December 10, 2023 • 59 mins
The girls visit the aftermath of Quentin’s death, Brooke’s confrontation with Victoria and Deb’s reveal of her relationship with Skills. Find out what left them emotional, confused and somewhat unfulfilled. Plus, Nanny Carrie’s return and an eye-opening question from a fan!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama Girl drama Girl,
all about them.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
cheering for the right teams, drama queens up girl fashion.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
But you'll tough, girl, you could sit with us.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens
Drama Queens.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh, I mean we both got on the zoom and
took a deep bread. This is emotional. Yes, we're back,
Season six, episode four, Bridge Over Fumbled Water. The episode
aired September twenty second, two thousand and eight. There's a
lot going on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, it really like I don't want you guys to
think this is gonna be like a really down episode
of drama Queens. But I think we're both like recovering
from this episode. We're gonna find our way through. But
I'm a little well, I don't mean I'm low energy.
I'm just like kind of in this state of I
was lulled into a state of comfort and longing and
(01:09):
grief like all at the same time, and I haven't
figured out where to put it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, I think that's a really good way to put it,
because there's a lot of potential and there's still a
lot of sadness, and there's a lot of really big
themes being processed in this episode. Ye and I was
gonna laugh because you know, it's for our friends at home.
You've got Joy and I tonight. We don't have Hillary
(01:33):
this week, and normally she's the person who will crack
the joke you need that's like really inappropriate when everyone
is crying, and you and I are both just crying.
So let's see how we do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's okay, it'll be therapy. Oh all right. So after
learning of Dev and skills a fair affair?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Relationship? Whatever it is, Nathan tells relationship in romance, Nathan
tells Dev she needs to move out, kicks her out.
Jamie's insistence to visit Grandpa Dan brings Hayley closer to
discovering his disappearance, and then she investigates. Brooke seeks counseling
(02:12):
now that her mother has stolen her fashion company, and
then goes to confront her armed literally that was wild.
Peyton is excited to find singer Mick Wolfe in her studio,
who also knew her late mother Ellie, and her biological
father who is a mystery man. Lucas tries to motivate
the Raven basketball team after losing star player Quintin Fields
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and dunt dun duh, Nanny Carey still going at it
reappearing in Tree Hill wandering through the Scott households.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
In fact so creepy. I'm like, don't you think I
would have changed the locks after that woman tried to
kidnap their child? Out did she get in?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You would think?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Wait is I I did love the nod to fatal
attraction with her picking up the hamster? Was it a
hamster or a money pig?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Bunny?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's a bunny? Oh, Chester's a bunny of course. Yeah, yeah,
that was pretty funny.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I was like, oh boy, we're really We're just in
it tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
This is one of the strange, unexpected things about our
job here on this show, is on this show drawn
queens that like, we all have a lot going on.
I'm sure all of you listeners can relate to that.
And you're not always in a space or in the
mood to drop in and be emotionally present for something
(03:31):
that you don't know what the journey's going to be.
You don't know what you're going on, and it's like, okay,
we carve out time and all the everything's buzzing around,
and the kids are knocking on the doors, and the
phones are ringing in, the text are popping in. You
have to just shut everything down and to just drop
in and watch. And I'm so glad I did. But
it is a weird. I was like, man, I just
did not want to be emotional today. I was working
(03:54):
and busy and like not in the mood. But I'm
glad that I did. I feel like it's nice to
have a little heart check in.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it's sweet. And I will say I realized that
I had to surrender to it very quickly because yeah,
with the opening of Nathan playing with Quinton in his head,
seeing them together on the river court, it was so
(04:21):
hard because I miss him already and I knew he'd disappear,
and I didn't know when he'd disappear. So immediately I
was like, no, don't go, and I thought, oh boy,
here we go, and every one of them. Yeah, And
I was glad that with you and Jamie we got
(04:44):
the context. I thought it was a really good way
to do exposition. Yes, you know, have a little boy.
Ask Haylee how long has it been and you could
say it's.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Been eight days days.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, so we could understand the freshness of it all.
I like that we're not moving on from it too fast.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I do too. That was a bad habit that we
would do a lot. A lot of shows would do
that at that time, which I don't know why when
they had twenty two episodes, because now things get drawn
out for an entire season on a six to thirteen
episode show. I don't know why they had to just
feel like they cranked all the storylines out. But I agree.
I'm so glad they took more time with this. I
(05:24):
needed more Quinton.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, and I'm just glad we got We're getting to
sit with it. I know. We talked about that last
week too, that the funeral episode took its time. This episode,
to me, felt like it really put its foot on
the gas. There was a lot going on, but I
do feel like it worked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. The aftermath of grief, which or sorry, the aftermath
of a massive loss. So living in the grief, but
the fact that life has to go on and there
are functional things that need to be done. Yeah, and
kind of watching people live in the mundane while feeling
(06:08):
such a catastrophic loss. Yeah, I think it's so relatable.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, well, because that's what it is, right when you're
going through something like that, when someone that you love
dies unexpectedly and you have to go to work and
you're just like or the grocery store, Yeah, like what
are we doing here? You look around at all these
people and you think, like, what are you doing? Like,
who are you talking to? What's making you smile? Everything
(06:36):
is broken, But for most people, it's just not just
a normal it's for you or your circle. And I
think that that I don't know, it's something that's I
think for everyone who's ever lost someone, this feels sadly
familiar but really probably really tender.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Life is fleeting. Our time here is short. To honor
the fallen, we must live our lives. Well, this is
Lucas's quote at the beginning of the episode. It's really
good and the boys on the basketball team, Yeah, really
jumped like that. I mean that's what got me. Like
every time the Ravens were on screen, I was crying.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, and Quentin's mom coming in.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
To don lewis God.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I mean, don is just so incredible. But as this
character her coming in and reminding these young people, like
you have to keep going and and you get to
carry him with you. Yeah, it's such an important lesson.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, she addressed it like, don't feel guilty that you're
playing without him or that you're leave. You don't feel
like you're leaving him behind. We're actually carrying him out
onto the court with us. Yes, you have to go
out and play. That is the hardest, the hardest thing
to do after using somebody after a big lost just
like get I mean, get back up on the proverbial horse.
(08:05):
It's is just such a not eloquent or sufficient enough
metaphor for this, but yeah, it's I loved that she
did that. I needed to hear that too, he felt it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It got to the core for me. I loved that
the way that they had her speak those words was
so specific, and I thought the choices were really meaningful
because she says play your hearts out. She's literally saying
like play the pain out of your heart, you know.
And she says, don't feel like you're moving on without him, Yeah,
(08:43):
you move on with the people that you've lost, And
and it watching them play was powerful. I love that
they that they lost. I thought that was powerful. They're
processing loss. And then the notion that the whole town
stayed waited for these boys. I know, I want to
(09:04):
save waited for these boys to you know, shower and
have their team conversation, and clapped them out of the gym.
It's like it immediately made me think of two of
the most famous quotes from our show. Somebody told me
that this is the place. Yeah, and your art matters
because for these these boys like sports and art, like
(09:26):
these these makers of culture in our society, even at
a school level, like sport is artistic and it requires
this team energy. And look how much it matters to
all these people, and they make sure these kids know
(09:46):
it and that they don't feel alone. Sucker punched me
right in the heart. Oh boy, I.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Hope that you friends out there have watched this episode recently.
If you haven't, you really probably should just hit pause
and watch an episode and then come back to us.
You can relate and we'll all cry together. I don't know,
I don't know where else. I mean, I have so
many notes, but and I don't want to lead us.
If you have anything, you want to jump in or
(10:15):
say I'm happy to go anywhere. My next note is
on Peyton, and then I have brooken therapy.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But yeah, yeah, I know it's hard to like no
where to go when the theme is so big, but
I do. I actually think Peyton is exactly the right
place because you know, she she is the character who's
also been through such big loss and.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
She's on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, and Quentin is this shared loss for everyone in
the community, and Peyton's loss was so personal, and with
Mick showing up at Red Bedroom, this is the first
time she's ever gotten to hear stories about her mom
from her mom's community. Yeah, like she gets a window
into Ellie's world.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I have a question, Yeah, did I miss an episode
where we met this guy before?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
No, he's a total surprise.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And is this a famous I think he's a cameo
of some famous position or something.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And so the the only way we know of him
is that Mia told Peyton she met a guy on
tour who knew Ellie.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, so we've just heard about this guy we've never
heard about, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We have no idea who he is, and so I
think that's part of you know, we love a mister
act on our show. I think part of the mister
act is that Peyton's freaking out about this famous guitar
player and o'hm, my god, what are you doing here?
And I have, you know, records you've played on on
my wall? And then it's like, holy shu, are you
my dad?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
My gosh. And I love that they keep the mystery
of it going. And I thought he did a really
beautiful job, yeah, sort of dodging the question, but creating
this this intimacy with her that really does feel quite
tender and parental. It doesn't feel like some guy hitting
on a young girl. It feels like something special. And
(12:15):
I caught myself being like, well, is it special because
he loved Ellie? Is it special because he's her dad?
Is he going to answer the question?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I know?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Who is this man?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Is he just like a nice, kind man who is
just being a good dude? Like I don't know, I'm
thrown off. I know, well, first of all, I love
her barging in while he's in the middle of recording,
like she's so excited she will literally just interrupts him.
But as they're talking in her office and he starts
talking about Ellie. The look on Hillary's face was so
(12:48):
it was just pure, little girl, tell me where I'm from.
I want to belong to something, I want to have
come from something. And he says it was one of
those great loves. So it was messy, and I mean
the way I interpreted the look on her face was
just like, what the when somebody tells you something about
yourself that means so much. It's a confirmation of everything
(13:11):
you've ever hoped was true. And she just was like,
I came from a great love for someone who's so
romantic as Peyton. She's such a devastating romantic. I think, yeah,
I don't think she would ever claim that she is,
but that's my opinion about her. It really made my
heart happy to see that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And to see it in that moment and to see
it's funny that you say that that it's the moment
where he's talking about how much passion there was between
Ellie and this mystery dad, because I thought you were
going to say when she's laughing, like, you look like
you've seen a ghost, and he says, I feel like
(13:50):
I have that's your mom's jacket. You look just like her.
And suddenly she looks like this little girl. Yeah that
was good too. And I loved the way he stopped
her in her tracks and you could see the shock,
the excitement and the hope. And to cut to them
(14:10):
on the river walk. It's so nice when we get
to go out there just like completely devoid of the
emotional parts, but like as a location. I just think
it's so beautiful. We didn't get to do it a ton.
And that their walk and talk is brimming with that
young curiosity because she keeps looking at him like are
(14:31):
you my dad?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And now how did you know my mom? And like
tell me more? And I loved that. The way they
figured out how to tie it all together was that
someone gave him the benefit CD and so he got
to read about what she said about her mom. It
was such a special way to tie together the beginning
(14:53):
of Trick and that album and you know we really
released that album and all of these things. I was
just like, got this. The storyline is really well done.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I like it and it makes me happy like that too. Yeah,
just bringing bringing the past back in whenever they can.
I wouldn't if they I wonder if they that just
came naturally or if they all sort of somebody did
a past like a when the script was done, like,
just find a way to keep weaving past things in. Yeah,
(15:24):
interesting to ask one of the writers one day. Yeah,
I really loved that. It was a simple storyline. There
wasn't too much to it. It was just the slow
burn build of what are we going to find out?
What are we going to find out? In the end,
You're right, he did. He did kind of dodge the
question but still maintained this friendship and love and Yeah.
(15:48):
The look on her face then too, she was like, Okay,
but but seriously, are you my dad.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Kids?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You actually just tell me?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I loved It's good.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I thought it was really interesting that when we
when we finally get to the end of the episode and.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
She just asks him, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Him saying what did he say? Wouldn't wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that be something? It would
be something? That's what I mean. She's looking at him like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm like, so is it a yes? Is it a no?
I need more from you, sir, But I love it
as a cliffhanger. I love him saying he's going to
stick around and record. He wants to do a project
with her.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, he's going to stick around. I don't remember where
this goes me either, no idea.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm really really curious how long we get to keep
him and what we're going to find out. I'm sort
of afraid that it's not going to be him.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I don't think it is, isn't it Kevin Kilner?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, Kevin Kilner was her dad?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, right, right, Sorry, but I'm really wondering who.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't I think maybe it is, because I mean,
this is Peyton's last season on the show anyway, so
I think they sort of have to tie up this storyline.
So maybe it is him.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I am so curious. I love when we get to
be surprised.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Nick Wolf, Nick Wolf like Nick.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, and then you go in the completely not sweet
direction of parental relationships that Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, they're working therapy. Okay, before we even get to Victoria.
This is my least favorite kind of therapy. I'm watching
this woman just well, first of all, she seems a
little like Superior, which kind of is irritating to me,
but I can get over it. But then she's like
she's basically just it's the it's the rhetorical. I wish
I'd written down one of her quotes, but it was
(18:08):
basically like, that's very normal. It doesn't really matter what
I believe, it's what you believe.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Like, yeah, oh I know what it is. I know
I drove you crazy. Okay. Well, first of all, again
the tie in that this was Haley and Nathan's therapist.
Oh right, why did they make this woman play British?
She's not. And that's why she seems sort of holier.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Than thou because it's very like, well, you know what
happens to people is like it's so aristocratic and weird,
is it? It's not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I didn't I oh, do you feel sad about your mummy?
Like it's so bizarre. But Brooke is sort of explaining
all of these things, and it really does sound Shakespearean.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It sounds like a wild absolutely you know, drama.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She essentially accuses her mother of being oz, you know,
pulling all the puppet strings and unleashing the flying monkeys,
and then goes through the sketches and then this and
the board meeting and you know, the whole plot, and
then realizing how crazy this sounds because who has a
family like this, But she really does. She says to
the therapist, you probably think I'm crazy. And what I
(19:15):
do appreciate is the validation she gets because she says, no,
I don't. I think we have a lot to talk about.
And I was like, it's almost great, but they made
it quippy with the I think we have a lot
to talk about, and I hated it. I was like,
it's important for Brooke to hear that she's not crazy.
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It was like it was like a pancake they flipped
too soon.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Or something I thought she said. I thought her response
to that was it doesn't matter what I think. It
matters what you think. Isn't that when she said that?
Or was it not? Was that earlier?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It might have been earlier. I don't know. She did
say that at one point.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
At one point I was like, oh, so bessive, aggressive.
I hate that so much. You're like, I know it
only matters what I think, but I'm paying you to
tell me if I sound crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, you know what I liked about that, though, I
liked they did a couple of overlaps in this episode
that I thought were really well done, because sometimes we
overuse the device.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh yeah, cutting to the next scene.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yes, and and we did two really good ones. I said, well,
where should we you know, brook says, where should we start?
Like the whole story or since I fired her? And
then it cuts to the boys, you fired your mom? Yeah,
and it was like, oh man, we did it really
well in this episode. And I noticed two of them
and I really thought, like, oh, okay, the writers are
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having a good time this season.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's nice. So speaking of the boys, it was interesting
to see Nathan. The storyline with deb is interesting to me,
and I guess I get it because he's been through
so much with both of his parents that to finally
put his trust in his mom. And just you know,
she's been in and out of rehab, she's had such
a tempestuous relationship with Dan, She's made some really selfish
(21:04):
choices in the past, and she finally seems to be
settling into her life in a very real and comfortable way,
and now she's doing something erratic, it seems to him again.
But Nathan wrestling with his priorities, like I guess, everything
(21:26):
getting thrown upside down with Q and not knowing who
he can lean on and who he can trust. And yeah,
it was a pretty, in my opinion, stupid move for
Deb to reveal it at the funeral like that. But
I mean, we're not perfect. It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But I will say, on the one hand, you go,
this is the moment, and on the other hand, you go,
that's the most human thing to do for this person
that you really care about.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah. Yeah, And so that's where I'm going. It's like
Nathan coming to the realization that his parents aren't perfect,
but like, his mom's not perfect, but she's still good.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like, I feel like that was an important moment for
him to get to that place where he wasn't just
compartmentalizing everything about his parents. It was like something about
Q's death just broke open this spot for him to
just go okay eventually, you know, at the by the end, Yeah,
to just go okay. I have to leave room for error.
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There just has to be room for error. And it
doesn't mean that my mom it's not black or white.
It doesn't mean my mom's a bad person. It's just
like she makes choices I wouldn't make. It's just interesting
to see him wrestle with that.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well. And you know what I wish we were going
to get a little bit of especially because we are
acknowledging the complexity of familial relationships here. We're doing it
with Peyton and Mick, We're doing it with broken Victoria
Brook is finally going to therapy.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Thank God.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's like we're digging into the realer stuff on the show.
We're not just doing glossy relationship drama all the time.
And I know we're not going to get it, but
what I wish we were going to get too now
that Nathan understands there's real feelings between these people, because look,
I get the initial like my mom is sleeping with
my friend. What's hell?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But I wish we could also get to a place
for debb where we got to understand a little bit
of why, where we got to hear a woman say, yeah,
I was in an abusive relationship and now I'm not
going to date someone unless I've known them for a while,
unless I've gotten to watch their behavior realize they're a
(23:42):
good person, not that they're a narcissist who's trying to
like mark me. And then, you know, we've talked about
this a lot on the show. You know you and
I have experience with narcissists, like it changes the way
you perceive people and how long you wait to trust
people and how long you wait to trust yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Because really, like she's going, I keep picking these people,
So something's wrong with me too, right, And.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So I it's like starting to see a glimmer of
the acknowledgment of I don't want to hurt you and
I want to be happy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes, I'm like, oh man, I would.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Love for this to lead to more honest conversations between
Nathan and Deb about Deb's experiences as the woman in
relationship to Dan. Yeah, and I don't think we're gonna
get that, And I don't know part of me that's
like read all the books that we like send back
and forth, was just like, damn it, I want to
get there, like we're we're there's such an opportunity here,
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And I just think Barbara does such a beautiful job
when she gets to be in those scenes with James
and and Deb just gets to tell Nathan how she feels,
and I want more of it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I do too. And it's also considering all that, it
actually makes it bigger deal that she was willing to
break it off with Antoine in order to have a
relationship with Jamie. Yeah, this man, life is complex like that,
Like what are you going to do? Your son gives
you an ultimatum, like, I mean, yeah, you could choose
(25:15):
to say, well, you're not the boss of me. I'm
going to do what I want and to live your
own life, and that's you're well within your rights to
do that, and he would be wrong in my opinion.
But life isn't always black and white. Again, It's like
her going, you know, this relationship is I have to
weigh these these options, and my grandson and my son
(25:39):
are my priority. And in spite of the fact that
they're putting he's putting me in a position that I
don't deserve to be in. It is ultimately like my
I want to have that relationship with him, and that's
the important thing and we'll figure it out later on.
But what a sacrifice to go to somebody that's finally
making you happy and that you're in a great relationship
(25:59):
and be like, I'm sorry, I just can't I can't
do it well.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I mean not to get like so deep in
the weeds on the emotional end of it, and the
you know, the the therapy research.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But you know, I love your research and I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Even the fact when you think about it, When you
know Deb has known Skills for so long, he felt
like a safe person for her to like get back
into her body with, you know, like a trustworthy, non
threatening this person's not going to be violent with me.
I can like have physical experience, you know. Yeah, And
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even without going into so much detail, Skills expresses that
to Nathan. He's like, yeah, it might have started as
a sex thing, but it's a whole other thing now.
I have feelings for her, and deb is admitting that
she has feelings for him. And I think there's also
something profound about a woman who's gotten out of, you know,
an abusive relationship, like finding a relationship to her her
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physical and emotional body and well being again with someone
in a safe way. And I don't know, I kind
of love that Haley's the one who gets to call
Nathan out on his reaction and be like, hey, guy,
you slept with my sister, you like you know how
we got started. You didn't say it, but could have
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been like you slept with like every cheerleader in the school.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yep, come on, both of my best friends.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, like literally everyone, and and I just love that
his response is like, cool, you're just never gonna stop
trying to make me a better person. Okay, great, great,
and you're like no, because you're kind of in an immigrant.
It's like so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And Jamie's saying, I let you kiss my mom.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That mind My favorite line of the episode me too,
especially because Nathan's trying to rationalize to a five year
old why he's upset, and the five year old's like, well,
they like each other and I like them both, so
who cares? And he's like, yeah, but that's my mom,
like an adult is saying this to a child, and
the child's responses, you kiss my mom, Like he literally
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just owns him, like okay, dummy, It's so great.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's so great out of the mouths of babes. I
do love that. I love the fact that he just man,
kids really can have a way of seeing things in
the most simple format, and I think we need that sometimes.
Nathan probably needed it here well, and.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Not to pingpong around like total adhd brain no dabt.
It actually really makes me think. Jamie is so clear
with Nathan. He's just like dad, like you kiss my mom.
He just says the truth. And then you think about
Peyton being in front of meck and she can't bear
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to ask him on that walk, are you my dad?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So scary?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But you see her wanting to, so instead she takes
a deep breath and says, did you know my dad?
And then looks at him, hoping that because she cracked
the door, he'll walk through it. And isn't it interesting
that we layer on all of our experiences, We carry
them around with us for our whole lives, and as
adults sometimes we just can't be as clear as we
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could be when we were five.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Man, I wish I could. I really wish I could.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's just so I don't know. I love the sort
of dichotomy of all of these parental relationships in this episode.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes I do too. Okay, Well, let's talk about the
other parental relationship because there's so much Brook here to
dive into. She goes to New York, shows up at
Victoria's apartment. It's a glock down on the table. How
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does she even get to New York on the plane
with the gun?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I got on an airplane on my workoutfit.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Your workoutfit?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I have no jacket. I have flown from North Carolina
to New York without with no jacket. This was also
good God, this was the season where Wardrobe loved to
put me in vests. And I have no sunglasses on,
but I'm I have two black eyes. How am I
walking around New York City and all? I don't have
a carry on, I don't have anything. I have a
handbag with a gun. How did I get on a plane?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
She's a Brooke Davis. She was just like, let me
on the plane. It was her private plane.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I must have checked a bag and just left it
with the doorman or something.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
But you knew that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You were just going to say, like you didn't think
you were staying overnight, So why would you check a bag?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
But you can't get on a plane with a gun
unless you check it. I don't know it was. I
just was like, how I'm going to suspend my own disbelief,
but this feels ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I just wish she had drove, Like why would it
have been so hard for her to just get in
the car and dress.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I don't know, maybe right, maybe she charted a plane.
Maybe Brook has that much money.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I not anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She gave away your company, well, she at the end
of the episode. Yeah, but I will say all of
the ridiculousness of it aside. I loved like just throwing
the bag down, putting the gun on the table and
being like we need to talk.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Like you had to commit to that material so hard.
Oh huh, there's no there's no half assing that without
it just looking. But you pulled it off. I mean
I believed you. It felt very like, this is what
you've brought me to. You've brought you have brought me
to this place where I'm carrying around a gun because
I'm terrified for my life. So here I want you
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to see for real what you've done to me.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and it was interesting. I remember I remember wanting
to make sure that it would feel honest, but it
wouldn't feel melodramatic. Yeah, that's to do. Oh there's like
such an opportunity to be like you've reduced me to
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a shell of myself, you know, and it's like, oh
my god. So I had to figure out a way
to put that sort of like really tough brook energy
on it so it could be this like spicy teta
tet between the two of them, but also have beats
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where like the fear could come out, and I remember
I just remember like really wanting to get it right
and being so happy getting into it with Daphne because
we just have such good chemistry. Yeah, that it like
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quickly all of the how do you track the roller
coaster of emotion in this sequence homework stuff we do
as actors went away and we were just at each other. Yeah,
and that felt cool.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
What I thought was one of the things that was
really interesting about that scene is that it is the
first time that the roles were reversed and Victoria was
on the defense. Every other time that I can remember
Brooke and Victoria interacting, Brooke throws a fit sometimes, but
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Victoria always is more calm, always more I don't mean
to reduce Brooke. I'm not saying she throws a fit,
but you know, she acts out like she has her moment,
and Victoria just stays above it all and she's like,
I'm in charge, I've got the upper hand, and she
just lays down whatever thing she thinks she needs, and
Brooke was always left sort of in shambles, like what
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just happened? I came in hot, I was right, I
had been wronged and somehow I'm still the one who's
crying and yeah, questioning myself. And it was the first
time that we got to see Victoria actually be scrambling
trying to figure out how to how to get through
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, well, and so many things were so telling that
her first question was did you go to the police?
The first fear is what about the brand? What about
the reputation? And brookeets to throw that back in her face,
you know, because it's like, oh, you the pr spinner,
you know, and it really is working, and she's really
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mustering up this courage to talk about how she doesn't
want to be like her mom. She doesn't want to
become this person, you know, she doesn't want any of this.
And then Victoria really hammers her with this thing that
is so cold and so cruel, but freeing.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
She doesn't say it in a cruel way. That's what's
so interesting and why Daphne's such a great actress. She
could have said it in a way that was mean
and like a vendetta. No, she just that's pure narcissism. Again,
just really believed that she was a victim, and she
was thinking that this is going to help explain to
you why why she treats you so badly. But it
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had the.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Opposite effect, which was really cool.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I liked that the story for Brooke was fuel instead
of something that hurt her, like it frees her. I
remember having this feeling in that scene. I have such
sense memory of this one, like just shaking my head
looking at her, being like, oh my god, I don't
have to carry this anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, that's what happened. My notes Brooke shedding, Yes, yes,
she's shedding well.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Whatever's happening in the world. All these people are sort
of reclaiming their independence and their power, and it's been
a wild season for a lot of humans, and we
talked about the like the aha, you know, at least
it has been for me this year of learning to
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not just to carry everybody else's stuff, to not be
so worried about being a people pleaser, to not be
so worried about making everybody else happy, even if I'm miserable,
and I don't know, it felt resonant with me in
a way now that I was like, oh, yeah, that
feeling of going, oh, I don't have to carry this anymore.
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This isn't about me at all.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, bye, And it's so.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Important And I don't think I knew. I remember it
feeling so good for the character then, but I don't
think I knew how profound it felt in my life yet. Yeah,
and it's cool to see it now. I don't know.
I I really looking back on it, like the way
this whole thing went down, and I like that before
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Victoria tells her the whole thing about this accidental pregnancy
and she never wanted to be a mom in the
first place, and they had a daughter and not a
son and all this stuff that's really dark that she
actually admits her jealousy, as though I was a failure
as a mother. You got everything you ever wanted, everything
I ever wanted. And Brooke gets to know that her
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mom's just been jealous of her this whole time.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Oh and real.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's heavy, but it's but it is freeing.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's so freeing. This scene. It's one of my favorite
Brook moments I think in this show, because you were
you know, I know, we use this phrase a lot
dropped into your body. But the difference here was I
feel like you really allowed Brooke to not have processed
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this enough to get haughty with it. That might be
too dramatic of a word, But when you feel really
proud of yourself for standing up for yourself and walking
out of the room and doing the you know, your
famous stop over the shoulder, give the last line thing,
which is always so good, But you did all those
things without that sense of I'm proud of myself for
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doing this, because it's like it hadn't even hit yet.
She hadn't She didn't even have time to go, here's
what I'm gonna do, and I'm laying it down and
I'm out of here. It was just pure guttural reaction.
Oh I'm just done. Oh I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, Because the difference is it's not it's not an
I win. That's it.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's not I win.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm free, Yes, I'm free. Okay, it's it's the aha moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
She didn't need to win, No, she had already won.
It's like the realization of like, oh, I don't this
isn't even well, this is not even a fight, it's
not even a thing.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And then the win for her is to say take
the company. I don't want it. Yeah, that's where she
gets to win, that's it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, But I don't even think it started that
way in the way that I interpreted that, And maybe
you were thinking's any different when you were doing the scene,
But for me, it still felt like, oh, I'm not
done shedding hold on, this is the last piece I
need to unload.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Well because in a way she realizes, oh, I'm going
to cut the last cord. That's it. I'm just gonna
I'm gonna cut it. I don't want it. And then
she gets that last little moment she gets her win
when she says congrats, now you got everything you ever wanted.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, like she had to just let it all go first,
and then like, oh, yeah, this feels good. This is
what I should have been doing all this time. And
it goes to that quote that Lucas says on the
basketball court, sometimes it's not about winning, it's about healing.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
Yes, so good it does altogether, and that's what it is,
and that I think maybe that's why the scene feels
like such a big deal to me now, because that's it.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
When you when you put down all the shit you're
carrying because other people told you you were supposed to ah,
or you put down trying to fix something with a
toxic human because they're your family or your spouse or
or whatever, and you just go like, wait, what am
I doing this for?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Is life supposed to be this hard? I don't think
it's supposed to be this hard to look around and
say I'm done. Now, I'm done doing the work. It's freedom.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I have said that for years about like, I mean,
it's out there now. When I left the group that
I was a part of and there was something that
I I've people keep asking me like, was it so
hard to leave with it? So I was like, actually, no,
walking away was the easiest part. The aftermath dealing with
everything is another story, but like walking away is the
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easiest part because when you realize exactly what you're talking
about and you just like, oh, oh, I don't want
to do this anymore. Done.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I was actually telling somebody the other day, Joy, you'll
love it, because we've obviously both been through it. But
I was saying that, like it started in the spring
for me and then like through the spring and summer.
Do you remember that Megan the Stallion song howt Girl Summer? Yeah,
So like the group chat of like women going through
(41:43):
separations and divorces, like just kept growing, and then at
one point someone renamed it Hot Divorce Summer, and I
was just dying. I was like the fact that we
have this group chat that is literally giving everybody life
and people are trading like recommendations for lawyers, sending each
other like quotes from phenomenal writers. We have like a
book club going. We're sending each other like really hilarious
(42:05):
memes from like TikTok. It just got so great and
I was like, I in this moment while we're all
processing this and we're going to get feedback from our listeners,
I'm like, maybe we need to make that movie.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I was just gonna say, that's a TV show winding
me down right, Like that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I want to watch is like all the women getting free.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
But it's like Hot Divorce Summer. Yeah for summer. That's funny.
I know that at it, Like okay, by the way,
it's total sidebar. But First Wives Club, Oh it was brilliant.
But when I watch it, I was like, this is
they were our age? That was that was supposed to
be all like our age in that movie.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Which is no sense.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I know in the nineties were crazy.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
The meme that goes around at Christmas, which like now
is hitting the internet everywhere. That's like, if you're thirty six,
do you realize that Kevin's mom and home alone the
same age as you? And I was like, wait a minute,
didn't she have like eight kids?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
She would I could not.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's so wild to me. It's wild. Okay. But the
last thing I'm going to say bringing it all back
full circle to this New York jaunt for Brook, I
love the callback to our scene with Jamie when I
get in the cab and the guy asked me where
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I'm going, and I say, take me to the airport.
I'm going home to my family. Because Brooke is like,
I just wish I had a family like yours, and
he says, you do. Yes, you're my aunt Brook.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You're my aunt Brook. That's it. I'm going back to
my family.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It really reminds you, you know, all of us, that
you get to build it, you really do. And I
think I just loved that. I was like, yeah, that
feels really important. I thought the whole montage at the
end was really good for everyone.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, I agree. The notes that I have on the
end of this episode, aside from music in big capital letters,
because the music is in this episode was again Lindsay Wilfington,
so excellent. Yeah, is the gestures we make, the rituals
that we have. There was something about like Brook getting
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in the back seat of the taxi. We've seen her
do this in the back We've seen her in the
back seat of a limo with Victoria. We've seen her
in the back of the taxi and backseat of cars.
There's something about this ritual. I mean whatever, it's a ritual.
You're in a taxi cab. Of course you're going to
be in the back seat. But it's reminiscent of those moments.
And then the boys, the basketball players, the patch, the
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fact that Lucas got them all new jerseys with the patch,
the gesture that they're making of playing without a fifth
and then asking to play without a fifth for the
rest of the season. There are these rituals and gestures
that we make in life, and it calls back to
Lucas's quote, life is fleeting, our time here is short,
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and to honor the fallen, we must live our lives well.
And I don't know that I have a complete thought
on this as much as it was just a deep
emotion and an awareness of how important those gestures and
rituals are. And I just honor that about our show.
(45:27):
I feel like we did a really great job bringing
those up and continuing them throughout the seasons. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, and you know, we talked about this the other
day with Robbie. But obviously it's so frustrating to have
lost such an impactful character because a bunch of grown ups,
like we're arguing about people's paychecks. But it really did
allow us to open this sort of trapdoor to even
(45:59):
more feeling and even more ritual. Yeah, and it created
the container that was, you know, built out of such
serious emotion that it sort of required all the characters
to process these big, serious things. And it really was
(46:20):
I think to our storylines. It was a gift.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, but it's inspiring too. The ritual of coming together,
the gestures of Quintin's not here to see them do that,
it's not I mean, it's for him, but it's also
for them. And the gestures of feeling. Oh, that was
the last piece of skills, making the gesture to come
even though it was he didn't do anything wrong and
(46:46):
he knew Nathan was mad at him, and he just
put himself out there and took the risk. Yeah. I
just really admired that. I thought that was such a
cool choice. I did too, another just gesture like, let's
play the ritual, let's do our dance that we've been doing.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And he shows up, well, he
shows up to fill a void in Nathan's life and
by doing so, remind him that he's going to be
there for him no matter what.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
And the and the sort of second layer of that
is and I have been for this long, yeah, you know,
for all for our friendships and all these things we
do and have done all these years together. And I
loved that. Again, sometimes you know, they to make time,
they would cut the moments in our scenes. It was
(47:38):
just dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, And I loved that they
didn't do that here. And they let the awkwardness hang
in the air, and they let Nathan really look at skills.
We really got to watch James decide whether or not
he was going to answer the question yeah, and then
he said, yeah, you know, I need to work on
my left And it was such a good double entendre.
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So maybe that's where we start. Oh, I was like,
we did it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yes, the beautiful tapestry of life weaving together all the
imperfections and just coming back to family, coming back to
your emotional home. So good.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, you guys, so good.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Else to say? I really loved this episode. Yeah, it
was such a nice, pleasant surprise.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
We touched on Nanny Carey being in the house, Yeah
we did.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, all right, she was great. I love Tori, She's
always great. I liked that. You know, she came and
talked to Deb on the bench. That was kind of funny.
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Well, and that's how she knew like Deb wouldn't be there.
It was so creepy.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Also in what a weird way that she actually inspired
Deb to make the stand up for herself a relationship,
you know what. It just goes to show you like
people can be used in any way, any shape or form.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
It's yeah, someone's hero is someone else's villain and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Hey, that's good, that's good. Okay. Listen from Mary Kate
episode six oh two. You guys are talking about how
it's a friend's job to tell Brooke you're not okay
or to help her open up okay, as women who
have grown up together and have a trusting relationship, do
you have any tips on how to start the conversation
with a friend. Even with that kind of relationship, it
can be hard to talk about hard things. That's true,
(49:29):
Mary Kate, that is true. Yeah, I don't know, pick
up the phone.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
That's hard. I mean, I think it can all be hard.
But I think the best way. I'm just thinking about
it because six oh two, you know, I think we're
referring to the fact that, you know, Hillary was voicing
that she was so frustrated. Remember that Peyton didn't say like, hey,
you're obviously not good, Like what's going on? I don't
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think you fell down the stairs. You know. I think
if you know someone might not want to talk about something,
but you're worried about them, I think sometimes the best
way to approach it is I might be off base here, Yeah,
but I feel like you're not okay. I'm a little
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worried about you, and I'm here and you can tell
me anything. Do you need to talk?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, because what's the worst that can happen?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
You could be off base, everything could be fine, and
then they just know you're a great friend looking out
for them, or they tell you what's up, or they
aren't still aren't comfortable talking, but at least they know
that you are there for them and that you know
it's up to you. Yeah, I think that's good advice.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Well yeah, and I think I think what it can
do if they're not ready, like you were saying, is
it just reminds someone that you see them. Yeah, And
sometimes that's what we have to do, Like through strange periods,
we just say like I see you, I'm around, I'll wait,
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and sometimes people have to say, yeah, I'm not ready,
but I see you too. And life is long, you know,
like everything feels so pressing, and we want answers so
quickly all the time, and we want everyone to have
the right thing to say all the time, and we
want to know everybody's business and everything is insane. And
maybe that's because social media refreshes every time we pull
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our thumb down our phone screen.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
So we think training our brains.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
You know, we just think we're supposed to have more
and more and more all the time all the time.
Sometimes you just have to give people a minute. But
I think a little reach out to say, like I'm here,
if is a nice way to start. Yeah, and if
it's slow, let it be slow.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, just you know, yeah, I agree. Just being there
often makes such a huge difference. Yeah, that's funny you
say life is long. It's because even though it does off,
I always feel like, man, life is so short, and
it is, you know, the core of the episode, life
is Fleeting. When I landed in Nashville, the day that
I moved to Nashville, me and Maria got on the plane,
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we landed here, I'm standing in the hallway of the
airport and I hear somebody talking to me and I
feel a hand on my shoulder. I turn around. It's
Gavin de Graft in the air and I was like,
what in the world are you doing here. He's like, well,
I mean I live here, it's not that crazy. And
I was like, yeah, I know, but like today of
(52:39):
all days, the fact that I'm going somewhere with this
so bear with me. But the fact that he and
I told him this, I said, the fact that you
were there. I know that you're just in the airport
doing your thing. But for me, coming back to coming
to a place where it represents the star of something
(53:00):
that I never got to finish because of all these
complications in my life when I you know, coming to
Nashville to work on music and singing and try and
do something again later in life to feel like am
I even going to be able to do this? And
it's just felt like a miracle to me, like a sign,
like the fact that you from One Tree Hill were
coming back into the future to tell me that it's
(53:21):
all okay. And he said to me, the road is long,
and that was it. It was like, I mean, he
said other things, but like that was the that was
the takeaway that, yeah, life is short, but the road
is long. Yeah, and yeah, holding on to those friendships
and like you're saying and just letting letting people know
that you're there for them. And yeah, it's hard to
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talk about hard things with everybody. Everybody has it. You
get a pit in your stomach. I hate that I
have to say this out loud. It's scary. I don't
like being vulnerable. Lah, But what's the alternative? What are
you going to do? Yeah, we have to spin a
wheel and we have to we have to spin a.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Whel and we have to do an honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
I mean honorable mention, Like does Jackson not get the
honorable mention for that line, so.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I got one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
It was so good. All right, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Oh boy, the most likely too get a tattoo they regret.
I mean Haley did that, didn't she? I don't know,
she sure did she? She got her a little tramp stamp.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
I feel like that tracks. I mean, I feel like,
I don't know, Haley and Lucas both got pretty bad
tattoos in high school. Maybe that's really the lesson is,
just don't get tattoos in high school.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
I think that's a good lesson, you know, I think
that's a really good lesson.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I like all the tattoos I've got, and as an adult,
like the first two from like twenty three and twenty five,
I'm still like, meh, they're fine. I can do without them.
But yeah, I just feel like, wait, until you know
yourself better.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Nobody's reckless than Nobody like me is reckless enough that
they would wake up with a tattoo or get something
that they regret. I don't know, I can't think of
anybody well, no, I.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Mean, Hillary loves all her tattoos. I know Danille loves
all her tattoos.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, I like mine. I was even thinking of Daniel
because when when at Hillary's wedding she had the tattoo
artist and it was like one in the morning and
Daniel's like, I'm gonna get mischief on my calf and
I was.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I did stop her and looked at her in the
eyes and I was like, are you ready to do this?
Do you want a word on the back of your calf?
Are you sure? She said yes, and she loves it so.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Great, loves it. I know, I think it's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, actually didn't. Didn't
Chad get a tattoo that they had to cover up
because I don't know if he regretted it or not,
but they did have to no, because it was like
it was in some other language. And then it ended
up not being.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
On his shoulder. Yeah, that's where we put That's where
we put Lucas's tattoo.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yes, because wait, he didn't mean like did he thought
it mean something and then it actually meant like fork
or like silverware like.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
You I think that's in the show. But didn't he
have oh right, right right? He had a tattoo and
then had to cover it with another tattoo, and that's
why we had to put one over it. Is okay?
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (56:44):
Is right?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
So? I think yeah? In real life? Okay. I mean, look,
I don't know if he would do that today, but
he's certainly well.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
He didn't have a Haley around to pause him and
say are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Oh? Man? I did just find this quote and I
would love to read it. It's so good, okay. To
love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and
your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you
want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must
give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap
it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries, avoid all entanglements,
(57:20):
lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of
your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless,
it will change. It will not be broken. It will
become unbreaking, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.
M I love so in the spirit of exactly what
(57:43):
Sophia you were just saying about being there for a
friend and letting them know it's yeah. To love is
to be vulnerable. So it is the most loving thing
that you can do to just be vulnerable, if you know,
if you can trust person to handle that. So hopefully
you know you out there, Mary Kate have some really
(58:07):
great friends in your life that you can experience that with.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, just give it a shot, all right, friends, Next
week we will be on season six, episode five. You
have dug your own grave, now live in it.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Oh boy, sounds harsh. Wow, that was a great episode.
I had a nice night.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Thanks, I loved it. Thanks, see you later, friends.
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Season six, episode four, Bridge Over Fumbled Water. The episode
aired September twenty second, two thousand and eight. There's a
lot going on.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, it really like I don't want you guys to
think this is gonna be like a really down episode
of drama Queens. But I think we're both like recovering
from this episode. We're gonna find our way through. But
I'm a little well, I don't mean I'm low energy.
I'm just like kind of in this state of I
was lulled into a state of comfort and longing and
(01:09):
grief like all at the same time, and I haven't
figured out where to put it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, I think that's a really good way to put it,
because there's a lot of potential and there's still a
lot of sadness, and there's a lot of really big
themes being processed in this episode. Ye and I was
gonna laugh because you know, it's for our friends at home.
You've got Joy and I tonight. We don't have Hillary
(01:33):
this week, and normally she's the person who will crack
the joke you need that's like really inappropriate when everyone
is crying, and you and I are both just crying.
So let's see how we do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's okay, it'll be therapy. Oh all right. So after
learning of Dev and skills a fair affair?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Relationship? Whatever it is, Nathan tells relationship in romance, Nathan
tells Dev she needs to move out, kicks her out.
Jamie's insistence to visit Grandpa Dan brings Hayley closer to
discovering his disappearance, and then she investigates. Brooke seeks counseling
(02:12):
now that her mother has stolen her fashion company, and
then goes to confront her armed literally that was wild.
Peyton is excited to find singer Mick Wolfe in her studio,
who also knew her late mother Ellie, and her biological
father who is a mystery man. Lucas tries to motivate
the Raven basketball team after losing star player Quintin Fields
(02:33):
and dunt dun duh, Nanny Carey still going at it
reappearing in Tree Hill wandering through the Scott households.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
In fact so creepy. I'm like, don't you think I
would have changed the locks after that woman tried to
kidnap their child? Out did she get in?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You would think?
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Wait is I I did love the nod to fatal
attraction with her picking up the hamster? Was it a
hamster or a money pig?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Bunny?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's a bunny? Oh, Chester's a bunny of course. Yeah, yeah,
that was pretty funny.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I was like, oh boy, we're really We're just in
it tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
This is one of the strange, unexpected things about our
job here on this show, is on this show drawn
queens that like, we all have a lot going on.
I'm sure all of you listeners can relate to that.
And you're not always in a space or in the
mood to drop in and be emotionally present for something
(03:31):
that you don't know what the journey's going to be.
You don't know what you're going on, and it's like, okay,
we carve out time and all the everything's buzzing around,
and the kids are knocking on the doors, and the
phones are ringing in, the text are popping in. You
have to just shut everything down and to just drop
in and watch. And I'm so glad I did. But
it is a weird. I was like, man, I just
did not want to be emotional today. I was working
(03:54):
and busy and like not in the mood. But I'm
glad that I did. I feel like it's nice to
have a little heart check in.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it's sweet. And I will say I realized that
I had to surrender to it very quickly because yeah,
with the opening of Nathan playing with Quinton in his head,
seeing them together on the river court, it was so
(04:21):
hard because I miss him already and I knew he'd disappear,
and I didn't know when he'd disappear. So immediately I
was like, no, don't go, and I thought, oh boy,
here we go, and every one of them. Yeah, And
I was glad that with you and Jamie we got
(04:44):
the context. I thought it was a really good way
to do exposition. Yes, you know, have a little boy.
Ask Haylee how long has it been and you could
say it's.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Been eight days days.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, so we could understand the freshness of it all.
I like that we're not moving on from it too fast.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I do too. That was a bad habit that we
would do a lot. A lot of shows would do
that at that time, which I don't know why when
they had twenty two episodes, because now things get drawn
out for an entire season on a six to thirteen
episode show. I don't know why they had to just
feel like they cranked all the storylines out. But I agree.
I'm so glad they took more time with this. I
(05:24):
needed more Quinton.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, and I'm just glad we got We're getting to
sit with it. I know. We talked about that last
week too, that the funeral episode took its time. This episode,
to me, felt like it really put its foot on
the gas. There was a lot going on, but I
do feel like it worked.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah. The aftermath of grief, which or sorry, the aftermath
of a massive loss. So living in the grief, but
the fact that life has to go on and there
are functional things that need to be done. Yeah, and
kind of watching people live in the mundane while feeling
(06:08):
such a catastrophic loss. Yeah, I think it's so relatable.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, well, because that's what it is, right when you're
going through something like that, when someone that you love
dies unexpectedly and you have to go to work and
you're just like or the grocery store, Yeah, like what
are we doing here? You look around at all these
people and you think, like, what are you doing? Like,
who are you talking to? What's making you smile? Everything
(06:36):
is broken, But for most people, it's just not just
a normal it's for you or your circle. And I
think that that I don't know, it's something that's I
think for everyone who's ever lost someone, this feels sadly
familiar but really probably really tender.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Life is fleeting. Our time here is short. To honor
the fallen, we must live our lives. Well, this is
Lucas's quote at the beginning of the episode. It's really
good and the boys on the basketball team, Yeah, really
jumped like that. I mean that's what got me. Like
every time the Ravens were on screen, I was crying.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, and Quentin's mom coming in.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
To don lewis God.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I mean, don is just so incredible. But as this
character her coming in and reminding these young people, like
you have to keep going and and you get to
carry him with you. Yeah, it's such an important lesson.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, she addressed it like, don't feel guilty that you're
playing without him or that you're leave. You don't feel
like you're leaving him behind. We're actually carrying him out
onto the court with us. Yes, you have to go
out and play. That is the hardest, the hardest thing
to do after using somebody after a big lost just
like get I mean, get back up on the proverbial horse.
(08:05):
It's is just such a not eloquent or sufficient enough
metaphor for this, but yeah, it's I loved that she
did that. I needed to hear that too, he felt it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It got to the core for me. I loved that
the way that they had her speak those words was
so specific, and I thought the choices were really meaningful
because she says play your hearts out. She's literally saying
like play the pain out of your heart, you know.
And she says, don't feel like you're moving on without him, Yeah,
(08:43):
you move on with the people that you've lost, And
and it watching them play was powerful. I love that
they that they lost. I thought that was powerful. They're
processing loss. And then the notion that the whole town
stayed waited for these boys. I know, I want to
(09:04):
save waited for these boys to you know, shower and
have their team conversation, and clapped them out of the gym.
It's like it immediately made me think of two of
the most famous quotes from our show. Somebody told me
that this is the place. Yeah, and your art matters
because for these these boys like sports and art, like
(09:26):
these these makers of culture in our society, even at
a school level, like sport is artistic and it requires
this team energy. And look how much it matters to
all these people, and they make sure these kids know
(09:46):
it and that they don't feel alone. Sucker punched me
right in the heart. Oh boy, I.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Hope that you friends out there have watched this episode recently.
If you haven't, you really probably should just hit pause
and watch an episode and then come back to us.
You can relate and we'll all cry together. I don't know,
I don't know where else. I mean, I have so
many notes, but and I don't want to lead us.
If you have anything, you want to jump in or
(10:15):
say I'm happy to go anywhere. My next note is
on Peyton, and then I have brooken therapy.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But yeah, yeah, I know it's hard to like no
where to go when the theme is so big, but
I do. I actually think Peyton is exactly the right
place because you know, she she is the character who's
also been through such big loss and.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
She's on the other side of it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, and Quentin is this shared loss for everyone in
the community, and Peyton's loss was so personal, and with
Mick showing up at Red Bedroom, this is the first
time she's ever gotten to hear stories about her mom
from her mom's community. Yeah, like she gets a window
into Ellie's world.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I have a question, Yeah, did I miss an episode
where we met this guy before?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
No, he's a total surprise.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And is this a famous I think he's a cameo
of some famous position or something.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And so the the only way we know of him
is that Mia told Peyton she met a guy on
tour who knew Ellie.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, so we've just heard about this guy we've never
heard about, Okay, but.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We have no idea who he is, and so I
think that's part of you know, we love a mister
act on our show. I think part of the mister
act is that Peyton's freaking out about this famous guitar
player and o'hm, my god, what are you doing here?
And I have, you know, records you've played on on
my wall? And then it's like, holy shu, are you
my dad?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
My gosh. And I love that they keep the mystery
of it going. And I thought he did a really
beautiful job, yeah, sort of dodging the question, but creating
this this intimacy with her that really does feel quite
tender and parental. It doesn't feel like some guy hitting
on a young girl. It feels like something special. And
(12:15):
I caught myself being like, well, is it special because
he loved Ellie? Is it special because he's her dad?
Is he going to answer the question?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I know?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Who is this man?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Is he just like a nice, kind man who is
just being a good dude? Like I don't know, I'm
thrown off. I know, well, first of all, I love
her barging in while he's in the middle of recording,
like she's so excited she will literally just interrupts him.
But as they're talking in her office and he starts
talking about Ellie. The look on Hillary's face was so
(12:48):
it was just pure, little girl, tell me where I'm from.
I want to belong to something, I want to have
come from something. And he says it was one of
those great loves. So it was messy, and I mean
the way I interpreted the look on her face was
just like, what the when somebody tells you something about
yourself that means so much. It's a confirmation of everything
(13:11):
you've ever hoped was true. And she just was like,
I came from a great love for someone who's so
romantic as Peyton. She's such a devastating romantic. I think, yeah,
I don't think she would ever claim that she is,
but that's my opinion about her. It really made my
heart happy to see that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
And to see it in that moment and to see
it's funny that you say that that it's the moment
where he's talking about how much passion there was between
Ellie and this mystery dad, because I thought you were
going to say when she's laughing, like, you look like
you've seen a ghost, and he says, I feel like
(13:50):
I have that's your mom's jacket. You look just like her.
And suddenly she looks like this little girl. Yeah that
was good too. And I loved the way he stopped
her in her tracks and you could see the shock,
the excitement and the hope. And to cut to them
(14:10):
on the river walk. It's so nice when we get
to go out there just like completely devoid of the
emotional parts, but like as a location. I just think
it's so beautiful. We didn't get to do it a ton.
And that their walk and talk is brimming with that
young curiosity because she keeps looking at him like are
(14:31):
you my dad?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And now how did you know my mom? And like
tell me more? And I loved that. The way they
figured out how to tie it all together was that
someone gave him the benefit CD and so he got
to read about what she said about her mom. It
was such a special way to tie together the beginning
(14:53):
of Trick and that album and you know we really
released that album and all of these things. I was
just like, got this. The storyline is really well done.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I like it and it makes me happy like that too. Yeah,
just bringing bringing the past back in whenever they can.
I wouldn't if they I wonder if they that just
came naturally or if they all sort of somebody did
a past like a when the script was done, like,
just find a way to keep weaving past things in. Yeah,
(15:24):
interesting to ask one of the writers one day. Yeah,
I really loved that. It was a simple storyline. There
wasn't too much to it. It was just the slow
burn build of what are we going to find out?
What are we going to find out? In the end,
You're right, he did. He did kind of dodge the
question but still maintained this friendship and love and Yeah.
(15:48):
The look on her face then too, she was like, Okay,
but but seriously, are you my dad.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Kids?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You actually just tell me?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
I loved It's good.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And I thought it was really interesting that when we
when we finally get to the end of the episode and.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
She just asks him, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Him saying what did he say? Wouldn't wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that be something? It would
be something? That's what I mean. She's looking at him like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm like, so is it a yes? Is it a no?
I need more from you, sir, But I love it
as a cliffhanger. I love him saying he's going to
stick around and record. He wants to do a project
with her.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, he's going to stick around. I don't remember where
this goes me either, no idea.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm really really curious how long we get to keep
him and what we're going to find out. I'm sort
of afraid that it's not going to be him.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I don't think it is, isn't it Kevin Kilner?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, Kevin Kilner was her dad?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, right, right, Sorry, but I'm really wondering who.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't I think maybe it is, because I mean,
this is Peyton's last season on the show anyway, so
I think they sort of have to tie up this storyline.
So maybe it is him.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I am so curious. I love when we get to
be surprised.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Nick Wolf, Nick Wolf like Nick.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, and then you go in the completely not sweet
direction of parental relationships that Victoria.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, they're working therapy. Okay, before we even get to Victoria.
This is my least favorite kind of therapy. I'm watching
this woman just well, first of all, she seems a
little like Superior, which kind of is irritating to me,
but I can get over it. But then she's like
she's basically just it's the it's the rhetorical. I wish
I'd written down one of her quotes, but it was
(18:08):
basically like, that's very normal. It doesn't really matter what
I believe, it's what you believe.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Like, yeah, oh I know what it is. I know
I drove you crazy. Okay. Well, first of all, again
the tie in that this was Haley and Nathan's therapist.
Oh right, why did they make this woman play British?
She's not. And that's why she seems sort of holier.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Than thou because it's very like, well, you know what
happens to people is like it's so aristocratic and weird,
is it? It's not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I didn't I oh, do you feel sad about your mummy?
Like it's so bizarre. But Brooke is sort of explaining
all of these things, and it really does sound Shakespearean.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It sounds like a wild absolutely you know, drama.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She essentially accuses her mother of being oz, you know,
pulling all the puppet strings and unleashing the flying monkeys,
and then goes through the sketches and then this and
the board meeting and you know, the whole plot, and
then realizing how crazy this sounds because who has a
family like this, But she really does. She says to
the therapist, you probably think I'm crazy. And what I
(19:15):
do appreciate is the validation she gets because she says, no,
I don't. I think we have a lot to talk about.
And I was like, it's almost great, but they made
it quippy with the I think we have a lot
to talk about, and I hated it. I was like,
it's important for Brooke to hear that she's not crazy.
(19:37):
It was like it was like a pancake they flipped
too soon.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Or something I thought she said. I thought her response
to that was it doesn't matter what I think. It
matters what you think. Isn't that when she said that?
Or was it not? Was that earlier?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It might have been earlier. I don't know. She did
say that at one point.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
At one point I was like, oh, so bessive, aggressive.
I hate that so much. You're like, I know it
only matters what I think, but I'm paying you to
tell me if I sound crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, you know what I liked about that, though, I
liked they did a couple of overlaps in this episode
that I thought were really well done, because sometimes we
overuse the device.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Oh yeah, cutting to the next scene.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yes, and and we did two really good ones. I said, well,
where should we you know, brook says, where should we start?
Like the whole story or since I fired her? And
then it cuts to the boys, you fired your mom? Yeah,
and it was like, oh man, we did it really
well in this episode. And I noticed two of them
and I really thought, like, oh, okay, the writers are
(20:40):
having a good time this season.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's nice. So speaking of the boys, it was interesting
to see Nathan. The storyline with deb is interesting to me,
and I guess I get it because he's been through
so much with both of his parents that to finally
put his trust in his mom. And just you know,
she's been in and out of rehab, she's had such
a tempestuous relationship with Dan, She's made some really selfish
(21:04):
choices in the past, and she finally seems to be
settling into her life in a very real and comfortable way,
and now she's doing something erratic, it seems to him again.
But Nathan wrestling with his priorities, like I guess, everything
(21:26):
getting thrown upside down with Q and not knowing who
he can lean on and who he can trust. And yeah,
it was a pretty, in my opinion, stupid move for
Deb to reveal it at the funeral like that. But
I mean, we're not perfect. It's terrible.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
But I will say, on the one hand, you go,
this is the moment, and on the other hand, you go,
that's the most human thing to do for this person
that you really care about.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah. Yeah, And so that's where I'm going. It's like
Nathan coming to the realization that his parents aren't perfect,
but like, his mom's not perfect, but she's still good.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Like, I feel like that was an important moment for
him to get to that place where he wasn't just
compartmentalizing everything about his parents. It was like something about
Q's death just broke open this spot for him to
just go okay eventually, you know, at the by the end, Yeah,
to just go okay. I have to leave room for error.
(22:30):
There just has to be room for error. And it
doesn't mean that my mom it's not black or white.
It doesn't mean my mom's a bad person. It's just
like she makes choices I wouldn't make. It's just interesting
to see him wrestle with that.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well. And you know what I wish we were going
to get a little bit of especially because we are
acknowledging the complexity of familial relationships here. We're doing it
with Peyton and Mick, We're doing it with broken Victoria
Brook is finally going to therapy.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Thank God.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's like we're digging into the realer stuff on the show.
We're not just doing glossy relationship drama all the time.
And I know we're not going to get it, but
what I wish we were going to get too now
that Nathan understands there's real feelings between these people, because look,
I get the initial like my mom is sleeping with
my friend. What's hell?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But I wish we could also get to a place
for debb where we got to understand a little bit
of why, where we got to hear a woman say, yeah,
I was in an abusive relationship and now I'm not
going to date someone unless I've known them for a while,
unless I've gotten to watch their behavior realize they're a
(23:42):
good person, not that they're a narcissist who's trying to
like mark me. And then, you know, we've talked about
this a lot on the show. You know you and
I have experience with narcissists, like it changes the way
you perceive people and how long you wait to trust
people and how long you wait to trust yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Because really, like she's going, I keep picking these people,
So something's wrong with me too, right, And.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
So I it's like starting to see a glimmer of
the acknowledgment of I don't want to hurt you and
I want to be happy.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yes, I'm like, oh man, I would.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Love for this to lead to more honest conversations between
Nathan and Deb about Deb's experiences as the woman in
relationship to Dan. Yeah, and I don't think we're gonna
get that, And I don't know part of me that's
like read all the books that we like send back
and forth, was just like, damn it, I want to
get there, like we're we're there's such an opportunity here,
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And I just think Barbara does such a beautiful job
when she gets to be in those scenes with James
and and Deb just gets to tell Nathan how she feels,
and I want more of it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I do too. And it's also considering all that, it
actually makes it bigger deal that she was willing to
break it off with Antoine in order to have a
relationship with Jamie. Yeah, this man, life is complex like that,
Like what are you going to do? Your son gives
you an ultimatum, like, I mean, yeah, you could choose
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to say, well, you're not the boss of me. I'm
going to do what I want and to live your
own life, and that's you're well within your rights to
do that, and he would be wrong in my opinion.
But life isn't always black and white. Again, It's like
her going, you know, this relationship is I have to
weigh these these options, and my grandson and my son
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are my priority. And in spite of the fact that
they're putting he's putting me in a position that I
don't deserve to be in. It is ultimately like my
I want to have that relationship with him, and that's
the important thing and we'll figure it out later on.
But what a sacrifice to go to somebody that's finally
making you happy and that you're in a great relationship
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and be like, I'm sorry, I just can't I can't
do it well.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And I mean not to get like so deep in
the weeds on the emotional end of it, and the
you know, the the therapy research.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
But you know, I love your research and I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Even the fact when you think about it, When you
know Deb has known Skills for so long, he felt
like a safe person for her to like get back
into her body with, you know, like a trustworthy, non
threatening this person's not going to be violent with me.
I can like have physical experience, you know. Yeah, And
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even without going into so much detail, Skills expresses that
to Nathan. He's like, yeah, it might have started as
a sex thing, but it's a whole other thing now.
I have feelings for her, and deb is admitting that
she has feelings for him. And I think there's also
something profound about a woman who's gotten out of, you know,
an abusive relationship, like finding a relationship to her her
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physical and emotional body and well being again with someone
in a safe way. And I don't know, I kind
of love that Haley's the one who gets to call
Nathan out on his reaction and be like, hey, guy,
you slept with my sister, you like you know how
we got started. You didn't say it, but could have
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been like you slept with like every cheerleader in the school.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yep, come on, both of my best friends.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, like literally everyone, and and I just love that
his response is like, cool, you're just never gonna stop
trying to make me a better person. Okay, great, great,
and you're like no, because you're kind of in an immigrant.
It's like so sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And Jamie's saying, I let you kiss my mom.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That mind My favorite line of the episode me too,
especially because Nathan's trying to rationalize to a five year
old why he's upset, and the five year old's like, well,
they like each other and I like them both, so
who cares? And he's like, yeah, but that's my mom,
like an adult is saying this to a child, and
the child's responses, you kiss my mom, Like he literally
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just owns him, like okay, dummy, It's so great.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's so great out of the mouths of babes. I
do love that. I love the fact that he just man,
kids really can have a way of seeing things in
the most simple format, and I think we need that sometimes.
Nathan probably needed it here well, and.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Not to pingpong around like total adhd brain no dabt.
It actually really makes me think. Jamie is so clear
with Nathan. He's just like dad, like you kiss my mom.
He just says the truth. And then you think about
Peyton being in front of meck and she can't bear
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to ask him on that walk, are you my dad?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So scary?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But you see her wanting to, so instead she takes
a deep breath and says, did you know my dad?
And then looks at him, hoping that because she cracked
the door, he'll walk through it. And isn't it interesting
that we layer on all of our experiences, We carry
them around with us for our whole lives, and as
adults sometimes we just can't be as clear as we
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could be when we were five.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Man, I wish I could. I really wish I could.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's just so I don't know. I love the sort
of dichotomy of all of these parental relationships in this episode.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes I do too. Okay, Well, let's talk about the
other parental relationship because there's so much Brook here to
dive into. She goes to New York, shows up at
Victoria's apartment. It's a glock down on the table. How
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does she even get to New York on the plane
with the gun?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I got on an airplane on my workoutfit.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Your workoutfit?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I have no jacket. I have flown from North Carolina
to New York without with no jacket. This was also
good God, this was the season where Wardrobe loved to
put me in vests. And I have no sunglasses on,
but I'm I have two black eyes. How am I
walking around New York City and all? I don't have
a carry on, I don't have anything. I have a
handbag with a gun. How did I get on a plane?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
She's a Brooke Davis. She was just like, let me
on the plane. It was her private plane.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I must have checked a bag and just left it
with the doorman or something.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
But you knew that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You were just going to say, like you didn't think
you were staying overnight, So why would you check a bag?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
But you can't get on a plane with a gun
unless you check it. I don't know it was. I
just was like, how I'm going to suspend my own disbelief,
but this feels ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I just wish she had drove, Like why would it
have been so hard for her to just get in
the car and dress.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I don't know, maybe right, maybe she charted a plane.
Maybe Brook has that much money.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I not anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
She gave away your company, well, she at the end
of the episode. Yeah, but I will say all of
the ridiculousness of it aside. I loved like just throwing
the bag down, putting the gun on the table and
being like we need to talk.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Like you had to commit to that material so hard.
Oh huh, there's no there's no half assing that without
it just looking. But you pulled it off. I mean
I believed you. It felt very like, this is what
you've brought me to. You've brought you have brought me
to this place where I'm carrying around a gun because
I'm terrified for my life. So here I want you
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to see for real what you've done to me.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and it was interesting. I remember I remember wanting
to make sure that it would feel honest, but it
wouldn't feel melodramatic. Yeah, that's to do. Oh there's like
such an opportunity to be like you've reduced me to
(32:05):
a shell of myself, you know, and it's like, oh
my god. So I had to figure out a way
to put that sort of like really tough brook energy
on it so it could be this like spicy teta
tet between the two of them, but also have beats
(32:29):
where like the fear could come out, and I remember
I just remember like really wanting to get it right
and being so happy getting into it with Daphne because
we just have such good chemistry. Yeah, that it like
(32:49):
quickly all of the how do you track the roller
coaster of emotion in this sequence homework stuff we do
as actors went away and we were just at each other. Yeah,
and that felt cool.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
What I thought was one of the things that was
really interesting about that scene is that it is the
first time that the roles were reversed and Victoria was
on the defense. Every other time that I can remember
Brooke and Victoria interacting, Brooke throws a fit sometimes, but
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Victoria always is more calm, always more I don't mean
to reduce Brooke. I'm not saying she throws a fit,
but you know, she acts out like she has her moment,
and Victoria just stays above it all and she's like,
I'm in charge, I've got the upper hand, and she
just lays down whatever thing she thinks she needs, and
Brooke was always left sort of in shambles, like what
(33:45):
just happened? I came in hot, I was right, I
had been wronged and somehow I'm still the one who's
crying and yeah, questioning myself. And it was the first
time that we got to see Victoria actually be scrambling
trying to figure out how to how to get through
the conversation.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Yeah, well, and so many things were so telling that
her first question was did you go to the police?
The first fear is what about the brand? What about
the reputation? And brookeets to throw that back in her face,
you know, because it's like, oh, you the pr spinner,
you know, and it really is working, and she's really
(34:28):
mustering up this courage to talk about how she doesn't
want to be like her mom. She doesn't want to
become this person, you know, she doesn't want any of this.
And then Victoria really hammers her with this thing that
is so cold and so cruel, but freeing.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
She doesn't say it in a cruel way. That's what's
so interesting and why Daphne's such a great actress. She
could have said it in a way that was mean
and like a vendetta. No, she just that's pure narcissism. Again,
just really believed that she was a victim, and she
was thinking that this is going to help explain to
you why why she treats you so badly. But it
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had the.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Opposite effect, which was really cool.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I liked that the story for Brooke was fuel instead
of something that hurt her, like it frees her. I
remember having this feeling in that scene. I have such
sense memory of this one, like just shaking my head
looking at her, being like, oh my god, I don't
have to carry this anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, that's what happened. My notes Brooke shedding, Yes, yes,
she's shedding well.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
And we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Whatever's happening in the world. All these people are sort
of reclaiming their independence and their power, and it's been
a wild season for a lot of humans, and we
talked about the like the aha, you know, at least
it has been for me this year of learning to
(36:16):
not just to carry everybody else's stuff, to not be
so worried about being a people pleaser, to not be
so worried about making everybody else happy, even if I'm miserable,
and I don't know, it felt resonant with me in
a way now that I was like, oh, yeah, that
feeling of going, oh, I don't have to carry this anymore.
(36:37):
This isn't about me at all.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, bye, And it's so.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Important And I don't think I knew. I remember it
feeling so good for the character then, but I don't
think I knew how profound it felt in my life yet. Yeah,
and it's cool to see it now. I don't know.
I I really looking back on it, like the way
this whole thing went down, and I like that before
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Victoria tells her the whole thing about this accidental pregnancy
and she never wanted to be a mom in the
first place, and they had a daughter and not a
son and all this stuff that's really dark that she
actually admits her jealousy, as though I was a failure
as a mother. You got everything you ever wanted, everything
I ever wanted. And Brooke gets to know that her
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mom's just been jealous of her this whole time.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Oh and real.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's heavy, but it's but it is freeing.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's so freeing. This scene. It's one of my favorite
Brook moments I think in this show, because you were
you know, I know, we use this phrase a lot
dropped into your body. But the difference here was I
feel like you really allowed Brooke to not have processed
(38:04):
this enough to get haughty with it. That might be
too dramatic of a word, But when you feel really
proud of yourself for standing up for yourself and walking
out of the room and doing the you know, your
famous stop over the shoulder, give the last line thing,
which is always so good, But you did all those
things without that sense of I'm proud of myself for
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doing this, because it's like it hadn't even hit yet.
She hadn't She didn't even have time to go, here's
what I'm gonna do, and I'm laying it down and
I'm out of here. It was just pure guttural reaction.
Oh I'm just done. Oh I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, Because the difference is it's not it's not an
I win. That's it.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's not I win.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm free, Yes, I'm free. Okay, it's it's the aha moment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
She didn't need to win, No, she had already won.
It's like the realization of like, oh, I don't this
isn't even well, this is not even a fight, it's
not even a thing.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
And then the win for her is to say take
the company. I don't want it. Yeah, that's where she
gets to win, that's it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, But I don't even think it started that
way in the way that I interpreted that, And maybe
you were thinking's any different when you were doing the scene,
But for me, it still felt like, oh, I'm not
done shedding hold on, this is the last piece I
need to unload.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Well because in a way she realizes, oh, I'm going
to cut the last cord. That's it. I'm just gonna
I'm gonna cut it. I don't want it. And then
she gets that last little moment she gets her win
when she says congrats, now you got everything you ever wanted.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, like she had to just let it all go first,
and then like, oh, yeah, this feels good. This is
what I should have been doing all this time. And
it goes to that quote that Lucas says on the
basketball court, sometimes it's not about winning, it's about healing.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
Yes, so good it does altogether, and that's what it is,
and that I think maybe that's why the scene feels
like such a big deal to me now, because that's it.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
When you when you put down all the shit you're
carrying because other people told you you were supposed to ah,
or you put down trying to fix something with a
toxic human because they're your family or your spouse or
or whatever, and you just go like, wait, what am
I doing this for?
Speaker 1 (40:38):
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Is life supposed to be this hard? I don't think
it's supposed to be this hard to look around and
say I'm done. Now, I'm done doing the work. It's freedom.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
I have said that for years about like, I mean,
it's out there now. When I left the group that
I was a part of and there was something that
I I've people keep asking me like, was it so
hard to leave with it? So I was like, actually, no,
walking away was the easiest part. The aftermath dealing with
everything is another story, but like walking away is the
(41:12):
easiest part because when you realize exactly what you're talking
about and you just like, oh, oh, I don't want
to do this anymore. Done.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I was actually telling somebody the other day, Joy, you'll
love it, because we've obviously both been through it. But
I was saying that, like it started in the spring
for me and then like through the spring and summer.
Do you remember that Megan the Stallion song howt Girl Summer? Yeah,
So like the group chat of like women going through
(41:43):
separations and divorces, like just kept growing, and then at
one point someone renamed it Hot Divorce Summer, and I
was just dying. I was like the fact that we
have this group chat that is literally giving everybody life
and people are trading like recommendations for lawyers, sending each
other like quotes from phenomenal writers. We have like a
book club going. We're sending each other like really hilarious
(42:05):
memes from like TikTok. It just got so great and
I was like, I in this moment while we're all
processing this and we're going to get feedback from our listeners,
I'm like, maybe we need to make that movie.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I was just gonna say, that's a TV show winding
me down right, Like that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I want to watch is like all the women getting free.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
But it's like Hot Divorce Summer. Yeah for summer. That's funny.
I know that at it, Like okay, by the way,
it's total sidebar. But First Wives Club, Oh it was brilliant.
But when I watch it, I was like, this is
they were our age? That was that was supposed to
be all like our age in that movie.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Which is no sense.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I know in the nineties were crazy.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
The meme that goes around at Christmas, which like now
is hitting the internet everywhere. That's like, if you're thirty six,
do you realize that Kevin's mom and home alone the
same age as you? And I was like, wait a minute,
didn't she have like eight kids?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
She would I could not.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's so wild to me. It's wild. Okay. But the
last thing I'm going to say bringing it all back
full circle to this New York jaunt for Brook, I
love the callback to our scene with Jamie when I
get in the cab and the guy asked me where
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I'm going, and I say, take me to the airport.
I'm going home to my family. Because Brooke is like,
I just wish I had a family like yours, and
he says, you do. Yes, you're my aunt Brook.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You're my aunt Brook. That's it. I'm going back to
my family.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It really reminds you, you know, all of us, that
you get to build it, you really do. And I
think I just loved that. I was like, yeah, that
feels really important. I thought the whole montage at the
end was really good for everyone.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yeah, I agree. The notes that I have on the
end of this episode, aside from music in big capital letters,
because the music is in this episode was again Lindsay Wilfington,
so excellent. Yeah, is the gestures we make, the rituals
that we have. There was something about like Brook getting
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in the back seat of the taxi. We've seen her
do this in the back We've seen her in the
back seat of a limo with Victoria. We've seen her
in the back of the taxi and backseat of cars.
There's something about this ritual. I mean whatever, it's a ritual.
You're in a taxi cab. Of course you're going to
be in the back seat. But it's reminiscent of those moments.
And then the boys, the basketball players, the patch, the
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fact that Lucas got them all new jerseys with the patch,
the gesture that they're making of playing without a fifth
and then asking to play without a fifth for the
rest of the season. There are these rituals and gestures
that we make in life, and it calls back to
Lucas's quote, life is fleeting, our time here is short,
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and to honor the fallen, we must live our lives well.
And I don't know that I have a complete thought
on this as much as it was just a deep
emotion and an awareness of how important those gestures and
rituals are. And I just honor that about our show.
(45:27):
I feel like we did a really great job bringing
those up and continuing them throughout the seasons. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, and you know, we talked about this the other
day with Robbie. But obviously it's so frustrating to have
lost such an impactful character because a bunch of grown ups,
like we're arguing about people's paychecks. But it really did
allow us to open this sort of trapdoor to even
(45:59):
more feeling and even more ritual. Yeah, and it created
the container that was, you know, built out of such
serious emotion that it sort of required all the characters
to process these big, serious things. And it really was
(46:20):
I think to our storylines. It was a gift.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, but it's inspiring too. The ritual of coming together,
the gestures of Quintin's not here to see them do that,
it's not I mean, it's for him, but it's also
for them. And the gestures of feeling. Oh, that was
the last piece of skills, making the gesture to come
even though it was he didn't do anything wrong and
(46:46):
he knew Nathan was mad at him, and he just
put himself out there and took the risk. Yeah. I
just really admired that. I thought that was such a
cool choice. I did too, another just gesture like, let's
play the ritual, let's do our dance that we've been doing.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And he shows up, well, he
shows up to fill a void in Nathan's life and
by doing so, remind him that he's going to be
there for him no matter what.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
And the and the sort of second layer of that
is and I have been for this long, yeah, you know,
for all for our friendships and all these things we
do and have done all these years together. And I
loved that. Again, sometimes you know, they to make time,
they would cut the moments in our scenes. It was
(47:38):
just dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, And I loved that they
didn't do that here. And they let the awkwardness hang
in the air, and they let Nathan really look at skills.
We really got to watch James decide whether or not
he was going to answer the question yeah, and then
he said, yeah, you know, I need to work on
my left And it was such a good double entendre.
(48:02):
So maybe that's where we start. Oh, I was like,
we did it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yes, the beautiful tapestry of life weaving together all the
imperfections and just coming back to family, coming back to
your emotional home. So good.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, you guys, so good.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
Else to say? I really loved this episode. Yeah, it
was such a nice, pleasant surprise.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
We touched on Nanny Carey being in the house, Yeah
we did.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, all right, she was great. I love Tori, She's
always great. I liked that. You know, she came and
talked to Deb on the bench. That was kind of funny.
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Well, and that's how she knew like Deb wouldn't be there.
It was so creepy.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Also in what a weird way that she actually inspired
Deb to make the stand up for herself a relationship,
you know what. It just goes to show you like
people can be used in any way, any shape or form.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
It's yeah, someone's hero is someone else's villain and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Hey, that's good, that's good. Okay. Listen from Mary Kate
episode six oh two. You guys are talking about how
it's a friend's job to tell Brooke you're not okay
or to help her open up okay, as women who
have grown up together and have a trusting relationship, do
you have any tips on how to start the conversation
with a friend. Even with that kind of relationship, it
can be hard to talk about hard things. That's true,
(49:29):
Mary Kate, that is true. Yeah, I don't know, pick
up the phone.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
That's hard. I mean, I think it can all be hard.
But I think the best way. I'm just thinking about
it because six oh two, you know, I think we're
referring to the fact that, you know, Hillary was voicing
that she was so frustrated. Remember that Peyton didn't say like, hey,
you're obviously not good, Like what's going on? I don't
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think you fell down the stairs. You know. I think
if you know someone might not want to talk about something,
but you're worried about them, I think sometimes the best
way to approach it is I might be off base here, Yeah,
but I feel like you're not okay. I'm a little
(50:23):
worried about you, and I'm here and you can tell
me anything. Do you need to talk?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, because what's the worst that can happen?
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
You could be off base, everything could be fine, and
then they just know you're a great friend looking out
for them, or they tell you what's up, or they
aren't still aren't comfortable talking, but at least they know
that you are there for them and that you know
it's up to you. Yeah, I think that's good advice.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Well yeah, and I think I think what it can
do if they're not ready, like you were saying, is
it just reminds someone that you see them. Yeah, And
sometimes that's what we have to do, Like through strange periods,
we just say like I see you, I'm around, I'll wait,
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and sometimes people have to say, yeah, I'm not ready,
but I see you too. And life is long, you know,
like everything feels so pressing, and we want answers so
quickly all the time, and we want everyone to have
the right thing to say all the time, and we
want to know everybody's business and everything is insane. And
maybe that's because social media refreshes every time we pull
(51:36):
our thumb down our phone screen.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
So we think training our brains.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
You know, we just think we're supposed to have more
and more and more all the time all the time.
Sometimes you just have to give people a minute. But
I think a little reach out to say, like I'm here,
if is a nice way to start. Yeah, and if
it's slow, let it be slow.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, just you know, yeah, I agree. Just being there
often makes such a huge difference. Yeah, that's funny you
say life is long. It's because even though it does off,
I always feel like, man, life is so short, and
it is, you know, the core of the episode, life
is Fleeting. When I landed in Nashville, the day that
I moved to Nashville, me and Maria got on the plane,
(52:17):
we landed here, I'm standing in the hallway of the
airport and I hear somebody talking to me and I
feel a hand on my shoulder. I turn around. It's
Gavin de Graft in the air and I was like,
what in the world are you doing here. He's like, well,
I mean I live here, it's not that crazy. And
I was like, yeah, I know, but like today of
(52:39):
all days, the fact that I'm going somewhere with this
so bear with me. But the fact that he and
I told him this, I said, the fact that you
were there. I know that you're just in the airport
doing your thing. But for me, coming back to coming
to a place where it represents the star of something
(53:00):
that I never got to finish because of all these
complications in my life when I you know, coming to
Nashville to work on music and singing and try and
do something again later in life to feel like am
I even going to be able to do this? And
it's just felt like a miracle to me, like a sign,
like the fact that you from One Tree Hill were
coming back into the future to tell me that it's
(53:21):
all okay. And he said to me, the road is long,
and that was it. It was like, I mean, he
said other things, but like that was the that was
the takeaway that, yeah, life is short, but the road
is long. Yeah, and yeah, holding on to those friendships
and like you're saying and just letting letting people know
that you're there for them. And yeah, it's hard to
(53:42):
talk about hard things with everybody. Everybody has it. You
get a pit in your stomach. I hate that I
have to say this out loud. It's scary. I don't
like being vulnerable. Lah, But what's the alternative? What are
you going to do? Yeah, we have to spin a
wheel and we have to we have to spin a.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
Whel and we have to do an honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
I mean honorable mention, Like does Jackson not get the
honorable mention for that line, so.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I got one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (54:07):
It was so good. All right, let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Oh boy, the most likely too get a tattoo they regret.
I mean Haley did that, didn't she? I don't know,
she sure did she? She got her a little tramp stamp.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
I feel like that tracks. I mean, I feel like,
I don't know, Haley and Lucas both got pretty bad
tattoos in high school. Maybe that's really the lesson is,
just don't get tattoos in high school.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
I think that's a good lesson, you know, I think
that's a really good lesson.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I like all the tattoos I've got, and as an adult,
like the first two from like twenty three and twenty five,
I'm still like, meh, they're fine. I can do without them.
But yeah, I just feel like, wait, until you know
yourself better.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Nobody's reckless than Nobody like me is reckless enough that
they would wake up with a tattoo or get something
that they regret. I don't know, I can't think of
anybody well, no, I.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Mean, Hillary loves all her tattoos. I know Danille loves
all her tattoos.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, I like mine. I was even thinking of Daniel
because when when at Hillary's wedding she had the tattoo
artist and it was like one in the morning and
Daniel's like, I'm gonna get mischief on my calf and
I was.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Like, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
I did stop her and looked at her in the
eyes and I was like, are you ready to do this?
Do you want a word on the back of your calf?
Are you sure? She said yes, and she loves it so.
Speaker 3 (55:57):
Great, loves it. I know, I think it's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, actually didn't. Didn't
Chad get a tattoo that they had to cover up
because I don't know if he regretted it or not,
but they did have to no, because it was like
it was in some other language. And then it ended
up not being.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
On his shoulder. Yeah, that's where we put That's where
we put Lucas's tattoo.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yes, because wait, he didn't mean like did he thought
it mean something and then it actually meant like fork
or like silverware like.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
You I think that's in the show. But didn't he
have oh right, right right? He had a tattoo and
then had to cover it with another tattoo, and that's
why we had to put one over it. Is okay?
Is that right?
Speaker 6 (56:44):
Is right?
Speaker 1 (56:44):
So? I think yeah? In real life? Okay. I mean, look,
I don't know if he would do that today, but
he's certainly well.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
He didn't have a Haley around to pause him and
say are you sure? Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Oh? Man? I did just find this quote and I
would love to read it. It's so good, okay. To
love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and
your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you
want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must
give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap
it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries, avoid all entanglements,
(57:20):
lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of
your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless,
it will change. It will not be broken. It will
become unbreaking, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.
M I love so in the spirit of exactly what
(57:43):
Sophia you were just saying about being there for a
friend and letting them know it's yeah. To love is
to be vulnerable. So it is the most loving thing
that you can do to just be vulnerable, if you know,
if you can trust person to handle that. So hopefully
you know you out there, Mary Kate have some really
(58:07):
great friends in your life that you can experience that with.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, just give it a shot, all right, friends, Next
week we will be on season six, episode five. You
have dug your own grave, now live in it.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Oh boy, sounds harsh. Wow, that was a great episode.
I had a nice night.
Speaker 3 (58:24):
Thanks, I loved it. Thanks, see you later, friends.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Hey, thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also
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