June 19, 2023 • 59 mins
Hindsight is a powerful tool. It's like getting a second chance to have a first opinion! Sophia, Hilarie and Joy look back at some classic OTH drama from this episode with a new lens and you may be surprised by some of their opinions (they were!)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,
all about them.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
shared for the right teams. Drama, Queens, girl Fashion, but
your tough girl, you could sit with us.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens Drama, queise Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I loved this episode, you guys, I'm I am emotionally exhausted.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Now all these years later, you're still exhausted.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I feel every feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, there's a lot of crying.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah, it's a lot of crying.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's never trying this episode.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
God, but yeah, every cell in my body still feels
all of it.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Pathetic.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Wow, this was big, Yeah, they really. There was just
so many untied things in the episode before and there's
still a lot of untied things.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But it was nice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How sometimes I've seen them, we've seen them do episodes
where it's like they're drawing something out and it's not.
They're not solving anything for us yet, but it still
feels really boring. This one they did a really nice
job on because every piece of it felt interesting.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Everybody's dealing with a different catastrophe.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Yeah, this was such a good episode. Season five, episode eight,
Please please please let me get what I want. Give
him the synopsis, ladies, because it is gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Gorgeous air date February nineteen, two thousand and eight. Peyton
admits her true feelings to Lucas, Brooke makes a play
for Owen, and Marvin tries to convince Milicent he's a
He's a better man than what she thinks he is.
So Haley wrestles with whether or not to reveal the
information that could ruin Lucas's relationship, and Nathan is put
in a position that could end his whole marriage. Oh
(01:52):
you think Yeah, And Lucas and Antoine face the coaching
prospect of playing their season opener at a disadvantage. Directed
by Paul Johanson, Written by the fabulous Mike Daniels who
ended up marrying Mikayla McManus who plays Lindsey.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Like such a happy, happy, gorgeous love story. By the way,
Mike and Mikayla got married. Brendan kersh Our basketball coach
who is also in this episode, and Lisa Goldstein, who
plays Alison got married. We had so much.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
There was real love, yes, cross pollination.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous you know love that came out of
this season in particular, My good ness, what an episode.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I just hope that Mike and Michayla's real engagement was
better than this one, because s I mean, but and
to his credit, he took like a sucky thing and
like gave everybody really good words. And so by the
end of that journey of the engagement, it's like, oh God,
(03:01):
thank god these tour together, you know what I mean.
Like I was feeling like, oh, thank god, they work
this out until Peyton knocks on the door and I
have to snap back into reality and be.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Like, oh nuts, I forgot what side I was on. Yep,
I mean half.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I mean the first act was all like recap, Yeah,
were we saving money still?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah? Probably. But it's amazing that Mike.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It just shows it a great writer Mike is, because
it's amazing that he was able to take an episode
that was full of recap and kind of several of
the same type of scenes over and over and over again.
I mean, especially for Peyton and Lucas.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Oh god, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like, you guys were the same conversation but like six
different ways, and the fact that he made that so good.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
He's this is.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Why people are bringing Mike Daniels into write and run
their shows, because he's brilliant.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah. I mean, he's so so good, and you know,
to the point of when you take a situation that
can be so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I e.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
I was doing a media to get my mind off
of how angry who hides a ring in a sock drawer?
Like you're like, oh, everything is so bad. This is bad, bad,
bad bad, And somehow, through the tears and the fight
and that I'm done feeling like I'm not good enough it,
it does turn into a proposal that you're rooting for.
(04:22):
And I had a moment while we were watching it
where I was like, I hate this for her, but
I want this to work.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like yeah, because when she smiled, it was real, like.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
She's so good.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
When she's like crying, she's so happy. Yeah, he finally asks,
Oh my god, Lindsay is just so good.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I literally wrote down the joy on her face. This
is played so well.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, it worked, and somehow I was I was trying
to justify I was like, I guess when.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You're a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You can be confused in your ex girlfriend who you
love and you kiss her back, but then you see
the woman you love and you're just like, I gotta
throw myself into this so that I don't go down
a trail that I don't want to go down. And
like my brain was running through all the justifications of
is this okay. It's not like it's not okay, but
I kind of wanted it to be okay because I
think there's so much chemistry between the two of them. Yeah,
(05:18):
and the emotions were just so real.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Let's talk about the Lucas stuff because we all were like,
oh God, wrong thing to say, because he does the
same thing to Lindsay that he does to Peyton. Remember
with Payton, he was like, you don't think I can
make it right. That's why you don't want to marry
me because you didn't think I could do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And then with Lindsay, he's like.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I was waiting until I knew I had a second
book in me because I know you don't want to
be married to just the small town basketball coach.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Like there is a nerve there and not saying it's.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
A bad thing, but boyfriend has a soft spot and
don't hit it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's a bruise.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Well, he has such intense imposter syndrome. Yeah, and you
know so many artists do that. It has a name, right,
like impossible is a term, is a thing? Yeah, you know,
But I I wonder like, is that his sort of
(06:19):
like I kind of want to roll my eyes at
it and go okay? Is that the writer is being
annoying being like, oh, the tortured artist, Matt, Matt, Like
the best artists are actually, you know, people who go
to therapy and deal with their But people think like,
I've got to be this tortured artist. I've got to
be this addict, I've got.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
To be a mess.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And and part of me goes, is that writers romanticizing
a tortured artist? Or is it what's striking me in
this moment? Is it a really interesting thing for the
brother who grew up on the quote unquote wrong side
of the tracks, who who's you know, single mom struggled
(06:59):
for his whole life is a fair interesting thing for
Lucas as a character to have this suffering tortured artist
persona because his brother, granted yes, suffered in an injury,
has been dealing with this really terrible year. But like
(07:20):
your brother's in the NBA and you're trying to write
another book when your first book was about the girl
that broke your heart. Like, I don't know, I'm having
this like aha moment of Oh does it track for sure?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I mean it's economic anxiety, absolutely tracks.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Would you grow up a poor kid? Man?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
It? I get butt hurt about stuff like I hate fashion.
I hate fashion because my whole life I got made
fun of for wearing hand me down clothes and high waters.
Oh those bitches at school made so much fun of
me for in high water jeans because I would grow
out of them so fast, And I just as an
(07:59):
adult tense up about that shit. And so I can
understand Lucas Scott being the kid who came from less
being like don't you look at me? Like I'm not
as much as everybody else, Like don't pity me, you
know I am enough, and.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Knowing he's gonna want to provide for a family and
like not have Lindsay have to carry the financial burden
the way that he saw his mom carry that burden.
I think that's got to be a trigger point for
him too, wanting to be able to also contribute to
a household.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Well, I do like Lucas and Lindsay together. In a
world where Peyton Sawyer's back with Jake Jigelski, they would
have lived happily ever after and like had beautiful little
bookie babies and like they'd have been great.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
They they really are good together.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Oh and Mikayla's just so fun. You know, she's a
good actress, but she's also just fun on set. When
Peyton knocks at the door, she's so happy, like she
can't wait to show paint that ring she holds it up.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Oh yeah, in my notes, which are all like the
quotes and the things so we can talk about them,
just all in caps. And then Peyton, it's the one
row of caps in my whole note section. Oh boy, dude,
you you coming to apologize, oh my god, for what
(09:21):
you did because he still loves you. And then her
holding up a ring.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I can't even look at you.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, and Lucas looks like such a hangdog.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
You know. If he was into what he was doing,
he would do like what Nathan does and give like
a really firm like like just smile at Peyton. And
be like, hey, this is my life, Like, make eye contact,
own it. Have a nonverbal connection there. Instead, he's just
like dodging her and look at real shifty.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He's just being a little boy, my guy, not ready
to take responsibility for many things.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Why didn't he just say it's the ring that Keith
gave to Karen, like a, it's a family heirloom. It's
not it's Keith's ring. Yeah, why didn't he say that?
Because he's complicated it's not hard?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well why?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
There is also something about being twenty one.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And it's how to get married so bad.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It happens in the moment. Y'all are nodding, and I'm
nodding because we all did it. Yeah, it happens in
the moment, and you go, well, trains leaving the station,
I better get on it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You think you have so much time when you're young
that you're like things will magically work themselves out. It's
all gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
You also do this thing where you go, oh, if
the scene from the movie is happening to me, it's happening,
so it must be meaningful. We assign, oh, if it's happening,
it's because it's supposed to rather, how do I feel
(11:05):
about this? What do I want?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Like you?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's very easy at twenty one to go, well, here
we are, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the flow. Yeah,
and that's the thing that we certainly didn't unlearn. So
how did we expect our characters to unlearn it?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Hailey figured it out.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
She's the only one asking questions and just being like,
what is happening here?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
The thing that kills me and that Mike wrote so
beautifully is that Haley's asking all these questions of her
friends and doesn't know to ask questions in her own house.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Oh, it makes what's happening in her house all the
more upsetting when it makes it insidious forget what you saw,
let it go, when all these things because she's going, well,
I'm good, it's like, yeah, it's what you just showed us. Hillary.
(12:08):
It's like the person who doesn't see the guy in
the window.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Who is that?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah? I mean I like that Hailey wakes up like
her and Nathan went to bed not so great, And
I like that moment of like rolling over and just
checking in with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It did make me wonder though, when he was saying
it's not your place to tell Lindsey. What like, let's
take a poll, what do you think do you think
Haley should tell Lindsay No.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I thought Haley did absolutely the right thing and go
to Lucas and be like, yeah, you're gonna fix.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
This Lucas first. Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah that's what I thought too.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I agree you start there, but I'm throwing a yellow
card on the soccer field ladies. I hate this thing
of it's not your place, don't get involved. I disagree.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
What's your friend though?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well that's it.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Everybody will do the thing where they say no, no,
it's not your place, and then you know what happens
is everyone in your life says, well, it's not my place,
it's not my place. It's not my place.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Place, is it.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
It's why a car accident can happen and forty people
can be standing on the sidewalk going oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god, and no one calls
nine one one until one person points and says, you
call nine one one.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You do this.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
People need a directive. And I will say that I
think this notion that you shouldn't get involved is not cool,
because it's what allows people who are dishonest and shy
to their partners to get away with it.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean that's I think if it were it
was like JOHNK and Fergie and those guys like talking
to Lucas saying, hy Man, that's not cool. He might
brush that off, but Hey is his lifelong best friend
and just cuts.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Through the with a quickness.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, that's what. That's the whole reason you have friends.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like, sure, you're gonna people to like hang out with,
but there's supposed to be people in your life that
will call you on things and who're gonna step up
and if you're in danger, they're gonna jump in for
you and say like, hello, you're in danger. I gotta
tell you something.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And that's what you need is for people who say
I love you enough to tell you that what you're
doing is fucked.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Wait are you calling Peyton danger because that sounds fun
for me? In danger? You're in danger.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Run you're in danger, baby.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I thought Haley, like I was hoping that she would
go to Lucas first and not not go to Lindsay first,
because that's her, that's her first priority in the friendship.
That's just been a part of for a long time.
But she doesn't even get a minute yeah, I mean
after a minute, Like if Lucas really continued on down
that road and never told Lindsay, I don't know what
I would do if that was my friend. I think
(15:08):
I'd probably be like, listen, I'm going to have to
tell her because I'm friends with both of you, guys.
I can't just like sit here, So you got to
tell her or I'm going to have you ever had
to do that with a friend, Like if you don't
tell with a friends, like somebody you found out was cheating,
If you don't tell her, I'm going to no.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I mean no, But that's the move.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Right, Like if you were put in that position, that's
the move.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, right, y'all listen.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I'm a huge vander Pump Rules fan, and so I
have had my fill of cheating this season. It's if
you don't watch the show, it means nothing to you.
But if you watch this terrible reality show, you're.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Like, dh San Deval's the devil.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Because he cheated on Arihanna And so I'm more worked
up about these strangers.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So what's wild? Is I don't watch it. But my
friend Elizabeth, who has a phenomenal podcast, did a whole
episode about this, and I was like, I'm watching your stuff,
tell me what happened. So I had her tell me
about it. And then because you and Jeff watch it.
(16:16):
And I have two friends, like two of my best friends,
one in LA and one and you two in New York,
who are obsessed with this ship. So all the Instagram
algorithms serves me as it started this. And so I
have never seen this show, and I know more about
these people, more about the exposed timeline, more about the
(16:37):
fact that these people cheated behind the woman's back when she.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Was at a funeral.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I know all this, and I have never seen one
episode of a Real Housewives or a vander Pump. I
don't know if they're associated. I feel like she's on
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Maybe I don't know. Okay,
she is great. I know so much about this, against
my will.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm so glad we could give that to you. Oh,
against my will.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
But now that I know, I'm invested, because here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It always gets exposed, right, it always gets exposed down
the line. And what I learned from the Reunion special
is that if you're on the side of keeping secrets
for someone, you look like an apple on expose day,
and so don't hide shit for your friends. Don't be
(17:31):
an enabler. If something happens like once, like this Lucas
Peyton thing in the office, Yeah, I don't know if
I even consider that cheating. To be perfectly honest, that
is a trauma bond that has a lot of.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Like you are a nicer person than I am.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm also the bitch kissing him, So that's true.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
You're making an excuse for your character. I get that.
I'm like, let me tell you what, if my partner
made out with some I'd be like, I'm I'm gonna
have to kill her.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
We gotta fight.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
One of you has to die, like it's Gladiator times.
Who pick.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I know, it's super it's super easy. When it's fiction,
it's really easy because we know these kids.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
We've watched him since they were little. They're just they're
just sorting it out. But when it's strangers on a
reality show, I'm like, he's gotta die.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
But that's also remember we talked about that a while back.
How you can excuse and humanize and have empathy for
bad behavior on behalf of people you know and love.
Even if you have the characters you know in love
with strangers, we're just ready to like light them on fire.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Who's worse in this week's episode Nathan, who's hiding some
from his wife. Oh boy, are Lucas and Peyton who
are clearly headed down a dangerous path?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Y'all?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
It's bad Nanny Carey being like, you have pain on
your face, oh, on your nyelids.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And we can see that it's not it's.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Not just it's so right outside of his son's bedroom,
where he could have just gotten up for a second
and poked his head out in the hallway and been
like I have to go to the bathroom or whatever.
It's just it's amazing to me, amazing, And I really
don't understand why Nathan seemed so confused. He just stood
there looking really confused, And it's so not confusing to me.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Did it make you mad to watch Joy?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Ye? Obviously, I'm still in my patent body, like in
your Hailey body.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You're like, I'm gonna murder them?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Made me mad, Like stand up for your family, damn it?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah? Push her down the stairs. Sure, push her away.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And then put her in a taxi. Tell her to
pack her bags and put her in a taxi. You
need to leave tonight.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Then the fact that you guys have that scene in
the kitchen. Yeah, And what I thought they did well
in the edit was when he looks for you, you're looking
at something you're like in the fridge, and then you're
doing something on the kitchen island, and it feels like
a misconnection.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But my god, like he was like waiting to tell
me as soon as I came in. He was standing
at the counter like, yes, I gotta figure out how
to say this. I gotta figure how to say it.
And then Haley says the one thing that gives him
an out, some secrets are better left and said.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I loved it when you guys were in bed and
You're like, I saw Lucas kiss Clayton and he said.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Oh, maybe it was just a friendly kid.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And so when when Nanny Caries like doing the fake paint,
and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Maybe this is just a friendly kid. Maybe.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
But it's also interesting that in that scene with you guys,
he says it's not your place. He needs to be
man enough to tell her, and then at the end
of the when he's confronted with the opportunity to tell you,
he can't because again, when you're in a situation, it's
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really hard to overcome your feelings and the conflict and
the I don't want to ruin a good thing for
my family, and she's having this time in her job
and whatever it is. I'm also flattered by this could
be the subconscious choice, But when we look at other people,
(21:31):
we're just like, should be easy, say it, figure it out. Yeah, No,
I think that's a really interesting thing that, again, to
his credit, Mike Daniels as a writer, was able to
weave the ease that we have for seeing the clear
(21:51):
black and white of someone else's situation and then the
minute that it's ours, it's so confusingly Gray, he did
a really good job for everyone in this episode of
giving them like real emotional turmoil.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, I love Brooke Davis's emotional arc in this because
it is kind of Morley Gray. She's everyone's great friend,
like Brooke shows up for everyone, and the one little
piece of candy she wants for herself is this owen thing,
and he keeps pushing her on all of the superficiality
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that she's able to use as her armor.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And it could go one of two ways.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
It could be gross and like super alpha male, like
you're not in charge here, but the way it's crafted,
it comes off like he actually does want to get
to know this person, and he doesn't care about the
clothes and he doesn't care about the cars.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Did you like doing this arc with Joe? Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I loved it, especially because you know, we were five
seasons into this show and there was this There was
just this whole like idea that you know, TV was
amazing and that everything was amazing, And in a way,
I actually felt a real parallel between what Brooke and
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Owen were doing on screen and what Peyton did with Mollie,
saying like, oh yeah, you read a story and you
thought how romantic that he carried me out of the
school shooting. I was trying not to bleed to death.
The reality of a situation is not often how the
story gets told. And what I loved about what the
(23:48):
Brook and Owen storyline was is that Rooke Davis as
a character was like, oh yeah, if I'm always going
to be on display, I'm going to figure out how
to use it because I can't admit that it makes
me really uncomfortable. And it gave me this avenue to
(24:08):
figure out, like where my gratitude for our job was,
but also where the discomfort with this sort of like
always being expected to be on was and in the
stuff with Joe and I. Even though for me as
Sophia there was conflict and confusion, I never felt permission
(24:34):
to show that because the minute that you know you're
on a quote unquote hit TV show and you say like,
this is hard for me, people are like, sure, you
are grateful, you know, but it was hard for all
of us in a lot of ways. And I liked
that my character leaned in and then had someone else saying,
(24:58):
but that can't really be what makes you happy, right?
I was like, whoa, this is?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I love seeing Brook use all of her all of
her usual tricks and her cute flirtatious things in the
backseat thing, you know, it's like all she keeps every
time she comes toward him, it's with all these tricks
or every time he tries to come get to know her,
she busts them out and he's like, can we how
do we weed out all this stuff. I actually really
do want to get to know you. I think you're
(25:24):
really worthwhile, but I'm having trouble getting past all of
the things that you're throwing up to distract me from
who you really are.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And what I loved was that when he came to
the store, oh, I was basically like, oh, you have
a gimmick. I'm not gonna gimmick. And then she was like, oh,
baby boy, you haven't seen my gimmicks.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You want to see them.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm going to give you all.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
The gimmicks, and then when I break you, I'm gonna
say no, no, you said no gimmicks bye.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Like I loved.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
I loved the energy of that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
But she didn't break him.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh yes she did.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
He was totally playing.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Her that like he was like, fine, yeah, you went okay,
I'll give you exactly what you want and you're gonna
be too too scared to actually go through with this.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Oh see, I didn't feel that.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I felt like that's so funny.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
In having done it, it was.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It was very.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Very much like I remember the night in the night
in the car. It was like so visceral, especially because
he she like makes a wise crack about his car
and he gets all mad about it, which was.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
He does get macho.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, he gets so mad, and the and the irony
for me playing Brook, not that Owen would have known it,
but was like, my best friend drove this comment, like,
you guys basically drive the same car. I don't give
a shit about your car.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Owen and Peyton are a lot alike in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
No, they really are, and it tracks for us. And
and I just loved that that there was this moment,
and I remember being in it that night and just
being you know, Joe and I talking about it and
him being like, it's kind of great that in every
way that he pokes her, She's just like okay.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Until until Brook loses her mind and she says, what
is the comment about the fugly giantes?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh my gosh, fugly giant test. Oh god.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I loved fugly giant testugly giant so much, so much
because that's Brooke Davis breaking breaking that. All right, fine,
just whoever this troll is. I loved that because then
she pulls it together. But then Stew's about it with Jamie,
(27:47):
which is so cute. Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I loved that scene of you guys out there with
the chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was so nice to see the town too.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Yeah, that that scene for me with Jackson, like this
whole season truly was like our season of being the
best of friends, and like, you know, I babysat him
all the time, like he was just such a sweet kid.
It was like a really precious moment. And then you know,
of course, like everybody grows up, like you know, he
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started playing like local sports with other kids. I became
less cool, but this is the year. But I was
like the cool big sister and we had the best time.
And probably one of the like top five sense memory
experiences that I have from the whole show is that
scene in that blue satin tank top and Jackson with
(28:40):
chocolate ice cream all over his face and little so
happy and like we just had the best time. And
I remember figuring out with him how that scene was
going to go, and like little tricks to be like, hey,
if you say it to me like this, remember that
(29:01):
Joe said it like this, and and this little boy
figuring out how to do like comedic callbacks, and yeah,
oh it was so it was so so great.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I love that What's under the Clothes Brooke Davis. I
can't decide how I'm so lucky Peel about that line.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I know that's how I felt.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I was like, oh, I don't know if I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
They made a five year old, six year old boy
say that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I don't love it. I love it, but it was funny.
I mean, it is real life. I guess it's real life, but.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
That he could see it like that. The whole point
Owen's point was what's under the persona of the fashion designer?
And then this boy saw it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yes, he saw Brooks reaction to it.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah, it was only really at the end of the
episode that you were like, Okay, she's gonna pull out
like this high school trick and then oh my god.
I mean it's like it's like a cold shower. She
gives Owen just like okaybye.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He was calling her bluff. I'm gonna go down. Swing
it on that.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
I was disappointed. I really thought she was going down.
It was like, if everyone else is miserable.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
At least we should get some little love.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
She was such a good friend to Peyton, like she's
been helping everybody out. She baby sat all day, like
let the girl hook up with the cute bartender.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It'll happen delayed gratification, I will.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Say, because you just said, you know the way that
she shows up for Peyton. I that's one of those
other things that I have a visceral sense memory of
is that scene with us, and I remember getting into it.
I remember, you know, all the stuff we had to
(30:51):
do to set up the fireplace because like for our
friends at home, these weren't real houses. That wasn't a
real fireplace. It's like a you have a fire seat
on set.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, it's a long tube, a big like can of
gas and a guy with a big mustache, usually with
a cigarette dangling out of his mouth exactly.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
And like, oh, that scene was so.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Special.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
And I remember when we were shooting it, you know,
because the house was built on a sound stage, so
I was coming in from you know, outside, but there
was no outside, there was no there there and opening
that door and coming in and.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You were just.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You were like a raw nerve.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
And it was beautiful and it made me I was
like instantly back there with you, and it made me
want to cry, like cause you just were so present
in this. I cannot believe I thought this was my
story and now I'm here and he's engaged to someone else,
and it was like, oh my god, it was so beautiful.
(31:57):
And then we burned the book.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Come on, I'm all burn But Hillary, you cried like
six different ways in this episode. Somehow you managed to
pull out a new emotion every time.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You guys know, That's why I'm such a goober now,
is because I'm never gonna cry again. I loved that scene.
I loved it so much. I loved it when we
did it. I love it fifteen years later. I remember
it so so well, and I think it stands out
to me so much because I don't let people touch me.
(32:33):
I don't like people touching me, and I can do
it because I know how to be a people pleaser.
But people in my life don't touch me. And Brooke
and Peyton are so physically connected with one another. It's
a thing that I love because it makes it so singular,
(32:53):
like Peyton and I are the same that way.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
The scene of Peyton at.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Her mother's grave all by yourself, or sitting on the
pool table by yourself, that's most like me. But when
you have that special thing where it's like, oh, there's
that one person that's allowed to touch you. My girlfriend's
share a game. Is that person here where I live,
where she doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
That I don't like to be touched. She pulls me
into her big bosom and she's like, get in here.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
So it's I can feel Peyton's reluctance to connect.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
With a lot of people that way, but that she's
just got that one mothering person. It's so important.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It's really interesting that you say that because the thing
that struck me and you know, we talked about it
a little bit in our podcast world at the end
of season four that in that finale episode, that house party,
we had a real like holy experience together you and
(33:56):
I and I remember how everything felt different going into
season five.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, if it was locked and.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It was like, oh my god, the like the cellular
memory I have watching Brook and Peyton b roommates and
knowing how that felt for you and me because it
felt the closest to our initial like falling in love
with each other at level five like season one friendship again.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, essentially it's what we were redoing, you guys.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
We got to come back after this five year gap
and redo what we had done season one behind the scenes,
like it's so meta and weird.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
No, it's so weird, and like watching that moment and
we sit and we put the book in the fire
and like I wrap you up and you put your
head on my shoulder and I remember it and just
being like I'm gonna hug you and I'm with you.
You don't like to be touched, and I touch you
all the time. I don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
I think those people in your life are so important,
because if it was to me, I would just.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Be like, oh god, I don't know what to do
with my body, like I need someone else to initiate.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
But there's something so special about that. And I even
think about like when we all did that, that that
prompt thing.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
What was it at?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Where were we wash it? When we did our first
our first like big live thing together. Oh yeah, and
we just like stood and hugged like it. There really
is something about the people who've been in it with you.
You can wrap you up when you need it and
when you don't want it, when you actually need it,
(35:42):
like yeah, And I could feel all of that in
this episode, like I could see it.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, everyone reaching for each other.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah, like people needing to be together.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Joy. It makes me feel bad that your character is
like isolated in a way, like you're at odds with
everyone or you're just like too busy to hang out
with Brooke.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Was it not fun?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I don't want to be dismissive of like what you
were experiencing in that moment that we got to do
all this like feel good.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
No, it's great. I love that for you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I mean it's an iconic thing about this show that
made people fall in love with it, and I mean
that friendship is reflected all over in Girls Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think they didn't quite know what to do with me,
and I think we've talked about that before, where it's like, Okay,
well now she's married, she has kid, she's a teacher,
she's basically like a mom, now, so what do we
do with her?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Did you ever.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Feel like some of that also came from the fact
that Nathan and Haley were always so popular that like
the fans were like more Nale, more Nally, more Nay,
and so in a way they kind of were like, well,
we just got to give them more. Where are this
and the rest of.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Us, Yeah, they just wrote us into a corner. Well
kind of and like By the way, I love watching
Nathan and Haley. I love I love to the point
of what we talked about earlier, the way they're like
the missed connections in this whole Nanny Carey storyline. They're
so authentic, they're so important. But I do feel like,
(37:22):
in a.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Way, because Nathan and Haley got married really young, Haley
became so much like yeah, so much of the adult yeah,
and like while the rest of us were still kind
of doing dumb kids, you didn't get to do as
much of it because your character was the wife mom.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
The mature one had to be mature. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And after Nathan what he had been through with his accident,
and I think Hailey also, well, I don't think Nathan
and Haley spent much time just like b and bff
and getting to you know, it was always very romantic,
and then struggling through her tour and then struggling through
his basketball and the college, and there was just always
(38:09):
so many things that were coming at her, at them.
So I don't know, maybe that's what this next season
is for what's coming up.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Not sure.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Y'all just need to lay in bed and watch vander
Pump Rules.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We just need to like, I want to see them
be buddies.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I do take a lesson from the Morgan household and
just watch reality.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I want to see them be easy.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, me too, me too so, but that's not gonna
happen a day soon.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And when they are easy in a way, Haley in particular,
because Nathan still got to kind of be one of
the boys and a brother and whatever. And there were
moments that the three of us got, especially at the
start of the season when Nathan and Haley were in
a rough patch. Yeah, girls got to be girls. But
(38:57):
it does feel a little bit like the right missed
the opportunity for Haley's continued girlhood, maybe because they were
just so many dudes that they were like, well, the
dudes are playing basketball, but like she's off being a mom.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, what does what do moms do? What does my
mom do?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
What do moms do?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Moms make sandwiches?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Like what, it's so weird, you know, And that's what
they think, I guess.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
But Haley got a lot of like where we got
to be roommates. Her Brook and Peyton got to have
this sort of second adolescence because Haley had a family,
she got the producing and then in the later seasons,
like you know, Hill, when you left, like Haley got
(39:46):
a sister, like Quinn came into the mix and right,
But Haley's world has really always revolved around family, and
I wonder if subconsciously that came from, you know, her
becoming the youngest wife and mom. I don't know, I've
never really thought about it this way before, but now
my brain is spinning.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I have any hear.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
All the girls I know that had babies in high
school are like the spiciest most stonishes.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Like like, for sure Haley could have been spicy.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, there's a lot they could have done. It's not
like I was lacking in personality.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
But I think I.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Also, you know, as we know, he liked to Our
boss liked to mirror what was going on in real life.
And I've certainly in a personal place in my life
where I felt isolated from everything and everyone, and so
maybe kind of subconsciously I was bringing that to work
as well, and maybe I was contributing to creating that
in some subconscious way.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I mean, who knows. But our boss was also deeply
reductive and only knew how to write women in certain ways,
like he wrote the character of Alice to be liked
this predatory boss and then oh, she's fired, and guess what,
Alice has slept with every single one of her employees,
every guy at work, any woman, Like, oh, come.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
On the but dump bump of that was so flat.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
I was like, oh, man, yeah, yeah, she couldn't just
be like a like a boss lady.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
She had to be a hole of course.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Ugh.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
And it was Rick with the two pet and then
it was Mouth's friend who was bald, and then it
was Mouth also who was the nerdy guy, and then
it was also so and so like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Oh and maybe for Millie standing up for herself, because
as much as I can't wait to see them find
their way, the fact that he comes to her and
not that she would even know this, but I'm sure
she could sense it. He comes to her on a rebound.
I mean, I know he was thinking about her and
he was quitting and he but it was like to me,
it came across like he was reaching for her, as
(41:52):
like maybe something good will come of this choice that
I've made, Like, see, I made a good choice, will
you reward me for it? And it's like, no, I'm
not youre in reward for making the right choice. I
don't want to be the thing that makes you feel
better about they stuff that just happened.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
I super didn't like that mouth went to Milly and said,
I'm not that kind of guy. I'm not that guy.
Hold on, I wrote it down. It maybe yeah, he
wrote I'm not that guy. But we saw what he
did with Shelley. We saw how like creepy he was
with Rachel half the time, like malth has been that guy.
(42:28):
And I had a conversation with my son driving to
school the other day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I was just like, all right, you never tell people
what you are.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
Don't say that you're a jock, don't say that you're
an artist, don't say what you are. Just do the thing.
Let other people decide what you are. Don't talk about it,
be about it and mouth. Anytime someone says I'm a
good guy, that is a red flag.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, anytime anyone has to say.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
I'm the good guy, I'm yeah, I'm a good person.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I'm the good guy.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
What I liked, though, is that she made a decision
about how she felt, and then he said, yeah, I'm
not living up to the person I think I am.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Well you have the opportunity to grow for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
It is that he he got to be a kid
who was like, well, I've been caught up in a
thing and I'm not proud of it. Let me be
the person someone might be proud of. And I loved
that when he realized he was being on a gross
(43:42):
saying no, no, I'm not this, I'm not this. Then
he said, you know what, let me give you a chance,
or let me ask you to give me a chance.
Let me show you who I am. And then suddenly
it felt like we got our friend back.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
He was like, let me take you to see this
thing that's important to me. And then the big surprise is,
I can see any sporting event in the world. Here's
this ballet. Tell me about why you love this. I
was like, oh god, my Daniels, that is good writing good,
romantic good.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
We're all products of our environment, you know, And when
you're a kid, you don't get to choose your environment.
But then you hit the stage that our characters are
at and you do get to pick your environment. And
Mouth had been in one that was toxic and making
him toxic and awful, and so he's choosing a new environment,
and Millie is just a an oasis.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Well, and by the way, Peyton does this the same thing,
however difficult it might be. At the end of the episode,
when she walks into that gym and says, I'm just
gonna pretend like I watched this girl who lives through us,
and you know what I'm gonna do is as hard
as it is for me. I'm gonna choose to be
(45:00):
a person who's happy for you.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And that speech is my favorite moment in the whole episode.
I loved us so beautifully done well.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
It was gorgeous, like Hillary, this episode for you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Was so good.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah, and I loved seeing this group of friends in
many ways, through what said and unsaid, through what Haley
says to Lucas and challenges him, the advice she gets
from Nathan, some of what she hides and some of
what she calls out, some of what you know Brooke
(45:34):
is asking for versus holding close to the best, what
Peyton is admitting and then trying to teach from like
everyone is really, really in it, and it all gets
encapsulated in that moment of I don't know what the
answer is, but what I'm gonna do is show up
for you and your happiness, even if it's hard for me.
(45:56):
Like everyone's just trying to figure out how to find
it and how to witness it for other people. And
I really did feel like Peyton, in a way for
all of our characters, became this guide post in this episode.
And maybe it's because you do so much voiceover and
(46:17):
you read from Lucas's book, but.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
I felt like all of us, against those passages, were
just like trying to find it, and it really made
for this like cool arc that when you see that
moment in the gym, you go, like everybody's doing the
best they can and kind of failing by the way,
Like everybody's really in a precarious position, but we're trying,
(46:48):
and some people are succeeding, you know, better than others.
Mouth is doing something right by the end, and Haley
and Nathan are conflicted, and Peyton's crying, and Lucas is
engaged and Broke doesn't have sex with Owen but like
she's no that that.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Thing that Mike wrote.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
It really resonated with me watching it all these years later,
because when we lived in Wilmington, like I was hanging
out with bands.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
I was obsessed.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
There's this book called The Secret Lives of the Muses,
and it was about all these women who had inspired
great men.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
And at the time, there was no cooler thing I.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
Can think of than like be in a muse, right,
Like that was just such like a sexy idea. And
now that I'm an old, gray haired woman and I
write books, I'm like that.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Why would I ever muse? Like that's crazy. You have
to be your own muse.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
And my favorite poet and a Saint, Vincent Malay, would
do that. She would write love poetry about herself about
like if I were.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
A man, this is what I'd say about me. I'm
fantastic boss.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
It's so sexy and cool.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
And so I loved that monologue about you can write
about yourself. You don't have to live and hope that
someone else writes about you.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And it's the right thing Peyton does with Lucas too.
I think going in and saying I'll do it, I'll
let you go because I love you and I care
about you, and definately like letting you go on your way.
That releases her too, and that is self care that
is her loving herself and trusting that there's something better
coming along the way.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
The only thing that's a little iffy, there's one iffy part.
So like that leaf falls in the cemetery scene and
like lands on Keith Scott's grave, and you know it's
a sign from her mom like be like Keith.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Right, we should all be more like Keith. But in Peyton, like.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Bringing that up to Lucas, it feels Scooch manipulative and
being like, hey, I'm the Keith to your Karen, so
you just do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
But I know you're gonna come back to me. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't know if that's manipulative.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
It's honest.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
That's what she thinks. That's like how she sees it.
That's what she wants to be. It's a very like
good thing to try to live up to. But she
could have not said uncle Keith, which is definitely like
a trick, like she could have get that part to herself.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Yeah, it's it's a deep cut. It's true, but it's
a deep cut.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, she could have not said it.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
You're right, you better come back to me before I die.
Oh god, that's terrible. I know it's terrible, but y'all,
kids are twenty one. Twenty two year.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Old kids are terrible, so we all have permission to
just be nightmare pass. I mean, now that I've pointed
it out, you can't undersee it. Now you're like, are
you ruined it?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Ma'am? Oh, okay you At the end though, on the
pool table, I loved that choice.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Was that you was that Paul?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Did you walk in to believe Paul set up?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean, I just thought everybody would always have you
just at your desk drawing, and it was so cool
to see something different.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Not Paul.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
What's great about Paul, We've said it a million times,
is that he already knew all the tricks, you know,
he knew all the easy blocking, all the easy and
so Paul was just always up for a curve ball.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
And that set was so fun.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
God, you guys, I loved when we would all be
on that set together.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
It was just just yeah, a really easy, fun, sexy set.
You could go hide in a corner somewhere.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I loved it.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Well, why don't we have an office now with pool table?
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Sounds good to me?
Speaker 4 (50:45):
All right?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
All right? The episode ended with Lucas saying, why don't
we get married right away? Oh?
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Yes, that feels like a red flag to me.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, right, Lindsay's gonna call him on it, surely right.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
She's really excited.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
She's been wanting this for a while and she finally
got what she wanted. But she's so smart.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I don't know. As I recall, he's gonna leave her
at the altar. Isn't that what happens? No, baby, she
leaves him, He leaves him, She leaves him at the altar? Yes,
or that she leaves.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Him, Oh my god. I mean, we don't want to
ruin it for anyone, but.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, you can put in spoiler alert if you want.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
If you don't know, it's been on television for like
decades at this point.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
They don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's like, humphrevok our Nigmund Bergmann don't end up together.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Sorry, guys.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
Yeah, we clearly have not seen it, though we have
some memories. If they haven't seen it, I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
It's crazy how much I remember filming this season, like,
I remember every part.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I remember the wedding, We had fun, we were being
in those pews fine.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Us sitting in those pews was so fun, and the
misdirects that come at the wedding were so fun. I
will say you get some foreshadowing of that, like maybe
this is my honorable mention. I don't know, but skills
showing up to toast Luke on his engagement and being
(52:11):
like who is it?
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Who is it?
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Which one lindsay could be Brooke At this point.
Speaker 6 (52:18):
That comedy was so good strong.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
What else did we miss? What did we miss anything?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
That's Jamie calling Nanny Carey mom. I was just gonna
say it, Jamie, I'm sorry to step on your No.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
Yeah, we're just looking at the same part in our notes,
which feels sparkly because that was so mama. Uh, I
mean Nanny Carey. That was a knife in my gut.
I can't know you felt, because I didn't even play
his mom and I was upset about it.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
My first reaction was, that's not realistic. No kid's gonna
mistake than nanny for his mother. But I have to say,
especially when Maria was younger, you know, because her and
I don't live together, so she if she's been with
him for like three weeks at a time, which that's
sometimes the schedule is like that when she comes back,
you know, within the same day, we'll be I'll pick
(53:10):
her up in the airport, or even the day the
next day and she'll say she'll have something. She'd be like, oh, Papa,
I mean mom, you know, because she's just been so
used to having it come out of her mouth all
the time.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, it's totally realistic.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah yeah, and it's not malicious, it's you know, it's
just you're the person helping me. That is what I'm
used to saying when I'm asking for help.
Speaker 6 (53:34):
Yeah, And what I loved is that, Yeah, that's an
innocent mix up on the part of a little boy.
And then that she is the adult takes it so
far as to say, sometimes I pretend you're my kid
as this like little bonding aside. While by the way,
(53:56):
genius point that Ike wrote for Carrie to come into
Close Over bros And Shop with Millicent being like, yeah,
what was that like? And I need to and she's like, oh, yeah,
you want to go on a date like this top
Oh yeah, and it's full single white female.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
It's so it is so so so.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Watch that movie again, oh right.
Speaker 6 (54:23):
Because in a way to see Carrie in the background
of a scene that's about to begin, you just go like,
oh my god, she's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
And then she's in the.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
Closeover bros top and Haley calls and says, You're like, well,
do I need to come home for dinner? And she's like, no,
they're not here. And then the upstairs Oh my god. Yeah,
every single scene gave me the creeps in the best way.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, which she turns out boys, dinner, Dinner's ready.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Oh the way it's on one.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
Oh boy.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
We told you not to hire the hot nanny.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
We everybody was right, you were all right?
Speaker 6 (55:08):
Sure did all right?
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Do we have any fan questions?
Speaker 5 (55:19):
We do?
Speaker 2 (55:19):
I just saw one Carla. She's asking where did y'all
film the outdoor scenes at the high school? And she's
assuming any inside school scenes were on a set, which
is correct. Yeah, the outdoor scenes were at It was
UNCW Community College.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Came Fair Community College. Wait, wasn't it UNCW?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (55:37):
UNCW? Was it basketball games there?
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Basketball games were Laney, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Burgaw.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
U n CW. We did some like big like Ernest
Widella and I did some like military stuff there.
Speaker 5 (55:53):
Oh. Look, we definitely shot stuff there outside to use
that campus, but we were downtown at Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
I remember the campus.
Speaker 5 (56:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (56:03):
Cape Fear Downtown was like our biggest because that's where
the quad was.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
M hm, that's where we were Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Any bogie that just like happened to walk through a shot, thankfully,
would just look like an extra. Like it really was
the perfect set for us because we would have more
extras just because people were walking to class.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Did people design waivers if they were walking.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
Through because they put up those big signs. Oh yeah,
I could say, if you walk through this area, you
consent to being on film. Yeah, which feels a little shady,
but it's how they would do it.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
I loved those days.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
It's been a wheel, I think so.
Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeahs, this was a good episode. It was a really
good episode. You guys, Okay, I hope.
Speaker 6 (56:51):
I've made any sense on this podcast post show.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
It's like one o'clock in the morning for you, it is,
but it's great.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
This is great. Guys.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
Who's most likely to wait hours in the queue for
Taylor Swift tickets?
Speaker 4 (57:09):
What is in the queue? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (57:11):
In line? Standing in line?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Like Brooke Davis is not gonna wait never.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I don't even think. Maybe Millie would, but she also
seems a little too practical for that.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
I think Brook Davis would be the one who denied
waiting hours.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
But would you think or wouldn't she just send someone
else to wait for her?
Speaker 6 (57:30):
M I don't know that she would trust someone else?
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Is it skills?
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Kills?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
The skills who got notebooked? It's that skills. It's the
skills in love.
Speaker 5 (57:42):
I mean, his favorite singer in real life is Phil Collins,
and one revolves Phil.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
He loves just like a power ballad man.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, so hey, maybe he's our boy.
Speaker 5 (57:53):
Okay, yeah, he would do it. Wait did anybody in
our group go see the Taylor Swift? No?
Speaker 6 (58:00):
I was deeply actively trying, and then I had to
move to London, so no, I had to give up
some tickets. I'm still upset about it.
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Dude, Jeff and I just saw Sisters of Mercy, which
is a very different kind of performance.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
If you're into like.
Speaker 5 (58:18):
Goth metal from the late eighties early nineties, it is
the antithesis of Sweet Taylor.
Speaker 4 (58:25):
Barbara. Oh, Barbara would do it with her girls in
real life. Yeah, that's the right answer. She would. She
would stand out there all day to make sure her
and those girls got in.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yep, and she'd make friends with everybody in line, and
she would probably buy food for everyone.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
She would have snags.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
They'd be like doing TikTok dances to Taylor Swift song.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
She would teach the whole crowd.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yes, that is the perfect answer.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
All right, thanks everybody. I love it.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
What's next week?
Speaker 6 (58:54):
Season five, episode nine for tonight You're only here to know?
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Hmm oh boy, summer run buckle up? All right, bye, Hey,
thanks for listening.
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I loved this episode, you guys, I'm I am emotionally exhausted.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Now all these years later, you're still exhausted.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
I feel every feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, there's a lot of crying.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah, it's a lot of crying.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's never trying this episode.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
God, but yeah, every cell in my body still feels
all of it.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Pathetic.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Wow, this was big, Yeah, they really. There was just
so many untied things in the episode before and there's
still a lot of untied things.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But it was nice.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How sometimes I've seen them, we've seen them do episodes
where it's like they're drawing something out and it's not.
They're not solving anything for us yet, but it still
feels really boring. This one they did a really nice
job on because every piece of it felt interesting.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Everybody's dealing with a different catastrophe.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Yeah, this was such a good episode. Season five, episode eight,
Please please please let me get what I want. Give
him the synopsis, ladies, because it is gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Gorgeous air date February nineteen, two thousand and eight. Peyton
admits her true feelings to Lucas, Brooke makes a play
for Owen, and Marvin tries to convince Milicent he's a
He's a better man than what she thinks he is.
So Haley wrestles with whether or not to reveal the
information that could ruin Lucas's relationship, and Nathan is put
in a position that could end his whole marriage. Oh
(01:52):
you think Yeah, And Lucas and Antoine face the coaching
prospect of playing their season opener at a disadvantage. Directed
by Paul Johanson, Written by the fabulous Mike Daniels who
ended up marrying Mikayla McManus who plays Lindsey.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
Like such a happy, happy, gorgeous love story. By the way,
Mike and Mikayla got married. Brendan kersh Our basketball coach
who is also in this episode, and Lisa Goldstein, who
plays Alison got married. We had so much.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
There was real love, yes, cross pollination.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous you know love that came out of
this season in particular, My good ness, what an episode.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I just hope that Mike and Michayla's real engagement was
better than this one, because s I mean, but and
to his credit, he took like a sucky thing and
like gave everybody really good words. And so by the
end of that journey of the engagement, it's like, oh God,
(03:01):
thank god these tour together, you know what I mean.
Like I was feeling like, oh, thank god, they work
this out until Peyton knocks on the door and I
have to snap back into reality and be.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Like, oh nuts, I forgot what side I was on. Yep,
I mean half.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I mean the first act was all like recap, Yeah,
were we saving money still?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah? Probably. But it's amazing that Mike.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It just shows it a great writer Mike is, because
it's amazing that he was able to take an episode
that was full of recap and kind of several of
the same type of scenes over and over and over again.
I mean, especially for Peyton and Lucas.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Oh god, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like, you guys were the same conversation but like six
different ways, and the fact that he made that so good.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
He's this is.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Why people are bringing Mike Daniels into write and run
their shows, because he's brilliant.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yeah. I mean, he's so so good, and you know,
to the point of when you take a situation that
can be so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I e.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
I was doing a media to get my mind off
of how angry who hides a ring in a sock drawer?
Like you're like, oh, everything is so bad. This is bad, bad,
bad bad, And somehow, through the tears and the fight
and that I'm done feeling like I'm not good enough it,
it does turn into a proposal that you're rooting for.
(04:22):
And I had a moment while we were watching it
where I was like, I hate this for her, but
I want this to work.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like yeah, because when she smiled, it was real, like.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
She's so good.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
When she's like crying, she's so happy. Yeah, he finally asks,
Oh my god, Lindsay is just so good.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I literally wrote down the joy on her face. This
is played so well.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, it worked, and somehow I was I was trying
to justify I was like, I guess when.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You're a kid.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You can be confused in your ex girlfriend who you
love and you kiss her back, but then you see
the woman you love and you're just like, I gotta
throw myself into this so that I don't go down
a trail that I don't want to go down. And
like my brain was running through all the justifications of
is this okay. It's not like it's not okay, but
I kind of wanted it to be okay because I
think there's so much chemistry between the two of them. Yeah,
(05:18):
and the emotions were just so real.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Let's talk about the Lucas stuff because we all were like,
oh God, wrong thing to say, because he does the
same thing to Lindsay that he does to Peyton. Remember
with Payton, he was like, you don't think I can
make it right. That's why you don't want to marry
me because you didn't think I could do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And then with Lindsay, he's like.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I was waiting until I knew I had a second
book in me because I know you don't want to
be married to just the small town basketball coach.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Like there is a nerve there and not saying it's.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
A bad thing, but boyfriend has a soft spot and
don't hit it.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
It's a bruise.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Well, he has such intense imposter syndrome. Yeah, and you
know so many artists do that. It has a name, right,
like impossible is a term, is a thing? Yeah, you know,
But I I wonder like, is that his sort of
(06:19):
like I kind of want to roll my eyes at
it and go okay? Is that the writer is being
annoying being like, oh, the tortured artist, Matt, Matt, Like
the best artists are actually, you know, people who go
to therapy and deal with their But people think like,
I've got to be this tortured artist. I've got to
be this addict, I've got.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
To be a mess.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And and part of me goes, is that writers romanticizing
a tortured artist? Or is it what's striking me in
this moment? Is it a really interesting thing for the
brother who grew up on the quote unquote wrong side
of the tracks, who who's you know, single mom struggled
(06:59):
for his whole life is a fair interesting thing for
Lucas as a character to have this suffering tortured artist
persona because his brother, granted yes, suffered in an injury,
has been dealing with this really terrible year. But like
(07:20):
your brother's in the NBA and you're trying to write
another book when your first book was about the girl
that broke your heart. Like, I don't know, I'm having
this like aha moment of Oh does it track for sure?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
I mean it's economic anxiety, absolutely tracks.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Would you grow up a poor kid? Man?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
It? I get butt hurt about stuff like I hate fashion.
I hate fashion because my whole life I got made
fun of for wearing hand me down clothes and high waters.
Oh those bitches at school made so much fun of
me for in high water jeans because I would grow
out of them so fast, And I just as an
(07:59):
adult tense up about that shit. And so I can
understand Lucas Scott being the kid who came from less
being like don't you look at me? Like I'm not
as much as everybody else, Like don't pity me, you
know I am enough, and.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Knowing he's gonna want to provide for a family and
like not have Lindsay have to carry the financial burden
the way that he saw his mom carry that burden.
I think that's got to be a trigger point for
him too, wanting to be able to also contribute to
a household.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Well, I do like Lucas and Lindsay together. In a
world where Peyton Sawyer's back with Jake Jigelski, they would
have lived happily ever after and like had beautiful little
bookie babies and like they'd have been great.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
They they really are good together.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Oh and Mikayla's just so fun. You know, she's a
good actress, but she's also just fun on set. When
Peyton knocks at the door, she's so happy, like she
can't wait to show paint that ring she holds it up.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Oh yeah, in my notes, which are all like the
quotes and the things so we can talk about them,
just all in caps. And then Peyton, it's the one
row of caps in my whole note section. Oh boy, dude,
you you coming to apologize, oh my god, for what
(09:21):
you did because he still loves you. And then her
holding up a ring.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I can't even look at you.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
I'm so uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, and Lucas looks like such a hangdog.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
You know. If he was into what he was doing,
he would do like what Nathan does and give like
a really firm like like just smile at Peyton. And
be like, hey, this is my life, Like, make eye contact,
own it. Have a nonverbal connection there. Instead, he's just
like dodging her and look at real shifty.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
He's just being a little boy, my guy, not ready
to take responsibility for many things.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Why didn't he just say it's the ring that Keith
gave to Karen, like a, it's a family heirloom. It's
not it's Keith's ring. Yeah, why didn't he say that?
Because he's complicated it's not hard?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well why?
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:15):
There is also something about being twenty one.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
And it's how to get married so bad.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It happens in the moment. Y'all are nodding, and I'm
nodding because we all did it. Yeah, it happens in
the moment, and you go, well, trains leaving the station,
I better get on it.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You think you have so much time when you're young
that you're like things will magically work themselves out. It's
all gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
You also do this thing where you go, oh, if
the scene from the movie is happening to me, it's happening,
so it must be meaningful. We assign, oh, if it's happening,
it's because it's supposed to rather, how do I feel
(11:05):
about this? What do I want?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Is this?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Like you?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
It's very easy at twenty one to go, well, here
we are, so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the flow. Yeah,
and that's the thing that we certainly didn't unlearn. So
how did we expect our characters to unlearn it?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Hailey figured it out.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
She's the only one asking questions and just being like,
what is happening here?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
The thing that kills me and that Mike wrote so
beautifully is that Haley's asking all these questions of her
friends and doesn't know to ask questions in her own house.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Oh, it makes what's happening in her house all the
more upsetting when it makes it insidious forget what you saw,
let it go, when all these things because she's going, well,
I'm good, it's like, yeah, it's what you just showed us. Hillary.
(12:08):
It's like the person who doesn't see the guy in
the window.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Who is that?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah? I mean I like that Hailey wakes up like
her and Nathan went to bed not so great, And
I like that moment of like rolling over and just
checking in with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It did make me wonder though, when he was saying
it's not your place to tell Lindsey. What like, let's
take a poll, what do you think do you think
Haley should tell Lindsay No.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
I thought Haley did absolutely the right thing and go
to Lucas and be like, yeah, you're gonna fix.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
This Lucas first. Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah that's what I thought too.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
I agree you start there, but I'm throwing a yellow
card on the soccer field ladies. I hate this thing
of it's not your place, don't get involved. I disagree.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
What's your friend though?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well that's it.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Everybody will do the thing where they say no, no,
it's not your place, and then you know what happens
is everyone in your life says, well, it's not my place,
it's not my place. It's not my place.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Place, is it.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
It's why a car accident can happen and forty people
can be standing on the sidewalk going oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god, and no one calls
nine one one until one person points and says, you
call nine one one.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You do this.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
People need a directive. And I will say that I
think this notion that you shouldn't get involved is not cool,
because it's what allows people who are dishonest and shy
to their partners to get away with it.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean that's I think if it were it
was like JOHNK and Fergie and those guys like talking
to Lucas saying, hy Man, that's not cool. He might
brush that off, but Hey is his lifelong best friend
and just cuts.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Through the with a quickness.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, that's what. That's the whole reason you have friends.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Like, sure, you're gonna people to like hang out with,
but there's supposed to be people in your life that
will call you on things and who're gonna step up
and if you're in danger, they're gonna jump in for
you and say like, hello, you're in danger. I gotta
tell you something.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
And that's what you need is for people who say
I love you enough to tell you that what you're
doing is fucked.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Wait are you calling Peyton danger because that sounds fun
for me? In danger? You're in danger.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Run you're in danger, baby.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I thought Haley, like I was hoping that she would
go to Lucas first and not not go to Lindsay first,
because that's her, that's her first priority in the friendship.
That's just been a part of for a long time.
But she doesn't even get a minute yeah, I mean
after a minute, Like if Lucas really continued on down
that road and never told Lindsay, I don't know what
I would do if that was my friend. I think
(15:08):
I'd probably be like, listen, I'm going to have to
tell her because I'm friends with both of you, guys.
I can't just like sit here, So you got to
tell her or I'm going to have you ever had
to do that with a friend, Like if you don't
tell with a friends, like somebody you found out was cheating,
If you don't tell her, I'm going to no.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I mean no, But that's the move.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Right, Like if you were put in that position, that's
the move.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
It has to be.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, right, y'all listen.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I'm a huge vander Pump Rules fan, and so I
have had my fill of cheating this season. It's if
you don't watch the show, it means nothing to you.
But if you watch this terrible reality show, you're.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Like, dh San Deval's the devil.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Because he cheated on Arihanna And so I'm more worked
up about these strangers.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
So what's wild? Is I don't watch it. But my
friend Elizabeth, who has a phenomenal podcast, did a whole
episode about this, and I was like, I'm watching your stuff,
tell me what happened. So I had her tell me
about it. And then because you and Jeff watch it.
(16:16):
And I have two friends, like two of my best friends,
one in LA and one and you two in New York,
who are obsessed with this ship. So all the Instagram
algorithms serves me as it started this. And so I
have never seen this show, and I know more about
these people, more about the exposed timeline, more about the
(16:37):
fact that these people cheated behind the woman's back when she.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Was at a funeral.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I know all this, and I have never seen one
episode of a Real Housewives or a vander Pump. I
don't know if they're associated. I feel like she's on
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Maybe I don't know. Okay,
she is great. I know so much about this, against
my will.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm so glad we could give that to you. Oh,
against my will.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
But now that I know, I'm invested, because here's the deal.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It always gets exposed, right, it always gets exposed down
the line. And what I learned from the Reunion special
is that if you're on the side of keeping secrets
for someone, you look like an apple on expose day,
and so don't hide shit for your friends. Don't be
(17:31):
an enabler. If something happens like once, like this Lucas
Peyton thing in the office, Yeah, I don't know if
I even consider that cheating. To be perfectly honest, that
is a trauma bond that has a lot of.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Like you are a nicer person than I am.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'm also the bitch kissing him, So that's true.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
You're making an excuse for your character. I get that.
I'm like, let me tell you what, if my partner
made out with some I'd be like, I'm I'm gonna
have to kill her.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
We gotta fight.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
One of you has to die, like it's Gladiator times.
Who pick.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I know, it's super it's super easy. When it's fiction,
it's really easy because we know these kids.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
We've watched him since they were little. They're just they're
just sorting it out. But when it's strangers on a
reality show, I'm like, he's gotta die.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
But that's also remember we talked about that a while back.
How you can excuse and humanize and have empathy for
bad behavior on behalf of people you know and love.
Even if you have the characters you know in love
with strangers, we're just ready to like light them on fire.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Who's worse in this week's episode Nathan, who's hiding some
from his wife. Oh boy, are Lucas and Peyton who
are clearly headed down a dangerous path?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Y'all?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
It's bad Nanny Carey being like, you have pain on
your face, oh, on your nyelids.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And we can see that it's not it's.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Not just it's so right outside of his son's bedroom,
where he could have just gotten up for a second
and poked his head out in the hallway and been
like I have to go to the bathroom or whatever.
It's just it's amazing to me, amazing, And I really
don't understand why Nathan seemed so confused. He just stood
there looking really confused, And it's so not confusing to me.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Did it make you mad to watch Joy?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Ye? Obviously, I'm still in my patent body, like in
your Hailey body.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
You're like, I'm gonna murder them?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Made me mad, Like stand up for your family, damn it?
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah? Push her down the stairs. Sure, push her away.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And then put her in a taxi. Tell her to
pack her bags and put her in a taxi. You
need to leave tonight.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Then the fact that you guys have that scene in
the kitchen. Yeah, And what I thought they did well
in the edit was when he looks for you, you're looking
at something you're like in the fridge, and then you're
doing something on the kitchen island, and it feels like
a misconnection.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But my god, like he was like waiting to tell
me as soon as I came in. He was standing
at the counter like, yes, I gotta figure out how
to say this. I gotta figure how to say it.
And then Haley says the one thing that gives him
an out, some secrets are better left and said.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I loved it when you guys were in bed and
You're like, I saw Lucas kiss Clayton and he said.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Oh, maybe it was just a friendly kid.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And so when when Nanny Caries like doing the fake paint,
and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Maybe this is just a friendly kid. Maybe.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
But it's also interesting that in that scene with you guys,
he says it's not your place. He needs to be
man enough to tell her, and then at the end
of the when he's confronted with the opportunity to tell you,
he can't because again, when you're in a situation, it's
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really hard to overcome your feelings and the conflict and
the I don't want to ruin a good thing for
my family, and she's having this time in her job
and whatever it is. I'm also flattered by this could
be the subconscious choice, But when we look at other people,
(21:31):
we're just like, should be easy, say it, figure it out. Yeah, No,
I think that's a really interesting thing that, again, to
his credit, Mike Daniels as a writer, was able to
weave the ease that we have for seeing the clear
(21:51):
black and white of someone else's situation and then the
minute that it's ours, it's so confusingly Gray, he did
a really good job for everyone in this episode of
giving them like real emotional turmoil.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Well, I love Brooke Davis's emotional arc in this because
it is kind of Morley Gray. She's everyone's great friend,
like Brooke shows up for everyone, and the one little
piece of candy she wants for herself is this owen thing,
and he keeps pushing her on all of the superficiality
(22:33):
that she's able to use as her armor.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
And it could go one of two ways.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
It could be gross and like super alpha male, like
you're not in charge here, but the way it's crafted,
it comes off like he actually does want to get
to know this person, and he doesn't care about the
clothes and he doesn't care about the cars.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Did you like doing this arc with Joe? Oh?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I loved it, especially because you know, we were five
seasons into this show and there was this There was
just this whole like idea that you know, TV was
amazing and that everything was amazing, And in a way,
I actually felt a real parallel between what Brooke and
(23:24):
Owen were doing on screen and what Peyton did with Mollie,
saying like, oh yeah, you read a story and you
thought how romantic that he carried me out of the
school shooting. I was trying not to bleed to death.
The reality of a situation is not often how the
story gets told. And what I loved about what the
(23:48):
Brook and Owen storyline was is that Rooke Davis as
a character was like, oh yeah, if I'm always going
to be on display, I'm going to figure out how
to use it because I can't admit that it makes
me really uncomfortable. And it gave me this avenue to
(24:08):
figure out, like where my gratitude for our job was,
but also where the discomfort with this sort of like
always being expected to be on was and in the
stuff with Joe and I. Even though for me as
Sophia there was conflict and confusion, I never felt permission
(24:34):
to show that because the minute that you know you're
on a quote unquote hit TV show and you say like,
this is hard for me, people are like, sure, you
are grateful, you know, but it was hard for all
of us in a lot of ways. And I liked
that my character leaned in and then had someone else saying,
(24:58):
but that can't really be what makes you happy, right?
I was like, whoa, this is?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
This is cool.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I love seeing Brook use all of her all of
her usual tricks and her cute flirtatious things in the
backseat thing, you know, it's like all she keeps every
time she comes toward him, it's with all these tricks
or every time he tries to come get to know her,
she busts them out and he's like, can we how
do we weed out all this stuff. I actually really
do want to get to know you. I think you're
(25:24):
really worthwhile, but I'm having trouble getting past all of
the things that you're throwing up to distract me from
who you really are.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
And what I loved was that when he came to
the store, oh, I was basically like, oh, you have
a gimmick. I'm not gonna gimmick. And then she was like, oh,
baby boy, you haven't seen my gimmicks.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You want to see them.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I'm going to give you all.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
The gimmicks, and then when I break you, I'm gonna
say no, no, you said no gimmicks bye.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Like I loved.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
I loved the energy of that.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
But she didn't break him.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Oh yes she did.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
He was totally playing.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Her that like he was like, fine, yeah, you went okay,
I'll give you exactly what you want and you're gonna
be too too scared to actually go through with this.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Oh see, I didn't feel that.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I felt like that's so funny.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
In having done it, it was.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It was very.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Very much like I remember the night in the night
in the car. It was like so visceral, especially because
he she like makes a wise crack about his car
and he gets all mad about it, which was.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
He does get macho.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Yeah, he gets so mad, and the and the irony
for me playing Brook, not that Owen would have known it,
but was like, my best friend drove this comment, like,
you guys basically drive the same car. I don't give
a shit about your car.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Owen and Peyton are a lot alike in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
No, they really are, and it tracks for us. And
and I just loved that that there was this moment,
and I remember being in it that night and just
being you know, Joe and I talking about it and
him being like, it's kind of great that in every
way that he pokes her, She's just like okay.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Until until Brook loses her mind and she says, what
is the comment about the fugly giantes?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh my gosh, fugly giant test. Oh god.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I loved fugly giant testugly giant so much, so much
because that's Brooke Davis breaking breaking that. All right, fine,
just whoever this troll is. I loved that because then
she pulls it together. But then Stew's about it with Jamie,
(27:47):
which is so cute. Oh.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I loved that scene of you guys out there with
the chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was so nice to see the town too.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Yeah, that that scene for me with Jackson, like this
whole season truly was like our season of being the
best of friends, and like, you know, I babysat him
all the time, like he was just such a sweet kid.
It was like a really precious moment. And then you know,
of course, like everybody grows up, like you know, he
(28:17):
started playing like local sports with other kids. I became
less cool, but this is the year. But I was
like the cool big sister and we had the best time.
And probably one of the like top five sense memory
experiences that I have from the whole show is that
scene in that blue satin tank top and Jackson with
(28:40):
chocolate ice cream all over his face and little so
happy and like we just had the best time. And
I remember figuring out with him how that scene was
going to go, and like little tricks to be like, hey,
if you say it to me like this, remember that
(29:01):
Joe said it like this, and and this little boy
figuring out how to do like comedic callbacks, and yeah,
oh it was so it was so so great.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I love that What's under the Clothes Brooke Davis. I
can't decide how I'm so lucky Peel about that line.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I know that's how I felt.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I was like, oh, I don't know if I love that.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
They made a five year old, six year old boy
say that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I don't love it. I love it, but it was funny.
I mean, it is real life. I guess it's real life, but.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
That he could see it like that. The whole point
Owen's point was what's under the persona of the fashion designer?
And then this boy saw it.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yes, he saw Brooks reaction to it.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Yeah, it was only really at the end of the
episode that you were like, Okay, she's gonna pull out
like this high school trick and then oh my god.
I mean it's like it's like a cold shower. She
gives Owen just like okaybye.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
He was calling her bluff. I'm gonna go down. Swing
it on that.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
I was disappointed. I really thought she was going down.
It was like, if everyone else is miserable.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
At least we should get some little love.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
She was such a good friend to Peyton, like she's
been helping everybody out. She baby sat all day, like
let the girl hook up with the cute bartender.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It'll happen delayed gratification, I will.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Say, because you just said, you know the way that
she shows up for Peyton. I that's one of those
other things that I have a visceral sense memory of
is that scene with us, and I remember getting into it.
I remember, you know, all the stuff we had to
(30:51):
do to set up the fireplace because like for our
friends at home, these weren't real houses. That wasn't a
real fireplace. It's like a you have a fire seat
on set.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, it's a long tube, a big like can of
gas and a guy with a big mustache, usually with
a cigarette dangling out of his mouth exactly.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
And like, oh, that scene was so.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Special.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
And I remember when we were shooting it, you know,
because the house was built on a sound stage, so
I was coming in from you know, outside, but there
was no outside, there was no there there and opening
that door and coming in and.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You were just.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
You were like a raw nerve.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
And it was beautiful and it made me I was
like instantly back there with you, and it made me
want to cry, like cause you just were so present
in this. I cannot believe I thought this was my
story and now I'm here and he's engaged to someone else,
and it was like, oh my god, it was so beautiful.
(31:57):
And then we burned the book.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Come on, I'm all burn But Hillary, you cried like
six different ways in this episode. Somehow you managed to
pull out a new emotion every time.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You guys know, That's why I'm such a goober now,
is because I'm never gonna cry again. I loved that scene.
I loved it so much. I loved it when we
did it. I love it fifteen years later. I remember
it so so well, and I think it stands out
to me so much because I don't let people touch me.
(32:33):
I don't like people touching me, and I can do
it because I know how to be a people pleaser.
But people in my life don't touch me. And Brooke
and Peyton are so physically connected with one another. It's
a thing that I love because it makes it so singular,
(32:53):
like Peyton and I are the same that way.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
The scene of Peyton at.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Her mother's grave all by yourself, or sitting on the
pool table by yourself, that's most like me. But when
you have that special thing where it's like, oh, there's
that one person that's allowed to touch you. My girlfriend's
share a game. Is that person here where I live,
where she doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
That I don't like to be touched. She pulls me
into her big bosom and she's like, get in here.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
So it's I can feel Peyton's reluctance to connect.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
With a lot of people that way, but that she's
just got that one mothering person. It's so important.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
It's really interesting that you say that because the thing
that struck me and you know, we talked about it
a little bit in our podcast world at the end
of season four that in that finale episode, that house party,
we had a real like holy experience together you and
(33:56):
I and I remember how everything felt different going into
season five.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, if it was locked and.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
It was like, oh my god, the like the cellular
memory I have watching Brook and Peyton b roommates and
knowing how that felt for you and me because it
felt the closest to our initial like falling in love
with each other at level five like season one friendship again.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, essentially it's what we were redoing, you guys.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
We got to come back after this five year gap
and redo what we had done season one behind the scenes,
like it's so meta and weird.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
No, it's so weird, and like watching that moment and
we sit and we put the book in the fire
and like I wrap you up and you put your
head on my shoulder and I remember it and just
being like I'm gonna hug you and I'm with you.
You don't like to be touched, and I touch you
all the time. I don't care.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
I think those people in your life are so important,
because if it was to me, I would just.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Be like, oh god, I don't know what to do
with my body, like I need someone else to initiate.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
But there's something so special about that. And I even
think about like when we all did that, that that
prompt thing.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
What was it at?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Where were we wash it? When we did our first
our first like big live thing together. Oh yeah, and
we just like stood and hugged like it. There really
is something about the people who've been in it with you.
You can wrap you up when you need it and
when you don't want it, when you actually need it,
(35:42):
like yeah, And I could feel all of that in
this episode, like I could see it.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, everyone reaching for each other.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Yeah, like people needing to be together.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Joy. It makes me feel bad that your character is
like isolated in a way, like you're at odds with
everyone or you're just like too busy to hang out
with Brooke.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Was it not fun?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
I don't want to be dismissive of like what you
were experiencing in that moment that we got to do
all this like feel good.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
No, it's great. I love that for you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
I mean it's an iconic thing about this show that
made people fall in love with it, and I mean
that friendship is reflected all over in Girls Everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think they didn't quite know what to do with me,
and I think we've talked about that before, where it's like, Okay,
well now she's married, she has kid, she's a teacher,
she's basically like a mom, now, so what do we
do with her?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Did you ever.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Feel like some of that also came from the fact
that Nathan and Haley were always so popular that like
the fans were like more Nale, more Nally, more Nay,
and so in a way they kind of were like, well,
we just got to give them more. Where are this
and the rest of.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Us, Yeah, they just wrote us into a corner. Well
kind of and like By the way, I love watching
Nathan and Haley. I love I love to the point
of what we talked about earlier, the way they're like
the missed connections in this whole Nanny Carey storyline. They're
so authentic, they're so important. But I do feel like,
(37:22):
in a.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Way, because Nathan and Haley got married really young, Haley
became so much like yeah, so much of the adult yeah,
and like while the rest of us were still kind
of doing dumb kids, you didn't get to do as
much of it because your character was the wife mom.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
The mature one had to be mature. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And after Nathan what he had been through with his accident,
and I think Hailey also, well, I don't think Nathan
and Haley spent much time just like b and bff
and getting to you know, it was always very romantic,
and then struggling through her tour and then struggling through
his basketball and the college, and there was just always
(38:09):
so many things that were coming at her, at them.
So I don't know, maybe that's what this next season
is for what's coming up.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Not sure.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Y'all just need to lay in bed and watch vander
Pump Rules.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We just need to like, I want to see them
be buddies.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
I do take a lesson from the Morgan household and
just watch reality.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I want to see them be easy.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, me too, me too so, but that's not gonna
happen a day soon.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
And when they are easy in a way, Haley in particular,
because Nathan still got to kind of be one of
the boys and a brother and whatever. And there were
moments that the three of us got, especially at the
start of the season when Nathan and Haley were in
a rough patch. Yeah, girls got to be girls. But
(38:57):
it does feel a little bit like the right missed
the opportunity for Haley's continued girlhood, maybe because they were
just so many dudes that they were like, well, the
dudes are playing basketball, but like she's off being a mom.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, what does what do moms do? What does my
mom do?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
What do moms do?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Moms make sandwiches?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Like what, it's so weird, you know, And that's what
they think, I guess.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
But Haley got a lot of like where we got
to be roommates. Her Brook and Peyton got to have
this sort of second adolescence because Haley had a family,
she got the producing and then in the later seasons,
like you know, Hill, when you left, like Haley got
(39:46):
a sister, like Quinn came into the mix and right,
But Haley's world has really always revolved around family, and
I wonder if subconsciously that came from, you know, her
becoming the youngest wife and mom. I don't know, I've
never really thought about it this way before, but now
my brain is spinning.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I have any hear.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
All the girls I know that had babies in high
school are like the spiciest most stonishes.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Like like, for sure Haley could have been spicy.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, there's a lot they could have done. It's not
like I was lacking in personality.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
But I think I.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Also, you know, as we know, he liked to Our
boss liked to mirror what was going on in real life.
And I've certainly in a personal place in my life
where I felt isolated from everything and everyone, and so
maybe kind of subconsciously I was bringing that to work
as well, and maybe I was contributing to creating that
in some subconscious way.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
I mean, who knows. But our boss was also deeply
reductive and only knew how to write women in certain ways,
like he wrote the character of Alice to be liked
this predatory boss and then oh, she's fired, and guess what,
Alice has slept with every single one of her employees,
every guy at work, any woman, Like, oh, come.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
On the but dump bump of that was so flat.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
I was like, oh, man, yeah, yeah, she couldn't just
be like a like a boss lady.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
She had to be a hole of course.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Ugh.
Speaker 6 (41:21):
And it was Rick with the two pet and then
it was Mouth's friend who was bald, and then it
was Mouth also who was the nerdy guy, and then
it was also so and so like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Oh and maybe for Millie standing up for herself, because
as much as I can't wait to see them find
their way, the fact that he comes to her and
not that she would even know this, but I'm sure
she could sense it. He comes to her on a rebound.
I mean, I know he was thinking about her and
he was quitting and he but it was like to me,
it came across like he was reaching for her, as
(41:52):
like maybe something good will come of this choice that
I've made, Like, see, I made a good choice, will
you reward me for it? And it's like, no, I'm
not youre in reward for making the right choice. I
don't want to be the thing that makes you feel
better about they stuff that just happened.
Speaker 5 (42:08):
I super didn't like that mouth went to Milly and said,
I'm not that kind of guy. I'm not that guy.
Hold on, I wrote it down. It maybe yeah, he
wrote I'm not that guy. But we saw what he
did with Shelley. We saw how like creepy he was
with Rachel half the time, like malth has been that guy.
(42:28):
And I had a conversation with my son driving to
school the other day.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
I was just like, all right, you never tell people
what you are.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
Don't say that you're a jock, don't say that you're
an artist, don't say what you are. Just do the thing.
Let other people decide what you are. Don't talk about it,
be about it and mouth. Anytime someone says I'm a
good guy, that is a red flag.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, anytime anyone has to say.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
I'm the good guy, I'm yeah, I'm a good person.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I'm the good guy.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
What I liked, though, is that she made a decision
about how she felt, and then he said, yeah, I'm
not living up to the person I think I am.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Well you have the opportunity to grow for sure.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
It is that he he got to be a kid
who was like, well, I've been caught up in a
thing and I'm not proud of it. Let me be
the person someone might be proud of. And I loved
that when he realized he was being on a gross
(43:42):
saying no, no, I'm not this, I'm not this. Then
he said, you know what, let me give you a chance,
or let me ask you to give me a chance.
Let me show you who I am. And then suddenly
it felt like we got our friend back.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You know.
Speaker 6 (43:57):
He was like, let me take you to see this
thing that's important to me. And then the big surprise is,
I can see any sporting event in the world. Here's
this ballet. Tell me about why you love this. I
was like, oh god, my Daniels, that is good writing good,
romantic good.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
We're all products of our environment, you know, And when
you're a kid, you don't get to choose your environment.
But then you hit the stage that our characters are
at and you do get to pick your environment. And
Mouth had been in one that was toxic and making
him toxic and awful, and so he's choosing a new environment,
and Millie is just a an oasis.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Well, and by the way, Peyton does this the same thing,
however difficult it might be. At the end of the episode,
when she walks into that gym and says, I'm just
gonna pretend like I watched this girl who lives through us,
and you know what I'm gonna do is as hard
as it is for me. I'm gonna choose to be
(45:00):
a person who's happy for you.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
And that speech is my favorite moment in the whole episode.
I loved us so beautifully done well.
Speaker 6 (45:09):
It was gorgeous, like Hillary, this episode for you.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Was so good.
Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah, and I loved seeing this group of friends in
many ways, through what said and unsaid, through what Haley
says to Lucas and challenges him, the advice she gets
from Nathan, some of what she hides and some of
what she calls out, some of what you know Brooke
(45:34):
is asking for versus holding close to the best, what
Peyton is admitting and then trying to teach from like
everyone is really, really in it, and it all gets
encapsulated in that moment of I don't know what the
answer is, but what I'm gonna do is show up
for you and your happiness, even if it's hard for me.
(45:56):
Like everyone's just trying to figure out how to find
it and how to witness it for other people. And
I really did feel like Peyton, in a way for
all of our characters, became this guide post in this episode.
And maybe it's because you do so much voiceover and
(46:17):
you read from Lucas's book, but.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (46:22):
I felt like all of us, against those passages, were
just like trying to find it, and it really made
for this like cool arc that when you see that
moment in the gym, you go, like everybody's doing the
best they can and kind of failing by the way,
Like everybody's really in a precarious position, but we're trying,
(46:48):
and some people are succeeding, you know, better than others.
Mouth is doing something right by the end, and Haley
and Nathan are conflicted, and Peyton's crying, and Lucas is
engaged and Broke doesn't have sex with Owen but like
she's no that that.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Thing that Mike wrote.
Speaker 5 (47:08):
It really resonated with me watching it all these years later,
because when we lived in Wilmington, like I was hanging
out with bands.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
I was obsessed.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
There's this book called The Secret Lives of the Muses,
and it was about all these women who had inspired
great men.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
And at the time, there was no cooler thing I.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
Can think of than like be in a muse, right,
Like that was just such like a sexy idea. And
now that I'm an old, gray haired woman and I
write books, I'm like that.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Why would I ever muse? Like that's crazy. You have
to be your own muse.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
And my favorite poet and a Saint, Vincent Malay, would
do that. She would write love poetry about herself about
like if I were.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
A man, this is what I'd say about me. I'm
fantastic boss.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
It's so sexy and cool.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
And so I loved that monologue about you can write
about yourself. You don't have to live and hope that
someone else writes about you.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
And it's the right thing Peyton does with Lucas too.
I think going in and saying I'll do it, I'll
let you go because I love you and I care
about you, and definately like letting you go on your way.
That releases her too, and that is self care that
is her loving herself and trusting that there's something better
coming along the way.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
The only thing that's a little iffy, there's one iffy part.
So like that leaf falls in the cemetery scene and
like lands on Keith Scott's grave, and you know it's
a sign from her mom like be like Keith.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Right, we should all be more like Keith. But in Peyton, like.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
Bringing that up to Lucas, it feels Scooch manipulative and
being like, hey, I'm the Keith to your Karen, so
you just do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
But I know you're gonna come back to me. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't know if that's manipulative.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
It's honest.
Speaker 5 (49:13):
That's what she thinks. That's like how she sees it.
That's what she wants to be. It's a very like
good thing to try to live up to. But she
could have not said uncle Keith, which is definitely like
a trick, like she could have get that part to herself.
Speaker 6 (49:29):
Yeah, it's it's a deep cut. It's true, but it's
a deep cut.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, she could have not said it.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
You're right, you better come back to me before I die.
Oh god, that's terrible. I know it's terrible, but y'all,
kids are twenty one. Twenty two year.
Speaker 5 (49:45):
Old kids are terrible, so we all have permission to
just be nightmare pass. I mean, now that I've pointed
it out, you can't undersee it. Now you're like, are
you ruined it?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Ma'am? Oh, okay you At the end though, on the
pool table, I loved that choice.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Was that you was that Paul?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Did you walk in to believe Paul set up?
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I mean, I just thought everybody would always have you
just at your desk drawing, and it was so cool
to see something different.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Not Paul.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
What's great about Paul, We've said it a million times,
is that he already knew all the tricks, you know,
he knew all the easy blocking, all the easy and
so Paul was just always up for a curve ball.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
And that set was so fun.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
God, you guys, I loved when we would all be
on that set together.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
It was just just yeah, a really easy, fun, sexy set.
You could go hide in a corner somewhere.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I loved it.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
Well, why don't we have an office now with pool table?
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Sounds good to me?
Speaker 4 (50:45):
All right?
Speaker 5 (50:46):
All right? The episode ended with Lucas saying, why don't
we get married right away? Oh?
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Yes, that feels like a red flag to me.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, right, Lindsay's gonna call him on it, surely right.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
She's really excited.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
She's been wanting this for a while and she finally
got what she wanted. But she's so smart.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I don't know. As I recall, he's gonna leave her
at the altar. Isn't that what happens? No, baby, she
leaves him, He leaves him, She leaves him at the altar? Yes,
or that she leaves.
Speaker 4 (51:17):
Him, Oh my god. I mean, we don't want to
ruin it for anyone, but.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, you can put in spoiler alert if you want.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
If you don't know, it's been on television for like
decades at this point.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
They don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's like, humphrevok our Nigmund Bergmann don't end up together.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Sorry, guys.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
Yeah, we clearly have not seen it, though we have
some memories. If they haven't seen it, I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 5 (51:41):
It's crazy how much I remember filming this season, like,
I remember every part.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I remember the wedding, We had fun, we were being
in those pews fine.
Speaker 6 (51:50):
Us sitting in those pews was so fun, and the
misdirects that come at the wedding were so fun. I
will say you get some foreshadowing of that, like maybe
this is my honorable mention. I don't know, but skills
showing up to toast Luke on his engagement and being
(52:11):
like who is it?
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Who is it?
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Which one lindsay could be Brooke At this point.
Speaker 6 (52:18):
That comedy was so good strong.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
What else did we miss? What did we miss anything?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
That's Jamie calling Nanny Carey mom. I was just gonna
say it, Jamie, I'm sorry to step on your No.
Speaker 6 (52:32):
Yeah, we're just looking at the same part in our notes,
which feels sparkly because that was so mama. Uh, I
mean Nanny Carey. That was a knife in my gut.
I can't know you felt, because I didn't even play
his mom and I was upset about it.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
My first reaction was, that's not realistic. No kid's gonna
mistake than nanny for his mother. But I have to say,
especially when Maria was younger, you know, because her and
I don't live together, so she if she's been with
him for like three weeks at a time, which that's
sometimes the schedule is like that when she comes back,
you know, within the same day, we'll be I'll pick
(53:10):
her up in the airport, or even the day the
next day and she'll say she'll have something. She'd be like, oh, Papa,
I mean mom, you know, because she's just been so
used to having it come out of her mouth all
the time.
Speaker 4 (53:22):
Yeah, it's totally realistic.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Yeah yeah, and it's not malicious, it's you know, it's
just you're the person helping me. That is what I'm
used to saying when I'm asking for help.
Speaker 6 (53:34):
Yeah, And what I loved is that, Yeah, that's an
innocent mix up on the part of a little boy.
And then that she is the adult takes it so
far as to say, sometimes I pretend you're my kid
as this like little bonding aside. While by the way,
(53:56):
genius point that Ike wrote for Carrie to come into
Close Over bros And Shop with Millicent being like, yeah,
what was that like? And I need to and she's like, oh, yeah,
you want to go on a date like this top
Oh yeah, and it's full single white female.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
It's so it is so so so.
Speaker 3 (54:21):
Watch that movie again, oh right.
Speaker 6 (54:23):
Because in a way to see Carrie in the background
of a scene that's about to begin, you just go like,
oh my god, she's everywhere.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
And then she's in the.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
Closeover bros top and Haley calls and says, You're like, well,
do I need to come home for dinner? And she's like, no,
they're not here. And then the upstairs Oh my god. Yeah,
every single scene gave me the creeps in the best way.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, which she turns out boys, dinner, Dinner's ready.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Oh the way it's on one.
Speaker 6 (55:01):
Oh boy.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
We told you not to hire the hot nanny.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
We everybody was right, you were all right?
Speaker 6 (55:08):
Sure did all right?
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Do we have any fan questions?
Speaker 5 (55:19):
We do?
Speaker 2 (55:19):
I just saw one Carla. She's asking where did y'all
film the outdoor scenes at the high school? And she's
assuming any inside school scenes were on a set, which
is correct. Yeah, the outdoor scenes were at It was
UNCW Community College.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Came Fair Community College. Wait, wasn't it UNCW?
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Where do we go?
Speaker 3 (55:37):
UNCW? Was it basketball games there?
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Basketball games were Laney, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Burgaw.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
U n CW. We did some like big like Ernest
Widella and I did some like military stuff there.
Speaker 5 (55:53):
Oh. Look, we definitely shot stuff there outside to use
that campus, but we were downtown at Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 3 (56:01):
I remember the campus.
Speaker 5 (56:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (56:03):
Cape Fear Downtown was like our biggest because that's where
the quad was.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
M hm, that's where we were Cape Fear Community College.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Any bogie that just like happened to walk through a shot, thankfully,
would just look like an extra. Like it really was
the perfect set for us because we would have more
extras just because people were walking to class.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Did people design waivers if they were walking.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
Through because they put up those big signs. Oh yeah,
I could say, if you walk through this area, you
consent to being on film. Yeah, which feels a little shady,
but it's how they would do it.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
I loved those days.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
It's been a wheel, I think so.
Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeahs, this was a good episode. It was a really
good episode. You guys, Okay, I hope.
Speaker 6 (56:51):
I've made any sense on this podcast post show.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
It's like one o'clock in the morning for you, it is,
but it's great.
Speaker 5 (56:58):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (57:01):
This is great. Guys.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
Who's most likely to wait hours in the queue for
Taylor Swift tickets?
Speaker 4 (57:09):
What is in the queue? What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (57:11):
In line? Standing in line?
Speaker 5 (57:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (57:13):
Like Brooke Davis is not gonna wait never.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I don't even think. Maybe Millie would, but she also
seems a little too practical for that.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
I think Brook Davis would be the one who denied
waiting hours.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
But would you think or wouldn't she just send someone
else to wait for her?
Speaker 6 (57:30):
M I don't know that she would trust someone else?
Speaker 3 (57:35):
Is it skills?
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Kills?
Speaker 2 (57:38):
The skills who got notebooked? It's that skills. It's the
skills in love.
Speaker 5 (57:42):
I mean, his favorite singer in real life is Phil Collins,
and one revolves Phil.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
He loves just like a power ballad man.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, so hey, maybe he's our boy.
Speaker 5 (57:53):
Okay, yeah, he would do it. Wait did anybody in
our group go see the Taylor Swift? No?
Speaker 6 (58:00):
I was deeply actively trying, and then I had to
move to London, so no, I had to give up
some tickets. I'm still upset about it.
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Dude, Jeff and I just saw Sisters of Mercy, which
is a very different kind of performance.
Speaker 4 (58:17):
If you're into like.
Speaker 5 (58:18):
Goth metal from the late eighties early nineties, it is
the antithesis of Sweet Taylor.
Speaker 4 (58:25):
Barbara. Oh, Barbara would do it with her girls in
real life. Yeah, that's the right answer. She would. She
would stand out there all day to make sure her
and those girls got in.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yep, and she'd make friends with everybody in line, and
she would probably buy food for everyone.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
She would have snags.
Speaker 6 (58:41):
They'd be like doing TikTok dances to Taylor Swift song.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
She would teach the whole crowd.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yes, that is the perfect answer.
Speaker 3 (58:50):
All right, thanks everybody. I love it.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
What's next week?
Speaker 6 (58:54):
Season five, episode nine for tonight You're only here to know?
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Hmm oh boy, summer run buckle up? All right, bye, Hey,
thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (59:09):
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