February 20, 2023 • 43 mins
Confirmations of sex tapes and missing scenes of an important plot made for double the drama.
Find out why the physical fight between Brooke and Peyton was incredibly emotional to watch back and the reason Hilarie actually hit Sophia in real life!
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First of all, you don't know me. We all about
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Queen's You Guys, Season four episode um were dressed up
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I just I just cleaned my office and found my
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crown and I was like, oh, this is so nice.
So I put it on top of the bottle of
your whiskey, which is in my house, and it's sitting
there on my bar. And I didn't bring it with me,
and I should have. But you both look very beautiful.
Promp prom queens. Indeed, you're like basically filming out of
castle right now, so you're This episode originally aired February one,
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two thousand seven, A real follow up to Our Valentine's
Day Show on the Day from the residue of Nathan's
pre prom party has serious repercussions for everyone in Tree Hill.
Hayley asks Nathan for a list of all his past
sexual conquests. Oh my God, do not ever do that.
Rachel is suspended after taking the blame for the exam
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that she stole with Brooke. Peyton tells Lucas she wants
to skip the prom entirely, but he doesn't want to
take no for an answer, And finally, Marvin McFadden and
Brooke must deal with dating clean teens on pro cuties.
This episode was directed by our very own Paul Johansson
and he crushed it. Wow prom episode. This is so fun.
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I love I love the big episodes like this. This
one was a huge one. I was so I had
so much to say about this episode, and I'm upset
that I'm not going to be here for this entire podcast,
But I have to like First, Hillary, you are such
a good actress the scenes that you did, Like, it
was so nice to see Peyton take a turn from
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being um. You've gone through all the phases of like weepy,
and then you were having fun for a while and
now it's like you're just get angry and we haven't
seen Peyton do that in a way that is so
confident and solid. Like I've seen Peyton throw a fit before,
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I don't know that I've seen Peyton just kind of
come into her a confidence in her own of like
everything is shifted and you put everything emotionally into place. Um,
with how you felt about what Brooke and Nathan did
and you're like, okay, that's it. I know exactly where
I stand right now, and I'm it was just so
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solid and the and then the emotional turn that you
had with Brooke in the yard, um, it was just
like talking about your mom. Mom. It made me cry
and I'm driving and I was like, stop crying, I'm driving.
It was really really good. So well that well, thanks.
I think that we were all really lucky that in
this big episode we had Paul directing, because Paul knew
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us man, Paul knew the ship that was going on
in real life. He knew all the stuff our characters
that had to do before, you know, And I think
everyone turned in really good performances this episode. And so
while we have you, I want to talk about yours
because it is so um. It makes that like your
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throat burn when you think about asking your partner to
make a sex list, like oh my god, oh my god.
Basically we're doing the thing that you do in horror
films and were like, Haley, don't come in the hou
and she's so pregnant and hormonal. But it's so the
writing I thought was fully areas on this one. The
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fact that I got to be so irrational and just
out of control, I didn't find it irrational at all.
You totally made it. It made sense to me. Oh thanks, Yeah,
that was really fun. I was surprid that was another
this episode I had a lot of I remembered being
in the rooms. This is the episode I slapped Rachel too,
right or was that the no? That was the last one? Remember, yes,
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that was the last one. It was the last one, right, Okay,
so that one I wasn't here for you and James
have such great comedy in this, and it's very Katherine
hepp Burn, Spencer Tracy. It's fast. It's like try to
keep up, you know, that's Hayley's energy. It's like, no,
do what I asked you to do, but also don't
do what I asked you to do, and you two
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are getting to do funny stuff maybe for the first time, Like,
you guys have been very sweet together. You've had fights,
you've been vulnerable and emotional, but you're being funny together.
I was glad that they didn't write Hayley's reaction to
this as like another big, overwhelming, sad, sulky like, you know,
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how could you do this? I don't know who? I like,
I just didn't want to mope. I was so happy
that she was just kind of a grown up about it, like, wow, Wow,
it's not that you're mad that he made the tape.
It's that you're mad that he still light. Yeah, do
you use it? It's so horrible. It's so horrible, and
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the natural fear because don't forget in the prior episode,
when everyone's yelling, oh my god, Nathan and Peyton made
a sex tape. Peyton comes running screaming turn it off,
turn it off. Haley witnesses all of this. So Haley
turns and looks at her husband and goes, oh, old,
Nathan video taped every time he had sex with a girl,
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Like that camcorder was set up in his bedroom. It
was like to go get it. It was there, it
was there, and why was it already there well, So
essentially the discovery of oh, you have this whole other life,
this whole other series of proclivities, these fantasies that I
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know nothing about, that can be really hard. I remember
years and years ago. I don't know what it is now,
but when I think when we were doing the show,
it might have even come up because of this episode.
There was like a big piece that got published about
how like over of people feel like if their partner
has a secret porn habit that is cheating, Like that's
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a really intense thing to find out that someone has
a whole sex life that has nothing to do with you.
And I loved that we were able to talk about
the reality of how complicated it is to figure out
what the person you love likes that has nothing to
do with you. But we did it in a funny way.
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It's like it gave people permission to have the conversation.
But to your point, Joy, it wasn't Moby, it wasn't
like hitting us over the head with another dramatic thing,
and I loved it. I also have to say something
about this tape. I have to say something. Chilly and
I talked about this last so upset about this because
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this is actually this is really fed up. And look,
I get that the point was that Brooke essentially was
going to be told like you betrayed me too, with
the Peyton and Lucas of it all, and and their
whole thing is this was one drunk night and you
had a full emotional affair, and you lied to me
and you snuck around behind my back. Each person decides
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why the other person is the wrong one. But I
remember how upset I was when we got this script,
and I was like, I'm not going to do this,
like this is so unforgivable, and they gave me this
whole thing about no, no, no. At the opening of
four fifteen, Peyton is on a tear. Nathan is doing
body oots off Bevin. They get in a big screaming
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fight and she dumps him, and then she comes to
Brook and Brooke is wasted and having a good time
and says, you don't you hate Nathan. He's mean to you.
I have I know what you need. Take two of
these and call me in the morning. And she yanks
over to like hot guys and like shows them to Peyton,
and Peyton looks at her and goes, I'm not like you,
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I'm not a two bit in front of everyone and
walks away. And so when Brooke sits down with Nathan
and he says, Peyton broke up with me, she says,
Peyton just like I don't remember what it was, but
it was essentially like she just said the meanest thing
anyone's ever said to me. And he looked at her
and was like want to get back at her, And
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it was like it was like a thing that they
made a decision on. And for me, when the episode
aired and I saw that they had cut that out,
I was like, listen, you don't. Everybody's in the wrong here.
But when you take away the like core wound context
that when your best friend has said the merest thing
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like at fifteen that you think anyone can say to you,
I was like, oh my god, I sobbed. When I sob,
you know what, You're right, because what it turned into
was kind of gross and creepy, Nathan being like you
were you were just drunk enough. It was like like
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him taking advantage of a drunk girl. And even further,
it says it when you get into the bedroom, he's like,
you need another drink? Like what are we doing here? Exactly,
and it went from being to two kids. We've talked
so much about how in like all these ways Nathan
and Brooke are really similar and like their friendship can
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be this great respite for each other, and and you
could have seen why these two made this really bad
decision in the in the versions of themselves they were
two years ago, and then both tried to pretend it
never happened and never talked about it again, and like
Brooke even says, like, I kind of like I was
really drunk. I kind of wanted it to be a
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bad dream, which is so sad. And it goes from
being like, oh, that was the worst versions of us
and now we're better versions of us to just like
her in particular, being the bad guy, like she really
gets blamed, and I just felt like it was so cruel,
Like I don't know, it made me feel very defensive
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of her, which is probably an insane thing to say
because she's not an actual person, but she feels like, yeah,
but that you went through seasons and seasons after seasons,
the episodes of episodes after that, functioning in a certain
way believing that Brooke just did that just for no reasons. Yeah,
it just affects me that you look at at your
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performance and who Brooke has been over the last like
two seasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it and there, and
there was to be the tie in with Peyton calling
her that to Peyton putting it on her dress, and
it was like it was a whole thing like this,
this like mortal wound. And they took it away, but
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they didn't take away you dumping him, And I was like,
that's really stub like it gives him an excuse, but
not her exactly. And I didn't because the excuse that
Haley and Peyton get the whole time is it didn't
mean anything. It didn't mean anything. It didn't mean anything,
which those are just like dumb empty words. If it
instead had been like, no, you were being a bitch
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that night, like trying to get back at you, and
I feel really horrible about it. Yeah, you were awful
to both of us. We did something regrettable, and because
we regretted it, we buried it. Like, yeah, I could
have been a more interesting conversation. Anytime someone tells me
it didn't mean anything, I'm like, do me more, Like
how many soapb obbaras have you watched? You loser. Yeah, exactly.
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This is one of the things that happens a lot
with TV. If that's different from film, I think is
that you know, there's there's people in an office who
are not artists, and then there's writers UM. And the
writers are in TV are preoccupied with the next episode
and everything, and you know, they're all often just trying
to piece mail things together if something doesn't make sense,
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or if an episodes too long or whatever, and so
it's everyone except the people responsible for those characters in
the room making creative decisions about the characters. And it's
really frustrating it. It happens all the time in UM,
in TV, and uh, there's nothing that really actors can
do about it. You just have to show up and
trust that you know, the people who are working with
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the office people really have your back, and sometimes they
just they just can't because they're too distractive of too
many other things, or maybe they don't care. I don't know.
It can be tough or you have to go um
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what you said, you remember filming this episode, you had
a really really nice scene with Chad in the kitchen.
Do you remember that one I just watched like an
hour ago. What happened, what happened in the kitchen, But
you're like, you know, talking about Peyton's ex boyfriend in
the video and Nathan says or Lucas says, well, Nathan's
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not like her ex boyfriend either. You know. She said, like,
don't be like Peyton's ex boyfriend. You're encouraging to go
to Peyton, show up for her and don't be like
her ex boyfriend. And he's like, niced to Nathan because
he's not like her ex boyfriend either. Yeah, you two
had such a good chemistry in that scene and Lucas
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is being Lucas bounced and back and forth between Brook
and Payton again. Yeah, you're the person that lets the
audience see him like for the good Boy. I always
miss seeing Haley and Lucas on camera because we started
the show that way. It was so much Lucas and
so whenever we get to see them together again, and
I even you know, I search out at at an
event um recently, and um, it just it does. It's like,
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no matter how much time goes by, no matter what,
it just feels like you've been through so much together.
It's family. It's like you just it's a comfort level
and it was like, man, we could easily be walking
down the street, um down Front Street right now again.
You know, it's it's great. I love I love Lucas
and healing. I think it's also nice to see, you know,
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Nathan's taking a lot of responsibility going on his apology tour,
and it's nice to see their brotherly relationship with Lucas
kind of following Nathan around trying to keep everyone calm
in the wake of the crisis. Like I didn't even
realize that that Lucas was doing, but you know, it's
like a nice seesaw. It's in a way, they're like,
let's divide and conquer, and so they're sort of like
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rotating around each other trying to solve this problem the brand. Yeah,
and I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed, you know, seeing
Nathan take it on the chin and be the best
version of himself. And I appreciated that Lucas was reminding
everyone who their friends really are. You know. He he
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does it for Brooke, and he does it for Haley,
and he does it for Peyton. He says to Peyton. Look,
in a way, Lucas is the only person in this episode,
by the way who says, yeah, they did something dumb
years ago when they were drunk. We did this thing
for a long time behind her back, Peyton, you know,
and he acknowledges it for the first time and she, granted,
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isn't ready to hear it, but it's it's kind of impressive.
And and and he uses that reality of look, this
is what we did, and we did it for a
long time, and it's this is the reality now, and
and he and then he says, you're better than this.
My take on Lucas is that he's so pumped that
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he's not at the center of this. Also that for
so long he was the dip and dump stuff with
multiple girls, you know, just like, hey man, this is
my opportunity to like clean the slate. Oh my god,
it's but if we all give each other's mistakes that Yeah,
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he's just standing in the middle of the hurricane, just
watching the women in his life, his mother, Hayley Brook,
everybody's just and and he's just taking it, taking it
on the chin, trying to handle everybody. Yeah, so funny. Yeah,
and he does. He really does take it on the
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chain because less we forget when him and when Lucas
and Nathan have their scene. Oh, Nate apologizes and and
Lucas says something about, you know, I just don't ever
want to see a tape of you in Peyton. Nathan
just takes a breath and goes, well, never will because
Haley destroyed all the tapes in the house. And I
was like, oh my god, Like he just goes ahead
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and says, don't worry about it, man, And it's so
that was my only confirmation that that existed. Even I
was like, what, there's tapes, I know. I was like,
this is really horrible. And I don't know if maybe
we were talking about this because we were in the
era of all those reality girls having their sex tapes
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come out. I don't know why this was such a
big deal, but God, when he just said that, When
Nathan says that to Lucas was such a straight face
in the kitchen, I almost fainted. Yeah, I was like,
but also I have a very strong appreciation for a
singular tape that can be destroyed, do you know what
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I mean? In the age of the Internet and in
the age of like, you know, people downloading things or
sending them digitally, like having a tape that you can
rip the physical film Burn and Destroy. What a treat
I missed the good old days. Yeah, my god, I
I just want to see Haley with a hammer, just like.
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That's it. I know that I want to see Haley
with a lighter and a barbecue, like just lighter fluid
that's on a webber grill outside and burn it, Angelo Bassett.
It would have been so so, so so funny. It
would have worked too well. I gotta go. I love
you guys. Yeah, well, thanks for joining us, have fun
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in the castle. Great performances in this episode, both of you. Well, same,
thank you. Yeah. It's so yeah, there's a lot of like,
there's just a lot of nuance that I didn't catch
the first time around. And I'm I'm loving it, and
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I'm also a little uncomfortable. Yeah, because we're finding out
things that on ourselves, our characters that we didn't know.
That's what it is. It's it feels like it honestly
feels like exactly like what Brooke is experiencing. That you
did something dumb and drunk at a party and you
don't remember until people start reminding you, and then the
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pieces come back together. You know, I forgot about Peyton
and Nathan and nipple rings and sex tapes and showers together,
like all of it has been wiped from my memory
because you know, for the last couple of years it's
Luke Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke luke. Um. The reminder
is brutal. It is so brutal, and I think it
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can be really hard, especially when something from so far
in your past comes up and and you know, Lucas
says it. He says, she's acting like it just happened.
Haley has the counter, Well, it did just happen to her,
you know, she just found out about it. But for
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Brooke and Nathan, like I would bet you they've both
literally forgotten that this ever happened. Now it's back to
bite them in the ass and what a total nightmare. Yeah,
but right there, but also a great platform for some
comedy because you and I, as we watched Hailey be like,
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I want the list, guys. So Foria and I are
sitting here to sidebar texted each other about like you
don't want the list. You don't want the list. You
think we want that list. It's a real bad idea.
You don't want the list. And if I mean there's one,
you shouldn't keep a list. Don't make a list. It's
a recipe for don't make a list for us to
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find in your drawers or oh my god, you don't
want that list. No. No. I've had a couple of
situations where I have um learned after the fact that uh,
I have engaged with someone who has been with my partner,
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And it makes me happy that I don't know, because
when I interact with them, I'm a cool girl. You know,
I'm not being territorial or weird. I'm just being fun cool.
And so then when I find out later, I'm like, Okay, fine,
you know, I don't want to know before. Knowing before
makes it worse because then you're not really yourself when
you meet that person. Yes, it's just not possible. Yeah,
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I don't know. I don't want people to keep secrets
from me. But I also I'm like, I don't think
I need to know. Like I I remember finding out
that um, a girl who had been so awful to
one of my best guy friends in a relationship that
they were in like tortured this sweet boy. Yeah. Years later,
I was dating someone and found out he had also
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dated this girl, and I almost broke up with him
over it, like I couldn't. It made it made you
think his taste was bad in my head in a
way that I was like, I don't think I can
get over this, and yeah, I just was like I don't.
I don't know how to understand this about you. And
I was like, man, I just wish i'd never known this.
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I don't want to know this. There's well, here's the deal.
There's a fine line between knowing who your person has
had significant relationships with, Like I can look at the
people that my husband has dated and been like, those
are all really talented, ambitious, smart women, Like I feel
like I am in good company, and and then also
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like I have dated people who only ever dated trollops.
You know, I did not feel like I was in
good company. And so I think knowing what your person's
history is in terms of how they respect women, what
they're attracted to, that can be helpful. I don't need
to know every person on the list. No, I don't
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want it. I don't want it. Has it's almost air
to just assume it's everyone right, just to be like,
it's actually a great strategy. You've kissed everyone, and I'm
the last one. I'm I'm the one that made you stop.
Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, feather in our caps, Sophia,
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we dime into it. Look at us, look at us.
We broke up. We also did the damn thing in
this episode, unfortunately to each other. I still am sweaty
about this. No, it's okay. We just we were in it,
like it was such a real fight. And and I
know we've talked a little bit about you know, stunts
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some things, but it's choreography and you're also in the moment.
And yeah, there was one moment where we were each
we were facing each other, and like we were each
supposed to go left. I was supposed to have I
remember this so clearly because I was really upset that
I'd hurt you. I was supposed to be holding your down,
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and when we landed, I could only get your um
your left hand so on my right hand side down
and that was bad for you because you had you
had nothing to do with your other hand. You couldn't
like hit me. It was like I had to hold
both hands so that you could struggle against them, and
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I was bringing my arm across to go and get
your other hand right as you leaned forward and I
cracked you in the head. And I don't know if
that's how you remember it, but I remember the crack
and being like it was scary. It was, well it was.
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I remember thinking like, wow, that was really loud, and
then thinking was it only loud because it was in
my head? And then I saw your face and like
looked around and everyone's eyes were big and mouths were open,
and I was like, oh, everybody heard that, and we
like stopped for a minute. But in my head, yeah,
to your point, Like my memory is that like we
were both supposed to go left, and like, well, you're
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left in my left, but I went right, and it
just yeah, it was it was a collision of every proportions. Well,
we didn't have rehearsal, you know, like we had a
little bit of rehearsal, but we're shooting outside, we're on location,
we're fighting daylight. It is a hugely emotional scene and
there's two of them back to back because we had
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to do I had totally forgotten about the scene where
comes to Peyton's door and they have the fight at
the door and then Brooke leaves before she comes back
to Egg the house so we had two huge emotional
scenes scenes. Yeah, and there's no time to just like
five six, seven eight. You know. That's no. They didn't
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coordinate with us as well as they should, I think,
especially because we were four years in. They were like,
they're professionals, Sophan, Hillary, they they're great. You know. We
were always the ones who'd say like, yeah, we can
do it, just shows where he used to be, will
make it work. That was always our thing, like we're
runn out of time, we'll make it work. And then
you realize, oh, yeah, for some stuff, we should probably
have choreography. But the thing that struck me about it
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because it's such a beautiful scene between us, and I
guess part of the reason I'm but hurt about them
taking that beginning out is because, in different ways, each
of these girls has this mortal wound, and they get
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expressed with different terms. Brooks is a criticism of of
who she is. Certainly you know, judgment and sexism and
all those things, you know, coming from my end of it,
and and what I saw in this scene watching it
back is that you got to tell me the worst
thing I've ever said to you. And I think that
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the wound I feel for Broke is that she didn't
get to express, like you said one of the worst
things like a person could say to me like you
you treated me like everybody else. And the reason it
the thing that really sticks out to me, obviously, Peyton's wound,
the mother thing is the biggest and the baddest and
the worst. And what it illuminated for me in our
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fight and these girls who have been there for each
other since they were so little, is that they both
have actually the same core wound. It's abandonment, and they've
they're the ones who have shown up for each other forever,
and in this moment, they've abandoned each other. And and
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what Peyton voices to Brooke is you abandoned me. And
Broke hast to see that the thing she has felt
that Peyton did to her is exactly what she's done
to Peyton, and it took my breath away seeing it
as an adult and really seeing the subtext of the
conversation between us, I was like, Oh, these girls have
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held like they used to come together to comfort each
other from this wound, and now they're stabbing each other.
And it it really gutted me. It really hurt when
I heard Brooks say you win, you win. You know,
you got the boy, you got the dress, you got
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everything that you wanted. Um, because for so long Peyton
was trying to centerr brook and be like, just be
with them, be happy. I'm gonna keep my secret as
long as you're happy, you know, And that that was
like a really hard thing to hear because Peyton doesn't
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feel like it's a win, you know, like it doesn't
feel like a win, and so to have the person
you love be like fine. Um. The other thing that
really strikes me that I didn't figure out till adulthood,
but that is definitely on display in the scene is
that we can love a lot of people like you
and I love a lot of people. We don't give
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a lot of people permission to hurt us. That's the
next level. And I personally have very few people in
my life who I will let in enough to hurt me,
because I'm so conditioned to be like, you know what,
you're probably gonna have at some point. So we're just
gonna we're gonna pump the brakes right here. We'll stay
at love. Love feels fun. Um. Brooke and Peyton are
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the only people who can hurt each other. Lucas can't
hurt them, He's already done it to both of them.
Nathan can't hurt them, you know, like their parents can't
hurt them. They're the only people that they care enough
about to give them that power. Yes, And I think
that's why the U win hurts so much, because what
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Brooke is really saying is you were the one person
I trusted and you broke it. So now you're getting
all the stuff everybody builds to have one person and
I have no one. Like That's what Brooke is saying
to Peyton. You have someone who loves you, like I'm
out here trying to date. I'm out here trying to
find a boyfriend in a prom date. I got dumped
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because you to like make up for the gaping hole
in my heart that you have left, and you've got
somebody in it. You win, and it is Oh, it's
so sad, these two little girls. It was a really
well written scene, and I think it was kind of
scary for a lot of our crew members to watch
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us film it because we had so much going on
behind the scenes that it was that weird line of like,
what's the subtext here? Are these girls really fighting because
they're both putting in pretty good performances right now, like
they're they're going for it um. And I remember all
the crew members afterwards coming up to us being like,
are you guys okay? Like, are you okay? Yeah? And
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that was the first time I think that we'd put
in performances where people that loved us and knew us
were just like, hey, are you guys, Like do you
need something? Like can we take care of you somehow?
Because this was intense. It was really intense. It was
really intense well, and if I may, and this was
also at a point where we were really getting with
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so hard behind the scenes that it changed our actual friendship. Yes,
like m m, it makes me want to cry, Like
we didn't know that. But this was in this was
in a moment where we you had always been much
like Brooke and Peyton, like when I got to Wilmington's
and we've talked about this, like you were my person,
(31:43):
And this was in an era where we were all
being pitted against each other. And I think there was
like under the scene, there was real pain of I
don't know if you care about me as much as
I care about you. And I see it in with
directions and I know in fact it went like all
(32:04):
the way around the merry ground of all of us girls.
We were so scared because of the things that were
being whispered in all of our ears. And I think
it's you know, I think it's really part of it's
part of what our characters are going through. It's part
of what we were going through, and it it's not
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something much like Brooke and Peyton. We didn't get any
help because we didn't have an adult in the room.
It took us learning lessons as young women and being
able to bring those back to each other eventually and
to realize it was never you and it was never me.
It was the grown ups that we're supposed to take
care of us wanted us to be enemies. And I
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think all of that happening and being good girls who
came to work and did good work and really helped
the crew, I think it's part of why it feels
so emotional because nobody was allowed to express anything. I
went home. Here's my admission, um, after the whole like
(33:07):
fight scene in the next episode, so not this fight scene.
This fight scene left me feeling really rattled. UM, and
I was I was unsure, like how to be around
you because I had hurt you, but I know that
we'd also done this like work together that um was
important and that I loved, but it was layered with
(33:30):
like hurt physical and like you know, figurative UM. When
we shot the next episode and it's after they fight
Psycho Deeric and you and I are seated on the
front porch like all bloody, and we've got the blankets
around us and we were taking vodka shots from a
water bottle together. I went home and cried after that.
I did too, because I was like, it's gonna work.
(33:54):
It's gonna work. Like that was like the moment where
I was like, oh, we're good, like to get other,
were a good team um, and I felt like, um,
I feel like I could make the choice to hang
out with you or too, just like be with you
in a way where I didn't have to ask permission
(34:16):
from anyone anymore because we've just done this thing that
was really cool together. Yeah, that was one when I
cried me too. Oh my god, I can't believe it. Yeah,
I am it did it it Weirdly, I think being
in such an intense situation together and coming together like
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it mirrored something we'd had that in our real lives
and we both like I saw it. Yeah, it was
the first time where I thought, if we can have this.
I don't know if all the other stuff that I
know is being fed in both directions here, I don't
know if that's real. This feels really real. What almost
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made it didn't It didn't even matter, you know what
I mean? Like it's like, yes, say whatever you want
to say. You know. I was waking up to a
lot of stuff at this point when we were in
season four, because at this point where you and I
filmed this episode, I had found out that things were
being said about me and our creator that we're not true,
(35:20):
and that light bulb went off and it was like, oh,
but then that means that the stuff about Danil isn't true,
and that means the stuff about Sophia isn't true. And
it was this domino effect and it reached its peak
when we went to Honey Grove. Right, So this is
like the span of time between prom and Honey Grove
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is when everything went to shoot on our show. But
between shooting this episode with you and having this like
come to Jesus in this moment where like maybe we
did have to have an injury in order to like
come together and be God, I'm really sorry, you know.
I just I'm crying in the trailer because I heard
you um with Jojo just like oh my god, is
(36:07):
she you know? And UM and her telling me like,
calm down, you're making it a really big you have
to calm down. Um. Between that and then when we
had the All nine graduation party where we really did
come together as a team behind the scenes and like, ah, yeah,
this chunk episodes is just so laced with like real
(36:27):
life tension, and then like really strong work. We took
all the stuff that we couldn't say out loud and
just put it in the scene. Here, you guys go,
here's the buffet of emotion. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's like
we got to take out our frustrations on what was
going on behind the scenes on our guest star next week.
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Oh my god, sweet map Bar when that door knock happens,
like sweet things are happening, and then the door and
then mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah, like a metaphor. You know,
there's so much tender work between two people and that's
where we move on. I just I love you. I
(37:13):
love you too, don't make I'm proud of us. Well, yeah,
it's hard to talk about this. It's hard because it
means admitting that, like we weren't good to each other
in different ways. We were like conditioned to be competitive
(37:35):
or dismissive, or I was just aloof a lot. I
was really aloof I think what's part of what's hard
about it, though, is unlike a normal life, when you have,
you know, sixteen hours of work a day to do
with someone, you don't have time to get in a fight.
You don't you are conditioned to not bring your personal life,
(38:03):
and it can make figuring out your personal life almost
impossible because the fear is, well, if we take the
lid off this thing, it's going to explode. You can't
just like have a fight or an argument like you
would with your friend and take three days and then
talk about it. It's it's so pressurized. And I think
to your point, we finally got to let some of
(38:25):
the pressure out and then everything changed because we could
really see each other and and not be manipulated into
suspicion or assumption anymore. Well, here's here's how you know
I love you. Um. When I left One Tree Hill,
there was like it's bad. It was really it was bad,
(38:48):
and I didn't talk to anybody for a very long time.
But I had to put my real together, uh, in
order to go audition for other jobs. And so I'm
like pregnant putting too together my real And this is
the one scene from One Tree Hill that I had
on it. This is what This is my most proud
(39:08):
work on the show with you m I love it.
I love that, yeah said. I remember Paul coming into
the house after Peyton like goes in and slams the door,
and it's just like, so are you okay? Can we
keep going? Like yeah, no, we're great, We're troopers, We're
(39:28):
gonna be great. Um. But this whole episode it was strong.
I mean I feel like any of our friends would
say that about this episode. Lee got to do good stuff,
Haley and Nathan got to do good stuff together, chat
and where we got to do really good stuff together,
Like this was an episode about duos and those are
(39:51):
our strongest episodes. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, And you're right,
I mean, what an honorable mention for Lee. It's like
they they made him. They just wrote him so weird
in the last episode, and I feel like Mouth and
who he really is is back in this episode and
such a relief. And I love that they essentially through
(40:14):
these you know, this episode and the next one, the
cliffhanger into prom they let him be ducky. They let
him be that guy. And even in the small generous moments,
you know, Mouth texting Rachel a picture of him and
Brooke and saying we miss you. You know, it's all
as it should be. The way he is with her
(40:37):
in the closet she's packing, Oh my god. Yes, but
also the way she is with you. Brooke and Rachel
are such a good love story when she I mean
you and her and that like false goodbye before she
comes back and hugs you goodbye, so good. It's it's
(41:00):
the audiences reminder that Brooke Davis is a great friend.
She's a great friend, and she deserves to be put first.
I also just love seeing Rachel get vulnerable, you know,
even even in the comedic way in which she does it. Well,
yeah I did that because I suck, But you're better
(41:20):
than she. She has a hard time not cracking a
joke in a vulnerable moment like someone else I know, um,
but it's so it's raw and it's sweet and it's honest,
and I do really love seeing these girls together. There's
something about these two who have made mistakes making each
(41:42):
other better that feels very, very sweet. There's a lot
of sweet duos and then some I'm not so sweet duos,
and then you have the unsweetest, the bitterest duo of
all in that end scene, and it seems like it's
going to be sweet. The misdirect. You know, everyone's getting
(42:03):
ready for prom and you're getting your dress and everyone's
doing their hair, and it's cutting back and forth and
Lucas is tightening his tie and he's putting on his
boot near and then you realize it's not Lucas, it's Derek.
Don't Don't done, the perfect the perfect polar opposite to
you at the river court asking mouth to prom and
(42:24):
like being with all the boys and it's like so
cute and it's so high school and it's so fun,
and then it's like the exact opposite. It's not fun.
You know who is fun? Okay, you guys, we have
Matt bar god bless uh, but we're just teasing you
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about next week's episode, which is season four, episode sixteen.
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crown and I was like, oh, this is so nice.
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Promp prom queens. Indeed, you're like basically filming out of
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two thousand seven, A real follow up to Our Valentine's
Day Show on the Day from the residue of Nathan's
pre prom party has serious repercussions for everyone in Tree Hill.
Hayley asks Nathan for a list of all his past
sexual conquests. Oh my God, do not ever do that.
Rachel is suspended after taking the blame for the exam
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that she stole with Brooke. Peyton tells Lucas she wants
to skip the prom entirely, but he doesn't want to
take no for an answer, And finally, Marvin McFadden and
Brooke must deal with dating clean teens on pro cuties.
This episode was directed by our very own Paul Johansson
and he crushed it. Wow prom episode. This is so fun.
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I love I love the big episodes like this. This
one was a huge one. I was so I had
so much to say about this episode, and I'm upset
that I'm not going to be here for this entire podcast,
But I have to like First, Hillary, you are such
a good actress the scenes that you did, Like, it
was so nice to see Peyton take a turn from
(02:09):
being um. You've gone through all the phases of like weepy,
and then you were having fun for a while and
now it's like you're just get angry and we haven't
seen Peyton do that in a way that is so
confident and solid. Like I've seen Peyton throw a fit before,
(02:29):
I don't know that I've seen Peyton just kind of
come into her a confidence in her own of like
everything is shifted and you put everything emotionally into place. Um,
with how you felt about what Brooke and Nathan did
and you're like, okay, that's it. I know exactly where
I stand right now, and I'm it was just so
(02:51):
solid and the and then the emotional turn that you
had with Brooke in the yard, um, it was just
like talking about your mom. Mom. It made me cry
and I'm driving and I was like, stop crying, I'm driving.
It was really really good. So well that well, thanks.
I think that we were all really lucky that in
this big episode we had Paul directing, because Paul knew
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us man, Paul knew the ship that was going on
in real life. He knew all the stuff our characters
that had to do before, you know, And I think
everyone turned in really good performances this episode. And so
while we have you, I want to talk about yours
because it is so um. It makes that like your
(03:39):
throat burn when you think about asking your partner to
make a sex list, like oh my god, oh my god.
Basically we're doing the thing that you do in horror
films and were like, Haley, don't come in the hou
and she's so pregnant and hormonal. But it's so the
writing I thought was fully areas on this one. The
(04:00):
fact that I got to be so irrational and just
out of control, I didn't find it irrational at all.
You totally made it. It made sense to me. Oh thanks, Yeah,
that was really fun. I was surprid that was another
this episode I had a lot of I remembered being
in the rooms. This is the episode I slapped Rachel too,
right or was that the no? That was the last one? Remember, yes,
(04:24):
that was the last one. It was the last one, right, Okay,
so that one I wasn't here for you and James
have such great comedy in this, and it's very Katherine
hepp Burn, Spencer Tracy. It's fast. It's like try to
keep up, you know, that's Hayley's energy. It's like, no,
do what I asked you to do, but also don't
do what I asked you to do, and you two
(04:46):
are getting to do funny stuff maybe for the first time, Like,
you guys have been very sweet together. You've had fights,
you've been vulnerable and emotional, but you're being funny together.
I was glad that they didn't write Hayley's reaction to
this as like another big, overwhelming, sad, sulky like, you know,
(05:08):
how could you do this? I don't know who? I like,
I just didn't want to mope. I was so happy
that she was just kind of a grown up about it, like, wow, Wow,
it's not that you're mad that he made the tape.
It's that you're mad that he still light. Yeah, do
you use it? It's so horrible. It's so horrible, and
(05:34):
the natural fear because don't forget in the prior episode,
when everyone's yelling, oh my god, Nathan and Peyton made
a sex tape. Peyton comes running screaming turn it off,
turn it off. Haley witnesses all of this. So Haley
turns and looks at her husband and goes, oh, old,
Nathan video taped every time he had sex with a girl,
(05:57):
Like that camcorder was set up in his bedroom. It
was like to go get it. It was there, it
was there, and why was it already there well, So
essentially the discovery of oh, you have this whole other life,
this whole other series of proclivities, these fantasies that I
(06:18):
know nothing about, that can be really hard. I remember
years and years ago. I don't know what it is now,
but when I think when we were doing the show,
it might have even come up because of this episode.
There was like a big piece that got published about
how like over of people feel like if their partner
has a secret porn habit that is cheating, Like that's
(06:39):
a really intense thing to find out that someone has
a whole sex life that has nothing to do with you.
And I loved that we were able to talk about
the reality of how complicated it is to figure out
what the person you love likes that has nothing to
do with you. But we did it in a funny way.
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It's like it gave people permission to have the conversation.
But to your point, Joy, it wasn't Moby, it wasn't
like hitting us over the head with another dramatic thing,
and I loved it. I also have to say something
about this tape. I have to say something. Chilly and
I talked about this last so upset about this because
(07:21):
this is actually this is really fed up. And look,
I get that the point was that Brooke essentially was
going to be told like you betrayed me too, with
the Peyton and Lucas of it all, and and their
whole thing is this was one drunk night and you
had a full emotional affair, and you lied to me
and you snuck around behind my back. Each person decides
(07:42):
why the other person is the wrong one. But I
remember how upset I was when we got this script,
and I was like, I'm not going to do this,
like this is so unforgivable, and they gave me this
whole thing about no, no, no. At the opening of
four fifteen, Peyton is on a tear. Nathan is doing
body oots off Bevin. They get in a big screaming
(08:02):
fight and she dumps him, and then she comes to
Brook and Brooke is wasted and having a good time
and says, you don't you hate Nathan. He's mean to you.
I have I know what you need. Take two of
these and call me in the morning. And she yanks
over to like hot guys and like shows them to Peyton,
and Peyton looks at her and goes, I'm not like you,
(08:24):
I'm not a two bit in front of everyone and
walks away. And so when Brooke sits down with Nathan
and he says, Peyton broke up with me, she says,
Peyton just like I don't remember what it was, but
it was essentially like she just said the meanest thing
anyone's ever said to me. And he looked at her
and was like want to get back at her, And
(08:45):
it was like it was like a thing that they
made a decision on. And for me, when the episode
aired and I saw that they had cut that out,
I was like, listen, you don't. Everybody's in the wrong here.
But when you take away the like core wound context
that when your best friend has said the merest thing
(09:07):
like at fifteen that you think anyone can say to you,
I was like, oh my god, I sobbed. When I sob,
you know what, You're right, because what it turned into
was kind of gross and creepy, Nathan being like you
were you were just drunk enough. It was like like
(09:27):
him taking advantage of a drunk girl. And even further,
it says it when you get into the bedroom, he's like,
you need another drink? Like what are we doing here? Exactly,
and it went from being to two kids. We've talked
so much about how in like all these ways Nathan
and Brooke are really similar and like their friendship can
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be this great respite for each other, and and you
could have seen why these two made this really bad
decision in the in the versions of themselves they were
two years ago, and then both tried to pretend it
never happened and never talked about it again, and like
Brooke even says, like, I kind of like I was
really drunk. I kind of wanted it to be a
(10:08):
bad dream, which is so sad. And it goes from
being like, oh, that was the worst versions of us
and now we're better versions of us to just like
her in particular, being the bad guy, like she really
gets blamed, and I just felt like it was so cruel,
Like I don't know, it made me feel very defensive
(10:29):
of her, which is probably an insane thing to say
because she's not an actual person, but she feels like, yeah,
but that you went through seasons and seasons after seasons,
the episodes of episodes after that, functioning in a certain
way believing that Brooke just did that just for no reasons. Yeah,
it just affects me that you look at at your
(10:52):
performance and who Brooke has been over the last like
two seasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it and there, and
there was to be the tie in with Peyton calling
her that to Peyton putting it on her dress, and
it was like it was a whole thing like this,
this like mortal wound. And they took it away, but
(11:12):
they didn't take away you dumping him, And I was like,
that's really stub like it gives him an excuse, but
not her exactly. And I didn't because the excuse that
Haley and Peyton get the whole time is it didn't
mean anything. It didn't mean anything. It didn't mean anything,
which those are just like dumb empty words. If it
instead had been like, no, you were being a bitch
(11:35):
that night, like trying to get back at you, and
I feel really horrible about it. Yeah, you were awful
to both of us. We did something regrettable, and because
we regretted it, we buried it. Like, yeah, I could
have been a more interesting conversation. Anytime someone tells me
it didn't mean anything, I'm like, do me more, Like
how many soapb obbaras have you watched? You loser. Yeah, exactly.
(11:56):
This is one of the things that happens a lot
with TV. If that's different from film, I think is
that you know, there's there's people in an office who
are not artists, and then there's writers UM. And the
writers are in TV are preoccupied with the next episode
and everything, and you know, they're all often just trying
to piece mail things together if something doesn't make sense,
(12:16):
or if an episodes too long or whatever, and so
it's everyone except the people responsible for those characters in
the room making creative decisions about the characters. And it's
really frustrating it. It happens all the time in UM,
in TV, and uh, there's nothing that really actors can
do about it. You just have to show up and
trust that you know, the people who are working with
(12:40):
the office people really have your back, and sometimes they
just they just can't because they're too distractive of too
many other things, or maybe they don't care. I don't know.
It can be tough or you have to go um
(13:01):
what you said, you remember filming this episode, you had
a really really nice scene with Chad in the kitchen.
Do you remember that one I just watched like an
hour ago. What happened, what happened in the kitchen, But
you're like, you know, talking about Peyton's ex boyfriend in
the video and Nathan says or Lucas says, well, Nathan's
(13:25):
not like her ex boyfriend either. You know. She said, like,
don't be like Peyton's ex boyfriend. You're encouraging to go
to Peyton, show up for her and don't be like
her ex boyfriend. And he's like, niced to Nathan because
he's not like her ex boyfriend either. Yeah, you two
had such a good chemistry in that scene and Lucas
(13:48):
is being Lucas bounced and back and forth between Brook
and Payton again. Yeah, you're the person that lets the
audience see him like for the good Boy. I always
miss seeing Haley and Lucas on camera because we started
the show that way. It was so much Lucas and
so whenever we get to see them together again, and
I even you know, I search out at at an
event um recently, and um, it just it does. It's like,
(14:11):
no matter how much time goes by, no matter what,
it just feels like you've been through so much together.
It's family. It's like you just it's a comfort level
and it was like, man, we could easily be walking
down the street, um down Front Street right now again.
You know, it's it's great. I love I love Lucas
and healing. I think it's also nice to see, you know,
(14:33):
Nathan's taking a lot of responsibility going on his apology tour,
and it's nice to see their brotherly relationship with Lucas
kind of following Nathan around trying to keep everyone calm
in the wake of the crisis. Like I didn't even
realize that that Lucas was doing, but you know, it's
like a nice seesaw. It's in a way, they're like,
let's divide and conquer, and so they're sort of like
(14:56):
rotating around each other trying to solve this problem the brand. Yeah,
and I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed, you know, seeing
Nathan take it on the chin and be the best
version of himself. And I appreciated that Lucas was reminding
everyone who their friends really are. You know. He he
(15:20):
does it for Brooke, and he does it for Haley,
and he does it for Peyton. He says to Peyton. Look,
in a way, Lucas is the only person in this episode,
by the way who says, yeah, they did something dumb
years ago when they were drunk. We did this thing
for a long time behind her back, Peyton, you know,
and he acknowledges it for the first time and she, granted,
(15:41):
isn't ready to hear it, but it's it's kind of impressive.
And and and he uses that reality of look, this
is what we did, and we did it for a
long time, and it's this is the reality now, and
and he and then he says, you're better than this.
My take on Lucas is that he's so pumped that
(16:03):
he's not at the center of this. Also that for
so long he was the dip and dump stuff with
multiple girls, you know, just like, hey man, this is
my opportunity to like clean the slate. Oh my god,
it's but if we all give each other's mistakes that Yeah,
(16:24):
he's just standing in the middle of the hurricane, just
watching the women in his life, his mother, Hayley Brook,
everybody's just and and he's just taking it, taking it
on the chin, trying to handle everybody. Yeah, so funny. Yeah,
and he does. He really does take it on the
(16:44):
chain because less we forget when him and when Lucas
and Nathan have their scene. Oh, Nate apologizes and and
Lucas says something about, you know, I just don't ever
want to see a tape of you in Peyton. Nathan
just takes a breath and goes, well, never will because
Haley destroyed all the tapes in the house. And I
was like, oh my god, Like he just goes ahead
(17:05):
and says, don't worry about it, man, And it's so
that was my only confirmation that that existed. Even I
was like, what, there's tapes, I know. I was like,
this is really horrible. And I don't know if maybe
we were talking about this because we were in the
era of all those reality girls having their sex tapes
(17:26):
come out. I don't know why this was such a
big deal, but God, when he just said that, When
Nathan says that to Lucas was such a straight face
in the kitchen, I almost fainted. Yeah, I was like,
but also I have a very strong appreciation for a
singular tape that can be destroyed, do you know what
(17:48):
I mean? In the age of the Internet and in
the age of like, you know, people downloading things or
sending them digitally, like having a tape that you can
rip the physical film Burn and Destroy. What a treat
I missed the good old days. Yeah, my god, I
I just want to see Haley with a hammer, just like.
(18:11):
That's it. I know that I want to see Haley
with a lighter and a barbecue, like just lighter fluid
that's on a webber grill outside and burn it, Angelo Bassett.
It would have been so so, so so funny. It
would have worked too well. I gotta go. I love
you guys. Yeah, well, thanks for joining us, have fun
(18:33):
in the castle. Great performances in this episode, both of you. Well, same,
thank you. Yeah. It's so yeah, there's a lot of like,
there's just a lot of nuance that I didn't catch
the first time around. And I'm I'm loving it, and
(18:54):
I'm also a little uncomfortable. Yeah, because we're finding out
things that on ourselves, our characters that we didn't know.
That's what it is. It's it feels like it honestly
feels like exactly like what Brooke is experiencing. That you
did something dumb and drunk at a party and you
don't remember until people start reminding you, and then the
(19:16):
pieces come back together. You know, I forgot about Peyton
and Nathan and nipple rings and sex tapes and showers together,
like all of it has been wiped from my memory
because you know, for the last couple of years it's
Luke Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke luke. Um. The reminder
is brutal. It is so brutal, and I think it
(19:38):
can be really hard, especially when something from so far
in your past comes up and and you know, Lucas
says it. He says, she's acting like it just happened.
Haley has the counter, Well, it did just happen to her,
you know, she just found out about it. But for
(19:59):
Brooke and Nathan, like I would bet you they've both
literally forgotten that this ever happened. Now it's back to
bite them in the ass and what a total nightmare. Yeah,
but right there, but also a great platform for some
comedy because you and I, as we watched Hailey be like,
(20:23):
I want the list, guys. So Foria and I are
sitting here to sidebar texted each other about like you
don't want the list. You don't want the list. You
think we want that list. It's a real bad idea.
You don't want the list. And if I mean there's one,
you shouldn't keep a list. Don't make a list. It's
a recipe for don't make a list for us to
(20:45):
find in your drawers or oh my god, you don't
want that list. No. No. I've had a couple of
situations where I have um learned after the fact that uh,
I have engaged with someone who has been with my partner,
(21:08):
And it makes me happy that I don't know, because
when I interact with them, I'm a cool girl. You know,
I'm not being territorial or weird. I'm just being fun cool.
And so then when I find out later, I'm like, Okay, fine,
you know, I don't want to know before. Knowing before
makes it worse because then you're not really yourself when
you meet that person. Yes, it's just not possible. Yeah,
(21:31):
I don't know. I don't want people to keep secrets
from me. But I also I'm like, I don't think
I need to know. Like I I remember finding out
that um, a girl who had been so awful to
one of my best guy friends in a relationship that
they were in like tortured this sweet boy. Yeah. Years later,
I was dating someone and found out he had also
(21:52):
dated this girl, and I almost broke up with him
over it, like I couldn't. It made it made you
think his taste was bad in my head in a
way that I was like, I don't think I can
get over this, and yeah, I just was like I don't.
I don't know how to understand this about you. And
I was like, man, I just wish i'd never known this.
(22:13):
I don't want to know this. There's well, here's the deal.
There's a fine line between knowing who your person has
had significant relationships with, Like I can look at the
people that my husband has dated and been like, those
are all really talented, ambitious, smart women, Like I feel
like I am in good company, and and then also
(22:35):
like I have dated people who only ever dated trollops.
You know, I did not feel like I was in
good company. And so I think knowing what your person's
history is in terms of how they respect women, what
they're attracted to, that can be helpful. I don't need
to know every person on the list. No, I don't
(22:57):
want it. I don't want it. Has it's almost air
to just assume it's everyone right, just to be like,
it's actually a great strategy. You've kissed everyone, and I'm
the last one. I'm I'm the one that made you stop.
Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah, feather in our caps, Sophia,
(23:18):
we dime into it. Look at us, look at us.
We broke up. We also did the damn thing in
this episode, unfortunately to each other. I still am sweaty
about this. No, it's okay. We just we were in it,
like it was such a real fight. And and I
know we've talked a little bit about you know, stunts
(23:40):
some things, but it's choreography and you're also in the moment.
And yeah, there was one moment where we were each
we were facing each other, and like we were each
supposed to go left. I was supposed to have I
remember this so clearly because I was really upset that
I'd hurt you. I was supposed to be holding your down,
(24:01):
and when we landed, I could only get your um
your left hand so on my right hand side down
and that was bad for you because you had you
had nothing to do with your other hand. You couldn't
like hit me. It was like I had to hold
both hands so that you could struggle against them, and
(24:23):
I was bringing my arm across to go and get
your other hand right as you leaned forward and I
cracked you in the head. And I don't know if
that's how you remember it, but I remember the crack
and being like it was scary. It was, well it was.
(24:43):
I remember thinking like, wow, that was really loud, and
then thinking was it only loud because it was in
my head? And then I saw your face and like
looked around and everyone's eyes were big and mouths were open,
and I was like, oh, everybody heard that, and we
like stopped for a minute. But in my head, yeah,
to your point, Like my memory is that like we
were both supposed to go left, and like, well, you're
(25:06):
left in my left, but I went right, and it
just yeah, it was it was a collision of every proportions. Well,
we didn't have rehearsal, you know, like we had a
little bit of rehearsal, but we're shooting outside, we're on location,
we're fighting daylight. It is a hugely emotional scene and
there's two of them back to back because we had
(25:26):
to do I had totally forgotten about the scene where
comes to Peyton's door and they have the fight at
the door and then Brooke leaves before she comes back
to Egg the house so we had two huge emotional
scenes scenes. Yeah, and there's no time to just like
five six, seven eight. You know. That's no. They didn't
(25:48):
coordinate with us as well as they should, I think,
especially because we were four years in. They were like,
they're professionals, Sophan, Hillary, they they're great. You know. We
were always the ones who'd say like, yeah, we can
do it, just shows where he used to be, will
make it work. That was always our thing, like we're
runn out of time, we'll make it work. And then
you realize, oh, yeah, for some stuff, we should probably
have choreography. But the thing that struck me about it
(26:12):
because it's such a beautiful scene between us, and I
guess part of the reason I'm but hurt about them
taking that beginning out is because, in different ways, each
of these girls has this mortal wound, and they get
(26:32):
expressed with different terms. Brooks is a criticism of of
who she is. Certainly you know, judgment and sexism and
all those things, you know, coming from my end of it,
and and what I saw in this scene watching it
back is that you got to tell me the worst
thing I've ever said to you. And I think that
(26:55):
the wound I feel for Broke is that she didn't
get to express, like you said one of the worst
things like a person could say to me like you
you treated me like everybody else. And the reason it
the thing that really sticks out to me, obviously, Peyton's wound,
the mother thing is the biggest and the baddest and
the worst. And what it illuminated for me in our
(27:17):
fight and these girls who have been there for each
other since they were so little, is that they both
have actually the same core wound. It's abandonment, and they've
they're the ones who have shown up for each other forever,
and in this moment, they've abandoned each other. And and
(27:37):
what Peyton voices to Brooke is you abandoned me. And
Broke hast to see that the thing she has felt
that Peyton did to her is exactly what she's done
to Peyton, and it took my breath away seeing it
as an adult and really seeing the subtext of the
conversation between us, I was like, Oh, these girls have
(28:02):
held like they used to come together to comfort each
other from this wound, and now they're stabbing each other.
And it it really gutted me. It really hurt when
I heard Brooks say you win, you win. You know,
you got the boy, you got the dress, you got
(28:23):
everything that you wanted. Um, because for so long Peyton
was trying to centerr brook and be like, just be
with them, be happy. I'm gonna keep my secret as
long as you're happy, you know, And that that was
like a really hard thing to hear because Peyton doesn't
(28:43):
feel like it's a win, you know, like it doesn't
feel like a win, and so to have the person
you love be like fine. Um. The other thing that
really strikes me that I didn't figure out till adulthood,
but that is definitely on display in the scene is
that we can love a lot of people like you
and I love a lot of people. We don't give
(29:05):
a lot of people permission to hurt us. That's the
next level. And I personally have very few people in
my life who I will let in enough to hurt me,
because I'm so conditioned to be like, you know what,
you're probably gonna have at some point. So we're just
gonna we're gonna pump the brakes right here. We'll stay
at love. Love feels fun. Um. Brooke and Peyton are
(29:31):
the only people who can hurt each other. Lucas can't
hurt them, He's already done it to both of them.
Nathan can't hurt them, you know, like their parents can't
hurt them. They're the only people that they care enough
about to give them that power. Yes, And I think
that's why the U win hurts so much, because what
(29:52):
Brooke is really saying is you were the one person
I trusted and you broke it. So now you're getting
all the stuff everybody builds to have one person and
I have no one. Like That's what Brooke is saying
to Peyton. You have someone who loves you, like I'm
out here trying to date. I'm out here trying to
find a boyfriend in a prom date. I got dumped
(30:14):
because you to like make up for the gaping hole
in my heart that you have left, and you've got
somebody in it. You win, and it is Oh, it's
so sad, these two little girls. It was a really
well written scene, and I think it was kind of
scary for a lot of our crew members to watch
(30:35):
us film it because we had so much going on
behind the scenes that it was that weird line of like,
what's the subtext here? Are these girls really fighting because
they're both putting in pretty good performances right now, like
they're they're going for it um. And I remember all
the crew members afterwards coming up to us being like,
are you guys okay? Like, are you okay? Yeah? And
(30:58):
that was the first time I think that we'd put
in performances where people that loved us and knew us
were just like, hey, are you guys, Like do you
need something? Like can we take care of you somehow?
Because this was intense. It was really intense. It was
really intense well, and if I may, and this was
also at a point where we were really getting with
(31:20):
so hard behind the scenes that it changed our actual friendship. Yes,
like m m, it makes me want to cry, Like
we didn't know that. But this was in this was
in a moment where we you had always been much
like Brooke and Peyton, like when I got to Wilmington's
and we've talked about this, like you were my person,
(31:43):
And this was in an era where we were all
being pitted against each other. And I think there was
like under the scene, there was real pain of I
don't know if you care about me as much as
I care about you. And I see it in with
directions and I know in fact it went like all
(32:04):
the way around the merry ground of all of us girls.
We were so scared because of the things that were
being whispered in all of our ears. And I think
it's you know, I think it's really part of it's
part of what our characters are going through. It's part
of what we were going through, and it it's not
(32:24):
something much like Brooke and Peyton. We didn't get any
help because we didn't have an adult in the room.
It took us learning lessons as young women and being
able to bring those back to each other eventually and
to realize it was never you and it was never me.
It was the grown ups that we're supposed to take
care of us wanted us to be enemies. And I
(32:45):
think all of that happening and being good girls who
came to work and did good work and really helped
the crew, I think it's part of why it feels
so emotional because nobody was allowed to express anything. I
went home. Here's my admission, um, after the whole like
(33:07):
fight scene in the next episode, so not this fight scene.
This fight scene left me feeling really rattled. UM, and
I was I was unsure, like how to be around
you because I had hurt you, but I know that
we'd also done this like work together that um was
important and that I loved, but it was layered with
(33:30):
like hurt physical and like you know, figurative UM. When
we shot the next episode and it's after they fight
Psycho Deeric and you and I are seated on the
front porch like all bloody, and we've got the blankets
around us and we were taking vodka shots from a
water bottle together. I went home and cried after that.
I did too, because I was like, it's gonna work.
(33:54):
It's gonna work. Like that was like the moment where
I was like, oh, we're good, like to get other,
were a good team um, and I felt like, um,
I feel like I could make the choice to hang
out with you or too, just like be with you
in a way where I didn't have to ask permission
(34:16):
from anyone anymore because we've just done this thing that
was really cool together. Yeah, that was one when I
cried me too. Oh my god, I can't believe it. Yeah,
I am it did it it Weirdly, I think being
in such an intense situation together and coming together like
(34:38):
it mirrored something we'd had that in our real lives
and we both like I saw it. Yeah, it was
the first time where I thought, if we can have this.
I don't know if all the other stuff that I
know is being fed in both directions here, I don't
know if that's real. This feels really real. What almost
(35:00):
made it didn't It didn't even matter, you know what
I mean? Like it's like, yes, say whatever you want
to say. You know. I was waking up to a
lot of stuff at this point when we were in
season four, because at this point where you and I
filmed this episode, I had found out that things were
being said about me and our creator that we're not true,
(35:20):
and that light bulb went off and it was like, oh,
but then that means that the stuff about Danil isn't true,
and that means the stuff about Sophia isn't true. And
it was this domino effect and it reached its peak
when we went to Honey Grove. Right, So this is
like the span of time between prom and Honey Grove
(35:43):
is when everything went to shoot on our show. But
between shooting this episode with you and having this like
come to Jesus in this moment where like maybe we
did have to have an injury in order to like
come together and be God, I'm really sorry, you know.
I just I'm crying in the trailer because I heard
you um with Jojo just like oh my god, is
(36:07):
she you know? And UM and her telling me like,
calm down, you're making it a really big you have
to calm down. Um. Between that and then when we
had the All nine graduation party where we really did
come together as a team behind the scenes and like, ah, yeah,
this chunk episodes is just so laced with like real
(36:27):
life tension, and then like really strong work. We took
all the stuff that we couldn't say out loud and
just put it in the scene. Here, you guys go,
here's the buffet of emotion. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's like
we got to take out our frustrations on what was
going on behind the scenes on our guest star next week.
(36:52):
Oh my god, sweet map Bar when that door knock happens,
like sweet things are happening, and then the door and
then mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah, like a metaphor. You know,
there's so much tender work between two people and that's
where we move on. I just I love you. I
(37:13):
love you too, don't make I'm proud of us. Well, yeah,
it's hard to talk about this. It's hard because it
means admitting that, like we weren't good to each other
in different ways. We were like conditioned to be competitive
(37:35):
or dismissive, or I was just aloof a lot. I
was really aloof I think what's part of what's hard
about it, though, is unlike a normal life, when you have,
you know, sixteen hours of work a day to do
with someone, you don't have time to get in a fight.
You don't you are conditioned to not bring your personal life,
(38:03):
and it can make figuring out your personal life almost
impossible because the fear is, well, if we take the
lid off this thing, it's going to explode. You can't
just like have a fight or an argument like you
would with your friend and take three days and then
talk about it. It's it's so pressurized. And I think
to your point, we finally got to let some of
(38:25):
the pressure out and then everything changed because we could
really see each other and and not be manipulated into
suspicion or assumption anymore. Well, here's here's how you know
I love you. Um. When I left One Tree Hill,
there was like it's bad. It was really it was bad,
(38:48):
and I didn't talk to anybody for a very long time.
But I had to put my real together, uh, in
order to go audition for other jobs. And so I'm
like pregnant putting too together my real And this is
the one scene from One Tree Hill that I had
on it. This is what This is my most proud
(39:08):
work on the show with you m I love it.
I love that, yeah said. I remember Paul coming into
the house after Peyton like goes in and slams the door,
and it's just like, so are you okay? Can we
keep going? Like yeah, no, we're great, We're troopers, We're
(39:28):
gonna be great. Um. But this whole episode it was strong.
I mean I feel like any of our friends would
say that about this episode. Lee got to do good stuff,
Haley and Nathan got to do good stuff together, chat
and where we got to do really good stuff together,
Like this was an episode about duos and those are
(39:51):
our strongest episodes. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, And you're right,
I mean, what an honorable mention for Lee. It's like
they they made him. They just wrote him so weird
in the last episode, and I feel like Mouth and
who he really is is back in this episode and
such a relief. And I love that they essentially through
(40:14):
these you know, this episode and the next one, the
cliffhanger into prom they let him be ducky. They let
him be that guy. And even in the small generous moments,
you know, Mouth texting Rachel a picture of him and
Brooke and saying we miss you. You know, it's all
as it should be. The way he is with her
(40:37):
in the closet she's packing, Oh my god. Yes, but
also the way she is with you. Brooke and Rachel
are such a good love story when she I mean
you and her and that like false goodbye before she
comes back and hugs you goodbye, so good. It's it's
(41:00):
the audiences reminder that Brooke Davis is a great friend.
She's a great friend, and she deserves to be put first.
I also just love seeing Rachel get vulnerable, you know,
even even in the comedic way in which she does it. Well,
yeah I did that because I suck, But you're better
(41:20):
than she. She has a hard time not cracking a
joke in a vulnerable moment like someone else I know, um,
but it's so it's raw and it's sweet and it's honest,
and I do really love seeing these girls together. There's
something about these two who have made mistakes making each
(41:42):
other better that feels very, very sweet. There's a lot
of sweet duos and then some I'm not so sweet duos,
and then you have the unsweetest, the bitterest duo of
all in that end scene, and it seems like it's
going to be sweet. The misdirect. You know, everyone's getting
(42:03):
ready for prom and you're getting your dress and everyone's
doing their hair, and it's cutting back and forth and
Lucas is tightening his tie and he's putting on his
boot near and then you realize it's not Lucas, it's Derek.
Don't Don't done, the perfect the perfect polar opposite to
you at the river court asking mouth to prom and
(42:24):
like being with all the boys and it's like so
cute and it's so high school and it's so fun,
and then it's like the exact opposite. It's not fun.
You know who is fun? Okay, you guys, we have
Matt bar god bless uh, but we're just teasing you
with him because he's actually going to talk with us
about next week's episode, which is season four, episode sixteen.
(42:47):
You call it madness, but I call it love. That's
so frightening. It's so frightening, But we do love. I
R L Sweet Matt bar So we'll see you next week. Hey,
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