July 19, 2021 • 56 mins
The Drama Queens agree they are all members of the Deb Scott (Barbara Alyn Woods) Fan Club. Why is this particular character making such an impact on them now?
In a surprising switcheroo, Hilarie, Sophia and Joy reveal the TV character most like their own but of the opposite sex.
We gain solid insight as to what high school was like IRL for our Drama Queens. And, it turns out there’s still ongoing curiosity surrounding Haley's hat.
Finally, we need your help. How many times did poor Comet get in to a fender bender, accident, or full blown crash during the on-screen life of that car?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys. So much happens in episode four, actutely titled Crash
into You because crash, but I think the car crashing no,
don't go bad, Okay, crash into You is? Is this
an episode where Haley convinces Lucas to go with the
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team to a party at Nathan's beach house, hoping that
the guys will become friendlier, which obviously it's not going
to happen. I think the car crash of my heart
is our finally being able to see deb Scott, Barbara
Alan Woods. She is such a babe, such a babe,
and such a good mom, such a good mom, like
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really trying to you know. She sees the problem with
her son. She doesn't quite how to fix it, but
she sees it. And she's not just like going along
with every craziness that Dan is showing us. Well, and
how like Dan Scott has been situated firmly in this
show so to find a woman to go toe to
toe with him but also still like kiss him in
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the kitchen. You know, she is able to do that
with such ease, you know. And she came into a
cast that was already working together, it's right, and they
did such a beautiful job of establishing I forgot that
there was intimacy between Dan and Death, like the way
they hug each other in the kitchen and he goes, oh,
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is that my wife? And there's this whole dynamic and
and Barb played so many levels in this episode so
flawlessly to to have that romance with him, to challenge
him to be observing her, her changing teenage son, Oh
my god, when she calls him surly, Do you feel
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like our parents ever said that about us? Surly? It
was a tall order for the character of deb though,
to be able to walk that line, to tow that
line of understanding why this woman would have married and
stayed with this man, and yet having her be sympathetic
and watching her walk walk into Karen's cafe and handle
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that situation and just extend that all the branch in
the sort of awkward way that you know she did
and that grown ups would That was tough. I feel
like I could see when she walked in and she's
like a coffee oh uh and a b scotti, and
then she goes to leave, and You're like, oh no,
she's losing it. She's losing it. She's chickening. Out and
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then they suddenly have this beautiful conversation. I mean, really,
what we are is the Barbara Allen Woods fan club.
She wears the pants in this episode, which which you
know watching it as an adult lady, Now I'm like, yeah, girl,
put on as an adult. What hit me was their
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whole conversation when she talks about how Nathan is is
obviously suffering or struggling, and Dan tries to blame her
and says it's because you're working and you're gone, and
she says, I'm gone at max ten days a month,
and and he's pressuring her if you were home, if
you spent more time with him, and she claims her identity,
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her career, that she deserves to have both to be
a mom, to have a job, to be working, to travel,
like she really defends herself as an individual woman who's
also a mother. And I didn't catch that in two
thousand three. No, I didn't either, but she did. She
did such a badass job of that well. And the
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only two people that see Nathan's vulnerabilities ever are deb
and Haley. I mean the scenes going scene to scene
where he's so sweet with you, Joy, oh my god,
you and him in the car or just darling, and
then and then to see him become such a jackass
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in the next scene. But it's just what we were
saying when we were watching back was that it's only
Jane could do this, because James intrinsically is just such
a great person, such a good man, that he managed
to play this character that was such a jerk and
so confused because of what he's been taught by his parents,
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and yet still be vulnerable and it was still kind
of manipulate if he was using his vulnerability even though
he was being honest to manipulate hatey. But it doesn't
come off as sociopathic. Yeah, he just comes off as
confused because I think a lot of guys, I mean,
think about the guys that are like on TV right
now or whatever in those shows, like it would have
been hard to cast someone absolutely and I think if
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you'd cast someone who in real life was a dick
or was a manipulator, you just there would have been
no redemption for Nathan and what and James bringing himself
to that part and his his kindness and his grounded nous,
It's like you could see through the Nathan Scott armor
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and in way. It let him play someone who was
cruel better than I've seen most villains be villains. Yeah,
you really felt I felt bad for him. It's the
Brook thing from last episode. You know, it's like, here's
all my bravado. I'm gonna be real hard and I'm
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gonna say things that are shocking. Um. And then also
but inside, I'm I just want somebody to hug me.
These are kids that didn't get hugged enough. Yeah, you know,
and there's something about that, Oh God, like talk about
a cringe moment in this episode. You know, the game ends,
and then Nathan invites Lucas to this party, right, we
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think it's an olive branch and everybody's there, and and
you know, Haley and Lucas show up in the tow truck,
and you know, there's the pretend meat and we're like, oh,
what's gonna happen, What's gonna happen? And then we start
playing Never have I ever actually play that in high school? No,
I don't think that I had never really been to
a house party. I think once in my life I
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just was I was a really I had an interesting childhood,
but drinking champagne joy Yeah, you were like a working actor.
Not when I was fifteen and sixteen, I was still
like in high school, just normal neighborhood kid, and I
hadn't been to I remember shooting that scene and being like, oh,
so this is what a house party feels. Really. What
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was your typical weekend in high school? Like, what did
that look like for each of you guys? I just
hung out with friends and I was usually involved in
some kind of theater, something was going on with with
the arts. Um, yeah, ride my bike. I mean my
parents were it was very eighties parenting, like go here,
here's a stick, here's your bike here, like go outside
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of you, like out in California. You guys going to
beach parties. No, oh my gosh, that's like so funny
to me. I rarely, I really ever went to the
beach once my family was in Pasadena. It's just like
traffic here is horrible. Um. But but similarly, joy, you know,
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I was, I was doing a lot of theater and
so I was always you know, in a play at
a rehearsal. And my school was so small and being
an all girls school, you know, we we didn't bring
boys from the all boys schools in the neighborhood in
so we played all the parts. Um yeah, the girls
played everything, our our our theater director and Sophia that
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informs so much about who you are. Tell me, Oh yeah,
I like slipped back my hair like Charlotte and that
sex in the City episode when she gets her portrait
taken like a man. Um Oh, I loved it. I
loved it. And it was actually really interesting. We had
this incredible theater director, this man named Tim Wright, who
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is unfortunately no longer with us, who honestly changed my
life and taught me so much about storytelling. And you know,
he taught us about historical Shakespeare and how at the
time it was thought to be scandalous to have a
woman in the theater, so back then the men played
women's parts. And he was talking about this sort of,
you know, honestly reclamation of the theatrical space with all
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of us as women playing all these parts and doing
all the tech and learning how to light. And I
was the prop master on so many plays and it
was so fun. And then my senior year we kind
of had a more typical experience. Um, all of a sudden,
I think because people finally had driver's licenses, and you know,
we all finally um could be mobile, and we started,
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like my one of my friends and I started dating
these two best friends. I had been in love with
my you know, childhood sweetheart from camp since I was nine,
and then my senior year in high school, I started
dating this boy. He looked exactly like Paul Walker, good God,
and him and his best friend went to an all
boys school on the West Side, and so then it
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was like, oh, We're going to see our boyfriends at
a West Side party tonight, and we well, we were
so innocent and silly, but we felt like grown ups,
like the way I think we were saying we felt
when we got to Wilmington's and we looked back and
we're like, oh my god, we were babies, but like
we thought we knew what we were doing. My senior
year in high school, I was like, I am like
officially a teenager anything, but I would go to these
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we would have these house parties, um that the boys
would throw, and we felt so cool, and really we
just stood around and like everyone was staring at each
other trying to figure out who was going to talk first. Yeah,
what do we know? How does this work? Virgin was
all house parties. You guys like football games, basketball games, Like,
I don't know. Did we do it for soccer in
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the spring? Probably not? Um track team, Oh, the track
team was hot. We track team had parties. I don't
know anything about this. Any excuse, right, excuse in Virginia
to have a house party was happening, and so like, yeah,
a lot of house parties. I remember, like my boyfriend
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in high school was a bad kid, and I remember
being in a basement and someone was smuggling alcohol through
the basement window and those little narrow windows at the top.
Me being the clean teen at the party, and like
head of the clean is like, who is doing this?
And it's my boyfriend and he we were like went
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into the tree house in the backyard and had a
very like Nathan Haley conversation where I was like, what
are you doing? Are you just trying to be cool
for these people? And he was like, Babe, I'm only
drinking orange juice. And now I know he's like totally
spiked with the podcast, but at the time I'm like, oh,
I guess that's not so bad. But when we shot
this stuff, I remember being all high on my horse
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like why are all the lights on? This is a
dumb party? And Rand like this, how you knew? You
know what? You know what? And I have to say,
the star of the episode was Peyton. Peyton was the
star of this episode front because in that same way
of knowing, of just like having the ability to see
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beyond what what's going on directly around you. But I
don't know a lot of kids that we're that introspective
in high school and capable of asking questions like are
we going to turn out like deb and Karen? I mean,
what high schooler has the wherewithal to ask themselves that question?
And I love that about Peyton. I think that's one
of the major things that the audience connected with about
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her and the wherewith all as well. In that breakup
scene with Nathan, to stand so firmly in yourself and
he's trying to, you know, do the like oh baby,
I'm sorry business, and when you say you basically call
Nathan out for his behavior with Haley, and you say,
whatever you're doing there is messed up. And if you
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aren't doing something there, it's messed up essentially because you're
stringing her along, and for a girl in high school,
to look at her boyfriend and say, you're either flirting
with that girl for real, or you're flirting with her
to manipulate her. In either way, you're a bad guy.
That's not something, especially in that era, that we were
encouraged to do. It was like, who's flirting with my boyfriend?
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It wasn't maybe he's a bad dude. I wonder what
made them strike that tone in this episode because dem
is not threatened or weirded out by Karen and Peyton's
not threatened or weirded out by Haley. Um. They were
clearly trying to make a strong note about like, you know,
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we're not in competition with one another, that it's such
a beautiful thing. And then I'm like, well what happened?
Because I was when did we start calling each other whores?
As like terms of my dear man on the show?
You know, it's a weird deal. You know. The whole
vibrator thing made us all like, ubar, did you were
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you like that in high school? Though? Hillary? Um, with
that that introspective and the ability to stand up and
tell people what's what? And I mean was that in
you I was super confrontational. Um. I think that the
things that were more important to me in high school
were um like like the movie Boys Don't Cry came
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out and Girl Interrupted came out and I read the
bell jar and so there was like a firestorm of
teenage girl mental health. Um also like gay straight alliance
kind of stuff. All of that stuff was very important
to me. And I knew that I was leaving for
New York, so it didn't matter who I piste off.
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And and and I feel like Peyton has her friendship
with Brooke but isn't really connected to anyone else, so
might also carry a lot of that, like we don't
care who we piss off. It's interesting because I realized that.
And and this is something I've been you know, learning
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to expand for myself, even as an adult. But when
I think back, it's always been really easy for me,
on behalf of others to not care who I piss off,
to defend people, to stand up for people, but not
to do it for myself. And I I think I
really see some of that in Brooke. You know, we
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were all talking about this after the last episode. You know,
I think Hillary, you said it, you said, I always
got the sense that Brooke was actually a virgin and
I think so too, And I think that that what
what resonated with me about her was a girl who
only was taught to validate herself by other people's opinions
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and by charming other people and by being attractive to boys,
and so she would make herself the butt of the joke,
like she bit on the vibrator joke. And then that's
a horrible thing to say. She took the bait. I'm
so sorry she took the bait on that joke. I'm like,
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I have a coffee, I'll drink this. Um. You know,
she took she took the bait on that, And then
I think, like the sort of shame and the desire
to be liked. Then she leans into it and goes, okay,
so you know my turn. Never have I ever Oh no,
I did that to make everyone laugh, And and that
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moment of saying it and then looking around to see
if people thought it was funny, like seeing myself make
that choice for her then really broke my heart. Just again,
such good casting, because it would have been easy to
do that, you know, there's it just would have been
easy to play it the other way and one dimensional
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and just you know, but you really had that you
know what you were doing? Thanks, Yeah, She's list And
that's what I want viewers to do in this rewatch
is to question every choice, like was Brooke Davis really
fast and easy? You know, like like what is the
reality of these things? Because what we're saying is one thing,
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But how we're behaving that's what we were able to control.
You couldn't control the dialogue, but how we said you're right,
that's where we could find our power. Like we couldn't
get away from some of the things that were written
for us to do, but there were moments where we
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could be more ourselves, moments where we could subvert the
obvious and and it I will say it means so
much to all of us, with all you listening at home,
those have always been the moments that the fans have
loved the most. And and I love that we were
able to, even in the midst of trying to figure
out what the hell we were doing, like fun and
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these find these moments. I want to talk about Joy's hat. Yes, okay,
will you tell people what the backstory of the hat is?
Come on, okay, look here I have to I have
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to preface this by saying that there is a possibility
that I've created this scenario in my mind because I
hated the hat so much. But I don't think. What
I remember my recollection of this is that I was
given this hat. I did not like this hat. I
hated this hat. I was given this hat and told
you have to wear this hat. And I was told
later UM that the person who chose the hat for me,
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UM chose it because it looked like a penis hat,
like the top of a penis, and they thought it
was literally on it. Yeah, and they thought it was
funny to make Hayley look like she was like had
her head had like a penis on her head. I
and I hated the hat so much. Did they tell
you this right away? It wasn't way later. It was
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way later because it would always pop up and we'd
see images of it. Because it's like, I don't know
why this hat keeps showing up. I keep see I
see photos of it for years. I've seen like it's
the because it's so terrible. I think probably it's like well,
and also there's that beautiful scene with the two of
you in the car. You know, we've talked about it
from Nathan's side, But what you the vulnerability that Haley
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leans into and the softness that you gave her, and
the humor and the cracking jokes, but also the bashfulness.
It was so innocent and beautiful, right, She's bashful and
it happens in that freaking hat for a lot of it.
A lot of it happens in the hat and then
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you know, you finally take it off on the car ride.
But I think that's part of it because it's the
that's where the seed of Nathan and Haley was planted,
was in freaking hat. Yeah, does the same? Do you
take the hat off? It's like it's like she's all that,
you know, Like you're a beautiful girl. Your chin in
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that car sane joy, just your little like chin dimple
and your little pout and you're like your eyes and
you can tell that you're listening to him, like you're
really listening. It is so like Aerial from Little Mermaid
and the Red Hair. They needed the hat to like
dress you down, you know, so it's not so on
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the nose and like these two are going to end
up together. All they could do is put a stupid
hat on when they put Rachel Lee cook in glasses, right, Yeah,
I agree, I think. I mean, it could have just
been that, and then maybe the penis story came up later.
I mean that also could have been them like editing
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history where after they watch it and Daily's they're like,
she looks like a dick. It could have been. It
could have been. But I did love the show pop up.
I remember them about the poncho. That was the other thing,
the poncho. I think I chose the poncho. I think
that was my choice, my bad choice. I made some
very questionable wardrobe choices throughout the years, but I guess
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it always kind of worked for Haley. Ma'am. I was
wearing a buckle across my chest in this episode, So
tell me about it. You gotta keep those things locked up,
my god, Like I buckled myself into my shirt for
what Yeah, nineties nineties fashion left it like kept kept
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creeping into the two thousands. Yeah, the tail end was
really brutal. M hmm. I like that you and Sarah Edwards,
who played Teresa, were kind of wearing the same thing.
It was tells a story that all the cheerleaders have
a uniform um and then they put Peyton in a turtleneck.
You know, how can we be the antithesis of this um?
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It also kind of put Brooke in the queen bee
category that she was and that like there was. It
just subconsciously put a little like want to be like her?
You know, that's so interesting. We had your cronies. Best crony.
Best crony of the episode goes to Tim Brett that
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he really had that Joey Triviani thing going on. Yes,
he is so good and like we all thought he
was so funny then, but as an adult to watch him,
I'm like, man, his comic timing is just so on
point at the door, you're caught the entire physical nature
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of his comedy. That ends with him weirdly just knocking
on the house because he doesn't know what else to do.
So brilliant, he takes my breath away. But do you
know they always gave him the hardest job because we
all had real lines, Like we had lines on a
piece of paper that we were supposed to recite, and
they would wait till the end of the day and
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all of our coverage, and then they would get Brett's
coverage and they'd give him two takes and they'd be like,
all right, Brett, just improvise, and it's everyone's standing there
watching you, like the sun is rising, you know, there's
like a clock ticking, and Brett would just have to
go and he's so good at it. He just knew,
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he knew who Tim was. Yeah, he really got some
skills on that. And by the way, skills like the
opening scene when we're at the basketball game and he's running,
he does this like fake out dribble between his legs
so seamlessly. I was like, oh my god, Brett was
like a really good basketball player. I forgot. Yeah. I
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think they all were like legit basketball players except for Chad,
who was a football boy. Right, yeah, I guess. So. Yeah,
did we talk about that in the last episode, this
shot that he had to make in the in the court?
I know we talked about it on the zone, but
I don't know. I mean, yeah, that was tough for
him because he was he was definitely a football guy
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and you know, good at it from from what I
know from what I heard, But it's just such a
different it's a completely different sport. It's totally different skill set.
Like if I had to do gymnastics, I'm good at
other stuff, guys. But yeah, you know, everything we did
involved a ton of extras, like these big party scenes,
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the big basketball scenes, and we were all really young actors,
so we were having to make decisions in front of
a live audience on set and then like hope that
when it aired two weeks later, because our turnaround was
so fast that people liked it. Um getting feedback that
people didn't like, Peyton it was so you got feedback
(23:49):
that people didn't like because remember we were supposed to
be a mid season replacement, so we were used to
bank all of our episodes before we ever aired. And
then there was was it was a Rachel Lee cook
show that Warner Brothers decided like, you know what, this
isn't ready. We're not going to do this right now.
Let's just put One Tree Hill on on in September.
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And we'd only been filming since July, so we'd only
banked like three episodes when our show started airing, and
and very quickly the feedback came in like what's this
bitch so MOPy about? You know? And I think maybe
that was a blessing because it's certainly made me aware
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of how as being perceived, which put me right back
in high school, like you're totally aware of what everyone
around you was saying, the rumor mill it was. It
was humbling. It's hard too because we we were young,
and of course, I mean, gosh, as an adult, you
want to be liked. As a kid, you want to
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be liked so badly, and you want to do a
good job, and especially on our first jobs. And I well,
if I remember that, I remember how uncomfortable it made
me feel because Brooke was put in a position where
she granted performatively and to try to feel any kind
of validation because she didn't have it from her family
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and you know, all the all the aspects of her
back story, she was very sexualized. And then I felt
like I was being very sexualized, and it made me
so uncomfortable. This this sort of like yeah, this like, oh,
you're a bad girl, And I was like, I just
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I play this girl on TV and I don't know
who I am yet. I remember that too, Sophia, because
I didn't a lot of the press that we started
doing after the show. It was like you were always
expected to be wearing the super short skirt, the you know,
the cleavage thing. Remember the photo shoot that we did
that was like in a garbage dump or something. Me
(26:00):
like had Yes, it was that weird race trashsh Yeah,
I still have something up in my crap about it,
like I'm so mad. It was like we'd worked so
hard to get here, so hard to get here first
(26:21):
big photo shoot and don't yeah, I'm so glad you
brought that like a salvage yard kind of a place.
But there was something that was like on a race track,
and the race track was really cute and that was
fun stuff. And then they were like, come over here
in short skirts and stand in front of a pile
of trash and I was like no, yeah, by the way, Hillary,
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do you remember we were side by side and one
of those shots that day and they handed you a
hose and you just like pointed it at the ground.
They wanted you to be hosing me down and you
didn't do it, and I just like froze and you
were like no, And I remember just looking around like
is this what's expected of me? And we didn't obviously,
(27:05):
like we wouldn't let we didn't let them keep the
water on, but like that idea, essentially, they were like
trying to shoot a wet t shirt contest, and I
was like, I don't want to do this at all,
especially in a pile of trash. Gross words. Oh my god,
(27:27):
totally forgotten about that, and I'm so glad you brought
it up because a metaphor for how we were treated
the whole time. Guys, we're gonna give you a photo spread.
It's gonna be a cover. It's made of trash. What
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was your first experience of like getting feedback, because I
feel like we started to get it right around this episode. Uh,
I don't know. I mean I know that what I
remember was that there were message boards. Um that was
still like there was still dial up I think at
that time. I don't remember, but it was definitely like
my Space and message boards, and it was not not
(28:13):
fancy or slick or pretty or anything. So you'd just
go find your show on a message board and then
just like search your name or look for whatever people were,
whatever the topics were. Um, I don't remember. I could
make something up, but I just don't remember. I didn't know.
That's good. That means it wasn't traumatic, No, it wasn't.
I don't I was concerned with what people thought. I
(28:36):
think it probably did inform what I things that I
maybe fought for I didn't fight for, but um, I
wish I had a memory of it. I don't, But
you do you remember seeing things that people didn't like?
Did it? Did it affect you when you went to
work the next week or the next day, or were
you like trying to make different choices? How did it
affect you? I was certainly concerned about storyline, you know,
(28:57):
because the show I signed up for was one thing,
it evolved into this other thing that's like making vibrator
jokes with teenage girls and like staying out drinking all
night you know, um, even though the lights are all on. Um.
It uh. Definitely gave me like a lot of anxiety,
(29:19):
especially because our bosses were aware of it, Like they
brought it up to me. They're like, man, everybody hates you,
you know, we're not sure how to like circle back
and get them to like you. But they really like
the other girls a lot better. And so there was
a part of me also that was like, well, maybe
I lean into this. Like, you know, the first lesson
they teach you in acting school is the bad guy
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doesn't know they're the bad guy. So there certainly was
a part of season one where I'm like, oh, I'm
the bad guy, like I guess I didn't realize that
when I auditioned for the show, but I'm the bad guy.
And that made it a lot easier to do questionable things,
you know, to just like lean into this early. That's
(30:03):
so interesting that you felt like the bad guy. That's
like the beginning of it all to the beginning of
the separation, the segregation of the three of us of like,
you know, the idea that you're somehow unliked and the
rest and the end you know that somehow you're the
you're the odd man out well, and there was always something,
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there was always a little earworm they'd give us right like, oh, well,
you know this was good. But you know what they
really liked was when she did that, and you know
who's really good is Sophia shirt. It's like, you know,
they wanted us to feel like if if you know,
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any of anyone else was succeeding, we were failing. Was
how we were made to feel, rather than you guys
are all doing a really good job, and like, here's
what your strengths are, and we're really proud of you.
That that certainly was not. Isn't it crazy? How indirect
like opposite from the storyline of the show. It is
like you Devi and Karen and you've got Peyton Haley
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like all kumbaya, like this is awesome. But then the
behind the scenes what was that show? That that e
true Hollywood story? Everything? Yeah, behind the scenes was so different.
So it's crazy that the same brains were coordinating. But
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you know what's interesting to me is when I think
about the fact that there was such a huge conflict
between Lucas and Nathan, and in so many high school shows,
the conflict is between the girls, but the conflict with
the kids was between the boys. So in a way,
in the beginning, they wrote us very atypically. They kind
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of switched the traditional gender roles, and later as the
as the boys repaired their relationship, they created rifts with
the girls. And later they also started taking things from
our real lives and putting them in the shows in
very manipulative ways, because you know, there were I was
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just gonna say, though, that's like a great point that
they wrote us as like nineties boys. What nineties boy
would be your character? Oh that's interesting? Oh God, watching friends,
like like who was who was the b Arthur of
nineties boys? Like for myself? You mean you as a
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person or like as would have been? Who was like
the nineties boy of I think you're totally right, Sophia.
They wrote you as like the Paul Walker. You know
what I mean what I was going to say, I
was the Pacy. You think I'm the Paul Walker. That's
so flattering. Anny Blues just like sex on the washing
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machine and I'm a fun on the stone. Yeah, like
the like the party boy m hm yeah yeah, wow.
She kind of was the captain of the football team, yes,
the alpha. Okay, So who's the boy? Who's loves? Who's hey?
I didn't watch like nine O two n oh, but
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I feel like there's somebody in there. I mean there's
strong Josh Jackson vibes. I think like super Frank, I
could live on a boat. Yeah, like boy next Door
but no bs. Yeah, childhood love. I still think that
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Sad Haley and Lucas energy is just so latent and prime.
So who's yours? Who's your who's your nineties? I don't
know what I'm afraid of is that I'm like, were
you Luke Perry. Were you Dylan? I think I think
you were. I think you were Dylan. Guys, I watched
Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie with my son, and
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I was like, oh my god, I didn't want to
be Buffy. I wanted to be Luke Perry. How was
my angst? Yeah, well that feels really appropriate because as
a as a young teen myself, I didn't know if
I wanted to be Luke Perry or date Luke Perry.
And I feel like Brooke doesn't know if she wants
to be painting her dater. So that's It's so because
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over the years, so many people have come up to
us and talked about sexuality and being teenage girls. And
while we were so worried about being painted as these
like little sex puppets for men, you know, what I
didn't realize is um how much energy people were picking
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up on, you know, for a whole rainbow of preferences
and seeing it in myself in this episode, you know,
I kind of guessed when Peyton comes or is like
hanging out with Haley outside of the bathroom, because I
was like, is Peyton flirting with Haley? It was like
I'm watching a totally different person, but I was also
enamored with you Joy, and so maybe yeah, probably just
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like you growl, you're trying to get out of here
high school. It's hormones are all trying to figure out,
like who are we? And what what is? What do
I do with all these hormones? And how do I
feel about this? And I think the reality is that
what you see on screen. I mean, my god, we
were watching the episode and we were like, oh, the
vibes are strong, the vibes are strong in the bathroom hallway,
And I think the truth of the matter and and
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you know, the reality even when we think about all
of our lives behind the scenes, As you said, it's
messy because you are a young person trying to figure
out what attraction means. You know, now, as an adult,
I'm like, oh my god, I'm attracted to the brains
and intellects and spirits of all of my friends and
(36:00):
of you know, I have writing crushes on people. But
when you're a teenager, you're just like, well, a crush
as a crush as a crush. You don't know the
difference between what makes you drawn to a person, and
and that I think is about that era of figuring
it out. And I think that's why, even though our
show was um very binary at the time and because
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of who it was written by, I think so many people,
as you mentioned, with a you know, spectrum of preferences,
felt represented by us anyway, because as we were still
representing that curiosity and that finding of ourselves regardless of
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where our characters found themselves, which to your point, Sophia,
that we at that age, you know, we're all we
are all trying to figure out where where we fit
and where we belong. And um, so so much of
how we've that I was by what we watch and
what we see around us. You know, the shows that
we consume as young people make a huge impact in that,
(37:08):
which again goes back to parenting, which is why parenting
is so important. That you know, it's not you're not
just getting all your information from TV, because God, I mean,
my idea of romance and attraction is what I thought
relationships should be like and prejudice joy, what was what
was your what was your like dream romance as a teenager?
(37:33):
Oh my gosh, well the Princess Bride of course, couldn't
expectations get any higher? And you know, any of those
great rom comes my best friend's wedding, which is super
bittersweeten like not the kind of way that you want
to model your you know, um, but yeah, but it's
(37:56):
like you need you need. That's why parents are so important.
Why I'm so greatful that we had you know, Keith
doing some great parenting in this show, in this episode,
for sure, I mean, let's talk about that that. I
mean Karen Karen also you know, giving great advice and
deb was trying, but Nathan didn't seem to really listen.
But um, I loved that Keith was like, I'm not
(38:17):
letting you kids just run riot and get away with anything.
I'm gonna make some phone calls and you guys have
to own up to your responsibilities. Yeah it's nice to
see that. Yeah, it was so nice to see the
adults in the room forced them to deal with the
mess they'd made the night before. And yeah, Keith, by
the way, like, had we seen him interact with Nathan
(38:38):
at any point? Yeah, like the first thing we see
him like other girls, Yeah, he probably had like Christmas
with this kid when he was little. They've had to
stay with each other at Thanksgiving and so for him
to call and rat him out and be like, if
your dad won't parent you, I will parent you. Yeah. Yeah,
(39:02):
And and and to not only demand that these kids
learn something and behave uh, even if not in the moment,
in the aftermath, with modicum of respect. And then you
see deb you know, when she gets into it with Dan,
and Dan says, well, he's a good kid, you know,
(39:24):
and she tells him what he did, and she says,
a good kid based on what is scoring average? And
it's like, do you even know what's going on with
your kid or are you just concerned with his performance?
You're so Sophia. I think about a lot of the
other shows are a lot of shows I see now
with teenagers, And sorry if I sound like an old lady,
but like they're so disrespectful. Yeah, they're so disrespectful. And
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that you're right. There was at least a lot of
the kids on our show they when they were speaking
to an adult there that that respect was still represented
and if they were disrespectful, they got called on it,
which I think is so important. And and when we
took it a step farther and said, you know, what's
motivating them, what's hurting them? You know, deb throwing that
(40:10):
in Dan's face. She was like, you're paying attention to
what he's doing, not how he is. And that hits
different for me now. It makes me want to see
more of Debt, more of death, more death. How can
we get more of Barbara Allen Woods? Yeah? I think
(40:31):
what's cool is that if this script came across our desks,
like right now, I like the women, the deb and
Karen are like, this would be something we'll be like, yeah, yeah,
that sounds neat. Um okay, so it was not lost
on us. I don't know. We've crashed the comment how
(40:52):
many times? How many times? Though? Actually need to know?
Somebody has to find out. Yeah, because we don't know
because I forgot the Nathan crashed it. I know I
crashed it once. Did Luke crash it at some point?
I don't? I feel like maybe I feel like that
that poor car really got harmed? Often were they kept
(41:15):
two on the lot. We had Steve Thompson's and that
was our alpha car. He worked in our camera department. Um,
that was the one we never hurt. Yeah, that was
the one that drove. There was this other car that
just it was like the punching bag that we you know,
(41:37):
had to keep kind of looking like the comment. But
then I heard that the comment got sold, and I
would see people post about like, oh, I bought the comment,
and I'm like, which, what? Which is it? The one
we crashed into a telephone ball? Because if so, I
am sorry. Sorry, guys, I will admit that sometimes I
(42:00):
go on classic car websites and shock for that you do.
I should have bought it. I think you deserve it.
Steve Offord to sell it to me when I first
left the show, but it was it was too new,
you know what I mean, Like I couldn't have it
sit in my driveway. No, it was like yeah, and
now I'm like, that's my car. Give me my car back,
(42:22):
Damn I want it one of these days. Okay. So really,
what this is is a call out if anybody's listening,
and it happens to be an excellent internet sleuth. And
I know y'all are out there because you find things
like pictures of joy and a penis hat, you turn
them up all the time, you guys. Somebody out there,
I'm sorry in a green hat. Please don't don't photoshop
(42:44):
the thing I just said, don't do that. Keep it classy,
Keep it classy, Internet friends, but in your classy searches
of iconic One Tree Hill history. If someone finds a
comment on the Internet, please email us the link to
a drama queen's email address. We would like to see
it and perhaps a place an anonymous bid. Can I
(43:06):
can I drop my son off at school? In Peyton's comment,
well be I also sort of love the idea, you know,
since this is our two point oh adventure, like, why
can't you paint it white? Paint it red? Like you
Mary Kay pink. Let's get real drama quick. You can
(43:30):
do whatever you want. You can have your version of
her car, all right, John a Queen's and I heart
radio dot com. Someone's going to find me a comment
and we want to know how many times the comment
was crashed? Yes, yeah, tell us two pieces of information
we could use from you our friends out there. Word
who wants to do superlatives? Are we doing most likely
(43:51):
to most likely to? I really need to get the
sound of a drum roll for these moments because I
feel like the keep getting most likely to get married
in Vegas? Interesting? Okay, so we should have a real
life option and then a character option. What do we think?
(44:13):
I think the person who is most likely to get
married in Vegas is definitely Tim. Oh, sweet Tim. He
would just take whatever he could get, sweet baby. Yeah, Tim,
definitely Yeah? Yeah right? Any cheerleaders? Yeah, I don't know that.
(44:36):
I disagree with that. I don't know that I can
come up with another one. Yeah, I agree. I think
that's great. Okay, but who in real life? Like, who's
the most impulsive member of our gang? I'm trying to
think of anyone did get married in Vegas? Did did anyone?
I would? You? Would? You would? Yeah? Oh you would
(44:59):
like a lope with a pair of cowboy boots on
under your dress and just like do it? Yeah, I
would do it. Are we going to solicit for that
on the internet? To everybody who should Joy date? Yes? Yes, yeah, fine?
I love this mark the first not the first wedding.
You don't want your first wedding in Vegas. But if
you're gonna have a second one, go to Vegas. The
(45:21):
courthouser to Vegas. Aren't we going to Vegas soon? Joy?
That's right? Okay. So I have to find someone to marry,
someone who I want to marry within the next, like
your type, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, design your type
right now. Oh ge whiz oh gee Willoker. You're like,
(45:43):
oh my gosh. But some we're gonna blow on the dice.
I just want, like I just want like a nice
tall Christian cowboys like coal Houser on yellow Stone. It
just plus some Jesus, you know, like that Johnny Cash
kind of Jesus. I want somebody who's a little bit
(46:04):
rouchy and rough, but also it's a big teddy Bearn's side.
And um, Alan Jackson smart, he's got to be real smart,
Like I gotta have a really good conversations that it
kills me if that's not and I gotta laugh. I
gotta make me laugh. Um a right guinea cowboy coming
to Vegas, Irish Lumberjack to anybody, I don't I don't
(46:29):
want to like weed out the rest of the world. Okay,
so I can see that. But what you're saying is
you like rural it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, I used
to say when when I was on the market, I
used to say, I'm just this is hard, but I
need someone who can go rugged too. Red carpet, like
(46:51):
you got to run the ranch and you have to
be able to drop into a tuxt with me because
we have things to go to. And that's so fine.
You know, if you say any kind of when I
date someone and they like don't quite know how to
dress for a carpet, it's kind of sweet, your sneak.
(47:12):
All it takes is two birthdays and a Christmas and
you can make over anywhere. Two birthdays. You're good at that.
You're like, I'll think she don't worry, like just weary.
This okay. So we know that our angel, Brett clay
(47:35):
Well's character Tim is probably gonna go to Vegas, and
that feels right to all of us. Um, and then
you know, Joy will see what happens in September. Hey,
I'll be there. You know. If you're like a nice
Christian cowboy who's like tough and smart and you know, grouchy,
meet me in Vegas. Make sure make sure your jeans
are tight, sir. But until aren't you pleasant? I don't
(47:57):
believe you. Yeah, exactly, you gotta be. You gotta do
a little cranky. But until we meet this grouchy, cranky cowboy.
We do have some listener questions in the meantime. Um.
The first one comes in from our friend Jacob, who says,
my two best friends Courtney and Marissa and I are
going to Wilmington's for our vacation to sight see all
(48:17):
the one Tree Hill sites. We enjoyed making a list
of things and are even using things from your podcast
to add to it. Kitty's are there any hidden gems
you guys would suggest? Well? Lee tipped everyone off to
the Brasserie last week? Yeah, what about that? Is the
tea room on on Water Street? Still there? Who you guys?
(48:40):
I think that's up for sale. That's the listing I
sent you. So we have this. We have the secret
dream of getting a shop together like the three of us,
and so I scour real estate listings and then send
them to these two at two o'clock in the morning.
It's my favorite thing. What about the right next to it,
there's a friend place. I want to say, It's like,
(49:02):
look contiliar Catalan, the Catalan. That's they've got a good
They've got a good. Like um, what's it with the
hot dog wrapped in a croissant and they starve it
with mustard like a pig in a blanket. But it's friend.
It has a fancy Oh my god, I love it,
(49:23):
those those little spots downtown. I will say, what I
know will always be there that you must go to
is kill Wins ice Cream, especially because it's going to
be summer. The smell it, you can smell the waffle
cones cooking from outside. Literally my mouth is watering thinking
about it. The air chocolate chip cookie dough is the
best ice cream I've ever had in my life, so
toast it's just so good. Please go have some for us. Um,
(49:48):
go to the Brasserie for that mac and cheese that
is Leon Norris's favorite. And you must go to Wrightsville
Beach because it's again the summertime, and be because Tower
seven is there, and that those tacos and for shopping.
Go to the edge of Earth. Is that still there?
It was totally still there. And they've also got a
(50:09):
location in Raleigh. Um, I think we all know I'm
going to talk about the bar scene. Blue Post is
the spot. You know, we were friends with the owners
when we were there, still friends with the owners in fact.
So over the Christmas break, Jeffrey had to shoot a
movie and they shot the entire movie without him, like
(50:31):
in l A or somewhere else. And then they just
had to shoot his coverage. They had like a body
double for him, so I literally just needed to shoot
his coverage. And we were in the Outer Banks and
they were like, we'll meet you in Wilmington. We need
a bar, but everything's closed for COVID, so where like
where can we shoot? And so I called Barbara Wheaton,
(50:53):
the owner of Blue Post, and was like, yo, girl,
my Husban's got to do a movie. Can they your
And she was like, oh my god. Yes. So they
opened it up for this you know, this production. Um,
but it will only be Jeffrey's side. Oh my god.
So it was really cool. I think they actually they
(51:14):
had to double like sand dunes in the desert and
so they drove off to Carolina Beach in the middle
of the night and cheated the beach for the desert,
which is that's the magic of movie making. Magic. Yeah,
Go Post is great and Yosaki like karaoke was so
so fun. And if you go to Blue Post, look
(51:35):
for our look for our little placards because Blue Post
has a beer list. You will not get through it
in three days. Our friend Jacob and Courtney and Marissa,
but it took us all a while. I think it's
like sixty four beers or something, and some of them
are discussing on purpose, and you have to drink all
of them, and then you get a little placard on
the wall with you do it. Of course I did it.
(51:58):
I did that. I did it. I was like, oh yeah,
oh yeah. I was like, give me, give me all
the beers. Let's do this. I want to leave my
mark on Wilton in this bar. Your face has painted
on the side of the studio, but you're like a
little placard on that post. And I think they're like,
they're honestly like little plastic name tags that just get
(52:21):
hot glued to the wall. Baby, someone stole yours, I
would be so sad that felt in my name. If you,
if you did steal it, give it back. If you
stole it, please return it. Thank you, thank you very much. Yeah,
whoever bought that should honestly sell it to you. That
would be a nice thing for them. Guys. They like
(52:41):
shifted across the ocean, which is a huge compliment. It's
in Australia. I heard. Really that's a huge compliment that
someone wanted. So what I hear you saying is that
we also need to take our road show of drama
queens to Australia, and these people need to give us
a ride to our event eventually in your b So
(53:03):
if you'all could just get vaxed so we could come
and we would love it. Okay, what is next? Okay,
So we have a question from Katie. Katie says, if
you were the parent to Brook, Haley and Peyton and
or Peyton, what advice would you have given them to
help them get through high school? I mean, oh my god,
are we going to talk for another forty five minutes? Um? Atlanta? Um?
(53:28):
Should we just give advice for our characters, like as
our respective, like a parent to our characters? Yes, that
makes sense. I would have told Haley, um, it's okay
to make mistakes. Don't worry so much about about being
perfect and trying to control everything. Just let let yourself
(53:50):
be messy if you need to, and just experience, experiment
and experience life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I would tell Peyton, baby,
got the whole rest of your life to be a
grown up, you know, don't rush it, just be goofy.
I see, I see myself trying to be goofy in Peyton,
but she wasn't written as goofy and so I see
(54:12):
myself like slumping or like delivering lines kind of goofy
um and and yeah, I like when I see kids
just acting like dorks. I'd tell Payton to dork it up. Yeah,
I would want to give that that advice to Brook
also and actually enjoy. It's so funny. What comes to mind.
(54:33):
I don't know if you remember this, but remember when
we were in Wilmington's and you started asking us to
do those twenty questions answers for you my blog, and
you asked me to write advice to my younger self.
And it feels so right for Brooke, especially as we've
just unpacked some of her performative fear in this episode.
(54:56):
Um but but I remember saying, don't worry so much
about being someone else's definition of enough. You already are.
And I just would want for her to feel that
she was enough, that she didn't have to prove, or
live up to, or or convince anyone of anything. I
love that you guys are totally enough. You're more than
(55:23):
enough for me, you are. We hope you're having fun
with us, We hope you're learning some things, and you
know it's sparking conversations between you and your friends as well,
and we're just so grateful that you're tuning in. Thank
you for joining us for another episode of Drama Queens. Yeah,
next week we have episode five, all that you Can't
leave behind. I have no idea what's going to happen.
(55:44):
I'm here. I mean, Lucas is mad at Haley and
Nathan or on the verge of breaking up, and something's
going on with Brooken this next episode. I think too.
I have to are you're probably going to make a move.
Are you going to make a move on the boy?
Don't know, guys, I don't remember. Well, we're gonna find
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Guys. So much happens in episode four, actutely titled Crash
into You because crash, but I think the car crashing no,
don't go bad, Okay, crash into You is? Is this
an episode where Haley convinces Lucas to go with the
(00:22):
team to a party at Nathan's beach house, hoping that
the guys will become friendlier, which obviously it's not going
to happen. I think the car crash of my heart
is our finally being able to see deb Scott, Barbara
Alan Woods. She is such a babe, such a babe,
and such a good mom, such a good mom, like
(00:43):
really trying to you know. She sees the problem with
her son. She doesn't quite how to fix it, but
she sees it. And she's not just like going along
with every craziness that Dan is showing us. Well, and
how like Dan Scott has been situated firmly in this
show so to find a woman to go toe to
toe with him but also still like kiss him in
(01:05):
the kitchen. You know, she is able to do that
with such ease, you know. And she came into a
cast that was already working together, it's right, and they
did such a beautiful job of establishing I forgot that
there was intimacy between Dan and Death, like the way
they hug each other in the kitchen and he goes, oh,
(01:25):
is that my wife? And there's this whole dynamic and
and Barb played so many levels in this episode so
flawlessly to to have that romance with him, to challenge
him to be observing her, her changing teenage son, Oh
my god, when she calls him surly, Do you feel
(01:47):
like our parents ever said that about us? Surly? It
was a tall order for the character of deb though,
to be able to walk that line, to tow that
line of understanding why this woman would have married and
stayed with this man, and yet having her be sympathetic
and watching her walk walk into Karen's cafe and handle
(02:09):
that situation and just extend that all the branch in
the sort of awkward way that you know she did
and that grown ups would That was tough. I feel
like I could see when she walked in and she's
like a coffee oh uh and a b scotti, and
then she goes to leave, and You're like, oh no,
she's losing it. She's losing it. She's chickening. Out and
(02:29):
then they suddenly have this beautiful conversation. I mean, really,
what we are is the Barbara Allen Woods fan club.
She wears the pants in this episode, which which you
know watching it as an adult lady, Now I'm like, yeah, girl,
put on as an adult. What hit me was their
(02:50):
whole conversation when she talks about how Nathan is is
obviously suffering or struggling, and Dan tries to blame her
and says it's because you're working and you're gone, and
she says, I'm gone at max ten days a month,
and and he's pressuring her if you were home, if
you spent more time with him, and she claims her identity,
(03:11):
her career, that she deserves to have both to be
a mom, to have a job, to be working, to travel,
like she really defends herself as an individual woman who's
also a mother. And I didn't catch that in two
thousand three. No, I didn't either, but she did. She
did such a badass job of that well. And the
(03:32):
only two people that see Nathan's vulnerabilities ever are deb
and Haley. I mean the scenes going scene to scene
where he's so sweet with you, Joy, oh my god,
you and him in the car or just darling, and
then and then to see him become such a jackass
(03:54):
in the next scene. But it's just what we were
saying when we were watching back was that it's only
Jane could do this, because James intrinsically is just such
a great person, such a good man, that he managed
to play this character that was such a jerk and
so confused because of what he's been taught by his parents,
(04:15):
and yet still be vulnerable and it was still kind
of manipulate if he was using his vulnerability even though
he was being honest to manipulate hatey. But it doesn't
come off as sociopathic. Yeah, he just comes off as
confused because I think a lot of guys, I mean,
think about the guys that are like on TV right
now or whatever in those shows, like it would have
been hard to cast someone absolutely and I think if
(04:36):
you'd cast someone who in real life was a dick
or was a manipulator, you just there would have been
no redemption for Nathan and what and James bringing himself
to that part and his his kindness and his grounded nous,
It's like you could see through the Nathan Scott armor
(04:58):
and in way. It let him play someone who was
cruel better than I've seen most villains be villains. Yeah,
you really felt I felt bad for him. It's the
Brook thing from last episode. You know, it's like, here's
all my bravado. I'm gonna be real hard and I'm
(05:19):
gonna say things that are shocking. Um. And then also
but inside, I'm I just want somebody to hug me.
These are kids that didn't get hugged enough. Yeah, you know,
and there's something about that, Oh God, like talk about
a cringe moment in this episode. You know, the game ends,
and then Nathan invites Lucas to this party, right, we
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think it's an olive branch and everybody's there, and and
you know, Haley and Lucas show up in the tow truck,
and you know, there's the pretend meat and we're like, oh,
what's gonna happen, What's gonna happen? And then we start
playing Never have I ever actually play that in high school? No,
I don't think that I had never really been to
a house party. I think once in my life I
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just was I was a really I had an interesting childhood,
but drinking champagne joy Yeah, you were like a working actor.
Not when I was fifteen and sixteen, I was still
like in high school, just normal neighborhood kid, and I
hadn't been to I remember shooting that scene and being like, oh,
so this is what a house party feels. Really. What
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was your typical weekend in high school? Like, what did
that look like for each of you guys? I just
hung out with friends and I was usually involved in
some kind of theater, something was going on with with
the arts. Um, yeah, ride my bike. I mean my
parents were it was very eighties parenting, like go here,
here's a stick, here's your bike here, like go outside
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of you, like out in California. You guys going to
beach parties. No, oh my gosh, that's like so funny
to me. I rarely, I really ever went to the
beach once my family was in Pasadena. It's just like
traffic here is horrible. Um. But but similarly, joy, you know,
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I was, I was doing a lot of theater and
so I was always you know, in a play at
a rehearsal. And my school was so small and being
an all girls school, you know, we we didn't bring
boys from the all boys schools in the neighborhood in
so we played all the parts. Um yeah, the girls
played everything, our our our theater director and Sophia that
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informs so much about who you are. Tell me, Oh yeah,
I like slipped back my hair like Charlotte and that
sex in the City episode when she gets her portrait
taken like a man. Um Oh, I loved it. I
loved it. And it was actually really interesting. We had
this incredible theater director, this man named Tim Wright, who
(07:55):
is unfortunately no longer with us, who honestly changed my
life and taught me so much about storytelling. And you know,
he taught us about historical Shakespeare and how at the
time it was thought to be scandalous to have a
woman in the theater, so back then the men played
women's parts. And he was talking about this sort of,
you know, honestly reclamation of the theatrical space with all
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of us as women playing all these parts and doing
all the tech and learning how to light. And I
was the prop master on so many plays and it
was so fun. And then my senior year we kind
of had a more typical experience. Um, all of a sudden,
I think because people finally had driver's licenses, and you know,
we all finally um could be mobile, and we started,
(08:45):
like my one of my friends and I started dating
these two best friends. I had been in love with
my you know, childhood sweetheart from camp since I was nine,
and then my senior year in high school, I started
dating this boy. He looked exactly like Paul Walker, good God,
and him and his best friend went to an all
boys school on the West Side, and so then it
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was like, oh, We're going to see our boyfriends at
a West Side party tonight, and we well, we were
so innocent and silly, but we felt like grown ups,
like the way I think we were saying we felt
when we got to Wilmington's and we looked back and
we're like, oh my god, we were babies, but like
we thought we knew what we were doing. My senior
year in high school, I was like, I am like
officially a teenager anything, but I would go to these
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we would have these house parties, um that the boys
would throw, and we felt so cool, and really we
just stood around and like everyone was staring at each
other trying to figure out who was going to talk first. Yeah,
what do we know? How does this work? Virgin was
all house parties. You guys like football games, basketball games, Like,
I don't know. Did we do it for soccer in
(09:53):
the spring? Probably not? Um track team, Oh, the track
team was hot. We track team had parties. I don't
know anything about this. Any excuse, right, excuse in Virginia
to have a house party was happening, and so like, yeah,
a lot of house parties. I remember, like my boyfriend
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in high school was a bad kid, and I remember
being in a basement and someone was smuggling alcohol through
the basement window and those little narrow windows at the top.
Me being the clean teen at the party, and like
head of the clean is like, who is doing this?
And it's my boyfriend and he we were like went
(10:33):
into the tree house in the backyard and had a
very like Nathan Haley conversation where I was like, what
are you doing? Are you just trying to be cool
for these people? And he was like, Babe, I'm only
drinking orange juice. And now I know he's like totally
spiked with the podcast, but at the time I'm like, oh,
I guess that's not so bad. But when we shot
this stuff, I remember being all high on my horse
(10:55):
like why are all the lights on? This is a
dumb party? And Rand like this, how you knew? You
know what? You know what? And I have to say,
the star of the episode was Peyton. Peyton was the
star of this episode front because in that same way
of knowing, of just like having the ability to see
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beyond what what's going on directly around you. But I
don't know a lot of kids that we're that introspective
in high school and capable of asking questions like are
we going to turn out like deb and Karen? I mean,
what high schooler has the wherewithal to ask themselves that question?
And I love that about Peyton. I think that's one
of the major things that the audience connected with about
(11:38):
her and the wherewith all as well. In that breakup
scene with Nathan, to stand so firmly in yourself and
he's trying to, you know, do the like oh baby,
I'm sorry business, and when you say you basically call
Nathan out for his behavior with Haley, and you say,
whatever you're doing there is messed up. And if you
(11:59):
aren't doing something there, it's messed up essentially because you're
stringing her along, and for a girl in high school,
to look at her boyfriend and say, you're either flirting
with that girl for real, or you're flirting with her
to manipulate her. In either way, you're a bad guy.
That's not something, especially in that era, that we were
encouraged to do. It was like, who's flirting with my boyfriend?
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It wasn't maybe he's a bad dude. I wonder what
made them strike that tone in this episode because dem
is not threatened or weirded out by Karen and Peyton's
not threatened or weirded out by Haley. Um. They were
clearly trying to make a strong note about like, you know,
(12:43):
we're not in competition with one another, that it's such
a beautiful thing. And then I'm like, well what happened?
Because I was when did we start calling each other whores?
As like terms of my dear man on the show?
You know, it's a weird deal. You know. The whole
vibrator thing made us all like, ubar, did you were
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you like that in high school? Though? Hillary? Um, with
that that introspective and the ability to stand up and
tell people what's what? And I mean was that in
you I was super confrontational. Um. I think that the
things that were more important to me in high school
were um like like the movie Boys Don't Cry came
(13:26):
out and Girl Interrupted came out and I read the
bell jar and so there was like a firestorm of
teenage girl mental health. Um also like gay straight alliance
kind of stuff. All of that stuff was very important
to me. And I knew that I was leaving for
New York, so it didn't matter who I piste off.
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And and and I feel like Peyton has her friendship
with Brooke but isn't really connected to anyone else, so
might also carry a lot of that, like we don't
care who we piss off. It's interesting because I realized that.
And and this is something I've been you know, learning
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to expand for myself, even as an adult. But when
I think back, it's always been really easy for me,
on behalf of others to not care who I piss off,
to defend people, to stand up for people, but not
to do it for myself. And I I think I
really see some of that in Brooke. You know, we
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were all talking about this after the last episode. You know,
I think Hillary, you said it, you said, I always
got the sense that Brooke was actually a virgin and
I think so too, And I think that that what
what resonated with me about her was a girl who
only was taught to validate herself by other people's opinions
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and by charming other people and by being attractive to boys,
and so she would make herself the butt of the joke,
like she bit on the vibrator joke. And then that's
a horrible thing to say. She took the bait. I'm
so sorry she took the bait on that joke. I'm like,
(15:12):
I have a coffee, I'll drink this. Um. You know,
she took she took the bait on that, And then
I think, like the sort of shame and the desire
to be liked. Then she leans into it and goes, okay,
so you know my turn. Never have I ever Oh no,
I did that to make everyone laugh, And and that
(15:33):
moment of saying it and then looking around to see
if people thought it was funny, like seeing myself make
that choice for her then really broke my heart. Just again,
such good casting, because it would have been easy to
do that, you know, there's it just would have been
easy to play it the other way and one dimensional
(15:54):
and just you know, but you really had that you
know what you were doing? Thanks, Yeah, She's list And
that's what I want viewers to do in this rewatch
is to question every choice, like was Brooke Davis really
fast and easy? You know, like like what is the
reality of these things? Because what we're saying is one thing,
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But how we're behaving that's what we were able to control.
You couldn't control the dialogue, but how we said you're right,
that's where we could find our power. Like we couldn't
get away from some of the things that were written
for us to do, but there were moments where we
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could be more ourselves, moments where we could subvert the
obvious and and it I will say it means so
much to all of us, with all you listening at home,
those have always been the moments that the fans have
loved the most. And and I love that we were
able to, even in the midst of trying to figure
out what the hell we were doing, like fun and
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these find these moments. I want to talk about Joy's hat. Yes, okay,
will you tell people what the backstory of the hat is?
Come on, okay, look here I have to I have
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to preface this by saying that there is a possibility
that I've created this scenario in my mind because I
hated the hat so much. But I don't think. What
I remember my recollection of this is that I was
given this hat. I did not like this hat. I
hated this hat. I was given this hat and told
you have to wear this hat. And I was told
later UM that the person who chose the hat for me,
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UM chose it because it looked like a penis hat,
like the top of a penis, and they thought it
was literally on it. Yeah, and they thought it was
funny to make Hayley look like she was like had
her head had like a penis on her head. I
and I hated the hat so much. Did they tell
you this right away? It wasn't way later. It was
(18:07):
way later because it would always pop up and we'd
see images of it. Because it's like, I don't know
why this hat keeps showing up. I keep see I
see photos of it for years. I've seen like it's
the because it's so terrible. I think probably it's like well,
and also there's that beautiful scene with the two of
you in the car. You know, we've talked about it
from Nathan's side, But what you the vulnerability that Haley
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leans into and the softness that you gave her, and
the humor and the cracking jokes, but also the bashfulness.
It was so innocent and beautiful, right, She's bashful and
it happens in that freaking hat for a lot of it.
A lot of it happens in the hat and then
(18:51):
you know, you finally take it off on the car ride.
But I think that's part of it because it's the
that's where the seed of Nathan and Haley was planted,
was in freaking hat. Yeah, does the same? Do you
take the hat off? It's like it's like she's all that,
you know, Like you're a beautiful girl. Your chin in
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that car sane joy, just your little like chin dimple
and your little pout and you're like your eyes and
you can tell that you're listening to him, like you're
really listening. It is so like Aerial from Little Mermaid
and the Red Hair. They needed the hat to like
dress you down, you know, so it's not so on
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the nose and like these two are going to end
up together. All they could do is put a stupid
hat on when they put Rachel Lee cook in glasses, right, Yeah,
I agree, I think. I mean, it could have just
been that, and then maybe the penis story came up later.
I mean that also could have been them like editing
(19:54):
history where after they watch it and Daily's they're like,
she looks like a dick. It could have been. It
could have been. But I did love the show pop up.
I remember them about the poncho. That was the other thing,
the poncho. I think I chose the poncho. I think
that was my choice, my bad choice. I made some
very questionable wardrobe choices throughout the years, but I guess
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it always kind of worked for Haley. Ma'am. I was
wearing a buckle across my chest in this episode, So
tell me about it. You gotta keep those things locked up,
my god, Like I buckled myself into my shirt for
what Yeah, nineties nineties fashion left it like kept kept
(20:35):
creeping into the two thousands. Yeah, the tail end was
really brutal. M hmm. I like that you and Sarah Edwards,
who played Teresa, were kind of wearing the same thing.
It was tells a story that all the cheerleaders have
a uniform um and then they put Peyton in a turtleneck.
You know, how can we be the antithesis of this um?
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It also kind of put Brooke in the queen bee
category that she was and that like there was. It
just subconsciously put a little like want to be like her?
You know, that's so interesting. We had your cronies. Best crony.
Best crony of the episode goes to Tim Brett that
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he really had that Joey Triviani thing going on. Yes,
he is so good and like we all thought he
was so funny then, but as an adult to watch him,
I'm like, man, his comic timing is just so on
point at the door, you're caught the entire physical nature
(21:39):
of his comedy. That ends with him weirdly just knocking
on the house because he doesn't know what else to do.
So brilliant, he takes my breath away. But do you
know they always gave him the hardest job because we
all had real lines, Like we had lines on a
piece of paper that we were supposed to recite, and
they would wait till the end of the day and
(22:00):
all of our coverage, and then they would get Brett's
coverage and they'd give him two takes and they'd be like,
all right, Brett, just improvise, and it's everyone's standing there
watching you, like the sun is rising, you know, there's
like a clock ticking, and Brett would just have to
go and he's so good at it. He just knew,
(22:21):
he knew who Tim was. Yeah, he really got some
skills on that. And by the way, skills like the
opening scene when we're at the basketball game and he's running,
he does this like fake out dribble between his legs
so seamlessly. I was like, oh my god, Brett was
like a really good basketball player. I forgot. Yeah. I
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think they all were like legit basketball players except for Chad,
who was a football boy. Right, yeah, I guess. So. Yeah,
did we talk about that in the last episode, this
shot that he had to make in the in the court?
I know we talked about it on the zone, but
I don't know. I mean, yeah, that was tough for
him because he was he was definitely a football guy
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and you know, good at it from from what I
know from what I heard, But it's just such a
different it's a completely different sport. It's totally different skill set.
Like if I had to do gymnastics, I'm good at
other stuff, guys. But yeah, you know, everything we did
involved a ton of extras, like these big party scenes,
(23:26):
the big basketball scenes, and we were all really young actors,
so we were having to make decisions in front of
a live audience on set and then like hope that
when it aired two weeks later, because our turnaround was
so fast that people liked it. Um getting feedback that
people didn't like, Peyton it was so you got feedback
(23:49):
that people didn't like because remember we were supposed to
be a mid season replacement, so we were used to
bank all of our episodes before we ever aired. And
then there was was it was a Rachel Lee cook
show that Warner Brothers decided like, you know what, this
isn't ready. We're not going to do this right now.
Let's just put One Tree Hill on on in September.
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And we'd only been filming since July, so we'd only
banked like three episodes when our show started airing, and
and very quickly the feedback came in like what's this
bitch so MOPy about? You know? And I think maybe
that was a blessing because it's certainly made me aware
(24:33):
of how as being perceived, which put me right back
in high school, like you're totally aware of what everyone
around you was saying, the rumor mill it was. It
was humbling. It's hard too because we we were young,
and of course, I mean, gosh, as an adult, you
want to be liked. As a kid, you want to
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be liked so badly, and you want to do a
good job, and especially on our first jobs. And I well,
if I remember that, I remember how uncomfortable it made
me feel because Brooke was put in a position where
she granted performatively and to try to feel any kind
of validation because she didn't have it from her family
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and you know, all the all the aspects of her
back story, she was very sexualized. And then I felt
like I was being very sexualized, and it made me
so uncomfortable. This this sort of like yeah, this like, oh,
you're a bad girl, And I was like, I just
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I play this girl on TV and I don't know
who I am yet. I remember that too, Sophia, because
I didn't a lot of the press that we started
doing after the show. It was like you were always
expected to be wearing the super short skirt, the you know,
the cleavage thing. Remember the photo shoot that we did
that was like in a garbage dump or something. Me
(26:00):
like had Yes, it was that weird race trashsh Yeah,
I still have something up in my crap about it,
like I'm so mad. It was like we'd worked so
hard to get here, so hard to get here first
(26:21):
big photo shoot and don't yeah, I'm so glad you
brought that like a salvage yard kind of a place.
But there was something that was like on a race track,
and the race track was really cute and that was
fun stuff. And then they were like, come over here
in short skirts and stand in front of a pile
of trash and I was like no, yeah, by the way, Hillary,
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do you remember we were side by side and one
of those shots that day and they handed you a
hose and you just like pointed it at the ground.
They wanted you to be hosing me down and you
didn't do it, and I just like froze and you
were like no, And I remember just looking around like
is this what's expected of me? And we didn't obviously,
(27:05):
like we wouldn't let we didn't let them keep the
water on, but like that idea, essentially, they were like
trying to shoot a wet t shirt contest, and I
was like, I don't want to do this at all,
especially in a pile of trash. Gross words. Oh my god,
(27:27):
totally forgotten about that, and I'm so glad you brought
it up because a metaphor for how we were treated
the whole time. Guys, we're gonna give you a photo spread.
It's gonna be a cover. It's made of trash. What
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was your first experience of like getting feedback, because I
feel like we started to get it right around this episode. Uh,
I don't know. I mean I know that what I
remember was that there were message boards. Um that was
still like there was still dial up I think at
that time. I don't remember, but it was definitely like
my Space and message boards, and it was not not
(28:13):
fancy or slick or pretty or anything. So you'd just
go find your show on a message board and then
just like search your name or look for whatever people were,
whatever the topics were. Um, I don't remember. I could
make something up, but I just don't remember. I didn't know.
That's good. That means it wasn't traumatic, No, it wasn't.
I don't I was concerned with what people thought. I
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think it probably did inform what I things that I
maybe fought for I didn't fight for, but um, I
wish I had a memory of it. I don't, But
you do you remember seeing things that people didn't like?
Did it? Did it affect you when you went to
work the next week or the next day, or were
you like trying to make different choices? How did it
affect you? I was certainly concerned about storyline, you know,
(28:57):
because the show I signed up for was one thing,
it evolved into this other thing that's like making vibrator
jokes with teenage girls and like staying out drinking all
night you know, um, even though the lights are all on. Um.
It uh. Definitely gave me like a lot of anxiety,
(29:19):
especially because our bosses were aware of it, Like they
brought it up to me. They're like, man, everybody hates you,
you know, we're not sure how to like circle back
and get them to like you. But they really like
the other girls a lot better. And so there was
a part of me also that was like, well, maybe
I lean into this. Like, you know, the first lesson
they teach you in acting school is the bad guy
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doesn't know they're the bad guy. So there certainly was
a part of season one where I'm like, oh, I'm
the bad guy, like I guess I didn't realize that
when I auditioned for the show, but I'm the bad guy.
And that made it a lot easier to do questionable things,
you know, to just like lean into this early. That's
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so interesting that you felt like the bad guy. That's
like the beginning of it all to the beginning of
the separation, the segregation of the three of us of like,
you know, the idea that you're somehow unliked and the
rest and the end you know that somehow you're the
you're the odd man out well, and there was always something,
(30:25):
there was always a little earworm they'd give us right like, oh, well,
you know this was good. But you know what they
really liked was when she did that, and you know
who's really good is Sophia shirt. It's like, you know,
they wanted us to feel like if if you know,
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any of anyone else was succeeding, we were failing. Was
how we were made to feel, rather than you guys
are all doing a really good job, and like, here's
what your strengths are, and we're really proud of you.
That that certainly was not. Isn't it crazy? How indirect
like opposite from the storyline of the show. It is
like you Devi and Karen and you've got Peyton Haley
(31:10):
like all kumbaya, like this is awesome. But then the
behind the scenes what was that show? That that e
true Hollywood story? Everything? Yeah, behind the scenes was so different.
So it's crazy that the same brains were coordinating. But
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you know what's interesting to me is when I think
about the fact that there was such a huge conflict
between Lucas and Nathan, and in so many high school shows,
the conflict is between the girls, but the conflict with
the kids was between the boys. So in a way,
in the beginning, they wrote us very atypically. They kind
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of switched the traditional gender roles, and later as the
as the boys repaired their relationship, they created rifts with
the girls. And later they also started taking things from
our real lives and putting them in the shows in
very manipulative ways, because you know, there were I was
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just gonna say, though, that's like a great point that
they wrote us as like nineties boys. What nineties boy
would be your character? Oh that's interesting? Oh God, watching friends,
like like who was who was the b Arthur of
nineties boys? Like for myself? You mean you as a
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person or like as would have been? Who was like
the nineties boy of I think you're totally right, Sophia.
They wrote you as like the Paul Walker. You know
what I mean what I was going to say, I
was the Pacy. You think I'm the Paul Walker. That's
so flattering. Anny Blues just like sex on the washing
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machine and I'm a fun on the stone. Yeah, like
the like the party boy m hm yeah yeah, wow.
She kind of was the captain of the football team, yes,
the alpha. Okay, So who's the boy? Who's loves? Who's hey?
I didn't watch like nine O two n oh, but
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I feel like there's somebody in there. I mean there's
strong Josh Jackson vibes. I think like super Frank, I
could live on a boat. Yeah, like boy next Door
but no bs. Yeah, childhood love. I still think that
(33:47):
Sad Haley and Lucas energy is just so latent and prime.
So who's yours? Who's your who's your nineties? I don't
know what I'm afraid of is that I'm like, were
you Luke Perry. Were you Dylan? I think I think
you were. I think you were Dylan. Guys, I watched
Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie with my son, and
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I was like, oh my god, I didn't want to
be Buffy. I wanted to be Luke Perry. How was
my angst? Yeah, well that feels really appropriate because as
a as a young teen myself, I didn't know if
I wanted to be Luke Perry or date Luke Perry.
And I feel like Brooke doesn't know if she wants
to be painting her dater. So that's It's so because
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over the years, so many people have come up to
us and talked about sexuality and being teenage girls. And
while we were so worried about being painted as these
like little sex puppets for men, you know, what I
didn't realize is um how much energy people were picking
(34:53):
up on, you know, for a whole rainbow of preferences
and seeing it in myself in this episode, you know,
I kind of guessed when Peyton comes or is like
hanging out with Haley outside of the bathroom, because I
was like, is Peyton flirting with Haley? It was like
I'm watching a totally different person, but I was also
enamored with you Joy, and so maybe yeah, probably just
(35:16):
like you growl, you're trying to get out of here
high school. It's hormones are all trying to figure out,
like who are we? And what what is? What do
I do with all these hormones? And how do I
feel about this? And I think the reality is that
what you see on screen. I mean, my god, we
were watching the episode and we were like, oh, the
vibes are strong, the vibes are strong in the bathroom hallway,
And I think the truth of the matter and and
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you know, the reality even when we think about all
of our lives behind the scenes, As you said, it's
messy because you are a young person trying to figure
out what attraction means. You know, now, as an adult,
I'm like, oh my god, I'm attracted to the brains
and intellects and spirits of all of my friends and
(36:00):
of you know, I have writing crushes on people. But
when you're a teenager, you're just like, well, a crush
as a crush as a crush. You don't know the
difference between what makes you drawn to a person, and
and that I think is about that era of figuring
it out. And I think that's why, even though our
show was um very binary at the time and because
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of who it was written by, I think so many people,
as you mentioned, with a you know, spectrum of preferences,
felt represented by us anyway, because as we were still
representing that curiosity and that finding of ourselves regardless of
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where our characters found themselves, which to your point, Sophia,
that we at that age, you know, we're all we
are all trying to figure out where where we fit
and where we belong. And um, so so much of
how we've that I was by what we watch and
what we see around us. You know, the shows that
we consume as young people make a huge impact in that,
(37:08):
which again goes back to parenting, which is why parenting
is so important. That you know, it's not you're not
just getting all your information from TV, because God, I mean,
my idea of romance and attraction is what I thought
relationships should be like and prejudice joy, what was what
was your what was your like dream romance as a teenager?
(37:33):
Oh my gosh, well the Princess Bride of course, couldn't
expectations get any higher? And you know, any of those
great rom comes my best friend's wedding, which is super
bittersweeten like not the kind of way that you want
to model your you know, um, but yeah, but it's
(37:56):
like you need you need. That's why parents are so important.
Why I'm so greatful that we had you know, Keith
doing some great parenting in this show, in this episode,
for sure, I mean, let's talk about that that. I
mean Karen Karen also you know, giving great advice and
deb was trying, but Nathan didn't seem to really listen.
But um, I loved that Keith was like, I'm not
(38:17):
letting you kids just run riot and get away with anything.
I'm gonna make some phone calls and you guys have
to own up to your responsibilities. Yeah it's nice to
see that. Yeah, it was so nice to see the
adults in the room forced them to deal with the
mess they'd made the night before. And yeah, Keith, by
the way, like, had we seen him interact with Nathan
(38:38):
at any point? Yeah, like the first thing we see
him like other girls, Yeah, he probably had like Christmas
with this kid when he was little. They've had to
stay with each other at Thanksgiving and so for him
to call and rat him out and be like, if
your dad won't parent you, I will parent you. Yeah. Yeah,
(39:02):
And and and to not only demand that these kids
learn something and behave uh, even if not in the moment,
in the aftermath, with modicum of respect. And then you
see deb you know, when she gets into it with Dan,
and Dan says, well, he's a good kid, you know,
(39:24):
and she tells him what he did, and she says,
a good kid based on what is scoring average? And
it's like, do you even know what's going on with
your kid or are you just concerned with his performance?
You're so Sophia. I think about a lot of the
other shows are a lot of shows I see now
with teenagers, And sorry if I sound like an old lady,
but like they're so disrespectful. Yeah, they're so disrespectful. And
(39:48):
that you're right. There was at least a lot of
the kids on our show they when they were speaking
to an adult there that that respect was still represented
and if they were disrespectful, they got called on it,
which I think is so important. And and when we
took it a step farther and said, you know, what's
motivating them, what's hurting them? You know, deb throwing that
(40:10):
in Dan's face. She was like, you're paying attention to
what he's doing, not how he is. And that hits
different for me now. It makes me want to see
more of Debt, more of death, more death. How can
we get more of Barbara Allen Woods? Yeah? I think
(40:31):
what's cool is that if this script came across our desks,
like right now, I like the women, the deb and
Karen are like, this would be something we'll be like, yeah, yeah,
that sounds neat. Um okay, so it was not lost
on us. I don't know. We've crashed the comment how
(40:52):
many times? How many times? Though? Actually need to know?
Somebody has to find out. Yeah, because we don't know
because I forgot the Nathan crashed it. I know I
crashed it once. Did Luke crash it at some point?
I don't? I feel like maybe I feel like that
that poor car really got harmed? Often were they kept
(41:15):
two on the lot. We had Steve Thompson's and that
was our alpha car. He worked in our camera department. Um,
that was the one we never hurt. Yeah, that was
the one that drove. There was this other car that
just it was like the punching bag that we you know,
(41:37):
had to keep kind of looking like the comment. But
then I heard that the comment got sold, and I
would see people post about like, oh, I bought the comment,
and I'm like, which, what? Which is it? The one
we crashed into a telephone ball? Because if so, I
am sorry. Sorry, guys, I will admit that sometimes I
(42:00):
go on classic car websites and shock for that you do.
I should have bought it. I think you deserve it.
Steve Offord to sell it to me when I first
left the show, but it was it was too new,
you know what I mean, Like I couldn't have it
sit in my driveway. No, it was like yeah, and
now I'm like, that's my car. Give me my car back,
(42:22):
Damn I want it one of these days. Okay. So really,
what this is is a call out if anybody's listening,
and it happens to be an excellent internet sleuth. And
I know y'all are out there because you find things
like pictures of joy and a penis hat, you turn
them up all the time, you guys. Somebody out there,
I'm sorry in a green hat. Please don't don't photoshop
(42:44):
the thing I just said, don't do that. Keep it classy,
Keep it classy, Internet friends, but in your classy searches
of iconic One Tree Hill history. If someone finds a
comment on the Internet, please email us the link to
a drama queen's email address. We would like to see
it and perhaps a place an anonymous bid. Can I
(43:06):
can I drop my son off at school? In Peyton's comment,
well be I also sort of love the idea, you know,
since this is our two point oh adventure, like, why
can't you paint it white? Paint it red? Like you
Mary Kay pink. Let's get real drama quick. You can
(43:30):
do whatever you want. You can have your version of
her car, all right, John a Queen's and I heart
radio dot com. Someone's going to find me a comment
and we want to know how many times the comment
was crashed? Yes, yeah, tell us two pieces of information
we could use from you our friends out there. Word
who wants to do superlatives? Are we doing most likely
(43:51):
to most likely to? I really need to get the
sound of a drum roll for these moments because I
feel like the keep getting most likely to get married
in Vegas? Interesting? Okay, so we should have a real
life option and then a character option. What do we think?
(44:13):
I think the person who is most likely to get
married in Vegas is definitely Tim. Oh, sweet Tim. He
would just take whatever he could get, sweet baby. Yeah, Tim,
definitely Yeah? Yeah right? Any cheerleaders? Yeah, I don't know that.
(44:36):
I disagree with that. I don't know that I can
come up with another one. Yeah, I agree. I think
that's great. Okay, but who in real life? Like, who's
the most impulsive member of our gang? I'm trying to
think of anyone did get married in Vegas? Did did anyone?
I would? You? Would? You would? Yeah? Oh you would
(44:59):
like a lope with a pair of cowboy boots on
under your dress and just like do it? Yeah, I
would do it. Are we going to solicit for that
on the internet? To everybody who should Joy date? Yes? Yes, yeah, fine?
I love this mark the first not the first wedding.
You don't want your first wedding in Vegas. But if
you're gonna have a second one, go to Vegas. The
(45:21):
courthouser to Vegas. Aren't we going to Vegas soon? Joy?
That's right? Okay. So I have to find someone to marry,
someone who I want to marry within the next, like
your type, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, design your type
right now. Oh ge whiz oh gee Willoker. You're like,
(45:43):
oh my gosh. But some we're gonna blow on the dice.
I just want, like I just want like a nice
tall Christian cowboys like coal Houser on yellow Stone. It
just plus some Jesus, you know, like that Johnny Cash
kind of Jesus. I want somebody who's a little bit
(46:04):
rouchy and rough, but also it's a big teddy Bearn's side.
And um, Alan Jackson smart, he's got to be real smart,
Like I gotta have a really good conversations that it
kills me if that's not and I gotta laugh. I
gotta make me laugh. Um a right guinea cowboy coming
to Vegas, Irish Lumberjack to anybody, I don't I don't
(46:29):
want to like weed out the rest of the world. Okay,
so I can see that. But what you're saying is
you like rural it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, I used
to say when when I was on the market, I
used to say, I'm just this is hard, but I
need someone who can go rugged too. Red carpet, like
(46:51):
you got to run the ranch and you have to
be able to drop into a tuxt with me because
we have things to go to. And that's so fine.
You know, if you say any kind of when I
date someone and they like don't quite know how to
dress for a carpet, it's kind of sweet, your sneak.
(47:12):
All it takes is two birthdays and a Christmas and
you can make over anywhere. Two birthdays. You're good at that.
You're like, I'll think she don't worry, like just weary.
This okay. So we know that our angel, Brett clay
(47:35):
Well's character Tim is probably gonna go to Vegas, and
that feels right to all of us. Um, and then
you know, Joy will see what happens in September. Hey,
I'll be there. You know. If you're like a nice
Christian cowboy who's like tough and smart and you know, grouchy,
meet me in Vegas. Make sure make sure your jeans
are tight, sir. But until aren't you pleasant? I don't
(47:57):
believe you. Yeah, exactly, you gotta be. You gotta do
a little cranky. But until we meet this grouchy, cranky cowboy.
We do have some listener questions in the meantime. Um.
The first one comes in from our friend Jacob, who says,
my two best friends Courtney and Marissa and I are
going to Wilmington's for our vacation to sight see all
(48:17):
the one Tree Hill sites. We enjoyed making a list
of things and are even using things from your podcast
to add to it. Kitty's are there any hidden gems
you guys would suggest? Well? Lee tipped everyone off to
the Brasserie last week? Yeah, what about that? Is the
tea room on on Water Street? Still there? Who you guys?
(48:40):
I think that's up for sale. That's the listing I
sent you. So we have this. We have the secret
dream of getting a shop together like the three of us,
and so I scour real estate listings and then send
them to these two at two o'clock in the morning.
It's my favorite thing. What about the right next to it,
there's a friend place. I want to say, It's like,
(49:02):
look contiliar Catalan, the Catalan. That's they've got a good
They've got a good. Like um, what's it with the
hot dog wrapped in a croissant and they starve it
with mustard like a pig in a blanket. But it's friend.
It has a fancy Oh my god, I love it,
(49:23):
those those little spots downtown. I will say, what I
know will always be there that you must go to
is kill Wins ice Cream, especially because it's going to
be summer. The smell it, you can smell the waffle
cones cooking from outside. Literally my mouth is watering thinking
about it. The air chocolate chip cookie dough is the
best ice cream I've ever had in my life, so
toast it's just so good. Please go have some for us. Um,
(49:48):
go to the Brasserie for that mac and cheese that
is Leon Norris's favorite. And you must go to Wrightsville
Beach because it's again the summertime, and be because Tower
seven is there, and that those tacos and for shopping.
Go to the edge of Earth. Is that still there?
It was totally still there. And they've also got a
(50:09):
location in Raleigh. Um, I think we all know I'm
going to talk about the bar scene. Blue Post is
the spot. You know, we were friends with the owners
when we were there, still friends with the owners in fact.
So over the Christmas break, Jeffrey had to shoot a
movie and they shot the entire movie without him, like
(50:31):
in l A or somewhere else. And then they just
had to shoot his coverage. They had like a body
double for him, so I literally just needed to shoot
his coverage. And we were in the Outer Banks and
they were like, we'll meet you in Wilmington. We need
a bar, but everything's closed for COVID, so where like
where can we shoot? And so I called Barbara Wheaton,
(50:53):
the owner of Blue Post, and was like, yo, girl,
my Husban's got to do a movie. Can they your
And she was like, oh my god. Yes. So they
opened it up for this you know, this production. Um,
but it will only be Jeffrey's side. Oh my god.
So it was really cool. I think they actually they
(51:14):
had to double like sand dunes in the desert and
so they drove off to Carolina Beach in the middle
of the night and cheated the beach for the desert,
which is that's the magic of movie making. Magic. Yeah,
Go Post is great and Yosaki like karaoke was so
so fun. And if you go to Blue Post, look
(51:35):
for our look for our little placards because Blue Post
has a beer list. You will not get through it
in three days. Our friend Jacob and Courtney and Marissa,
but it took us all a while. I think it's
like sixty four beers or something, and some of them
are discussing on purpose, and you have to drink all
of them, and then you get a little placard on
the wall with you do it. Of course I did it.
(51:58):
I did that. I did it. I was like, oh yeah,
oh yeah. I was like, give me, give me all
the beers. Let's do this. I want to leave my
mark on Wilton in this bar. Your face has painted
on the side of the studio, but you're like a
little placard on that post. And I think they're like,
they're honestly like little plastic name tags that just get
(52:21):
hot glued to the wall. Baby, someone stole yours, I
would be so sad that felt in my name. If you,
if you did steal it, give it back. If you
stole it, please return it. Thank you, thank you very much. Yeah,
whoever bought that should honestly sell it to you. That
would be a nice thing for them. Guys. They like
(52:41):
shifted across the ocean, which is a huge compliment. It's
in Australia. I heard. Really that's a huge compliment that
someone wanted. So what I hear you saying is that
we also need to take our road show of drama
queens to Australia, and these people need to give us
a ride to our event eventually in your b So
(53:03):
if you'all could just get vaxed so we could come
and we would love it. Okay, what is next? Okay,
So we have a question from Katie. Katie says, if
you were the parent to Brook, Haley and Peyton and
or Peyton, what advice would you have given them to
help them get through high school? I mean, oh my god,
are we going to talk for another forty five minutes? Um? Atlanta? Um?
(53:28):
Should we just give advice for our characters, like as
our respective, like a parent to our characters? Yes, that
makes sense. I would have told Haley, um, it's okay
to make mistakes. Don't worry so much about about being
perfect and trying to control everything. Just let let yourself
(53:50):
be messy if you need to, and just experience, experiment
and experience life. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I would tell Peyton, baby,
got the whole rest of your life to be a
grown up, you know, don't rush it, just be goofy.
I see, I see myself trying to be goofy in Peyton,
but she wasn't written as goofy and so I see
(54:12):
myself like slumping or like delivering lines kind of goofy
um and and yeah, I like when I see kids
just acting like dorks. I'd tell Payton to dork it up. Yeah,
I would want to give that that advice to Brook
also and actually enjoy. It's so funny. What comes to mind.
(54:33):
I don't know if you remember this, but remember when
we were in Wilmington's and you started asking us to
do those twenty questions answers for you my blog, and
you asked me to write advice to my younger self.
And it feels so right for Brooke, especially as we've
just unpacked some of her performative fear in this episode.
(54:56):
Um but but I remember saying, don't worry so much
about being someone else's definition of enough. You already are.
And I just would want for her to feel that
she was enough, that she didn't have to prove, or
live up to, or or convince anyone of anything. I
love that you guys are totally enough. You're more than
(55:23):
enough for me, you are. We hope you're having fun
with us, We hope you're learning some things, and you
know it's sparking conversations between you and your friends as well,
and we're just so grateful that you're tuning in. Thank
you for joining us for another episode of Drama Queens. Yeah,
next week we have episode five, all that you Can't
leave behind. I have no idea what's going to happen.
(55:44):
I'm here. I mean, Lucas is mad at Haley and
Nathan or on the verge of breaking up, and something's
going on with Brooken this next episode. I think too.
I have to are you're probably going to make a move.
Are you going to make a move on the boy?
Don't know, guys, I don't remember. Well, we're gonna find
(56:06):
out real soon. We love you, guys. Thank you, Hey,
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