September 18, 2023 • 56 mins
The girls channel Millie’s experience from this episode and discuss their own real-life experiences of living with boys. There’s a drastic behind-the-scenes story that ultimately ended in tears. Plus, a Peyton and Skills hook-up?!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me. We all about
that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them
high school queens.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
And our comic girl cheering for the rights, drama queens
up girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit
with us.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Girl drama, Queens, drama, queise drama, Queens drama, drama, Queens drama, Queens.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hillary, your hair looks so great today for our listeners.
Hillary's got her full curls happening at which I miss seeing,
and she's wearing a Whitney Houston T shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Baby, I hit the target hard. This summer target sometimes
surprises me. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Like
sometimes I'm just walking through thinking I'm gonna get paper towels,
and then I see a Whitney Houston shirt and get
totally sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Guys, we'll get into the episode. But what's with the
curly hair right now? Madd in trouble because mine's going
gray too, and I feel like it's losing a little
bit of it's lester. But your hair always looks so
great when it's curly. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's never been curlier because I'm not like coloring it.
I'm not putting chemicals on it, and so it's never
been curlier, and I don't do anything to it anymore.
I wake up and I put oil in it.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Oil.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, I put way oil in it, and that's it.
And it's just saving me so much time because with
two kids in two different schools and like full responsibilities
there and then work responsibilities, the amount of time I
used to spend blowing it out is just not there
(01:40):
right now. We might get there one day, Today's not
that day. No, not that day. Also, I feel like,
do you feel like post pandemic aesthetics have changed a
little bit where all of the really polished stuff is
like why would you do that? Like, yeah, everything's gone
a little sideways.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, we started zoom meetings and people were still dressing
up like they were at work, and then eventually it
was just full pajamas work meetings and T shirts.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I kind of love it, though, Listen, let's just get weird.
It's the exact opposite of what this episode was because
I laughed so hard at this group of women trying
to take care of babies and also throw birthday parties
in high heels. And dresses, full outfits on no sleep.
I am wearing fucking Sketchers right now. I'm wearing mom
(02:30):
Sketchers sneakers because that's what you wear when you're parenting.
Your brain's out.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I need to pull out my crocs. That's what I
was shuffling around in this morning. Yes, oh, birthday parties
and heels. Give me a break, those sweet little girls. Okay,
what do you think, Sophia? You want to read the intro?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh boy, guys, here we are. Season five, episode fifteen,
Life is Short. This originally aired April twenty eighth, two
thousand and eight. God, the era of the fancy short.
I would like I would just like to burn two
thousand and eight to the ground.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
No one did it better than you. The color of
our DVD where you're in the shorts and iconic.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Why why did we decide that was Brooks thing? Anyway?
Not the point. The snopsis of the episode is that
Lindsay retreat legs. Lindsay returns to tree Hill for Jamie's
fifth birthday party, giving Lucas hope for their relationship, I mean,
maybe false hope. Who knows Brooke and Peyton prepare for
life with a new baby. Meanwhile, Dan tries to work
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himself back into the lives of his family, ultimately divulging
a grave secret to Nathan and Hayley. This episode was
directed by our very own Paul Johansen.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yay. I remember directing this one vividly. I you do, don't, Yes,
but either there's so many like what do the kids
call them? Gifts, memes, whatever they are, there's so many
of that montage of us trying to soothe Yes that
I remember.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I just didn't realize it was Paul.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
What was hilarious is you know, like we did all
of our coverage, like doing the things being hilarious and
and then it was Angie's coverage and she didn't want
to cry, and it became a problem of how are
we gonna make this baby cry? And like her mom
came in. I remember her mom coming in and being like,
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cry baby, Like come on, you cry all the time.
Why are you not doing it right now? And I
remember Paul being like should I get in there, and
kind of oh, we'll be the situation and started trying
to be like scary and we're like, Paul, now this
is like, ah, this will be a core memory. This
baby doll. It was stressful because she didn't want to
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cry in that moment.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, I that's what I remember is that she was
actually very amused, and we were like, yeah, it's worth
like it's actually working. We're making this baby happy. And
you and and I were like what do we do? Yeah,
and the idea that you were supposed to scare a
baby felt horrible.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
We didn't want to do that. Did We just.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Like wind up leaving her alone in that crib for
a while.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Till she got her I think we might have had
to ignore she just got bored. Somebody pay attention to me.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But like making TV so dumb like that, it's like
it scripted baby cries, right, and there's no one that
thinks through the process of how are you going to
make that baby cry?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, it is like having a dog on set too,
with the dog trainers that come and they they're trying
to lead the dog around or make it do a trick,
and it just will never do it exactly the moment
that you needed to. They end up like smearing peanut
butter on your ear or something.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
No. I loved all the kid energy in this episode.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I just wanted to squeeze them. God, they were all
so cute. It was Jamie being cute with little Angie.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There was a lot of kid energy, even with million
and Mouth and Skills and all the boys.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This was fun.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Their storyline might have been my favorite thing in the episode.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I loved what was happening in that apartment.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Maybe that's what it was. It was like it was
all the home situations were figuring themselves out in this episode,
Like your house, Haley, like things are getting back to normal,
things seem healthy. Brooke's trying to figure out what her
home situation is.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Who can help the two of you in that house
with a bit I mean out loud Hillary coming around
the corner.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I do I want to sleep?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And your hair and you're just everything about you. It
was so great.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You know what I liked is that it felt like
a marriage. It felt like Peyton and Brooke were in
a marriage and like doing the whole newlywed thing. I'm like,
we're gonna figure this out. Yeah, it felt very safe
and happy to me.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I wrote down that I really liked watching us
do a buddy comedy. Like the whole opening sequence. It
was long, The two of us before it moved anywhere,
and it was so funny to me, and I was like,
oh man, this is nice. Look at us. We're not
like surviving a stalker or sobbing or hitting each other.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We're just getting punched.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We're a great time. And I like to watch it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That feels like a movie. I would like to see that.
She probably should have been done in the early two thousands,
like a female version of is it Look who's talking
with the three men and a baby? But it's three
but like bachelorettes and just girls that are like in
college and VI Beta Kappa or whatever, and they're like,
I don't know what to do with this thing.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I didn't realize how scandalous it was to see like
a really young chick with a baby, you know what
I mean. Like at the time, I didn't think there
was anything weird about it, and watching it now in
my forties, I'm like, oh my god, who would give
a baby to these children?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Ah, Eldred do that they are children.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I loved this though.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah they didn't send any instructions, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, they literally handed you a baby in the
airport and just walked off. It was just you and
this baby.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
They were like a look, by the way, not.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Far off right, Like the universal thing that every single friend,
no matter at what stage in their life says when
they have a baby, is they just let you take
it home from the hospital. They just send you home
with this baby and nobody checks on you.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And it's like, yeah, it's kind of insane. I told
you what the nurse said at the hospital. Did I
mention this? After I gave Birthers The first night in
the hospital and they bring out they roll out the
little plastic bacinet. I swear I've said this before. I'm
sorry if I have. They roll the little plastic basinet
and they pull it next to your bed and it's
your first night and they give you that little it's
like a rubber it looks like a rubber ducky with
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a oh the sneeze the hand of it, yeah, the
snot squeezer. And she hands it to me and she's like, Okay,
good luck, guys, we'll see you in the morning. And
I was like, what do I do with this? And
she said, well, if she starts sort of choking or
gurgling in the middle of the night, you just reach
over and like squeeze it and extract whatever's in her
mouth out of with this tube. I was like, Okay,
I mean, but like I just had a baby, I'm
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pretty tired. What if I am sleep and I don't
hear her? She goes, oh, well, then she'll choke. She'll
like like choke and then like cough it up and
like no, no, she'll die.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Jolie, where did you give birth? Hand over? Oh my god,
Oh my god, Joy, that's horrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's hord.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It was.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I just I just looked over it. I looked at Michael.
I was like, he was like, I'll stay awake, I'll
do the first shift. Don't worry.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
That is not normal.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What can you imagine saying that too? But but it's
true so many people, especially when you're just used to
having being around babies or I guess if you're handing
off babies to people all the time, it's just like
there you go. It's no big deal. But Brooke handled
it really well. I mean, I loved watching you go
through all the rollercoaster of emotions in this episode. But
it was NonStop. You were laughing and then crying and
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then falling over and then falling asleep and then working
really hard and then grossed out and then laughing and
crying again. It was all great.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was really super sweet,
and there was like, as much as I could tell,
this was another strike episode where I was like, oh boy,
we could have really done with just like a polish
on this script. Like the I thought the device that
you brought up Hill, the everyone exploring their home life
worked well because we kind of just had to use
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the locations we knew we'd have and make the best
of them. And so this this sort of reversion into
childhood with Jamie's birthday party setting the scene and then
Brooke and Peyton having this baby, and then the guys
trying to figure out how to grow up in their
apartment and Millie saying, no, guys, it's cool, we can
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play like kids.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As much as I had moments where I was like,
oh my god, when is this episode going to be over?
I also I also really thought it was sweet and
fun and I kind of loved it. I loved the
way Mouth sort of wrangled the maturity and then Millie
was like not so fast.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, yeah, this won me over this episode when it
started I was in the same boat. I was kind
of like, yeah, man, I got to watch a five
year old's birthday party, Like, why am I watching this
on TV?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Drama? But it did win me over for sure. And
there was so much throwback stuff in this episode. The
Facebook status mention, the charts, you know, the Macy's like
it was all just so May is still super relevant obviously,
but like there's so many other things that just felt
like a huge throwback that I kind of started to
fall in love with it.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And the story did.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I agree it needed to rewrite like a polish, but
the story did progress pretty well. Yeah, and even ending up,
you know, reminding us all the things of Dan and
ending up with Nathan and Dan having that conversation, and
I feel like there was a lot that came out
of its good.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You go from peyden Brooks place that's chaos and then
to Mouth's place, which is also chaos. But this whole
thing about like Millie's underwear, that was.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
What I was gonna say, You guys, gross.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Gross, but like very real. I mean it is very
teenage boy. Yeah, yeah, very teenage like twenties boys. But gross,
have you guys ever lived with a bunch of guys. Yes, yes,
I mean Hillary, you did with your brother's obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Even when I first moved to New York, I moved
into the dorms and I lived with like eight or
nine other girls, because the dorms where I went to
school were like sweets. So it's three bedrooms, three girls
per bedroom, and then you had like the living room
and kitchen area. So I went from living with all
brothers to like a fleet of women, many of whom
(12:50):
I'm still friends with. But it was an environment that
I wasn't totally comfortable. So I started dating this much
older dude who lived in one of these kind of
like mouth junk furgie skills apartments, and it was all dudes.
Some of them worked at MTV with me. They all
had their girlfriends come over. But the energy of living
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with all guys and being like, I'm gonna make chili,
what do you guys, I'm gonna make banana bread to
win you guys over, and then getting yelled at because
I would leave my hair in the drain, Like those
kinds of relationships really informed I think my marriage now,
like living with a lot of dudes is an important
life skill you have to navigate that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, after college, my parents were crushed. They were like,
when when will you move home for your first summer?
And I was like, I'm never moving home again. And
I moved into All my best guy friends in college
lived in this house together. There were eight of them
in a house like right off campus near usc so fun.
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Two of them were moving home for the summer and
so me and one of my girlfriends took their two rooms.
So it was two girls and six dudes in a
house and we had so much fun. But it is
it's like it's a total life lesson. And when I
think about, you know, every summer, like going to camp
and then being a camp counselor, I spent so much
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time in big groups and you know, big cod groups.
But the cabins were always groups of girls, and then
there was like groups of other people's daughters that I
was responsible for. And suddenly, yeah, I'm living in this
house and thank god I had like one other ally
to roll my eyes with to be like, what are
these idiots doing? But we were basically like the camp
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counselors for these six boys, and we had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yes, I love that you were a camp counselor. Oh yeah,
it's my favorite, And I wish I'd had that experience.
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We had that big supermoon here and I went with
a bunch of friends, Like we went out to the
beach to see it. It was like the last one
until twenty thirty seven. We were like, we got to
do something fun. We showed up to the beach and
I just like got all the bags out of the
trunk of a sh a word, what are what's in
these Mary Poppins bags?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Like why do you have all this?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I was like, guys, being a cam counselor never dies, never.
I'm prepped and ready.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's what it feels like, though you're right, it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Feels like Millie's the camp counselor.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And I also feel like our culture really kind of
romanticizes this kind of roommate situation, Like we grew up
with Threes Company, you know, the New Girl was on
the air forever, you know, Like there's a lot of
TV shows about that odd man out roommate situation that
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make it seem so fun, like so fun, And I
had forgotten that our show was in the mix. I
like that we have this little interaction because all of
these people living on their own is not realistic. When
you are in your early twenties, you're broke and you
live with as many people as possible, so you can
split the twenty different.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Ways well underwear a side. I did think that the
energy was so so cute. And when Mouth and Millie
come back from their grocery trip and they can't believe
what the apartment looks like, Lisa Goldstein made me do
(16:19):
a full spit take with did you know your couch
was brown?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I was so good.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And when he opens the cabinet and everything, including like
all the porn starts to fall out. I was like, oh,
oh boy, it was really well done.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I wonder if Paul has lived this since he was
the one directing it. Paul was like, where do I
hide my porn the kitchen cupboards.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
He's definitely lived with a lot of guys. I'm sure
he's got great stories. Yeah, he was an athlete and
the skills piece. I really like to bring in this
element of because I kind of have forgotten about that
that he was the one that led Jamie go to
the bathroom by himself at the And yeah, I had
forgotten that that was a thing. So I thought that
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was really nice.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
That worked though, because I think we'd all forgotten, but
he didn't. And isn't that real life? You know, like
everyone else is kind of like, what are you talking about, Skills,
but you can tell it's this thing that has been
kind of festering or like troubling him. He had a
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lot of work to do this episode. I thought he
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it was so much fun to watch Antoine and
I loved I loved Skills coming to see Peyton at
the office. It's like one of those things where you go,
oh yeah, when they just don't know what to do
with us and they give two of us a random scene.
But it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I love those I love that it's so realistic.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
This is when they were going to set up Peyton
and Skills getting together.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh, this was.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Because they're bringing Lindsay back and like toe in that
putting that toe in the water, and they had always
meant to hook Peyton Skills up. I was told at
the time Jump that they were going to put us
together because it was gonna piss Lucas off, like what
are you doing dating my ex girlfriend? And it was
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gonna give everyone else be the excuse of, like you've
dated everyone's ex girlfriend? What are you talking about? You know,
like there was a whole trajectory mapped out, and I'm
not entirely sure why they didn't do it. It might
have been a network note, it might have been an
availability thing, but it very much was intentional to start
putting us together and like championing one another.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wow, and then when did it switch over to Barbara
when she showed up looking hot like a snack guy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Dude, Yeah, Barbara is so hot and so funny, and
why do the writers have her being in a clown?
What was that?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This this scene with her, No, that's exactly it's not
a scene with her on her knees with the balloon
getting blown up in her face. It felt it was
such a far cry from the deb that we met
in the beginning, and so far even from the deb
that was in rehab, Like it just was completely bizarre.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I get that she's playful and you know, being goofy,
but I don't, I don't know that was weird.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, I made a note of it. I just literally wrote,
I hate this so much, but damn, Barbara commits and
makes it funny. Like Barbara is so funny. She's capable
of doing anything. But this is one of those things
where you look back on an era and you know
what wasn't being talked about in public discourse yet, and
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you just go, man, this did not age well. And
it's a testament to her as an actor that she
could make it so comical. But like that they made
that man dress up as a clown and blow up
a giant, flesh color her dick balloon in her face.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Had to just be charming and funny with her tits out.
I was like, I wanted to like crawl in a
hole and die and give her a high five for
literally being a woman who you cannot phase with anything.
She's like, Oh, you think I'm gonna be bothered? Watch
how funny I make this? And I was like, hey,
think you had to do it? Very impressed that you could.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
If it were like a pack of chicks, right like,
if I'm with you guys, or I'm with my girlfriends
from high school and a clown blows up a flesh
colored dick balloon in front of us, we all react
for each other, right like we we like, maybe make
a pervy joke for each other, right, But the fact
that Dev's doing it alone with him for his benefit,
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I'm like, no, you do it for your girlfriend's benefit, right,
And she doesn't have like a person there. But what
I liked is that she went from doing that like
pervy thing that was totally kind of weird to Dan
knocking on the door and she slipped back into responsible
deb in a blink. Yes, that switch happened so fast.
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That's why it was for me.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It was such a jarring moment, the scene with the clown,
because she did commit so much to it, and because
that scene works if it's in the hangover. That scene
works in a movie. That is where it's that's what's
set up, and that's who the character is. It didn't
work as Deb because that's not who she is. But
she made it work as just showing off what an
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amazing actress she is. But it still didn't for me.
It wasn't like meshing with the character. But she did
absolutely the best that anybody could have done with that.
But the way that she walked out that door and
immediately flipped on and turned on the Deb that we
knew from the beginning. Damn, she's so good.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Also, guys, I have to do my honorary mention right now, now,
right now, it's right now, it's happening. I go fawed
and like did a real spit take when when deb
says be careful, Buco, he's done time, and Bucko says,
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haven't we all with the smile.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
On his face.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It was so amazing I died.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I was a what show am I watching? But like, yes,
I love that this clown was like, I'm gonna go
protect this hot grandma. I don't know who this guy
is outside also casually mentions he's done time too, and
anybody like balloons, let's go back to the kids. That
was just the right amount of comedic relief I needed
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in a Dan Scott moment.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Agreed, was this a precursor?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is like the jumping the shark precursor to the
dog eating the heart?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yes, because he starts talking about the HCM.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah. I feel like this is them testing the ground, Like, OK,
how much girl?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
They've been done testing for episodes. Now they're like, can
we ride ourselves in? Can we have dev hook up
with the clown? Can we have a dog eat a heart?
It's all like a slow trickle to crazy town.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, slow trickle to crazy town. That sounds like a
good name for the episode.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
If it's not flesh colored dick balloon, oh, lush colored
dick balloon is Why didn't they pick like a like
a green one or like a purple one even been suggestive?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Because they just.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Needed to make it so clear.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Can you imagine the like mom that was watching that
with her thirteen year old daughter, yep, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And the same thought, yes, all horrifying. I thought we
could trust this show. Go get some popcorn, come back later.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And that, I guess is part of it, right is
looking back. This is one of those episodes where the
swings feel so big, like the ick of the dick
balloon and everybody touching Millice's underwear underwea and then the
swing to the sweetness of like the friendships Brook and
Peyton together, Haley and Nathan having the mystery Jamie kissing
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that baby's head, you know, children's birthday party. It's so
sweet on the one hand, and then so totally disgusting
and I'm like, what was what was happening? I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I feel like two episodes got written and then they
just cuts threw them together scene to scene.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, wait, I do have a question, and Hillary you
might know because this was y'all's scene when you and
Antoine were together, Yeah, and you were giving the updates
and talking about how MIA's number number two on iTunes was?
Was Kate on iTunes at this point? Like had she
just released an album? Does anybody remember were we trying
to drive traffic to her stuff?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Like I think for sure we were always trying to
boost her numbers because when we shot the library episode,
remember they were using footage from that for her music video. Yeah, yeah,
so her music video might have just been released, like
she might have just had the song released into the wild,
because when we were shooting the library episode, I remember
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her and our boss and he was like picking out
which picture was going to be the album art for
her release. And so I feel like there was so
much work. How many episodes ago was that at this point,
like four or five?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think that was five o nine and this is
five point fifteen.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, so that time's out. Yeah, you know, if they
were doing all that legwork right, then things would have
dropped about now and maybe or prepping.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I wonder if they ever thought about just doing using
her name. I wonder if it was confusing at all
for the audience that she was releasing music on the
show as Mia Catalano, but then her own stuff was
out as Kate.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Speaking of real names, I loved in the episode when
Skills comes to Nathan and Haley and you called him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, it just made it so sincere because his character's
name is also Antoine. We never use it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He was, uh, yeah, it was sincere because he was
he was being really honest and vulnerable. I guess it
just seemed like it would have been strange to be
like us Gills nowhere about it. Yeah, that was sweet.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I was happy to see those scenes come together. And
I'm really looking forward to seeing Skills be around with
Barbara like this. This is the juicy stuff. I'm super
excited to get into. The two of them is so fun.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
They I don't feel like, are they foreshadowing it in
this episode because it's the other two dudes who see
Barbara when they're all like sucking helium out of.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And it's Fergie and Junk being like I do her.
I would marry deb you know. Like, I love how
age appropriate they are. All the other characters are doing
that is just out of the realm of reality. Junk
and Fergie, those are our real time dudes.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, even the way they freeze watching Millie when they
when they come around the corner and she's doing pilates
and they just do not know what to do with
a woman exercising in front of them, like.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And using their TV when they were about to watch
their own show.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, like, and it's not creepy, and it isn't They're
not being salacious. They just do not know what to do,
and she knows they're uncomfortable and it makes her uncomfortable
and everyone just sort of freezes because no one has
ever interacted this way before. I loved it. It made
me laugh so hard.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Them bumping into shit as they're leaving the room.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, like, no one.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Told them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They just did that, like into the bike prack. It
was so great.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I love Collins crossover into Outer Banks because I don't
care that the characters have different names. In my mind,
Junk is the cop on Outer Banks.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, he grew up to be the cop and outer Banks.
Every time I see it, I think that too.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, good for him, man, that's exactly where Junk should
be right now, just dealing with some medaling kids.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, and it's nice that the boys in their little container,
like all those boys get to be silly and young
and like we were talking about earlier, finding their way
and a little bit broke and figuring out what their
life is in this apartment. And two of them get
to be ridiculous, and one of them, you know, Mouth,
(28:35):
is trying to be less ridiculous for his girlfriend. And
then you've got Skills, who's such a good uncle and
so playful, but he's also dealing with something a little heavy,
and it's nice. It's nice that he gets a lot
of comic relief in his group of friends.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, well, let's talk about the heavy shit then, because
I thought Hailey was so great in this episode, in
these scenes with Luke.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Mm hmmm, where okay, I'm going to play Kate you.
I'm going to play Kate you. I'm going to tell
you what you want to hear. I'm gonna tell you
it's fine. That moment we were like stop it, I'm
your best friend was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I loved that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Thanks, and I loved that you guys, you made it
into something like it could have just been a scene
in a corner at a party, but the fact that
the two of you and Paul staged it with you
helping him get ready and being like, what do you do?
Who cares if she likes Blue? Like she doesn't like you, dude,
and you're trying to give him these like honest answers
(29:47):
and he just won't hear it, and you kind of
without shaking him by the shoulders, you shake him by
the shoulders and remind him of who you are in
his life and what you're there for. I just I
loved it. It felt so real.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I remember shooting those scenes. I have for some reason,
I have a lot of memories of the scenes in
Lucas's bedroom in the house. I just felt like Chad
and I just got on really well, and so it
was easy on set to be able to dive into
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the Lucas and Haley bff energy. And I had missed
it because I spent so much time with James, who
I love and was it was. It was great, but
I did miss being able to really jump into other
people's stories and to go back to the beginning, because
I spent most of my time in the first season
with Chad and then everything progressed from that point forward,
(30:45):
so it was always nice to go back and just
revisit that best friend energy that was. That was the
moment in the screen test of when I when I
won the part, and I knew I had gotten it
because we had such great chemistry in that screen test.
It was it was total brothers energy, and I didn't
get to do a lot of that, I feel like
on the show because of how quickly things progressed with
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Nathan and Haley. So those scenes were always really fun.
And he knew his room so well, he knew the
set so well that he always had you know, it's funny.
I think we're both kind of proppy actors. I'm probably
a little bit more of a proppy actor, which is
a downfall of mine. I think I lean on it
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too much.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But he.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Knew where everything was in that room and he always
knew how to what to go to, what to grab onto,
what to pay attention to. And Yeah, it was fun
just moving around that space with him, and especially with
Paul because he was our family. So it just those
scenes always felt like family, but I did like the
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chemistry between Lucas and Lindsay in this episode. I have
to say, like I kind of go back and forth
between them where I was like, no, it's not right,
it's not right Lucas and Payton forever, and then this
one I was kind of like, Oh, Lindsay, I mean
maybe it could work.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Lindsay and I were styled hair and makeup wise so similarly. Yeah,
that sometimes I get confused at who I'm looking at,
and that's a weird thing to admit. Yeah, We're both
wearing like the eyeliner on the lower rim, and our
hair is styled very similar and our coloring is very.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Similar, so similar, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And we stare at people the same way. We're just
always like lurking over when Lindsay walks in, and like
her and Lucas are locking eyes and then looking away
over the group of children, Like that's a very Peyton
Lucas thing to do. And so I'm just confused who
I'm looking at. And so if he ends up with Lindsay, like,
(32:47):
I'm okay with it. It's hot.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like I always thought she was styled a little bit
more New York business woman I guess at the beginning,
but maybe she relaxed a little bit more into but
you were also a little more dressed up for your
job at the record label, so I guess.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
It's really more like the hair and makeup. It's just okay.
It's one thing if he like started dating like a
zany redhead, you know, like, clearly we're different. But when
you've got two chicks that have just a really similar
aesthetic and their and they're saying that scene with Peyton
(33:24):
and Lindsay where it's like hey, I'm sorry, and it's
like no, really, it's not your fault. I could have
said yes. That was such a big dick energy move
from Realiz is so good.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
When she said that to you, I went like, I
guess how loud.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
She delivered it so well too, because it wasn't she
didn't do it like ant whole. She really was like,
that's it's all good. I mean it's not, it's not
all about you, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I'll still Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I loved it so subtle. It's so subtle and so sharp.
Peyton needed that. It's like, baby, you're not even a
factor here, but thank you, Oh thank go on, go
back to the party.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I appreciated that Peyton was apologizing and just I don't
even know exactly what you were apologizing for.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I thought about that. You know what Peyton did. She
put a splinter in something, and you can live with
a splinter. Splinter is not going to kill anybody. It's
not going to really hurt anyone, but it's irritating. She
added an irritant to their relationship that had it not
shown up, maybe everything would have been fine. Maybe it wouldn't,
you know, but she just she put a splinter in there.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But the truth is Lucas is the one that allowed
the splinter to exist there. If he didn't still if
he didn't still love Peyton, if he wasn't still thinking
of that as a possibility, there's easy ways to just
eliminate that from your relationship.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I mean, if he wasn't so invested in something else,
like he still has a foot in the relationship with Peyton.
Clearly he's got the frickin' ring he proposed to you
with in the sock drawer, like dumbard. He only proposed
to her because she found it. Like when you think
about those things, it gets so uncomfortable, and what I
(35:18):
appreciate about it is A. It gives us great drama
as an audience. B. It does give us some sort
of juvenile behavior that you that you need when all
your twenty one year old characters are like writing best
sellers and launching billion dollar companies.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Like where is Fanz?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, like, please let us do some dumb, childish stuff.
But I think that's part of what makes it complex.
And in a way, I sort of felt like Peyton
was apologizing for the fact that her and Lucas still
had this stickiness, and Lindsay really owned it and was like,
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it's fine, it was my choice. And I was like,
oh boy, I was not prepared for that. Oh boy,
she's so mature.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's like the most mature out of every single one
of all.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
All of us. Somebody gave me a baby and she
is still more mature by far.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But then Haley gets Peyton to admit. She's like, do
you love Lucas or do you just love the idea
of him, and Peyton for the first time is like yeah, both,
Like I love the idea of what we could have been.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, you know, those ideas are hard to let go of.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
They are.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I just don't know why we're doing all this work
to have Peyton detach just for them to end up together.
Like this episode felt like a lot of like, well,
I love him, I'm stalking them on the internet, but yeah,
I'm gonna make some big admissions here.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I just feel like they did that all season, Like
I I'm still mad about the fact that you and
I had to shoot a scene where I looked at
you while you're crying over the love of your life
and I go, I'm gonna ask him to be my
sperm downer, Like what that was?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
The jump the shark line? It really was.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It was for one episode. We never talked about it again.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Here's the fan base is all like, we don't remember that,
we don't remember you physically asking him, and so there
has been a lot of speculation like are we reading
into things? No? Is it possible.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
She was just telling him I'm going to adopt a
baby and he was saying, are you sure.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
No, she says, I want to have a baby with Lucas,
and then there's a scene that cuts in in a
couple of episodes ago, I say it to Hillary, And
then a couple episodes ago there's a scene that cuts
into an episode with me and Chad mid conversation and
he's like why and I'm like just think about it
or whatever I say, like, and then it just went away.
(37:43):
So it's like they're setting up this whole thing for
you where you're like, maybe I don't really love him,
maybe it's the idea of him, maybe it's high school nostalgia,
and then you're gonna be together forever, Like what is
going on?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Well, and they're doing so much work right now with
Brooke and Lucas playing house in this episode, yeah, which
also feels super weird.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
They didn't know what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
They really didn't, because we spend the whole first act
of the episode with Peyton and Brooke playing house together
and then that's not good enough. Brooke then has to
go and get help from Lucas in order to get
her work done and like get the baby to sleep
and stuff. That felt a little bit weird, but also
we're setting up the whole like which girl is Lucas
(38:27):
gonna pick? Situation? Maybe it's all just leading up to that.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Was it ever really a question though, if Lucas and
Brooke would end up together? I mean, I think maybe
in the first couple of seasons when they were dating
it was, but now it's back to like friend energy.
It just doesn't although I don't know, maybe that's just
because in retrospect, I mean, that's the same Dawson and
Pacey and Joey thing, where you know, constantly back and forth,
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what's it going to be?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well? And in their conversation this episode, she asks him
would you do anything different in high school? And he says,
I would appreciate things or I would not take things
for granted. Yeah, I would appreciate things that I'd taken
for granted, meaning like her exactly you. Yeah, what we're
(39:14):
alluding to. I don't know. I like them playing house used.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It does have that Felicity Ben and Nole energy or
the Pacey Dawson Joey thing, just trying to figure out
where do I fit. But Lucas is so it's funny
being the age that I am now looking back and
thinking what a mess this boy was, that he was
(39:42):
so confused about who he was that he was just
bouncing around in his emotions between these three girls constantly
what do I want? Who do I want to be with?
It's so selfish and just childish.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, if he's getting to play house with Brooke and
he's getting to play professional with Lindsay and like kind
of fulfill those needs with those two chicks, I don't
necessarily know what he's getting out of, like the Peytent thing.
I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
A Peytent thing could be just the idea of what
what was, what used to be, And do I really
want to let go of the possibility of how romantic,
especially as a writer, how romantic it is to fall
in love with your first love and have go through
all this and then come back together and have it work.
I think that's a really appealing storyline, personal storyline in
(40:34):
the mind of a writer for their own life. So
I would think that that's sort of what he's getting
out of the Peytent thing.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Sophia, did they make you think that you guys were
like back on the path after that whole play in
house scene.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
No, No, they were always really clear by this point.
But I think because there was so much energy around,
like you know, you and I and the love triangle
was so good for business, and there was so much
like remember this was the era of like those message boards.
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There was so much like team message hearts where I
was like, oh, well team Brook and Brook and Peyton
are on each other's team, right, the boy has to
earn one of them. But there was so much about
trying to please the fan bases, and so there was
a lot of yo yoing, at least as I was
(41:29):
aware of it. That was very strategic where it was like,
we're going to make everybody think you guys have best
friend energy not dissimilar to Lucas and Haley. We'll put
Lucas and Brook in that category and then people will
say it's because they're in love, and then people will
say he can't be with Lindsay because he's in love
with Peyton, and like they really wanted to play that up,
like who is Lucas gonna end up.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
With poor Chad?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like I know, and to your point, joy like sort
of there was a lot in this episode that felt
like it referenced our early seasons in the dynamic mm hmm,
and like I think they really wanted to get back
to that, like Willy or Woney with us from season one.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I mean, but for him, was he ever vilified? Like
I know, like the Brook fans hated Peyton and the
Peyton fans were like, God, damn it, bro get out
of the way. Was Lucas ever in trouble with the
fan base.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I don't think so. I think they all just loved.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
All that, all that brootia. Well here's what I'll say.
Chad was always great with kids. Seeing him with the
baby in this episode was handsome, like he yeah, I
like you know, even when like Peyton and Lucas have
their baby together that day, well, you know, when we
would shoot stuff with the baby, I was just like, wow,
(42:47):
you are good at this. How many younger siblings does
he have in real life? He's got He's got a
bunch of siblings.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Aren't there four of them?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I don't know what the I know he.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Had like a little sister, so like the little girl thing,
he was already good at. And I liked seeing that
baby just smile at him. You know, there were girls
at home that were like what I wouldn't give to
be a baby and she sitting on his lap right now.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I did love that though, seeing Brooke and Lucas just
being friendly and helping each other out, and yeah, yeah,
it's hard to be young and have a new baby
suddenly thrust on you, and then to have a man
who's willing to be nurturing and show up and help
out it was lovely.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Well, and to have a friend who can be supportive,
and I thought it was so sweet, you know, the nerves.
I remember that line asking him like does everyone know
more about babies than me? Which made me giggle because
I was like, you know, I took care of other
people's kids to like pay my bills, So I was like,
it's funny to have to play a person who doesn't
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know what to do with the baby.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, And you know, it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Cool that the Lucas character then talks about what it's
like to have a little sister born when you're eighteen,
you know, Nia and I talk about that a lot.
My best friend has younger siblings who were born when
she was a teenager, and she's she always jokes like, yeah, well,
what it's like to be the first pancake. That's like
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a little misshapen and a little you know, like your
young parents have no idea what they're doing. And then
like when they're older and they have their lives figured
out and they have this next wave of kids, they're like, yeah,
we're pros at this.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I love the dynamic of somebody being like, yeah, I
know because I have a sibling, but essentially I'm an uncle.
And it was sweet. And in the same way that
I liked watching Haley and Lucas, I liked watching Brooke
and Lucas. I like seeing these strong friendships in dynamics that,
you know, let's be honest. On teen dramas, usually when
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you got a boy and a girl on screen, it's romance,
and it's refreshing to see platonic friendship.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yes, yeah, he's not playing anything suggestive right like he
could have.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
He seems like he's really trying to do the right thing,
like he's trying to stick the course with Lindsay and
really commit to it.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, if he's feeling so lonely because he's in that house,
like he begged that chick, let's spend the night. Please
keep the key, keep the key, he said, this is
your home, and she puts it on the dresser. That
was that hurt.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
It hurt, and the great way that Paul directed the
misdirect her walking in with that big overnight bag. I
was like, what's happening, what's going on? And she was
just coming to get the rest of hers. I was like,
oh my god, telling you she could have said yes,
and then coming in with that empty bag.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
To pack up.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I was like, Lindsey, Yeah, she's really showing everybody who's
boxing out.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
She's out, and sitting in an empty house after you've
been rejected is a terrible feeling, you know. Lucas was
like that baby, this baby can stay all week. You'll
just I guess what, Brooke, I got a kid grip.
You want a key, spare key's right here.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Please, I had it made for you today, did Joe?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I love it? I love it. No, that's a that's
a sweet energy. I thought the family stuff was really sweet.
I loved seeing Lucas and Nathan talk to each other
in this episode at the birthday party and just kind
of like confide in one another where it's like I
have best friend status and I have husband status. There's
just a real camaraderie there that makes the Dan stuff
(46:42):
really pop because it's like all of these people love
each other and they're setting a boundary with this guy
as a unit. And it's still hard.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah sad to see him tell his son I have
six months to live and have Nathan leave. And yet
what else was he going to do. It's the boy
who cried Wolf, like he's just burnt all the bridges.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Nobody believes Dan at this point.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
No can I say it? He's never looked better like
evil man with his haircut and this tamb like Dan
Scott has never looked better. Allow.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
It looked like he's got six months alone.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
No, No, And I thought there was a there was
a moment where I thought deb was going to open
that door and be like, Okay, what's up? And she didn't.
Good for her, I'm a weaker woman than Deb. But
him offering Nathan his childhood sanctuary and Nathan rejecting it
(47:51):
is a big metaphorical decision. I liked that he was like,
I'm not going to give my son the same childhood
that I had. I refuse.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah. Well, And on that sort of theme of nostalgia,
Dan giving Jamie Nathan's first jersey. He's really trying to
pull Nathan back into these happier times childhood we could
go back, and Nathan's just not taking the bait. And
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it's really it's really nice to watch, you know, he's
really standing.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
In his.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Fatherhood and his manhood and just saying I'm not going
to be like you.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I'm not going to let you continue to take
advantage of me. I mean it's been just doing it
for years and years and years. Yeah, it's to the
point on the show now where we've just after watching
these episodes so much, I'm like, I don't believe I
don't even believe him. How do we even know it's true? Yeah?
And even if you can, it's he only feels bad
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when it affects him, when it's you know, he's just
totally incapable of empathy.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
The thing that wrapped all of this up really nicely
for me, and that I loved watching through the whole
end of the episode was actually the conversation that Brooke
and Lucas got to have together them being friends. To me,
teed up everyone's sort of ending montage because she asks him,
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you know, is this how you thought our lives would
turn out? Do you ever do you ever want to
go back? Would you do it differently? And he gets
to admit, you know, I think we have to work
through all this stuff, And like, that's such a theme that,
for whatever reason I find myself exploring in a lot
of conversations with friends right now, like, no matter how
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hard things have been, I wouldn't change anything. My friends
are like same, wouldn't change anything to get to this point.
And then freaking Adele kicks in with hometown. What the
what a sink we got?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Everyone is in.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
This place that they need to be, that they've worked
to get, however hard it's been to get here. And
you see all these lovely things happening, people being in
these good zones, the three of you as a family,
you know, Mauf and Milly and the guys and Lucas
and Angie and Brooke and this new friendship, and like
it goes through all this stuff, and then Dan talking
(50:29):
about hometown glory, gets shut down by the son who
doesn't want to be like him. His work working through
all this stuff, like Lucas said, has been to be
a different man. And I was like, Okay, all my
criticisms for this episode out of the window. I am
into this ending Mondogy take it. I'm here for it.
(50:50):
Like I felt like they wrapped it up in a
way that I really got what we were trying to
say to people.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Adele, How did we get that Adele.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Was she was she Adele when we got that song?
Or was she? Did she have an album? Was this
before twenty one came out?
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I mean this was right at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
She was just a baby.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah. I think her album probably came out in two
thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
It's crazy crazy, It's.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Amazing that we got that.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
I know.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I was like that voice.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Wait, I was like, is this happening right now?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
This is like when somebody said, you know, oh, we've
got this great new artist. We want to put it
on Wintrey Hill, we need some placements on TV.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Have you heard of this album called nineteen?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Excuse you?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah? It did it?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:36):
It came out in two thousand and eight?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Oh boy, Lindsay Wolfington.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
That's my honorable mention since we're throwing him out here. Yeah,
Adele is my honorable mention for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'm gonna go with Barbara for this one because I
just think she she commits like nobody else, just so good.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I'm raising my hand and saying I got to actually
do a tie. The Adele sink big and for me,
the platonic friendship energy I really enjoyed because you got
to do it Joy, and so did I, and.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
So did Millie.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, and Millie did with the boys that's a really
good point less one on one but as a group.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
And Peyton with skills Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
God, yep, and Hayley with skills. There was just so
much good.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, I really love it. It just adds a vibe
like not everything has to be romance all the time,
and I love it.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah, man, I'm into all of that. I mean, look, overall,
I liked this episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
I thought I had some dick jokes that I wasn't
crazy about. But what doesn't you.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Know, especially in two thousand and eight, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Two thousand and eight. We're gonna look at it through
that less obsessed.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
All right, we have a listener question.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2 (53:00):
From Melissa? Him? Melissa? Why do they have Jamie's birthday
in the middle of basketball season, but Haley went into
labor on graduation day?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Someone's been paid attention?
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah that is we could have used you in the
writer's room, Melissa.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, where were you in two thousand and eight? Melissa? Yeah,
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Nope, yeah, no's we cannot answer your question with anything reasonable. No,
good excuses writers strike. Yeah, I guess you.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Know what they do for my daughter's kindergarten. She's five,
Jamie's five. Is that all the summer birthdays celebrate half
birthdays because no one's around in the summer for parties.
That's literally the only thing I can think of to
tell you, Melissa, is that it's his half birthday. It's
not his real birthday. That's all I got.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
It's his un birthday.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Very unhappy birthday to you.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I like you, sho we spend a wheel.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
The lord.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Who's most likely to go viral on TikTok? All right,
I've got an answer because we don't see her, and
I think it's a missed opportunity. I think Lucas's little sister, Lily,
being like a remote kid is all about like TikTok life, Yes,
especially because she's like in her early twenties now. Yeah,
(54:38):
she's doing all those little silly dances where she's like
tapping her hips and clapping her hands.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
And especially being a kid to your point who grew up.
When you said remote, it made me think about like
her life traveling with these fancy parents, Like you know,
she's probably like a modern era, like bind Or Win
meets Emily in Paris. Yeah, she has an interesting life
(55:05):
for people to follow on the internet. Yeah, and you
know she's Karen's kids, so she's probably a really nice person.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah. Remember Karen would always say like dorky mom shit
like I can only imagine Karen's TikTok assessment. Oh my god,
like I'll do a dance with you? Oh sure, laying
it on real thick who does TikTok in real life?
Because I don't have TikTok, so I don't know who
of our friends is on there.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
I mean Barbara, Barbara's daughters. Oh yeah, I don't know
who else.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
I mean Grace who played Baby Jenny made me do
a TikTok video with her when we were at one
of the conventions. It was like her and a bunch
of the other young actresses for like, let's do a
TikTok dance, and I was the old person being like,
I'll stand in the back, I'll clap are you all right? Well,
if you guys are making TikTok videos about drama queens,
make sure you tag us because I don't know how
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to do it. So I'm glad you are well.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Come back next week, everybody. Next episode's gonna be Season five,
episode sixteen. Crime won't help you now. Oh, I can't
wait to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Then that makes me nervous. Sometimes the titles, I go,
oh boy, what are we in for? Yeah, we'll find
out next week.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hillary, your hair looks so great today for our listeners.
Hillary's got her full curls happening at which I miss seeing,
and she's wearing a Whitney Houston T shirt.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Baby, I hit the target hard. This summer target sometimes
surprises me. I'm just gonna throw it out there. Like
sometimes I'm just walking through thinking I'm gonna get paper towels,
and then I see a Whitney Houston shirt and get
totally sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Guys, we'll get into the episode. But what's with the
curly hair right now? Madd in trouble because mine's going
gray too, and I feel like it's losing a little
bit of it's lester. But your hair always looks so
great when it's curly. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's never been curlier because I'm not like coloring it.
I'm not putting chemicals on it, and so it's never
been curlier, and I don't do anything to it anymore.
I wake up and I put oil in it.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Oil.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, I put way oil in it, and that's it.
And it's just saving me so much time because with
two kids in two different schools and like full responsibilities
there and then work responsibilities, the amount of time I
used to spend blowing it out is just not there
(01:40):
right now. We might get there one day, Today's not
that day. No, not that day. Also, I feel like,
do you feel like post pandemic aesthetics have changed a
little bit where all of the really polished stuff is
like why would you do that? Like, yeah, everything's gone
a little sideways.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, we started zoom meetings and people were still dressing
up like they were at work, and then eventually it
was just full pajamas work meetings and T shirts.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I kind of love it, though, Listen, let's just get weird.
It's the exact opposite of what this episode was because
I laughed so hard at this group of women trying
to take care of babies and also throw birthday parties
in high heels. And dresses, full outfits on no sleep.
I am wearing fucking Sketchers right now. I'm wearing mom
(02:30):
Sketchers sneakers because that's what you wear when you're parenting.
Your brain's out.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I need to pull out my crocs. That's what I
was shuffling around in this morning. Yes, oh, birthday parties
and heels. Give me a break, those sweet little girls. Okay,
what do you think, Sophia? You want to read the intro?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh boy, guys, here we are. Season five, episode fifteen,
Life is Short. This originally aired April twenty eighth, two
thousand and eight. God, the era of the fancy short.
I would like I would just like to burn two
thousand and eight to the ground.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
No one did it better than you. The color of
our DVD where you're in the shorts and iconic.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Why why did we decide that was Brooks thing? Anyway?
Not the point. The snopsis of the episode is that
Lindsay retreat legs. Lindsay returns to tree Hill for Jamie's
fifth birthday party, giving Lucas hope for their relationship, I mean,
maybe false hope. Who knows Brooke and Peyton prepare for
life with a new baby. Meanwhile, Dan tries to work
(03:30):
himself back into the lives of his family, ultimately divulging
a grave secret to Nathan and Hayley. This episode was
directed by our very own Paul Johansen.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yay. I remember directing this one vividly. I you do, don't, Yes,
but either there's so many like what do the kids
call them? Gifts, memes, whatever they are, there's so many
of that montage of us trying to soothe Yes that
I remember.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I just didn't realize it was Paul.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
What was hilarious is you know, like we did all
of our coverage, like doing the things being hilarious and
and then it was Angie's coverage and she didn't want
to cry, and it became a problem of how are
we gonna make this baby cry? And like her mom
came in. I remember her mom coming in and being like,
(04:25):
cry baby, Like come on, you cry all the time.
Why are you not doing it right now? And I
remember Paul being like should I get in there, and
kind of oh, we'll be the situation and started trying
to be like scary and we're like, Paul, now this
is like, ah, this will be a core memory. This
baby doll. It was stressful because she didn't want to
(04:46):
cry in that moment.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, I that's what I remember is that she was
actually very amused, and we were like, yeah, it's worth
like it's actually working. We're making this baby happy. And
you and and I were like what do we do? Yeah,
and the idea that you were supposed to scare a
baby felt horrible.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
We didn't want to do that. Did We just.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Like wind up leaving her alone in that crib for
a while.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Till she got her I think we might have had
to ignore she just got bored. Somebody pay attention to me.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
But like making TV so dumb like that, it's like
it scripted baby cries, right, and there's no one that
thinks through the process of how are you going to
make that baby cry?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, it is like having a dog on set too,
with the dog trainers that come and they they're trying
to lead the dog around or make it do a trick,
and it just will never do it exactly the moment
that you needed to. They end up like smearing peanut
butter on your ear or something.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
No. I loved all the kid energy in this episode.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I just wanted to squeeze them. God, they were all
so cute. It was Jamie being cute with little Angie.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
There was a lot of kid energy, even with million
and Mouth and Skills and all the boys.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This was fun.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Their storyline might have been my favorite thing in the episode.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I loved what was happening in that apartment.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Maybe that's what it was. It was like it was
all the home situations were figuring themselves out in this episode,
Like your house, Haley, like things are getting back to normal,
things seem healthy. Brooke's trying to figure out what her
home situation is.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Who can help the two of you in that house
with a bit I mean out loud Hillary coming around
the corner.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I do I want to sleep?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And your hair and you're just everything about you. It
was so great.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
You know what I liked is that it felt like
a marriage. It felt like Peyton and Brooke were in
a marriage and like doing the whole newlywed thing. I'm like,
we're gonna figure this out. Yeah, it felt very safe
and happy to me.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I wrote down that I really liked watching us
do a buddy comedy. Like the whole opening sequence. It
was long, The two of us before it moved anywhere,
and it was so funny to me, and I was like,
oh man, this is nice. Look at us. We're not
like surviving a stalker or sobbing or hitting each other.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We're just getting punched.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We're a great time. And I like to watch it.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That feels like a movie. I would like to see that.
She probably should have been done in the early two thousands,
like a female version of is it Look who's talking
with the three men and a baby? But it's three
but like bachelorettes and just girls that are like in
college and VI Beta Kappa or whatever, and they're like,
I don't know what to do with this thing.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I didn't realize how scandalous it was to see like
a really young chick with a baby, you know what
I mean. Like at the time, I didn't think there
was anything weird about it, and watching it now in
my forties, I'm like, oh my god, who would give
a baby to these children?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Ah, Eldred do that they are children.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I loved this though.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah they didn't send any instructions, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, they literally handed you a baby in the
airport and just walked off. It was just you and
this baby.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
They were like a look, by the way, not.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Far off right, Like the universal thing that every single friend,
no matter at what stage in their life says when
they have a baby, is they just let you take
it home from the hospital. They just send you home
with this baby and nobody checks on you.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And it's like, yeah, it's kind of insane. I told
you what the nurse said at the hospital. Did I
mention this? After I gave Birthers The first night in
the hospital and they bring out they roll out the
little plastic bacinet. I swear I've said this before. I'm
sorry if I have. They roll the little plastic basinet
and they pull it next to your bed and it's
your first night and they give you that little it's
like a rubber it looks like a rubber ducky with
(08:50):
a oh the sneeze the hand of it, yeah, the
snot squeezer. And she hands it to me and she's like, Okay,
good luck, guys, we'll see you in the morning. And
I was like, what do I do with this? And
she said, well, if she starts sort of choking or
gurgling in the middle of the night, you just reach
over and like squeeze it and extract whatever's in her
mouth out of with this tube. I was like, Okay,
I mean, but like I just had a baby, I'm
(09:12):
pretty tired. What if I am sleep and I don't
hear her? She goes, oh, well, then she'll choke. She'll
like like choke and then like cough it up and
like no, no, she'll die.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Jolie, where did you give birth? Hand over? Oh my god,
Oh my god, Joy, that's horrifying.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's hord.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It was.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I just I just looked over it. I looked at Michael.
I was like, he was like, I'll stay awake, I'll
do the first shift. Don't worry.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
That is not normal.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What can you imagine saying that too? But but it's
true so many people, especially when you're just used to
having being around babies or I guess if you're handing
off babies to people all the time, it's just like
there you go. It's no big deal. But Brooke handled
it really well. I mean, I loved watching you go
through all the rollercoaster of emotions in this episode. But
it was NonStop. You were laughing and then crying and
(10:02):
then falling over and then falling asleep and then working
really hard and then grossed out and then laughing and
crying again. It was all great.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was really super sweet,
and there was like, as much as I could tell,
this was another strike episode where I was like, oh boy,
we could have really done with just like a polish
on this script. Like the I thought the device that
you brought up Hill, the everyone exploring their home life
worked well because we kind of just had to use
(10:32):
the locations we knew we'd have and make the best
of them. And so this this sort of reversion into
childhood with Jamie's birthday party setting the scene and then
Brooke and Peyton having this baby, and then the guys
trying to figure out how to grow up in their
apartment and Millie saying, no, guys, it's cool, we can
(10:52):
play like kids.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
As much as I had moments where I was like,
oh my god, when is this episode going to be over?
I also I also really thought it was sweet and
fun and I kind of loved it. I loved the
way Mouth sort of wrangled the maturity and then Millie
was like not so fast.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, yeah, this won me over this episode when it
started I was in the same boat. I was kind
of like, yeah, man, I got to watch a five
year old's birthday party, Like, why am I watching this
on TV?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Drama? But it did win me over for sure. And
there was so much throwback stuff in this episode. The
Facebook status mention, the charts, you know, the Macy's like
it was all just so May is still super relevant obviously,
but like there's so many other things that just felt
like a huge throwback that I kind of started to
fall in love with it.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
And the story did.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I agree it needed to rewrite like a polish, but
the story did progress pretty well. Yeah, and even ending up,
you know, reminding us all the things of Dan and
ending up with Nathan and Dan having that conversation, and
I feel like there was a lot that came out
of its good.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You go from peyden Brooks place that's chaos and then
to Mouth's place, which is also chaos. But this whole
thing about like Millie's underwear, that was.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
What I was gonna say, You guys, gross.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Gross, but like very real. I mean it is very
teenage boy. Yeah, yeah, very teenage like twenties boys. But gross,
have you guys ever lived with a bunch of guys. Yes, yes,
I mean Hillary, you did with your brother's obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Even when I first moved to New York, I moved
into the dorms and I lived with like eight or
nine other girls, because the dorms where I went to
school were like sweets. So it's three bedrooms, three girls
per bedroom, and then you had like the living room
and kitchen area. So I went from living with all
brothers to like a fleet of women, many of whom
(12:50):
I'm still friends with. But it was an environment that
I wasn't totally comfortable. So I started dating this much
older dude who lived in one of these kind of
like mouth junk furgie skills apartments, and it was all dudes.
Some of them worked at MTV with me. They all
had their girlfriends come over. But the energy of living
(13:10):
with all guys and being like, I'm gonna make chili,
what do you guys, I'm gonna make banana bread to
win you guys over, and then getting yelled at because
I would leave my hair in the drain, Like those
kinds of relationships really informed I think my marriage now,
like living with a lot of dudes is an important
life skill you have to navigate that.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, after college, my parents were crushed. They were like,
when when will you move home for your first summer?
And I was like, I'm never moving home again. And
I moved into All my best guy friends in college
lived in this house together. There were eight of them
in a house like right off campus near usc so fun.
(13:52):
Two of them were moving home for the summer and
so me and one of my girlfriends took their two rooms.
So it was two girls and six dudes in a
house and we had so much fun. But it is
it's like it's a total life lesson. And when I
think about, you know, every summer, like going to camp
and then being a camp counselor, I spent so much
(14:14):
time in big groups and you know, big cod groups.
But the cabins were always groups of girls, and then
there was like groups of other people's daughters that I
was responsible for. And suddenly, yeah, I'm living in this
house and thank god I had like one other ally
to roll my eyes with to be like, what are
these idiots doing? But we were basically like the camp
(14:35):
counselors for these six boys, and we had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yes, I love that you were a camp counselor. Oh yeah,
it's my favorite, And I wish I'd had that experience.
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We had that big supermoon here and I went with
a bunch of friends, Like we went out to the
beach to see it. It was like the last one
until twenty thirty seven. We were like, we got to
do something fun. We showed up to the beach and
I just like got all the bags out of the
trunk of a sh a word, what are what's in
these Mary Poppins bags?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Like why do you have all this?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I was like, guys, being a cam counselor never dies, never.
I'm prepped and ready.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That's what it feels like, though you're right, it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Feels like Millie's the camp counselor.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
And I also feel like our culture really kind of
romanticizes this kind of roommate situation, Like we grew up
with Threes Company, you know, the New Girl was on
the air forever, you know, Like there's a lot of
TV shows about that odd man out roommate situation that
(15:36):
make it seem so fun, like so fun, And I
had forgotten that our show was in the mix. I
like that we have this little interaction because all of
these people living on their own is not realistic. When
you are in your early twenties, you're broke and you
live with as many people as possible, so you can
split the twenty different.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Ways well underwear a side. I did think that the
energy was so so cute. And when Mouth and Millie
come back from their grocery trip and they can't believe
what the apartment looks like, Lisa Goldstein made me do
(16:19):
a full spit take with did you know your couch
was brown?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I was so good.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And when he opens the cabinet and everything, including like
all the porn starts to fall out. I was like, oh,
oh boy, it was really well done.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
I wonder if Paul has lived this since he was
the one directing it. Paul was like, where do I
hide my porn the kitchen cupboards.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
He's definitely lived with a lot of guys. I'm sure
he's got great stories. Yeah, he was an athlete and
the skills piece. I really like to bring in this
element of because I kind of have forgotten about that
that he was the one that led Jamie go to
the bathroom by himself at the And yeah, I had
forgotten that that was a thing. So I thought that
(17:03):
was really nice.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
That worked though, because I think we'd all forgotten, but
he didn't. And isn't that real life? You know, like
everyone else is kind of like, what are you talking about, Skills,
but you can tell it's this thing that has been
kind of festering or like troubling him. He had a
(17:25):
lot of work to do this episode. I thought he
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it was so much fun to watch Antoine and
I loved I loved Skills coming to see Peyton at
the office. It's like one of those things where you go,
oh yeah, when they just don't know what to do
with us and they give two of us a random scene.
But it's so fun.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I love those I love that it's so realistic.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
This is when they were going to set up Peyton
and Skills getting together.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh, this was.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Because they're bringing Lindsay back and like toe in that
putting that toe in the water, and they had always
meant to hook Peyton Skills up. I was told at
the time Jump that they were going to put us
together because it was gonna piss Lucas off, like what
are you doing dating my ex girlfriend? And it was
(18:18):
gonna give everyone else be the excuse of, like you've
dated everyone's ex girlfriend? What are you talking about? You know,
like there was a whole trajectory mapped out, and I'm
not entirely sure why they didn't do it. It might
have been a network note, it might have been an
availability thing, but it very much was intentional to start
putting us together and like championing one another.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Wow, and then when did it switch over to Barbara
when she showed up looking hot like a snack guy.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Dude, Yeah, Barbara is so hot and so funny, and
why do the writers have her being in a clown?
What was that?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This this scene with her, No, that's exactly it's not
a scene with her on her knees with the balloon
getting blown up in her face. It felt it was
such a far cry from the deb that we met
in the beginning, and so far even from the deb
that was in rehab, Like it just was completely bizarre.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I get that she's playful and you know, being goofy,
but I don't, I don't know that was weird.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, I made a note of it. I just literally wrote,
I hate this so much, but damn, Barbara commits and
makes it funny. Like Barbara is so funny. She's capable
of doing anything. But this is one of those things
where you look back on an era and you know
what wasn't being talked about in public discourse yet, and
(19:44):
you just go, man, this did not age well. And
it's a testament to her as an actor that she
could make it so comical. But like that they made
that man dress up as a clown and blow up
a giant, flesh color her dick balloon in her face.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Had to just be charming and funny with her tits out.
I was like, I wanted to like crawl in a
hole and die and give her a high five for
literally being a woman who you cannot phase with anything.
She's like, Oh, you think I'm gonna be bothered? Watch
how funny I make this? And I was like, hey,
think you had to do it? Very impressed that you could.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
If it were like a pack of chicks, right like,
if I'm with you guys, or I'm with my girlfriends
from high school and a clown blows up a flesh
colored dick balloon in front of us, we all react
for each other, right like we we like, maybe make
a pervy joke for each other, right, But the fact
that Dev's doing it alone with him for his benefit,
(20:44):
I'm like, no, you do it for your girlfriend's benefit, right,
And she doesn't have like a person there. But what
I liked is that she went from doing that like
pervy thing that was totally kind of weird to Dan
knocking on the door and she slipped back into responsible
deb in a blink. Yes, that switch happened so fast.
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That's why it was for me.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
It was such a jarring moment, the scene with the clown,
because she did commit so much to it, and because
that scene works if it's in the hangover. That scene
works in a movie. That is where it's that's what's
set up, and that's who the character is. It didn't
work as Deb because that's not who she is. But
she made it work as just showing off what an
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amazing actress she is. But it still didn't for me.
It wasn't like meshing with the character. But she did
absolutely the best that anybody could have done with that.
But the way that she walked out that door and
immediately flipped on and turned on the Deb that we
knew from the beginning. Damn, she's so good.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Also, guys, I have to do my honorary mention right now, now,
right now, it's right now, it's happening. I go fawed
and like did a real spit take when when deb
says be careful, Buco, he's done time, and Bucko says,
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haven't we all with the smile.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
On his face.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
It was so amazing I died.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I was a what show am I watching? But like, yes,
I love that this clown was like, I'm gonna go
protect this hot grandma. I don't know who this guy
is outside also casually mentions he's done time too, and
anybody like balloons, let's go back to the kids. That
was just the right amount of comedic relief I needed
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in a Dan Scott moment.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Agreed, was this a precursor?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
This is like the jumping the shark precursor to the
dog eating the heart?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yes, because he starts talking about the HCM.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah. I feel like this is them testing the ground, Like, OK,
how much girl?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
They've been done testing for episodes. Now they're like, can
we ride ourselves in? Can we have dev hook up
with the clown? Can we have a dog eat a heart?
It's all like a slow trickle to crazy town.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, slow trickle to crazy town. That sounds like a
good name for the episode.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
If it's not flesh colored dick balloon, oh, lush colored
dick balloon is Why didn't they pick like a like
a green one or like a purple one even been suggestive?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Because they just.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Needed to make it so clear.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Can you imagine the like mom that was watching that
with her thirteen year old daughter, yep, do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And the same thought, yes, all horrifying. I thought we
could trust this show. Go get some popcorn, come back later.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And that, I guess is part of it, right is
looking back. This is one of those episodes where the
swings feel so big, like the ick of the dick
balloon and everybody touching Millice's underwear underwea and then the
swing to the sweetness of like the friendships Brook and
Peyton together, Haley and Nathan having the mystery Jamie kissing
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that baby's head, you know, children's birthday party. It's so
sweet on the one hand, and then so totally disgusting
and I'm like, what was what was happening? I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I feel like two episodes got written and then they
just cuts threw them together scene to scene.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, wait, I do have a question, and Hillary you
might know because this was y'all's scene when you and
Antoine were together, Yeah, and you were giving the updates
and talking about how MIA's number number two on iTunes was?
Was Kate on iTunes at this point? Like had she
just released an album? Does anybody remember were we trying
to drive traffic to her stuff?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Like I think for sure we were always trying to
boost her numbers because when we shot the library episode,
remember they were using footage from that for her music video. Yeah, yeah,
so her music video might have just been released, like
she might have just had the song released into the wild,
because when we were shooting the library episode, I remember
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her and our boss and he was like picking out
which picture was going to be the album art for
her release. And so I feel like there was so
much work. How many episodes ago was that at this point,
like four or five?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I think that was five o nine and this is
five point fifteen.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Yeah, so that time's out. Yeah, you know, if they
were doing all that legwork right, then things would have
dropped about now and maybe or prepping.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I wonder if they ever thought about just doing using
her name. I wonder if it was confusing at all
for the audience that she was releasing music on the
show as Mia Catalano, but then her own stuff was
out as Kate.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Speaking of real names, I loved in the episode when
Skills comes to Nathan and Haley and you called him.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I loved that.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yeah, it just made it so sincere because his character's
name is also Antoine. We never use it.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He was, uh, yeah, it was sincere because he was
he was being really honest and vulnerable. I guess it
just seemed like it would have been strange to be
like us Gills nowhere about it. Yeah, that was sweet.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I was.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I was happy to see those scenes come together. And
I'm really looking forward to seeing Skills be around with
Barbara like this. This is the juicy stuff. I'm super
excited to get into. The two of them is so fun.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
They I don't feel like, are they foreshadowing it in
this episode because it's the other two dudes who see
Barbara when they're all like sucking helium out of.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And it's Fergie and Junk being like I do her.
I would marry deb you know. Like, I love how
age appropriate they are. All the other characters are doing
that is just out of the realm of reality. Junk
and Fergie, those are our real time dudes.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, even the way they freeze watching Millie when they
when they come around the corner and she's doing pilates
and they just do not know what to do with
a woman exercising in front of them, like.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And using their TV when they were about to watch
their own show.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, like, and it's not creepy, and it isn't They're
not being salacious. They just do not know what to do,
and she knows they're uncomfortable and it makes her uncomfortable
and everyone just sort of freezes because no one has
ever interacted this way before. I loved it. It made
me laugh so hard.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Them bumping into shit as they're leaving the room.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, like, no one.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Told them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They just did that, like into the bike prack. It
was so great.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I love Collins crossover into Outer Banks because I don't
care that the characters have different names. In my mind,
Junk is the cop on Outer Banks.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, he grew up to be the cop and outer Banks.
Every time I see it, I think that too.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, good for him, man, that's exactly where Junk should
be right now, just dealing with some medaling kids.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well, and it's nice that the boys in their little container,
like all those boys get to be silly and young
and like we were talking about earlier, finding their way
and a little bit broke and figuring out what their
life is in this apartment. And two of them get
to be ridiculous, and one of them, you know, Mouth,
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is trying to be less ridiculous for his girlfriend. And
then you've got Skills, who's such a good uncle and
so playful, but he's also dealing with something a little heavy,
and it's nice. It's nice that he gets a lot
of comic relief in his group of friends.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, well, let's talk about the heavy shit then, because
I thought Hailey was so great in this episode, in
these scenes with Luke.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Mm hmmm, where okay, I'm going to play Kate you.
I'm going to play Kate you. I'm going to tell
you what you want to hear. I'm gonna tell you
it's fine. That moment we were like stop it, I'm
your best friend was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I loved that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Thanks, and I loved that you guys, you made it
into something like it could have just been a scene
in a corner at a party, but the fact that
the two of you and Paul staged it with you
helping him get ready and being like, what do you do?
Who cares if she likes Blue? Like she doesn't like you, dude,
and you're trying to give him these like honest answers
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and he just won't hear it, and you kind of
without shaking him by the shoulders, you shake him by
the shoulders and remind him of who you are in
his life and what you're there for. I just I
loved it. It felt so real.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I remember shooting those scenes. I have for some reason,
I have a lot of memories of the scenes in
Lucas's bedroom in the house. I just felt like Chad
and I just got on really well, and so it
was easy on set to be able to dive into
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the Lucas and Haley bff energy. And I had missed
it because I spent so much time with James, who
I love and was it was. It was great, but
I did miss being able to really jump into other
people's stories and to go back to the beginning, because
I spent most of my time in the first season
with Chad and then everything progressed from that point forward,
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so it was always nice to go back and just
revisit that best friend energy that was. That was the
moment in the screen test of when I when I
won the part, and I knew I had gotten it
because we had such great chemistry in that screen test.
It was it was total brothers energy, and I didn't
get to do a lot of that, I feel like
on the show because of how quickly things progressed with
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Nathan and Haley. So those scenes were always really fun.
And he knew his room so well, he knew the
set so well that he always had you know, it's funny.
I think we're both kind of proppy actors. I'm probably
a little bit more of a proppy actor, which is
a downfall of mine. I think I lean on it
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too much.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
But he.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Knew where everything was in that room and he always
knew how to what to go to, what to grab onto,
what to pay attention to. And Yeah, it was fun
just moving around that space with him, and especially with
Paul because he was our family. So it just those
scenes always felt like family, but I did like the
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chemistry between Lucas and Lindsay in this episode. I have
to say, like I kind of go back and forth
between them where I was like, no, it's not right,
it's not right Lucas and Payton forever, and then this
one I was kind of like, Oh, Lindsay, I mean
maybe it could work.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Lindsay and I were styled hair and makeup wise so similarly. Yeah,
that sometimes I get confused at who I'm looking at,
and that's a weird thing to admit. Yeah, We're both
wearing like the eyeliner on the lower rim, and our
hair is styled very similar and our coloring is very.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Similar, so similar, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And we stare at people the same way. We're just
always like lurking over when Lindsay walks in, and like
her and Lucas are locking eyes and then looking away
over the group of children, Like that's a very Peyton
Lucas thing to do. And so I'm just confused who
I'm looking at. And so if he ends up with Lindsay, like,
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I'm okay with it. It's hot.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Like I always thought she was styled a little bit
more New York business woman I guess at the beginning,
but maybe she relaxed a little bit more into but
you were also a little more dressed up for your
job at the record label, so I guess.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
It's really more like the hair and makeup. It's just okay.
It's one thing if he like started dating like a
zany redhead, you know, like, clearly we're different. But when
you've got two chicks that have just a really similar
aesthetic and their and they're saying that scene with Peyton
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and Lindsay where it's like hey, I'm sorry, and it's
like no, really, it's not your fault. I could have
said yes. That was such a big dick energy move
from Realiz is so good.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
When she said that to you, I went like, I
guess how loud.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
She delivered it so well too, because it wasn't she
didn't do it like ant whole. She really was like,
that's it's all good. I mean it's not, it's not
all about you, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I'll still Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
I loved it so subtle. It's so subtle and so sharp.
Peyton needed that. It's like, baby, you're not even a
factor here, but thank you, Oh thank go on, go
back to the party.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I appreciated that Peyton was apologizing and just I don't
even know exactly what you were apologizing for.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I thought about that. You know what Peyton did. She
put a splinter in something, and you can live with
a splinter. Splinter is not going to kill anybody. It's
not going to really hurt anyone, but it's irritating. She
added an irritant to their relationship that had it not
shown up, maybe everything would have been fine. Maybe it wouldn't,
you know, but she just she put a splinter in there.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But the truth is Lucas is the one that allowed
the splinter to exist there. If he didn't still if
he didn't still love Peyton, if he wasn't still thinking
of that as a possibility, there's easy ways to just
eliminate that from your relationship.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I mean, if he wasn't so invested in something else,
like he still has a foot in the relationship with Peyton.
Clearly he's got the frickin' ring he proposed to you
with in the sock drawer, like dumbard. He only proposed
to her because she found it. Like when you think
about those things, it gets so uncomfortable, and what I
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appreciate about it is A. It gives us great drama
as an audience. B. It does give us some sort
of juvenile behavior that you that you need when all
your twenty one year old characters are like writing best
sellers and launching billion dollar companies.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Like where is Fanz?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, like, please let us do some dumb, childish stuff.
But I think that's part of what makes it complex.
And in a way, I sort of felt like Peyton
was apologizing for the fact that her and Lucas still
had this stickiness, and Lindsay really owned it and was like,
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it's fine, it was my choice. And I was like,
oh boy, I was not prepared for that. Oh boy,
she's so mature.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's like the most mature out of every single one
of all.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
All of us. Somebody gave me a baby and she
is still more mature by far.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But then Haley gets Peyton to admit. She's like, do
you love Lucas or do you just love the idea
of him, and Peyton for the first time is like yeah, both,
Like I love the idea of what we could have been.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, you know, those ideas are hard to let go of.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
They are.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
I just don't know why we're doing all this work
to have Peyton detach just for them to end up together.
Like this episode felt like a lot of like, well,
I love him, I'm stalking them on the internet, but yeah,
I'm gonna make some big admissions here.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I just feel like they did that all season, Like
I I'm still mad about the fact that you and
I had to shoot a scene where I looked at
you while you're crying over the love of your life
and I go, I'm gonna ask him to be my
sperm downer, Like what that was?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
The jump the shark line? It really was.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
It was for one episode. We never talked about it again.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Here's the fan base is all like, we don't remember that,
we don't remember you physically asking him, and so there
has been a lot of speculation like are we reading
into things? No? Is it possible.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
She was just telling him I'm going to adopt a
baby and he was saying, are you sure.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
No, she says, I want to have a baby with Lucas,
and then there's a scene that cuts in in a
couple of episodes ago, I say it to Hillary, And
then a couple episodes ago there's a scene that cuts
into an episode with me and Chad mid conversation and
he's like why and I'm like just think about it
or whatever I say, like, and then it just went away.
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So it's like they're setting up this whole thing for
you where you're like, maybe I don't really love him,
maybe it's the idea of him, maybe it's high school nostalgia,
and then you're gonna be together forever, Like what is
going on?
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Well, and they're doing so much work right now with
Brooke and Lucas playing house in this episode, yeah, which
also feels super weird.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
They didn't know what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
They really didn't, because we spend the whole first act
of the episode with Peyton and Brooke playing house together
and then that's not good enough. Brooke then has to
go and get help from Lucas in order to get
her work done and like get the baby to sleep
and stuff. That felt a little bit weird, but also
we're setting up the whole like which girl is Lucas
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gonna pick? Situation? Maybe it's all just leading up to that.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Was it ever really a question though, if Lucas and
Brooke would end up together? I mean, I think maybe
in the first couple of seasons when they were dating
it was, but now it's back to like friend energy.
It just doesn't although I don't know, maybe that's just
because in retrospect, I mean, that's the same Dawson and
Pacey and Joey thing, where you know, constantly back and forth,
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what's it going to be?
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Well? And in their conversation this episode, she asks him
would you do anything different in high school? And he says,
I would appreciate things or I would not take things
for granted. Yeah, I would appreciate things that I'd taken
for granted, meaning like her exactly you. Yeah, what we're
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alluding to. I don't know. I like them playing house used.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It does have that Felicity Ben and Nole energy or
the Pacey Dawson Joey thing, just trying to figure out
where do I fit. But Lucas is so it's funny
being the age that I am now looking back and
thinking what a mess this boy was, that he was
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so confused about who he was that he was just
bouncing around in his emotions between these three girls constantly
what do I want? Who do I want to be with?
It's so selfish and just childish.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, if he's getting to play house with Brooke and
he's getting to play professional with Lindsay and like kind
of fulfill those needs with those two chicks, I don't
necessarily know what he's getting out of, like the Peytent thing.
I'm all for it.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
A Peytent thing could be just the idea of what
what was, what used to be, And do I really
want to let go of the possibility of how romantic,
especially as a writer, how romantic it is to fall
in love with your first love and have go through
all this and then come back together and have it work.
I think that's a really appealing storyline, personal storyline in
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the mind of a writer for their own life. So
I would think that that's sort of what he's getting
out of the Peytent thing.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Sophia, did they make you think that you guys were
like back on the path after that whole play in
house scene.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
No, No, they were always really clear by this point.
But I think because there was so much energy around,
like you know, you and I and the love triangle
was so good for business, and there was so much
like remember this was the era of like those message boards.
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There was so much like team message hearts where I
was like, oh, well team Brook and Brook and Peyton
are on each other's team, right, the boy has to
earn one of them. But there was so much about
trying to please the fan bases, and so there was
a lot of yo yoing, at least as I was
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aware of it. That was very strategic where it was like,
we're going to make everybody think you guys have best
friend energy not dissimilar to Lucas and Haley. We'll put
Lucas and Brook in that category and then people will
say it's because they're in love, and then people will
say he can't be with Lindsay because he's in love
with Peyton, and like they really wanted to play that up,
like who is Lucas gonna end up.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
With poor Chad?
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Like I know, and to your point, joy like sort
of there was a lot in this episode that felt
like it referenced our early seasons in the dynamic mm hmm,
and like I think they really wanted to get back
to that, like Willy or Woney with us from season one.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I mean, but for him, was he ever vilified? Like
I know, like the Brook fans hated Peyton and the
Peyton fans were like, God, damn it, bro get out
of the way. Was Lucas ever in trouble with the
fan base.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I don't think so. I think they all just loved.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
All that, all that brootia. Well here's what I'll say.
Chad was always great with kids. Seeing him with the
baby in this episode was handsome, like he yeah, I
like you know, even when like Peyton and Lucas have
their baby together that day, well, you know, when we
would shoot stuff with the baby, I was just like, wow,
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you are good at this. How many younger siblings does
he have in real life? He's got He's got a
bunch of siblings.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Aren't there four of them?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I don't know what the I know he.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Had like a little sister, so like the little girl thing,
he was already good at. And I liked seeing that
baby just smile at him. You know, there were girls
at home that were like what I wouldn't give to
be a baby and she sitting on his lap right now.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I did love that though, seeing Brooke and Lucas just
being friendly and helping each other out, and yeah, yeah,
it's hard to be young and have a new baby
suddenly thrust on you, and then to have a man
who's willing to be nurturing and show up and help
out it was lovely.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Well, and to have a friend who can be supportive,
and I thought it was so sweet, you know, the nerves.
I remember that line asking him like does everyone know
more about babies than me? Which made me giggle because
I was like, you know, I took care of other
people's kids to like pay my bills, So I was like,
it's funny to have to play a person who doesn't
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know what to do with the baby.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, And you know, it was kind of.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Cool that the Lucas character then talks about what it's
like to have a little sister born when you're eighteen,
you know, Nia and I talk about that a lot.
My best friend has younger siblings who were born when
she was a teenager, and she's she always jokes like, yeah, well,
what it's like to be the first pancake. That's like
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a little misshapen and a little you know, like your
young parents have no idea what they're doing. And then
like when they're older and they have their lives figured
out and they have this next wave of kids, they're like, yeah,
we're pros at this.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I love the dynamic of somebody being like, yeah, I
know because I have a sibling, but essentially I'm an uncle.
And it was sweet. And in the same way that
I liked watching Haley and Lucas, I liked watching Brooke
and Lucas. I like seeing these strong friendships in dynamics that,
you know, let's be honest. On teen dramas, usually when
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you got a boy and a girl on screen, it's romance,
and it's refreshing to see platonic friendship.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yes, yeah, he's not playing anything suggestive right like he
could have.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
He seems like he's really trying to do the right thing,
like he's trying to stick the course with Lindsay and
really commit to it.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, if he's feeling so lonely because he's in that house,
like he begged that chick, let's spend the night. Please
keep the key, keep the key, he said, this is
your home, and she puts it on the dresser. That
was that hurt.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
It hurt, and the great way that Paul directed the
misdirect her walking in with that big overnight bag. I
was like, what's happening, what's going on? And she was
just coming to get the rest of hers. I was like,
oh my god, telling you she could have said yes,
and then coming in with that empty bag.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
To pack up.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I was like, Lindsey, Yeah, she's really showing everybody who's
boxing out.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
She's out, and sitting in an empty house after you've
been rejected is a terrible feeling, you know. Lucas was
like that baby, this baby can stay all week. You'll
just I guess what, Brooke, I got a kid grip.
You want a key, spare key's right here.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Please, I had it made for you today, did Joe?
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I love it? I love it. No, that's a that's
a sweet energy. I thought the family stuff was really sweet.
I loved seeing Lucas and Nathan talk to each other
in this episode at the birthday party and just kind
of like confide in one another where it's like I
have best friend status and I have husband status. There's
just a real camaraderie there that makes the Dan stuff
(46:42):
really pop because it's like all of these people love
each other and they're setting a boundary with this guy
as a unit. And it's still hard.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah sad to see him tell his son I have
six months to live and have Nathan leave. And yet
what else was he going to do. It's the boy
who cried Wolf, like he's just burnt all the bridges.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Nobody believes Dan at this point.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
No can I say it? He's never looked better like
evil man with his haircut and this tamb like Dan
Scott has never looked better. Allow.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
It looked like he's got six months alone.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
No, No, And I thought there was a there was
a moment where I thought deb was going to open
that door and be like, Okay, what's up? And she didn't.
Good for her, I'm a weaker woman than Deb. But
him offering Nathan his childhood sanctuary and Nathan rejecting it
(47:51):
is a big metaphorical decision. I liked that he was like,
I'm not going to give my son the same childhood
that I had. I refuse.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah. Well, And on that sort of theme of nostalgia,
Dan giving Jamie Nathan's first jersey. He's really trying to
pull Nathan back into these happier times childhood we could
go back, and Nathan's just not taking the bait. And
(48:21):
it's really it's really nice to watch, you know, he's
really standing.
Speaker 5 (48:28):
In his.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Fatherhood and his manhood and just saying I'm not going
to be like you.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I'm not going to let you continue to take
advantage of me. I mean it's been just doing it
for years and years and years. Yeah, it's to the
point on the show now where we've just after watching
these episodes so much, I'm like, I don't believe I
don't even believe him. How do we even know it's true? Yeah?
And even if you can, it's he only feels bad
(48:57):
when it affects him, when it's you know, he's just
totally incapable of empathy.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
The thing that wrapped all of this up really nicely
for me, and that I loved watching through the whole
end of the episode was actually the conversation that Brooke
and Lucas got to have together them being friends. To me,
teed up everyone's sort of ending montage because she asks him,
(49:27):
you know, is this how you thought our lives would
turn out? Do you ever do you ever want to
go back? Would you do it differently? And he gets
to admit, you know, I think we have to work
through all this stuff, And like, that's such a theme that,
for whatever reason I find myself exploring in a lot
of conversations with friends right now, like, no matter how
(49:48):
hard things have been, I wouldn't change anything. My friends
are like same, wouldn't change anything to get to this point.
And then freaking Adele kicks in with hometown. What the
what a sink we got?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Everyone is in.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
This place that they need to be, that they've worked
to get, however hard it's been to get here. And
you see all these lovely things happening, people being in
these good zones, the three of you as a family,
you know, Mauf and Milly and the guys and Lucas
and Angie and Brooke and this new friendship, and like
it goes through all this stuff, and then Dan talking
(50:29):
about hometown glory, gets shut down by the son who
doesn't want to be like him. His work working through
all this stuff, like Lucas said, has been to be
a different man. And I was like, Okay, all my
criticisms for this episode out of the window. I am
into this ending Mondogy take it. I'm here for it.
(50:50):
Like I felt like they wrapped it up in a
way that I really got what we were trying to
say to people.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Adele, How did we get that Adele.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Was she was she Adele when we got that song?
Or was she? Did she have an album? Was this
before twenty one came out?
Speaker 1 (51:08):
I mean this was right at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
She was just a baby.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah. I think her album probably came out in two
thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
It's crazy crazy, It's.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Amazing that we got that.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
I know.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I was like that voice.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Wait, I was like, is this happening right now?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
This is like when somebody said, you know, oh, we've
got this great new artist. We want to put it
on Wintrey Hill, we need some placements on TV.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Have you heard of this album called nineteen?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Like?
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Excuse you?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah? It did it?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Did?
Speaker 1 (51:36):
It came out in two thousand and eight?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Oh boy, Lindsay Wolfington.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
That's my honorable mention since we're throwing him out here. Yeah,
Adele is my honorable mention for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'm gonna go with Barbara for this one because I
just think she she commits like nobody else, just so good.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I'm raising my hand and saying I got to actually
do a tie. The Adele sink big and for me,
the platonic friendship energy I really enjoyed because you got
to do it Joy, and so did I, and.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
So did Millie.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, and Millie did with the boys that's a really
good point less one on one but as a group.
Speaker 4 (52:14):
And Peyton with skills Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
God, yep, and Hayley with skills. There was just so
much good.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, I really love it. It just adds a vibe
like not everything has to be romance all the time,
and I love it.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah, man, I'm into all of that. I mean, look, overall,
I liked this episode.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
I thought I had some dick jokes that I wasn't
crazy about. But what doesn't you.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Know, especially in two thousand and eight, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Two thousand and eight. We're gonna look at it through
that less obsessed.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
All right, we have a listener question.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2 (53:00):
From Melissa? Him? Melissa? Why do they have Jamie's birthday
in the middle of basketball season, but Haley went into
labor on graduation day?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
Someone's been paid attention?
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah that is we could have used you in the
writer's room, Melissa.
Speaker 4 (53:17):
Yeah, where were you in two thousand and eight? Melissa? Yeah,
that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Nope, yeah, no's we cannot answer your question with anything reasonable. No,
good excuses writers strike. Yeah, I guess you.
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Know what they do for my daughter's kindergarten. She's five,
Jamie's five. Is that all the summer birthdays celebrate half
birthdays because no one's around in the summer for parties.
That's literally the only thing I can think of to
tell you, Melissa, is that it's his half birthday. It's
not his real birthday. That's all I got.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
It's his un birthday.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Very unhappy birthday to you.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
I like you, sho we spend a wheel.
Speaker 4 (54:05):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
The lord.
Speaker 4 (54:15):
Who's most likely to go viral on TikTok? All right,
I've got an answer because we don't see her, and
I think it's a missed opportunity. I think Lucas's little sister, Lily,
being like a remote kid is all about like TikTok life, Yes,
especially because she's like in her early twenties now. Yeah,
(54:38):
she's doing all those little silly dances where she's like
tapping her hips and clapping her hands.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
And especially being a kid to your point who grew up.
When you said remote, it made me think about like
her life traveling with these fancy parents, Like you know,
she's probably like a modern era, like bind Or Win
meets Emily in Paris. Yeah, she has an interesting life
(55:05):
for people to follow on the internet. Yeah, and you
know she's Karen's kids, so she's probably a really nice person.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah. Remember Karen would always say like dorky mom shit
like I can only imagine Karen's TikTok assessment. Oh my god,
like I'll do a dance with you? Oh sure, laying
it on real thick who does TikTok in real life?
Because I don't have TikTok, so I don't know who
of our friends is on there.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
I mean Barbara, Barbara's daughters. Oh yeah, I don't know
who else.
Speaker 4 (55:34):
I mean Grace who played Baby Jenny made me do
a TikTok video with her when we were at one
of the conventions. It was like her and a bunch
of the other young actresses for like, let's do a
TikTok dance, and I was the old person being like,
I'll stand in the back, I'll clap are you all right? Well,
if you guys are making TikTok videos about drama queens,
make sure you tag us because I don't know how
(55:56):
to do it. So I'm glad you are well.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Come back next week, everybody. Next episode's gonna be Season five,
episode sixteen. Crime won't help you now. Oh, I can't
wait to see what happens.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Then that makes me nervous. Sometimes the titles, I go,
oh boy, what are we in for? Yeah, we'll find
out next week.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Hey, thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
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Speaker 4 (56:21):
Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
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