Katt Williams’ Chronicles, Ryan Garcia's Bad Timing, and Tiger Woods Split with Nike

Mike Hill and Eunice Elliott dive straight into the Katt Williams interview. They circle back to Mike’s interview with Mark Curry and unpack Steve Harvey’s “controversial practice” of joke stealing. Ryan Garcia's making headlines with a baby announcement and a divorce announcement. What's the deal with the timing? Tiger Woods just cut ties with Nike. When's the right moment to bounce from a brand or company?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Up?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
What Up?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We are back another edition of the Done There Ben
That Podcast, Episode number two of twenty twenty four. I
am one of your hosts, Mike Hill, and that is
my co host e andus Elliott.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Uh. Maybe should I say happy New Year? When do
you stop seeing that?

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yes? I say happy New Year through March through March?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Like what if your new year isn't happy anymore? Like
you get in my face in February?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Name it?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
You can claim it. We're claiming it. Yes, Clai, happy
new Year. You're wishing happy new Year. I usually let
I let it ride through Black History Month?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, through Black History Month?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Okay, well okay, Well hopefully everybody's having a happy new
year out there. Thank you for joining us on the
podcast and Done There Have Been That podcast. We appreciate
all the feedback, all the support, all the love, and
the units is getting it.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm getting it and people are talking about it. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
So this want to keep this going on where we
make sports relatable for everybody. We don't just talking about
the ex'es and o's.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
We make it relatable, talk about the xes and o's,
talk about here.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, you say the x's and o's, I say the
ex's and sometimes the you know, the hose. But that's okay,
Well we'll get away with you. Don't I can mean
that for men and women, because men and women are both.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Ohs right?

Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, nope, what what I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You're saying that. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Men and women aren't both hose. Well, let's let's stay focused.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let's stay okay, let's stay fun. Let's stay focused right now. Hey,
twenty twenty four already off with a bang. We had
the National Championship game. We don't care about that because Alabama?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Do you care about that?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Michigan one?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Shout out to hell Blue and all that type of
stuff like that that's going on there. What you know what,
we were both in the comedy game. You've been in
the comedy game much longer than I have. We actually
did a show together last Thursday. Was pretty cool, packed
house out there. I think I got a cold I'm
still suffering from right now. But that was the same
night that the big news came out about Kat Williams

(02:12):
where he aired out every black comedian there is except
Schuckey Ducky. I mean, he came, but everybody I'm talking
about Steve Harvey.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
He came for, not Bruce, Bruce. He came for Steve Harvey.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Came and said to the entertainer Ricky Smiley, Kevin Hart,
you name it.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
He talked about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Obviously he didn't come for us because we're nobody's in
the comedy game right now. But at the same time,
it was something that was everybody's still talking about, Everybody
still thinking about this interview. The interview was going to
be by the time we put this out, maybe a
week and a half old, but people are still talking about.
Now he's got a tour coming up that was really
good marketing and a lot of people saying maybe he

(02:53):
just wanted to get that Notoriozi for the tour, which okay,
which is great. He is a mens he's a genius
when it comes to that. And now the new that
just came out that really got me. I believe that
Kat Williams has become the Tupac of comedy because he
has announced in his Kevin Hart's ex wife just announced
that Tory Hart is going to be opening for him

(03:16):
on this comedy tour, which made me think about the
song hit him up, that this song one of the
greatest hit songs, songs of all time, rap songs of
this songs of all time coming out, And the first
words of that was, that's why I your wife, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I don't think he's doing that obviously, but I think
the fact that he's got Tory Hart opening up for
him on this tour, that's a little bit of a
jab and not saying Toy is good. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Tory deserves her opportunities that I'm happy that she's getting
her opportunity, but you gotta believe that's a little bit
of a market employee as well.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Well, well, you know what, it might just be a
timing situation. Kat generally does travel with women openers, so
I think it might. It could just be just so
happy and that the timing of the release of the
interview and everybody talking about it and the timing of
when these dates came up. I mean, it could be
by design, but you know, he generally does travel with
a female comment.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, well that's true. Well, shout out to Kat and
Tory Hart overall, what.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Did you think of the interview? Like, is Kat people
wondering how much is true? How much isn't. Now there's
this big debate about who still jokes and who doesn't,
and he's exposed and it seems like Cat has become
that uncle. You know, everybody's got uncles, right, and you
got uncles that you love and some of them that
you your mom, like he's been to jail before and

(04:35):
all that type of stuff like that has got some issues.
But you know how the uncles start arguing with one another,
and now the other uncles who have done well for themselves,
all of them have done well for themselves. They look
at that one uncle who always throws shit up, and
I think Kat is that uncle that's throwing shit up.
And it's a big fight amongst the family right now,
meaning the black culture in the comedy world, whether whose

(04:56):
side of you on? Is Cat telling the truth? And
now the people who believe Cat are coming from Steve
Harvey Hart and coming from such to entertain a heart
that pulling them old interviews will get to one that
I did with Mark Curry in a few minutes right here.
But now people are taking sides, and I'm wondering what
you feel like that's doing for the comedy commute.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know, personally, I think as much ado about nothing.
I mean, most of the stories that Kat Williams was
talking about or at least a decade, if not two
decades old. And also you have to remember that everyone
has their own perspective, right, So I think specifically, let's
say the case of Ricky Smiley saying he was up
for the role of money Might, that might be Ricky

(05:36):
Smiley's actual experience of it, because the auditioned for the role.
But as we know, just because you auditioned for a
role doesn't necessarily mean you were up for the role,
you know, And that's semantics, right, And so it might
be a matter of okay, yeah, you know, I saw
ice Cube came out and said, yeah, Ricky did read
for the part, but we felt he would be better
in this other part, and Kat was better for money Might.

(05:58):
So two things can be true, right, It's just about
the perception as far as what Kat actually was talking about.
I think I'm all for the truth, right. If it's
the truth, it's the truth, but I also think there's
a reason why you do share some truths and why
you don't share other truths. To me, watching the entire interview,
it felt like, you know, I stayed too long at

(06:18):
the party.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's like when people start more people start leaving the room,
different parts of people's personalities start coming out. So, I mean,
obviously it was riveting to watch Kat's experience of what
he feels happened in comedy and being able to have
points of reference that we all can then say, huh,
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
You know, I don't I don't get all the hubbub
about it because I think that's what people do on
podcasts now right, you know. I think people like to
tell that, hey, I was in the room twenty five
years ago when this conversation happened, or I know what
this person said who's dearly departed, or I know how
the origin story for this. So I didn't get why
it was such a big deal. I really didn't. Well, first,

(06:57):
that actually has something to do with that as well,
but it's one of those things where it was I'm
all for conversation, I'll go further in to stop that.
I'm not sure where everybody felt like they needed to
add to the conversation.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, here's the thing, and that's a good point, units
because I put a tweet out after it came out.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
One thing that twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Four has already taught us is what we already know
that we love us to mess a controversy.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
We do. That's why we buy into it.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
We buy into people tearing each other down in the sense,
and I'm not just talking about black people.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm talking about all of us.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
We like drama, we like intrigue, even being on these
reality shows. If it ain't drama, then it's boring, you
know what I mean. So Kat coming out here and
telling his truth to his side of the truth is
one thing. Now, what I will say is like we
do want the truth. We feel like, hey, it's great
when somebody speaks their truth and being transparent. But at
the same time, at what expense is that? And how

(07:51):
much is your truth really reality? You know, like you said,
he could be telling eighty percent of the truth, but
that twenty percent of the non reality could be affecting
somebody else, you know, especially when it comes to joke stealing,
which is a heinous crime.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
And yes, about joke stealing. Let me say it's about
joke stealing, because there's so many long standing beefs about
joke stealing, and I think as a comedian in myself
and as a comedy writer, I think one of the
ways to avoid that, and again this is wishful thinking
on my part, but one of the ways to avoid
that is to not just go for everybody's shared experience.

(08:26):
You know, I think sometimes when comedians go for joke
a we all saw the same thing, we all would
tell that same joke, or we've all been as a
single woman dating, I could potentially tell the exact same
joke that every other single woman dating could tell, because
we're having a very shared experience, right, And so then
I will consciously try to talk about the guy that

(08:46):
I was texting at three point thirty five yesterday because
that will be a more unique experience to try to
build my material off of. So it's you know, it's
it's been beef between comedians over marching band jokes. It's
been beef o with comedians over pop blocking jokes. You know,
it's a shared experience. So yeah, more than likely people
would have similar premises. If you don't dig deeper for

(09:08):
something it could be a little bit more nuanced and personal. Yeah,
I think it's hard to really say someone stole a
joke from someone outside of it outright being like, wow,
I just told this joke. This person just saw the
joke and they told it tomorrow. And is there anything
new under the sun.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
No, not really, especially when it comes to the culture. Now.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
One of the things I was talking about is an
interview I did with Mark Curry some years ago when
I was on Fox Soul Resurface because of the Cat
Williams interview where he actually mentioned Mark Curry and Steve
Harvey had and stolen one of his jokes.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Here's an interview in question.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
So what's that with your Steve Man't, Well, Steve stole
my material on his show. So I had a beef
on that on what show when he was on his
the Bullshit talk show he had and he did he
did all my Halloween material. One Halloween I'm watching, somebody
called me and said, man, home, weren't doing your material.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
So he did my whole Halloween run and I know
he didn't think of it. And this this is the
true stuff that really happened to me. And so my
thing is, you don't have to do that, homeboy. So
you know he made enough money. You know, you made
enough money, You did enough. You know what, why are
you on my material?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Right?

Speaker 4 (10:19):
You know what's that about?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
You know? And then you know.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
People want to jump up out he didn't know. He
didn't steal your so yes he did.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
So Mark obviously was a little upset. He would never
tell me exactly what Steve said to him and what
he said to Steve or whatever. When I see Steve,
maybe he'll say it, maybe he won't. But here's the
thing about the whole joke, still in premise theing. Like
you mentioned, a lot of jokes are the same because
we are in the culture, and I think the best
jokes tellers are the ones that can relate to the audience.

(10:46):
In our culture, we have so many similarities of our things.
So if there's a premise about I talk about my divorce,
I talked about you know, my upbringing, I talk about
my mom, I talk about certain things like that. In
our culture, we all have similar experiences. So if the
premise of the joke is the same as one thing,
but if it's word for word and you're basically stealing
everything like in this the Steve Harvey joke, I gotta say,

(11:09):
and I don't know. Sometimes Steve may have had a
writer that heard it somewhere and he said it, you know,
and it brought it in. That happens in the business
as well. It says you to entertainer joke where he
basically took one of the jokes or whatever, and then
he made it a spaceship. It's a little too similar.
It's almost like sampling, right, you know. I remember who
was at what's the singer's name, the white guy good

(11:34):
not good, Robin Thick, Remember Robin Thick, the thin line.
If it's proven to be too close for comfort, then
of course you can get sued. I think it's the
same thing in comedy, if it's too close and in
the actual premise to set up and the actual words
you're saying, Like the Steve Harvey joke. If you listen
to Mark Curry's original joke, it sounds exactly like Mark

(11:58):
Curry's when he came to Steve Harvey.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
So so I think that is an infraction.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
And I think when that happens sometimes I think it's
imparison for the comedian and say hey man, Maybe I
didn't write that joke because you do have joke tellers, right,
and also just go hey man, bruh, my bad. It
was too close for comfort. Maybe subconsciously I did not
know that that was your joke. Maybe I thought, you know,
because you can go to a comedy club one night,
hear a joke, go to sleep the next night two

(12:25):
weeks later and think, oh man, I got this great
idea for a joke.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
And that's what a lot of comedians on time, right, yep, right.
It happens all the time that you get inspired by something,
you hear something. Sometimes you don't remember, like, wait, was
that a conversation I was having with somebody? Did I
see that on TV? Did I hear somebody tell it?
So as a comedian you have to be kind of
hyper vigilant of where are you sourcing your material. As
a host, I like hosting comedy. What I will do

(12:49):
a lot of times is I will watch every act
and then I usually can reference something that that person
said because I probably have a similar premise or joke.
So it might be you come up saying and I said,
you know, Mike was talking about X y Z. That
reminds me of the time that you know, because there
was a similarity, there was a premise, and so it's
a way that it might just be, hey, this is
a moment that I can tie into what's happening. And again,

(13:13):
it's a fine line between inspiration and stealing. I think
back in the day it was easier to steal material
because we didn't have cameras and receipts for everything. As
a comedian of myself, I don't upload material that's not
specific to me, because, yeah, anybody in the world could
see your material and be performing your whole set in

(13:34):
New York from bigger dollars and bigger labs, and if
they have a bigger name, no one's gonna think they
stole the joke from from the one you've never heard of.
And so that's another reason why a lot of comedians
don't want you to film their material. They want you
to upload material because it is such an intellectual property
that it's hard to put your stamp on it, especially
if it's you know, public domain and in a general consensus,

(13:57):
as you say, cultural experience. Particularly, but you also have
documentation of comedians who were just known jokestealers. Yeah, some
of our heroes, some of our heroes. Robin Williams was
accused of quite a bit, you know, And it's one
of those things that I think Carlos MINSI. I had
to struggle with those accusations. Once you get the label,
it's kind of like this scarlet letter. You don't want

(14:19):
to tag as a jokestealer for sure. But like I
watched Chelsea Handler's last special, her material was so similar
to the material that I do that I consciously stopped
doing the material. But she's also talking about being a
certain age, which I am. She's talking about being single,
which I am. She's talking about dating, So we're having
a shared lived experience. But guess who's gonna look like

(14:40):
they're biting off a Chelsea Handler me?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
So you have to manage yourself accordingly.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, and it depends on the platform. Somebody can do
it first, So somebody could be out there. You could
have done it right in a smaller venue. Somebody could
have heard it. Maybe somebody's writing for Chelsea like it
isn't rap, you know. Jay Z's been accused of bititen
lyrics or whatever lines whatever I think he said. I
wish I was on here right now. You made it
a fresh line. I made it something like he did
something when he was talking about nads whatnot. But so

(15:06):
it happens to the best of us out there because
once again we shared those same experiences in those same coaches.
I can remember even as a sportscaster. You made it
there it is. You made it a hot line. I
made it a hot song. Thanks a lot, Chris, I
appreciate that. But that's what jay Z was accused of.
So all of our greatest rappers out there even similarities.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I remember the rapper.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Shine came out and he sounded a lot like Biggie
from his tone, his inflection or whatever. Not necessarily his rhymes,
but because they said that's biting or he sounded too
similar to somebody. Look, we are not a monolift, but
at the same time, we could be the same. When
I was coming up in the business, I remember I
got accused of trying to be like Stuart Scott so much.
And I'm gonna tell you right now when I was

(15:44):
at esp when I first got the ESPN, it actually
hurt me, and that's one of the reasons I didn't
want to go to ESPN. What people don't realize and
this is not me speaking negative on anybody right now,
but I have to share this people. People don't know
my background and know where I came from. You know
why my background, where I came from. I tried to
sound who I like I am. I know, I don't

(16:04):
sound like a white sportscasterer and all enunciating and it.
I came from best Ma, Alabama, via New York, the
Bronx New York or whatever. So I had to teach
myself how to speak all over again. And I realized
that in order for me to be successful in this business,
what I had to do is be my true authentic self,
and that is being who I am as far as
my coach is concerned sounding like And I told you

(16:25):
mentioned last week there was a guy who said that
you want to be a sportscast, you want to be
a black sports caster. W weell, I have a black voice.
So when I got the ESPN. Before I got the ESPN,
I was in Dallas, I was in Nashville, I was
in other places. I was in Haglsoun, Maryland before Stewart
got even came on the air. And if you look
at my resume and you look at my early sports cast.

(16:47):
This is who I've always been. Long before I saw
Stewart Scott on television on ESPN too or whatever. I
was this person coming up right, but Stuart because he
was on ESPN on Sports Center, doing it on a
bigger platform or whatever and making it super popular me
coming up even though I was being said, hey, he's
the next guy that's on Sports Center. People once I

(17:10):
started getting a bigger name for myself, even people who
work with me, he said, well, you're trying to be
like this guy. And that was furthest from the truth.
And once again not to speak negatively on anybody, be
Stewart is a great sportscast and he paid the way
for a lot of people. If you know the backgrounds
of who I am and who Stuart was on and
off air, you would say, well, Mike is being true

(17:32):
to his authentic self, while Stuart, while knowing the culture,
is more of okay, he's playing more of a role.
And once again, I know somebody's gonna take that all
out of context and feel like I'm hating on this guy,
and I hating that at all. All I'm saying is
like me being my true authentic self hurt me more
so because there was a guy in Stuart Scott who
in a similar in a way, played the role of

(17:55):
who he was whatever, even though he was black. Don't
get me wrong, he played a role on television. I
was being my authentic self, but I got accused of
trying to be like him. And that has always been
something back in the day that I had to get
pass even when I was at ESPN, because I told
you the story about when I was there and they said, Hey,
the reason that you're not moving up is because you're

(18:16):
too whatever, too black, and we already have one of those.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
So it's so foch and.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I think that's indicative of again, race in this country.
I actually was at ESPN working with Stuart Scott, and
it was one of those things where you know when
you're the first or one of the first that's put
on a higher platform like stew was then, Yet every
black sportscaster in America was told they were trying to

(18:43):
be like the one they had seen. But that's the
same difference of Sloan Stevens or Coco Goff. They always
have to hear comparisons to the Williams sisters, just because
they're black playing tennis, and that's what's unfortunate. It's like,
you know what, compared me to the greatest sports casters
in the world. Compare me to the greatest tennis the world. Now,
if they happen to be a black person, that's great.
But I think that is the issue with race in

(19:06):
this country that I always have to hear I'm like
one to sikes, I'm really not at all, but I'm
a black girl with curly hair, you know, And so
you always have to hear comparisons. I don't take offense
to them because I know people just don't know what
else to do when they haven't seen a lot of something.
And I think anytime it's a black person, you know,

(19:26):
every black talk show host, they compare her to Oprah,
you know, every black you know. And so it's like
when somebody makes it, that then becomes the standard for
black people versus Hey, just because you guys have gatekeep
gate keeping, you know, opportunities for so many black people.
Just because another black person does, it doesn't mean they're

(19:46):
trying to be like the one you've heard of. It
just means they're another black person in this space. And
I think we don't allow people to be their own entity.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
You're so right and in so many ways, I want
to I want to clarify something really quick so I
can unders staying not understand, but I get it when
white people feel because they don't they don't get it.
So what hurt me more outside of white people saying
what they had to say the executives or whatever, was
when a black person would say it was when a
black person would say that I was trying to bite.

(20:15):
I remember I got pulled over. This is when I
when I remember being an N A. B J in Vegas,
and I remember Steven A. Smith and Jammel Hill and
these are my people, love him to death, and I'm
just gonna call it out like it is.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I wrote it started. Some people that's telling you.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is what I'm saying is like, this is let.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Me put it on mute.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
They so they pulled me to the side and they said, bruh,
you know, stopped trying to be like Stu something in
those words.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know you know you doing this.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
And I'm like, y'all obviously have no idea who I
am or what my background is. And they basically said that,
so that hurt me. And I told you mel this
a while back.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I told her this. I don't know if I ever
said to stephen A.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So it's not like I'm saying something for the first
time and they're gonna hear it for the first time.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
And you know, she said, you know what.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I think even Jamail even apologize for that years later,
because you put yourself in a bad situation when it's
your own people. This is the reason why I look
at Jason Whitlock. If you start to co sign with
the white folks are saying, then all of a sudden,
the white folks feel like they have license to save
some of that it's out there, you know when it
comes to a guy like Jason Whitlock. Jason Whitlock will

(21:24):
say things that a Trump supporter or MAGA supporter would
say somebody's want to roll back the clock, and they
know if they said it it sounds racist, which they
probably are, but because they don't want to be labeled something,
they'll point to a guy like Jason Whitlock's a Whitlock
or a Canni's Orange and say, well, I'm not racist
because the black person is saying it over here, or

(21:45):
the Sage still is saying it over here.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So what I'm saying is sometimes when we look at
our people.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
And we're growing. If somebody's biting biting, that's one thing.
But if somebody has a similar style, because we have
similar coaches and we have similar backgrounds, in a sense,
get to know this person because there is something that
might be unique about him, you know what I'm saying.
So that's all I'm saying, because what you do is
if you got the black person saying this, which happened
to me in Dallas too, there was a guy that

(22:10):
was there, a photographer that would say some things like
that that did the same thing that gave this white
man the license to treat me unfairly in a sense,
just me being myself. So I understand where it comes
to what the white people said. It's one thing, but
we as a black culture or black people should know
better than to rip each other down and understand that, Hey,

(22:31):
you know what, but that.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Sounds like, well, whether it's misogyny, patriarchy, racism, that's why
it's so dangerous because it affects and it's insidious, and
so it affects everybody's mindset. You know how many times
have you said an extra prayer when you saw the
black pilot fly the plane. Lord, look, this man fly
his plane and landed, but he had to be eight
times better than the white pilot that you didn't say

(22:54):
an extra prayer for. I mean, we all have been
guilty of hating against our own best interests based on
what we have been told. No, it's not right at all,
but I'm saying that's why these systems are so dangerous. Yeah,
it needs to stop. But I'm saying realistically, black people
learn what they learn from the same places where white
people learn what they learn. And so I'm saying all

(23:15):
messed up. So yeah, the dream and hope would be, Hey,
I hope because you were black, you would understand. But
they get their information from the same media that the
white people getting their information from, and it'ssidious. It's ingrained
in everybody. You know, people look at women, women look
at women in a certain way that is probably misogynistic
because that's what it's been ingrained. That's the information. And

(23:38):
you might think and feel that you feel differently, but
at the end of the day, you're perpetuating it because
that's what's been ingrained in you and That's how racism, patriarchy, misogyny,
all of it works, is we all become guilty on
different levels, and sometimes it's against our own community, you know.
So you know we're gonna have to roll back the
clock about a thousand years to work on that one.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, well we can. We can.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
We can stop the clock from progressing even further when
it comes to that mindset and move forward with a
different mentality. So in order to uh bring about this
change when it comes to misogyny, when it comes to racism,
when it comes to our destroying on community in the sense,
we can stop it right now, just because we were
taught that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Hell, we were taught when we was a kid.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
If if you were bad when I was a Bam bookie,
that switch, your mama will beat your ass.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
You see a woman listen, I got whippings as a kid.
I think I turned out Okay, I think let me
turn turn my I think I think sometimes kids need
to be beat.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Well I probably wouldn't say beat, I probably would say discipline.
But you're right, okay, bank, Yes, speaking of that, Roy
Garcia has made a lot of people as a as
a I'm sorry the opinions of units Eliot did that.
Mike Hill would have done there been that podcast. Okay,

(25:07):
all right, yeah, Younis.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Well I'm glad no controversial thing.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Well, if you're if, I hope nobody. I hope you're
never trying to adopt the kid you.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Don't have that. You don't have to hear about that
at all.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Hope, Belle.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well, you know what's crazy is you can say what
you want to about the kids, you just can't say
nothing about it. An I can't say that you say
that about a dog you canceled tomorrow. Ryan Garcia is
meeting a lot of people. Everybody except Taint Davis in
the box arene, but he took a pounding recently. He's
a boxer, pretty good bosser WoT who announced that his

(25:43):
wife obviously had their second child.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
On the same day on Instagram that he announced.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
The birth of his healthy baby, and he's a celebraty
baby celebration.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Everybody's wow, thank you mom and dad are doing great babies, wonderful,
m gorgeous baby there. And then an hour later he
announced that he and his wife and getting a divorce,
and people were dragging him for it because of the time. Yep,
obviously there's something going on. I just wonder what you
think about that, Like, Hey, I'm happy, Hey my wife

(26:14):
had this beautiful baby, and then an hour later, Hey,
we announced that, Hey, we ain't gonna be together no more,
but we're gonna take care of the children.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
To me, I feel like the timing of him making
that announcement is was to circumvent something that someone probably
knew about him. I think the second that he announced
that he had a new baby with his wife, the girlfriend,
the sagic somebody was like, well, wait a minute, if
that just happened, you know, And I think he and
his wife probably have already discussed obviously outside of us,

(26:43):
we don't know. I think the timing of his announcement
was to circumvent something that was gonna come out about
him and someone else after he announced he had a
baby with his wife.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That's an entirely different twist than I had.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yeah, because if you notice, if you notice when people
do that, it's usually when people make these announcements. A
lot of times it's because something else has already been discovered,
and so it's like, hey, we got to get in
front of this and if you saw me with somebody else,
me and my wife have actually been separated or you know,
so you think you're seeing us doing something that we
already knowing the thing we just ain't told y'all. So

(27:18):
I think they possibly they they're dead of separation. He
had as like New Year's eve or like Christmas time
last year. That's what I think. The timing of it
was from a from a former publicist for athletes.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Okay, wow, I said.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Someone has documentation of him doing something else that don't
match him just having a baby with his wife.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh you sound like you've done a lot of damage control.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
God damn, I did it. It was a good one.
I was a good one.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's a crazy twist. Now. I was thinking that maybe
if it was an hour or later.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know how, sometimes the baby starts to take form
and shape and you can actually start seeing some of
the features a little bit better. Because when all the
babies worst come out, the babies all look the same,
you know, they they all look cute, but ugly, you
know what I mean, All people ugly when they first
come out, and they got crap all over them.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
If you've ever seen a birth in person.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
So when you come out, clean them up, Mom and dad,
bring them back to the room, put the little bracelet
on him and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Colon and he just took one, looking like that. Baby
ain't got my eyes. Baby ain't got my ears.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
But his statement says he looks forward to co parenting
both of their children together, including the baby that was
just born. So his statement did not allude to him
not believing he is the father of this new baby.
A statement said they were going to be co parents
of these children they have had together.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Mm okay, so I mean that was.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Not clearly stated. Then yes, I would think, well, is
there a question about opportnity? But I feel like he
took the question of fraternity out with his statement.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Well, well, maybe both the truth maybe maybe maybe maybe
maybe he was doing something and maybe she was doing something.
Maybe she did something and then produced the baby and
he said, okay, well she said you want out, then
I'm not going to expose this other thing that I
know about you.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I'm just saying, so since we're throwing all this, let's.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Try to throw a woman under the bus. I have
a question for you. This is a podcast. No, I
didn't get him under the bus. I said as a
formal publicist, when I saw that what I thought probably existed.
And I can cite lots of examples where couples, let's
say Meryl Street and her husband, they've been separated for
years and they just made the announcement last year because

(29:37):
more than likely one or if not both have probably
been seen in other situations that people we only know
them married, same thing. But because sometimes because people have
their own private family structure and arrangements, when someone else
sees or observes something, it's like, oh, we need to
get out and put out a statement that Like when

(29:57):
Emon and Tiana first separated, it was very amicable and
it was like, hey guys, this he ain't running game.
We actually separated. So what I'm saying, a lot of
times when people come out with these statements, it's because
someone else has some other information that they're either hanging
over them or that they know, Hey, somebody saw us
out here. We need to say we're not married anymore.

(30:18):
That's like throwing him under the bus. That's saying that's
what happens when people put out statements, especially when it's
odd timing. That is not putting anybody under the bus.
Now you talk about this. Ain't even this man baby.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
No no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
And it's kid in his state.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Down slow down, slow down, slow. Now.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Let's just make it very clear that both of us
are just throwing out what we think could have happened.
Nobody knows for sure, so nobody wants to get sued
or whatever. We don't know if Ryan Garcia has a
mistress out there that nobody's talking about that wanted to
expose him.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
I don't know if this is Ryan Garcia's baby or not.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
All I'm saying is if that was your theory of
what could have happened, I'm saying, this is my theory
of also what could have happened. We've been in these situations.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Actual would you come up with that theory? If he
has acknowledged paternity in his statement, why would you.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Come up with the theory that he was cheating with somebody?

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I did not. I didn't say he was cheating. I
said somebody. You made it like I was talking about him.
I said, the timing of it makes it seem like
there is some information about somebody being with someone else
that could be heard that could be him. I did
not say him. I said that thing of what he
said gives the impression that someone has some information that

(31:28):
they may not be the couple that was presented an
hour before when we acknowledge we just had a help over.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Did he take it down? Why did he take it down?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
You would have to ask him.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well, I'm just saying, why did he deleat it? He
deleted it, right, So I'm saying if it would have because.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
The timing was seemed to be in poor taste for
the audience. Again it was we will not We don't
know why and what. But heat took the heat for
a dang. You couldn't have waited till next week or
the next day. He took heat for sharing that statement.
But I'm saying, when someone shares a statement and the
timing seems very sus like, what is this, it generally

(32:04):
means they are trying to get in front of something else.
Whoever it is that side works.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Usually that comes from the PR team, right, it came
from him in his personal Instagram account.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
But publicists write this statements a lot of times for
their clients to post on their pages.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know that, and as.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
A publicist, as a publicist, which you have told him,
you knowing about the timing of him just announcing that
they're so.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
First of all, if you know.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
You have advice against it. But again, but again, if
someone posts that they just welcome a healthy baby into
the world, and there is active information that would go
against this idea that we just had a happy, healthy
moment as a family, that's that's when people hit the
panic button. That's called crisis management. And because social media

(32:54):
and everybody is the media now because anybody can take
a picture or have a video. You know, it's a
lot different from when I did it ten fifteen years ago.
You used to have to wait on a news cycle.
You used to put out a media advisory and release.
Now it's just pressing sind on an Instagram post. So
what I'm saying is I believe he potentially took it
down because the pushback he got for the timing seemed

(33:14):
kind of insensitive, regardless of what they're going through personally.
I think that is the only thing I would assume
is the timing of it was to get in front
of something else.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I agree that the reason why he took it down
was because of the pushback.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It wasn't for time and to say.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
What he said to make that announcement in an hour
after announcing such a precious moment.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
However, I don't think that it had anything to do.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
At all with Ryan Garcia possibly stepping out or anybody
else stepping out in the relationship, because had that happened,
had that happen, I think the person knew if somebody
was threatening to put something out about them.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Wasn't she pregnant for nine months?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Didn't they know they was about to deliver have a baby,
a happy, healthy baby.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
But I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
You've heard of someone having a baby without everybody that
knows them knowing that.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, I mean, I know Hallie Bailey just did. Indeed,
you're just.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Seeing people tell you what they want you to know.
I've heard plenty of people who have been in relationships
with people and a baby appears because they didn't know
somebody was pregnant. They didn't know it was their baby.
They've been told something about, oh this ain't that. So
I think that's one of the most common lies a
person can tell that ain't my baby. I don't know

(34:31):
who this woman is. I mean, that happens all the time.
That's why you do have fraternity case. That's why you
do have child support system set up? Because everybody don't
play babies.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I'm going back to it.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Then, why would Ryan Garcia set himself up then by
posting the announcement period? Why would you do that if
he thinks that somebody's out to get him? I mean,
I'm trying to understand this.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Help me understand, Okay, okay, Well will you at like that? Okay,
I don't understand your confusion. I'll give you a very
basic general example. If there is a man or a woman,
and again, I know you always like to push back
with the opposite. So any person, man or woman, who
is in a relationship that is cheating, man or woman,

(35:14):
more than likely they are sharing publicly moments of their
relationship even though they are not being faithful. That happens
every single day of every single week, of every single
hour of life.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So so let me hit you.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Would you disagree with that? Would you disagree with that?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I think we all rays go back to the It's
so easy, and I think it's so simple to basically
say that there must have been somebody, not even mean since.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Second anyone was cheating. But you're saying, why would he
share that he had a baby if there was somebody
else out there, and I'm saying to you, are you
saying to me that every single day in America, in
the entire world, that people are not sharing moments from
their relationship, although one or both could potentially be in
relationships with other people as well. That's what I'm asking.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
I think sometimes like if you're a private individual, that's
easy to get away with. But Brian gar I would
have to look back and I don't know much about it.
I shouldn't be really talking about this in the sane Christmas.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Let's go back to this past Christmas. There's a lot
of people that posted the pajama pictures in front of
the Christmas tree with the wife and son and the
kids and the husband and everybody. And we know that
a lot of those people are not in a faithful relationship,
but they posted their their Christmas pajama pictures. Would you
agree with that?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I see that all the time. I see a lot
of people.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Do you know what I'm saying? So, why is Ryan Garcia
now this bashion of faithfulness? And he wouldn't post a
picture of a new baby that he just had if
he was cheating. And I didn't say it was cheating.
But I'm saying that happens all the time every day.
People share moments from their lives and their relationships. That
doesn't mean because they're faithful.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Here's another reason it could have happened.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, some people are just kind of private when it
comes to certain things whatnot.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
So this is done. There been back but done, there
have been that podcast.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
So when we talk about these topics, we talk about,
like you said, from a PR perspective, you had to
do that for some of your clients.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Possibly, right, I lived this real life. I lived this
real life. Right.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So my first child was born. I was going through
a separation with my first wife when she when we
found out she was pregnant. Right, had one last moment,
hot moment was good, blah blah blah, no regrets now,
beautiful baby girl from it whatever. But the entire pregnancy,
we're going through a divorce and not the work. No

(37:33):
one really knows about it. You know, only people knew
about it was my boss at work only because just.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
In case he got out and all that type of
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But she was born and we were in the midst
of getting a divorce that wasn't announced and I wasn't
a big name or popular star or whatever, and I
don't know if I would have come out and said
something about the separation or the divorce while she was
going through the pregnancy, because she's going through this pregnancy
at this time. Once again, what we don't know with

(38:02):
Ryan Garcia and his wife is when they decided that
they were going to get a separation when it was bad.
I don't know, something like Christmas they said something about
that or whatever, but we don't know what they did
in advance. And also from a pr perspective, as a
celebrity or a boxer or a public figure or whatever,
there are things that once again, the publicists get involved
to make sure that the right narrative is put out

(38:24):
there so that he doesn't suffer from a public perception
type of persona. Now he's a boxer and sometimes bosser
gets away with a couple of things. I don't know
what kind of endorsements he has, whatever, but it is
out there. So it is possible that they were having
these issues even obviously while she was pregnant, and it
had nothing to do with unfaithfulness. It had nothing to

(38:44):
do with she cheating and thinking it's not his baby
or whatever. It had nothing to do. It could just
be that they were having these issues and the divorce
was coming right. I don't know why he put it
out an hour later, which I thought was crazy or whatever.
He should have just wrote written with it or whatever.
I don't know when it is the right time after
you just had a baby to say that y'all get
a divorce. So maybe he didn't want to announce that

(39:05):
they were going to get a divorce or have been
separated before she was pregnant, because she's pregnant and you
got to care about her well being.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Obviously she's going through all this personal stuff that the
world doesn't know about. She's probably still worried because she's
trying to hold onto a marriage or maybe the marriages,
you know, reconcilable differences that they put out there, which
would have affected the pregnancy in the sense. But maybe
he was doing all this and maybe he just had
this notion to say, Hey, you know what, I'm going
to tell the world right now that even though we
have this beautiful baby that just came into the world,

(39:34):
we're no longer going to be together. So that's my
perspective on what could have happened. We don't know. All
I'm saying is I wish Ryan Garcia well, I wish
his wife well, and I definitely wish those babies well
because they are sometimes the people that get caught up
in all this madness right here. And I can say
that from myself when it comes to my firstborn child

(39:55):
as well, Because.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
When did it come out that you were getting divorced
after your tradition? How long after your baby was born?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I mean, we got a divorce. I remember, this is
this is crazy. We got a divorce, and I remember
my baby being in the courtroom. So we we were
in separate, we were separated, we were legally separated whatever,
and then we got a divorce. It was maybe about
four or five months after my.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Baby my father that it became public that.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Everybody that we put it out there. I mean like
people kind of knew.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Like I said, my boss at work knew, my friend
that I was actually living with he knew, or whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Some family members knew. But it wasn't like it was
out there where the world knew about it.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And like I said, I was a local sportscaster, so
it wasn't like we had to put out this brand
announcement like Ryan Garcia has to anyway, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
So, but just in case the.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Regularly, Yeah, it happens a lot that people break up
and have babies or is born.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
And by the way, even though I had done something
and had nothing to do with in fidelity, so just
for that, let you know, and nothing to do was
just reconcilable different.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
We had gotten to a point in our.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Marriage where we felt like it was irretrievable, irretrievably broken,
so we had.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
To move on.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah, but I'm saying that happens. I remember when Charlie
Sheen is a little second kid with Denise Richards, she
was pregnant when she filed for divorce. I mean, it
happens regularly. If I had the time to see her.
In research famous people who got divorced shortly after babies
were born or I mean, the timing of a divorce
is never perfect, right, and sometimes yeah, there's children involved,

(41:35):
or you might still be pregnant or you know. I'm
just saying for this particular story, the timing seems like
they wanted to get in front of another potential story
that will come out and we'll just wait and see,
we'll discuss it when it does come.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Out, Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Speaking of the divorce, Tiger Woods obviously went through her
very very public divorce. Everybody knows about that and how
it affected him in his career. Now he after twenty
seven years of a marriage with Nike, divorcing them as well.
Nike and Tiger announced that they are parting ways after
twenty seven years.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
We just get so used to.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Seeing him in a Tiger hat and the Nike hat,
the swoosh, the red shirt, the black pants on on
a Sunday when he's got the lead or whatever. He
used to have the Nike golf clubs before they start
making the equipment and everything like that. So it'll be
interesting to see what brand he's with. But I know
for the fact that once you get branded with something,

(42:30):
it's almost singed.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Into the brains of other people.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Like I've been away from ESPN units for ten years
and I to this day, I can look on my
Twitter right now, I love watching you on ESPN. I
saw you on ESPN and what you said on ESPN
something like I ain't been on ESPN, but they just
I am always going to be attached with ESPN.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
No matter what, because that brand is so big.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Yeah, I mean, listen, Nike got their money's worth out
of Tiger Woods. The amount of red golf shirts they
sold throughout Tiger's career was worth the price of admission.
And whoever he signs with moving forward, I would be
curious if it's going to be a red golf shirt,
you know, is he going to leave the red? You know,
because that was synonymous with Tiger, that color, that cut

(43:18):
even the fact that you know, when Tiger came out,
he was one of the first golfers many cents, but
who came in with a different type physique, like he
was physically strong. He actually looking pretty jacked right now too.
And so then golfers started taking notes to who was
winning and how they were potentially going about it. I
feel like the same thing with all of the other brands.

(43:39):
Nike led the way in that in that field of
branding athletes, and you thinking of an athlete, you cannot
think of Nike without thinking of certing certain athletes, right
and so, but you also have so many more brands
now that are in the game. Nike stopped making golf
clubs a while ago, years ago, and so yeah, so
they obviously as a business, have seen that Okay, this

(44:02):
is not as profitable as it used to be. That's
probably around the same time that Tiger was on the
decline as far as golf, So I think it makes
sense that they would part ways. But it also is like, Okay,
do we try to create an entirely new image for
Tiger or are we just going to notice a different
logo on the red golf shirt after twenty seven years.

(44:26):
I don't know. I mean, it could be fun to
see a rebranding, but also is it worth it because
people are still going to be wearing red golf shirts
and saying I'm getting my tag a tag Attack of
wood Zone. That's just what it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
The reason I got into golf, and I was telling
them on one of our producers that are on golf
that often, but I do golf and I got all
Nike equipment.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I used to be a.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Rebok, I used to be an Indidas guy. Wear some
Nike in there. Now I'm dedicated. If you see me
in any kind of athletic apparel, it's Nike, and.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Who and why was Nike? Why was Nike your standard?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Well?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I'm gonna tell you because it wasn't Michael Jordan, wasn't
anybody like that, even though because I couldn't stand Michael
Jordan was playing on a Knicks fan, so I couldn't
stand Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
But it was because of Tiger.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
So back in the day when Tiger started wearing everything
I wore in golf, everything I tried to put on
in golf, I always bought Nike brands because of Tiger Woods.
So I had to be Nike from toe to head
to toe. And then after a while I had a
relationship with Nike where they would send me free stuff whatnot.
I go to the store and then even when the
golf there was a guy who was ahead of their
golf department at Nike. He used to fly me out

(45:33):
for a tournament every year and we used to go
there and get golf repair all the time. So I
became a Nike person because of what I first saw
with Tiger Wood, spending my own money, and then it
developed in something else, and I think I'll always continue
to keep that name brand loyalty when it comes to Nike.
What's going to be interesting though you and it's moving
forward with Tiger Woods is not about who he moves
on with.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
He could move on with foot Joy.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
He's already been wearing the shoes a little bit now
after Resurgers whatnot, because I don't think that impact will
be the same obviously as it was when he was
winning all those majors.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Michael Jordan's brand, Air Jordan's continue to move on because
they continue the retros and all that type of stuff
like that. It won't have that kind of because golf
doesn't do the same thing when he comes to the culture.
But with Tiger, it'll be interesting to see not necessarily
where he's going with Nike, but where his son is
going with Nike, because his son is a little protege
and just like Tiger coming up, there are big things

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happening for him. So maybe because of the nil where
these little kids can get paid these days because of name,
image and likeness, I wouldn't be surprised that if his
son gets a deal soon that.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Tiger follows suits or it's a.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Package deal where Tiger and him kind of become like
their father's son in some name brand company out there
endorses the both of them, and that's why they're moving away.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
From Nike.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Nike would have been done well to get his son.
I can't remember his son's name for whatever reason. Charlie
man all this medicine I'm taking right now because of
my congestions killing me. Charlie, I would I'm wondering about
Nike didn't jump on Charlie's bandwagon because I think this
guy's going to be the future golf and he's going
to have the similar impact if he continues to play
the way he is that his dad had on the

(47:12):
golf when he comes to the coach as well.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if Charlie would if
it would be a two for one package deal. You know,
you also have to look at financials with companies across
the board.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
I don't think you'd get in the deals that you
used to get back then too, right, because you have
a lot more people that would have the stats that
would back up a high dollar contract. Back in the day,
tiger Woods was the game in town, you know, and
so we can put all our money into tiger Wood.
Was the same thing like if you saw the movie
Air or know the story of the of Air Jordan.
He wasn't even the get until he was the get

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And so I think now you know, you got so
many stars, you know, in all the sports that you
don't really have the advantage nowadays of making one person
the billion dollar star of your brain. And then also
the liabilities that's involved in that nowadays too, because again,
so much information is so readily accessible. That didn't used
to be the case back in the day. You know,

(48:09):
most of our heroes, we wouldn't know if their wife
had beat him up with a golf club because she
found out he was cheat. Like that wouldn't have been
information we would have necessarily gotten twenty five years ago,
the stories of the drama of Hollywood and sports and
athletics back in the day before media was everybody, Oh gosh,

(48:30):
we we have Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
It's part of media right now.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
In shout out, shout out to you, like because we
want to make sure we love TMZ, We love all
the blaws, we love all that stuff out there.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
So hey man, they're doing their things.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Whatever his information, it's just that if the information is correct, Like, like,
I like TMZ only because their information they get it first.
I don't know how they get the footage of all
this shit, but they do they get it first. And
their journalistic practices. I don't know if it's tall or
the big boss over there or whatnot, but they they

(49:04):
make sure that they protect themselves and the people that
they're reporting about too.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
So I can appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Yeah, And I will say that being on the inside
of TMZ, that has been a thing that you know,
it goes both ways. You know, a lot of times
people who hate TMZ feel like you tell everybody's business.
The comeback is, but it's accurate and it's true. So
you may not like that it's true, or you might
not like it it's available. And the other thing with
all media, you know, I know TMZ takes a lot

(49:30):
of hits a lot of times for their celebrity death
reports because they feel like they're getting them too fast
and putting them out there too fast. And so because
of the way everybody has access to share information, there's
no timeline that you would know that everybody knows everything
or not good better otherwise, right, And so that's just
kind of a personal call. Everybody wants to be the

(49:52):
first with a story, and sometimes people do it to
their own detriment because they haven't you know, done the
fact checking. Part of my relationship with TMZ is when
I noticed all the other blogs they're quoting per TMZ,
and so a lot of them is annoyed at doing
the work, and then everybody else just gets to share
their information. So uh, but that's again, information comes from

(50:15):
everywhere and everybody, right, So if I'm walking down the street,
if I film it, I'm sending it in to somebody.
You know, or you know, you are not safe from
anything nowadays, and you might think you run into a
coffee shop with a friend. Next thing you know, you
see that picture. Is this a new a relationship? You
know it happens.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I've been there, done that, done there, been that. I
was at lunch with.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
A seeing as seeing an executive who I've known for years,
having lunch at and I made sure I did not
sit in the booth because I knew in Atlanta, I know.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
How people are.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
I said at the bar FaceTime with my wife, would
sit this time? It was facetiming. Did that say, hey,
blah blah, this's so and so pretty lady. Don't get
me wrong, but I've been knowing it for long period
of time. Next thing I know, I'm in a blog
Mike kill on a date with blah blah blah blah blah,
like what soet that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Well, you shouldn't have been on a date. Yeah, well
you shouldn't have been with a later from CNN.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
It was a preapproved date by my wife, so it
was all good. That's a date.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Hey, it is time for stop that right now. One
of our favorite segments out there where we basically say, hey, anyway,
just whatever the hell y'all doing out there, that's getting
on our noise nerves.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
That's irritating us. Stop that. You got the data audunits,
all right?

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I mentioned it briefly in Kat Williams. You know what,
you can consume something that we all consume, and you
still don't need to feel the need to share your opinion.
Stop that. I was confused by how many people on
social media chose to find a side to take and
how they felt about something that they really have no

(51:53):
insights into. And so that's one of the things about
the Done There, Been That podcast is a lot of times,
even in a situation like today, we've done there and
Been that. We have perspectives, So whether as comedians, whether
it's as someone who has worked with these people. You know,
I still didn't feel like I need to hop on
the internet and share my perspective or opinion. And I

(52:14):
have a perspective being someone involved in the story, and
I didn't feel like there was a place for it.
So just because you have consumed something doesn't mean you
need to chew it up and spit out what you
felt about it. I think that stop that. I don't
need everybody's opinion about this. Stop.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
You gotta stop X then because Twitter, that's all they do.
That's why.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That's why I always say social media is the best
invention ever made, because it gets the word out about
things that we've been suffering from from the past, you know,
when it comes to civil rights or just people being
killed in the streets.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
But then it's also the worst invention ever made because
it gets.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Everybody a damn opinion, and even though you got a
right to your opinion, not everybody's opinion should be heard.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It could be dangerous at.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Times, and it's just a difference between an opinion and
a perspective. And I wish more people understood that, hey,
there's some things that go on in the world that
they may have a unique perspective for and then share
your perspective because you've been in a similar situation or
you understand something, but just to take your opinion and
feel like this is law and you need to write

(53:20):
in all caps and you need to post about it
fifteen times a day. I think that's weird.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Stop that, Yeah, it is, it is, it is. They
have no life. That's okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
What are you asking us to stop today, sir?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
If you saw both of us have spent some time
in ESPN, Pat McAfee's changing the game over there.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Man, I like me some Pat McAfee at ESPN.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So Pat McAfee just called out ESPN one of the
big bosses over there, Norby Williamson. And everybody knows who
Norby Williamson is if you've ever worked at ESPN, he's
been there forever. He basically called him while working at ESPN,
called the big boss a rant, basically saying that is
there's somebody that's trying to sabotage your show. Now, if
you've seen the Pat McAfee show, it is racy. It

(54:00):
is so unlike Disney. I would have been fired a
thousand times for half the things that Pat McNee says,
but he's getting away with it. But he thinks that
Norby Williamson, who's been over there forever, is trying to
undermine the show. So I want people to stop in
Norby's case, in other people's case, because he's not alone
when it comes to that type of stuff, undermining someone's
growth because of your jealousy, your intimidation, or because it

(54:24):
does not align with who you are now. I can
understand if it's the overall perspective of the network. But
because you just have to say soul and you think
that your way of going about things is the law
of the land, there might be nine other people over here
to disagree with you. You have to listen to some
of those things for the growth of people, because we're different,

(54:44):
we're a different society. So please stop trying to undermine
people just because it does not necessarily align with you.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I can understand doing your job and pushing back here
and there, But.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
When you undermine, you throw out little jabs at people,
and you leak stuff to other people to try and
sabotage their lives and their careers. That is so effed
up and it needs to stop because it's happened to me,
and I'm pretty sure I know it's happened to hundreds
of others.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Stop it, Stop that.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Are you saying stop that? Norby?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, I'm saying stop that.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
If he's doing, if he's if he's and Northy Williamson,
by the way, is like the cockroach of ESPN. And
when I say cockroach means you never seen the cockroach
survives every damn thing. Normy Williamson has survived, like talent
Dan Patrick.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
He has survived Stuart Scott, all those people over there
that he's trying to undermine. Whatever Normy Williamson.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
There could be apocalypse, they could throw a bomb on ESPN,
and Norby would be like, I'm here, I'm still.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
He has been there a very long time, and I
think sometimes that's the challenge, whether it's a television network,
whether it's a sports team, Sometimes you can be in
a situation where it's time to move on only just
because there's other ways to do things, and and the
ways that things used to be done might not be
appropriate before today. Yeah, I was at ESPN over twenty

(56:05):
five years ago, and Norby was there then as well. Yeah,
and you hope many years before.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
That as a platform, Yeah, well he was and he's
gonna be there forever too. You hope there's a platform
that you are allowed to do that. The thing with
ESPN is because they realize they are the worldwide leader
in sports. And I've been at Fossil teen years and
I love being at that network. But ESPN is still
the standard. Yeah, I mean that's what it's the brand.
Everybody identifies with that because.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
He knows that. He knows that.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Okay, well, if you leave where you're gonna go or
what you're gonna do, unless you start your own. Now
you can start your own. But even when you start
your own, like Pat McAfee and bar still guess what
ESPN does go buy that, you know what I'm saying,
We're gonna prank you over here or whatnot. So it's
it's it's it's it's they feel they know they're really
the biggest game in town. And if you leave, you're
gonna leave the exposure. You may make more money, but

(56:52):
people aren't gonna see you as highly as they used to.
But for me, the money, get more money and the
way of life was so much better than the exposure
that ESPN could ever give me. Because of people who
tried to do things to try and keep me under
their thumb, and not just me, but a lot of
other people out there as well. When it came to
a lot of talented sportscasters in broadcasters period that came

(57:13):
through ESPN. One thing you'll never see. You'll see people
leave ESPN, but it's rare that you see somebody leave
ESPN who's popular and want to go back. Think about this,
and this is what I'm saying. They don't want if
they need to go back because there's a job or whatever,
an opportunity that is something, or they were out of
a job here, something happened over there, nobody ever wants

(57:35):
to go back to ESPN.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's rare that you see that.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
And once again, the people that go back are people
that are in a dire situation in which they need
a job, they need to do something because wherever they
went didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Bottom line.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
You know, I think one of the challenges for ESPN
is and it's not the case now, but back in
the day, living in Bristol, Connecticut was a challenge. It's
not anything that most people would pick. It's still live
in Bristol, Connecticut. No Bristol Connecticut, but there's not much
going on but ESPN in Bristol, Connecticut, and the time

(58:11):
that you would have to work, it didn't It just
was hard to have a life or work life balance.
It was my first job out of college, and a
lot of our first jobs out of college, and so
for me it was a great first job. My first
job ever in the history of the world was McDonald's,
which was a great first job because I learned a
certain work ethic and way to work, and they had
these systems in place. I feel like once you worked

(58:33):
at ESPN, for me, it was a situation where I know,
it's not going to be that hard again anywhere else.
So the gift I took from it was you know,
I ain't gonna never have to work this hard again.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I mean, that's good.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
So everything else is a little bit easier.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
It is.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I mean, once you work there, I mean it's good.
Let't don't get me wrong. ESPN catapult in my career.
Here's the thing, it's not just Bristol no more. They
got offices in New York, in LA I don't see PA's,
I don't see producers. Maybe if there's an opportunity to
move up because they need somebody whatever. But no, they leave,
they don't want to go back. Even our producer. I'm
not gonna say any names anything like that.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
But I know you just listen. That's a whole that
can we talk about everybody. Just gotta tell everybody everything
about everything because I want to say something. Be able
to read us talking. That's another day, Okay, another day.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
We'll do that next week. Oh yeah, we do it
next week. So you see my t shirt growth ignoring
people who deserves to be swung on.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
So I'm up. Yeah, I'm growing up.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I'm just I'm ignoring all the haters and all the
people out there that gets him. Get on my damn
nerve just close out this podcast becoming club shape. This
this this, this is becoming a realm's interview. This is
a long ass podcast.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
I like you came out with something on your chest
other than congestion. We'll work it out.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I will.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I will always say what's on my mind. Don't get
me wrong, but I hold back a lot of it
that I really want to say.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I really do. Do you Oh yeah, you ain't seeing
me unfiltered yet? Yeah? Not. People don't want to see
me unfiltered. I'm serious, we do not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
We do not, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Trying to save something I do gotta get paid somewhere,
so I'm not gonna kill the bingers on everybody. He
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(01:00:29):
is great in that bun. You look great, Queen, but
your crown so appreciate you. Thank you for hanging out
with this once again this week. Units any part of words.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Bye, peace y'all.

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