September 20, 2021 • 51 mins
Let’s talk Basketball - How much is this sport to blame for causing issues in relationships?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:25):
we just watched episode thirteen, which my brain still trying
to process this episode because like, all sorts of weird
stuff happened and they didn't necessarily tie together so many levels. Yeah,
it's I feel like this was the episode where there
was all this stuff left over on the board in
the writer's room and they were like, Okay, well it's this.
It's the winter finale, We're about to go on hiatus.
(00:47):
Let's just throw all the rest of the stuff into one.
This is the day after Thanksgiving sandwich of episode The
crock Pots. The croc Pots episode It's Hanging by a moment.
It originally aired February tenth, two thousand four. Breakdown is
on their way to drive Karen home from the airport,
Keith and Lucas have a collision with an oncoming vehicle,
(01:10):
leaving Lucas unconscious and fighting for his life. I mean,
that's like the last two seconds of the episode, truly,
like so much other stuff happened. Yeah, so this description
can be a little bit misleading. Um, do we want
to go back to the beginning of the episode. I
really hope you guys are watching along with us because
I like to get into the minutia of this and
I feel like, if you haven't watched it recently, you
(01:31):
want to join. Yeah, yeah, tune in with us. So
how does this one start? Hold on, I gotta go
to my notes. I pulled up my notes, so we
really dive into Dan. We talked. There's a lot of
Camilla whitey Camilla stuff that probably was supposed to be
in the pilot and all that other stuff and never
worked in Well. The thing that's pretty crazy is in
the last episode, Lucas and Peyton had this moment and
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Peyton says, ignore it. You know, it didn't mean anything.
He says it didn't. She says, of course it did,
but we're not doing this, And and this episode opens
up with everyone in the hallways walking between classes, and
when the bell rings in the hallway. Maybe is empty,
maybe it's not. Lucas just kisses Payton in public at school.
I have caught for what twenty years now for being
(02:17):
a bad friend to Brooke, And like, I guess because
I didn't really pay that much attention to the episodes.
Once they were all cut together, I just accepted it
and I'm like, yoh, yeah, Painting's the worst. She's a
bad guy. And now that I'm watching it and I
see how much Lucas is pursuing the situation, I feel vindicated.
I feel better about the situation. They're really switching places
(02:39):
Lucas and Nathan. Yeah, And I mean he even says
it near the end of the episode. It was the
first time that he ever said out loud that he
had started the whole thing by messing with Lucas, because
he had been saying to Haley this whole time, I'm
a good guy. I misunderstood blah blah blah. You know,
he was manipulating a lot of it and never admitted it.
So that was the first time he slipped and said,
(03:00):
you know, so that makes her feel like the whole
relationship is based on a lie. And I'm interested to
see where that goes well, And it's almost like now
that Nathan is finally showing up and stepping up and
being a good guy, it's it's almost like he's comfortable
talking about what a bad guy he used to be,
but it's the first time she's hearing it, and and
(03:21):
he he almost is proud of himself, like a really
good guy. And and it's isn't it ironic that now
Lucas is the bad guy and he doesn't even realize
that he has revealed what his first motivations were. It's
especially hard to stomach too, because Haley just had a
screaming match with Lucas about like what are you talking about?
(03:45):
You know? And he's yelling at her about the whole
Nathan relationship and she's like, this is apples to oranges, dude,
we are not in the same boat and defends Nathan.
So for him to turn around and be like, oh, yeah,
that guy's the worst man. This did start off as
a you know, as a joke. Um is painful. Lots
of revelation. It's probably payback for you leaven him on
(04:07):
the doorstep last episode with your Okay, okay, I'm glad
Hayley finally gave it to lucas somebody had to give
him a smack. That was so good, so good because
you said everything we've been talking about and feeling that
just the way he's behaving in this manipulation in the
two times. And then he goes into a full gaslighting
(04:30):
and tells you, you the honest friend who's told him
that you know, who's really been there and who's who's
been frank about her feelings and all of these things.
He says, you betrayed me. You And it's like, what,
it's so out of line? How many I mean, this
is a there's a level of it that's a normal
human reaction. Our pride goes up when we're in a fight.
(04:51):
We don't want to be wrong. We want to deflect
and put it off on somebody else. Okay, that's everybody
does that in some form or another. Um, there's another
level of it when it legitimate gas lighting and trying
to make the other person feel like they're crazy and
there's nothing wrong, which I think this borders on, Like
this is a little bit beyond just defensiveness. This is
a full turnaround of like let's not talk about me,
let's talk about you instead. And what I think is
(05:14):
wrong with you. Um, And I love that Haley just
didn't have it. She wasn't. She didn't get caught up.
I totally got caught up in those conversations in real
life relationships all the time, UM, when things we get
turned around on me. And I love that Hayley didn't.
She was just I love her. I love her, so
I did when I was younger. Well, honestly, like when
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whenever Peyton was like kind of pursuing Haley as like
be my friend, to be my friend, be my friend,
it always felt like, Okay, well we've got we've got
brooken Lucas and the scene. So we have to find
a way to get these two other actors in another scene.
And so we're going to just smash them together and
we'll see what happens. Haley doing this kind of work
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behind Peyton's back and like hauling Lucas out and saying
this is inappropriate and doing things that a good friend
would do without even then reporting back to Peyton for
a pat on the back. Like that's what real friendships about.
It's about doing the hard stuff and having those uncomfortable
moments for the benefit of someone you care about and
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it's not like Hayley went and knocked on Peyton's door
and was like you kind of having hard you know. Um,
she took it to the person who's responsible because Peyton.
I feel like, and we said this we're watching, I
feel like Peyton would be okay to let this go,
like to just let Brooke and Lucas be a thing,
like we don't need to talk about it. I'm gonna
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go paint in my bedroom and it's gonna be unfun,
but it's gonna be solitary. Yeah, he's the driving force
here and for his best friend to recognize that and
be like whoa whoa wa, Like you're driving this boat.
Let's dock it. Um. Yeah, Haley is a good friend.
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Like it is totally I don't know, validating the Peytons,
like please hang out with me, Please hanging out me,
please sing out with me. It's like she knows innately,
this is the person that I can trust. I love
that we had a lot of Camilla with this one. Now,
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for those of you who have been listening along, you
know that originally this series, uh started out with Whitey
as kind of the main voice over the whole thing,
and he had this wife that he would talk to
all the time, and then at the end of the
pilot you find out that she's not alive. She's I
(07:47):
don't know, I don't remember it was it an actual ghost,
like a woman who was there, but she know, an actress.
It felt like the Wonder Years kind of, you know,
like the narration in it definitely had like a Wonder
Years vibe, and so to lose that narration entirely, you know,
these scenes would take on a very different tone. If like,
(08:07):
while we're smashing faces in the library, you hear Barry
Corbyn's voice, like and then these kids Camilla, it turns
the sexy down a little bit, you know, totally when
it was nice to see a little bit of that
I I you know, even though it felt a bit
haphazard and kind of thrown together, I've still was really
glad to dive into Whitey's own so that he doesn't
(08:31):
just become a caricature of you know, a device of
a person. You know, he really um got to have
his own journey and we got to see his own
emotional experience of being a coach and why he cares
and uh, you know, things that he missed out on
with his wife and how that affects Nathan was really
(08:51):
cool too. How old did they think? Barry was like,
can we just talk about the picture of Camilla because
that's like a woman from the nineteen twenties world of one. Totally.
I'm looking at Barry, He's like, you know, in this
show and they've got a wife that's you know, she's
a flapper. Really funny. Actually, yeah, I don't know if
(09:15):
this was intended or not, but maybe because you know,
we were watching this in order, it kind of felt
like after that big crashing generational you know, dinner of
Nightmares in the last episode that Barry, you know that
coach Whitey was at, I felt like watching all those
families be destroyed by basketball. He was kind of in
(09:38):
this episode taking stock of how basketball became such an
obsession for him that in his mind, he lost out,
he wasted time with his wife, and I kind of
it was a little wobbly, but I saw an arc
there from from last episode to the mid season finale,
(10:00):
and I was like, oh, this is interesting that that
being witnessed to that is giving Whitey this moment where
he's being introspective and and he's letting Nathan in well,
and then you see dev leave Dan at the end
of the episode. It's another marriage ruined by what high
school basketball. High school basketball ruining everyone's life. So so
(10:22):
I do a charity back home with my high school,
we were a huge sports high school. We went to
states and football, like I would say that going like
that experience of cheering on the sidelines, so like the
state competition and like a college campus. It was like
the biggest deal ever. And we were in the Washington
Post every weekend and all our players went to college
and played and it was such a huge experience. Um.
(10:46):
And then three years ago, my my high school has
become a title in high school that doesn't have resources anymore.
You know, it's largely low income and kids that you know,
apply for three meals a day. Um. And so the
varsity football team didn't exist, like only like sixteen kids
came out because no one had pleats, no one had equipment,
(11:06):
no one good four camps. You know, there's a lot
that goes into it. And so we started this you know,
Project Patriot, where we supply resources so that kids can
do extracurricular activities. And just this last week, our high
school won its first home game in five years. Wow,
Oh my gosh, congratulations Patriots. I don't even know who
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we were playing. It doesn't matter, you know, like it
it's been this really cool thing to work on together
with like old alumni. Shout out to Ashley Gawson and
Tony Kano. But because Tony listens to this, He's a
boy who listens to our drum queens. Hi, Hi, Tony.
So I can see the good side of high school sports.
(11:51):
I can see that camaraderie and that joy that it
brings to the community and the structure and the work ethic. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's like we made fun of the toxic parents
when we were in school, you know, like you could
tell who his dad was an asshole, and and so
I relish the chance in this show to get back
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to like what that good stuff is because I know
we get there eventually with like the state championship and
stuff like that. But it seems like for these first
thirteen episodes, it's just been like bad, bad, bad drugs,
you know, drugs, fighting, you know, doing dumb stuff on
the court, tearing your family of heart, and that's not it.
Like high school sports can be awesome. Did you, Sophia,
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did you have sports at the girls school? You're like
field hockey, like where girls do lacrosse. Now, we didn't
have that. I mean we had I know there. I
think there was a tennis team. I know we had
a soccer team. I don't know. I played volleyball in yeah,
and junior high. But then I started doing theater and
(12:58):
then I was like, see you, and I was just
doing doing plays and you know, teching shows and stuff.
I completely fell out of any of the world of
athletics once I started getting really into doing plays. So
it's funny because I don't. I don't. I didn't have
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an experience of sports at our high school, and I
think that was actually part of when I was applying
to colleges. I really couldn't decide. I was like, do
I want to go to n y U or do
I want to go to USC. Oh my god, girl,
you went from zero to A and I was like,
I want to have that experience enjoy Like even when
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you talk about Hailey, you know, trying to figure out
who she is, Like for me, it felt like trying
on a new costume. I was like, Okay, I did
the really academic uh nerdy all girls school theater kid
costume and now I'm going to go do the big
huge football games and paint our faces and like Queen World,
(14:03):
like that whole world was a costume, and like you know,
I was trying to figure out, like where on the
ends of these spectrums, where where do I fit? What's
my natural kind of post? And I really feel like
that took me until I was like thirty. You were
into sports, like I see it, Like any time we
had like like super Bowls and things like that, you
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were kind of at the nexus of those get togethers.
I just love a Hey, I love any excuse to
throw a party. So if it's like I'm gonna host
the Thanksgiving party with like all our friends and family,
or if I'm gonna Super Bowl, to me, I'm like,
this is an excuse to watch really generally really creative commercials.
I'm like, I don't care so much about the game,
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but you can get forty people in a house and
have good food. So I'm I'm I am a psychotic
soccer fan, Like I'm a person during the World Cup
will wake up at four am to watch the women's
national team play, Like I'm a lunatic about you're an
owner now right a soccer team? So crazy? I can't.
(15:07):
I keep looking around being like, who's grown up here?
And I realized it's me. That's fun so great, Joy
you you had to actually do some sports action in
this episode. Are you were you faking it? Can you
throw a ball? Yeah? No? I'm pretty athletic. I always
was when I was a kid. I I am not.
(15:29):
I had a harder time with team sports, just coordinating
with other people. And it was more of the mental
um mental agility with team sports because I was so
easily discouraged if I didn't get something right, and you know,
people would would be like come on, joy or whatever.
It crushed me. I was not. It wasn't easy for
(15:51):
me to bounce back from that. So I knew I
was really good at theater and so that was my
sport because that, like I didn't have to deal with
people telling me bad I was at it like team sports.
I mean my really only interaction with team sports. I
think I joined a soccer team for a minute, but
then I got to play and I was like, I'll
see you guys later, And then I think I did
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like kickball and handball and hockey and jim at school,
and I felt comfortable with it. It was just that
I didn't know how to interact with other people on
a team with passing the ball or knowing all the
rules and everything. So I'm really good with like a
single person. I kickbox, I can do tennis really well.
I'm good at you know, I can play basketball like
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one on one or whatever. But team sports were just
hard for me. Um. Yeah, So as the oldest kid,
you know, I to have to watch my brothers growing up,
and so I was always like, oh my god, you won,
Like I'm so groomed to let the other person win, right.
That's funny when I think that's why I liked watching sports,
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because it was almost like, I don't know, voyeurism. It's like,
oh my god, look at those people who want this
so bad. That's so crazy. You. I don't even remember
shooting this though. The free throw stuff. Uh. There. There
was that that one scene on the court when Nathan
(17:16):
comes out and he's trying to teach me, not at
his house but out on the river court, and we
were frozen. You can tell because what we're both talking
at our lips in your face doesn't know exactly we're
out there. So you couldn't lift your arms because I
was in twelve layers. So what you wear like silks
on the bottom layer, right, So silks are which they
(17:39):
don't make anymore. Now if you ask someone for silks,
they're like, what did you know this? Yes, I've because
I've been shooting in Canadas so much then i've it's
gotten to a point now where okay, so silks used
to be made from silk, which was uh in a
particular type of like elastic silk that was a thermal
layer under your clothes so even in in the cold,
(18:00):
it would really trap in the heat very well. But
I guess, um there's like a silkworm shortage or something,
so it's really hard to find. You have to find
like vintage silk. So now they have which accomplished the
same job a little bit less. Well, well, look, I'm
going to start a silkworm farm up in mr Farm.
(18:22):
Now the joy is pointed out the void I had
a lot of layers on. It was that and then
the you know, whatever goes over it, and then the
T shirt and then the long sleeve T shirt and
then the um quarter scarf. And quarter. Oh yeah, let's
talk about layers. Sophia has tripled down on the unsexy.
Watch me a turtleneck and I'm gonna wear a scarf
(18:47):
over said turtleneck. Tigger scarf? Oh my god, are you
doing the way the post song killed me while we
watched this episode? Um yeah that. You know, there's something
so funny about it because I look so goofy in
that little outfit. And it's it's so sweet because this
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guirl just is leaning in and telling her best friend
she's falling for this boy, and and starting to tell
this boy about how she feels. It's like that scene
where Brooke and Lucas go for the walk in sud
scarf when they have hot chocolates, Like, she can't even
keep it in, you know, it's falling out of her mouth.
And then she diverts and says she's talking about Karen
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and Keith, and it's just, oh, it's heartbreaking. If Brooke
is the real life Tigger of this show and Payton
is clearly the ere, what is Haley Haley? I don't know,
it's Haley pooh or Piglet, probably Piglet, yeah that or
the rabbit you're the rabbit. That's like, you guys are
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so stupid, you're making a fret. I forgot about the rabbit.
So that's actually perfect, so perfect. No Pooh, who's walking
around like an old dummy? Who's the Pooh? Is it? Keith?
He's so to drink he goes. He's so sweet. I mean,
(20:12):
what an episode for Keith, you know, reminding us that
Karen kissed him at the airport and he said it
wasn't just a friendly goodbye kiss, it was a kiss kiss.
And and you know, Karen's been gone at cooking school
in Italy for six weeks because Moira was off having
a baby, and she's finally coming back and he can't
wait to kiss her again, and it's taking Lucas and
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and he has this whole conversation with Lucas about no
matter what happens in you know, Keith and Karen's relationship
will always be there for him. And they exchange I
love yous and it's so sweet. And Keith gets distracted
by Dan, who he's just had this terrible interaction with,
and he does that thing which I think we've all
(20:55):
I mean, how close have you come to doing that
when you're out of light and it turns green in
and you're like, oh no, my my left arrow is red.
I don't go, but you start to and then you
stop all the time and it's that moment where you
really go, oh god, it could have been me. But
the question was how many drinks did he have that
you don't know? I mean, I guess we'll find out
(21:18):
when we come back. We saw one beer. But but
if he's it's three hours out and he's having a
beer three hours before he goes together more the story,
kids don't do that. Drink and drive. Just don't drink
and drive. It's not worth it. Yeah, And I'm pretty
cool for Dan to be there and and you know,
(21:41):
being there to rip the door off the car and
pull Lucas out and have to say, because it's a
life of death situation, he's my son. Um. That was
a pretty selfless moment, even if you could call the
heroics of pulling him out of the car selfish, because
on some level I'm sure that made Dan feel great. Um,
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but being in the hospital, he didn't gain anything by
saying I'm his father. There's also something so interesting to
me about how a catastrophic event can immediately make you
drop all your bs, all your nonsense, everything that you've
been storing up and thinking, and you realize none of
it's real. All it's important are the people who you
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care about. And it's like in that moment when those
when when Keith and Lucas get hit, Dan sees it
and none of the other nonsense that people fight about
matters anymore. He he's there, he's present, and it it
felt like a sort of singularity point for his character
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and he had to drop all the pretense and just
tell the truth. And that was wild. Well, and you
said what you just said, the people you care about.
And up until this point Dan has been adamant I
don't care about Lucas, I don't care about Keith. And
Deb's just like caught him with beach Horror. When we
(23:10):
heard the term beach horror used in this episode, we
all gasped and we're like, that's our next pilot, Like
that's the beaches. Um, beach Hore had a great episode. Um,
but Deb just gave Dan like a look that is
heartbreaking and so beyond anger. Was like, fine, this is
(23:35):
it was? And it was also everything I saw in
her look was I knew I know you're an ass.
I know you're stubborn and you're selfish, and you broke
in and you have all these problems I have. I've
known it's difficult. I'm working through it. But I didn't
know you were a cheater. And that's what like shuts
(23:57):
everything down for her, Like I was willing to put
up with so much, but this, no, this is black
and white. You know, this is clear cut. And so
I wonder if that total like being alone situation is
what put Dan in the headspace to show up for
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It's like, well, I don't have anybody else, Like I
don't know my son, I don't have my wife, Like
my son wanted to hang out his girlfriend, you know,
like these fringe relatives are the only people that he
has left. And then what else happened? I mean, I'm
still stuck on beach Horse. That's the most exciting for me. Honestly,
I made two notes this whole episode because I was
(24:38):
so just like watching it and it's Haley yelling at
Lucas and beach Horse. Those are my tuna. I love that. Actually,
let's talk about music, though, because this episode had two
songs that I super loved, Tegan and Sarah song Don't Confess,
Don't Confess y'all. I used to drive around in my
car listening to that Tegan and Sarah album on repeat,
(25:00):
just weeping, and every time I every time I hear
it now I think of like the live oak trees
with the moss hanging down on Market Street and Will
just driving up and down that strip listening to that
whole album, the on the nose of it all with
the don't Confess. Oh, but it was so good, especially
(25:21):
because Brooks having this moment and she's like, I want
to remember this forever, and it's it was so well shot.
Whoever directed this having you look at the stereo so
that you could say, don't confess, and both of our
faces were on camera and your face was turned away
from Chef's kiss beautiful. It also was a sign from
(25:43):
the universe. I believe in signs from the universe constantly.
Have you ever had a sign from the universe in
real life where you're like, oh, I shouldn't tell my
best friend that I'm kissing everybody convenience? Also the genius
of Peyton going to Haley and then Haley saying it's
(26:04):
not like Lucas was dating Nathan, God, do you think
that Haley knows what she's saying? Not in that moment? No,
I don't think so. Haley is the smartest character, do
you know what I mean? Now, I would have read
it differently. I think the way that I chose to
play it was just distracted and oblivious. But I think
(26:26):
now in context, I definitely think them A more interesting
choice would have been for her to say it that way,
and I wish I would have. I thought it was
a loving way for Haley to get that point across
of like you don't you don't want us like being
your friend, and I'm going to say it in a
way that is gentle for you. That's much more interesting.
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I wish I would have made that choice. That's how
I took it. I have to say I kind of
saw it in the middle. I felt like, when you
said what's this about? Or what's going on? Whatever you
say to Peyton, and then Hillary your responses, oh, it's
a friend of a friend's stuff. I felt like Haley
was like, what's going on? And then you're like, no, no,
(27:09):
it's not about me. I just you know, I need
help to advise someone else. And then I almost felt
like you kind of got lost in telling your own
story and then you crack a joke in this way
that was sort of irreverence and that that lands so
hard for me as an audience member. I saw that
like sucker punch. Peyton and Hayley was just like, I'm
(27:30):
giving great advice in this moment, and I was like,
oh God, everything is bad everywhere. Everything is bad everywhere.
At a certain point, I need to like somebody get
their knee off my neck, you know, just because it
feels like every episode. I think that's the that's the
title of the of our podcast episode today, Everything is
bad everywhere? Do you guys also clocked that Shin song too.
(27:52):
I had to look it up again because I love
that song. Oh remember over the ramparts you tossed the
scent of your skin and some foreign flowers? Do you
remember this? Tied to a brick? Sweet as a song.
The years have been short, but the days were long,
you know this song? It was like good right huge
in two thousand four, I mean, the Shins were major,
(28:15):
major friend of mine. A baby onesie with the Shin's
album art on when they had a kid like God, Yeah,
they were happening we were getting like bigger and bigger
bands on our show. We were okay, hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
(28:36):
we are going to have a Milo vent Amelia on
the podcast today and we are dropping the episode immediately.
We are very excited to have him. He's a he's
an old and dear friend, and he gave us. He
gave us some time, which is he doesn't have any time,
but he gave us some time, and we really really
really appreciate it. So we're gonna do this interview with Milo, uh,
(28:58):
and we're gonna drop it immediately as soon as we
can get it all cobbled together. This cracked team I
have and we're just very very excited about it. So anyway,
listen to my podcast I Am All In right now
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listen to podcasts. All right, you want to do a
fan question? Um, yeah, let's do a fan question. Nicole
(29:21):
is asking about the filming locations. She wants to know
was the show filmed in actual houses or built sets? Yes,
let's talk about that. Both Hayley's bedroom set, Hayley's house,
exterior house, neighborhood house. I think all of our homes.
The exteriors were actual homes, and all the interiors were well,
(29:44):
I well know, Nathan's house we were on We were
in there, Nathan's house, We were inside that those people's houses.
Peyton's bedroom was on set because we spent so much
time there, but the entire downstairs and obviously like the
exterior of the house were a real house that was
right across the street from Hayley's house, which is not
something you know, people who go on the tour and
(30:05):
want me to know that. But we were the girls
from the rough side of the tracks, um, which I
think they should have played that up more. You know,
I think that would have been really cool because what
we liked in the last episode as you turn around
at Peyton's house and you see the house across the
street and there's like weeds up to the second story.
You know, like nobody tried to make it look posh
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or pretty. Woul might have been cool if like Haley
and Peyton actually were like on the same street and
kind of always saw each other and ignored each other
or whatever, and started to well, did you have people
like that in real life growing up? Because I definitely did. Yeah,
for sure. I mean, I remember singing a song to
our German shepherd in the backyard and like looking up
(30:49):
and seeing all like the hot middle school dudes walk
by and being like, oh, but yeah, proximity was our
built in with our locations. I don't know why we
never played that Lucas's house was this was a house
to the downstairs. His bedroom was on stage. What about
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how much of Brooks. Oh, we didn't see Brooks House.
I was like, Felix, we don't see Brooks house. Gosh,
until we get later into the season there's a big
scandal and you go into Brooks bedroom for the first time,
but there's no house. I don't think Brooke got a
house until season two. But saying the exterior um was
(31:33):
a real place, and then we would use some of
the downstairs rooms, but then my bedroom was always on
the side. Anywhere that we were going to be with
any regularity, aside from the big Dan Scott house, they
would build on stage because it was just too hard
to deal with when you could be in the houses,
(31:54):
you know, getting the folks who lived there out in
comfortable and such a process. Yeah, it's really hectic for people.
So so they liked building sets so that we could
kind of make our own schedules. Well, so for Peyton's house,
in the midst of our shooting, the house sold right
so there was no guarantee that they were going to
(32:16):
let us keep filming there. And the young family that
moved in was John Jeremiah Sullivan, who is a really
accomplished writer. He's a writer for g Q and I
think form like Rolling Stone, a bunch of books. Um
cool guy, and so I ended up kind of making
friends with them, and I stayed in touch with him
and his family. Their daughter was born, like like, they
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moved in when his wife was pregnant. Their daughter was
born right after we, you know, signed our agreement with them,
and they were like, oh, we get to go stay
in the river View Sweets for a couple of days
here and there and make some money and it pays
our mortgage. What they didn't realize is that, like our
set dressing wallpapered the house the way we wanted it,
not the way they wanted it. But they only went
halfway up this airs. So for like years they had
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to live with the halfway wallpaper, which doesn't sound bad
at first, and then you're like six months into your
house and you're like, I'm kind of um, he wrote
an article about it. I was gonna ask I remember
that article kind of broke my heart. I really felt
for them. It was a painful situation. And so as
their daughter got older, she grew up with people in
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their front yard and on their steps. And then when
she was old enough to watch this television show that
you know, she's she might be in college now or
either she's like in late high school or college now. Um,
she watches the show and in the later seasons when
we get to the Psycho Deeric stuff in the basement
for her to watch all of that, like trauma happened
(33:43):
and what's supposed to be her house was so weird,
so weird. So for any of you who go through
Wilmington's and like go buy the houses and stuff, these
are real people and they're lovely, Like please be so
so so nice to them. You should leave like flowers
and you know, press it's on their doorstep because they've
been Yeah, it does. It does also feel worth repeating.
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I I I love and I know we all love that.
Our show means as much to all of you guys
as it does. It means a lot to us. But Hillary,
you just said the most perfect thing. These are real
people I get like the tours and wanting to take photos.
Please do it from the sidewalk. Please don't just like
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walk onto people's front porches and lean on their front doors.
And like I've seen, I've seen some people who obviously
means so well, but you know, who are kind of
climbing all over these homes. And and when when the
writer you're referring to wrote this piece, he talked about
how terrifying it would be for his little girl to
(34:50):
just have like strangers peeking in the front windows and
outside her front door. Did they try and sell the
house and then couldn't because it was a TV show houses?
That what happened. That's what happened to the people who
own Lucas and Karen's. Oh that's right, they couldn't sell
the house because there's always people climbing all over it.
So I think it would be really loving if we
(35:10):
as a community, as this great big one Tree Hill
family could kind of try to set a boundary and say,
if you're going to go visit the homes, take pictures
from the sidewalk. If you happen to meet the person
who lives there, and and they say, oh today, you're
welcome to whatever. Take their lead, but just don't like,
don't go climb on people's porches, and you know, by
(35:34):
just treat loving and remember that, like if you were
in your house and suddenly, oh my god, peeking in
your front window, you'd probably be pretty freaked out. So
so let's let's all lovingly. Yeah. I mean, people are
really lucky they didn't get shot because it's it's a
south And also, like, soody's walking on my property, I
(35:55):
gotta be begun. If you're looking at my window, believe me,
I'm shooting your eye out. Started. You can't go to
someone's house without bringing a trinket or a casserole or
like a thing. And so I don't know, maybe we
need to have a toll, you know, like either you
need to bring a bouquet of flowers or some seashells
(36:17):
or some candles, bottle of champagne. Something we should ask.
We should ask the people who live in each house
what their favorite thing is, and then we'll publish a
guide of like you have to pay to go. We're
gonna do a told just just for energetic niceness because
because truly, these families they have put up with God
(36:39):
so much over the years, and they are so kind.
And I think that, you know, Jeremiah being so honest
about the stuff that so many people probably never considered,
really opened my eyes and our eyes and anyway, loving boundaries,
everyone loving you? Or what's the next question? Okay? Um,
(36:59):
what was something your characters went through or did that
made you see your character in a new light and
maybe even had a new admiration for um? Should we
just stick to what we've seen so far in the
in the first twelve that's smart? Yeah, go Joy? Well,
I think what what I've been noticing? Um, As I
just said, I love Haley so much more now than
(37:21):
I did back then. I think she was just all
the character of her was all tangled up with my
young confusion of what who I wanted to be and
what I wanted life to be, and how I wanted
to play the character and what I thought was uh
important to portray all those kinds of things like responsibilities
to younger women and all that stuff. So now looking
(37:43):
back at Haley, I love that she was just so
ballsy and brave, and um, I think I always felt
I always felt really insecure, and then sometimes I would
overcompensate that by being really stubborn because I didn't know
who I could trust. So I just felt like, oh,
I can't trust anybody, so I just I'm going to
(38:04):
dig my heels in um. And So what I love
about watching Haley now is that somehow I managed to
let my insecurities go to be her and and I
just love how brave she was and um willing to
contribute to the conversation and confident in her own skin
and all the things that all the best parts of
(38:25):
her make me really proud of her. Haley is so
incredibly likable, and everyone's being loathsome in different ways, and
Haley is just like the voice of integrity. Yeah, and
it's also really I have to say, it's so fun
for me to watch. I mean, to watch all of
this with the two of you is such a dream.
(38:47):
So thanks again to the fans for tuning in. But
but like I don't know, I remember at the time
how hard it was. Is just like twenty one year
old girls as our characters, as Brooke and Peyton were,
you know, on either end of this big secret and
this big betrayal. In this love triangle, people were really
(39:08):
mean to me into Hillary kind of in defense of
each other's characters, and it was really are, well, yeah,
but now now we're we're grown ladies and we don't
give it. But at the time, I was really like
I didn't know what to do about it. And now
I'm like, you know, that's cute that you think you
could love her more than I do. L O l um.
(39:31):
But it's actually really cool because I realized how insecure
and and kind of like bullied I felt as a
young girl doing this show. Now, like I don't know,
I was so in the brook and Peyton of it all.
I'm I'm loving watching Haley. I'm like, dude, I forgot,
(39:53):
Like there's just things I forgot, and to see her
be so true blue have such a clear sense of
right and wrong. I think for so long, especially young women,
we get encouraged to be like, yeah, but what was
he feeling? You know, why do you think he might
have done that bad thing? And yeah, there was a
there was a lot of like justify for love nonsense,
(40:15):
and Haley was like, we're not justifying anything, And so
now I'm watching her just being like this is the
friend we all deserved. Yeah, she's handling. And now the
question is specifically did the characters go through something. I mean,
like I said, again, it's just watching the progression of
all the circumstances that are happening and seeing how, you know,
(40:35):
we're handling everything. But I think just Haley blossoming in
this relationship with Nathan and being more comfortable in her
own skin and discovering who she is and what she likes,
and it's really fun to watch. What about you guys, Well,
I just want to say it makes sense that the
one with the parents and like the family unit is
the one who is navigating the best. Yeah, yeah, it
(40:59):
does yea. I UM. I have struggled with Peyton for
a long time because you know, she was vilified and
I didn't really pay attention to why and it was
just like fine, you know whatever. Um. And there have
been some really sweet kids who listened to the not
kids were all like older now, um, but people who
(41:21):
listen to our podcast and who come online and they're
like just so, you know, like I liked you, so
thank you for that. That's really nice. But seeing a
girl who should probably be in therapy, seeing a girl
who should have an aunt or an uncle or a
grandparent or anybody check in on her, and doesn't watching
(41:45):
her get manipulated by a boy. I never thought to
characterize the relationship that way, because it does end up
becoming the happy ending by the time I left the show, right,
But I think it's a important to acknowledge that when
we're kids and we're sorting out how to have relationships,
and maybe we haven't necessarily had examples of that, there
(42:07):
are going to be mistakes and Lucas is making major
mistakes here. Peyton's paying for it. Brooks going to end
up paying for it. Um. But it never occurred to
me before that it wasn't Peyton's fault. I think I assumed,
like I say, I assumed, but I think Peyton assumed
ownership of the chaos, certainly for me for like eighteen years.
(42:29):
And so to watch it now as an adult, like,
I'm watching it as a third person. It's not me,
you know, the character or the actress. I'm a totally
different human now and I can watch it and be like, oh, bunny,
funny a person you know you need an older lady
to brush your hair and say, oh no, no, no,
(42:51):
So that's I mean, that's the thing that watching back
for me, I just feel this kind of relief of like, oh,
it wasn't her fault. That's yeah, that's a relief. Well
you yeah, I love that. It's interesting, you know. I
I have liked in these first thirteen episodes seeing Brooke
(43:16):
put the defense down, the like how hard she pushes
to be like charming or sexy or say the thing
that's going to get the laugh. It's all about outside
validation and like really trying to look like she has
it together, and and seeing her get softer, seeing her
admit things. I mean, even her saying on that hot
(43:40):
chocolate walk and talk with Lucas, I'm not close with
my mom. It would be really cool if I hit
it off with yours. She is she wants her family, Yeah,
she just like she wants a safe place. She's never
felt safe. And and I think it's really interesting to
(44:00):
understand how, like you said, you know, people who don't
have a family unit can suffer a lot. People who
don't have a safe place, even with a chosen family,
can kind of suffer a lot. And and Brooke and
Peyton have been each other's chosen family, but they're just
two sixteen year olds, Like no one can be the
leader because they're both little girls. So that's a great point.
(44:24):
Where's the leader? We don't have one. We're just we're
a team. But like I don't know, we're out like
trolling around like feral cats. We don't know anything. We
needed like a cool like student government teacher, you know,
like a cool teacher, because I had cool teachers in
school that definitely would like wasn't it like a cool
(44:45):
kind of rock and roll vibe like like we needed
when we were all the kids at tree Hill High
to have the teacher slash guidance counselor that Hayley James
becomes later in the show. We never had. We never
had that. Yeah. Plus back then there was such a
big separation between the parents and the kids with fashion,
(45:08):
and it was like very clear who was like mom
like soccer moms, and then who were the kids tan pants?
But really it really created a big divide I think
between the adults and the kids. And I don't know
what your experiences, Ben Hill as a mom of um,
(45:30):
well preteen I guess almost, but um, there's less of
a divide, like there's much more of a I mean,
maybe I'm just a really cool mom. But you know,
it seems like there's less of a divide between the
parents and the kids. It seems like, I don't know,
and is that just my world? I think that we
(45:51):
hang out with our kids in a different way than
like our parents generation did. Yeah, you know, that's what
it is. It's there's we're the communicator. Um. But I
would say that when I was in school, the there
were a number of teachers who were really young, like
right out of college, so they weren't necessarily that much
older than us, and that made it really easy to
(46:12):
communicate with them. And so I wish that our girls
had had a woman in their twenties, you know that
that would have been good for us on set to
have somewhere a little bit older man, and and good
for us in the narrative because we were just floating.
They wouldn't have known how to write for them. Yeah,
all the boys got to have mentors. What the heck?
(46:34):
They had multiple mentors. It's actually really interesting too, thinking
about how intense the divide was. Even with our wardrobe.
Something just clicked for me where I'm like, oh, but
we were all twenty one three. You know, aside from
sweet Baby James, who was eighteen this this first season,
but you know, everyone playing our parents was only like
(46:57):
fifteen years older than us. They were actually old enough
to be our real parents. So I think they also
tried to age them up in dressing them more kind
of like parental conservative Khaki, Like they didn't want they
didn't want Deb to be the cool mom because then
(47:18):
everyone would know she wasn't that much older than us, right, true. Well,
Deb went through it this episode, Peyton and bro are
going through it. It's a big, big episode, and it
was I think this was our winter finale, So I
think this was the hiatus one that we come We
stopped like November, what you know or something, and then
(47:41):
come back January seven. These episodes that were airing in February.
Do you guys remember back in the first years of
our show, we would take March off because every week
in March was a rolling spring break and the network
had this obsession shin I guess or this some person
(48:02):
there was convinced that if we aired episodes over spring break,
the ratings would go down. Well that's so weird, So
they would take us off the air for all of
March and then we'd come back on you. I totally
forgot about that. It was so weird. That's so weird.
Well now you all can strain it. Now you can
watch it in like two days. Just watched Whatever you
(48:23):
want is our March hiatus, and it's we go out
on Lucas flat lining, flat lining scary as if the
surgery wasn't like a dramatic enough point, they were like,
we really got to go out on this button. By
the way, when he shows up and the and the
surgeon has to say, he takes one look at him
(48:44):
and he goes, he's going to need surgery. I'm like,
you haven't even examined it. You don't know. Maybe he's
just got a concussion. He might be fine. He's dramatic,
you guys, calmed down, he's going to need surgery. I
mean nothing against the actor, but he had to say
that line. All, Let's do him most likely to huh. Okay,
let's to it now now most likely to win Jeopardy. Okay,
(49:12):
So hold on, let's we have to find a character
in a real life person with mouth win Jeopardy. I
feel like mouth would win Jeopardy absolutely God, you nailed
that joy so quickly. I also weirdly feel like Lee
Norris would win Jeopardy. Yeah, actually that's don't. He'd really
be focused. He'd be in like a great suit with
a cool tie, and he'd just be going in on facts.
(49:37):
I see it fine, as long as they have LaVar
Burton hosting. I'm I'm all for leaving on Jeopardy, you
and me both. That's my dream petition. The more you
know that's it, folks, it has been a weird, meandering episode.
I'm glad you stuck with us through it because this
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(49:58):
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(50:21):
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we just watched episode thirteen, which my brain still trying
to process this episode because like, all sorts of weird
stuff happened and they didn't necessarily tie together so many levels. Yeah,
it's I feel like this was the episode where there
was all this stuff left over on the board in
the writer's room and they were like, Okay, well it's this.
It's the winter finale, We're about to go on hiatus.
(00:47):
Let's just throw all the rest of the stuff into one.
This is the day after Thanksgiving sandwich of episode The
crock Pots. The croc Pots episode It's Hanging by a moment.
It originally aired February tenth, two thousand four. Breakdown is
on their way to drive Karen home from the airport,
Keith and Lucas have a collision with an oncoming vehicle,
(01:10):
leaving Lucas unconscious and fighting for his life. I mean,
that's like the last two seconds of the episode, truly,
like so much other stuff happened. Yeah, so this description
can be a little bit misleading. Um, do we want
to go back to the beginning of the episode. I
really hope you guys are watching along with us because
I like to get into the minutia of this and
I feel like, if you haven't watched it recently, you
(01:31):
want to join. Yeah, yeah, tune in with us. So
how does this one start? Hold on, I gotta go
to my notes. I pulled up my notes, so we
really dive into Dan. We talked. There's a lot of
Camilla whitey Camilla stuff that probably was supposed to be
in the pilot and all that other stuff and never
worked in Well. The thing that's pretty crazy is in
the last episode, Lucas and Peyton had this moment and
(01:53):
Peyton says, ignore it. You know, it didn't mean anything.
He says it didn't. She says, of course it did,
but we're not doing this, And and this episode opens
up with everyone in the hallways walking between classes, and
when the bell rings in the hallway. Maybe is empty,
maybe it's not. Lucas just kisses Payton in public at school.
I have caught for what twenty years now for being
(02:17):
a bad friend to Brooke, And like, I guess because
I didn't really pay that much attention to the episodes.
Once they were all cut together, I just accepted it
and I'm like, yoh, yeah, Painting's the worst. She's a
bad guy. And now that I'm watching it and I
see how much Lucas is pursuing the situation, I feel vindicated.
I feel better about the situation. They're really switching places
(02:39):
Lucas and Nathan. Yeah, And I mean he even says
it near the end of the episode. It was the
first time that he ever said out loud that he
had started the whole thing by messing with Lucas, because
he had been saying to Haley this whole time, I'm
a good guy. I misunderstood blah blah blah. You know,
he was manipulating a lot of it and never admitted it.
So that was the first time he slipped and said,
(03:00):
you know, so that makes her feel like the whole
relationship is based on a lie. And I'm interested to
see where that goes well, And it's almost like now
that Nathan is finally showing up and stepping up and
being a good guy, it's it's almost like he's comfortable
talking about what a bad guy he used to be,
but it's the first time she's hearing it, and and
(03:21):
he he almost is proud of himself, like a really
good guy. And and it's isn't it ironic that now
Lucas is the bad guy and he doesn't even realize
that he has revealed what his first motivations were. It's
especially hard to stomach too, because Haley just had a
screaming match with Lucas about like what are you talking about?
(03:45):
You know? And he's yelling at her about the whole
Nathan relationship and she's like, this is apples to oranges, dude,
we are not in the same boat and defends Nathan.
So for him to turn around and be like, oh, yeah,
that guy's the worst man. This did start off as
a you know, as a joke. Um is painful. Lots
of revelation. It's probably payback for you leaven him on
(04:07):
the doorstep last episode with your Okay, okay, I'm glad
Hayley finally gave it to lucas somebody had to give
him a smack. That was so good, so good because
you said everything we've been talking about and feeling that
just the way he's behaving in this manipulation in the
two times. And then he goes into a full gaslighting
(04:30):
and tells you, you the honest friend who's told him
that you know, who's really been there and who's who's
been frank about her feelings and all of these things.
He says, you betrayed me. You And it's like, what,
it's so out of line? How many I mean, this
is a there's a level of it that's a normal
human reaction. Our pride goes up when we're in a fight.
(04:51):
We don't want to be wrong. We want to deflect
and put it off on somebody else. Okay, that's everybody
does that in some form or another. Um, there's another
level of it when it legitimate gas lighting and trying
to make the other person feel like they're crazy and
there's nothing wrong, which I think this borders on, Like
this is a little bit beyond just defensiveness. This is
a full turnaround of like let's not talk about me,
let's talk about you instead. And what I think is
(05:14):
wrong with you. Um, And I love that Haley just
didn't have it. She wasn't. She didn't get caught up.
I totally got caught up in those conversations in real
life relationships all the time, UM, when things we get
turned around on me. And I love that Hayley didn't.
She was just I love her. I love her, so
I did when I was younger. Well, honestly, like when
(05:37):
whenever Peyton was like kind of pursuing Haley as like
be my friend, to be my friend, be my friend,
it always felt like, Okay, well we've got we've got
brooken Lucas and the scene. So we have to find
a way to get these two other actors in another scene.
And so we're going to just smash them together and
we'll see what happens. Haley doing this kind of work
(05:58):
behind Peyton's back and like hauling Lucas out and saying
this is inappropriate and doing things that a good friend
would do without even then reporting back to Peyton for
a pat on the back. Like that's what real friendships about.
It's about doing the hard stuff and having those uncomfortable
moments for the benefit of someone you care about and
(06:18):
it's not like Hayley went and knocked on Peyton's door
and was like you kind of having hard you know. Um,
she took it to the person who's responsible because Peyton.
I feel like, and we said this we're watching, I
feel like Peyton would be okay to let this go,
like to just let Brooke and Lucas be a thing,
like we don't need to talk about it. I'm gonna
(06:40):
go paint in my bedroom and it's gonna be unfun,
but it's gonna be solitary. Yeah, he's the driving force
here and for his best friend to recognize that and
be like whoa whoa wa, Like you're driving this boat.
Let's dock it. Um. Yeah, Haley is a good friend.
(07:01):
Like it is totally I don't know, validating the Peytons,
like please hang out with me, Please hanging out me,
please sing out with me. It's like she knows innately,
this is the person that I can trust. I love
that we had a lot of Camilla with this one. Now,
(07:26):
for those of you who have been listening along, you
know that originally this series, uh started out with Whitey
as kind of the main voice over the whole thing,
and he had this wife that he would talk to
all the time, and then at the end of the
pilot you find out that she's not alive. She's I
(07:47):
don't know, I don't remember it was it an actual ghost,
like a woman who was there, but she know, an actress.
It felt like the Wonder Years kind of, you know,
like the narration in it definitely had like a Wonder
Years vibe, and so to lose that narration entirely, you know,
these scenes would take on a very different tone. If like,
(08:07):
while we're smashing faces in the library, you hear Barry
Corbyn's voice, like and then these kids Camilla, it turns
the sexy down a little bit, you know, totally when
it was nice to see a little bit of that
I I you know, even though it felt a bit
haphazard and kind of thrown together, I've still was really
glad to dive into Whitey's own so that he doesn't
(08:31):
just become a caricature of you know, a device of
a person. You know, he really um got to have
his own journey and we got to see his own
emotional experience of being a coach and why he cares
and uh, you know, things that he missed out on
with his wife and how that affects Nathan was really
(08:51):
cool too. How old did they think? Barry was like,
can we just talk about the picture of Camilla because
that's like a woman from the nineteen twenties world of one. Totally.
I'm looking at Barry, He's like, you know, in this
show and they've got a wife that's you know, she's
a flapper. Really funny. Actually, yeah, I don't know if
(09:15):
this was intended or not, but maybe because you know,
we were watching this in order, it kind of felt
like after that big crashing generational you know, dinner of
Nightmares in the last episode that Barry, you know that
coach Whitey was at, I felt like watching all those
families be destroyed by basketball. He was kind of in
(09:38):
this episode taking stock of how basketball became such an
obsession for him that in his mind, he lost out,
he wasted time with his wife, and I kind of
it was a little wobbly, but I saw an arc
there from from last episode to the mid season finale,
(10:00):
and I was like, oh, this is interesting that that
being witnessed to that is giving Whitey this moment where
he's being introspective and and he's letting Nathan in well,
and then you see dev leave Dan at the end
of the episode. It's another marriage ruined by what high
school basketball. High school basketball ruining everyone's life. So so
(10:22):
I do a charity back home with my high school,
we were a huge sports high school. We went to
states and football, like I would say that going like
that experience of cheering on the sidelines, so like the
state competition and like a college campus. It was like
the biggest deal ever. And we were in the Washington
Post every weekend and all our players went to college
and played and it was such a huge experience. Um.
(10:46):
And then three years ago, my my high school has
become a title in high school that doesn't have resources anymore.
You know, it's largely low income and kids that you know,
apply for three meals a day. Um. And so the
varsity football team didn't exist, like only like sixteen kids
came out because no one had pleats, no one had equipment,
(11:06):
no one good four camps. You know, there's a lot
that goes into it. And so we started this you know,
Project Patriot, where we supply resources so that kids can
do extracurricular activities. And just this last week, our high
school won its first home game in five years. Wow,
Oh my gosh, congratulations Patriots. I don't even know who
(11:28):
we were playing. It doesn't matter, you know, like it
it's been this really cool thing to work on together
with like old alumni. Shout out to Ashley Gawson and
Tony Kano. But because Tony listens to this, He's a
boy who listens to our drum queens. Hi, Hi, Tony.
So I can see the good side of high school sports.
(11:51):
I can see that camaraderie and that joy that it
brings to the community and the structure and the work ethic. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's like we made fun of the toxic parents
when we were in school, you know, like you could
tell who his dad was an asshole, and and so
I relish the chance in this show to get back
(12:14):
to like what that good stuff is because I know
we get there eventually with like the state championship and
stuff like that. But it seems like for these first
thirteen episodes, it's just been like bad, bad, bad drugs,
you know, drugs, fighting, you know, doing dumb stuff on
the court, tearing your family of heart, and that's not it.
Like high school sports can be awesome. Did you, Sophia,
(12:36):
did you have sports at the girls school? You're like
field hockey, like where girls do lacrosse. Now, we didn't
have that. I mean we had I know there. I
think there was a tennis team. I know we had
a soccer team. I don't know. I played volleyball in yeah,
and junior high. But then I started doing theater and
(12:58):
then I was like, see you, and I was just
doing doing plays and you know, teching shows and stuff.
I completely fell out of any of the world of
athletics once I started getting really into doing plays. So
it's funny because I don't. I don't. I didn't have
(13:18):
an experience of sports at our high school, and I
think that was actually part of when I was applying
to colleges. I really couldn't decide. I was like, do
I want to go to n y U or do
I want to go to USC. Oh my god, girl,
you went from zero to A and I was like,
I want to have that experience enjoy Like even when
(13:39):
you talk about Hailey, you know, trying to figure out
who she is, Like for me, it felt like trying
on a new costume. I was like, Okay, I did
the really academic uh nerdy all girls school theater kid
costume and now I'm going to go do the big
huge football games and paint our faces and like Queen World,
(14:03):
like that whole world was a costume, and like you know,
I was trying to figure out, like where on the
ends of these spectrums, where where do I fit? What's
my natural kind of post? And I really feel like
that took me until I was like thirty. You were
into sports, like I see it, Like any time we
had like like super Bowls and things like that, you
(14:25):
were kind of at the nexus of those get togethers.
I just love a Hey, I love any excuse to
throw a party. So if it's like I'm gonna host
the Thanksgiving party with like all our friends and family,
or if I'm gonna Super Bowl, to me, I'm like,
this is an excuse to watch really generally really creative commercials.
I'm like, I don't care so much about the game,
(14:45):
but you can get forty people in a house and
have good food. So I'm I'm I am a psychotic
soccer fan, Like I'm a person during the World Cup
will wake up at four am to watch the women's
national team play, Like I'm a lunatic about you're an
owner now right a soccer team? So crazy? I can't.
(15:07):
I keep looking around being like, who's grown up here?
And I realized it's me. That's fun so great, Joy
you you had to actually do some sports action in
this episode. Are you were you faking it? Can you
throw a ball? Yeah? No? I'm pretty athletic. I always
was when I was a kid. I I am not.
(15:29):
I had a harder time with team sports, just coordinating
with other people. And it was more of the mental
um mental agility with team sports because I was so
easily discouraged if I didn't get something right, and you know,
people would would be like come on, joy or whatever.
It crushed me. I was not. It wasn't easy for
(15:51):
me to bounce back from that. So I knew I
was really good at theater and so that was my
sport because that, like I didn't have to deal with
people telling me bad I was at it like team sports.
I mean my really only interaction with team sports. I
think I joined a soccer team for a minute, but
then I got to play and I was like, I'll
see you guys later, And then I think I did
(16:13):
like kickball and handball and hockey and jim at school,
and I felt comfortable with it. It was just that
I didn't know how to interact with other people on
a team with passing the ball or knowing all the
rules and everything. So I'm really good with like a
single person. I kickbox, I can do tennis really well.
I'm good at you know, I can play basketball like
(16:35):
one on one or whatever. But team sports were just
hard for me. Um. Yeah, So as the oldest kid,
you know, I to have to watch my brothers growing up,
and so I was always like, oh my god, you won,
Like I'm so groomed to let the other person win, right.
That's funny when I think that's why I liked watching sports,
(16:56):
because it was almost like, I don't know, voyeurism. It's like,
oh my god, look at those people who want this
so bad. That's so crazy. You. I don't even remember
shooting this though. The free throw stuff. Uh. There. There
was that that one scene on the court when Nathan
(17:16):
comes out and he's trying to teach me, not at
his house but out on the river court, and we
were frozen. You can tell because what we're both talking
at our lips in your face doesn't know exactly we're
out there. So you couldn't lift your arms because I
was in twelve layers. So what you wear like silks
on the bottom layer, right, So silks are which they
(17:39):
don't make anymore. Now if you ask someone for silks,
they're like, what did you know this? Yes, I've because
I've been shooting in Canadas so much then i've it's
gotten to a point now where okay, so silks used
to be made from silk, which was uh in a
particular type of like elastic silk that was a thermal
layer under your clothes so even in in the cold,
(18:00):
it would really trap in the heat very well. But
I guess, um there's like a silkworm shortage or something,
so it's really hard to find. You have to find
like vintage silk. So now they have which accomplished the
same job a little bit less. Well, well, look, I'm
going to start a silkworm farm up in mr Farm.
(18:22):
Now the joy is pointed out the void I had
a lot of layers on. It was that and then
the you know, whatever goes over it, and then the
T shirt and then the long sleeve T shirt and
then the um quarter scarf. And quarter. Oh yeah, let's
talk about layers. Sophia has tripled down on the unsexy.
Watch me a turtleneck and I'm gonna wear a scarf
(18:47):
over said turtleneck. Tigger scarf? Oh my god, are you
doing the way the post song killed me while we
watched this episode? Um yeah that. You know, there's something
so funny about it because I look so goofy in
that little outfit. And it's it's so sweet because this
(19:07):
guirl just is leaning in and telling her best friend
she's falling for this boy, and and starting to tell
this boy about how she feels. It's like that scene
where Brooke and Lucas go for the walk in sud
scarf when they have hot chocolates, Like, she can't even
keep it in, you know, it's falling out of her mouth.
And then she diverts and says she's talking about Karen
(19:29):
and Keith, and it's just, oh, it's heartbreaking. If Brooke
is the real life Tigger of this show and Payton
is clearly the ere, what is Haley Haley? I don't know,
it's Haley pooh or Piglet, probably Piglet, yeah that or
the rabbit you're the rabbit. That's like, you guys are
(19:50):
so stupid, you're making a fret. I forgot about the rabbit.
So that's actually perfect, so perfect. No Pooh, who's walking
around like an old dummy? Who's the Pooh? Is it? Keith?
He's so to drink he goes. He's so sweet. I mean,
(20:12):
what an episode for Keith, you know, reminding us that
Karen kissed him at the airport and he said it
wasn't just a friendly goodbye kiss, it was a kiss kiss.
And and you know, Karen's been gone at cooking school
in Italy for six weeks because Moira was off having
a baby, and she's finally coming back and he can't
wait to kiss her again, and it's taking Lucas and
(20:35):
and he has this whole conversation with Lucas about no
matter what happens in you know, Keith and Karen's relationship
will always be there for him. And they exchange I
love yous and it's so sweet. And Keith gets distracted
by Dan, who he's just had this terrible interaction with,
and he does that thing which I think we've all
(20:55):
I mean, how close have you come to doing that
when you're out of light and it turns green in
and you're like, oh no, my my left arrow is red.
I don't go, but you start to and then you
stop all the time and it's that moment where you
really go, oh god, it could have been me. But
the question was how many drinks did he have that
you don't know? I mean, I guess we'll find out
(21:18):
when we come back. We saw one beer. But but
if he's it's three hours out and he's having a
beer three hours before he goes together more the story,
kids don't do that. Drink and drive. Just don't drink
and drive. It's not worth it. Yeah, And I'm pretty
cool for Dan to be there and and you know,
(21:41):
being there to rip the door off the car and
pull Lucas out and have to say, because it's a
life of death situation, he's my son. Um. That was
a pretty selfless moment, even if you could call the
heroics of pulling him out of the car selfish, because
on some level I'm sure that made Dan feel great. Um,
(22:02):
but being in the hospital, he didn't gain anything by
saying I'm his father. There's also something so interesting to
me about how a catastrophic event can immediately make you
drop all your bs, all your nonsense, everything that you've
been storing up and thinking, and you realize none of
it's real. All it's important are the people who you
(22:25):
care about. And it's like in that moment when those
when when Keith and Lucas get hit, Dan sees it
and none of the other nonsense that people fight about
matters anymore. He he's there, he's present, and it it
felt like a sort of singularity point for his character
(22:46):
and he had to drop all the pretense and just
tell the truth. And that was wild. Well, and you
said what you just said, the people you care about.
And up until this point Dan has been adamant I
don't care about Lucas, I don't care about Keith. And
Deb's just like caught him with beach Horror. When we
(23:10):
heard the term beach horror used in this episode, we
all gasped and we're like, that's our next pilot, Like
that's the beaches. Um, beach Hore had a great episode. Um,
but Deb just gave Dan like a look that is
heartbreaking and so beyond anger. Was like, fine, this is
(23:35):
it was? And it was also everything I saw in
her look was I knew I know you're an ass.
I know you're stubborn and you're selfish, and you broke
in and you have all these problems I have. I've
known it's difficult. I'm working through it. But I didn't
know you were a cheater. And that's what like shuts
(23:57):
everything down for her, Like I was willing to put
up with so much, but this, no, this is black
and white. You know, this is clear cut. And so
I wonder if that total like being alone situation is
what put Dan in the headspace to show up for
(24:17):
It's like, well, I don't have anybody else, Like I
don't know my son, I don't have my wife, Like
my son wanted to hang out his girlfriend, you know,
like these fringe relatives are the only people that he
has left. And then what else happened? I mean, I'm
still stuck on beach Horse. That's the most exciting for me. Honestly,
I made two notes this whole episode because I was
(24:38):
so just like watching it and it's Haley yelling at
Lucas and beach Horse. Those are my tuna. I love that. Actually,
let's talk about music, though, because this episode had two
songs that I super loved, Tegan and Sarah song Don't Confess,
Don't Confess y'all. I used to drive around in my
car listening to that Tegan and Sarah album on repeat,
(25:00):
just weeping, and every time I every time I hear
it now I think of like the live oak trees
with the moss hanging down on Market Street and Will
just driving up and down that strip listening to that
whole album, the on the nose of it all with
the don't Confess. Oh, but it was so good, especially
(25:21):
because Brooks having this moment and she's like, I want
to remember this forever, and it's it was so well shot.
Whoever directed this having you look at the stereo so
that you could say, don't confess, and both of our
faces were on camera and your face was turned away
from Chef's kiss beautiful. It also was a sign from
(25:43):
the universe. I believe in signs from the universe constantly.
Have you ever had a sign from the universe in
real life where you're like, oh, I shouldn't tell my
best friend that I'm kissing everybody convenience? Also the genius
of Peyton going to Haley and then Haley saying it's
(26:04):
not like Lucas was dating Nathan, God, do you think
that Haley knows what she's saying? Not in that moment? No,
I don't think so. Haley is the smartest character, do
you know what I mean? Now, I would have read
it differently. I think the way that I chose to
play it was just distracted and oblivious. But I think
(26:26):
now in context, I definitely think them A more interesting
choice would have been for her to say it that way,
and I wish I would have. I thought it was
a loving way for Haley to get that point across
of like you don't you don't want us like being
your friend, and I'm going to say it in a
way that is gentle for you. That's much more interesting.
(26:47):
I wish I would have made that choice. That's how
I took it. I have to say I kind of
saw it in the middle. I felt like, when you
said what's this about? Or what's going on? Whatever you
say to Peyton, and then Hillary your responses, oh, it's
a friend of a friend's stuff. I felt like Haley
was like, what's going on? And then you're like, no, no,
(27:09):
it's not about me. I just you know, I need
help to advise someone else. And then I almost felt
like you kind of got lost in telling your own
story and then you crack a joke in this way
that was sort of irreverence and that that lands so
hard for me as an audience member. I saw that
like sucker punch. Peyton and Hayley was just like, I'm
(27:30):
giving great advice in this moment, and I was like,
oh God, everything is bad everywhere. Everything is bad everywhere.
At a certain point, I need to like somebody get
their knee off my neck, you know, just because it
feels like every episode. I think that's the that's the
title of the of our podcast episode today, Everything is
bad everywhere? Do you guys also clocked that Shin song too.
(27:52):
I had to look it up again because I love
that song. Oh remember over the ramparts you tossed the
scent of your skin and some foreign flowers? Do you
remember this? Tied to a brick? Sweet as a song.
The years have been short, but the days were long,
you know this song? It was like good right huge
in two thousand four, I mean, the Shins were major,
(28:15):
major friend of mine. A baby onesie with the Shin's
album art on when they had a kid like God, Yeah,
they were happening we were getting like bigger and bigger
bands on our show. We were okay, hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
(28:36):
we are going to have a Milo vent Amelia on
the podcast today and we are dropping the episode immediately.
We are very excited to have him. He's a he's
an old and dear friend, and he gave us. He
gave us some time, which is he doesn't have any time,
but he gave us some time, and we really really
really appreciate it. So we're gonna do this interview with Milo, uh,
(28:58):
and we're gonna drop it immediately as soon as we
can get it all cobbled together. This cracked team I
have and we're just very very excited about it. So anyway,
listen to my podcast I Am All In right now
on I Heart Radio, app, Apple podcast and everywhere you
listen to podcasts. All right, you want to do a
fan question? Um, yeah, let's do a fan question. Nicole
(29:21):
is asking about the filming locations. She wants to know
was the show filmed in actual houses or built sets? Yes,
let's talk about that. Both Hayley's bedroom set, Hayley's house,
exterior house, neighborhood house. I think all of our homes.
The exteriors were actual homes, and all the interiors were well,
(29:44):
I well know, Nathan's house we were on We were
in there, Nathan's house, We were inside that those people's houses.
Peyton's bedroom was on set because we spent so much
time there, but the entire downstairs and obviously like the
exterior of the house were a real house that was
right across the street from Hayley's house, which is not
something you know, people who go on the tour and
(30:05):
want me to know that. But we were the girls
from the rough side of the tracks, um, which I
think they should have played that up more. You know,
I think that would have been really cool because what
we liked in the last episode as you turn around
at Peyton's house and you see the house across the
street and there's like weeds up to the second story.
You know, like nobody tried to make it look posh
(30:28):
or pretty. Woul might have been cool if like Haley
and Peyton actually were like on the same street and
kind of always saw each other and ignored each other
or whatever, and started to well, did you have people
like that in real life growing up? Because I definitely did. Yeah,
for sure. I mean, I remember singing a song to
our German shepherd in the backyard and like looking up
(30:49):
and seeing all like the hot middle school dudes walk
by and being like, oh, but yeah, proximity was our
built in with our locations. I don't know why we
never played that Lucas's house was this was a house
to the downstairs. His bedroom was on stage. What about
(31:11):
how much of Brooks. Oh, we didn't see Brooks House.
I was like, Felix, we don't see Brooks house. Gosh,
until we get later into the season there's a big
scandal and you go into Brooks bedroom for the first time,
but there's no house. I don't think Brooke got a
house until season two. But saying the exterior um was
(31:33):
a real place, and then we would use some of
the downstairs rooms, but then my bedroom was always on
the side. Anywhere that we were going to be with
any regularity, aside from the big Dan Scott house, they
would build on stage because it was just too hard
to deal with when you could be in the houses,
(31:54):
you know, getting the folks who lived there out in
comfortable and such a process. Yeah, it's really hectic for people.
So so they liked building sets so that we could
kind of make our own schedules. Well, so for Peyton's house,
in the midst of our shooting, the house sold right
so there was no guarantee that they were going to
(32:16):
let us keep filming there. And the young family that
moved in was John Jeremiah Sullivan, who is a really
accomplished writer. He's a writer for g Q and I
think form like Rolling Stone, a bunch of books. Um
cool guy, and so I ended up kind of making
friends with them, and I stayed in touch with him
and his family. Their daughter was born, like like, they
(32:40):
moved in when his wife was pregnant. Their daughter was
born right after we, you know, signed our agreement with them,
and they were like, oh, we get to go stay
in the river View Sweets for a couple of days
here and there and make some money and it pays
our mortgage. What they didn't realize is that, like our
set dressing wallpapered the house the way we wanted it,
not the way they wanted it. But they only went
halfway up this airs. So for like years they had
(33:02):
to live with the halfway wallpaper, which doesn't sound bad
at first, and then you're like six months into your
house and you're like, I'm kind of um, he wrote
an article about it. I was gonna ask I remember
that article kind of broke my heart. I really felt
for them. It was a painful situation. And so as
their daughter got older, she grew up with people in
(33:23):
their front yard and on their steps. And then when
she was old enough to watch this television show that
you know, she's she might be in college now or
either she's like in late high school or college now. Um,
she watches the show and in the later seasons when
we get to the Psycho Deeric stuff in the basement
for her to watch all of that, like trauma happened
(33:43):
and what's supposed to be her house was so weird,
so weird. So for any of you who go through
Wilmington's and like go buy the houses and stuff, these
are real people and they're lovely, Like please be so
so so nice to them. You should leave like flowers
and you know, press it's on their doorstep because they've
been Yeah, it does. It does also feel worth repeating.
(34:09):
I I I love and I know we all love that.
Our show means as much to all of you guys
as it does. It means a lot to us. But Hillary,
you just said the most perfect thing. These are real
people I get like the tours and wanting to take photos.
Please do it from the sidewalk. Please don't just like
(34:29):
walk onto people's front porches and lean on their front doors.
And like I've seen, I've seen some people who obviously
means so well, but you know, who are kind of
climbing all over these homes. And and when when the
writer you're referring to wrote this piece, he talked about
how terrifying it would be for his little girl to
(34:50):
just have like strangers peeking in the front windows and
outside her front door. Did they try and sell the
house and then couldn't because it was a TV show houses?
That what happened. That's what happened to the people who
own Lucas and Karen's. Oh that's right, they couldn't sell
the house because there's always people climbing all over it.
So I think it would be really loving if we
(35:10):
as a community, as this great big one Tree Hill
family could kind of try to set a boundary and say,
if you're going to go visit the homes, take pictures
from the sidewalk. If you happen to meet the person
who lives there, and and they say, oh today, you're
welcome to whatever. Take their lead, but just don't like,
don't go climb on people's porches, and you know, by
(35:34):
just treat loving and remember that, like if you were
in your house and suddenly, oh my god, peeking in
your front window, you'd probably be pretty freaked out. So
so let's let's all lovingly. Yeah. I mean, people are
really lucky they didn't get shot because it's it's a
south And also, like, soody's walking on my property, I
(35:55):
gotta be begun. If you're looking at my window, believe me,
I'm shooting your eye out. Started. You can't go to
someone's house without bringing a trinket or a casserole or
like a thing. And so I don't know, maybe we
need to have a toll, you know, like either you
need to bring a bouquet of flowers or some seashells
(36:17):
or some candles, bottle of champagne. Something we should ask.
We should ask the people who live in each house
what their favorite thing is, and then we'll publish a
guide of like you have to pay to go. We're
gonna do a told just just for energetic niceness because
because truly, these families they have put up with God
(36:39):
so much over the years, and they are so kind.
And I think that, you know, Jeremiah being so honest
about the stuff that so many people probably never considered,
really opened my eyes and our eyes and anyway, loving boundaries,
everyone loving you? Or what's the next question? Okay? Um,
(36:59):
what was something your characters went through or did that
made you see your character in a new light and
maybe even had a new admiration for um? Should we
just stick to what we've seen so far in the
in the first twelve that's smart? Yeah, go Joy? Well,
I think what what I've been noticing? Um, As I
just said, I love Haley so much more now than
(37:21):
I did back then. I think she was just all
the character of her was all tangled up with my
young confusion of what who I wanted to be and
what I wanted life to be, and how I wanted
to play the character and what I thought was uh
important to portray all those kinds of things like responsibilities
to younger women and all that stuff. So now looking
(37:43):
back at Haley, I love that she was just so
ballsy and brave, and um, I think I always felt
I always felt really insecure, and then sometimes I would
overcompensate that by being really stubborn because I didn't know
who I could trust. So I just felt like, oh,
I can't trust anybody, so I just I'm going to
(38:04):
dig my heels in um. And So what I love
about watching Haley now is that somehow I managed to
let my insecurities go to be her and and I
just love how brave she was and um willing to
contribute to the conversation and confident in her own skin
and all the things that all the best parts of
(38:25):
her make me really proud of her. Haley is so
incredibly likable, and everyone's being loathsome in different ways, and
Haley is just like the voice of integrity. Yeah, and
it's also really I have to say, it's so fun
for me to watch. I mean, to watch all of
this with the two of you is such a dream.
(38:47):
So thanks again to the fans for tuning in. But
but like I don't know, I remember at the time
how hard it was. Is just like twenty one year
old girls as our characters, as Brooke and Peyton were,
you know, on either end of this big secret and
this big betrayal. In this love triangle, people were really
(39:08):
mean to me into Hillary kind of in defense of
each other's characters, and it was really are, well, yeah,
but now now we're we're grown ladies and we don't
give it. But at the time, I was really like
I didn't know what to do about it. And now
I'm like, you know, that's cute that you think you
could love her more than I do. L O l um.
(39:31):
But it's actually really cool because I realized how insecure
and and kind of like bullied I felt as a
young girl doing this show. Now, like I don't know,
I was so in the brook and Peyton of it all.
I'm I'm loving watching Haley. I'm like, dude, I forgot,
(39:53):
Like there's just things I forgot, and to see her
be so true blue have such a clear sense of
right and wrong. I think for so long, especially young women,
we get encouraged to be like, yeah, but what was
he feeling? You know, why do you think he might
have done that bad thing? And yeah, there was a
there was a lot of like justify for love nonsense,
(40:15):
and Haley was like, we're not justifying anything, And so
now I'm watching her just being like this is the
friend we all deserved. Yeah, she's handling. And now the
question is specifically did the characters go through something. I mean,
like I said, again, it's just watching the progression of
all the circumstances that are happening and seeing how, you know,
(40:35):
we're handling everything. But I think just Haley blossoming in
this relationship with Nathan and being more comfortable in her
own skin and discovering who she is and what she likes,
and it's really fun to watch. What about you guys, Well,
I just want to say it makes sense that the
one with the parents and like the family unit is
the one who is navigating the best. Yeah, yeah, it
(40:59):
does yea. I UM. I have struggled with Peyton for
a long time because you know, she was vilified and
I didn't really pay attention to why and it was
just like fine, you know whatever. Um. And there have
been some really sweet kids who listened to the not
kids were all like older now, um, but people who
(41:21):
listen to our podcast and who come online and they're
like just so, you know, like I liked you, so
thank you for that. That's really nice. But seeing a
girl who should probably be in therapy, seeing a girl
who should have an aunt or an uncle or a
grandparent or anybody check in on her, and doesn't watching
(41:45):
her get manipulated by a boy. I never thought to
characterize the relationship that way, because it does end up
becoming the happy ending by the time I left the show, right,
But I think it's a important to acknowledge that when
we're kids and we're sorting out how to have relationships,
and maybe we haven't necessarily had examples of that, there
(42:07):
are going to be mistakes and Lucas is making major
mistakes here. Peyton's paying for it. Brooks going to end
up paying for it. Um. But it never occurred to
me before that it wasn't Peyton's fault. I think I assumed,
like I say, I assumed, but I think Peyton assumed
ownership of the chaos, certainly for me for like eighteen years.
(42:29):
And so to watch it now as an adult, like,
I'm watching it as a third person. It's not me,
you know, the character or the actress. I'm a totally
different human now and I can watch it and be like, oh, bunny,
funny a person you know you need an older lady
to brush your hair and say, oh no, no, no,
(42:51):
So that's I mean, that's the thing that watching back
for me, I just feel this kind of relief of like, oh,
it wasn't her fault. That's yeah, that's a relief. Well
you yeah, I love that. It's interesting, you know. I
I have liked in these first thirteen episodes seeing Brooke
(43:16):
put the defense down, the like how hard she pushes
to be like charming or sexy or say the thing
that's going to get the laugh. It's all about outside
validation and like really trying to look like she has
it together, and and seeing her get softer, seeing her
admit things. I mean, even her saying on that hot
(43:40):
chocolate walk and talk with Lucas, I'm not close with
my mom. It would be really cool if I hit
it off with yours. She is she wants her family, Yeah,
she just like she wants a safe place. She's never
felt safe. And and I think it's really interesting to
(44:00):
understand how, like you said, you know, people who don't
have a family unit can suffer a lot. People who
don't have a safe place, even with a chosen family,
can kind of suffer a lot. And and Brooke and
Peyton have been each other's chosen family, but they're just
two sixteen year olds, Like no one can be the
leader because they're both little girls. So that's a great point.
(44:24):
Where's the leader? We don't have one. We're just we're
a team. But like I don't know, we're out like
trolling around like feral cats. We don't know anything. We
needed like a cool like student government teacher, you know,
like a cool teacher, because I had cool teachers in
school that definitely would like wasn't it like a cool
(44:45):
kind of rock and roll vibe like like we needed
when we were all the kids at tree Hill High
to have the teacher slash guidance counselor that Hayley James
becomes later in the show. We never had. We never
had that. Yeah. Plus back then there was such a
big separation between the parents and the kids with fashion,
(45:08):
and it was like very clear who was like mom
like soccer moms, and then who were the kids tan pants?
But really it really created a big divide I think
between the adults and the kids. And I don't know
what your experiences, Ben Hill as a mom of um,
(45:30):
well preteen I guess almost, but um, there's less of
a divide, like there's much more of a I mean,
maybe I'm just a really cool mom. But you know,
it seems like there's less of a divide between the
parents and the kids. It seems like, I don't know,
and is that just my world? I think that we
(45:51):
hang out with our kids in a different way than
like our parents generation did. Yeah, you know, that's what
it is. It's there's we're the communicator. Um. But I
would say that when I was in school, the there
were a number of teachers who were really young, like
right out of college, so they weren't necessarily that much
older than us, and that made it really easy to
(46:12):
communicate with them. And so I wish that our girls
had had a woman in their twenties, you know that
that would have been good for us on set to
have somewhere a little bit older man, and and good
for us in the narrative because we were just floating.
They wouldn't have known how to write for them. Yeah,
all the boys got to have mentors. What the heck?
(46:34):
They had multiple mentors. It's actually really interesting too, thinking
about how intense the divide was. Even with our wardrobe.
Something just clicked for me where I'm like, oh, but
we were all twenty one three. You know, aside from
sweet Baby James, who was eighteen this this first season,
but you know, everyone playing our parents was only like
(46:57):
fifteen years older than us. They were actually old enough
to be our real parents. So I think they also
tried to age them up in dressing them more kind
of like parental conservative Khaki, Like they didn't want they
didn't want Deb to be the cool mom because then
(47:18):
everyone would know she wasn't that much older than us, right, true. Well,
Deb went through it this episode, Peyton and bro are
going through it. It's a big, big episode, and it
was I think this was our winter finale, So I
think this was the hiatus one that we come We
stopped like November, what you know or something, and then
(47:41):
come back January seven. These episodes that were airing in February.
Do you guys remember back in the first years of
our show, we would take March off because every week
in March was a rolling spring break and the network
had this obsession shin I guess or this some person
(48:02):
there was convinced that if we aired episodes over spring break,
the ratings would go down. Well that's so weird, So
they would take us off the air for all of
March and then we'd come back on you. I totally
forgot about that. It was so weird. That's so weird.
Well now you all can strain it. Now you can
watch it in like two days. Just watched Whatever you
(48:23):
want is our March hiatus, and it's we go out
on Lucas flat lining, flat lining scary as if the
surgery wasn't like a dramatic enough point, they were like,
we really got to go out on this button. By
the way, when he shows up and the and the
surgeon has to say, he takes one look at him
(48:44):
and he goes, he's going to need surgery. I'm like,
you haven't even examined it. You don't know. Maybe he's
just got a concussion. He might be fine. He's dramatic,
you guys, calmed down, he's going to need surgery. I
mean nothing against the actor, but he had to say
that line. All, Let's do him most likely to huh. Okay,
let's to it now now most likely to win Jeopardy. Okay,
(49:12):
So hold on, let's we have to find a character
in a real life person with mouth win Jeopardy. I
feel like mouth would win Jeopardy absolutely God, you nailed
that joy so quickly. I also weirdly feel like Lee
Norris would win Jeopardy. Yeah, actually that's don't. He'd really
be focused. He'd be in like a great suit with
a cool tie, and he'd just be going in on facts.
(49:37):
I see it fine, as long as they have LaVar
Burton hosting. I'm I'm all for leaving on Jeopardy, you
and me both. That's my dream petition. The more you
know that's it, folks, it has been a weird, meandering episode.
I'm glad you stuck with us through it because this
was a grab bag of all sorts of emotional car
(49:58):
accidents to beach awesome. Stick around and uh and next
week we'll have more fun for you. And if you
haven't bought your tickets for our live event day, bring
it on. We're gonna have a blast and I'm probably
gonna wear something inappropriate. Hey where that silver bikini from
the Entertainment Weekly photo shoot? Girl, I'm someone's mother. Calm down,
(50:21):
beach hoars, beach hoars, I like it? Should we all
wear turtle necks and silver bikini boys just to really
convince confuse people. Yeah, that's our uniforms. Well, we love
you guys. Thank you. We'll see you next time. I
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