Mike Hill and Eunice Elliott discuss the impact of the Detroit Lions' playoff win, the emotional journey of QB Jared Goff, and why so many Black shows are being cancelled, most recently Issa Rae’s “Rap Sh!t”. Finally, the hosts scrutinize Tristan Thompson's suspension from the Cleveland Cavaliers, questioning the parallels between his on-court and off-court actions.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the inflection collective part for us, A connected, reflective, perspective, perspective,
defensive shad no captain's big facts of kickback.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here there, what up?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We are back for another edition of the Done There
Been That Podcast. I am your host, Mike Hill, but
I am not alone, as always, joined by the wonderful,
the talented, the beautiful miss Unis Elliott.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What's going on you? And this?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh? Not much and everything all at the same damn.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Time, all at the same time. I'm good, I'm good.
Before we get to that. We gotta get some administrative
work real quick. Please, thank you everybody for tuning in
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
We are growing substantially from what.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I honest, we are definitely growing. Thank you for the support.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, so obviously we're hitting a nerve or two right there,
and that's going to get.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Us right into where have you been? What have you
done since last week? Uni? And I know you've been
fighting off the Swifties.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I've been fighting off the swifties for the past week.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
First of all, of course, thanks for at least checking
out the clip and to comment. But we had we
had a conversation last week about Tony Dungee's feelings about
Taylor Swift's presence at the Kansas City Chiefs games. So,
but the clip that was shared on social you know,
we can't complain about clips being taken out of context
because obviously it's a clip, and that's just the definition
(01:39):
of a clip. It's out of context sometimes or there
is no other context. But anyway, I made the comment
with that particular clip that people were responding to was
me talking about Taylor Swift at the games and how
I felt it was a little high schoolish. But then
I went into talking about Taylor Swift herst persona and
my opinion of it. Those were two different concepts and
(01:59):
thought a lot of people's comments were about you know,
I'm sixty five year old and I cheer at the
games and all the men are cheering at the game.
It was not about her cheering at games. Who cares
about who cheers at a game?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
That was not the comment. The comment was in relation
to Taylor Swift in her entirety being consumed and perceived
as a teenager.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And it was also evident in the comments because people
were pointing out to me that I'm damn near fifty
or that I'm a grown ass woman talking about Taylor Swift, and.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I'm like she is as well.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So it's not like I'm if I say something about
Taylor Swift that is not punching down anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I can't reach Taylor to punch her because she's the
most popular, most one of the most successful, smartest, shrewd
calculated business women on the planet. But people do not
appreciate women for being that. But we will.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Honor and protect perceived innocence and not avity. And I
feel like she captured her lightning in a bottle from
when she first got into the industry as a teenager.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And there are a lot of artists who started as.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Teenagers who have grown up and their image and music
has grown up with them as all of us grow up.
That doesn't mean you don't have fun, That doesn't mean
you don't cheer in football games. That don't mean you
don't get excited about your boyfriend and do whatever you
want to do. Who cares, You're grown up, Do whatever
you want to do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I was talking more.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I was talking in my entirety about Taylor Swift's image
as the teenage girl who's never been kissed, when literally
she has kissed some of the hottest dudes on the planet.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And talked about it and talks about it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Tay million dollars, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So it was the comments proved my point that for
whatever reason, she is put on a pedestal to be
protected and she's a victim, and it's like, y'all, this
woman is winning on all cylinders that we know of.
What is this victim teenager? We must protecting that everyone
participates in right. And I also want to add, because
(04:04):
she is such a smart business woman, I believe every
time the camera is on her at those games, a
lot of times people say Taylor doesn't have anything to
do with them putting the camera on her. They have
because again, done there, been there. I have worked for
an NFL team and a network, and I know that
you have pre production meetings and you talk about who's
gonna be in attendance at the game, how you're gonna
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shoot the game. Stories you want to highlight in the game,
human interest stories, you talk about everything. That game is
not just casually happening in real time. Every shot is
plotted out and planned. And because Taylor has been such
an asset to the NFL, maybe I think one of
the last market reviews I read one hundred and twenty
two million dollar valuation for the impact she has not
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on the NFL just since she's been hanging out. I
believe she has a deal with the NFL directly to
get paid every time they do cut away to her,
And that's why it feels like a performance. Who cares
she's I'm happy for her. I would never be jealous
of anyone doing anything great. If anything, I'm inspired by
people who do things great, And so people who offer
(05:08):
back that you're jealous because you have made astute observation
are weird.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
First of all, I don't think you said anything that
was that wrong. I mean, I know I was kidding
around last week because I knew that once.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
You saw it going like that was the joke, because
you know, you can't say certain things about certain people.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And that's why I put the helmet on. That's why
I knew it was coming. That's why I started looking down.
Because if you say anything, that's what the word fanatic
comes from. It's more than just a fan, it's a fanatic,
and people take a negative connotation to that. Take it
how you want to. But anybody that is popular that
out there, whether it's Taylor swift with or Swifties, Beyonce
with her beehive, Rihanna with her Navy, anybody out there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It could be in the world of sport, Barbie's with.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
A Barbie's, even the Laker fans when it came to
Kobe Bryant when he played.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If you are a fanatic.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Of somebody, you can say ninety nine great things out
of one hundred about that one person, if you say
one semi critical thing about them, you are a.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Hate observational thing, not even critical, just an observation.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Or just like you said, an observation that is not
in line with how they look at that person. If
it is something that is not totally one thousand percent positive,
where you gotta be a fanatic yourself, you are going
to get that heat. And that's exactly what happens, and
that's why they call them the swiftiest That's why they
call them the behive. That's why you see them anytime
you say anything negative bout me. I love them all
(06:36):
and I want them all to win. But I get it,
and now I agree with you. I don't know about
her getting a certain amount of dollars for every cutaway,
but she knows.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
She is a shrewd business woman, and she knows what
she's doing up there.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
What I hate about the whole thing, and that came
out of that, was when they did this wag surf
and then all of a sudden they got these articles
being written about, Oh, this new phenomenon that the Kansas
City Chiefs and the Swifties are now they've invented. I'm like,
excuse me, even though what they were doing was not
the swag surf.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't know what the hell it.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Was inspired by. Inspired it was the lag It.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Was a lag turf, whatever the hell that was. That
was actual event, actual events, whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was identifying as the swag surf, but it was
not the swag surf.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But see, I hate when things like that come out
where we've done something for so long and then somebody
like her does it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Who you know popularly introduced it to another.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Culture, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh,
this great phenomenon that was invented by her or somebody else. No,
she loves it. You know who else loves it? Patrick
Mahomes's wife loves it. She loves it, She loves the attention,
and anybody else that is in that box right now.
So look, just enjoy it and flee.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
My comments were not about enjoying yourself at a football game.
I mean, Jason Kelsey has one fan of the Year
because I'm sure he enjoyed supporting his brother even though
he an NFL player or maybe form an NFL player
himself at this point. But so my comments were not
about she should act like an old person at games that.
It was about Taylor Swift in her entire stay.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And guess what. Guess what.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
We've also said the same thing about Drake when he's
at course out of these games, we.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Say, like a bad luck charm for any sport team.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We people say that if he gets the same criticism.
So please look, we love these people, we want them
to win. There is nothing negative being said about them,
but we also know that they got the fan base
that will come for you if you say the wrong
things about it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Now we're gonna move onf for this, but I want
to say this one thing.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Because Mike is a high performing successful person, because Unice
is a high performing successful person, when we make a
comment or observation.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
That's not jealousy.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We already have a respect and a knowledge of what
it takes to do something well because we've done things well.
And so when we see people doing things well, there's
nothing negative to say about that person. But you can
have opinions and observations that you share on your podcast.
Please subscribe exactly, And that's what we're here.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know what this week, what you've been doing this week.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I've been you know what, I've been really a low profile.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I've been doing some open mics, trying to you know,
enhance that craft, trying to make things. I'm trying to
get to your level. I mean, I see what you're doing.
I really love and enjoy what you're doing. No, you're
doing You're doing your thing. I'll give you your props, uh
and making things happen. But I've been low profile, been
doing my game nights and whatnot. I've been fighting off
for cold, So I really need.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
To try my energy. I don't know, I got some
got some different ship inside me. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, I'm just saying it's some stuff that's out there.
But it's like a lingering cold that's been along for
a while. So I've been congested for a while. But
it's all good. But I'm looking forward to this show
man speaking of excellence, A team that and this is
another fan basis out there, and I got to give
it up from Detroit Lions fans because Detroit Lions fans
through thick and thin, through the negative times, and they
had a lot of negative times. They've been some die hard,
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bona fide fans.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
And a Detroit Lions fan today, we know you've been
through it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You've been through it, you've been through it, and now
they are finally here. They are one win away. Can
you believe this? One win away from.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
After knocking off Tampa Bay at home, They've won two
playoff games for the first time in what sixty six years,
units they're in the NFC Championship Game for the first
time since nineteen ninety one. It is amazing to see
what they've been able to do. One win away, and
then Baltimore's also one win away from going to the
super Bowl. So can you imagine how black Vegas will
(10:38):
be if Detroit and Baltimore get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Were gonna see some now.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Later game it's lacks, it's gonna be some kanyak, it's
gonna be some cigar smoking and some other kind of smoking.
It's gonna be a lot of blackness in Vegas if
Detroit and Baltimore get to the super Bowl on Super
Bowl Sunday on February eleven. But shout out once to
get to Detroit lines we're getting there, and Jared Golf, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So it's interesting because when you talk about the AFC
Championship Game or even the AFC Championshipship Game, I.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Actually have very fond memories of.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
That particular weekend because when I was with the Titans,
that was the Music City Miracle got us to the
AFC Championship Game. And when I just think of that,
you know, championship weekend leading up to the super Bowl,
I probably have fonder memory memories of that than the
super Bowl because we did go to the Super Bowl
and lose, So I probably have a higher affinity. But also,
(11:34):
I am one of the few people in the world
who has a game ball from the AFC Championship game.
Really gifted me with an AFC Championship game ball.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They played Jackson.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I'm sure a wonderful producer has already shown y'all that
picture by now, by the time I've said that, it's on.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
This Yeah, it'll be up on the screen. They did
a great job of doing that.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
When it's one of my prize possessions is my age.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But you know what I was there.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I was there for the Tennessee Titans that year covering
the team. I was my last year in Tennessee, going
let's go back to that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Mike was in Nashville doing sports working for the Titans.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, for the Titans.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And that's the first time I actually met you, even
though I had heard about you when I knew your sister.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
First time I met you, Tony Wilde introduced us. He
was working for the Tennessee Titans. I was that first
year actually being the Tennessee Titans. They had changed uniforms
and everything. They used to be the Tennessee Oilers. So
it's going to be incredible. And I remember the Music
City Miracle. Shout out to Frank Whitechak who just passed
away as a matter of fact a couple of months ago. McNair,
who we don't have anymore. Ye all those guys part
of that team. Whatnot, Eddie George, you just had hip
(12:33):
surgery at Tennessee State or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So they had a phenomenal team. That was great memories.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But it was good to see them actually do that,
and nobody really expected it out of that team that year,
just like nobody expected out of Detroit Lions. Like are
there things in life that we look back on like
we just never like having a black president.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I never expected to have a.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Black president in my lifetime, and then to have a
black president followed up by a reaction show president. Never
expected that in my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I used to do a joke about that.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I used to say that when Barack Obama got elected president,
you were like, Wow, anybody could be president. And even
though Hillary didn't win, but she got the nomination, it
was like, Wow, anybody could be president. And then when
Donald Trump won the election, it was like, wait, so
anybody could be president.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Your dreams can't come true? Yep, you tell your kids
at a young age. Your dreams can't come true. Man.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
But it's amazing what I like about the Detroit Lines.
And it's like they've been under Dolph for so long.
They've had this, like you said, this, this fan base
that's been long suffering. But they also have a quarterback
over there, Jared Golf. If I shout out to man,
this guy led the Rams to a Super Bowl a
couple of years ago and then was told basically he
wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
He was pretty much thrown away.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He was traded for Matthew Stafford, who led the Rams
to a super Bowl. When he was trading, it looked
like it was a bad trade at the time. But
all Jared Golf has done when nobody believed in him
is that he believed in himself. And I love that
as a narrative for everybody's life because I think we've
all been there.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We talked about done there been that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We've all been there before where somebody said, hey, you
know what, for whatever reason, we don't necessarily think you're
a fit here anymore, or you're not good enough, so
we're going to move on. And a lot of times
that can devastate you. I've been there plenty of times
in my career. But what I've been able to do
and learned to use it as fuel to not necessarily
(14:27):
get bitter or whatever. And you get the bitterness you
get in your feelings sometimes, but at the same time,
you use it as fuel to move on, to show
them and to show yourself that you do belong and
that no matter what they felt about you, somebody's gonna
appreciate what you bring to the table and give you
the right platform and give you the right type of
(14:47):
identity for yourself so that you can move on to
be the best person that you can possibly in your profession.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And you know, I mentioned we are high performing people,
but that means we've had a lot of rejection.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, that means we've had some big failures, some big missteps.
I have had to take the mindset and I learned
this many many, many years ago. There was a job
at Nike, actually in public relations that I wanted so badly.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
This is twenty some years ago, and.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I applied and had like the first interview, and I
mean I just knew this was it. And when I
did not get that job, I was literally devastated. But
I saw something around that time that helped me turn
around my devastation at rejection or redirection, and it was
that means it's something bigger and better for me. So
let me not mourn what I didn't get. Let me
(15:33):
get excited and be ready for us. I couldn't even
dream what could have been better than that, And I
would say that I have not. I don't think that's
not the job that got away, you know, I don't
ever think about that time and say, man, I wonder
what would have happened what I ended up doing instead
in his totality, because I ended up doing a thousand
other different things. I'm like, Okay, that's how that was
supposed to go. Being out here in Los Angeles, submitting
(15:55):
for roles and auditioning and even trying to get representation,
all these things where people like, well, and yeah, it
does motivate you to say, oh you go eat your words.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Or yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, you know what.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
But it's also like, hey, well then that was not
for me.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Then I'm gonna keep it moving and be ready for
what's even better exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And sometimes God, you know, I believe in God, even
though I don't act like Sometimes I believe in God
I have a good spiritual pace. I do, I really do.
I know the word. I know the Lord loves me,
and I love the Lord. I do, I really do.
But you want to go places, and you want to
be places where you appreciated and not necessarily tolerated. You
know what I'm saying, Like you don't want to be
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somewhere where they don't necessarily believe in you. You want
them to believe in you as much as you believe
in yourself. And you should have a high belief in yourself.
I tell you the story about when I was in
Dallas and got fired in Dallas the best thing that
ever happened to me in my career. Because I had
not been fired in Dallas, I don't have been content
with being a local sportscaster on the weekends for a
guy who really didn't appreciate me.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Had had not gotten fired in Dallas and gone.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Through what I went through, it would never open up
the door for me to go to eat ESPN, which
catapulted my entire career when I got let go to
ESPN with the contract situation that I had at ESPN.
Had I not let go to ESPN at that time,
it would not have opened the door for me to
be able to come here to La where I've had
the ten best years of my professional life since I.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Have been there.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So sometimes when you have be rejected, you thinking you
think of it as a burden. But a lot of
times I always say this, your burdens always turn out
to be blessings.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
If you use the lessons that you learn in.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That rejection the right way, that will help you move
forward in your life to be the best person that
you can possibly be in your professional in your personal life.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And it has definitely helped me.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So shout out to Jared Golf once again for taking
that and not only just being.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Shout out to everybody who fired Mike Hill because he
just gave us.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
A list fire me again. I want somebody else to
fire me, like here's the thing and know its seriously,
you know. But you know what's crazy. What's crazy about
that is when I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Was in Dallas, the guy that fired me, and you know,
I'm not going to say his name or whatever, but
we went through a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's in my book and open mic.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was a lot of racial stuff that was going
on and all that type stuff which I've dealt with
my child career.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I understand that, but he told me something that resonated
with me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The best thing he told me said, Mike, your your
career is not going to get started until you get
until you get fired.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
When you get fired, that's when your career starts.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that actually I look at that and I think
about that right now, and I'm like, you know what,
he was absolutely right because once again, a lot of
times you and as you know this, we get super
comfortable being in an environment which we don't belong in,
but because it's our job, because it's like it's a
steady income, because okay, the people treat you fairly for
(18:47):
the most part, you just kind of stick in it
and you don't even think about what might be coming
up next.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I mean, you have.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Ambition that everybody else thinks you're having a great time.
I call it the golden handcuffs. You're stuck, you're prisoner,
but their gold. Right now, I will say, I've never
been fired, but I am very good about quitting, right,
I am very proactive. I'm like, you know what, this
is a third write up. I'm about to go, there
you go, there you go.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
But still that's the motivation, right when you already see
the writing on the wall or whatever. There's that motivation
for you to move forward and say, you know what, hey,
before you let me go, let me get the hell
up out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
For me, it's like when I am being challenged, especially
say an employment opportunity, when it starts that writing on
the wall. At that moment, it's not even that I'm
gonna quit because I think you're gonna fire me. I'm
offended because I know who I am and what I
bring to the table, so whatever it is is can't
be based in truth. So I'm offended that y'all trying
(19:46):
to act like I'm not coming in here doing an
amazing job, you know what I'm saying, But I will.
I do want to say, for the record, I've never
been fired. I have gotten Hella knows. I've had a
lot of auditions, and I have gotten Hella knows. Helenos
you're not fired, well, you know, I haven't been canceled.
I haven't been canceled.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I used to I used to be I used to
be embarrassed to say I was fired, But now I'm like,
this is part of the business.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Every shit, even a smith's been fired. I mean, some
of the.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Best Shannon Sharp, the biggest names in our industry right now,
they have been fired before. So let's move Hey. Speaking
of that, man, I like what you did. You're talking
about being you haven't been canceled at Look.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
At that whole segue.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
This is this is why you're so great, because you
understand the world of television and all that great segue.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're talking about canceled shows.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The show Rap Shit Eastern Rays show, you know, it
just got canceled after two seasons. It was good and
good I was it was getting good reviews for one
to understand from season one. But it's a ton of
black shows that are out there that got canceled as well.
The Wonder Years, Grand Crew, which was a really good show,
Black Ladies, Sketch Show, Winning Time, which was on Showtime,
(20:55):
which I used to watch all the time. All these
black shows seem to be getting canceled. You're in the industry,
you're at TMZ all the time. Do you think there
is a reason behind black shows like white shows get
canceled all the time too, But when you're talking about
representation and us needing more good black shows on television,
why do you think that we can get the shows,
(21:17):
but we can't sustain the shows and keep them on
the air.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So I probably have a unique view on this. There's
a lot of shows that got canceled, a lot of
black shows. But you also have to think, because there
aren't a lot of black shows on the air to
begin with, that when several get canceled, that ratio feels
like it's much higher than everybody else. So it already
ain't a lot of black shows, so it might not
(21:42):
even be that many that got canceled, even though you
gave a nice list based on how many shows are
on the air that got canceled altogether what you would
call a non black show. I also don't like that
a lot of times the onus is put on black
people to watch black shows. I mean, hopefully it's a
good product that anyone would enjoy. The shows do you
love and watch that ain't got no black people on it?
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But that's also our conditioning into society that we seek
out entertainment. We don't necessarily seek out people that look
like us, because for so many years that wasn't even
an option.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
So I think, whereas we support all things regardless of
the color, you know, we invite people to the cookout.
None stop.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Okay, But I think what is happening is not so
much that black folks aren't watching black shows.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's either black shows aren't connecting to other audience, which
is again a bigger nuanced conversation. Maybe the advertising, the marketing.
A lot of these shows a lot of people hadn't
heard of. A lot of them are on premium subscription streamers,
so I think you have a lot more options to consume.
I think everybody has a streaming platform and everybody doesn't subscribe.
But I think the biggest challenge, which is a notion
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that this country, white people do not see themselves in
shows or movies that have a primarily black cast. They
don't feel inclined to watch. They feel like it is
not for them. Whereas we know Ross Rachel.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Chandler, we know all of the white counterfouts, right do
they know? And I'm just saying it just doesn't go
both ways. But that is a microcosm of society. Black
people know how to assimilate, and as I talk about diversity, inclusion, equality,
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I try to explain to my white counterparts, don't bring
me in the room to talk about black people I
can tell you more about white people than you know,
because I'm someone who has been in all spaces, right,
so I'm well versed in black people. But I also
will argue, don't ask me about no black people. We
are not a monolith. Ask me about some white people.
I can tell you about the rich ones. I can
tell you about, the poor ones. I can tell you about,
the racist ones. I can tell you about the allies.
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I can tell you about, you know, the conservatives. I
can tell you about the liberals, because I've experienced all
of them. Y'all ain't even experienced all the white people
that I have. And so I think that's just a
microcosma television.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It is, and it's a microcosmo society too, because here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
When it comes to the world, it really is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And even though we've built this country and we are
a big part of this world, it is still their world,
and we've had to engulf ourselves into their world. White
people don't feel like they need to engulf themselves into
our world, even.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Though they don't. It's not just that they don't feel
like it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They don't have to, don't they exactly, They don't have to.
Like you said, to succeed. We feel like we need
to cross over in order to succeed. But we as
black people, sometimes if we were to all of us
and get into a whole nother rabbit hole with this
stick together and came together with our marketing power, with
our spending power, if we finally came together and built
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this fish and weren't so divided or whatever, we could
take over a lot of things. And that is a
big problem with a lot of people in society. White
people know that they got to keep us separate because
they know how powerful we are together. Now, like you said,
they don't feel like they need to come into our world,
but they will take bits and pieces from our world
and bring it into their cup. We just talked about
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the Taylor Swift in the.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
It's the Coolest World, the cool world.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So they so they will take bits and pieces from
our world and then they will make it a part
of the world.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But they still won't engulf themselves in the.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You won't see Taylor with Elvis Presley.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Ye, exactly so. But they've been doing that for years, Elvis.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, but that is the blueprint.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And even specifically with black television shows, we've talked about
the CW or the WB or even Fox, uh building
their station with the black audiences and then diverting from.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And then and then crossing.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But you know, right, so so when it came to
all these shows, there are so many shows that are
out there because of the streaming, because of YouTube. People
just don't even watch television a lot these days, not
even the streamers channel.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They watch YouTube channels. They watched the podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
There are like so many options, TikTok, Instagram, they watch
anything except television these days. There's so many options that
it's kind of hard to keep that audience. That's the
one thing you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
The marketing.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
This is something when we're talking about done, there have
been that. I've been there before. I was on the
Black News Channel. People asked for Black news. People were saying, hey,
CNN doesn't represent us, MSNBC doesn't represent us. Fox dudes,
damn show to represent us?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Whatnot? We need something that is our own.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I was a host a CV morning show host on
the Black News Channel, which gave us our black stories,
talking about our community, talking about our issues and our triumphs. Whatnot.
Guess what, Nobody watched that shit. Nobody watched it. You know,
when the Black News Channel actually started trending, when people
actually started talking about the Black News Channel the.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Day they say everybody was fired.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, yep, when it was canceled.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
But I would like to say I was a guest
one morning on your morning Black News Channel.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yes, I watched it that day. I watched it that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Day that day.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
But what I'm saying is like you watched it because
you knew me, and I invited you on the show
to come on talk about you know, comedy and all
that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So we did all that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
But when you're talking about marketing and putting it out
there and people knowing about it, I had so many
people hitting us up on Twitter. Oh I didn't even
know this existed. We didn't even know this existed or
whatever and stuff like So it could have been a
better job when it came into marketing. But at the
same time, when you ask for stuff, and this is
while disagree with you slightly, when it comes to that, yes,
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we need white people to cross over and watch all
black shows. But if you're black and you're asking for
good quality television, whether it's scripted unscripted, whether it's a
news show or whatever, it's a reality show, whatever it is,
if you ask for these good shows that are representing
us in the right light and not just all the
rats shit, which there's room for the ratst shit, you know,
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believe that. But if you're asking for good quality programming
to be put on the air, we have to support it,
because you know you're not going to get that support
over there. And guess what if you start to support
it and the numbers starts showing that, guess what. White
people will be curious and they will say, well, shit,
i'm hearing all this stuff about the Wire, I'm hearing
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all this stuff about the Cosby Show, which Bill Cosby
had already crossed over a little bit. Let me check
out what they're talking about. And then they'll see that
it's not just about or for black people. It is
something that everyone can relate to and maybe they'll understand
us a little bit more. So it takes us first
to be able to go out there to support us first,
if we ask for it, and if that happens, the
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ratings go up, the ass sales go up. When the
ass sales go up, then the white people who run
these networks, these streaming channels and all that in between
and above and beyond will start saying, hey, we need
more stuff like this. Until then it's going to get
continue to get canceled, like shows like Grand Crew, which
I asked for. Good show, if you watch it, black
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people drinking wine, hanging out, friendship, black men, positive men,
not people that did drugs in jail or cheating on
their baby mamas, anything like that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Nothing like that. Great show. Good comedy canceled after two seasons.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We have never seen a show that has had all
pretty much a strong male league cast with the top
three shows with three.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Straight men. Nothing wrong with gay men, don't get me wrong,
We've seen that before.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But straight men who have had a run of a
show that has been more than five seasons, I believe.
But we've had good shows like Insecure, which was great
love that talked about living single, which was great love that,
but we haven't seen that. Grand Crew is one of
those shows that could have been there. But guess what,
people then support it and you know what happened sometimes,
unis what pisses me off sometimes is when we put
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out good shows and I'm calling out some of my people,
not all my people.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Sometimes we black people.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Some people in the black community will criticize it because, oh,
that don't represent me, that ain't me, that's born, that's
corny or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Even on reality shows.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I was married to a person who was on a
reality show, and you could call it ratchet all you
want to, but she was considered the classy one, which
she was or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Guess what she we got called boring.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That is not going to help us as a society
if we continue to have that mindset. Some of us,
not all of us. So please don't get it twisted.
I'm not calling out all black people. I just think
some of us. So we got to support ourselves if
we want others the others to come and support us.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
I agree with everything you said, but it still is
such a microcosm of the world, right because just in
today's society as far as entertainment, there's just so many options.
Then when we grew up, you know, you had four
channels and if you had cable, you know, if you
had an antenna, you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Know, different things like that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
So I just think the audience is just split across
you know, just so many different places. I also think
the audience doesn't exist like it used to I think
all the advertisers and the networks and the streamers are
figuring that out that you know what, we have the
attention span that's less than that of a goldfish, which
is less than eight seconds, right, And so am I going.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
To commit to a whole twenty two minute show, you know?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
But beyond that the challenge is again again I'm always
take it back to what's in our fabric is when
you meet one black person, you haven't met all black people, right,
the same.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
With the inverse, right.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But the challenge that black people have always had, especially
with television and movie, is how we are portrayed. Who
is this person? Why is he a maid? Why is
he a garbage man? Why is he unemployed?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Why? Mother?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Why? You know what I'm saying. And so that's just
a conversation that I don't think is ever going to end,
you know, questions about the color purple and is it
considered a success?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And people are saying, we're tired of seeing trauma. We're
tired of and I get that, right. Sometimes you support
things that you like. Sometimes you support things just because
it's your people. Sometimes you support thing because it's your friend,
not necessarily you enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
There's a lot of reasons why people do support and
don't support.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And I think it's unfair to just say black folks
say watching black shows, and as y'all's fault, all these
black shows are gett canceled.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I think it's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Contributing factors into at least this last slate of shows
being canceled.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
For sure, it's a nuance idea.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I just don't think it's just you know, one time
black folks don't support black folks.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I don't think that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And I know we support each other like I'm like,
we appreciate everybody who supports us, black, white, and different,
you know, Asian, anybody, gay, you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Straight, everything. I love it all.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So please continue to support us on the done the
podcast to throw that out there as well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But yeah, you're right, man, so we won't think about it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
So we have to say this.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Let me say what made me think of Let me
say this When you said we asked for it and
then we don't support it, you know what, it reminded
me of what's that when that dude asked you for
your phone number but then he don't call.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Okay, go on to.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
The next time, I just go to that next stopic
because I'm just saying it happens. Because when you said it,
it was like, why ask for the show and you'
know what? Why As for my phone? UM sure, if
you ain't making a plan, I'm sorry. Let's stay focused.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No, no, no, next week, next week, this will this will
be a topic.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Next week, we'll talk about that. You know what? Hey,
you know what? You know what's the one of the
longest running shows. It's on television.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's keeping up with the Kardashians, which is nice to
see what I just see. I just you threw me
an alu. I threw you an aliu. That's what I'm
talking about, bam. And it's a basketball reference.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Souit boom. Look at that.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You talking about.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Tristan Thompson just got suspended by the Cleveland Cavaliers for
twenty five games without pay for the anti drug policy,
breaking the anti drug policy. He took something that looks
like it may increase muscle games or something like that. Now,
this is why I wanted to talk about Tristan Thompson.
I am not a Kardashian watcher or fan. The only
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reason I know Tristan Thompson as a human is because
of the Kardashians. It is because he had a baby
with Chloe Kardashian.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Well, I think they have two two babies. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
I know he has he has babies. Gona be he
has at least one with him. Yeah, I think she
had a serat Okay, I don't know what her business,
But this is my question. I don't think that because
you cheat on a partner that you would cheat.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
In other ways in life.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
But does it preclude a potential foregone conclusion that if
you don't have integrity in one area of your life,
you might not have integrity in other areas of your life.
That's actually what I wanted to talk about, because it's
easy to say, oh, he's a cheater on and off
the court.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
That's easy.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
But I'm saying, as a person, do you find that
if you know that a person ain't on the up
and up over here, can you still receive them as
up and up in other areas? No?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think, yeah, you have rights of question their integrity
in a lot of ways. I can't say that, you know, Like,
obviously I've talked about my past when it came to relationships,
and all that, and how I'm trying to grow whatnot.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm not going to say it that I.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Set up here and I was always one thousand cent
on my taxes. I'm not gonna say that I was
always one thousand per cent on everything ed that.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I don't want to have to find a new co
host hit that point.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, no, no, no, that was that was ten years ago.
Can't go back more than seven years. That was more
than ten years. That was a long time ago. And
I've already been ordered it, you know, And I actually
revealed my taxes up although Donald Trump still has. Anyway,
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when it comes to Tristan Thompson, man, I think who
knows why he was doing what he was doing. As
a matter of fact, maybe it's that he's at the
end of his career when it came to this, because
this is more of a performance enhancing drug and he's
not the player he used to be, so in order
to stay around continue to make that money. There are
a lot of people in life who will do things
to enhance themselves to make sure they get that advantage
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so that they can stay around a little bit long.
We saw that in baseball, and sometimes you see other
people doing it and you're saying, well, they have an
advantage over me, and here I am trying to do
it a normal way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Bam. So let me ask you this question. Let me
flip it back on you.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So, even if you don't cheat in life, do you
consider it, Like right now, there is this whole trend
where not just women, but a lot of people out
there are using ozimpic.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
The drug.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do you consider that even though you're not going to
the gym, you're not necessarily mean you're eating less because
you feel full. I guess that's one of the side
effects of ozempic. If you're using that, do you consider
that cheating a little bit? Or if you go get
plastic surgery to get liful suction, is that cheating when
it comes to looking a certain way, or.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
You know, only cheating if you misrepresented, you know, if
you're getting surgery and then all of your content is
sharing you in the gym, Yeah, you're misrepresenting what happened.
I don't care how you lost weight. I don't care
if you do lose weight. I don't care if you
gain weight. I'm not someone I'm not a person who
cares about how much anybody you know, I think the
weight conversation in this country is so weird and gross.
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But anyway I think anything is if it's misrepresented, then
it's cheating.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Right. I don't the Ozimpic thing.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm actually working on a bit about Ocempic because you
still have.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
To be it to using Ozmpic.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I mean, I'm somebody who just I'm not a consistent
type girl.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Right, So you can give me a.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Bottle of lose weight in ten days, I'm not gonna
take them for ten days, right, I'm just not the
one that's doing using stuff as directed. So I'm saying
to even get your pounds off of oz empic, there
was still some commitment to the program, so bravo. Okay,
because that ain't gonna be me. I'm gonna take one
shot and be like, well cool, that was fun. Yeah
I took ozipic time.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We lost it.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
So I feel like, who cares how you did something?
Just don't lie about how you did it. And also,
it ain't our business how you did it.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I think that's a whole other level is hey, if
it's done, it's done, that's your business. It ain't our business.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
But when you misrepresent it, that's when Yeah, that's that's
a problem. Don't go get your butt done and then
tell me to do twenty five hundred squats to day.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, if you come back, if you come back looking
like an ant all of a sudden, like this big butt,
small head or whatever, we kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Know this and I'm talking about that thor rax be strong.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
But let me say this about Tristan Thompson and other
athletes who have gotten suspended for performance enhancing drugs, because
I've seen it up close with people on teams and people.
You know, there's a lot of different things that could
be at play when these things happen. There are always
companies coming out with new products, and sometimes these products
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have not passed certain testing and safety standards. So even
though as a professional athlete specifically it is your job
to know what you are ingesting in your body.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I do know several of them.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Trust certain people who say, no, this ain't gona show
up on this, and this ain't that, and this is
new and it's all natural. And then by time you've
taken it and you didn't failed your test, that is
on you. It's still your responsibility. But I remember being
with a team and you know what, That banned substances
list gets updated almost daily because it's something new that's
been created. Back in the day it was creating, you know,
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you know, it keeps getting in more advanced human growth, harmone,
all these different things. So I think it's a very
great area sometimes how something can show up in your system.
But for him to be suspended for twenty five games
with no pay, I don't know if he's planning to
appeal the suspension, because he does have that right. I
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feel like because he does seem to be on the
back side of his career. People don't really put a
lot of energy of focus onto the pressure of professional
athletes and whether their skills declined or injuries are an
issue or just aging out. You've been this person your
entire life. You've been known this for your gentire life.
There's a big part of the mental health component that
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plays into a lot of the things and decisions and
situations when you have used your body as your tool
for twenty plus years and then one day you can't anymore,
or you see you're on the bench more than you
used to be. So it's a whole big thing about
how people get in situations to be suspended. So I'm
not trying to dog Tristan. I don't know his personal
story and what's going on. But as far as will
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you cheat at home and at work? If you cheat
it in school, will you cheat? I do believe there
is a personality, uh you know, if you don't have
a change. I've had girlfriends that I didn't like the
way they moved in other situations in their lives, and
I was like, let me just slide over here, girl,
because I don't really fool like that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Now. I am not perfect. I am uh well, I
mean closest you can probably, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But my pain me no.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
When I mess up or do something I guess that
I would consider like wrong or bad or whatever, let
me tell you why. I still give myself grace because
my intentions were pure. They don't always turn out that way.
But if your intentions are not even pure and then
you get worse than that, then you know you're just
in a different kind of hole. I'm always trying to
do the right thing. It don't necessarily always work out
that way, and then I have to deal with what
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comes from that. But my intentions are always pure, and
I think people who know me, who have loved me,
or who have ever been around me for years. I
think that's one thing everyone would say is, Hey, I
don't know what that is you're saying about her, but
I know her intentions are pure. She don't have the memory,
the capacity of interest in trying to ruin anybody's life,
or she don't care about other people like that, Like
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she just she's trying to figure out what she gonna do.
What she said about who about She ain't talking about you.
She don't care about you like that unless it's on
the done They've been there podcast, and so it's just
it's just one of those things where because his integrity
has already been questioned in a very public way, repeated
him getting suspended for failing a drug test seems on brand.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Well, yeah, and the jokes will fly, you know that
they're coming. I'm already I'm thinking about a joke myself.
So I got a couple of things I'll be taking
on the stage myself when it comes to Tristan Thompson
over there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's cool, all right, Well stop that. It's time to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And you kind of gave me an idea, So I
want to start today because if you don't mind when
it comes to stop that, because you just said something
about like intentions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right, and I was going to have with stop that.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We're I was talking about looking at other couples and
wanting what they want. Like you know, you go out
with some other couples and you say, hey, blah blah blah,
Oh how.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Come you can't be more like him? You can't be
more like her? But I want to stop it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I want to go back to what we did last
week when it came to I was talking about God
Tori and mending friendships and all that stuff like that
before the cast came on. Hopeull you don't mind me
saying this, and if we do, we can actually edit
this out. But you say, you heard from got Tour
and he asked, you know what were brought that up?
And you know people send him the clip of me
saying that I want people to stop trying to be
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messy when it comes to certain things. When your intention
is good. There are a lot of people out there
that will look at people good people that are.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Trying to mend fensis, that are trying to do the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
But you got other people who are messy, miserable with
their lives, that will send people stuff and try and
take things out of context to try and create more drama,
create more mess or to keep things going on. And
they'll pretend to be your friend and pretend to be
their friend as well behind their back, but they want
to keep that divide going on. So I want to
say stop that. Like I said, I don't know who
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sent the clip to guy. That same person did not
send the clip to me and say that we're going
to send this clip to guy.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Obviously I don't know if I know the person or not.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
But sometimes when you know you got the phone call
from guy asking what.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Was this, let me say, God calls me every week.
We talk every single week, so it wasn't a unique
call that he called.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Okay, all right, But there are times, and there have
been times, even with me and God's relationship, where somebody
who will say things it'll take somebody of contact, or
they'll ask you a question about somebody and you'll give
an opinion about that you've probably already shared with this
person or whatever, but they can't wait to run back
and tell this person something and completely miss the tone
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or the relevance of how you answer that question, man,
So we need to stop being so excuse my language,
fucking messy because I can't stand messy ass people that
want to create and keep up drama with their lives
because their lives are already nothing but ship themselves.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
So please stop that. Yeah, I felt that, I felt
that I got it.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Yeah, but but I feel like I want to offer
you a different take on your stop that. Okay, Me
and God talked at least once a week for two
three hours at a time. He's been a great support
and friend. But you know, I've known him a very
long time as well. However, he did not call it didn't.
It wasn't in a messy way, and I don't know
that the person sent it in a messy way. And
even based on the comments, I feel like whoever sent
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it to him, it was like, oh wow, did you
see this that you know he felt bad about Yr's friendship.
So I don't know that necessarily that that was in
that way. I don't know how to get it that
way or perpetuate in that way.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
But still my point is still the same, specifically for
this case, because I didn't hear from guy and I
haven't talked to Guy, like we don't talk every week
like we used to or whatever whatnot. I actually heard
his brother hit me up Joe. I saw Joe the
other night, and Joe actually liked the you know, he actually.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Liked and their sister it as well.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Sister commented and all that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
So there's love there. But you never know how people
say it. Maybe it could have been his sistant, could
have been God, who knows. I'm just saying in general,
there are people that will run back and tell that
shit or tell that stuff to somebody, taking what you
said in a nice way or a positive way, completely
out of context to try and create more drama, start
some other drama.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I'm just saying I think that it was a sincere clip.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I feel like the comments on that clip were sincere
about the maturity and this is what we need to
see man mending.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Fences and all that.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Like I said, I talked to Guy all the time,
so when he said someone sent it to him, he
was like, I just didn't know what brought that story
up on your podcast. And I was telling I said,
all we're talk about the Fab five and all that.
So that's how so it was not in that vein.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
So okay, all right, well thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
So stop that. That's my stop that stopped that mic.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
It wasn't negative, nothing was negative about it, and he
said he would be more than happy to come on
the show as a future guest. So y'all look out
for that. We will have y'all in separate rooms.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
All right.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I really didn't have a passion to stop that. I
feel like I kind of alluded to it earlier. But
the stop that is certain terms that you might offer
someone like, hey, you're jealous because you made a comment
on something.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Stop that, because that's one hundred percent of projection.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
As I mentioned, successful people are you'll never see I
think you've said this on the previous podcast, You'll never
see a hater doing better than you.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
And so what successful people just inherently tend to not
do is hate or talk down or try to bring
anybody else down, because we all are working to build ourselves.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
We believe in karma, we believe in energy, we believe
in what you give you get back. So because I
am a successful person and working to be a successful person,
there's nothing that I would ever do to tear down anybody,
specifically a woman specifically a black woman, specifically a woman
from Alabama specifically.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
You know, I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
You have your subsetts where you're like I ain't. That's
not happening. I would never do anything to talk down
on a woman. That does not mean I get along
with all women. That doesn't mean I support what all
women do. But overall, stop thinking because someone maybe has
a difference of opinion from you, that that means they
are jealous or tearing down someone.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And so stop doing that.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
You can have opinions, you can share them, and as
I pointed out, you know, you and I get paid
for our opinions based on our background and perspectives, and
so we can have elevated, nuanced conversations versus arguing with
strangers on the internet.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And that is what we're here for. We're here to
talk about our experiences. So yeah, please stop that.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Just because somebody saying something that you don't think is
totally positive doesn't mean that we don't like the person.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Even though that scroll that scroll option is always very available.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Stop making a tax on people because you don't agree
what they said. Just I see stuff all day on
the internet that I don't agree with or I don't
enjoy it, and I just have the power to go
on to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, but you know what, I think our mind is
programmed to see the negative anyway, Like even ourselves. Sometimes
we can have a thousand comments under a story or whatever,
and we can see nine of them.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You're like, oh, we love this, this is great, that's
the best post ever. At one post like you suck Mike, Like,
what the hell is this?
Speaker 4 (48:25):
My watch? I got time today you want? Or even
when a thousand people tell you happy birthday, but you
notice who didn't tell you happy birth.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Who picture? And you know what, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
But what I have learned to do is appreciate the
ones who are there for you in the positive way.
And the ones who are negative let them continue to
be negative and miserable by themselves.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
And just because they are absent don't mean they're being negative.
You don't take other people's lives personally.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Just because your actionence doesn't mean they're being negative if
it could well could be.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Well, see I'm saying, if I'm absent from someone's life,
it doesn't mean there's any negativity involved.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
I'm just absent for whatever reason. I'm doing my own thing.
I'm focused, I'm going through my.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
Own stuff, so I don't take my friends who might
disappear when we reconnect. We ain't trying to defend our absence.
It's like, girl, I know life be life, and what's
going on with you today?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
You know that's a real friend. Those are real friends.
Those are truth.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
And and by the way, you got my number two.
You can check on me because I could be going
through some things too. I ain't always got to be
the one to reach out to you, so you got
fingers hopefully if you don't be nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Against me personally, who is he talking to?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I had some I've had some experiences over the years
that and you know.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm still going through therapy. I'm working, but I'm working
through things I can understand. I still need to heal.
The first step been Actually getting better is a hell? Anyway,
continue to subscribe to the Been There, Done, There Have
been that podcast. We're actually we got a dinner tomorrow.
Units were gonna get us.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Going out, y'all.
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you know, when we get all these views on these
little clips and these little snippets.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Share them.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Thanks, share them, because don't be a gamekeeper. Don't keep
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O lord, let me check my pockets.
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I am not alone, as always, joined by the wonderful,
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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Oh? Not much and everything all at the same damn.
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Time, all at the same time. I'm good, I'm good.
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Speaker 1 (00:56):
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Speaker 4 (00:59):
I honest, we are definitely growing. Thank you for the support.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, so obviously we're hitting a nerve or two right there,
and that's going to get.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Us right into where have you been? What have you
done since last week? Uni? And I know you've been
fighting off the Swifties.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I've been fighting off the swifties for the past week.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
First of all, of course, thanks for at least checking
out the clip and to comment. But we had we
had a conversation last week about Tony Dungee's feelings about
Taylor Swift's presence at the Kansas City Chiefs games. So,
but the clip that was shared on social you know,
we can't complain about clips being taken out of context
because obviously it's a clip, and that's just the definition
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of a clip. It's out of context sometimes or there
is no other context. But anyway, I made the comment
with that particular clip that people were responding to was
me talking about Taylor Swift at the games and how
I felt it was a little high schoolish. But then
I went into talking about Taylor Swift herst persona and
my opinion of it. Those were two different concepts and
(01:59):
thought a lot of people's comments were about you know,
I'm sixty five year old and I cheer at the
games and all the men are cheering at the game.
It was not about her cheering at games. Who cares
about who cheers at a game?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
That was not the comment. The comment was in relation
to Taylor Swift in her entirety being consumed and perceived
as a teenager.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And it was also evident in the comments because people
were pointing out to me that I'm damn near fifty
or that I'm a grown ass woman talking about Taylor Swift, and.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I'm like she is as well.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
So it's not like I'm if I say something about
Taylor Swift that is not punching down anyway.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I can't reach Taylor to punch her because she's the
most popular, most one of the most successful, smartest, shrewd
calculated business women on the planet. But people do not
appreciate women for being that. But we will.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Honor and protect perceived innocence and not avity. And I
feel like she captured her lightning in a bottle from
when she first got into the industry as a teenager.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And there are a lot of artists who started as.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Teenagers who have grown up and their image and music
has grown up with them as all of us grow up.
That doesn't mean you don't have fun, That doesn't mean
you don't cheer in football games. That don't mean you
don't get excited about your boyfriend and do whatever you
want to do. Who cares, You're grown up, Do whatever
you want to do.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How do you want to do?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I was talking more.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I was talking in my entirety about Taylor Swift's image
as the teenage girl who's never been kissed, when literally
she has kissed some of the hottest dudes on the planet.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And talked about it and talks about it.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Tay million dollars, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
So it was the comments proved my point that for
whatever reason, she is put on a pedestal to be
protected and she's a victim, and it's like, y'all, this
woman is winning on all cylinders that we know of.
What is this victim teenager? We must protecting that everyone
participates in right. And I also want to add, because
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she is such a smart business woman, I believe every
time the camera is on her at those games, a
lot of times people say Taylor doesn't have anything to
do with them putting the camera on her. They have
because again, done there, been there. I have worked for
an NFL team and a network, and I know that
you have pre production meetings and you talk about who's
gonna be in attendance at the game, how you're gonna
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shoot the game. Stories you want to highlight in the game,
human interest stories, you talk about everything. That game is
not just casually happening in real time. Every shot is
plotted out and planned. And because Taylor has been such
an asset to the NFL, maybe I think one of
the last market reviews I read one hundred and twenty
two million dollar valuation for the impact she has not
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on the NFL just since she's been hanging out. I
believe she has a deal with the NFL directly to
get paid every time they do cut away to her,
And that's why it feels like a performance. Who cares
she's I'm happy for her. I would never be jealous
of anyone doing anything great. If anything, I'm inspired by
people who do things great, And so people who offer
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back that you're jealous because you have made astute observation
are weird.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
First of all, I don't think you said anything that
was that wrong. I mean, I know I was kidding
around last week because I knew that once.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
You saw it going like that was the joke, because
you know, you can't say certain things about certain people.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And that's why I put the helmet on. That's why
I knew it was coming. That's why I started looking down.
Because if you say anything, that's what the word fanatic
comes from. It's more than just a fan, it's a fanatic,
and people take a negative connotation to that. Take it
how you want to. But anybody that is popular that
out there, whether it's Taylor swift with or Swifties, Beyonce
with her beehive, Rihanna with her Navy, anybody out there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It could be in the world of sport, Barbie's with.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
A Barbie's, even the Laker fans when it came to
Kobe Bryant when he played.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If you are a fanatic.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Of somebody, you can say ninety nine great things out
of one hundred about that one person, if you say
one semi critical thing about them, you are a.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Hate observational thing, not even critical, just an observation.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Or just like you said, an observation that is not
in line with how they look at that person. If
it is something that is not totally one thousand percent positive,
where you gotta be a fanatic yourself, you are going
to get that heat. And that's exactly what happens, and
that's why they call them the swiftiest That's why they
call them the behive. That's why you see them anytime
you say anything negative bout me. I love them all
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and I want them all to win. But I get it,
and now I agree with you. I don't know about
her getting a certain amount of dollars for every cutaway,
but she knows.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
She is a shrewd business woman, and she knows what
she's doing up there.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
What I hate about the whole thing, and that came
out of that, was when they did this wag surf
and then all of a sudden they got these articles
being written about, Oh, this new phenomenon that the Kansas
City Chiefs and the Swifties are now they've invented. I'm like,
excuse me, even though what they were doing was not
the swag surf.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't know what the hell it.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Was inspired by. Inspired it was the lag It.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Was a lag turf, whatever the hell that was. That
was actual event, actual events, whatever it was.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It was identifying as the swag surf, but it was
not the swag surf.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
But see, I hate when things like that come out
where we've done something for so long and then somebody
like her does it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Who you know popularly introduced it to another.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Culture, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh,
this great phenomenon that was invented by her or somebody else. No,
she loves it. You know who else loves it? Patrick
Mahomes's wife loves it. She loves it, She loves the attention,
and anybody else that is in that box right now.
So look, just enjoy it and flee.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
My comments were not about enjoying yourself at a football game.
I mean, Jason Kelsey has one fan of the Year
because I'm sure he enjoyed supporting his brother even though
he an NFL player or maybe form an NFL player
himself at this point. But so my comments were not
about she should act like an old person at games that.
It was about Taylor Swift in her entire stay.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And guess what. Guess what.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
We've also said the same thing about Drake when he's
at course out of these games, we.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Say, like a bad luck charm for any sport team.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We people say that if he gets the same criticism.
So please look, we love these people, we want them
to win. There is nothing negative being said about them,
but we also know that they got the fan base
that will come for you if you say the wrong
things about it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Now we're gonna move onf for this, but I want
to say this one thing.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Because Mike is a high performing successful person, because Unice
is a high performing successful person, when we make a
comment or observation.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
That's not jealousy.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
We already have a respect and a knowledge of what
it takes to do something well because we've done things well.
And so when we see people doing things well, there's
nothing negative to say about that person. But you can
have opinions and observations that you share on your podcast.
Please subscribe exactly, And that's what we're here.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know what this week, what you've been doing this week.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I've been you know what, I've been really a low profile.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I've been doing some open mics, trying to you know,
enhance that craft, trying to make things. I'm trying to
get to your level. I mean, I see what you're doing.
I really love and enjoy what you're doing. No, you're
doing You're doing your thing. I'll give you your props, uh
and making things happen. But I've been low profile, been
doing my game nights and whatnot. I've been fighting off
for cold, So I really need.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
To try my energy. I don't know, I got some
got some different ship inside me. I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well, I'm just saying it's some stuff that's out there.
But it's like a lingering cold that's been along for
a while. So I've been congested for a while. But
it's all good. But I'm looking forward to this show
man speaking of excellence, A team that and this is
another fan basis out there, and I got to give
it up from Detroit Lions fans because Detroit Lions fans
through thick and thin, through the negative times, and they
had a lot of negative times. They've been some die hard,
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bona fide fans.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
And a Detroit Lions fan today, we know you've been
through it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You've been through it, you've been through it, and now
they are finally here. They are one win away. Can
you believe this? One win away from.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
After knocking off Tampa Bay at home, They've won two
playoff games for the first time in what sixty six years,
units they're in the NFC Championship Game for the first
time since nineteen ninety one. It is amazing to see
what they've been able to do. One win away, and
then Baltimore's also one win away from going to the
super Bowl. So can you imagine how black Vegas will
(10:38):
be if Detroit and Baltimore get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Were gonna see some now.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Later game it's lacks, it's gonna be some kanyak, it's
gonna be some cigar smoking and some other kind of smoking.
It's gonna be a lot of blackness in Vegas if
Detroit and Baltimore get to the super Bowl on Super
Bowl Sunday on February eleven. But shout out once to
get to Detroit lines we're getting there, and Jared Golf, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
So it's interesting because when you talk about the AFC
Championship Game or even the AFC Championshipship Game, I.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Actually have very fond memories of.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
That particular weekend because when I was with the Titans,
that was the Music City Miracle got us to the
AFC Championship Game. And when I just think of that,
you know, championship weekend leading up to the super Bowl,
I probably have fonder memory memories of that than the
super Bowl because we did go to the Super Bowl
and lose, So I probably have a higher affinity. But also,
(11:34):
I am one of the few people in the world
who has a game ball from the AFC Championship game.
Really gifted me with an AFC Championship game ball.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They played Jackson.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I'm sure a wonderful producer has already shown y'all that
picture by now, by the time I've said that, it's on.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
This Yeah, it'll be up on the screen. They did
a great job of doing that.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
When it's one of my prize possessions is my age.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But you know what I was there.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I was there for the Tennessee Titans that year covering
the team. I was my last year in Tennessee, going
let's go back to that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Mike was in Nashville doing sports working for the Titans.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, for the Titans.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
And that's the first time I actually met you, even
though I had heard about you when I knew your sister.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
First time I met you, Tony Wilde introduced us. He
was working for the Tennessee Titans. I was that first
year actually being the Tennessee Titans. They had changed uniforms
and everything. They used to be the Tennessee Oilers. So
it's going to be incredible. And I remember the Music
City Miracle. Shout out to Frank Whitechak who just passed
away as a matter of fact a couple of months ago. McNair,
who we don't have anymore. Ye all those guys part
of that team. Whatnot, Eddie George, you just had hip
(12:33):
surgery at Tennessee State or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So they had a phenomenal team. That was great memories.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
But it was good to see them actually do that,
and nobody really expected it out of that team that year,
just like nobody expected out of Detroit Lions. Like are
there things in life that we look back on like
we just never like having a black president.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I never expected to have a.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Black president in my lifetime, and then to have a
black president followed up by a reaction show president. Never
expected that in my lifetime.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I used to do a joke about that.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I used to say that when Barack Obama got elected president,
you were like, Wow, anybody could be president. And even
though Hillary didn't win, but she got the nomination, it
was like, Wow, anybody could be president. And then when
Donald Trump won the election, it was like, wait, so
anybody could be president.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Your dreams can't come true? Yep, you tell your kids
at a young age. Your dreams can't come true. Man.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
But it's amazing what I like about the Detroit Lines.
And it's like they've been under Dolph for so long.
They've had this, like you said, this, this fan base
that's been long suffering. But they also have a quarterback
over there, Jared Golf. If I shout out to man,
this guy led the Rams to a Super Bowl a
couple of years ago and then was told basically he
wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
He was pretty much thrown away.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
He was traded for Matthew Stafford, who led the Rams
to a super Bowl. When he was trading, it looked
like it was a bad trade at the time. But
all Jared Golf has done when nobody believed in him
is that he believed in himself. And I love that
as a narrative for everybody's life because I think we've
all been there.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
We talked about done there been that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
We've all been there before where somebody said, hey, you
know what, for whatever reason, we don't necessarily think you're
a fit here anymore, or you're not good enough, so
we're going to move on. And a lot of times
that can devastate you. I've been there plenty of times
in my career. But what I've been able to do
and learned to use it as fuel to not necessarily
(14:27):
get bitter or whatever. And you get the bitterness you
get in your feelings sometimes, but at the same time,
you use it as fuel to move on, to show
them and to show yourself that you do belong and
that no matter what they felt about you, somebody's gonna
appreciate what you bring to the table and give you
the right platform and give you the right type of
(14:47):
identity for yourself so that you can move on to
be the best person that you can possibly in your profession.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And you know, I mentioned we are high performing people,
but that means we've had a lot of rejection.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, that means we've had some big failures, some big missteps.
I have had to take the mindset and I learned
this many many, many years ago. There was a job
at Nike, actually in public relations that I wanted so badly.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
This is twenty some years ago, and.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I applied and had like the first interview, and I
mean I just knew this was it. And when I
did not get that job, I was literally devastated. But
I saw something around that time that helped me turn
around my devastation at rejection or redirection, and it was
that means it's something bigger and better for me. So
let me not mourn what I didn't get. Let me
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get excited and be ready for us. I couldn't even
dream what could have been better than that, And I
would say that I have not. I don't think that's
not the job that got away, you know, I don't
ever think about that time and say, man, I wonder
what would have happened what I ended up doing instead
in his totality, because I ended up doing a thousand
other different things. I'm like, Okay, that's how that was
supposed to go. Being out here in Los Angeles, submitting
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for roles and auditioning and even trying to get representation,
all these things where people like, well, and yeah, it
does motivate you to say, oh you go eat your words.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Or yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, you know what.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
But it's also like, hey, well then that was not
for me.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Then I'm gonna keep it moving and be ready for
what's even better exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And sometimes God, you know, I believe in God, even
though I don't act like Sometimes I believe in God
I have a good spiritual pace. I do, I really do.
I know the word. I know the Lord loves me,
and I love the Lord. I do, I really do.
But you want to go places, and you want to
be places where you appreciated and not necessarily tolerated. You
know what I'm saying, Like you don't want to be
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somewhere where they don't necessarily believe in you. You want
them to believe in you as much as you believe
in yourself. And you should have a high belief in yourself.
I tell you the story about when I was in
Dallas and got fired in Dallas the best thing that
ever happened to me in my career. Because I had
not been fired in Dallas, I don't have been content
with being a local sportscaster on the weekends for a
guy who really didn't appreciate me.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Had had not gotten fired in Dallas and gone.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Through what I went through, it would never open up
the door for me to go to eat ESPN, which
catapulted my entire career when I got let go to
ESPN with the contract situation that I had at ESPN.
Had I not let go to ESPN at that time,
it would not have opened the door for me to
be able to come here to La where I've had
the ten best years of my professional life since I.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Have been there.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So sometimes when you have be rejected, you thinking you
think of it as a burden. But a lot of
times I always say this, your burdens always turn out
to be blessings.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
If you use the lessons that you learn in.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
That rejection the right way, that will help you move
forward in your life to be the best person that
you can possibly be in your professional in your personal life.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And it has definitely helped me.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
So shout out to Jared Golf once again for taking
that and not only just being.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Shout out to everybody who fired Mike Hill because he
just gave us.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
A list fire me again. I want somebody else to
fire me, like here's the thing and know its seriously,
you know. But you know what's crazy. What's crazy about
that is when I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Was in Dallas, the guy that fired me, and you know,
I'm not going to say his name or whatever, but
we went through a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
It's in my book and open mic.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was a lot of racial stuff that was going
on and all that type stuff which I've dealt with
my child career.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I understand that, but he told me something that resonated
with me.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
The best thing he told me said, Mike, your your
career is not going to get started until you get
until you get fired.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
When you get fired, that's when your career starts.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that actually I look at that and I think
about that right now, and I'm like, you know what,
he was absolutely right because once again, a lot of
times you and as you know this, we get super
comfortable being in an environment which we don't belong in,
but because it's our job, because it's like it's a
steady income, because okay, the people treat you fairly for
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the most part, you just kind of stick in it
and you don't even think about what might be coming
up next.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I mean, you have.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Ambition that everybody else thinks you're having a great time.
I call it the golden handcuffs. You're stuck, you're prisoner,
but their gold. Right now, I will say, I've never
been fired, but I am very good about quitting, right,
I am very proactive. I'm like, you know what, this
is a third write up. I'm about to go, there
you go, there you go.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
But still that's the motivation, right when you already see
the writing on the wall or whatever. There's that motivation
for you to move forward and say, you know what, hey,
before you let me go, let me get the hell
up out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
For me, it's like when I am being challenged, especially
say an employment opportunity, when it starts that writing on
the wall. At that moment, it's not even that I'm
gonna quit because I think you're gonna fire me. I'm
offended because I know who I am and what I
bring to the table, so whatever it is is can't
be based in truth. So I'm offended that y'all trying
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to act like I'm not coming in here doing an
amazing job, you know what I'm saying, But I will.
I do want to say, for the record, I've never
been fired. I have gotten Hella knows. I've had a
lot of auditions, and I have gotten Hella knows. Helenos
you're not fired, well, you know, I haven't been canceled.
I haven't been canceled.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I used to I used to be I used to
be embarrassed to say I was fired, But now I'm like,
this is part of the business.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Every shit, even a smith's been fired. I mean, some
of the.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Best Shannon Sharp, the biggest names in our industry right now,
they have been fired before. So let's move Hey. Speaking
of that, man, I like what you did. You're talking
about being you haven't been canceled at Look.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
At that whole segue.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
This is this is why you're so great, because you
understand the world of television and all that great segue.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We're talking about canceled shows.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The show Rap Shit Eastern Rays show, you know, it
just got canceled after two seasons. It was good and
good I was it was getting good reviews for one
to understand from season one. But it's a ton of
black shows that are out there that got canceled as well.
The Wonder Years, Grand Crew, which was a really good show,
Black Ladies, Sketch Show, Winning Time, which was on Showtime,
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which I used to watch all the time. All these
black shows seem to be getting canceled. You're in the industry,
you're at TMZ all the time. Do you think there
is a reason behind black shows like white shows get
canceled all the time too, But when you're talking about
representation and us needing more good black shows on television,
why do you think that we can get the shows,
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but we can't sustain the shows and keep them on
the air.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So I probably have a unique view on this. There's
a lot of shows that got canceled, a lot of
black shows. But you also have to think, because there
aren't a lot of black shows on the air to
begin with, that when several get canceled, that ratio feels
like it's much higher than everybody else. So it already
ain't a lot of black shows, so it might not
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even be that many that got canceled, even though you
gave a nice list based on how many shows are
on the air that got canceled altogether what you would
call a non black show. I also don't like that
a lot of times the onus is put on black
people to watch black shows. I mean, hopefully it's a
good product that anyone would enjoy. The shows do you
love and watch that ain't got no black people on it?
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But that's also our conditioning into society that we seek
out entertainment. We don't necessarily seek out people that look
like us, because for so many years that wasn't even
an option.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
So I think, whereas we support all things regardless of
the color, you know, we invite people to the cookout.
None stop.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Okay, But I think what is happening is not so
much that black folks aren't watching black shows.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's either black shows aren't connecting to other audience, which
is again a bigger nuanced conversation. Maybe the advertising, the marketing.
A lot of these shows a lot of people hadn't
heard of. A lot of them are on premium subscription streamers,
so I think you have a lot more options to consume.
I think everybody has a streaming platform and everybody doesn't subscribe.
But I think the biggest challenge, which is a notion
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that this country, white people do not see themselves in
shows or movies that have a primarily black cast. They
don't feel inclined to watch. They feel like it is
not for them. Whereas we know Ross Rachel.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Chandler, we know all of the white counterfouts, right do
they know? And I'm just saying it just doesn't go
both ways. But that is a microcosm of society. Black
people know how to assimilate, and as I talk about diversity, inclusion, equality,
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I try to explain to my white counterparts, don't bring
me in the room to talk about black people I
can tell you more about white people than you know,
because I'm someone who has been in all spaces, right,
so I'm well versed in black people. But I also
will argue, don't ask me about no black people. We
are not a monolith. Ask me about some white people.
I can tell you about the rich ones. I can
tell you about, the poor ones. I can tell you about,
the racist ones. I can tell you about the allies.
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I can tell you about, you know, the conservatives. I
can tell you about the liberals, because I've experienced all
of them. Y'all ain't even experienced all the white people
that I have. And so I think that's just a
microcosma television.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
It is, and it's a microcosmo society too, because here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
When it comes to the world, it really is.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
And even though we've built this country and we are
a big part of this world, it is still their world,
and we've had to engulf ourselves into their world. White
people don't feel like they need to engulf themselves into
our world, even.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Though they don't. It's not just that they don't feel
like it.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
They don't have to, don't they exactly, They don't have to.
Like you said, to succeed. We feel like we need
to cross over in order to succeed. But we as
black people, sometimes if we were to all of us
and get into a whole nother rabbit hole with this
stick together and came together with our marketing power, with
our spending power, if we finally came together and built
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this fish and weren't so divided or whatever, we could
take over a lot of things. And that is a
big problem with a lot of people in society. White
people know that they got to keep us separate because
they know how powerful we are together. Now, like you said,
they don't feel like they need to come into our world,
but they will take bits and pieces from our world
and bring it into their cup. We just talked about
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the Taylor Swift in the.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
It's the Coolest World, the cool world.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So they so they will take bits and pieces from
our world and then they will make it a part
of the world.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But they still won't engulf themselves in the.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
You won't see Taylor with Elvis Presley.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Ye, exactly so. But they've been doing that for years, Elvis.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, but that is the blueprint.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And even specifically with black television shows, we've talked about
the CW or the WB or even Fox, uh building
their station with the black audiences and then diverting from.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
And then and then crossing.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
But you know, right, so so when it came to
all these shows, there are so many shows that are
out there because of the streaming, because of YouTube. People
just don't even watch television a lot these days, not
even the streamers channel.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They watch YouTube channels. They watched the podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
There are like so many options, TikTok, Instagram, they watch
anything except television these days. There's so many options that
it's kind of hard to keep that audience. That's the
one thing you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
The marketing.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
This is something when we're talking about done, there have
been that. I've been there before. I was on the
Black News Channel. People asked for Black news. People were saying, hey,
CNN doesn't represent us, MSNBC doesn't represent us. Fox dudes,
damn show to represent us?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Whatnot? We need something that is our own.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I was a host a CV morning show host on
the Black News Channel, which gave us our black stories,
talking about our community, talking about our issues and our triumphs. Whatnot.
Guess what, Nobody watched that shit. Nobody watched it. You know,
when the Black News Channel actually started trending, when people
actually started talking about the Black News Channel the.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Day they say everybody was fired.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, yep, when it was canceled.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
But I would like to say I was a guest
one morning on your morning Black News Channel.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yes, I watched it that day. I watched it that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Day that day.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
But what I'm saying is like you watched it because
you knew me, and I invited you on the show
to come on talk about you know, comedy and all
that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So we did all that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
But when you're talking about marketing and putting it out
there and people knowing about it, I had so many
people hitting us up on Twitter. Oh I didn't even
know this existed. We didn't even know this existed or
whatever and stuff like So it could have been a
better job when it came into marketing. But at the
same time, when you ask for stuff, and this is
while disagree with you slightly, when it comes to that, yes,
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we need white people to cross over and watch all
black shows. But if you're black and you're asking for
good quality television, whether it's scripted unscripted, whether it's a
news show or whatever, it's a reality show, whatever it is,
if you ask for these good shows that are representing
us in the right light and not just all the
rats shit, which there's room for the ratst shit, you know,
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believe that. But if you're asking for good quality programming
to be put on the air, we have to support it,
because you know you're not going to get that support
over there. And guess what if you start to support
it and the numbers starts showing that, guess what. White
people will be curious and they will say, well, shit,
i'm hearing all this stuff about the Wire, I'm hearing
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all this stuff about the Cosby Show, which Bill Cosby
had already crossed over a little bit. Let me check
out what they're talking about. And then they'll see that
it's not just about or for black people. It is
something that everyone can relate to and maybe they'll understand
us a little bit more. So it takes us first
to be able to go out there to support us first,
if we ask for it, and if that happens, the
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ratings go up, the ass sales go up. When the
ass sales go up, then the white people who run
these networks, these streaming channels and all that in between
and above and beyond will start saying, hey, we need
more stuff like this. Until then it's going to get
continue to get canceled, like shows like Grand Crew, which
I asked for. Good show, if you watch it, black
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people drinking wine, hanging out, friendship, black men, positive men,
not people that did drugs in jail or cheating on
their baby mamas, anything like that.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Nothing like that. Great show. Good comedy canceled after two seasons.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
We have never seen a show that has had all
pretty much a strong male league cast with the top
three shows with three.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Straight men. Nothing wrong with gay men, don't get me wrong,
We've seen that before.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
But straight men who have had a run of a
show that has been more than five seasons, I believe.
But we've had good shows like Insecure, which was great
love that talked about living single, which was great love that,
but we haven't seen that. Grand Crew is one of
those shows that could have been there. But guess what,
people then support it and you know what happened sometimes,
unis what pisses me off sometimes is when we put
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out good shows and I'm calling out some of my people,
not all my people.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Sometimes we black people.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Some people in the black community will criticize it because, oh,
that don't represent me, that ain't me, that's born, that's
corny or whatnot.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Even on reality shows.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I was married to a person who was on a
reality show, and you could call it ratchet all you
want to, but she was considered the classy one, which
she was or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Guess what she we got called boring.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That is not going to help us as a society
if we continue to have that mindset. Some of us,
not all of us. So please don't get it twisted.
I'm not calling out all black people. I just think
some of us. So we got to support ourselves if
we want others the others to come and support us.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
I agree with everything you said, but it still is
such a microcosm of the world, right because just in
today's society as far as entertainment, there's just so many options.
Then when we grew up, you know, you had four
channels and if you had cable, you know, if you
had an antenna, you.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Know, different things like that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
So I just think the audience is just split across
you know, just so many different places. I also think
the audience doesn't exist like it used to I think
all the advertisers and the networks and the streamers are
figuring that out that you know what, we have the
attention span that's less than that of a goldfish, which
is less than eight seconds, right, And so am I going.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
To commit to a whole twenty two minute show, you know?
Speaker 5 (30:57):
But beyond that the challenge is again again I'm always
take it back to what's in our fabric is when
you meet one black person, you haven't met all black people, right,
the same.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
With the inverse, right.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But the challenge that black people have always had, especially
with television and movie, is how we are portrayed. Who
is this person? Why is he a maid? Why is
he a garbage man? Why is he unemployed?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Why? Mother?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Why? You know what I'm saying. And so that's just
a conversation that I don't think is ever going to end,
you know, questions about the color purple and is it
considered a success?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
And people are saying, we're tired of seeing trauma. We're
tired of and I get that, right. Sometimes you support
things that you like. Sometimes you support things just because
it's your people. Sometimes you support thing because it's your friend,
not necessarily you enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
There's a lot of reasons why people do support and
don't support.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
And I think it's unfair to just say black folks
say watching black shows, and as y'all's fault, all these
black shows are gett canceled.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I think it's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Contributing factors into at least this last slate of shows
being canceled.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
For sure, it's a nuance idea.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I just don't think it's just you know, one time
black folks don't support black folks.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I don't think that's the.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
And I know we support each other like I'm like,
we appreciate everybody who supports us, black, white, and different,
you know, Asian, anybody, gay, you know, uh.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Straight, everything. I love it all.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So please continue to support us on the done the
podcast to throw that out there as well.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
But yeah, you're right, man, so we won't think about it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
So we have to say this.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Let me say what made me think of Let me
say this When you said we asked for it and
then we don't support it, you know what, it reminded
me of what's that when that dude asked you for
your phone number but then he don't call.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Okay, go on to.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
The next time, I just go to that next stopic
because I'm just saying it happens. Because when you said it,
it was like, why ask for the show and you'
know what? Why As for my phone? UM sure, if
you ain't making a plan, I'm sorry. Let's stay focused.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No, no, no, next week, next week, this will this will
be a topic.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Next week, we'll talk about that. You know what? Hey,
you know what? You know what's the one of the
longest running shows. It's on television.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's keeping up with the Kardashians, which is nice to
see what I just see. I just you threw me
an alu. I threw you an aliu. That's what I'm
talking about, bam. And it's a basketball reference.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Souit boom. Look at that.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You talking about.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Tristan Thompson just got suspended by the Cleveland Cavaliers for
twenty five games without pay for the anti drug policy,
breaking the anti drug policy. He took something that looks
like it may increase muscle games or something like that. Now,
this is why I wanted to talk about Tristan Thompson.
I am not a Kardashian watcher or fan. The only
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reason I know Tristan Thompson as a human is because
of the Kardashians. It is because he had a baby
with Chloe Kardashian.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Well, I think they have two two babies. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
I know he has he has babies. Gona be he
has at least one with him. Yeah, I think she
had a serat Okay, I don't know what her business,
But this is my question. I don't think that because
you cheat on a partner that you would cheat.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
In other ways in life.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
But does it preclude a potential foregone conclusion that if
you don't have integrity in one area of your life,
you might not have integrity in other areas of your life.
That's actually what I wanted to talk about, because it's
easy to say, oh, he's a cheater on and off
the court.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
That's easy.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
But I'm saying, as a person, do you find that
if you know that a person ain't on the up
and up over here, can you still receive them as
up and up in other areas? No?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
I think, yeah, you have rights of question their integrity
in a lot of ways. I can't say that, you know, Like,
obviously I've talked about my past when it came to relationships,
and all that, and how I'm trying to grow whatnot.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm not going to say it that I.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Set up here and I was always one thousand cent
on my taxes. I'm not gonna say that I was
always one thousand per cent on everything ed that.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I don't want to have to find a new co
host hit that point.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
No, no, no, no, that was that was ten years ago.
Can't go back more than seven years. That was more
than ten years. That was a long time ago. And
I've already been ordered it, you know, And I actually
revealed my taxes up although Donald Trump still has. Anyway,
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when it comes to Tristan Thompson, man, I think who
knows why he was doing what he was doing. As
a matter of fact, maybe it's that he's at the
end of his career when it came to this, because
this is more of a performance enhancing drug and he's
not the player he used to be, so in order
to stay around continue to make that money. There are
a lot of people in life who will do things
to enhance themselves to make sure they get that advantage
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so that they can stay around a little bit long.
We saw that in baseball, and sometimes you see other
people doing it and you're saying, well, they have an
advantage over me, and here I am trying to do
it a normal way.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Bam. So let me ask you this question. Let me
flip it back on you.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So, even if you don't cheat in life, do you
consider it, Like right now, there is this whole trend
where not just women, but a lot of people out
there are using ozimpic.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
The drug.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do you consider that even though you're not going to
the gym, you're not necessarily mean you're eating less because
you feel full. I guess that's one of the side
effects of ozempic. If you're using that, do you consider
that cheating a little bit? Or if you go get
plastic surgery to get liful suction, is that cheating when
it comes to looking a certain way, or.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
You know, only cheating if you misrepresented, you know, if
you're getting surgery and then all of your content is
sharing you in the gym, Yeah, you're misrepresenting what happened.
I don't care how you lost weight. I don't care
if you do lose weight. I don't care if you
gain weight. I'm not someone I'm not a person who
cares about how much anybody you know, I think the
weight conversation in this country is so weird and gross.
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But anyway I think anything is if it's misrepresented, then
it's cheating.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Right. I don't the Ozimpic thing.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
I'm actually working on a bit about Ocempic because you
still have.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
To be it to using Ozmpic.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
I mean, I'm somebody who just I'm not a consistent
type girl.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Right, So you can give me a.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Bottle of lose weight in ten days, I'm not gonna
take them for ten days, right, I'm just not the
one that's doing using stuff as directed. So I'm saying
to even get your pounds off of oz empic, there
was still some commitment to the program, so bravo. Okay,
because that ain't gonna be me. I'm gonna take one
shot and be like, well cool, that was fun. Yeah
I took ozipic time.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
We lost it.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
So I feel like, who cares how you did something?
Just don't lie about how you did it. And also,
it ain't our business how you did it.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
I think that's a whole other level is hey, if
it's done, it's done, that's your business. It ain't our business.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
But when you misrepresent it, that's when Yeah, that's that's
a problem. Don't go get your butt done and then
tell me to do twenty five hundred squats to day.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, if you come back, if you come back looking
like an ant all of a sudden, like this big butt,
small head or whatever, we kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Know this and I'm talking about that thor rax be strong.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
But let me say this about Tristan Thompson and other
athletes who have gotten suspended for performance enhancing drugs, because
I've seen it up close with people on teams and people.
You know, there's a lot of different things that could
be at play when these things happen. There are always
companies coming out with new products, and sometimes these products
(38:24):
have not passed certain testing and safety standards. So even
though as a professional athlete specifically it is your job
to know what you are ingesting in your body.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I do know several of them.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Trust certain people who say, no, this ain't gona show
up on this, and this ain't that, and this is
new and it's all natural. And then by time you've
taken it and you didn't failed your test, that is
on you. It's still your responsibility. But I remember being
with a team and you know what, That banned substances
list gets updated almost daily because it's something new that's
been created. Back in the day it was creating, you know,
(38:59):
you know, it keeps getting in more advanced human growth, harmone,
all these different things. So I think it's a very
great area sometimes how something can show up in your system.
But for him to be suspended for twenty five games
with no pay, I don't know if he's planning to
appeal the suspension, because he does have that right. I
(39:19):
feel like because he does seem to be on the
back side of his career. People don't really put a
lot of energy of focus onto the pressure of professional
athletes and whether their skills declined or injuries are an
issue or just aging out. You've been this person your
entire life. You've been known this for your gentire life.
There's a big part of the mental health component that
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plays into a lot of the things and decisions and
situations when you have used your body as your tool
for twenty plus years and then one day you can't anymore,
or you see you're on the bench more than you
used to be. So it's a whole big thing about
how people get in situations to be suspended. So I'm
not trying to dog Tristan. I don't know his personal
story and what's going on. But as far as will
(40:04):
you cheat at home and at work? If you cheat
it in school, will you cheat? I do believe there
is a personality, uh you know, if you don't have
a change. I've had girlfriends that I didn't like the
way they moved in other situations in their lives, and
I was like, let me just slide over here, girl,
because I don't really fool like that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
Now. I am not perfect. I am uh well, I
mean closest you can probably, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
But my pain me no.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
When I mess up or do something I guess that
I would consider like wrong or bad or whatever, let
me tell you why. I still give myself grace because
my intentions were pure. They don't always turn out that way.
But if your intentions are not even pure and then
you get worse than that, then you know you're just
in a different kind of hole. I'm always trying to
do the right thing. It don't necessarily always work out
that way, and then I have to deal with what
(40:53):
comes from that. But my intentions are always pure, and
I think people who know me, who have loved me,
or who have ever been around me for years. I
think that's one thing everyone would say is, Hey, I
don't know what that is you're saying about her, but
I know her intentions are pure. She don't have the memory,
the capacity of interest in trying to ruin anybody's life,
or she don't care about other people like that, Like
(41:15):
she just she's trying to figure out what she gonna do.
What she said about who about She ain't talking about you.
She don't care about you like that unless it's on
the done They've been there podcast, and so it's just
it's just one of those things where because his integrity
has already been questioned in a very public way, repeated
him getting suspended for failing a drug test seems on brand.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Well, yeah, and the jokes will fly, you know that
they're coming. I'm already I'm thinking about a joke myself.
So I got a couple of things I'll be taking
on the stage myself when it comes to Tristan Thompson
over there.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's cool, all right, Well stop that. It's time to
stop that.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
And you kind of gave me an idea, So I
want to start today because if you don't mind when
it comes to stop that, because you just said something
about like intentions.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right, and I was going to have with stop that.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
We're I was talking about looking at other couples and
wanting what they want. Like you know, you go out
with some other couples and you say, hey, blah blah blah,
Oh how.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Come you can't be more like him? You can't be
more like her? But I want to stop it.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I want to go back to what we did last
week when it came to I was talking about God
Tori and mending friendships and all that stuff like that
before the cast came on. Hopeull you don't mind me
saying this, and if we do, we can actually edit
this out. But you say, you heard from got Tour
and he asked, you know what were brought that up?
And you know people send him the clip of me
saying that I want people to stop trying to be
(42:31):
messy when it comes to certain things. When your intention
is good. There are a lot of people out there
that will look at people good people that are.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Trying to mend fensis, that are trying to do the
right thing.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
But you got other people who are messy, miserable with
their lives, that will send people stuff and try and
take things out of context to try and create more drama,
create more mess or to keep things going on. And
they'll pretend to be your friend and pretend to be
their friend as well behind their back, but they want
to keep that divide going on. So I want to
say stop that. Like I said, I don't know who
(43:05):
sent the clip to guy. That same person did not
send the clip to me and say that we're going
to send this clip to guy.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Obviously I don't know if I know the person or not.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
But sometimes when you know you got the phone call
from guy asking what.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Was this, let me say, God calls me every week.
We talk every single week, so it wasn't a unique
call that he called.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Okay, all right, But there are times, and there have
been times, even with me and God's relationship, where somebody
who will say things it'll take somebody of contact, or
they'll ask you a question about somebody and you'll give
an opinion about that you've probably already shared with this
person or whatever, but they can't wait to run back
and tell this person something and completely miss the tone
(43:45):
or the relevance of how you answer that question, man,
So we need to stop being so excuse my language,
fucking messy because I can't stand messy ass people that
want to create and keep up drama with their lives
because their lives are already nothing but ship themselves.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
So please stop that. Yeah, I felt that, I felt
that I got it.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
Yeah, but but I feel like I want to offer
you a different take on your stop that. Okay, Me
and God talked at least once a week for two
three hours at a time. He's been a great support
and friend. But you know, I've known him a very
long time as well. However, he did not call it didn't.
It wasn't in a messy way, and I don't know
that the person sent it in a messy way. And
even based on the comments, I feel like whoever sent
(44:29):
it to him, it was like, oh wow, did you
see this that you know he felt bad about Yr's friendship.
So I don't know that necessarily that that was in
that way. I don't know how to get it that
way or perpetuate in that way.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
But still my point is still the same, specifically for
this case, because I didn't hear from guy and I
haven't talked to Guy, like we don't talk every week
like we used to or whatever whatnot. I actually heard
his brother hit me up Joe. I saw Joe the
other night, and Joe actually liked the you know, he actually.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Liked and their sister it as well.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Sister commented and all that type of stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
So there's love there. But you never know how people
say it. Maybe it could have been his sistant, could
have been God, who knows. I'm just saying in general,
there are people that will run back and tell that
shit or tell that stuff to somebody, taking what you
said in a nice way or a positive way, completely
out of context to try and create more drama, start
some other drama.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
I'm just saying I think that it was a sincere clip.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
I feel like the comments on that clip were sincere
about the maturity and this is what we need to
see man mending.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Fences and all that.
Speaker 5 (45:33):
Like I said, I talked to Guy all the time,
so when he said someone sent it to him, he
was like, I just didn't know what brought that story
up on your podcast. And I was telling I said,
all we're talk about the Fab five and all that.
So that's how so it was not in that vein.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
So okay, all right, well thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
So stop that. That's my stop that stopped that mic.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
It wasn't negative, nothing was negative about it, and he
said he would be more than happy to come on
the show as a future guest. So y'all look out
for that. We will have y'all in separate rooms.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
All right.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I really didn't have a passion to stop that. I
feel like I kind of alluded to it earlier. But
the stop that is certain terms that you might offer
someone like, hey, you're jealous because you made a comment
on something.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Stop that, because that's one hundred percent of projection.
Speaker 5 (46:21):
As I mentioned, successful people are you'll never see I
think you've said this on the previous podcast, You'll never
see a hater doing better than you.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
And so what successful people just inherently tend to not
do is hate or talk down or try to bring
anybody else down, because we all are working to build ourselves.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
We believe in karma, we believe in energy, we believe
in what you give you get back. So because I
am a successful person and working to be a successful person,
there's nothing that I would ever do to tear down anybody,
specifically a woman specifically a black woman, specifically a woman
from Alabama specifically.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
You know, I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
You have your subsetts where you're like I ain't. That's
not happening. I would never do anything to talk down
on a woman. That does not mean I get along
with all women. That doesn't mean I support what all
women do. But overall, stop thinking because someone maybe has
a difference of opinion from you, that that means they
are jealous or tearing down someone.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And so stop doing that.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
You can have opinions, you can share them, and as
I pointed out, you know, you and I get paid
for our opinions based on our background and perspectives, and
so we can have elevated, nuanced conversations versus arguing with
strangers on the internet.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And that is what we're here for. We're here to
talk about our experiences. So yeah, please stop that.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Just because somebody saying something that you don't think is
totally positive doesn't mean that we don't like the person.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
Even though that scroll that scroll option is always very available.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
Stop making a tax on people because you don't agree
what they said. Just I see stuff all day on
the internet that I don't agree with or I don't
enjoy it, and I just have the power to go
on to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, but you know what, I think our mind is
programmed to see the negative anyway, Like even ourselves. Sometimes
we can have a thousand comments under a story or whatever,
and we can see nine of them.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You're like, oh, we love this, this is great, that's
the best post ever. At one post like you suck Mike, Like,
what the hell is this?
Speaker 4 (48:25):
My watch? I got time today you want? Or even
when a thousand people tell you happy birthday, but you
notice who didn't tell you happy birth.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Who picture? And you know what, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
But what I have learned to do is appreciate the
ones who are there for you in the positive way.
And the ones who are negative let them continue to
be negative and miserable by themselves.
Speaker 5 (48:51):
And just because they are absent don't mean they're being negative.
You don't take other people's lives personally.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Just because your actionence doesn't mean they're being negative if
it could well could be.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
Well, see I'm saying, if I'm absent from someone's life,
it doesn't mean there's any negativity involved.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
I'm just absent for whatever reason. I'm doing my own thing.
I'm focused, I'm going through my.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
Own stuff, so I don't take my friends who might
disappear when we reconnect. We ain't trying to defend our absence.
It's like, girl, I know life be life, and what's
going on with you today?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
You know that's a real friend. Those are real friends.
Those are truth.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
And and by the way, you got my number two.
You can check on me because I could be going
through some things too. I ain't always got to be
the one to reach out to you, so you got
fingers hopefully if you don't be nothing.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Against me personally, who is he talking to?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I had some I've had some experiences over the years
that and you know.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
I'm still going through therapy. I'm working, but I'm working
through things I can understand. I still need to heal.
The first step been Actually getting better is a hell? Anyway,
continue to subscribe to the Been There, Done, There Have
been that podcast. We're actually we got a dinner tomorrow.
Units were gonna get us.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Going out, y'all.
Speaker 5 (49:59):
Y'all apart see some pictures, we have the Inflection Network
gathering of sorts. Uh, but don't forget you can subscribe
to the Inflection Entertainment YouTube as well as it done
there been that YouTube, and wherever you subscribe to podcasts
or listen to podcasts, it means so much when you
actually hit subscribe, not just that you go there every
week and listen, but hit subscribe, and you know what
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else would be really fun? Mike, I was thinking about,
you know, when we get all these views on these
little clips and these little snippets.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Share them.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Thanks, share them, because don't be a gamekeeper. Don't keep
all this wonderfulness to yourself.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yes, we want the word to get out about Tell
them about us. Let people know how big of a
star units Eli it is, and how big a star
she's about to be.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
You know, I'm already.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
O lord, let me check my pockets.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
I'm already there.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
You next.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I'm gonna see you next week. Everybody, thanks for tuning in.
We appreciate you. We'll see you next week. Base this election.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Collective, all of us are connected, reflective, real life perspective, respected,
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Speaker 1 (51:07):
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