It’s a Trap! • EP311

The Drama Queens are fired up and desperately need an update on Joy's love-life and the date/non-date from last week!

Hilarie, Sophia and Joy dive into this week’s episode and dissect the storyline of Haley ‘trapping’ Nathan, the bond between Peyton and Ellie AND the long awaited return of Keith!!!!

Plus, contest winner Amanda joins us and as you can imagine… she’s pumped! The Queens are giving her all their Wilmington tips and tricks - you’ll need to write these down!

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Episode Transcript

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(00:24):
Oh boy, Hi guys, we need after that episode? Yeah,
we need a drink for this is probably going to
be the title of this episode. Honestly, I've got liquors
somewhere from one of our previous recordings. I can't do
this straight faced. This was the first time I think

(00:49):
we've actually looked at each other and gone, how are
we going to make it through the rest of this?
There are twenty more minutes of this. This was not
a good episode, is in This was its episode three
episode le okay, it's his return of the future, which
we had kind of high hopes for. It sounds, you know,
futuristic and exciting. Was not. It was not exciting. There's

(01:13):
going to be spacesuits and there were boards, and this
episode was trash. The Ravens losing Street continues and Whitey
forces the team to find another home. Jim in a
incredibly tropy. I'm gonna make y'all play in a We're
gonna have to work for it. Kids, clean this place

(01:34):
until it shines like the top of the building. Nathan
gets upseted Haley when Dan puts the idea in his
head that she's trying to trap him with that. Baby
Brook finds an unlikely ally with her designs when she
gets in Rogue Vogue. Ellian Peyton continue to bond best

(01:55):
part of the episode. I wish the whole episode had
just been you too. Um continue to bond over music,
might together an album that will benefit charity, and finally
Keith returns to tree Hill, but Dan gets in the
way of his happily ever after with Karen his pinstripe suit. Guys,
let's not talk about it. I don't want to talk

(02:15):
about it yet. I'm not going to talk about it.
I still have that biold taste in my throat where
I'm like, we have to talk about what we talked
about last week? Um, can we just find out joys
love life? Because that's all we talk about. The suitor
whose instagram we did a deep dive into will never
tell you who he is, but we know all we know.

(02:37):
Oh my gosh, you know you know what, Like I
spend a few days thinking like, did you know? Was
I for reacting? You know, like, no, I've had I've
been in I've been in moods where I was just
feeling happy and friendly and like, hey, you let's say,
let's sit down have lunch. You seem nice and I'm nice,
and let's have a chat. You know, we're both kind
of new in town and let's just sit and chat.

(02:59):
And then like as the lunch goes on, oh wow,
I'm really attracted to this person. Maybe, so like I'm thinking, okay,
I got maybe I could give him a little bit
of space for that felt unsure. Hillary is just shaking ahead. No,
because we talked to our husband's. I did because because
you know, there's going to be somebody who's like, god,
you girls are so uptight. No, we're not. Because guess

(03:22):
who else is mad about this? Our husbands. We gave
we gave this thing the smell test to both Grant
and Jeff, and they've got notes. They're very upset. They
both were like that's absolutely unacceptable. Yeah, it was like
the first time we've gone to dinner was just the
two of us, and we're like, we're not going to

(03:42):
talk about the kids, you know. I was like, well,
let me tell you about this joy. I laid it
all out for him, and I was like, just out
of curiosity, have you ever invited a strange woman to
sit with you during lunch where you talk for hours
and don't tell her about me? And he's like, uh no,

(04:03):
first of a half, and you would destroy her. But
second of all, um, that's totally a date. That's a date.
And he was offended and he was like, let me
see the guy's Instagram. And we the Morgans, don't think
he's attractive enough for all of that. I think we're
gonna is what we're gonna do. Look, I'm just saying

(04:25):
it was my type. If you walked into a room
with cute boys and you know there was attractive men
in there, that's probably the one you would have picked
for me, Like tall lumberjackie, you know, like disheveled, smart,
like this is great dish. But but you were alright
than that, a little less diss but truly, Like when

(04:46):
I talked to Grant about it. He was like, listen,
and we talked about this last week, Ladies, like, that's
the kind of many I'm sorry. Grant's the kind of
person who was like, he's he's sweet, open, see him
like striking up a conversation with someone quite innocently and
just you know, so I am actually interested to knowing,

(05:07):
particularly what he thinks too. Yeah. By the way, one
of my favorite things about my husband, still not used
to saying, it still feels really fun um is that
literally like I can I can take him anywhere. We
can lose each other at a party, and he's always
having a great time. He's made a new friend, can't
wait to talk to me about the person that he

(05:27):
met and what we're gonna do, and we wind up
inviting people to dinner. I love that about him. His
point was, look, it's great if you're social, but if
you're hiding your life, she lied to her, That's what
he said. He said that man lied to her. And
when I said, yeah, you know, my feedback to Joy
was you and Maria could have had new friends in

(05:51):
town if you've known that this guy and his fiance
had a farm, like y'all could have been family friends.
And Grant said, exactly, but he lied to her. When
you leave out one of the most important facts of
your life, you're lying and not only. Grant's point was
that not only did this guy lie to you, but
he lied about her. Yeah, and to do that to

(06:14):
the person that you have pledged your life too is dark.
I am this is why we're mad. And Grant was like,
we need we need to introduce joy to someone. I'm
going to think about this because this is unacceptable. You
guys know how sometimes like Entertainment Weekly or some of
these news outlets will pick up things that we've talked
about in the podcast and turn them into a news story.

(06:36):
What are we gonna do when they take this the
case of the lying farmer, and they turned into a story,
And it's like, oh my god, Okay, well listen, if
if we're if we're going to do what the tabloids
would do for one more second, let me just follow
up that. In addition to y'all going through his Instagram,
I showed it to Grant and then I said, and look,

(06:57):
because if you scroll so far down and you find
the only picture she's in, and then you go to
her page, he goes, let me, guess he's in every
photo and I said yes. So she tells the truth
about her life and this man, this man is telling
a lie about his life, and I don't like it.
And things are all very offensive, bad instincts, even on
even on the most generous benefit of the doubt level,

(07:19):
even there, and you go, Okay, he's just finding himself
attracted and didn't expect to and doesn't know what to do. Listen,
every time you have a choice to do the right
thing or or be selfish, and those moments happen every day,
all the time. You have a choice in that moment,
and what you do with that choice is the measure
of your character, That is who you are. That doesn't happen.

(07:43):
It doesn't happen in the charity cases that you show
up to take care of. It doesn't happen in all
the big grand gestures. It happens in those small moments
when you have a split second choice and you have
to do the right thing. And what I will say is,
we're all human. It's impossible, infallible. Everyone has had low moments.
Everyone has. You know, you think of your highest highs,

(08:05):
you've got your lowest lows. You have things you regret.
You have things about your past you wish you could change.
You have decisions you wish you could have made differently,
but not to be you know, tropy and annoying. But
at our age, come on, come on, we're even ten
years ago. I could have gone you know what, Maybe

(08:26):
he felt pressured and they got engaged and he's trying
to get out and he saw you and he didn't
want to chance get away and he's breaking up with
her next week. No, at this point, absolutely, we are
so adult. And the fact that when you gave him
the opportunity to tell the truth and say, I asked
you to have lunch because you seem so nice, and
then we got to talking and then suddenly I thought, oh, no,

(08:48):
I've done this. I've done this thing. This feels like
a date. I don't know how to tell her. I'm engaged.
I'm embarrassed, and I should have just told you. I'm
so mortified. If he said that maybe you could be friends.
Literally you could see him around town and meet us
fiance at a coffee shop one day, and you all
could become friends and laugh about it. But the way
he reacted, well, if I had a dollar for every
time a girl hit on me fired. The boys are

(09:11):
on our side. I don't need girls. I don't need
I don't need to please please whatever I need. I
don't need you. I could ask you. I can get
any girl I want. Like, he's not a twenty four
year old ding Dung. We are grown ups. And it
was a follow up That's what really kicked me, because
I was like, you know what, walking away from that
lunch and being like, okay, you know what, you had
a weird moment. It's selfish and rude, but okay, fine.

(09:35):
It was the follow up two days later that was
the real kicker. That's what it was. That I wasn't
gonna say anything. I was like, I got to your number,
but I'm just going to back off. I'm never gonna
talk to this guy again. It's fine because the fact
that he that was That's why my immediate response was like, yeah, hey, hey,
you engaged. Why are you talking to me? Why are
you talking to me? Why are you still here? Why
are you still here? To your storyline in the episode Joy,

(10:00):
because Haley is not suffering any bulgeon. There we go, Hillary,
Now look for real as we're talking about this, like
Ding Jong boy, you know the world revolves around them.
The world revolves around their goals and their hopes and
their dreams. Fantastic, congratulations Nathan, you're good at sports. This

(10:21):
idea that like Haley's trying to trap him, his quickness
to buy into Daddy's narrative, it's very uncle to me.
And also that I could see it. I could see
it because of because of the town history, because of
Karen and Debb. That's what it feels like. Okay, maybe

(10:44):
this is a thing women do. But we commented how
yelly this episode was. But perhaps my issue is more
with the way it was scripted, where if you notice
in this episode, everyone went from zero to a hundred
very quickly, and and every scene was only like half
a page long, so it's just these tiny vignettes of
people screaming at each other. I don't want to do that.

(11:07):
It was relax what's relaxed. What I'll say is that
you're Your willingness to be vulnerable in real life is
something that I really respect about you, and you've always
been that way. You've always been the one to be like, hey,
I don't feel good, this doesn't feel nice. Can we
talk about it? Even we were kids, you were the

(11:28):
person that would be like, let's I don't feel nice,
let's talk. Hailey does that in this episode where she's like, Okay,
I understand that you're all whacked out right now, but
this doesn't feel nice, So I'm not going to make
it better for you. It's not my job to fix this,
which is so great after she's been groveling thank you

(11:52):
that um and I thought for a second, I was like,
is this a defense mechanism? Because now she got him
back and now he's being weird again, and so instead
of being worry, instead of turning it back around on herself,
she's she's angry and like letting out all of her
frustration that she's had pent up or is is this legitimate?

(12:14):
But it's legitimate. He's he's being irrational and crazy, and
I think it's really important that line that she has
been very willing to see his pain. She's been very
willing to say I hurt you, and I know why
you're struggling to trust me again. Haley and Lucas have
this interesting parallel with that a little bit. But Haley

(12:35):
is being kind and Lucas is being the king of
Mr Ex and and I like that in this moment,
it's this goes past his feelings and into an accusation
that while you can say, like I get that you
have trauma because this is your dad's story, how dare you?

(12:55):
I love the way so much writing I could criticize
in this episode, but that you were scripted to say
some you know what what you said about being seventeen
and having your own dreams and your own career goals.
It's like this idea that women just trapped men with
babies and you're like, hey, i'd have to carry it.
I'd be a teen mom, I'd be giving up my future,

(13:15):
Like this isn't some casual thing to me. And it
was such a nice call out. Yeah, like it's not
a small deal for a girl of any age to
get pregnant. Screw you, dude, Like I loved that that
there was that Wherewithal it really is like who do
you think you are? Who do you think I am?

(13:36):
How stupid do you think I am? Yes? And I
like desport for you do you think I am? Right?
It's like I wanted you, I don't I don't need you, yea.
And that goes into her being really clear about why
she wasn't on birth control. She's like, I'm sorry, you're
yelling at me. You left me, I was gone and

(13:57):
I wasn't sleeping with that guy you thought I was
sleeping with. And by the way, you could have not
been an idiot. At the end of the unprotected sex night, Sir,
I really liked that. I really liked it. It takes
to Nathan. I was like, yes, Haley, you're right, it
sure does. Absolutely. Yeah, that's never happened to me before.
I mean, they are a children present, but that that

(14:19):
moment of questioning, hey, hey you were you were taking
care of that, right, because I didn't, like, I've I've
never experienced that, like I'm sorry, excuse me, sorry, No,
it's actually almost always their responsibility. But you know what
I think is really interesting about that. This is one

(14:41):
of the moments where I relish in our on screen
friendship in the in the Halien Brooke of it, because
the girls are being the adults in the room. Yeah,
we're having a conversation and I'm like, I love that
you're back with your houseband. What I'm mad at you
that you had unsafe sex and we have this like
safe sex talk that is actually frank and and once

(15:02):
we get into it, we ask each other questions and
there's no judgment. There's like real encouragement of exploration of
a relationship dynamic. And thank god we're getting it somewhere
with our female friendships, because with the boys, we're just
being accused of ridiculous nous. It's totally ridiculous. Throw my
hands up. I've had a great No, it's nice. It's

(15:24):
nice to see that between us. I love our conversations.
I do love our conversations in this episode, and that
the conversation that you guys had was so much better
than the conversation that Luke and Nathan had because they
essentially have the same conversation where he's like, and how
to pregnancy skin get a man like, you know, and
it's so just broade out and it doesn't get to

(15:48):
any point of honesty where it's like, hey, it's on
us to always have protection, it's on us to be
participants in this safe sex game. Like at no point
did they hold each other accountable in the way that
the girls do. The girls are having in this very
adult conversation, the boys are like, do let anything in
the way of basketball, man? I mean, while the girls

(16:12):
are like, well, do you think in your subconscious mind
you did really want to just launch back into your family?
You know what? That's the way we are sports. I mean,
I mean we buy the three of us. That's kind
of our game. Yeah, was there anything else? Do you mean?

(16:35):
In this episode? Look? I really thought Karen and Keith
was going to be something I'd be excited to see,
but I just it was so clunky. It's like, you
really didn't like it. Keith came home and his face
was all shaved and he didn't have cyberns and also bandana.
Where's this? I don't know if his boots were even
tucked into his jeans. Who is this man? It's like,

(16:57):
you know, Craig came on our show and talked about
the fight that he had with our bosses about how
they wanted him to be super clean cut, and so
they wrote him out of a whole bunch of episodes,
and it felt like, Okay, well you're coming back, but
you're coming back on our terms. And the way that
we can show that Keith is a new man is
by tidying him up in this like super clean cut way. Um,

(17:19):
you're gonna play. But you're gonna play by our rules.
And it just felt like if Karen was going to
have the hots for Keith, she wanted, you know, mechanic Keith,
Keith with the floppy boots. That's the key. I will
say I did like that scene for him, well for
both of them really, when he fixed her car and

(17:41):
she came out in that little dress and it was
just sweet. I bet Andy could have a team of
guys do this, and she just dropped the honesty on him.
I traveled halfway around the world, but that's what happened,
was right here. When you're our age, When you're our age,

(18:01):
there's no time. Why waste time? Why are we wasting time?
Not just being a honest you know? I love that
about about Karen. Ya got the memo we're too old
for We're too old for this. I do like though
that as much as they made him clean up, Craig
was like, I'm keeping this bandana and like the gred

(18:24):
one was there. It was the picture of Bruce Springsteen's
Born in the USA cover with the jeans and the
red handkerchief was silent rebellion. Just like they can't win
all the way. I'm gonna let them win a little,
but they're not going to win all the way. It's
right that, I will say truly. For as much weird

(18:51):
energy as there was in this episode, and and as
clunky as the scenes felt, and as much as I
hated that they wrote Lucas to still be misdirecting book
and then to tease her about sex and that like
he's not in love and then he's like just kidding
him in love with you, the highlight for me was

(19:13):
Peyton and Ellie. I wanted the whole episode to be
you and your mom on a road trip meeting with
bands and having her It was like she was building
the yellow brick road for you, like you she right.
You see her teaching Peyton all the cool like rock

(19:36):
and roll world band manager tricks, and as a viewer,
I could see, not just for her, how refreshing it
is that Peyton's in a moment of joy, but I,
as Sophia could see you as Hillary having fun and
it's so funny you have fun. That was It was

(19:57):
a big change. I kept thinking, I was like, what
is it about? I mean, you're beautiful no matter what,
but there was there was a different light about you
in this episode. And your hair was done a little differently,
and your skin looked really glowy, and your makeup was lovely.
But it was that you were happy, and it was
so nice to just see Peyton being happy. I felt

(20:19):
like very protected in my storyline with Cheryl. I wasn't
being asked to do anything compromising. I wasn't having to
kiss any of the boys on the show, which isn't
like an awful thing, but it is, you know, it's weird.
I was just asked to connect with someone who I
really really really liked, and it felt so fun and
so safe. And in that scene where she's telling me

(20:42):
about the day that Peyton was born, like I found
myself as Hilary just like hungry for that, Like I
wanted to know every minute of that experience and then
what and then what and then what and and yeah,
I think, um, I don't know watching her, m hm,

(21:06):
she's so glittery and like when she throws her hands
up in the air when the band like agrees to everything,
she lights up. I just I'm so enamored with this
person um in front of the camera and you know,
like off screen that Yeah, I would can sign me
up for anything, sure, really ever does ever, like she's

(21:27):
just a magic person. Our editors also did such a
beautiful job because when you guys have that conversation, you
say not a surface in and she throws her arms
up right when her hands get all the way out
stretched as one always love kicks in. You always notice
the music cues. Look at you, it's happening again and
no I'm not okay. It made me cry and I'm

(21:50):
crying again, Like it was such a moment and I
was like, oh god, it was beautiful between the two
that you know is look at you. So I just
wish more fill storytelling was about those relationships. There's so
much emphasis put on boyfriend's boyfriend's boyfriends or girlfriend's friends,
look whatever, and I get it, like I was the

(22:11):
kid who was loved crazy forever. Um. But I also
have like a like a family thing where I like
stories about families because I I'm not necessarily good at
that all the time, and so I like watching it.
I like those narratives because they helped me understand like

(22:31):
what I'm doing wrong or what I can do better,
or what maybe things should look like. You know. Um,
and Ellie is just you know, one of those little
magical bubbles that we got to play in. I also
think that having more examples set can be really helpful,
not just for us you know now watching families learning

(22:54):
that kind of stuff in terms of how to navigate it,
like you're saying, but as a young person, I think
sometimes the reason that young love can feel so all
consuming or or life shattering when it ends is because
we have so many shows like this that just focus

(23:15):
on who are you in love with and who as
you and that's the most important thing, as though that's it,
and then you think, well, this is all I'm supposed
to be thinking about. And when we watch episodes where
we have a really good balance of these young kids
finding themselves, finding themselves in their families, um figuring out
how to excel in school, find out what they're passionate about.

(23:37):
In addition to yes, the you know, the beautiful fragment
of life that is finding love, it feels more balanced,
it's more enjoyable, and then things become less repetitive and
trophy like. If we do too much relationship drama, it
gets annoying and it's like we've seen it a hundred times.

(23:58):
If all Dan Scott has is to be the evil
mustache guy. We're like, oh my god, they've made him
do the same thing for five episodes. We get annoyed
with it. I like a balance better, and I think
it's why it's so refreshing having Peyton and Ellie having
this beautiful storyline, because it adds something to our show.

(24:18):
It makes it better. Well, I miss, because I think
that's a great point. I am just as excited to
watch Haley fall in love with music and Broke fall
in love with her fashion line as I am to
see them fall in love with Luke and Nathan. Like cool, great,
it's the it's the magic of the potential and the

(24:40):
unknown and the excitement, you know, Like that's riveting to watch.
And the reason this episode fell so flat is that
we know all that content is there, and right now
it's just like boys, boys, boys, boys boys. These boys
are tough to deal with, you know, and Luca is

(25:00):
being all, you know, misdirect and Nathan's picking fights to
pick fights and repeating a cycle that is frankly boring
at this point. It's boring to watch. That's what we said.
We all were just like, I'm so bored. The cycle
is boring. Dan Scott showing up with no redeeming qualities
is boring. And sometimes what happens is when you have

(25:23):
different writers on every episode. What I found with my
character is that every single writer, every single visiting director,
wanted that moment of Peyton crying, right, and so you
just end up doing that one thing over and over again.
And I think that's what's happened with Dan. Everybody wants

(25:44):
to have the Dan moment, and it's just like, guys,
we've done it for three seasons, Like, show Dan doing
something king adorable? What if Dan saved a baby? What
if there was a baby character roll down the street
and then the baby you know, yeah, and then Devin

(26:06):
Karen could have a great joke about of course he
did you know? There could be a moment? Yes, yes,
I uh. I just think sometimes that's a it's a
pitfall of a writer's room where you've got different writers
on every episode because everyone's working kind of in a bubble,
and it's hard to know, like, what are you doing?

(26:27):
What are you doing? What are you doing? All right, Well,
I won't make Dan crazy in this episode. I'll actually
make him really likable so that it packs a punch
in your episode. I also think sometimes on a show
with a cast of this size, people will get really
focused on the thing that needs to happen, Like they
want Nathan and Haley to have this big fight because

(26:49):
is Nathan going to become Dan? And then because that's
such a focus, they'll get lazy with Dan or you know,
they want there to be this push and pull with Brooke,
and somebody says, well, Lucas should tease Brooke with these
mister acts where he says something that makes her feel
real bad about herself, and then he'll be like, I'm kidding,
your my favorite person. I'm obsessed with you, and it's

(27:10):
like a throwaway comment. But then two writers on two
different episodes here and they each do it in their
episode three times. So then you're like, well, I hate this.
Instead of it being impactful, I hate it. So I
wonder how many moments we had like that, what if
Dan was like a really good mayor what if Dan

(27:32):
was doing in the town that we're actually wonderful and
then it was juxtaposed by this behind closed doors stuff,
But instead it's just all slimy. Yeah, it's it's a weird.
I mean, we and you know, we had twenty two episodes,
sometimes twenty four. I think, god, um, but it's funny

(27:53):
now when you look at how it's uh. TV shows
are twelve to thirteen episodes, you know at max sixteen,
but that's pretty rare um and they usually take a
long time to draw out a storyline over that period
of time. We had twenty two episodes. I don't know why.
I guess it just wasn't the thing to do. It
wasn't popular back then. We always thought we might be canceled.

(28:15):
So they were just like, we gotta always wrap everything
up so bad well, And I think that's a big
part of it too, is when you have that many episodes,
things do become repetitive because it's so much time to fill. Yeah,
but they can do it like it's an hour. I
mean we can always flash back to death at the fire,

(28:37):
Oh my god, were seeing with her and Keith? Or
it was shot all shaky like we're watching twenty four
or whatever was an episode of Intervention. I was like,
what is this? Like, what person is in the bed
with these two? It was very it was a very

(28:59):
disjointed episdisode. But I will say talking about it for
the last thirty two minutes. I realized there were more
highlights than we thought because we really were bored the
whole time. Okay, who else? What else happened in this episode? Rachel?
Rachel admitted designs. I liked that that was redeeming moment.

(29:20):
Although she had an event, she had an alternator motive.
This is the thing. We were getting to the end
of that scene, and I'm watching me and Daniel be
in these real cute little rivals who are deeply obsessed
with each other and mad about it. Like I'm a
big Rachel fan, guys, and I was like, man, look
at starting. We're cute. And then I walk away from

(29:41):
her and she goes, no, thank you, and I was like, wait,
what evil thing did she have planned? Dear, I genuinely
don't remember. Don't either. I think that Rachel loves you,
like I honestly think, because I remember being in high
school and not necessarily like wanting to go out with
a girl, but I remember there were girls that I
was like, I can't stop thinking about this, like this

(30:02):
chick is just in my brain. In my brain, Rachel's
got a thing where she's fixated on Brooke, and she's like,
I'm either going to win this girl over or I'm
going to destroy her, or I'm going to win over
her and I'm gonna win over her by destroying her
and then make her my pet. You know, like there's

(30:24):
there's just like kind of this sexy power thing going
on between two of you that Yeah, I like it
for sure, And I couldn't help being amused by Danielle.
And you can see it on my face. You're not
winnissed off. You're like when she admits it and I

(30:45):
have this like I try to talk and I get
stuck moment and I'm like, oh no, that's that's real. Yeah,
it's You're not really mad. You're trying to put the
puzzle piece together, and honestly, I think you you should
just kiss. Like you guys are super freaking cute. There's
a way, like eventually you guys start mirroring each other

(31:06):
and the way you wear your hair and the way
you it's so cute. You guys become roommates. I missed,
Yes that happened. Oh my god, joy. This is why
I'm like, what evil thing does she does? Because I
know what's coming, but obviously not that well, it's this
show we're being made today. Brooke and Rachel would have
gotten a kiss, and I would have liked that. You

(31:27):
know who else Brook really likes in this episode, Uncle
Keith coming back. I ran and jumped into his arms,
like launching herself at Superman. Oh god, Sophia, when you
was like, oh my god, but your body like blocks

(31:50):
who you're running up to go see? So I had
because I was I really missed Craig. I don't know
what else to say. Craig. It was great that she
was back. Should the pole be? Should Brooke have been
that excited to see Uncle Keith? Should she? I liked it.
I liked what you said Hill that that that's what

(32:11):
you do. It's like a cute young girl thing to do.
And you know, I still do it like I want
to care about the things that you care about. I'm
gonna show that I care. It's a good girlfriend. Oh
my god, this is my boyfriend's favorite. And plus we
all really missed Craig. Yeah, we missed him a lot,
we did. Yeah. I also like that Craig. Craig was

(32:38):
given these jokes once once I say, you know, I'll
go sleep on my couch. You guys have time to
catch up. And Craig and Lucas leave together. He at
the Fountain had jokes two insinuate that we knew how
ridiculous the fire storyline was, and I liked that the
writers did that. Yeah, I like that they had him

(33:02):
poke fun at a pretty major jumping of the shark
that we did on our episode. It made me laugh.
Ye well, because it's just it doesn't feel like part
of our show. It's still doesn't like it's so out
of left field, like someone tried to murder Dan and
then he won the mayoral election. Like it's all just

(33:24):
so extra and there's no and Dan's still showing up
at like random gym's. He's everywhere. And I like the
new gym because I think one of the problems our
show gets into is that it's the success curse. If
every kid on the show is like the best at something,

(33:47):
and everyone's successful at everything and everything shiny and winning,
it loses its relatability with our audience. And so so
taking the kids out of the fancy gym and putting
them in a gym that actually looks more like some
of the schools. You know that I grew up around
the schools I grew up around. We're all built like

(34:09):
in the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. You know, there was
nothing that was shiny and happy. Um. And so remember
that Jim that was out where was that that was
out of something? For the reason that we got kicked
to that gym is that it was actually basketball season
for the real high school, and like we just couldn't

(34:30):
film there anymore. We got to find an alternate place.
For years, they said they were just going to build
a court on the stage, right. I don't know why
they didn't because because they kept threatening to cancel us.
That's why. I mean, it's great. It brought in revenue
for the city, um, and for the schools. I'm sure,
so that's always a good thing. Yea. But yeah, I

(34:52):
agree with you. I think we needed to we need
to bring it back down to earth a little bit.
It was it was becoming a lot dynasty. We had
to get into Whitey's crap hole. Oh god, what did
he say, scrawl out of my crap hole? What did
lion get out of my crap hole? Danny and I
was like, did anybody think about what it sounded like

(35:15):
when they put it on a page? Berry committed man
Berry committed and you could see how amused he was
by it, a little twinkle in his eye. Oh my god. Well, guys,
we have we have managed to fill up thirty five

(35:38):
minutes of time miraculously. But we have we have something
exciting because you guys will remember, sir, for our listeners,
we did a contest and we invited you all to
listen back to Old Drama Queen's episodes and answer questions
that we asked you that you could only the answer

(36:01):
from listening to our episodes, not from anything online. And
so we uh found a winner. And here's what she's won.
She gets a zoom with the Drama Queens with all
of us hello, and we're gonna talk with her in
a second. She gets a trip to Wilmington, North Carolina,
which includes round trip airfare domestically for the winner and
one guest, a tonight hotel stay at a five dllar

(36:23):
Visa gift card, and we're probably going to throw in
a couple of our favorite places to let her know,
like a little list of all of our favorite places
to go to. So can we please bring her in?
I'm so excited to welcome Amanda Dorch. Hey, Amanda, are
you there. Hello. Hi, You're an honorary drama queen. All. Hello. Hello.

(36:55):
I was like, I'm going to play it so cool
and then I'll freak out. We never played cool. Where
are you from, Amanda? Hi, I'm from Detraite, Michigan. That's
my only way from home. Amanda. I'm like, we're so
honored that you spent the time to listen to our
show and take the notes and find all these I'm

(37:16):
just so grateful. Thank you. Oh my goodness, thank you' all.
It was so funny. When the Scavenger Hunt was dropped.
I was like, okay, yeah, these are great questions. It's
hard on behalf of the fandom, y'all de greet, but
it was. It was awesome. So thank you all just
for the opportunity. I appreciate it. Yeah. Have you ever
been to Wilmington's before? Never? And it's so funny because

(37:39):
my sister and I we have been talking about it.
You're like, we have to get down there. She she's
my who I watched with and we listened together, and
so it was y'all announced the podcast or announced the
Scavenger Hunt the day before her eighteenth birthday, and so
we were like if it's miss if he is meant
to be, so she's gonna go this swome sweet. So wait, wait,

(38:04):
what are you the most excited to see? Because it's
going to be your first time? So do you have
a list of where you all want to go? So yes,
we have. We have of course all the landmark places
and then like we were avid listeners to the podcast
and so we've been like taking notes on where you
all say, and like we're really excited to eat of course,

(38:26):
and so so we're, um, yeah, we we have a
little list, but of course you want all of y'all's
recommendations all over again. And we definitely said we wanted
to go to resays. We definitely said that we wanted
to go, um just all the trademarks, all the houses
we were talking about, all the little trinkets that we're
going to pick up where the people. So we're like, okay, yeah,

(38:46):
we'll find some cute stuff, Sody, Okay, So what are
our top recommendations we're gonna send you. We're gonna set
you up please, yes, because we can this a lot.
Everyone's like, I'm going to I've got forty eight hours.
What do I do? We all know my first two.
You have to go to get tacos at Tower seven

(39:06):
at Beach. It's just so good and it's also local.
That is so such a standard staple Wilmington's thing to do. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's such a good vibe and it's fun because
whether you go for lunch or dinner, you can go
for a walk on the beach. There's like, there's so
many just cute things to see out at Writsville. And

(39:28):
then you've got to go when you do the downtown,
like the waterfront where Nathan gives Hayley her charm bracelet,
and where are you know all of our little stores
where our record shop was. You have to go to
kill Ones for ice cream. My personal favorite is a
Chilcot chip cookie. Though I don't know what you're jam is,
but if you get it, get it in a waffle cone,

(39:49):
you're welcome. I love the Catalan. I always used to
go there and just because you could always get a
great glass of wine and you just sit on the
on the water. Um. So it depends on what time
of when are you going. Do you know still open
Oh my gosh, I don't know, is it I don't know,

(40:12):
open the River Walk is open for sure, Okay, So
we're still talking about it. We haven't decided on the date.
So we've been working with your team and they've been amazing.
Just they are. I was like, oh my gosh, yeah
because they saw my original freak out, so shout out
to them. And so, um, we were talking about maybe going.

(40:36):
So my little sister, she is starting college, so I'm
trying to work around her schedule too, so this would
be the pr freshman year, so we're thinking either Labor
day or right before she leaves. She's in like two
three weeks. Okay, great labor days, great weather, it'll probably
good still on the water, and it'll be, my god,
than a labor days before hurricane season, which we learned

(41:00):
the hard way filming. Yeah, okay, but Joy's to Joy's point,
like glasses of wine on the Riverwalk are kind of yeah.
So and then and then Brasserie do so that's still open.
I hope just go get their steak freights and uh

(41:20):
and then mac and Cheese comes in that little tin
that they bake until crispy on the top. You can't
touch it. Yeah, antique shopping. You haven't mentioned it before, Okay,
Jess Jess James Vintage has always has great stuff. She
curates herself and it's really interesting things. And Castle Street

(41:43):
has quite a few anti Castle. Um. I want to
say it's like below eighth, so like everything kind of
below eighth on Castle Street is an antique emporeum and
there there's just little tiny shops all over the place.
Some of them you walk in and you think it's
a little shop and then it goes on forever. But

(42:04):
then there's also the Ivy Cottage going to take Cottage. Yeah.
I spent a lot of time in there. Yeah. Joy.
We did some damage in there. We did our houses
were just like out of control. I bought a carousel horse.
What do you want from me? Dollars? How could I not?

(42:26):
It was a steel Yeah? Yeah, Amanda, So can you
tell us a little bit about your history with One
Tree Hill and which is I would love to know
when you started watching and um yeah, just tell me more, okay, yes,
So um, I was a part of the Netflix generation

(42:47):
of um One Tree Hill fandom. Ye. I watched for
the first time my sophomore year of college, so in
and became obsessed immediately. So it was um. We quickly
became like a comfort show, and so I rewatched it
right after graduation when I moved to Dallas for my
first big girl job. It was my go to show

(43:09):
and then the same thing that just when everything happened.
And then it's also been a really big bridge for
my sister and I. So he is eight years younger
than me, and it was the first show where you
we ever got to like talk about it, like she
had very strong oppea. You know, when you're eight years apart,
I think when you're growing up, it feels like I

(43:29):
gotta be your mom, but really in reality that's not
true at all, but it's like, um, you have to
be the grown up. Yeah. Yeah, that was our relationship
until we started talking about the show. And it was
right at a peak time where like middle school and
right before she started high school, and so she's talking
about boys and like just messy things that are happening.

(43:49):
So that's kind of like our bridge. And then when
Drama Queens came out, we both were like, we have this,
Like this is that we have good and so that's
that's what we've been doing. And it's so funny because
she's like for both of us listening to y'all is
like being also at the big kids tables always also
like y'all are like our big sisters too. Oh did

(44:14):
you hear that a piece of advice? You should probably
use that And I'm like, so we kind of go
back and forth on that, but yes, so it's it's
just kind of come full circle and we've had really
good conversations. I think what y'all are doing is so
amazing and how you're doing it because there are a
lot of different podcasts and things out there, but I
think you are very honest and it's transparent because we've

(44:36):
had conversations even uh, I think you can. You can.
You'll talk a lot about duality and how two things
can meet. True you can love something and still critique it,
because we had that same conversation about One Tree Hills, like, Okay,
we love this show, right, but I watched from a
different lens and what it was, girl, I understand what

(44:59):
you do. It's like, oh my god, at least they
think the same thing that I did. And even like
I think we you can love the show and still
critique it in the way of like, is it okay
to love a show that you don't necessarily see yourself representative.
I think we talked about that. Y'all have talked about
that too. I'm saying where it's like, I think diversity

(45:23):
and inclusion was different. You can probably count on your
fingers how many Black women are presented in Once You Heal,
especially with lines. But I still love this show, and
is that okay? Like you know what I mean. So
we've we've had conversations like that, and so with y'all
critiquing it and seeing it, and that gave me permission
to be like, Okay, I still love this show and
I can still say how I feel but still be

(45:45):
a part of a fandom. You know, human, our hearts
all believe for a lot of the same stuff. You know,
I know, no matter what background do you come from,
the story resonates the stories of teenage love and can
fusion about you know, your family and struggling through friendships.
These are all very real, raw things for anyone um

(46:11):
in our in our age bracket, I mean, for anyone
in high school like going through that stuff. I'm just
so your sister's strong opinions are I need to get okay, okay,
because because we're you know, and so you're talking about
Lens I'm dying to know what an eighteen year old

(46:33):
critique of the show is, Like, this is exciting for me. Okay,
so her, you can kill me. So her, the biggest
thing has always been we want to Haley to stay
on tour. A little longer realized she has to go.
She has to follow her dreams where we're talking about,

(46:53):
and she was like, yes, of course, Like their conversation
should have been different and she should have taught him
not come. But she's an She's going be an icon. Like,
So that was our conversation because and I think maybe
it's just because we are we pride ourselves and like
I just want to go after it, like you know,
like that's how we are. That was how we were
seeing and she's so talented. That was probably our strongest takeaway.

(47:17):
And um so yeah, so that those are her big, big,
huge opinion. She's always been team the Sisterhood, so I think, oh,
is it sister Yes. So it's like in season five,
she just like we needed to see we needed to
see Brooke and um in Peyton come when Nanny Carey

(47:38):
was tripping, Like why didn't they they would have been there?
So yeah, right, we've already proven we can fight like
we have so many times throughout after her Davis will
slap somebody she should have slapped Nanny Carey. So yeah,

(47:58):
so we because we to binge it all. I couldn't
imagine if I was waiting week to week, I would
have been freaking out. So it's a different time, babe.
You had to like wait and then we'd have our
mid season breaks and you'd have to wait like three months,
like it was crazy. That's what makes the bad episode
so much worse is that you know people Saturay and

(48:20):
the whole week and then they like sat up in
front of their TV with their popcorn or their dinner
and it gets on click, and then they had to
suffer through an hour of terrible writing if it was
a bad episode. Yes, And even when you were talking
about like those cliffhangers, I think I think it. I
don't remember who it was when y'all called Diana Iceberg
like from Tana you know? Yes? So do you have

(48:47):
a favorite episode of Drama Queens or of One Tree? Hi? Okay, um,
my favorite episode? So I don't know. People ask us
that question all the time, and I'm like, is just
how do you just pick so I am. I'm actually

(49:09):
a I'm a huge fan of season three and six.
Those are my favorite. Three is great. Three is so good,
except for episode we watched. Oh my god, did you
watch episode eleven yet because it's grim? Yeah I did, Yeah,
we know, Amanda, we just watched it and we were like,

(49:31):
what how is twelve better? So just get to thirteen
hanging there and we you we love it at thirteen great, good, perfect,
That's what I'm saying about. That's that's where everything is

(49:52):
safe again. That's going to be the title of that episode,
by the way. That's what we'll do where everything everything
is safe. Everything say said, so please you'll you'll be
We'll be good. We'll get back the ball. The ball
gets rolling again. And that's what That's what I love
about yours podcast, though, is like you can say it

(50:12):
and I know, I know. It just looks different all
the time. So kudos to you again. You'll handle things.
Is such a good grace because I wanted to get
in come. It's like, wait a minute, hanging they have
the opportunity to say if they don't like it, it's okay, guys,
but it is always combative with something better coming down.

(50:34):
The line, so yeah, just hanging there, Thank you, thank you.
If you had to do a tour of Wilmington's with
one character from the show, who would you know? And

(50:58):
you're being here used to think, we're not going to
put you on the spot, none of us. Someone other
than us there give you. If you had to go
out with someone other than the drama queens, who would
you cruise around? In the comment like is that also?
In the comment? Okay, yes, let this for me. I

(51:26):
want to steal that one so hard. I don't know.
So I'm torn between Lee Norris or Oh a day
with more more Rack Kelly would be iconic, though Okay
I can't. I can't thick Well, can I pick those two?

(51:48):
I can both? In the comment start your day with
Moira Kelly, have a fabulous brunch walk and then you
hit those bars with Lee Norris. You have never lived
until you have danced with Leonora's. It's really true. Let

(52:09):
me tell you something. He got on the dance floor
at my wedding and it was his wedding. People were like,
oh my god, Leonor's. I was like, I know, everyone
just put your bodies around his body. It was It
was iconic. Please tell me, y'all did the Yang Twins?
Please did? Okay? So here's what I need you to

(52:32):
know is Leon Norris and I actually have two songs
and three six nine is our first song. But Lee's
favorite song in the world is I Want to Dance
with Somebody by Whitney. He's telling and I was so
excited when that song came on and he looked at
me and I just went, I did this for you,

(52:52):
and we ran towards each other on the dance floor.
And what almost nobody knows is that since the iPhone
came out when we were I don't know, twenty three
or twenty four, so this is like over fifteen years now. Um,
any time either Lee or I is in a place
where that song comes on, we send each other a

(53:12):
video of one of us singing it. So like in
our in our text thread, we just have like years
of being like, nobody can sing to Winney Houston. By
the way, so these videos are horrible and they can
never see the light of day. But we shouldn't hile those, Sophia,
this sounds truly. I will. I will protect our secrets

(53:33):
to the day I die. But um, I will say
that as we're telling the story. I must concur with Hillary.
You have to enture tour with Lee Norris. It's just
it's a fact. If you can hit a karaoke spot
in Felming, like your late night options are yep, karaoke
spot right either at Level five or Yosaki or there's

(53:55):
some other places that are doing it now, Level five five.
If they have a comedy show, go see it. Yeah,
go see a play at Balien Hall too, by the way, gorgeous. Yeah,
they might have a good show on now. I don't
know what the plan, but I also would be negligent
if I did not tell you to go on a

(54:16):
ghost tour because listen, I spoke to my old neighbor,
uh George. His name was George, and we spoke recently
on the phone and I was like, oh my god,
what's going on? How's the neighborhood? And he's like, we
got these tours coming by your house all the time.
Because I lived in a haunted house downtown and the tours.

(54:39):
I think my house might be on the ghost tour now,
which should be talked enough about. You have the ghost
tour is a weird way to spend the night. And
if you're taking your eighteen year old sister and you
can't take her into bars. That's like a great option
that you guys can just get a great lay of
the land in Wilmington and you can see all of

(55:00):
these like old houses close up, all the like monuments
close up. They'll show you where some of the other
cool stuff that filmed in town is. There's the Carolina
Apartments where they film Blue Velvet Um. There's the on
the corner from where I lived is where Outcast filmed
Idle while and I just got to sit across the

(55:22):
street while Big Boy and I drink and across the
street and I was ard um. So yeah, go on
these walking doors. They're very cool. Make sure you ask
them to take you by the old haunted dentist's house.
That sounds it's truly like it's the darkest, wildest story.

(55:44):
But whoever's leading the ghost tour will be like, oh,
she knows what's up that that's the way to get
some points. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do too.
Go play ski ball in Blue Post. You have to post.
Oh if you go to Blue Post, will you please
let us know if our little placards from completing the

(56:04):
beer list around the When you're done with all this,
we want to we want to see photos. Yes, we
need to take over our Instagram while you're there. We
that's a great idea. Hillary should cry, Oh my god. Okay,
so you're gonna create content that is going to be

(56:26):
our Instagram during take over drama quis gonna be exciting
if it's if it's not too much pressure. We want
you to enjoy your trip, so you know, yeah, I mean,
you don't have to, like work, but you could. You
could just take us along. Yeah, we want to see
what you're seeing and make sure you go and visit
our friend Jesse at Edge of Urge. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(56:46):
she made a lot of our clothes back then, and
yeah it still does a lot of cool stuff from
Haley's bra the first time Haley and Nathan uh spend then, okay,
joy you with is the name of the hall so
we can go see plays? What did you say? Yeah?

(57:08):
T h A l I A Nien Hall. It's okay.
Diligent notes here. Yeah, you're gonna have to ride drama.
Queen's guide to will Me to North Carolina's right, So listen,
do you have any questions for us before we you know,

(57:29):
let you go on your adventure. But I'm sorry, you
know I do have a couple yes, hold on, sorry
the notes at wait, what do you do for a living?
I love how organized you are. I know we'll not
saying the mess when bra asked, way more time doing
this than working today, So that's but I actually work

(57:53):
for Microsoft currently in the trade on one of their
account managers, so I work with their health and life sciences,
different with hospitals and stuff. You're grown up, You're organized, amazing. No,
it's all written. No, but I think that perfectly like

(58:13):
kind of goes into our My first question, I guess.
So I'm turning six, and I would what I always
say about the podcast is nobody really gives you permission
anymore to be messy. I think with our our generation,
because we have social media and we have all of
these things, we um, we're told to be a lot

(58:35):
more careful, I guess than other generations before us, just
because it can be documented and anybody can see it
and can follow you forever. And so I guess one
of the things that I love about once you're healing,
one of the things I always see is one of
the biggest takeaways is the talks about forgiveness and the
art of forgiveness and how that's kind of we're woven

(58:57):
into right now. You're nager and you're messy, and you're
in your early twenties and you're messy. Have y'all noticed
any similar things so far? Of like that forgiveness that
heroes journey, that rekindling of different pieces like what has
been your biggest being takeaway just up into the season
three to show around, oh the show of what you're

(59:17):
talking about. Mm hmmm. It is a theme that runs through.
I mean, Nathan and Haley have to find forgiveness for
each other and and being and hurting each other and
being messy. But that's really what forgiveness is for. It's
not because, I mean, in my opinion, it's not for
like because you're expected to be perfect. It's because you

(59:40):
can't be perfect, and you are going to hurt someone
in the process of living your life and just trying
to figure out all of the important foundational questions of
life that we all as humans inevitably ask ourselves and
each other. You're going to hurt yourself and hurt each other,
and so that's what forgiveness is for and so it's

(01:00:03):
good to put it into practice. Um. And so yeah,
I mean I see that a lot with Nathan and Haley,
which is a great Their marriage is a great example
of that because in marriage you you are messy and
you are going to hurt each other, and so you
have to be able to learn how to have that
forgiveness in that context. So that's what I mean. I
guess that's been mine. But also because I was close

(01:00:24):
to that storyline, you know, being in it, and all
I shoulder that bear, I think, Um, for me watching
the show back, the forgiveness is the forgiveness of oneself.
You know, Payton beats herself up about everything, and I

(01:00:46):
personally beat myself up about everything. And this idea that well,
when I'm older, I won't do that anymore. When I'm older,
I won't make mistakes anymore. When I'm older, I'll know better.
He's bush. It's total bulls because what we've figured out
is that in our brains, we're all seventeen years old forever.
It doesn't matter if you're You're seventeen in your brain forever.

(01:01:10):
So the quicker you can learn to forgive the kid
in you, the young adult and you the parent in you.
That's the phase we're in right now, the partner in you. Um,
you will be better at all of those things because
you won't be doing that internal you know, turmoil, the

(01:01:31):
internal forgiveness. Just be nice to the little kid in you.
That's the thing. You're always talking to the little kid. Yeah, yeah,
I like that a lot. I think watching this so far,
one of the things that I find really interesting about

(01:01:51):
Brooks journey is similarly to what you're saying, Hilary. She
has to learn to be nicer to herself. She to
learn to believe in herself and realize that she's worthy,
to be able to forgive people, and to be able
to set healthy boundaries for herself, because when she doesn't

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carry herself in worth, people treat her poorly. And the
more she steps into her own power, the more she's
able to be vulnerable, to admit how she feels, and
to grow. And I think that that was certainly my
journey through my twenties. I mean, it's still a journey now.

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But then I was so nervous to make a mistake
that I was too scared to ever ask for help,
that I just walked around feeling so terrified all the
time and being sure that I was the screw up.
And it wasn't until I was like, hold on, all
these people who I love that are awesome tell me

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I'm awesome, and I know I'm telling the truth that
they're awesome, and I don't think they're liars, which must
mean when they say I'm awesome, I am awesome. You're awesome,
And like, it took me a while to be like,
I'm cool. I'm not perfect, but like I'm a pretty
nice person, and life got easier after that. So I

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do really wish, you know, like you said, Amanda, I
wish that people would teach us to be a little
gentler with ourselves and to to feel okay admitting how
we feel or what we're nervous about or what we
might need help with. Because the more we can be
an honest and supportive community, the better our lives are.

(01:03:40):
I mean, that's that's why we do this show. We're
just like, we just want to be together all the time.
How do we do that? I love it? You guys,
are you know what? That's so true that forgiving of
yourself that's one of the hardest things to do and
it's extra hard to when you you are carrying. It's
hard to forgive yourself if you don't know how to

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forgive other people to which is I think kind of
what you're saying. Hell, that's like you're so hard on
yourself and Peyton beats herself up. And but then we
carry that in that expectation of well, if if I
can handle A, B and C, then other people should
be able to too, And then it's harder to forgive
other people. I mean, I just you know, speaking of
the topic of forgiveness, I just saw play Um a

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couple of weeks ago, based on the Hiding Place. Did
you guys ever read that story about Carryton Boom. She
was a Polish girl in Um the nineties and her
family was hiding Jews in their home and uh, one
of the soldiers her father was a watchmaker, and one
of the soldiers came to work before he was sorry,

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this is kind of backwards. Before he was a soldier,
he was a german Man and her father was very like,
I don't discriminate against against anyone. Do German, whoever you are.
If you want to work for me, you can work
for me. So this Jewish sorry, this German man comes
in works for them as an apprentice. He's very um,
unlikable the whole time, Leaves, becomes a Nazi soldier, gives

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their family away. They all go off to concentration camps.
And her sister, who she's very very very close with
and is like the joy in the light. And Corey
is the one who's like, I hate there's maball and
her sister is the one who's just like, it's okay,
just God wants us to love everyone. Let's just share
love and be love and forgive. And you know, they
don't know, and um, sorry, they're telling me to speed it,

(01:05:26):
speed it up. I'm speeding. I'm sorry. But it's beautiful.
It's this amazing, mind blowing story because in the end,
it's all it's all over. The war is over, um,
and they're all just living in the aftermath and this
and Corey's sister has died in the concentration camp and
so she's carrying all this anger. And as she uh

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is walking through a train station one day, she runs
into this former soldier who sent her to the camp
and who was the cause the story, and he was
the cause of her sister. Your's death, and he stops
her and he says, I know, I know what I did.

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I I'm so sorry. I've had an awakening in life.
And um, I don't know any other way to apologize
except to say that I'm so sorry and can you
ever forgive me? And there's this beautiful moment she just
stands at him and stares at him, and finally um
embraces him, and that's it. And then just it's like

(01:06:31):
that's it. We're walking away and we're done, and this
moment like and there's a quote in the play that's
forgiveness is scandalous. It's not something that's easily given. And
that's why it's so meaningful, because it's not something that
you can just right off and be like, yeah, I
forgive you, it's easy. It's it's outrageous, it's scandalous. Could you?

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But you know, like in this recognition that we're all human,
we're all susceptible of all different kinds of things, we're
all capable of all kinds of things put in the
right scenario or the wrong scenario, the right conditioning or
the wrong conditioning, and so um, anyway that that level
of forgiveness and humanity is a theme that I love,
and I'm so happy that you brought up. Sorry, I

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didn't mean to go so far off the rail thinking
about like forgiving yourself for the things that you do,
and like when we forgive other people, how much more
that opens up for us to be able to forgive ourselves.
So alright, so you can kiss your best friend's boyfriend
twice and then she can be the best I can
always count out. Remember a segue, Hillary, thank you bess.

(01:07:38):
If you're going to be a awful person, it's got
to come full circle and you've got to be There
is no there is no better breaker for levity than
than our sister Hillary. Truly, it's like it's such about
I'm amazed by you. Oh my gosh. Sorry, man, do
you have any other questions? I'm sorry, I am no.

(01:07:59):
That's actually perfect. I know. I think y'all have talked
about this before because it all kind of like leaves
together in this really weird way. But I think y'all
drama Queens has been such a big part of Like
another theme is like that rekindling within sisterhood and within
friendships and things like that, and so to your to

(01:08:19):
the points that all of you made and forgiving yourself
and forgiving yourself your sister, and giving your significant other.
I think a lot of times you hear the stories
of like, oh sticks stick by your man, Like a
lot of people say things like that, but sometimes we
throw our friendships away. So I know y'all have talked
a lot about kind of how y'all swam that together.
What kind of advice would you give for young women

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are like girls and women who are looking to reveald
lost friendships or like they lost kind of that connection
and similar to how you all did, Like we were
away for a minute, but back stronger than ever. What
did that first step look like? Yeah, honestly, you can't
dictate who your friend will grow into. Okay, because let's

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say your friends from high school, you know, you meet
when you're fifteen years old. You have no control over
the person your friend is going to be, you know, um,
And so it is loving the growth in your people
is really important because we all started off You look
at Sophia, Joy and I were all essentially the same person.

(01:09:27):
We all grew up really really fast. We're all pretty
a d D. You know, we're all like spinning plates
and hyper in a very similar way. And so we
all started off at the beginning of season one level
playing field, and then because of all the variables that
were thrown at us, we all kind of found different paths.

(01:09:50):
Some of us hung out more with the crew, sung up,
some of us isolated ourselves more, some of us hung
out more with the cast, you know, and we picked
different paths. And it's choosing to appreciate that in your friendships.
Appreciate the differences, Appreciate the growth as opposed to being

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threatened by it or being like, no, we were supposed
to be on this road together. You know you're not
doing it right. Um. Appreciate those turns because eventually your
paths will meet up again, and then you'll have great
stories to tell each other and they'll be able to
take you over onto their path, you know, which is exciting.
It's been fun to like travel the roads that you

(01:10:33):
guys talk because I took a very different road. Yeah.
I think it's also really important, you know that idea
to to use your road metaphor. You can't assume how
someone ends up on a road. It took us until
we'd had some distance to say I was actually really scared,

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So like I'd go over there and then you know,
two of us to go, wait, what you were like?
I always thought you were so tough. You have to
realize that feelings aren't facts, and that very often the
stories that we tell ourselves aren't true. They're based on
the limited information that we have. And the the advice

(01:11:18):
that I would give to any group of friends is
remember you're all on the same team, and if something
gets weird like this is the moral of my marriage,
this is the moral of my friendships. If something gets
energetically weird, it's me and you against the problem. It
is never me and you against each other. And that's

(01:11:38):
something we all had to learn. We did not have
adults modeling that for us. And it's part of the
reason that it feels really important for us to talk
to you all about all of our experiences and how
we grew and what therapy worked, and what weird outward
bound work like whatever we did. You know, get your
girls on a zip line man problem that honestly, yes,

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But but truthfully, you know, you've got to be able
to come in and say I feel this and be
honest enough to say I don't know if this is
really happening. I don't know if you're mad at me.
I don't know if I'm being left out. I don't
know if you know I did something to hurt you.
But I feel weird. Will you tell me if I'm

(01:12:27):
nuts or if I'm tapped into something? Is there something
we need to talk about? And it could be any
version of that, but I think it takes a courage
to talk to your people and to just say, oh, man,
like this is my stuff. I did that with Hillary
last week. We were laughing about something and I said, dude,

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I still have twenty two year old me brain where
sometimes my brain says like X, Y and Z to
me and she was like, you're insane. I was like,
I know, but the kid and what you're but you
have to be able to just do it together. Sorry. No,
The key to what you're saying and to your question
Amanda about the first steps is humility? Really is the

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is that's the first step. You have to be humble
enough to be vulnerable and to ask and to say
the thing. You have to be willing to just Okay,
I'm no better than nobody else. I'm you know, Sorry
that was a bad sentence, but you know what I mean.
She's no better than nobody else. I know better than
nobody else to right, listen, I would love for our

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podcast to help female friendships if that is part of
what we're building off. And you know, it's interesting, Like
Amanda you said it, there's a lot of There is
a lot of messaging right about like do the work
in your relationship. But let me tell you what the
longest relationships of any of our lives. Any of the

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women you're looking at right now are each other? Oh
my god, like you all are the you are some
of the longest relationships of my life. Yeah, it's why
I got like all blubbery looking at my three girlfriends
from middle school and the two and the two of
you and Daniel at my wedding in the back of
the bus. It was like we were and Sophia's wedding.

(01:14:23):
It was like her childhood friends and then us and
we were all the bad kids in the back of
the bus and it was amazing. But truthfully, I was
like weeping because I was like these these people, like
this is where I learned how to love. And you know,
I'm excited for what the future holds. But to be clear,
I will never be married to my husband. For as
long as I've been in a relationship with Hilary Burden

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and Bethany's your life, it's mathematically impossible. And so I
think we need to have cultural messaging about like don't
forget who who got you here? You know, like stick
with your girls. Yeah right, because you're an honorary drama

(01:15:14):
queen Amanda, would you like to spin a wheel and
do most likely to? It would be an honor truly. Yeah,
all right, all right, now you get to see behind
the curtain. This is what its. You just have to
make a sound effect right now? What most likely to go? Ahead?

(01:15:39):
Not have one social media account? Oh so not beyond
any social media. So we have to pick a character
and also a real life cast member. Keith to Scott Amanda.
Do you agree? I agree that? All right? I feel

(01:15:59):
like real I feel like somebody's probably said, like, Keith,
you've got to get the body shop on Instagram, and
he's like, I don't know what that istok? Is he
still using like the Nokia flip phone that we have
in all the like a star attack. They'll totally be
an episode. By the way, if we were doing this
show now and Keith is still alive. It would be

(01:16:21):
like a whole episode of him trying to figure out
how to do a TikTok. I love it. Wait, I mean,
is there anyone from our show that's not on social
media that you want us to pass her? Who's not on?
Who's not? Are we all just attention? Worse? Is is Moira?

(01:16:42):
I don't think it, guys, you nailed it, so she's not.
Don't think she is no, which I think when we
talked to her because there was no way to find her. Yeah,
we haven't been keeping up, and now I think it's her.
I love it. Okay, Well, when you figure out when

(01:17:04):
you're going to Wilmington, let us know because our entire
drama Queen's family is going to be rabid for pictures
and information and dates. You just go down there and
you throw our names around. Every time you get a reservation,
you're like, wow, Sophia, Joy and Hillary told me st
here to give me your best table done? You got

(01:17:27):
next week? Oh yeah, what episode are we doing next week? Guys?
It's not good, but you might know more. It's episode
three twelve. She said, you just got to make it. Oh,
I have it. I have it. The next episode Season three,
episode twelve is I've got dreams to remember, and perhaps
it's an episode we will all want to forget that

(01:17:51):
we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Maybe you love it,
you love it, I don't know. After a level in
I desperately hope to love it because today was painful,
but you really turned it around for us. Thank you
for coming joy, Thank you all so much. Truly, I
love your podcast. I love y'all. I think you're incredible.

(01:18:13):
So thanks. What's your sister's name? Thank you? Arianna, Okay, Arianna, Brianna,
look at your kid. You guys have such a good trip,
and we'll see all the rest of you next week.
Thank you so much. Have a good one. Hey, thanks
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