NBA All-Star Game, Chris Brown's Revoked Invitation, and George Karl vs Carmelo Anthony Beef Continues

Mike Hill and Eunice Elliott explore the perceived lack of competitiveness in the NBA All-Star game, and share their personal experience with revoked invitations. The two finish with the beef between George Karl and Carmelo Anthony, discussing long lasting feuds. 

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Another edition of the done there have been that podcast
episode number eleven eleven.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We've had eleven episodes.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Unite eleven, we've had ten.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh well we're on number eleven. Yeah, I'm technically speaking.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, we believe though that is hard to believe.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
That is, we're in double digits already. We haven't gotten
a you know, Emmy nomination. What do you get for podcasts?
What's the awards for Emmy? I mean for podcasts?

Speaker 5 (00:38):
Oh okay, well, you know they do have a lot
of different like online awards, Telly awards, you know, internet
type things.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I think that we are are not in awards season
just yet. For what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're not. We're not. No, we try harder, deeper.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Yeah, you don't want those I mean, well, I'm not
an awards person, but that's what a person with no
awards would say. But never been motivated by awards, honestly,
So we've.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
We've done this week.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
We've had ten episodes. We have not broken the internet.
We haven't gone completely viral yet. We haven't had our
cat That's also good. Sometimes it is good because people
just saying wild stuff out here just to say it,
you know what I mean, just to go viral, and
they're gonna get their fifteen seconds of fame. By the way,
this is episode nowhere level. Once again, Done there have
been that podcast, Mike Hill, you and this Elliott hanging

(01:29):
out with you?

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different twist in our perspective as we take you inside
our own personal lives here.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
As we start each in every episode, we start off
with where have you been? What in the hell have
you done? You? And this over the last week?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, I have been this last week. I am exhausted.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I would tell you I'm tired, but I tell myself
it's all positive, It's all good. I'm working, I'm auditioning,
I'm calling back or they're calling me back, and don't
call again, I've been doing a.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Lot of shows.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
And so I saw this interview recently with Colevid Domingo
and he was talking about now that he's getting all
these accolades and how much attention he's getting for a
lot of his recent projects. He said, you know, I
never thought of myself as a struggling artist. I just said,
this is the life of an artist, you know. And
I said, well, that's a very healthy perspective to have,
because if you feel like you're struggling, you're going to

(02:34):
be filling the struggle versus saying, hey, I'm having the
opportunity to create at will and all the other stuff
I need to figure out how to say.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
But it's been a busy week. I'm ready to take
a little bit of a break. But it's all good.
What about you? Where have you?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
We we talked about that staring. We talk about that
struggling artist mentality. And it's one thing to be an
artist and put your craft out there and be creative
and all that type of stuff like that, but usually
when you're an artist, you're struggling artists. And that's where
the term starving artist comes from, because usually your ass
is literally starving because you can't afford the you can't

(03:08):
go to in and out, you can't do a lot
of things. I mean, like and it's tough because you
want to do what you love, You want to do
what you you came out here to do, pursue the dreams.
But thousands of others are doing the same things, and
it can be tough.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Sometimes it's a.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Lot of people. They can't eat, that's what's so unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
It's like people who have regular nine to fives are
struggling to eat because of the grocery.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, inflation and wages aren't magic, you know.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
So that's the thing that when I find myself getting
kind of like, okay, am I here in La is expensive?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
What am I doing? I realize that's pretty much everybody's
storyline right now. That doesn't make.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Me unique, And figure out where is this freaking pot
of gold. It's sad, it's unfortunates, all the symptoms of
late stage capitalism, and you know, it just is what
it is. But I would say, at the end of
the day, I am learning to say I am having
a great time being alive.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's the good. It's good to have that positive attitude.
You know. Yeah, it's great, you've read this. Okay, you
read that up. Man.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Here's the difference, I will say real quickly when it
comes to the entertainment part of things is the perception.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
And we've talked about this before.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
People see you doing things, you're doing commercials, you're on stage,
you're doing that, and they just think that you're out
here just balling out of control making all kinds of money.
They don't realize every time you do a comedy gig,
if you get twenty five dollars, you get fifty dollars,
you're happy with that. Sometimes you get one hundred dollars. Man,
that is a wonderful payday as a comedian. And then
sometimes the commercials. You could do a commercial, and depending

(04:30):
on how many times commercials run, you.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Might not be getting paid a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
You know, you can get a sitting fee because you
can say, how, I'm on the set, I'm doing this commercial,
I'm doing this movie. Sometimes you may get paid five
hundred dollars for a movie, a movie because you shot
two days whatnot. And that's a sagway. Five hundred dollars
for a sagway if you shoot for one day. So
it's not easy out here. So the perception is you're
out here, you're busy, and you're booked. But I would

(04:56):
much better rather be paid and productive than booked, than
busy than any other I'm doing the same thing as
you out here. Just we did a show together on Saturday.
I like to set up the shout out to T
Breezy Twala for bringing us out there.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Where was that in Carson or Torrence, California?

Speaker 3 (05:15):
And Torrance, California? Really nice minute. Yeah, it was a
day show.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
It was an interesting crowd and it was an interesting
dynamic for comedy.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
It's a cool idea.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was like, you know,
like it was an older crowd. So it was great.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Because you know, like, you know, this comedy thing is tough. Man,
starting at you know, eight thirty nine o'clock at night,
you get on stage at ten thirty eleven o'clock. Man,
it's use time for your bedtime, you know what I mean.
So it's time to go to bed. So to have
it in the afternoon was great. And then also auditioned
for a commercial. Let me tell you something. Audition for
a commercial to play a sportscaster, a sportscaster, something I've

(05:50):
been doing for twenty nine years, and usually I don't
really get upset about certain things like this, but I
got put on the veils for that.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I didn't get the gig. I'm like, hell, got it.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
If it ain't Gush Johnson, if it ain't Mike Bring,
I'm gonna be pissed. But at the same time, if
it's an actor, I understand. Sometimes it's got to be
the right look, the right sound, whoever they're paying with,
and all that type of stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
But I'm like, man, I killed that. All this shit.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
But once again, what's for me is for me, and
what's not for me isn't for me. What I will
say isn't for me right now is watching the All
Star Game for the NBA that just happened.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
That just happened on Sunday. A lot of people are
trashing it.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
The most points ever scored in the NBA All Star
Game ever, the most points by one team. I think
over two hundred eleven points I believe was scored by
the East the East Side as.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
They won that game. And it's not watchable.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
You know, I kind of watched it, but I let
it watch me as I was doing other things. You
saw the highlights, whatever. It's not competitive. It's not what
it used to be back in the day when Magic
and Bird those guys played. Yeah, we get the alley use,
we get all the showtime, get the entertainment part of things.
But when it got down to it, usually in the

(07:04):
fourth quarter, especially those teams wanted to win back in
the day, especially when Kobe was there. Kobe even has
a quote talking about when he and Chris Paul played together.
Anytime they played, they was like, hey, fourth quarter, we're
gonna take Oh, we're gonna win this basketball game. And
everybody's talking about how do you fix it. I don't
know if it can be fixed with today's NBA players
because units, you know, obviously their injury concerns, and I

(07:28):
really just don't think they care or they had that
competitive edge like players of yesteryear.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
You know what I will say, I did not watch it,
but I don't watch a lot of things, So I
never used me as a barometer for what people are consuming.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
You know, millions of people are watching things I've never seen.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
But I remember growing up and All Star NBA All
Star Weekend was an event at my family's house, me
and my siblings because we didn't have an NBA team
in Alabama, so this All Star was kind of like
our team, right. We got the root for all of
our favorites playing together. And although you know, is still
the same concept with the guys from all the other teams,
it's a different energy, not just from the players and

(08:05):
their effort, it's a different energy from the fans because
I think right now we have so many different things
to consume our attention than we used to have.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I think you just need you're going to.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Have to figure out another way to retool this or
to incorporate different aspects. But back then, that was that
was the only thing going on that weekend. That was
the only thing that was going to be on TV,
maybe TN T or TVs, you know. And so I
think if you just say listen, I can either scroll
on TikTok for an hour or watch an hour of
the All Star Game. I'm probably gonna scroll on TikTok
for an hour one Because my attention span is not

(08:38):
as long as it used to be. I'm able to
source exactly the content I want to get, and guess what,
I know that I'm gonna get a play by play
rundown of whatever I missed, whether it's social, whether it's
I watch it on a sports show, I'm gonna know
what happened.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
And so whether it's an.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Award show, it's the super Bowl, it's the commercials is
Halftime's NBA All Star. I don't feel the pressure I
have to watch because I know I'm gonna catch it
a week later.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Right, the conversations, all the clips.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It just see.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Like you said, we are in a world where we
want to consume information quickly.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's why blogs are so popular. That's why TikTok is
so popular.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
That's why you can't put up videos over three minutes
because nobody's gonna watch.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
But you know what will be watched entertainment. If you
keep them entertained and you keep them enthrall people will watch.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
People watch three hours of Kat Williams, three hours, three
hours a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
I just finished a TikTok series with fifty parts, a
woman talking about marrying a pathological liar. And when I
tell you, that's all anybody's talking about on the internet
is she did and to each part was ten minutes,
and we are finishing fifty parts of this woman that
we don't know story, and we just want to hear stories.
We want to be engaged. And guess what the beauty

(09:55):
of social is not only do you get to watch it.
The same thing with the podcast and we encourage people
to share comments or even this podcast in particular is
where we share our perspectives. But it's one of those
things where it's like in the comment, somebody's gonna say, oh,
I know who I was in this story, Oh I
had a situation similar, or oh that's never happened to me.
It's hard sometimes now to consume entertainment where you're not involved.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
They're not asking me what I think. And you see
a lot of Thomas.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
These these sports teams are trying to put the RSS
feeds of different twitters or ex's or instagram people's comment
so maybe you'll watch to see your comment, you know.
But it's just like with the actual nba'll start. I
can tell you once Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan weren't
in the dunk contest. I was out right, So they're
talking about thirty years probably I ain't really been involved,

(10:42):
and I just think it's how do you entertain us?
When the people who aren't participating don't seem to be entertained.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
And you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
You got guys like Anthony Edwards, who are people talking
about being the face of the National Basketball Association in
the future, and he's basically saying, you know, I'm not
here to be competitive.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Basically, this is some time off.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
And who blames them? They'll be quite honest with you.
These guys grind for eighty two games during the regular season.
I get that the most important thing for them to
do is to win in the playoffs and win the
NBA Championship. I understand that that's the most important thing.
This is what they get paid for. Otherwise it is entertainment.
Maybe they should put the NBA All Star Game at
the end of the season, because you know what, it

(11:23):
is competitive. If you've ever gone into a workout at
UCLA or in Chicago somewhere where they have these open
run gyms for the what private runs for the NBA
players and they select a couple of college players or
maybe G League players to come in and play with them.
Those games are competitive because they feel like they're getting
ready for the season and they got a lot of
stuff on the line. I don't know if you have

(11:44):
that mentality with these players for the All Star Game,
because guess what, they want to enjoy the festivities too.
You know, they're in Indianapolis. I don't know if there's
a lot to do in Indianapolis, but they probably were
out partying all night long night before and they're thinking
about the party afterwards, and then they thinking about, Okay, well,
I only got a couple of days off, I got
to spend time with my family, whatever. I just want
to go out there and have a good time and

(12:04):
have fun because this is one of the rare times
during the season where I can actually relax and enjoy myself.
So there's a part of me that says, I don't
blame them for not doing that, but at the same time,
I would like to see that back. And if you
want to continue to have an All Star Game, if
you're the NBA, you have got to put a product
out there that is enjoyable to watch and create storylines

(12:25):
that make people so intrigue, because, like you said, if
there's something that people are interested in watching, they will
sit down and consume and watch it.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
This is the reason why you and this the reason.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Why I want to do this podcast about sports and entertainment.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Talk about the ex's and o's. I wanted to talk
about life experiences. I wanted to touch and see something
that may be an NBA player or a Major League
Baseball player or sports figure is going through and say, okay,
we've gone through that. I know somebody else that's gone
through something like that. And if somebody that's listening or
watching us right now says man I went through a
similar experience, guess what, they'll be intrigued to say, hey,

(13:03):
we're not alone, and then they'll sit down and they'll
watch and maybe they can learn something from it as well.
So that I believe is.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I can fix the NBA All Star Game.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
You can fix it, Okay, fix it.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
So this is what you do.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
You have the top college players, you have the top
w NBA players, you have the top G league players,
and then one or two actual NBA stars or maybe
three per team, and you mix and match. That's the roster, right,
They're all playing on the same teams. And so now
I think we want bragging rights. You know, I won
with a the top college player, I one with the

(13:35):
w NBA player.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I think that would be interesting.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
That also brings all these other fan bases to this weekend,
to this game that is an All Star for basketball
on NBA All Star Weekend, And I think that would
be fun. Maybe have one of the players be the coach,
you know, seeing the substitutions coming in and out, seeing
these these people who don't get the shine get to
play next to the biggest stars in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I think that would be fun to watch. I would
watch that.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know, also will make them play money and centive
the money winner take all type of money at the
end of the game.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
If you say, hey, you know what, the.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Winner of this game, each player gets a million dollar piece,
million dollars a piece.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Guess what. Guess what that fourth quarter is gonna be.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
They gonna be going added Because I don't care how
much money you make, and these players are making up
to sixty million dollars a year, a million dollars for
a game.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
They will take anything.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I know they make that pretty much for a
game in a sense, but they will definitely take that
for All Star Weekend, especially some of the younger players
out there trying to make a name for themselves. But
I like your suggestion to inter great other players like
Sabrina ian Escu and Steph Kurk had a three point
contest and that was watched by over four million people.
I'm close to five million people to watch the three

(14:46):
point contest because that was intrigue, that was a storyline,
that was something different. I feel like even a dunk
contest instead of just having NBA players. I know they
had a G League player, Mac McClung, who want it
back to back. Get some of these guys who are
not in the NBA and that's all they do is dunk.
Maybe it's an NBA versus the best dunkers from around
the world or whatever. And then the NBA players, with
their egos being in ball, saying we can't let these

(15:08):
outsiders show us up on the court that we play on.
Maybe that's even more intriguing than just what we have
right now. But I know the commissioner Michael.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Jordan back on the court. I don't know if you're
gonna get me back for the dunk contest.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I would even let.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Me tell you something, if you got Dominique and Michael.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
If you've got Dominique and Michael Jordan back on the court,
that ain't gonna be a shit you want to watch anyway,
Dominique and Jordan, they ain't dunking nothing but.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Dominique tossing the all for this young starter a dunket. Hey,
that's a ten they went. I mean, I'm saying, take
the things that were exciting when they worked and integrating
them with what's going on now. I think, not only
are you paying amage to the past, you also you're
getting eyeballs. You're gonna get the eyeballs that you haven't
gotten since these people retired. Right, So I'm saying you

(15:53):
have to get creative and say, you know, just like
the NML got creative when they made up this relationship. Okay,
go ahead, but anyway you can get creative, not this episode, Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
All right?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean some of the dumpy strying and do
that pay homage, like Jalen Brown brought out somebody you've
borret to number twenty one Jersey, Dominique Wilkinson tried to
do a Dominique dunk and all that type of stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's another story, but hopefully they'll figure it.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
The NBA needs to take notes for the NFL. That's
all I will say, okay, have you.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Ever held onto something too long in your personal life?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Have you ever liked like somebody tried to tell you
to change something about yourself and you just said, you
know what, M nah, I'm good and just you were
stubborn about it.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
No, I will say, I'm not good with suffering through things.
So when I don't want to do something, I stopped
pretty immediately. But I also don't take other people's information
and insight as mine, right, So any job. I've quit
every job I've ever had, but that's only because I
had gotten to the point I didn't want to work
there anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
From the outside, everybody's like, what you're here? You're doing that?

Speaker 5 (16:54):
You know they only see the good parts. They could
convince you, hey, but you're getting paid this whatever. So,
and the same thing I would say in personal relationships,
once I'm out, I'm out. And I mentioned that series
on TikTok It was like who they el to be married?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
But it's I think a lot of relationships.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
I remember Whitney and Bobby coming out and Whitney saying,
you know, a lot of times, because so many people
are telling you to get out, you double down and
stay in to prove a point. I have never I
have never been in a situation where I stayed longer
than I meant to be in an extreme way, because
I was gonna say, my timeline is much shorter than
the average bear. So by the time I said, well
I supped through that for three hours, somebody else was like, well,

(17:31):
you could have given it three years.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I'm like, absolutely not, what about you? I think I
know your answer.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Absolutely. I mean, I'm very stubborn.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I've had several people throughout my career trying and tell
me how to do my job whatnot, and I've.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Listened to some of it. I've taken with a grain
of salt, but I know who I am.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And I've had people tell me I needed to be
stop being more like this person and more like this person.
But then they're telling me at the same breath, be yourself.
Like well you're telling me to be like somebody else,
So how I'm gonna be it myself? But I can't
be like this guy. I don't get it man. So
like I think when it comes to that and maybe
being stubborn or whatever, maybe not listening to some of that,

(18:09):
maybe it stalled my career in some regards or my
up growth at certain places, whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
But at the end of the day, I know who
I am, and when I.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Look myself in the mirror and I'm like, okay, I'm
gonna fall on my sword and I'm just gonna be
who I am or whatever, and if they don't like it,
they don't like it, then that's fine. But at the
end of the day, I just can't lose myself because
I've lost myself before and that's not a good feeling
to have to lose yourself and not know who you
are because everybody's trying to tell you how to live
your life. You can only live the life that you
are intended to live, the one that God gave you.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So that's just the way I do that.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
The NBA does not need to take notes from the NFL.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think the NBA.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
I think the NBA, But they have a when they
know they have a problem, it's an out problem. When
the commissioner is coming out and basically saying that there's
a problem, then they know that there's probably. Now if
I ever looked at myself and said, like, damn, I
had a problem, why I'm not doing this? This is
not happening this is not working for me. I don't
feel good about myself. I don't like the product that
I'm putting out there. I need help in that regards.

(19:08):
I'll go get help, you know. And I think the
NBA they understand that they have a problem. I mean,
the ratings are starting to go down, the commissioners saying that,
so they need to go and not be stubborn and
change certain things and not just maybe like you said,
maybe not making an all NBA thing. Integrate the WNBA
and other aspects of basketball from around the.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
World and make it more of a global thing.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I actually liked it when they had the World against
the American Stars and all that type of stuff like that.
I liked it when they chose teams they went away
from that. I liked it when they implemented the rule
in the fourth quarter where I can't remember the name
of the scoring system, but there was a scoring system
where the leading team, if they led by a certain amount,
you added twenty four points in honor Kobe and that

(19:50):
was going to be the winning score and the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I liked that.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That made it a little bit more competitive, and if
it was a blowout through three corps at least the
team that was behind the fourth quarter had a chance
to come back, just had to make up some ground.
But I think they go away from it because.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Are you familiar with the book Who Moved My Cheese?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Who Moved My Cheese? Or who passed the Cheese?

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Okay, so you're talking about all these different things that
has been talked about or that would possibly there's this.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
There's a book. It's called Who Moved My Cheese.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
It's a very short book, but the premise of it
is what the NBA is in this situation and what
most of us tend to be in. But basically it
gives the example of you put cheese in a maze
and you put mice in there. Uh, they're gonna go
wherever the cheese is. They're not gonna keep going to
the same place if the cheese was there yesterday, they're
gonna follow the scent to get to the cheese.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Whereas humans, we're.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Gonna keep going back to the same spot where the
cheese was yesterday, versus venturing out finding the cheese because
we're like, well it was here yesterday, it's not here today.
I'll come back tomorrow and check again. And we are
losing strength, we are starving, we are dying. Whereas a
mouse will go find the cheese, and we as peep
will tend to say who moved my cheese? Right, and
an animal it's just gonna go find it, right. And

(21:06):
so that's where the NBA is. That's where a lot
of people who are trying to figure out how to
pivot in life is. Hey, you can't just keep talking
about the cheese was here yesterday and keep coming back
to that spot. You got to go find that cheese
and not worry about who moves.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Go get it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Go get the cheese. I like that. That's a life.
You'll get that cheese.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
It's a good book.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
They have work books, they have But anyway, that's the
whole thing working anymore. Pivot right, change it, don't keep
doing the same thing saying it used to work.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
That's very that's very good. It's got to be a
short book for who moved my cheese?

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I know who wasn't at All Star Weekend. I know
who wasn't at the All Star Celebrity Game. He was
supposed to be there and got an invitation revote.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
That was Chris Brown.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Not gonna get into the reasons why people think that
it was, because that's just going down a rabbit hole
that nobody wants to.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Let me say.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Let me say, Chris Brown is the one who let
us know. I don't know that we would have known
this if he didn't share the email where he was
invited to play in the game. And then he said
that sponsors like Ruffles had a problem with him being
a part of game. And I love that Ruffles came
out as is, we ain't say that, We don't know that.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
We ain't got nothing to do with that Ruffles because
Ruffles was getting their feathers.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Ruffled by Chris Brown's fans coming out and.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Ruffles probably I mean, look, I don't know what Ruffles
did or didn't do, but I know the NBA. I'm
pretty sure the sponsors have a lot of say of
who they probably didn't say who could be in the game,
but they probably like this guy right here, you think
he's necessarily you know, maybe something like that, and you

(22:47):
know how that goes. But you know, like so, when
it comes to being invited uninvited, have you ever been
in a situation where somebody invited you somewhere or you
invited somebody to something, and all of a sudden, for
whatever reason, and uninvite notice had to go out to
that person or to you.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
I have never been uninvited that I am aware of,
but I have uninvited myself to things based.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
On other founders.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Right, So I have accepted invitations before, and then based
on other information I may have learned, I have been
uninvited myself. I used to be in a friend group,
and different dynamics in the friend group started to change,
and so we were still trying to hold on to
the friend group, but it wasn't enjoyable or fun or interesting.
So I made the information known to other members of

(23:36):
the friend group outside of the part of the group
that was not enjoyable anymore. Hey, guys, if you invite her,
don't invite me. I'm not interested. It's just not interesting
to me, right, So I just said, listen. I was
getting annoyed because what we would do is we would
keep this friend group together, all of us would have
a miserable time, and then we would sneak and go
have a different time after she left.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
So we're pretending like we're going to our car, all right,
y'all see all of it.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
And I was like, y'all, Why am I spending twice
as much money when she just don't have to be here?
And if you feel loyal to her, that's fine, but
don't invite me. And I've actually have lost friendships after
that because they snuck and invited me to something she
was at and I'm sitting there looking at them, like
and the time was still bad. And I have never
talked to the friend who I stayed friends for the invitation.

(24:21):
I'm like, why would you have me here? And you
know this ain't what I'm trying to do, so I
will uninvite myself. And I and I have that's a
really strict boundary because if I say, hey, I don't
enjoy being around that person, I'm not telling you not
to be their friend and whatever, but you could leave
me out of it.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
I'll catch you next time.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
So were the other people in the group just just
as unhappy with her as you were? Because you guys
said that sometimes you would. So why did they keep inviting?
Why were they still.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Friends with It was because we had been longtime friends,
you know, maybe it was a loyalty kink.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Now just because I've done something for years.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I mean, I'm just going what does she do?

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Okay, well, I would you give the example on the
last time, the sneak invitation. Okay, we went to a
high end steakhouse. Okay, it's only three of us there.
So the friend that gave the sneak invitation, the one
I don't want to be here with, and me, So
it's only three of us here. So I'm really confused.
High end steakhouse that means high end prices. And the
person who I do not want to be there with

(25:18):
sat there on her phone talking to someone else the
entire time. And so for thirty minutes, this person sat
at the table talking to someone else, and so I'm
talking to the friend. When this person got off the
phone because I didn't hear her giving out any nuclear
codes or CPR directions, I said, is everything okay? And

(25:38):
the friend who was my friend who gave the secret
invitation said, well, if she wants to talk to us
about as she would, and I made I was done
with her now too.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
I paid my portion of the bill. I said, oh,
y'all got me. Fuck stop.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
If y'all think I would actually come out here and
pay money to watch somebody talk on the phone and
do that's been maybe four five years ago. I have
not seen or spoken to either since.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Now.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
That was just the last time. That was after I
had already said, hey, this ain't it for me.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
I'm very strict with my boundaries, and I think women,
particularly people, Americans, poor people, black people, It's a lot
of different marginalized groups that are not encouraged to enforce
their boundaries because the feeling is you should just be
happy to be here, right, And I'm saying, wow, this
is a boundary for me.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I don't enjoy her company, none of us.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Do we go have a second dinner after her I'm
paying second dinner prices, right, Just let me next.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I get it. I get it in an intimate environment.
How about like the party? How about because I've been
in situations before where one friend didn't like another one
of my friends.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
They're both friends.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I wanted them both to be there at a situation
or an event that I was having. It could have
been about twenty thirty people, could have been something for
New Year's Eve, it could have been a part anything.
And I'm inviting both of them. I'm like, I got
a big house. You can go to one end, the
other person on the other.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
End.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Y'all got friends and separate friends. How about for something
like that intimate, just the three or four.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Of us uninvite one of them.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm asking, how do you? How do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Like if I invited you, say, I invited you to
a party and it was like, I said, it's thirty
people there.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
You know how my parties are, And I'm like, this
got this big.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
House or whatever, and you got friends that are going
to be there, and the person that you don't like
is also going to be there among the other twenty
some odd guests that I have. How do you feel
about that? Would you then show up?

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah? I mean I've shown up to your events with
that exact situation.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
I've pointed to the person who I can't stand at
your event and said I can't say that person and
told you why Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Because a lot of it, Yeah, no, I I because
the thing is I have to because people say, man, like,
you know, I don't like this person, why would you
invite this person? While they and then like sometimes I'm
like They'll look, well, I've been knowing you longer, and
I'm like, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Just as good as friends or even better friends with
this person even though I've been knowing them. That's time,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So they get upset with the loyalty thing and they
say I'm not loyal because to my story, one time.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I had a birthday party.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Somebody we both know broke up with a girl that
he introduced us to, and she was like part of
the family. Everybody loved this. She was like we all
had her number and all that type of stuff. And
you know, when I had my birthday parties, I just
invite basically the entire city and I invited Tom and
I unbeknownst to me, Now she calls this guy and says,

(28:36):
Mike invited me to his party.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm bringing somebody.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
I didn't tell her she could bring somebody, but she
said she was bringing somebody. He calls me and goes
off on me and basically says, well, I'm not coming.
I'm uninviting myself because so and so's coming and blah
blah blah, and you know why you invite her, She
won't even really like you like that, and all this
all this stuff comes out from the past that I
had no idea about before, but now he's gonna give

(29:02):
me all the background on who this person is and
how she felt about me and all that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
So I ended up not inviting her at all.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I had to basically call her and say, hey, because
my boy is coming or whatever, and I did not
know you was bringing somebody else. I'm gonna have to
tell you not to come. So I had to uninvite
that person. I felt bad in a sense doing it,
but I and I've been in several situations like that.
I had another situation where I threw a party for somebody.
That person it was gonna be a surprise party. That

(29:33):
person's daughter didn't like one of the people that was coming,
even though they had been cool before whatever, And because
it was a surprise, I had to uninvite this guy
because if he came, she wasn't gonna come in Obviously
this woman wanted her probably would want her daughter to
be there or whatnot.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
And I felt bad about that. He felt terrible and
all that.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Stuff, And yeah, it's tough when you have to do that,
when you're putting that situation. But I don't like to
like separate when it's a big event, you know, because
I feel like we can be adults, and I feel
like at the same time as long yes.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
In theory, in theory, have you ever been uninvited? Do
you know that you have been uninvited to something?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I I have? I have I felt unwanted. I feel
I've never felt I've never been I've never gotten an
invitation and then somebody rescinded the invitation. I have felt
like if someone invites me somewhere that I've heard about
at the last second, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, you know, like you so and so on

(30:33):
throwing a party whatever, and then you hear hey blah
blah blah. You talk to that person like, oh I
heard you throwing the party. Oh yeah, yeah, man, I
was going to invite. Nope, don't worry about it anythink
about me.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
You just forget about.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
You didn't forget, You didn't forget. You didn't forget because
this person forgot. They forgot, Well, they didn't forget.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Let me tell you why they didn't forget, because I
straight up asked the person it was a Thanksgiving and
this person I've all had always invited them to Thanksgiving dinner,
and whether I was throwing Thanksgiving dinner or somebody else
is there. This person was always there coming, bringing, didn't
bring food with leave with three plates and all that
type of stuff like that. His Thanksgiving etiquette was terrible, right,
but still he would come and nobody would say anything.

(31:15):
This guy decided he was going to do Thanksgiving dinner
into his house one year and a friend of mine say,
are you going to so and So's house? And I'm like,
I didn't know about it, and she said, well yeah.
I asked him, did you invite Mike? And he says no,
straight up, he said no, And so later I saw
him saying, man, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so all

(31:36):
of a sudden because I just wanted to see what
he was gonna say, and I he was gonna do it,
but I was like, nah, bro, I don't want to
come him.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Good. I heard what you have to say to me.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
That leans more towards like a messiness than just a
clear oversight. Right, So that might have been some messiness
involved on why the woman the person asked you or
asked him and then told you.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
You know what I'm saying to me.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
That's more of a dynamic of messiness versus is a
clear uninvitation or a clear miscommunication. Does that make sense,
because but at the same to tell you that story,
there was no reason for her to tell you that,
knowing that it would probably make you feel a certain
kind of way.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So I don't like that. I don't like when.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
People go back and share information to make someone feel
bad about someone else. I'm either gonna withhold you because
it's not gonna help nothing, or I'll be like, oh
I talk to such and such. I'm not gonna say, oh, yeah,
he said this. Because also, you have to ask yourself,
why would somebody feel comfortable kind of talking negative about me.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
To this person who's my friend? Like what did my
friends say?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
So you always kind of have to watch somebody when
they bring back, you know, the bones, because.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
You're like, huh, why did they give you the bones?
That's interesting?

Speaker 3 (32:42):
And I asked she she she I asked. I asked
her that same question. I'm like, so, what did you say?
And she said that I told him it wasn't right,
and she said, I said, yeah, I'm gonna talk to
him a butt.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
She said, you should.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So she's the one that basically encouraged me to say
something to him because she knew what he was doing
was messed up because I have.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Always yeah, so it made it.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
She was trying to give me the heads up and
not being messy. I think she was kind of giving
me like, this is the person that you're dealing with here.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
So uh. But the biggest un invitation I had.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
To give, I know, it was a wedding in vave.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
One of them, right, it had to be a wedding.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Involve go ahead, That's that's why.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
And stuff.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
I'm like, like, come on, let's get to a wedding
ate one of your weddings. You had to uninvite some
one you probably dated before, but y'all really good friends.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Now, come on, let me hear it.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
WHOA, no, no, no, it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
It wasn't that, although we did invite our excess to
what we did do that so obviously the last one
was this big fair. It was like all these we
had all these people, over two hundred people, which was
roshing anyway.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
But the list was much bigger.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
We both knew over five hundred and six hundred people
that we could have invited to this part this wedding
or whatever. So we had the narrow list and we
both had one hundred and twenty five people lead to whatever,
and we both submitted this list and said, okay, let's
put this list and give it to the person who
was in charge of running the wedding, right, And it
was a list of about three hundred and fifty people.

(34:09):
Once we narrowed it down right and were gonna have
to cut out one hundred people. And when the RSVPs
went out to say the date went out, that list
went out saying basically, you've been invited to this wedding.
And we had to hit one hundred people and tell
them that wasn't supposed to go out.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
We made a mistake.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Oh yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, that wasn't loose when we realized that, no, no, no, no, no,
send that out. Don't sit that's not the list. That's
not the list, and it was nobody's father. Was just
a miscommunication.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So I'm not trying to.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Blame anybody, but yeah, I have to hit people wanted
to come to this event.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
They wanted to come to that, they really wanted to
be there.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
And man, when I tell you, I've lost friends that
won't talk to me to this day because of that.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Because invitation to save the day, and then you have
to say, hey, you actually received that an era. You
are not cordially invited to witness the noble in her.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yes, because they brought me a gift, and obviously.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
That is embarrassing. That's rough.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
That is That was That was a tough one. That
was No, I feel bad. They'll be invited to the
next one, though, I'll make sure.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
But you said it was never gonna be another one,
I said, leaving alone this man's.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Boundary when they got something to look forward.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
To, me said, I was trying to think of because
I haven't had a lot of like huge life events
like baby showers or weddings or you know, so I
haven't had a whole lot to invite people to. But
I will say I was trying to think of a
more personal invitation story.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I'm the third of four kids. My parents got divorced.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
My dad did not come to my older sister or
older brothers graduation, so I did not invite him to mine.
They did invite him to theirs, but he didn't come.
So I consciously did not invite him to mine.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Right wow, wow, And.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
So sometimes your invitations it's not even a loyalty kink.
It's like and I think sometimes people like myself included.
I'm not that social. I think sometimes people don't offer
me invitations because I have declined so many in the
past that they just stop asking me. And sometimes I
can see where people are doing things without me, and
I have half a second of almost wanting to feel something,

(36:33):
but I'm like, I didn't want to go to that,
No way, let it go. You didn't even want to go,
and they didn't ask you. You've said no enough times
previously that they don't ask you. As far as the
NBA and the Chris Brown situation, I think that's a
very gross oversight. Just like your invitations going out, there
should have been conversations of due diligence on Hey, we
have sponsors.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
This is our wish list.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Do you guys have any problems with anyone on the
wish list before we send out invitations, right, because then
that will been a time for us to have these
internal conversations, Hey, we have a problem with your wish list.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
We would want to remove X, y Z before these
go on.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
That is what should have happened to avoid the embarrassment
and also the hurt feelings, and then of course and
then public discourse of you know, how he felt about
the situation and sharing it publicly.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's how you could avoid that, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I bet you they learned that now.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I bet you they will submit this in the future
when it comes to these games to anybody that they
want associated with any of their brands.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
So that's just the way it is. It's unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
But let me say this.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I want to make a point that we talk about
knowing each other for twenty five years and we're doing
this podcast together. I never even got a bad invitation
to one of Mike's weddings, like I ain't never even
got one that wasn't even a real one to one.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Of his friends. That's all. I just wanted to make
sure we said that.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, I will say, I'll save it for stop that.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
The first one, I was so young. I don't even
don't I ain't know you were first one. I was young.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I knew your sister, but you and your sister weren't
tight tight, you know what I mean. I didn't know.
The second one was like at a courthouse, and the
last one was like, like I said, I'm just we
had a lot of people units we just get some
of my family members didn't get to go.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
I'm said, I wann't even on the list to get
the invitation that I was supposed to get. So I
want this to be clear. That for the next one,
for the next one, and put me down with a
plus one. Oh no, you're you have another wedding. I'll
have a plus one. How about that?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I would give you a plus two if you bring
a date and you bring that girl that you don't want,
if you just bring her, I give you a plus too,
because you know units you can hold a grudge.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
You know me, clear this up. I have never held
a grudge. Our whole funerals.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
You are dead.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
To me.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
That is different than.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Wow wow wow. So when they go low, you dig
a greade. That's what you do.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Oh my godge.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
It's something you have to keep adding energy to, adding fire,
bringing up right. And we saw that happen recently, and
you know, we love to talk about other people's podcast
Carmelo Anthony was recently talking about an old grudge and
when I see stories like this, I don't I don't
identify because, like I said, once it's dead, it's dead.
I'm not talking about I'm not saying nothing bad. I'm

(39:27):
not saying good I'm not telling the story. It's done
and you never existed.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
So you heard what Carmelo had to say when he
first was George Carl became his coach of Denver.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
It was a shoot around and whatnot and got clip.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
We got how old is this story? We would say
that this story is Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Carmelo was like twenty one, so this has to be
almost twenty years ago, at least almost years. That's alone,
it's been a long standing feud between George Carl and
Carmelo Anthony. Is a clip of the first conversation George
Carl had with Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
According to Carmelo.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Anthony after after the shoot around, called me to his
room and tell me, hey, man, look I think you overrated,
like you have a lot of work.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yoah, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
First the first shoot around, he come to me and
say like, look, man, I think you overrated that we
have a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Of work to I know, I ain't you know what
I mean.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
I know I got a lot of I got a
long way to go in this league.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
But my nigga, you just go. You just got here.
Questions like who's who? What, what, what's going on? What's
the vibe?

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Individual meetings with every player to introduce yourself.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
You ain't do none of that. Yet you called me,
told me I was overrated, looked.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
At him all right, So yeah, you remind me of
I see your role on this team.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You more like death of strength. That was it, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
And for the record that that ship wasn't a bad player.
He just wasn't a superstar player. He's number three options
on them seat how to superstiany team. So basically saying
to Carmelo Anthony, he was supposed to be to saving
for the Denver Nuggets, a superstar coming into league with
Lebron and Dwayne Wade and all those other guys. He
was supposed to be a superstar player. So he's saying
that he's the third option on the team. He took
it as a disc Now they've been going back and

(41:14):
forth units for years for years now. I'm not saying
that Carmelo and holds a grudge. But George Carr came out,
took that clip, retweeted it, basically said something like you know,
ta Iro whatever it said, and basically said dead left
shrump was you wish is he was dead left shrump?
Like that right there is the jabs in the and
the and the insults has been going back and forth

(41:34):
for years between these two. But how do you resolve
something like that when you have no like you said
you did Graves and you you you you bury people
when you have no relationship with people. Is there a
point where you just stopped talking about that person period?
That's really what it's dead?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I would hope so.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
I think because these are two public figures, and both
of them were judged by their wins, right. I think
anytime you can say, okay, I was this good based
on my record, based on my stats, then that's a
different conversation than you're having just people interacting and engaging
with each other.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Right now, he took it as a disc, But.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
If he didn't take it as a disc, or he
could have taken it as a disc. And if George
Call came back and said, that's how motivate a young player,
That's how I try to keep a young player hungry,
That's how I try to keep you know, a lot
of people can tell you the story what Biggie was like.
You know, they said I won't gonna make it, you know,
or anybody you know, Michelle Obama tells the story of
the teacher who told her she was in college material,
and so sometimes that does light a fire, and somebody

(42:32):
who you know and not saying that you should you know,
downplay someone's talents and gifts to make them better. But
sometimes people use that reverse psychology to get the best.
And I think when when these young players come out
with a lot of hype, a lot of fanfare, and
this coach has to try to manage them to win
championships in coordination with other players that he also has
to manage. Maybe it was offered in a way to

(42:53):
inspire Mellow to work really hard. But over the last
twenty years it has not kind of played out that
that's what that was. It seems like it may have
been something else, or it could have started as that
in Mello's reaction and the retaelling and how they both
played into it. At today, it still looks like beef
when it's like, hey, maybe I was just trying to
get a lot out of a young guy.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
But maybe that was the start of it. And you
think about it, everything has a beginning, right your approach,
in the beginning of how somebody takes you could lead
to a long lasting, few bad blood relationship because of
your first impression that you made on somebody. Maybe his
intent wasn't that, but the way he came across was
like that in Mellow's eyes. So anything that this guy,

(43:34):
even if he was trying to get the best out
of Mellow, his approach wasn't received by Mellow the right way,
and so Mello looked.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
At it as like, this guy's just on my ass.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
He doesn't like me from the beginning because of the
first conversation they had. So sometimes when you have that
first initial conversation and you don't know this person, you
don't know their background, you don't know their character, you
don't know how they do things or how they motivate
people or whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
You just don't know how to take them.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
And if they don't ever develop or that relationship where
you just look at somebody and say, well, you know what,
that's just so and so you ever been in that place,
you like, what.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Are some of the best people in your life right
now and you didn't have that great first impression. You know,
think of how many best friends are like, oh we
hated each other when we met, or oh we have
you know, but that's what I'm saying sometimes it could
be the worst first impression, the first interaction, and they
going to be your greatest champion in life, or it's
somebody you have a grudge against for twenty years.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
So I mean, I think it really goes into the maturity.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Of both people from that first impression, from first meeting
of if they had gone on and won five championships together,
this would be a different story, right, this would be
a different conversation of Oh, when we met and he
said that to me, But man, I saw his style
and he saw my style, and we respected each other
and we just was taking taking them out on the court,
you know.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, But if you don't have that personality and you
don't get the chance to develop that personal relationship to
know who that person is, you just look at him
as hard ass, was something to prove, or you feel
like this guy's got an ego, and your ego gets
in the way and doesn't allow yourself to hey, sit
down and have that conversation. I think sometimes I've been
in situations where I've been matured enough, I guess, and
the other person's matured enough, like, hey, thenk we got
out to a wrong foot. We out to the wrong foot.

(45:08):
I think something you said, I took it. What did
you mean by that? Because I asked questions because I
don't want to have, you know, a bad impression on
somebody and they're not a bad person because they had
a bad day. Sometimes it's an aberration. My two you
mentioned something, my two best friends in this world. When
I first met them, I couldn't stand they ass and
they couldn't stand me. The first day I met Jay Harris,

(45:30):
fourth of July, I had just gotten to ESPN, right
I was at this party for another guy that was
a sportsenter anchor there and was there. He got off
work and he was tired, and I'm seeing this guy
on the air all the time and he's like nice.
I was looking forward to meeting Jay Harris. I meet
Jay Harris barely talks to me. He barely says anything.
I'm like, man, you know, and I'm thinking, my mom
my ego gets in the way. I'm like, oh, I'm

(45:52):
the new black dude on ESPN. Maybe other just threatened
and all that type of stuff like that and whatever.
He was just having a bad date. I had no
idea did but I thought he was an asshole, and
I tell him to this day. We talk about this
to this day. My other best friend who I've been
knowing over thirty five years, when I was in the military,
I had a little authority because they call it a rope.
I was a supervisor in technical school when I was

(46:13):
in the military. And this guy comes in fresh recruit
or whatever country, kid from Kentucky, goldtooth in his mouth
and everything. Ball Ahead didn't like authority, sees a black
man with authority, didn't like me because of.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That, and we are We are best friends to this day.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I look at them as brothers because after a while
we sat down and we actually talked about it instead
of having his few back and forth Oh he said this,
and then other people get involved and says, oh, you know,
George on life, he said this about you, And it's
always that back and forth. Like you said, there are
people who are meant to be rebel rousers and want
to keep messy shit continuing to happen because they like

(46:48):
MESSI shit, you know, because that person might not like
either one of you, so he wants to keep his
two enemies hating each other so they can fight the
battle that he or she wants to fight for. Themselves,
but they're not brave enough to do it. So I
think sometimes you just got to have that approach where
you just have to sit down and have that conversation.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
If we don't agree with.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Things, though we bring it. Like you mentioned the ego
of you, we take a fence.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Sometimes you can take offense to things that have nothing
to do with you, and I think that's one of
those things that people, Oh gosh, I hear in LA
so much, right because you may know of someone or
you know, people feel like they know you because they
scroll on social media and you've never seen this person
before in your life, and so they have a rapport
or relationship or familiararity with you in their head. I

(47:32):
used to get that a lot on local news in Birmingham,
where they feel like I'm their best friend and I'm
just at Walmart. So when you come up and you're
talking to me, it's like, I'm probably not gonna be
as warm as fuzzy as you would have hoped. But
it's not because I'm not nice, it's not because I
hate you. It's just because, oh, okay, you know, I'm
getting tampons right now. I didn't know we was about
to have a conversation right this second, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And so you know not to mess with you because
you know, I'm just saying that.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
It's like you can stop there, and you can stop there,
all right, there's the of it. People.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Sometimes when I was a publicist for professional athletes, people
might not have the interaction they wanted with that athlete,
but they don't notice they pushed this kid out the
way or stepped on his white foot to say, hi,
you're my favorite player.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
And so I think sometimes in.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
Those horrible first impressions of those bad interactions, a lot
of times you do have to check yourself, your own
what you brought to it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Are you wronged all the time? Are you victimized all
the time?

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Is your ego saying, hey, they should be excited to
meet me too? And I think sometimes that is how
grudge is prolonged. So if Mello comes into the league
and this guy says he's overrated Mello's own self confidence
in his talent, that would be not even a real statement.
You know what I'm saying Like that ain't even nothing
to say. I know who I am, I know what
I can do, I know what I'm going to do.
So someone calling me overrated is not gonna be something

(48:47):
that I'm gonna remember twenty years later. And I think
those are the moments when you look and say, you
know what, this person said this to me, and based
on what I brought to it, I either fed that
negativity or I don't even remember that, you know somebody.
I've had people come up and apologize for things that
I don't even remember happened or that they did, and
I'm like, oh, okay, well I don't even know about that, but.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Thank you, you know.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
But I'm really I'm like I said, it's a funeral
for me.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
If you don't have the vibes, if you don't have
the energy, if I can tell you don't love yourself,
I know you can't love me.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
It's just not something I'm engaged with and it's not
gonna be something to be talking about twenty years ago.
I think George Carl in this particular scenario is wrong
because he was the authority figure. He was the person
of authority and instruction and guidance. So I think him
feeding into it is it's a bad on him. I
understand why Mellow will remember what he was told by

(49:40):
his first coach, but for the coach to still be
making digs and trying to make this kid feel something
with this man feel something. It's crazy, that's the thing.
And funeral, Let's have more funerals.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yes, no, I mean like I'm a peace of love.
I'm not gonna kill you.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Let the situation be dead, Like you don't have to
keep something that could just be dead a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Well, this is where we live, and we live in
a message society. We got to do it.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I mean, we're talking about it, right, this is what
that's what I got, the clicks, that's what we're talking about.
That's why we talked about this podcast. It's unfortunate. This
is the way of the world.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Now. You can look thirty years ago, see how TV was.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Somebody put up a clip when what's that boy's name,
Polly Shore was on television in Dallas and he said
something about having a boner and the anchors like scared
as hell, didn't say anything. Nobody was like. It was
almost like they wanted to go to break because they
were so afraid.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
You say that. Today, everybody's gonna laugh and joke about it.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
The anchor is gonna be like, because you can get
away with it because things and times have changed. Man,
We're in a very sensational society where it's all about
click bait. It's about how can I say something to
make somebody else come down? How can I get my
fifteen seconds and fifteen minutes of fame, How can I
get people to watch my Netflix special? All those types
of things are happening right now. So this is just,

(50:57):
once again, the society we live in. Super unfortunately, it's
super uncat.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Stop that we can tell you. We'll just say stop that. Okay,
I would like to start stop that. This is my
stop that, uh, stop taking people's lives. Personally, I think
a lot of times I have found that I get
invited to stuff that I can't go to, I don't
want to go to, or I'm not able to go
to for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
And so when people say, oh, I missed you at.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Such and such, I am grateful I was invited, I
am thanked, I'm thankful I was missed. But also you
have to know that for whatever reason I wasn't there,
you shouldn't make it a thing about you. It's not
a relationship thing. People say you didn't come to my event,
it's like, oh I had a show that night. It's
not personal, you know, And so I feel like I've
been having to defend against why I haven't come to

(51:46):
certain things recently. And the other part of that for
me is I have a friend. She's taking care of
her parents, she's a single mom. She apologizes when she
hasn't called me.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
No, I'm a girl. Don't you ever apologize? You called
me when you can.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
I know you have a whole life, a whole bunch
of responsibilities, a whole lot of challenges. So I want
more people to stop taking people's absence from your life
as a personal dig. Life is lifing for all of us.
It might be a season of depression, grief, financial hardship, confusion, horrible.
You know, it's a lot of things. Why someone might

(52:20):
not show up. You don't automatically fall to the worst thing.
It could be that it's personal and they don't care,
love and support you stop that.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I was really getting upset because you want to come
to my game nights like you on the first day
you came to town, you came game.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Been the worst since. But that's okay.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
And then you want and you know what, and you
know what, let me say this.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Mike's game nights are great.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
They are wonderful, lots of fun.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I've been to a couple, but you generally have them
at what time?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Sunday club until ten?

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Yeah, okay, And so I generally work until five o'clock.
And as I've told you, hey, I'm gonna try to
come back right after work. But sometimes a lot of
times have shows on Sunday night. And so when I
get off at five and I have a show at seven, yeah,
I'm not gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I appreciate it. Well, the effort is on, man, the
invitation will always be there.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
My stop, daddy, you would always be coming to your
old parties, and so I'm good on that.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
You got to tell me what to do is because
you know.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Now because I am I told you the story, Well.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Tell me again because in the reminder, because you know.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Sometimes uninvite him. I mean, it's an open game night.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
If it's somebody like if it's like that, and it's
somebody that you feel uncomfortable with, there might be other
people who feel uncomfortable with this person. And a lot
of times a lot of people that are invited there
I don't know them.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
You know what I mean because it's like the city
wide think.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
So if I don't know them, I can tell them, hey, man,
you can't come back because I can change.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
I could just not come.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Okay, but I would want you to be there anyway.
I hope you there. Stop that.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I think there are a lot of people that are
getting a lot of notoriogy right now, a lot of exposure,
getting a lot of great things that are coming to them.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
I call that favor other people calling it gay, and
I hate that. Stop that.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
A lot of people out here a feeling like because
somebody is getting on like Shannon Sharp is getting all
these interviews with on Club, Shayshale, whatnot, and he's getting
his notorize, he's the biggest sports figure out there. When
it comes to that hot shows whatever, people are coming
on there, they call him a MESSI that you're starting
to use terms that just are not.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Cool to use. Man, Let's stop that.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Let's stop looking at other people's success and feeling like
they had to do something in order to get it.
They didn't have to wear dress to get it. They
didn't have to be gay, didn't have to be in
the back room with somebody doing something. The fairies with
somebody to get that.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
Maybe they're just good, maybe they just maybe it's just
their time. Maybe God just wants to show favor on
somebody and just give them an opportunity and let them
have that time instead of like trying to tear them
down or look for reasons as to why they're getting
et success by calling them names that are unsubstantiated or
or are basically seeing they're any illuminati which you haven't seen,

(55:13):
if it really truly exists or whatnot. Why don't you say, hey, man,
it's applaud that brother, this's applaud. That's just a list, applaud.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Just do right here. It's just time. What's for him,
it's for him. And when I get it, if I
get it, that's fine. If I don't want to get it,
then that's fine. If people are telling me I gotta
do this, do it, okay, you don't have to go
through those back doors whatnot. But at the same time,
let's stop looking at other people's success and trying to
bring them down based on something that you have no

(55:39):
freaking idea what you're talking about when it comes to that.
So let's please stop tearing each other down. Let's build
each other up.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
You know, I think it's a newer trend for that
to be the insul or the insinuation for men. But
you know, it's always been implied for women if they
got successful, that they must have slept their way to
the top, or for a black person they must have
been a firmative action higher. And so this is I
think just the next wave in questioning people's talents, abilities
and opportunities.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
So yes, stop that, do you work?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And by the way, you know, being called gay and
the insult, I mean, it's like, I guess the next wave.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just want to clear that episode.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
It's like but it's like they look at it and
they want to say it's a dig or an insult
or whatever, because you know, it's a man, and like
you don't know that man sexual who cares?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Who the hell cares? At the end of the day, man,
just do you and let them do them. Uh you
know what. Continue to subscribe.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Thank you everybody for listening and watching the podcast down
there being that, uh this has been episode number eleven,
Episode twelve.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
We back next week.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
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