It Feels so Good • EP502 - Drama Queens

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,
all about them.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens. We'll take you for a ride, and
our comic girl sharing for the right teams.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Drama, Queens, girl girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you
could sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,
Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens. You guys.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Oh man, the mysteries are being you know, figured out.
Untangled is the right word. That's what I said. I
fell asleep right after I watched the episode. It was
so emotionally intense. I had to take a nap, and
now I'm like up ready to chat.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I loved this episode. Though loved I've really loved it.
We got so much. They packed a lot into this episode,
and it was pretty seamless. I have to say, yes, right.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
It wasn't rushed like sometimes when they give you one
sentence and you go arah. They just had to. It
felt like everyone had time, yeah to do things and
breathe and say things, and yet so much happened.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I'm going to actually do a rundown on the
list of what happened. Here we go. But we have
our synopsis.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Let's see if the synopsis is accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. Skills signs Jamie up for the
soapbox Derby Race so fun. Haley has her first day
as a teacher. It's harder than she thought. She also
hires a nanny to get some much needed help at
home as Nathan's still struggling. Brooke tries to convince Peyton
to start her own record label while also deciding she
wants to open a close over bro store in tree Hill.
And it was directed by Paul Johansson. This is sort

(01:40):
of some of the stuff that happened, but I actually
have I have a list of how much we packed
into this episode. It's quick. I'm just going to read it. Lindsey, Quinton,
Lucas and Skills are basketball coaches, Brooke and Jamie Mouth
in the real world. Intro Nanny Carey, Peyton and the label,
Peyton and Lucas, drama, Nathan coping, Haley teaching, and then
the three girls seen by the pool with all of

(02:02):
us like reuniting for the first time. That's a lot
of storyline and all of those actual storylines.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
And I love that everyone's doing miserably, like no one
is lurishing, but we all look good, Like everyone looks
really good and we are just failing upwards. Fan fantastic.
This was the first episode my husband has ever seen
anything of by the way, oh my gosh. Normally, you
guys we watched the episodes together, and because of scheduling,

(02:31):
we couldn't, so we all watched it separately today. And
I'm sitting on my couch watching the episode, and halfway through,
Jeffrey comes through and just sees all of us in
trick and is like, I would like to know more
about what's going on here, and just sits down and
watches the last half of the episode and like was
it was like, oh, it was sweet to have someone
who's never seen anything stand up at the end of

(02:51):
the episode and be like, I get it. That makes
sense right on.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh, Dad loves us.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Dad loves us, and he acknowledged that we look like babies.
It's like, you guys, who were you like twelve?

Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Really, okay, guys, Well, Dad loves Season five, Episode two,
Racing like a Pro originally aired January eighth, two thousand
and eight, And what an episode like, Paul did such
a good job directing this episode.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
It all.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I know we're going to talk about it for the
next hour, but it really did all feel so real,
so rooted, and I love that with our time jump.
You said it, Hillary, everyone is having a hard time
and it's being named. When Lucas meets you at trick,
he tells you everything that's going wrong for everyone else. Yeah,
he reminds you that you're not alone. It reminds the

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audience that if you're having a hard time in these
major times of transition, you're not alone. And Paul as
our director, managed to give such a packed episode that
finally starts to give us answers on where everyone's been
in these invisible four years.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
And with great performances. He is so good at drawing
out good performances from everybody.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And every single scene had room to breathe, you got
to react to things before it cut to the next thing.
I just I think he hit such a home run.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
With this one.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Do you guys notice the lighting was different too, Like
it's lit so much moodier, and like, especially the intimate
scenes between just two people, it had that Peter Kowalski
layer to it, where there's a little bit of nore
to it where the shadows are as important as like

(04:45):
what's lit up. And it just stood out because Peter
originally was a camera operator on our show, and as
we moved through a different DP, he moved up and
had to match what the other guy did. But I
feel like this, because we had a blank slate, Peter
just got fancy pe.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah he did, No, I miss Pete.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
I love that he brought it down. Pete's sort of
signature thing, which was also so nice for us, was
he would light a room, as you said, with a mood,
and then he'd put these sort of glowballs, these beautiful
soft lantern lights around and everything just felt a little.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Sparkly, Yeah, little magical, dreamy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
And these people coming home to each other is supposed
to feel a little sparkly, and the light communicates that
in a really really cool way.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I remember the scene out by the pool when you
guys came out. I think that was our first I
don't I feel like I didn't even see you when
we shot the first episode back.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
No, we don't see each other.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
We didn't. We weren't scenes together. That was the first time, remember,
But I even even on on set, I feel like
that was the first time I remember seeing you after
we came back. And I don't know if we shot
these kind of intertwined these two episodes or something, but
it's the first thing I remember filming anyway from season
four is that moment, Sophia, when you and I realized

(06:17):
they had been they were using the same red coloring
in our hair.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, well, they were trying to get mine out because
I'd done a movie that summer and I'd been a redhead.
I'd played this like, oh that's why you're so red,
so red, and they couldn't. We just couldn't color corrected enough.
And yeah, the oh my god, it's not working.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's very renee Russo it's good. Good look on you.
Oh I loved it.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
God, I love her. Good God. The Thomas Crown affair
will never get hold to me. But what struck me
in the scene I do remember to your point, like
getting in that day and being like, ah, are all bad?
Oh my god? What struck me in the scene that
i'd forgotten because I you know, I have that same
sort of sense memory when we all got to be
together for the first time.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
It's crazy, I physically remember that day as well, like
it's like like it was yesterday.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yes, it's so in there. And what I forgot that
made me audibly gasp when I watched this was, oh
my god, Brooke has not seen her godson since he
was a baby. Yeah, and it was so like, wait,
what you know he doesn't know her? Oh my god.

(07:36):
The little cues the writing gave us on how much
we all had to catch up on that Brooke and
Peyton have been apart for so long, but you see
their phone calls and that, and that Brooke doesn't know
Jamie outside of pictures.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, like, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
It's such a small moment, but it communicates so much.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's Paul too, by the way, because if you it's
easy to in the script to just have shot like
here comes Jamie, run around the corner. Everybody goes, oh
my gosh, Jamie, pick him up, give him a hug,
twirl them around. But the fact that he had him
kind of step out slowly and you took a second
looking at him on the stairs then got everyone's reaction.
That's those kinds of things create those moments. And I

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love that Brooke and Jamie really developed such a special
relationship over the course of this season, in spite of
the fact that she wasn't around for the beginning. I mean,
that's her whole journey, right, is like she built up
this whole empire and then it's not enough and she
needs to get back to what is really meaningful.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I remember thinking that was crazy when we shot it,
like what do you mean you've never seen this kid,
or you haven't seen this kid in years? And now
that we're grown ups with jobs and we're just like
all over the place, you know, it's so normal just
to be like, whoa, you have a mustache? Now. You know,
kids grow up really really fast, especially in those first years.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
And especially when you are at this sort of you know,
personal relative empire of success. It's what we experienced doing
our show. You move Away, you're gone for ten months,
and then if you do a movie, you're gone for
the whole year, and you want to chase your dreams

(09:15):
and you want to do things, but years go by,
and I mean I experienced it with family, like literal years,
and then I realized I just knew a kid from photos. Yeah,
while we did a show, we did this for nine years.
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Social media has made it worse because you know, we
think we're in touch, we think we're like all up
to date.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
We feel like we know.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah, Well I love how this episode opens because brook
sneaking in Lucas's room is such an iconic thing from
the high school years, and it feels nice to revisit
an old habit that ends up being you know, a
little spicy, a little.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
God.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's so hard to hate Mikayla, But what I'm gonna
say is that watching the episode like being Peyton Sawyer
deep down inside. You guys, I still feel jealous that
all my friends like her so much and that I
like her so much like I felt Peyton's feelings of like, God,
she's so pretty and she's really cool, and like she
really seems to have it together and everybody likes her

(10:18):
so much.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yes, she's so great.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Because she is undeniable.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah yeah, she's a real deal for sure. But you
guys were cute.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
It was so fun.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I like that everyone is just kind of meeting her organically,
because that's what happens in a small town, as much
as Peyton wants to avoid it. Ah.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, well, and I remember that day with Mikaylax that
was the first day I met her, and I remember
sitting in the cash chairs in the living room of
Karen's house and getting to chat and learning about what
she was up to, and she had all these questions
for me about, you know, Wilmington and the whole thing,
and it was so much fun. And I remember thinking like, Wow,

(11:05):
it can be so nerve wracking to get new people,
you know, inserted into your work family and you seem
really fun.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
She's so solid, so well spoken, intelligent and asks really
good questions and insightful, totally totally born to be an artist.
She actually she is an incredible fine artist as well.
For anyone who doesn't know much about Mikayla McManus, she'd
go find out. She's really really talented girl.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Let's make sure we have her on in the next
couple episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mikayla and we went to
college together.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Wait we know each other?

Speaker 4 (11:44):
No, yes, we went to college together. Super in passing,
like because I was also working at MTV, so it
was a little checked out of everything. But we're Fordham
Lincoln Center girls.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
It's like it's weird when it feels like the whole
world is a small town. You know, we do a
TV show about a small town, but honestly, to come
from New York and then be down in Wilmington and
have it be like you remember this chick from the
dorm and it's like, oh, she's really pretty a canissler.

(12:16):
She was great wow, and she matches Lucas's kind of
like serious energy in a way that Peyton never did.
Peyton's goofy man, She's like awkward.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, I felt that pang when I was when Peyton
was watching Lucas and Lindsay at the Grace Car thing
when they arrived and he was holding her hand and
they were just walking through the crowd, I was like, oh,
I've totally been in Peyton's shoes where you look at
the couple and you're like, You're like, I don't want
her to be right for him, but I think she
is es sucks.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
I love shooting that flashback stuff because I got to
wear those dumb little bangs. I love those No listen.
I got a call like from my mother when the
episode aired and she was like, don't chew ever cut bangs.
Don't you do it? It looked terrible and so I'm
still traumatized. By the Peyton book signing bangs, which is

(13:09):
I've never had the confidence to go do it.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I hope he saved them. At least you could clip
him in now.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And then Sophia, don't you have fake bangs?

Speaker 5 (13:16):
I was gonna say, as a person who made that
mistake and cut real banks not once but twice, I
then learned to not make the same mistake a third time.
And it might have been Jojo was like, I'm just
gonna get you a clip in said please stop this.
I was like, okay. She was like, when you really
want them, you just wear them for a night, and

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she's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
You know what I will say to the contrast, like,
something I love so much is that the episode opens,
that's sweetness and that being so enamored for Lindsay with
someone she knows but not personally, and for Brooke with
someone she doesn't know at all but who seems great
and they're sort of like, wow, Wow, you're fun, No,

(14:02):
you're fun. It's this fun energy. And to go from
this sort of excitement to the nerves which are exciting
of Haley's first day of like, oh what was it
going to be like? And and it almost feels like
the fun stuff on the front end was a misdirect, Yes,

(14:24):
and we expected the fun to keep going, especially for
Haley James Scott, especially right.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I was just like they teed us up for success
and then it like hurt really bad.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Oh my god, it was such a betrayal.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
That was awful.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
I was upset. Yeah, how was that for you to watch?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sad? It was funny? I forgot, I really, I mean
that is like one oh one. You cannot let the
class take over and bully like bully you and get
you pushed down to the point where you're you cry,
you leave. I mean, I think just as a teacher, you.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Know you.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Lose so much power in the classroom if you ever
let that happen to you. So the fact that it
happened on day one, sojers are so scary.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
They are.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
But I don't know that I would have acted very
much different. I mean, I don't know what I would
have done at twenty What was Haley like twenty three
teaching a high school class? Come on, maybe younger?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
That's so weird. Yeah, I had a really young teacher
who had to be really mean, like the first year,
and then lighten up as we you know, got older,
just to like prove point, because you know they're our age,
you know, And I I was I think we brought
this up a few episodes ago. I was recently with

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my best friend and we were listening to my son
and his friends talk about one teacher in particular, and
my friend turned to me and he's, like, kids bully
adults just as much as they bully each other. And
I can't imagine like going home at the end of
the day after being a teacher and being like, those
little shits really got to me, Like is my outfit flame?
Is my hair? Is my reading voice laying? You know,

(16:14):
like whatever it is that the kids zero in on,
they can make you feel just as awful as your peers.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, well yeah, I liked that Haley had this duel.
I had this dual approach that she went in on
the first day trying to be very amiable and giving
them all the benefit of the doubt and like I'm
going to be really sweet and like the sort of
jumping around the blackboard and like it was all And
I don't even know that this was intentionally a choice

(16:43):
that I made so much as just I guess what
was feeling in the moment, like, oh, let's make this
fun for everyone, Like almost the instinct would be like
you'd behave that way with maybe an elementary school class.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
I felt that.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it felt very condescending, but not intentionally.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
You have a little child, and so in your brain
you're like, I talk to children like.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Children exactly exactly. So then to get the root awakening,
and I love the way she comes back later and
just okay, tough mom. Now it's tough love time.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I thought that was really fun.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Are they setting you and Quintin up for something inappropriate?
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, but god, we had good chemistry and we Yeah,
Sobby is so great.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
He's great.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
But but I love that because we again it's it's
just it's tracking so well. We've seen Haley as a
mom now to a four year old, and you do
the smile and you even enjoy I mean you use
like your big, pretty cursive like you were having a
whole moment. Yeah, and and the the shock of like, oh,

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these feudal little fuckers are trying to create a hierarchy.
I gotta completely change my game. Yeah, Like, as an audience, member.
We see you go from Jamie's mom to like that
don't fuck with me teacher, and it's so fun.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well that those kids have no idea that you tamed
Nathan Scott who was the bad of the bad, Like
Nathan Scott was awful, stealing school buses like your nightmare,
and you tamed him at you know, sixteen.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, she's done, especially after that deal with him in
the kitchen. It was like she went back to school
the next day like I'm done. I'm done trying to
make everybody happy and trying to please everybody and trying
to hold everything together and pretend like everything's fine.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Here's what we're gonna do. It's this way or you're out.
I just don't have time, I don't have the energy. Yeah,
but everybody needs a turn like that in life. I've
hit those moments. I know you guys have, and I
hit them. You know, it's not just once. It happens
in life as you Oh yeah, go on and on.
So yeah, if that felt necessary and rewarding for her,

(19:06):
oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
And it feels nice when you do it and you
go I'm different. Now you're learning in this moment, you're
picking up what I'm putting down, but I've put it
down already and I dare you, and everyone.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is like, oh, they feel the dynamic shift, and that
is it's so fun.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And I like that you didn't have to make the
connection that Quentin is a version of Nathan. I like
that they that they placed the a version of the
man that Haley tamed, they place a new one in
front of her. It causes a struggle and as she's
figuring out how to deal with it in this way,

(19:51):
in this version, it's actually Lucas and Skills that are like,
who does he remind you of? And they don't even
have to say it.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, and Lucas, Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Well there's yeah, you'll do it once. Y'all gotta do its.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Skills and Lucas as coaches stepping in for Whitey genius
move and so fun, so fun to see, and they're
good at it too.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I want to know what happened at Tree Hill High
School in the four years that we've been gone, that
the kids have gone dark, they've gone feral. It's like
we still have the same principle, you know, like nothing
necessarily traumatic happened on a national scale but now you've
got a rebellious basketball team and you've got these nasty
kids in the classroom causing trouble.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
What happened is it felt much more modern. It felt
much less like the One Tree Hill fairy tale that
we had created that were still connected to the late nineties,
even though we've started filming in the early odds that
this crowd felt much more forward, forward moving in the
progression of like social society, I guess, and just the
way that they were all interacting with each other in

(21:09):
the banter and it just was like, whoa, this is
a live This is so different than fairy taling.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, it felt messier and more authentic. Yeah, do you
guys feel like it was partially one of those things
that like all the criticisms we got of everything being
too fantastical, to fairy tale, too squeaky clean, blah blah blah,
that they were like, all right, watch this, Like now
that we've had a time jump, we can we can

(21:36):
kind of address the message boards and the articles.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Well, I think when we were the mad kids in
the class, like there was an episode where like Nathan
and Lucas got in a fight in the classroom, or
like there was a time where Lucas got in trouble
because he and Peyton were passing notes and kissing and
stuff like you were sleeping with a teacher, Brooke. I mean,
we got right in trouble. We got in trouble. But
when you're the adult and the kids look at you

(22:01):
like you loser, it just feels different. Like they're not
doing anything that we didn't do. It's just different main
character energy. These kids are assuming the main character energy
and treating us like we don't matter.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
But what's also so interesting about that? And like you
just ding a light bulb in my head? This is
human right. When you know someone, you can see the
motivations for their actions. You can forgive their transgressions. You
can say you have a really screwed up home life
and that's why you look for validation. And older men,
young lady, you have a fill in the blank. Fill

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in the blank. When you don't know anything about someone's
life or background and they behave in a way that
feels disrespectful or unruly, you go, who are these little
shit heads think they are? You don't forgive or humanize
their messiness. You just think, wow, that was really bold.
And out of line, and that is kind of fascinating.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I can't wait to find out what Quentin's damage is
because he is so handsome and so TALENTEDO. It makes
it really easy to hate him because he's got so
much going for him and he's still being like, you know, confrontational.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
But you're rooting for him because you know there's so
much room to change, there's so much room for growth,
and he's just posturing. He's just a high school kid
who's posturing.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Oh that laugh he does when he's leaving the gym. Yeah,
when he's like leaving your classroom and he's just laughing.
It's just it's like you can feel his hurt. Yeah,
Like you can feel that he's a kid totally masking.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
That's one of the things too, that I think I
loved about the way this was put together and the
way Paul directed my performance in that that he was
it's not a power struggle. You're not trying to dominate
the room. You're just you're fed up in every area
of your life, and you're just coming in and being honest.
And there's no sense in not just being honest. So

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just tell these kids exactly how you feel. And you
don't have to be mean to be honest. You can
just be honest. And so I remember doing that and
it changed everything for me because instead of me trying
to be tough and dominate, I just was able to,
like I felt a lot more compassion, and that I
think made me connect more with Quenton and hopefully like

(24:25):
started to draw them together a little bit more, Hele
and Quentin, because when you stop trying to dominate and
you're just real, just totally authentic, like you said, Sophia,
and in the moment and there, it's so much easier
to I guess read other people have compassion or just
see things from their perspective.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
When he has no idea what you're dealing with at home.
And this is something that I really struggled with in
the episode because when we shot this, like when we
were kids, four months of Nathan being dark seemed like,
oh my god, it's crazy. And as a grown up
lady watching this, I'm like, he's only been down for

(25:06):
four months, Like why is Haley flipping the fuck out?
Like it made Haley seem crazy that she was so
angry with him four months out, when meanwhile, the audience
is getting to see him in private, try to stand up,
and so it's just like, oh god, this is going
so bad.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Like just missing each other.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, they need a therapist so bad.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, but man, four months can feel like a really
long time when you're juggling everything and doing everything.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
And four months with a four year.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Old, that's what I mean. Yeah, it's just so Now.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
When you think about four months being thirty percent of
a year, and this kid's probably had memory for two years.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
They remember everything.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Two years, Like, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
It's three years, let's call it. But it's amazing because
you get everyone's perspective. Yeah, that's when it works, is
when everybody is understandable and everybody is frustrating. Yeah, and
you just go, ah, I just want better for these
people because I love them, Nathan.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I love that you just brought him up because he
this this is a real mental health struggle for him,
and I love that they really did a deep dive
on it in this episode and in this season. That's
got to be so incredibly tough to have made a
huge success out of your life that young and be

(26:44):
have so much ahead of you and then get get
disabled in some way.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, I guess that's it felt like character assassination to me. Joy,
it felt like they were making you this like shrill bitch,
because we've already seen Nathan and try to kill himself
multiple times. We know that he has a history of
self loathing and suicidal behavior and never had to deal
with anything quite this traumatic. You know, he crashed the

(27:16):
car into the wall and was playing basketball like three
weeks later this he's in a wheelchair, and it's so
so serious, and so to have Haley, who has historically
been really supportive and like, you know what, I'm gonna
take a different approach. I'm going to try something different.
To just have her throwing, you know, throwing the beer
bottles and smashing plates and stuff. I was like, why

(27:39):
are they making her.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So Yeah, shrill is a good word.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, just to feel aligned with the person that we've
always known.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
I liked it, you did. I liked oh. I liked
every bit of it. And here's what I'm gonna say,
I I hear you on all of Nathan's mental health stuff,
and You're not wrong. We've spent four years worth of
this TV show talking about it, and I do think
there is a tendency to align your idea of someone

(28:12):
with the way they're described. And Nathan Scott is our
hero and our sweetheart. He is a bad boy done
good because of this woman he like, he is such
a champion, and yes, he's had these horrible things, and
we as adults in the last year have gone, oh
my god, this is a boy with like serious mental
health fatures. But they've never been willing to really address

(28:37):
it on camera until this and throughout all of it.
Haley's been with him throughout all of it. She's reminded him, yes,
if this were the real world, he would have gone
to therapy. And if this were the real world, four
months into a catastrophic accident, as adults, I think we
would be different. But it's TV drama and I love

(29:01):
that from the way she behaves, you can see that
whenever she's mad, she takes a deep breath and keeps going.
And whenever he fucks up with their son, she takes
a deep breath and just says, sweetie, daddy doesn't feel good.
I'm so sorry, and we jump in. All your friends
are coming, We're coming. It's gonna be amazing. It's been
a lot of jumping in to cover for him and

(29:22):
I like that when no one is just telling the truth,
eventually everybody loses it.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
I like it for her because she's always been good,
and I like it because she's always cleaned up everybody's messes.
And when you yelled and then walked in the kitchen
and the argument was over and then you threw all
the bottles, I was like, God, I'm not waiting for
this from her. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
I was thinking as I was like, I was like,
who bought the bear? There was no uberat who bought
the goddamn bear?

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Because yes, I didn't even think about that part.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Maybe even Haley was doing it. That beer bottle thing
was totally improvised. Paul said, what do you I just
was so uncomfortable. I was like, he said, what do
you want to do? I was like, I mean, I
want to throw these beer bottles across the room, but
obviously I can't. He's like, why not because they're props.
He goes, WHOA, we'll get in one take, do it.
And we didn't tell James, so his reaction on the
couch was real. He had no idea what was going

(30:21):
on behind him.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
But you know what you said just made me think
the one thing that flipped the switch. I think Hillary,
because I totally I do hear what you're saying. Nathan
historically has even through all of his struggles. I correct
me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's ever
been someone who was a complainer or like was felt

(30:47):
really sorry for himself. He never really did the pity
party thing.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I guess to me, it was like four months. Haley
was on tour for four months. You know, like a
four month periodod of time doesn't feel so fatalistic, I guess.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
But when you're with living, living with somebody who just
is refusing to like they just keep feeling sorry for
themselves over and for so long, and there's like you
have a grace period. We're like, oh my gosh, you've
just been in a horrible accent. Of course, anybody would
feel sorry for themselves. Yes, yes, And then it's like, okay,
we are we kind of coming out of that. And
then the next phase is like okay, but like life

(31:26):
has to go on. I actually have to do you care?
Can you at least empathize? Could you like be emotional
and like talk with me about it at least we can.
So it feels like maybe they just sped that progression
up because that's the flip that got switched.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
I also think the four months, Yeah, not the best
writing we've ever had, Yeah, in an episode that is
filled with very good writing. But what I think is
important to remember, and I wish they would have repeated
it with you, Joy and not just with you and
your scene as Peyton taking Nathan to the hospital Hill.

(31:58):
I wish they would have repeated the thing from episode one,
which is, but your doctors said you can walk. Remember
that fight you guys have.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what we're missing because the whole reason
she's so upset it's not my husband's never gonna walk again,
and I understand that maybe forever he'll be sad.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
It's they're telling you you can and you're refusing because
you can't. You think you can't play basketball. Yeah, So
because you can't play basketball, you don't want to play
with our son.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
You don't want to crawl around on the floor with
your kid.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
That gives it everything, And that's a miss. That's a
miss in the episode because if we had been reminded
that he was choosing this in some.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Way, y'all, I'm just thinking about postpartum depression. I'm like,
four months. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
No, they could have made it a year or two.
They could have made it like it had been in
a while for sure. Yeah, I think you're right. Happy meeting.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
I loved seeing him secretly try, like because a number
of times he's like by himself trying to stand up,
and then that last time where you think he's finally
just gonna commit suicide and he jumps up out of
the water like free Willie. Yes, Jeff was like, what
kind of show is this?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
It's the best baby. It reminded me of the season
four shot when you know the episode where we all
took our class pictures with the partners. Oh yeah, and
I did the not enough, not enough, not enough and
Nathan was in front of the wings holding the basketballs.

(33:42):
It gave me that same like it mirrored that in
some way totally, And it's like, Nathan Scott is back.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
He's always going to be a hero. That's who he is.
Deep down. He's got that really cool. I'm gonna jump
in the car and go take Maria to tennis, but
I'm gonna try and jump back into the zoom from
my car, so at least I can pop in my
every once in a while. But I'll be back in
a minute.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
By the way, I love I love this. She's doing tennis.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
I have to say something speaking of scenes by that pool,
because we talked about this last week or maybe it
was the week before, but I went, oh, that you
and I got assigned the well well right as shared dialogue.
And then what was the next thing? I said, Oh, Nathan,

(34:26):
you look so harrow in chic.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
He say it, Oh, there are only so many lines
that our boss had in his repertoire. And like, if
he knew you were mad at him or didn't want
to engage, he would make you say these things to
kind of like remind you of him. And yeah, I
felt his dirty, little, grubby, no fingernail hands all over

(34:52):
this one.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
It was always a this. It was always a like,
I'm going to put you in your place. I'm gonna
remind you. If it's on the page, you have to
say it. And it was like and I just was like, right, right, right,
Brooke and Peyton are having this beautiful moment where they've
come home to each other and now we're gonna go
out into our world and start seeing all of our
friends again. Yeah, and you're gonna make us do it

(35:16):
with the creepiest things that you say to us. Ill.
Gross gross, Ill.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Dude, where are Peyton and Brooks staying right now? I
can't figure it out.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, I love that you spent the night at
Mouth's house. That was my favorite, because that's what we
do in real life. I like it. I went out
with my girlfriends this past week and woke up and
was like, who put me to bed?

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
It's so fun as an adult to be like, I'm
going to sleep here. And now. The cool thing is
is at our age, everyone's like hold on and they
open a drawer and there's just a bunch of new
toothbrushes and you're like, ma'am, really, we're really doing it right.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
We're prepared for debauchery now.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
I loved that wake up so much and like, oh,
oh my god, I have to go and I've got
to get Jamie and running around collecting the things, talking
to him and then having this moment of oh, you're here.
It was such a fun scene. That's one that's one
that I remember, Like in my bones.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
You're so good with him, like it was your babysitting
skills were on full display here, because I mean, you
just take to it so naturally, and he's so drawn
to you. And you guys were doing in real life
what you're doing on the show. You know, like, we
didn't know this kid, and you're making a relationship with

(36:36):
him the same way Brooke is making a relationship with Jake.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Oh yeah, he became my little best friend. It was
so fun. We had so much fun at work together.
And I remember everything from you know, his little suit
and helping him zip it up and talking about how
I would have made it for him. And he loved
the story, and you know, swinging him in and out
of his Derby car and like we God, we just

(36:59):
had so much fun. It's such a sweet moment in time.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Jeff saw the Peyton Sawyer unemployed patch and one so bad.
He's like, where do they Where do they sell those?
And I was like, I don't know they do. He's like, no,
I want that, I need that.

Speaker 8 (37:17):
We should make one.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Here's what I remember from this episode. I didn't realize
it happened this early in the season, but this this
Derby car episode is the one where my childhood friend
Scott Krapatrick died in Iraq, And you can see it
on my face when Peyton and Brooke have to walk

(37:47):
from the river where you've thrown your phone and I
got to just hide in you and we're you know,
we walk back up, we see Lucas and Lindsay. We
have to walk past them and you're having band with
Jamie from like the Crowd, and you can see like
my face is all red, like I'm clearly super upset.

(38:08):
But that was such a surreal day because everyone was there.
We were down by the river. We had a ton
of work to do that day, and I'll just never
ever forget it. It was like I got the message
in my trailer. I went straight to JoJo's door in
the hair and makeup trailer and you were there, and
it was just like, I don't know, I got to

(38:30):
hide in you and you didn't leave me alone on set,
like we hit out at our chairs. Antwine's son was
there during the whole box car race, and it just
felt really safe after we'd already dealt with all this
chaos at work, Like I see it in the episode,
I see Peyton and Brooke, but I see you and

(38:53):
me behind it, being like we're dealing with some really,
really horrible dark shit and we're just gonna team up.
I don't let anyone else get in the way. And
it's weird to watch it all these years later because
I can feel it. I remember what, I literally remember
every single step of that day. But yeah, to see

(39:14):
it just like kind of mixed into an episode, sprinkled
in thanks for taking care of me. We've told that
story at conventions and stuff before, but I will never
I will never forget that that was. That was like
my first really big grown up loss, and then to
have to go film it's like cool story, kids, Sorry,

(39:34):
your friend's dead. Anyway, we got to break for lunch
in thirty minutes, we got to get this shot. Let's roll,
And yeah, I guess I don't. I don't know how
other businesses are because we've only ever worked in this one.
But it can feel really, you can feel really cut
off from the real world and your real life because
you have to do this imaginary thing.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
I also think there's a little bit of a disturb
that happens because, like all that's ever on TV are
these perfectly edited episodes, right, and all that's ever on
TV for our industry, that's like quote unquote behind the
scenes are award shows which are insane and not real.
And so everything that people who don't work in our

(40:21):
industry get to see is gorgeous, musical, lyrical and glamorous, furiated. Yeah,
And like we work in the circus in the mud Man,
it's so tricky and it's beautiful and it's strange and
it's profane and it's hard. It's really hard. And if

(40:42):
you ever express honesty about why it's hard, people go
because like they've only ever seen the golden.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Globes, right, And and I I don't know, I just
want to I really want to be a little clear
and like take pause.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
To be honest about how hard it is to have
your world blow up and have someone look at you
and mean it when they say, I'm really sorry, but we.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Don't have time for this, right, right.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
And then you are expected to split into and wait
for your real life so you can go do the
on camera life. And it's what we do, and it's hard.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
It makes you a psycho. Like when you have to
compartmentalize your life like that, it makes you a total nutcase,
because then you can't stop doing that, like everything becomes
over here and then over there.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Well, you become a professional at disassociating.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Oh is that what I'm doing on my phone? Just
like scrolling doom scrolling disassociating.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Yeah, And so when people say, well, for example from
last week, why didn't you talk about this sooner? Because
I'm a fucking professional at putting my feelings in a
box over there so I can come to work and
not bother other people.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
I'll deal with it in twenty years.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Yeah, when the box explodes in my face, then I'll
have to deal with it. But what I will say,
morbid humor aside, is.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
That was big.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
And I felt really lucky about the ways that you
shared Scott with me and with us, and that you
have continued to do that, and that you've helped make

(42:43):
his memory advocacy that people get to participate in, and
that affected the trajectory of our show. Like You've done
a lot of really big things with how much you
loved that friend. And I feel really lucky key to
have been close to it and to you for all

(43:04):
of that. And I also want to remind you that
just like six months before you did it for me,
because in season four, when my grandpa died and we
were filming, you picked me up off the ground in
the quad because somebody said to me, I'm so sorry,

(43:28):
but we don't have time for this, and there aren't
many people who know how that feels. And I I feel,
really maybe this is like a weird thing to say.
I feel really lucky that you did that for me
once and I got to do it back. This is

(43:50):
all iss all.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
It feels so met like, it feels really nice.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
You know, it's really weird, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
I You know, you and I were separated a lot
in the first few years, and then you know, our
characters are fighting, and then as we are scripted together,
we're having to deal with like grown up stuff and
really like confusing subject matter. And when we were coming
home in this season, you and I were also starting

(44:18):
to like go home in real life and have to
answer for who we'd become, you know, having to answer
to the people, you know, having to go to Scott's funeral,
you having to go home and see your friends or
see your family at your grandfather's service, you know, and
answer for what we had been living publicly. It isn't

(44:39):
necessarily what my friends or family thought was appropriate for me.
You know, I wasn't even allowed to watch teen dramas
growing up, and here I am neck deep in that shit.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
That's so interesting that idea of it being appropriate. What
was hard for me was that people were like, isn't
it fabulous? And I was like, it's really f fucked.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Up and hard.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
It's hard.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
And then I learned, Oh, nobody wants to hear a
person who they look at as the on screen success
story say they're struggling. Oh I better keep this to myself.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Well, what I'll say is that I'm really glad Paul
was directing, because to hear that message Joy, Joy's back.
We've got joy back. She's in the car, right.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I can try not to talk too much's annoying through
the car microphone, but I'm here.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
No, it's okay. It just there's a little bit of lag.
But you guys, we do have joy back. Joy. We
were talking about how back?

Speaker 6 (45:34):
How wait?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
What? Oh wait?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's echo at a lagger and oh I'm gonna fix it.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
I'm gonna fix it. Can you hear me out?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yeah, we can hear you bet but then we share ourselves.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I'm gonna mute it, go ahead and talk.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
That's okay.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
We try sometimes with the car.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
The car always gets us joy.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
You just wave your hand when you want to talk.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Okay, I'm here, I'm here.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Now we were talking about, you know, my good friend
Scott died in Iraq while we were filming this episode.
And while it sucks that when you work in film
there's no going home for the day, it's just like,
all right, suck it up. We still have eight hours.
You know, there's five hundred people here to make this
day happen. I was really glad that Paul was directing

(46:26):
because I had to shoot that scene with Lucas in
Trick like the day after Scott died. And so Scott
was the person that I did theater with growing up.
He was absolutely my partner and all of that. And
while he'd been in Iraq, we traded all of these
messages about starting a production company when he got out,

(46:47):
because he was planning to get out and we were
going to do an adaptation of Dostoyevski's The Idiot, which
is the play we did together in high school, and
update it and like so many big plans like Peyton
and Brooke with this record label. You know, we're going
to start a business. And I could not get through
that scene where Peyton says your art matters. It's what

(47:09):
got me here, because it was like I was talking
to my friend and it was killing me, and I'm
just like and they're like, you're not supposed to cry
in this scene, Hillary, and I'm like, right, right, right,
right right. But for all the times that you guys
wanted me to cry and I was really having trouble,
it's the opposite this time. And all I want to
do is sob and Paul was so good about being like,

(47:33):
I want you to say these lines like it is
the happiest thing that you can say to Lucas, and
he really coached me to say it with a smile.
And I think you can still feel Peyton wanting to
cry and putting on this brave face. But I was
absolutely talking to my friend in that scene, and I

(47:55):
don't know anyone who could have gotten me through it
other than Paul. He was so he was such a
chepherd in that moment. Of course.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
So that was my favorite scene in the episode actually,
because you were so dropped into your body, your voice
sounded different, and I understand the context.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Now.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
There was just.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Something so so grounded and real about that, And I
hate that.

Speaker 6 (48:25):
Yeah, I hate that.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's like those things, this weird thing about our art
where pain sometimes equal you don't want it, and also
it can make such a huge difference in the lives
of the people who are experiencing that, And it's just
one of.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
The weird things that we do as artists.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Live in whatever state we're in and then go to
work just somehow try and put it all together.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
And whatever happened that day really was magical. And I felt.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Really moved by that scene. Yeah, I mean, I guess
I don't have like a conclusion, but it was a
beautiful performance.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
M Thanks. It made me feel bad like Chad was
the third wheel in the room, like, hey, we're sorting
through some real heavy stuff. Chad, I just need you
to stand there and look handsome if you could, that
would be great. But he he also is great because
I think he knew that I was moving through some
dark territory and knew just to just to stand there

(49:32):
and be steady and like good and that was that
was the right move, you know, because I think then
we had to do all the trick stuff that night too.
When we would go into trick, we like lived in Trick. Yeah,
it was fun to see all the girls out party
and Haley not being a mom for the night.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
I loved it. I loved all of us being out
and and weirdly that they wrote that bit about the
girl who was wearing my clothes who wound up being
the girl you'd been talking about at the label and
we had this overlap we didn't know about, and then
we got to bring Haley into it, and we all
were like what it was. It was such a like
a genuine silly thing that happens with friends when you're

(50:16):
like did you read about that? You know, and everybody's
seen it because like for whatever reason, it's the top
of Twitter that day. Like it felt real and and light.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
And funny, gossipy, just like dish. You know, who do
we think that actress was? We need to we need
to like figure out who the actress was.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Probably somebody who didn't deserve it.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
I mean, that's it. That's it. We labeled all the
poor girls in the early aughts. Is like she's a
drunk because she like goes out at night. Yeah, it
was probably soone perfectly lovely.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Yeah, I'm sure she was fine.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
She's fine, top ten head on Tierra.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Guys, what I'm sorry, Well, I was saying you were
saying she's so perfectly lovely, which also made me think
of Tory Tobato and I don't know if you guys
have talked about Nanny Carey yet, but.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
No, we want you to talk about Nanny Carey.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Wait. Did you guys remember that she came in this early?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
No?

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Oh, I couldn't believe it. Episode two.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
It's like I don't know where to look. We've got
hot Mikayla and hot Tory. I don't know where to look,
just surrounding us with beauty.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
They were great.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
I love working with Toy.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
She was genuinely so sweet, Like who you see in
Trick that night, that's Toy. And for any of you,
if we haven't gone back and listened to our episode
with Tory from the live shows that we did, you
should go back and listen to those because she's so
great and has some funny stories. But she was just
lovely and couldn't have been more. Again, we always say it,
but it's hard to come into a show that's so

(51:53):
well established and then try and make a mark, especially
with a character that makes that big of a stamp
on the show. And she was so lovely and sweet
and kind and fun and just it was an absolute
dream scenario. It couldn't have asked for anybody better. It's
such a non competitive, like open person.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
It's great.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
She knows who she is. Did you know she was
gonna end up being a bad guy? Like, did you
know where it was going?

Speaker 6 (52:22):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
No, not at all.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
I don't think any of us did.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
I mean, when you hire a nanny that is that beautiful,
you know it's gonna go sideways, right, It's gonna go bad.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
What I thought was interesting though, is that again they
gave us a misdirect with it. Where Haley doesn't have
a problem with it, the girls are going hello mouth
because he's being judged on his looks by this rude
woman at his office, is like, don't do that. Also,
I'd love to see that girl in a bathing suit.
And we're like, eh, so you're there, they're playing with us,

(53:00):
will they or won't they? Will they or won't we?
Innocent or bad? And because Tory is so lovely and
her energy comes through her like it did in that
scene at the bar. You think like, well, maybe it
won't because that would be so stereotypical, right, like the
dad having the affair with the hot nanny. We've seen

(53:20):
it a million times. So in a weird way, they
make you debate what you already know so that you
don't see crazy nanny Carey coming.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Oh yeah. It's so weird knowing what's going to happen
and seeing how just sweet and gentle she comes in.
She's so likable. Man. It was really kind of hard
to view Robbie Jones, who played Quentin as a high schooler,
because he wasn't the same way we weren't. You know,
he was our age and he's playing like in a

(53:52):
lower bracket, you know, and we're like, but he's not
a kid, he's our age, and so that kind of
stuff does get kind of It's confusing because I'm like, oh, no,
he's a potential love interest. The boys got Mikayla and
Tori to show up and had new friends to play with,
and we had someone playing a high schooler and we're like,
that's not there. Come on, man, it's a really small

(54:12):
fishing hole here in Wilmington, and I just want to
kiss somebody that's new. No, I can't.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
It's like you said it in season one, Hillary, like
it was either college students or retired golf guys. Like
we didn't have anybody to kiss but each other, So like,
what do you want?

Speaker 4 (54:29):
What do you want from us?

Speaker 5 (54:31):
And it is weird when the optics, you know, when
we're all twenty five and we're now playing twenty five
year olds, and then they bring in a twenty five
year old to play a seventeen year old. You're like,
what I would have I don't know. I would have
loved to have seen if Nanny Carey didn't go crazy.

(54:53):
I think I think her in mouth could have been
very sweet, like this lovely woman and the news cast her.
I don't know. But then like obviously I think that's
really just because Mellicent's not in Tree Hill yet. But
I don't know. She could have had a she could
have had a lovely thing. Maybe she would have married
a teacher. Maybe we would have just been these lovely people.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Her and skills could have been real spicy.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Oh yeah, like what.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
If she fell for junk? You know, yes, yeah, she
could have been like I just I like how down
to earth he is. I like, what a child at
heart junk is playing with work on. My favorite line

(55:44):
of the episode was little Jamie saying I'm taking a stand,
to be echoed later by Brooke. Like that as someone
who felt like she was taking a stand and some stuff,
and you know the six months that surrounded this episode,
I'm seeing a child be like not doing it ahead,
Yeah it was great. Well, Jeff was on a chair

(56:05):
behind me. I was on the couch and he's like
seated behind me. And when or when Skills says, yeah,
my man's taking a stand, he laughed out loud hard
and I was like, oh, oh, we're invested. Okay, fantastic.
He loves Skills. I love it. But that sense of
not forcing your kid to do stuff they don't want

(56:27):
to do, I'm that mom all day. I remember taking
Gus to a rock wall. All the other kids were
climbing the rocks and Gus got two of those little
handholds up and was like, we're good, and you have
to explain to them like, hey man, I'm so proud
of you for not caving to peer pressure. Do it
in your own time. You'll figure it out.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
That is such a.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Hard thing to do as a parent, because you also know, look,
my kid would never have learned to ride a bike
if I didn't make her. She sat there and was
like kicking the bike. She was so mad, she was
so never seen her throw fit in my life except
oh that bike. And it was like, I'm really not
I really don't want to enter into a power struggle

(57:08):
with her, but her future will be sincerely less exciting.
If she doesn't know how to ride a bike. She
can't go on vacation with friends. She can't just like
run up the corner to see your friend, you know,
want to, Like, you've got to know how to ride
a bike.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
I don't know. I got gravel at my house. You
can't really ride a bike here. I don't know if
my son knows how to ride a bike. I didn't
learn to ride a bike till I was eighteen years old.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Did you really has been so much so hard to
learn back then.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
But anyway, I mean, I think there's there's things like
that for everything. I mean, it could it could be
like a safety issue or something that you actually have
to do, or you know, something that you're just like no,
this is important, but we're getting right, Like, if you
fall off the horse, the ideas you have to get
back up. If you don't get back up, you will
be paralyzed with fear for the rest of your life
and you will never get back up on a horse.

(57:58):
So as soon as you fall down, you have to
get right back up on that horse. So I was
watching that and thinking how great this is that Haley
is giving Jamie that autonomy to make that decision for himself.
But it did also make me think of all the time.
So I was like, when it's hard to tell, like
when is the moment when you're like, I'm so sorry,

(58:19):
but you actually do have to do this.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Because I had Gus before any of my friends had kids,
I like I was on an island, like I didn't
know who to ask about stuff like that. And I
remember making the decision that I wasn't going to potty
train him, and I was like, no, all these women
are like being super competitive about like their kid potty
training or like learning how to do stuff super fast.

(58:43):
I'm just gonna let him figure it out. And sure enough,
he just woke up one day and was like, I'm
potty trained now. And so that's totally been my method
for everything. Like they just wake up one day and
they're like, it's time. Today's the day, whether it's bike
shit or or you know, go carts or whatever he
wants to do. He's the personality like Jamie where it's like,

(59:06):
I don't want to do it today, and then you
wait and a couple months later they're like, right now,
this is the time. And then they feel so empowered
because they're like, I knew this was the right time.
You didn't know, mom, because you're a dumbass, but I knew.
I knew. Wow, George, she just refuses to do it.
She's just like, no, you'll do it for me. You'll

(59:28):
do it for me. We'll push the cart for me.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Isn't But isn't that also interesting to realize that you
got to know a little bit about where people live? Yea,
because there's no kid who's gonna bike around where's gus
kinna go? It's not only taking a bike anywhere hundreds
of acres of your farm, Like it's gonna take him
an hour to bike to somebody's house and on gravel.

(59:52):
Who's biking? But Joy, we grew up in neighborhoods where
you would literally bike two blocks away to see your friends,
and yeah, if you couldn't, you wouldn't be able to
have a social life. And it's funny to get outside
your own arena of experience and go what is that

(01:00:14):
for you? And somebody who I think tells the story
so well, Glenn and Doyle, who I still can't believe,
I call a friend, what a weird things, one of
my favorite authors, and she we just happened to be
friends and I'll never get over it. And she's like,
can you calm down about it? And I'm like, no,
Today's not the day to use Hilary's point. Not today,

(01:00:35):
maybe tomorrow. But she wrote, uh, there's a chapter in
her book and untamed about taking her daughters and maybe
some of their friends. I don't really remember what the
group was to get their ears pierced. And one of
the girls was really game, and one of them was like,
nopem and somebody said just be brave and she said no, no,

(01:00:58):
they're both being brave because one wants to do this
and one does not, and they're both brave enough to
listen to how they feel and know that they are
making the right choices for themselves, and I was like, who,
you should teach classes to everyone else because we could

(01:01:18):
all use them. Like it was such an interesting way
to put it in perspective and to really bring my
tangential story back. What a funny, wild, cool thing that
a four year old saying this is where my boundary
is helped Brook Davis, an adult who runs a huge

(01:01:39):
global company, say you know what, I'm setting a boundary today.
I loved it. I loved it so good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Ha. The reveal of Brooke and Jamie pulling off the
brown paper from the door and seeing that it's Karen's cafe,
that was like goosebumpy. That was so sweet, full, sob
for me. God, how could Karen just leave the cafe?
It just makes me think, like what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Yeah, where is she? We don't even know adults.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Oh yeah, I think she's in Australia or something. Weird.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Yeah, isn't she.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
They didn't want to pay anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Yeah, they got stingy. Yeah, our bosses wanted to buy
very expensive sports cars, so actors were not getting paid,
which feels crazy when you have Moira Kelly. But here
we are. We'll just talk about her until she comes back.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
What else did we miss? There's so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I love a love triangle, so I'm super into. I'm
super into the Lucas Peyton Lindsay thing. I'm really into
what feels like it's gonna be the Nathan Haley Nanny
Carey thing. Oh god, it feels so dangerous. But I
want to know who Brooke is gonna kiss like it
feels Brooke Davis, you know, the pied Piper of boys,

(01:03:02):
is not making eyes in anybody right now, and it
feels very weird.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
She needs that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Brooke has been constantly all about the boys, and this
is so good for her, and I love that she
can also just set up a storyline for us that
isn't all about boy drama, because everybody loves a little
boy drama. But we also need to see women just
like figuring out how to start a company, I mean,
or keep it people out and do it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
I mean, I just love that. I think that's so awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
When she says on the phone, yes, there's a boy here,
and we knew a little boy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
It's my godson. You're just not letting me finish. Yeah,
it's really nice, some little I'm sorry. Maria's here, she's
getting in the car. I'm taking bye, honey.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
She's like, bane it was locked.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Okay, mom, we have to go. Okay, guys, Okay, sorry,
I won't all right, I'm gonna let you finish up.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Okay, okay, bye.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
See. That's how we do for the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
That's what we do. I do love that Brooks world
is expanding as she comes home, that she knows what's important.
It's sort of what we were talking about earlier when
we were talking about loss, that a big work life

(01:04:20):
that consumes all of your time without a life life
is not enough. Yeah, and we were all really struggling
with that at.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
This Oh my god, well because at this age too,
like where I come from, everybody gets married at twenty one,
twenty two, and I was catching a huge ration of
shit from everyone, like you didn't come to my college graduation,
and you didn't come to my bachelorette party, and you
didn't come to this, and you didn't come to.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
This, tell me about it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
My time didn't belong to me and it didn't belong
to you, And so I felt awful and was just
constantly apologizing for being a bad person because I hadn't
gotten this job.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
Well, yeah, you're always on the receiving end of shit.
And then someone will say, well, you know you went
to that event and it's like, well, yeah, because they
scheduled around it because they want us to do press
that looks fancy from the outside, but that's they look
at that as strategic. That's still then a commercial to go,
yea commercial advertising guys, Come on, you know the the

(01:05:28):
reality that you just you just don't get to go
to things, you just don't and yes you love it,
but it's hard and the struggle that it's both is
something that I was really I just felt so connected
to in this moment, and I think I loved the

(01:05:49):
storyline so much because Brooke got to change it. I
didn't get to go home, but she did. She got
to form a relationship with her godson, and she got
to be back with her best friend, and you and
I had those moments that were so beautiful together and
I was like, this is everything I want. Yeah, And
I really really loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
It felt good, It felt really real, and I know
that we're eventually going to end up like in Brooks
apartment somewhere all I can think is are they staying
in a hotel in their own hometown right now? Because
there is nothing that feels worse as someone that has
to do that when I go home to Virginia, like
staying in a hotel, really at the Riverview Suites or

(01:06:34):
Brook and Peyton are at the Wilmingtonian.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
They're at the Wilmingtonian in the Marilyn Monroe room with
the famed room. Does Peyton go home? I don't remember.
Do you still have the house? The Sawyer House?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
No, no, they haven't shown where we are because I
thought about that after last week's episode. I'm like, Peyton
goes to pick Brook up at the airport, but then
where does she take her?

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Where do we go? I'm very curious. I think this
is probably why they make brook by a house so fast.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Let's just settle down, girls, we're just gonna We're just
gonna buy a house. What did we miss? Because I
love getting messages from people that are like, I can't
believe they talked for an hour. They didn't bring up this,
So why don't I get yelled at anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
I don't want to get yelled at either. I watched
I'm gonna confess something. I watched this episode on my
lunch break at play rehearsal in London. Yeah, and I
only made it forty two minutes or in or whatever
I had. I think, hold on, I've still got it
pulled up. I can tell you exactly where I had

(01:07:41):
this stung.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Oh, you have to see the end. The end is magic.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
No, because I remember, oh wait, oh, yeah, I have
I have seven minutes and forty.

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
Eight seconds left.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
God, so I knew once I realized what this episode was,
I knew what was coming. I knew that I'm taking
a stand was coming. I felt it in my bones.
But guys, there's eight minutes. I have no idea. Holy
tell me, what did I miss?

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Oh my god? I mean the reveal of Karen's cafe
is so good, like that was a winner. Nathan rolls
that wheelchair into the pool.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Right, oh, in the pool that I remember too. It
was weird to't be watching and go, oh, I remember
how this? Oh, I remember how this? And then I thought,
I know the cafe happens. I know Nathan in the
pool happens.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
But then he gets out of the pool and he's
perfectly dry, and he goes to Jamie's room.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
No, he's not dry, girl, he's dry.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
He takes Jamie out to the racetrack and they race
each other in the wheelchair in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
The wrong car. Oh that's right. Oh god, So they
do their own soapbox rally.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Haley doesn't witness that, you know, And I guess I
don't know. I just feel really sympathetic for Nathan because
I've gone through dark patches that have certainly lasted longer
than four months. And I'm like, see, he's connecting with
his kid. They probably have these little like quiet moments
that Haley doesn't witness, and he doesn't have to like
be performative about it, like, hey, buddy, great, come talk

(01:09:09):
to me. Oh that's so they were very cute.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Sweet, I forgot about that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
It's interesting because I, you know, in all, in all
the journeys we've done, I identify with his experience and
deep sadness and rage and all of that. And I
know how long I waited to throw. I wish I'd

(01:09:35):
done it sooner. Yeah, So I also really I also
really want to cheer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Right now, we know the four months, what is the
appropriate amount of time We're going to figure out what
that is it's like, listen, I don't know, four months
too soon, six months now you're dead to me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
It also depends on it depends on what the issue
is that's making you want to throw things.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
I think I mean Peyton leaving Nathan in the children's
cancer ward of the hospital was so extreme and weird.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
That was unacceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Hi, I haven't seen you in four years. Just gonna
drop you off with all these immune compromised children real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
What bothers me about those sorts of liberties is that
it's just implausible you would not be on the pediatric
oncology floor taking someone to physical therapy. You know what
I would have loved if you guys were having that
conversation walking into the hospital and getting on an elevator.

(01:10:33):
You turned him around and you and you smacked on
college like you know, pediatrics or whatever in the elevator
and shoved him out and said, look at how ungrateful
you are. I'm out, And you left him there and
he had to wheel back and go to physical therapy,
like do something more interesting. Then they're just happening to

(01:10:53):
walk through here and there's not a single nurse saying
you are not allowed on this floor. You could be
bringing in a passage in I could kill a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
We didn't think things through. Come on, that hospital set
was ours. We were going to use it however we
want well.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
And it was only one floor. There was an elevator,
but it went to nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Hey, okay. Other favorite scene of the show though, is
you me and Lucas on the river court like I
love we went back to that space together.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
It's like a magnet.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
And that was part of the place where when we
were talking about our lives and you said, well you
have this, I wrote it down. You said, uh, now
I want to tell you what I wrote down and
I can't see.

Speaker 6 (01:11:41):
It there it is.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
You said, you have a very busy, very great life
in Brooko's Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Mm hmm that's what.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
It looks like. Nope, this is what I care about.
We get into this thing about your dreams and investing
in them and like we're going to do it together.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
I just I loved how honest but like alive and
joyous and oh messy it was. And then this boy
shows up and it's like, hey, go talk to her
about this. Oh it just felt so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
Brook is such a good wing Man.

Speaker 8 (01:12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
No, but that sense of like I did the work thing.
You and I do this in real life. You're doing
it in Tulsa, you know, and you've done it in
other small towns where you have kind of built chapters
of your life. I'm doing it here in Rhinebeck. It's
like we go out and we work.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Work, work, work, work, work, work, work work.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
I feel like the last five years I've just been
like working constantly, and then you hit this point where
you're like, Okay, I'm gonna do a home chapter and
I'm just gonna be home for a while. And now
I'm doing PTA and it takes precedent over literally everything else,
Like I'm scheduling everything around PTA.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
PTA.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
It's the thing that restores us. Like we're cancers, we're homebodies,
we're nest I like the Brook is able to embody that,
and it doesn't look like failure. It looks like a
different color success.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Absolutely, Well, and everybody's always got opinions about what you're doing. Hey,
not everybody knows what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
And b.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
We all we all need that. You know. I had
all these people this year being like, well, what do
you mean You're not going to go do a pilot.
What's your next show? And I was like, no, I
need a minute. I need a minute. I want to
be I want to be home for the holidays. I
want to I want to look around and just figure

(01:13:41):
out what I want to do in this moment. And
I was like, I want to go do a play.
That's what I want to do. TV's there. I want
to go do this other thing. And it feels exciting.
And I think it can remind you of what you
love and why when you give yourself a moment to breathe, reset,

(01:14:04):
and then decide what excites you. And I love that
these two friends are coming home to breathe and.

Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
Figuring out what excites them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Okay, we have a question from Haley not spelled like
our Haley. This is a l E. I G. H Haley,
if you had any scenes with Jamie, how would you
go about rehearsing your lines with him? Would he have
an acting coach on set to help him through every
scene or did he rehearse ahead of time? I mean
you worked with them more than I did.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Yeah, I mean we worked together a lot. You know,
time with kids is limited, but yeah, he I think
his mom really really worked with him a lot. You know,
his mom and siblings uprooted moved to Wilmington so that
he could do this job and his his I can't

(01:15:06):
remember it. I feel like he had two siblings.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Got it to me he had an older sister and
a younger brother. Because I took the older sister with
mike Lewonne's daughter to go see Mama Mia, I had
a two nine year olds with me and jaming.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Oh my god. I was thinking for some reason that
they were both older. But that's probably why I'm thinking
of I'm thinking there was a running around set together. Yeah,
but you know, his mom would really help him memorize things,
and because he was not working every day like we were,

(01:15:42):
he he had less to remember. And then we would work,
so we would rehearse, and then we would kind.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
Of gamify it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
You know. I could be like, well, when you say
this to me, what do you think you're really saying?
And he, you know, he could ask me what do
you mean, and it's like, well, you know, somebody's have
a really good day and you say to them, how
are you and they say I'm good. Or if someone's
having a bad day and you say to them how
are you and they say, I'm good. Yeah, you know

(01:16:12):
the difference, right, like what's really underneath it? And so
we would play these games together that were really they
were really fun and blocking with kids, you know, figuring
out the action that happens through the scene, when you
pick him up, when you high five, when you run
around that really I think can ground them too. So
he definitely had to do work at home and then

(01:16:34):
we would just work together. And then I mean the
lassitter said it last week. Sometimes she'd be hiding next
to the kitchen cabinets going this is this is your line.
We just made sure we always made sure he had
the support he needed because he was only four.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Gus just got offered a movie and I'm I'm like no,
I like, we haven't even read the script. But I'm
like also horrified because he wants to do it. And
I'm like, oh my god, am I going to be
a stage mom? Like is that what's gonna happen? Yep,
I don't know. I can't. Like George is the age

(01:17:10):
that Jackson was, and there's she's so feral, there's no
way she would stand on a mark, Like she won't
let people brush her hair. She's like, you know, I
can't imagine my baby baby working. But Gus's got a
mustache now, so he thinks he's a grown man and
it's like, mother, I must man. Yeah, it's so stressful. Well,

(01:17:32):
I'm glad Jackson had you to mother hen him on set.
Just take him under your wing. What's our most likely
to what.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Do we got? Let's spin a wheel. Be curious too
to ban it'spanon. I'd be so curious to hear Joy
and James answer that question as well, obviously as the
people who played his parents, like how yeah, how that was? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Could he read at that point? Or did someone have
to read the line to him? Ooh? Who is most
likely to.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
Become a detective?

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
You don't du duh? Yeah, I mean it's kind of I.

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
Mean, you literally do a documentary series about solving crimes.
But also if something's going on, you're always the person
to go, Guess what I found out, Guess what I
dug up, Guess where blah blah blah went, Like you
always know it's you A thousand go I'm nosy, Oh,

(01:18:34):
don't deflect, You're you're good at it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
No. I loved like on set learning things from the
crew and being able to like trickle information down and
be like, you know, you don't know about that. Oh
my god. We're going through case files right now for
the next season of our show, and it's just fuckery everywhere.
And you know you want to when you're dealing with

(01:18:59):
morbid subject matter, it messes with you, but you want
to show up and do a good job for these
people because no one else is. So I totally understand
the private investigator mindset of like, all right, well, no
one else is doing the job, I'll do it. You know,
let's just roll up our sleeves. Who on our show
would be a PI always kind of like Fergie. He's

(01:19:22):
always around, but just.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
But he's mysterious. Nobody knows what he does. Maybe he's
in the CIA, Yeah, come into that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Who else like doesn't have a job but is always around.
I like those people you just never really know. What
do you do? How do you afford your mortgage? How
do you pay for gas?

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
How'd you buy that apartment?

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Like his skills is his only job? The basketball coach?
Does he not have like another hustle?

Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
It seems that way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
I just remember when we were kids, those like one
eight hundred commercials where you could do mail order degrees
and it was like at home nursing, private investigator. And
I remember thinking like, why would I go to college?
I could just stay home and be a private investigation.

Speaker 6 (01:20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
I could stay home and play the Inspector Gadget theme
song to myself all day, dunderd Dirt, Dirt, Dirt, dar.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
Like, come on, I'm here for it. Sign me up, folks.
We got an honorable mention.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
God, I feel like this whole episode is an honorable mention.
Isn't that silly?

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
I just love Nathan coming up out of the water
because it was slow motion. It really was like free Willy,
Like it was like a different movie, and it because
there was so much heavy for me personally, and also
in the episode. I just loved that moment of like, da,
it was fun.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
I love feeling like our heroes are back. Yeah, and
you know, I know the journey's not over for him,
but what he's saying is he's gonna fight for it. Yeah,
and that like that's that's it, that's everything.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
And that we got to see him make that decision
by himself, not with Haley, not with his son, not
with anybody else like to see him do it by himself.
Now we get the added reward of him eventually revealing
it to people. So I'm excited about our future episodes.
What do we got next week? Baby?

Speaker 5 (01:21:18):
Next week, Season five, episode three, My way home is
through you. Well, that's sweet.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
I love you. We'll have so much fun in London.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
Love it, Thank you, my angel, Love you all. See
you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
See you hey, thanks for listening.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's Oth.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.
See you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
We all about that.

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school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our
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Bethany Joy Lenz

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