Tears and Junk with Cullen Moss ᐧ EP622

Cullen Moss is back!! He shares an intriguing and unknown insight into Junk’s backstory. 

Tons of tears were shed for this episode and a deep conversation unfolds regarding the lessons learned from OTH.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, you don't know me.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,
all about them.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
High school queens.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl
shared for the right teams Drama, Queens, l girl Fashion,
but your tough girl, you could sit with us Girl Drama,
Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drahna Queens Drama Queens.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
You guys, we're with our favorite.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Colin Moss is here just stuffing everybody.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Just get out of my lane.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm here to win.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Jump pay McReady is not to be messed with.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Can I give you a jersey that says that please please?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I would love it?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Oh? Okay, So this is a big sad episode and
Colin's here to make it better.

Speaker 6 (00:51):
So thank god because we just wept through six queer us.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Okay, Sophia, tell him, tell him what we watch.

Speaker 6 (01:01):
Guys, we watched season six, episode twenty two, Show Me
How to Live. It aired May fourth, two thousand and nine. Colin,
do you want to hit your little your little chat
icon and read us the synopsis?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
You know I do. Brooke and Haley throw Peyton a
baby shower while Sam grows closer to Victoria, Lucas and
Jamie bond while working on Peyton's car, and Nathan learns
that NBA Scouts will be at his next game. Meanwhile,
Antoine and Lauren go on a date that goes all

(01:36):
We're wrong. Directed by James Lafferty.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
James's first episode, There we Go.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's crazy. How old was he in two thousand and nine?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Like twenty two was he?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's like, it's insane seeing everybody this the episodes, I mean,
and especially like especially the dudes for some reason, because
like and I'm not I'm not blowing smoke, but you
ladies are have are very unchanged to me.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
I mean, more smoke, please, thank you?

Speaker 5 (02:17):
You go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I mean it's it's true, but I mean, and
I look at like all these dudes in there awkward
still like we're still becoming phase.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
So yeah, I liked this episode because everybody had something
to do, and even though it was really like everybody
was doing something a little different, especially Brooke and her
spy wardrobe and the Dunkin Donuts commercial.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
It's like the full head scarf and.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
The loved it.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
But I was like, all right, well now that that's out,
of the way she could focus on her dramatic arc
of trying to adopt a child.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Loved it.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Troubled Sam.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I know. Yeah, having everybody have their own storyline is
always really fun. And I love the Boys Apartment. We
do this thing on the show Colin where we give
honorable mentions and I can't tell you how many times
the Boys in the Apartment has gotten the honorable mention.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, the couch dwellers. Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
The realist part of the show.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
You know, Sophia's trying to adopt a teenager and who
knows what Peyton's doing, you know, and the boys are
just eating pizza playing video games.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
It's so nice, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Especially with some people in their early twenties, which our
characters are supposed to be. Like Brooke Davis runs this giant,
multi million dollar company, and Nathan's in the NBA, and
everybody's buying houses, and like even even you guys like
Lucas and Peyton are just.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Living in a house.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
His mom was like, you can have this kid, I'm
going off on a yacht. Like it's so silly, And
thank god we've got some boys who are roommates ordering pizza,
cause you know, we were all trying to figure out
like how to be and pay rent and stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
We didn't know, we didn't know anything.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
And I love that.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
I love that we have some characters that are based
in reality.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, the truth of arrested development and.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, you know, is it even arrested. It's actually like normal,
a natural progression.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing in twenty two
and only you know, I always I think there is
this implication that that some paraphernalia had just been set
down before the camera had us, Like, I don't like
it often, like.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, that's fun. I wonder what, like what were junks
goals in high school? Like did he ever have a
crush on someone? We didn't see a lot of junks, Yeah,
like secrets. So what was the backstory that you created
in your head?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Okay? I I wish that I was that thoughtful back then.
Sometimes I could make something up right now.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
You were like, I'm just here for the craft service.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
I love it here.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
What do you want me?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
What do you want me to say? Flippantly? Okay? I
mean I'm sure junk. Did you know there's like and
and I think I think I did just have like
this Junk was just like anyone just smng something because anything.
There was one thing of like a brief element of

(05:41):
me showing a picture and I don't remember of whom
two to the guys saying, oh, it's this girl I
met at camp. She lives in Canada. And you know,
it was the It was the bullsh I love that thing.
That junk just has this imaginary this imaginary girlfriend somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But by the way, that happens until my wedding, everyone
was like, Okay, Hillary, I'm sure you have a boyfriend.
And that was the first time anyone met Jeffrey. They
were like, oh, he's real crazy. It's been a decade.
People do that all the time. We bought it totally normal. Okay, well, Peyton,
all she's ever wanted to do since high school is

(06:20):
Mary Lucas Scott and have his baby.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And here we are. It's gonna kill her.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, what is that metaphor?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Girl?

Speaker 4 (06:30):
I don't know the thing that you want is going
to kill you? Kill you weird.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Set your sight's low, Like just be like Junk and
just let life happen.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Just be along for the ride.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
You know what I love And this This is what
I was starting to expand on when I realized I
was no longer even on the zoom. I was just
talking to myself. But the container for this episode and
probably the reason that I sobbed the whole thing opening
the show on you, like Michael Keaton in my life.

(07:08):
I was like, oh, good look and this sort of
beautiful thing like we always did these season enders, you
know that that had a big story, and this for you,
I thought it was just so impactful and God, you're
so good sitting like trying to keep it together talking

(07:28):
to that video camera.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
And James did such a good job with this episode, like.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
You can feel the container of Peyton's experience doing what
you're doing on screen with that box for the baby,
and I love that it turns in meaning for Lucas
thanks to Jamie. He's like, your whole life's in that box.
I wish I had one of those. And he gets it,
he gets what you're doing and it shifts everything. But

(07:58):
this this sort of sad happy duality you played so
beautifully and I and I think you guys designed you know,
the whole episode around it so well. I mean, even
the baby shower, It's like happy and it's really sad
all the same time.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
It was Peyton's saying goodbye to everyone, right.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Well, and that's why I kept sobbing.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I was like, oh god, it was a cool way
to see everyone, to see like our friends from the
River Court, to see you know, Haley and Nathan. If
you ever want a mom and dad fix like, go
to them.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Make sure you.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Pick the best best friend. These are the songs you're
gonna listen to.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
A way for Peyton to touch on everything because I mean,
in my mind filming this, let's just get to the
behind the scenes start. In my mind filming this, they're
gonna kill me, right, Is that what you thought, Colin?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Were you? Like, they're killing those chicks. She's dead me.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's done, and they're letting her do it. You know,
they're letting her do it poetically.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, we're just gonna put her on a raft, push
her down the river.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
She's gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Peyton is saying goodbye to everyone because we were in
contract renegotiations and this is a this is a signal
to Hillary, you're dead, babe, Like we're done.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
And I was just you.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Know, you get the script and You're like.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Huh, You're like, oh, this is what it's like.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
We discussed in the last episode how when Chad and
I were shooting the last episode, that's when they announced
that the show was coming back, but they had not
offered either of us contracts, and it was basically them
being like, we're good, you can leave, and we were
just like.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Well, right, cool story.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So then, well I finished filming and I was like,
you know what I'm gonna do in this situation. I'm
gonna go back home to Stirling Park and I'm probably
gonna go kiss some dudes from high school and have
a couple of beers, and then I'm gonna figure out
a plan. And so remember we had our Southern Gothic Productions,

(10:03):
the production company that I started down there, Yes, yes, yes,
and you had just made a movie with Nick Austin
and I, you know, like we were doing fun stuff.
But I had, before social media, a production web page.
Remember when we had like vlogs, yep, the world of
the vlog.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I remember when people hadlogs.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
So I was like, I'm just I'm going to post
a vlog because news has been out that the show's
getting picked up.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
But I'm not.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I posted a video that you know, has like
so many views on the internet at this point where
I was like, I have no control over the creative
and I'm really sad. I love Peyton, I'm not coming back,
but still watching the show.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
It was a big deal.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
It was a really big deal.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
And it dispelled those rumors of.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Someone and someone had gone to the press and put
out all these rumors that I wasn't coming back because
I was demanding lots of money and being difficult, when
in reality, I was willing to take less money so
that all the other actors could get favored nations and
get paid more.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
And so I was but heard about that.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
So I put out this video and then I get
this script and I'm like, what, okay, fine, I'm gone,
like what more do you.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Want for me?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
So James is directing, and he's you know, twenty two,
maybe twenty three years old.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
If we were twenty.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Six when this happened, how much younger is James four
four years?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right?

Speaker 4 (11:36):
All right?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
So he's twenty two and he's doing a beautiful job,
and I see how important it is to him and
how much we need to keep the drama at Bay like,
we just need to show up and do our jobs.
And so Chad comes and he's ready to cry, and
I show up and I've got to cry and everything
seeing and our boss finally crawled out from under his
rock and came to set in the middle of Peyton

(11:59):
having to do the video confessionals, and it's not lunch break,
it's not any kind of break.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
And I hear, all.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Right, we're gonna be taking a twenty minute break, and
I'm just like, oh no, and he calls me into
the kitchen set and you guys don't remember that set, right, Yeah,
the walls go up, they go up like nine feet,
but then it's just open air so you can hear
every conversation. I get my ass chewed for twenty to

(12:28):
thirty minutes for everybody to hear you're gonna take that
video down, You're gonna take how dare you?

Speaker 4 (12:34):
You're gonna take video down?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And I'm just like, you know, I'm not I'm not
gonna take it down.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I'm not gonna do any of it.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And so against the background of Peyton having to do
all this very sad stuff is just bedlam going on.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
And I was like, okay, all right, I want to
go to the boys set. I want to eat pizza.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I want to pick up whatever paraphernalia the boys have
on their set because everything seems so much safer over there.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Can I get a slice and a water gun? Like
I want to get out of here?

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Give me there?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
It was crazy, and so watching this episode back, I'm like,
we did a really good job for this much crazy.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
We did a really good job. And you know what's wild?
Like God, you talking about that? It gives me chills.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
The public ass chewing is always did you ever get
one of those.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Colored not not on that show?

Speaker 4 (13:26):
They feel?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I mean, it's just just I mean what what what
could I do on that show that weren't I mean.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
No, but ask for more for some other I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, not like that? And how how she? And just
how sorry?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
You were a safe boy?

Speaker 6 (13:45):
You sure were, And it was interesting because you guys
were obviously having your storyline, but with all of us
girls with you. This episode was really when it hit
me that this was like happening. We were trying to
to do things as a block. We were you know,
we had learned, which was obviously the network's nightmare. We

(14:08):
learned the lessons not to say that we were ever
gonna get paid what they did. But like we were like, oh,
if the Friends cast negotiated as a.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Group, well guys, we're just like friends would be on.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
The coffee shop.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Guys. You know you would have been Chandler.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Okay, you're so funny, but like.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
When things were happening behind the scenes and you were like, oh,
they're gonna they're they're going to like blow up the plan.
There are people who've blown up our plan, and and
particularly for you and I like this is when you
know Brook and Peyton and me and.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
You like people as in other cast members that blew
it up.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
I'm just gonna keep it classy.

Speaker 6 (14:49):
But you know, uh we we Hillary and I were
so enmeshed, and during this episode it hit me and
and being there for our boss saying all the terrible
things in the open air that like I was like,
oh my god, this is really happening, Like she They're

(15:09):
really this isn't like a tactic that like is this
really gonna be real? They're not really gonna let them leave,
Like this can't be real. And I remember sitting in
that baby shower with you and just being like, but
you make everything better for me, And we were having
this like insanely surreal experience where we were grieving on

(15:31):
camera and having to be like, it's gonna be okay,
but it's never going to be okay.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
And and yeah, like we didn't know if Peyton.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Was even going to live, like, you know, were they
going to do the dirty thing? When like, you know,
somebody on a cop show does something bad and then
they get shot and they die.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Is that how it worked, Colin? Is that how it works?
You get to kill a long and actors? No, No,
I don't get I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
She doesn't kill anybody. It was almost me in season
one of Lot about our banks and not not Adina Porter.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Who'd you piss off?

Speaker 1 (16:05):
I've I've No, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Good for you?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
I did I did something that kept me around. I
don't know good.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, you're lovely, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's I'm lovely.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
But isn't it crazy how your behavior behind the scenes
or just like the circumstances you're wrapped up in affect
what happens to your character because it's like do we
want more of this?

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Do we want less of this?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
They kept Junk around for nine years, like yeah, Junk
could have died at any moment.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
We were killing all sorts of people.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Jump Junk almost disappeared like season three years season season
two or three. And I found out because I went
to I was going, I was delivering a grip or
electric equipment equipment to one of the stages and was
asking for you know, I don't remember how I got
a script, going I get a script. I was looking

(16:58):
and I started seeing that Fergie was showing up in
episodes without me, and it was always smoking fire right,
it was always Fergy and Junk. I was like, funs
in this episode, and and I'm not just okay, let's kids.
He's going on this little adventure. That's cool. And but
after a while it was just silence, and so I

(17:20):
emailed and I said, hey, just curious, like if if
things have run their course, they've run their course. I
just I would like to be apprized. And and the
response came back like, yeah, I don't know that we
have really a a solid point of view for your character.
I don't know this and that, and then and then

(17:40):
the the final blow.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
The and there's this age difference, and you know, you
don't really it's hard to sell you as things.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You failed two grades.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Guys, what do you want from him?

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, there was trying.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Things are happening physiologically with you. No, I mean that
was not said aloud, but but but I wrote back.
I said, okay, I said, Okay, I get it. I said,
but how about I said what I said, I've never
been established as a high school student. I said, I've
been at the River Court games. I said, you never

(18:20):
see me in the hallways with a backpack, You never
like total I'm not in class. I said, what if
I'm like the kind of weird older guy at the
at the River Court that just they can't let go
of high school and they only and can only have
the high school friends that like to play ball away.
That was like, what if I'm the guy that that
gets the beer? What if I'm I'm the guy that
gets the beer? What if I'm the guy yourself? And

(18:44):
I was like, and I did that and I said that,
and he's like, well, yeah, I'll think about it. And
so when I got when they brought me back, I
was kind of rolling with that assumption, like Okay, that's
who I am, And it gave me some perspective. But
then they put me in prom and then then they
had me graduating. I'm like, but I thought I was
the guy. I thought it was cool.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
I thought I was the weird dude.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
By the way, I remember that guy from high school,
the guy that buys beer for the freshman, right.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah somebody's older brothers. Yeah, friend and yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I went home for my book tour and he showed
up and I was like, You're still buying beer forever?

Speaker 5 (19:22):
This is incredible?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Is who you were forever?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Love that guy that hangs out outside the Kroger, just
waiting for him.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Yeah, hey, you need something, you need anything? I was
just going inside anyway. I never do the Kroger.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I loved it.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah, I know this that. It was saddish.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was so everybody was almost crying. It was sad
and sweet, and and it reminded me what a good
what a good little actor. Jackson was too. My boys
are acting now, and I'm trying, how old was Jackson?
Do you think when we shot that?

Speaker 5 (19:55):
I think he's just eight.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was eight.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
He was six when he started, so he was eight here, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Okay, yeah, but he was great and all that. And Hillary, Yeah,
y'all you handled out just beautifully, especially knowing about this
open air reaming that God, oh happened.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Well, you know what a terrible temper I have, And
so just like you know how much strength it takes
to not tap into a terrible temper, the restraint just
for a Southern woman to not go nuts.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Especially when somebody's standing in front of you, like pushing
the big red button.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh my god, sitting at that kitchen table. And I
want to say it was Steve Allen again that like
shuffled through the window was like a broom, right, just
like just like get up, just to like be like, oh,
I didn't know you guys were having a serious conversation.
Like that was always the card he would play, like oops,

(20:55):
I had no idea something was going on anyway.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Do you hear the head Taketos like service right now?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I mean, he was so wonderful doing stuff like that
all the time. And so I got out of this
ass reaming. But can you imagine if it had been
any other director than James, like sweet baby James. No,
they totally took advantage of the fact it was his
first episode to be like, hey, we got to take
a thirty minute ask chewing break can you just stand
by and lose thirty minutes of shooting time.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Go outside and find something to stare at.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, here's a.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Ball, and then proceed as if it didn't happen and
do the repair work that's necessary.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, go hit your mark, say the words now, good luck,
we're on your tighter coverage. It was such a good
learning experience, but he kept the I mean I think
that would have thrown anybody else, and because he didn't
have anything to compare it to, it was just like, Okay,
we're going to go now, and was great. I mean,
he was so calm that you couldn't help but be calm.

(21:55):
All right, yeah, well that's done.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
And I think there was really something too about having
one of us sort of holding the container together during
that because the whole experience was so surreal, and I
think everyone was at different stages of like this isn't
really happening right, like they're with us and and to it.

(22:21):
I actually think it worked in our favor to have
it be one of us running the show instead of
like an adult who we had to pretend like the
things were normal with. I think there I think there's
some there's obviously a lot of emotion in the undercurrents

(22:43):
of the episode that you can see that plays really beautifully.
But I think part of the reason that the episode
as sad as it is, also feels like a hug
is because we were in a safe container with our friend.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
And then you know, even the conversations that Nathan like
the boy relationships on their show.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I love so much, Nathan and Lucas together.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
In the garage, leaning on the comet.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Broing out being guys? Is that how guys really talk?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Colin Just dudes being dudes, be and dudesby.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
And dudes, except we sing it and you get to
be more of a dude if you're in a gage.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Oh you mean non theater guys.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Mean you weren't a total jock growing up. You don't
know how bros get down.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I played soccer. Uh uh, that's how bros get down.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Over the comet it is, I mean, I believe it. Yeah,
my dad was a real man.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
You only need one, you know, you just have that
one shining example and then for the whole rest of
your life you can grow out. And Nathan and Lucas
had Uncle Keith who taught them to brow out.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Did you film with Craig?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I did rarely, I've filmed. He was I remember I
was working Club Trick when he when he was dating
what's uh his character was dating? Yeah jewels, yes, jewels.

(24:39):
But yeah, Craig was great. Who was my guy on set?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Just like, who is your elder bro?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean Mike rail h He's not that elder. I
mean I don't know, you know, I mean who I
loved and I honestly got like the only person that
that like made me a little nervous was Berry, like

(25:06):
just cause you know, I'm like, that was the that
was the face that I knew, and that and was
the season vetter I'd loved Lonesome Dove and and war
Games and and and Northern Exposure totally was like Maurice's here.
They have gone forward, you know whatever?

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I love?

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is there a prequel somewhere where you're playing Young whitey, Like, please,
that's gotta happen.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
I would please.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
We're doing a prequel Young White and Camilla Camilla coming Home?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Oh that's got my wheels turned.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
And one one mentor Michael Dinner. I'm just I just
put the name out there, not really I just it
was just the one director that wasn't should.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Remember from our show or just in life?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Did he direct our show once? Didn't he?

Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
I don't know that name. Well, then we've missed out.
We missed out.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Okay, so we've got ten minutes left with you because
you're going to do something.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Are you want to do something?

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Fun?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I'm going to go it's uh my, my boy. Emmett
is turning eight tomorrow, so we're going to his school
and we were doing that slide show celebrating our boy
at Montassory School thing.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Is he the one who's doing a Christmas Carol? Is
he acting?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
That was Louie?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
They both that was Louie.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Okay, Louie.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Louie did a Christmas Carol? And Emmett right now is
working on he's got a recurring role in this show
that's shooting in Charlotte. He's got The Hunting Wives he's
working on that.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
He's doing that show Britney Snow, Yeah, he's Britney's son.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Fun. That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Oh my god, I can't wait to text her after this.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
You guys, we have infiltrated every production in the Southeast,
like boy.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Exciting, really wild. So it was it was interesting watching
Jackson on this and thinking about the parallels and Jackson
having got started at six and and this stuff. Em
it's done some like he's done an indie feature and
the indie short and stuff, but this is like the
first like big scale thing that he's done. And Louie

(27:30):
has done a couple of things. Now yeah, and I
don't know if it's the right thing.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
And look at Barbara's kids. I mean, you and your
wife are both actress like.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Barbara's kids like that that is that is that I
think is a singular thing. I mean that they're they're
amazing and and I think that that's and they they're
probably an exception to the rule. Like there's just well adjusted,
but so are you.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That's why everyone calls you for their projects because you.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
You just bring up.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, you bring a little bit of glimmer to everything
that you do. It makes everything feel full on our
show when your character is there. And I know you
lend that to other productions that you're a part of.
And so if there was a storyline in this episode
you want to junk to infiltrate which one we talked,
We got Nathan with the NBA. We've got Brooke trying

(28:31):
to get this teenager to be her daughter. We've got
Peyton's gonna down her. Go if it loves you, it
will come back. Which storyline is Junk inserting himself in?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
What if we find out that Junk is Sam's dad?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
There you go, that's it. That's all right, you just
answered it for me? And who was?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
So?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I saw in the credits of this that that Juliette
Cesario plays Sam plays birth mom and Juliette Juliette was
a theater friend of mine in Wilmington. But I never
saw her in the episode, so they must they must
have cut her.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, they show her in other episodes.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
Okay, they only really show Sam and then me and
Sam and then in this episode me watching her. So
it's a lot of like looking in over her shoulder.
There's a cute little diner scene of them sitting in
the Dixie grill, but Sam's facing camera and you're and
Juliette is facing Sam.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
So it's a lot in the back of her head.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Sweet angel, she like really came in and did a
lot of work to be in mostly mos scenes.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's a missed opportunity, because all I could think is
what a mom. This lady is making this child come
alone at night, bring her own bags in, whear it up,
pick her up?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
This is like this is like before for Uber and
before and when I was I was just wondering.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
When you're like why didn't I drive her to that house.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You're like, bye, And she walks out the door, and
then you see her at walking and You're like, is
she is she walking?

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Walking? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
By the way, I love that.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
Brooks like, I'm gonna love you forever. You always have
a home here. I'm always gonna do what's best for you.
I'm like, but you can't give a kid a ride?

Speaker 4 (30:27):
No, but like, who made this decision? Much money? Would
you have paid?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Though? If when she got to the house, the door
opens and it's Junk with his arm around her, Mom
like this, I.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Know you come back to haunt me.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, I love incredible.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah, it's my boyfriend. He brought some pizza over.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
We're gonna hang out.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I mean skills.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Date got infiltrated by this Chuck kid who has such
good comedic timing.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
He is so funny.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Michael may Great, who went on to play Lee the
brother of the youngest brother of Lee Norris and myself
and blood dun't signed my name God Tim Tyson, the
Tim Tyson memoir that got made into a movie with
Rick Schroeder.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
But then the Treo Gang.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
But it was crazy. Yeah, like that we played siblings
in this. We were horrible horrible family were the Teal
brothers who were awful and racist and did committed murder.
But yeah, but fun fact about checking.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
I love that Michael May's start comes in this episode.
And this is also the inception of I Got Chucked,
which which really was, you know, a piece of verbiage
that lasted for a long time on our show, and
I loved it. And I love that Michael May just
committed even as a little boy. He was like, you
want me to be the worst, Okay, I'll do it.
I'll manage to be cute, even with a little chucky

(32:04):
ventriloquist doll.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
You're gonna love me and you won't know why.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, and you and they were already they were like
already kind of whispers of the what was what led
up to a very special episode because you know, when
she's like his mom, which was thrown away as a
as a joke in this episode, but then yeah, it
comes into this like he's from this horrible, abusive family
and that happens a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, Alison Moune really did just make a little joke
about drinking drinking mommy.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, we got to hang with this kid whose mom's
not around, because.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Oh my god, it goes dark.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Beware the seeds that are sown in tree Hill, they
grow and grow. All right, what else haven't we hit
in this episode? How do we feel about Victoria?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
I have seven pages of notes for this episode.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
This episode was massive.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
I watched it.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
On set last night waiting for dark. So all my
goats are on the back of sides.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I'm sorry above taking us down too many rabbit trails.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
No, babe.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I honestly, this episode was so heavy and I really
did cry a lot because I think it's every mother's
or father's, just anybody's worst nightmare to leave your kids.
And as a mom, and I must you know, I'm
by myself a lot because my husband works out of town.
The horror of having to leave a message like that
behind is really heavy. And then like the horror of

(33:28):
like what Brooke is going through a finally loving someone
and then being like cool, but I found my birth mom,
so I'm gonna go to her house in the dark.
You know, it just hurts so bad. So I needed
the rabbit holes Colin.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
She needed some levity, sir.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, I'm glad. I'm glad to provide. Yeah it was.
But yeah, there's like this show was like more intricately
thought out than I remember sometimes, Like I mean I was,
it was coming in and out as I did. I
was not always aware of what had been happening for

(34:10):
a long time, and I wasn't aware of the kind
of the continuity that was going on and and necessarily
of all the dynamics that had evolved. And so it's
it's interesting anytime I go back and look at it,
just what just in some time we'll do to one's
perception of something like that. But it was, it was,
it was well done, and you guys do such a

(34:31):
beautiful job.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Nice baby.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, I mean we're old people now, so watching the
show is so like what in the world, Like, what
are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
And it's also that.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
This was a one Yeah, Nathan Scott's going to get
to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I mean that was We always joke about how We're
all doing different movies at any given time, you know,
like somebody's doing a rom com and someone's doing a
horror movie and it's all in the same episode. And
so Nathan is doing like like a Jordan commercial.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
He's like shoes sports.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Just remember the like like the Burgess Jenkins played the coach.
And that was from my hometown from Winston Salem, North Carolina,
went to went to Summit School where I went.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
You guys knew each other back home barely.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Like we went to We went to school together. He
was a little older.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Were you enemies?

Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, but my brother created my brother, Jonathan Moss did
like Burgess teacher still teaches acting and Winston Salem and stuff,
and and was got some kind of higher profile roles
than some of the ones that I started off getting.
And my brother like would try to create this rivalry.
He's like, you hear what Burgess Jenkins has done? Yeah,

(35:56):
we're going he'd lived. We went to this Eastern party
at a friend house and old family friends. He's like,
you know who lives next door? He's like Burgess Jinkins,
He's gonna go have a word with him. If this
is in our adulthood of stops.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Please do have you guys seen each other at conventions?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Since no, no, he doesn't come.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
We need to negotiate that.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
We need to make that happen because I love a
hometown rivalry.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, I can't fight him. He's much bigger than I.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Well, Patton Oswald and I are from the same town,
and I'm gonna kick his ass.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
So all right, I'll fight Burgess if you fight Patton.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
We should have like a cage match in just hometown
fights like Supermarket parking lot and the Kroger.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah, but you're only allowed to open handed slap, like
no punching.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good rule.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Fights. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
God, this is going to be the best convention ever.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
We adore you, thank you, thank you for giving us
your morning.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
We love absolutely what a joint.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's sweet man, sweet sweet man.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
He's a good time. The last convention I was at,
I always end up in like a booth with Collins somewhere,
and we like the pictures that show up the next
day are just like what were we talking about?

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Because the giggle fits, like the sweats and the giggle fits.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And just yeah, yeah, he's a good person to stay
up and just like talk with till two o'clock in
the morning.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Oh, I love that. I was on set. I got
home at six point thirty.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
This morning because we're on Avery nights.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
And we hit that point around three.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Am where.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Two of our actors were outside like doing something really serious.
We were all trying to be quiet upstairs in this
like remote cabin house no and me and my sweet coworker,
Amaya's mom made eye contact and we both just started
choking on our laughter.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
And then all the kids are done.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
We were rolling on the floor just like crying tears.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Laughing, and I was like, oh my god, and it.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
Really reminded me of like our overnights in Wilmington.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Well, when we shot at the cabin, remember we would
get in trouble for that. Paul director was so mad.
We were like, God, knock it off. Giggle fits all right,
So walk me through these seven pages of notes, because
I know that you did your homework, and I want
to honor your homework well, and.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
I know you want to avoid talking about this episode
because it's emotional.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
And it's it's you know what it is. It's and
it was nice to have culin here to kind of
like soften it because I don't want to ruin it
for the fan base and be like, this is the
bullshit that happened.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
You know, all of season six.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
But I can look at it as a forty one
year old woman and be like, that is a twenty
six year old who's having to deliver some really serious
subject matter for any woman at home. Like, we're also
carrying the weight of experience. So anyone who's watching the
show who's dealt with pregnancy loss or fertility problems, or

(39:17):
death or like the loss of a mother.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
I mean, we know how heavy it is toss so many.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Problems into that, and so you have to deliver a
performance that's respectful.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I couldn't phone it in.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Meanwhile, I've got a grown ass man being an idiot,
and you and I can't We can't look at each
other without bursting into tears. Oh my god, Sophia, this
whole episode, every time you and I made eye contact,
it was.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Like, you just don't do it, don't do it, don't
you do it. I know we started.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
I remember starting to add that in because it was
like they were just like, please stop crying, and we
were like, but we can't. Yeah, because it is that
thing like.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
It.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
I felt that that sort of visceral sense.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Memory watching it same because.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
You know, for me playing Brook, she's like, my best
friend can't leave, and I'm sitting there going, you're not
really gonna leave, right, like they are fighting with us
because you.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Know, again, it's been a long time.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
And one of the things that really bothers me about
any drama that ever went down on our show is
we've all grown up. We ride really hard for each other.
Oh yeah, you know. It really is that sort of
family dynamic of like I might have been mad at
this person or that person, or you might have been
mad at this person or that person for something, but
like we can talk about it. Nobody else is ever

(40:37):
allowed to talk about anybody or will come.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
For them, you know.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Yeah, And I want to be respectful of the fact that,
like people are very.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Different than they were then.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Oh my god, we're all like totally grown up. And
I think now, you know, Hillary Burton at forty one
years old is on a job and they say, babe.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Ride's over right.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I don't care because I've got a husband and kids
in a life. But when you're twenty six, the job
is your life. And it felt so fadal.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
Yes, but I also want to go ahead and say, like,
you're you're being a big person. I know, I know
we're all trying to do that, but it's not just
because you have a life, and it's not just because
we were younger and knew less then. It's also because
what happened was just really dumb and it was very
hard to have a plan amongst us and have that

(41:32):
plan be betrayed. Yeah, like that was really hard and
really hurtful, and to watch people.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Be casualties of it.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
The surrealism of this episode was like, oh my god,
our characters are what ifing and we're really what ifing.
And one of the things I will say, like, looking back,
I'm really proud of us. I'm really proud of the
way we showed up. I'm really out of you. I'm
proud of the way you performed in this episode. And like,

(42:04):
it wasn't lost on me that there was this really
beautiful parallel and we talked about it with Colin for
a second, with the boys in the garage, with James
and Chad leaning on that comet and having this talk
and James and one of the things I loved about
what he did is you know, Chad shared the heaviness

(42:24):
and James went whoa and just let it hit him
and sat there and they didn't really talk for a minute,
and it felt real. The double entendre was really clear,
and you and I were having the same experience, like
the chemistry between.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
Us and the emotion in that dress.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Fitting scene for your baby shower. I was like, Oh,
that's that's just us, Like we're doing a dialogue, but
that's us, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Trying to cope with this. And we were twenty six,
like we were kids. This was wild.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
We did have a boss who would come on set
and scream at us, and the workplace is just not
supposed to be like that. And the thing I'm proud
that we took away is the way we show up
for each other, the way we show up for our crews, Like,
you know, we did this crazy overnight last night, and
I love everybody I'm working with on this movie, and

(43:23):
you know, there were conversations about like, well, we might
have to force everybody tomorrow, and you know, Sophia, you're
number one on the call sheet and are you willing
to do it? And I was like, I don't do
forced calls without pulling my department heads and everybody was
like what, And I was like, I.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Don't do that.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
I want to hear from the crew. If it helps
them to come in early tomorrow, I'll suck it.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Up and do it.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
And if it doesn't, I absolutely will refuse because I'm
now in a position of power where I can do that.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, And like you and I learned to show up.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
For our people because of the way nobody can showed.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Up for us.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
And I'm proud of of like a bad sorry, I'm
really proud of like what we learned to make out
of this.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
And watching this.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Episode last night and like sobbing onto my sides and
taking seven pages of notes, I was like, thank fucking god, Daphne.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Is so funny as Victoria.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Like I really needed the levity because I just cried
at every other scene.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
But like, yeah, I don't know the.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
The weird way that our lives and our storylines often
were blurred on our show, Yeah it is special, and yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
This just made me really proud.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Well, because they ripped everything away from you in this episode,
because not only is it like okay, oh my best
friend is going to die, it's now this little actress
that I have been really forming a bond with over
the last has it been.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Year two years?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I mean it's been a long time, and she's Lee
and Austin.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Who your character had been working with, is gone.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And just the level of loss, it's not just storyline,
like when you lose a character, the actor behind it
also loses a friend and a confidant and like a teammate,
and there's real grief and loss there. And so we're
teasing the Peyton loss, but the Sam loss is happening
in real time. And watching Ashley and you cry together

(45:27):
made me feel bad that you had so many layers
of loss in this episode. I'm like, this chit can't
get up off the mat, like let her up, let
me up, please, there's no light at the end of
the tunnel for book Davis.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
Yeah, and I will say, like what a testament to
Daphne right, because she is so heartfelt and heartbreaking and
manages to be so funny, Like I made a note
and I was like I die over her being like, well,
don't hate me, because I'm resourceful background checking this woman and.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
We should we should.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
Sue about this scary or her credits for all of it,
like and and you know, the moment of like you
are trying to shop with me, you know, it's I
loved it because we loved that, you know, a few
episodes ago. There's so much great humor, and I actually
think that's what eviscerates you more in the end, when

(46:22):
when I'm sobbing into my drawings of Sam and she
is like she's been crying and she's trying to be
there for me, It's like, oh man, this is this
is really rocking everybody's world. And it was like even
for me, the parallel of Sam reminding me so much

(46:42):
of Peyton and like me me putting that little anarchy
symbol on her bag, like that was for.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
You, you know, and.

Speaker 6 (46:53):
Like I know the fans know that, like I know
that they get the Easter egg, but I was just
like that was for me.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
That was big you to our boss.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
I was like, oh you want me to be upset,
I'm gonna I'm gonna put it right on screen.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
And it was like, I don't know, this was.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
Just this episode was big and it was heavy. Yeah,
but it's another one that reminds me where I'm like, oh,
I know why everybody always says that the female friendships
were the love story.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, dude, we'd I mean, in these moments, we didn't
give a shit about the boys, you know, like you're
like Julian who, I'm like, I don't know, Lucas is
in the homage, Like.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
I don't It's whatever, They're somewhere, they're here. I just
want to have a wedding.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
God. It was so fun to see how proud Daphne
slash Victoria was of you, Like watching her watch you.
It's obviously, you know, the character's Victoria is recognizing something
in her daughter that she'd somehow missed that everyone else
can say but she had somehow missed. But I'm watching

(47:57):
Daphne the actor also be like like, go, baby, go,
you're doing it. You know, Brook's the moral compass of
the show, and it's a lot of weight. It's a
lot of weight to have to carry, and you know,
I don't like that you We're gonna have to carry

(48:18):
more of it as Peyton left. But I also the
same way Peyton's like, yeah, you'll take care of my baby.
That's kind of how I felt like tree Hill was
a baby to me, And I was like it's gonna
be fine, Like, I know you guys have this.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
It's fine.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Yeah, I mean it's not.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
But I think you know to your point what you
were saying to Colin earlier, like the distance is pretty
profound because.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
You look back and you're like.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
Man, no matter what was happening, Like we did really
good work. We made people feel seen, like this episode
is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I've had some days of work where I'm like, oh,
I cannot muster up any Fox right now, Like I
got the kids stuff, I gotta Warriort, Like I just
really struggling. And I go back and I watch twenty
six year old US like deal with Insanity, and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Oh, well maybe we yeah, we can handle that, big deal,
big whoop.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I is Hailey the only person that doesn't know at
this point that Peyton's gonna die.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Haley and Mia are just like what, I don't what
what do we miss?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Well?

Speaker 6 (49:33):
No, because remember they come over, they bring in whenever
that was a few episodes ago. Last episode, they bring
the recording studio to you, and Haley's like Brook told
me everything. Oh really yeah, And it's so weird because
you guys don't talk about it, no, and they kind
of pretend they don't know, but I guess I don't

(49:54):
know because you know, our our boss loved to read
the message boards and people were probably like, hello, why
is everyone else acting like this is normal? So they
did this like throwaway line between Haley and Peyton in
like the bedroom at Lucas's house.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
But I'm like, wa, I'd almost.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Rather she didn't know at all, because why why.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Are we talking about it?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
It's so bizarre.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, she sees the death box in the garage. Listen,
She's gonna be fine, Peyton's gonna be fine. She's gonna
be fine. I like that someone's compartmentalizing. That's an important
thing to have in a friend group. Is the one
person that's like, guys, seck it up, we're fine.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
Well, anyway, Mia in this episode does the thing that
you're always great at, which is like, absolutely not, We're
not doing this anymore. You'll crack a joke, and she
does it with her elf camera because we didn't have
iPhones yet, and she's like, everybody.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Smile, no crying for the picture.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
A number of selfies in this episode, because it starts
with the selfie of Millie sending it yes to mouth
was kind of an awkward selfie because we didn't do
those back then.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
We didn't have the forward facing camera.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Flip phone.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, we didn't have that, so you couldn't see what
you looked like until you flipped the phone back around
and saw your grainy little screen.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Loving it, loving it well. I love that Nathan is
keeping basketball alive on the show.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I love that he and Haley are just steady soundboards
for everybody else who's a freaking nightmare. I love that
Peyton is really utilizing all the technology at our disposal
in order for us to get ad sales, Like what
do we think we got from like the camcorder and
like the iPod touch or whatever.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
That so funny.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
By the way, one hundred Songs to Save Your Life
is the name of the playlist that our boss put
on that iPod he gave me after the maxim shoot. No,
so even that was like A.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
I was like, oh, I love that title.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
No, we don't. We don't love that title.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
Well you know what I will say too, Speaking of
like when you need levity, I am so a They're
just so fun to watch, but be I'm so thankful
for the levity of Alison and antoine storyline.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Miss Lauren and Skills.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Are so fun to watch together, and a kid being
their foil is such a good choice. It's like, I
think that's part of what I really like about this
period in time, if I if I take myself out
of the reality of behind the scenes, I like that
brooks whole storyline is intergenerational female family relationships.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Yeah, romantic.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
I like that Lauren and Skills are falling for each
other and the whole thing surrounds like her being this
teacher so clearly she cares about kids and him wanting
to be a dad, and then this, you know, nightmare Boy,
Like it's it's like these atypical love stories. Yeah, and

(53:05):
I really really I appreciate a lot of that, and
I think that they they managed to put humor into
an episode that could have just been so second all around,
and James made it work as the director, Like, yeah,
it flows. It doesn't feel like these are two different movies.

(53:27):
It just feels like everybody's going through different things in
their life.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
There was a soft touch to.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
The issue of how it is though.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's like in our group of friends, one of us
is thriving and one of us is dying at any
given point, and that's just how it goes. And miss
Lauren is such a welcome addition to our show. I
don't think I remember. I didn't remember how spunky and
like spicy she was. Yeah, and I love that she's
this teacher that has kind of a wicked sense of

(53:57):
humor and is not afraid to be frisky and this
shit gets it.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Yeah, I like it refreshing.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
So all of that just felt I don't know, it
just felt so great.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Ooh.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
And speaking of these sort of parental relationships, like in
the way that you see these parallels with Nathan and
Lucas and Brook and Peyton, I really like that when
Brooke is also dealing with Victoria.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Yeah, you in your time.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Capsule for the baby are calling up your history with
your own dad and your own parents, and the Peyton
and Larry parallel to Peyton and Lucas's kid and Lucas, Like,
I don't know, there was just a lot that felt
really just felt really special.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
It was a well written episode.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
When Peyton is telling her child, Hey, I need you
to be kind to your parent, I need you to
be patient with your parents. Please love him for me,
there's a part of that where it's like, is Brooke
looking at her mom in a different light?

Speaker 4 (55:09):
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Is it like, do I need to be kinder to
this person? And you know, acknowledge that she's putting so
much effort in I.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Don't know what it's for.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I don't know what her motive is, but like, is
kindness the way.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
Are you going to make space for people to change?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (55:27):
My god, kids don't know how much power they have
over us. They have no idea.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
I would love to know.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Because Bill Brown wrote this episode and it is so
well done, part of me wants to be like, dude,
what what phase of life were you in?

Speaker 5 (55:41):
What was going on in your life?

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Was he already able to do this?

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I mean, I'm sure he was more mature than we were. Yeah.
Really good episode, God.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Really really good episode.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
For all the shit that went on behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
I just want to make it very clear that I
loved this episode for what I got to do with you,
for what I got to do with Chad, for what
I got to see you know everybody else do in
their scenes, like being able to be a grown up
and say that I love the product. I didn't love
the experience, but I really loved the thing. Yeah, let's

(56:16):
take it a long time.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
But I think on that note, like it's not lost
on me when we look back at our history, like
we all went through a lot of really awful in
our show, and we've protected it, and we've protected a
lot of people because we know that the thing we
made was really magical. And I don't know, I don't

(56:42):
know what I want to say about that other than
I just want to acknowledge it's not lost on me.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I know that's special. What's our honorable mention?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
What's our special honorable mention? In such a big, wild,
weird episode. I'm looking at my notes.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
I mean, I was going to say you first of all,
but I know you'll hate that because you don't like
I don't like. So then I was going to say,
maybe my honorable mention is Daphne trying to shop with me,
because that was that was quite funny and I needed
I needed the humor.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
I have Brooks designs written on here. That meant a lot.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
That was cool, That was really cool. Next episode? Are
we having a wedding? What are we doing next episode?

Speaker 6 (57:37):
I think we are babe forever and.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Almost always, let's go to the lake the party.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Do we have a wheel?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Let's spin a wheel? Now, sure to the lake, Let's
do it? How about whatever the answer is, it's culin
slash junk.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Love it, no, it is. This is actually so perfect.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
This week's most likely, too, is most likely to crash
a wedding?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Haven't we done that with him?

Speaker 6 (58:16):
I mean it's Cullen, Yeah, and Junk would also do it.
And I do think we perhaps may have all done
that a time or two.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Wilmington that what is it? The Hyatt or the Hilton
right there on the river.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Hilton on the river.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You hear a dance party happening, and it's like.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
I can't not go in there.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Guy. You know what.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
I was just reading this article yesterday on Bill Murray
and his like, don't give a.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Magic We're getting there, And one of like the quotes.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
In it from somebody who knows him, was like, oh, yeah,
he'll if he ever sees a wedding, he's crashing.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yeah yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Okay, that's the phase that we're entering right now, is
the wedding crash phase. Watch out, everybody, hold on to
your dinner plates.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
We're coming. We're coming, all right, We'll see you guys
at the wedding. Hey, thanks for listening.

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