Justice League of Dads • EP 910

This week it’s all about the hero dads of Tree Hill. Dan Scott steps into full action-hero mode to save Nathan, but not without the help of the unlikely “Avengers” team-up we never saw coming. The Queens also dig into why Brooke’s storyline left them frustrated, and Sophia sadly reckons with the truths of dealing with a stalker onscreen l versus off.

Has Dan Scott ever looked so hot?!? And of course, there’s an emotional twist that reminds us why these fatherhood arcs hit so hard.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
All about that high school drama. Girl drama, girl, all about.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Them high school queens.

Speaker 4 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
sharing for the right teams.

Speaker 5 (00:12):
Drama Queens, my girl girl fashion, but your tough girl, you.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Could sit with us.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Girl drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens drama, Queens.

Speaker 6 (00:28):
Guys, did we just become an action movie?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We did?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
My stomach was enoughts this whole episode?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We really did you not remember?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Fun I did not? Yeah, well Rob you, oh yeah,
because well you were in it, but you were watching
any of these so we none of us have seen
these since? No oh? I mean this episode was the
our men are movie Stars episode?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes for sure?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, every in every way, like Rob you sitting by
Sarah's grave, Oh my god, in that suit. It was
such old movie star vibes. I was dying. It was
also good. Wait, somebody read the synopsis.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, hold on before we dive in
season nine episode Hardcore Will Never Die, But You will.
That deserves a dundun air date March fourteenth, twenty twelve.
This is so crazy that these episodes were airing after
we'd all left Wilmington.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
By the way, whoa oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Okay, okay, sorry. Back to the synopsis. Dan Julian and
Chris Keller attempt to rescue Nathan Brooks. Conflict with Xavier escalates,
Quinn and Clay revisit the past. This was so wild,
total bridle on a shark. But I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I loved it. I loved every second, even the seconds
that I hated, like all this stuff with Brooke that
was so hard to wash. But I just was so
proud of us and how we wait, we got through
all of it. I mean, we'll hit every point, but wow, wow, wow, wow,
what a.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Great To your point though about all of that, I
know now one moment that shocked you near the end
because you didn't remember what was happening. There was a
beat that we'll get to, but you'll know where. I
was like, oh my god, I would kill to be
seeing this as an audience member who doesn't know that's
a bait and switch, because I thought about the feeling

(02:30):
of like no, and just every single bit of the episode,
to your point, was done so well, from.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Action movie to like rom com leading man.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Rob, I had the same vibe for you at Sarah's grave,
and I.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Just the whole time was like, God, this is great.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Every single one of these people is great. All these
directing choices are great. It was so much fun to
watch this episode and be surprised by some things and
wish that I was seeing.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
It for the first time and other my.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Brain, what's happened to me? Because I remember a moment
where I audibly gasped I was not expected, but I
can't remember what it was now.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's when you think Nathan gets shot, and then it's Dimitri,
oh yeah in the chair, thinking like, oh my god,
they just killed him like as revenge, and I literally
was like God, that must have been so fun for
the audience to watch a.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thing it was.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
Then, yeah, I loved that. The whole episode was great. Right, However,
the logic police broke down the door for me on
that one because I was I found myself going we
watched Dan walk in by himself, and then we watched
Dan walk in holding nothing but a gun, and I'm like,

(03:44):
so I loved the idea, but then and then you
could tell they tried to do the band aid fix
of Dan going yeah, I carried that drug dealer, and
ally myself, I'm like, so we just did to catch
the moments you set him down, and then like, yeah,
that was the one part where I'm like, come on, did.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
A couple extra shots to explain that? Yes, just a
few Yes, even if Chris Keller had been in charge
of him, I would have believed that. That's all I
really needed, was like Chris dragging this guy around.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Okay, let's let's rewind and go back to the start
of the episode. We're going to get to that spot.
But the opening with Danny and Julian having a conversation
over a body in the trunk. This I didn't know
that Dan, Julian and Chris Keller was the high jinks
action movie. Yes, that I desperately needed.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yes, I wanted, I want, I want more of those three.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Oh my gosh, the the the alchemy between the three
of them, it's just it's like comedic umamiye. They they
work off each other so well. Yeah, and some of
the dialogue was just like at one point Chris goes,
Chris Keller's too pretty to go to prison, and Julian goes,
That's what I said, refining himself obviously, and Chris Keller

(04:57):
in Earnest Goes. You said, Chris Keller was pretty brilliant.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So fun, man, all of it was so fun.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
And watching the volley between Dan and Julian, all of
it is great. Julian's like, you said, it was nothing illegal.
That's a dead guy, and he's like, well, Dan, he's
not dead. It's like, yeah, okay, because kidnapping's less illegal.
And you watch this banter and they're having this amazing
two hander and Chris popping up as the surprise and

(05:29):
then repeating things Julian said, like just absolute comedic gold.
They built it in a way, it's like they built
a pyramid. It was so well done, and to your point,
all I wanted was more of it. I was like, God,
we only have a few more episodes, and obviously they're
going to rescue Nathan in this one, which yay for Nathan.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
And Haley, but I want more Dan, Julian and Chris.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
They should have started that two episodes ago, exactly. I
needed all of that's that's hard to do. By the way,
what they were all doing, well, let me start by
saying I was grateful that when we opened on all
that stuff, the way that the cameras were positioned and
the types of the types of shots. At least we
were kind of making fun of ourselves for how ridiculous

(06:16):
it's all gotten. I felt like just the sheer positioning
of the cameras was like, what on no, Like, here
we are, We're doing our show and it was fun.
But what's so hard, I think as an actor is
to is to play really heightened dramatic stuff like that
in comedy, like it's realistic, which makes it funny if

(06:36):
you really just stay as dropped in as possible and
be like I would be reacting this way to such
extraordinary circumstances, but to also then switch into some really dramatic,
vulnerable moments that they had with each other, even in
the middle of some of these comedy lines, Like there
was a moment when Tyler is talking to Paul, sorry,

(06:58):
Chris is talking to Dan, and Chris sort of loses
all his pretense. I can't remember what were they saying.
I should have written this down, but he was he
was talking to Dan about do you guys remember this?
It was sort of like a cowboy shot on Tyler,
and it was he was going in on Dan about
something and Dan turns around and gives it back to him.

(07:19):
You don't know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Was this?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Was this when they were talking about Dan goes after
what Dan goes after Chris saying you've got a crush
on Haley. You want Nathan to stay gone? And then
Chris gives it back and he's like, no, you do
because you're going to lose your family, your grandkids.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Like yeah, it's like very real stuff that they're talking about.
This is not just like Shenanigans. They're really going after
each other. Yeah, it's that's hard to do. It felt great.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Can we really quick? I have a question for you, Droy,
because I don't. Can you explain to me how the
use of the camera sort of had us like poking
fun at ourselves?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Okay, it was It was bright colors. For first of all,
it felt like there was a lot of light in
the room and the collars were really bright, which is
a contrast to a lot of the dark, seedy, like
we're trying to be realistic about this kidnapping stuff. So
that was what I noticed first. And then there's this
almost like a fish eye lens on one of the cameras.
Where the way that they're leaning in it just felt

(08:18):
like a comedy. Those are shots that you see in
The Hangover. Yeah, and it's like if you.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Think The Usual Suspects or any kind of uh, who
Done it? Or mob movie where they're shooting up through
the trunk of the car, usually people are leaning in close,
but it's not also a fish eye, and I thought
it was the fish eye shot up at Dan and
Julian through the trunk of the car makes it a

(08:47):
little funny because it's an exaggerated lens. And then even
when they did the thing like it made they looked
so great and hot and leading man. But even when
they did the thing where they reached in for Dimitri
like this and all the hands came in from the side,
it was funny and I was like, Wow, they're really

(09:09):
nailing the balance of the action and the comedy. It's
a little like City Slickers.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, and Nathan's kidnapper, the Shakespeare guy. They did the
same shot on him, so he's leaning in and he's
doing it was like, what was that movie with Josh
Hartnett Seven's.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Oh Lucky number sleven sleven?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, Lucky number seven, Like there was some vibes about
that that I noticed. Yeah, so hopefully that answers your question.
There's like a comedy in the camera, yes, and.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
One small beef with that first scene with the kidnapper
is so, you're gonna tell me this gangster, who is
clearly very well read because he's reciting Shakespeare left and right,
he doesn't know one of the most popular expressions in
the world of say cheese. He says, say the cheese.

(09:59):
It's like they made him, You've made this guy so
well read, and then he doesn't know say cheese.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Cheez.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
It's a very minor gripe. But I bumped for a moment,
was like, come.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
On, and that's really funny.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
You know what's interesting, And you're right. It's when you're
really paying attention, as obviously we do because we're analyzing
this show together, those.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Things stand out.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
And one of the things I've been loving about this,
I think, because we are having so much fun with
season nine, is the stuff that I'm like, God, I
like that they did that. You know, some of it's
patently ridiculous, but I loved how when they're having this
whole experience together Dan and Julian and Chris, I want again,
I want the whole movie. I really liked that they

(10:47):
had Julian kind of do a figurative like shake Dan
by the shoulders and be like.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Do you understand how real this is?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
The guns and the kidnapping, and like he's really trying
to say the thing that no one ever says in
an action movie, which is like this is insane and
this is not how the real world works.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And in a weird way, the.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Having, you know, the dad of two young kids try
to stop everyone and talk some logical sense into them
heightened my experience of it in a way that I
don't know, maybe I wouldn't have felt because I'm so
used to seeing action movies. We all are there was
something great about it. And then even Chris later they

(11:34):
kind of they call back to it when Dan and
Chris are in the car and they've locked Julian out
and Chris is like, I could have kids, I've had
all kinds of crazy sex, man, like I gotta go,
and it just it was all of it was like
perfectly done for who.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Each of these men is.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Yes, and in that very scene, explain this to me
because I was I think I got I tripped on
the geography of where that scene was taking place, so
they were they actually at the warehouse where Nathan was
being held, but just like the other side.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Of it, that's what it seemed like, because.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
That's where I was confused, Like if you're going to
exclude him, I mean, first of all, just tell him
you're going to pick him up at his house and
at least give him the courtesy of being stood up
at his own home. But I was confused that, like,
if you are doing the right thing, which is this
guy has two young kids, I'm not going to let
him be a part of it. It felt weird that, like, well,
then why are you still driving him to the scene

(12:30):
and leaving him with nothing? But why are cutters?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
So I think I can answer that, And the way
I interpreted it is that great speech that he gives
to Dan when Dan's like, what is this about you
leaving your kids in the car? Is that still what's
going on? And Julian says no, and he said a
lot of words, but essentially what he was saying is
it's about knowing that someone will stand up for you.

(12:55):
I'm going to be that kind of a person, that
kind of a friend. I'm I'm going to go stand
up for my friend and help them no matter what.
So I feel like and Dan is also playing emotional
mentor to these guys during this whole process in some
bizarre way. He's sort of like allowing them in on

(13:18):
his mission, but kind of knowing that they both need
some kind of boost in their emotional lives that this
is going to help them with in some way. So
that's kind of how I wrapped it up in my brain, like, Okay,
he's going to let him come along.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
For that that I get. I completely understand, like letting
me be a part of it, but then excluding him.
My question just was I didn't understand the literal geography,
Like there was a guy who appeared to be a lookout,
there was a fence. So my confusion is if he's
excluding him, didn't he still drive him to the warehouse
where it was all about to go down.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Right, So he's like, just go just run get out
of here, And he's like, Okay, where in tree hill
am I that I can? Just Like what road am
I about to get on and walk down and like
call an uber outside of this warehouse? Like what am
I supposed to do? Is that what you're thinking.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Rob like, yeah, I just kind of it felt like
I understand the move you're making. It's sort of like noble,
but you you introduced a wild amount of risk that
you didn't need to because you left him in front
of this warehouse where bad people are right alone.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, Like I thought for sure when he was crouching
down on the phone with you, so.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
He was going to get caught. Yeah, I thought for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
One of the gids coming out of the bushes.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well what helped me with that?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
And I wish they'd done a shot over his shoulder
to reinforce it. But because I had gotten up to
grab something and sat back down, and I was like,
wait a second, this feels ridiculous. So I rewound and
rewatched from him running to cut the lock, which is
truly the only reason I think I tr to this.
He had to run from the car in the shadows

(15:03):
up to the gate and then run back so that
the you know, the chain would still be there, it
would look like it was locked, but the lock was cut.
Then they were going to go around the back. So
what I realized was Julian was already if you think
the gate to the warehouse where the guys were that's
at least a football field. He's he's probably another sixty

(15:25):
feet back at the car when they don't let him in,
and then he runs back in the opposite direction of
the warehouse into the bushes, so he is pretty far
from it. But what I thought was missing, because these
things are all happening so fast, I wish that we
had done a thing where when he crouched talking to Brook,

(15:45):
he checked over his shoulder and we'd racked so you
could see how far away everything was.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You could see like a drone shot would have been great.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, just something.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I mean, not that we had them then, but like
it would have been helpful. And then even to your
point Rob understanding, because Dan says it's going to take
a while to get back around to the front of
the warehouse, I'm like, I wish I could have just
And again it's like we're obviously shooting on some side
street by the airport in Wilmington, like who knows what

(16:16):
was available, But I wish we'd been able to sort
of see how they'd crept around and then like where's
the other gate and where's the thing. I just felt
like I didn't totally understand where we were in space.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Okay, Here's something else I didn't understand was the timeline
because it looked to me like they were in the
soundstage with Dimitri in the trunk or whoever that guy's
name is in the trunk at the same time you're
opening the cafe and then they come back to the

(17:06):
nighttime stuff and you're still cleaning up the cafe at night.
It like it took you all day.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
It took me twelve hours to do that. Yeah, also
by myself. Also listen, Haley's husband is missing, but we
do own that cafe together. Like if we'd been broken into,
you would have been my first call.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, yes, because maybe it's related.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well right, and.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Also whether it's about Nathan or it's about Xavier, why
would Brooke not call Haley? And why would Brooke not
call the police. That was a moment where I was like,
come on, yeah, give us a little and then she
just she finds the ex carved in to the bar
top and isn't like, clearly it's the guy whose name

(17:53):
starts at X who's threatened to kill me before, who's
done this, Like, well.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
She knew I think you did know? Was didn't you
you knew yes, but then I.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Called Julian to be like, I'm not gonna let him
scare me instead of calling the police, Like, who's doing that?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Why would you have called the police the second you
walked into the cafe and saw that. I mean, I
know they've been letting you down, but like, that's a maser,
that's a major crime.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And by the way, what I really did, sure, I'm
cleaning up our place of work. I cleaned up a
crime scene. Yeah, I disrupted all that evidence. Like, yeah,
that's the last thing you're.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Supposed to do.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
This episode was packed with so much good stuff, but
one thing it was missing was all of Brookes's survival
instincts and common sense.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
This is okay, actually so weird because when I saw
the way there was like a look that came over
your face at the bar, and I thought, oh, this
is gonna be fun. She's she's on the offense.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
It was home alone face. It was I'm going to
hatch a plan, like.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And I thought all the stuff with the electrical circuits
and all, like, I thought Brooke was on to something.
She was she was setting him up. So it really
was very confusing the turn.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
That it took and Okay, a quick question regarding the sequence.
Are we supposed to think that, you know, the sound
of like a mobile, like a mobile or like a
children's toy. Are we supposed to think that that Brooke
was actually hearing.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
That or was that I thought so he's.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Too And if that's the case, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's literally like when you watch the person go upstairs
in a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, watching.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
First of all, we've never seen Brooke Davis park in
that parking structure downtown.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Never. We had no idea what I was always.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Parked in front of the cafe always.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, couldn't they have just set that up? Like all
the parking spots were taken and they just had show.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Even if we'd started to see three episodes ago when
I'm talking shit to you about what a nightmare neighbor
Tara is at her cafe.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, like yeah, and now.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Her and all her employees come like maybe they were
taking all the parking spots first, like something.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yeah, I'm so sick of parking in this lot. It's
a half block away from the Yah.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, it's like they keep showing up and I came
at you know, seven am, and they were already here,
like what you know, imagine having the time to be
that petty like something where you go, okay, so we
can't even access our own place of work, and now
we have to go around the corner and like park
next to the movie theater or whatever. It would have helped,
it makes sense. And then a thing that really stuck

(20:33):
out stuck out to me. I obviously don't think I
was tracking it in real time when we were shooting,
but I was like, why is the entire first floor
of the parking structure empty? Because then it immediately makes
me ask why did she go to the third floor?
Like why would I put myself farther away from flat

(20:53):
ground which is a safety thing.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
So these are the kinds of questions I would ask
on set all the time.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, we don't time to get yelled at.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Yeah, we don't have time for that. Joy I'm like, yeah,
but it doesn't make sense. I just want everyone to
know it doesn't make sense. Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
And that's a great way to get the Oh, she
can be a handful, It's like, right, she can just
ask very obvious questions that the audience is going to
bump on.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, Interestingly, when you're a woman who is intelligent and
you say anything out loud, people say she's kind of difficult,
and you're like, am I am? I just pointing out
a hole in your story, sir.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Okay, calm down, Sophia, you sound hysterical.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Thank you. You know what you're wating. I should really
I should rein it in. I should rein it in too.
I'm too emotional.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
I just I just didn't like that we took a
character who is intelligent and has very good like social
awareness and I think survival and things. When you've been
through stuff like that, I think you are very vigilant,
hyper vigilant. Yes, And so, first of all, Xavier was
holding the child in the previous episode at the end
of it. Yet the way he wants to leave a

(21:59):
calling car is by engraving an X in the counter. Okay,
you held their child the night before. To me, that's
the bigger flex. I don't know why, whatever, that doesn't matter. Yeah,
the fact that, like it couldn't be any more deliberate
that this guy is letting you know that you are
in grave danger and he is obviously crazy because he's
doing stuff that is incriminating himself left and right right. Yes,

(22:19):
the fact that a you don't tell Julian, even if
you want to be like, hey, I'm gonna handle it,
that's cool. But the fact you don't go we got
broken into and Xavier engraved his name in the counter.
But then it's like the power goes out again. Keep
in mind what is happening in your day. It's all
crazy Xavier stuff. And then then you're like, I'm just
gonna go for a walk into a dark parking structure.

(22:42):
It's like all of it was that hole like at
the start of a horror movie where you're like, why
are you going back into the house exactly?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
And what's also weird for me? What bumps?

Speaker 4 (22:53):
And again to your point, Joy, it's like we'd bring
things up and they'd go, well, if we let you
have this obvious solve, we don't get the payoff of the.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Scene or whatever.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I was like, guys, does no one remember that last
time Xavier attacked Brooke, she bought a gun and became
like a straight up marksman shooter.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, and now you're gonna tell me this man.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Is working across the street from her and she's not carrying.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, she's not prepared.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Are we cuckoo?

Speaker 6 (23:20):
And not even a taser or mate? I know, like,
you're going to close a business by yourself at nighttime
while you are being stalked. Yeah, and you don't even
bring a steak knife.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like straight up.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
It was so surreal to me because I remember talking
to our bosses and being like, not to sound like
a completely insane person. But after the third time I
got followed home by like an unhinged fan in Wilmington.
And I'm saying unhinged because obviously we have wonderful fans,
but like, when you follow a stranger home, you must
be an unhinged person. And I'd like to set a
line between lovely people and not like I literally went

(23:56):
and did the sheriff's training course and got a concealed
carry bermitt. I was like, okay, like, y'all want to
start following me home, I'm not going to be unprepared.
Nobody ever attacked me and bashed my face in yeah. Yeah, like,
but I was scared enough to have a safety plan.
And so when you think about the level of what

(24:19):
happened to Brooke, like an assault like that, the kidnapping
of her foster child, the murder of a kid at
the local high school, and she's just like drped or
DRP or dirt. Let me take the elevator to the
third floor while while someone's playing a cradle song in
the parking lot.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
No, that is like it says, they're dragging the machete
along the cement. Yes, just a scariest.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, it's like seeing Jason Vorhees in the mask and
being like, you can be my uber driver.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Like no, and then the Xavier his speech killed me.
But it was also that like very telling though, of
how we handled the villains this season and where I
think your brook is. You know, she's fighting. This is
when he's pinned her in the structure and she's like
why and he says why there is no why, no reason,

(25:09):
no justice. But I thought the why there is no why.
I'm like, that explains Tara, that explains Xavier because we
just have like people playing in eleven, but we haven't
planted any seeds as to why that behavior makes sense.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, which is so strange because they wrote Dan so well,
he's such an en and like they know how to
do it well.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
But what's interesting if you think about that. I wonder
if because Obviously Dan had to have a heart, He
had to have enough motivation that we would willingly ride
the seesaw of we love him, we hate him, we
trust him, we don't trust him. Maybe he is a hero,
Maybe he is the fault for all of this. What's
frustrating to me about the Xavier and the terra of

(25:52):
it all, Like back when we met Xavier and Evans
character was living with him and the things we're all
going on with Sam and Jack, and you know, we
wanted to know what was happening to these kids. We
understood that this was like an unsafe guardian, that there
was something that had really gone wrong for a kid

(26:13):
to end up with this guy. And now he's back
and nothing makes any sense, and it's like he's just
a patent villain. And of course he has to be like,
oh yeah, and you shut your little wore mouth. I
have plans for that mouth.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's like, cool me not.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
First of all, Xavier's never known this woman to not
essentially be married to Julian and as a foster parent,
Like he didn't know. We're in high school. Let's all
take a break from what we used to say about her.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
So It's like, why is the thing we always go
to that that men speak to women and about women
this way? It's so uninteresting and it's unmotivated. So it
just doubles down on that there is no why, and.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
Let's just follow this storyline through to its end. I listen.
I loved the Tara twist because I didn't see it coming. However,
I did not understand. It was very odd to me
that all of a sudden Tara was able to behave
and interact like a normal rational person and the explanation

(27:26):
for everything was just her going, I need to sell
this cafe. Turns me into a bitch. It's like no, no, no, no, no,
a bitch is cutting someone off and parking or like flipping. No.
What you did was like sociopathic level behavior, so psychotic. Yeah,
it was. Listen to what it was was it was

(27:46):
a dude writing something and like doing women dirty. Was like, yeah,
that's what it was. It was just like lazy writing.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
What I really appreciate about you as an actor, Sophia,
through all of this ridiculous you committed so completely to
the material, and I think it's probably in the benefit
of having been through so much on our show on
and off camera that it was almost like you were

(28:16):
you were worn out, and not in a way that
felt it didn't I didn't feel like it was like
not showing up to work. That's not what I mean.
It was almost like just I there was an exhaustion,
like as a woman that I connected with and understood
and with all of the stuff with Xavier, like he's

(28:36):
so over the top, and you kept it so so
under the surface, like you didn't. You didn't let it
all out and get all get like meet him on.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
His level of didn't match his energy.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
He didn't match his energy. And you did the same
thing with Tara when she I really appreciated this scene
when you came or the way you handled it when
she came and sat or leaned on the car next
to you and she's quipping and making all these funny
little remarks. And I could tell in the writing they
wanted you, guys to banter. They wanted you to banter
back with her and like, oh, well, thank god this

(29:09):
is over, yeah ha haha. And I just was like,
thank God, Sophia. It's just like I felt so much
confidence coming from you as a person to be able
to take Brooke into your hands at that moment and go, no,
I'm not I am not playing this game with the
writers and making light of this. This was an incredibly dramatic,

(29:30):
traumatic thing that has happened to real women, and we're
not gonna We're not just going to like make light
of it and make cute jokes at the end. So
no matter how much Tara was like trying to be
cute and poke at you and like be friends, you
just you responded like kindly, but you weren't playing along,
and I was so grateful that you did that.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, It's one of the things that I think, looking
back on this journey with all of.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Us, it's really cool to see the ways.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
We all learned to humanly navigate our characters, because look,
who's the biggest advocate for your character if not you? Right,
like we fell for these people. I still feel such
love and pride for Brooke Davis. And when people are
like I'm her biggest fan, I'm like, I'm her biggest fan,
but you can be her secondliest fan.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Take a number, you know.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
The way that there's just moments where I've thank you, Yes,
I'm I'm excited your.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Brain is running faster than your mouth.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
I'm letting the compliment all the way in instead of
like trying to immediately move on to thirty thousand feet.
So I'm acknowledging saying and then I'll keep going. But
I've loved that for all of us. I've loved watching
each of you do it. I've loved watching our coworkers
do it where you know what was on the page
and you go, oh shit, look at that. Like we

(30:55):
we leaned into the human thing more than we leaned
into the gimmick. And sometimes they did want a gimmick.
Sometimes they would, you know, do something that on its
face is a little too far, like Xavier is scary
enough without intimating what he intimated in the scene. And

(31:16):
I love that we all got to a point in
our work where we knew how to sure say what's
on the page, but put completely other things into it.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I don't know, It's like one of the things I
feel the most.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Like nostalgic about when I watch all of us together,
I'm like, well, look at us. We really did some things,
and we were babies and we did some cool things.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Rob you had to do a lot of that too.
You did do a lot of taking material on the
page that was like, really even just the way the
words were in a sentence sometimes, you know, and you
managed to be captivating and interesting and make it feel realistic.
I mean, I really don't notice the lines until later.

(32:16):
It's like I'm watching the scene. I'm watching the scene,
and then you say it, and I'm like, they're with you,
and then something in the back of my brain goes,
what were those words?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Totally Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
But it's been so this episode in particular felt like
such a reward for you.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Rob.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yes, yes, you've had to just commit to so much
that's wild, and you've done it beautifully. But there was
this like quiet sparkle in the eye, like cricking your
smile leading sing man gorgeous, like romantic confidence in this

(32:59):
whole episode. I was like, I want to watch this.
I want to watch this. Clay do everything the way you,
the way Clay spoke to Quinn, the things you reflected on,
the way I saw you remember Logan say his first word,
and his first word being dad. When you sat down

(33:19):
to tell Sarah about what you've figured out, and it's
the most insane list of things that humans ever had
to say out loud, and it managed to be so
grounded and so charming. I I was like, oh my god,
I love my friend so much. Oh my god, look
at him. I like everything you've had to do in

(33:41):
this whole fugue storyline for me as a viewer and
as your friend, and like, it's it's triple worth it
to have gotten this episode to just watch you be
so connected to your story.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
Thank you, thank you, You're beautiful.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Did you have a lot of planning for that, Rob, Like,
did they give you a heads up? Like, hey, in
the next episode, you're gonna come to and realize all
these things? And you know, like I guess what I'm
asking is there was such a clear difference in Clay
who he was in this fugue state and the confusion
and the self loathing and all of that, and then

(34:20):
this relief was like suddenly something broke. And I wasn't
sure if you had like a lot of intentional time
to plan all those little things that you were going
to do, or did it come really naturally as soon
as you found the script.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
No. I mean, first of all, thank you that that's
means a lot to me. That was very sweet of
you to say all that no, because you know how
it is, like we didn't. They rarely gave us heads
up for stuff like that. Yeah, that was sort of
their emma was like occasionally you hear something or you
would go to them to be like what is happening
and they'd be like, it's eventually going to be this.
But I do remember that. I just remember thinking, because

(34:57):
my my north start always is like how can I
keep this as honest and grounded as possible? Like smaller,
not bigger. And I just remember thinking with Clay that
none of this during the fugue stuff, that is, like,
none of this can be as grounded as I want
it to be because Clay is not grounded right now.
He's he's a man unmoored. And this was the first

(35:18):
episode where I felt like, Okay, now he gets to
drop back into himself and be grounded. And the dialogue
was also such a gift given like how ridiculous even
the episode prior was some of the things I had
to say. I love that first scene in UH with
Clay and Quinn in the car because I love that

(35:39):
we finally got to see and it's happened in smaller moments,
but like a dedicated moment of Clay just expressing his
gratitude for Quinn.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
I was like, because this is this is so necessary, it's.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So achieved and sticking around.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
One hundred percent. And I think if we hadn't seen that,
it would have actually worked to Clay's detriment because it
was like, are you not self aware enough to see
what she's put herself through to be by your side?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, what she's done for you.

Speaker 6 (36:10):
I love that the starting point of this journey for
the two of them was Clay seeing her and appreciating her.
That was a very sweet starting point. And then I
thought the grave scene, my favorite part was when he
said Quinn says hi, because it just felt like this
very like a wholesome, organic thing where it was like

(36:34):
there was no shame in it. He didn't feel any
guilt about it, you know, and he even said like
you were right because remember like last season, I think
it was that Sarah was saying, like, dumb, dumb, answer
the door. She's the one, you know, And so it
was just great that, Like I loved the clarity with
Clay where he wasn't feeling guilty or torn about it
and instead he was just like I love you, and

(36:56):
you were right and like, holy shit, by the way
she says, Hi, you know, it was almost like, let's
be friends, the three of us, Now, this can all
be cool and copasetic. And so I liked that a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, it felt such a relief. It was a damn
breaking He was finally letting Quinn in, letting Quinn be
a part of this whole part of his inner world,
like no wonder he'd been trying to kind of keep
her at arm's length because there's something unfinished in his mind.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Did either of you think, because I didn't remember any
of this, that he was driving to pick up Logan.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I thought Logan might be in the back seat, but
because when he.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Was he was dressed up nice and he had flowers,
and then he was obviously nervous, I thought, oh, he's
showing up to Sarah's parents' house to like talk to Logan.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, I was watching you too, It didn't I wasn't
looking for that, did you think it?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
So?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
At one point I was like, where are they going?
But then I was so interested in the scene that
it didn't matter. And interestingly enough, then when you guys
were pulling up to the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I was like, is some dude, are they lost?

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Like it's so hilarious thing about to happen that I
don't remember. And then when she said I'll be right here,
I was.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Like, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Of course, of course, of.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Course, of course.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
I was so enamored by you two and where Clay
had gotten to and interestingly enough, watching the dynamic of
Clay and Quinn and watching the choices that Sean Tell made,
I was like, Oh, it's not in her dialogue at
all in this episode to say I knew you were

(38:39):
worth the weight. That's what she's giving me. Yeah, And
the energy was just so lovely. I was having such
a good time watching you two that I wasn't really
concerned with, like what you were doing.

Speaker 7 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But one thing that really got me when you first
walked up to the headstone.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Was you sat down and you said hi, Angel, and
I was like, oh, because to have loved and lost
someone is so profound at a young age, and to
have to then.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Figure out how to make space for someone else in
the land of the living when your person has died
is so it's so complex. And there was this joy
in your voice when you said it, and It's such
a term of endearment that people will say to their partners,

(39:42):
but the double entendre of like Sarah really is Clay's angel.
Now I lost it. I was like, that's that's it.
And for you to have these things to share and
then to say and Quinn says hi, I was like,
it's bookended this journey for him to actually be able

(40:06):
to move on, I sobbed. Yeah, it was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Robbie needed it.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
That was really nice. And hey, come on, speaking of
father son stuff, let's circle back because Dan saves the
day and there's a moment when I just again, all
of Paul was so freaking heroic, like walking slow mo
a shotgun with never never. I was swooning start to finish.

(40:36):
But I loved that once he he and Nathan are together,
he's like checking in on Nathan and then he's like,
all right, I'm gonna go check the next room, and
Nathan stops him and says, Dad, it's good to see
you and to see you. I felt that like Paul
didn't make a meal of it, but you could tell
it was like it was like water for Dan's parched soul.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yes, I really I'm realizing as you're saying this, like
this was such an episode for the actors, just for
all of us to be able to see how real
actors can handle material, that the material could have pushed
all of us into a.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
Real big place.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to find a nice vocabulary work for it,
but I can't quite. But yeah, it's it just feels
it feels like it could have been super over the top.
It absolutely could have. And the fact that everybody just
contained it. We all know our characters so well. Everybody
just held on to it, kept it real close to
the vest. And that's what draws you in. I think

(41:44):
as an audience member, you lean in because we're not
putting all the emotions out on top of everything, even
though the words are and the action is.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
Yeah, and how about I mean, the twist didn't stop coming.
So we see Dan gets shot and then we see
him fall onto Nathan. But it's a clever shot because
it's about it's like a it's it's like a two
te it's like basically from his belly button up is
the shot essentially, and he just says, I'm so sorry, son,

(42:14):
and then he falls down, and what we've come to
find out though, is that he had tucked his gun.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Into Nathanson's waist hand line?

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Yeah, waistband?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Oh is that where it came from?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, I was in Dan's hand.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
That's why the shot was a little higher. Otherwise you've
seen it happen.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I was waiting for Dan to turn around and shoot.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
When Dan puts his arms around Nathan, he tucks it
in his waist.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
So it's like his last move actually was enabling his
son to save himself. Heroic. Yeah it was good man. Okay,
did anyone what was your reaction when then the cop
runs in the room.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I just was like, oh, come on, Like, we can't
have one minute, but I will say what I loved.
I loved getting a button on the on the Buddy
comedy of Dan, Julian and Chris because I wasn't expecting it.
I did not remember that Julian came in as the
foil at the end either all. And it was so

(43:15):
great because it's exactly what you brought up earlier, Rob.
It's it's all these guys figuring it out together and
Julian saying essentially saying to Dan, I don't really care
what you consider my friendship with your son. To be.
He's my friend, so I'll show up for him.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Like it's such a it's.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Such a gesture, and I think, I don't know, it's
a It's a really nice reminder about you know, your
integrity and what you can do when you can for people,
and him coming in at the end was a lovely payoff.
But man, when the cop came around the corner, I
was like, you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I was pissed.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
They were all there.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Yeah, I when he walked in, I'm like, come on.
Especially by this point in the episode, there's almost like
a drenal fatigue where we've had so many.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Ye and then and then, but that cop had to go,
Like we had to resolve that ycause everybody knew he
was outstanding.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
And it created the space for Julian to have that
sweet hero moment. So yeah, I allowed it. But when
it first started to happen, I was like, let this
freaking guy get out of here already. Yeah, it was.
It was great.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Though, where are kids?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
By the way, isn't.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Jamie with oh those kids?

Speaker 7 (44:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Good questions. There was not a child in this episode.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, I mean, I get Haley. Maybe he's got Jamie
but maybe Haley's looking at it, but it's just the
fact that brook shows up at the cafe and then
she's still cleaning up twelve hours later, and then Julian's
gone all day.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, somebody's gotta have it.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
They're back at home with Brooks common sense and survival.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Also, can I just say one thing, And I remember,
sweet Greg, who I believe directed this episode, really had
to talk me through this because there was all sorts
of things that felt ridiculous. When the power went out
and they were like, and then you're gonna light the
scene with your iPhone flashlight and I was like, yeah, okay,
so obviously you know, you turn on a flashlight, you

(45:16):
point it out, and then they're like, but we can't
see you, so you have to light yourself with the flashlight.
And I'm like, I have to be dumb enough to
shine my phone flashlight in my own face in the dark.
And literally Greg looked at me, he goes, I know,
I'm sorry, but I need you to light yourself. So

(45:38):
we literally had to figure out like Okay, I'll turn
it on, i'll swipe out, i'll come around, i'll look
past it. We had to do all this dancing to
try to not have me look dumb enough to shine
a flashlight in my own eyes.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
And I was just like, I mean, thank god he
at least acknowledged it and acknowledged it and didn't try
and make it. Yeah, I'm like, oh, well, your motivation
could be blah blah BLUs you No, it.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Was like I know, I need you to do it.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
And I was like, okay, it didn't cross my mind
once if that helps it.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
The muscle memory came right out when I did this
and then this, I was.

Speaker 6 (46:13):
Like that flash you're you're a legend because you already
had you had your work cut out for you on
this one, because the Brook Xavier storyline was definitely just
the like what are we what's happening? And then the
fact that because that's the kind of thing like you
can't crush an actor's spirit and you're already asking them

(46:34):
to like do some serious heavy lifting and like logic suspension.
So the fact that you had to do the storyline
and also again, you are an intelligent adult who's been
in the world for a while. Shine your flashlight not
at your surroundings but into your own face.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah, that breaks the camera exactly.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
That can easily be the note where you're like, you
know what, Nah, I'll trailer quick, I'll be in my trailer.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
I was like, okay, so I have to be a
moron and my own DP today, got it, got it?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
But you know what, we did it and here we are.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Great episode. I am very curious what we're going to
do in the next three right gosh, because I feel
like we've I only know one thing. I know Clay
and Quinn and Logan's endgame, but I really recall anything else.
So I'm very curious to see what we have three
episodes of.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Yeah, Like, I'm so excited. I am just so excited
for the Haley and Nathan reunion.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Me doo.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
And it's interesting too. You know, we didn't talk about this,
and I want to before the episode's over. You know,
it's not lost on me that this is exactly when
you should have essentially been on like Matt leave and weren't,
so you had to come to work and you still
had a very young baby at home. I thought, with

(48:01):
the way this episode really segmented into different verticals, I
was like, wow, you know they're doing right by Joy
by giving her some serious time off. With her new baby,
and the way they used you in the house, moving
around kind of trapped with your own memories and anxiety.

(48:21):
Even the fact that they put you on the treadmill
for that one scene so short, nothing said, but it
communicated so much about this woman feels trapped inside in
her mind.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
In her life. And I don't know. I loved. I
loved the way.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
That they did things because I thought they were a
great storytelling with you know, limited time and be that
on a show where we very rarely were considered as
people by the people in charge. I was like, good,
good for them, Good for them for like not just
making her do a bunch of frivolous stuff, especially after

(49:02):
like the Morgue episode and everything. I liked that they
gave you a beat to just like be a human
did too, before you get some happiness.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, and it worked because she knew what Dan was doing,
Like he kicked her out of the sound stage and
she's like, Okay, he's on it, and I just have
to wait. There's nothing else.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I just have to wait.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
Yes, too, It's nice that we were able to probably
shoot you out in a day because you were just
at your on location. I also just want to remind
everyone that you had to tart yourself up to the
nice last episode and you had to run on a
treadmill in this episode. So while we were playing, while
the show was playing ball with you to an extent,

(49:43):
they weren't making it like overly easy. Oh, definitely not
on it.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, by the time I mean, I guess I had
Maria was probably about nine months by the time we
were shooting that, maybe a real months, yeah, because she
was born in February, so I think we shot that
in October because we were done by November. Yeah, so
we probably shot this like early October. So I was
pretty well healed and I was out for runs and

(50:10):
trying to drop the babywait and all that. So I
think physically I was I was doing okay, but it's
but yes, like still just to be able to have
time with her because she was born. We wrapped, we
had a hiatus, and then I came back. Yeah, and
a lot was different in my life, so it was

(50:31):
it was really helpful.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Before we wrap this up, I want to say I
loved the last shot of the episode of Haley watching
the videos of Nathan and the phone ring and just
it was such a simple shot of just you looking
at the phone, but as an audience member who was
putting all of their own stuff on it, I was like,

(50:54):
oh my god, kind of looks like she might know,
like she has intuition. And the fact that we didn't
get the payoff of seeing you pick up the phone.
I just thought that was such a smart, powerful way.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Wait didn't we I said, hello?

Speaker 6 (51:06):
Well the hello, but then black oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,
we didn't. We didn't get the reciprocity. Yeah, your side.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Was it Nathan's phone that was calling me? Because it
looked I couldn't quite tell, but the screen looked like
it said Nathan. That's why I was like, oh my god,
Nathan's phone is calling me. But what does this mean?

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Was the true phone?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I thought it was a cell phone that I had.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
That would be crazy you answered a cell phone, but
it would be crazy because they smashed Nathan's.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Phone to bits. Yeah, but I I was wondering.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I was like, oh my god, we've got Nathan and Julian.
Julian's pulling out his phone. Dan's been shot. Julian must
be calling nine one one. So I'm sitting there thinking,
is Nathan going to call her from Dan's phone. Julian's
going to call nine one one? And then is he
Is he going to call Haley immediately next?

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Like what?

Speaker 4 (51:52):
I started running through all the possibilities of who who
could be calling you?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah? And wait, did we see Julian driving the car past?
Like we didn't see that?

Speaker 6 (52:03):
Okay, No, we just saw him. I think we just
saw him on his phone. I believe. I think we
heard him talking to nine one one.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
They were kneeling over Dan and he pulled Nathan went
to like put his hands on his chest. I guess
to pressurize his wound. Julian pulled the phone out and
started to die.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Oh that's right, right, So it's like, oh, it was
just such good suspense because we all know what we're
waiting for, what we've been waiting for, is about to happen,
and now we have to wait another week.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
Well we don't, but back then he did.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Oh my gosh, this listener question is so good and
so timely. Selene asks, if you were in the shoes
of Logan's grandparents, how would you handle Clay remembering and
wanting to come back into Logan's life.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Ooh, we're gonna find out in the next episode how
they handle it. But how would you, guys, how do
you feel about that?

Speaker 6 (53:09):
I mean, you gotta be like, you gotta let it happen,
but you also got to be a little guarded, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean that's his dad, and there's something interesting, right.
I think there's a double edged sword with mental health
because we understand how serious it is, and we also
have historically been so dismissive and judgmental of people's mental health.
So I immediately go to how evolved are they? How

(53:37):
much therapy have they done? How much do they know that?
There's no way your brain could have returned to this
place with this person until it was ready to. And
I would imagine, you know, he's six years old, if
he's been living with his grandparents for five years. Of
course they know he has parents, but they've been his

(53:59):
primary care giver. They are the ones who give him,
you know, his baths and put him to bed.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
And the loss of.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
The regularity with a child is so hard in a family,
and so it must I mean, my god, I would
imagine it would be so complicated for them.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
I guess it depends on whether or not they told
him did they like, are they what?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
How do you?

Speaker 3 (54:24):
What do you say to the First of all, clearly,
they never showed him a photo of his own father, obviously,
which is like, what only ever pictures of his mom
who he knew died, but he they don't show So
that's a huge hole in the story in the first place.
And if they are the kind of people who did
not show him the photo of his father, then I

(54:44):
don't imagine they would be too keen to suddenly like
just let him come back in. Would they also be
the type to hide from him that his father even
existed anymore, Like they could have made up a lie
that's like, he doesn't he's he died with your mom?
But are they gonna say he's out?

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Like?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
There's a lot of holes.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
Can I tell you one thing though, that that works
in the favor of them letting the transition happen. I
think a big factor is Quinn, because you could be
afraid that like, what if his brain just does it again?

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Right?

Speaker 6 (55:17):
If it was just Clay by himself, that's a very
valid fear totally, once you meet Clay or once you
meet Quinn. I think seeing that there's a second grounded
adult who lives in the house. Yeah, would sort of
anchor the whole situation.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
That's a great point.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Yeah, I would also imagine trying to put myself in
those shoes as Selene is asking. Yeah, I think it
would almost be like what parents do with grandparents, which is,
as the kids get bigger, your grandparents aren't just you know,
watching you on a Friday night. You can go spend
the night, you can spend the weekend at you know,

(55:53):
your mammy's house. You can whatever it is. And so
I almost wonder if it's a version of that in reverse, like, yeah,
Logan can start doing overnights with Clay and Quinn, and
then he can do weekends and then maybe you go
a week on a week off and see how he does. Yeah,
everybody's going to have to go to therapy. There's going
to have to be marriage and family counseling here. And

(56:15):
if if it's working for Logan, if Logan is flourishing,
if this little boy loves having his dad in his
life and wants to live with his dad, then that
probably would be the shift. But I would imagine it
would take like six months to a year of creating
new routines back and forth between Clay and Quinn's home

(56:38):
and the home he's lived in his entire life of memory.

Speaker 6 (56:41):
Yeah, it's not going to happen on our show's timeline.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
It's not going to happen on our show's timeline, which
is kind of a bummer.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Pretty sure we expedite the heck out of it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely would have been like the kind
of I would have shown him photos of his dad.
I would have talked to him about, Yeah, here's what happened.
Your mom died and your dad had like a mental break,
and we are just, you know, we're waiting for him
to come around, and we're praying for him, and we're
like hoping that when he's ready, it's time and and
we'll but here's here's all the things about him and

(57:10):
he it's not about you. It's not that he doesn't
love you and all those things he said.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Maybe he'll get better. Yeah, yeah, good question, Selene. That's
a complex one.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I like it though, And we should spin a wheel
and we have an honorable mess.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Oh my gosh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Okay, let's spin a wheel first. Okay, Oh, Sophie and
I are going to hit arm wrestle for this one.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Yeah, it's us most likely to pick up a new
hobby every week.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Uh huh, Rob, do you have this inclination too?

Speaker 6 (57:45):
I learned everything about it, Adhd Baby. Yes, I will obsess.
I will do my best to master it, and then
I am bored.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Oh yeah, I will obsess. I will do the research,
I will get the things. Yeah, and then there's just
a graveyard of things for hobbies and I probably actually
start slash master like one in ten that I supply
myself for.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yep, it's so good. You got so many hobby things.
We could just host workshops and have somebody. We've got
all the supplies.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Honestly, that would be so fun because the minute you
have a body double you can do it.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So if we did like.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Crafter noons, yes, on Saturdays, in the hypothetical world where
we all live in the same city, that would be
so cool.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It feels like a convention op crafter Noon.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Great.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I'm in craft with Sophie and Joy. I'm sure I
would want to do it.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
My can't counselor heart.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Do we have an honorable mention?

Speaker 6 (58:43):
Paul?

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, he kind of.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Everyone did great this episode, but he put it on
his back and was just a star.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
And there's one moment in particular, and I say this
not to undercut this seriousness of his per formance, but
to add to it. When he looked at Chris Keller
and said you called shotgun and handed him the sowd
off shotgun, I was like chef's kiss.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
How About when he was walking away from Chris Keller
and said, Dan Scott doesn't like this either. Chris Keller's speech,
good way of it was so great? All right, thanks
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