December 6, 2021 • 51 mins
As Season 2 begins, the aftermath of Nathan and Haley’s wedding is front and center. Are they the ultimate example that love does triumph over all? We’re digging into why this couple, despite their young age, personifies that.
Aboard Brooke’s boat (also what!?) the girls ponder to bikini or not to bikini? The Drama Queens discuss the behind the scenes of boat day, and ultimately why it’s a proud moment for them.
Are we destined to repeat the mistakes our parents made?
Sophia, Hilarie, and Joy analyze how the overarching messaging of One Tree Hill is how a younger generation can be different than the one before.
Finally, is tossing Lucas’ letter in a fire before reading it a good idea? Let’s debate.
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Season two. Welcome back everyone. We're so happy you're joining
us for season two Episode one. How cute is this episode?
That was delicious, which is why I meet in a
muffin right now. That episode and I was like, oh,
you see stuff, and like just heartwarming stuff and the comedy.
(00:50):
We had a lot of good things in this season premiere.
This was called The Desperate Kingdom of Love. Air date
September twenty one, two thousand and four. Um, I have
my sex radio voice on because I'm a little I
think we're all a little hungover from guys, we did it.
I appreciate that we're referencing this joy because I think
(01:11):
it shows the power of our show that we were
all very hungover. And then throughout the course of watching
the episode, I feel like I perked up. I feel
much better. Yeah, for sure, Um, Hillary, will you read
the synopsis? Okay baby. After Lucas and Keith learned that
Dan had a heart attack, they decide it is best
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for them to return to Tree Hill. When deb learns
about Haley and Nathan's marriage, she flips the out. Meanwhile,
angry that Lucas left Tree Hill without saying goodbye, Peyton
and Brooke try to mend their friendship. This was an
epic episode for Brooking, Peyton, I loved it well for
you too. But I remember filming this episode. Do you
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guys remember this one? Yes? Yeah, it was such It
was such like I don't know, sweet victory, that we
got to come back because it was just not a
given thing. And so I think I think the fact
that we got to come back and then just like
jump into crazy Town it was fun. I was like, oh,
we get to do a whole other year this, you
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know what's crazy? Though? I remember I mean so well,
like we're like we were there yesterday Hill. I remember
us doing our our boat day beach and all of
that boat day, um, and I think because it made
such an impact on all of us. Obviously, I remember
the Haley and Nathan wedding. I couldn't wait to get
to that scene. Joy. I was like, I just can't
I can't wait to see your hair. I can't wait
(02:35):
to see your hair with the flower in it. I
still remember it from when it aired. She looks like
a painting, just like a sweet cherub. But the craziest
part is I remember so well those things. And when
the episode opened with Deb's nightmare about Dan's funeral, I
was like, what is this we didn't do I mean,
(02:56):
I see myself, but I was not in this scene.
When did we do this? I have no recollection. I
loved that mislead. It was a released I thought it
was a really smart way to start the episode because
then everybody's like, oh my god, damn well, I just remember,
you know, my boyfriend and my brother are both in production,
and so I remembered it because I remember how pissed
everyone was that we had to do this huge scene.
(03:19):
Was so many extras and with like this whole set
and like probably like flowers and all that. It's like
a crazy For thirty seconds, it was, Yeah, there's a
big deal, close ups of everybody. I think it was
absolutely worth it because it's set a tone for the
whole rest of the season. It also kind of set
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a tone for our series where Mr Rex became a
very big part of our show, and you know, the
crazy town in jumping the shark and like doing crazy
stuff definitely became a part of our show in the
later seasons. So this was a good like what's what's happened?
Let's start with Brooke and Peyton though, because I was
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so I was so enamored of the two of you,
the way that we really got to see your friendship
like it was when you were little kids, and the
fact that you really have grown up together and to
get all the boy stuff out of the way and
all the drama out of the way and just be
friends again. And yeah, you had a little tiff over
the letter and whatever, but there was a a I
(04:25):
loved that you guys on a teen soap opera didn't
wear bathing suits on the boat, which I want to hear.
I want to hear about how that happen. You did,
and then well they did ended up doing this skinny
dipping thing, which is that was kind of cute thought
and those gorgeous shots of the two of you, this
sort of this epic friendship. I loved these iconic shots
(04:48):
of down the docks, seeing you guys walk towards us,
walk toward camera, hugging each other, and just being the
pals that you guys were the friends that everybody wanted
to have a friend like that in high school, and
we really got to see that shine in this episode. Well,
I thanks Joy. I mean, I remember filming this. I
remember Sophia and I this is you know, we always
(05:10):
were kind of on the same page, but I feel
like this was a time where we got to unite
because in the original script we were definitely invading suits
and also it was just gratuitous and dumb and and
I think that we still got the point across. But
I remember as being like, we'll lift up our tank tups,
but that's all you get, so if you can shoot
it from behind, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a
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fun day out on the boat. And I wonder if
that was one of the appeals of the certain interrupt
I just I wonder if that was one of the
peals of our show with the main characters, that there's
the innocence was maintained in a time when a lot
of the other shows were doing a lot of salt,
a lot more selecious stuff with younger kids. And I
think as a teenager, if I had been a teenager
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watching that, there would have been a safety that I
felt in knowing that I could watch two of my
favorite friends be together and not feel like there was
I don't know, an example being an ironic element. Yeah,
you didn't have to witness people you looked up to
or wanted to be like being exploited and then think
(06:15):
that it was okay if someone exploited you. Yeah, and
not that there's anything wrong obviously, Like people wear bathing
suits on TV and on boats, and I mean there's
nothing wrong with it. It was just this in this
particular scenario, I feel like, because we wanted to just
feel safe within the friendship, it would have felt really
out of place for for you guys to have been
objectified during that particular moment. Well, and our bodies. Our
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bodies were compared all the time. We talked about this
while we were watching the episode. I don't have boobs, guys,
Sophie's got great boobs, and they're you know, like thinking, man, Yeah,
we're all like mix and match. Each one of us
has like good parts, um, but when you're twenty one
and you're laying next to someone else on camera in
a bathing suit, there's there's no way that you don't
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compare her yourself to them. And I know that I
didn't want to compare myself to you too. You know,
there were parts of me that I was very insecure about,
and so I like that we just kind of eliminated
that from the female dynamic and instead I had to
put on nudy suits to go swimming. We made that
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so on sexy, literally did I. We were in like,
you know, bandos and high waisted like nude granny panties
in the water, Like nothing is less cute because I
can't swim. And we established that in the scene where
I went in the pool with Nathan and they knew
I couldn't swim, so they're like, let's put her in
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the water again, and so we were in like knee
high water. You guys, it was not anything like we
weren't even really swimming. We had to crouch down. You
couldn't see the like dumb nude sports brawl thing. Oh yeah,
I love that, and yeah it was. It was not
a sexy day. Sorry, I hate to I loved and
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I think you nailed it. Joy. There was just such
a sweetness to it, and it was fun for us
to play and I think, you know, perhaps part of
it feeling so organic and innocent, even in even in
the the reference to us, you know, choosing to just
go out on a boat in our skirts and our
tank tops, there was something really um wholesome. It was
(08:29):
like getting back to a core of something. And after
we had gone through our first season of being compared
and having grown men talked to us about the way
we looked and and say things to each of us,
each of the three of us about why we were
You know that you're you're the one that nobody likes
kind of nonsense. What I loved about it was that
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that we got to you and I as performers but
also represent on screen like two girls just being girls
and enjoy You said it. You see the friendship they
had when they were little, and it it felt like
such a homecoming for the characters to who they used
to be. But I kind of felt that way even
(09:11):
for you and me Hill, like I hadn't seen you
all summer. We were all very like, what does it
mean about being on our show, and and that's pointed
had blown up and we were the four people that
knew what it was like to live in that bubble.
And so yeah, I was excited to get back to
you and just kind of be like, what are we doing?
You know we do I don't know? Yeah, And it
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it felt like such a nice even returned to the
beginning of our friendship before our show was ever on
screen for other people. And I loved even when Brooke
and Peyton had the blow up about the letter, it
wasn't a cat fight. It was two people airing their
fears and vulnerabilities and being honest that they were afraid
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of what it would do to them, what someone else
would do to their friendship. Again point they resolved it
in such a great way. I was so glad that
that it was an expression. And then it was over
and they were like, I kind of love that they
burned the letter. Girl, this is not bad because it's pretext.
(10:15):
It's really like an email was like sort of a thing,
but like you didn't really email people. A boy had
to write a physical letter on a piece of paper,
and once it was gone, it's gone forever. Like kids
take a note you just need to write it down
on paper and then um, yeah, it's a whole different game.
There's like mysticism to it when you write it down
on paper. I miss passing notes so much. Do you
(10:39):
have boxes of notes from growing up? A shoe boxes? I? Actually, yeah,
I have one that used to be a stationary box,
I think, um, and it was full full of letters
that I particularly wrote back and forth with one person,
and like I have him from I would like wallpaper
from hotel room that the wallpaper was peeling, so I
(11:01):
just feel a little more enjoy No, it was like seven,
sixteen seventeen. I'm traveling for work or whatever. I mean,
I don't know. She's in the Rundown motel with the peeling,
I'm telling you. And for some reason, my sixteen year
old brain was like, it's okay, if I tear this more,
gonna be good. But you know, like not, you just
(11:23):
find whatever you could find, napkins, your test here, whatever,
and receipts, and you just pass a note. That's so fun.
What do we think the letter said? Good idea? I mean,
what could that letter have said? He has to have
been apologizing very girthy. That was why did they why
(11:45):
did whoever did did why did whoever was managing our
props put so many pieces of paper and that envelope.
Maybe it was a direction thing. Maybe they wanted it
to look like it was. There was a lot to say,
because Lucas is certainly prolific, if nothing else, A wordy man. Yeah,
I mean he's gonna he's gonna wax poetic for sure. Yeah,
(12:06):
our resident author is going to have something to say. Yeah,
I bet he apologized, and I bet he was like
trying to be because it had to have been something
that could be said to both of you. Well, because
up until this point we'd given him for trying to
game the both of us by like going to Brooke
and apologizing, then going to pay and apologizing. So it
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actually is kind of a great move to be like, oh,
I'm acknowledging that I have been a wedge in between
you two. Let me address you as a unit, so
there's no hearsay. Let me just like acknowledge that you
two are a unit, um and and so yeah, I
appreciate that this boy is figuring out. Oh I tread
(12:47):
on something that was very precious and I shouldn't respect it. Also,
Chad's haircut is spect so handsome. I love the shaved head. Yeah,
major our production always felt like they had to reference
are like hair changes, Like kids don't do that all
the time. We have to script in like a snarky
(13:09):
line about it. And I'm like, yeah, Craig calls him
felicity because he cut his hair off, but he looks
so good. It's like it was such a good move.
I wonder why he didn't keep that. I don't know.
I was a fan. Yeah, I thought it was great
and it gave it gives him such a differentiation from James.
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But maybe that's part of it too, because we did
talk about how in season one they basically have the
same haircut. Yeah, like they they needed them to look
more similar. So maybe that's part of the reason too
that it was it wasn't until season two that he
could look different. Big fan, huge fan. And I think
that the you know, the work he was doing talking
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about I need to go back from my brother, like
my brother's on the go home list. I loved that.
I loved that too. I thought that was clever writing
it on a box on a moving box. That's a
fun little uh uh staging What did he say, Dan's
an ass, You're an ass? Your mom obliterated my heart.
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I like that they could just be frank with each
other about it. Sweet Keith. Hey, Keith, by the way,
showing up with that line of like finally laying down
and laying out exactly what we have been saying this
whole time, that here's this guy who's every life that
he's in, he just like it just falls apart. You know,
he's poison for everybody, and now the one time he's
(14:36):
in pain and he's hurting, now everybody's supposed to drop
everything to turn their life around and go help him. No.
I loved that. I'm so happy to hear somebody finally
say that. Yeah, but nobody followed through. I know the
lame answer, Well, he's your brother, go away. Sorry. UM,
you can't pick your family, what's your point? Yeah, exactly,
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but you can pick who you're in a toxic really
aationship with UM. Let's talk about the toxic and deb
finding down on the floor, dial it yourself. Yeah. But
then okay, So I loved the dial it yourself because
I was like, okay, like she's earned this moment. But
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then it's followed up by the you're the assest ass
on the planet. Why did they write lines like that
for us? Well, it would be one thing if we
said it because we were children, um, but to have
like a grown as woman who we've established as like
a businesswoman and savvy and like incredibly intuitive and like
together all of a sudden starts talking like a kid.
(15:44):
It was really trite in the middle of that scenario.
Or he's having a heart attack. I think they were
probably trying to make it like I'm so cool, You're
having a heart attack and I can just sit here
and be flippant, but it was it just didn't sit right.
It all so feels like those those terms were always
the placeholders for the swear words we weren't allowed to say.
(16:05):
You know, if it was real life, deb would have
been like you are such a selfish motherfucker. She wasn't
allowed to say that. So then you this woman, this
like chic smart woman going you are the assiest ass
and no, no, middle of a well you know what,
she pulled it off. I mean she she committed to
(16:28):
That's the thing I love about Barb. She commits to
every piece of it. And you can tell even when
I noticed that in the chapel when she was saying
I thought I was going to lose you. Um, those
are the words on the page most people would say, Gunna,
I thought I was going to lose you. I thought
I was going to lose you. And even just committing
to the phrasing that was on the page is a
(16:48):
testament to her ability um to take whatever is given
to her and turn it into something that sounds natural
and that's really good. So I loved the way that
she handled that in the end um and then Dan
going to the hospital and everybody thinking that he's going
to die, and then him waking up to Keith dead.
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You guys, we fell out. We fell out. It was
such a and we knew we all he's gonna wake up.
Now he's gonna wake This is gonna be the first
thing he sees. And then it happened and we were like, Wow, Joy,
wasn't you? You're like, I love TV so much. I
love TV, man, it's so good because you know what's
(17:35):
you know what they have to do to make you cringe,
and then they do it and it's so satisfying. I
want to talk about the Nathan and Hilly of it all.
Because we left season one with a major cliffhanger of
just like, wait, these kids got married, and it was
(17:57):
like very like kids getting married. But your performance in
this sells it in such a strong earnest what you're
so earnest you and I believe Haley, and I trust Haley,
and I find myself being like good kids get married. Yes, fine,
you know, like you made it so easy to believe
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something that is, you know, way out of bounds, way
way out of bounds, but it but it is. It's
so beautiful in your earnestness. And one of the things
I will say that I love and I thought this
was great writing is that Nathan is so sure and
and the the all of the this is a little crazy.
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Is this crazy comes from Haley. And so often we
see young women being the ones who are swept up
by the romance and the fairy tale and and and
it did something so dynamic to allow the two of
you to each represent the shure nous of the love
but also the very natural fear and anxiety, and to
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play off of each other and to find it and
and to see Haley find it when she tells her parents,
you know, I'm not impulsive, I don't make rash decisions.
This is what I want. And then to see your
parents have the conversation, even about their young love story.
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It did. It grounded this thing that should be totally
insane and made it feel so real that that even
me who's like, oh I would can't imagine if I
had been that insane in high school. Thank God I wasn't.
Should I believe it for them? What do I remember?
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What do you remember from shooting this episode? Because this
is a huge for you. It wasn't actually remember a
lot about this episode, Um I have. I had a
lot of sort of visceral muscle memories of the walking
into Haley's house, which we really see her kitchen and
everything for the first time. Also, what a strange mislead
the walking into Haley's house and seeing um African American
(20:09):
woman sitting at the table, and then but it was
like as though that's Haley's mom, and then it's not,
it's just a family friend, but like it's just such
a random Why Yah, tree Hill has a diversity problem.
I don't know if we've noticed tree Hill is like
the whitest town on the planets. Certainly the whitest town
in the South, and they were like, oh, we need
(20:30):
to fix this in strange ways. Um it was just
so you know, behind the scenes, I think that was
a constant conversation that we were always having, just like
and so you we're gonna over the course of the
show see that introduced in like very strange ways. But
this was certainly up there with the oddness. So weird
but anyway, Um, so we got through that and then
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I remember, I do remember shooting that scene with Bess
and Hue because I was super excited. I was a
big fan of best from my so called life and
obviously Huey Lewis is such a legend, um, and I
was very excited to work with both of them, and
they were such pros and they made it so comfortable
and um, just we had a lot of fun and
I felt really seen as an actor in the moment
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when I would know because it was so important that
Haley her that her earnestness and her ability to make
these decisions for herself at a very young age came
through and was received by her parents, and the fact
that these guys were such pros and and so able
(21:37):
to kind of catch what was needed with him the
scene within within the character in order to to um
make the storyline cohesive. I hope I'm making sense, and
I was kind of long winded, but yeah, I just
feel like they knew exactly what to do, so I
wasn't struggling to really prove, like I can do this.
I'm I'm, I'm please trust me. You know, they were hippies,
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you know, they knew how to just play this sort
of hippie thing, so that was great. Um. And what
else do I remember? The wedding? Oh my god, you
look so pretty, pretty pretty, and dressing the hair, and
we got are always in forever, We got are always
and forever. It finally happened. But I also remember sitting
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in front of those c ds and crying in that
white that line, I'm not a wife, I'm not even
a s funny. Such a good line, such a good line. Um.
I remembered being there, and that was my first My
first time crying on the show. Wasn't really really, I
(22:40):
don't know, oh no, no, no, sitting in the cafe was.
But I hadn't done any other crying since then, and
I was new to crying. I used to have a
really hard time crying on things. So I was glad
that it's join you cry the best, like you could
cry time I do now, but I I used for years.
I mean, if you ever go watch any of my
work on Guiding Light, I was the worst. I was like,
(23:01):
I'm just crunched up my face but nothing would come out. Terrible.
I was really bad because I had no I wasn't
in touch with my emotions at all. I needed therapy
to cut to our commercial. Um. Yeah, so that was
fun crying over the c ds and I loved that
scene too. That is really how high schoolers think, isn't it?
(23:24):
You know or you know we we just one little
thing will send us spinning. Yeah. Well. Also, the difference
in the way you look at relationships as a teenager
and as an adult is very different. It's like I
remember being a teenager and thinking that love or attraction
was having mutual interests, like do we like the same band,
(23:44):
what's my favorite color? Do you like my friends because
I like my friends? What's your favorite movie? So if
you had trivia in common, it felt like like some
cosmic thing where it's like, oh, fantastic, I found my
mirror and I can see myself for flected in this person,
and we like all the same stuff. Well this Jack
asked behind me. When I'm at him, Jeff just walked
(24:06):
through the room. He was like, I don't care about
your favorite color, I don't care about your favorite band.
Where do you want to do when you grow up?
You know? He was like, And so the relationship was
based on where are you going as opposed to what
do you like? And I think that's a much healthier
And Nathan wants to go where Haley is going, you know,
when he says you're my family now. He was so sure.
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He was so sure, and James played it so beautifully.
He I mean, the way he looks at you in
those scenes, it's so earnest. And again, I'm just so
impressed with him, you know, as as the baby brother
of our bunch, like James being eighteen at I guess,
(24:51):
I guess he would have just turned nineteen because this
was the beginning of season two out because we always
started in the beginning of Joe and James's birthdays, not
till the end, so he's still eighteen when you guys
shot this. And the fact that he brought that kind
of a genuine earnestness. Two this boy, you know, he
(25:17):
he he showed up with vulnerability and a kind of
steadfast energy that you usually don't see in young boys.
You you see that in healthy older men who have
also been to ding ding ring the bell therapy. We
love therapy on this show, and it's it's beautiful. Do
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you think that came from him having such bad relationships
modeled for him? That there was something like usually when
people grow up having bad relationships modeled for them, I
would say, usually they tend to model the same thing
that they saw, and it's just a repeated cycle unless
somebody intentionally changes that. But it seems like he's been
(25:59):
doing a lot of internal work. Nathan seems to have
become much more introspective over the last season. Um, and
I don't know. It's it seems like maybe he's ready
for this in a way that he's so sure because
he knows, he's seen so much of what he doesn't want,
and who knows what I don't know. I'm the best
(26:22):
example because this is an entire series about kids breaking
generational curses. You know, Yeah, every single character in our
show is like I don't want that, you know, I'm
not going to be you know, Hayley's parents are like
kind of transient. So what does she do? She like
doubles down and it's like, I'm Queen of Tree Hill,
you know, like I'm going to have these strong us.
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Brooke has absent parents and decides to become, you know,
a super intense parent and commit to the town and
stay put and focus on community as opposed to like
fame and fortune in the city every single care And
obviously the boys breaking the Dan curse. It's yeah to
what the basis of the show is. So to see
our male characters doing it is exciting. Mm hmm. Yeah. Thanks.
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This person George just walked in. She's like generational curse.
Did someone say my name over here? You're so quick, Hilary.
I I what I appreciate most about the Haley Nathan
storyline is that your parents were introduced and we got
(27:29):
full Haley context that we didn't receive at any point
in season one. We'd heard like widows about what your
family was, and without any exposition, like no one says that,
No one says like Haley, your twenty seven sisters, you
know your mom yelling Haley's pregnant out the window. We
know that you've got older sisters and they've been down
(27:52):
this road before. You know, like they just flesh out
the family in a seamless way with and I hate expositions.
So the way that was so master it was really smart.
So we have a I mean, I don't want to
go to listener questions too quick unless we can sort
of incorporate it in if it doesn't bother you guys,
because we have a listener question that's particularly it's about
(28:15):
this topic, which is do you think Haley and Nathan's
young marriage had a positive or negative effect on younger viewers?
And that question was from Dominique. Hi. Dominique, Um, that's
a it's a really good question. I actually did wonder
about that when we were filming it. I was like,
is this our teenager is now going to want to
go out and get married because they do you guys. Obviously,
(28:39):
I'm still very connected to everyone I went to high
school with to my hometown and so you know, I've
really turned my nose up at like being with the
person I was with in high school because I was like,
I'm getting out of here, I'm going to New York
but what I can say over twenty years later is
that the relationships of my friends who are still with
(29:02):
the people they were with in high school are some
of the healthiest marriages I have examples of, really, because
we've known each other our whole lives. Their weddings were
like class reunions, um. And there's a shorthand there where
now that we're starting to go through really traumatic life
things like you know, child loss and our parents getting
(29:25):
sick and dying and really like big issues to be
with a person who's known you your whole life. It's
not for everyone. It certainly for me, but it is
for some people, and it can really be beautiful. And
being able to recognize that now all these years later,
it's fun to watch Nathan and Haley because I have
examples of Nathan and Haley's in my real life, and
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I'm rooting for them still. I love that. I love
that too, and I think that's a really great point.
You know, it's it's not for everyone, but I guess
that's kind of representative of the larger reality in general, right,
Like Jeff was like thirty seven when we were in
high school guys, but you know, it was for these
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two characters. Um certainly wasn't, you know, for Broker, for Peyton,
we as as characters, we were in really unhealthy relationships
in in the representation of our humans in high school.
And so I guess that's really it. You know, I
can't fathom being married to, you know, a person I
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dated in high school, but I can't say, you know,
my sweet baby cousin Shelby, who is the light of
my life, who you both know, she was like all
in on our show and when she fell in love
with her high school sweetheart, Nick was like, we're going
to be Nathan and Haley and and me being you know,
her older family member who gives her advice, was like,
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oh my god, we've modeled, we've done Oh my gosh.
And they're married and they're the greatest young married couple
on earth and they're, you know, now in their late
twenties and they're perfect. And I'm like, you guys did it,
and I love it for them, And so I think
you're right. It's like it's a case by case basis,
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and if it's not supposed to work, it surely will not.
But when it does, it's beautiful. Anything in life we
make the choices that we make based on who we
are and what we're capable of knowing at the time.
So if somebody feels like they're really ready to get
married in high school and they're well, not in high school,
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but like I guess they're almost out of high school. God,
I don't know. You're right, it's not for everyone, but
if some somebody has I know. Wait, okay, so what
else happened in this episode? What do we need to
talk about? Um? We need to talk about Dev flipping
out on Oh, dev needing to place her deep guilt
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anywhere but on herself and taking it out on Nathan
and Haley. When she said you shut your selfish little mouth.
I was like, oh, my god, between as on the
planet and you shut yourself as a little bit Like
Dev is a totally different person in season tips. She
is all over the place in this episode Wolf. But
then it got it. It broke my heart as soon
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as she breaks Haley and Nathan and then walks out
and just loses it because you realize, you know, she
doesn't mean it. She's just lashing out in pain, which
is no less damaging, especially to children. My god, but oh,
what was it like to shoot that scene with Barbara
when you put your hand on your ring, I was like,
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oh my god, Oh my godah, I godah, I got it.
Gave me so much anxiety. It was so good. I
forgot that was coming. I totally forgot that was coming.
And as soon as she started feeling my ring, I
was like, Oh my god, Oh she's gonna She's gonna
remus right now. Um, she's just such a pro. I
don't That's one of the only scenes I don't remember
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being in. Uh. I don't have the muscle memory of
that in this episode that it was one of the
only scenes in the episode that I didn't remember. So
you were as shocked as we were, totally shocked. Totally shocked. Also,
by the way, just a side note, because I heard
the rest of the last episode that you guys did
after I left, and you were saying, um that Hillary,
you were saying, did anybody by that that Brooke was
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teamed up with Peyton to Nikki into leaving town. I
bought that a percent. I really did, because you know, again,
I hadn't really seen the show, so I thought, Okay,
this this goes. I could see this storyline with Brook
carrying out longer that she still has a lot of
anger to work out, and now she's being evil with
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Nicky Moore, and I bought it. So when when Nicki
left and you know, Peyton comes in, I knew by
the time Peyton showed up, I was like, wait back in.
But there were some good misleads. There was some good misleads.
And this thing with the ring was a good um
surprise moment too for me. I did not see that
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coming well. And then when Karen finds deb in the
hallway and then they continue their conversation at the cafe,
you know, I'd forgotten about the Keith in front of
the fireplace of it all. And so when there when
Karen's like, Keith really needs to come back. He's so
good in a crisis and just has to take it.
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She's literally having the worst day of her life. He's
good in as so good in a crisis. One of
the things I really loved speaking of Karen in the
cafe was her scene with you Joy. I don't know
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if you remember that one, but when Aaron sits down
with Haley and oh yeah, it's just so beautiful when
she's saying, you know, I was I was in love
in high school once and it faded, and my wish
is that it doesn't fade for you. It was this gorgeous,
like tender moment of advice and it was really honest
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but tempered with so much generosity. You know, I loved
that scene. Do you remember? I don't remember a lot
of it, but what I do remember is that it
was I think it was the first scene I had
with Moira where it was vulnerable and emotional. I don't
know that she and I had had. She had a
lot of those with Lucas and a lot of I've
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been around for a lot of banter and stuff, but
not a one on one I'm going to give you
my motherly advice right now kind of a scene. Um.
I actually would have loved have seen something between Bess
and Moira. I wish we had gotten to see some
Karen and and Lydia um, because I have to assume
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they were friends, right, Like if you grow up with Lucas, yeah, totally.
You know what it is. You're the last of all
the kids, and as someone with children, you don't make
friends with the little one's parents. You've already done it
with the older kids. I'm friended out guys done totally.
That makes so much sense, yea. And isn't Haley the
youngest of like five or six or something, so that
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that would mean that Lydia is older than dev and Karen.
They didn't go to high school together anything, so they
may not really. But I loved sitting with Moira and
just having I joy. Loved being able to have a
vulnerable moment with Moira, even though it was through acting. Um.
It felt comforting to me because I think I had
had craved it as an actress, and I craved it
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as um as a person who really admired her. That
I was kind of like taking what I could get.
I was so happy to have an excuse to just
be all dough eyed and hold Moira's hand and share
vulnerability with her was really cool. I loved that We'll
see I interpreted that a little like the scene a
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little darker because when Karen says I was in love
with high school too, what she's not saying is and
it was with Dan, and we know what a bad
guy he is now and Nathan is very much his song,
and so it filled to me a little like I'm
supporting you, but I'm also warning you, like, yeah, that
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was there. That was it for sure for me at
the time. Like as Haley, I don't think Haley was
really I don't know if she was catching all that.
I feel like she was. Well, when we're kids, we
hear what we want to hear. Yeah, as an adult,
definitely here it was definitely a warning of like a
be careful, but also I'm here for you if everything
blows up. When it all blows up, will be here.
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I'll make coffee ut. Yeah, you know, I like messy.
The grown ups are on our show. I've said this before.
I feel like if I got this script as an
adult for one of like deb or Karen's roles, I'd
be like, oh my god, awesome, like great because the
stories are so fleshed out and fun. And I don't
know how many shows are doing that, you know, younger generation,
(38:19):
older generation thing. Even Dawson's was like pretty much just
about the kids. You only saw that grown ups every
once in a while. So I don't know, are there
shows that we need to be watching that the viewers
can tell us about that have both grown ups and kids. Yeah,
I would love to know what are the favorite teen
shows right now that are in this genre because I'm not.
(38:39):
I don't have my finger on the pulse. Well I
don't have a teenager, you know. I'm like, yeah, we're
watching a lot of Craig of the Creek. Yeah, right
in and tell us I loved Um. Did you guys
see Generation on HBO? Girl if It's Hot on Nick Jr?
Or like what I It was one of my pandemic shows.
(38:59):
I love it so much. And I just found out
they're not coming back for a second season, which really
bummed me out. It's a really beautiful look at a
bunch of kids in high school. Um, but yeah, not
a not a lot of their parents either. I wonder
who's doing the kind of balanced kids at school parents.
You know, it feels like Stranger Things. It's like the
(39:20):
only show, the only thing we didn't have a tree hill.
It was like Aliens and the other side. Oh my gosh.
Season ten. Um. This is another listener question. Courtney says,
do you feel one character had a harder life than others?
And were you ever like, wow, your character was really
(39:43):
dealt a bad hands. Uh yeah, I'd like to confirm this. Yes,
to this day, I still like have kids coming up
to me like, how many dead moms do you have?
Like you got shot and assaulted wise in your own
home that you had to live in all by yourself afterwards,
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it like, you know, Peyton's crazy train was relentless. Um.
I think it's made me a much more apathetic person
in real life because I'm like, well, at least it's
not Peyton Sawyer's drama. Like it's the worst that could
happen to me. Um, Yeah she was. She was a
rough one. Yeah, I It's funny. I get a lot
(40:25):
of that too, where people are like, man, Brooke Davis
just had it really rough. How many times did you
get punched in the face all the time? Yeah? I
got attacked and stalked and beaten and and like left
and dumped and betrayed. It was just like terrible. Um,
but you know then then better. But yeah, Oh the drowning,
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Yeah I drowned after you left Hill. Yeah, I was
in like a gnarly I can't wait to get to
the stuff that I wasn't there for because I'm going
to be such a fan girl and be like, yeah
it was it was wild. Do you really drown? Yeah?
And Peyton didn't come home? What a pitch. No, I
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know you missed my wedding. God, I know, travesty, But
what are you gonna do? What happened to Nathan? Didn't
I heard Nathan was kidnapped or something, so James wouldn't happen.
He was kidnapped by their Russian mafia Tree Hill Hill Dan, somehow,
(41:31):
I don't know, And then I had to go undercover
and try and right now, your own husband, Yeah, I try.
I try, like dressed up like a hot street walker.
You were a prostatute, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
What happened? Oh my god, you guys. I'm going to
(41:53):
drink so much bourbon and watch season's seven through nine
and have the best time. We'll get there. When we
get into full jumping the Shark, we are definitely going
to have to just start making cocktails. We need a
shark sound effect that Easton can put in when we're
like done speaking of speaking of sharks and notions and things.
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Perhaps my favorite part of this episode is when Keith
and Lucas are like reasons to stay in Charleston and
they're like, we don't have a view like this in
Tree Hill, where we then established that Brook and Payton
are definitely at the beach and Tree Hill and Helly
gets married in front of the most beautiful body of
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and Brooks dad has a boat. There's been a beach
house and dance like the whole show. I don't know
why they didn't just go take I mean, they had
the money. I don't know why they didn't just take
Craig and Chad to Charleston and walk on Rainbow Row
or something like. There's just so there's so many interesting
things to see in Charleston. I don't know why they
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do because they got their stuff for the viewers at home,
the stuff with Chad and Craig. When Keith and Lucas
go to Charleston, they just shot on Wrightsville Beach. That
was Helmington's still. It was just a different Carolina beach.
Maybe I don't know, but it was just so rightful,
you know, it was right Ville they were when they
(43:20):
were looking out Keith's apartment window, it was looking at
doc Side, the restaurant at the beach that we used
to go to. This is so funny that there, I mean,
Charleston is like it's a four hour drive. It's like
a totally different but it's a totally different world. That
would have been so easy, just not so funny. No
views like this and tree Hill even though this Tree Hill,
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except every single one of them. Um, what did you guys?
Just speaking of cocktails, what did you guys have over Thanksgiving?
What did you guys drink on Thanksgiving? Well? I was
telling you guys, the reason I'm hurting so bad is
because Rose Berne introduced me to something called penicillin, good
old penicillin. But it's like a whiskey sit Yeah, what
(44:06):
is this? It's a it's like a bourbon and ginger
and what else is There's honey? I think there's honey
in it? Um took it up. Love a penicillin? We did. Um.
We we did a sort of like a pot lucky situation,
and because Grant and I had to travel, we did
all the wine. Shocking. Yeah, I mean we literally have
(44:30):
a wine suitcase. Now. It looks like a like a camera. Yeah,
you know, like camera equipment travels in those Pelican cases.
It's like one of those, but just for wine. No,
it's not. This is a real thing, you guys. It's
a real thing. It's so incredible. His parents got it
for us and we were like we were like, oh,
sweet Dave and Paula, this is ridiculous. We will never
use this. We use it all the time. It's the
(44:51):
best gift. Yes, so you travel with it empty and
then you buy wine wherever you go and bring the wine.
Or in this case, because we were coming we were
traveling in for Thanksgiving, we brought wine. So all of
the stuff that we've been sourcing at home and like
from all the natural vineyards in California, we brought all
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of this amazing wine to Oklahoma with us. And yeah,
we did like an eight bottle tasting for everyone, and
then some of us decided to finish the bottles that
weren't empty, and so us a few of us. I also,
(45:31):
like Hillary, have a terrible headache today, but honestly, it
was so worth it. Did you guys ever read Speaking
of hangovers, did you ever read the stein book? Steinbeck Book.
That's a hard thing to say three times fast when
you're hungover. Steinbeck Book travels with Charlie. He's so good. Steinbeck,
in like in his later years, decided he needed to
(45:52):
hit the road again and packed up a camper van
with his dog and was like, honey, I'll be back
and just like went and drove around America and wrote
this beautiful book about traveling with his dog, and he
talks about how um you have to, you know, wear
your your hangovers with pride because they're a consequence for
a well lived life and a good time. And I
just love it. So on days like today, I'm like,
(46:14):
you know what we earned? This last night was great.
I'm I'm getting an idea here where we need to
do a drama Queen's hangover tour of the United States
with your wine suitcase, Like how many cities and we
can take your maggie. Yeah. Great, We'll bring a dog
and bring a wine suitcase and we'll just go on
a tour and send us you're in kids, and we'll shoot.
(46:37):
It's like the mall tours we did but adult. Yeah,
inspired by Steinbeck and and red Wine. It'll be great,
the drama Queen's Hangover Tour. What were you drinking? Joy?
Would you make? Um? I had? I also had some whiskey.
I had a nice old fashioned um but with honey
syrup instead of simple syrup, which I really liked. And
(46:58):
I don't like old fashions are too sweet, But I
do love a good you know, look, it's got to
have the look sardo cherry. It's got to have a
little little orange twist. Um. I thought that went nicely
with I make cranberry sauce every Thanksgiving. I have my
my same recipe that I've been making for years, and um,
it also has some vanilla and orange in it. So
(47:22):
mixed that up with my with my whiskey. It was
a very nice Japanese whiskey, nice and smooth, and my
friend had you know the ice cubes that are around
that are proper. Oh yeah, good stuff, Joey. I like
your voice when you talk about liquor because it gets
really like tender and soft, and I feel like you
need all you need, like a whole podcast of you
(47:44):
just being like and now you pour the whiskey over
the ice. Yeah, it's like a Saturday at Live, skin
like sweaty balls. But the kids don't know what I'm
talking about. Hold on, before we end the show, I
just want to say my favorite part of the last
week was that Saturday Night Live last week did a
(48:05):
skit about a karaoke bar in Wilmington, North Carolina. They
didn't they thickly call out Wilmington's North Carolina and I
feel assaulted. Oh my god, please go and look up
this night from SNL. They're like, come and at you
from the karaoke bar here and Wilmen to North Carolina,
and I feel like someone's making fun of me, um,
(48:26):
of all of us. Yeah, I saw. I saw a
couple of friends from Wilmington's post about it. I'm like,
hold on a second, and sure enough, I want to
be at that party. There there to be at that
party so that behind the scenes. Oh boy, should we
spend a wheel. I'm so happy that we got to
(48:49):
start off the new season. I just was really fun
to see season to start up, and um, there's so
many adventures to be had. Who is most likely to
cry watching a movie on a plane? I mean, who
isn't like, yeah, yeah, we're all suckers, all right, Okay,
(49:10):
let's pick. Let's pick somebody that's not us from the show.
Who's our cry baby? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, maybe honestly, Yeah,
he feels big feelings and doesn't like for people to know.
I've seen Antoine get tender. Yeah that's right. I think
you nailed it. Yeah, I love that. I mean when yeah,
(49:34):
when he starts talking about like Phil Collins and like
songs that like move him and you know, like, yeah,
Antin would definitely be the one to watch, you know something,
something truly touching the notebook? Yeah, okay, but what character
on the show, Well, you know who gets really emotional
(49:56):
in this episode? Why not Skills? Oh? Who Whitey? Yeah?
I was thinking Whitey because he does get He's in
that hospital bed, like thinking about life and getting emotional.
I don't think Whitey would watch a movie on a plane. Yeah,
but what if he watched like Turner classic movies on
a plane. It was just crying watching James Cagney every
(50:18):
time he can't turn the TV off. He doesn't know
how to like change thanks involuntarily is weaving? Uh? Yeah,
I hope you won't cry on airplanes. It's good to
feel things and then it is and then do therapy.
So that's our show, guys. I hope that you guys
had a great weekend and that you've got advil and
(50:40):
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week is the episode two. It's truth doesn't make a noise.
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Season two. Welcome back everyone. We're so happy you're joining
us for season two Episode one. How cute is this episode?
That was delicious, which is why I meet in a
muffin right now. That episode and I was like, oh,
you see stuff, and like just heartwarming stuff and the comedy.
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We had a lot of good things in this season premiere.
This was called The Desperate Kingdom of Love. Air date
September twenty one, two thousand and four. Um, I have
my sex radio voice on because I'm a little I
think we're all a little hungover from guys, we did it.
I appreciate that we're referencing this joy because I think
(01:11):
it shows the power of our show that we were
all very hungover. And then throughout the course of watching
the episode, I feel like I perked up. I feel
much better. Yeah, for sure, Um, Hillary, will you read
the synopsis? Okay baby. After Lucas and Keith learned that
Dan had a heart attack, they decide it is best
(01:31):
for them to return to Tree Hill. When deb learns
about Haley and Nathan's marriage, she flips the out. Meanwhile,
angry that Lucas left Tree Hill without saying goodbye, Peyton
and Brooke try to mend their friendship. This was an
epic episode for Brooking, Peyton, I loved it well for
you too. But I remember filming this episode. Do you
(01:53):
guys remember this one? Yes? Yeah, it was such It
was such like I don't know, sweet victory, that we
got to come back because it was just not a
given thing. And so I think I think the fact
that we got to come back and then just like
jump into crazy Town it was fun. I was like, oh,
we get to do a whole other year this, you
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know what's crazy? Though? I remember I mean so well,
like we're like we were there yesterday Hill. I remember
us doing our our boat day beach and all of
that boat day, um, and I think because it made
such an impact on all of us. Obviously, I remember
the Haley and Nathan wedding. I couldn't wait to get
to that scene. Joy. I was like, I just can't
I can't wait to see your hair. I can't wait
(02:35):
to see your hair with the flower in it. I
still remember it from when it aired. She looks like
a painting, just like a sweet cherub. But the craziest
part is I remember so well those things. And when
the episode opened with Deb's nightmare about Dan's funeral, I
was like, what is this we didn't do I mean,
(02:56):
I see myself, but I was not in this scene.
When did we do this? I have no recollection. I
loved that mislead. It was a released I thought it
was a really smart way to start the episode because
then everybody's like, oh my god, damn well, I just remember,
you know, my boyfriend and my brother are both in production,
and so I remembered it because I remember how pissed
everyone was that we had to do this huge scene.
(03:19):
Was so many extras and with like this whole set
and like probably like flowers and all that. It's like
a crazy For thirty seconds, it was, Yeah, there's a
big deal, close ups of everybody. I think it was
absolutely worth it because it's set a tone for the
whole rest of the season. It also kind of set
(03:40):
a tone for our series where Mr Rex became a
very big part of our show, and you know, the
crazy town in jumping the shark and like doing crazy
stuff definitely became a part of our show in the
later seasons. So this was a good like what's what's happened?
Let's start with Brooke and Peyton though, because I was
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so I was so enamored of the two of you,
the way that we really got to see your friendship
like it was when you were little kids, and the
fact that you really have grown up together and to
get all the boy stuff out of the way and
all the drama out of the way and just be
friends again. And yeah, you had a little tiff over
the letter and whatever, but there was a a I
(04:25):
loved that you guys on a teen soap opera didn't
wear bathing suits on the boat, which I want to hear.
I want to hear about how that happen. You did,
and then well they did ended up doing this skinny
dipping thing, which is that was kind of cute thought
and those gorgeous shots of the two of you, this
sort of this epic friendship. I loved these iconic shots
(04:48):
of down the docks, seeing you guys walk towards us,
walk toward camera, hugging each other, and just being the
pals that you guys were the friends that everybody wanted
to have a friend like that in high school, and
we really got to see that shine in this episode. Well,
I thanks Joy. I mean, I remember filming this. I
remember Sophia and I this is you know, we always
(05:10):
were kind of on the same page, but I feel
like this was a time where we got to unite
because in the original script we were definitely invading suits
and also it was just gratuitous and dumb and and
I think that we still got the point across. But
I remember as being like, we'll lift up our tank tups,
but that's all you get, so if you can shoot
it from behind, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a
(05:32):
fun day out on the boat. And I wonder if
that was one of the appeals of the certain interrupt
I just I wonder if that was one of the
peals of our show with the main characters, that there's
the innocence was maintained in a time when a lot
of the other shows were doing a lot of salt,
a lot more selecious stuff with younger kids. And I
think as a teenager, if I had been a teenager
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watching that, there would have been a safety that I
felt in knowing that I could watch two of my
favorite friends be together and not feel like there was
I don't know, an example being an ironic element. Yeah,
you didn't have to witness people you looked up to
or wanted to be like being exploited and then think
(06:15):
that it was okay if someone exploited you. Yeah, and
not that there's anything wrong obviously, Like people wear bathing
suits on TV and on boats, and I mean there's
nothing wrong with it. It was just this in this
particular scenario, I feel like, because we wanted to just
feel safe within the friendship, it would have felt really
out of place for for you guys to have been
objectified during that particular moment. Well, and our bodies. Our
(06:38):
bodies were compared all the time. We talked about this
while we were watching the episode. I don't have boobs, guys,
Sophie's got great boobs, and they're you know, like thinking, man, Yeah,
we're all like mix and match. Each one of us
has like good parts, um, but when you're twenty one
and you're laying next to someone else on camera in
a bathing suit, there's there's no way that you don't
(06:59):
compare her yourself to them. And I know that I
didn't want to compare myself to you too. You know,
there were parts of me that I was very insecure about,
and so I like that we just kind of eliminated
that from the female dynamic and instead I had to
put on nudy suits to go swimming. We made that
(07:20):
so on sexy, literally did I. We were in like,
you know, bandos and high waisted like nude granny panties
in the water, Like nothing is less cute because I
can't swim. And we established that in the scene where
I went in the pool with Nathan and they knew
I couldn't swim, so they're like, let's put her in
(07:40):
the water again, and so we were in like knee
high water. You guys, it was not anything like we
weren't even really swimming. We had to crouch down. You
couldn't see the like dumb nude sports brawl thing. Oh yeah,
I love that, and yeah it was. It was not
a sexy day. Sorry, I hate to I loved and
(08:05):
I think you nailed it. Joy. There was just such
a sweetness to it, and it was fun for us
to play and I think, you know, perhaps part of
it feeling so organic and innocent, even in even in
the the reference to us, you know, choosing to just
go out on a boat in our skirts and our
tank tops, there was something really um wholesome. It was
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like getting back to a core of something. And after
we had gone through our first season of being compared
and having grown men talked to us about the way
we looked and and say things to each of us,
each of the three of us about why we were
You know that you're you're the one that nobody likes
kind of nonsense. What I loved about it was that
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that we got to you and I as performers but
also represent on screen like two girls just being girls
and enjoy You said it. You see the friendship they
had when they were little, and it it felt like
such a homecoming for the characters to who they used
to be. But I kind of felt that way even
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for you and me Hill, like I hadn't seen you
all summer. We were all very like, what does it
mean about being on our show, and and that's pointed
had blown up and we were the four people that
knew what it was like to live in that bubble.
And so yeah, I was excited to get back to
you and just kind of be like, what are we doing?
You know we do I don't know? Yeah, And it
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it felt like such a nice even returned to the
beginning of our friendship before our show was ever on
screen for other people. And I loved even when Brooke
and Peyton had the blow up about the letter, it
wasn't a cat fight. It was two people airing their
fears and vulnerabilities and being honest that they were afraid
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of what it would do to them, what someone else
would do to their friendship. Again point they resolved it
in such a great way. I was so glad that
that it was an expression. And then it was over
and they were like, I kind of love that they
burned the letter. Girl, this is not bad because it's pretext.
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It's really like an email was like sort of a thing,
but like you didn't really email people. A boy had
to write a physical letter on a piece of paper,
and once it was gone, it's gone forever. Like kids
take a note you just need to write it down
on paper and then um, yeah, it's a whole different game.
There's like mysticism to it when you write it down
on paper. I miss passing notes so much. Do you
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have boxes of notes from growing up? A shoe boxes? I? Actually, yeah,
I have one that used to be a stationary box,
I think, um, and it was full full of letters
that I particularly wrote back and forth with one person,
and like I have him from I would like wallpaper
from hotel room that the wallpaper was peeling, so I
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just feel a little more enjoy No, it was like seven,
sixteen seventeen. I'm traveling for work or whatever. I mean,
I don't know. She's in the Rundown motel with the peeling,
I'm telling you. And for some reason, my sixteen year
old brain was like, it's okay, if I tear this more,
gonna be good. But you know, like not, you just
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find whatever you could find, napkins, your test here, whatever,
and receipts, and you just pass a note. That's so fun.
What do we think the letter said? Good idea? I mean,
what could that letter have said? He has to have
been apologizing very girthy. That was why did they why
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did whoever did did why did whoever was managing our
props put so many pieces of paper and that envelope.
Maybe it was a direction thing. Maybe they wanted it
to look like it was. There was a lot to say,
because Lucas is certainly prolific, if nothing else, A wordy man. Yeah,
I mean he's gonna he's gonna wax poetic for sure. Yeah,
(12:06):
our resident author is going to have something to say. Yeah,
I bet he apologized, and I bet he was like
trying to be because it had to have been something
that could be said to both of you. Well, because
up until this point we'd given him for trying to
game the both of us by like going to Brooke
and apologizing, then going to pay and apologizing. So it
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actually is kind of a great move to be like, oh,
I'm acknowledging that I have been a wedge in between
you two. Let me address you as a unit, so
there's no hearsay. Let me just like acknowledge that you
two are a unit, um and and so yeah, I
appreciate that this boy is figuring out. Oh I tread
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on something that was very precious and I shouldn't respect it. Also,
Chad's haircut is spect so handsome. I love the shaved head. Yeah,
major our production always felt like they had to reference
are like hair changes, Like kids don't do that all
the time. We have to script in like a snarky
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line about it. And I'm like, yeah, Craig calls him
felicity because he cut his hair off, but he looks
so good. It's like it was such a good move.
I wonder why he didn't keep that. I don't know.
I was a fan. Yeah, I thought it was great
and it gave it gives him such a differentiation from James.
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But maybe that's part of it too, because we did
talk about how in season one they basically have the
same haircut. Yeah, like they they needed them to look
more similar. So maybe that's part of the reason too
that it was it wasn't until season two that he
could look different. Big fan, huge fan. And I think
that the you know, the work he was doing talking
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about I need to go back from my brother, like
my brother's on the go home list. I loved that.
I loved that too. I thought that was clever writing
it on a box on a moving box. That's a
fun little uh uh staging What did he say, Dan's
an ass, You're an ass? Your mom obliterated my heart.
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I like that they could just be frank with each
other about it. Sweet Keith. Hey, Keith, by the way,
showing up with that line of like finally laying down
and laying out exactly what we have been saying this
whole time, that here's this guy who's every life that
he's in, he just like it just falls apart. You know,
he's poison for everybody, and now the one time he's
(14:36):
in pain and he's hurting, now everybody's supposed to drop
everything to turn their life around and go help him. No.
I loved that. I'm so happy to hear somebody finally
say that. Yeah, but nobody followed through. I know the
lame answer, Well, he's your brother, go away. Sorry. UM,
you can't pick your family, what's your point? Yeah, exactly,
(14:58):
but you can pick who you're in a toxic really
aationship with UM. Let's talk about the toxic and deb
finding down on the floor, dial it yourself. Yeah. But
then okay, So I loved the dial it yourself because
I was like, okay, like she's earned this moment. But
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then it's followed up by the you're the assest ass
on the planet. Why did they write lines like that
for us? Well, it would be one thing if we
said it because we were children, um, but to have
like a grown as woman who we've established as like
a businesswoman and savvy and like incredibly intuitive and like
together all of a sudden starts talking like a kid.
(15:44):
It was really trite in the middle of that scenario.
Or he's having a heart attack. I think they were
probably trying to make it like I'm so cool, You're
having a heart attack and I can just sit here
and be flippant, but it was it just didn't sit right.
It all so feels like those those terms were always
the placeholders for the swear words we weren't allowed to say.
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You know, if it was real life, deb would have
been like you are such a selfish motherfucker. She wasn't
allowed to say that. So then you this woman, this
like chic smart woman going you are the assiest ass
and no, no, middle of a well you know what,
she pulled it off. I mean she she committed to
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That's the thing I love about Barb. She commits to
every piece of it. And you can tell even when
I noticed that in the chapel when she was saying
I thought I was going to lose you. Um, those
are the words on the page most people would say, Gunna,
I thought I was going to lose you. I thought
I was going to lose you. And even just committing
to the phrasing that was on the page is a
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testament to her ability um to take whatever is given
to her and turn it into something that sounds natural
and that's really good. So I loved the way that
she handled that in the end um and then Dan
going to the hospital and everybody thinking that he's going
to die, and then him waking up to Keith dead.
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You guys, we fell out. We fell out. It was
such a and we knew we all he's gonna wake up.
Now he's gonna wake This is gonna be the first
thing he sees. And then it happened and we were like, Wow, Joy,
wasn't you? You're like, I love TV so much. I
love TV, man, it's so good because you know what's
(17:35):
you know what they have to do to make you cringe,
and then they do it and it's so satisfying. I
want to talk about the Nathan and Hilly of it all.
Because we left season one with a major cliffhanger of
just like, wait, these kids got married, and it was
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like very like kids getting married. But your performance in
this sells it in such a strong earnest what you're
so earnest you and I believe Haley, and I trust Haley,
and I find myself being like good kids get married. Yes, fine,
you know, like you made it so easy to believe
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something that is, you know, way out of bounds, way
way out of bounds, but it but it is. It's
so beautiful in your earnestness. And one of the things
I will say that I love and I thought this
was great writing is that Nathan is so sure and
and the the all of the this is a little crazy.
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Is this crazy comes from Haley. And so often we
see young women being the ones who are swept up
by the romance and the fairy tale and and and
it did something so dynamic to allow the two of
you to each represent the shure nous of the love
but also the very natural fear and anxiety, and to
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play off of each other and to find it and
and to see Haley find it when she tells her parents,
you know, I'm not impulsive, I don't make rash decisions.
This is what I want. And then to see your
parents have the conversation, even about their young love story.
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It did. It grounded this thing that should be totally
insane and made it feel so real that that even
me who's like, oh I would can't imagine if I
had been that insane in high school. Thank God I wasn't.
Should I believe it for them? What do I remember?
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What do you remember from shooting this episode? Because this
is a huge for you. It wasn't actually remember a
lot about this episode, Um I have. I had a
lot of sort of visceral muscle memories of the walking
into Haley's house, which we really see her kitchen and
everything for the first time. Also, what a strange mislead
the walking into Haley's house and seeing um African American
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woman sitting at the table, and then but it was
like as though that's Haley's mom, and then it's not,
it's just a family friend, but like it's just such
a random Why Yah, tree Hill has a diversity problem.
I don't know if we've noticed tree Hill is like
the whitest town on the planets. Certainly the whitest town
in the South, and they were like, oh, we need
(20:30):
to fix this in strange ways. Um it was just
so you know, behind the scenes, I think that was
a constant conversation that we were always having, just like
and so you we're gonna over the course of the
show see that introduced in like very strange ways. But
this was certainly up there with the oddness. So weird
but anyway, Um, so we got through that and then
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I remember, I do remember shooting that scene with Bess
and Hue because I was super excited. I was a
big fan of best from my so called life and
obviously Huey Lewis is such a legend, um, and I
was very excited to work with both of them, and
they were such pros and they made it so comfortable
and um, just we had a lot of fun and
I felt really seen as an actor in the moment
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when I would know because it was so important that
Haley her that her earnestness and her ability to make
these decisions for herself at a very young age came
through and was received by her parents, and the fact
that these guys were such pros and and so able
(21:37):
to kind of catch what was needed with him the
scene within within the character in order to to um
make the storyline cohesive. I hope I'm making sense, and
I was kind of long winded, but yeah, I just
feel like they knew exactly what to do, so I
wasn't struggling to really prove, like I can do this.
I'm I'm, I'm please trust me. You know, they were hippies,
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you know, they knew how to just play this sort
of hippie thing, so that was great. Um. And what
else do I remember? The wedding? Oh my god, you
look so pretty, pretty pretty, and dressing the hair, and
we got are always in forever, We got are always
and forever. It finally happened. But I also remember sitting
(22:19):
in front of those c ds and crying in that
white that line, I'm not a wife, I'm not even
a s funny. Such a good line, such a good line. Um.
I remembered being there, and that was my first My
first time crying on the show. Wasn't really really, I
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don't know, oh no, no, no, sitting in the cafe was.
But I hadn't done any other crying since then, and
I was new to crying. I used to have a
really hard time crying on things. So I was glad
that it's join you cry the best, like you could
cry time I do now, but I I used for years.
I mean, if you ever go watch any of my
work on Guiding Light, I was the worst. I was like,
(23:01):
I'm just crunched up my face but nothing would come out. Terrible.
I was really bad because I had no I wasn't
in touch with my emotions at all. I needed therapy
to cut to our commercial. Um. Yeah, so that was
fun crying over the c ds and I loved that
scene too. That is really how high schoolers think, isn't it?
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You know or you know we we just one little
thing will send us spinning. Yeah. Well. Also, the difference
in the way you look at relationships as a teenager
and as an adult is very different. It's like I
remember being a teenager and thinking that love or attraction
was having mutual interests, like do we like the same band,
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what's my favorite color? Do you like my friends because
I like my friends? What's your favorite movie? So if
you had trivia in common, it felt like like some
cosmic thing where it's like, oh, fantastic, I found my
mirror and I can see myself for flected in this person,
and we like all the same stuff. Well this Jack
asked behind me. When I'm at him, Jeff just walked
(24:06):
through the room. He was like, I don't care about
your favorite color, I don't care about your favorite band.
Where do you want to do when you grow up?
You know? He was like, And so the relationship was
based on where are you going as opposed to what
do you like? And I think that's a much healthier
And Nathan wants to go where Haley is going, you know,
when he says you're my family now. He was so sure.
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He was so sure, and James played it so beautifully.
He I mean, the way he looks at you in
those scenes, it's so earnest. And again, I'm just so
impressed with him, you know, as as the baby brother
of our bunch, like James being eighteen at I guess,
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I guess he would have just turned nineteen because this
was the beginning of season two out because we always
started in the beginning of Joe and James's birthdays, not
till the end, so he's still eighteen when you guys
shot this. And the fact that he brought that kind
of a genuine earnestness. Two this boy, you know, he
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he he showed up with vulnerability and a kind of
steadfast energy that you usually don't see in young boys.
You you see that in healthy older men who have
also been to ding ding ring the bell therapy. We
love therapy on this show, and it's it's beautiful. Do
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you think that came from him having such bad relationships
modeled for him? That there was something like usually when
people grow up having bad relationships modeled for them, I
would say, usually they tend to model the same thing
that they saw, and it's just a repeated cycle unless
somebody intentionally changes that. But it seems like he's been
(25:59):
doing a lot of internal work. Nathan seems to have
become much more introspective over the last season. Um, and
I don't know. It's it seems like maybe he's ready
for this in a way that he's so sure because
he knows, he's seen so much of what he doesn't want,
and who knows what I don't know. I'm the best
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example because this is an entire series about kids breaking
generational curses. You know, Yeah, every single character in our
show is like I don't want that, you know, I'm
not going to be you know, Hayley's parents are like
kind of transient. So what does she do? She like
doubles down and it's like, I'm Queen of Tree Hill,
you know, like I'm going to have these strong us.
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Brooke has absent parents and decides to become, you know,
a super intense parent and commit to the town and
stay put and focus on community as opposed to like
fame and fortune in the city every single care And
obviously the boys breaking the Dan curse. It's yeah to
what the basis of the show is. So to see
our male characters doing it is exciting. Mm hmm. Yeah. Thanks.
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This person George just walked in. She's like generational curse.
Did someone say my name over here? You're so quick, Hilary.
I I what I appreciate most about the Haley Nathan
storyline is that your parents were introduced and we got
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full Haley context that we didn't receive at any point
in season one. We'd heard like widows about what your
family was, and without any exposition, like no one says that,
No one says like Haley, your twenty seven sisters, you
know your mom yelling Haley's pregnant out the window. We
know that you've got older sisters and they've been down
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this road before. You know, like they just flesh out
the family in a seamless way with and I hate expositions.
So the way that was so master it was really smart.
So we have a I mean, I don't want to
go to listener questions too quick unless we can sort
of incorporate it in if it doesn't bother you guys,
because we have a listener question that's particularly it's about
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this topic, which is do you think Haley and Nathan's
young marriage had a positive or negative effect on younger viewers?
And that question was from Dominique. Hi. Dominique, Um, that's
a it's a really good question. I actually did wonder
about that when we were filming it. I was like,
is this our teenager is now going to want to
go out and get married because they do you guys. Obviously,
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I'm still very connected to everyone I went to high
school with to my hometown and so you know, I've
really turned my nose up at like being with the
person I was with in high school because I was like,
I'm getting out of here, I'm going to New York
but what I can say over twenty years later is
that the relationships of my friends who are still with
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the people they were with in high school are some
of the healthiest marriages I have examples of, really, because
we've known each other our whole lives. Their weddings were
like class reunions, um. And there's a shorthand there where
now that we're starting to go through really traumatic life
things like you know, child loss and our parents getting
(29:25):
sick and dying and really like big issues to be
with a person who's known you your whole life. It's
not for everyone. It certainly for me, but it is
for some people, and it can really be beautiful. And
being able to recognize that now all these years later,
it's fun to watch Nathan and Haley because I have
examples of Nathan and Haley's in my real life, and
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I'm rooting for them still. I love that. I love
that too, and I think that's a really great point.
You know, it's it's not for everyone, but I guess
that's kind of representative of the larger reality in general, right,
Like Jeff was like thirty seven when we were in
high school guys, but you know, it was for these
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two characters. Um certainly wasn't, you know, for Broker, for Peyton,
we as as characters, we were in really unhealthy relationships
in in the representation of our humans in high school.
And so I guess that's really it. You know, I
can't fathom being married to, you know, a person I
(30:35):
dated in high school, but I can't say, you know,
my sweet baby cousin Shelby, who is the light of
my life, who you both know, she was like all
in on our show and when she fell in love
with her high school sweetheart, Nick was like, we're going
to be Nathan and Haley and and me being you know,
her older family member who gives her advice, was like,
(30:55):
oh my god, we've modeled, we've done Oh my gosh.
And they're married and they're the greatest young married couple
on earth and they're, you know, now in their late
twenties and they're perfect. And I'm like, you guys did it,
and I love it for them, And so I think
you're right. It's like it's a case by case basis,
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and if it's not supposed to work, it surely will not.
But when it does, it's beautiful. Anything in life we
make the choices that we make based on who we
are and what we're capable of knowing at the time.
So if somebody feels like they're really ready to get
married in high school and they're well, not in high school,
(31:38):
but like I guess they're almost out of high school. God,
I don't know. You're right, it's not for everyone, but
if some somebody has I know. Wait, okay, so what
else happened in this episode? What do we need to
talk about? Um? We need to talk about Dev flipping
out on Oh, dev needing to place her deep guilt
(32:04):
anywhere but on herself and taking it out on Nathan
and Haley. When she said you shut your selfish little mouth.
I was like, oh, my god, between as on the
planet and you shut yourself as a little bit Like
Dev is a totally different person in season tips. She
is all over the place in this episode Wolf. But
then it got it. It broke my heart as soon
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as she breaks Haley and Nathan and then walks out
and just loses it because you realize, you know, she
doesn't mean it. She's just lashing out in pain, which
is no less damaging, especially to children. My god, but oh,
what was it like to shoot that scene with Barbara
when you put your hand on your ring, I was like,
(32:48):
oh my god, Oh my godah, I godah, I got it.
Gave me so much anxiety. It was so good. I
forgot that was coming. I totally forgot that was coming.
And as soon as she started feeling my ring, I
was like, Oh my god, Oh she's gonna She's gonna
remus right now. Um, she's just such a pro. I
don't That's one of the only scenes I don't remember
(33:08):
being in. Uh. I don't have the muscle memory of
that in this episode that it was one of the
only scenes in the episode that I didn't remember. So
you were as shocked as we were, totally shocked. Totally shocked. Also,
by the way, just a side note, because I heard
the rest of the last episode that you guys did
after I left, and you were saying, um that Hillary,
you were saying, did anybody by that that Brooke was
(33:31):
teamed up with Peyton to Nikki into leaving town. I
bought that a percent. I really did, because you know, again,
I hadn't really seen the show, so I thought, Okay,
this this goes. I could see this storyline with Brook
carrying out longer that she still has a lot of
anger to work out, and now she's being evil with
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Nicky Moore, and I bought it. So when when Nicki
left and you know, Peyton comes in, I knew by
the time Peyton showed up, I was like, wait back in.
But there were some good misleads. There was some good misleads.
And this thing with the ring was a good um
surprise moment too for me. I did not see that
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coming well. And then when Karen finds deb in the
hallway and then they continue their conversation at the cafe,
you know, I'd forgotten about the Keith in front of
the fireplace of it all. And so when there when
Karen's like, Keith really needs to come back. He's so
good in a crisis and just has to take it.
(34:33):
She's literally having the worst day of her life. He's
good in as so good in a crisis. One of
the things I really loved speaking of Karen in the
cafe was her scene with you Joy. I don't know
(34:58):
if you remember that one, but when Aaron sits down
with Haley and oh yeah, it's just so beautiful when
she's saying, you know, I was I was in love
in high school once and it faded, and my wish
is that it doesn't fade for you. It was this gorgeous,
like tender moment of advice and it was really honest
(35:20):
but tempered with so much generosity. You know, I loved
that scene. Do you remember? I don't remember a lot
of it, but what I do remember is that it
was I think it was the first scene I had
with Moira where it was vulnerable and emotional. I don't
know that she and I had had. She had a
lot of those with Lucas and a lot of I've
(35:41):
been around for a lot of banter and stuff, but
not a one on one I'm going to give you
my motherly advice right now kind of a scene. Um.
I actually would have loved have seen something between Bess
and Moira. I wish we had gotten to see some
Karen and and Lydia um, because I have to assume
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they were friends, right, Like if you grow up with Lucas, yeah, totally.
You know what it is. You're the last of all
the kids, and as someone with children, you don't make
friends with the little one's parents. You've already done it
with the older kids. I'm friended out guys done totally.
That makes so much sense, yea. And isn't Haley the
youngest of like five or six or something, so that
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that would mean that Lydia is older than dev and Karen.
They didn't go to high school together anything, so they
may not really. But I loved sitting with Moira and
just having I joy. Loved being able to have a
vulnerable moment with Moira, even though it was through acting. Um.
It felt comforting to me because I think I had
had craved it as an actress, and I craved it
(36:47):
as um as a person who really admired her. That
I was kind of like taking what I could get.
I was so happy to have an excuse to just
be all dough eyed and hold Moira's hand and share
vulnerability with her was really cool. I loved that We'll
see I interpreted that a little like the scene a
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little darker because when Karen says I was in love
with high school too, what she's not saying is and
it was with Dan, and we know what a bad
guy he is now and Nathan is very much his song,
and so it filled to me a little like I'm
supporting you, but I'm also warning you, like, yeah, that
(37:31):
was there. That was it for sure for me at
the time. Like as Haley, I don't think Haley was
really I don't know if she was catching all that.
I feel like she was. Well, when we're kids, we
hear what we want to hear. Yeah, as an adult,
definitely here it was definitely a warning of like a
be careful, but also I'm here for you if everything
blows up. When it all blows up, will be here.
(37:55):
I'll make coffee ut. Yeah, you know, I like messy.
The grown ups are on our show. I've said this before.
I feel like if I got this script as an
adult for one of like deb or Karen's roles, I'd
be like, oh my god, awesome, like great because the
stories are so fleshed out and fun. And I don't
know how many shows are doing that, you know, younger generation,
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older generation thing. Even Dawson's was like pretty much just
about the kids. You only saw that grown ups every
once in a while. So I don't know, are there
shows that we need to be watching that the viewers
can tell us about that have both grown ups and kids. Yeah,
I would love to know what are the favorite teen
shows right now that are in this genre because I'm not.
(38:39):
I don't have my finger on the pulse. Well I
don't have a teenager, you know. I'm like, yeah, we're
watching a lot of Craig of the Creek. Yeah, right
in and tell us I loved Um. Did you guys
see Generation on HBO? Girl if It's Hot on Nick Jr?
Or like what I It was one of my pandemic shows.
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I love it so much. And I just found out
they're not coming back for a second season, which really
bummed me out. It's a really beautiful look at a
bunch of kids in high school. Um, but yeah, not
a not a lot of their parents either. I wonder
who's doing the kind of balanced kids at school parents.
You know, it feels like Stranger Things. It's like the
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only show, the only thing we didn't have a tree hill.
It was like Aliens and the other side. Oh my gosh.
Season ten. Um. This is another listener question. Courtney says,
do you feel one character had a harder life than others?
And were you ever like, wow, your character was really
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dealt a bad hands. Uh yeah, I'd like to confirm this. Yes,
to this day, I still like have kids coming up
to me like, how many dead moms do you have?
Like you got shot and assaulted wise in your own
home that you had to live in all by yourself afterwards,
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it like, you know, Peyton's crazy train was relentless. Um.
I think it's made me a much more apathetic person
in real life because I'm like, well, at least it's
not Peyton Sawyer's drama. Like it's the worst that could
happen to me. Um, Yeah she was. She was a
rough one. Yeah, I It's funny. I get a lot
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of that too, where people are like, man, Brooke Davis
just had it really rough. How many times did you
get punched in the face all the time? Yeah? I
got attacked and stalked and beaten and and like left
and dumped and betrayed. It was just like terrible. Um,
but you know then then better. But yeah, Oh the drowning,
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Yeah I drowned after you left Hill. Yeah, I was
in like a gnarly I can't wait to get to
the stuff that I wasn't there for because I'm going
to be such a fan girl and be like, yeah
it was it was wild. Do you really drown? Yeah?
And Peyton didn't come home? What a pitch. No, I
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know you missed my wedding. God, I know, travesty, But
what are you gonna do? What happened to Nathan? Didn't
I heard Nathan was kidnapped or something, so James wouldn't happen.
He was kidnapped by their Russian mafia Tree Hill Hill Dan, somehow,
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I don't know, And then I had to go undercover
and try and right now, your own husband, Yeah, I try.
I try, like dressed up like a hot street walker.
You were a prostatute, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
What happened? Oh my god, you guys. I'm going to
(41:53):
drink so much bourbon and watch season's seven through nine
and have the best time. We'll get there. When we
get into full jumping the Shark, we are definitely going
to have to just start making cocktails. We need a
shark sound effect that Easton can put in when we're
like done speaking of speaking of sharks and notions and things.
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Perhaps my favorite part of this episode is when Keith
and Lucas are like reasons to stay in Charleston and
they're like, we don't have a view like this in
Tree Hill, where we then established that Brook and Payton
are definitely at the beach and Tree Hill and Helly
gets married in front of the most beautiful body of
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and Brooks dad has a boat. There's been a beach
house and dance like the whole show. I don't know
why they didn't just go take I mean, they had
the money. I don't know why they didn't just take
Craig and Chad to Charleston and walk on Rainbow Row
or something like. There's just so there's so many interesting
things to see in Charleston. I don't know why they
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do because they got their stuff for the viewers at home,
the stuff with Chad and Craig. When Keith and Lucas
go to Charleston, they just shot on Wrightsville Beach. That
was Helmington's still. It was just a different Carolina beach.
Maybe I don't know, but it was just so rightful,
you know, it was right Ville they were when they
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were looking out Keith's apartment window, it was looking at
doc Side, the restaurant at the beach that we used
to go to. This is so funny that there, I mean,
Charleston is like it's a four hour drive. It's like
a totally different but it's a totally different world. That
would have been so easy, just not so funny. No
views like this and tree Hill even though this Tree Hill,
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except every single one of them. Um, what did you guys?
Just speaking of cocktails, what did you guys have over Thanksgiving?
What did you guys drink on Thanksgiving? Well? I was
telling you guys, the reason I'm hurting so bad is
because Rose Berne introduced me to something called penicillin, good
old penicillin. But it's like a whiskey sit Yeah, what
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is this? It's a it's like a bourbon and ginger
and what else is There's honey? I think there's honey
in it? Um took it up. Love a penicillin? We did. Um.
We we did a sort of like a pot lucky situation,
and because Grant and I had to travel, we did
all the wine. Shocking. Yeah, I mean we literally have
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a wine suitcase. Now. It looks like a like a camera. Yeah,
you know, like camera equipment travels in those Pelican cases.
It's like one of those, but just for wine. No,
it's not. This is a real thing, you guys. It's
a real thing. It's so incredible. His parents got it
for us and we were like we were like, oh,
sweet Dave and Paula, this is ridiculous. We will never
use this. We use it all the time. It's the
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best gift. Yes, so you travel with it empty and
then you buy wine wherever you go and bring the wine.
Or in this case, because we were coming we were
traveling in for Thanksgiving, we brought wine. So all of
the stuff that we've been sourcing at home and like
from all the natural vineyards in California, we brought all
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of this amazing wine to Oklahoma with us. And yeah,
we did like an eight bottle tasting for everyone, and
then some of us decided to finish the bottles that
weren't empty, and so us a few of us. I also,
(45:31):
like Hillary, have a terrible headache today, but honestly, it
was so worth it. Did you guys ever read Speaking
of hangovers, did you ever read the stein book? Steinbeck Book.
That's a hard thing to say three times fast when
you're hungover. Steinbeck Book travels with Charlie. He's so good. Steinbeck,
in like in his later years, decided he needed to
(45:52):
hit the road again and packed up a camper van
with his dog and was like, honey, I'll be back
and just like went and drove around America and wrote
this beautiful book about traveling with his dog, and he
talks about how um you have to, you know, wear
your your hangovers with pride because they're a consequence for
a well lived life and a good time. And I
just love it. So on days like today, I'm like,
(46:14):
you know what we earned? This last night was great.
I'm I'm getting an idea here where we need to
do a drama Queen's hangover tour of the United States
with your wine suitcase, Like how many cities and we
can take your maggie. Yeah. Great, We'll bring a dog
and bring a wine suitcase and we'll just go on
a tour and send us you're in kids, and we'll shoot.
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It's like the mall tours we did but adult. Yeah,
inspired by Steinbeck and and red Wine. It'll be great,
the drama Queen's Hangover Tour. What were you drinking? Joy?
Would you make? Um? I had? I also had some whiskey.
I had a nice old fashioned um but with honey
syrup instead of simple syrup, which I really liked. And
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I don't like old fashions are too sweet, But I
do love a good you know, look, it's got to
have the look sardo cherry. It's got to have a
little little orange twist. Um. I thought that went nicely
with I make cranberry sauce every Thanksgiving. I have my
my same recipe that I've been making for years, and um,
it also has some vanilla and orange in it. So
(47:22):
mixed that up with my with my whiskey. It was
a very nice Japanese whiskey, nice and smooth, and my
friend had you know the ice cubes that are around
that are proper. Oh yeah, good stuff, Joey. I like
your voice when you talk about liquor because it gets
really like tender and soft, and I feel like you
need all you need, like a whole podcast of you
(47:44):
just being like and now you pour the whiskey over
the ice. Yeah, it's like a Saturday at Live, skin
like sweaty balls. But the kids don't know what I'm
talking about. Hold on, before we end the show, I
just want to say my favorite part of the last
week was that Saturday Night Live last week did a
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skit about a karaoke bar in Wilmington, North Carolina. They
didn't they thickly call out Wilmington's North Carolina and I
feel assaulted. Oh my god, please go and look up
this night from SNL. They're like, come and at you
from the karaoke bar here and Wilmen to North Carolina,
and I feel like someone's making fun of me, um,
(48:26):
of all of us. Yeah, I saw. I saw a
couple of friends from Wilmington's post about it. I'm like,
hold on a second, and sure enough, I want to
be at that party. There there to be at that
party so that behind the scenes. Oh boy, should we
spend a wheel. I'm so happy that we got to
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start off the new season. I just was really fun
to see season to start up, and um, there's so
many adventures to be had. Who is most likely to
cry watching a movie on a plane? I mean, who
isn't like, yeah, yeah, we're all suckers, all right, Okay,
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let's pick. Let's pick somebody that's not us from the show.
Who's our cry baby? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, maybe honestly, Yeah,
he feels big feelings and doesn't like for people to know.
I've seen Antoine get tender. Yeah that's right. I think
you nailed it. Yeah, I love that. I mean when yeah,
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when he starts talking about like Phil Collins and like
songs that like move him and you know, like, yeah,
Antin would definitely be the one to watch, you know something,
something truly touching the notebook? Yeah, okay, but what character
on the show, Well, you know who gets really emotional
(49:56):
in this episode? Why not Skills? Oh? Who Whitey? Yeah?
I was thinking Whitey because he does get He's in
that hospital bed, like thinking about life and getting emotional.
I don't think Whitey would watch a movie on a plane. Yeah,
but what if he watched like Turner classic movies on
a plane. It was just crying watching James Cagney every
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time he can't turn the TV off. He doesn't know
how to like change thanks involuntarily is weaving? Uh? Yeah,
I hope you won't cry on airplanes. It's good to
feel things and then it is and then do therapy.
So that's our show, guys. I hope that you guys
had a great weekend and that you've got advil and
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whatever else you need to get over your hangovers. Next
week is the episode two. It's truth doesn't make a noise.
I don't really know what that means. I can't wait
to find out. I have a great week ladies, Hey,
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