make it
a year. For now we're saying, okay, well, is he
gonna go to the Knicks and that's gonna be the
team wherever Lebron Bronni gets drafted, this is where he's
gonna So everybody speculating and putting all that stuff out
there right now, I want Ronni to continue to develop
as Bronni once again. Lebron obviously the name. All that stuff,
(45:57):
the skills set, the DNA helped him get to you
as see, become the player that he is.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I just want kids at a certain age or whatever,
a certain time, man, and just to be able to
like for us, from Brawn, from anybody else, man.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Hate. It is your life.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's what you're supposed to do at the end of
the day. My daughter's same thing. This is your life.
Whatever you want to do, as long as you've productive
members of society, I could care less. I couldn't care
less about what you decide to do. Maybe a stripper,
but if you're a stripper and you're doing it well
or whatever, and you're a classy stripper, that's fine, But you.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Also wouldn't want everybody on the internet talking about what
your daughter should do and how they have their so
what they look for your daughters more so than what
you know about your daughters or how you converse and
support your daughters. If you had to consume all day,
every day what you're a kid should be doing, you
would feel like that was a little weird. Like, yeah,
I'm a public person. People know my kids by association
(46:52):
with me. But I got this. We got this. We
are a family, We talk, we support. You can't possibly
think you can log onto the internet and have a
valid opinion about what my kid is doing, or how
I interact or engaged with my kid, or how I
share about my kids. You know what I'm saying, That's
all I'm saying is when we come to talking about kids,
famous people kids on the internet in our community, we
(47:12):
tend to vilify kids in a way that we don't
vilify legaco.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Are you saying I'm vilifying kids. You're not saying I'm
vilifying here.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I'm saying you're having an expectation of wanting something from
somebody's kid that I don't think. We're old. You're saying
you want to hear from Bunnie. You're saying you want
the best. Who doesn't want the breast from Bronnie. But
you have to assume that his dad is in the
line before everyone else who wants the best for Bronnie,
that Lebron and Savannah are first in line, right, and
(47:38):
so whatever they're doing it, however they're handling it. I
think it's odd to then comment something that's different than
what they're doing because you want the best for them,
right Well, first, I just feel like we sit back
and watching me support it from you, pray and keep
it moving.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
First of all, let me clarify I'm not speaking for
Bronnie is somebody who has kids, two kids, whatever, I want,
what was best for my kids. I talk to my
kids every day and hopefully that influences their decisions on
what they want to do. I understand Bronnie talks to
Lebron every day in Savannah and the rest of the family,
anybody else whatnot. I'm not talking to them. I'm talking
about the people who are out here criticizing these kids
(48:14):
for doing what they enjoy.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Love you want.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
If he could have he could have skipped college, and
if you wanted to go play in the G League,
that's fine, or the Night League. He could have done that.
It's altogether. All I'm saying is, at the end of
the day, I hope. And I'm not saying it's not this.
This is for anybody, just this. We're just focusing on this.
I'm talking about anybody. I won't give a damn if
you have a kid and all of a sudden they say, hey,
I want to be a stand up comedian, or you
(48:36):
say I want my kid to be a stand up comedian.
I hope your kid wants to be a stand up comedian.
If you're famous, I hope, I hope you or let
me finish or let me finish, or let me.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
You can't assume that me that my kid and I
are good and you don't have to have hopes for
my kid other than.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Just like just like just okay, we can have well wishes.
I don't criticize anybody's doing anything they want to do. Right, No,
I never criticized, So I don't want to be vilified
or mischaracterized on this podcast or anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I'm not saying I'm just well, just in case anybody's
out there listening to what you're saying and asking me
because I question and say I want to hear from.
All I'm saying is one I want to hear from
Brannie is like, I want to know what he wants
to do, and if he wants to play with his dad,
he wants to play overseas in Yugoslavia, if he wants
to play pick up basketball in an alley and in
the gutter, I don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I want to know what he wants, and I understand
that part of the decisions of what he wants will
be based on the conversations that he's having with his
parents and other people. I get that that influences, but
at the end of the day, I don't want people
putting pressure on somebody because that's what they want for
the kid.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't care who it is. I don't care if
it's your dad, I don't care, if it's your mom,
I don't care. If it's the fans, I don't care.
If it's me, I don't care if it's social media.
I don't give a damn. I just want what's best
for whatever the kid.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Is and prey.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Like you said, yeah, they we are talking to him,
and I know they want what's best for him as
well because that's their son or whatever. But all I'm
saying is like, hopefully he's making the informed decision he
wants to make so that he can live the life
that he wants to live. Because eventually Lebron might not
be here, you know what I'm saying, So he needs
to go ahead and continue to live his life long
(50:19):
after the fat bottom line.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I'll make that by stop that. Especially for social media.
Like I said, we had Grammy week, a lot of
talk about jay Z also sell people talking about why
the blue Ivy have on that dress, also sell people
defending Taylor against the whole t versus b conversation. I
just feel like, you know, especially when children are involved,
(50:43):
whether they're going to work with their parents, whether they
don't have the dance routine, or maybe they aren't the
best you've ever seen, you know, just chill out on
talking about kids. And more than likely you have kids
and just know that you wouldn't want anyone talking about
your kid, whether they were great or bad or whatever.
Just keep in mind, you know, kids are real kids.
They have access to information, and you don't want to
(51:04):
be a part of anything that would to tear this
kid from being the greatest version of whatever they grow
up to be.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's not that my stop that is, stop taking everything
so personally or thinking because you're in a certain gender
or race or whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That I understand.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
We have certain issues that people touch on and certain
traumas that we got to don't always think that somebody
is coming after you because you're a black person, you're
a a LGBTQ community, or because you're a woman.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Just stop doing that all the time. Now.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It is true sometimes, but somebody can take certain words
and aspects of certain slights and all of a sudden,
it's like, oh, you're only doing that because of this.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
It's not true. Now.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I understand once again the trauma when it comes to
racism and all that type of stuff like that. You
can hear something the white person says and it may
make you triggered to go back to that, but it's
not always the case. I think we got to do
a better job and we're all to come together as
a community or whatever. Sometimes we just need to ask
more questions and ask where the person is coming from.
Instead of just jumping to the conclusion and assuming that
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this person is coming after you or trying to make
somebody go against one another because of their opinion, Let's
get clarification.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
And I think this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
That we have sometimes on social media because you only
have one hundred forty seven characters on Twitter, or because
you put a message, you don't know the tone, you
don't know the context, especially when you're on social media
or in an email, you don't know it sometimes, so
sometimes you have to take a step back, not take
it so personally once again and say what did you
mean by that?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Where'd you coming from from that?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I don't understand that before the allegations are thrown out there,
because once again we talked about wearing a cancel culture
or whatever. All it takes is somebody saying something that
they didn't mean in that context or whatever. Somebody responded
to it, and people look at the reaction and then
they fought the person for an action that wasn't intended
to hurt anybody or whatnot. You just sometimes we need
to get clarifications, so please stop that.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Okay, Well, I guess that's this episode of Dane he
Ben there, I thought you're gonna wrap up the show.
Thank you so much. Don't forget to describe to our
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Y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the inflection collective part for us, A connected
reflective for a lot of perspective, perspected, defensive shit shit,
no captainspect facts of kicks back.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's here fortune there fit.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That all right, it's tuned for another servant of the
done there been there podcast Mike Hill hanging out with
my girl Eunice Elliott.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
What's happening you?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You know, a whole lot of the same. What about you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Uh, same old, same old, Just waiting for Nor to
come by and pick me up in the arc.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
All this rain and we're getting out here in La.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I mean, I know they said it never rains in
southern California, but uh, that's a lie, A lie, woman,
it's real. I mean, are you staying safe? Are you
staying dry?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm staying safe and dry, I will say. In the
almost year that I've been out here, it has rained
so much. Everyone tells me, you know, this is normal,
but every three hundred years. So I got here just
in time.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That ain't good for a black woman's here, huh, like
the rain of humidity and all that.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I mean this any woman's here, I suspect, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What moisture, It just depends on if you got somewhere
you're trying to be. My hair likes water, but not
in the context of I am presenting my hair to
be consumed. But like if I'm just walking outside in
the rain. I'm not someone that runs from the rain.
But if if I wanted my hair to be similar
to the way I started that day, then.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, but you got not your hairstyle anywhere. It's beautiful.
I love your hair. I always loved your hair.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So we always thought every week with the what have
you been? What have you done? Where have you been?
What have you done? What's going on with your week?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh? You know what, working, still doing more comedy, having
some great shows. You know, every week since I've been
out here, I wake up every other day with a
new idea of how to tackle it. I have a
new idea today. I'll keep you posting. I'll let you
know how it goes. But just just performing, you know,
trying to figure out the balance between I'm not a
social person at all, and I'm trying to find a
(01:52):
balance of hanging out a little more versus my actual
social battery capacity if that makes it, and you.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Know how important that it is out here man, the
power of networking, just being around people, meeting people. Some
people you necessarily don't want to be around, but at
the same time you have to be around in order
to fit in with some people.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What's that balance I always wanted.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Because I've been out here for a while ten years
now and being in entertainment from the last twenty nine years,
there's still a balance. And I tell people all the time,
it's like, yeah, I want a network, I want to
be around people, but if their energy is whack, I
don't give a damn what they can do for me.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I don't want to be around them.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, I'm trying to take the idea that it's not personal, right.
I think I've been living as a personal person, you know,
my whole life, and now I'm out here pursuing show
business and I'm needing to turn off my personal preferences
for the benefit of the business of it. Right, So
for me, there's a line. Right, I have my me time,
but I didn't move all the way out here just
(02:48):
to have me time. So for me, I'm like, hey,
you moved out here to be around these people. You
got to leave the house and be around these people.
And also taking what I take at slights or no
bad energy and taking it personally just saying, Okay, that's
how they move in the world. But you know, does
it affect me personally, No, because that's not available. Could
they potentially help me business wise? Okay, cool, let's see
(03:09):
what happens.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That's a great way of thinking too, because once I'm
trying to around certain these people. I mean, it's tough
because you go home and sometimes you'll see some of
the people that you admire, some of the people that
you respect from far and then you finally meet them
in person, and then they just don't have the right
type of energy for you whatever, and they could be
having a bad day. And what I've learned to do,
like you just mentioned, is to not take it too personally.
Maybe it was just they were having a bad day,
(03:31):
and not not let it affect me when it comes
to moving and you know, socializing with other people as well.
I've been doing the same thing, going out hitting these
open mics. You know, I think it's so important. I mean,
you're past the stage of open mics, of course, you're
a veteran these days. But I'm going into these places
where it's like five or six people and former comedians
(03:51):
and just doing my thing, and I'm enjoying that process.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So we'll see where it gets from.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Let me say this about open mics. I have not
had a chance to do a lot of them out here,
but mis aren't just for newer comedians. It's you know,
for at least my mindset of them. I open mics
are very valuable in working out material because even if
you've been doing it a long time, when people come
to see a show, they're not coming to see you
practice on them. And so you know, when you can
(04:16):
get those more intimate settings where you can kind of
work out some kinks or whatever, it's extremely valuable no
matter how long you've been doing comedy to have those spaces.
So then when people have paid these high ticket prices
and it got the two drink minimum, you're giving them
a real show. So I think open mics are valuable
regardless of where you are in your career. For sure.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Absolutely. I mean you got to start somewhere.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Everybody and everybody entertainment business has had to start somewhere
until they reach that certain status. When you get to
a certain a list like a jay Z, Beyonce, Dave
Chappelle And.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Are they a list or are they like a plus lists?
Are they considered?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think they're in a list of they're on a
list of their own. People like that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, your girl Taylor's with all these people who are
just famous. And that's one of the things I always say.
People are like, oh my, you know baa. I'm like,
I am not famous. When people say that you're I'm familiar.
There's a difference between famous and familiar. Famous people you
know their name, you walk up on them, like JC Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Oh you do you want to be famous? Like this
is probably a personal question. Do you have desires to
be famous?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
No, I don't want to be famous. I want to
have access.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think famous one thing famous like you lose your life.
You can't do something talking and think about having a life.
You can't have a life when you're too famous, because
you can't go to the grocery store, you can't go
to the movies, you can't spend time with your family,
have dinner, so your life gets interrupted. But I would
like to have enough popularity of familiarity so that I
have access to the things that I want to get in.
(05:38):
So I don't understand the line in the club. I
can stand the line. I don't have to stand in
line in the club. I want to be known by
famous people, if that makes sense, because people that know you,
famous people that know you, you get access, You get
the notariots for them, you get the respect that you
have and everybody else. I really couldn't care if you
know my name or not, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You, but yeah, I just want to I don't think
I desire to be famous. I do have a desire
to be respected, and I think I protect that at
all costs personally professionally. But you know what's interesting about
famous people or fame in general, and this will lead
us into the conversation where I have about jay Z
and Beyonce or any a listeners. It's sometimes, I'm not
going to say sometimes the majority of the time, is
(06:17):
not the person that has the fame that's weird. It's
the people and how they move around this person. I
think the way I've been able to a lot of
people say that I have a lot of famous friends,
but I'm like, I just know people that do different
things right, and I interact with them the same way
I interact with anybody. I think when you see that
vibration of people. I've had grown man when I used
(06:38):
to work with athletes, I've had growman step on me
and pushed me out the way to get next to
this grown man, you know. And so it becomes this
energy and vibration that everyone else has around the person
that they have deemed famous or that they have deemed
worthy of this tension. And I think, you know, I
talk about the Kardashians. Don't hate the player, I hate
the game. Everyone else keeps them famous and rich. They're
(06:59):
just if a camera show up to my house and
literally watch me do nothing as season whatever they're on show,
I'm not gonna say no, no, guys, please, I really
have nothing going on today, right, And so a lot
of times people don't realize their culpability in the game
that they say they hate.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But go on, it is no, no, you're right, You're
absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's something about being especially athletes we used to call
them jock sniffers or entertainers. When you just want to
be around them, you kind of hanging on their nuts,
you know, That's what we do. Even if they ain't
got nuts, you don't want to hang on their nuts
and it's just sometimes it throws you off. Like you said,
it's very weird, and they'll move past you to get
to them, not knowing that they may need you more
so than they actually need them because they're not going
to do anything for you. Let me ask you this
(07:39):
quick question before we move on, because this kind of
leads into what I'm talking about. Somebody asked me the
other day is like, you know, do you know any
of these people?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do they know you?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think one of the biggest accolades I get, Like
I said, I want to be knowing my famous people,
and that's just not the brag. But when I was
working at ESPN, at Fox and have my own show
and doing all those type of things, when you I
know you've made it is when famous people know who
you are. And so I think that is something that
kind of like is the biggest, bigger compliment. It's one
(08:09):
thing for somebody on the street, which I love, to
come up to me and say they enjoy what I'm doing.
But when you get a big A list celebrity who
comes up and they say they enjoy what you're doing,
that is the world because you're like, first of all,
you know me, and you like what I'm doing. I mean,
who is that? I know, you got Marlin and everything
like that. Have you since you've been out here or
(08:29):
even before then, have you been in a situation where somebody,
a famous person that everyone knows, has come up to
you and given you the compliment of your dreams?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah? You know what? Yeah, Marlon Wayans is an obvious one.
But I will say since I've been out here, Marlin
has a lot of famous friends and they come to
his shows. And so when I get to open for him,
you know, I've had the opportunity to perform in front
of Robert Townsend Omar EPs is his best friend from
high school. If you on Crockett, and so when I
think one of the greatest compliments if young Crockett gave me,
(09:00):
he was like, yo, you dope with the pen meaning
I'm a good right. And so just by association of
someone and their friend group, they're now like, hey, okay,
I see why he was telling this girl to come
do this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So I would say most of my people so far
around here have been part of Marlin's web of you know,
really talented people that come out and support him at
his shows. People I've admired for a very long time.
But you know, when I was in Alabama as a
TV news anchor, you used to interview a lot of
these big comedians and then a lot of times they
would invite me to open for them. Some of them
invited me on the road with them. So those were
(09:34):
always you know, pushes in the right direction of saying, hey,
we see you got something going on, let's go. So
I would probably say that I've been blessed to receive
very positive feedback, but you know, I haven't found the
person my fairy godmother, if you will wait, wait.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Wait, can I tell you something that that's so true
about being out here anywhere and entertainment business is not
necessarily how great you are, because I think it's all really,
you know, subjective to what you like and with the
fans like it's who the people would access, the people
would influence who they like that's going and not just
(10:09):
the people that are eight listeners in front of the camera.
I'm talking about behind the scenes too, big time executive producers.
If they like themselves from Unite Elliott and they endorse
the units Elliott, watch how you skyrocket Man, That's just
I think that's in life as well. But one of
the things that like to lead into what we're talking about,
Like somebody asked me is like, have you ever met
jay Z? And I'm like, I've actually been around jay
(10:30):
Z a couple of times. And the first time I
met him, I was working at Madison Square Garden. Obviously
he didn't know who I was. He walks onto the elevator.
This is before right after Heart, not life. This is
before he was as big as he is now, even
though he was big, And he walks in and I
remember talking to him and said, hey, I enjoy your work.
Big fan of your stuff, not just on records, but
what he's trying to do as far as moving. This
(10:52):
is when he was moving away from Dame Dash and
all that silly stuff that was going on there, but
moving in a different direction and trying to, you know,
evolve as a person.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And he appreciated that.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And the next time I saw him, I saw him
in a bowl now and he and Beyonce and I'm
right there in this section, and when this guy knows
who you are, like, I'm like, it tripped me up
because I was at ESPN at the time. Same thing
with Magic, same thing with the who else Michael Jordan
walks up on all those type of people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
So that's kind of like that stamp that you really
need as a person that's in this business. If you
can get other people to answer your question about being
famous or whatever. When you get famous people that like
what you do and know who you are, that's the
world speaking to jay Z.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Let me add one more thing. I really don't be
caring about famous people knowing me. I be wanting famous
people to want to work with me. And so for me,
especially as a comedian, sometimes other comedians are like, oh,
Carol Hart's coming through, and I'm like, and then what happens?
They're like, no, he couldn't come by, And I'm like,
and then what happens? You know, So I'm somebody who
I'm excited when someone I admire is in the space,
but I'm more excited they're like, Yo, what you're doing tomorrow?
(11:53):
Let's write Yeah. So I tend to be a little
underwhelmed with the interactions when they don't invite me over
to their palatial estate write me a check.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, that hasn't happened to me yet. I mean I
haven't gone onto the States, and that it's going being known. Yeah,
like you said, it's just it's nice as it helps.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Out with the ego.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But no matter how big you get, sometimes no matter
what type of accolades, accolades you can have, you could
be the biggest star on the face of the earth.
And I believe Beyonce. Forget Taylor Swift, I think Beyonce
is the biggest star on the face of the earth.
That's just my personal opinion. No matter how many Grammy
she's won, it's still not enough in some people. Now,
Beyonce didn't say anything, but I wonder. I know you've
heard with jay Z, who was receiving an Icon Award
(12:35):
at the Grammys, what he said in his speech about
Beyonce not receiving Record of the Year, And here's what
he said.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
We want you to get it right, at least get
it close to right. I don't want to embarrass this
young lady, but she has more Grammys than everyone and
never one album in a year, So even by your
own metrics, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean, yeah, jay Z was throwing a little shade.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Some people don't belong in the category, but yeah, I mean,
you think that Beyonce, who's had thirty two Grammys most
of all time, and she's never one Record of the Year.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Ironically, Album of the Year, Album.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of the Year. Let me get that right.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
They've made a joke about that during the Grammys Album
of the Year, that she's never gotten it, and ironically
on the same night that Taylor's who have broken a
record for winning her fourth Grammy for Album of the Year.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
What did you think of that whole assessment?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know what I think is unfortunate and I think
we see him primarily in spaces of women. Is this comparison?
Is tit for Tad? Now, I will say, if Beyonce
is the most Grammy award winning artists of all time,
the Grammys the Album of the Year is the big
one because all the other awards and that you are
nominated for are more than likely works from that album.
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So if she's been awarded, and that's what jay Z's
point was, by your own metrics, if you've given her
the most Grammys for projects on her albums, but you've
never given her Album of the Year. These are parts
of the album, and she's won all these Grammys for
the parts of the album. But that Album of the Year,
that's kind of weird. You know, most artists will say,
I don't do it for the awards. I don't do
it for the accolades. Of course that's probably true, but
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you do want to be honored and respected by your
peers and in your industry. I think jay Z sometimes,
I feel sometimes jay Z plays both sides right, Because
jay Z is one of the wealthiest people. He does
have power and influence, And sometimes when you see someone
stand on the stage when they are accepting an award
from the body that they are criticizing, it's like there
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probably could have been some things discussed or handled outside.
I also feel like he kind of has the same
situation with the NFL, his association with the NFL when
he came on board after the whole taking a knee
of fiasca with Colin Kaepernick. So what I'm saying is,
sometimes you can use your platform to bring attention to something,
but then also what are you doing outside of that
moment when you are also accepting an award from who
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you're chastising and criticizing.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, I mean, and the Icon Award is over there.
He deserves that, obviously. I always look at the Grammy's
I look at the Oscar. We were always going to
find something wrong sometimes. But you know what, why does
that award mean so much? And I know why it
means so much, because you can say you're a Grammy winner,
you can say you're an Academy Award winner, you can
say you're a Tony winner, and whatnot. Sometimes I think
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it's black people though. I think we put so much
emphasis on those awards, but the people that help get
you there. And I'm not talking about jay Z or
just Beyonce anybody else. I'm talking about as a whole.
We put so much emphasis on those awards, even as fans,
even as viewers or whatever, but we don't support the
awards shows that actually help those people grow into that
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crossover mainstream. Like BT Awards used to be huge. Nobody
knows who is going to win the BT Award this year, nobody.
Can you tell me who won the ALM of the Year,
the BAT Awards probably not. Can you tell me who
won the for the NAACP, the Image Award, probably not.
You can't do those types of things because they're not
as important now. I could say the same thing about
the MTV Awards, which used to be so huge with whatever,
nobody really cares about those anymore. It's about the Grammys
(15:54):
and about the Academy Awards. Now, what I will say
is that jay Z, I believe you know. And I'm
not privy to this, so I'm not trying to I'm
just just my opinion. Maybe there was an internal discussion
that was happening inside the house. And sometimes when your
wife who has this great image, and she's not gonna
come out and say this publicly because she's too classy,
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but I think maybe she feels a little slighted too.
I mean, I think there is a part of her
who puts in all this work as Beyonce and Sasha Fears,
who has these dynamic concerts, who is just well loved
and renowned across the world's great output out great albums.
I think it's a shame that she's never one Album
of the Year. Now it could have been because that
particular year she had a great album, but somebody was
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just better, just like we've seen. It took so long.
You can look at Denzel's cred. Maybe he should have
more Academy Awards. He should have won for a Hurricane,
He should have won for Malcolm X. Maybe that year
that the Academy just said, hey, somebody was better this year,
even though you had You've had an outstanding career. So
it's interesting that you can win that many Grammys and
never win Album of the Year, like you said, because
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the compilation you entire work. But at the same time,
I think it's also a shame that she hasn't. And
I don't know how we go about fixing it or well,
I think the.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Way we go about fixing it is again most of
our conversations. And I don't know if it's because we
are black people in America, but you know, there's still
this thing that you don't want to be seeking validation
from others, right, and so the awards that were not
created for is the awards that we used to could
not be nominated for, the awards that we were never
invited to. You know, once that started happening, where people, oh,
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the first blackft, the first rap album, this, it's like, oh,
they're acknowledging us, they're validating us. I think it's unfortunate
that there is so much division, and people always say,
people bring race into it. We were born into the
construct of race and the division of race, and so
in every facet of life. We still have so many
black firsts, but then when we have the black first,
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you have to say, but why did I need that
validation from them? That's great that I broke down that class,
that's great that I'm pioneering, but also why do I
need them to clap for me?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mean, well, I think because that's the I think
that's the biggest and I understand exactly and I feel
the same way. Grammy's obviously the biggest award that you
can win in music. That is recognized as the biggest
award that you can win in music, like one day,
hopefully you receive a Mark Twain Award for your comedy
or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
If you know, you continue that.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's the biggest award everybody wants to win that accoladeing
Album of the Year is one of those things right now.
But once again, it's like the recognition we know who
Beyonce is, we know how great she is, whatever, it
shouldn't be as important. But once again, I think that
was internal conversations between her Yonce other people. Kanye did
the same thing ironically to Taylor Swift and made Taylor
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Swift famous in a sense to us because I had
never heard of Taylor Swift before that Kanye moment and whatnot.
That was so long ago. I can't believe him saying that,
but that's exactly what happened. So he didn't say anything
that Kanye hadn't been saying for years or whatever. He
just said it publicly on the award stage of the
same awards that he awards showed that he was getting
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an award for.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And I think it right.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think it's obviously a conversation that we can all
have at nauseum. But at the end of the day,
you know, Beyonce is gonna be Beyonce. She works harder
than everybody else. She puts the time in. You know,
that's the one thing I will say about Beyonce for
I think it's unfortunate when Beyonce comes up the inverse
or what people think is the opposite of it, Beyonce
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is Taylor Swift because we always kind of pit women
against each other. If it's Niggi Minajen makes it, you know,
it's like it's never just let a woman be great
and we don't have to compare it to another woman
and judge her greatness. But it's one of those things
where I'm sure they've had conversations about it, but again
by their own metrics. Okay, if this is how this
award system works, this doesn't make sense that she hasn't
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won this award. I'm not saying they're like, oh like me,
you like me. It's just like, hey, the math and
math and on this. I also think it's interesting. And
when you do talk about Taylor Swift, and I already
know that my producer's gonna make this the clip of
the days. Don't have to make sure I say it right,
but it's one of those things where you can't name
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a Taylor Swift song. And we think back to when
we were growing up and we didn't have our own
music channels, our own music resources. We knew everyone's music.
We knew Duran Duran, we knew Wham, we knew Rick Springfield,
we knew Bruce Springs. You know, we had a more
I think in our generation, a more inclusive music experience.
Michael Jackson, Prince Madonna, we knew all the songs. And
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then even if you think back like we knew Pink songs,
we knew Alvril Lavigne songs, we knew Fergie, you know,
and so for whatever reason, however, she's become the most
popular and most billionaires type woman on the planet. With
Taylor Swift, she does not have the crossover appeal that
Beyonce does have. And so that's what's interesting is if
you just look at business, Taylor Swift doesn't have that
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crossover that we've seen white women have in our communities Madonna.
You know how many Madonna songs, you know? And so
it's that thing of like, for whatever reason, we're not,
don't we're not, we don't know what the hype is
for her, but she's the most pipe of woman on
the planet.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
I think, I think, I think you twofold. I think
that she does have a huge following from some Black
people out there, maybe not us, maybe not the type
of music we listen to. And I agree, Beyonce has
been able to cross over and it's beloved and loved
more so by white by white women than Taylors with
this beloved by black women. But you can say the
same thing like Britney Spears, Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I was surprised how.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Many Britney Spears music.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Britney Spears.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I've seen more black people come out and defend Britney Spears.
And I've seen white people come out and find Britney
Spears when it came to the whole justin Timberlake situation
on when she was going through her situation.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
With her dad. So that that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I think that's interesting though, right because we can
we know it's not to me, it's not a race thing.
It's a music thing. Right. We like good music and
whatever touches you think our communities, We've never discriminated against
people who put out good music, whether it was eminem
you know what I'm saying. Like as far as crossover,
we invite people to the cookout, We're like, oh, this
is a bop. You know Gwen Stefani, you know all
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the white women that I know, I know there are
songs that I can jam to. My nieces are swifties.
And I guess maybe my sister who takes them to
the concert, she's probably a swifty too.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Maybe.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
So I'm not saying she doesn't have black fans. I'm
saying the actual crossover appeal of everyone knows these artists songs.
Everybody knew Michael Jackson, everybody knew Prince, everybody knew Madonna.
Everybody knew, and music is different. In how we consume
music is different. It's very segmented now. But I just
think it's interesting. How you know, if I had to,
I might be able to name. I probably can say
(22:38):
shake it Off. That would be the one tailor show song.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I could say, uh yeah, I have no idea what
you're talking about. When it comes down, I think if you,
if you hummed the song, maybe I know it seriously.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I just I'm just I don't know it if.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You hum it, but I know there's something huge.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But but for me, I'm not even really a huge
music fan period. If I like music, I hear it,
I hear but I'm not going deep and saying I know,
oh this is number four her album, her third album
that came out.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I can't do it for anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm not that, but some people can't. The one thing
that really stood out to me during Jay Z's speech
wasn't what people were talking about, and I think his
message at the end, this is where we're talking about
done there have been that. Where it resonated with me
was when he said you got to keep showing up,
So no matter what, you got to keep showing up
until they give you the accolades, until they give you
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what he said, the accolades that you deserve, until they
call you chairman, until they call you a genius, until
they call you the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
So you just got to continue to show up no
matter what, keep on putting in that work.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think that message got lost because of everything else
he said, you know, calling out the Grammy's basically even
saying something about boycott and when he was up for
you know, some certain Grammys or whatever, and even throwing
shade at other artists who shouldn't be in certain categories.
The last part of what he said to me resonated,
and what's the most important message that no matter what
people have done to you or not give you that
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you feel like you deserve, every single day, you keep
showing up because, like you mentioned, I don't know if
you're an artist. If you're in it just to receive
awards or recognition from people that don't necessarily want to
give it to you, you're gonna have a long career
that is going to be so super frustrating. I mean
I've been up for Emmys and all that type of
(24:22):
stuff Like that lost way more Emmies, and I want
to want to, but I've lost way more Emmies than
I've ever won. But I'm not in it just for that.
I'm in it for the satisfaction of my art, of
me going and doing something I enjoy doing, of me
looking at myself in the mirror and knowing that I
gave myself and gave the people that are listening or
watching me everything that I had on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
That is what I do it for.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So if I can get up and I have that
type of mindset where I can look myself in the
mirror and know that, hey, you up, I'm gonna show
up no matter what you give me. And eventually, because
you're giving me fuel because you didn't give me what
I thought I deserved or want it, I should say,
then I'm gonna work even hard until all those things
come my way. And if they never come, that's fine,
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but at least I'm giving a thousand percent of everything
I do.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
All right. I think the healthiest way to pursue your dreams,
pursue your art, pursue your craft is for your passion
for it. I think anytime you're doing something for someone
else to acknowledge it or support it or congratulate or awarded.
You're gonna always be coming up short, especially in show business.
Right you might not get invited, or you get invited,
you're not invited to the Earthro party, you're nominated, you
(25:31):
don't win, you don't get nominated. It's picked up, it
doesn't you know, it's always another benchmark where you might
feel like if you're chasing that, you might feel like
the finish line keeps being moved versus, Hey, I'm proud
and excited of this thing I've worked on. I sleep
good at night, and who is for it'll reach And
that's how I pursue comedy, That's how I pursue just
being a human. It ain't for everybody. I know, I'm
not for everybody, but for the people I am for,
(25:53):
I know that you know I'll keep going for them.
And then if someone else acknowledges it or is surprised
or supports it, it's like, hey, welcome to the party.
But you know it's gonna be the same. It's gonna
be the same show whether you watch it or not.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Absolutely, And like I said, I'm getting in the stand
up not for the applause. As a matter of fact,
one of the best pieces of advices I got was
from a comedian that said, hey, don't listen for the applause,
don't listen for the laughter or whatnot, because all your
jokes are going to hit. And if you listen for
the laughter and you don't get that laughter, it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Throw you off.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That advice is coming handy a lot so far.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Let me put the second part of the advice. Maybe
you didn't hear the second part, but you are up
there to make them laugh.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm up there to make them laugh.
You know. You know a lot of my jokes here
or whatnot. Don't get me wrong, I know what I'm
up there for.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
But at the same time, right now, my comedy is
therapy because I'm not talking about things that are exaggerated.
I'm talking about little exaggeration, but I'm talking about, you know,
things that are actually happening to me in my life.
And so, like I said, it's very therapeutic for me
and I'm enjoying that.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I also want to point out something that with jay Z,
he had his beautiful daughter Blue Ivy on stage and
let me say, let me say that, and we probably
don't have enough hours in the day to talk about this,
But going back a few episodes when I may have
offered my opinion on Taylor Swift's persona and media personification
of her, I find it odd that Blue Ivy, an
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actual child who we have very rarely ever seen without
being in the company of one or both of her
actual parents, as an eleven year old child and even younger,
I have seen more adults defend Taylor Swift online than
ever defended Blue Ivy a child when she was attacked,
and I would like to say that it has a
lot to do with Black women. I've never seen as innocent,
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were fast little girls. We're sexualized when a minute we're born,
and white women tend to enjoy a certain fragility that
black women are never offered. We'll leave that for another day.
That's called the patriarchy. That's called racism, that's called misogyny.
Let's just move on.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, no, no, you're absolutely I want to add to
that because I think that's important and I'm not afraid
to say it now so I'll get pushed back for this,
and this might be the clip that comes out and
then all these women are gonna come from me, especially
black women. I'm just here because because here's the thing,
I do believe that they're What you said is absolutely
true about Taylor Swifts getting this past. She's thirty four
(28:20):
years old. She's not fourteen years old anymore. She gets
defended way more than Blue Ivy. But when I see
Blue Ivy back in the day, I remember this is
the one criticism of her being on stage and all
that type of stuff like that. People came to arrescue
and say, but they also look at it as what
is it when when your parents give you something, what's
it called nepotism? Nepotism? Yeah, see, that's why you're you're
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an Alabama student. Nepotism. They thought it was nepotism getting
an opportunity. She went up there, and she worked hard.
And that's why I'm happy that in that movie that
just came out, they talked about how they said no
at first because of those same concerns whatnot. But Blue
worked hard to get to where she is right now.
She even has a Grammy right now. But I will
say that some of the early criticism a Blue Ivy
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came from us in that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Piss came from all of it came from us, came
from us. That's what I'm saying. I'm seen more black
people defending adult Taylor Swift than I ever saw defending
Blue Ivy. That's my point is I see white people saying,
you're jealous, just let that woman live, and they come.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
To this, this woman's are coming to you, Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
That never defended this actual child. That is this actual child.
So whether her hair, her dancing ability or whatever. Guess what.
Nepotism is only used as a bad word when it's
black folks benefiting. When white people have nepotism, it's called legacy,
it's called generational absolute. But when black people put their
kids their family, I've seen people dog at Marlon Williams
(29:51):
for talking about creating his own lane and they're like, oh,
Keenan gave it to you. Okay, it's a lot of wings,
y'all ain never heard of because you still had to
show up and do the work and write and produce.
And Keenan said, hey, I've made a path, but you
got to write your own projects, right. And so a
lot of times, when black people are related to someone,
or if a black person gets an opportunity because they
have access to someone all of a sudden, your talent,
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your work doesn't count. But when white people do it,
it's generational wealth, it's legacy, it's oh, this is Steve
McQueen's grandson.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So what I'm saying is there's a deeper conversation to
even have. And I want to even talk about the
Lebron and BROWNI situation was exactly point just the other day.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So like, you're absolutely right, but we have to a
lot of it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
We expect the noise to come from a certain community,
right because they can look at you. You could be
coming from the dirt to destiny, you know, and they're
still going to find something to criticize you about, saying, well,
the only reason you got this because government gave you
this and all that stuff and firmative action and all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So we expect that I'm talking.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
About this is my challenge to us, to our community
to stop doing that when it comes to somebody getting on,
when somebody has an opportunity, no matter who gives them
that opportunity to get on, I personally went through it.
So once we talk about done, there have been that
and not just making it about me, but this is
what the podcast is about.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
All those years, even when.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I was with you, Cynthia or whatever, people used to
tell me when I got a show on Netflix, when
I got my show at BNC or whatever, all the
wrong reason you're getting that is.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Because of your wife.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like, come on, man, don't discount what I've done in
my life or what I've been just because I'm associated
with somebody. Now, if it benefits me to be associated
with somebody and I get an opportunity or cracking the door,
it is my job to push that door open, to
punch that door open, or to kick that door open,
and to stay in that room, because believe me, if
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I'm not good enough, You're not gonna stay in the room. So, yes,
sometimes you can get exposure through somebody else that you know,
or somebody that you're related to or whatever. But when
you get that exposure, that damn light is still hot
and you still gotta perform. So when it comes to
Blue Ivy putting on or whatever whatnot, Yes, we know
who Blue Ivy is from birth because she has two
of the most famous people as parents, Jay Z and Beyonce, Right,
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But her skill set and what she's been able to
do the work she puts in her personality. You see
her checking her even parents like y'all ain't got a
clap of that about everything. And jay Z used that
as part of her his speech. That shows you her influence,
what they mean to her, even the same thing. Like
Austin Rivers. I don't know if you saw this the
other night. He was on ESPN, and everybody wants Ronnie
who's at USC, to play with Lebron James, now who's
(32:28):
in the NBA. Lebron James in his twentieth season, has
always said he wants to play with his son, which
is outstanding. Austin Rivers comes out, and this is where
the line is. Austin Rivers comes out and said he
doesn't want to see it only because he knows the
scrutiny that Bronnie will go through having to play with
his dad, because he actually played for his dad. Now
it might not be the same situation exactly, but I
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get his point because we want to see these kids
in a degree be able to move and be able
to be successful without the energy that they get from
some people. Because now you even look at Bronnie at USC,
people say, well, the only reason he's getting this because
Lebron's son and all that type stuff. Yeah, sure he
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might get a look.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But let's say that's true. So and then what happened.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know what, he still got He has to perform.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So at the opposite side of that, when it came
to Austin, I understand what he's saying. I also believe that. Look,
I want Bronnie to succeed his daddy successful. I want
him to be able to play with this da Who
wouldn't want to see that King Griffith Jr. King Griffith Junr.
Senior had hit the back to back home runs one
time playing as teammates.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We love to see that.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Who would want to see that generational pass down, that
baton passed down and whatnot. But at the same time,
as everything I just said about all the other kids
with Blue Ivy and whatnot, sometimes you do want to
be able to see them do the things that they
want to. What we know about Blue Ivy is that
she wanted this, she wanted to go into She put
herself in that position. This is what she wants and
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we love that.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't know Ronni and Lebron, but you hear everybody
talking about Lebron saying he wants Brinnie to play with him,
which is great and I want to see it happen,
if it happens, But at the same time, I don't
want people saying, hey, BRINNI needs to come out of
school because Lebron's about to retire. No, let Bronni have
the career that he wants to have. If he wants
to make the decision to come out after one season
at USC and he's not drafted, that's on him. If
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he makes it and he is drafted, that is on him.
He still has to perform whatnot. Now do I personally
believe he's ready to come into the NBA From talking
to scouts that know the NBA and know about you
know what it takes to be in the NBA. They
don't see it yet. They don't see it right now.
But that doesn't mean that if he stays in school
for another two or three years or whatever and finishes
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that he can't develop into the player that everybody would
like him to be. And then if Lebron is still around,
let that happen. But let's not put pressure for this.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
But let me offer this, even whether it's the scout
or his talent or his ability. In other communities, when
a parent says out, I want my kid to work
with me. I built this so we can have you know,
Johnson and sons, and my kid is gonna take over
a lot of times the kids don't take over because
they do have other interests, or sometimes they do, you know,
take in the family business. I just feel like we
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put our community in such an area of scrutiny, whether
the person wants to pursue the family business or not,
whether they're going to be successful or not. You know,
sometimes you do what you've been exposed to. If you've
grown up around basketball or football or music, more than
likely you might have a talent or ability or you've
been nurtured in that way. And ultimately what you're going
to be is going to be a standalone process, just
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like all of us are. If our parents who are
a doctor, we might become a doctor, we might become
a musician, we might come a crackhead, you know. And
so I just feel like, especially our community, and I
don't want this message to be lost because if there's
anything I want to say is if you defend as
a black person, and I might even say black woman.
If you are a black woman that uses the Internet
and you have taken the time to defend Taylor Swift,
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but you have never taken a time to defend Blue Ivy.
If you are a black person who has chastised the
idea of Brinnie and Lebron playing together, go back and
make sure you can show me the screenshot of you
chastising some of these other nepotism situations that are not
in our community. That's all I'm saying, And I'm not
saying just because somebody's black, don't mean it shouldn't be
up for scrutiny or opinion. That's fine, but let's let's
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just share opinions on everything. And you may not even
have knowledge of other communities because you only know about
the community you know about. But that's my point is
we vilify and tear down our own much quicker than
anybody else could. Guess what, anybody else, even checking for us,
don't even know we've been born yet, all right, they
don't know us until we do become a superlative and
then it must have been affirmative action. But while we're
on the grind, we having to fight off the negativity
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of our own before we even get to see what
we mature into. That's the unfortunate part, because sometimes you
give me that one comment, that one statement, that one
thing that, like you said, jac said, keep going, keep
showing up. You don't know what that one thing is
that to make a person go within. It might be
that one person that says you're not funny that keeps
you off stage for the next fifteen years. I hate
to bring Marlin up again, but he talks about in
his special that Chris Rock said he wasn't and he
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didn't do comedy for another nineteen years because someone he
respected said he wasn't funny, you know. And so I
just say we need to check ourselves that if you're
trying to do anything, you ain't got nothing to do
to tear anybody else down, Like do you have constructive feedback? Hey,
I see what you're doing, and if you try this,
that might get you to where you're going. But just
just to tear people down just because you don't like
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the way it feels or because of projection. And I'm
just about you. I'm saying people our community, that's the
most unfortunate thing. Yourself. This week, just this week challenge yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And I love that because I think there is that line.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
There is a like, as a sportscast, somebody who's asked
about opinions, I'll say the same thing about an Isaiah Collyer,
who's your teammate right now? With now, I'm like, Okay,
well he's good. Know it's a five star athlete. Will
he go to the pro? Yeah, he'd be able to develop.
Does he need to work on his turnovers because I
think at one time he's leading the nation turnovers. Whatever,
he doesn't look like he's ready right now. Maybe one
more year would be helpful to him. But if he
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wants to go, if he wants to go, all I've
ever said, even when it came to LeVar Ball and
the Ball brothers, when you had those three sons and
he was talking about this is what I'm gonna do,
these are my sons whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So I love that. Brother. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
You're proud of your sons, and you raise your sons
to be good basketball players, and it seems to be
good citizens, you know what I mean at.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
The end of the day.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But at the end of the day, I just wanted
to be the kids decisions sometimes, you know, and I'm
not saying, oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Great, but that's still a projection of how you feel
about somebody else's kids. And you see if someone's projection
of how they feel about your kids. I think any
parent want the best for their kids, right whatever anybody
else on the outside can consume. If someone challenges you
on you having your kids' best interest at heart, you're
gonna be ready to fight. So I'm saying we need
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to look at ourselves sometimes when we're speaking on other
people's children, that we have to know their parents have
their best interests in heart so much more so than
we have, so much more than you know, like, that's
their kid, and so whatever conversations they've had, whatever plans
they have, you know, kind of going back to a
previous episode of talking about Diana and his kids buying,
imagine you don't know what storyline that follows for them,
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and so we can share our opinions. That's great that
we're on a podcast, that's what we're here to do.
But I just think we need to kind of take
pause when we speak on other people's children and what
we hope for other people's children and what we want
to see for other people's children. Like their parents don't
want that first and foremost and more so than.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Anybody else, and outside of everything, And one of the
things I always give respect to Lebron James's well, not
what he does on the basketball court. He's phenomenal there,
I think I think he's a much better person off
the court, of course, and what he's been able to
do with the school or whatever. How he loves his family,
how he loves his kids. He'll defend his kids no
matter what. He's a phenomenal father.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And I'm not.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Saying that he's the one that's putting pressure on Brannie
or whatnot. I think society becomes that because we want
to see a storyline instead of this man having an
outstanding future and a great story more times, because I know,
in this profession, in this world, we just talked about
it on social media, as many people that want to
see you succeed, people who want to see you fail
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to because they're miserable. Well, and I just want this kid,
just like Lebron does. I want to see him live
his best life, no matter what he's doing. If he
wants to be a janitor and just make money, his
dad sent him money every now and then that's fine,
that's great.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But I said, we just sit back and let the
story right itself. I don't think the feverish nature of
people's opinions should really, you know, because these are kids
we're talking about, and these are other people's kids we're
talking about, and I think, you know, you know, we
can root on, we can have our own opinions, we
can have our own preferences. But I think the veracity
that people feel with sharing their opinions online also in
(40:34):
a negative way, in a derogatory way. It's quite offensive
because I think anyone who has a kid that let's
say Madonna brings her kids on stage for her tour,
you know, it's like, these are my kids, I am
on tour. If my kid wants to say, hey, mom,
can I sing a song? Mariah Carey's kids, J Loo's kids,
you know, that's what the kid knows. They're going to
work with their parents. And then for people who might
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not even have parents or otherwise to sit back and
then go on to the internet and dog, got a kid,
got a kid parents, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, all of them. I think this is what we're
saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
All I'm saying is the backside of that is like
I get concerned sometimes for certain kids because they are
kids and they got to grow up and become adults.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Like you said, but you are concerned, but at the.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Same time, so we also know, just like you mentioned,
there could be something that could be said by a
certain person that can have an effect on them for
the next ten fifteen years, just like you said Chris
Rock had when it came to Marl and whatnot. So
I am happy that Bronnie seems like he's been sheltered.
He seems like he's been able to handle the outside
press or the pressure or the people of whatever, people
saying good or bad about him. He's been even killed
(41:46):
just like his dad, so you can tell he's been
raised by his.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Dad or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I just want, I just want what's best, and I
just like lebron does and Savannah does what's best for Bronnie.
We want to hear from Bronnie sometimes, do you want
to put that?
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yea, But guess what, he as a kid. Why do
we have to hear from the kid. The kid's doing
what he's doing, he's in college, he's playing a ball.
Why does he have to talk about what his dad
is his dad is the professional. Bronnie's an amateur collegiate athlete,
and why wouldn't we say I appreciate that they don't
put Bronnie in the spotlight to talk about this, and
they just let him be a kid playing college ball,
(42:22):
Like why couldn't that be celebrated versus we want to
hear from the kid. That's all I'm asking a college
why do we need to hear from him?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I get we want to, we want to say that,
but once again, he's a kid. He's nineteen years old.
It's still making adult decisions about his life. That's going
to affect him for the.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Rest of it.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
So I'm sure he'll share it, right, you just think
he he'll share what he's gonna do when he decides
what he's gonna do or what he wants to do. No,
I'm asking, do you think Bronnie will share when he
has an idea or he ready to communicate to us.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
I just hope. I just hope. And this is for
any kid that's out there. This will be for my kids.
One of the reasons, like my daughter's second daughter's name
was supposed to be Kayla, Mikayla and I was like, not,
I want her to have her own identity.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I don't even want her to have my name.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I don't want to have to have anything to do
with me because of who I am or whatever. And
I'm not saying I'm even I'm definitely not on Lebron
level or anybody else's level like that. So all I'm
saying is I like kids to have their own identity.
I want them to be based on their Mayora's not.
Once again, if a door is open because you are
my kid, I've opened doors to my kids. I will
say that that is to me, It's not nepotism. That's
just what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to make
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sure that your kids have the best life possible for them.
All I'm saying is we live in a society right
now units where your every move is going to be scrutinized.
And I understand that you got to have thick skin,
right so when he gets there, and if he doesn't
make it, if he doesn't make it, then all of
a sudden, it's like you get they build you up
to tear you down, and that's that's my only concern.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
And once again, but if he can do whatever the hell.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
He can do whatever the hell he wants to.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
At the end of the day, he and Lebron and
all of them, they may he could have come out
and as junior year said, I don't want to go
to high school. That's on him. That's fine. If he
doesn't want to do that, I have no problem with that.
I am not talking about Bronnie and talking to him.
I'm talking to the people out there that want to
see this happen and not necessarily look out for the
best interest of the kids. So maybe sometimes you hear
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outside noise and screwtiney and say, oh you're ready and
doing all that type of stuff, and they want to
see him in the NBA. Yeah, I want to see him.
I want to see him in the NBA, and I
want to see him stay in the NBA if that's
what he wants to long after Lebron is retired. That
is my hope for this kid. That is my hope
for that kid is about to become an adult, That's
all I'm saying. So at the end of the day,
once again, do whatever the hell you want to do,
But I want to make sure that it's what he
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wants to do.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
And I'm not saying and.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
I'm just that you and everybody else who has a
hope for this kid has to know that his parents
have even bigger and better hopes based on that being
their kids. Know what I'm saying outside noise about other
people's kids is weird. Yeah, we want everybody to succeed
and win in theory, but I'm saying, because he is
a public kid, he's a famous kid, he already has
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a name as a kid. Why not let that kid
be a kid? Why do we need you said you
wanted to hear from him. Why do we need to
hear from him? He's the kid like he's gonna do
what he's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I want him to, I want him and I wish,
and be honest with you, I wish Lebron would have
never said that.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I know what he meant by, but I wish Lebron
would have.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Never said that, because now all we've been doing ever
since Bronnie's sophomore years like, oh, Broni's gonna play with Lebron,
and Lebron's.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Right, but doing that, But we no, No.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
We're well people.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
This is people are paid for their opinion and especially
in the sports media. Now Lebron who declined this option
for next year, he said he's not gonna make it
a year. For now we're saying, okay, well, is he
gonna go to the Knicks and that's gonna be the
team wherever Lebron Bronni gets drafted, this is where he's
gonna So everybody speculating and putting all that stuff out
there right now, I want Ronni to continue to develop
as Bronni once again. Lebron obviously the name. All that stuff,
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the skills set, the DNA helped him get to you
as see, become the player that he is.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I just want kids at a certain age or whatever,
a certain time, man, and just to be able to
like for us, from Brawn, from anybody else, man.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Hate. It is your life.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's what you're supposed to do at the end of
the day. My daughter's same thing. This is your life.
Whatever you want to do, as long as you've productive
members of society, I could care less. I couldn't care
less about what you decide to do. Maybe a stripper,
but if you're a stripper and you're doing it well
or whatever, and you're a classy stripper, that's fine, But you.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Also wouldn't want everybody on the internet talking about what
your daughter should do and how they have their so
what they look for your daughters more so than what
you know about your daughters or how you converse and
support your daughters. If you had to consume all day,
every day what you're a kid should be doing, you
would feel like that was a little weird. Like, yeah,
I'm a public person. People know my kids by association
(46:52):
with me. But I got this. We got this. We
are a family, We talk, we support. You can't possibly
think you can log onto the internet and have a
valid opinion about what my kid is doing, or how
I interact or engaged with my kid, or how I
share about my kids. You know what I'm saying, That's
all I'm saying is when we come to talking about kids,
famous people kids on the internet in our community, we
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tend to vilify kids in a way that we don't
vilify legaco.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Are you saying I'm vilifying kids. You're not saying I'm
vilifying here.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
I'm saying you're having an expectation of wanting something from
somebody's kid that I don't think. We're old. You're saying
you want to hear from Bunnie. You're saying you want
the best. Who doesn't want the breast from Bronnie. But
you have to assume that his dad is in the
line before everyone else who wants the best for Bronnie,
that Lebron and Savannah are first in line, right, and
(47:38):
so whatever they're doing it, however they're handling it. I
think it's odd to then comment something that's different than
what they're doing because you want the best for them,
right Well, first, I just feel like we sit back
and watching me support it from you, pray and keep
it moving.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
First of all, let me clarify I'm not speaking for
Bronnie is somebody who has kids, two kids, whatever, I want,
what was best for my kids. I talk to my
kids every day and hopefully that influences their decisions on
what they want to do. I understand Bronnie talks to
Lebron every day in Savannah and the rest of the family,
anybody else whatnot. I'm not talking to them. I'm talking
about the people who are out here criticizing these kids
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for doing what they enjoy.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Love you want.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
If he could have he could have skipped college, and
if you wanted to go play in the G League,
that's fine, or the Night League. He could have done that.
It's altogether. All I'm saying is, at the end of
the day, I hope. And I'm not saying it's not this.
This is for anybody, just this. We're just focusing on this.
I'm talking about anybody. I won't give a damn if
you have a kid and all of a sudden they say, hey,
I want to be a stand up comedian, or you
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say I want my kid to be a stand up comedian.
I hope your kid wants to be a stand up comedian.
If you're famous, I hope, I hope you or let
me finish or let me finish, or let me.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
You can't assume that me that my kid and I
are good and you don't have to have hopes for
my kid other than.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Just like just like just okay, we can have well wishes.
I don't criticize anybody's doing anything they want to do. Right, No,
I never criticized, So I don't want to be vilified
or mischaracterized on this podcast or anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I'm not saying I'm just well, just in case anybody's
out there listening to what you're saying and asking me
because I question and say I want to hear from.
All I'm saying is one I want to hear from
Brannie is like, I want to know what he wants
to do, and if he wants to play with his dad,
he wants to play overseas in Yugoslavia, if he wants
to play pick up basketball in an alley and in
the gutter, I don't give a damn.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
That's the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I want to know what he wants, and I understand
that part of the decisions of what he wants will
be based on the conversations that he's having with his
parents and other people. I get that that influences, but
at the end of the day, I don't want people
putting pressure on somebody because that's what they want for
the kid.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't care who it is. I don't care if
it's your dad, I don't care, if it's your mom,
I don't care. If it's the fans, I don't care.
If it's me, I don't care if it's social media.
I don't give a damn. I just want what's best
for whatever the kid.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Is and prey.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Like you said, yeah, they we are talking to him,
and I know they want what's best for him as
well because that's their son or whatever. But all I'm
saying is like, hopefully he's making the informed decision he
wants to make so that he can live the life
that he wants to live. Because eventually Lebron might not
be here, you know what I'm saying, So he needs
to go ahead and continue to live his life long
(50:19):
after the fat bottom line.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
I'll make that by stop that. Especially for social media.
Like I said, we had Grammy week, a lot of
talk about jay Z also sell people talking about why
the blue Ivy have on that dress, also sell people
defending Taylor against the whole t versus b conversation. I
just feel like, you know, especially when children are involved,
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whether they're going to work with their parents, whether they
don't have the dance routine, or maybe they aren't the
best you've ever seen, you know, just chill out on
talking about kids. And more than likely you have kids
and just know that you wouldn't want anyone talking about
your kid, whether they were great or bad or whatever.
Just keep in mind, you know, kids are real kids.
They have access to information, and you don't want to
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be a part of anything that would to tear this
kid from being the greatest version of whatever they grow
up to be.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's not that my stop that is, stop taking everything
so personally or thinking because you're in a certain gender
or race or whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That I understand.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
We have certain issues that people touch on and certain
traumas that we got to don't always think that somebody
is coming after you because you're a black person, you're
a a LGBTQ community, or because you're a woman.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Just stop doing that all the time. Now.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It is true sometimes, but somebody can take certain words
and aspects of certain slights and all of a sudden,
it's like, oh, you're only doing that because of this.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
It's not true. Now.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I understand once again the trauma when it comes to
racism and all that type of stuff like that. You
can hear something the white person says and it may
make you triggered to go back to that, but it's
not always the case. I think we got to do
a better job and we're all to come together as
a community or whatever. Sometimes we just need to ask
more questions and ask where the person is coming from.
Instead of just jumping to the conclusion and assuming that
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this person is coming after you or trying to make
somebody go against one another because of their opinion, Let's
get clarification.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
And I think this is the problem.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
That we have sometimes on social media because you only
have one hundred forty seven characters on Twitter, or because
you put a message, you don't know the tone, you
don't know the context, especially when you're on social media
or in an email, you don't know it sometimes, so
sometimes you have to take a step back, not take
it so personally once again and say what did you
mean by that?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Where'd you coming from from that?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I don't understand that before the allegations are thrown out there,
because once again we talked about wearing a cancel culture
or whatever. All it takes is somebody saying something that
they didn't mean in that context or whatever. Somebody responded
to it, and people look at the reaction and then
they fought the person for an action that wasn't intended
to hurt anybody or whatnot. You just sometimes we need
to get clarifications, so please stop that.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Okay, Well, I guess that's this episode of Dane he
Ben there, I thought you're gonna wrap up the show.
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